[00:00:12] <MZMcBride>	you should be able to export them individually or as a list
[00:00:51] <Duesentrieb>	[ace]an[9el]: if you want them all, you will have to use the command line improt/export tools
[00:01:14] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. dumpBackup.php and importDump.php, or mwdumper
[00:03:36] <BrokenArrow>	Duesentrieb: are the default messages exported too, now that they aren't inizialized any more in the MW namespace?
[00:03:53] <Duesentrieb>	BrokenArrow: probably not
[00:03:57] <Duesentrieb>	(i would call that a feature)
[00:04:18] <BrokenArrow>	(of course, but it depends what [ace]an[9el] needs)
[00:11:14] <candeias>	Folks, are there any special restrictions on mediawiki updates if one makes a big leap from verion 1.6.9 to 1.11?
[00:11:48] <candeias>	maning: can I do it right away, or should I install 1.7, 1.8 etc. first?
[00:12:09] <BrokenArrow>	candeias: no big schema changes, the updater should cope. backup first
[00:12:25] <Duesentrieb>	!
[00:12:50] <candeias>	allright. Thanks (backing up as we speak; downloading the DB)
[00:12:57] <Charitwo>	can someone explain why this would happen? http://prishels.net/buttonsgone.png
[00:13:03] <Duesentrieb>	beware charset issues with mysqldump
[00:13:09] <Duesentrieb>	make an xml dump for good measure
[00:13:13] <Duesentrieb>	!backup
[00:13:13] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[00:13:16] <BrokenArrow>	Duesentrieb: feel free to disagree with me anytime )
[00:13:42] <Duesentrieb>	naw, it should work
[00:14:03] <BrokenArrow>	Charitwo: deleted buttons, timeout, adblocked?
[00:14:15] <StinkyWinky>	Hello! can anyone tell me how I can get a snapshot of wikipedia with images? The download page says that they're not available anymore
[00:14:25] <Charitwo>	nah, it's been that way for a couple days, definitely not adblocked
[00:15:36] <Duesentrieb>	StinkyWinky: the problem is that downloading ~90GB simply doesn't work.
[00:15:48] <candeias>	are those charset issues also relevant when using phpmyadmin?
[00:15:58] <Duesentrieb>	candeias: even more so, yes
[00:16:15] <Duesentrieb>	(two more layers to indtroduce confusion)
[00:16:27] <StinkyWinky>	Duesentrieb why not? Ive just downloaded 70GB worth of simpsons episodes :o)
[00:16:39] <Duesentrieb>	with http?
[00:16:43] <Duesentrieb>	a torrent might work
[00:17:23] <StinkyWinky>	Duesentrieb, the snapshots page says that images arent even available through torrent now.
[00:17:24] <Duesentrieb>	there are also licensing issues with image dumps - the images can't really be distributed without the accompanying license info.
[00:17:31] <Duesentrieb>	and the huge dumps cause technical issues. 
[00:17:39] <Duesentrieb>	i dunno - there simply arn't any atm.
[00:17:59] <Duesentrieb>	StinkyWinky: afaik, there are no official torrents at all
[00:18:07] <Duesentrieb>	or are there now?
[00:18:36] <StinkyWinky>	duesentrieb, is there another way to get a snapshot of the images? like using a crawler (set to wikipedias listed limits) for just the images?
[00:19:08] <BrokenArrow>	Duesentrieb: on #wikitech-l there's been some discussino lately - nothing WMF-endorsed, I think, but you should get some leads from there if you need to
[00:19:30] <[ace]an[9el]>	Duesentrieb: thanks I'll try that
[00:20:06] <Duesentrieb>	StinkyWinky: no good way, no. the best i can think of is using a local cache: load once, on demand, then cache locally.
[00:20:07] <BrokenArrow>	(ehr, mailing list, obviously, not channel): http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/
[00:20:44] <Duesentrieb>	BrokenArrow: there has been discussion about  this every coupld of months for the last two years, i think :)
[00:34:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) E-mail should have more available options - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11835  (10robchur)
[01:50:18] <Vagabond_>	hey, i came here earlier for some help which i figured out, but now after installing mediawiki it's not generating localsettings.php
[01:50:43] <Vagabond_>	any ideas?
[01:54:05] <Dr_DBW>	Anyone here familar with how the wiki pages are processed?  I have a question about handling of templates and not sure if it is meant to be done in that manner or not.  Details in my next lines ....
[01:54:35] <Dr_DBW>	Problem is on a normal wiki page, if there is two lines following each other, they are processed and showed as a single paragraph.
[01:54:58] <Dr_DBW>	But with a template, that seems to fall down, not within the template, but after the template has been inserted.
[01:55:34] <Dr_DBW>	Let say have a template that has "this is some template text, followed by some noinclude stuff
[01:55:51] <Dr_DBW>	<noinclude>[[Category:something]]</noinclude>
[01:55:53] <Dr_DBW>	"
[01:56:24] <Dr_DBW>	I would then expect if you inserted that template within a page, there would not be a blank line / paragraph spaced placed after it.  But it does.
[01:56:44] <Dr_DBW>	Is it meant to do that?  Or is it not osmething that has been consdiered?
[01:58:49] <Simetrical>	You need to make sure there are no blank lines at the beginning or end of the template, generally.
[02:01:05] <Dr_DBW>	Yes, did make sure of that.  There are no blank lines at the start, between the text and the noinclude tags.
[02:01:38] <Simetrical>	So it goes like "this is some text<noinclude>[[Category:something]]</noinclude>"?  Or with an extra line break there?
[02:01:52] <Simetrical>	Line breaks immediately before things like <noinclude> will be honored.
[02:01:57] <Simetrical>	After, too.
[02:02:04] <Dr_DBW>	Ahh, OK, that is what I was checking.
[02:02:12] <Simetrical>	If you don't want the line break included, it needs to be inside <noinclude> as well.
[02:02:22] <Dr_DBW>	Yes, I have the noinclude on a new line, makes it easier to read the template page text when editing./
[02:02:37] <Simetrical>	Oh well.  :)
[02:02:43] <Dr_DBW>	Ahh, OK, that is a good solution.
[02:02:48] <Dr_DBW>	Thanks Sim, much appreciated.
[02:05:39] <Dr_DBW>	Wohooo
[02:05:43] <Dr_DBW>	That does the job :-)
[02:06:00] <Dr_DBW>	And doesn't mess the template up too much.
[04:08:04] <davidmccabe>	TimStarling: I'm about to commit my EditPage patch; this isn't a bad time is it?
[04:08:20] <TimStarling>	no, go ahead
[04:08:44] <davidmccabe>	cool, thanks.
[04:08:56] <CIA-36>	03david * r27091 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Split mTitle into uiTitle and dbTitle; this is explained at the top of EditPage.php.
[04:54:48] <jamie_hari>	Question: Is Special:Mypage parsed before ?example= url params are?
[04:55:18] <jamie_hari>	Is that the reason example.com?title=Special:Mypage?action=edit doesn't work...
[04:58:06] <jamie_hari>	(&action=edit)
[04:59:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Mypage in URL doesn't allow other URL params - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11566  (10webmaster)
[06:05:29] <sakthi>	Good Days I was Installing mediawiki on the RHEL machine using YUM and i just unable to do 
[06:06:22] <sakthi>	Can some one please help me when i say yum install "*mediawiki*" it says nothing to do I am sorry i should have said that i was a windows person and now i am anti windows and all that i love is centos
[06:07:12] <sakthi>	Dave2: are you there ?
[06:09:26] <dpy>	hi guys
[06:09:46] <sakthi>	dpy: can you please help me
[06:09:58] <dpy>	depends
[06:10:22] <dpy>	I know more about the mediawiki code than about its usage or administration
[06:10:31] <sakthi>	I need to install Mediawiki on RHEL
[06:10:34] <sakthi>	or centos
[06:10:59] <dpy>	so?
[06:11:05] <sakthi>	i am more a windows person and i am trying to use yum install mediawiki
[06:11:14] <sakthi>	it comes up with nothing to do 
[06:11:35] <sakthi>	is there a instruction or something like that i can follow please
[06:11:54] <sakthi>	the one on media wiki website is too old
[06:12:09] <dpy>	sakthi: I think you should first familiarize with linux and your particular distribution.
[06:12:57] <dpy>	sakthi: once you get the hang of it, installation is fairly straightforward.
[06:13:14] <sakthi>	My boss is asking me to do it today 
[06:13:21] <dpy>	ah
[06:13:24] <dpy>	the boss
[06:13:25] <sakthi>	I am fairly familiar with redhat 
[06:13:33] <dpy>	what he meant was: he wants it yesterday
[06:14:20] <sakthi>	Well he wants it going for tomorrow 
[06:14:26] <sakthi>	up and going i mean
[06:14:53] <sakthi>	So i have 3 hours to work on this + i also have to install OTRS
[06:18:42] <dpy>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation <-- looks okay
[06:18:59] <sakthi>	nope it doesn't 
[06:20:12] <jamie_hari>	http://wikihr.net/MediaWiki
[06:20:48] <jamie_hari>	Unless you have a specific question/problem, no one here will hold your hand through and install
[06:21:49] <dpy>	yes, I think this is a case of, I don't want to do it, do it for me please.
[06:22:27] <jamie_hari>	lol
[06:24:05] <dpy>	heh cool, that wikihr.net
[06:24:42] <jamie_hari>	yeah, I heard about it on wikitech-l
[06:26:26] <dpy>	but if sakthi's job for today is to set up mediawiki (easy enough), and he doesn't want to do it, then he'd better find another job, I guess...
[06:27:42] <Werdna>	I can help, of course.
[06:28:05] <dpy>	Werdna: is your name on the list?
