[00:00:18] now it is [00:00:28] but I have something interesting here [00:00:32] and still doesn't work? [00:00:45] I have modified the php wrapper a bit [00:01:13] I returned the commandline result with the image generation as well [00:01:23] and I got this: Ploticus not found in local folder. Is it on your system path? [00:01:32] mm... [00:02:06] now, you might think ah, that's because somewhere you forgot to change /bin/pl into the path it really is [00:02:10] BUT :P [00:02:40] it returns more [00:03:17] please share [00:03:45] Ploticus input file = ~/public_html/wiki/images/tmp/EasyTimeline.txt.27298 [00:03:45] Generating output: Using ploticus command "~/public_html/wiki/bin/pl" (~/public_html/wiki/bin/pl) Running Ploticus to generate svg file '~/wiki/bin/pl' -svg [00:04:41] so that indicates that he in fact is using the right command [00:04:46] indeed [00:04:56] that also means that the image isn't being created :) [00:05:11] and still he says 'ploticus not found' -_- [00:06:25] hmm it states that too :) [00:06:27] d5aa247d93470b2ccb2a85a550cdd56c.png not created. [00:06:31] ;) [00:07:54] 03(mod) Language specific repository/commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10578 +comment (10danny_b) [00:09:40] what do you suggest? [00:10:11] Well, I honestly have no idea how ploticus works [00:10:24] So can't say why it wouldn't be creating your files [00:14:45] I'll browse the ploticus website for a while :) [00:15:23] 04(REOPENED) Enable RC patrol in Catalan Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10051 +comment (10iradigales) [00:15:42] :) [00:20:42] no luck [00:20:56] once again a day without much improvement [00:21:36] I'm off [00:22:24] ST47: thanks anyway! [00:32:31] Hey can anyone tell me if mediawiki is capable of only allowing users to update information in certain divs/areas etc? I'm wondering if it can produce an effect like productwiki.com where it's limited what/how users edit [00:33:03] !extensions | Ahkamden [00:33:03] Ahkamden : MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for details on writing an extension and for an overview of known extensions. [00:33:04] !cms [00:33:04] You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See if you really want too. [00:33:08] !access [00:33:08] For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [00:33:28] minute-ssh: "extensions" is *very* general :) [00:33:32] meh [00:33:51] more to the point: [00:33:53] !lockdown [00:33:53] an extension for prevention of read or write acess by namespacd and limit access to special pages. For more information see http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown and for more information on preventing access to your wiki, please see . [00:34:03] goodnight [00:34:08] me too [00:34:09] n8 [00:34:40] thx guys i'll try to read up in it [00:34:43] err on it [00:35:48]

P₁/T₁ = P₂/T₂

[00:35:55] Is there a reason why that won't display properly? [00:36:07] _{actually displays as _{and not a smaller 1
[00:36:21] firewing1, doesn't mean HTML pre in MediaWiki. It means HTML pre plus nowiki.
[00:36:26] For some God-forsaken reason.
[00:36:40] Simetrical: Ah, that would explain _a lit_
[00:36:40] Try putting a space at the start of the line instead. There's no other way to get pre without the nowiki effect.
[00:36:46] oops, a lot**
[00:37:05] Simetrical: Problem is I need the pre effect on a bullet
[00:37:08] * text
[00:37:11] won't work :(
[00:37:13] Why someone thought it was clever to not require people to type horribly cumbersome constructs like, say, I don't know.
[00:37:16] Use an HTML list.
[00:37:29] \n Pre text
[00:37:42] Ah, I see
[00:38:32] This is one of the Not Clever bits of MediaWiki markup that we're kind of stuck with.
[00:38:51] Simetrical: Well, interestingly enough this does work:
[00:38:56] *
[00:38:57] text
[00:39:10] Even nicer.
[00:39:13] however it doesn't display a bullet or indent properly. That's probably CSS's fault
[00:39:21] *firewing1 will take a look... Thanks for the help
[00:39:22] What's the HTML output?
[00:39:29] Probably something godawful.
[00:39:51]
K = P/T
[00:39:58] Okay then, not CSS's fault.
[00:40:22] Right.
[00:40:32] It dutifully makes a list item with a blank space in it, like you told it to.
[00:48:07] I need to find out what pages appear on categorylinks.cl_to and not on page.page_title anyone know a SQL method of doing this?
[01:34:36] hi, I have a request about mediawiki, I'm using the atom feed, and the is not unique, it's the page name (so my feed reader think it's posted multiple times). I suggest adding $this->getDate() somewhere in getFeedId()
[01:34:53] Hmm, good point.
[01:34:55] *Simetrical looks
[01:35:19] (it's line 257 of Feed.php on mediawiki 1.11.0)
[01:35:28] Revision id or change id is better to add, you can have the same date for multiples.
[01:35:44] Give me a second.
[01:35:54] if it's available yes, it should be the best
[01:35:56] tuXXX: that's actually on purpose, per spec
[01:36:05] though some disagree about the appropriateness of that usage :)
[01:36:06] Hmm.
[01:36:34] brion: which spec?
[01:36:44] atom spec
[01:36:44] the comment?
[01:37:34] well, " The "atom:id" element conveys a permanent, universally unique identifier for an entry or feed."
[01:37:51] so atom:id should be unique to an entry
[01:37:57] There are two types of s here.
[01:38:05] The feed's id appears to be correct.
[01:38:10] The entry id isn't, I don't think.
[01:38:50] I forgot about the feed's id ^^"
[01:39:16] The entry id should have oldid=...., probably.
[01:39:23] That would be most sensible.
[01:40:41] *Simetrical afks
[01:41:12] If you have a good patch, tuXXX, I'd be willing to review and commit it. Otherwise I might look at it anyway when I get back.
[01:41:42] ok, I'll see if I can do a patch
[01:44:17] 03(NEW) New translation file for CategoryTree extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12018 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (tarmiziaffandi)
[01:46:07] brion, any chance "new pages patrolling" can be enabled for non-admins on Russian Wikipedia?
[01:46:09] (but not autoconfirmed either, something in between, like a new flag or based on editcount)
[01:46:43] that's what autoconfirmed is for, AlexSm2
[01:46:53] it's a flag based on time and edit count
[01:47:05] back laters
[01:47:15] so autoconfirmed is the only other option?
[01:56:06] brion: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chemical_imbalance&action=history
[01:56:14] that page is driving me crazy
[01:57:07] * brion-leper
[02:03:14] including WebStart.php gives this error Warning: require_once(./StartProfiler.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in C:\Program Files\xampp\htdocs\difference\includes\WebStart.php on line 69
[02:09:35] We seem to be duplicating logic for FeedItem construction.
[02:09:38] The file is obviously there...but for some reason it's not getting found
[02:09:49] We should have an MW-specific wrapper for that.
[02:10:29] putlake_, maybe . is the wrong directory for some reason?
[02:10:49] Simetrical
[02:11:15] I am writing require_once(../../includes/WebStart.php);
[02:11:49] So it looks that WebStart .php is getting included but when that in turn requires StartProfiler, it is not finding it in the include path
[02:11:59] putlake, correct, because . is wrong.
[02:12:22] So what should I be doing to call it correctly?
[02:12:25] I don't know what our policy is on that, shouldn't we be using __FILE__ or whatever the appropriate niftiness is?
[02:13:06] oh..
[02:13:46] putlake, you may have to do a chdir() before including, if you don't want to hack the files manually.
[02:13:53] Which, as I say, is silly, we should fix that.
[02:14:31] Or I will require_once everything that WebStart is requiring
[02:15:30] *Wikinewsie186 waves
[02:16:27] is there a way or password protecting a page from being viewed or, restricting who can see a specific page on mediawiki?
[02:16:39] !lockdown | brown_cat
[02:16:39] brown_cat : an extension for prevention of read or write acess by namespacd and limit access to special pages. For more information see http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown and for more information on preventing access to your wiki, please see .
[02:16:45] !prevacc | brown_cat
[02:16:49] *Simetrical sighs dramatically
[02:17:00] !preventingaccess | brown_cat
[02:17:00] brown_cat : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[02:17:12] thanks :p
[02:17:19] *brown_cat gives Simetrical a cookie
[02:19:02] tuXXX, note that this works properly for page histories. I'm going to copy over that code.
[02:19:26] hi everyone. i am trying to set permissions on my new wiki install. When i follow the guide, there are problems:
[02:19:29] 1. i can't log out
[02:19:37] 2. i can't view pages anonymously
[02:19:59] 3. i can't view pages when i'm logged in either (!)
[02:20:30] what the heck? can anyone help me?
[02:20:36] Simetrical: ok
[02:21:35] Simetrical - do you think I will have to use the __FILE__ niftiness to change WebStart.php itself?
[02:23:06] putlake, probably not necessary. We should do that on our end anyway.
[02:24:08] I am using require_once(Webstart) from a file called db.php - Right now I am experimenting by placing db.php in dfferent locations
[02:24:53] putlake, I suggest you use chdir(), before and after the require_once() for WebStart.php.
[02:25:27] ok chdir to root directory or includes directory?
[02:33:45] putlake, not sure off hand, try it and see.
[02:34:11] tuXXX, okay, I've fixed it in r27588. You can apply that patch manually if you want to your local install. The fix should be in 1.12.
[02:36:58] *Simetrical glares at CIA's absence
[02:38:10] Simetrical: thanks! it works very well!
