[00:04:41] 03(mod) Random page in this category feature - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2170 +schema-change; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:44:21] is there a way to see when a particular line of wiki code was added? and/or who added it? [00:46:25] panagos: no; but you can use a binary search through the history sometimes to narrow it down [00:47:02] that's why edit summaries are so helpful [00:49:19] right! but it would also be great if one could view an annotated version of a page, with such info added... [00:50:56] too true [00:57:04] panagos, not so easy to do efficiently on a MySQL backend. [01:00:22] well, if not for the whole document, it could present you with an interface where you choose a portion (eg a line or a paragraph), and then perform the aforementioned binary search automatically :D [01:03:14] btw, how can i send an "instant message" to a user? by editing their user page? [01:05:12] user talk page [01:05:29] aha [01:05:38] it will automatically notify them that a change has been made to their user talk page [01:05:48] it only applies to user talk pages, not user pages [01:28:16] 03(mod) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [01:40:39] 03gri6507 * r27371 10/trunk/extensions/TodoTasks/SpecialTaskList.i18n.php: added Taiwanese and Chinese translations provided by [[User:Roc michael|Roc michael]] [01:52:46] 03(mod) Create "WP" namespace on English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6313 (10stevend811) [02:21:14] 03gri6507 * r27372 10/trunk/extensions/UserContactLinks/UserSignature.php: Added URL to credits [02:41:49] 03(NEW) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (MZMcBride) [03:30:23] 14(INVALID) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 +comment (10cbrown1023) [03:32:57] 03(mod) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 (10cbrown1023) [03:39:01] 03(mod) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 (10N/A) [03:44:36] 03(mod) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 (10cbrown1023) [03:47:30] 14(INVALID) Steward right on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11931 +comment (10pathoschild) [03:48:34] Pathoschild: it confuses the hell out of people [03:48:41] it's there for a reason [03:49:01] could you elaborate, please? [03:49:11] MZMcBride: It's not a bug; it can technically be removed any time (see a demonstration in my comment). [03:49:24] comment 5 [03:50:08] just read it; i understand the honorary thing, however, stewardship is already an abstract concept, and having only one listed on a specific wiki is rather confusing [03:50:29] but i shall let it be [03:50:39] Then ask Jimbo to remove it, or get consensus to remove it involuntarily. [03:51:00] I don't find it confusing [03:51:04] it's just a user group [03:51:15] consensus to remove stewardship from the co-founder of it all? [03:51:22] MZMcBride: Well there you go. [03:51:27] He's a real steward anyway, so how is it confusing? [03:51:47] it's confusing because it can leave the impression that there is only one steward [03:52:14] the word "steward" is a link on Special:Listusers, isn't it? [03:52:17] and i was under the impression that you couldn't be a steward on en.wiki anyway; i believe flyingparchment was the one that told me that it *had* to be set on meta to work [03:52:32] so anyone who was confused would just click on the link, and instantly would find out what stewards are all about, right? [03:52:36] especially because we don't have SUL [03:52:52] I'm pretty sure it will work on en [03:53:06] MZMcBride: Even after SUL only users with local permissions will be listed in the respective ListUsers [03:53:09] MZMcBride: no it doesn't have to be on meta [03:53:15] but that's where it's done [03:53:18] it's just by convention that we have stewards on meta [03:53:31] that does make the most sense [03:53:53] MZMcBride: So just email Jimbo to ask if it's fine to remove it, and explain why. If he agrees, this is a non-issue. [03:54:01] also, the conversation with the stewards last time didn't indicate it was an honorary thing; they said it had an unknown source [03:54:04] i will [03:54:06] during the yaseo split we had stewards on ja, because you couldn't operate on the yaseo wikis from meta [03:54:16] i should send it @wikia? [03:54:20] MZMcBride: Well, that depends who "the stewards" are. I didn't see