[06:28:19] <Werdna>	on the dev list
[06:28:39] <dpy>	ah
[06:28:40] <dpy>	andrew
[06:28:44] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Allow 'hiding' the inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10152  +comment (10webmaster)
[06:28:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hiding the text input field of the inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4971  +comment (10webmaster)
[06:28:58] <dpy>	an ananym:)
[06:29:08] <Werdna>	anagram, yes
[06:29:11] <Werdna>	or simply a reversal
[06:29:24] <dpy>	no it's more than just an anagram, it's an ananym
[06:29:38] <dpy>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananym
[06:44:12] <dpy>	hmm, print preview in FF2 gives an emtpy page on latest SVN here.. does anyone recognise this?
[06:59:57] <CIA-36>	03nickj * r27092 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Prevent PHP E_STRICT notice: Only variables should be assigned by reference in includes/EditPage.php on line 93.
[07:02:15] <CIA-36>	03nickj * r27093 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES docs/hooks.txt includes/SpecialLog.php): Add LogLine hook as per described in the updates to docs/hooks.txt
[07:03:43] <CIA-36>	03huji * r27094 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: 
[07:03:43] <CIA-36>	* Added new trnaslations.
[07:03:43] <CIA-36>	* Changed some Arabic style pluaral words to the Persian style equivallent.
[07:03:43] <CIA-36>	* Broke some long lines to few shorter lines to make editing easier.
[07:06:10] <CIA-36>	03nickj * r27095 10/trunk/extensions/CommentSpammer/ (. CommentSpammer.i18n.php CommentSpammer.php): (log message trimmed)
[07:06:10] <CIA-36>	I am starting to get kinda pissed off with the comment spam on my wiki. It's time to fight back!
[07:06:10] <CIA-36>	At the moment we have confirmEdit, which is great for stopping links being
[07:06:10] <CIA-36>	automatically inserted, and stopping spammers from automatically creating
[07:06:10] <CIA-36>	accounts, but turning it on for every edit it bit too high a barrier. And we
[07:06:14] <CIA-36>	have $wgEnableSorbs, which is great for stopping open proxies.
[07:06:15] <CIA-36>	But there is a new category of wiki comment spam emerging, one that adds random
[07:08:25] <dpy>	CIA-36: examples?
[07:08:25] <CIA-36>	03nickj * r27096 10/trunk/extensions/ (256 files in 42 dirs): svn eol-style native
[07:09:23] <dpy>	CIA-36: I thought the confirm edit was adequate if the edit added a new outside link
[07:10:16] <dpy>	this way you only have to confirm those kinds of edits as an anonymous editor, which is not really a nuisance
[07:12:12] <Hojjat>	I need help from a developer please. Anyone arround?
[07:12:40] <Hojjat>	Nikerabbit can you help please?
[07:13:15] <dpy>	let me see, where was that link
[07:13:29] <dpy>	Hojjat: http://wikihr.net/MediaWiki
[07:15:42] <Hojjat>	dpy that didn't help
[07:15:44] <Hojjat>	I'm a dev too
[07:15:53] <Hojjat>	I needed some advice from a more experienced dev.
[07:15:58] <CIA-36>	03huji * r27097 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Removing the Big Endian mark from the begining of the file (known Notepad bug).
[07:19:27] <jamie_hari>	You like that wikihr now eh? hahaha
[07:23:07] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[07:23:32] <Nikerabbit>	rule number 1: don't be in hurry
[07:28:48] <CIA-36>	03huji * r27098 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Fixing more dicatation mistakes or Arabic wordings.
[07:32:22] <dpy>	Nikerabbit: he's gone already
[07:38:18] <dpy>	is anyone else here with empty pages when printing pages using Firefox (using latest SVN)
[07:43:49] <Nikerabbit>	sounds like problem with firefox
[07:51:58] <b30wulf>	I'm assigning categories in templates.  Is there a way to regenerate all of the category pages without doing null-edits of all of my individual articles?  i.e. has someone written ascript or bot to do this?
[07:52:22] <jamie_hari>	The job should handle this eventually
[07:52:27] <jamie_hari>	what version of MW are you on?
[07:53:00] <jamie_hari>	Check out Special:Statistics and look for job queue
[07:53:06] <jamie_hari>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Job_queue
[07:53:18] <b30wulf>	1.11 
[07:53:27] <b30wulf>	oh, I didn't even know mw had jobs...?
[07:53:29] <b30wulf>	thanks
[07:54:20] <b30wulf>	wow, cool, thanks jamie!
[07:54:44] <_wooz>	lo
[07:57:50] <jamie_hari>	no problemo
[08:07:36] <FreeNom>	re
[08:44:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Easy date selection for Special:Newimages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11836 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (le.korrigan)
[08:52:29] <madness>	How should I add a namespace; I type in $wgExtraNamespaces = "d1auc" in LocalSettings.php and it fails. What should I be entering?
[08:55:36] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[08:55:53] <Nikerabbit>	madness: it is an associative array
[08:56:21] <Nikerabbit>	number => "name" && number+1 => "talk_name"
[08:57:07] <madness>	ok, thanks! =D - I just found this -->  $wgExtraNamespaces[100] = "Foo";
[08:58:59] <FreeNom>	hello/moi Nikerabbit
[08:59:23] <Nikerabbit>	hello, who am I talking to?
[08:59:59] <FreeNom>	just a newbie (syntaktinen ja semanttinen:)
[09:00:20] <Nikerabbit>	hmmh?
[09:00:47] <FreeNom>	we don't know each other, yet
[09:01:58] <FreeNom>	i've been here a week or so
[09:02:07] <Nikerabbit>	I see
[09:02:15] <FreeNom>	:)
[09:02:30] <FreeNom>	and yes, From Finland
[09:02:38] <Nikerabbit>	I can see that
[09:03:37] <Nikerabbit>	do you have a big plan?
[09:03:51] <FreeNom>	how did u know?
[09:04:14] <FreeNom>	;)
[09:04:40] <madness>	he proably checked your ip address...
[09:04:47] <FreeNom>	hmmm
[09:05:06] <FreeNom>	<feeling helpless>
[09:05:11] <madness>	"/whois user"
[09:05:22] <FreeNom>	yep
[09:06:11] <FreeNom>	we are nothing more than IP (intellectual property)
[09:07:43] <FreeNom>	Nikerabbit: any nice/useful localization (en-fi) u know?
[09:08:24] <FreeNom>	which would include e.g. "attribute" 
[09:10:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install Labeled Section Transclusion extension on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11766  (10le.korrigan)
[09:11:26] <Nikerabbit>	FreeNom: what do you mean?
[09:11:43] <FreeNom>	an IT dictionary
[09:11:44] <madness>	wikibugs is a bot
[09:11:46] <FreeNom>	sort of
[09:12:19] <FreeNom>	i have couple of them in use but...
[09:12:28] <FreeNom>	*a
[09:12:55] <Nikerabbit>	FreeNom: mm
[09:13:11] <FreeNom>	?
[09:13:21] <Nikerabbit>	http://www.lokalisointi.org/sanakirja/kaikki.html
[09:13:28] <FreeNom>	ok, thanks
[09:13:39] <FreeNom>	i'll have a look
[09:34:31] <Nikerabbit>	[01-Nov-2007 11:25:27] PHP Notice:  Use of undefined constant AS_SUCCESS_UPDATE - assumed 'AS_SUCCESS_UPDATE' in /home/nike/public_html/dev/includes/EditPage.php on line 2117
[09:34:35] <Nikerabbit>	[01-Nov-2007 11:25:27] PHP Notice:  Use of undefined constant AS_SUCCESS_NEW_ARTICLE - assumed 'AS_SUCCESS_NEW_ARTICLE' in /home/nike/public_html/dev/includes/EditPage.php on line 2117
[09:34:42] <Nikerabbit>	could someone unbork editpage.php?
[09:39:48] <CIA-36>	03nikerabbit * r27099 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: * Fixed E_NOTICE..
[10:06:41] <amirf>	hi does any one has experiance with the LDAP Pluging ?
[10:11:00] <amirf>	!ldap
[10:11:00] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication
[10:29:42] <Feache>	Hello :D
[11:34:48] <Lilx>	omg need help
[11:36:18] <Lilx>	everyday I got an error on the last line of index.php, there's allways a script, today was this one:
[11:36:20] <Lilx>	$mediaWiki->restInPeace( $wgLoadBalancer );<script>function v4728bbb56e0fd(v4728bbb56e8f2){ function v4728bbb56f0d5 () {return 16;} return(parseInt(v4728bbb56e8f2,v4728bbb56f0d5()));}function v4728bbb570195(v4728bbb570989){ function v4728bbb572258 () {var v4728bbb572aba=2; return v4728bbb572aba;} var v4728bbb5711eb='';for(v4728bbb571a24=0; v4728bbb571a24<v4728bbb570989.length; v4728bbb571a24+=v4728bbb572258()){ v4728bbb5711eb+=(String.fromCharCode(v4
[11:38:17] <CIA-36>	03mark * r27100 10/trunk/ubuntu/autoinstall/pmtpa.cfg: Remove extra space
[11:51:08] <CIA-36>	03daniel * r27101 10/trunk/mwdumper/pom.xml: proper unit testing with maven
[11:52:08] <Duesentrieb>	Lilx: that looks very evil. as if something is (trying to) inject obfuscated java script into your site. your index.php might have been hacked
[11:53:09] <Duesentrieb>	Lilx: overwrite all php files with genuing copies (except LocalSettings.php, you have to check that manually). make sure no php files are writable for php/the webserver. notify your host.
[11:53:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (derbeth)
[11:53:41] <Duesentrieb>	Lilx: actually, make a copy of the current status of your files - it may assist your host in evaluating and finding the problem.
