[00:06:25] <Messedrocker>	is davidmccabe on IRC?
[00:06:49] <amidaniel>	not atm no
[00:39:27] <TimLaqua>	anyone ever use wakka?
[00:58:09] <surye>	Hello, I'm not sure if I found a bug or not, but when I put a URL like [http://example.com link] in a template, I get PHP error messages "Warning: in_array() [function.in-array]: Wrong datatype for second argument in /var/www/html/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1964
[00:58:32] <surye>	Also the same for like 1966, and looking at that line, it's "1964     if ( in_array( $bits['scheme'] . '://' , $wgUrlProtocols ) ) {"
[00:58:58] <surye>	And I believe that $wgUrlProtocols is a regex string, not an array, and this still seems to be the code in svn as far as I can tell
[01:00:51] <surye>	I'll submit a bug report, but I wanted to see if this was a known or common issue, or my own stupidity :P
[01:01:27] <Messedrocker>	sorry for abruptly leaving last time
[01:01:30] <Messedrocker>	was my question answered?
[01:05:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) External links in templates cause a PHP in_array error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12135 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (surye80)
[01:05:23] <surye>	There it is :)
[01:05:43] <jamasi>	phrontist, install poem-extension and wrap the log in <poem>  </poem>.
[01:06:34] <surye>	I'll just track this on the bug then, thanks.
[01:06:55] <Messedrocker>	so my question... does David McCabe use IRC?
[01:07:43] <amidaniel>	Messedrocker: Yes, but he's not on right now
[01:07:57] <amidaniel>	add davidmccabe to your /notify
[01:09:06] <Messedrocker>	or how about i memo him?
[01:11:18] <Messedrocker>	or rather, what's his wikipedia user name
[01:11:36] <TimLaqua>	- /msg memoserv <nick> <msg>
[01:12:12] <amidaniel>	TimLaqua: That works too :)
[01:12:16] <amidaniel>	Messedrocker: Erm .. not usre
[01:12:17] <amidaniel>	sure*
[01:12:21] <TimLaqua>	who's dave mccabe?
[01:14:08] <Messedrocker>	"davidmccabe" is not registered
[01:14:12] <amidaniel>	TimLaqua: He's working on LiquidThreads
[01:14:39] <amidaniel>	Messedrocker: Not according to nickserv
[01:14:52] <amidaniel>	18:08 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-            Nickname: davidmccabe 
[01:14:55] <Messedrocker>	excuse me
[01:14:59] <Messedrocker>	i misspelled it
[01:15:00] <amidaniel>	18:08 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 16 hours 52 minutes 12 seconds ago
[01:15:04] <amidaniel>	I figured :)
[01:15:15] <Messedrocker>	bai!
[01:15:21] <amidaniel>	O.o
[01:35:41] <gangleri>	Hi all!
[01:47:22] <jlerner>	TimStarling: is there any easy way to get Extension:LookupUser to work in 1.10?
[01:47:34] <jlerner>	there seems to be a problem with wfLoadExtensionMessages ...
[01:47:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolled edits occassionally unlogged - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12129  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:51:23] <phrontist>	is there a way to see edits made during a particular time range, or within a range near a particular time, across a mediawiki?
[01:51:36] <phrontist>	for instance "all edits that occured within two hours of this one"
[01:51:58] <phrontist>	or "all edits that occured within 5 hours of 2AM on Janurary 24, 2005"
[01:59:34] <Simetrical>	phrontist, not through the normal interface, as far as I'm aware.
[02:00:34] <phrontist>	hmm... perhaps time for a plugin then
[02:00:51] <Skizzerz>	it's possible with DPL
[02:00:58] <phrontist>	DPL?
[02:01:00] <Skizzerz>	but the syntax isn't all that nice
[02:01:09] <Skizzerz>	DynamicPageList
[02:01:57] <Skizzerz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList
[02:06:00] <TimLaqua>	jlerner: yeah, wfLoadExtensionMessages is only 1.11+
[02:06:46] <TimLaqua>	jlerner: did it ever work in 1.10?
[02:06:52] <jlerner>	it's ok - it looks like if you just grab the missing functions, it works OK
[02:06:56] *jlerner 	crosses fingers
[02:07:11] <jlerner>	i'll update the talk page
[02:07:34] <jlerner>	TimLaqua: above
[02:07:46] <TimLaqua>	well
[02:07:53] <TimLaqua>	lemme see if it was one of Siebrand's changes
[02:07:56] <jlerner>	i wouldn't recommend it to anyone
[02:08:01] <jlerner>	but it does seem to be working
[02:08:15] <jlerner>	we'll upgrade to the latest mediawiki once i pull out all the old hacks we did
[02:10:26] <TimLaqua>	hmmm...
[02:11:37] <jlerner>	i wouldn't recommend what i did, that is
[02:12:32] <TimLaqua>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/LookupUser/?pathrev=23169
[02:12:44] <TimLaqua>	that's the last version that will work in 1.10
[02:12:58] <jlerner>	ah ok - cool
[02:13:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please, may we use square brackets in JSON callbacks? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12136 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (kent_brewster)
[02:13:53] <TimLaqua>	siebrand is updating all the extensions to use wfLoadExtensionMessages - which renders them quite incompatible with anything before 1.11
[02:14:03] <jlerner>	thanks for the help TimLaqua 
[02:14:14] <TimLaqua>	I threw version checks in to all of my extensions, but really, I dunno what the solution for it all is.  ;-)
[02:14:21] <Simetrical>	What *is* wfLoadExtensionMessages?
[02:14:27] <TimLaqua>	crazy
[02:14:28] <Simetrical>	TimLaqua, extensions are branched.
[02:14:28] <TimLaqua>	just crazy
[02:14:34] <TimLaqua>	good point
[02:14:38] <Simetrical>	If you use 1.10, use extensions from the 1.10 branch.
[02:14:43] <TimLaqua>	I disagree
[02:14:52] <TimLaqua>	because I add functionality.
[02:15:03] <TimLaqua>	so the 1.10 branch is less functional
[02:15:05] <TimLaqua>	sure, it works.
[02:15:24] <TimLaqua>	but it's silly to say "we don't worry about backwards compatibility because we branch"
[02:15:28] <flyingparchment>	plenty of extensions in HEAD workon many versions... the branch thing isn't used by everyone
[02:15:37] <TimLaqua>	I agree
[02:15:38] <flyingparchment>	brion just does that because it's nice to know a particular version will work
[02:15:42] <jlerner>	TimLaqua: that's ok - maybe the extension template could prompt folks to add notes about this sort of thing
[02:15:57] <TimLaqua>	well, this will be an issue soon.
[02:16:18] <TimLaqua>	I just noticed one of mine get updated (as I tried to install my own extension and it exploded)
[02:16:41] <TimLaqua>	then I looked around and noticed that all the extensions are being updated to use wfLoadExtensionMessages
[02:16:56] <TimLaqua>	it appears to be a push to standardize, but I really don't know where the push came from
[02:17:42] <flyingparchment>	that's probably not a good idea
[02:17:58] <TimLaqua>	I added version checks to mine.
[02:18:08] <TimLaqua>	but that just made the code even dirtier.
[02:18:29] <TimLaqua>	*but* they will be backwards compatible and use wfLoadExtensionMessages when available.
[02:18:32] <TimLaqua>	so w/e.
[02:18:47] <flyingparchment>	maybe a stub version could go into Extensionfunctions
[02:19:03] <TimLaqua>	I hate requiring extensionfunctions though.
[02:19:19] <TimLaqua>	but I suppose that'd be a good middle-road.
[02:20:45] <TimLaqua>	eh, it'll be a fun conversation.
[02:27:52] <V1tal1t7>	hello
[03:24:44] <setuid>	Simetrical, You asleep yet? 
[03:25:04] <Simetrical>	setuid, soon.
