[00:00:14] anyway, need to sleep [00:00:20] okay right, but here's my first problem lol [00:00:39] $wgGroupPermissions array [00:00:45] where do I add it [00:00:48] into the file [00:02:09] do you just declare it at the bottom? [00:02:31] yes [00:02:41] well, don't declare a new array [00:02:47] it already exists. add to it [00:02:52] just like the examples [00:03:42] I have in open in notepad++ and I see 122 lines [00:03:46] I don't see it in there [00:04:11] "exists" and "add to it" does not imply it's mentioned in the file. [00:04:40] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; <--- just do stuff like that [00:04:48] that sets/adds entries in the existing array [00:04:48] ah [00:04:54] gotcha [00:04:58] thank you very much [00:05:15] anywy, gn8 [00:05:19] nn [00:49:25] 03(NEW) Lj-user tag bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11850 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (klimaxpayne) [01:24:20] 03brion * r27128 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/ (mockup-template.svg run-template.php): [01:24:20] * proper alignment of the rectangle border [01:24:20] * use current values for progress bar [01:24:20] * show transparent placeholder peeps [01:26:54] 03brion * r27129 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/run-template.php: shorten ja to fit [01:36:21] 03brion * r27130 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/mockup-template.svg: rework styles a bit [01:37:34] 14(INVALID) Lj-user tag bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11850 +comment (10robchur) [02:55:00] hi hi, hoping this is an easy question... I've installed the ConfirmAccount extension, no issues. Very slick. But, I can't figure out how to assign users to a particular group [02:55:20] I've created a custom permissions array (editors) that I want to assign certain individuals to after their account is registered [02:56:02] SunRayCafe: Did you try the wiki page "Special:Userrights"? [02:56:07] I think this is core functionality, so not sure why I felt the need to mention the extension... in any case, that's where I ca, [02:56:27] ah hah, that's probably what I'm missing. Was looking through the Special:Specialpages list, didn't see anything that looked right [02:57:09] ah, because I haven't allowed it in the permissions array apparently. fixing... [03:12:42] 03(NEW) Feature request: make a way to search for cattegory intersections. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11851 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (daniellc) [03:51:00] Pathoschild: thanks! got it all going. That's what I was missing [03:54:03] 03gmaxwell * r27131 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: *Proper handling of default/current settings in link URLs. [06:40:32] 03rotem * r27132 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/svg/run-template.php: Hebrew translation. [07:09:48] hi, im lookin for assistance ;) just started my own wiki, and... well, i blocked account registration, so i have to register the few ppl i want invite to that project manually. can anyone tell me how i can edit the email thst is sent to these ppl with the registration in it? [07:15:02] (i navigate to Special:Userlogin&type=signup then fill in some stuff and then i click on 'by email'. i'd like to edit the mail that is then sent) [07:33:51] Hi! I hope there are some developers in here, because I think I found a bug and would like to discuss it with an expert before reporting or even fixing it. [07:35:11] Function get() in include/MessageCache.php normalises keys to look up in the message cache by changing the first char to lowercase. [07:36:00] Unfortunatelly this breaks PageProtect e.g. which expects to find its keys just the way they were put into the message cache. [07:36:29] why would you use message keys which aren't lowercase? [07:36:52] The documentation to this code is useless, it only documents what it does, not why. [07:37:11] flyingparchment: I do not. The author of PageProtect does. [07:37:42] And he might ask:"Why not searching for the key as I give it to you? I know what I do." [07:38:22] Furthermore, older versions permitted Uppercase Keys, at least 1.8 does. [07:39:02] Anyway. So you think the bug is in PageProtect's message array, right? [07:39:31] i didn't look at it closely, but it sounds like it [07:39:55] hi, im lookin for assistance ;) just started my own wiki, and... well, i blocked account registration, so i have to register the few ppl i want invite to that project manually. can anyone tell me how i can edit the email thst is sent to these ppl with the registration in it? [07:40:00] (i navigate to Special:Userlogin&type=signup then fill in some stuff and then i click on 'by email'. i'd like to edit the mail that is then sent) [07:42:02] flyingparchment: in my humble opinion it would be best then to enforce this behaviour by patching the function addmessages, that puts messages into the cache. This function should put normalised keys into the cache instead of unchanged arrays as it does now. [07:42:20] Do you agree? [07:43:09] I mean from a general "didn't look at the code closely" perspective ;-) [07:47:12] hi, im lookin for assistance ;) just started my own wiki, and... well, i blocked account registration, so i have to register the few ppl i want invite to that project manually. can anyone tell me how i can edit the email thst is sent to these ppl with the registration in it? [07:47:20] (i navigate to Special:Userlogin&type=signup then fill in some stuff and then i click on 'by email'. i'd like to edit the mail that is then sent) [07:58:08] Hansjoerg: Have you search mediawiki/language/* for the text of the mail you actually receive? Maybe there is a better way but thats how I would start. [07:58:35] just got around there by now ;) bit thanks! [08:01:26] hmhm... maybe i should send myself such an invitation ;) [08:04:53] <_wooz> lo [08:06:18] what did people configure wrong, if on their mediawiki "Speciel:Statistik?action=raw" (danish) works but "Special:Statistics?action=raw" doesnt [08:06:42] in the latter case you get an "index.php" offered for download which is empty [08:07:56] mutante: the latter is a redirect to the danish version; maybe you're not following it properly? (or it could be that action=raw causes the redirect to be wrongly omitted) [08:08:35] ha, finally got that text part :) thanks Caldrin! [08:08:49] 03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 +shell (10niklas.laxstrom) [08:09:32] hmm the guys at qweki.com decided to change something and now on their da. , it. and de. versions you can only get the localized language version of the Statistics link, my script which tries to gather the statistics could rely on the english version always working before, now it cant anymore... hrm [08:10:51] proper link could help [08:11:15] http://da.qweki.com/Special:Statistics?action=raw [08:11:50] same with it. and de. [08:12:55] haha, idiots [08:13:09] that's why you don't set up wikis on the domain root [08:13:10] while there is no problem with ja. or sv. for example [08:13:57] before all i needed to save was the languag prefix, now it would be complete links hrmm [08:15:21] mutante: their wiki is just broken [08:15:26] you can't even edit pages [08:15:40] ooops, ok :p [08:15:49] http://da.qweki.com/index.php?title=Forside&action=edit [08:16:35] oops, yes http://en.qweki.com/Special:Statistics?action=raw [08:16:48] maybe they are working on it right now,,ill just wait [09:13:08] Hi. I'm installing mediawiki 1.7.1 (ubuntu packaged) with PostgreSQL 8.2.5 but I can't get the web-based script to connect to the DB. I can do "psql wikidb wikiuser" just fine on the shell, but the PHP page keeps saying "No connection do database".... any hints? [09:15:14] vnevoa: at least you could first try more recent version [09:17:34] No thanks, don't want to screw around with the