[00:00:18] <BrokenArrow>	candeias: sorry, I'm not a dev myself. I'm trying to understand what could have done wrong, but this doesn't look like a MW issue at first sight.
[00:01:00] *Werdna 	hides
[00:01:09] <candeias>	Any devs around?
[00:01:17] <Werdna>	peeeerhaps
[00:01:32] <candeias>	I see...
[00:01:43] <Werdna>	that's a very odd error
[00:01:49] <candeias>	there's at least one who has no clue about what might be wrong either, right?
[00:01:51] <Werdna>	is it a public wiki?
[00:02:08] <candeias>	yup: http://bibliowiki.com.pt
[00:02:36] <Sei>	02Hey, I've a little problem
[00:02:52] <Werdna>	really?
[00:02:53] <candeias>	be advised that, to add weirdness to weridness, it's also an *occasional* error
[00:03:01] <Sei>	02I've understood how to upload a picture, but thumbnails didn't appear on the pages...
[00:03:09] <candeias>	sometimes, the wiki works just fine...
[00:03:18] <candeias>	sometimes it just doesn't work at all
[00:03:33] <Werdna>	what's your setup?
[00:03:41] <candeias>	meaning?
[00:03:46] <candeias>	versions?
[00:03:51] <Werdna>	well, how is it set up?
[00:03:55] <Werdna>	standalone on an apache?
[00:04:00] <Werdna>	does it use memcaching?
[00:04:03] <Werdna>	squid caching?
[00:04:33] <candeias>	hm... that's beyond me. I have no idea how the host set thing up upon the transfer
[00:04:41] <candeias>	*things
[00:04:57] <Werdna>	ok, if you don't know about it, you're probably not.
[00:05:28] <Sei>	02No answers?
[00:05:35] <candeias>	I'm probably not what? I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to say
[00:05:46] <Werdna>	not using memcached or squid or anything like that
[00:05:52] <candeias>	oh
[00:06:25] <Werdna>	do you have shell access to the wiki's server?
[00:06:37] <candeias>	as I said: no idea. The host is a commercial host, with a number of customers, so I guess they have several sunning on the same apache
[00:06:41] <candeias>	yes
[00:07:00] <candeias>	*sunning = sharing
[00:07:03] <candeias>	(dyslexia)
[00:07:14] <candeias>	or running
[00:10:05] <Werdna>	right, try md5sum includes/Parser.php
[00:11:30] <Betacommand>	#AWB
[00:11:39] <Werdna>	?
[00:11:58] <Betacommand>	Werdna: mistake
[00:12:40] <candeias>	werdna, that's from the root wiki directory, right?
[00:12:57] <Werdna>	yes.
[00:14:27] <candeias>	result: long alphanumeric chain plus "includes/Parser.php
[00:14:34] <candeias>	I'm guessing you want the chain?
[00:14:38] <Werdna>	yes.
[00:15:13] <candeias>	514ee0acdb6ae901631117c54180fla5
[00:15:52] <Sei_bosse>	02Why my thumbs don't work!!!!
[00:15:59] <Werdna>	!repeat
[00:15:59] <mwbot>	Please do not repeat yourself too often, if little conversation has occurred since your last message then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You stand a chance of annoying people if you repeat yourself.
[00:16:42] <candeias>	er...
[00:16:50] <candeias>	do it again?
[00:17:27] <candeias>	oh, that's for Sei_bosse... ok
[00:17:45] <Werdna>	candeias: that hash seems to be right..
[00:18:07] <candeias>	should be: all the files were uploaded today
[00:18:41] <Werdna>	what version of PHP do you have installed?
[00:18:57] <candeias>	5.2.2
[00:19:54] <candeias>	I just had an idea...
[00:20:27] <candeias>	happens that the wiki is only part of the content I have up there.
[00:20:35] <Werdna>	mmm?
[00:21:02] <candeias>	it used to be on a directory in a wider site until I recently bought a its own domain name
[00:21:24] <candeias>	its previous URL was http://ficcao.com.pt/bibliowiki
[00:21:36] <Werdna>	uhuh..
[00:21:49] <candeias>	I changed some values in LocalSettings.php
[00:22:21] <candeias>	to make it point at the new place, but is there any possibility that some stuff got left behind?
[00:23:58] <Werdna>	doubt it
[00:24:12] <Werdna>	since it's intermittent..
[00:24:20] <Werdna>	it's a parser issue
[00:25:10] <candeias>	ok
[00:28:07] <candeias>	I did have problems when uploading the new version files with Parser.php and parserCache.php
[00:28:28] <candeias>	they were refusing to be overwritten
[00:28:46] <candeias>	unlike practically all the other files
[00:29:00] <Werdna>	that's interesting, but the md5 hash seems to be OK..
[00:29:03] <candeias>	I had to delete them first and then uploading
[00:29:08] <Werdna>	what about parserCache.php? what's the md5sum of that?
[00:29:16] <candeias>	hang on
[00:30:58] <candeias>	8d067045824c0229e0f19bdff494a5e5
[00:31:45] <Werdna>	ok, that's fine too
[00:32:40] <candeias>	perhaps unfortunately :|
[00:32:46] <Werdna>	mmm
[00:32:51] <Werdna>	permissions, perhaps?
[00:33:52] <candeias>	they's all 0644
[00:34:01] <candeias>	*they're
[00:34:16] <Sei_bosse>	02Why nobody can answer my question?
[00:34:25] *Werdna 	rolleyes
[00:34:59] <candeias>	(that's read and write for user and read only for everybody else, but I guess I din't have to explain)
[00:37:40] <Werdna>	Well, I don't really have any more information, other than the fact that it's significant that Parser and ParserCache were the files you had trouble with
[00:37:47] <Werdna>	try deleting them then reuploading?
[00:38:23] <Pathoschild>	Sei: Do you have thumbnailing software installed?
[00:38:33] <candeias>	that's what I ended up doing
[00:38:36] <Sei>	02Er... I don't know... :S
[00:38:48] <candeias>	they wouldn't upload otherwise
[00:39:02] <Sei>	02It isn't install with the soft?
[00:39:06] <Pathoschild>	Sei: Before we continue, could you set your text colour to default? It's hard to read dark blue on my black background. :)
[00:39:13] <Sei>	02Oh, sorry
[00:39:14] <Pathoschild>	No, MediaWiki only includes the wiki itself.
[00:39:25] <Sei>	Done :p
[00:39:34] <Pathoschild>	Much better, thanks. :)
[00:39:38] <Sei>	Okay, how to include a thumbnailing soft?
[00:39:38] <Werdna>	Pathoschild: yay colour-stripping scripts :)
[00:39:41] <BrokenArrow>	Sei: have a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_thumbnailing#Image_thumbnailing too
[00:40:20] <candeias>	who amongst the devs is deeper into parsing?
[00:44:51] <candeias>	and another question: can this situation be forwarded to someone that has looked closer into this aspect of Mediawiki?
[00:46:37] <BrokenArrow>	candeias: this is about the right place, but you need a bit of luck about gegging the right people live. 
[00:46:46] <Werdna>	mediawiki-l
[00:46:56] <Sei>	I don't understand anything...
[00:47:04] <candeias>	Isn't anyone logging this stuff?
[00:47:07] <BrokenArrow>	you  *could* file a bug, but if it's not reproducible it's likely it will be closed
[00:47:11] <Sei>	I've to download another soft to allow thumbnailing?
[00:50:34] <BrokenArrow>	candeias: the list Werdna mentioned is at http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
[00:52:32] <candeias>	thanks
[00:52:44] <BrokenArrow>	Sei: if it's not part of your system, yes
[00:52:53] <Sei>	Okay...
[00:53:15] <Sei>	I've dowloaded ImageMagick... How to put it on my wiki O_o ?
[00:56:54] <BrokenArrow>	Sei: is that a local install or shared hosting?
[00:57:10] <Sei>	Euh...