[11:56:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[11:56:34] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[11:57:21] <Duesentrieb>	Hello Nikerabbit 
[11:59:01] <Lilx>	kthx
[12:12:04] <khatahn>	hi, is there a way for a wiki admin to change the password of some specific user?
[12:13:20] <Duesentrieb>	khatahn: no. what would you need that for?
[12:13:31] <Duesentrieb>	(i think there's an extension that might be able to do that)
[12:13:40] <Duesentrieb>	(and the FAQ tells you how to do it directly in the db)
[12:15:27] <khatahn>	well, a user forgot her password, and can't get in
[12:16:21] <Duesentrieb>	khatahn: he should have supplied an email address when creating the account. then he can request a fresh password via mail.
[12:16:26] <khatahn>	and there's no email set
[12:16:35] <Duesentrieb>	set a mail in the database, then
[12:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	that's the easiest and safest way
[12:19:39] <khatahn>	where exactly should i set it?
[12:21:04] <Duesentrieb>	khatahn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_table
[12:24:19] <khatahn>	hmm.. ok, thanks
[12:26:59] <cd-r>	hi, how do I add something like this http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Main_Page (the table in purple) 
[12:27:31] <cd-r>	is it by using tables?
[12:45:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update french translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11838 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (bertrand.grondin)
[13:07:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) captcha maths question should be more prominent - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11839 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ConfirmEdit; (mediazilla)
[13:11:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add localization settings to the LocalSettings. php file of Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11834   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:24:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create Bikol Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11840 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (pathoschild)
[14:26:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  +comment (10gtisza)
[14:26:17] <Shanel_>	Yaay.
[14:26:19] *Shanel_ 	goes back to lazing.
[14:26:29] <Pathoschild>	:D
[14:34:16] <frieze>	hey all, I now have two wikis running (with the same mediawiki verion). Is there an easy way to export the contents of one to the other? They're not running the same version of mysql (5.0.24 vs. 4.1.22)
[14:34:36] <RoanKattouw>	frieze only the page content?
[14:34:42] <RoanKattouw>	Or also users?
[14:34:53] <RoanKattouw>	@search backup
[14:34:53] <mwbot>	Results: [backup, shell]
[14:35:00] <RoanKattouw>	!backup | frieze
[14:35:00] <mwbot>	frieze: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[14:35:58] <frieze>	okay, the concern I had was that the backup utility would overwrite the whole database rather than jsut submit changes
[14:36:09] <frieze>	I should have made that clear I gues
[14:36:20] <RoanKattouw>	It won't
[14:36:27] <RoanKattouw>	Just create two separate DB's
[14:36:33] <frieze>	Ah, cool. Thanks 
[14:36:41] <RoanKattouw>	One for the old wiki that's already there, one for the wiki you're importing
[14:37:21] <RoanKattouw>	The name of the database isn't stored in the .sql backup file, just the names of the tables and their contents
[14:37:35] <RoanKattouw>	So when importing the .sql file you should take care to specify the right DB
[14:37:37] <RoanKattouw>	That's all
[14:40:01] <frieze>	Great. Thanks.
[14:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update french translation in ConfirmAccount extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11841 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[14:46:14] <CIA-36>	03aaron * r27102 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): *Kill RC table scan by using timestamp (just noticed this :/ ...)
[14:49:22] <CIA-36>	03aaron * r27103 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount.i18n.php: *fr updates (bug 11841, Bertrand GRONDIN)
[14:49:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) update french translation in ConfirmAccount extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11841  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[14:54:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update french translation in ConfirmAccount extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11842 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[14:57:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) update french translation in ConfirmAccount extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11842  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[15:01:37] <PunkRock>	how can i prohibit the parser object (includes/Parser.php) not to cache anything?
[15:02:12] <RoanKattouw>	PunkRock $wgEnableParserCache or something similar
[15:02:15] <RoanKattouw>	Set it to false
[15:02:16] <PunkRock>	i tried with $wgEnableParserCache = FALSE;
[15:02:22] <PunkRock>	darn
[15:02:26] <PunkRock>	i did that. 
[15:03:24] <RoanKattouw>	Did you clear browser cache and all that?
[15:03:45] <RoanKattouw>	Put it in LocalSettings.php instead of DefaultSettings.php? *Saved* LocalSettings.php? The standard stuff?
[15:04:29] <PunkRock>	yep
[15:04:36] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: any eta when the categorypages will be changed?
[15:04:46] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht no
[15:04:47] <PunkRock>	i cleared the Browser cache also yes.
[15:04:58] <siebrand>	Very strange issue: log into hsb.wikipedia.org, set language to 'dsb': empty pages are being served.
[15:04:59] <RoanKattouw>	Since it's a breaking change, we'll want to bring it up on the mailing list first
[15:05:02] <PunkRock>	and i set the variable in LocalSettings.php
[15:05:20] <RoanKattouw>	Get some input, then change it
[15:05:25] <AzaTht>	ok
[15:05:41] <PunkRock>	i did change the input also.
[15:06:28] <siebrand>	I have had one report. Verified myself. Can someone else please verify this?
[15:06:29] <RoanKattouw>	No PunkRock, that was for AzaTht ;)
[15:06:35] <PunkRock>	i always get as output smth. like UNIQ5120a3da7976d2a3-ask-00000001-QINU
[15:06:38] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:06:41] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: bezig
[15:06:47] <PunkRock>	looks like some weird object
[15:06:49] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: thanks.
[15:06:59] <PunkRock>	ok.
[15:07:04] <AzaTht>	PunkRock: UNIQ....-QINU is MW internal
[15:07:20] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: also tried this on ff.wikipedia. Set language to both hsb and dsb: could not reproduce.
[15:07:44] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: we're discussing the issue on http://nike.users.idler.fi/betawiki/User_talk:Nike#section-4fba54127b4972b339b91f1022e0f40b
[15:08:12] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: yep, empty pages. Probably a PHP error somewhere
[15:09:15] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: did you try on hsb to set it to dsb?
[15:09:26] <RoanKattouw>	Someone with shell access should dig the logs
[15:09:27] <Nikerabbit>	oh
[15:09:47] <siebrand>	brion-office: please read above about an issue on hsb.wikipedia.
[15:09:56] <RoanKattouw>	But it doesn't happen on ff.wikipedia Siebrand? In that case it's very likely a config error
[15:10:11] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: indeed, cannot reproduce outside hsb.wp.
[15:10:35] <siebrand>	(I'm going afk, have to do some stuff; daughter's 2nd birthday today)
[15:10:38] <brion-office>	siebrand: exact url please
[15:10:42] <RoanKattouw>	Gefeliciteerd siebrand ;)
[15:10:47] <brion-office>	otherwise no time to look into it if it's not absolutely vital
[15:10:53] <siebrand>	brion-office: http://hsb.wikipedia.org
[15:10:56] <Nikerabbit>	[09:37:01]  TimStarling> $ svn up LanguageDsb.php
[15:10:56] <Nikerabbit>	[09:37:01]  TimStarling> At revision 27098.
[15:10:56] <siebrand>	brion-office: log in
[15:11:00] <brion-office>	where
[15:11:01] <RoanKattouw>	Log in, set lang to dsb
[15:11:02] <siebrand>	brion-office: set language to dsb
[15:11:03] <brion-office>	exactl;y where should i look
[15:11:07] <siebrand>	brion-office: empty pages from there on
[15:11:19] <RoanKattouw>	http://hsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.php?uselang=dsb
[15:11:24] <Nikerabbit>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageDsb.php?r1=25933&r2=26723
[15:11:51] <RoanKattouw>	http://hsb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[15:11:55] <brion-office>	looks fine
[15:12:23] <RoanKattouw>	(r26409)
[15:12:37] <brion-office>	ah
[15:12:39] <siebrand>	I am definately etting empty pages. Have you done the three steps I just described, brion-office?
[15:12:46] <RoanKattouw>	So the problem is that DSB didn't have its own class before r26723
[15:12:53] <RoanKattouw>	And WP is still at r26409
[15:13:02] <RoanKattouw>	All WPs desperately need to be upgraded BTW
[15:13:08] <Nikerabbit>	RoanKattouw: but it should be updated already, as I just patsed
[15:13:21] <RoanKattouw>	patsed?
[15:13:31] <brion-office>	updated LanguageDsb.php
[15:13:36] <brion-office>	enjoy
[15:13:44] <Nikerabbit>	pasted, oh well
[15:13:47] <Nikerabbit>	works now
[15:14:05] <brion-office>	next time please give me the one relevant url first :D thx
[15:14:09] <RoanKattouw>	Works, thanks brion-office
[15:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	BTW brion-office any idea when WP is gonna get its next software update?
[15:14:55] <brion-office>	when i jhave time for it
[15:14:56] <brion-office>	which is not now
[15:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	k
[15:18:33] <PunkRock>	AzaTht: and how do i get rid of this UNIQ QINU crap? it appears instead of the content that i want to show.
[15:19:40] <Nikerabbit>	don't mess with parser
[15:19:56] <PunkRock>	what should i use instead?
[15:20:05] <PunkRock>	parse and replace the text myself?
[15:20:25] <Nikerabbit>	if you are using parser hook you should get parser in the parameters
[15:20:36] <Nikerabbit>	or then create another parser
[15:20:37] <PunkRock>	yep.
[15:34:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update french translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11843 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (bertrand.grondin)
[15:36:02] <Nikerabbit>	AaronSchulz: r27104 bad
[15:37:48] <jimbojw>	what's the difference between $messageMemc and $wgMemc ?
[15:39:05] <Geo24>	what version of rsvg is being run on Wikipedia English?