package system... will only do so in case of despair. Anyway, that's not a solution... ;) that's a shotgun approach. Can you please help me identify the problem first? I'd like to know where the logs are so I can see EXACTLY why the script can't connect.... [09:18:19] vnevoa: you don't want to screw around with unsupported software vesion [09:18:42] 1.7 is ancient and its pg support is probably very buggy even if you get it working [09:18:50] it's just archive which you extract to your some directory where webserver runs it [09:19:16] hmm... ok... [09:20:35] But I have this gut feeling that it's something very simple.... don't you have any hints? [09:20:45] Hello [09:25:12] on a Category: page, i get on the first page "There are 200 articles in this category." and the links (previous 200) (next 200) , when i click "next 200", i get "There are 133 articles in this category.". I think it should rather say "There are 333 articles in this category." on all pages [09:26:11] Is 1.10 recent enough? [09:26:22] should be [09:26:47] we generally recommend not installing from packages at all though.. it's hard to support because we don't know what the packagers to do the software [09:26:47] What's the latest stable? [09:26:52] 1.11 [09:27:14] :) [09:27:52] Mistrust... that's not a pretty thing among the free SW community... ;) [09:28:15] i don't mistrust anyone, but i can't help you with software i've never used. and i've never used packaged mediawiki. [09:28:20] (and most people here haven't either) [09:28:43] Ok, point taken. Thanks for the help. [09:29:09] apt-cache show mediawiki on a stable Debian box: Version: 1:1.7 :p [09:29:36] Maintainer: Mediawiki Maintenance Team [10:14:09] 03(NEW) Inconsistent handling of message cache key normalisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11852 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (osrc-sysint) [10:52:34] is it possible to make mediawiki only readable for those who have an account for the site? [10:53:35] never mind, I think we found it [11:03:29] 03(NEW) you can no longer specify date format using the "units" technique - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11853 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info) [11:05:07] 03(FIXED) linear value in factbox and list on Property page picks a random main unit - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11773 (10mak) [11:10:06] hi there [11:10:34] the left side menu, if a want to add a container there, how do i do this? [11:12:35] Are yu looking for this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar [11:14:06] Hi, I'm trying to read through code, though I'm unsure what "wfProfileIn()" does, and having difficulty locating additional information on this. [11:15:37] ah yes, thanks caldrin [11:21:22] Trevorf: nothing if you don't enable profiling [11:24:08] hi [11:24:26] Is there anywhere where I could read up on this? [11:25:08] i own a domain, its a typo domain to wikipedia.com, i was wondering if i can run the mediawiki software and the content on wikipedia? so users when come to my site will be able to use wikipedia [11:30:03] 03nikerabbit * r27134 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (5 files): * Bug fixes, more robust code, new message group [11:31:11] 03(FIXED) correcting bog message and updating french and english translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11787 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [11:31:53] 03mkroetzsch * r27135 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Linear.php: Allow selected display units to be non-canonical (Bug 11772), based on skierpage's patch. [11:32:21] 03(FIXED) Properties don't display using specified unit synonyms - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11772 (10mak) [11:46:32] can something be done about: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mutante http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Mutante?action=edit ? [11:48:19] 03nikerabbit * r27136 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslatePage.php: * Fix for bug 11100 [11:48:37] 03(FIXED) Cannot Fetch the message when URL use ?title= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11100 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [11:48:46] 03mkroetzsch * r27137 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Ignore limit setting "0" for some simple calls (Bug 11674) [11:48:48] 03(FIXED) Small bug in SMWSQLStore::getPropertiesSpecial() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11674 +comment (10mak) [11:54:14] 03rotem * r27138 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove all commas when parsing float numbers in sorted tables, patch from enwiki MediaWiki:Common.js by the user Patrick [12:10:14] 14(DUP) Feature request: make a way to search for cattegory intersections. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11851 +comment (10robchur) [12:10:15] 03(mod) Allow searching in intersections, etc. of categories - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5244 +comment (10robchur) [12:17:49] 03mkroetzsch * r27139 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Prevent some queries when involved pages do not exist, should also fix Bug 11694 [12:19:03] 03mkroetzsch * r27140 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: minor version number++ [12:20:12] 03(FIXED) ontoworld's Special:Browse thinks missing pages are in Category :Testpage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11694 (10mak) [12:43:35] 06(LATER) you can no longer specify date format using the "units" technique - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11853 normal->minor; +comment (10mak) [12:50:09] 14(WFM) Can not annotate with properties using Cyrillic letters (????? ??) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11804 +comment (10mak) [12:57:57] 06(LATER) UTF8-DB-Collation does not work with SMW - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11812 summary; +comment (10mak) [13:00:36] 03(NEW) Wikimedia squid error message needs update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11854 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ultrablue) [13:27:38] ugh [14:01:35] 03(mod) Can not annotate with properties using Cyrillic letters (????? ??) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11804 (10some_777) [14:10:30] hi everybody [14:11:02] is there a wikifarm script available the I just can download and install, so I can start providing? [14:13:55] anyone? [14:23:10] Hello, is there a mediawiki extension allowing to specify html meta keywords content, tag extension would be good. [14:28:56] Telemac: there seem to be a couple in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Tag_extensions [14:33:13] anyone want to see {{cite web}} in semi-parsed XML document tree form, just for kicks? [14:34:09] http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/cite_web.xml [14:34:22] why not? are you envisaging some closer integration with MW? [14:35:18] me? [14:35:39] yup [14:35:59] you can't get any closer than this... [14:36:31] I'm rewriting part of the core parser [14:37:03] I needed a memory-efficient document tree representation for temporary template storage, and I thought a libxml2 tree might do the trick [14:37:19] TimStarling: about time :) [14:37:21] PHP arrays are about the most inefficient data structures ever invented [14:37:45] NotACow: don't get too excited, it will have to be bug-for-bug compatible as far as possible [14:37:53] TimStarling: of course :) [14:38:36] TimStarling: the idea of reducing templates to XML was one i had about 18 months ago, but i've never put more than half an hour's thought into it at a time [14:39:03] at the moment I am actually generating the XML, but it's not exposed at all, it goes straight into a document tree [14:39:19] if it proves to be more efficient, I'll construct