[00:57:50] *BrokenArrow 	means: where did you put *the rest* of your wiki? :)
[00:58:24] <Sei>	I'm french so it's not so easy to understand. It's a shared hosting... It's on a website :p
[00:59:20] <Sei>	I've an access to the configuration by FTP
[00:59:59] <Pathoschild>	Sei: In that case, you'll need to contact your host to ask if they have thumbnailing software installed.
[01:00:20] <BrokenArrow>	it would probably be better to ask them for support, then.
[01:00:32] <Sei>	My host... Who is my host?
[01:01:17] <BrokenArrow>	Sei: the people you pay (or not) for the website :)
[01:01:30] <Pathoschild>	Sei: Le site que tu paye (si tu paye) pour s'occuper des serveurs qui servent ton site web.
[01:01:32] <Sei>	Erf... Why I've to ask them?
[01:01:38] <Sei>	Ben..
[01:01:48] <Sei>	Qu'est-ce qu'ils ont à voir là dedans?
[01:02:01] <Sei>	J'peux pas installer un soft de miniaturage en rapport avec mon wiki???
[01:02:05] <Pathoschild>	Parce-que tu ne peut pas installé des logiciels sur le serveurs; seul eux le peuvent. 
[01:02:21] <BrokenArrow>	because they will know what kind of executable files are running on their machines, this is different from running PHP scripts.
[01:02:33] <Pathoschild>	Tu peux installé des application PHP comme MediaWiki, mais pour les logiciels il te faut accès au serveur-même.
[01:02:35] <Sei>	Wiki is a php script...
[01:02:38] <Sei>	I think :p
[01:02:41] <Sei>	Ah merde
[01:02:50] <Sei>	Mais c'est super boulet!!!
[01:02:53] <Pathoschild>	Ouais.
[01:03:03] <Sei>	Putain, chuis même pas admin du site internet...
[01:03:29] <Pathoschild>	Dans ce cas, dis au admin de contacté son hôte. :)
[01:03:36] <Sei>	Et il lui dit quoi???
[01:04:25] <Pathoschild>	Il faut demander si il y a des logiciels thumbnailing d'installer, et si non de l'installé.
[01:04:41] <Sei>	Y'a pas un moyen un peu plus... simple?
[01:04:49] <Pathoschild>	Suggère ImageMagick, si il y en a pas d'installer.
[01:05:00] <Pathoschild>	Pas vraiment, non.
[01:05:05] <Sei>	Et ils vont l'installer ou eux?
[01:05:29] <BrokenArrow>	it *may* be posible that they already have it. you won't know if you don't ask (or read their docs)
[01:05:48] <Sei>	Dear...
[01:05:52] <Pathoschild>	Ils vont savoirs comment faire; ça va être sur les serveurs, et MediaWiki le détecteras automatiquement. 
[01:06:04] <Sei>	All that miss for a poor thumbnailing soft...
[01:06:22] <Sei>	(mess?)
[01:06:23] <Sei>	(^^)
[01:06:32] <Pathoschild>	Ou c'est possible que MediaWiki est mal-configuré, comme BrokenArrow le suggère. ;)
[01:06:32] <Sei>	Tout ce bordel pour un pauvre logiciel de miniaturage...
[01:07:18] <Sei>	J'ai pas compris ça comme ça :p
[01:07:19] <Pathoschild>	Ouais, mais d'habitude il devrais être déjà installé. :)
[01:07:24] <Sei>	Mais ou?
[01:07:31] <Sei>	Et comment le savoir?
[01:08:53] <Sei>	## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory
[01:08:53] <Sei>	## is writable, then set this to true:
[01:08:54] <Sei>	$wgEnableUploads = true;
[01:08:54] <Sei>	$wgUseImageResize = true;
[01:08:54] <Pathoschild>	Sur le serveur même; le C:\Program_Files ou /usr/bin ou je ne sais pas trop où. Seul l'hôte peut y accédé, alors il faut leur demandé. :)
[01:08:54] <Sei>	# $wgUseImageMagick = true;
[01:08:55] <Sei>	# $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";
[01:08:56] <Sei>	## If you want to use image uploads under safe mode,
[01:08:58] <Sei>	## create the directories images/archive, images/thumb and
[01:09:00] <Sei>	## images/temp, and make them all writable. Then uncomment
[01:09:02] <Sei>	## this, if it's not already uncommented:
[01:09:04] <Sei>	$wgHashedUploadDirectory = false;
[01:09:43] <Pathoschild>	Eh bien, moi je dois partir. Au revoir. :)
[01:09:54] <Sei>	A+
[01:10:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Contributions should allow selecting of top versions only - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11860 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[01:10:50] <Pathoschild>	Éperont pas, ça voudrais dire que ton problème n'est pas résolue. ;)
[01:10:58] <Sei>	BEn...
[01:11:03] <Sei>	J'ai pas capté exactement ce que je dois faire
[01:11:16] <Sei>	Donc ça risuqe pas d'être résolu bientôt...
[01:11:31] <Mrs_Pathoschild>	Pathoschild: Go take your shower smelly.
[01:12:48] <Pathoschild>	Sei: Contacte l'admin de ton site, et demande-leurs de contacté l'hôte pour demandé si ils ont installé des logiciels de miniaturage.
[01:12:57] <Pathoschild>	Mrs_Pathoschild: Yes ma'am. :'(
[01:13:18] <Sei>	Mais ça me les casse de faire ça...
[01:13:53] <slavie|away>	(Ça te les casse de pas avoirs des miniatures, non? ;) )
[01:14:13] <Sei>	Oui...
[01:14:30] <Sei>	Mais c'est totalement gland de devoir passer par l'hébergeur
[01:14:47] <Sei>	Enfin, j'vais voir ça
[01:15:01] <Sei>	Merci encore ^^
[01:15:09] <slavie|away>	Bienvenue. :)
[01:15:18] *slavie|away 	rushes off to shower under Mrs_Pathoschild's glare.
[01:15:57] <Sei>	Pathoshild, "you're wellcome" = "de rien" en français, pas "bienvenue" ^^
[01:16:39] <Werdna>	holy crap
[01:16:51] <Werdna>	/devanywhere-dev/User.php File History  212 entries.
[01:19:18] <Pathoschild>	Bof, on dis "Bienvenue" au Québec. ...sauf que le Québécois n'est pas vraiment le modèle a suivre... ;)
[01:19:35] <Sei>	Ouais :D
[01:19:59] <Sei>	T'as encore 2mn?
[01:20:33] <Pathoschild>	Ouais, quel-qu'un viens de me voler ma place dans la douche. -.-
[01:20:39] <Sei>	XD
[01:20:47] <Pathoschild>	:p
[01:21:13] <Sei>	Admettons que l'hébergeur aie imageMagick installé sur le serveur
[01:21:18] <Sei>	Comment je peux vérifier?
[01:22:36] <Pathoschild>	Si tu réussie à faire fonctionner le miniaturage, c'est que c'est installé. ;)
[01:22:45] <Sei>	Et je dois configurer comment?
[01:22:53] <Sei>	Le LocalSettings?
[01:24:40] <Pathoschild>	Peux-tu me donné un lien ver une page sur ton site avec des miniatures défectueuses?
[01:25:15] <Sei>	http://www.cittagazze.com/~wiki/index.php?title=Stelmaria
[01:25:30] <Sei>	L'image est ici : http://www.cittagazze.com/~wiki/index.php?title=Image:L%C3%A9opard_des_neiges.jpg#file
[01:30:44] <Pathoschild>	Tu peut quand-même y téléchargé des nouvelles images avec Special:Upload?
[01:30:56] <Sei>	Oui
[01:31:24] <Sei>	C'est ce que j'ai fait pour cette image
[01:32:09] <Pathoschild>	Vérifie les permissions de /images/thumb/ avec ton client FTP; est qu'ils sont les même que /images/?
[01:33:27] <Sei>	Oui
[01:36:19] <Pathoschild>	Hm.
[01:39:16] <Pathoschild>	Et bien, tu va devoir demander à ton hébergeur; si c'est déjà installé, il te faut savoir où est le commande "convert" (ce qu'ils devrait savoirs).