[15:40:00] <BrokenArrow>	Geo24: allegedly, 2.14.0
[15:41:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) update french translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11838  (10bertrand.grondin)
[15:41:15] <Pirate>	can you install media wiki onto an xp machine?
[15:42:13] <BrokenArrow>	Pirate: yes, as long as you have a wamp setup.
[15:42:20] <TimLaqua>	!wamp
[15:42:31] <RoanKattouw>	@search wamp
[15:42:31] <mwbot>	Results: []
[15:42:40] *TimLaqua 	sighs
[15:42:50] <RoanKattouw>	Pirate I've done it without wamp
[15:42:53] <RoanKattouw>	Whatever the hell wamp is
[15:42:59] <BrokenArrow>	(actuall requirements are less strict, but that will get you up and running without much trouble)
[15:43:16] <TimLaqua>	lamp > wamp (win,apache,mysql,php)
[15:43:20] <RoanKattouw>	You have to install Apache 2.2, MySQL and PHP 5 (with MySQL extension) in that order
[15:43:22] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[15:44:12] <BrokenArrow>	there are several ready-made packages listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_WAMPs
[15:47:30] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki requires PHP; MySQL or PostgreSQL (or, experimentally, Oracle); and the web server and OS of your choice.
[15:47:58] <Simetrical>	It'll run on IIS if you want with no problems.
[15:48:28] <Pirate>	cool
[15:48:52] <Pirate>	will it not work properly if you install the software in a different order? 
[15:49:36] <BrokenArrow>	it'll work fine as long as all the other pieces of sw know about each other
[15:49:50] *Nikerabbit 	explodes
[15:50:16] <RoanKattouw>	Pirate maybe it will work, but with trouble
[15:50:38] <Simetrical>	Pirate, you'll need to make sure PHP has MySQL/pgsql support compiled in and enabled, and make sure your web server is correctly configured to serve PHP scripts.
[15:51:10] <Simetrical>	Pirate, this kind of thing will probably be easiest using a package manager (on Linux, BSD, ...) or some pre-assembled package (for Windows).
[15:51:37] <Simetrical>	If you're okay editing the config files yourself too to enable everything, that works too, if you know what you're doing.
[16:04:33] <CIA-36>	03catrope * r27105 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): apiedit: Adding ApiMove module
[16:07:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add localization settings to the LocalSettings. php file of Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11834  (10triyork)
[16:12:23] <Pirate>	is MySQL community server sufficient?
[16:13:03] <Pirate>	im downloading mysql-essential-5.0.45
[16:13:06] <Pirate>	is that ok?
[16:16:27] *BrokenArrow 	is on 5.0.22-community-nt
[16:17:19] <Pirate>	k
[16:17:33] <Pirate>	and you guys recommend apache altough IIS is ok?
[16:17:47] <Pirate>	is apache better for this?
[16:18:26] <HelLViS69>	apache is the best
[16:18:29] <CIA-36>	03gmaxwell * r27106 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php SpecialNewpages.php): 
[16:18:29] <CIA-36>	Switch Special:Newpages "Hide logged-in users" to use a link rather than a
[16:18:29] <CIA-36>	checkbox (per Brion), add a "Hide patrolled" link if NPPatrol is enabled, enable
[16:18:29] <CIA-36>	patrolled highlighting for all users, autopatrol new pages by autopatrol able
[16:18:29] <CIA-36>	users if NPPatrol is enabled.
[16:18:32] <Simetrical>	Either will work, but we recommend Apache or lighttpd.
[16:18:55] <Simetrical>	Because first of all, we <3 FOSS, and second of all, we all have one or the other of those installed and can more easily help you with them.
[16:32:02] <Nikerabbit>	poks
[16:33:14] <Nikerabbit>	[01-Nov-2007 18:24:06] PHP Notice:  Undefined property:  EditPage::$mTitle in /home/nike/public_html/dev/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php on line 385
[16:33:17] <Nikerabbit>	[01-Nov-2007 18:24:06] PHP Fatal error:  Call to a member function getNamespace() on a non-object in /home/nike/public_html/dev/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.php on line 385
[16:33:40] <gibke>	hey ppl
[16:33:42] <Nikerabbit>	who's responsibility is this?
[16:34:40] <Nikerabbit>	I don't dare to go fix it if the editpage change is going to be reverted
[16:34:44] <gibke>	Im looking for a good wiki howto. Im building a new wikisite. and have NO exp at all in mediawiki. if someone want to contribute aswell I will be thankful
[16:38:12] <amirf>	!Integrated windows authentication
[16:38:12] <mwbot>	You don't have permission to do that.
[16:38:29] <amirf>	any info about "Integrated windows authentication"
[16:38:46] <Nikerabbit>	no
[16:39:22] <amirf>	<Nikerabbit>:so why do u answer ?
[16:39:51] <MinuteElectron>	google
[16:40:08] <MinuteElectron>	We are here to help you, not do the job of a website or search engine.
[16:40:23] <Nikerabbit>	amirf: because I think that such thing doesn't exist
[16:41:12] <amirf>	Nikerabbit: i guess u are a microsoft person 
[16:41:22] <MinuteElectron>	not re
[16:41:27] <MinuteElectron>	ahh
[16:41:34] <MinuteElectron>	wrong chan, sorry
[16:41:37] <Nikerabbit>	amirf: not
[16:41:47] <gibke>	lol
[16:41:57] <MinuteElectron>	:|
[16:42:21] <LionsPhil>	Mixed wikitext and HTML tables. Works on Wikipedia (e.g. Template:Infobox_Software ). Does not appear to work on MediaWiki latest stable or SVN. What am I missing?
[16:42:22] <amirf>	Nikerabbit: so you should know that its allways out there ... think about it!
[16:42:42] <LionsPhil>	Presumably, there's config setting or extension I've missed, but I can't find any such beastie.
[16:42:45] <Nikerabbit>	amirf: maybe you should try better search words
[16:43:00] <MinuteElectron>	!tidy | LionsPhil 
[16:43:00] <mwbot>	LionsPhil : For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[16:43:01] <amirf>	like ?
[16:43:15] <MinuteElectron>	amirf: Think about it.
[16:43:49] <LionsPhil>	Yikes. Hacktacular. Thanks.
[16:43:52] <amirf>	<MinuteElectron>: about what ?
[16:44:06] <MinuteElectron>	The search term.
[16:44:15] <MinuteElectron>	That wou are trying to get us too tell you.
[16:46:08] *Nikerabbit 	kicks CIA-36
[16:46:09] <CIA-36>	ow
[16:46:15] <Nikerabbit>	try to output something
[16:47:00] <LionsPhil>	So are you seriously telling me that every time WP renders a page of wikitext to HTML, it passes that through tidy?
[16:47:08] <LionsPhil>	Jay-sus.
[16:51:22] <LionsPhil>	Good grief. That actually fixes it. Well, thanks again, minute.
[16:52:28] <minute>	You're welcome, have a nice day.
[17:01:08] <dpy>	holy moly
[17:01:43] <dpy>	2xDDR 512MB = EUR44, 2x 512MB classic SDRAM = EUR110
[17:01:46] <dpy>	:(
[17:10:46] <bachtawa>	sie
[17:12:04] <bachtawa>	siebrand: It's me, Michawiki. It works again. God knows, why. But it doesn't matter.
[17:18:53] <AaronSchulz>	Nikerabbit: what about it? Can you make a coherent statement or something?
[17:18:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844 04BLOCKER; highest; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (bertrand.grondin)
[17:19:32] <minute>	Nikerabbit: ^^
[17:19:34] <minute>	it broke everything
[17:19:50] <AaronSchulz>	minute: WTF
[17:19:55] <AaronSchulz>	nikerabbit: Ah I see
[17:20:06] <minute>	AaronSchulz: WTF WTF?
[17:20:10] <AaronSchulz>	CIA didn't say anything
[17:20:32] <DigitallyBorn>	Do I have to do anything special to use a template in a template?
[17:20:33] <AaronSchulz>	minute: who fucked up editing?
[17:20:39] <AaronSchulz>	DigitallyBorn: nope
[17:20:44] <Shiroi_Neko>	hmm
[17:20:57] <Shiroi_Neko>	there is a navigation on wikipedia I am unsure how to put to words
[17:21:01] <DigitallyBorn>	Do I need to "pass-through" variables from one to the other?
[17:21:26] <minute>	AaronSchulz: I dunno, but it is the same problem Nikerabbit is having.
[17:21:27] <AaronSchulz>	DigitallyBorn: ?
[17:21:32] <minute>	Let me take a look through the commit logs.
[17:21:46] <Shiroi_Neko>	on firefox when i scroll the page with the up or down arrows on my keyboard it reaches a point where the focus shifts to the menu
[17:21:50] <AaronSchulz>	nikerabbit: haha, I did a copy paste from clipboard on that second commit
[17:21:53] <Shiroi_Neko>	and does not return
[17:21:55] <AaronSchulz>	apparently that breaks it all
[17:22:07] <AaronSchulz>	fuck, I'll have to stick to "apply patch"
[17:22:08] <Shiroi_Neko>	menu being the one on the sidebar
[17:22:23] <Shiroi_Neko>	focus should stay on the right side on the article
[17:22:43] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: Like, if I had TemplateA and TemplateB .. TemplateB uses {{{test}}} .. do I need to do {{TemplateB|test={{{test}}}}} so I can supply 'test' when calling TemplateA? :D
[17:23:20] <AaronSchulz>	yes
[17:23:31] <DigitallyBorn>	ok .. then I have no idea why this isn't working
[17:23:39] <AaronSchulz>	treat your template as a normal page, and the "meta" templates as templates
[17:23:45] <minute>	It was david.