that discussion. [03:54:47] it was in wikimedia-stewards and it was a couple of weeks ago [03:54:58] you're really going to ask Jimbo if he wants to give up his stewardship? [03:55:21] He's a steward on Meta anyway, so it's really a quibbly issue. :) [03:55:29] christ, he's not giving it up [03:55:29] TimStarling: I don't see why he'd object to simply having stewardship on meta [03:55:50] It seems to be something of a non-issue to me though [03:56:04] it seems like a non-issue to me too [03:56:13] *Pathoschild nods. [03:56:16] to me, confusion generally = bad [03:56:17] I don't see why you'd bother him with it [03:56:26] he doesn't really care what access he has [03:56:49] (until he exercises it) [04:02:12] how about I rename it? [04:03:07] to what? [04:03:23] founder [04:03:43] hehe [04:03:45] i imagine there are some who would go apeshit [04:04:36] *MZMcBride looks up "apeshit" to see if it's hyphenated or not [04:07:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/founder [04:07:30] oh lord; you're going to get e-mails [04:08:00] here we go, I'll even internationalise it [04:08:12] thanks for the resolution, though :) [04:08:47] XD [04:09:08] MZMcBride: Never hyphenatd, but usually two words. [04:09:59] yeah, i found it on urbandictionary as all three [04:10:21] though, one word is winning by votes i believe [04:11:25] I'm emailing Jimmy now to tell him about the change [04:12:05] seriously, tim, thanks for looking at this; i know you're busy with much bigger issues [04:20:39] TimStarling: Shouldn't the custom group appear on [[m:Special:Makesysop]] when editing Jimbo's rights? [04:21:07] Or is that page limited to groups defined on Meta? [04:21:22] it only shows groups defined on meta [04:21:29] this group only exists on en.wp [04:21:40] you'd have to use the steward interface on en.wp itself [04:21:49] so... only Jimmy could make someone else a founder :) [04:21:55] :p [04:30:50] 03aaron * r27373 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Cleanup logic [04:48:54] TimStarling: so does "founder" really do anything? [04:49:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=developer&limit=50 [04:49:20] while you are at it ;) [04:50:31] developer is required for Special:Lockdb [04:51:28] any sysadmin can lock the DB [04:52:20] what? [04:52:37] by sysadmin, you don't mean sysop, right? [04:52:39] TimStarling: put Larry Sanger in "Founder" too [04:52:44] hahaha :D [04:52:49] the developer group was removed for a while, but I re-added it because I was doing a live hack that only I wanted to have access to [04:52:53] that would piss off Jimmy [04:53:31] besides Special:Lockdb, does developer allow anything else? [04:53:40] dunno, I think the live hack was reverted [04:53:47] I don't know if it does allow Special:Lockdb [04:53:59] (it says it does) [04:54:46] where? [04:55:01] TimStarling: seriously, if Larry was listed as "founder" what would jimbo say? I can't even imagine... [04:55:12] I don't care to find out [04:55:16] TimStarling: thats all it does by default [04:55:27] "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group developer." when i go to it [04:55:40] developer => siteadmin (which can lock/unlock db) [04:55:49] right [04:56:02] which isn't enabled by default, which i think is odd [04:56:03] ok, maybe it does allow it [04:56:15] but we don't have writeable lock files for any of the larger wikis [04:56:27] does it throw an error then? [04:56:47] in fact... [04:56:47] 'wgReadOnlyFile' => array( [04:56:47] 'default' => '', [04:57:04] yes [04:57:15] it's inefficient to have a lock file on NFS [04:58:00] so 'developer' is just cruft then ;) [04:58:25] the wikis that do have lockfiles have them in common, and none of them are web writeable [04:58:53] well, except for that live hack I did, but that's reverted now [04:58:55] does developer also get the ax today then? [04:59:02] but I might want to do such a thing in the future [04:59:40] ah yes... [04:59:40] # So that I can rename users with more than 6800 edits -- TS [04:59:41] 'developer' => array( 'siteadmin' => true ), [04:59:41] you should be the only one with it them [04:59:43] *then [04:59:52] why? [05:00:01] maybe I'll give it to you too if you're good [05:00:06] ;) [05:00:13] if it is for mysterious hacks that only tim knows about [05:00:46] that particular mysterious hack was just for me [05:00:53] but it doesn't mean all mysterious