[01:39:45] <Sei>	Je comprends le genre...
[01:39:55] <Sei>	Elle est sensée se trouver par défaut dans user/bin/convert
[01:40:04] <Sei>	D'après le LocalSettings
[01:40:28] <Sei>	## To enable image uploads, make sure the 'images' directory
[01:40:28] <Sei>	## is writable, then set this to true:
[01:40:28] <Sei>	$wgEnableUploads = true;
[01:40:28] <Sei>	$wgUseImageResize = true;
[01:40:28] <Sei>	$wgUseImageMagick = true;
[01:40:28] <Sei>	$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";
[01:40:56] <Pathoschild>	Tu utilise bien "usr/", et non "user/"?
[01:41:06] <Sei>	Euh oui ^^
[01:41:08] <Sei>	usr ^^
[01:41:09] <Pathoschild>	:)
[01:41:10] <Sei>	Ca veut dire quoi
[01:41:16] <Pathoschild>	usr = user. :p
[01:41:26] <Sei>	Erreur lors de la création de la miniature : Unable to run external programs in safe mode.
[01:41:55] <Sei>	Ca met ça quand j'active
[01:41:56] <Sei>	$wgUseImageMagick = true;
[01:41:56] <Sei>	$wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";
[01:42:20] <Sei>	Mais ce /usr il se trouve ou?
[01:44:21] <Pathoschild>	Sur le serveur; sur un ordinateur Linux, "/usr/bin" et plus-où-moins l'équivalent de "C:\Programs and files" sur Windows.
[01:44:32] <Sei>	Ok
[01:44:48] <Sei>	L'hébergeur c'est Haisoft, je peux pas savoir si ils ont le logiciel quelque part?
[01:46:38] <Pathoschild>	Je ne crois pas, mais peut-être que PHP peut nous dire quelque-chose. Crée un page du nom "phpinfo.php" contenant "<?php phpinfo(); ?>", et mais-le sur ton site web.
[01:46:48] <Pathoschild>	met*
[01:47:14] <Sei>	J'ai accès uniquement au wiki
[01:49:13] <Pathoschild>	Dans ce cas, non. :)
[01:50:29] <Pathoschild>	J'ai soudains envie de relire le trilogie.
[01:50:36] <Pathoschild>	la*.
[01:50:41] <Sei>	:p
[01:50:44] <Pathoschild>	:D
[01:59:12] <Sei>	Mais ça fait chier quand même
[01:59:15] <Sei>	C'est super compliqué
[01:59:22] <Sei>	Tout ça pour un simple miniaturage!!!
[01:59:44] <Pathoschild>	C'est juste compliqué quand ça ne fonctionne pas. ;)
[02:00:14] <Sei>	J'espère que l'admin fera suivre assez vite
[02:26:02] <fridgid>	how can you change the color of font on a specific line of a wiki?
[02:26:10] <fridgid>	standard html or is there a cleaner way?
[02:26:20] <fridgid>	css in some fashion?
[02:26:34] <Pathoschild>	HTML with CSS: <span style="color:#F00;">red text</span>.
[02:26:44] <fridgid>	yar ty
[02:26:49] <Pathoschild>	Welcome.
[02:34:38] <skiidoo>	Sei: t'as accès par FTP, donc tu peux placer une page, non ?
[02:38:52] <CIA-36>	03tstarling * r27149 10/trunk/phase3/ (img_auth.php includes/StreamFile.php): Send Cache-Control: private and Vary headers in img_auth.php.
[03:20:24] <CIA-36>	03david * r27150 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Liquid Threads EditPage take 3: Now we use $this->mTitle for the database side, $wgTitle for the UI side. There is a note at the top of the file. Also added $suppressIntro, $didSave, and $editFormTextBeforeContent.
[03:23:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Log should contain options for group of actions regarding to the user group - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11861 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[03:58:40] <Prodder>	I'm tryign to use the userCan hook in an extension, does it check for protected pages before or after I call my extension?
[04:14:25] <jana>	is there a good place to perhaps find templates for use in mediawiki?
[04:40:37] <Pathoschild>	jana: Wikis with content similar to what you want to write about.
[05:02:55] <jana>	so basically mimic by design?
[06:31:38] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special: Log should contain options for group of actions regarding to the user group - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11861  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:31:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Admin action log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6848  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:39:01] <Korolen>	Does MW automaticly take care of alpha of a PNG for the logo in IE?
[08:13:26] <FreeNom>	re
[09:09:04] <Busta>	re
[09:12:54] <_wooz>	lo
[09:57:55] <CIA-36>	03catrope * r27151 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:57:55] <CIA-36>	API:
[09:57:55] <CIA-36>	* Allow staying logged in through lg* parameters instead of cookies (modified patch by Eddie Roger)
[09:57:55] <CIA-36>	* Removed ApiLogin's sessionID return value, as it doesn't always work and is redundant anyway
[10:11:48] <BalanceRestored>	hi 
[10:11:56] <BalanceRestored>	need help implementing 
[10:12:02] <BalanceRestored>	pretty URL
[10:29:57] <yang>	To make a link to the Image picture.jpg to open in a separate window what must I do ?
[10:30:16] <yang>	[[Image:picture.jpg]] will show in the same window
[10:31:48] <yang>	should I write the url of the picture?
[10:38:02] <yang>	got it Media:
[11:33:47] <AaB-ern>	Hello
[11:35:22] <AaB-ern>	I need atemplate
[11:35:27] <AaB-ern>	a template*
[12:04:37] <dpy>	hi guys
[12:37:05] <dijxtra>	Hello everybody, can somebody tell me does mediawiki use its own parser for parsing TeX (for math formulae) or does it use some 3rd party tools?
[12:38:03] <soroush>	dijxtra, it uses a third party tool
[12:38:12] <dijxtra>	Do you know which one?
[12:38:43] <soroush>	I've never used it myself
[12:38:58] <soroush>	but sb here surely knows
[12:39:02] <soroush>	!Tex
[12:39:02] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math
[12:39:50] <dijxtra>	Oh, thanks :-)
[12:40:05] <dijxtra>	It's texvc. Thanks.
[12:41:26] <flyingparchment>	texvc is used to sanitise the input
[12:41:41] <flyingparchment>	it needs latex and ams to actually render it, except for very trivial inputs
[12:42:14] <dijxtra>	But how does it create pngs? With latex?
[12:42:41] <flyingparchment>	yes, and dvipng (or possibly imagemagick, i forget)
[12:43:37] <dijxtra>	So, if I have ps file, I can extract formulae using dvipng?
[12:44:37] <flyingparchment>	if you have ps you need a postscript renderer like ghostscript
[12:44:54] <flyingparchment>	the <math> input is just latex, you can render it using any latex implementation
[12:45:00] <flyingparchment>	(need to add the right prologue)
[12:45:23] <dijxtra>	What I'm trying to do is convert latex document to html. And all of the latex->html converters i've found choke on my fomulae.
[12:45:42] <dijxtra>	So I'm trying to find a tool to convert my latex formulae separately.
[12:45:50] <flyingparchment>	ah.  well you don't need any of our stuff for that.
[12:46:05] <flyingparchment>	basically, mediawiki puts the latex into a file and renderers it like any other latex document
[12:46:22] <flyingparchment>	texvc is only needed for security, because we allow user-supplied latex (so letting \input through would be a bad idea)
[12:46:34] <dijxtra>	Yes, ofcourse.
[12:47:24] <dijxtra>	But, how do you get such nice png formulae? All of the converters I've tried don't know how to convert formulae.
[12:48:41] <soroush>	How does google know the latest articles of wikipedia? does it index Special:Allpages everyday or does it processes new pages?
[12:49:45] <flyingparchment>	dijxtra: it renders to dvi and uses dvips to generate postscript
[12:49:54] <flyingparchment>	dijxtra: i'd imagine once you have ps it'll render the same anywhere
[14:06:03] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special: Log should contain options for group of actions regarding to the user group - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11861  +comment (10danny_b)
[14:15:42] <AaB-ern2>	Hello. Can some please help me, to make my site combitable with the "#if" - thing?