[02:38:19] EvilSock: do you still need help?
[02:49:39] Does anyone else have problems with the Special:RecentChanges RSS feed? I've noticed duplicate items since upgrading to .11
[02:59:47] i seem to be permanently logged into my wiki and i can't get out
[02:59:56] even after clearing my cache, passwords, cookies, etc
[03:00:14] when i try to hit the main page, i get a permission error
[03:00:17] and cannot log out
[03:00:21] can anyone help?
[03:00:49] EvilSock: you modified your LocalSettings.php, didn't you?
[03:01:16] yes - based on a help page that a few ppl in this channel directed me to
[03:01:25] i've since reverted the file, but i still can't log out
[03:01:40] rm any lines you added regarding permissions
[03:01:50] rm?
[03:01:51] remove?
[03:01:57] and make sure you save the file properly
[03:01:58] yes
[03:02:04] what's "properly"?
[03:02:14] so that it writes to the server
[03:02:47] i'm saving it in Notepad++ and uploading it to the server
[03:02:53] ok
[03:02:56] but ...
[03:02:59] still can't log out
[03:03:07] cleared out everything IE lets me clear out
[03:03:10] what happens when you try to log out?
[03:03:12] and it still thinks i'm logged in
[03:03:16] *EvilSock checks
[03:03:43] it gives me a Permission Error page ...
[03:03:51] and throws an array() error
[03:03:54] from Title.php
[03:04:00] but i haven't touched that file
[03:04:04] i haven't touched any file
[03:04:07] only localsettings
[03:04:28] you could regenerate localsettings if you really wanted to
[03:05:03] EvilSock, give the exact text of the error message.
[03:05:11] warning: in array()[function.in-array]: Wrong datatype for second argument in /home/untolden/public_html/wikis/projects/sheetHappens/includes/Title.php on line 1306
[03:05:30] i haven't touched that file
[03:05:41] EvilSock, what else? That's a warning, shouldn't cause problems by itself, although it shouldn't be happening.
[03:06:03] Permission error - You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested. REturn to Main Page.
[03:06:11] when i click to return to Main Page:
[03:06:16] Permission error
[03:06:21] You are not allowed to execute the action you have requested.
[03:06:27] EvilSock, look in LocalSettings.php for lines including "wgGroupPermissions".
[03:06:35] so any page that tells me to return to main page doesn't let me
[03:06:38] sim - yes
[03:06:42] i've commented all of them out
[03:06:53] using ## at the beginning of the line?
[03:06:58] EvilSock, and you're absolutely sure of this? And you're sure this is in the file, on the server, that's being executed?
[03:07:03] ah wait -
[03:07:05] i missed one
[03:07:08] MZMcBride, plenty of ways to comment out in PHP.
[03:07:11] $wgGroupPermissions = array();
[03:07:16] EvilSock, uh, remove that.
[03:07:17] i had to comment that out as well
[03:07:19] ys
[03:07:21] so!
[03:07:26] hahaha
[03:07:27] here's what i'm trying to do!
[03:07:28] EvilSock, that's a very bad idea to put in LocalSettings.php, generally speaking.
[03:07:44] ppl here referred me to a mediawiki page that told me to do that
[03:08:00] i want the wiki to be read-only, except for a couple of accounts i set up as an admin
[03:08:03] dig?
[03:08:20] everyone - anonymous or otherwise - gets read access
[03:08:26] this isn't for you:
[03:08:28] !access
[03:08:28] For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see .
[03:08:30] user1 and user2 get edit access
[03:08:42] those are the two pages that told me how to break my install, MZ
[03:08:52] i know; i was here the last time
[03:08:56] those were the ones i was following when the whole thing went poopers
[03:09:19] why say "this isn't for you" and paste it? you mean they pasted that in error, and i'm looking for something else?
[03:09:32] you only think no one's reading this room; someone always is
[03:09:39] heh
[03:09:39] EvilSock, if you followed instructions from there it should work.
[03:09:44] sim - i did
[03:09:47] it didn't
[03:10:05] EvilSock, you need to make sure that you're in any privileged groups *before* adding restrictions.
[03:10:20] that would be [[Special:Listusers]]
[03:10:27] didn't you just get finished saying that i shouldn't declare that array in localsettings?
[03:10:27] EvilSock, if it told you to add $wgGroupPermissions = array(); it was bonkers.
[03:10:29] *Simetrical looks
[03:11:03] and i quote:
[03:11:03] You can change the default rights by declaring the $wgGroupPermissions array in LocalSettings.php
[03:11:25] EvilSock, poorly worded. It means to change particular elements, not overwrite the whole thing.
[03:11:29] *Simetrical fixes it up slightly
[03:12:06] Also a quote "with the syntax "$wgGroupPermissions[‘group’][‘right’] = boolean;"."
[03:12:08] oh i see - you mean by declaring it, i was wiping out the defaultsettings one?
[03:12:11] Yes.
[03:12:14] gotcha
[03:12:17] And the default permission is no permissions.
[03:12:27] well, thing=array is declaring an array
[03:12:31] EvilSock: you need something like this:
[03:12:42] $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false;
[03:12:42] $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['read'] = true;
[03:12:57] hmm ...
[03:13:00] if you want to stop viewing for everyone except those logged in as sysop
[03:13:09] not quite ...
[03:13:10] and you need to "whitelist" certain pages for everyone
[03:13:29] i thought i wanted everyone to read, but no one to create accounts or edit pages
[03:13:42] are there pages that joe schmo shouldn't read, generally?
[03:14:00] nvm then, you want:
[03:14:37] here's what i got
[03:14:38] http://pastebin.com/m1252b78e
[03:14:45] does that do the trick?
[03:15:15] yeah, pretty much
[03:15:18] sweet deal
[03:15:28] and i can use specialPages as the sysop to create accounts?
[03:15:33] *EvilSock is getting assited
[03:15:42] but there are a lot of options besides view, edit, and createaccount
[03:16:03] true ... but does that basically prevent any outsider from doing damage?
[03:16:04] but that probably wouldn't matter for your setup
[03:16:07] or am i missing some stuff?
[03:16:27] it's a spectator wiki, save for two accounts
[03:16:34] if only a sysop can create accounts, then only people you choose will be able to the other actions
[03:16:43] yes - that's perfect
[03:16:55] it's a company wiki that i'm using to develop a piece of software
[03:17:03] ok
[03:17:15] i want the two devs to have edit access, but i want the world to be able to view the process and progress
[03:17:33] bugs in a jar wiki
[03:18:23] creating accounts for other people can be tricky
[03:18:31] it requires an extension, i believe
[03:18:57] yar? don't you just have to create a username and password and throw in their email address?
[03:19:00] like normal?
[03:19:05] if there are only going to be two accounts, i'd suggest setting them both up the normal way and then enabling restrictions
[03:19:18] not if you block createaccount
[03:19:37] i only need two devs
[03:19:44] i unblock it, create the accounts, then block it
[03:19:47] cinchy
[03:19:50] right
[03:19:52] it's working already
[03:19:58] *EvilSock is so jazzed
[03:19:59] good to hear
[03:20:05] thanks for your help, folks
[03:20:09] MZ & Sim
[03:20:14] yep
[03:20:14] i really appreciate it
[03:23:06] Simetrical - chdir() worked. Thanks a lot!
[03:44:01] I want to create a namespace called "node:", but I already have a few "node:something" pages
[03:44:35] if I create the namespace as per the FAQ, will mediawiki still find those pages, and will it consider them part of the new namespace?
[03:44:56] no
[03:45:09] you need to move them first
[03:45:19] and then move them back?
[03:45:30] hrm.. that sounds painful
[03:45:34] or run a script after implementing the new namespace to move them from the backend
[03:46:01] such as?
[03:46:22] check the maintenance folder for something
[03:46:32] not sure if one's in there or not
[03:46:51] ok, thanks
[03:47:41] if you don't move the pages, they'll be stuck in mediawiki purgatory
[03:47:55] unable to edited or have their history viewed
[03:54:12] yeah, I was worried about that...
[03:55:21] would there be a way to mass-move pages?
[03:55:40] I have 13 node: pages, that I'd need to move forward and back
[03:56:12] naught102, there's a script to fix broken namespace thingies.
[03:56:23] Simetrical: oh? cool
[03:56:30] naught102, namespaceDupes.php, I think. It will check for and automatically move pages that conflict.
[03:56:39] If any can't be automatically resolved, it will give a list.
[03:57:17] so I could add the namespace, then run that, and it would (probably) work?
[03:58:50] Definitely work, if you have shell access.
[03:58:58] Otherwise, you have to fiddle quite a bit to run it.
[03:59:03] It's used all the time on Wikimedia projects.
[03:59:54] I have shell access
[04:00:05] i'll give it a go
[04:08:29] how do i add images so that they "interrupt" my text, rather than allowing the text to flow around them?
[04:08:43] ie how do i force a paragraph break, i guess?
[04:08:46] hrmm... I did that, and the pages were listed, and apparently fixed, and they're working on the site, but I can't search for things in the "node:" namespace
[04:09:22] would this cause a conflict:
[04:09:25] $wgExtraNamespaces = array(100 => "Node", 101 => "Node_talk");
[04:09:25] $wgExtraNamespaces = array(110 => "Portal", 111 => "Portal_talk");
[04:09:55] EvilSock: css.