[03:25:09] <Simetrical>	Not quite yet.
[03:25:46] <setuid>	I pulled the latest dump again, reimported, so far, so good... but something's fishy. It seems the public enwiki does not contain the same data that exists in the dump, even in the same articles. 
[03:25:58] <setuid>	Compare this: 
[03:26:04] <setuid>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo#History
[03:26:06] <setuid>	with this: 
[03:26:10] <setuid>	http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Goguryeo#History
[03:26:17] <setuid>	Disable stylesheets in both, to get an accurate comparison
[03:30:56] <p858snake>	Were using version 1.11.0 of mediawiki and we have png enabled in the config files but when we try to upload one we get the following error "Upload warning: The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again."
[03:31:42] <puzzlet>	it's up with Template:History_of_Korea precisely
[03:32:08] <setuid>	puzzlet, me? 
[03:32:14] <puzzlet>	yup
[03:32:22] <setuid>	What do you mean "it's up with.."? 
[03:32:34] <test34_>	setuid, images are missing in one
[03:32:42] <setuid>	test34_, I don't do images
[03:33:16] <puzzlet>	"that matters"?
[03:33:16] <jlerner>	is there any way to do a redirect inside a page like MediaWiki:Welcomecreation ?
[03:33:18] <test34_>	so what is the difference besides the top with donations and such
[03:33:20] <puzzlet>	http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Template:History_of_Korea
[03:33:45] <puzzlet>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:History_of_Korea
[03:33:53] <jlerner>	so that after you create an account, you are redirected to another page
[03:34:03] <setuid>	puzzlet, hrm, so I'm missing templates? 
[03:34:07] <setuid>	Or some extension? 
[03:34:59] <puzzlet>	i'm figuring out - but it's the template that is different
[03:35:30] <puzzlet>	seems like a timeline or something though
[03:35:36] <setuid>	Right
[03:35:52] <setuid>	It's weird how each letter is vertical, and separately linked
[03:36:07] <puzzlet>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:History_of_Korea&oldid=160481764
[03:36:20] <setuid>	ah-ha! 
[03:36:41] <setuid>	Now the real question is... how many other thousands of articles will have this too? 
[03:39:11] <setuid>	puzzlet, I just added the template to my own, and it looks fine on the template page: 
[03:39:14] <setuid>	http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Template:History_of_Korea
[03:39:19] <setuid>	But not on the parent page
[03:39:29] <setuid>	http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Goguryeo#History
[03:39:53] <test34_>	setuid, just grab the latest version....
[03:40:01] <setuid>	test34_, I just did 
[03:40:13] <setuid>	It doesn't seem to apply to the pages that call that template
[03:40:28] <setuid>	Or, the templates aren't being called at all or something
[03:41:12] <test34_>	I dont know how often dumps are dumped but they probably can't do them too often..
[03:41:22] <setuid>	test34_, They're ~every month or so 
[03:41:36] <setuid>	http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/
[03:41:42] <setuid>	Looks like ~every 2 weeks now
[03:41:48] <test34_>	ok
[03:41:57] <setuid>	Seems to vary
[03:42:04] <setuid>	dewiki is > 1 month, enwiki is 18 days
[03:45:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) mediawiki eats heading carriage returns - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130  (10tstarling)
[03:46:01] <setuid>	I'll re-init the templates from the original sql and see what happens
[03:52:03] <p858snake>	how would you set up a debugging log?
[03:52:30] <jlerner>	p858snake: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging
[03:54:13] <simon360>	jlerner: is profiling the same as debugging?
[03:54:33] <simon360>	in other words, do I have to set up startprofiler.php to debug, or is it for something else?
[03:54:34] <jlerner>	i don't think so
[03:54:42] <jlerner>	hm
[03:54:49] <flyingparchment>	no, they're unrelated
[03:55:03] <simon360>	alright
[03:55:16] <simon360>	well, they were in a subsection of debugging :\
[03:55:51] <flyingparchment>	they're both observation tools used during development, so conceptually they are related
[03:55:58] <flyingparchment>	but there's no requirement to do both at once
[03:56:24] <firewing1>	Is there a way to make a template split up it's parameters?
[03:56:39] <firewing1>	For example, I need to write a template that links to multiple pages
[03:57:02] <firewing1>	writing [[{{{1}}}]] won't do because in the case of two pages, it becomes [[Page1 Page2]]
[03:57:35] <firewing1>	Using {{{1}}} and {{{2}}} does work, but then what about three pages? (etc)
[03:59:53] <wknight8111>	use optional parameters using the parser functions
[04:00:20] <wknight8111>	{{#if:{{{1|}}}|...}} {{#if:{{{2|}}}|...}} ...
[04:01:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Lost bug report due to unknown keywords - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12133  summary; +comment (10tstarling)
[04:04:59] <simon360>	alright, I have the problem with the PNG files not uploading
[04:05:10] <simon360>	it's interpreting them as text-plain
[04:05:48] <setuid>	The Rain in Spain Falls Mainly on the text/plain
[04:06:09] <simon360>	heh
[04:07:42] <simon360>	anyway, I'm going to bed
[04:07:43] <DownhillGames>	bahahaha
[04:07:44] <simon360>	thanks guys
[04:07:51] <DownhillGames>	setuid; cute :)
[04:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Specialpages' links of known disappointment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11023  (10jidanni)
[04:16:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Update for Cantonese language (yue) #62, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese localisation (zho series) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12137 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[04:21:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Break messages used in Special:Statistics down further - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5619  (10jidanni)
[04:24:24] <p858snake>	Were using version 1.11.0 of mediawiki and we have png enabled in the config files but when we try to upload one we get the following error "Upload warning: The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again."
[04:24:42] <MZMcBride>	have you tried multiple files?
[04:25:12] <MZMcBride>	is it only PNGs? are you sure that they're PNGs?
[04:27:14] <amidaniel>	p858snake: Please make sure that you have set $wgMimeDetectorCommand appropriately. On unix systems, it should typically be "file -bi"
[04:27:39] <p858snake>	MZMcBride: it works on gifs and jpgs
[04:27:52] <p858snake>	and i've tried multipul png's
[04:28:50] <MZMcBride>	try adding this to LocalSettings.php:
[04:28:51] <MZMcBride>	$wgFileExtensions       = array( 'pdf', 'svg', 'tiff', 'tif', 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg' ); 
[04:29:07] <MZMcBride>	save LocalSettings.php and try to upload again
[04:50:24] <Algo>	Can anyone verify that MediaWiki exclusively uses UTF-8, or are other encodings possible (e.g. Shift-JIS)?
[04:51:32] <amidaniel>	If you specify the db character encoding as UTF-8, then yes.
[04:52:20] <Algo>	To be more specific: I'm coding some parser functions that need to handle multibyte characters, and I want to be sure that using regex /u is safe.
[04:53:22] <Algo>	amidaniel: ok, that's probably fine then =)
[04:53:29] <TimStarling>	since 1.5 it uses only UTF-8 internally
[04:53:39] <Algo>	Hi Tim
[04:53:45] <TimStarling>	hi
[04:53:52] <amidaniel>	There's the man you want to talk to :)
[04:55:22] <Algo>	I actually have a question for you - I noticed that in your recent Parser rewrite you changed the format of strip markers, and shuffled things around.  Do strip markers still have the same function they used to, and if so, what's their new format?  (I'm working on fixing StringFunctions.)
[04:56:30] <TimStarling>	they start with $parser->mUniqPrefix and end with $parser->mMarkerSuffix
[04:56:54] <TimStarling>	if $parser->mMarkerSuffix is unset, you can assume that the suffix is the old format
[04:57:05] <Algo>	hm, okay
[04:58:13] <Algo>	do you know if those can always be plugged directly into regex, or would that be too risky?