[14:16:23] <flyingparchment>	AaB-ern2: install the ParserFunctions extension
[14:16:59] <Winterstream>	Hi everyone. Wikipedia allows one to create links to translations of an article by the addition of tags with the form [[lang:article name]]. This works on Wikipedia thanks to the sub-domains. Two questions: 1) how does one enable this in MediaWiki and 2) how one handle it in the case where there are no sub-domains?
[14:17:10] <AaB-ern2>	Thank you, flyingparchment
[14:17:57] <flyingparchment>	Winterstream: 'lang' needs to be an interwiki link (in the 'interwiki' database table).  for each interwiki that you want to be an interlanguage link, you need to set iw_local=1 in that table.
[14:18:14] <flyingparchment>	Winterstream: the actual location of the interwiki doesn't matter; it can be on a subdomain, or a different path, or another site entirely
[14:18:38] <Winterstream>	Thanks flyingparchment :)
[14:18:52] <AaB-ern2>	flyingparchment: Is it this one: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LO_Parser_Functions?
[14:18:59] <flyingparchment>	hmm, actually, i'm not completely certain iw_local=1 is enough.. i think it might also need to be a recognised language code
[14:19:29] <flyingparchment>	AaB-ern2: no, this one: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#Installation
[14:19:51] <AaB-ern2>	Again: Thank you, flyingparchment ;-)
[14:20:10] <Winterstream>	Okay. And I take it that this uses the InterWiki extension?
[14:20:18] <flyingparchment>	Winterstream: no.  you don't need  any extensions.
[14:20:23] <flyingparchment>	Winterstream: interwiki links are part of the core software
[14:20:29] <Winterstream>	Ah
[14:20:30] <Winterstream>	Okay
[14:20:31] <Winterstream>	Thanks
[14:20:32] <Winterstream>	:)
[14:26:09] <AaB-ern2>	flyingparchment: When i try to upload some pictures, the site gives me a message that, the file is damaged, or has a wrong name.
[14:39:11] <AaB-ern2>	flyingparchment: Why won't my page work with <td> and <tr> tags? Example: http://pcmscandinavia.com/wiki/index.php/Cyanide_Studio
[14:40:50] <RoanKattouw>	AaB-ern2 why are you even using <td>? You are using {| and friends in the rest of the template
[14:40:56] <RoanKattouw>	http://pcmscandinavia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Skabelon:Virksomhed&action=edit
[14:41:29] <AaB-ern2>	Well, he template is from Wikipedia
[14:41:32] <AaB-ern2>	the*
[14:41:45] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[14:41:52] <RoanKattouw>	Do you have HTMLTidy installed?
[14:41:55] <RoanKattouw>	@search tidy
[14:41:55] <mwbot>	Results: [tidy]
[14:42:02] <RoanKattouw>	!tidy | AaB-ern2
[14:42:02] <mwbot>	AaB-ern2: For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[14:42:55] <AaB-ern2>	What is HTMLTidy?
[14:43:46] <RoanKattouw>	A program that allows you to use <tr><td>
[14:45:33] <AaB-ern2>	Okay
[14:45:43] <RoanKattouw>	At least I believe it will...
[14:45:54] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: You need Tidy to use <tr><td> in wiki pages right?
[14:46:49] <AaB-ern2>	Bingo, tidy is off
[14:47:45] <AaB-ern2>	It worked!
[14:49:51] <AaB-ern2>	Thanks
[14:50:04] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[14:54:16] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: no
[14:54:28] <RoanKattouw>	Oh well
[14:54:35] <RoanKattouw>	It fixed AaB-ern2's problem anyway
[14:58:23] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: you do need it if you start a tag in a template and finish it in another
[14:58:31] <RoanKattouw>	Oh that
[15:03:03] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: PING
[15:03:13] <RoanKattouw>	Hey AzaTht
[15:03:20] <AzaTht>	me want something
[15:03:36] <AzaTht>	for example prop=links
[15:03:42] <NotACow>	"me want something"?
[15:03:46] <NotACow>	are you a lolcat?
[15:04:17] <AzaTht>	for plnamespace I would like to be able to specify all namespaces than one or two
[15:04:26] <AzaTht>	(without enumerate them all)
[15:09:20] <Steev43230>	Hello. I am using WAMP and I want to upgrade phpMyAdmin. There are three upgrade download files available (phpMyAdmin-2.11.2-english.zip, phpMyAdmin-2.11.2-all-languages-utf-8-only.zip, and phpMyAdmin-2.11.2-all-languages.zip). Does anyone know (1) which file to use or (2) how I can figure out which file to use? My "collection collation" dropdown appears to list a whole lot of langauges...
[15:09:21] <Steev43230>	...other than utf-8 English, but I would ideally like to delete all language files other than English and install only the English upgrade - but I don't know how simple or how involved this might be. Thoughts?
[15:11:04] <Platonides>	Steev43230, probably you only need the first
[15:11:13] <Platonides>	but what has it to do with mediawiki?
[15:11:30] <Steev43230>	I don't know where better to ask.
[15:11:57] <Platonides>	what about #phpMyAdmin ?
[15:12:17] <Steev43230>	I'm off to see the #phpMyAdmin wizards. Thanks!!
[15:13:45] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht you mean all namespaces except the main ns or something similar?
[15:13:59] <RoanKattouw>	And be able to do ns=!0 rather than ns=1|2|3|4|5...
[15:14:41] <AzaTht>	yea
[15:15:02] <RoanKattouw>	That's gotta be somewhere in ApiBase
[15:15:09] <RoanKattouw>	I'll look in there and see if it's doable
[15:15:42] <AzaTht>	ty
[15:16:22] <mboman>	where is the page that has a table of all the extentions for MediaWiki? I keep losing the bookmark..
[15:17:00] <RoanKattouw>	mboman http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[15:17:06] <RoanKattouw>	@search extension
[15:17:06] <mwbot>	Results: [access, bugzilla, bundles, captchas, cms, extensions, highlight, html, imagemap, invalidupload, ldap, lockdown, oversight, parserfunctions]
[15:17:12] <RoanKattouw>	!extensions
[15:17:12] <mwbot>	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for details on writing an extension and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[15:17:49] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht it'd take quite a rewrite of ApiBase to implement that
[15:18:09] <mboman>	I hate it when support asks for my username and password
[15:18:24] <RoanKattouw>	While the API is gonna be used by bots mostly, who can simply do meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces to find out which namespaces there are
[15:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	And invert their selection
[15:18:38] <AzaTht>	true
[15:18:51] <mboman>	At least now I can refer them to the law, where it says that unauthorized disclosure of passwords and/or access codes are a criminal offense
[15:19:15] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: though it's somewhat cumbersome to do that in JS
[15:19:26] <Steev43230>	I  hate whenever I call support - or anyplace - to ask a question and instead of a cheer "How can I help you," I get met with an interrogation.
[15:19:45] <mboman>	And as I don't belive in sharing passwords I don't give myself permissions to do so.. Besides, they can very well register their own account on my Wiki ;-)
[15:20:09] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht maybe, but it should be possible, right?
[15:20:20] <AzaTht>	possible
[15:21:21] <mboman>	Steev43230, yes, that too. I really hate needing to answer the security question when the reason for contacting them has nothing to do with my account in specifics (ie: do your hosting platform comes with XYZ software / plugin?)
[15:26:59] <RoanKattouw>	Luckily, MediaWiki support people will never need to ask you for your wiki password
[15:27:17] <RoanKattouw>	Just creating an account at your wiki and logging in is generally enough to diagnose the problem
[15:36:08] <RoanKattouw>	brion-away: VasilievVV has been waiting to get commit access for nearly 3 weeks now. Do you think you can find the time to fulfill the poor man's request anytime soon?
