[00:35:47] is it possible to default rendering of tags to HTML unless there are specific latex constructs inside that HTML cannot handle itself? [00:37:15] lch: not within the page [00:37:23] there's a user option that lets you do just that [00:37:26] but it's, well, per-user [00:37:47] mhm [00:38:21] but I can set a default value for users that aren't logged in? [00:39:27] no [00:39:29] well [00:39:35] the default is whatever the Mediawiki default is [00:39:38] you can't do anything yourself [00:40:00] so where do I set the mediawiki default? [00:40:00] lch, yes, you can. [00:40:01] Somehow. [00:40:10] I can't remember how to set default user preferences, but it's possible. [00:40:17] *Simetrical pokes [00:41:02] $wgDefaultUserOptions [00:41:54] thanks [00:43:36] mhm, I don't see an option for the math [00:44:31] Kurt, you meant the Math tab in Special:Preferences right? [00:45:10] yeah [00:45:12] what does "Recommended for modern browsers" mean? [00:45:43] just that [00:47:25] what qualifies a browser as "modern"? [00:47:31] I think it means that yoru etch a sketch won't display the page properally [01:16:07] 03(NEW) Running maintenance/orphans. php --fix causes lock error on redirect table (w/patch) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11867 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (robla) [01:20:49] is there an admin to block this spammer? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tomjoy [01:21:23] !admin [01:25:42] never mind, i did [01:25:47] heh [01:27:47] bye all [01:27:52] ciao [01:37:32] hello [01:38:58] i want to ask [01:39:00] if the TOKEN [01:39:03] in AIP [01:39:07] is DEFINITE [01:39:10] of VARIABLE [01:39:32] its always like that or it will change by time? or by session? [01:40:02] hello developer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:41:16] hllo [01:41:35] hello~ [01:41:48] Hello. [01:42:00] I'm assuming you mean the edit token issued by the MediaWiki API? [01:42:08] no [01:42:12] the question is [01:42:17] the token [01:42:21] is always change [01:42:35] or its just like that from the begining when the user registered [01:42:45] Whick token? [01:42:48] Which*. [01:42:59] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Login_and_account_creation [01:43:39] the token include in API [01:43:50] Okay, so the login token issued by the API. [01:43:57] yes [01:44:00] I'm pretty sure it changes on every login. [01:44:16] im trying [01:44:30] to implement the login detail from Wiki to other program [01:45:00] is there any definite token ? which i could use to implement it easier? [01:45:58] What are you using to log in? PHP? [01:46:15] php [01:47:35] The important thing is the cookies which the API returns. You can log in your PHP script with a class like Snoopy, but if you want to log in a user through PHP you'd need to send the cookies to the client. [01:47:47] For example code to log in through PHP, see [01:48:44] how about the token? [01:48:53] can you check out if its really change [01:48:58] when we relog? [01:49:36] Yes, by reading the page returned and comparing it to what you got last time; but why do you care if it changed? [01:50:13] if it not change, i could use it as hash for login ^_^ [01:50:23] make life easier [01:53:11] how does token calculated? [01:54:16] Hello again, folks. I was here a few days ago, asking for help with mediawiki 0.7 and postgresql on Ubuntu, and you told me you wouldn't support an ancient version. Well, guess what? I installed mediawiki 1.10.2 and I still can't run the configuration script successfully, it can't connect to the DB. [01:55:02] did you setup Postfresql properly? [01:55:22] setToken() -> where is this function slavepersona? [01:55:35] I have no idea. [01:55:46] not developer? [01:55:53] Nope. [01:55:53] Depends on your notion of properly. I can do "pgsql wikiuser wikidb" without any problem on the console. What else do I need? [01:56:13] Well, I develop scripts for users of MediaWiki, not MediaWiki itself. [01:56:27] :D [01:56:51] sorry [01:57:00] have no idea about postgre [01:57:08] havent use it for a while [01:57:15] but it troublesome [01:57:40] so you develop the script for users? you mean users login.. blah blah? [01:57:54] I think nobody here uses it, judging by the lack of info on the wiki... [01:58:18] taduyducvn: For example, requires login to extend the API return limit. [01:58:45] That one is not a public tool, though. [01:59:06] let me check [02:01:05] what is the passphrase? [02:02:43] So, can anyone help me with connection to PostgreSQL? [02:02:50] vnevoa, G_SabinoMullane can. [02:03:01] vnevoa, if he's here. If he's not, find his e-mail address and e-mail him. [02:04:06] Thanks... I think. (that was so fast, I believe I'm talking to a bot...) [02:04:17] taduyducvn: it's there to prevent public access, so I'm not going to give it out. The script runs a lot of queries and is pretty intensive. :) [02:04:40] he he [02:05:07] Don't ask if anyone's around, just ask [02:05:12] ha ha [02:05:23] i like this [02:05:36] https://damnian.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/damnian/phpBB3/MediaWiki/root/includes/auth/auth_mediawiki.php [02:05:41] i have this one [02:05:58] integrate users between mediawiki and phpbb3 [02:06:36] vnevoa: Going offline in a few minutes, so ask away... [02:08:36] Ok thx, so the config script says "couldn't connect".... [02:08:46] where do I start? [02:10:08] host name [02:10:16] check your host name [02:10:20] change from localhost [02:10:22] to the IP [02:10:27] or domain [02:12:07] nope, won't do... 127.0.0.1, real IP, and domain.... [02:12:16] vnevoa: If not running on the standard port (5432), change that. Double check username. If not using listen_address, leave the host field blank. [02:12:49] can anyone here help me with the token? I tried to login and logout, the token remain the same as before. So iam wondering if token ever change... [02:13:01] vnevoa: See if you can connect from the command line with the same args: psql -h -U [02:13:31] vnevoa, it was fast because I happened to look at the window exactly when you typed your request. \o/ [02:14:52] can anyone here help me with the token? I tried to login and logout, the token remain the same as before. So iam wondering if token ever change... [02:14:55] BINGO!!! psql: FATAL: no pg_hba.conf entry for host "127.0.0.1", user "wikiuser", database "wikidb", SSL off [02:15:08] try the domain [02:15:11] localhost? [02:15:17] try localhost [02:15:25] I was doing that, but without the -h arg. [02:15:34] and it worked. [02:16:01] so its OK now? [02:16:04] your wiki [02:16:21] So, if it's not asking too much, what localhost line should I add to pg_hba.conf?... [02:17:00] G_SabinoMullane [02:17:06] pls answer [02:17:35] vnevoa: host all all 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 trust [02:17:45] taduyducvn: Have some patience [02:18:04] ha ha [02:18:09] I'm running the DB and apache on the same machine, and need only local access. want it secure. is that secure? [02:18:17] vnevoa: Have to run. Ask in #postgresql if you still have more questions. [02:18:28] Ok, thanks! :) [02:18:48] is there anyone know about users? [02:23:06] OK, folks, I got it connected. I just wish this config line was written somewhere on the wiki where the postgresql info is.... [02:23:59] Aparently MD5 security isn't acceptable for mediawiki to connect to pgsql... [02:24:40] Good night all. :) [02:26:34] bye [02:35:04] can anyone here help me with the token? I tried to login and logout, the token remain the same as before. So iam wondering if token ever change... [03:00:42] the token changes when you change your password [03:02:47] Tim, quick question: Is it possible to call a template inside a template reference? Like so: {{{ {{Template}} }}} [03:03:07] I assume the parser order won't allow it... I can't seem to get it to work. [03:03:13] yes, but it's called a template argument not a template reference [03:03:21] sorry, :) [03:03:24] It IS possible? [03:03:29] yeah, should be [03:03:43] hmmm.. any special syntax or ? [03:03:50] have you tried a simple test case? [03:03:57] yup, one sec [03:04:52] wow [03:05:05] not sure what happenned there. :( [03:05:06] It works [03:05:16] I SWEAR I tried several times. [03:05:25] I haven't been sleeping well lately. [03:05:29] Cheers. ;) [03:14:29] thanks for that [03:14:31] he he [03:14:48] this s good enough [03:15:57] TimStarling: hi. how's your new place? [03:16:22] it's good [03:16:27] where? [03:16:27] I need a new computer though... [03:16:34] sydney [03:16:39] :D [03:16:43] wow [03:16:48] where do you work? [03:17:02] I work from home [03:17:05] got to restart it a couple of times, bbl [03:17:16] ha ha [03:17:29] poor tim :-/ [03:18:52] ha ha [03:19:07] are you all developer of wiki? [03:19:32] taduyducvn, TimStarling is one of the core developers, I'm a sort of hanger-on developer (but I do have commit access, yes). [03:19:51] wow [03:19:53] :D [03:19:53] G_SabinoMullane is a developer for pgsql support. [03:20:09] i like this [03:20:15] No one else who's talked since you came in is a dev. [03:20:26] At least as far as I know. [03:20:37] so how many ypeople in dev team? [03:21:19] Like five who could charitably be described as active, if you exclude internationalization/extensions/API/special-purpose branches. [03:21:36] The two core ones are paid, namely brion and TimStarling. [03:22:13] Us others do it for fame and glory and something to add to our CV. [03:24:14] :)) [03:24:18] fame [03:24:20] :D [03:24:33] how about the wiki founder [03:24:37] where is he? [03:24:50] here we go [03:25:03] lol [03:25:20] ha ha [03:25:34] taduyducvn > he lives in a dark cave, guarded by a fierce dragon [03:25:40] taduyducvn, Magnus Manske wrote the software to start with. He doesn't hang out here much, he's not really active anymore in development. [03:25:43] =)) [03:25:54] Let's leave it at: [03:25:54] . any special syntax or ? [03:25:55] have [03:25:55] If you mean, like, Jimbo Wales, he couldn't code his way out of a paper bag, he's like an entrepreneur. [03:25:56] . any special syntax or ? [03:25:56] have [03:25:57] . any special syntax or ? [03:25:57] have [03:25:59] eek! [03:26:02] damn [03:26:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales [03:26:15] so he is the fist person who dev this wiki [03:26:17] the pastemonster got jamie_hari [03:26:23] He also doesn't have the time for IRC much. When he does, it's usually #wikipedia or #wikipedia-admins or something. [03:26:25] medic!!! [03:26:38] :D [03:26:52] he's younger than my father [03:26:54] =)) [03:27:10] *slakr sprays jamie_hari with Anti-Paste(tm)... it's the same stuff that's used on the kids that ate the paste in kindergarten [03:28:16] Employees 12 paid employees [03:28:18] :| [03:28:28] Revenue $1,508,039 [03:28:30] :| [03:29:36] 1,508,039 / 12 = 125669 / 12 = 62834 monthly :D [03:29:40] nice one [03:31:30] taduyducvn > most goes toward operating expenses. [03:31:33] The budget for the next fiscal year is considerably larger. [03:31:48] I think the hardware/software budget is like $4 million? [03:31:49] *Simetrical goes to look [03:32:20] Simetrical > I wouldn't doubt it, but $4 million _does_ seem like it's excessive for hw/sw [03:32:22] i juz wonder if people donate them 4mil [03:32:38] No, that's total. [03:32:42] oh [03:32:51] $4.6 million total, $2.6 to technology. [03:33:05] so how much is the donate money? [03:33:13] taduyducvn, all of it. [03:33:17] slakr, this is a top-ten website. The other top-ten websites probably spend that much on coffee. [03:33:23] Well, maybe not so much anymore. [03:33:50] But come on, what's Google's tech budget? A thousand times as big? [03:33:52] ha ha [03:34:02] Simetrical > understandable, but the very fact that it's a top ten website allows for lots of breathing room in pricing... not only economies of scale but bragging rights for "we host wikipedia" [03:34:03] did you meet our wiki founder? [03:34:07] (help host) [03:34:19] taduyducvn, where else do you think it gets money, other than donations? [03:34:24] except for the paid developer, of course [03:34:31] i dont know that [03:34:31] Simetrical > though, I'd rather too much than too little :> [03:34:36] donate [03:34:40] is the big roll [03:34:40] slakr, uh, pricing? It just buys the bandwidth. All the servers are owned, in a colocation center. [03:34:52] slakr, you think Dell's going to give Wikipedia a discount? Maybe . . . [03:34:59] ha ha [03:35:05] slakr, not much economy of scale when you only own like 500 servers. [03:35:18] taduyducvn, I've had a couple of brief e-mail conversations with Jimbo. [03:35:28] I have met Jimmy once [03:35:31] other than the money use for servers, operation, the money for the new wiki project [03:35:31] Simetrical > right, but that's what I'm saying... bulk == good. [03:35:54] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising [03:35:56] this one [03:36:02] kinda big [03:36:07] Simetrical > granted, it stands to reason that upgrades/failures will need to be fixed or replaced [03:36:23] *slakr shrugs [03:36:31] slakr, can you really get big cuts if you're buying 200 servers? It seems unlikely. [03:36:43] Simetrical > bigger cuts than buying 1 [03:36:44] slakr, but yeah, they have to pay for power, staff, bandwidth. [03:36:49] right. [03:37:03] slakr, maybe. I doubt you could wrangle anything custom out of Dell or whatever, but you never know. I'm not sure anyone's tried. [03:37:11] *slakr just doesn't know how bad the bandwidth is [03:37:13] wiki have plenty of server all over the world, not only in 1 colo [03:37:15] :( [03:37:34] or maybe not only dell, its SUN, blah blah [03:38:03] slakr, some gigabits per second. 42,000 requests/second at peak load. It's all available online, they have all the server-monitoring software on the Web. [03:38:10] I really wish they'd spend a bit of that money to get a few more paid developers. [03:38:24] I agree Simetrical, two more FT devs would be nice [03:38:41] Simetrical > oh yay... the last wiki stats thinggy I found was deprecated [03:38:41] taduyducvn, there are three colos. The primary one is Tampa, there are some Squids in Seoul and Amsterdam. And one in Paris, maybe, but I'm not sure that's used anymore? [03:38:44] What other top-10 site can claim 2 technical employees? [03:38:56] slakr, I'm talking about real-time stuff. [03:38:58] Simetrical > I actually owuld love to see mrtg graphs just out of curiosity [03:39:01] *slakr shrugs [03:39:05] that's what I'm saying [03:39:08] jamie_hari, we have more than two, just only two are paid as developers. [03:39:15] *slakr didn't know it was out htere [03:39:24] *Simetrical tries to remember the URLs [03:39:36] Right... but that is what I am saying... Imagine Google/Yahoo/MSN could get away with PAYING only 2 [03:39:46] i'd like to work for google :D [03:39:49] or wiki [03:40:01] maybe i should try to join the dev team [03:40:03] ha ha [03:40:04] jamie_hari > a. non-profit, and b., non-profit. I say b., because I find it more fun doing things for free than being paid to do so, and I would guess a lot of other wikipedians would agree [03:40:27] We wouldn't be here otherwise. ;) [03:40:34] jamie_hari > it's relatively self-sustaining [03:40:34] ha ha [03:40:41] Working hard to make other people $$, isn't 'fun' [03:40:49] (unless they pay you too) [03:40:50] the only non-sustainable part without physical access is the growth [03:40:51] jamie_hari, no, there are more than two paid tech employees. Just two are developers, the rest are server admins and stuff. [03:41:11] I thought Brion did some server admin stuff [03:41:11] how about content admin? [03:41:13] slakr, what about physical access? [03:41:15] Who is lead on that? [03:41:16] jamie_hari, yes, he's CTO. [03:41:24] ahh [03:41:25] jamie_hari, so technically he's in charge of everything, which sucks. [03:41:36] :| [03:41:36] taduyducvn, these are wikis, there are no heads of content. [03:41:37] Sux for him, great for the world at large [03:41:49] ;) [03:41:52] :D [03:41:54] Simetrical > when it comes to en.wp [[sustainability]], wikipedia is non-sustainable without hardware upgrades and on-call development. [03:41:56] jamie_hari, no, sucks for the world at large, because he has to do everything and so can get a lot less done than if he were just lead developer. [03:42:01] slakr, obviously, yes. [03:42:16] Simetrical > that's all I was pointing out for the reasoning behind 2 full-time employees. [03:42:23] :) [03:42:33] i cant beleive that wiki have 12 member for a large wiki like this [03:42:42] they supose to have 100+ [03:42:47] slakr, here are some stats. http://www.nedworks.org/~mark/reqstats/ [03:42:48] for server managa [03:42:53] blah blah [03:43:01] We also have a Ganglia, if that's the name of the software package and not like the server that runs it. [03:43:05] How do you figure? They work 31 hours/day. :) That is like 37 employees! [03:43:11] taduyducvn > a lot of the functionality of wikimedia projects is through plugins, as well, which aren't necessarily done by one of the 12 developers (nor the 2) [03:43:41] :D [03:43:47] the server resource [03:43:49] DDOS [03:43:52] blah blah [03:43:56] security [03:44:06] someone mght hack the whole wiki [03:44:11] take down the knowlegde [03:44:11] slakr, I think there's two extensions enabled on any Wikimedia site that wasn't written by a core-ish dev. [03:44:19] Although not necessarily paid. [03:44:37] oh nice... 3 gbits/sec... thats a constant 384megabytes/sec [03:45:03] slakr, ah, here are some good stats. http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/ [03:45:20] Simetrical > keep in mind, not all of the extensions were necessarily written *after* the person became a developer. [03:45:30] *slakr doesn't know the history of them all, though [03:45:39] Well, some more. [03:45:49] slakr, maybe. Most are very old. [03:45:53] brion is here! [03:45:57] All hail! [03:46:10] haha... ganglia... I lubs it. I have cerebrum.* and cerebellum.