[04:59:27] <TimStarling>	that's what preg_quote is for
[05:00:21] <Algo>	gah, yes. *headsmack*
[05:02:35] <Algo>	Incidentally, if you have a few minutes, I'd love your opinion on my StringFunctions rewrite
[05:12:03] <TimStarling>	don't you worry about the consequences for wikipedia?
[05:14:53] <Algo>	Everything's written to be O(n), if that's what you mean.
[05:15:43] <TimStarling>	Introducing ParserFunctions caused an explosion in the quantity of text that the parser had to parse
[05:16:30] <TimStarling>	it seems to have slowed down parse operations for large articles by a significant factor
[05:16:36] <TimStarling>	and it's O(n) too
[05:16:42] <TimStarling>	but I don't just mean performance
[05:17:00] <TimStarling>	I mean the impact on readability and editability of wikitext as well
[05:19:35] <Algo>	As long as the esoteric stuff is constrained to templates, I don't think it's a huge issue.  Besides, unless you remove 90% of the existing functionality (including tables, html inclusion, etc.), the template space is never going to be completely readable to novices.
[05:19:54] <Algo>	The performance is a concern, however.
[05:20:25] <TimStarling>	ParserFunctions is quite efficient once it actually gains control
[05:20:54] <TimStarling>	the problem is calculating the inputs and parsing the outputs
[05:23:50] <TimStarling>	bbl
[05:43:12] <paulproteus>	I know this is un-wikilike, but what's the current state of creating some wiki pages you must be an admin to even see the wikitext of?
[05:44:24] <jlerner>	you can protect an entire namespace
[06:16:50] <paulproteus>	jlerner, Interesting; is there a way to protect members of a category, perhaps, or a list of pages I specify in some file?
[06:28:01] *Werdna 	waves NotACow 
[07:14:04] <CIA-30>	03rotem * r27918 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): coyprightpage should use {{ns:project}} since its text is shown directly in copyrightwarning.
[07:14:51] <CIA-30>	03rotem * r27919 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixing page names.
[07:15:02] <marvxxx>	moin
[07:34:34] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27920 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (6 files): Fix errors (Portal: -> Project:)
[07:42:13] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27921 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (110 files): Change message 'copyrightpage' to use {{ns:project}} per r27918
[08:11:01] <_wooz>	lo
[08:13:29] <AmiDaniel_coding>	hi _wooz 
[08:18:09] <_wooz>	hi AmiDaniel_coding
[08:20:50] <FreeNom>	re
[08:44:56] <Hojjat>	What happened?
[08:45:36] <needhelp>	Hi! I need your help. Iam collecting points in page listed below. If you be so kind, please click url below.(sorry for the spam, thank you) http://www.3dwhite.lt/?click=56a3cdcf22ccc7ab5f0a7f4d2bc900ff
[08:47:28] <Nikerabbit>	hint: don't click that link
[08:47:49] <Hojjat>	heh :)
[08:53:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External links in templates cause a PHP in_array error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12135  +comment (10tstarling)
[08:57:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External links in templates cause a PHP in_array error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12135  (10tstarling)
[08:58:16] <moonlight>	hi, does someone know why a blank page shows up, when i try to upload a picture'!? (i have my own wiki and wguserupload is enabled)
[08:59:05] <marvxxx>	is there a good doc about template programming...i want to add something like "if user=admin then put a image before the adminstring!
[09:00:15] <Hojjat>	marvxxx that is not possible
[09:00:27] <Hojjat>	You cannot findout (via wikicode) if a user is admin or noat
[09:00:32] <Hojjat>	not*
[09:00:48] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: nope..sorry the thing is i do a infobox for documentation
[09:01:09] <marvxxx>	and one argument is...for what people the docu is
[09:01:13] <Hojjat>	aha.
[09:01:30] <Hojjat>	so you mean, "user" is a parameter, and people can set it to "admin" or something else?
[09:01:56] <marvxxx>	but when i say in the template {{template|user=administrator}}
[09:02:24] <marvxxx>	i want that it puts a little graphic in front of the name administrator in the infobox
[09:02:27] <Hojjat>	in what you pasted above, "user" is a parameter of the tempalte
[09:02:29] <marvxxx>	or make it red or something
[09:02:37] <marvxxx>	yes thats what i meant
[09:02:57] <Hojjat>	then you need to learn to program a template with {{#if:
[09:03:01] <Hojjat>	I'll paste some links
[09:03:02] <marvxxx>	i write in the infobox like "normal user" "administrator"
[09:04:12] <Hojjat>	marvxxx, for advanced templates: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_templates
[09:04:36] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: thank you...i just found something like this in the german help pages in wikipedia but the examples wasnt the best
[09:05:06] <Hojjat>	marvxxx you can also paste the code of your template to http://rafb.net/paste and let me have a look at it
[09:06:05] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: http://rafb.net/p/9gB4HJ48.html
[09:06:13] <moonlight>	has some an idea!? image upload worked before...and i don't know it doesn't work now...does a kind of checklist exist with pssoblie errors°?° or has anybody an idea...what i did was to make the data folder non writable...i made it writable again but nothing happends still a blank page... :-(
[09:06:51] *Hojjat 	has no idea about moonlight's problem
[09:06:54] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: and something like if benutzer=Administrator then '[[Image:Warning.png|50px]]Administrator'
[09:07:26] <Hojjat>	marvxxx: Working on ti..
[09:08:47] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: thank you
[09:08:51] <Hojjat>	marvxxx: try this : http://rafb.net/p/rALWaA26.html
[09:09:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improvement for function wfTempDir() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12138 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (stopavto-bugzilla)
[09:10:33] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: i will try it out and tell you...thank you so much already :)
[09:10:43] <Hojjat>	marvxxx no prob :)
[09:11:58] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: it looks like there is a problem in it
[09:12:18] <Hojjat>	marvxxx, I didn't test that. I'll do it in a minute
[09:14:07] *Hojjat 	is doing lots of things togeather
[09:16:02] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: no problem i will try some things too
[09:16:06] <CIA-30>	03rotem * r27922 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[09:19:25] <Hojjat>	marvxxx I tested this and it works smoothly: http://rafb.net/p/JLojMH17.html
[09:19:44] <Hojjat>	marvxxx, also read this one: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#.23ifeq:
[09:20:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improvement for function wfTempDir() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12138  +comment (10stopavto-bugzilla)
[09:23:20] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: for me it doesnt work at all
[09:23:49] <marvxxx>	no matter who benutzer is...it makes the graphic and it puts some extra }}s behind everything
[09:23:52] <Hojjat>	marvxxx: Using {{#ifeq: is only possible when you have ParserFunctions installed
[09:24:04] <Hojjat>	give me a link to the template page in private
[09:24:22] <Hojjat>	yeah, that shows you don't have ParserFunctions installed
[09:24:25] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: its not a public wiki
[09:24:30] <Hojjat>	It is an extension, which should be installed to tthe wiki
[09:24:48] <Hojjat>	Do you have access to the wiki server?
[09:26:27] <marvxxx>	yes i do
[09:27:08] <Hojjat>	Then try to install this on your wiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[09:27:25] <Hojjat>	Better link: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[09:27:53] <Hojjat>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#Installation
[09:28:01] <marvxxx>	thats i wanted to ask for
[09:30:31] <Hojjat>	)
[09:30:33] <Hojjat>	:)
[09:31:16] <marvxxx>	Hojjat: thank you it works
[09:39:11] <Caldrin>	Hi!
[09:50:24] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27923 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (27 files): Update files headers
[10:00:12] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27924 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (20 files): Use {{ns:project}} for messages grouppage-* as in MessagesEn.php
[10:20:59] <dc2447>	 Do I have to use an old version of mediawiki to get it working with php4?