the document tree directly [14:39:26] TimStarling: and agree with php arrays being terribly inefficient [14:39:26] *TimStarling is not a big XML fan [14:39:40] TimStarling: i don't like xml much either, but it is a decently good bucket [14:39:47] so I'm using XML here with every bit of reluctance [14:39:51] "XML: remember it could be worse, it could be SGML" [14:39:55] haha [14:39:56] indeed [14:40:04] brion-office: please stop hurting me. [14:40:18] *NotACow still has scars from her last brush with SGML [14:40:18] 03mkroetzsch * r27141 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Merged messages 'smw_isspecprop' and 'smw_propertyspecial' (as requested in Bug 11660) [14:40:45] 03(FIXED) collapse smw_isspecprop and smw_propertyspecial - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11660 (10mak) [14:41:04] if I was working in C++, I could make my own tree, and XML wouldn't come into it [14:41:36] but in PHP you have to pick between various high-level tools, like regexes and XML [14:42:01] 03mkroetzsch * r27142 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageDe.php: Shortened labels for geographic lat/long so that they fint into a tooltip more easily [14:42:06] TimStarling: well, honestly, the parser really should probably be implemented in C and linked in as a native-code extension to PHP. :) [14:44:09] yeah, except what we call the "parser" actually has tendrils stretching out into much of what you might call the mediawiki framework [14:44:19] that means that people couldn't install the software if they didn't have root access, though, rightß [14:44:21] ? [14:44:35] tens of thousands of lines of code to do all sorts of things relating to the wiki and wikitext [14:45:11] it's not an easy job to decide where to put the line between C and PHP [14:46:48] so anyway, the project is coming along nicely, currently it's kind of starting to work, except for tag-like extensions [14:47:34] I'll get the bugs ironed out before I port #if and #switch over to the lazy initialised interface, then I'll be able to do a performance comparison [14:47:53] then we'll see if the work was worthwhile or if I'll just do a giant "svn revert" [14:49:13] bedtime [14:51:22] thx tim :D [14:51:50] hello! [14:52:29] I need some advise ... [14:54:05] Normunds: do ask... [14:56:19] Where I may make complain about administrator of the wiktionary? [14:56:26] howdy everyone! I'm looking at the importImages.php maintanenece script, and i'm wondering if there is an easy way to modify that to protect the image so only a sysop can replace it [14:59:31] Normunds: not here, this is a technical channel about the software wiktionary is using. see #wiktionary or #wikimedia if you don't find a more specific channel [14:59:53] thank you ;) [15:00:27] 03(mod) Property namespace is ill-formed in SemanticMediaiWiki RDF Dump - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11692 +comment (10mak) [15:04:43] 03(NEW) Upgrading - some page content not displayed. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11855 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (lmeneses) [15:05:20] 03(mod) Upgrading - some page content not displayed. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11855 (10lmeneses) [15:07:48] can mediawiki require a login to view the contents? [15:08:26] yes [15:09:20] ok good, and you can have one user level that can access and another read only? [15:10:01] sure, you could setup one group for read only, and the other for edit [15:10:49] awesome. Think I might implement it as a help manual for my companys software [15:21:55] would mediawiki be the ideal wiki software...or are there others I should consider as well? I am looking at Tiki now..was llinked to it from mediawiki manual [15:22:44] there are others, MediaWiki is the big one .. i've been happy with it [15:23:25] Yeah -- most are familiar w/ it as well , it seems like it should suit my needs [15:29:37] 03(mod) Install PDF Export extension on WMF wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11623 +comment (10FSNNDYHEXYAP) [15:34:03] This message just scared me a little...in terms of thinking that maybe i should look at other software: [15:34:03] If you need per-page or partial page access restrictions, you are advised to install an appropriate content management package. MediaWiki was not written to provide per-page access restrictions, and almost all hacks or patches promising to add them will likely have flaws somewhere, which could lead to exposure of confidential data. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [15:34:17] but it seems like i should be ok [15:34:34] bzw10 it's not entirely correct [15:35:43] how so? [15:35:49] 03(mod) Syntax extensions: special character for non-breaking space (  ) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3461 +comment (10wikibugs) [15:36:33] Per-page write and move restriction is possible [15:36:54] Per-page *read* restriction isn't possible [15:41:57] cu [15:48:13] Could someone here explain me what this UNIQ...QINU internal MW thing is? [15:49:03] in the parser? [15:49:39] while triing to work with the Parser Class it shows up as wiki text and it drives me nuts to find out what it does there and how it is generated. [15:49:40] yep [15:50:32] i want to catch everything that is embedded in a foobar tag and parse it. [15:50:53] RoanKattouw: Thanks for the info -- luckily I only need per page write :) [15:50:54] PunkRock look at www.mediawiki.org for parser tag extensions [15:51:01] bzw10 that's doable [15:51:03] really appreciate the help [15:51:04] awesome.. [15:51:24] going to tell the company to trash RoboHelp and use a wiki :b [15:59:09] RoanKattouw: thanks for the tip. i found this one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions [15:59:43] Yeah that's like {{#ask:sometext|param1|param2}} [15:59:55] my code is very similar. it just uses the setHook instead of the setFunctionHook [16:00:09] For text you need http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions [16:00:43] RoanKattouw: ok. looks good. [16:03:06] RoanKattouw: http://pastey.net/76340 [16:04:03] Right, and you're getting UNIQ-nnn-QINU crap? [16:04:08] yep] [16:04:23] instead of the ask tag. [16:04:31] looks like that: UNIQ56137e4a3a39dba4-ask-00000001-QINU [16:04:39] but changes every page reload [16:04:43] Yeah [16:04:57] what am i doing wrong. [16:05:04] /./?/ [16:05:24] Try to change 'ask' to something else [16:05:32] 'ask' might be reserved [16:05:49] the SMW ppl. do use it also in their Querys. [16:06:46] ok. i tried askbla [16:07:00] but it doesn't change the problem. [16:07:20] Strange [16:07:42] happy to hear that. [16:08:12] would the only reason to use dokuwiki over mediawiki be simplicity -- leave out the features i wont use? [16:08:16] its now UNIQ68cb3dbe5b4284ca-askbla-00000001-QINU the askbla is included. [16:08:27] Right [16:08:34] Then I don't really know what causes it [16:08:40] bzw10 what's docuwiki ;) ? [16:08:50] ok. thanks anyway RoanKattouw. [16:08:52] I've never heard of it (seriously, I haven't) [16:09:05] PunkRock there is a workaround [16:09:39] You could add something like marker-xx-ask-0-xx-marker instead of the code you want to add, and then str_replace() the markers in a ParserAfterTidy hook [16:09:48] http://www.wikimatrix.org/show/DokuWiki [16:09:52] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Redircite does this, for example [16:09:53] just checking out all the options [16:12:04] I've never worked with DocuWiki [16:12:08] Ok. Kewl! [16:12:31] I do know MediaWiki is pretty easy to maintain and does per-page edit (and move) restriction [16:12:34] Any other features you need? [16:13:51] Not that I can think of , brainstorming now though [16:14:53] for the pages that you do allow editting -- you can still set it so that you have to approve the changes before they populate, correcT? [16:17:25] ah. i