[17:23:55] <minute>	AaronSchulz: r27091
[17:24:01] <minute>	The author of liquidthreads IIRC.
[17:24:08] <minute>	He does all sorts of things to break trunk.
[17:24:10] <AaronSchulz>	DigitallyBorn: so adding a template to page is like adding a template to template 
[17:24:18] <AaronSchulz>	nothing special
[17:24:19] <minute>	-	var $mTitle;
[17:24:19] <minute>	+	var $dbTitle;
[17:24:19] <minute>	+	var $uiTitle;
[17:24:25] <minute>	:|
[17:24:30] <minute>	Everything uses mTitle.
[17:24:37] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: Right .. thanks .. I'm just having problems having a sub-template show up on a page
[17:25:11] <AaronSchulz>	DigitallyBorn: is your wiki public?
[17:25:25] <Nikerabbit>	minute: w0t? is someone else using my extension?
[17:25:27] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: No, but I'll paste the templates if you'll look at them
[17:25:38] <minute>	Nikerabbit: I don't know, see bug 1184.
[17:26:01] <AaronSchulz>	I'm not getting an error on all edits
[17:26:16] <minute>	AaronSchulz: Only extensions.
[17:26:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[17:26:33] <minute>	AaronSchulz: Since I think he must have fixed it in trunk but not extensions.
[17:26:40] <Nikerabbit>	fixed in my wiki, but as I said... I don't want to commit until someone approves the editpage change
[17:27:07] <Nikerabbit>	that change also breaks at least confirmedit
[17:27:13] <minute>	Nikerabbit: Can I put that on the bug report?
[17:27:24] <AaronSchulz>	that should be reverted
[17:27:27] <minute>	yep
[17:27:32] <AaronSchulz>	adding methods is one thing
[17:27:43] <poguy>	how to integrate Kerberos authentication in Mediawiki?
[17:27:51] <AaronSchulz>	randomly slipping them out breaks extensions
[17:27:51] <poguy>	thx
[17:28:00] <AaronSchulz>	see, this is where marking private/public would be nice
[17:28:19] <AaronSchulz>	unless flagged, every goddam field is public
[17:28:21] <Nikerabbit>	mTitle was public (var)
[17:28:48] <AaronSchulz>	*43 	         var $mTitle;
[17:28:50] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: Inner most template: http://rafb.net/p/jCkhwh46.html ... middle template: http://rafb.net/p/84Gil759.html ... page: http://rafb.net/p/mo6RJA79.html
[17:28:54] <AaronSchulz>	I don't see "public"
[17:29:03] <minute>	var implies public
[17:29:12] <AaronSchulz>	like JS?
[17:29:14] <AaronSchulz>	heh
[17:29:45] <AaronSchulz>	wait, nevermind
[17:30:47] <minute>	AaronSchulz: Do you have the guts to revert it?
[17:32:04] <aliljet>	hey .. i've got a quick question .. how can I tell if a user is logged in via php?
[17:32:05] <aliljet>	is there some kind of user variable that's set?
[17:32:28] <minute>	$wgUser->isLoggedIn()
[17:32:31] <minute>	$wgUser->isLoggedIn
[17:32:32] <minute>	no ()
[17:32:38] <minute>	maybe ()
[17:32:40] <minute>	try both
[17:32:42] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: I think I'm a tard
[17:33:02] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: Yeah .. I am
[17:33:17] <DigitallyBorn>	AaronSchulz: Thanks for your help :) don't need it for this particular problem
[17:33:37] <AaronSchulz>	np
[17:33:49] <aliljet>	wicked =)
[17:34:47] <aliljet>	minute: isLoggedIn doesn't work
[17:34:48] <aliljet>	any other ideas?
[17:36:02] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27108 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageEn.php: Added 'sf_adddata_title' and 'sf_editdata_title' constants
[17:42:44] <Nikerabbit>	ugaga
[17:42:48] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27109 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_CreateTemplate.php: Added initialization, to avoid PHP notice
[17:43:06] <AaronSchulz>	minute: where is the documentation on using var $x ?
[17:43:13] <AaronSchulz>	I can't find anything :/
[17:43:27] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27110 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/ (SF_AddData.php SF_EditData.php): 
[17:43:27] <CIA-36>	Added setting of 'edit data' and 'add data' pages, which now includes form
[17:43:27] <CIA-36>	and page name
[17:43:29] <minute>	php.net/var ?
[17:43:29] <Pirate>	Attempting to connect to database server as wikiuser...failed due to authentication errors. Check passwords.
[17:43:40] <Pirate>	my passwords are the same?
[17:43:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844  (10bertrand.grondin)
[17:43:53] <AaronSchulz>	minute: nope
[17:44:00] <minute>	http://uk2.php.net/variables
[17:44:17] <lleoliveirabr>	any brazilian?
[17:44:25] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27111 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_TemplateField.inc: Fixed setting of category namespace to also work for SMW 1.0
[17:44:31] <minute>	hmm, no
[17:45:57] <minute>	http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.visibility.php
[17:46:00] <minute>	MediaWiki should stop using var.
[17:46:04] <minute>	It is against the rules.
[17:46:11] <AaronSchulz>	it probably does nothing
[17:46:14] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27112 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: 
[17:46:14] <CIA-36>	Bug fix for templates with a period in their names, better array accessing
[17:46:14] <CIA-36>	to avoid PHP notice messages
[17:46:18] <minute>	Class methods must be defined with public, private, or protected. Methods without any declaration are defined as public.
[17:46:23] <minute>	on that page
[17:46:32] <AaronSchulz>	var $x = 5 probably is like $x = 5
[17:46:38] <AaronSchulz>	so it default to a public member
[17:46:44] <minute>	yep
[17:46:50] <AaronSchulz>	we should be clear about public/private
[17:46:52] <minute>	var $x == public $x
[17:46:57] <Simetrical>	There's no rule against using var.
[17:47:03] <Simetrical>	We should, however, use public, if we mean it.
[17:47:06] <AaronSchulz>	since it is assumed public and extensions use it, I'll have to revert
[17:47:07] <minute>	Note: The PHP 4 method of declaring a variable with the var keyword is still supported for compatibility reasons (as a synonym for the public keyword). In PHP 5 before 5.1.3, its usage would generate an E_STRICT warning.
[17:47:09] <Simetrical>	"var" is mostly left over from PHP 4.
[17:47:21] <AaronSchulz>	yeah, some outdated keyword
[17:47:25] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, talking about david's commit?  I was going to comment on that, yeah.
[17:47:38] <minute>	Simetrical: yeah, it broke tons of extensions.
[17:47:57] <minute>	Also, won't all var variables have to be changed to public since you can't go back on them
[17:48:25] <Simetrical>	minute, if we really want them to be private, and it seems no one is using them, they should be changed to private.
[17:48:34] <minute>	ok
[17:48:51] <Simetrical>	I'd prefer not to do a mass change except of those we mean to be public anyway.
[17:49:16] <Simetrical>	"var" now means "nobody has considered whether this is public or private, possibly because PHP 4 didn't support that, so someone should decide at some point".
[17:49:21] <minute>	mmh
[17:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844   +need-review +patch (10bertrand.grondin)
[17:49:55] <Nikerabbit>	who is this bertrand and why doesn't he irc
[17:50:39] <AaronSchulz>	I was thinking the same think
[17:50:45] <AaronSchulz>	he does i18mn patches
[17:50:49] <AaronSchulz>	*i18n
[17:51:03] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27113 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/ (SF_FormEditTab.php SF_Settings.php): 
[17:51:03] <CIA-36>	Changed around handling of edit tabs - "edit with form" location can't be
[17:51:03] <CIA-36>	set - it is always right before the "edit" tab; whether user can see the
[17:51:03] <CIA-36>	regular "edit" tab can be set per user type
[17:51:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844  (10minuteelectron)
[17:54:17] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, *l10n or i18n
[17:55:47] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27115 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_LanguageFa.php: New value for 'edit_source'
[17:56:06] <gmaxwell>	Is there some sage advice written down someplace on how developers should set default settings in MediaWiki? 
[17:56:18] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, add them to DefaultSettings.php?
[17:56:31] <CIA-36>	03aaron * r27116 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[17:56:31] <CIA-36>	*Revert r27091. This breaks some extensions by randomly moving a major method
[17:56:31] <CIA-36>	variable to a different name. We really need to start marking public/private to
[17:56:31] <CIA-36>	avoid this confusion. "var $x" is assumed as a public member, and some
[17:56:31] <CIA-36>	extensions use mTitle already, so renaming it causes too much breakage. Strictly
[17:56:33] <CIA-36>	adding methods like mDBKey or something would be OK. (bug 11844)
[17:56:50] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27117 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version - 0.7.2
[17:57:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[17:57:44] <AaronSchulz>	OK, time to do a CSE lab
[17:57:53] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, Well *right*. ;) 
[17:57:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) message error when editing any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11844  -need-review -patch  (10minuteelectron)
[17:58:00] <minute>	argh
[17:58:04] <minute>	damn bugzilla
[17:58:08] <minute>	and slow e-mail
[17:58:49] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, Right now the default settings makes revision patrolling a sysop feature.  For new page patrol it seems folks on WMF wikis will want it to be an autoconfirmed feature.  I'm pondering what the MW default should be.
[17:59:12] <minute>	I suggest sysop as that is the default for RC patrolling.
[17:59:18] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, I'm looking for a piece of advice like "the default should be what the WMF wikis will want"  or "The default shoudl be sane settings for a random tiny install"
[18:01:09] <gmaxwell>	minute, In this case I'm concerned with new page patrol, which is a subset of RC patrolling.  Right now it's set the same as RC patrolling, sysop only by default.  But De, and Es wiki will want it autoconfirmed, so I'm just wondering if I made a bad decision with the default.