hacks will be [05:00:59] hehe [05:01:09] and brion doesn't have it >:( [05:01:23] he has powers that you could not even comprehend [05:01:23] but jimbo does [05:01:38] he could snap your neck just by looking at you [05:01:39] TimStarling: I know what "root" means ;) [05:02:29] once again with the confusion; people must think a lot of jimbo when they see his name in Listusers [05:03:03] i haven't seen him commit any patches lately ;) [05:03:04] I'd like to see jimmy commit stuff to SVN ;) [05:03:12] jinx? [05:03:41] Jimmy did some development work back in 2001 [05:03:59] but he moved into other things as the years went by [05:04:11] user groups make me smile [05:04:26] MZMcBride: are you a status seeker? [05:04:30] buhahaha [05:04:41] :) [05:04:56] now back to studying so I can have to BS degrees to my name ;) [05:05:34] *two [05:05:53] if "developer" is going to stay around, brion really should be in the group [05:08:51] uh huh [05:09:15] see, thing is, we don't give a crap about user groups [05:09:32] yeah, i'm beginning to realize that [05:09:37] we just make ourselves whatever group we want as the situation arises [05:10:29] but i think it's important to remember that Special:Listusers is used quite often to look up user groups [05:10:53] so having them semi-up-to-date probably isn't the worst idea [05:12:51] just put a warning on the top of the page [05:13:59] TimStarling: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki?title=Special%3AListusers&username=&group=bureaucrat&limit=100 [05:14:05] now there are some cool groups in there [05:14:08] "User groups may be inaccurate."? [05:14:30] MZMcBride: whatever you want :) [05:14:58] they're perfectly accurate [05:15:22] they just don't reflect any kind of social or work-related grouping [05:15:48] jimbo is not a developer, though [05:16:00] I'm a sysop on en [05:16:13] very true [05:16:28] that doesn't mean I'm going to listen when some troll wants to air his grievances [05:17:03] Marumari is in the developer user group, that doesn't mean the slightest thing about his current activities [05:17:20] i updated the message [05:17:21] isn't Marumari a girl? [05:17:34] Marumari is Nick Reinking [05:17:46] it is inaccurate in the sense that it conveys the wrong impression [05:17:51] hmmm, or not [05:17:56] maybe the username was usurped [05:17:59] ;) [05:18:07] that would suck for Nick Reinking... [05:18:22] while you're here, there was a conversation about the proper way to spell checkuser [05:18:28] is it two words or one? [05:18:35] and is the U capitalized? [05:19:10] what am I, the Académie française? [05:19:34] the special page title is "Check user", which is what you do when you go to the special page [05:19:42] check users [05:19:50] but the URL is Special:CheckUser, no? [05:20:03] and you're the author, it's entirely your call [05:20:04] the extension is called CheckUser, because that's the traditional form of extension names [05:20:10] MZMcBride: The URL can be Special:CHECKUsErS, if you want. :p [05:20:30] with camel case, initial caps [05:20:34] the defaults seem to vary quite a bit [05:20:48] in Special:Allmessages [05:20:59] but if someone says "I got checkusered", that's entirely outside my domain of expertise [05:21:54] I'm not a prescriptivist :) [05:22:10] speaking of CU, I hope that index change won't be a pain [05:22:25] maybe whoever runs it can *try* log_id too [05:22:52] prescriptivist; good word choice [05:23:24] Brion called the special page for hiding revisions "HideRevision", which was sensible [05:24:14] but for some reason he called the extension it was in "oversight", apparently because he imagined there would be a group of users charged with oversight of the hiding of revisions [05:24:35] so now pages are "oversighted", it was almost inevitable [05:24:39] it's such a catchy name [05:25:12] MZMcBride: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://creativextreme.com/wp-content/uploads/angel_liquigas.jpg&imgrefurl=http://creativextreme.com/index.php%3Fpaged%3D2&h=1024&w=683&sz=336&hl=en&start=53&um=1&tbnid=oqeJy2OSpGjtlM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpretty%2Bwinged%2Bangels%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN [05:25:24] eek...anyways, that's a nice set of wings [05:25:46] TimStarling: actually WP may end up that way [05:25:53] oversighted? [05:26:03] the defaults for rev_deleted stuff let