[04:10:10] there's a display: value that does that
[04:10:34] ?
[04:10:58] no, style="display:block;"
[04:11:39] truly?
[04:12:04] http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_display.asp
[04:14:24] EvilSock: look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax#Cancelling_floating-around-image_mode
[04:14:58] EvilSock, there should be an option for it in the image syntax.
[04:15:01] !images
[04:15:03] !image
[04:15:05] *Simetrical grumbles
[04:15:18] Try, like, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images or some similar URL.
[04:15:27] EvilSock, alternatively, you may want a .
[04:15:31] see how it looks all oogly and funky? and how the pics don't align within the sections that talk about them?
[04:15:31] http://untoldentertainment.com/wikis/projects/sheetHappens/index.php?title=Introduction
[04:15:55] i'm used to word, where you show a block of text, then a picture illustrating it, then some text, then a picture
[04:16:04] there's so little control with auto-wrapping
[04:16:52] I think it looks fine. I'd move the images to the line below each header though.
[04:17:02] that's what i mean. how do i do that?
[04:17:20] in the edit panel, they come beneath the header lines
[04:17:41] == current solutions == blah blah blah [[image]]
[04:17:44] like that
[04:17:52] but they're creeping vertically up over that line
[04:18:22] change it to:
[04:18:25] ==header==
[04:18:29] [[image...]
[04:18:32] text
[04:18:36] oh yeah?
[04:18:40] ok - let me try
[04:19:06] didn't seem to work with that first image
[04:19:07] http://untoldentertainment.com/wikis/projects/sheetHappens/index.php?title=Introduction
[04:19:21] and it adds a nice big chunk of empty
[04:19:54] (Big Chunk of Empty is EvilSock's fave candy bar)
[04:20:05] you still have the top image above the header, and it's pushing the second image down
[04:20:16] i know
[04:20:27] but on the edit page, i wrote ==header= [[image]] text
[04:20:29] in that order
[04:20:46] as per your suggestion
[04:20:49] yeah, I know, but there's another image above. like
[04:21:01] ACK!
[04:21:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=image ==header== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=image text
[04:21:03] i missed that one
[04:21:05] my sorry
[04:21:07] whoa..
[04:21:46] the million dollar question is ... how to i keep it from ramming straight through the *next* header?
[04:21:46] http://untoldentertainment.com/wikis/projects/sheetHappens/index.php?title=Introduction
[04:22:22] make it smaller, I think.
[04:22:41] beh. no way to force some kind of ... like, in Word it would be a page break
[04:22:44] CTRL+Enter
[04:22:50] knowhutimean?
[04:22:53] or perhaps put a
at the bottom of the paragraph
[04:22:54] see Template:clear on en.wiki
[04:23:02] ooh
[04:23:11] how do i get to en.wiki?
[04:23:18] wikipedia.org j00 mean?
[04:23:24] http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:23:27] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Clear
[04:23:53] yeah- that's exactly what i need
[04:23:55] thx!!
[04:24:09] yep
[04:25:08] Simetrical|away or MZMcBride: any idea why my namespace isn't showing up as an option on the search page?
[04:25:32] naught102: How did you add the namespace?
[04:26:11] amidaniel: are you decent with javascript?
[04:26:11] erm - not so adept at ganking it for my own wiki tho
[04:26:18] amidaniel: $wgExtraNamespaces = array(100 => "Node", 101 => "Node_talk");
[04:26:18] $wgExtraNamespaces = array(110 => "Portal", 111 => "Portal_talk");
[04:26:22] MZMcBride: soso ..
[04:26:33] in my localsettings
[04:26:48] the portal namespace shows, but not the node
[04:27:07] naught102: Because you're overwriting it :/
[04:27:11] Common.js needs to be fixed on en.wiki a little
[04:27:21] naught102: use $wgExtraNamespaces[100] = 'Node'; etc.
[04:27:27] ah... ok
[04:27:34] naught102: As opposed to overwriting the entire array each time
[04:27:38] MZMcBride: What's the problem
[04:27:39] ?
[04:27:39] yeah, gotcha
[04:27:47] k :) .. let me know if that doesn't work
[04:28:13] the watchlist notice needs to be able to support multiple messages with (hopefully) multiple [dismiss] buttons
[04:28:34] amidaniel: I could also just combine the two into one line, right?
[04:29:03] naught102: Yes, I'd recommend you not, though, to avoid similar probs in the future
[04:29:04] hello all
[04:29:17] fair 'nough
[04:29:23] $wgExtraNamespaces is already created as array(); in defaultSettings, you shouldn't need to overwrite it
[04:29:35] I was reading http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki but it seems I missed something
[04:29:53] Panora200: And that would be .. ?
[04:30:08] I created the interwiki table from maintenance/interwiki.sql but I still have no interwikis
[04:30:10] MZMcBride: I'll gladly take a peek at it, but you're probably better off finding someone more capable than I :)
[04:30:15] hi amidaniel
[04:30:26] amidaniel: i've been trying all day
[04:30:28] I'm trying to support interwikis
[04:30:42] whatever... it'll stay broken until someone notices and fixes it
[04:30:45] the page I cited seems to lack some step
[04:30:54] Panora200: Is there anything in the interwiki table after you run the script?
[04:30:58] !interwiki
[04:30:58] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki
[04:31:05] I'm using 1.10
[04:31:06] (And what interwikis in particular are missing?)
[04:31:14] MZMcBride: that's the page....
[04:31:19] amidaniel: all. they get linked
[04:31:42] Panora200: Okay, and what is in your interwiki table?
[04:31:43] do I need some $wgSomething ?
[04:31:52] no
[04:31:56] yay, thanks amidaniel
[04:31:59] No, you shouldn't need too
[04:32:10] can you access your mysql database?
[04:32:17] Panora200: I.e., "select * from interwiki" and pastebin it please
[04:33:03] !pastebin
[04:33:03] Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[04:34:11] what's the relationship between interwiki, and the languages box (below the toolbox on monobook)?
[04:34:27] naught102: None ...
[04:34:42] ok, then how does the languages box work?
[04:34:50] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/77540
[04:35:22] Panora200: Okay, is "en" the only interwiki you want or are there others you need?
[04:35:28] naught102: the language box is constructed from the interwiki table
[04:35:40] amidaniel: for the moment, it's the only one
[04:35:52] :)
[04:36:09] Panora200: Okay. Are you using any caching (memcached, squid, apache, etc.)?
[04:36:14] nop
[04:36:30] I don't understand the difference between a normal interwiki link, and and one that just adds a link in the languages box...
[04:36:48] Panora200: Can you make a null edit to the page and see if it deredlinks the link?
[04:37:01] flyingparchment: http://stupidfilter.org/main/index.php?n=Main.About
[04:37:03] how do i hide the fact that a page was redirected?
[04:37:07] that might be a godsent
[04:37:17] amidaniel: anyway, there should be a note on Help:Interwiki that states that somewhere earlier than 1.10 we need to feed interwiki.sql from the maintenance scripts
[04:37:53] EvilSock: You could add "contentSub { display: none; }" to common.css
[04:37:56] amidaniel: done. no success
[04:38:14] Panora200: Okay, and the problem is that the link is a redlink?
[04:38:21] yes
[04:38:55] hmm .. it's really only for the main page. i didn't want my main page to be called "main page", so i moved it, but a redirect line on yer main page doesn't look so hot
[04:39:15] i just wanted to change the page title
[04:39:22] EvilSock: Then just edit MediaWiki:Main Page to point to wherever your new main_page is
[04:39:34] EvilSock: Check LocalSettings.php - you can do it without moving Main_Page
[04:39:45] I got a question.. I just installed MediaWiki and none of the images are Loading... and i checked, tehy are there.
[04:39:46] yes .. but when you hit the home page it says "New title! (redirected from Main Page)
[04:39:56] i don't want it to say "redirected from Main Page" on the home page
[04:40:02] amidaniel: any hint ?
[04:40:10] EvilSock: Yes, that's why you edit "MediaWiki:Mainpage" to point to where your main page actually is ;)
[04:40:22] with a #redirect?
[04:40:29] EvilSock: No, with the page title
[04:40:37] Panora200: Well, my guess is that you have some caching going on you're not aware of
[04:40:40] ah! that's what i didn't know how to do i guess
[04:40:44] i looked in the docs
[04:40:50] which said renaming is th same as moving
[04:40:58] Panora200: Is this a public wiki I could have a peep at or is it lan-only?
[04:41:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rename_a_page
[04:41:29] http://lang.sugarcrm.com.pt/w/index.php/About_this_Guide_-_Sobre_este_Manual
[04:41:33] is there a different (better) way to rename a page then?
[04:41:43] EvilSock: you don't want to "rename a page"
[04:41:48] ok
[04:41:57] EvilSock: you want to "Change Main Page"
[04:42:00] it's different
[04:42:03] what i want is for the main page is not to say "MAIN PAGE" when you go there
[04:42:04] ok
[04:42:08] starting to understand
[04:42:13] and how/where do i do thaT?