* on some networks I run for logic-based and autonomic-based tasks, respectively [03:46:13] *slakr giggles [03:46:27] autonomic / coordination [03:46:40] I guess ganglia is the server's name, then. [03:46:46] *Simetrical was never clear on that [03:46:54] *brion yawns [03:46:56] evening all [03:47:04] CPUs Total: 880x2 + 44 [03:47:09] http://ganglia.sourceforge.net/ [03:47:14] they got 2000+ cPU [03:47:23] Monitoring software I think [03:47:25] taduyducvn, over 1 TB of RAM, too. [03:47:38] more than 1TB [03:47:40] taduyducvn, not so much, honestly, for this many servers. [03:47:40] i think [03:47:56] Parser::replaceVariables is up to 64.2% real CPU time. :( [03:47:58] yea [03:48:09] the 500 we talk about before [03:48:13] is not correct [03:48:17] 500x4 [03:48:28] taduyducvn, there's more than one CPU per machine. [03:48:35] hmm, isnt' a lot of that memcached? [03:48:39] isn't* [03:48:46] slakr, maybe. [03:48:48] oh, right [03:48:52] my mistake [03:48:56] so 4cpu per machine [03:48:58] (the memory, I mean) [03:49:04] may be 500 :D [03:49:06] 03aaron * r27158 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount.i18n.php ConfirmAccount_body.php): *Fix double use of message [03:49:15] normaly there are 4cpu per serv [03:49:27] 4? that's a lot :P [03:49:35] https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/All_servers [03:50:04] its true [03:50:10] 4 per machine [03:50:14] There are 343 listed there. [03:50:21] Probably out-of-date, though. [03:50:31] I know at least some are dual dual-core, so sure, four cores. [03:50:39] But I'm a dev, not a server admin, here. [03:51:15] its a lot [03:51:27] cpu [03:51:30] can have dual core [03:51:33] but 1 machine [03:51:37] can contain 4 cpu [03:51:44] you can check the mother board of server [03:51:50] it can contain up to 4 [03:51:52] *slakr wants to know who the people are on the toolserver who can still eat all 4 cores [03:51:59] as of the time i update this data [03:52:30] slakr, eh? [03:52:39] Here's a good source on Wikimedia hardware: http://highscalability.com/wikimedia-architecture [03:53:24] "MediaWiki scales well with multiple CPUs, so we buy dual quad-core servers now (8 CPU cores per box)" [03:53:41] managed by ~ 6 people [03:53:44] lol, I lvoe the gandalf... after all, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" [03:53:45] god [03:55:39] Focus on architecture, not so much on operations or nontechnical stuff. [03:55:40] *slakr wishes he was more of a hardware person [03:56:46] *slakr still thinks lighttpd+fcgi works better than apache for mw, but *shrug* [03:57:00] *taduyducvn too [03:57:28] *taduyducvn thinks lighttpd is a lot faster and use less CPU usage [03:58:10] honestly, though, I would suggest as a roadmap for the next couple years that core stuff should probably be turned into php extensions [03:58:29] if not outright apache modules [03:58:40] it'll save bajillions on server hardware costs [03:58:58] *slakr shrugs [03:59:12] 03brion * r27159 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/ (3 files): [03:59:12] Add $wgNoticeServerTimeout for expiring the cached notice data; setting this lower makes textual donor counts feasible. [03:59:12] Also add $progress thingy to go alongside $meter so we can have different meters in expanded and collapsed versions. [03:59:48] slakr, river says they would switch to lighttpd if not for all the Apache config files they'd have to switch over. [04:00:26] boo-yah [04:00:35] slakr, a couple of things are already done in compiled code. wikidiff2 implements the difference engine as a PHP module, and there's something similar for a fast strtr() replacement. [04:01:04] slakr, TimStarling has muttered about rewriting replaceVariables similarly, and we all wish he'd do it and would love him forever if he did. [04:01:31] Simetrical > replaceVariables? can you linkify? [04:01:43] Simetrical: i assigned it to him [04:01:47] i'm an evil taskmaster >:) [04:01:54] brion, yay! Any timetable? [04:02:00] when he's done with it i guess [04:02:03] it shouldn't break the site ;) [04:02:05] :) [04:02:14] slakr, it's a function, in Parser.php. It does all the curly-brace substitutions, like templates. [04:02:20] ahhh [04:02:26] Hi. What are my options for single-sign-on of a Gforge/MediaWiki site? [04:02:28] but we've seen worse and worse performance with deep templates and we're getting more complaints, so want it fixed :) [04:02:35] gotcha. If you want, I'll take a look at it [04:02:43] brion, is that 60-something% figure real, though? Does it multiply-count nested calls? Because it's more than the amount spent on parse(). [04:02:47] big part of the problem is the way everything is pre-expanded even with conditional constructs like #if: and #switch: [04:02:54] brion, when did you assign it to him? [04:03:01] Simetrical: this last week [04:03:02] vnevoa, you could use LDAP, probably. [04:03:08] he's been muttering for ages though ;) [04:03:10] slakr: hello, fellow Kurt [04:03:18] *slakr waves to Kurt2 [04:03:24] brion, oh, nice, so it's not some ancient thing. We should be able to expect something concrete soonish, probably, then. [04:03:24] we meet at last [04:03:33] *slakr plays dramatic music in the background [04:03:37] Thx. any other way? (apache?) [04:03:38] :) [04:03:50] *Kurt2 prefers Wagner's "Magic Fire Music" [04:04:43] gr33tz [04:04:43] vnevoa, there's an extension for simple HTTP auth, yes, if you want that. [04:05:14] is that bad security? [04:05:53] has anyone experienced a ton of vandalism recently on their wiki that consists of just inserting a random string of characters before the rest of the wikitext? [04:05:55] example: [04:05:57] http://www.lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=War:The_Cisco_Kid&diff=prev&oldid=1006672 [04:06:35] array_push( $this->mArgStack, $args ); <--- god I hate php's handling of arrays. [04:07:53] how to preven vandalism? [04:07:59] allow them to change [04:08:04] it looks like you could use a priority queue relatively easily [04:08:15] but roll back at when nessessary [04:08:27] how to do that? [04:08:46] Sean_Colombo, yes. [04:08:51] that's been our policy so far... but we're getting several dozen of these edits a day, and it's wasting the time of our admins [04:08:53] that would be exceptionally faster than PHP's arrays [04:09:13] Sean_Colombo, nickj just committed an extension CommentSpammer to fight that. [04:09:14] @Simetrical - do you know why they are doing it? ... is it just a test before spamming? [04:09:17] slakr, xml [04:09:18] Sean_Colombo, I have no idea. [04:09:28] hmm [04:09:34] cool.. thanks for the link [04:09:36] taduyducvn > I was talking about replaceVariables() [04:09:40] slakr, what do you mean, priority queue? Within PHP, or by rewriting it in some reasonably fast language? [04:09:52] Simetrical > C++ would be the fastest route [04:09:58] slakr, i didnt know [04:10:04] slakr, too fast [04:10:06] granted, it'll be mangled for PHP, which is C, but it'll work. [04:10:07] slakr, that's undoubtedly what Tim's doing. It's what he used for wikidiff2, anyway. [04:10:45] Simetrical > prolly. C or C++ would easily do the trick. [04:10:59] but C would take longer because C++ has builtin priority queues [04:11:24] slakr, apparently C programmer develop little personal libraries to handle things like that. [04:11:35] s/mmer/mmers/ [04:12:01] slakr, at least my father told me he did, when he worked in C. He admitted they were practically all useless when he started using C++, with its STL. (Yeah, I'm like 19, BTW. :P) [04:13:29] Simetrical > well, he has a point, C++ hides steps that a C programer would hate, but the steps are, imo, trivial for desktop/server applications, as they maintain the ability to use raw C if absolutely needed and even better, asm (just like C) [04:14:23] *slakr shrugs [04:14:41] plus, for the neat freaks, C++ is a more friendly :P [04:17:54] 03brion * r27160 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: [04:17:54] Let English text be special-cased in the notice... [04:17:54] Defaults will go at 'MediaWiki:Centralnotice-blah', and special-case [04:17:54] English overrides can go at 'MediaWiki:Centralnotice-blah/en', which [04:17:54] will be skipped over in fallback language processing. [04:17:55] This lets us enable something on English wikis without forcing all [04:17:59] other languages to make the same change before localizations are ready. [06:10:34] I can't figure out where the permissions take place, what file, I'm talking about $wgGroupPermissions [06:10:36] anyone know? [06:11:39] oh you have to add it in yourself? [06:12:23] yes [06:12:29] LocalSettings.php [06:12:31] yea [06:13:07] oh okay, I want to make it so that only me, the admin, can do things to do the wiki, and anyone else can only read, so would I set the respective things to false for what group? [06:13:09] BlaenkDenum: you find it on the root directory [06:13:14] I'm reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions [06:13:19] BibTeX: yeah I know thanks [06:13:30] :s [06:13:32] ok [06:13:40] haha I said thanks :( [06:13:41] should search wiki fist [06:13:50] taduyducvn_: I said I'm reading the wiki page on it [06:13:57] ok [06:13:59] ;) [06:14:03] I'm reading that, but I don't know which one I'd do it to, ['user'] seems to be someone who has an account, but I want to apply it to them as well as any random person that stops by [06:14:14] would I use ['*'] then? but then would that apply to me as well? [06:14:32] try default user group [06:14:33] basically I want it so that only I (admin/sysop) am able to do things [06:14:58] change * to your default user group [06:15:00] taduyducvn_: but I thought user group ( ['user']) was only for those who have an account, I also don't want random visitors editing/etc. [06:15:03] that will do [06:15:13] guest [06:15:16] oh okay [06:15:23] i think this coulld be right choice [06:15:25] so I should apply it to ['user'] and ['guest'] [06:15:31] right? [06:15:31] yes [06:15:33] both [06:15:34] okay thanks :) [06:16:02] only ['read'] should be true then [06:16:20] im not sure [06:16:57] but you're suer that ['guest'] exists [06:18:05] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Prefix_Security/PageRestrictionHooks_v1.1.0 [06:18:08] i found this [06:18:38] oh 'user' does exist thanks [06:18:49] oh wait I got it [06:19:22] ;) [06:19:40] i finaly got the API user to work, thank you DEV :D [06:19:46] DEVs [06:21:53] man it's not working for me [06:21:59] I just created an account and it's able to edit [06:22:18] user [06:22:20] that one [06:22:23] you should do it [06:22:29] with guest and user [06:22:31] both [06:22:43] guest doesn't exist [06:22:54] I just did *, then reset the caps for sysop (me) [06:23:10] so I did the stuff false for * and then made them true for sysop which should give me the effect i want [06:23:16] how about * fist [06:23:18] and then [06:23:21] Sysop [06:23:22] that's what I did [06:23:30] but I think I'm not doing this right, I have to put it in LocalSettings.php right? [06:23:31] i mean line position [06:23:41] the line of * come before Sysop [06:23:54] all you have to do is in LocalSetting [06:24:15] do I have to include the declaration, $blah = arra(); [06:24:17] array(); [06:24:28] $wgGroupPermissions = array(); [06:24:32] do I have to include that [06:24:34] at the beginning [06:24:40] you may have to do a little research [06:27:15] oh it's working now i think [06:38:03] is there a way to revert to an older revision of an article, rather than just rolling back to the one before it [06:42:45] anyone [06:43:37] please, taduyducvn_ [06:43:56] ah [06:44:00] there is no way [06:44:04] revise [06:44:09] is revised [06:44:33] so I can't pick up an old revision from a year ago and make it the current one [06:44:56] i think so, unless they have a tracker that good enough [06:45:06] currently they use subversion [06:45:27] why there is only me who help you [06:45:27] :| [06:45:40] where is everyone [06:45:54] DEV team.. where are you? [06:46:52] taduyducvn_: is there any way to see a list of users/ [06:47:02] yes [06:47:04] please wait [06:47:11] check out your special page [06:47:13] taduyducvn_: oh no by revision I meant article revision heh, on my wiki [06:47:20] alright thanks taduyducvn_ will do [06:47:25] ah [06:47:27] there is [06:47:35] taduyducvn_: really? can you please tell me? sorry [06:47:41] its my last question i promise [06:47:47] log in as admin [06:48:13] &action=history [06:48:15] put this [06:48:20] at the end of the page [06:48:22] url [06:48:26] you will see the history [06:48:27] okay :) thanks [06:48:34] or you can see there is a tab [06:48:35] history [06:48:47] well yeah I know that [06:48:55] but I don't know how to apply it [06:49:07] I only know about rollback but that only does it to the version right before it [06:49:11] do you know how? [06:49:14] http://wiki.ani.vn/Special:Userrights [06:49:50] http://wiki.ani.vn/Special:Listusers [06:50:09] what do you mean [06:50:16] at your last question? [06:54:18] taduyducvn_: okay you know how i can see my article's history [06:54:24] well how can i choose say the oldest one and apply it [06:54:37] so that it is now the current article, make sense? [06:54:49] by oldest i mean oldest version of that article [06:55:27] chose compare [06:55:31] from your current [06:55:39] up to your post that you want to change [06:55:44] and then click compare [06:55:47] go to edit [06:55:52] okay [06:55:58] copy the code [06:56:02] go back to the main page [06:56:04] paste it [06:56:28] oh really haha, I knew THAT, but I thought there was a simpler way much like the rollback feature [06:56:35] thanks anyways taduyducvn_ [06:56:44] ha ha [06:56:48] that's a problem [06:56:50] or [06:56:54] you can check out [06:56:57] some extension [06:56:59] ;) [06:57:02] this might help [07:01:10] taduyducvn_: you know of any extension? [07:01:21] i dont know [07:01:23] he he [07:01:27] try to write one [07:01:34] how to manage the position of the "Content" menu box? [07:01:50] no answer for that [07:11:23] could we disable this MENU from the page?? [07:11:30] "Contents" I mean [08:26:36] <_wooz> lo [08:46:01] 03amidaniel * r27161 10/trunk/extensions/CentralNotice/SpecialNoticeText.php: Donor count is stuck at 11,861. I *believe* this is the culprit--it's recaching the same value each time it's requested, never letting it expire. [08:51:58] 03(FIXED) Allow anonymous users to create pages in non-talk, non-article namespaces. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11240 +comment (10matthew.britton) [09:09:44] hello [09:09:47] question here [09:09:59] about the expression #if [09:10:01] #else [09:10:41] do we need any extension [09:10:43] or template? [09:11:10] http://wiki.ani.vn/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:Nihongo [09:11:14] look at this one [09:11:23] kinda not work [09:19:06] parserfunctions extension [09:19:17] !parserfunctions [09:19:17] "parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see [09:20:34] how about wiki2latex? [09:28:24] how about wiki2latex? [09:28:40] where is the code for parser function? [09:45:39] what is the trick when i would like to use the Template:Infobox_Software in my stock plain mediawiki installation? it looks like the parser doesnt like the template because i get weird HTML [09:45:54] yes [09:46:01] is there a extra extension needed? [09:46:08] we need to get the parserfunction [09:46:14] do you know where is the code [09:46:15] >"< [09:46:18] i asking [09:46:21] no one reply [09:46:27] mwbot> "parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see [09:46:33] this is the only one [09:46:44] need code [09:46:51] !tidy | joerg2 [09:46:51] joerg2: For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [09:47:05] joerg2, tell me if you get the code [09:47:29] joerg2: YOu must enable tidy and install parser functions. [09:47:45] Wow, someone's been teaching mah bot new words :) [09:47:47] ok.. let me see. [09:48:04] remain on wiki, joerg2 [09:48:09] amidaniel: Yes, it is very popular. We are eagerly awaiting more features ;) [09:48:37] 03(mod) Localize block/protection duration keywords - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11866 (10raimond.spekking) [09:48:42] where is the code for Parser? [09:48:47] minute: Haha, yeah, I saw. I'll try to implement some of them tomorrow if I get some time :) [09:48:55] taduyducvn_: includes/Parser.php [09:48:57] :) cool [09:49:12] what will i do [09:49:17] http://wiki.ani.vn/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:Nihongo [09:49:21] Nice to know he's getting used though :) [09:49:22] check this [09:49:54] i need to use expression [09:50:02] can you help me out [09:50:43] 03(FIXED) Protecting non-existent pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2919 +comment (10cannon.danielc) [09:50:47] can you help me out [09:50:49] i need to use expression [09:51:12] where can I make it work? [09:51:50] :( [09:51:58] PLEASE REPLY [09:53:00] taduyducvn: What exactly are you trying to do? [09:53:10] look at the link [09:53:14] http://wiki.ani.vn/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:Nihongo [09:53:19] this wont work [09:53:35] trying to implement expression into template [09:53:56] What expression? I am looking -- I don't get what the template is supposed to do [09:54:20] #if [09:54:27] #else [09:54:40] #else does not exist. [09:54:44] #ifeq [09:54:45] taduyducvn: You need to install ParserFunctions [09:54:53] i know [09:54:55] where can i get the code [09:55:01] !parserfunctions [09:55:01] "parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see [09:55:12] I cant find it there [09:55:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parser_function [09:55:32] taduyducvn look under Installation [09:55:39] there are 3 files [09:55:50] taduyducvn: Then here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ [09:56:07] but i wounder why the PHP close is not in there :) [09:56:22] thank you [09:56:30] they close in other files [09:56:33] :( [09:56:58] joerg2: You mean the ?> tag? [09:57:01] yes [09:57:24] Those are unnecessary and cause headaches ... we removed them from all the core code and extensions some time ago [09:57:33] amidaniel ok. [09:58:19] why? [09:58:38] why unecesary? [09:59:45] taduyducvn: The PHP is parsed fine without the closing tag. It terminates on EOF as well as on the tags. [10:00:01] The only time you need a closing tag is if you're mixing PHP with HTML [10:00:11] oh [10:00:13] :D [10:00:20] new concept for me [10:12:01] hm. leaving the closing tags, makes it easier to prevent those f^&ckin 'headers already sent by' messages. [10:12:26] Indeed :) [10:12:39] thats why i don't use them. [10:12:58] last time i got em, were on a windows machine. [10:13:23] where the code had some \r\n after the closing ?> [10:28:29] ok.. ParserFunctions is installed... and php have now tidy support... but the rendering doesnt work [10:29:36] i always got "visible" HTML code [10:29:56] 03(mod) Don't display MediaWiki:Talkpagetext on new discussion pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11863 (10raimond.spekking) [10:30:56] joerg2: Link? [10:31:26] Pathoschild its currently installed on a $local machine [10:31:47] Try editing the page and saving it (you don't have to change anything). [10:32:39] i install it again on a public machine... maybe someone can help me out. i bet its only some rtfm() or so :) [10:34:40] Do anyone know, how i can move my wiki to a new site? [10:41:12] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki [10:41:14] And WTF [10:41:38] Whoever decided to put that shit on the top of the screen needs a good talking too. [10:41:51] MinuteElectron: Love mail in #wikimedia. [10:42:04] :) [10:42:17] :) [10:44:36] hello [10:44:46] does anyone know lilypond here? [10:49:44] MinuteElectron: Where can I change the $IP? [10:49:53] LocalSettings.php [10:56:41] hi [10:59:19] MinuteElectron: Do i have to edit this: "$IP = dirname( __FILE__ );" or this: "$IP = MW_INSTALL_PATH;" [10:59:25] no [10:59:32] You shouldn't need to change $IP [10:59:54] 03(NEW) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (dmcdevit) [11:00:27] 03(FIXED) Portal (custom) namespace for Thai Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11846 +comment (10jeluf) [11:01:18] help me plz with install of mediawiki [11:01:55] look this www.fchichkel.com [11:02:02] 03(mod) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [11:03:16] MinuteElectron: Well, I do not move it from one host to another, just to a new subdomain. At first, my domain was installed in /www/wiki on my server. Now, I moved all files into a subdomain called www.wiki.mydomain.com which uses /wiki on my server. But what do I need to change, cause just moving the files into /wiki isn't working [11:03:53] You shouldn't need to change anything. [11:04:06] help me plz [11:04:14] Well, it does not work as it should. See here: www.wiki.pcmscandinavia.com [11:04:39] AaB-ern: You're likely looking for $wgScriptPath [11:04:47] And $wgArticlePath [11:05:00] look this www.fchichkel.com it's my problems [11:07:05] amidaniel: My settings as they are now: $wgScriptPath = "/wiki"; and isn't in LocalSettings.php, but in defaultsettings.php with this line: $wgArticlePath = false; /// default to "{$wgScript}/$1" or "{$wgScript}?title=$1", depending on $wgUsePathInfo [11:08:11] 03(FIXED) Add localization settings to the LocalSettings. php file of Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11834 +comment (10jeluf) [11:09:46] Can you help, amidaniel? :-) [11:10:44] Don't change DefaultSettings.php :) [11:13:06] It doesn't look like a problem with MediaWiki to me; are you sure it's in public_html, and you don't have some weird misconfigured /www/ ? [11:13:56] Pathoschild i have it now installed on a public server... http://wiki.irixworld.net/index.php/Setup_neko_apache2 and http://wiki.irixworld.net/index.php/Template:Infobox_Software [11:14:53] does the Infobox_Software template needs some more extension? [11:17:36] how to contact someone who knows lilypond extension? [11:22:28] Pathoschild: Well, my server is hosted at Servage, and i don't see ant public_html on my server? [11:22:39] with the installation of the ParserFunction i made a small step forwards.... but something stills missing :| [11:23:24] 03(FIXED) disallowing robots on talk pages and deletion and "meta" talk pages pages in de.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4937 +comment (10jeluf) [11:23:31] !tidy | joerg2 [11:23:31] joerg2: For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [11:23:34] joerg2: This is a pure guess (stress on guess), but did you try enabling tidy? [11:23:36] ... [11:23:41] Pathoschild: :D [11:23:44] :p [11:24:12] hmmmm [11:25:25] so much to learn... and the day only have 24h :) [11:26:25] 06(LATER) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 +comment (10jeluf) [11:26:33] Pathoschild and MinuteElectron: I just had to change $wgScriptPath = "/wiki"; to $wgScriptPath = ""; :-D [11:28:11] AaB-ern: Great. :) [11:28:51] 03(FIXED) Set logo for Hungarian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11708 +comment (10jeluf) [11:35:27] 03(FIXED) Correct project namespace for Kannada Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11717 +comment (10jeluf) [11:36:08] Pathoschild when $wgUserHtml is removed how to enable tidy? .. or simply set $wgTidyBin and $wgTidyConf? [11:36:24] No idea. [11:36:36] it doesnt change anything btw. [11:37:09] and i also cant believe that the original template from wikipedia produces invalid html in that way [11:37:24] it does [11:37:29] hehe [11:37:39] some esoteric behaviour of the parser [11:37:44] so you need tidy [11:37:47] period [11:39:33] it looks like that there is simply a htmlspecialchars() to much [11:39:48] tidy OR die :) [11:45:29] 14(INVALID) Import localization files for Crimean Tatar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 +comment (10jeluf) [11:46:21] JeLuF: I asked the i18n team for crimean tatar, they don't know nothing about it too. [11:46:45] closed as INVALID for now. [11:47:01] It's the submitters job to make clear what he wants. [11:47:03] JeLuF: I remember that user; hold on. [11:47:18] he can reopen it. [11:48:05] He has the localization files translated offline. I'm not sure how he expects us to get it from him if he doesn't attach them, though. [11:50:58] 03siebrand * r27163 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (14 files): [11:50:58] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [11:50:58] * myv, nl, oc, pl, pt, ro, scn, sdc, su, sv, tl, tr, vi, wa [11:54:32] Does MediaWiki use gettext? [11:56:53] Hello?! [11:57:59] imho not [11:58:21] because there are no *.po files, and the installer doesnt check for php ext/gettext [11:58:32] 03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 (10derbeth) [11:59:43] 03(FIXED) Two new namespaces for Portuguese Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11805 +comment (10jeluf) [12:01:14] uglyduck: No, MW has its own i18n tools [12:03:55] Hrm... [12:04:07] Why does a FOSS project not use the GNU gettext? [12:06:35] because there is a better alternative? [12:07:08] ... [12:07:12] Why use a non-standard format? [12:07:53] because gettext isn't that flexible or doesn't work as we would like? [12:08:43] because [[uncyclopedia:nobody cares|the dev's don't care]] about gettext? :) [12:09:09] ... [12:09:10] it would be foolish to not care about gettext [12:09:16] OK. Tell me what's wrong with it. [12:09:18] it just isn't suitable for mediawiki [12:09:53] But why is it not? [12:11:00] uglyduck34: what about windows? [12:11:55] What about what? [12:12:04] 03(mod) Install DidYouMean extension on the English Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794 -shell +need-review; +comment (10jeluf) [12:12:25] uglyduck34: performance (not sure about that), inflexible variables [12:12:39] and I don't know how well it integrates with php [12:12:50] It has a PHP module... [12:13:00] Hehe Monkeys evolved into humans, but Bush didn't care enough to evolve with them. [12:13:45] anyway, the current system suits us, no reason to change it [12:14:40] That's what Hitler said. [12:15:10] MediaWiki devs know better than you. [12:15:55] uglyduck34: if you really want to, you could write exporter/importer [12:16:31] but people are quite happy with php arrays and special:translate [12:17:25] Hrm... [12:18:38] 03(FIXED) Add "Portal" and "Dyskusja portalu" namespaces to Polish Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11786 +comment (10jeluf) [12:19:23] uglyduck34: so what's the problem again? [12:20:28] Nikerabbit: I just looked at the source... [12:20:36] This seems like a random choice made early on... [12:20:39] Which just stuck... [12:21:09] uglyduck34: random or not, it works well [12:21:16] The problem is I am trying to decide whethr to use gettext or not. [12:21:30] I see large problems with handling different grammar. [12:22:30] well, if you need anything fancy except plurals, you need to do it yourself, with gettext or without it [12:24:08] Not even plurals is easy. [12:25:17] uglyduck34: lot of duplication with gettext [12:25:39] not to say if there is multiple numbers in a message [12:27:04] Hrm... [12:27:19] Why is it so damn hard to show examples in docs?! [12:27:43] because it's work [12:28:02] it's gnu, they don't publish docs (or at least release notes between version on website, that's forbidden) [12:28:37] 03(FIXED) Allow blocked users to edit their own talk page on huwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11756 +comment (10jeluf) [12:30:45] ☃ [12:30:51] A little snowman. [12:34:01] 03(mod) Wikimedia squid error message needs update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11854 (10raimond.spekking) [12:40:51] Grrrrrr... [13:27:18] Is there a way to get the number of pages that link to a certain page? [13:36:38] SysRq868: i think if the table "links" isnt outdated, like this: select page_id from page where page_title="YourPage" and page_namespace=0; and then use that page_id in [13:36:54] select count(l_to) as number_of_links from links where l_from=12345 <--page_id [13:37:21] Thanks! [13:38:21] oh wait, or the other way around, count(l_from) . where l_to=12345 ? [13:38:45] I don't know, I'm on Wikia anyway. [13:38:57] Now I'm onto lob them into implementing that somewhere [13:42:34] Which is probably next to impossible. [13:48:48] 03(mod) Allow anonymous users to create pages in non-talk, non-article namespaces. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11240 (10robchur) [13:50:19] 03(mod) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 (10robchur) [13:52:38] 04(REOPENED) Protecting non-existent pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2919 +comment (10robchur) [14:24:01] 03(mod) Install Labeled Section Transclusion extension on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11766 -shell ; +comment (10jeluf) [14:31:55] 03(FIXED) Define Utilisatrice: as an alias for User: on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11682 +comment (10jeluf) [15:13:28] 03(mod) Set logo for Hungarian Wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11708 (10mrekavarga) [15:21:00] 03rotem * r27164 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Limit text field of deletion, protection and user rights changes reasons to 255 characters (already restricted in the database) [15:26:29] 03rotem * r27165 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Limit renameuser reason to 255 characters (already restricted in the database). [15:28:42] 03rotem * r27166 10/trunk/extensions/Makebot/Makebot.class.php: Limit makebot reason to 255 characters (already restricted in the database). [15:32:08] 03rotem * r27167 10/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop_body.php: Limit makesysop reason to 255 characters (already restricted in the database). [15:36:32] 03(mod) Special:Mypage and editintro from inputbox doesn't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11848 (10Eneas) [15:37:04] 03(mod) Define Utilisatrice: as an alias for User: on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11682 (10le.korrigan) [15:58:43] 03nikerabbit * r27169 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFf.php: * Encoding [16:16:28] 03(mod) Special:Mypage and editintro from inputbox doesn't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11848 +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [16:16:50] 03(mod) Don't display MediaWiki:Talkpagetext on new discussion pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11863 +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking) [16:21:12] 03rotem * r27170 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): In the deletion default reasons, calculate how much text to get from the article text, rather than getting 150 characters (which may be too much), and remove possible unfinished links [16:26:27] 03rotem * r27171 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Fixing comment - it is possible. [16:33:51] Hey, does anyone know why the template on this page is acting funny? http://gisle.wikia.com/wiki/Uncanny_Planet_Records [16:38:28] I'm trying to add a hook and i need some help - can somebody take a look at http://rafb.net/p/sLJkXr41.html and let me know if that looks right? I'm trying to set up an extension to send an alternate welcome email to a special class of users based on params in the $_GET or $_POST variables [17:05:03] can any recommend a sendmail-wrapper (or any other workaround) to send mail in a system where there is no working mta running? [17:05:18] jha: use Pear::Mail with an external smtp server [17:05:19] so, no /usr/bin/sendmail working. [17:06:35] Right now I'm getting the 'Unknown datatype in hooks for AlternateConfirmationEmail' [17:07:14] My Hook: http://rafb.net/p/sLJkXr41.html, my extension: http://rafb.net/p/WyRUP042.html [17:09:26] I assume it has something to do with passing things by reference or whatnot [17:14:21] flyingparchment: perhaps silly question, but how do i setup / parameters for Pear::Mail? [17:14:45] jha: see includes/DefaultSettings.php, there's some examples [17:15:15] hi; can I get the length of two revisions of a page (before/after a change) using a single API call? [17:15:58] prop=info will only return the length of the latest revision, I think [17:16:47] 06(LATER) Install PdfHandler extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215 +comment (10jeluf) [17:20:32] 03siebrand * r27172 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): [17:20:32] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [17:20:32] * ku-latn, no, pms, sdc, tr [17:23:22] 03(NEW) Update for Swedish localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11869 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel) [17:25:57] 03siebrand * r27173 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBcl.php: [17:25:57] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [17:25:57] * bcl [17:43:45] 03siebrand * r27174 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Update export format for MakeSysopMessageGroup [17:51:41] 03jeluf * r27175 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php: [17:51:41] Don't initialise wgCategoryTreeDefaultMode and wgCategoryTreeCategoryPageMode if they are already set. [17:51:41] Needed for http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11776 [17:57:10] 03siebrand * r27176 10/trunk/extensions/ (12 files in 11 dirs): [17:57:10] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [17:57:10] * Fixes and additions to 11 extensions for af, ar, bar, ca [17:57:10] * export format for MakeBotMessageGroup changed [17:57:10] * indentation for Makebot.i18n.php changed [17:57:11] * indentation for Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.i18n.php changes [18:03:51] What exactly does the automatic patrolling do? [18:17:29] 03siebrand * r27177 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 7 dirs): [18:17:29] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [18:17:29] * Fixes and additions to 6 extensions for cs, dsb, en, eo, [18:17:29] * export format for CountEditsMessageGroup, EditcountMessageGroup, NewestPagesMessageGroup changed [18:17:29] * indentation for CountEdits.i18n.php, SpecialEditcount.i18n.php, NewestPages.i18n.php changed [18:26:14] 03(NEW) impossible to save page modification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11870 04BLOCKER; highest; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bertrand.grondin) [18:39:04] 03(mod) impossible to save page modification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11870 (10bertrand.grondin) [18:46:10] 03siebrand * r27178 10/trunk/extensions/ (18 files in 17 dirs): [18:46:10] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [18:46:10] * Fixes and additions to 16 extensions for es, fa, fi, frp [18:46:10] * export format for AsksqlMessageGroup, BadImageMessageGroup, VoteMessageGroup changed [18:46:10] * indentation for Asksql.i18n.php, BadImage.i18n.php, Vote.i18n.php changed [19:19:48] 03siebrand * r27179 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Add more changed languages to RELEASE-NOTES [19:20:34] Hi : [19:20:50] I've a great problem with the last svn versio of mediawiki [19:21:04] I'ts impossible to save change now [19:21:22] I've the following message [19:21:24] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesTr.php [19:21:26] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSdc.php [19:21:28] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesPms.php [19:21:30] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesNo.php [19:21:34] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesKu_latn.php [19:21:36] file:///home/bertrand/mediawiki/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBcl.php [19:21:38] oups [19:21:40] Fatal error: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object in /data/web/6c/03/7c/grondin.tuxfamily.org/htdocs/includes/User.php on line 1110 [19:21:55] who has modified theses files ? [19:22:02] *flyingparchment looks [19:22:13] I think i have. [19:22:38] Grondin: you can't save any page? [19:22:54] yes, i can't save any page [19:23:12] Grondin: checking [19:23:30] hmm, looks like it only hurts when wgBlockAllowsUTEdit is enabled [19:23:41] try to modify any page in http://grondin.tuxfamily.org [19:23:46] okay, i can reproduce it here [19:23:46] Impossiblol [19:24:17] Grondin: I just svn up-ed and cannot reproduce. Which interface language are you using? [19:24:31] french language [19:24:31] siebrand: set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true; [19:24:39] siebrand: in isBlockedFrom(), $title is null [19:25:02] hmm wait, maybe not null.. [19:25:04] flyingparchment: hmm, it is not in the localisation files? If it is not, I cannot help... [19:25:29] flyingparchment: I do not change outside localisation and some code in extensions Translate. [19:26:15] 03river * r27180 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: missing global $wgTitle causes errors on page save [19:26:17] Grondin: please svn up and see if it's fixed (r27180) [19:26:24] flyingparchment: ah :) [19:26:26] ok [19:26:27] flyingparchment: thanks. [19:26:29] I try [19:26:40] looks like david broke it :) [19:27:00] flyingparchment: was that Windows only? I just tested on linux and I didn't have the problem... [19:27:12] siebrand: no. but you need to enable $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit [19:27:22] flyingparchment: hmm, no idea wht that option is for,.. ;) [19:27:34] siebrand: allows a blocked user to edit his talk page [19:27:37] ah [19:27:37] 03(mod) Update for Swedish localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11869 (10lejonel) [19:27:53] it runs [19:28:00] thanks flyingparchment [19:28:57] I'm testing more modifications [19:31:59] 03siebrand * r27181 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesSv.php: [19:31:59] Updates for Swedish messages. [19:31:59] Submitted by: Lejonel [19:31:59] Bugzilla: 11869 [19:32:23] 03(FIXED) Update for Swedish localisation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11869 +comment (10siebrand) [19:33:19] i'ts run, flyingparchment [19:33:41] thank's [19:33:49] np [19:58:19] i'm having a problem with short urls on a new mediawiki install. sessions aren't shared between the /w and /wiki paths (/w/index.php vs /wiki/Main_Page) [19:58:35] mcuringa: how do you know? [19:58:42] server mac 10.3 (server), mediawiki 1.11.0, php 5.2.4 [19:58:52] once you log in, login works [19:59:01] click on any link and you are logged out again [19:59:21] type in /w/index.php?title=Main_Page and you are once again logged in [19:59:50] seems like session problem, not 100% sure i guess. open to other interpretations [20:00:09] the hostname in the URL is the same for both requests? [20:00:21] yes. both the same subdomain [20:00:39] and you didn't change $wgCookiePath anywhere? [20:00:54] i've tried playing around with it, but didn't help [20:01:02] (so i took it back out) [20:01:14] go into the browser and look at the cookie, does it have the right path? (should be /) [20:02:22] wikidbToken starts with /w [20:02:25] the rest with slash [20:02:50] if you go to the problem page and force reload, does it show you logged in? [20:02:59] no. [20:03:16] well that's weird [20:03:19] and it persists on pages that haven't been loaded yet [20:03:38] 03huji * r27182 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Undoing r27162 because it undid some valid chagnes to the file, and it included some code which only belonged to BetaWiki, at the time. [20:07:53] I need to download the Extension: ExtensionClass but