anyone hide, but only the Oversights can see "oversighted" stuff [05:26:11] so they really would be "overseeing" [05:26:32] right, well that's an interesting grammatical point [05:26:40] that gives fast response time, but lets someone guard the guards [05:26:42] tim, i hate to bring this up, but is http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10843 an easy fix? [05:26:48] presumably if you're exercising oversight, you're overseeing [05:27:04] but if you're using the oversight extension to hide a revision, you're oversighting [05:27:27] because an irregular form only applies to a particular sense [05:27:28] I guess brion was thing "oversight" as in "something missed, not noticed" [05:27:50] *thinking [05:27:58] no, I've asked him about it [05:28:00] it was what I said [05:28:06] huh [05:28:36] I gave him some crap about the name, I thought it had a double meaning [05:29:04] he said it just meant oversight of the revision hiding process [05:31:08] but the people who hide = the people who oversee, so it just feels odd I guess [05:31:32] TimStarling: so if this rev_deleted stuff ever gets in, will we keep the extension? [05:31:52] MZMcBride: not especially [05:32:08] ok [05:34:43] MZMcBride: http://www.photoscene.com/sw/gallery/Cycling/20060224/Angel/IMG_1200.JPG :D [05:34:58] something about wings really... [05:36:17] those are very interesting pictures [05:40:00] Redirects with section anchors are supposed to work, right? [05:40:19] it requires javascript to be enabled i believe [05:40:24] Hmm [05:40:34] I have JavaScript enabled... [05:40:37] and it may only work in certain browsers [05:40:44] It works fine for me on Wikipedia [05:40:58] Something must be mangled with the JS for my site, thenj [05:41:36] Which js file makes it so? wikibits? [05:41:58] not sure [05:43:18] yeah, see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=18220 [05:44:12] MZMcBride: I don't know anyone else with an angel fetish, ah well :/ [05:44:49] *MZMcBride thinks of Rule 34 and laughs [05:45:15] Rule 34? [05:45:21] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+34 [05:46:25] TimStarling: if you came home one day, and Angela was dressed like one of those angels, how would you feel? [05:46:31] *AaronSchulz runs for cover [05:47:10] MZMcBride: are there Rules 1-33 ? [05:47:42] i dunno; there's no wikipedia page for rule 34 [05:48:40] http://xkcd.com/305/ [05:57:15] http://howdypedia.com/Pass Any idea why this would be truncating the anchor for redirection? [06:02:01] Emufarmers: my test version of mw 1.11.0 has no issues [06:02:03] give me a sec [06:03:00] When I look at the footer in the source it seems to include the anchor [06:03:17] hm, it doesn't appear to be a problem in your Common.js file either [06:03:30] did you modify wikibits.js at all? [06:04:29] I don't think so [06:04:37] Let me replace it with a fresh copy just to be sure... [06:06:05] it doesn't seem to work in safari, but it works in firefox [06:06:07] it's quirky [06:06:16] Really? It's not working in Firefox for me [06:06:28] hm [06:08:45] Has anyone noticed 1.10 deadlocking? after heavy load somtimes php (and or mysql) freezes, and httpds gradually build up to the apache limit [06:09:00] restarting apaching fixes the problem [06:09:07] mysql is version5 [06:09:23] It's really, really, annoying [06:09:31] and I can't see where the problem is.. [06:10:56] 03mkroetzsch * r27374 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_URI.php: Accept upper-case letters in emails [06:17:46] re: EBNF, anyone know a good EBNF testing tool? [06:17:50] It does not seem to be related to db writes (unless its page counters) and once the freeze starts all new httpds suffer the same fate [06:18:04] I suppose the latter suggests that its a mysql locking problem [06:18:06] ? [06:36:22] 03raymond * r27375 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [06:36:22] * (bugs 11927,11928) Update French translations [06:36:22] Patch by Bertrand GRONDIN [06:36:42] 03(FIXED) update french translation - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11928 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:36:50] 03(FIXED) ConfirmAccount extension : french localization update - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11927 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:46:49] 03raymond * r27376 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * Updates