[04:42:18] i can look it up
[04:42:20] check [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] in your article
[04:42:24] now that i undersand the difference
[04:42:26] *in your wiki
[04:42:54] amidaniel: http://lang.sugarcrm.com.pt/w/index.php/About_this_Guide_-_Sobre_este_Manual
[04:42:58] ah - sysop access only i see
[04:43:09] Panora200: Yes, I'm looking
[04:43:14] EvilSock: Yes
[04:43:26] Anyone know why images wouldnt show up on a fresh install of MediaWiki? (yes, they are in the directory)
[04:43:41] !images | Jacob_Evans
[04:43:47] bletch
[04:43:55] ?
[04:43:58] @search .*image.*
[04:43:58] Results: [imagemap, logo, safemode, svg, thumb, uploads]
[04:44:04] beautiful - it works. thank you, amidaniel.
[04:44:07] !uploads | Jacob_Evans
[04:44:07] Jacob_Evans : File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See for more info.
[04:44:10] tu es mon ami je pense
[04:44:18] Not Uploads
[04:44:19] amidaniel: I'm sorry, it's in portuguese.... let me know if I can help
[04:44:26] I ran out of ideas..
[04:44:28] I mean the MediaWiki Images
[04:44:39] that coem with it by default
[04:45:00] They arent showing up in the Wiki itself
[04:45:01] I'm looking at Category:Interwiki_variables to see if there is any new var to turn on or something
[04:45:02] Jacob_Evans: Are all images failing to display?
[04:45:25] Panora200: My suggestion (gross as it sounds) would be to reboot your server.
[04:45:38] amidaniel: Correct, none of the images are showing up
[04:46:00] Jacob_Evans: Do you have other pages on this server on which images are displaying correctly?
[04:46:16] amidaniel: so you were playing at me all the time. nice
[04:46:35] Panora200: Pardon?
[04:46:47] amidaniel: Run a SMF Forum on the same server, and yes all the images there are showing up.
[04:47:36] Jacob_Evans: Hmm .. This is a fresh install? What version of MW and where did you dl from?
[04:48:19] amidaniel: Yes, 1.11.0, mediawiki direct\
[04:48:25] damn... node: namespace pages now missing
[04:49:07] naught102: You're going to need to run maintenance/namespaceDupes.php
[04:49:12] namespaceDupes didn't actually fix the problem
[04:49:35] it only list the problem pages, and then says "looks good"
[04:49:44] but when I run it again, it says the same
[04:50:01] naught102: Have you specified a user / pass in AdminSettings.php ?
[04:50:17] yah, I forgot the --fix
[04:50:29] naught102: Ah, yes, was just about to mention that :)
[04:50:35] sweet, now working :)
[04:50:50] amidaniel: Yes, 1.11.0, mediawiki.org
[04:51:02] Jacob_Evans: Okay, what dir are the images in?
[04:51:43] amidaniel: skins/common/images
[04:51:57] Okay, do you have images in skins/monobook too?
[04:52:27] amidaniel: Nope, No images folder
[04:52:49] No, they won't be in a separate folder, just directly in /skins/monobook
[04:53:03] Should be, for instance, "audio.png"
[04:54:54] Yeah, there are some images in there
[04:55:49] is there a reason 1.10.2 and 1.6.10 are listed as the "legacy versions"? is it alright to use 1.9 from svn? I need it because the xml2sql dump converter operates on a revision table that has only 9 fields, and in 1.10-1.11 there are 11 fields
[04:55:55] Okay, I'm wondering if your webserver is disallowing pngs. Can you create an html page containing "" where wikiroot is the path to your mw install?
[04:56:00] And let me know if the image displays
[04:56:21] Give me One second....
[04:57:23] aib: They're listed as legacy because they're no longer actively supported. The svn version is currently "1.12a" and it's recommended you don't use it. 1.9 should be fine to use, however. Just be aware that it's no longer supported
[04:58:39] amidaniel, thanks
[04:58:45] amidaniel: Nope it didnt show up....
[04:59:45] Jacob_Evans: Okay, can you try again with "" ?
[05:01:17] amidaniel: No, that didnt show up either
[05:01:43] O rly? Do you see it if you navigate your browser directly to the image?
[05:02:05] I.e., "http://mydomain.com/wiki/skins/monobook/user.gif"
[05:02:10] I got a 403... let me pull that .htaccess first
[05:02:19] Aha, there's your anwer :)
[05:02:30] And tehre is no .htaccess in monobook
[05:02:37] Likely direct file permissions
[05:02:49] Or the main images folder
[05:02:51] Who is the owner of the directory / what are the rights on it?
[05:03:17] CHMOD is 755
[05:03:28] on monobook and common
[05:03:47] Jacob_Evans: Okay, you need to make the dir a+x
[05:03:56] So, 777
[05:04:01] Ok One second...
[05:04:59] I set it 777 and still no images....
[05:05:19] What are the permissions on the individual files in the directory?
[05:05:36] 777, on all
[05:06:06] Woops, I'm sorry .. 755 should be fine
[05:06:06] did you bypass your cache when viewing the file directly?
[05:06:27] Yes
[05:06:33] Sorry, generally think of file perms in terms of ugo+... :)
[05:06:49] I get a 403 when i try to directly access them
[05:06:57] Jacob_Evans: Can you perchance pastebin a "ls -laR" of your skins dir?
[05:07:20] I dont have a CLI, Only FTP
[05:08:21] Jacob_Evans: Should be able to do ls with ftp
[05:08:44] Oh, apparently -R doesn't work
[05:08:58] Okay, well, let's do this one at a time. What are the perms on your skins directory?
[05:09:17] 755
[05:09:47] And common and monobook are 755?
[05:09:54] Correct
[05:10:14] Are there any .htaccesses buried in any of those directories?
[05:10:47] No there are not
[05:11:16] Hrm .. do you perchance of a URL to your wiki or is it local-only?
[05:11:25] wiki.twisted-spoon.com
[05:11:40] looking
[05:11:44] K
[05:12:11] Alright, the problem is indeed the individual files
[05:12:26] http://wiki.twisted-spoon.com/skins/common/images/ gives me 200, gives me 403
[05:12:37] So you need to chmod the image files in the directory to 700
[05:13:03] 744 *
[05:13:19] Make that 644 :D
[05:13:27] Lol, Make up your mind!
[05:13:41] a+r u+rw in other words :D
[05:13:46] Should be 6444
[05:13:49] 644*
[05:13:51] *amidaniel stabs self
[05:15:28] Crap... Now im getting permission denied via FTP....
[05:16:04] Re-uploading the directory i get get into
[05:16:08] i cant get into*
[05:16:47] Or not..
[05:17:21] FTP wont let me into teh images directory now...
[05:17:41] Reconnect
[05:18:07] did that twice....
[05:18:14] Btw, the directories should be 755, the files should be 644
[05:18:17] Ok
[05:18:19] One second
[05:18:21] i think i got it now
[05:19:21] Got the CHMOD set.... Still no images...
[05:21:49] What is the perm on common/images/Arr_.png ?
[05:21:57] 644
[05:22:07] i put it at 777 and i still got a 403
[05:23:03] Alright, you've got something funky going on then. A .htaccess or apache setting somewhere that's preventing access to the images
[05:23:24] So i am going to have to contact teh host?
[05:23:33] is accessible, but none of the images in that dir are
[05:24:16] So is
[05:24:33] Right...
[05:24:35] Do you have a .htaccess in the wiki root directory?
[05:24:50] Nope
[05:24:51] Or anywhere above that
[05:25:17] Okay, then you need to grep through your httpd.conf for ".png"
[05:25:24] Wait a second...
[05:25:53] RewriteRule .*\.(jpg|jpeg|gif|png|bmp)$ - [F,NC] <--- I found that in .htaccess in teh public_html directory
[05:26:18] Can you comment it out, pls?
[05:26:42] // in front right?
[05:27:00] #
[05:27:27] YAY IMAGES!
[05:27:40] Alright, then that was the culprit :)
[05:27:51] Thanks for the help!
[05:28:03] You can either leave that commented out or hack it with a lower .htaccess -- I'd recommend just leaving it as is
[05:28:11] (there should be no need for such a ridiculous rule)
[05:28:20] ok
[05:28:32] Alright, let me know of anything else you need ;)
[05:28:38] Thanks!
[05:28:44] np :)
[05:47:06] Simetrical|away: ping
[06:04:46] *amidaniel wonders where that CIA bot has wandered off to ...
[06:10:26] "Error checking bot status! (500)"
[06:16:24] hello
[06:16:48] oh wait...nvm
[06:24:43] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id= (10ice201)
[06:49:25] after I import the page, revision and text tables, mediawiki gives me errors ala (The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Test".).. i used to be able to get this to work - anyone recognize what i'm missing?
[07:43:26] amidaniel: link stub classing seems to be brokz0rs
[07:44:54] and bytes isn't user friendly unit
[07:46:43] well, thats what it's in
[07:46:51] can someone tell me why something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=zh:page_name appears in the language box, under the toolbox?
[07:46:51] not saying at all is worse
[07:47:02] it looks just like an interwiki link
[07:47:33] I mean [ [zh:page_name].]
[07:49:12] AaronSchulz: Come again?
[07:55:57] AaronSchulz: changes in message are pita to propagate:<
[07:56:43] amidaniel: grrr...son of bitch! why is my userpage link redlinked?
[08:05:52] is domain.tld/index.php/Main_Page a normal mediawiki URL, or would it have to use some kind of shortURL method to create it?