[15:47:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456  (10danny_b)
[15:50:24] <CIA-37>	03catrope * r27152 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php api/ApiExpandTemplates.php api/ApiRender.php): 
[15:50:24] <CIA-37>	API:
[15:50:24] <CIA-37>	* Alphabetic ordering in AutoLoader.php
[15:50:24] <CIA-37>	* Using ApiBase::getModuleName in ApiRender and ApiExpandTemplates
[16:00:39] <mboman>	Is there a quick way to list the registred users of my mediawiki site?
[16:01:03] <flyingparchment>	Special:Listusers
[16:08:55] <CIA-37>	03catrope * r27153 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php): API: Getting a list of all user preferences is easy, so let's just do that
[16:32:38] <AaB-ern2>	Is it possible to show thimbnails in safe mode?
[16:32:43] <AaB-ern2>	thumbnails*
[16:33:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikimedia Toolbar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3392  +comment (10chris_europole)
[16:43:37] <AaB-ern2>	Is it possible to show thumbnails in safe mode?
[16:59:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search problem (from Help desk) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11862 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (chris_europole)
[17:04:31] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Search problem (from Help desk) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11862  +comment (10robchur)
[17:13:36] <Silktrader>	Greetings.
[17:15:50] <Silktrader>	I have a set of xml files, associated with one xsl sheet - all of which I would like to insert in my wiki: is there an extension or a way to edit native xml and have it transformed by either the brower or mediawiki's parser/renderer?
[17:16:38] <Silktrader>	I know I can craft custom tags, but those are actually properly formatted XML files, with their own declaration, etc.
[17:17:37] <ScytheBlade1>	Hi all. I run a mediawiki for a small PXE documentation site, and I'm having... absolutely horrible spam problems. The most recent attacks have been adding random strings to the top of the page - "coordar", "orzelrole", etc
[17:17:56] <ScytheBlade1>	I can do a regex to block URLs. I can't do a regex to block regular text. Any suggestions?
[17:20:49] <Silktrader>	*/uninformed opinion*/ block spamming IPs?
[17:21:40] <ScytheBlade1>	Heh. Been doing that.
[17:21:52] <ScytheBlade1>	http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Ipblocklist
[17:22:39] <ScytheBlade1>	Which is the problem. I don't want to do that anymore.
[17:23:25] <ScytheBlade1>	http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500&days=30 to give you an idea of what exactly is happening :/
[17:24:26] <Silktrader>	Some days it's just catastrophic ...
[17:25:54] <Silktrader>	I suppose that requesting registration to edit would defeat the purpose of Your wiki ...
[17:26:04] <ScytheBlade1>	I did that for a bit.
[17:26:08] <ScytheBlade1>	Hence the banned usernames.
[17:26:10] <ScytheBlade1>	They registered.
[17:26:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't display MediaWiki: Talkpagetext on new discussion pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11863 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (Eneas)
[17:26:53] <Silktrader>	I saw one yes.
[17:28:10] <Silktrader>	Did You resolve those IPs?
[17:28:14] <Silktrader>	Geo.
[17:29:47] <ScytheBlade1>	Yeah
[17:29:57] <Silktrader>	You've had far less registered spammers than nonregged ones.
[17:30:14] <ScytheBlade1>	Yeah, just one compared to a few hundred
[17:30:43] <Silktrader>	Anyway - I am not exactly knowledgeable in such matters ... I solved these issues by limiting access via Apache rather than mediawiki ...
[17:31:02] <ScytheBlade1>	Ha, that works
[17:31:36] <Silktrader>	Well I had sporadic spammers ...
[17:31:51] <Silktrader>	... I made sure my pages weren't indexed by crawlers either.
[17:32:19] <Silktrader>	Anyway: just hope somebody with expertise drops by to give You a hint :-)
[17:32:23] <ScytheBlade1>	Hehe
[17:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Don't display MediaWiki:Talkpagetext on new discussion pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11863  +comment (10Eneas)
[18:10:23] <RoanKattouw>	ScytheBlade1 you might wanna prevent anonymous (not logged in) users from editing
[18:11:00] <RoanKattouw>	You can do that by adding $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; to LocalSettings.php
[18:12:31] <RoanKattouw>	ScytheBlade1: PING
[18:12:40] <ScytheBlade1>	RoanKattouw, pong, just got back
[18:13:39] <ScytheBlade1>	RoanKattouw, do you have any links to documentation on that config var? I'm interested in learning about that in detail :)
[18:13:49] <RoanKattouw>	!access | ScytheBlade1
[18:13:49] <mwbot>	ScytheBlade1: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[18:13:55] <ScytheBlade1>	Awesome.
[18:13:56] <RoanKattouw>	You need the first one
[18:13:56] <ScytheBlade1>	Thanks much.
[18:14:07] <RoanKattouw>	There's also another option: you can block IP ranger
[18:14:09] <RoanKattouw>	*ranges
[18:14:24] <RoanKattouw>	Say you get a lot of spam from 217.121.*.* IPs, you can block them all at once
[18:14:27] <ScytheBlade1>	Not really interested in ranges, unless I can do it automatically
[18:15:05] <ScytheBlade1>	A lot of the spam I got came from different IPs on every problematic edit
[18:15:11] <CIA-37>	03huji * r27155 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Minor updates in two messages.
[18:15:13] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[18:15:14] <ScytheBlade1>	From a completely different ranage than all of the others
[18:15:20] <RoanKattouw>	Well you can force registration
[18:15:25] <RoanKattouw>	Prevent anonymous users from editing
[18:15:51] <ScytheBlade1>	Yeah, looking at that now.
[18:15:55] <RoanKattouw>	And when blocking users, you can also prevent them from creating another account from the same IP
[18:16:04] <RoanKattouw>	+ automatically block any other IP they try to log in from
[18:16:05] <ScytheBlade1>	Debating a seperate registration page which would just INSERT them a user
[18:16:15] <ScytheBlade1>	And closing the built in registration
[18:16:43] <RoanKattouw>	Why do that
[18:16:54] <RoanKattouw>	ScytheBlade1 you can also add a Captcha to the login page
[18:17:00] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
[18:17:04] <ScytheBlade1>	I don't want to manually approve registration, but I do want to allow automatic registration
[18:17:08] <RoanKattouw>	Look at the weird letters in black
[18:17:14] <ScytheBlade1>	Captchas are only so effective though
[18:17:32] <RoanKattouw>	Additionally, you can require e-mail confirmation (users must confirm their e-mail address before being able to edit)
[18:17:47] <RoanKattouw>	None of them is foolproof, but they'll likely reduce the amount of spam you get
[18:18:01] <ScytheBlade1>	Right
[18:18:43] <ScytheBlade1>	I hate captchas in all truth. They're just a pain.
[18:19:10] <ScytheBlade1>	To prevent automated signup, I think I'll do a seperate registration page + block all else
[18:19:21] <ScytheBlade1>	But that access page has what I needed
[18:19:25] <ScytheBlade1>	Now that I think about it
[18:19:27] <ScytheBlade1>	Thank you muchly
[18:19:34] <RoanKattouw>	How is your separate reg page gonna differ from the normal one then?
[18:20:02] <ScytheBlade1>	Not much at all. But the point is to be different so that the bots can't autoreg.
[18:20:27] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[18:20:47] <Hojjat>	does any body use Windows here?
[18:20:51] <RoanKattouw>	You could also just hack the source code and change the field names
[18:20:55] <RoanKattouw>	Hojjat yes, me
[18:20:57] <ScytheBlade1>	And, seeing as it will be custom, I don't have to go digging in mediawiki internals to make it work well
[18:20:58] <ScytheBlade1>	Heh
[18:21:05] <ScytheBlade1>	It's not a lot of code :)
[18:21:07] <Hojjat>	RoanKattouw: can you please press ALT+SHIFT+P?
[18:21:13] <Hojjat>	and see if Media Player shows up?
[18:21:27] <RoanKattouw>	Nothing
[18:21:32] <Hojjat>	Mmm..
[18:21:32] <RoanKattouw>	No Media Player
[18:21:39] <RoanKattouw>	This isn't Vista BTW, just X
[18:21:41] <RoanKattouw>	P
[18:21:58] <Hojjat>	I cannot use ALT+SHIFT+P to press the "Preview" button on edit pages. I'm on XP as well, and Media Player comes up!