bluecortex is offline. Can anyone send me a zipped or a tarball version of it? [20:08:51] 03siebrand * r27183 10/trunk/extensions/ (36 files in 34 dirs): [20:08:51] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [20:08:51] * Fixes and additions to 34 extensions for fr [20:08:51] * export format for ContributorsMessageGroup, FancyCaptchaMessageGroup, MediaFunctionsMessageGroup, PicturePopupMessageGroup, ProfileMonitorMessageGroup changed [20:08:51] * indentation for Contributors.i18n.php, FancyCaptcha.i18n.php, MediaFunctions.i18n.php, PicturePopup.i18n.php, ProfileMonitor.i18n.php changed [20:11:35] No one eh? [20:19:11] Jacroe I can. Just a second [20:19:51] Jacroe: have you DCC enabled? [20:20:12] DCC? explain. [20:20:38] DCC is a way to transfer files over IRC [20:20:42] What client are you using? [20:20:49] pidgin [20:22:02] I guess DCC is enabled there then. [20:22:04] We'll try [20:22:19] But I do believe I can send and recieve files since if I right-click on someone's name I can see "Send file". [20:22:27] Ok. thanks [20:22:39] Jack_Phoenix: which extension again (to make sure I have the file)? [20:25:03] Jacroe: Which extension again? [20:25:15] ExtensionClass [20:25:17] Jack_Phoenix: sorry for the wrongly sent message! [20:25:23] hm? [20:25:42] Jack_Phoenix: never mind, okay?! [20:25:49] eh, sure, whatever :-) [20:26:45] 14(WFM) impossible to save page modification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11870 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [20:26:57] Jacroe: pity, I don't have it :( [20:27:11] It seems like it is not on http://bizzwiki.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/BizzWiki/extensions/ any more, too [20:27:28] (I can load http://bizzwiki.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/BizzWiki/extensions/ by the way, Jacroe ) [20:28:28] Ok. Thanks anyway. [20:28:44] Jacroe: :) [20:28:51] I've already emailed someone who I know has it but it may be awhile. I was hoping to get it quickly. [20:28:57] Thanks for trying though. [20:30:15] hello [20:30:20] again back [20:30:28] how can i make my wikipedia recognize html tag [20:30:34] > like TD [20:30:44] TR [20:30:46] 03(CLOSED) impossible to save page modification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11870 +comment (10bertrand.grondin) [20:30:50] http://wiki.ani.vn/Death_Note_Episodes -> this one is the page use the template [20:30:56] http://wiki.ani.vn/Ti%C3%AAu_b%E1%BA%A3n:JEL -> here is the template that have HTML tag [20:31:00] some how its not working [20:31:04] !tidy | taduyducvn [20:31:04] taduyducvn: For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [20:31:43] its in LocalSetting? [20:32:06] by default, no - you'd have to add it in there [20:32:20] so its included in the package? [20:32:26] no need extension? [20:32:29] No, you have to download and install Tidy [20:32:37] But you don't need an extension [20:32:49] (Tidy is a helper program that cleans up HTML code) [20:33:06] So you install HTMLTidy, then add $wgUseTidy = true; to LocalSettings.php [20:33:22] where i have to install tidy? [20:33:37] Linux or Windows? [20:33:50] isn't there also a php module for tidy? [20:33:58] Linux [20:33:58] and isn't that what mediawiki uses per default (if it's there)? [20:34:20] taduyducvn: apt-get install tidy [20:34:33] taduyducvn use APT or yum or whatever you've got [20:34:44] hi. may I ask a question? Google, meta, project:help don't help me. [20:34:48] And if MediaWiki complains about not being able to find Tidy, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgTidyBin [20:34:55] AenSidhe go ahead [20:35:14] installing [20:35:24] Is there any way to determine last update date of some page from other page? [20:35:44] If that other page is a PHP page, yes [20:36:01] See http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main_Page [20:36:10] touched="2007-10-31T21:21:54Z" [20:36:17] Both pages are articles in my wiki installation. Thanks. [20:36:20] That's the date+time of the last edit [20:36:23] Oh [20:36:28] No, that's not really possible [20:36:37] AFAIK [20:36:59] Bad. Thanks for help [20:38:30] AenSidhe: it would in theory be relatively easy to write an extension to do it. DPL and similar extension can do something like that. however, it interferes with caching , so it's not a feature included per default, or encuraged. [20:38:33] Hi [20:38:42] Hi Haart [20:38:46] he he [20:38:48] thanks [20:38:50] solved [20:38:53] "D [20:38:54] :D [20:41:34] is there anyway to make wiki automaticaly find post that already exist and then automaticaly add tags into post? [20:41:39] links to other post [20:42:34] taduyducvn: like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nickj/Can_We_Link_It [20:43:12] (generally, mediawiki does not support automated linking, because it's too slow, and for a big wiki, would make too many links) [20:44:26] does anyone know if there's some improvement in mime type recognition for uploaded files (http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10823)? [20:44:30] Looking at commons' image table, it seems we currently tag .xcf files as mime unknown/unknown, .sx* as application/zip, etc... [20:44:44] meow [20:44:46] *Hojjat sighs [20:44:53] *Nikerabbit kicks CIA-37 [20:44:53] ow [20:45:29] *Hojjat thinks things might've been a little hard to digest! [20:45:54] oh yea [20:45:57] that's right [20:46:11] Hojjat: did the commit have Persian cookies with it? [20:46:12] but is it just check in wikipedia [20:46:17] or my own wiki? [20:46:36] BrokenArrow: what type of cookies do you mean? [20:46:53] *Hojjat begs CIA-37 to say the word! [20:47:21] Hojjat: well, some baklava could do :-) [20:47:28] BrokenArrow: i think it still sucks as much as ever. see http://brightbyte.de/page/MediaWiki_media_dreams for some thoughts. [20:47:41] BrokenArrow: you've ate Baklava!! I can't believe that! [20:47:50] *taduyducvn doesn't know what CIA-37 doing in this IRC [20:47:58] LOL [20:48:42] *taduyducvn want to know what CIA 37 is [20:48:52] *taduyducvn think it's an agent from CIA [20:49:09] Do you know R Daneil Olivaw, taduyducvn? [20:49:35] :| [20:49:37] who is that [20:50:05] mmm [20:50:37] the first person (in my knowledge) who made rules for bots was Isaac Asimov. In his "robots" series, there is a human-like robot named R. Daniel Olivaw [20:50:55] :D [20:51:01] Elijah Biley (not sure about the dictation), a human detector, works with this bot [20:51:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov [20:51:17] let me read [20:52:00] i wonder why Russian are so talented [20:52:31] they can do weapons, they can fly out of our mother earth, they can make robot, they can do anything [20:54:12] Duesentrieb: thanks. Looks very good, but also requiring a lot of work. I've heard nothing about the back-end restructuring, either, so I'm a bit discouraged. [20:55:19] *RoanKattouw kicks CIA-37 [20:55:19] ow [20:55:41] taduyducvn: it tells us whenever someone changes something in the code [20:56:11] :D [20:56:13] BrokenArrow: well, tim implemented half of what i was talking about (ondependantly of my post, nearly at the same time), see http://brightbyte.de/page/Media_handlers [20:56:29] i was juz kidding, i saw the CIA IRC bot several times [20:56:35] BrokenArrow: it's the upload side of things that is still missing/messy though [20:56:37] they report the change in Tracker [20:56:50] .oO(but wtf does CIA stand for?) [20:56:56] wait [20:57:12] Central Intelligence Agency [20:57:14] this [20:57:17] :)) [20:57:18] :D [20:57:44] >_< [20:57:45] lol. Big brother is watching you, taduyducvn :) [20:57:55] haha :P [20:57:58] ha ha [20:58:00] :D [20:58:18] i think i will change my name to CIA [20:58:19] :)) [20:59:04] ha! [20:59:09] "Celestial Intervention Agency" [20:59:15] *AenSidhe doesn't worry about CIA at all [20:59:26] CIA (disambiguation) is needed! [20:59:58] Duesentrieb: unsurprisingly, both of you are coming up with great ideas :-). It's the implementation roadmap that's lacking :-P [21:00:08] i know what VIP mean [21:00:09] :D [21:00:12] indeed [21:00:25] do you know what VIP is [21:00:27] :D [21:01:05] "Vacuum insulated panel"? [21:01:09] :)) [21:01:15] its [21:01:21] Very Impolite Person [21:01:22] i took esmtp instead, this features a "drop-in" /usr/bin/sendmail [21:01:26] :D [21:01:26] I am trying to use youtube extension. I see a blank space on the webpage where I the video would be, but I see no image [21:01:46] so no changes to the LocalSettings.php neccesary, no Hook to install. [21:01:55] newmember: there are a *lot* of youtube extensions... perhaps try another :) [21:01:57] There are no errors in the httpd log [21:02:05] k [21:02:14] check for errors in the js console too [21:02:15] which one do you like? [21:02:26] i don't really like youtube :) [21:02:43] k [21:02:44] not so much i would embed stuff in my hp, anyway [21:03:20] :D [21:04:39] Hojjat: Just wanted to let you know that I did get that extension. Went to the page on Mediawiki.com and clicked history. It was a "duh" moment for me. [21:04:59] Jacroe: congrats [21:12:25] This doesn't make sense to me, for an extension I am not sure I should use "required_once" like this one. I think I should be seeing a "include" sample: require_once('extensions/EmbedVideo.php'); [21:19:04] 03huji * r27185 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Applying the same order of messages as in MessagesEn.php [21:20:31] newmember, you should normally use require_once always for including things, in PHP. include_once means processing will continue if the include fails, which is usually undesirable. [21:20:48] And leaving