[10:26:10] <flyingparchment>	1.6.x
[10:26:42] <flyingparchment>	1.6 is rapidly approaching EOSL, as is PHP 4. you might want to uprgade to PHP 5
[10:29:31] <flyingparchment>	(actually, you definitely want to upgrade to php5 ASAP)
[10:30:50] <CIA-30>	03huji * r27925 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding translation for newly added messages.
[10:35:13] <dc2447>	Upgrading to PHP5 will happen - just need a short term fix for getting mediawiki working on php4
[10:35:33] <dc2447>	our install is 1.8 so I guess I am in trouble
[10:37:36] <flyingparchment>	yes
[10:55:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update for Cantonese language (yue) #62, Update for Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese languages (och/ltc) , Update for Chinese localisation (zho series) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12137  +comment (10shinjiman)
[11:07:43] <moonlight>	what did i do wrong if my wiki shows me a blank page when i want to upload a picture and seamonkey error console is also blank!?
[11:09:57] <Duesentrieb>	!blankpage | moonlight
[11:09:57] <mwbot>	moonlight: A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error
[11:10:08] <Duesentrieb>	!error | moonlight
[11:10:08] <mwbot>	moonlight: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[11:10:34] <moonlight>	thx i'll try that
[11:13:08] <moonlight>	the page is still blank no error shown :-(
[11:17:22] <Duesentrieb>	moonlight: check the logs then
[11:17:25] <Duesentrieb>	gotta run, afk
[11:38:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit form eats heading CRs on save/preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:40:42] <moonlight>	MimeMagic::detectMimeType: no magic mime detector found!--> does anybody know what this means!?
[11:56:32] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27926 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (10 files): 
[11:56:32] <CIA-30>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[11:56:32] <CIA-30>	* an, ca, crh-cyrl, crh-latn, eo, io, kaa, oc, sdc, stq
[12:01:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please, may we use square brackets in JSON callbacks? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12136  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:01:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please, may we use square brackets in JSON callbacks? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12136  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:12:49] <QuiMEr>	hola a todos
[12:13:04] <QuiMEr>	hello
[12:13:18] <QuiMEr>	i?ve a dude
[12:15:05] <dungodung>	hola
[12:15:11] <dungodung>	:(
[12:15:49] <Duesentrieb>	irc, for the impatient she is not.
[12:21:20] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27927 10/trunk/extensions/ (10 files in 9 dirs): 
[12:21:20] <CIA-30>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[12:21:20] <CIA-30>	* Fixes and additions to 9 extensions for fi, hr, kaa, pt, stq
[12:29:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Message transformation leaves strip markers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12056  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[12:35:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message transformation leaves strip markers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12056  (10bertrand.grondin)
[12:56:47] <CIA-30>	03raymond * r27928 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[12:56:47] <CIA-30>	* Make one message of SpecialInterwiki optional
[12:56:47] <CIA-30>	* Remove translations which are identical to en:
[12:56:47] <CIA-30>	* Update German
[13:25:44] <Manticore>	does anyone know a way around this? - I can't see special:contribs of a user who has + in their username
[13:34:50] <mboman>	Is there a good site with collection of available MediWiki skins on (with screenshot)?
[13:35:24] <setuid>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles
[13:37:35] <Duesentrieb>	that's outdated and messy
[13:37:45] <Duesentrieb>	actually, there are a lot of people asking for such a site
[13:37:49] <Duesentrieb>	oneome could get rich making one
[13:38:04] *setuid 	ponders that...
[13:39:10] <Duesentrieb>	pimpmywiki.org
[13:39:18] <marvxxx>	haha cool url
[13:40:07] <Duesentrieb>	go for it, then :)
[13:41:08] <marvxxx>	i thought its already there ;-)
[13:42:34] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, Got a sec? 
[13:42:44] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, Any idea what is causing this? http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Goguryeo#References
[13:44:31] <Duesentrieb>	gotty run, sry
[13:44:32] <Duesentrieb>	bbl
[13:49:17] <windy>	Hello! In our wiki the thumbnails are not refreshed when an image is changed. This is not a browser-cache-problem. Does anyone know how to fix it?
[13:49:27] <setuid>	rebuild them 
[13:49:36] <windy>	How?
[13:58:05] <marvxxx>	windy: interesting question..i wonder how too
[13:58:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change the template used for new created sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12139 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (robin_1273)
[14:04:46] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27929 10/trunk/extensions/ (10 files in 10 dirs): 
[14:04:46] <CIA-30>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[14:04:46] <CIA-30>	* Fixes and additions to 10 extensions for ar, fr, hr, pt
[14:05:15] <CIA-30>	03raymond * r27930 10/trunk/extensions/ (SpecialForm/SpecialForm.i18n.php Translate/MessageGroups.php): 
[14:05:15] <CIA-30>	* Mark one message from SpecialForm as ignore
[14:05:15] <CIA-30>	* Remove translated but identical message from other language
[14:05:15] <CIA-30>	* Add to be ignored message to Translate
[14:20:55] <CIA-30>	03nikerabbit * r27931 10/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageHe.php: * One variable I forgot to convert
[14:27:13] <CIA-30>	03nikerabbit * r27932 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialPreferences.php: E_STRICT: Use $wgParser as we have it around instead of calling statically
[14:28:32] <CIA-30>	03tlaqua * r27933 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Changing version check for wfLoadExtensionMessages() from 1.12alpha to 1.11.
[14:39:49] <setuid>	grantf_x, any idea why that's happening? (noticed you hit the link above) 
[14:48:50] <tlhiv_work>	is it possible to include a SVG graphic without having mediawiki rasterize it?
[14:50:18] <setuid>	Sure, send it as text/plain 
[14:50:22] <Digitally-Born>	is there anyway to get user pages to show up on Special:Popularpages ?
[14:52:06] <tlhiv_work>	setuid: i'm not sure what you mean
[14:52:28] <tlhiv_work>	i want it to be rendered as an SVG in the page
[14:53:08] <tlhiv_work>	i can upload a SVG fine, but mediawiki rasterizes it to display it
[14:54:10] <TimLaqua_away>	Digitally-Born: add the user namespace to $wgContentNamespaces
[14:55:00] <TimStarling>	tlhiv_work: we're waiting for better client support before we implement such a thing
[14:55:03] <Duesentrieb>	tlhiv_work: embedded svg is not supported atm, though ther emight be an extension for this.
[14:55:16] <TimStarling>	you could probably use an external image link
[14:55:21] <Duesentrieb>	it might become a simple option in future, once embedded svg is supported more widely
[14:55:39] <Duesentrieb>	i seem to recall someone hacked mediawiki into supporting this... donÄt remember who though
[14:56:22] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling: external image links to .svg work?...
[14:56:33] <TimStarling>	I don't know, presumably you could make them work
[14:56:42] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[14:56:48] <TimStarling>	as far as extensions, well there's a right way and a wrong way
[14:56:59] <Duesentrieb>	tlhiv_work: you can also try to use one of the "embed anything" extensions, like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Player
[14:57:11] <Duesentrieb>	(this is the wrong way)
[14:57:15] <TimStarling>	it'd be easy enough to write a replacement media handler for image/svg+xml
[14:57:29] <Duesentrieb>	yea, that would be nice.
[14:59:54] <marvxxx>	is it possible to add a licence again after i choosed none while the installationprocess?
[15:03:50] <Pathoschild>	What do the 'suppressredirect' and 'mergehistory' rights do?
[15:05:23] <mboman>	marvxxx, yes
[15:05:38] <marvxxx>	mboman: where?
[15:05:41] <mboman>	marvxxx, you need to modify LocalSettings.php
[15:05:50] <mboman>	marvxxx, it's pretty well documented
[15:06:22] <SPQRobin>	Pathoschild: 'mergehistory' is for the new Special:MergeHistory (to merge a history off course). But I don't know what 'suppressredirect' is for.
[15:06:30] <marvxxx>	mboman: thank you i will check it out
[15:06:58] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, Any ideas why I'm getting that {{{inventor}}} stuff in my output? 