German [06:56:31] Right. [06:56:35] Well. [06:57:16] Is anyone here qualified to assist? [06:58:27] RPGMakerVX: You'll need to be a little more specific than that. [06:58:33] Good. [07:00:28] I've installed MediaWiki 1.6.10 and have looked over the configuration settings ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration_settings ) Perhaps I merely missed it, but I need some assistance in finding the appropriate setting(s) for what I had in mind. [07:04:10] First, "Anonymous users can't edit" [07:04:15] period [07:05:04] Second, "Admin approval of all new users" OR "Admin approval of all edits" [07:09:49] Third, perhaps I merely set it up wrong, (most places I see have their wiki in the /wiki/ subdirectory) but I need to know if there's a setting on how to make all URLs on the root directory (which /wiki/ is in) redirect to the /wiki/ page. [07:10:00] Or, rather, if that's merely htaccess [07:10:20] which i know how to do, I just needed to make wure [07:10:22] *sure [07:15:04] Hello? [07:15:30] *Pathoschild blinks and reads. [07:16:13] For the first two... [07:16:18] !rights | RPGMakerVX [07:16:18] RPGMakerVX : For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [07:16:45] The second is tricky, unless you don't mind all administrators being bureaucrats. [07:17:29] And the third is just htaccess. [07:20:08] I am uncertain as to the meaning of your response for item two. I'll clarify. "Admin approval" in the first case means either emailing the master user for approval or (if such a system is inherent to the wiki) an internal allow/deny user list. [07:21:07] The second case would be too abundant likely for email notification [07:21:27] Yes; what you'd need to do is create a new user group like "approved" with edit rights. When the master user approves, he assigns the user to the "approved" group, which lets them edit. [07:21:51] The first page mwbot linked you to explains how to do that. [07:23:22] How would I enable "email notification" for user registration? [07:23:44] that is, email notify the admin [07:24:15] You don't really need to. Just add a message saying they can't edit until they do. [07:24:33] so the user would have to email or contact in some other way manually [07:24:35] ? [07:25:30] No; they could register, confirm the email in the preferences, then email the master user through the wiki. [07:25:50] Understood. [07:26:13] Or just give them an email address, if you want to simplify the process. Expect spam, of course. [07:27:09] hm [07:47:27] ok.... [07:47:49] reading some of that user rights page has me confused on something... [07:48:30] I create user groups simply by adding a line like $wgGroupPermissions['ninja']['bot'] = true; [07:48:31] ? [07:48:52] or another variable responsible for that? [07:49:01] *is another [07:50:35] If so, what would happen if I were to remove the permissions lines for a group from the config? [07:50:46] (when users are in that group) [07:51:05] would the users revert to another group? [07:51:17] or is there a more ... GUI way to add usergroups? [07:51:32] Yes, you create a group just by doing that. [07:51:48] If you remove a group from LocalSettings.php, the defaults in DefaultSettings.php are applied. [07:52:49] If you removed the definitions for a used group... well, you'd have to try it. I assume the users would fall out of the group, or they'd be in a group that does nothing. [07:53:53] or... the wiki would explode in a psychodelic display celebrating the breaking of the laws of physics [07:54:00] :p [07:55:42] i'm trying to upgrade 0.17 to 1.11, following the manual:upgrading to 1.11 page, but its breaking. am I too far behind to upgrade? [07:56:49] 0.17? [07:56:57] yeah [07:57:23] When was that released? [07:57:38] ugh... I'm trying to remember how to access those hidden pages (so I can edit the registration confirmation screen) but I can't remember the keyword to search for... [07:57:45] Before you were born. [07:58:02] 2006 I think [07:58:17] wait [07:58:22] I think it was before that. [07:58:26] 1.7.1? [07:58:36] That would make much more sense. [07:59:13] yeah, that's it [07:59:42] Upgrading between distant versions tends to break; try upgrading progressively, like 1.7 -> 1.8 -> 1.9 -> 1.10 -> 1.11. [07:59:53] ...although that will take a while. [07:59:55] that sounds not very fun [08:00:04] Maybe 1.7 -> 1.9 -> 1.11. [08:00:20] is there a