[08:09:05] at least it's a bad style to install mediawiki in the toplevel
[08:10:30] if i have a issue/bug/question about a core extension (namely ParserFunctions) where should i take my complaint/suggestion?
[08:11:51] Nikerabbit: why?
[08:11:59] So who wants to be the first to beat me with the php manual? :)
[08:16:18] hcec: name conflicts with short urls
[08:48:48] Nikerabbit: can you explain further, or give me a link?
[08:51:37] 03(mod) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455 (10tstarling)
[09:00:31] hmmm
[09:01:47] hmmm?
[09:02:19] some fucked up title where in my cuc_title
[09:02:24] they had spaces
[09:02:29] that's the problem
[09:02:35] just 3 rows
[09:02:46] *amidaniel watches AaronSchulz rant
[09:02:51] :)
[09:03:14] man this was driving me insane for days
[09:03:50] Did you .. uhh .. happen to notice my fun little bug? :)
[09:04:38] where does the option for automatic patrolling reside?
[09:05:33] Hojjat: $wgUseRCPatrol
[09:05:41] Hojjat: You mean how to set automatic patrolling for certain groups?
[09:05:45] yes
[09:05:59] Hojjat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits#Automatic_patrolling
[09:06:16] thanks amidaniel
[09:06:24] Well, that link didn't answer your question :D -- sorry
[09:06:32] You wanna set the right autopatrol
[09:06:45] I.e., $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['autopatrol'] = false;
[09:07:31] amidaniel but the point is, users can mark their own edits autopatrolled, right?
[09:08:22] Hojjat: If you assign a group the autopatrol right, their edits will automatically be patrolled. Is that what you mean?
[09:08:32] well, sort of
[09:12:18] Hojjat: The 'autopatrol' right means that all edits by those users will be automatically patrolled; they can't choose whether or not to on an edit-by-edit basis.
[09:12:49] Pathoschild, yeah I get that from MediaWiki's code too :) the thing is, this option is not enabled for all sysops, I think
[09:12:49] Manually marking changes (by anyone, not just themselves) as patrolled is a different right.
[09:13:06] Pathoschild: He's curious about http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol&user=&page
[09:17:17] Oh, hm .. newpage patrol is back enabled
[09:17:53] And now that he's left, I know the answer to his question
[09:17:56] *sigh*
[09:29:47] Hello
[09:30:01] hi
[09:42:54] 03(FIXED) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 +comment (10vasilvv)
[09:47:23] wth
[09:47:28] php is braindead
[09:47:41] function formatMetadata( $image ) { ... }
[09:48:00] $this->img->formatMetadata();
[09:48:21] and it spews only the following error:
[09:48:22] PHP Strict Standards: Declaration of BitmapHandler::formatMetadata() should be compatible with that of MediaHandler::formatMetadata() in /var/www/w/includes/media/Bitmap.php on line 305
[09:48:42] how about the missing value for $image perhaps?
[09:54:52] Nikerabbit: Well, it's better than "Segmentation fault" :)
[10:13:15] 03(NEW) ifexist function creating wantedpages noice - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12019 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (c.stafford)
[10:13:32] amidaniel: mmm
[10:17:00] ug
[10:17:22] oh god, i cant believe i misspelled noise
[10:17:49] heh .. I was going to change it but decided against it :)
[10:17:54] 03(mod) ifexist function creating wantedpages noise - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12019 summary (10c.stafford)
[10:18:05] Aw, no fun
[10:18:11] 5am, need coffee
[10:18:13] or sleep
[10:18:30] 3 am ... and my paper still consists of only a title :D
[10:19:02] mah
[10:19:07] anyone know the jscript function to convert int->char?
[10:19:28] Wiredtape: erm ... (char) ?
[10:20:07] it's not a function :)
[10:20:17] method :)
[10:20:27] ewww not jscript!
[10:20:33] amidaniel, isn't (char) java? i'm looking for jscript...
[10:20:58] Key makevalidate-autosum already belongs to ext-flaggedrevs, conflict with ext-makevalidate
[10:21:01] hmm
[10:21:03] (jscript is a microsoft implementation of javascript)
[10:21:10] 04(REOPENED) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 +comment (10derbeth)
[10:21:14] woops... i mean javascript...
[10:21:50] Oh .. just figured it was the same
[10:22:02] *amidaniel tries to avoid that javascript crap as much as possible ;)
[10:22:41] Wiredtape: You might try Character.forDigit ( n, 10 );
[10:22:46] Wiredtape is making an A-Z list that could show\hide based on letter... Wiredtape thinks this could be usefull in his wiki as well as in wikipedia.
[10:22:51] That works in java, dunno about jscript
[10:22:52] Wiredtape: intvar += "";
[10:23:13] amidaniel, uberfuzzy, will try. thanks.
[10:26:07] is it ok to remove Linker::makeStubLink ? it is used nowhere...
[10:26:37] ThomasV: AaronSchulz was just screaming about that .. I'd suggest leaving it till he gets sorted what he needs to sort :)
[10:27:00] hmm.. I was planning to commit something
[10:27:10] maybe I should commit before :-)
[10:28:04] amidaniel: what exactly did aaron say ?
[10:29:04] ThomasV: why do you want to remove it?
[10:29:36] [07:43:26] amidaniel: link stub classing seems to be brokz0rs
[10:29:48] works for me
[10:30:00] Nikerabbit: actually, I want to rename makeStubLinkObj
[10:30:26] why?
[10:30:37] to handle different color codes, with different semantics, in an extension
[10:31:06] actually, my patch is a simplification
[10:31:20] maybe you should show the patch... :D
[10:31:44] okay...
[10:32:07] *ThomasV grabs diff
[10:34:18] <_wooz> lo
[10:35:22] Nikerabbit: http://rafb.net/p/1KqMFJ13.html
[10:36:06] hmm c++
[10:36:13] Wiredtape: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Global_Objects:String:fromCharCode
[10:36:17] I want to be able to insert these two hooks
[10:36:40] GetLinkColourCode and GetLinkColour
[10:37:28] hmhm
[10:37:31] I could also leave makeStubLink but I think it is completely useless. It is not used anywhere
[10:37:31] I see
[10:37:48] so I propose to remove it
[10:38:11] ThomasV: well you could mark it deprecated and make it call the new functions, also I don't like the numerically indexed color thingie
[10:38:23] jeremyb - thank you.
[10:38:38] ThomasV: "not used anywhere" is a difficult claim to make
[10:38:39] I do not like it either, but it was too many things to change
[10:38:48] Have you accounted for every extension ever written?
[10:39:00] amidaniel: not in current extensions
[10:39:13] it's a public function, so it should be deprecated first, imho
[10:39:20] *amidaniel agrees with Nikerabbit
[10:39:27] ok, how do I do that ?
[10:39:28] public functions should never be removed
[10:39:53] minute-ssh: well I wouldn't be that literal
[10:40:02] ThomasV: Add @deprecated to the preceding comment and write another method that does the same thing only better
[10:40:29] BC is BC but if you take it literally you get windows and even it doesn't do it to full extent
[10:40:44] ok, but that is already what it is doing... it is calling another method
[10:41:51] I'll keep makeStubLinkObj as well then, and mark it as deprecated
[10:43:06] Nikerabbit: any idea why numerically coded classes were used in the first place ?
[10:43:34] dunno
[10:43:39] poor code is easy to write
[10:44:06] I think it would be simpler to have an array of strings and no conversion at all...
[10:44:31] but I realized that I would need to change too many things then
[10:44:53] :<
[10:45:17] I'd just call with correct class directly
[10:46:15] 03(NEW) Install Gadgets extension on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12020 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (le.korrigan)
[10:57:07] 06(LATER) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 +comment (10jeluf)
[11:09:29] 03(FIXED) Install Gadgets extension on fr.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12020 +comment (10jeluf)
[11:10:12] 04(REOPENED) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837 +comment (10derbeth)
[11:15:20] 03(FIXED) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id= +comment (10jeluf)
[11:18:07] JeLuF: is Gadgets going to be installed on-request only, or eventually it'll be site-wide?
[11:29:12] BrokenArrow: i guess the answer is yes and yes :)
[11:29:33] Is there a way to remove deleted images really?
[11:29:47] i think they are onlay marked as deleted
[11:30:03] !oversight
[11:30:03] Oversighting removes revisions from access by normal users and sysops. More information is available here: .
[11:30:14] maybe not
[11:30:34] You can delete them / replace them with empty images in the archive dir.
[11:30:43] I think there's a config setting for this too, isn't there?
[11:32:08] yes, there is
[11:32:12] I want to back up my wiki via ftp over dsl-light, but the image folder is very big, due to the fact, that deleted images are only marked as deleted and not really physically removed
[11:32:34] eww, backup over ftp
[11:32:40] Do you have shell access?
[11:32:52] no, sorry
[11:32:56] meh
[11:33:03] wAndyw78: retention of deleted images is optional - iirc it's even off per default. are you sure that this is the issue? I would suspect cached thumbnails to be the problem
[11:33:04] ftp will have to do
[11:33:15] also... aren't deleted images in a special sub directory
[11:33:27] oh, lets have a look
[11:33:32] ftp is da suX0r
[11:34:08] sftp is usually available even when shell isn't
[11:34:21] minute-ssh: Not in my experience
[11:34:32] ok
[11:35:04] Duesentrieb: I can see temp, archive, thumb and hexadecimal numbered folders
[11:35:26] archive are the deleted images, thumb are the thumbs
[11:35:31] wAndyw78: archive would be the deleted ones
[11:35:34] Should be safe to delete everything in thumb
[11:35:45] and in ignore archive too
[11:35:55] and temp
[11:36:10] okay, thank at all
[11:36:11] hm... can't find the setting, though
[11:36:16] !images
[11:36:20] o_O
[11:36:22] !uploads
[11:36:22] File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See for more info.