remember that i parsed the tags for my own before. but i thought it's maybe better to use the MW API for that and therefore use the Parser class. [16:18:50] bzw10 no, changes are live immediately [16:19:01] You can watch a page and get an e-mail the moment it changes [16:19:12] ahh... [16:19:26] The wiki way is more like: you can always rollback/revert stuff [16:19:30] that you know of, are there any wiki packages that allow you to confirm changes ? [16:19:31] That's kind of the mentality here [16:19:33] ah.. [16:19:35] makes sense roan [16:19:57] That I know of, there aren't any other wiki packages except MW and the one you just told me about ;) [16:20:19] MediaWiki > Everything Else [16:20:22] bzw10 MW does allow sysops (administrators) to undo an edit with one click [16:21:48] minute : Good to note :b [16:22:04] Non-sysops must click two links. :P [16:22:12] RoanKattouw: that should be sufficient...makes sense...would be much of a hassle to have to approve everything [16:22:51] There isn't a way to make the core of a page non editable...bt the rest is open, is there? hehe [16:23:07] bzw10 there is some way [16:23:21] Say you have page A (whole page, unprotected) and page B (core page, protected) [16:23:35] In page A, you can just do {{B}} somewhere, and the contents of page B will appear [16:24:01] Of course some vandal could remove the {{B}} thing, but in that case rollback is your friend [16:24:09] RoanKattouw: this UNIQ tag should be replaced by the clearState function, am i right? [16:24:18] I have absolutely no idea [16:26:02] this UNIQ thing looks like a one to one identifier. [16:26:19] cool RoanKattouw [16:26:21] $this->mUniqPrefix = "\x07UNIQ" . Parser::getRandomString(); [16:26:33] Yeah it is [16:27:17] yes. i am triing to know what the code is doing there. [16:27:26] /know/learn/ [16:28:11] hi [16:28:17] brion are you around? [16:30:01] and this weird output is generated from this line: $marker = "$uniq_prefix-$element-" . sprintf('%08X', $n++) . '-QINU'; [16:31:43] brion would you mind incorporating http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Cool+Cat&site=en.wikipedia.org to "White Cat". [16:31:46] 03catrope * r27143 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/includes/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [16:31:46] apiedit: [16:31:46] * Using ApiBase::requestWriteMode() in state-changing modules [16:31:46] * Moving Database::commit() calls from the Article class to the modules [16:31:52] Yuo said a while ago that the problem would sovle itself [16:31:56] well, it hasnt [16:38:46] RoanKattouw: i thought that i had deactivated the cache but the log tells me: "OutputPage::sendCacheControl: private caching;" and "Parser cache: FakeMemCachedClient" [16:38:59] That's weird [16:39:11] And you'd deactivated the parser cache? (Which is evil anyway) [16:39:24] Check that you haven't misspelled the setting in LocalSettings.php [16:39:28] sendcachecontrol is about Cache-Control, a header that tells browsers/proxies not to cache the content [16:39:30] i'll paste it. [16:39:35] it's not related to parser cache (much) [16:40:19] http://pastey.net/76346 [16:40:50] false should be lowercase IIRC, dunno if it matters though [16:41:15] it doesn't. [16:41:21] Hmm [16:41:26] You spelled them correctly [16:41:34] Are you sure the cache is still enabled? [16:41:43] are you sure fakememcachedclient actually does anything? [16:42:03] Maybe it's just a dummy cacher [16:42:26] the usual standard parser cache is mediawikibagostuff, iirc [16:44:31] http://pastey.net/76347 [16:44:52] thats what the debug log tells me. [16:45:09] Tidy error detected! [16:45:14] line 36 [16:45:29] Maybe your hook caused that one [16:45:46] in which cases is this triggered? [16:46:09] Dunno [16:46:16] Best course of action is probably: [16:46:34] - Grep the source for "Tidy error detected!" and find out which piece of code throws it [16:46:42] - Do a debug_print_backtrace(); there [16:47:04] ok. [16:47:10] sounds reasonable. [16:48:16] if( is_null( $correctedtext ) ) { [16:48:21] thats it. [16:48:51] Raymond_afk: .properties files are latin-1. not utf8! [16:50:05] White_Cat: #wikimedia-tech [16:50:26] hello [16:50:28] my mediawiki dont have a skin [16:50:30] Hello [16:50:36] ? That's weird [16:50:40] http://aciid.eu/wiki/ [16:50:44] The monobook skin should be there [16:50:59] i have now used the chick skin [16:51:07] You set your default skin to "chick" [16:51:08] both dont work [16:51:21] yes, but before, it was uggly, and now to :s [16:51:22] Try setting it to "monobook"; [16:51:42] 03river * r27144 10/trunk/tools/toolserver-sso/web/WEB-INF/ (classes/i18n_de.properties jsp/langselect.jsp): [16:51:42] - add German to langselect [16:51:42] - convert i18n_de.properties from utf-8 to escaped format [16:52:19] ok, i did, but, its isnt good i think [16:53:04] Check your style paths [16:53:26] ok [16:53:30] where? [16:53:47] LocalSettings.php [16:54:00] The wiki now thinks the images are in /wiki/skins/common/images/ [16:54:12] If that's not the case, change the settings or move the images [16:55:52] http://aciid.eu/wiki/skins/common/images/poweredby_mediawiki_88x31.png [16:55:55] :s i ghad a type mistake [17:01:28] it works, bye [17:05:54] RoanKattouw: thats a real hard one. [17:06:10] look at this line: if( $cleansource == '' && $text != '') { [17:06:38] but $text isn't empty. [17:06:56] ah. [17:07:05] thats not the problem. sorry. [17:10:06] RoanKattouw: i think i hunted it down. [17:10:54] the function externalTidy (i don't know why it is used) calls a program tidy that is not installed on the system. [17:11:42] $wgEnableHTMLTidy = false; (IIRC) prevents this [17:12:48] i installed tidy but it doesnt change the core of the problem. [17:12:58] man i am doing shotgun debugging here. [17:14:35] 03(NEW) When importing a page, "Semantic Information" are not imported. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11856 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (peter.simpsons) [17:15:28] RoanKattouw: lol. finally i got the tidy error hunted down. [17:15:52] but this fine UNIQ thing stays. [17:16:18] dunno. i feel like criing. mother, pls. help me. [17:16:21] hell. [17:34:00] 03(NEW) Protect Functionality for importImage. php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (axelseaa) [17:34:56] 03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 (10axelseaa) [17:48:07] Question,... im running MediaWiki Setup... at that page its asking me for Database Name, Username, Password.... how do I find those out, or set them up? [17:48:24] im using a fresh install of Xampplite [17:48:32] !xamp [17:48:36] !xampp [17:48:36] XAMPP is an easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see . For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see and also . [17:50:30] minute: there is nothing that answers my question on either of those pages... all it says is "Fill it out and press Install" [17:50:35] but I dunno how to fill it out [17:51:09] the superuser for xampplite is "root" and the password is blank by default, but [17:51:17] MediaWiki doesn't allow blank DB password [17:51:24] so you will have to set a password for that [17:51:41] how do I do that? [17:51:45] go to http://127.0.0.1/xampplite to do that (IIRC, it's been a while since I've used XAMPPlite) [17:52:46] via phpMyAdmin? [17:53:06] mmmh, no [17:53:21] try http://127.0.0.1/ then if the above won't work... [17:54:08] that takes me to MediaWiki Set Up page [17:55:58] <_< [17:57:20] fool [17:58:00] k i went to PHPMYADMIN and set password for "root" account [17:58:02] now it worked [18:01:37] Hi [18:01:47] Hi Soroush [18:02:18] Hi RoanKattouw, How are you? [18:02:25] Fine, thanks [18:04:01] hooe be be fine forever :) [18:04:54] Hi, Nikerabbit. [18:05:14] hi Soroush [18:06:01] Nikerabbit, I tested that code and added sth to it too [18:06:10] You must remember it [18:06:11] http://che.sharif.edu/%7Emesri/iranian-afghan-enhancement.txt [18:06:36] Nikerabbit, I mean your code for Persian calendar [18:06:57] I know [18:07:07] Nikerabbit, What's your idea about it? [18:07:18] we, you and hojjat should probably iron out the detais sometime [18:08:09] Nikerabbit, Yes. I've mailed hojjat. He will answer tonight [18:08:20] I tested the code. It works fine [18:08:59] I've asked 2 other fa.wikipedia admins too to get sure of any possible problem [18:09:20] but I'm not sure about some lines like " xiA A (month name) in Iranian calendar for Afghan users" [18:13:06] oh. I'd got DC. I might have missed sth. Please copy it if it was concerned to me [18:13:20] was [18:17:32] Soroush: well, we could talk for example about locales [18:18:39] Nikerabbit, great. [18:19:19] Nikerabbit, Fa.wikipedia isn't the only language which will change [18:20:37] I can do write the texts for other langs except some ones using 2 kind of script simultaneously [18:21:03] ku uses both Perso-Arabic and latin script [18:22:03] Nikerabbit, I'm not sure about it. Maybe sb from ku.wikipedia can help us [18:35:57] Nikerabbit, However we don't need to change all messagesXX or messagesXXX at once and it can be done in future too [18:36:16] now we can do it for the ones we are sure [18:42:08] 03(NEW) Freezes up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 04CRIT; high; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (maryethomp2005) [18:45:05] 03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 +comment (10axelseaa) [18:45:39] 03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 +comment (10axelseaa) [18:46:36] 03(mod) Freezes up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 +comment (10Platonides) [18:47:35] 03(mod) Protect Functionality for importImage.php Maintenance Script - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11857 +need-review +patch (10Platonides) [18:51:22] 03mkroetzsch * r27145 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_WikiPage.php: Tolerate [[ ]] as part of page title values (Bug 11666) [18:51:28] 03(FIXED) unescaped page name makes smw_notitle error confusing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11666 (10mak) [18:54:34] 03(mod) Freezes up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 +comment (10cannon.danielc) [18:56:12] Has yurik been around recently? [18:57:28] 03(mod) Freezes up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 +comment (10Soroush83) [19:05:19] 03(mod) Freezes up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11858 (10maryethomp2005) [19:05:59] Hi... [19:06:36] I just finished an upgrade in a private wiki from ver 1.6 to 1.11, and it seemed to be allright until I tested the wiki... [19:06:57] Hello [19:07:00] It shows an error message: [19:07:02] Warning: array_merge() [function.array-merge]: Argument #1 is not an array in /home/candeias/public_html/bibliowiki/includes/normal/UtfNormal.php on line 238 [19:07:11] and fails to recognize all the variables [19:07:43] see it at http://bibliowiki.com.pt [19:07:53] please help! [19:08:00] candeias: What version of php are you using? [19:08:20] 5.2.2 [19:08:40] i heard bcts can now desysop users locally, so no need for steward, is it correct? [19:09:26] Danny_B: that's news to me; i find that hard to believe [19:09:36] Danny_B: On Wikimedia? I don't believe so [19:09:51] candeias: Just a second [19:10:02] i thought so... [19:10:16] thx for confirmation [19:11:08] candeias: What method did you use to updrade? Did you run update.php or use the installer? [19:11:28] I ran update php in a Java telnet shell [19:11:46] and it said it was all OK [19:14:17] candeias: Hmm .. it sounds like UtfNormalData.inc is not getting run for some reason [19:15:13] candeias: Try navigating to includes/normal . Type make clean and make, and then run UtfNormalGenerate.php [19:15:15] perhaps it ain't there [19:16:49] make clean and make are a sequence, right? [19:17:04] candeias: Yes "make clean" then "make" [19:17:04] (not quite savvy in linux commands... bear with me) [19:17:06] First make clean, then make [19:17:10] Not a problem :) [19:18:08] Hm... it says "make: *** No rule to make target 'clean'. Stop. [19:18:24] O.o [19:18:34] Are you in the includes/normal directory? [19:18:44] Verify that there's a file called Makefile in there [19:18:51] oh... [19:18:53] sorry [19:20:13] (this one was silly of me --- I cd'd to the wrong dir) [19:20:47] hm... [19:20:53] ok, make clear and make did work [19:20:59] make clean [19:21:03] not "clear" :) [19:21:44] and so did the php [19:22:03] Alright, then run upate.php again, and try it again [19:22:05] Now check that there's a new file called UtfNormalData.inc [19:22:22] Do his first^ :) [19:23:05] Hi [19:23:11] Hi Wikiken123 [19:23:55] yeah, the file is there, the update.php script has ran [19:24:02] Good [19:24:09] Now your wiki should work [19:24:14] ... and... [19:24:23] the wiki seems to be working swell now [19:24:24] Hi, could someone help me? [19:24:28] allrighty! [19:24:30] :) [19:24:32] candeias: Great to hear :) [19:24:32] Vicent what's your problem? [19:24:35] *Vincent [19:24:41] http://nl.wikigta.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:24:42] thanks [19:24:48] Vicent Nederlander? [19:24:49] np [19:24:51] how does that working [19:24:52] ja [19:25:02] Mooi, is weer wat makkelijker [19:25:13] Wat is je vraag? [19:25:18] hihi, weet jij hoe ik dat kan toepassen op een wiki? [19:25:27] Die hoofdpagina in vier delen? [19:25:32] dat alleen mods/beheerders kunnen bewerken [19:25:36] Oh dat [19:26:06] Als het goed is zie je (als beheerder) boven elke pagina, naast "bewerken" ook iets als "toegang beperken" of iets in die richting [19:26:12] In het Engels is het "protect" [19:26:39] dat weet ik [19:26:51] Oh bedoel je voor *alle* pagina's ? [19:26:59] maar alle speciale pagina's etc. kunnen alleen ingezien worden door mods [19:27:05] er is namelijk ook geen balk [19:27:26] Nee dat van die balk ligt aan de skin [19:27:39] Oh ik weet al hoe ze dat doen denk ik [19:27:52] @search access [19:27:52] Results: [access, lockdown, oversight, preventaccess, preventingaccess, session, shell, wiki] [19:27:54] !access [19:27:54] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [19:28:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#1.10_upwards [19:28:27] Je kunt per naamruimte instellen welke groepen erin mogen editen [19:28:41] Hmm... ok [19:29:03] Bijv. $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_MAIN] = array('sysop', 'bureaucrat'); // Alleen sysops en bureaucrats kunnen editen [19:29:29] dank RoanKattouw :) [19:29:39] Geen probleem [19:29:50] Let wel op though: in andere naamruimtes kunnen ze dan nog wel editen [19:29:51] Wow, it's like some bizarre mix of English and German :) [19:30:13] Je kunt het ook zo instellen dat onbevoegden *helemaal niet* kunnen editen: [19:30:19] hahahahahahahahahha [19:30:24] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; [19:30:32] Dutch amidaniel ;) [19:30:33] $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false; [19:30:51] Vincent: I figured as much .. such a cute little language :) (no offense intended :D) [19:31:29] ik geef het ff door aan onze developer [19:31:53] LOL, amidaniel ;) [19:34:04] Vincent die regels moet ie dan toevoegen aan LocalSettings.php [19:34:30] ik gaf net de link door via msn aan hem [19:37:21] 03mkroetzsch * r27146 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_GeoCoords.php: More tolerant geo-coords parsing (Bug 11679) [19:38:12] 03(FIXED) Geographic coordinate requires degree symbol, other compact format issues - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11679 +comment (10mak) [19:41:29] re [20:26:53] hello all [20:27:43] i'm trying to set URLs in mediawiki to support Arabic script to no avail [20:27:49] hi simsim [20:28:20] i don't know whether it's a server setting or a browser