[18:22:19] <Hojjat>	I checked it in more than one machine, this is a feature of Media Player 10, it seems
[18:22:28] <Hojjat>	Which version of MP do you use?
[18:22:35] <Hojjat>	Or do you have (if you don't use it)?
[18:23:11] <RoanKattouw>	The latter statement is closer to the truth
[18:23:13] <RoanKattouw>	I use VLC
[18:23:45] <Hojjat>	Anyways, a version of Media Player is always installed.
[18:23:59] <RoanKattouw>	Version 10
[18:24:03] <Hojjat>	Maybe you have 9 installed (if you haven't updated what was bundled with XP, it should be 9)
[18:24:06] <Hojjat>	mmm...
[18:24:13] <Hojjat>	Any other person here using Windows XP?
[18:24:47] <RoanKattouw>	Alt+Shift+P in a preview form works for me
[18:24:52] <Hojjat>	RoanKattouw: allthesame, I think it's a good idea to add "ALT+P" as a second shortcut for "Preview" button (just like the "Submit" button which has both ALT+S and ALT+SHIFT+S
[18:24:58] <Hojjat>	)
[18:25:13] <RoanKattouw>	True
[18:25:23] <RoanKattouw>	Hojjat you might wanna open a bug at Bugzilla for that
[18:25:25] <RoanKattouw>	@search bug
[18:25:25] <mwbot>	Results: [bugzilla, errors]
[18:25:32] <RoanKattouw>	!bugzilla | Hojjat
[18:25:32] <mwbot>	Hojjat: All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[18:25:46] <Hojjat>	RoanKattouw: well, I may also provide a patch for that.. or I may even commit the patch myself!!
[18:26:00] <RoanKattouw>	Oh you have commit access?
[18:26:06] <RoanKattouw>	Didn't know that
[18:26:06] <Hojjat>	Sure. "Huji" there!
[18:26:11] <Hojjat>	Check my cloak
[18:26:12] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[18:26:20] <RoanKattouw>	I see
[18:26:23] <Hojjat>	:)
[18:26:24] <RoanKattouw>	A wikimedia cloak
[18:27:01] <RoanKattouw>	Because I'm too lazy to set it up
[18:27:14] <RoanKattouw>	The only reason I'd want one is to be able to use MWBot when I'm not at home
[18:27:28] <RoanKattouw>	s/use MWBot/add words to MWBot
[18:27:38] <RoanKattouw>	A combination that rarely occurs
[18:29:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Log should contain options for group of actions regarding to the user group - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11861  (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:34:25] <RoanKattouw>	Hi Brion
[18:35:04] <RoanKattouw>	Brion: VasilievVV has requested commit access nearly 3 weeks ago, and still hasn't got it. Do you have time anytime soon to help the poor guy?
[18:35:06] <kics>	hey wats up. a quick question.... when you have a lot of info on the table of contents, and u want it to collapse (no all) just i.e. section 1,2,3 but showing the table of contents
[18:35:15] <brion>	RoanKattouw: direct all inquiries to tim for now
[18:35:30] <RoanKattouw>	Will do, thanks
[18:35:56] <RoanKattouw>	TimLaqua: PING
[18:36:59] <AaronSchulz>	brion: the trust highlighting software seems really cool eh?
[18:37:13] <AaronSchulz>	I'd love it if they can get that as a live extension
[18:40:58] <brion>	who knows... if it's not fundraiser or relocation i haven't been looking at it lately :P
[18:41:06] *brion 	is going slowly insane
[18:42:08] *AaronSchulz 	adds flaggedrevs, revisiondelete code, and checkuser schema updates on to the pile
[18:42:20] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[18:43:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New accesskey for "Preview" button in edit pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11864 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (huji.huji)
[18:43:40] <RoanKattouw>	Brion: By "direct all inquiries to tim for now" do you mean TimLaqua or Tim Starling?
[18:43:58] <minute>	TimStarling
[18:44:00] <Platonides>	Tim Starling
[18:44:15] <RoanKattouw>	Alright
[18:44:17] <RoanKattouw>	Clear enough
[18:44:29] <RoanKattouw>	!seen TimStarling
[18:44:50] <AaronSchulz>	email him
[18:45:02] <RoanKattouw>	timstarling@what ?
[18:45:26] <minute>	wikimedia.org
[18:45:48] <minute>	Or use MediaWiki.org's e-mail user function.
[18:46:01] <Platonides>	also hotmail.com
[18:46:12] <minute>	mm
[18:51:20] <CIA-37>	03brion * r27156 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/mockup-template.txt: commit the interim copy of the svg template with background/border removed. now using wikimedia green.
[18:51:56] <RoanKattouw>	VasilievVV: ping
[18:54:56] <Wegge>	(after several hours of frustrated poking at an ridiculous complex template) Does anyone know of a Mediawiki template debugger?
[18:55:22] <Platonides>	Wegge, there's no debugger
[18:55:51] <Hojjat>	Wegge, indeed tempalte debuggers are of "human" kind!
[18:55:52] <Wegge>	Something that can tell me what {{#if{{{Foobar}}}|{{{baz}}|{{{qix}}}}}  evaluates to
[18:56:02] <Hojjat>	{{#if:
[18:56:05] <Hojjat>	you missed a colon
[18:56:17] <Wegge>	:)
[18:56:29] <Platonides>	and the {{{Foobar}}} must be {{{Foobar|}}}
[18:56:54] <Platonides>	Wegge, if you provide a Foobar parameter, show baz. Else qix
[18:57:08] <Wegge>	Actually in this case, {{{Foobar}}} os something strange that includes three other templates
[18:57:43] <Wegge>	Platonides tell me what http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skabelon:Kortpositioner_Tyskland does?
[18:57:48] <Hojjat>	Indeed, if Foobar is a template which itself includes other templates, we can't say it "must" be used as {{{Foobar|}}}
[18:58:26] <Wegge>	It is supposedly a direct copy of the enwiki template for placing a marker on a map of germany
[18:58:31] <Hojjat>	wegge, and if Foobar is a tempalte, then you cannot use it with "three" brackets ({{{foobar}}}). Three brackes are for parameters
[18:58:36] <Hojjat>	For templtes, use two brakcest
[18:58:46] <Wegge>	But for some arcane reason it fails when given a latitude like 47.75
[18:59:11] <Wegge>	Hojjat I take that as a humorous comment
[18:59:15] <Wegge>	I know the syntax
[18:59:39] <Wegge>	I'm just lokoking for something that can spare me the burden of doing the expansion manualy
[18:59:41] <Hojjat>	No offence, Wegge. I maybe reminded you what you know :)
[18:59:43] <Platonides>	Wegge, is a "data template"
[18:59:59] <Platonides>	you ask for name, top, left.. and it answers
[19:00:01] <Wegge>	I fully aware that I've elided and/or mistyped something here.
[19:00:24] <Wegge>	(And my keyboard sucks :-( )
[19:01:03] <Wegge>	Platonides It should have been  http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skabelon:Kortpositioner
[19:01:28] <Wegge>	I don't particularly want to debug that one right now
[19:01:34] <Wegge>	I found the workaround
[19:02:02] <Wegge>	I was just looking for something that could help med the next time someone asks "Why doesn't this work"
[19:02:42] <Platonides>	what an awful template
[19:03:01] <Wegge>	Yep
[19:04:01] <Wegge>	brion If your undetermined state boils down to present, what is your opinion on writing extensions that simplifies templates like the one we are discussing?
[19:04:18] <Wegge>	In my opinion it should have been an extension
[19:08:18] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[19:13:31] <TimLaqua>	mmm... toomany tims.  ;-)
[19:20:38] <brion>	an overlay thingy might be handy
[19:47:15] <Wegge>	brion Something simple like <overlya image="Foobar.jpg" xoffset="42%" yoffset="87%" /> ?