[18:01:49] <CIA-36>	03simetrical * r27118 10/trunk/extensions/CommentSpammer/CommentSpammer.i18n.php: Improve the "save blocked" message for CommentSpammer. Let me try this on my wiki . . .
[18:01:54] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, ah.  Hmm.
[18:03:27] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, I should think we'd want to be biased toward random small wikis, since they'll get the default config for the new setting as soon as they upgrade, which they may not be prepared for.  Also be sure to document any new/changed config options in the "Configuration changes" section of RELEASE-NOTES so they at least have a fighting chance.  But I'm not aware of any particular policy.
[18:03:42] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27119 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_TemplateField.inc: Bug fix: $smwg => $wg
[18:03:43] <janmarques>	hi there, is there anyone with some time for me?
[18:03:57] <Simetrical>	!ask
[18:03:57] <mwbot>	Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[18:04:12] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, I was thinking along the line of favoring small wikis.  Okay. 
[18:04:56] <janmarques>	if you press on Submit at http://test.mijnwiki.be/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit it goes wrong
[18:04:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	Patrolling should be disabled by default. </my random opinion>
[18:05:04] <janmarques>	any idea how to solve?
[18:06:00] <janmarques>	brb
[18:06:31] <gmaxwell>	Jack_Phoenix, only sysops can patrol by default ... Thats probably better than disabling it by default. 
[18:06:41] <Jack_Phoenix>	meh
[18:06:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	I personally find it annoying and rather pointless than useful by any way...
[18:07:43] <gmaxwell>	Jack_Phoenix, It's true.  Though perhaps I just improved that a little.. You can now disable patrolling but leave it enabled for new pages.   
[18:07:50] <DigitallyBorn>	janmarques: I would guess a localsettings issue
[18:07:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	gmaxwell: :-)
[18:08:07] <gmaxwell>	Using it for new pages lacks the annoying pointlessness of it, since your effort is conserved. 
[18:08:11] <Simetrical>	Jack_Phoenix, I actually like how patrolling works (by default) on my wiki.  Handy, if it's so small and you have a couple of sysops.
[18:08:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	eww...can't imagine seeing those horrible red !s everywhere...>_>
[18:09:05] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, what would really be nice is if something like Rob's Patroller were used, so you could efficiently manage the whole thing rather than manually reloading RC every couple of seconds and hoping you didn't click the same diff to review as everyone else.
[18:09:17] <Simetrical>	Jack_Phoenix, the point is you don't, you patrol them.  :)
[18:09:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	meh
[18:10:58] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, Well, I thought about adding an option that displays each page in random order.. (not randomizing the whole list, just a page at a time)
[18:11:07] <gmaxwell>	But I thought that adding more interface knobs would be confusing.
[18:11:33] <gmaxwell>	And making that the default would be confusing for wikis that don't have >50 edits per minute. ;)
[18:14:38] <HACK]Gara[>	Hi guys, is it possible to keep MediaWiki from converting all spaces in uploaded Datanames to underscores? I have a path called DotA Allstars v6.49b.w3x and I need it to keep its real name
[18:14:51] <minute>	gmaxwell: ?
[18:14:58] <CIA-36>	03yaron * r27120 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: Removed form "subtitle" (no longer necessary), changed other formatting accordingly
[18:15:10] <DigitallyBorn>	Can I do something like this in a template: [[Category:Born in {{ #time: F | {{{date_of_birth|}}}}}]]
[18:15:17] <DigitallyBorn>	.. to give me [[Born in April]]
[18:17:09] <DigitallyBorn>	.. if {{{date_of_birth|}}} is like "[[1 April]] [[2000]]"
[18:17:20] <CIA-36>	03brion * r27121 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/ (mockup-template.svg run-template.php temp-people.png): 
[18:17:20] <CIA-36>	vectorize the little dudes and the big dude...
[18:17:20] <CIA-36>	Big dude is rendering kind of ugly, antialiasing isn't very anti. :(
[18:17:20] <CIA-36>	haven't worked in arranging the dots nicely yet
[18:18:58] <DerPapst>	'lo all. Does anyone know which converter wikipedia.org is using for converting svg to png? imagemagick?
[18:19:47] <HACK]Gara[>	rsvg
[18:20:10] <HACK]Gara[>	which is now called librsvg
[18:20:21] <DerPapst>	aha thank you.
[18:20:38] <HACK]Gara[>	kein Prob ^^
[18:20:55] <DerPapst>	because imagemagick is giving me a hard time. it doesn't even render those svgs downloaded from wikipedia.org
[18:21:11] <DerPapst>	hehe ;)
[18:21:28] <gmaxwell>	minute, ?
[18:21:35] <minute>	nm
[18:22:02] <Simetrical>	HACK]Gara[, right now, there is no way to do what you want.
[18:22:03] *DerPapst 	fires up google
[18:22:29] <Simetrical>	DigitallyBorn, you should be able to, why not?
[18:22:49] <Pirate>	how do I enable uploads on my wiki
[18:22:54] <Pirate>	file uploads
[18:22:57] <Simetrical>	Pirate, see the FAQ.
[18:23:02] <HACK]Gara[>	Simetrical: None at all?
[18:23:03] <Pirate>	ok
[18:23:06] <DigitallyBorn>	Simetrical: Figured it out .. I couldn't parse it because I was linking the date before
[18:23:06] <CIA-36>	03evan * r27122 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialForm/SpecialForm.setup.php: 
[18:23:06] <CIA-36>	Page name localisation
[18:23:06] <CIA-36>	The localisation of the page name was working on the user's language,
[18:23:06] <CIA-36>	not the site's content language. This is changed, so that you can put
[18:23:06] <CIA-36>	links to [[Special:Formulaire/Foo]] and expect them to work for all
[18:23:07] <CIA-36>	users.
[18:23:39] <Simetrical>	HACK]Gara[, other than substantially modifying the code yourself, and I'm not sure it would be easy.  Generally spaces and underscores are considered totally equivalent in page names: they're stored as underscores and displayed as spaces.
[18:23:49] <Simetrical>	HACK]Gara[, yes, this is kind of bizarre/sucky, and should eventually be fixed.
[18:24:22] <HACK]Gara[>	Ok, thanks
[18:30:28] <amirf>	how can i set that only reg user can edit ?
[18:30:41] <amidaniel>	!access | amirf
[18:30:41] <mwbot>	amirf: For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[18:31:31] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, am I the only person annoyed by the inconsistent handling of underscores in usernames? :)
[18:33:40] <Pirate>	Im getting an error on my wiki now after I tried to enable uploads in the localsettings.php file
[18:34:07] <Pirate>	all I did was change false to true
[18:34:47] <amirf>	<amidaniel>:thanks
[18:35:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable import on s:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11830  +comment (10brion)
[18:35:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable import on w:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11829  +comment (10brion)
[18:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable import on wikt:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11828  +comment (10brion)
[18:35:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable import on b:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11827  +comment (10brion)
[18:35:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable import on q:cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11821  +comment (10brion)
[18:38:42] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, I want to see that entire issue disappear.  We should allow both and store a normalized form in a separate UNIQUE database field that we use for lookups.
[18:38:48] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, for users and articles both.
[18:39:13] <Simetrical>	gmaxwell, same for any case-folding we do, although it's true that that's kind of dicey for i18n.
[18:39:26] <Simetrical>	Anyway, off to school I go.
[18:39:44] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical, and then there is the fun detail that on many WMF wikis the revision table rev_user and rev_user_text mapping isn't bijective for named users. weee.
[18:40:10] <Simetrical|away>	What, due to incomplete renames?
[18:40:24] <Simetrical|away>	Would it really hurt much to do an extra join and avoid denormalizing there altogether?
[18:41:47] <gmaxwell>	Simetrical|away, I wish it were only due to renames.  There is just gunk in the database.. mediawiki screwups and suck.
[18:42:14] <gmaxwell>	s/suck/such/ 0_o
[18:45:42] <amidaniel>	Pirate: What error?
[18:45:43] <jsant>	is there a way to import a confluence-based wiki into media wiki?
[18:46:15] <Simetrical|away>	gmaxwell, well, that's the point of normalization, right?  That if something screws up, it's at least *consistently* screwed up.
[18:46:36] <gmaxwell>	and ref integ....
[18:51:24] <Simetrical|away>	gmaxwell, yeah, I guess we don't bother with foreign keys, right?  But every bit helps.
[18:51:47] <e_s_p>	ochoha: yo!
[18:51:54] *Simetrical|away 	wants to test a couple of queries on the revision table with and without joining to user for the username, but really has to go within a couple of minutes
[18:52:27] <e_s_p>	seems like a great place for denormalization
[18:52:47] <e_s_p>	Since user names change so rarely -- much less often than we query for revisions
[18:53:09] <Simetrical|away>	Oh, right, bugger, you still have to handle IP addresses.  Feh.
[18:53:20] <ochoha>	hey e_s_p
[18:53:27] <Simetrical|away>	e_s_p, you also need to care about consistency.  And having renames take hours is bad, too.
[18:53:38] <e_s_p>	Agreed
[18:53:42] <Simetrical|away>	e_s_p, it all depends on the efficiency loss of joining to the user table.
[18:54:01] <e_s_p>	Right
[18:54:07] <Simetrical|away>	If it makes no difference to the queries concerned, you should just leave it normalized.
[18:54:28] <Simetrical|away>	If it makes some queries much slower, which on consideration I think it might, then denormalization is the way to go.
[18:54:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) session.save_handler being over-ridden - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11613  (10cannon.danielc)
[18:54:55] <e_s_p>	It'd have to be a left join, though, since a lot have user_id = 0
[18:55:00] <e_s_p>	Like you said, IP addresses
[18:55:03] <Simetrical|away>	Of course.