one [20:28:34] i can't help you though :( [20:29:12] technically you mean? [20:29:23] yep [20:29:23] simsim: It should already support Arabic; when you type it into the address bar, the browser will automatically URL-encode it (so you get a lot of %XX%XX%XX...), and MediaWiki should display the proper Arabic text on the page itself. [20:29:54] For example: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9 [20:29:55] Pathoschild, actually it doesn't [20:30:04] What does it do? [20:30:37] yes, only Opera shows the characters correctly.. IE & Firefox don't [20:31:30] this how it's shown in Opera: [20:31:31] http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/_ [20:31:51] Perfectly behavior [20:31:54] It shows the Arabic in the URL itself? [20:31:56] sorry perfect [20:32:06] try it yourself [20:32:33] it's a nightmare both for readability & SEO to show chracters in that ugly aay [20:32:36] way* [20:33:56] You can have a link with Arabic text (ie, http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الصفحة_الرئيسية ), but Firefox is correct in its behaviour; a real URL can technically only contain roman characters. [20:35:27] well, is this acorrdinng to some standard? [20:36:05] How to add extra stuff to the bottom of each article automatically? I've viewed a number of extensions and they do it various ways; what's the "best" way to do this? [20:38:54] simsim: I assume so; I'm searching, but can't find anything relevant. [20:39:20] Pathoschild, I'm searching as well :) [20:39:42] simsim: This w3.org page *mentions* the standard, but not where it's defined: [20:39:56] "To map the wide range of characters used worldwide into the 60 or so allowed characters in a URI,..." -- http://www.w3.org/International/O-URL-code.html [20:40:42] i suppose non-roman characters should be restricted only in the domain name )TLDs, etc.), but not in other parts of URLs [20:41:23] No, because then you have accessibility problems; a page with an Arabic address, for example, would be completely inaccessible to browsers without Arabic script support. [20:41:49] Whereas if one encoding is standard, every browser can easily access any page on the Web. [20:42:52] MediaWiki default's encoding is utf-8. Doesn't that shall relove any language issues? [20:43:01] *reslove [20:43:24] UTF-8 is very broad; it essentially aims to include every character used on the planet. [20:43:34] Most browsers don't support all of UTF-8. [20:46:43] With all honesty, this is very disappointing! [20:47:39] So i assume non-Roman based languages can't jump on the SEO bandwagon :( [20:48:18] Well, there are a few main problems with full Unicode support: [20:48:20] 1. Unicode is not complete. [20:48:22] 2. Browser = 2MB; full Unicode support = 100MB (pure guess). [20:48:55] Usually browser support depends on the operating system's support, which is usually very good in Linux and very poor in Windows. [20:49:22] For example, I can easily view Arabic (and understand nothing), whereas many Arabic readers on Windows can't see it. [20:49:45] I see.. then what do you think Opera has done to support non-roman characters in URLs? [20:49:50] So, anyway. As I said at the beginning of this conversation, the problem isn't with MediaWiki. :) [20:50:19] simsim: I'm guessing they just hide the "real" URL, and show a user-friendly URL. [20:50:20] I wasn't assuming so :) [20:51:41] re [20:52:53] It's really awesome.. I just checkd it shows all non-roman URLs on all wikipedia versions [20:53:03] 03brion * r27147 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) [20:53:03] Checking in intermediate work on SVG templatizer. [20:53:03] NoticeRender class runs an SVG template through MediaWiki's brace expansion, filling in args and allowing parser functions to be used for some customization (RTL flipping, highlighting of the progress bar). [20:53:03] Sample templatized version of the .svg in svg/ provided. [20:53:05] Still need to: [20:53:07] * Integrate rasterization via inkscape [20:53:09] * Make it pull in the localized strings [20:54:14] thank you so much Pathoschild, your help is really appreciated [20:54:38] Welcome. [20:55:28] simsim: I just found the standard, by the way: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-2 [20:59:26] thanls Pathoschild. And I just found a valuable reference, as usual on Wikipedia: [20:59:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name [21:00:58] :D [21:13:07] <^demon> Is wgCurRevisionId the ID of the current page being shown, or the most recent ID for that page? [21:14:45] ^demon: is sais revision id, right? though it's an Evil Global, don't use it if you can avoid it [21:15:07] <^demon> That's what I thought, thanks. [21:18:14] 03(mod) Ability to preview summary in "Upload file" page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2537 +comment (10smjg) [21:20:15] where can i find more info on user 'groups' / permissions / protecting pages? [21:20:29] !rights | fridgid [21:20:29] fridgid : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [21:20:36] ty [21:20:39] Welcome. [21:21:52] in the group permissions array, i don't need ti run a command to 'create' a group no? i just add a line and its done? [21:22:05] $wgGroupPermissions[‘group’][‘right’] = boolean;" << just change group to something else and its created? [21:22:37] Yep. [21:23:02] For example, see the example on that page where a "ninja" group is created. [21:23:14] is there a way to protect a page such that only the author and a few groups and edit it? [21:23:24] example: i have pages that will list modules for my wiki [21:23:39] i want it so that only THAT modules author and sysops/buerocrats can edit it [21:23:42] is this possible? [21:23:57] Well~, it's possible to protect a *namespace* so that only certain groups can edit it. If you have one namespace per module, yes. [21:24:08] For example, "ModuleXYZ:Page name". [21:24:26] namespace is a page right? [21:24:27] yes [21:24:39] they are entire pages Module:xxxx [21:24:55] A namespace is a collection of pages with a common prefix recognized by MediaWiki; for example, "Category:" or "User:". [21:24:57] but i would have to create a group for that author per module [21:25:05] Articles are in the "" namespace. [21:25:19] hmm ok [21:25:22] Yes, and you'd have to create the namespace in LocalSettings.php too. [21:25:27] but if they all start with Module that wouldn't work [21:25:38] because Module: is a namespace [21:25:46] No, you'd have something like "Math101:Introduction". [21:25:55] (Assuming you had a module for Math 101). [21:26:06] so far my naming scheme has been Module:xx1 Module:xxx2 [21:26:14] but those are all inside the same namespace [21:26:35] MediaWiki isn't really designed for access control; it's possible, but not particularly robust. [21:27:30] well heres my main problem, each modules page will contain a download link, and i wanted a way to prevent 'dirty' downloads of the modules so that only authors / important people could edit it [21:27:51] is there a way to lock sections of a page? [21:28:23] no. you could lock an included template, though. [21:28:31] Well, there's . [21:28:40] See the big red warning, though. :) [21:29:18] yar @ big warning >_> [21:29:47] well is there any creative ways to protect a link on a page [21:29:51] its just one link [21:30:12] or better question, can you protect uploaded content? [21:30:46] Yes, you can. [21:31:20] Even more secure, upload to a different content management system with proper access control, and link to the download page from MediaWiki. [21:32:28] hmm, well i don't need authorization or anything, but if the wiki is truely open edit it would lead to people rewriting the download link to keyloggers or other malicious stuff, thats all i wanted to prevent [21:32:46] frigid you said something about protecting an article so only the author can edit it? [21:32:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditOwn [21:33:53] yeah, im still new to implementing wikis, but i just have a handful of pages where users would create modules and then upload them onto their own page, and i just wanted a way to protect those module links from spam/keyloggers [21:34:15] RoanKattouw, that looks nice [21:34:58] that extension looks perfect, is there a way to change a page's owner? [21:35:23] fridgid: "owning" pages is somewhat contrary to the idea of a wiki [21:35:35] !cms | fridgid [21:35:35] fridgid : You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [21:36:00] yeah, its nothing super secret, i just don't want rogue links [21:37:19] fridgid: preventing spam is very different from preventing other users to edit [21:37:23] !spam [21:37:23] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Spam [21:37:32] !access [21:37:32] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [21:37:33] yeah i suppose so [21:37:56] ok, well somebody said something about being able to make templates and locking them? [21:38:25] to do what? [21:39:02] i need to post download links to custom made user modules but don't want them to get edited into dirty links [21:39:14] i guess i'll post a giant 'scan your shit' at the top of the pages [21:40:09] fridgid I think I know what they mean with the template thing [21:40:19] kif you want to post stuff, and don't want it to get ewdited, don't use a wiki [21:41:02] 03rainman * r27148 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (31 files in 12 dirs): [21:41:02] Highlighting, work in progress: [21:41:02] * Intoduce the appropriate iid type, parallels the regular index structure [21:41:02] * ExtToken is the main class for extended token properties needed for [21:41:02] highlighting, uses efficient (de)serialization [21:41:03] * Importer now supports creation of highlight (.hl) indexes [21:41:07] * Fixed minor bugs with wildcard queries [21:41:36] Duesentrieb: What do you think of merging !rights and !access, since they're essentially complementary? [21:41:52] fridgid what about preventing anonymous users to edit? [21:41:58] People will have to log in to edit [21:42:02] i've done that [21:42:12] And you can block their accounts with two clicks if they vandalize something [21:42:18] yup [21:42:22] And undo all their edits with one click per edit [21:42:25] aye [21:42:29] Pathoschild: you mean th pages, or the factoids? [21:42:40] The factoids. [21:42:48] !access [21:42:48] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [21:42:48] yea, go ahead [21:42:55] !rights [21:42:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [21:43:05] i didn't want anything like super secure, im not protecting anything major, but i just saw an easy entry for vandals, i know thats countrary to a wiki and all, but it seems fairly important [21:43:09] I don't suppose there's any way to redirect one? [21:43:21] Pathoschild I don't think so [21:43:26] We can always make them identical [21:43:31] Pathoschild: aliases are possible [21:43:32] is that just an infobot? [21:43:32] !help [21:43:32] Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn [21:43:40] though you could backwhack it [21:43:53] Whee. [21:43:55] it's a homebrewn bot [21:44:06] !rights del [21:44:06] Successfully removed keyword: rights [21:44:13] !rights alias access [21:44:13] Successfully added alias: rights [21:44:17] !rights [21:44:17] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [21:44:20] !access [21:44:20] For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [21:44:47] RoanKattouw, Pathoschild: please join #mwbot and do any excessive bot feeding/testing there [21:45:02] !access is For information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . For information on configuring user permissions, see [21:45:02] Keyword "access" already exists. Use "!access del" to remove it. [21:45:12] *RoanKattouw growls [21:57:56] Hello. I want to upgrade from 1.7.1. to SVn, I suppose I can follow the usual upgrade process, just I download from SVN instead of downloading a tarball, right? [21:59:19] skiidoo: in theory, yes. in practice, latest head may always be broken. [21:59:45] i recommend to use the latest stable (can be done via svn too). or at least stick with the revisions used by wikipedia (and check every few days) [22:00:40] Hmm that makes sense... [22:02:04] Duesentrieb: Could mwbot be easily ported to other channels? [22:02:44] Pathoschild: i don't know, look at the source code. there are dozents of infobot-thingies out there though [22:03:15] for example http://www.infobot.org/ [22:03:47] *Pathoschild looks. [22:04:54] 03(NEW) UTF Database Creation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (axelseaa) [22:05:02] 03(mod) UTF8 Database Creation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11859 summary (10axelseaa) [22:17:13] How do I delete a user from my Wiki? [22:18:53] XDuxaX: Deleting a user is usually a bad idea (there are problems with consistency, unless you carefully delete every reference to the user in every table); a better solution is to rename the user (if you don't want the name listed in Special:Listusers) or block them (if you don't want them to edit). [22:19:24] well a coworker made a name, but he didnt realize it was going to capitalize the first letter [22:19:33] so, i want to either change it to all lower case [22:19:39] or to delete it so that he can make another name [22:19:52] he hasnt made any pages or anything [22:20:01] if there are no edits made by that user, you can just delete it from the user table [22:20:12] i think there's even a tool for that in the maintenance dir. but i'm not sure [22:20:15] how do I acceess it? [22:20:23] MediaWiki by default automatically capitalizes the first letter of user names (and other pages), so you'll need to change that before he can have a lowercase user name. [22:20:48] XDuxaX: how do you access the user table? like any database table. using your favorite mysql client. [22:21:06] what about renaming them? do I have t odo it from the database table too? [22:21:20] No, you can use the wiki page "Special:Renameuser". [22:21:23] XDuxaX: there's an extension for renaming users [22:21:35] note that it's not too great for consistency either, but should be ok in your case [22:22:04] and, afaik, all-lower-case user names are not possible. not even if you set CapitalLinks=false [22:22:33] well he named it like this "steve.jobes" [22:22:40] it made it into "Steve.jobes" [22:22:48] he wants it to be either "Steve" or "Steve.Jobes" [22:23:07] so for the Special:Renameuser it says "invalid special page" =/ [22:23:27] it's an extension [22:23:29] install it [22:23:30] !extensions [22:23:30] MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for details on writing an extension and for an overview of known extensions. [22:23:55] if he hasn't edit, changing the username in the users table should do it [22:24:25] Platonides: probably, but i wouldn't bet on it. [22:24:31] k, im not that good with the database stuff.. ill go in there.. is it an obvious entry? [22:24:39] Platonides: and if he needs to ask how to access the table, he probably shouldn't mess with it [22:24:47] lol [22:24:54] Duesentrieb ur prolly right [22:24:56] XDuxaX: user.usr_name is fairly obvious. [22:25:03] bu go with the extension. [22:25:09] i just want to do this the simpliest way... and im afraid this extension stuff will mess things up =/ [22:25:38] depends on the extensions [22:25:44] looking at the author helps [22:25:53] Ævar [22:26:17] in this case - one of the code devs (what happened to him anyway? havn't seen him in a while) [22:26:28] *core devs [22:26:29] bah [22:26:49] good question, i have no idea [22:27:10] Duesentrieb: heh, who are all the "core" devs? [22:27:13] ;) [22:27:26] brion and tim come to mind first [22:27:39] sure, they are official [22:27:44] btw, Duesentrieb, have you seen the