[15:07:09] <Pathoschild>	SPQRobin: Is Special:MergeHistory ready in a revision-to-be-live, or is it a planned feature?
[15:07:10] <setuid>	{{{inventor}}}, {{{country-code}}}, and some others
[15:07:56] <SPQRobin>	Pathoschild: it is ready, but the right is commented out in DefaultSettings.php, so not yet available on WMF wikis
[15:08:09] <thepattern>	how do i make it interpret the page as html?
[15:08:31] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: output of what?
[15:08:56] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Goguryeo#References
[15:08:59] <setuid>	That output , for example
[15:09:00] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: note that if you use {{{foo}}} in your template, but don't define the parameter foo when using it, the reult will be {{{foo}}} literally
[15:09:30] <setuid>	This is the import of the enwiki dump data into a clean db... untouched 
[15:09:42] <setuid>	The only thing I touched, was the skin (to remove css and other elements) 
[15:09:48] <Pathoschild>	SPQRobin: Thanks.
[15:09:48] <Duesentrieb>	without looking at the source, i have no idea#
[15:09:49] <CIA-30>	03nikerabbit * r27934 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: * Optimization in Title::isAlwaysKnown
[15:10:05] <SPQRobin>	Pathoschild: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=27823
[15:10:34] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, The source of what? The page? 
[15:10:40] <Pathoschild>	SPQRobin: Yep, I just found that. I'm trying to figure out what 'suppressredirect' is for now. :)
[15:10:56] <setuid>	This: 
[15:10:57] <setuid>	*{{citation|last=Lee|first=Wha|year=Unknown Year|title=Forgotten Glory of Koguryo|url= http://www.kimsoft.com/KOREA/kogu.htm|publisher=Kimsoft.com}} 
[15:11:00] <setuid>	Renders as: 
[15:11:07] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: yes, looking at it now. but better ask someone who knows about the template system used on enwp. i don't. i don't edit there often.
[15:11:07] <setuid>	    *  {{{inventor}}}, "Forgotten Glory of Koguryo", {{{country-code}}} {{{patent-number}}}
[15:11:17] <setuid>	Who might that be? Who knows these templates? 
[15:12:10] <Duesentrieb>	ask in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en
[15:12:17] <Duesentrieb>	look at who wrote the template
[15:12:20] <Duesentrieb>	http://65.172.152.98/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/index.php/Template:Citation?action=edit
[15:12:24] <Duesentrieb>	this looks a bit intimidating
[15:12:31] <setuid>	Yep ;) 
[15:12:49] <Pathoschild>	Judging from < http://cia.vc/stats/author/catrope?s_message=0 >, 'suppressredirect' seems to allow moving a page without creating an automatic redirect.
[15:13:22] <setuid>	I'll copy the contents of Template:Citation from en.wikipedia.org into mine and see what happens
[15:13:28] <setuid>	Do I have to re-gen the templates each time I do that? 
[15:13:35] <setuid>	Because that takes about 20 hours on this fast machine
[15:14:12] <Duesentrieb>	hm? re-gen? what?
[15:14:23] <Duesentrieb>	you can edit your wiki like any other, right?
[15:14:41] <setuid>	When I edit a template, that template doesn't become "live" until I re-generate templatelinks, and that takes f-o-r-e-v-e-r
[15:14:43] <Duesentrieb>	though you'll get a huge job queue when editing {{citeation}} :)
[15:14:55] <Duesentrieb>	uh, templatelinks shouldn't be the problem
[15:15:02] <Duesentrieb>	you need to rerender all pages that use it
[15:15:12] <setuid>	Ah, ok... so how do I do that? 
[15:15:19] <setuid>	Doesn't requesting the page do that for me? 
[15:15:21] <setuid>	I don't cache any pages
[15:15:22] <Duesentrieb>	(rebuilding template links probably does that as a sideeffect)
[15:15:34] <Duesentrieb>	if you purge all caches, then, yes
[15:15:52] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: there should also be a script for "run everything in teh job queue, now"
[15:16:00] <Duesentrieb>	which will be faster than rebuilding *everything*
[15:16:09] <Duesentrieb>	it will then just rebuild all pages that contain {{citation}}
[15:16:16] <Duesentrieb>	which is, oh, like, 50%
[15:16:21] <setuid>	There's an issue with everything in ./maintenance/ right now, in that it is hard-coded for a database called 'mediawiki', and tables without table prefixes. 
[15:16:46] <setuid>	I've committed myself to patching, fixing and submitting said fixes, but not until I figure out all of this template madness
[15:16:47] <Duesentrieb>	everything? unlikely
[15:17:00] <setuid>	All scripts in ./maintenance/ that touch data in the db, yes. 
[15:17:01] <Duesentrieb>	that would mean updates would be impossible for almost everyone
[15:17:06] <Duesentrieb>	rebuilding links is part of updating
[15:17:34] <Duesentrieb>	somne scripts might be hardcoded that way
[15:17:38] <setuid>	Right, so refreshLinks.{php|inc} for example, and its associated commandLine.inc scripts and includes, have to all be fixed
[15:17:41] <Duesentrieb>	i'm pretty sure most are not.
[15:17:58] <setuid>	Likewise for a good bulk of other scripts int here
[15:18:01] <Duesentrieb>	that sounds... unlikely.
[15:18:03] <Duesentrieb>	very
[15:18:18] <setuid>	I'm reasonably sure my install is not unique, but it doesn't work without hard-coding table prefixes and other things into the scripts
[15:18:27] <setuid>	I went through this the other night with Simetrical and a few others
[15:18:52] <Duesentrieb>	well, it would mean maintenance scriptsare working for no one, really.
[15:19:05] <setuid>	Or they use the defaults 
[15:19:33] <setuid>	For example, I had to set: $wgDBprefix  = "ep_en_";
[15:19:45] <setuid>	In refreshLinks.inc, for each db I mirror (56 of them) 
[15:19:57] <setuid>	ep_en, ep_it, ep_es, ep_pt, and so on. 
[15:20:12] <setuid>	Otherwise the maintenance to refresh those links, would fail immediatley
[15:20:18] <whiles>	hi all, excuse me, wikipedia has a class called "wikitable" to make tables looks better: how can i add this class to my mediawiki? i didn't find anything in the main and the shared css file..
[15:20:48] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: well... if you have a multi-site instal,l, you have to use some trickery to make it work for each wiki. 
[15:20:51] *setuid 	wishes there was wiki_untable, to remove tables from the output... 
[15:20:59] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, I have it working flawlessly
[15:21:09] <Pathoschild>	whiles: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[15:21:11] <Duesentrieb>	whiles: edit MediaWiki:common.css (the page!)
[15:21:12] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, Except that ./maintenance/ is hard-coded NOT to read LocalSettings.php for each wiki
[15:21:24] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: err. it can't.
[15:21:30] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: that'S why --config exists.
[15:21:39] <setuid>	It has to, otherwise nothing works
[15:21:42] <Pathoschild>	whiles: Er, common.css, not monobook.css.
[15:21:54] <setuid>	There is no --config option to any of the scripts in maintenance that I've found
[15:22:16] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: there's only one LocalSettings.php. it decides which settings to us based on the http request. when oincluding it from the command line, this can't work, because tehre is no http request.
[15:22:40] <setuid>	There's one LocalSettings.php _per wiki_, yes. 
[15:23:01] <setuid>	Right now, that means: 
[15:23:03] <setuid>	# find . -name LocalSettings.php | wc -l
[15:23:03] <setuid>	28
[15:23:34] <setuid>	I'm doing 9 languages across 3 projects for this specific effort
[15:23:34] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: the option is called --conf (sorry), and it works for *all* command line tools (although it's probably not documented for most). It'S implemented by commandLine.inc, so it's always supported. it determines which LocalSettings.php is used.