[11:36:36] That's the second time that's happened today :)
[11:36:41] !images alias uploads
[11:36:41] Successfully added alias: images
[11:37:12] :P
[11:38:02] Oh, btw, someone mentioned something about requested features for the bot -- was there anything that isn't on the mediawiki.org page?
[11:38:59] wAndyw78: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileStore
[11:39:14] wAndyw78: archive is different from deleted, i guess
[11:39:28] archive = overwritten versions. deleted = deleted files
[11:40:29] AmiDaniel_away: i have one: add a way to post feature requests directly to the bot. like @request add option to make fresh toast
[11:40:42] you mail you. or update the wiki page :)
[11:40:48] s/you/could/
[11:40:58] heh
[11:41:20] Alright, well, I'll try to get some new gizmos up over thanksgiving
[11:41:37] So if you need anything, now's the time to tell me :)
[11:46:31] * List aliases. MinuteElectron 11:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
[11:46:41] :)
[11:47:13] Duesentrieb: prior 1.11 files seems to be really delteted. Thanks for that link.
[11:47:41] wAndyw78: yes, you'd have to set $wgSaveDeletedFiles = true; to change that
[11:47:58] *Duesentrieb is updating the documentation right now
[11:48:13] Duesentrieb: At the moment, I'm happy that the deleted files weren't stored ;-)
[11:48:22] kk :)
[11:52:28] Duesentrieb: is that off by default?
[11:52:57] Nikerabbit: it used to be. on per default since 1.11, it seems
[11:53:04] nice
[11:58:19] mour
[12:16:47] 03(NEW) Provide additional links on Special:Listusers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12021 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (le.korrigan)
[12:35:40] 03(NEW) import from oldwikisource to en.wikisource.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12022 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (jayvdb)
[12:41:09] Is there a way for me to check where a problem is with common.js? for instance, if a function was executed?
[12:44:38] I have http://www.pastey.net/77555 that in common.js, and I have a
but it isn't working... anyone have any idea why? http://www.wiredtape.com/wiki/templates:Countries is an example ...
[12:46:30] Wiredtape: debugging js is a matter of your browser. look at the error console, get firebug (that's for firefox - other browsers should have similar extensions/features)
[12:50:13] Duesentrieb, I am using firebug, but I can't find any errors.. :-\
[13:01:29] Wiredtape: well, then it's possible not called, or does nothing. you can use firebug to directly execute javascript. very handy for debugging
[13:05:13] Duesentrieb, thank you.
[13:21:50] 03(mod) import from oldwikisource to en.wikisource.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12022 +comment (10pathoschild)
[13:56:51] 03(NEW) 'edit' message incorrectly translated to Persian - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12023 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (roozbeh)
[14:14:37] 03(mod) Displayed semicolons should be localizable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11810 (10roozbeh)
[14:37:09] 03(mod) Give rollback to ClueBot on enwp. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12015 +comment (10axel9891)
[14:40:33] 03(mod) import from oldwikisource to en.wikisource.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12022 (10jayvdb)
[14:43:53] anyone to give comments about a patch?
[14:56:56] hi all
[14:57:12] how can i bulletize (:*) items in a table?
[14:59:19] as far as I know lists cant span over table cells
[15:01:27] 03(FIXED) Enable RC patrol in Catalan Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10051 +comment (10iradigales)
[15:05:27] what would be the SQL query to desysop a user?
[15:06:15] Does anyone think wikipedia could benefit from the js I did here: http://www.wiredtape.com/wiki/template:Countries
[15:06:46] Jack_Phoenix: use the special page
[15:07:14] umm, across 10(+) wikis => no thanks :)
[15:08:48] delete from user_groups where ug_user = magic id and ug_group = 'sysop'; ?
[15:10:35] thanks :)
[15:10:59] DELETE FROM user_groups WHERE ug_user = (SELECT user_id FROM use WHERE user_name = 'username') AND ug_group = 'sysop';
[15:17:08] *Nikerabbit pokes wiredtape
[15:21:34] 03(NEW) Correcting Persian date formats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12024 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (roozbeh)
[15:23:41] 03(mod) Displayed semicolons should be localizable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11810 (10roozbeh)
[15:30:51] 03(NEW) Persian genitive month names incorrect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12025 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (roozbeh)
[15:31:57] Hi, anyone willing to take a quick look at an extension I am planning to see if it has any obvious flaws? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MinuteElectron/Plans/Data_storage_extension If you care, thanks.
[15:36:39] minute: from a quick glance, two things come to mind: it would probably be nice to be able to format the output (one record/row) using a template (infobox-style).
[15:36:52] and second, but more importantly - how does versioning of the db data work?
[15:37:04] versioning is/was the major crux of the wikidata proposal
[15:37:15] (and what you are doing is close to the original wikidata stuff)
[15:38:18] oh yea, and a form view for data entry would probably also be nice - and could also be done using a template-like syntax.
[15:38:29] ugh
[15:38:31] hm... i seem to recal seing something like that... somewhere
[15:38:33] Hmm, well I thought long and hard about that - and since you have to use a parser tag the database history would be stored in the page history.
[15:38:51] Why to use editpage.php if it is not going to be a normal page?
[15:38:57] I thought about using a form for input, but that doesn't work well with a parser tag.
[15:39:14] hmm
[15:39:22] *minute looks up wikidata
[15:39:22] minute: uh... the form doesn't need to be on page, it could be a special page
[15:39:28] linked from the output
[15:39:40] anyway, i don't quite get it. how doe the input tags modify the database?
[15:39:56] Duesentrieb: When the page is saved the row they correspond too is update\inserted.
[15:40:00] you always completely clear and refill the table, according to the records defined on the page?
[15:40:14] no...
[15:40:22] what happens if you delete entries from the article?
[15:40:31] the row is deleted
[15:40:50] how do you find out which rows to delete?
[15:40:57] using a structured diff?
[15:41:32] no, since one column in a table has to be unqiue you just fill a where clause with all the data in the parser tag.
[15:41:47] hm?
[15:42:07] that would explain how to replace a row. but not how to delete it
[15:42:15] just remove the parser tag?
[15:42:33] it will remember what parser tags were on that page and realise one is missing
[15:42:47] that's what i meant by structured diff
[15:42:56] oh
[15:43:03] probably that then
[15:43:11] hm... how?
[15:43:43] each table would have a page column
[15:43:45] and if you access the same table from two pages, you'll get a complete mess
[15:43:58] yeah
[15:44:13] i think this might have to be consigned to my really bad ideas pile
[15:44:40] :P
[15:44:42] sorry
[15:45:01] Meh, I'll have a look to see if another extension already complements my needs.
[15:45:11] http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/plural.patch any opinions?
[15:45:29] But database aren't really good for three dimensional data coming to think about it (rows, columns, and history).
[15:45:43] Which is an idea.
[15:45:50] I could make my own database engine...
[15:45:57] But that is probably a bad idea.
[15:46:02] s/probably//
[15:48:04] minute: 3d is no problem in an rdbms. just add a "version" column. the unique key is than the real unique key plus the version. for a given key, use the row with the max version.
[15:48:18] should work
[15:48:37] hmm
[15:49:06] so, like. each table actually has two tables, one for storing history of rows, and another for storing the current versions.
[15:49:10] that is a nice idea
[15:49:22] *minute grabs a pen and paper
[15:50:26] minute: that'S how mediawiki used to work (cur and old)
[15:51:11] cool
[15:53:54] ok, got plans - now i just need to spend a few days thinking about it before i waste time coding something rubbish
[15:58:32] Duesentrieb: Thanks for your input, much appreciated.
[16:04:19] 03(NEW) Run namespacedupes on qu.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12026 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (lejonel)
[16:10:10] 03(FIXED) Run namespacedupes on qu.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12026 +comment (10jeluf)
[16:20:05] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id= (10ice201)
[16:21:09] hmm
[16:21:13] wikibugs: bug id would be nice
[16:22:05] 11008?
[16:23:00] no comments for my patch? http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/plural.patch
[16:23:19] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=ice201&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfie
[16:23:39] VasilievVV: tinyurl :)
[16:23:53] Nikerabbit: ok. btw, patch is nice idea
[16:25:13] Nikerabbit: it was http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12014
[16:26:18] [18-Nov-2007 13:54:03] PHP Strict Standards: Declaration of PasswordResetForm::execute() should be compatible with that of SpecialPage::execute() in /var/www/w/includes/SpecialResetpass.php on line 163
[16:27:06] who wants to increase commit count? :D
[16:29:09] Nikerabbit: if smb wants, can he fix notices in ApiQueryInfo.php about undeclared variables?
[16:30:45] VasilievVV: ?
[16:31:34] Try api.php?action=query&prop=info&titles=Main%20Page with E_NOTICE
[16:33:50] bad
[16:34:37] after I import the page, revision and text tables, mediawiki gives me errors ala (The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Test".).. i used to be able to get this to work - anyone recognize what i'm missing?