nice way to just dump all my pages, make a new 1.11 install, and import them back? [08:00:53] It should be possible; just copy a new database, plug a new 1.11 wiki into it, and run the upgrade scripts. [08:01:22] If you're lucky, that will work. If you're not, I hope you did it on a copy. :) [08:01:44] 1.11 seems to want tables that don't exist in my database right now [08:02:25] brb [08:03:33] Knio: Well, you could dump all your pages and import them, but you'd lose all your users and logs. [08:03:44] You'd still have edit histories, though. [08:04:02] I think the upgrade scripts will create the new tables. [08:05:42] back [08:06:34] hmm yeah, just making a backup database :p [08:12:02] how do you access the hidden files? (like the sidebar and the registration confirmation screen) [08:12:20] oooh, its doing something [08:12:28] and what help file is associated with them? [08:15:46] haha I think it worked [08:16:52] is there any particular reason MediaWiki strips name from the wikitext before output? [08:17:36] RPGMakerVX: See "Special:Allmessages" to find them, and for their documentation. [08:28:22] 03(NEW) Do not strip name attribute before output - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11932 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (pathoschild) [08:30:10] 0505,00i got a DB PROBLEM: http://aleriya.pastey.net/76944 [08:30:15] 0505,00what should i do? [08:30:48] Zizanzu: Please change your text colour and background to default. :) [08:31:01] 0505,00why? [08:31:15] 0505,00on my wiki? [08:31:21] No, on IRC. [08:31:31] 0505,00oki [08:31:33] *Pathoschild wonders why we don't set this channel to strip colour. [08:31:46] 0505,00i have it to default [08:32:35] ... [08:32:40] !errors | Zizanzu [08:32:40] Zizanzu : To see PHP errors, add this to the very top of LocalSettings.php: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set("display_errors", 1); Fatal PHP errors usually go to Apache's error log - also check the error_log setting in php.ini (or use phpinfo). For more details in wiki error reports, set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; and $wgShowSQLErrors = true; For full debug output, set $wgDebugLogFile to some path you like. [08:33:21] Pathoschild: Because then you wouldn't see pwetty colours from the bot. [08:33:35] So? :o [08:34:20] You suck. [08:34:50] Yep. [08:38:26] 0505,00its something wrong with the image table i think [08:39:07] 0505,00if i have a image on the site [08:39:12] 0505,00its get an error in the db [08:50:01] 03(mod) Set logos on Lithuanian Wikisource and Lithuanian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11924 (10a9502784) [08:54:02] Thanks. [09:14:37] This is odd. [09:14:51] Something feels broken about how this template is parsed. [09:15:05] http://rosettacode.org/rosettacode/w/index.php?title=Template:Template [09:15:14] "parser -> broken" yep, sounds right. [09:15:16] Either that, or I just need to get some sleep. [09:16:03] a9502784, heh, what a name ;) [09:16:39] shortcircuit: uh, what exactly seems broken? [09:18:21] shortcircuit: ? [09:18:34] Sorry...Testing something. Part of it was my fault. [09:18:57] This page doesn't look right: http://rosettacode.org/rosettacode/w/index.php?title=Template:Data_structure [09:19:00] It uses the template. [09:19:13] But it's 4:19AM, and I'm trying to make sure I'm just not misunderstanding something. [09:19:59] er.."Not just" [09:20:23] I'm pretty sure it's broken. The "" tag isn't visible in Template:Template, but it's visible in a page that includes template:template [09:21:20] shortcircuit: yes. tags can't be nested. but when {{template}} is expanded, then you have a nested set of noincludes. [09:21:41] That's what I put the nowiki tags there for. (Well, partly.) [09:21:45] but since it's not handeled as a recursive structure, but flat, the first is terminated by the first instead of the last [09:22:19] no, the nowiki tags work fine - but you have more s outside of the nowiki block. [09:22:57] So "nowiki" doesn't escape "noinclude"? [09:22:58] i guess should be nestable - it sucks that it isn't. but then, none of the custom tags in mediawiki can be nested. [09:23:06] sure, nowiki escapes noinclude. [09:23:13] Must be that 4:20AM thing. [09:23:34] shortcircuit: do {{subst:template}} and save [09:23:38] then look at the wiki text [09:23:58] keep in mind that s can not be nested [09:24:04]