[15:24:10] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: and i don't know about your setup, but the normal multi-domain setup only has one LocalSettings.php
[15:24:13] <setuid>	I had to set $wgDBprefix and run it as: 
[15:24:14] <Digitally-Born>	How can I add links to the bottom of the edit page like WP has?
[15:24:15] <setuid>	php maintenance/refreshLinks.php conf /var/www/sites/mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/LocalSettings.php
[15:24:23] <Duesentrieb>	which then delegates to the individual config files
[15:24:48] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Use $separatorTransformTable in convertPlural - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11730  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[15:24:51] <Duesentrieb>	you would set the dbPrefix in the LocalSettings file...
[15:24:53] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, That can't be possible, because one LocalSettings.php can't possibly handle 28, 30, 56 separate wikis, projects and languages. 
[15:24:58] <setuid>	EXACTLY
[15:25:12] <setuid>	Each language has it's own table prefixes, as does each project
[15:25:17] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: hm? sure it can. it's just an entry point. it's a php script. it just includes the bits for each project as needed.
[15:25:25] <Duesentrieb>	this is how wikimedia works
[15:25:28] <whiles>	thank you  very much !
[15:25:37] <setuid>	Well, then at some point, I need to create a per-wiki config file that LocalSettings.php reads in. 
[15:25:45] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[15:25:50] <setuid>	Which is the just as laborous as having a per-wiki LocalSettings.php file
[15:25:57] <Duesentrieb>	not quite
[15:26:09] <Duesentrieb>	you only have to maintain extension setup & config, etc, once
[15:26:13] <setuid>	How is it any different? Same number of per-wiki files, same amount of per-wiki data in those files, etc. 
[15:26:29] <Duesentrieb>	well, you would have *only* per wiki data in the per-wiki files
[15:26:31] <setuid>	Oh, then yes, I have that aleady 
[15:26:33] <Duesentrieb>	but anyway, it doesn't matter
[15:26:45] <setuid>	$wgDBprefix         = "$vhost_uri[4]_$vhost_uri[3]_";
[15:26:52] <setuid>	That's how I'm doing it in LocalSettings.php
[15:26:55] <Duesentrieb>	if you use --conf to set the right localsettings file when calling the maintenance script, it *should* work
[15:26:58] <Duesentrieb>	at least for most of them
[15:27:01] <Duesentrieb>	some may be broken
[15:27:29] <Duesentrieb>	well, yes - this type of magic can't work from the command line.
[15:27:44] <Duesentrieb>	unless you invent a way to set $vhost_uri from the command line
[15:28:09] <Duesentrieb>	which you can, by looking at the $options array in your localsettings.php
[15:28:21] <Duesentrieb>	(which contains the optiosn comming from the command line)
[15:28:38] <setuid>	In my multi-wiki database (986 tables), everything in the tree is a symlink, except specific, per-wiki files, of which there are only a very small handful
[15:28:48] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[15:28:58] <Duesentrieb>	symlinks should not be needed at all
[15:29:03] <Duesentrieb>	you can run it all from the same directory.
[15:29:07] <setuid>	I do 
[15:29:18] <Duesentrieb>	without links
[15:29:18] <setuid>	With symlinks to each wiki's subdir within that tree
[15:29:20] <Duesentrieb>	directly
[15:29:26] <setuid>	I found this _from_ the mediawiki page describing how to do this 
[15:29:42] <Duesentrieb>	it describes several ways. 
[15:29:52] <Duesentrieb>	symblinks are for people who are scared of php
[15:29:57] <Duesentrieb>	it's possible
[15:30:09] <setuid>	If I can run 56 separate wikis from _one_ database, using per-wiki table prefixes, per-wiki configs, _without_ symlinking them to their own tree, I'd love to hear it. 
[15:30:17] <Duesentrieb>	but more painfull than doing a bit of magic including in localsettings.php
[15:30:21] <whiles>	where is the list of the pages aviables from the namespace Mediawiki: ?
[15:30:21] <Duesentrieb>	especially if you have a lot of wikis
[15:30:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) sep11 wiki yet listed on "Wiki does not exist" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140 minor; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (dereckson)
[15:30:38] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, I'm not afraid of php, but I am afraid of overly complex, fragile solutions
[15:31:02] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: symlinking is overly complex and fragile. so is replicating 80% of your config for each wiki.
[15:31:11] <setuid>	That's right
[15:31:17] <setuid>	So if there's an easier way, point me to it ;) 
[15:31:37] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: teh solution is simple: have one installation. in your localsettings.php, decide which wiki you want to access (based on $options, or the vhost, respectively).
[15:31:48] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: using that info, include a file with the settings for that wiki.
[15:31:50] <Duesentrieb>	done.#
[15:32:34] <setuid>	Here's my tree: http://65.172.152.98/multiwiki.tree
[15:33:05] <whiles>	i would insert a table of symbols and special chars in the "edit" page, how can i do... i think is another page in the Mediawiki: namespace, right?
[15:33:05] <setuid>	per-language, then per-project... so de/{mq|ep|dp} (for Wikiquote, Wikipedia, Wiktionary) 
[15:33:09] <Duesentrieb>	i would call that overly complex and fragile
[15:33:22] <Duesentrieb>	there's no need to have all those directories
[15:33:22] <setuid>	I agree it is, but it is how it was described about 2 years ago when I started this 
[15:33:34] <Duesentrieb>	you got the wrong description, then
[15:33:39] <setuid>	haahah
[15:34:07] <Duesentrieb>	remember, the instructions are written by random people from the wide net :)
[15:34:52] <setuid>	Ok, so I do have a pristine tree at the top-level, where trunk of phase-3 is rooted. From there, I create subdirectories, which then symlink back to the proper places in the "main" tree of source. 
[15:35:13] <setuid>	You're suggesting I do what? Just dump all of those and go with one main root tree of source, and per-wiki configs within that directory? 
[15:35:51] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[15:35:54] <setuid>	Let me move ./mediawiki/wikis out of the way and try that
[15:35:58] <Duesentrieb>	read the (more or less) official documentation:
[15:35:59] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikifarm
[15:35:59] <setuid>	This should be interesting
[15:36:53] <setuid>	There you go, Scenario 3 is what I followed
[15:37:11] <setuid>	Well, most of it anyway, my version is much cleaner than described there
[15:37:23] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: the "Quick set-up" thing is what you want - though i'd recommend to keep *most* settings in the main file, and only have per-wiki stuff in the per-wiki files. also, be carefull about the auto-purge code - you would need that to be in each file, if you want auto-purge to work.
[15:37:40] <setuid>	I don't purge anything
[15:37:44] <setuid>	There are no edits in this wiki
[15:38:07] <Duesentrieb>	but you want config changes to take effect
[15:38:12] <Duesentrieb>	so you need to purge after changin them
[15:38:22] <setuid>	purge what? 
[15:38:25] <Duesentrieb>	the cache
[15:38:31] <Duesentrieb>	parser cache, page cache, all that
[15:38:34] <setuid>	I'm doing a full dump and reload at each re-gen of the output content
[15:38:49] <setuid>	I truncate the tables and re-import all of the data from scratch 
[15:38:57] <setuid>	Takes ~1 hour
[15:39:01] <Duesentrieb>	after every config change?
[15:39:06] <setuid>	no no ;) 
[15:39:15] <setuid>	I don't change the configs
[15:39:24] <Duesentrieb>	well, you do now :)
[15:39:43] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, as i said: most stuff in the main LocalSettings.
[15:39:51] <Duesentrieb>	decide what to include, then include per-wiki stuff
[15:39:58] <Duesentrieb>	have fun, i need to go back to coding :=
[15:39:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sep11 wiki yet listed on "Wiki does not exist" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140   +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:44:01] <setuid>	Yeah, this is going to be a huge problem
[15:44:23] <setuid>	I'm going to need  a bunch of mod_rewrite rules in here and lots of URI trickery to get this to work 
[15:45:42] <Duesentrieb>	just point all vhosts to the same directory.