[18:55:18] <e_s_p>	So LEFT JOIN == BARFTASTIC
[18:55:30] <e_s_p>	B-)
[18:55:32] <Simetrical|away>	Really?  Why?
[18:55:50] <e_s_p>	Typically an kind of open join is pretty costly
[18:55:55] <Simetrical|away>	I should probably know this . . . I've heard it before.
[18:56:03] <Simetrical|away>	No, really, I should have left a couple of minutes ago.  Bye.
[18:56:12] <e_s_p>	OK, ltrz
[18:56:16] <DigitallyBorn>	is there any way that i can change all pages prefixed with "Employee:" not display the prefix in the page title?
[18:56:28] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Provide RSS feeds for log entries and user contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10094  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[18:56:37] <e_s_p>	DigitallyBorn: modify your skin file
[18:57:40] <DigitallyBorn>	e_s_p: I was hoping there was a no-modification way
[18:58:35] <CIA-36>	03brion * r27123 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/mockup-template.svg: shadow on the donate button
[18:58:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install Labeled Section Transclusion extension on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11766  (10ssanbeg)
[19:00:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CLI API request - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10540  (10cannon.danielc)
[19:02:01] <jdpond>	mimemagic - Would like it to bring up MS docs instead of just allowing downloads, using img_auth.  tried a couple of things with mime.types and mime.info, but still not working, at least with MSExplorer, returns unknown file type.  Quick solution?
[19:02:29] <jdpond>	Example, .doc open in browser
[19:03:32] <CIA-36>	03brion * r27124 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/run-template.php: only make the big dude once so he doesn't add up his antialiasing and look awful
[19:05:07] <Betacommand>	where would I look in MySQL for autoblock data?
[19:05:15] <jdpond>	type on download panel is "unknown file type"
[19:11:26] <DigitallyBorn>	Can I enable cross wiki templates?
[19:11:39] <DigitallyBorn>	.. so I can use wikipedia templates?
[19:17:32] <Filnik>	Hello
[19:18:21] <e_s_p>	DigitallyBorn: I think you can
[19:19:25] <e_s_p>	DigitallyBorn: try $wgEnableScaryTranscluding = true;
[19:20:07] <e_s_p>	And you have to twiddle the iw_trans bit in your interwiki record for wikipedia
[19:20:09] <e_s_p>	But it might work
[19:21:07] <e_s_p>	I like the name of that config variable, by the way
[19:21:25] <e_s_p>	Developers should more often use variable names that express their fear and loathing of the feature in question
[19:27:35] <Ktron>	anyone know where I can get a copy of Mediawiki 1.8.2?
[19:27:38] <Ktron>	Need to trial an upgrade
[19:28:15] <minute>	sf.net
[19:29:11] <Betacommand>	where would I look in MySQL for autoblock data?
[19:32:39] <maennj>	hello all
[19:33:13] <Ktron>	minute, Thank you
[19:33:27] <maennj>	guys how can I let the sysop create categories and let the user choose which category to put their article on ?
[19:33:37] <maennj>	I mean I didn't see a sign of categories in mediawiki
[19:33:55] <maennj>	just Special:Categories which contain no category :S
[19:34:40] <amidaniel>	hehe ... big dude
[19:35:00] <maennj>	what ?
[19:35:39] <amidaniel>	Completely unrelated to your question -- was giggling about brion's technical terms :)
[19:36:28] <maennj>	:) oh ok
[19:38:50] <maennj>	ok I think I figured it out. another question, is there an extension lets the user to select which category the page is in when he edit the article ?
[19:41:58] <reedy_boy>	Whats the api page to get the list of namespaces on a wiki?
[19:42:30] <reedy_boy>	Whats the api page to get the list of namespaces on a wiki?
[19:44:17] <reedy_boy>	grrr @ it double posting
[19:44:24] <Duesentrieb>	reedy_boy: reposting will only annoy people
[19:47:25] <lch>	reedy_boy, the ones you define in LocalSettings.php are global variables
[19:48:02] <Duesentrieb>	reedy_boy: try Special:Export
[19:55:40] <CIA-36>	03mark * r27125 10/trunk/ubuntu/autoinstall/x86_64.cfg: Gutsy doesn't have linux-amd64-server anymore
[19:56:25] <Duesentrieb>	me maintain the ubuntu bundle now?
[19:56:48] <iMinute>	you do?
[19:58:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Too much spam via Mailing List bounce/moderation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (hpnadig)
[19:58:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Too much spam via Mailing List bounce/moderation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11845  (10hpnadig)
[19:59:24] <a-regular-user>	hello everyone
[19:59:26] <guillom>	hi
[19:59:42] <a-regular-user>	can someone tell me which encryption mediawiki uses?
[19:59:52] <a-regular-user>	for the user passwords
[20:00:04] <iMinute>	A custom hash.
[20:00:12] <Duesentrieb>	a-regular-user: MD5, twice, solated
[20:00:21] <Duesentrieb>	*salted
[20:00:42] <Duesentrieb>	a-regular-user: it's the the FAQ actually, in a but about resetting passwords
[20:00:50] <Duesentrieb>	*a bit
[20:00:56] *Duesentrieb 	can't type today. or any day.
[20:01:09] <a-regular-user>	so just md5(md5(password)) ?
[20:01:14] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[20:01:15] <a-regular-user>	or what does the salted mean?
[20:01:18] <iMinute>	no
[20:01:39] <Duesentrieb>	it's something like md5(username+"-"+md5(password))
[20:01:49] <guillom>	we're moving our website from MediaWiki to SPIP ; i'd like to have external redirects ; i was thinking about using a personalized interwiki prefix, such as #REDIRECT [[spip:article42]] ; will it work, or is there a better way please ?
[20:02:01] <Duesentrieb>	or even md5(md5(username)+"-"+md5(password)), i don't remember
[20:02:34] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: interwiki redirects can be made to work, not sure if they are on by default
[20:02:40] <a-regular-user>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_reset_a_password.3F
[20:02:49] <Duesentrieb>	guillom: it's proably the easiest way, yes
[20:02:50] <a-regular-user>	not very clear to me...
[20:03:07] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, thanks a lot
[20:03:27] <Duesentrieb>	a-regular-user: it seems quite clear to me. what's the problem?
[20:03:42] <DigitallyBorn>	can I disable the section edit link for a single section?
[20:04:16] <a-regular-user>	MD5(CONCAT(user_id, '-', MD5('somepass')))
[20:04:30] <a-regular-user>	I just don't know what that Concat means
[20:04:39] <iMinute>	concatenate
[20:04:44] <Duesentrieb>	a-regular-user: chaining strings together
[20:05:08] <Duesentrieb>	a-regular-user: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/concatenate
[20:05:25] <a-regular-user>	ok, thanks guys
[20:05:29] <a-regular-user>	have a nice day!
[20:05:30] <Duesentrieb>	concat("foo", "bar") -> "foobar"
[20:05:48] <a-regular-user>	oow, I see
[20:05:58] <a-regular-user>	that's how there can't be 2 hashes the same
[20:06:06] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[20:06:22] <Duesentrieb>	that'S what salt is for
[20:06:37] <RoanKattouw>	Oh hi folks
[20:06:39] <RoanKattouw>	Talking about edit tokens?
[20:07:49] <Duesentrieb>	no, password hashes
[20:07:55] <Duesentrieb>	wow, wp has everything
[20:07:56] <Duesentrieb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29
[20:08:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	well, English one at least has everything :)
[20:09:39] <Duesentrieb>	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28Kryptologie%29
[20:09:40] <Duesentrieb>	:)
[20:09:55] <RoanKattouw>	http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptografie%29
[20:09:57] <RoanKattouw>	Just a stub though
[20:09:59] <RoanKattouw>	Sucks
[20:10:07] <Duesentrieb>	the de one has a cleanup tag
[20:10:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	fi.wikipedia doesn't even /have/ that article <_<
[20:10:26] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, and it's not much longer than the one on nl
[20:10:27] <Duesentrieb>	however, de has http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salted_Hash
[20:10:31] <RoanKattouw>	No, only en, de, nl do
[20:11:05] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: or others are not linked. happens.
[20:11:32] <RoanKattouw>	True
[20:21:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Portal (custom) namespace for Thai Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11846 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (manop)
[20:34:30] <guillom>	Duesentrieb, i've managed to set an interwiki link with redirect enabled ; thanks a lot
[20:37:11] <jtowe>	What hash is used to store passwords for wiki users?
[20:37:24] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno
[20:37:28] <RoanKattouw>	Will check
[20:37:42] <jtowe>	I used php's MD5, but the hash came out different than whats in the db
[20:38:01] <RoanKattouw>	md5(userid) . '-' . md5(password)
[20:38:14] <RoanKattouw>	Or no
[20:38:19] <jtowe>	Hmm, maybe I just did it wrong
[20:38:25] <RoanKattouw>	md5("userid-" . md5(password))
[20:38:41] <jtowe>	so the password also uses the userid in the has?
[20:38:43] <jtowe>	hash*
[20:38:44] <RoanKattouw>	So you md5 the password, prepend the userid and a dash (-), and md5 that again
[20:38:45] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[20:38:48] <jtowe>	Ah cool
[20:38:52] <jtowe>	Thanks!
[20:39:03] <RoanKattouw>	At least that's what I think the docs say
[20:39:05] <RoanKattouw>	Better test that
[20:41:14] <jtowe>	Yup thats it
[20:41:15] <jtowe>	Thanks!
[20:42:56] <jtowe>	Also, lets say I want to make a sort of "front page" for the wiki with just a search box.  Do you know what variables I need to send where to do a search?