[19:47:42] <Wegge>	Adjust parameter names to taste, and add optionalities as well :)
[20:19:12] <ocho_ha>	join #avahi
[20:19:35] <ST47>	no
[20:20:02] <slavie|away>	ocho_ha: join #mediawiki
[20:20:06] <ocho_ha>	har
[20:20:10] <ocho_ha>	oops
[20:20:17] <ocho_ha>	missed a /
[20:20:28] <ST47>	;)
[20:20:55] <Wegge>	/join *
[20:21:20] <Wegge>	Just to add to the fun
[20:22:23] <Platonides>	/join 0
[20:25:33] <Wegge>	Platonides You are one funny b****rd :)
[20:31:45] <AaB-ern2>	Is it possible to show thumbnails in safe mode?
[20:32:22] <minute>	AaB-ern2: If you configure the file system correctly, yes.
[20:34:12] <Korolen>	How do I make a normal account have the permissions of a WikiSysop? I don't want to edit everything under that ugly name.
[20:35:05] <eyaluth>	Do you have a free hosted wiki from somewhere?
[20:35:21] <Korolen>	eyaluth: Are you talking to me?
[20:35:38] <eyaluth>	Korelen: Yes.
[20:35:59] <Korolen>	eyaluth: What do you mean by 'free hosted'... I do plan to host this myself, yes
[20:36:24] <eyaluth>	Korelen: Oh, well you can create whatever name you want, your username doesn't have to be "WikiSysop"
[20:36:52] <Korolen>	eyaluth: But how do I get permissions to protect and stuff on the alternate username?
[20:37:22] <Platonides>	WikiSysop can give them
[20:37:29] <minute>	Login as WikiSysop then go to Special:Userrights
[20:37:31] <eyaluth>	Korelen: Create a new username, then login to the original account  go to Specialpages > User rights management and make the user a sysop.
[20:37:33] <Platonides>	use Special:Userrights or special:makesysop
[20:40:04] <Korolen>	OK, Userrights seems to do what I want, thanks. Whats the difference between beuracrat and sysop, though?
[20:40:16] <Korolen>	bureaucrat*
[20:40:25] <minute>	bureaucrat can change users rights, sysops cannot
[20:40:54] <Korolen>	Bureaucrat it is, then
[20:41:10] <minute>	Ja#
[20:41:32] <Korolen>	Oh wait I need both
[20:41:34] <Korolen>	>.<
[20:41:57] <minute>	Indeed, that would help.
[20:42:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) High values of "offset" parameter in logs don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913  +comment (10dragons_flight)
[20:54:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) High values of "offset" parameter in logs don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913  (10JSchulz_4587)
[21:10:22] <AaB-ern2>	minute: How is it possible to show thumbnails in safe mode?
[21:10:41] <minute>	It should be available by default
[21:10:45] <minute>	Not sure really.
[21:11:49] <AphelionZ>	I'm trying to find a way to create a special registration that behaves exactly the same as a normal registration except sends a different welcome email and does one extra database function.. does anybody have any suggestions about where to start?
[21:31:45] <Platonides>	AphelionZ, don't create a new registration
[21:31:51] <Platonides>	use hooks to change the existing one
[21:33:55] <gribeco>	hi; does the mediawiki or query api support diffs?
[21:34:23] <gribeco>	I'd like a bot to retrieve diffs between two revisions of a page, but with wiki markup, not final html
[21:39:36] <Duesentrieb>	gribeco: i don't think it does, sadly
[21:39:53] <Duesentrieb>	a way to get a clean, machine readable diff would be very nice
[21:40:24] <minute>	RSS
[21:40:26] <Duesentrieb>	brion blogged about the possibility of making differential dumps - i supposed that would be related
[21:40:35] <minute>	no
[21:40:38] <minute>	it wouldn't
[21:40:40] <Duesentrieb>	minute: nope. the rss contains html-encrusted diffs. a real pain to extract.
[21:40:45] <minute>	ahh, ok
[21:40:50] <Duesentrieb>	it's possible (i do it), but it sucks
[21:41:03] <minute>	It wold be easier to stick something onto the api.
[21:41:16] <Duesentrieb>	easier than?...
[21:41:24] <minute>	s/easier/easy
[21:44:15] <AphelionZ>	Platonides - ok, I'll look into it and come back with some more questions i guess
[21:44:39] <FreeNom___>	anybody know if there is a cellphone/pda/Nokia 800/810/... with GPS and mobile MediaWiki on it?
[21:45:10] <FreeNom___>	or will be in the near future
[21:45:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add support for machine-readable diffs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11865 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (gribeco)
[21:46:02] <AaB-ern2>	How is it possible to show thumbnails in safe mode?
[21:46:17] <gribeco>	Duesentrieb: thanks, I just whined about it ;)
[21:46:18] <minute>	FreeNom___: Who knows.
[21:46:35] <FreeNom___>	i hope sbdy will
[21:46:58] <minute>	Probably operator specific though, for example vodafone and their API.
[21:47:09] <FreeNom___>	i'd need that
[21:47:32] <FreeNom___>	i'm mean stand-alone
[21:47:32] <Duesentrieb>	AaB-ern2: either don't use imagemagic (GD is used instead, with generally worse quality)
[21:47:42] <FreeNom___>	*I
[21:47:49] <Duesentrieb>	AaB-ern2: or "somehow" allow the use of imagemagic (by putting it into a special directory or something)
[21:49:52] <Prod[a]>	anyone here have experience with the userCan hook?
[21:55:33] <FreeNom___>	nite all...
[21:56:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add support for machine-readable diffs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11865  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:57:09] <AaB-ern2>	Duesentrieb: Well, wouldn't it just be easier to deactivate safemode then?
[21:58:22] <minute>	Safe mode is fundamentally flawed.
[21:58:40] <minute>	You should avoid it at all costs, and it no longer exists in PHP 6.
[21:58:56] <AaB-ern2>	So i should just deactivate, or?
[21:59:45] <minute>	yes
[21:59:53] <minute>	*Never* user safe mode.
[22:03:34] <Duesentrieb>	AaB-ern2: sure. but that's not what you asked.
[22:03:39] <Duesentrieb>	!safemode
[22:03:39] <mwbot>	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[22:04:00] <Duesentrieb>	bah, too late i guess :)
[22:06:25] <AaB-ern2>	Duesentrieb: So if I want to deactivate it, i just have to make a line in .htaccess with this: safe_mode = Off
[22:06:37] <minute>	php
[22:06:40] <minute>	.ini
[22:06:49] <minute>	YOu can't if you do not have root access to the server.,
[22:07:14] <AaB-ern2>	I do have
[22:07:19] <minute>	so change php.ini
[22:07:22] <Duesentrieb>	yea, i don't think it can be turned off per dir. would make it kind of pointless
[22:07:41] <AaB-ern2>	Where is php.ini? Do i have to create it?
[22:08:53] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[22:08:57] <Duesentrieb>	depends on os
[22:09:04] <Duesentrieb>	on linux, somewhere under /etc
[22:09:14] <Duesentrieb>	actually, i have several, for different versions and entry points of php
[22:09:20] <Duesentrieb>	be sure to catch the right one
[22:09:31] <AaB-ern2>	My server is linux
[22:09:41] <AaB-ern2>	But where is that file? :o
[22:09:46] <Duesentrieb>	for me, the right one would be /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[22:10:05] <Duesentrieb>	but it might not be the right one for you, even if it exists
[22:10:08] <AaB-ern2>	Hmm. I'll guess i just ask Servage :-P
[22:10:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Localize block/protection duration keywords - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11866 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (gtisza)
[22:21:28] <lch>	AaB-ern2, create a test.php file with only <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it, then look at it
[22:21:37] <lch>	the php.ini location is in the first table
[22:21:53] <lch>	Configuration File (php.ini) Path
[22:27:09] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Add support for machine-readable diffs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11865  +comment (10gribeco)
[22:27:28] <Ryan_Lane|away>	AaB-ern2: cd /etc/; find . -name "*php*.ini"
[22:33:24] <gribeco>	another one: can I put text within a page that will prevent it from being indexed by google? I can't use robots.txt and <Meta name="Robots" Content="NOINDEX, NOFOLLOW"> for a Wikipedia page
[22:39:43] <AaB-ern2>	lch and Ryan_Lane|away: I had to do it in my Servage.net control panel :-)
[22:40:15] <AaB-ern2>	There was a box where i could choose yes or no :)
[22:41:56] <Ryan_Lane>	heh
[22:42:02] <Ryan_Lane>	that makes things easy eh?