[15:45:54] <setuid>	There's no way to switch against them then
[15:46:05] <Duesentrieb>	sure. look at the host header.
[15:46:07] <setuid>	Because there is no vhost/callingurl/uri that differs
[15:46:15] <setuid>	There _are no vhosts_ 
[15:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) sep11 wiki yet listed on "Wiki does not exist" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12140  (10dereckson)
[15:46:24] <Duesentrieb>	$_SERVER['HOST'] 
[15:46:38] <setuid>	Which will always be 10.0.1.4
[15:46:56] <Duesentrieb>	then we are not talking about vhosts...
[15:47:03] <setuid>	Right, because there are no vhosts
[15:47:12] <setuid>	No domains point to this instance, no vhosts point to this instance. 
[15:47:14] <Duesentrieb>	so you are switching by path?
[15:47:15] <setuid>	And never will. 
[15:47:20] <setuid>	I was, previously, yes. 
[15:47:20] <Duesentrieb>	then you would indeed need rewrite rules
[15:47:33] <setuid>	Which is why I had: 
[15:47:34] <setuid>	$wgScriptPath       = "/mediawiki/wikis/$vhost_uri[3]/$vhost_uri[4]";
[15:48:10] <Duesentrieb>	you can still do all that. the path would just be handeled by a rewrite.
[15:48:18] <Duesentrieb>	i think even a single rule could catch all.
[15:48:21] <setuid>	That gets very tricky
[15:48:34] <Duesentrieb>	*shrug*
[15:48:36] <Digitally-Born>	is there anyway to get user pages to show up on Special:Popularpages, popular pages, recent changes, etc?
[15:48:38] <setuid>	Because /foo/bar is not handled the same by Apache as /foo/bar/, and I've run into that trap before
[15:48:42] <Duesentrieb>	a lot less tricky imho than maintaining all the links and configs
[15:48:47] <Duesentrieb>	but do whatever floats your boat
[15:50:36] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: that problem is covered even by the default set of 3 rules for a single wiki. for your multiple wikis, you don't need more rules. just make one that catches all the pathes. 
[15:51:25] <setuid>	Testing things now
[15:51:55] <setuid>	I'm unclear how to pull that into LocalSettings.php though, in a way I can split and reuse for $wgDBprefix, $wgScriptPath and $wgSitename
[15:52:17] <setuid>	I'll figure it out
[15:54:53] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: request uri, iirc
[15:55:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change the template used for new created sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12139  (10robin_1273)
[15:55:09] <setuid>	urldecode($_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'])
[15:55:11] <setuid>	Or something, sure
[16:01:42] <thepattern>	how do i make it interpret the page as html?
[16:06:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix namespace names in the Hungarian localization - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11488  +comment (10siebrand)
[16:07:58] <CIA-30>	03fredck * r27935 10/trunk/extensions/FCKeditor/plugins/mediawiki/fckplugin.js: Fixed an incompatibility with IE6 in the plugin code (http://dev.fckeditor.net/ticket/1586).
[16:08:09] <locke_>	how do i get the "Edit" link to appear on the right side on the headings in my own template?
[16:10:06] <Sundance_Raphael>	moin
[16:24:31] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27936 10/trunk/extensions/SpamDiffTool/ (SpamDiffTool.i18n.php SpamDiffTool.php): 
[16:24:31] <CIA-30>	Make shorter message spamdifftool_confirm
[16:24:31] <CIA-30>	Submitted by: SPQRobin
[16:26:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message transformation leaves strip markers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12056  major->04BLOCKER; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:37:30] <Jboucher>	I have a questoin if someone can please help me, I have a fresh install of MediaWiki 1.11.0 useing a fresh install of apache with php 5.2.4, When i try to log into my wiki i get "wiki uses cookies to lg in users, you have cookies disabeled"  But I am about to log into the same installation on a different server??
[16:38:07] <Jboucher>	My Internet Explorer is set to accept ALL Cookies
[16:39:21] <Versusray>	Jboucher: use firefox *scnr*
[16:39:45] <Jboucher>	well its for a company of about 1200 users and they all use internet explorer
[16:39:56] <Versusray>	Jboucher: ok
[16:39:59] <Jboucher>	i know its not the browser, i have basically the same setup on another server and it works
[16:40:23] <TimLaqua>	basically, but not exactly, eh?
[16:40:25] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[16:40:28] <tlhiv_laptop>	how can i get a "block of text" like with <pre>...</pre> but without pre
[16:40:38] <tlhiv_laptop>	i.e., i don't want my text inside the block to be verbose
[16:40:46] <tlhiv_laptop>	i.e., i want it to have links, etc.
[16:40:49] <setuid>	Then you don't want pre
[16:40:54] <tlhiv_laptop>	right ;)
[16:40:58] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop:  space on the first line
[16:40:59] <setuid>	Use <tt> 
[16:41:01] <setuid>	or <code> 
[16:41:22] <Jboucher>	TimLaqua well i have the same exact version of linux / mysql / php the only difference is the domain and IP
[16:41:23] <tlhiv_laptop>	TimLaqua: what do you mean?
[16:41:23] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: it'll still supress wrapping, but it WILL interpret wikitext.
[16:41:38] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: just have a single blank space at the beginning of the line
[16:41:47] <tlhiv_laptop>	ok
[16:41:53] <tlhiv_laptop>	and how do i "close" the block
[16:42:15] <tlhiv_laptop>	the block will contain an unordered list
[16:42:16] <TimLaqua>	it closes when it finds a line that does NOT have a space at the beginning
[16:42:40] <tlhiv_laptop>	ok ... so don't indent ;)
[16:43:11] <TimLaqua>	ya, if you indent using space, you'll notice that your text all gets thrown in to a PRE block
[16:44:22] <minute>	Blue_Ice: Is it the same version of MediaWiki?
[16:44:40] <minute>	*Jboucher
[16:44:49] <tlhiv_laptop>	TimLaqua: so i'm not sure how i would enclose a <ul><li> ... </li></ul> in one of these boxes ... can i not have <ul> and <li> on different lines?
[16:45:09] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: one sec...
[16:45:46] <Jboucher>	can anyone help me with my problem?
[16:47:17] <joshua__>	Jboucher: do you get the same problem using another browser, other than IE?
[16:47:20] <Jboucher>	yes
[16:47:29] <Jboucher>	tried firefox
[16:47:46] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: umm... good question...
[16:48:00] <joshua__>	is there a proxy or something between your computer and the server?
[16:48:23] <Jboucher>	NO proxy,   server is on the same internal network as my pc
[16:48:36] <Jboucher>	my ip 10.10.24.30  server 10.10.24.87
[16:48:46] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: what exactly are you trying to do?  you want a box of text with Courier New font?]
[16:48:53] <tlhiv_laptop>	no
[16:48:57] <tlhiv_laptop>	i want a box of text
[16:49:03] <TimLaqua>	ok, just the box.
[16:49:05] <TimLaqua>	indented?
[16:49:05] <tlhiv_laptop>	and in that text i want to put anything
[16:49:17] <TimLaqua>	ah
[16:49:19] <tlhiv_laptop>	in particular, an unordered list
[16:49:46] <Jboucher>	Joshua__: Actually i just tried it with firefox again and it worked
[16:49:55] <jlerner>	but still  not IE?
[16:49:58] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Tim_Laqua/preList
[16:50:01] <jlerner>	maybe restart IE?
[16:50:14] <Jboucher>	Any computer useing IE does it
[16:50:21] <tlhiv_laptop>	TimLaqua: cheater ;)
[16:50:26] <TimLaqua>	never!
[16:50:32] <tlhiv_laptop>	i want it to have the same style as a pre
[16:50:44] <TimLaqua>	hmm...