out the _once can, AFAIK, cause serious problems if the code happens to be run more than once. [21:21:58] 03siebrand * r27186 10/trunk/extensions/ (45 files in 40 dirs): [21:21:58] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [21:21:58] * Fixes and additions to 40 extensions for gl, hsb, id, is, it, ja, kk-kz, kk-tr, nl, no, oc [21:21:58] * export format in extension Translate and indentation changed in: GiveRollback, ImageMap, Newuserlog, OggHandler, Oversight, ParserFunctions, ProofreadPage, Resign/SpecialResign [21:22:08] require_once is for including "libraries". include is for including text into pages. the rest soesn't really makesense to me [21:23:33] Hah, I should have thought of that. Of course, everyone wants to include raw text/HTML files using include()! It's the best way!!!! [22:04:32] Hi all! [22:05:38] hi [22:20:14] nite all... [22:28:42] is there any way in a page to list all the articles that a user wrote? [22:33:06] gongoputch: not "in a page", no. but you can see them at Special:Contributions/someusername [22:33:57] ah, I could cut-n-paste that .... [22:33:58] ty [22:35:22] ah, but that is a change log, is there a way to list the titles? [22:37:01] i guess Icould tap the database directly [22:38:44] gongoputch: maybe DPL can do it. or hack the News extension - all it's missing is an option to filter by user [22:39:08] (hm, well, it's also limited to the contents of the recentchanges table, i.e. to recent edits...) [22:39:49] DPL? [22:40:46] "dynamic page list" [22:40:58] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DPL [22:41:16] it's the usual ansfer for "i want to list pages with this-and-that property" [22:41:52] ah, thnx [23:16:31] is anyone there who can help with some install issues? [23:19:48] i can get {{PAGENAME}} in templates, but can i also get a substring of PAGENAME? [23:25:19] ??? [23:25:23] any help available on install? [23:27:08] 02Hi (again) [23:27:18] !install jmanooch [23:27:21] 02Pathoschild? [23:27:31] !install | jmanooch [23:27:31] jmanooch : Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [23:27:35] Sei: Could you switch back to default font colour? :) [23:27:42] 02Oh yeah XD [23:27:52] Here! [23:27:58] So, great problem [23:28:03] On my wiki again XD [23:28:14] (The thumbnailing problem is near to be resolve) [23:28:44] I've put a redirect page #REDIRECT[[nameofthepage#nameofthepartofthepage]] [23:29:00] But it doesn't work, the redirection is made on the top of the page [23:29:16] But when you clic directly on the redirect fonction, it works!!!! [23:29:17] :'( [23:29:31] redirection to sections is tricky. [23:29:52] i think it only works thorugh a javascript hack, and i'm not sure if it's included/enabled per default [23:29:59] there's really no good way to do this [23:30:07] Shit... [23:30:11] (generally - this is not really a mediawiki issue) [23:30:20] try to find out hwo it works on wikipedia [23:30:25] Yep [23:30:39] Duesentrieb: Doesn't a simple normally work? [23:30:54] Pathoschild: that's not a redirect [23:31:30] Pathoschild: see, if Foo redirects to Bar#XXX, you browser still sees Foo in the URL. it doesn't kn ow it should jump [23:31:49] (because mediwiki redirects are not redirects in the http sense - the url does not change) [23:32:08] Hm. [23:32:18] The problem is easy to understand [23:32:43] urls with # in them in a refresh header are unreliable, qafaik - works in some browsers, doesn't in others, and somewhere it even caused an infinite reload look [23:32:46] *loop [23:32:51] The redirection is e.g. on the page Bella, who redirect to "personnages secondaires, letter B" [23:32:58] (the refresh thing would have been the obvious solution= [23:33:10] hello to all again [23:33:20] By using "Bella" and looking for, I arrive on http://www.cittagazze.com/~wiki/index.php?title=Bella [23:33:23] I have done all the basics of instal, e.g. MySQL set up etc [23:33:29] but still have blank screens and so forth [23:33:32] bit lost [23:33:42] http://www.cittagazze.com/~wiki/index.php?title=Personnages_secondaires#B [23:33:51] so I feel not-perfectly-smart but neither a-total-dweeb either [23:34:00] 03(NEW) Image/jpeg2000 files not thumbnailed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11871 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (broken.arrow) [23:34:14] anyone want the joy of making me feel happy by something childishly simple for them? [23:34:48] It's 100$ [23:35:05] can I pay you in installments? [23:35:10] of a penny per decade? [23:35:38] jmanooch: blank page indicates a fatal error. check error logs. also enable on-page error reports (this will only help if the error happens "late"). [23:35:52] !errors [23:35:52] To see PHP errors, set error_reporting(E_ALL); and ini_set("display_errors", 1); Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like. [23:36:20] So, for my redirection problem, any solution? [23:36:32] Sei: find the js hack wikipedia uses :) [23:36:40] Μγ κεγβοαρδ ισ σψρεωεδ υρ. :[ [23:36:48] js hack? [23:37:02] woot, a Greek dev [23:37:48] Phew. [23:37:52] That was screwed up. [23:38:12] Someone thought it would be clever to have different keyboard layouts possible for different windows, in GNOME. [23:38:38] Sei: as i said, the only way to do it is using javascript. [23:38:54] Sei: actually, a little greping reveals: skins/common/wikibits.js:function redirectToFragment(fragment) [23:39:16] Sei: this is *somehow* what you want. should give you a spot to start digging [23:39:36] I don't understand anything... [23:40:39] Sei: from looking at the source code, it seems like it should simply work, if you have javascript enabled, and a recent version of mediawiki [23:40:43] what version are you using? [23:40:53] Don't know... [23:40:59] I don't understand how to get wiki installed on my domain....does anyone have idiot beginners guides to mediawiki? [23:41:09] Sei: Special:Version [23:41:27] homeskillit, download the files from mediawiki.org. Upload them to your server. [23:41:33] !install | homeskillit [23:41:33] homeskillit : Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [23:41:36] MediaWiki: 1.8.2 [23:41:37] PHP: 5.1.6 (apache2filter) [23:41:37] MySQL: 4.1.20 [23:41:48] !shell [23:41:48] Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painfull without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. [23:41:59] Hi, I need some help with mediawiki, I am trying to make a template and it seems to be not working prop. Can you check http://www.cluenet.org/wiki/index.php/Sandbox and I want the thing that says Test to be under the top bit of template. I can paste the code in paste bin if you need. [23:42:07] Sei: 1.8 <--- too old for this feature i guess. 1.11 is latest. [23:42:14] !upgrade | Sei [23:42:14] Sei: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [23:42:15] !shell is Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments. [23:42:15] Keyword "shell" already exists. Use "!shell del" to remove it. [23:42:20] POS. [23:44:06] Duesentrieb, the same in french perhaps? [23:44:34] Sei: it shouold have links to translatiosn on that page [23:44:43] > Hi, I need some help with mediawiki, I am trying to make a template and it seems to be not working prop. Can you check http://www.cluenet.org/wiki/index.php/Sandbox and I want the thing that says Test to be under the top bit of template. I can paste the code in paste bin if you need. (Sorry for repeting) [23:44:47] Yep, sorry ^^ [23:45:50] methecooldude: http://www.cluenet.org/wiki/index.php/Sandbox seems to be completely broken [23:45:54] (blank page) [23:46:09] methecooldude: oh wait, sorry. [23:46:11] my fault [23:46:24] :P [23:46:46] methecooldude: the sandbox is trying to include itself... which will not work. [23:47:00] err. no. i'm confused again [23:47:05] perhaps i should shut up and go to bed [23:47:19] I can't help but laugh. [23:48:13] So? [23:48:58] methecooldude: uh... you want text you place below the template to magically move in between parts of the template? [23:49:31] No, I want the text to go below the template (like it dos on the Wikipedia Sandbox) [23:49:34] Does* [23:49:37] Let's try to upgrade... [23:50:03] Er, is it possible to upgrade with only an access to the wiki himself (and not an access to the host or the admin fonctions?) [23:50:05] methecooldude: oh, you mean the broder/box should close above the text? [23:50:14] methecooldude: you are probably simply missing a closing tag [23:50:21] Oh? [23:50:28] Sei: no, of yourse not. that would be very dangerous. [23:50:53] I have closed [23:51:01] Wrong one? [23:51:06] Sei: you somehow need to put the new files on the server, right? [23:51:50] methecooldude: no, but not the only one. i see a {| opening a table at the top. where is it closed? [23:52:01] I can only touch the wiki [23:52:08] Oh, so I need to |} ? [23:52:29] methecooldude: yes. also, one-cell tables are a bit silly. you can simply use a
, that's cleaner. [23:52:49] I kinda stole the code from WP so... [23:53:01] Sei: if you don't have access to the program files, you can't change the program files... otehrwise, any user could mess with the program files... [23:53:14] methecooldude: be sure to at least magrinally understand what you steal. [23:53:57] Thanks for your help Duesentrieb :) [23:54:04] np [23:54:08] i should go to bed. [23:54:18] Sei: well, if you want that feature, get the wiki upgraded. [23:54:22] otherwise, live without it [23:54:33] anyway, gn8 [23:55:01] gn8? [23:55:13] good night? [23:55:18] `^ [23:55:19] ^^ [23:56:38] Dudes, if I don't have shell access to my server [23:56:43] how can I check error logs? [23:56:48] I just have ftp