[22:51:15] <CIA-37>	03brion * r27157 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (4 files): Commit interim work on SVG rasterization of full notice, plus support for HTML version of new notice using the people counter, supporting the live loading of counter info for text embedding.
[22:52:39] <yannf>	hello
[22:52:54] <yannf>	i have a problem with lilypond in mediawiki
[22:52:57] <yannf>	http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/index.php/User:Yann/test
[22:53:08] <yannf>	simple examples work
[22:53:17] <yannf>	but complex ones not
[22:53:52] <yannf>	http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/index.php/Belle_qui_tiens_ma_vie
[22:54:18] <yannf>	can someone help please?
[22:59:17] <Solumeiras>	Hi there. I've got a problem with my MediaWiki install - it's a system file
[23:00:21] <Solumeiras>	I don't know how to get CommonSettings.php and addwiki.php to work properly
[23:01:55] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: 
[23:02:20] <Solumeiras>	can anyone help?
[23:03:31] <Solumeiras>	hi White Cat
[23:05:29] <Solumeiras>	anyone able to help??
[23:07:22] <Solumeiras>	I set up MW 1.11 on WAMP, changed Localsettings.php slightly
[23:07:28] <Duesentrieb>	Solumeiras: those are hacks used by wikimedia to maintain a large number of wikis
[23:07:40] <Duesentrieb>	are you trying to do that same?
[23:07:59] <Solumeiras>	Duesentrieb, how do I configure it to work with my WAMP server and not Wikimedia??
[23:08:07] <Duesentrieb>	"it"?
[23:08:25] <Duesentrieb>	what, a single wiki? or a multi-wiki farm, with addwiki.php?
[23:09:01] <Solumeiras>	I am trying to set up a multi-wiki farm, like Wikimedia does (but for localhost). I'm trying to do this for my assignment in uni!
[23:09:31] <Solumeiras>	yes, addwiki.php as well
[23:09:55] <Duesentrieb>	uh, odd assignment. also, a wiki farm on windows?... why?
[23:10:11] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, it should work just like on any other platform. and i recommend to write it yourself.
[23:10:15] <Duesentrieb>	!farm
[23:10:15] <mwbot>	To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family>
[23:10:28] <Solumeiras>	thanks, mwbot
[23:11:04] <yannf>	Duesentrieb, any idea for my pb please?
[23:11:38] <Duesentrieb>	yannf: no. never tried lillipond. afaik it's highly expermimental and arcane.
[23:11:46] <yannf>	do i need to install something else?
[23:11:49] <Solumeiras>	I'm still not sure properly how to do it, nothing on mediawiki.org about it! At least makesysop works, between two wikis, even though it's not quite a wiki farm
[23:11:59] <Duesentrieb>	yannf: i have no idea. ask the people wo wrote it
[23:13:32] <minute>	Solumeiras: If you are trying to establish a wiki farm it is assumed that you have in-depth knowlege of how MediaWiki works and a intermite understanding of the platform you are working on.
[23:13:35] <Duesentrieb>	Solumeiras: i donÄt know about the more intricate points myself, i have never done it. all i can say is: LocalSettings.php is a script, you can check the reuested hostname/pathes, and depending on that, include different config for different wikis. the rest is details...
[23:14:05] <Solumeiras>	I've created a page on mediawiki org called Manual:Wiki farm and WAMP.
[23:14:13] <Solumeiras>	I'm a beginner to MediaWiki install
[23:14:13] <Duesentrieb>	Solumeiras: as for using addwiki - that probably relies on linux (and possibly even on fixed pathes or other nasty stuff=)
[23:14:28] <Solumeiras>	addwiki won't run from cmd commandline on Windows XP Home edition??
[23:14:34] <Duesentrieb>	i have no idea
[23:14:34] <minute>	it will
[23:14:35] <Duesentrieb>	try it
[23:14:55] <Solumeiras>	i did try it but it didn't work - this is what<br>i
[23:15:01] <Duesentrieb>	runn9ign a wiki farm on xp home strikes me as inheritely silly, though
[23:15:39] <Solumeiras>	I know it's silly, but it's purely for my university coursework on PHP - my website is my final-year project
[23:16:30] <minute>	Running a MediaWiki farm doesn't really show much understanding of PHP.
[23:16:55] <Solumeiras>	It's not so much the PHP that's the issue, it's maintaining a website... and this is a "walled garden" so to speak
[23:17:32] <minute>	ahh, ok
[23:17:50] <Solumeiras>	Now you see!
[23:17:57] <AphelionZ>	What are my options in the event that a hook does not exist?
[23:18:14] <Duesentrieb>	AphelionZ: add it, submit a patch that adds it
[23:18:24] <AphelionZ>	k
[23:18:31] <Duesentrieb>	AphelionZ: patches that just add a hook, in a sine way, in a sane place, tend to be committed swiftly
[23:18:39] <Solumeiras>	I've already got screenshots of my MediaWiki install working perfectly...
[23:19:46] <Solumeiras>	anyway, thanks so far, minute and Duesentrieb
[23:19:51] <minute>	np
[23:20:10] <AphelionZ>	I need some help with adding in this hook - I want it to send an alternate welcome mail to a certain group of users based on a parameter im passing from the registration form... I assume I want to modify the sendConfirmationMail function in /includes/User.php
[23:20:48] <AphelionZ>	http://rafb.net/p/k9ltRE78.html
[23:20:58] <Solumeiras>	I got the following extensions to work: Makesysop, Makebot, ParserFunctions and Oversight but not CheckUser (not that it's needed anyway, it was just for test!)
[23:22:18] <AphelionZ>	could I wrap the return statement at line 11 with an if wfRunHooks['AlternateConfirmatonMail'] ?
[23:23:39] <Solumeiras>	anyone able to help?
[23:27:59] <AphelionZ>	Solumeiras: guess it's just you and me
[23:28:04] <AphelionZ>	what problem are you having?
[23:39:51] <slakr>	ugh... xp home. *shivers*
[23:40:00] <minute>	Windows is awesome.
[23:40:13] <slakr>	minute > except for the fact it's windows.
[23:41:11] <yannf>	minute, yes when it is closed ;)
[23:41:21] *slakr 	^5's yannf
[23:41:41] <yannf>	anyone knows lilypond here?
[23:41:53] <slakr>	I can easily say that windows is singlehandedly the cause of most of the problems on teh intertubes right now.
[23:43:38] <AphelionZ>	Dusentrieb: http://rafb.net/p/LSYuRH50.html :-/
[23:45:36] <Duesentrieb>	AphelionZ: that seems wrong. if a hook returns true, normal progressing should continue. if it returns false, normal processing should be skipped. what you are doing seems to be the opposite.
[23:45:47] <Duesentrieb>	also, in the "else" case, the function returns no value.
[23:45:57] <Duesentrieb>	it should
[23:46:05] <Duesentrieb>	if need be, use a reference param
[23:47:42] <AphelionZ>	ok I switched it over
[23:47:52] <AphelionZ>	what do you mean by reference param
[23:47:58] <minute>	slakr: I would choose Windows anyday, Linux has its uses, but for the casual desktop user Windows can be and is a better choice. I prefer Windows and will do until most major games and software manufacturers start releasing on Linux.
[23:48:36] <AphelionZ>	basically what I want to do is have my extension function hook in right there with a new, nearly identical return statement with a different wfMsg message
[23:48:51] <AphelionZ>	based on a parameter in either the $_POST or $_GET variable
[23:49:01] <AphelionZ>	is that reasonable?
[23:54:05] <Duesentrieb>	AphelionZ: yes, but you have to somehow make it *return* something from that function.
[23:54:12] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, i'm going to bed.