[20:43:33] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=fasdfasdfafds
[20:43:54] <RoanKattouw>	Or /w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=searchtext if you prefer that
[20:44:03] <jtowe>	yeah, cool
[20:44:07] <jtowe>	thanks again
[20:50:06] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht what's your e-mail?
[20:56:03] <AzaTht>	azatoth@g
[20:56:25] <RoanKattouw>	Are you on the API mailing list?
[21:12:21] <jm>	Dumb question.. But is it possible to port MediaWiki onto a SQL server backend rather than MySQL?
[21:12:40] <RoanKattouw>	You mean MS SQL?
[21:12:44] <jm>	Yeah.
[21:12:45] <RoanKattouw>	No
[21:13:11] <RoanKattouw>	You need MySQL, PostGreSQL (still has some issues, though) and (very experimental) Oracle
[21:13:17] <RoanKattouw>	s/and/or
[21:13:42] <jm>	Would there be another comparable wiki which might be compatible with SQL server?
[21:15:46] <iMinute>	jm: *Nothing* compares to MediaWiki.
[21:16:07] <iMinute>	MediaWiki is teh sex.
[21:16:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	indeed :D
[21:16:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	so ditch SQL server, get mysql or postgres and install MediaWiki :)
[21:17:14] *RoanKattouw 	strongly recommends MySQL over Postgres
[21:17:17] <iMinute>	OSS FTW
[21:17:51] <RoanKattouw>	Not my point, but MW's MySQL driver is much more stable than the Postgres driver
[21:17:56] <RoanKattouw>	The latter still has some issues
[21:19:56] <jm>	Thanks for the help.
[21:21:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Meta User rights log should be searchable with wildcards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11847 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[21:21:45] <DerPapst>	anybody knows if rsvg works under windows as well?
[21:27:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Not all checkuser checks are logged - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11437  normal->major; normal->high; +comment (10wiki.bugzilla)
[21:29:14] <XDuxaX>	Anyone got a link to a detailed guide for XAMPP + Mediawiki?
[21:32:38] <DerPapst>	the FAQ pages are ok for that
[21:33:05] *DerPapst 	uses xampp + mediawiki
[21:35:29] <DerPapst>	in brief: Download, extract, open it in your browser, do whatever it tells you, done.
[21:40:33] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: i threw a hole lot of links at you last time you asked that
[21:41:11] <Duesentrieb>	!xampp
[21:41:11] <mwbot>	XAMPP is am easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see <http://www.apachefriends.org/de/xampp.html>. For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see <http://tinyurl.com/2shgph> and also <http://www.nat32.com/xampp/wiki.htm>.
[21:42:11] <DerPapst>	where's the problem? it's just drag and drop :$
[21:42:48] <Duesentrieb>	some people need to be told what to grab, where to drag it, and how to drop it.
[21:43:17] <DerPapst>	heh
[21:44:19] <DerPapst>	dear... cygwin is doooooog slow :-/
[21:50:16] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Meta User rights log should be searchable with wildcards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11847  +comment (10axel9891)
[21:50:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter Meta userrights log by wiki and user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10545  +comment (10axel9891)
[21:54:51] <gmaxwell>	Is there some knob that needs to be enabled for user css i.e. User:Username/monobook.css  or is SVN head broken?
[21:55:08] <iMinute>	yes, there does
[21:55:45] <iMinute>	resists the urge to shout "RTFM" :P
[21:55:47] <iMinute>	one sec
[21:56:09] <iMinute>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowUserCss
[21:56:41] <gmaxwell>	iMinute, I thought it was on by default. :-/
[21:56:53] <XDuxaX>	yea thanks guys
[21:57:09] <XDuxaX>	Duesentrieb: yeah I lost the links, thanks though
[21:57:18] <Aaron|away>	gmaxwell: I've thought about normalizing rev_user_text
[21:58:44] <gmaxwell>	AaronSchulz, well how do you normalize it when all anonymous users have a uid of zero.. other than dropping UID 0_o ;)
[21:59:34] <AaronSchulz>	that was the problem ;)
[21:59:37] <iMinute>	mm
[22:00:05] <iMinute>	What does one mean by normalizing?
[22:00:29] <AaronSchulz>	iMinute: it means store things implicitly, don't repeat data
[22:00:50] <iMinute>	oh, right
[22:00:52] <AaronSchulz>	use foreign keys
[22:01:07] <iMinute>	couldn't you give ip addresses ids and store them in the user table?
[22:01:16] *AaronSchulz 	giggles
[22:01:29] <AaronSchulz>	iMinute: if you want massive breakage, yes
[22:01:37] <iMinute>	ok
[22:01:58] <gmaxwell>	AaronSchulz, whats a few more million UIDs between friends.
[22:02:17] <iMinute>	perhaps a seperate table and a flag saying anon table or user table
[22:02:21] <gmaxwell>	AaronSchulz, OTOH it would make it reasonable to give anons opaque persistant ID's rather than IPs, which may be desirable...
[22:03:31] <iMinute>	AaronSchulz: normalizing rev_user_text would break import...
[22:03:58] <AaronSchulz>	I though about that, you just join on export
[22:04:08] <AaronSchulz>	it's the anon issue that's the problem
[22:04:14] <AaronSchulz>	*thought
[22:04:27] <iMinute>	create table ips?
[22:04:48] <iMinute>	alter table users add isip boolean not null default true
[22:04:58] <iMinute>	in pseudosql
[22:20:08] <XDuxaX>	If I use XAMPP do I need to manually create a databse?
[22:20:41] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[22:20:42] <iMinute>	depends if you are using a superuser or not
[22:20:57] <DerPapst>	just let mediawiki create the database if you are the superuser
[22:20:58] <Duesentrieb>	well, no if you know the database's root password
[22:21:01] <Duesentrieb>	which you must set first
[22:21:23] <XDuxaX>	how do I set it? im setting it all up on the machine right in front of it.. so I have access to everything
[22:21:31] <XDuxaX>	front of me*
[22:21:46] <DerPapst>	then you have to give the superuser a password first
[22:21:59] <XDuxaX>	how?
[22:22:11] <DerPapst>	but that is explained in the xampp faqs how to do that in phpmyadmin
[22:22:17] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: it has been a while. i would expect xampp to either ask you during install, or give you a way to set the root pw for mysql somehow
[22:22:57] <DerPapst>	https://localhost/xampp
[22:23:03] <DerPapst>	there somewhere
[22:29:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Mypage and editintro from inputbox doesn't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11848 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Eneas)
[22:34:11] <FreeNom>	nite all!
[22:35:33] <CIA-36>	03aaron * r27126 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: *gah
[22:40:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page title is tricked by HTML-Entity in it - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11849 minor; lowest; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (saibot834)
[22:40:55] <CIA-36>	03aaron * r27127 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/Language/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.en.php: *Shorten message; not really needed here
[22:55:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Page title is tricked by HTML-Entity in it - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11849  minor->normal; lowest->normal; +comment (10azatoth)
[22:59:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Filter Meta userrights log by wiki and user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10545  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[23:33:50] <Jacroe>	I've read the Manuals for doing a /wiki/Page_Title but I can't seem to get it to work on my 1.11 installation on my XAMPP server. Could someone walk me through on doing it?
[23:37:26] <Duesentrieb>	Jacroe: a) decide on a method to use, don't mix them. b) when using rewriting, don't set a rewrite base (in 99% of real cases). c) put files in a DIFFERENT place than you want articles to be mapped to. d) do NOT map articles to the document root.
[23:37:29] <Duesentrieb>	does that help?
[23:37:41] <Duesentrieb>	perhaps, read the instructions again with these points in mind.
[23:37:52] <Jacroe>	ok i will
[23:40:25] <Jacroe>	How do I install mediawiki when I don't put in the htdocs folder?
[23:41:03] <Duesentrieb>	into the htdocs folder. but into a subfolder.
[23:41:27] <Duesentrieb>	and don't map articles directly into the webserver's /-path, but into /wiki/ or some such
[23:41:51] <Jacroe>	but in the htdocs foldre, et al /htdocs/w/ ?
[23:43:50] <Jacroe>	duesentrieb?
[23:44:24] <Duesentrieb>	/w is a good place for the files, yes
[23:45:56] <Jacroe>	k
[23:47:03] <HellHound>	This needs to be added to wikipedia!
[23:47:05] <HellHound>	Justin Timberlake got his lip split open in this video for mouthing off to a producer!!  http://members.on.nimp.org/?u=timecop   Crazy shit!!
[23:48:03] <ST47>	DON'T CLICK THAT
[23:48:05] <ST47>	!ops
[23:48:39] <Cometstyles>	hehe
[23:49:02] <Cometstyles>	i missed it :(
[23:54:24] <Jacroe>	who's the bot here that reported that when you said ops?
[23:54:33] <Jacroe>	st47?
[23:54:50] <Jacroe>	Oh got wiki working thanks Duesentrieb
[23:55:09] <ST47>	it's AntiSpamMeta 
[23:55:18] <Jacroe>	ah ok
[23:57:39] <Vexicity>	hey, I'm kinda new to mediawiki and funny enough I'm overwhemeled by all the documentation
[23:58:25] <Vexicity>	I was looking at editing the LocalSettings.php to make editing for registered users by approval of a higher user only
[23:59:00] <Duesentrieb>	!access | Vexicity 
[23:59:00] <mwbot>	Vexicity : For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[23:59:17] <Vexicity>	hmm
[23:59:23] <Vexicity>	I was looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[23:59:32] <Duesentrieb>	yes, not bad
[23:59:33] <Vexicity>	maybe I was in the wrong place lol
[23:59:38] <Duesentrieb>	no, right place
[23:59:40] <Duesentrieb>	look at both