[16:37:50] Nikerabbit: Special:Recentchanges also raises strict errors
[16:38:49] VasilievVV: not for me
[16:39:35] Nikerabbit: LinkSearch raises errors
[16:39:35] *Nikerabbit hates php's error logging
[16:40:33] PHP Warning: array_slice() [function.array-slice]: The first argument should be an array in
[16:40:57] I would like 1) to have backtrace 2) know what is it then if not array
[16:40:59] 03(NEW) Different error message when attempting to mark non-mainspace pages as patrolled - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12027 trivial; low; MediaWiki extensions: Patroller; (matthew.britton)
[17:08:33] 03(NEW) Special:Listbots shortcut - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12028 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[17:09:40] There's a way I could transform a word in internal link, but for any of that word in the wiki? For example I want to create an article called "cat", and make all the "cat" words in the wiki to link there? or I should make it manually? Did I explain well =S?
[17:09:49] I am trying to find where the register script is located in mediawiki-1.9.3.
[17:10:18] I wanna accept Unicode characters in usernames on my own project, but I fear it will lead to abuse.
[17:26:16] I'm still having issues with Bug 11292 (errors in BagOStuff.php under Postgresql). I tried switching to the latest SVN, it did not fix the problem. Revision 26040 supposedly fixed it, but I'm still getting ugly unserialized() errors on my pages.
[17:29:10] clean install?
[17:29:34] yes
[17:30:20] The only thing that carried over was my database. That's alright, isn't it?
[17:30:44] nope if there is corrupt data in it
[17:31:01] I suppose it's empty, I can recreate it.
[17:34:46] what's the best way to get out of a job that you hate?
[17:34:52] quit in a way that pisses them off?
[17:34:59] or piss them off till you are fired?
[17:35:29] laowai: put in your notice and hope they don't ask you to finish your (2?) weeks.
[17:35:51] Burning bridges is bad.
[17:36:29] hah, no notice here
[17:36:33] that's the plan man
[17:36:57] If you're worth anything to them, you leaving will be enough to spite them.
[17:36:59] because everytime i argue my case (and im 9/10 time dead right), im yelled at and threatened
[17:37:17] Fresh database, fresh svn checkout, restarted postgresql, fresh config... Let's hope for the best.
[17:37:32] it's quite an abusive shit job actually
[17:37:36] yay china
[17:39:35] And there it is.
[17:39:49] Fresh Database, Latest SVN, Still problems with BagOStuff.php
[17:40:27] bugger
[17:40:33] yeah...
[17:40:40] Line 392 only
[17:40:49] Before I had multiple errors, I believe
[17:40:53] 04(REOPENED) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 +comment (10yuriastrakhan)
[17:41:03] Let me find the bug report, someone else reported it as being an error on that line as well...
[17:42:40] (Offset 0 of 80 bytes), I get different errors...
[18:14:30] 04(REOPENED) Allow percentage values for thumbnail sizes relative to default thumbnail width - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7003 +comment (10wikipara)
[18:24:19] anyone to help me with new wiki creation questions?
[18:24:52] !ask
[18:24:52] Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[18:25:02] teak, a new wiki creation??
[18:25:32] Soroush83, yes
[18:25:45] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages/Schedule
[18:25:55] there are 4 new wikis waiting to be created
[18:26:17] the bug for one of them is 3 weeks old
[18:28:19] teak, I think you should ask it a main developer
[18:29:01] Soroush83, anyone with shell access can do it, the questions is what's keeping them from doing it
[18:29:45] teak, I don't have shell access on wikimedia servers
[18:30:44] Soroush83 :) that's why i started with a "i have a question about..."
[18:32:10] teak, wrong channel, try #wikimedia-tech. You need to be persistent, mostly it's volunteer sysadmins who implement this stuff.
[18:32:14] teak, now Nikerabbit might be free for this and I think #wikimedia-tech can
[18:32:22] Nikerabbit is not a sysadmin and can't help you.
[18:32:24] Nor can I.
[18:32:29] be a plce for you to ask your
[18:32:32] oh
[18:32:35] sorry
[18:32:46] Simetrical, thanks, i'll try that venue
[18:33:18] Simetrical, so people who have access to trunk don't have access to main files
[18:33:53] Soroush83, Nikerabbit and I (for instance) have commit access to Subversion. We don't have the right to change anything that's used on an actual server. Our changes don't go live until a sysadmin synchronizes them.
[18:34:13] And more to the point, most Wikimedia-specific things like site creation and settings aren't in Subversion at all.
[18:34:31] Someone with shell access to the servers is needed, and there are a lot fewer of them than of SVN committers.
[18:34:57] Simetrical, how offen is sub version commited to actual server
[18:35:06] and who are system admins
[18:35:31] Soroush83, can be anywhere from twice in an hour to once in a month. Once every few days is a reasonable average.
[18:35:50] Some of the sysadmins are listed at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developers
[18:36:07] Those with shell access or higher are the relevant ones.
[18:36:29] It's probably pretty badly outdated. There's no authoritative public list.
[18:36:44] I think one of them was angela
[18:36:44] wasn't she?
[18:37:52] Angela was a board member. AFAIK she isn't a sysadmin sort and never had any kind of server access.
[18:38:11] Her SO, Tim Starling, is a root server admin.
[18:40:27] Simetrical, I'd heard her name while installing some wiki projects. I feel I should improve my information about these things more
[18:55:20] 03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 (10vasilvv)
[19:09:54] 03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 +comment (10minuteelectron)
[19:39:56] 03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 (10roan.kattouw)
[20:00:51] An article title with an apostrophe (') cuts off at the apostrophe, with that symbol and the following text replaced by a backslash (\), Any attempt to delete or edit the resulting backslashed article will result in editing or altering an article with double the backslashes in the name (for example the article "MediaWiki\" becomes the target "MediaWiki\\" when editing or deleting). This is on a LINUX/Apache system running PHP 5
[20:01:08] How do I correct this error?
[20:03:11] Vassyana, why the (quite random) CTCP ping? o.o
[20:04:15] To see if anyone was here, I guess.
[20:04:19] Nothing wrong with it.
[20:04:37] Vassyana, maybe some kind of bad rewrite rule? I'm not sure. Have you tried Googling?
[20:05:45] Simetrical, yessir, wandered about the MediaWiki site for a good while as well. Not having a great amount of luck.
[20:08:22] it is a standard apostrophe or a curly apostrophe?
[20:08:41] sounds like a broken proxy to me.
[20:08:44] can you rule that out?
[20:09:02] or a broken browser :)
[20:09:04] 03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 (10yuriastrakhan)
[20:09:28] MZMcBride, standard.
[20:10:08] did you mess with rewrite rules?
[20:11:32] It occured straight from the install.
[20:11:47] of mediawiki?
[20:11:51] or apache?
[20:12:29] it really doesn't sound like a mediawiki problem, really... maybe an odd php/cgi setup? or something about proxies (or client or server side)
[20:12:40] meow
[20:12:42] or an oddball webserver
[20:12:46] Nikerabbit: mooo
[20:13:20] Vassyana: it does this with title= in the URL?
[20:13:29] Duesentrieb, it probably is something with the MySQL or PHP setup, but I was hoping someone might have an idea of what it might be particularly.
[20:13:39] MySQL is unlikely
[20:13:49] MZMcBride, yessir.
[20:14:07] are you using php via cgi?
[20:14:20] sounds like apache to me; you could try asking in the php and apache rooms
[20:14:32] yea, try that...
[20:15:12] Thanks :)
[20:15:21] *Simetrical bets they'll say "ask in #mediawiki"
[20:16:20] Whatever it is, it transforms the apostrophe to "\'" (which is equiv to \'). I'll check in PHP first. :)
[20:17:18] Vassyana: some hosts use some crazy "mangle all post data tomake it safe" stuff. which generally breaks stuff.
[20:17:54] you know, like php's magicquotes (which mediawiki circumvents), but worse.
[20:17:56] can someone poke working cia-bot here
[20:26:14] Nikerabbit, yay, varargs sucks in PHP.
[20:26:55] Oh, this isn't varargs. Oh well.
[20:27:00] Still makes sense to make it variable.
[20:28:48] Simetrical: well it's kinda varargs in coreparserfunctions
[20:29:16] *Simetrical didn't look too closely
[20:38:40] 03(FIXED) What links here navigation on hr wikipedia is broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11991 +comment (10stem)
[21:07:06] hello wpedzich ;-)
[21:07:06] *wpedzich greets all
[21:07:38] I need some assistance - there's a user who's asking us how to make MediaWiki software accept any kind of file for upload.
[21:09:32] wpedzich: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCheckFileExtensions ?
[21:09:55] hm, Arme has looked there I presume.
[21:11:10] he said he wrote:
[21:11:11] [22:09:10] $wgFileExtensions[] = 'pdf';
[21:11:11] [22:09:10] $wgFileExtensions[] = 'odp';
[21:11:11] [22:09:10] $wgCheckFileExtensions = false;
[21:11:12] It's supposed to be set as "false"?
[21:11:22] and it allows pdfs, but not odps
[21:12:02] re
[21:12:40] qm :>
[21:17:16] Herr_Kriss: $wgCheckFileExtensions == bad ida.