https://jira.ts.wikimedia.org/browse/WIKISENSE-2 bug? [22:27:49] other than that - oh, idunno. count commits or something [22:27:55] haha [22:27:55] rob comes to mind, too [22:27:57] i'd also add Rob [22:28:01] commit count = edit cound [22:28:06] *count :) [22:28:08] indeed :P [22:28:16] ok, time for whitespace cleanup [22:28:34] Platonides: yes. no time currently. will try to have some shortly. can't promise [22:28:42] can anyone walk me through the extension installation? like tell me exactly which one I need to grab and where to put it? [22:29:00] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser [22:29:03] ok, i simply wanted to check you were aware of it [22:29:06] read the manual on extensions [22:29:25] Platonides: yea, thanks for reporting it [22:29:42] it's probably a silly little bug. which doiesn't mean it's easy to spot [22:29:46] it was reported on eswiki-l [22:30:00] i simply checked it and transferred to jira :) [22:30:09] hmm, it says "Check out all extension files from Subversion, and place them in a Renameuser directory within your MediaWiki extensions directory" what exactly does that mean? [22:30:28] more specifically waht are these extension files from Subversion [22:30:44] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ [22:30:52] bah, the subversion bit sucks [22:31:09] XDuxaX: just grab it here: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/ [22:31:23] ah, i even told the bot [22:31:28] !bundles [22:31:28] unofficial bundles of extensions are at . Note that these are random snapshots and may contain a completely broken version of the extension. [22:31:32] oh, you have them packet :o [22:31:46] how nice [22:31:50] unofficial [22:31:55] have beendoing that for a while now [22:32:09] i should do it for branches/tags, though [22:32:09] k so I grabbed the Renameuser.tgz do i put that into Renameuser directory within the Mediawiki extensions directory? [22:32:13] well, i didn't know ;) [22:32:17] random snapshots are not so terribly usefull :) [22:32:23] XDuxaX, and untar it [22:32:49] Duesentrieb, it's easily scriptable to have them latest instead of random :D [22:32:51] k [22:33:12] Platonides: they are latest. which is random, in a sense. [22:33:23] arbitrary as opposed to reviewd# [22:33:31] not more than fetching from svn [22:33:36] yes [22:33:41] exactly like fetching them from trunk [22:33:59] though we do have release branches for extensions since 1.10 or something [22:34:13] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php?revision=27085&view=markup was updated 31 october, but tar is from 9 oct [22:34:25] you miss the halloween updates ;) [22:34:32] k so should it be like this "wiki\extensions\Renameuser\*.files*" or should it be like this "wiki\extensions\*.files*" ? [22:34:53] XDuxaX, the first [22:35:04] although you shouldn't have too much problem with the latter [22:35:18] apart of identifying which file belong to which extension [22:35:21] Platonides: its updated whenever i feel like it :) [22:35:27] it's not a cron job [22:35:38] should i make it daily? [22:36:02] no idea [22:36:15] " Platonides: they are latest. which is random, in a sense. [22:36:49] hmm so i did that and it still gives me Special:Renamesure is an invalid special page [22:37:05] XDuxaX, you need to point to it on localsettigns.php [22:37:13] og [22:37:15] roh* [22:37:16] right [22:37:42] Platonides: ok, croned it weekly [22:37:48] (update runnign now) [22:38:11] XDuxaX: make sure the files are readable too [22:39:13] yep it works [22:39:16] cool thanks guys [22:39:44] What is the Special: for the left menu ? [22:40:03] mediaweki:sidebar ? [22:40:10] Hum [22:40:31] Yes :) [22:40:53] And a little question, there is an extension for put target="_blank" for all external link ? [22:42:01] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-November/034536.html [22:42:48] Julia, see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/24535 [22:43:17] Sorry I'm French, so difficult for find the goods keywords [22:49:18] huh - this just in: http://www.jimbojw.com/wiki/index.php?title=Popup_links_in_MediaWiki_to_new_window [22:49:55] js solution [22:50:41] Is there a command I can put in the address bar to take me to like a form to make a new page? [22:50:48] to make it easier for users to make new pages? [22:52:31] XDuxaX: do you need just a pre-loaded default text or do you need a more complex structure? [22:53:39] XDuxaX: there are several extensions for that kind of thing... [22:54:47] well i want someone to be like... "ok i need to make a page about "cookies"... then the ycan click a link form the left menu thing and it would ask them "title" and "body" of the page [22:55:19] XDuxaX: which would result in a orphan page no one will ever find [22:55:32] hmm [22:55:33] k [22:55:39] so whats the proper way of creating pages then? [22:55:42] XDuxaX: wikis live and die by links. the best way to make a page is: link to it, save, click read link, create page [22:55:47] so you will never have orphans [22:56:17] hmm k [22:59:08] Duesentrieb is there any way to disable the interlanguage links in polyglot when languageselector is present? [22:59:33] XDuxaX: remember what D. said, but you can browse here for ideas: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_creation_extensions [23:01:38] Hmm so the default Toolbar doesnt have the "Make Internal Link" button? how do I add one? [23:01:41] Second Law of Thermodynamics [23:01:44] oops [23:03:16] XDuxaX: it doesn't? [23:03:25] oh nm [23:03:27] it looks like Ab [23:03:32] thought that was underline [23:03:33] =P [23:04:16] Look at the tooltips :P (and do change the default buttons if you don't like them, but remember that users of MediaWiki elsewhere will be used to that) [23:05:10] yeah [23:05:13] thanks [23:29:19] 02Bonsoir [23:41:22] is it worth it to upgrade versions? [23:41:39] i have v1.9.3 [23:47:01] 02Allo? [23:48:12] Hello, everyone... I'm in dire need of a developer! [23:48:46] My wiki has been showing a puzzling behaviour since Saturday that's driving me crazy and the guys at my host too [23:49:04] Occasionally, it just stops recognizing variables [23:49:59] when you log in , you see "Welcome to {{WIKINAME}}" instead of "Welcome to Bibliowiki" (may not be exactly WIKINAME, I'm typing from memory) [23:50:37] Every single template is reduced to a bunch of {{}}'s with the variable names within instead of their values [23:51:13] there's not article count in the main page, just {{ARTICLECOUNT}}, and so on [23:52:00] however, sometimes, but not always, when I type "?action=purge", the pages show as they should [23:52:39] I had this problem with the wiki in the 1.6 version [23:52:59] today I upgraded to 1.11 in the hope to make it go away... no luck [23:53:03] it remains [23:53:09] That's pretty impressive that you were still at 1.6 [23:53:28] But probably not that bad [23:53:32] the host I had till mid-september didn't have php 5 [23:53:52] and I have been too busy to do the upgrade since then [23:54:20] It's the 1.4 -> 1.5 conversion that sucks [23:54:26] anyway, the guys at the host have other wikis running smoothly, or so they tell me [23:55:17] candeias: other MediaWiki installs? what PHP version did dey upgrade to, if this behaviour started after they moved? [23:55:19] and they also tell me that despite all the tests they have made to the Apache, MySQL, etc., they can't find anything wrong with it all [23:55:47] they didn't upgrade: I did [23:56:20] so you had the same problem even withPHP 4.x? [23:56:21] I changed hosts in mid september, and the wiki worked perfectly well upto last saturday [23:56:38] No [23:57:06] No problem with PHP4, no problem with PHP5 either till last saturday [23:57:42] ...and you didn't upgrade in the first place? I mean, only after starting having problems? [23:57:54] yes [23:58:23] as I already stated: "I have been too busy to do the upgrade since then"