[21:18:00] generally, when having upload problems, enable debug log, see what's happening
[21:18:42] bah, wpedzich is gone
[21:19:11] re, sorry, got disconnected.
[21:19:42] Duesentrieb : ok, i'll tell him
[21:21:53] Herr_Kriss: the correct way to allow (almost) all kinds of files is $wgStrictFileExtensions plus a working mime detection (use $wgMimeDetectorCommand)
[21:22:09] ic
[21:22:16] when messing with office files, i suppose enabling automatic virus scans would be a good idea too
[21:22:53] Herr_Kriss: canonical documentation is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Uploading_directly_from_a_URL
[21:23:06] also read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection
[21:24:25] ok, i'll tell him
[21:24:28] thanks :)
[21:27:25] cya
[21:45:24] 03(NEW) formatted negative numbers should start with a minus sign, not a hyphen - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12029 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (gtisza)
[22:01:01] 03(NEW) Special: Watchlist enhancement - allow return of removed items to list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12030 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[22:07:45] where can i configure the style of the date sets which is used on all pages? i mean i want it to be YYYY-MM-DD instead of eg 18 November 2007
[22:13:07] includes/DateFormatter.php i guess :)
[22:13:30] is there any variable saying which skin is used? eg. like $wgUser is for user...
[22:13:42] Danny_B: wgUser->getSkin
[22:14:37] Duesentrieb: always ready to help, how nice ;-) what's the content? "monobook" or "Monobook"?
[22:15:03] Danny_B: the skin object
[22:15:27] aha, huh, i'd need just the skin name string
[22:15:31] wgUser->getSkin()->getName() probably exists. or something like that
[22:15:53] will try to dig, thx
[22:15:59] maybe ->name or ->mName. look at the SKin class
[22:16:53] I think getSkinName.
[22:17:48] yep, getSkinName()
[22:29:45] 14(DUP) formatted negative numbers should start with a minus sign, not a hyphen - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12029 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:29:46] 03(mod) Language::formatNum() should prefix negative values with − - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8327 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:31:58] 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908 (10danny_b)
[22:32:26] 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908 +need-review +patch (10danny_b)
[22:38:50] Danny_B, did you test that patch?
[22:38:51] Fatal error: Call to undefined method SkinMonoBook::getName() in /var/www/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPage.php on line 841
[22:41:01] Or did you just test it on one skin?
[22:41:36] Simetrical: well, i wanted to help. tried to speed things up. done some copy'n'paste'n'edit using stuff i've been told. did not test, since have no chance to :-/ sorry if i screwed something up. i thought that's exactly why need-review keyword is there
[22:41:47] Well, yes.
[22:43:30] it's my second attempt to do some patch. i chosed something i thought it will be easy to manage... apprently not that easy :-(
[22:45:05] 03(mod) api.php should honor maxlag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11206 (10cbm)
[22:45:18] Danny_B: always test. untested patches generally only cause work.
[22:45:33] (some people can write code that will run on the first try - sometimes. i'm not one of them)
[22:46:16] Danny_B: no one expects a whole test suite. but a quick does-it-work is required.
[22:46:37] well, then i rather won't post any patch. since i have no chance to test atm
[22:46:42] it's ok to say "i didn't test this and that aspect"...
[22:46:55] Danny_B: why not? can't you install mw on your box?
[22:48:39] 03(mod) Special:Mystyle and Special:Myscript - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6908 normal->15enhancement; -need-review -patch ; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[22:49:02] never got mw run on my comp :-/ and nobody knew where the prob can be - asked couple people here and elsewhere (about mw, php, mysql, even apache) you know - stupid OS (that was really an eXPerience :-/)
[22:49:46] hello, anybody here?
[22:50:19] !ask
[22:50:19] Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[22:51:52] My question is about calling special pages on Wikipedia— is there a way to call the special page Whatlinkshere, that is, make it appear on a page? All I keep getting is a link to the special page
[22:52:27] (and BTW I only said "anybody here" because I didn't want to go to the trouble of typing all that if nobody was paying attention; sorry)
[22:52:58] Simetrical: Patch doesn't apply cleanly to trunk; are you using an up-to-date copy of the
[22:52:58] software? - did you mean mw? downloaded the specialpage.php about 6 hrs ago, so i perhaps missed some update then :-/
[22:54:26] hmm, svn doesn't seem to have anything newer
[22:54:34] Lenoxus: someone is almost always around
[22:55:13] Though I haven't always found that to be the case, I'll trust that for now :)
[22:55:25] maybe things are a bit slower on sundays
[22:55:31] could that be problem with newlines?
[22:56:20] *Danny_B rather gives up on patch creating since he apparently causes more work than saves :-(
[22:57:09] Danny_B, I don't know, the patch didn't apply properly for me.
[22:57:41] Danny_B, well, you can contribute a lot if you can put in the work. It can be helpful sometimes if you submit untested one-line fixes, but if they don't work straight away, there's no guarantee anyone else will fix them for oyu.
[22:57:42] you.
[22:59:56] Simetrical: well, i hope at least 12028 isn't screwed up :-o
[23:01:27] Danny_B, lots of special pages being added. I know we have Special:Listadmins, but for this Special:Listusers/bot would probably do (if I remember right and that works). Most installs probably don't have bots.
[23:01:36] But maybe someone else will be willing to commit it.
[23:01:44] (not to discourage you, though)
[23:02:10] By the way, Brion pointed out that changing wfMsgHtml so it doesn't escape will break it when it's used for things like JavaScript output, say.
[23:02:24] So it's not so simple to fix.
[23:03:19] Simetrical: been told to use diff -u oldfile newfile > patchfile to create the patch, should i rather use something else?
[23:03:35] Danny_B, svn diff.
[23:08:14] Danny_B: how did you try to install mediawiki? what was the problem?
[23:08:35] i wouldn't even start to hack a software that doesn't run on my own box...
[23:08:43] how would i expect to run anywhere else?
[23:09:07] as been said above, tried to do something easy
[23:09:28] Duesentrieb: xampp + mw 1.9 iirc
[23:09:39] 1.9?...
[23:09:52] it has been a while. get xampp up, try to install latest trunk.
[23:10:04] if you are on windows, that is
[23:10:13] don't use xampp on linux, it's pointless
[23:14:46] yes, win. having eXPeriencies with them every other day :-/
[23:21:58] *stab*
[23:26:25] hey there
[23:26:36] i need help
[23:26:54] Duesentrieb: What are the major advantages of upgrading from 1.9.3 to the latest version of MW?
[23:27:18] putlake: new features, and more extension that will work. read the release notes.
[23:30:49] i need to get to my sidebar, anyways how ?
[23:31:12] UK_Jimbow: MediaWiki:Sidebar
[23:32:07] i tried that and did not work
[23:32:08] :\
[23:32:27] what do you mean, did not work
[23:32:49] UK_Jimbow: iirc, the page is blank per default. create it if it's blank. follow the instructions
[23:32:53] !sidebar
[23:32:53] To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see .
[23:32:56] hi how can I get blockquote on media wiki?
[23:33:07] is it the tag or is there one within media wiki
[23:33:13] JZA: prefix the line/paragraph with :
[23:33:15] I think indent works too
[23:33:18] oh ok
[23:33:22] that's indent
[23:33:31] might be supported
[23:33:34] is special
[23:34:01] !cite
[23:34:01] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[23:34:23] Duesentrieb: i went there already but couldnt help me :(
[23:35:23] UK_Jimbow: well, if you could say what exactly your problem is... or provide a link to the sidebar page on your wiki...
[23:36:04] can i PM it to you?
[23:37:51] Duesentrieb: you get my PM?
[23:39:11] hi
[23:39:39] can i use mediawiki monobopk editor on my server?
[23:40:41] PCPaolo: editor?
[23:41:10] Duesentrieb: yes
[23:41:25] there'S no monobook editor. what do you mean?
[23:41:48] Duesentrieb: editor bar with javascript
[23:42:11] ah, that stuff. sorry, donÄt know how to do that (tell me if you find out).
[23:42:17] it's unrelated to monobook, though
[23:42:45] ok thanx
[23:44:00] PCPaolo, I have integrated FCKeditor with my wiki
[23:44:22] http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php/Main_Page
[23:44:24] putlake: how do ^
[23:45:27] PCPaolo: The integration guide is here http://mediawiki.fckeditor.net/index.php/FCKeditor_integration_guide
[23:47:59] putlake: how does it play with templates, parser functions, and custom tags?
[23:48:19] putlake: if i wanted to edit a complex template... would it let me?
[23:49:55] Duesentrieb: There is a WikiText mode
[23:50:08] for math tags and custom tags, you can edit in that mode
[23:50:29] putlake: too difficult
[23:50:34] I added a custom tag for YouTube
[23:50:37] putlake: how do they shopw in wysiwyg mode? being able to edit them is nice, but are they preserved if someone edits around them?
[23:50:39] and it lets me use it
[23:51:04] PCPaoloL It's actually easy (otherwise I couldn't have integrated it). Do you know PHP?
[23:51:31] They show up OK. You can use their sandbox environment to play in
[23:51:42] Duesentrieb: They show up OK. You can use their sandbox environment to play in
[23:51:51] putlake: i try
[23:51:58] putlake: thanx
[23:53:53] Duesentrieb: I was wrong. Actually the custom tags don't show up in the WYSIWYG mode. They are visible and should be edited in the WikiText mode.}}