[16:50:52] <tlhiv_laptop>	i don't mind using a <div> as long as i can style it like a pre
[16:51:55] <Jboucher>	i just treid it on a fresh computer that never accessed the Wiki, and i get the same cookie error
[16:52:23] <Jboucher>	i tried setting IE to accept ALL cookies.. and same thing doesn't work
[16:52:59] <Jboucher>	can i just disable the usage of cookies? or is it def needed for th wiki to work?
[16:53:27] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: u have a problem w/ mimicing PRE in MediaWiki:Common.css
[16:53:29] <TimLaqua>	?
[16:53:35] <jlerner>	Jboucher: i think it needs the cookies to work
[16:53:42] <Jboucher>	ok
[16:53:47] <jlerner>	can you view your set cookies in IE?
[16:54:07] <jlerner>	is the server setting any cookies on your browser?
[16:54:14] <Jboucher>	I goto the privicay tab and ALL COOKIES are accepted
[16:54:20] <jlerner>	right
[16:54:22] <Jboucher>	jlerner hw do i see that
[16:54:24] <jlerner>	i mean, look at the set cookies
[16:54:26] <jlerner>	i don't use IE
[16:54:31] <jlerner>	it must be in there though
[16:54:53] <jlerner>	Jboucher: http://kb.iu.edu/data/ajfh.html
[16:55:18] <TimLaqua>	tlhiv_laptop: http://www.pastey.net/78186
[16:55:32] <Jboucher>	doesn't work
[16:56:32] <tlhiv_laptop>	TimLaqua: ok ... thanx
[16:56:35] <tlhiv_laptop>	gotta run ... meeting
[16:56:45] <Jboucher>	I don' think it has anything to do with my internet explorer settings
[16:56:54] <Jboucher>	because I can access any other wiki no problem
[16:57:02] <jlerner>	i'm not talking about settings
[16:57:12] <jlerner>	i'm asking if the cookie is getting set, despite the message you are getting
[16:57:16] <jlerner>	view all your cookies
[16:57:18] <jlerner>	what's in there?
[16:57:50] <Jboucher>	there are tons of picture files and .js files and stuff in there
[16:58:16] <jlerner>	in your list of cookies?
[16:58:28] <Jboucher>	it doesn't show alist of cookies.. just a list of temp internet files
[16:58:48] <Jboucher>	i can't view just the cookies
[16:59:38] <jlerner>	are any set for the server in question?
[16:59:44] <dachary>	Hi, how can I do something like [/foo.html link] ? If I write that it does not show as a link.
[17:00:48] <Jboucher>	I see all kinds of files from the server but no cookie files
[17:01:20] <jlerner>	so basically, you can login using firefox, but not IE
[17:01:26] <jlerner>	what version of IE, not that it could matter
[17:01:31] <Jboucher>	6
[17:02:57] <Jboucher>	but like i said I highly doubt its the internet explorer, because i set up a wiki somewhere else and it works perfectally find
[17:03:15] <Jboucher>	and I can log into any other wiki.. but when i try to access this new wiki, it says the cookie error
[17:03:19] <jlerner>	if you can login to this server in firefox, but not IE, it sounds like an IE problem
[17:03:23] <Jboucher>	so i donno if its something with PHP that i can check
[17:03:27] <Jboucher>	its NOT IE
[17:03:34] <Jboucher>	because it works for EVERY OTHER wiki i try
[17:03:38] <jlerner>	how could it not be, if it works fine in firefox?
[17:03:50] <Jboucher>	because it works for EVERY wiki i have built except this one
[17:04:05] <Jboucher>	so im thinking its soething with the apache / php that might not be set right
[17:04:13] <jlerner>	unlikely
[17:04:24] <jlerner>	if you really want to debug it, put a proxy between you and the server
[17:04:28] <jlerner>	so you can see what's getting passed
[17:04:34] <jlerner>	see if the server is trying to set that cookie
[17:04:36] <jlerner>	i'm sure it is
[17:04:46] <Jboucher>	i can't put a proxy.. 
[17:04:48] <Jboucher>	its a secure network
[17:04:58] <jlerner>	install it on your own computer
[17:05:01] <Jboucher>	but IE works for all wikis i built
[17:05:11] <jlerner>	i believe you
[17:05:25] <Jboucher>	i even took the SAME exact fils / database from my other wiki and installed it on this one.. and same error
[17:05:46] <jlerner>	try installing from scratch
[17:06:03] <Jboucher>	i did
[17:06:06] <Jboucher>	thts what i originally did
[17:06:36] <Jboucher>	thats why im saying its got to be something with the apache / php
[17:07:34] <jlerner>	can you login with opera, or some other browser?
[17:08:35] <Jboucher>	ITS NOT THE BROWSER
[17:08:38] <Jboucher>	i know that for sure
[17:09:26] <Jboucher>	becaue the browser lets me to go all my other wiki's
[17:09:48] <jlerner>	i'm sure it does
[17:10:04] <jlerner>	but if works with all browsers but IE, what does that tell you
[17:10:12] <jlerner>	i would try a couple other browsers
[17:10:18] <Jboucher>	i tried firefox and it works
[17:10:28] <Jboucher>	but tell me why i can access all my other wiki's but not this one.. from IE
[17:10:32] <Jboucher>	only differences IS THE SERVER
[17:10:54] <TimLaqua>	could be a different zone
[17:11:05] <TimLaqua>	(on, yes, your browser)
[17:11:47] <TimLaqua>	ff doesn't do zones, it likes everyone
[17:15:42] <TimLaqua>	must've been zones.  ;-)
[17:15:52] <jlerner>	i think that server just didn't like IE
[17:16:00] <TimLaqua>	flawless logic.
[17:16:40] <Jboucher>	flawless logic?
[17:16:41] <Jboucher>	ha
[17:16:52] <Jboucher>	different zone?
[17:17:08] <TimLaqua>	ya
[17:20:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow blocked users to edit their talk page on Hebrew Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12141 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (reumil)
[17:22:36] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, Well, I've met my match, I don't think this is physically possible with mod_rewrite
[17:23:43] <TimLaqua>	everything's possible with mod_rewrite!
[17:23:51] <setuid>	Except this 
[17:24:06] <setuid>	I can't rewrite what does not exist 
[17:24:16] <TimLaqua>	true enough
[17:24:23] <setuid>	I don't think anyone has done this with mediawiki
[17:24:34] <TimLaqua>	done what?
[17:24:42] <setuid>	I have 56 separate wikis running inside one database, all from one single source tree. 
[17:24:55] <setuid>	This works, because I had to symlink the main source dirs into subdirs for each wiki and language
[17:25:03] <setuid>	Duesentrieb asserts that I can do this without symlinks
[17:25:11] <TimLaqua>	ah
[17:25:20] <setuid>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikifarm#Scenario_2:_Quick_set-up
[17:25:34] <setuid>	I'm attempting that, but it assumes publically-exposed domain names and virtual hosts
[17:25:46] <TimLaqua>	I like your symlinks plan.
[17:26:00] <setuid>	That works, and has worked for 2 years for me
[17:26:10] <setuid>	Looks like this: 
[17:26:11] <setuid>	http://65.172.152.98/multiwiki.tree
[17:26:20] <TimLaqua>	pretty
[17:27:41] <setuid>	So then I have: 
[17:27:42] <setuid>	$vhost_uri = explode('/', $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']);
[17:27:55] <setuid>	Which gives me $vhost_uri[3] and $vhost_uri[4] which I use as: 
[17:28:07] <setuid>	$wgSitename         = "{$project_names[$vhost_uri[4]]} [$vhost_uri[3]]";
[17:28:14] <setuid>	$wgScriptPath       = "/mediawiki/wikis/$vhost_uri[3]/$vhost_uri[4]";
[17:28:15] <setuid>	and so on 
[17:28:19] <TimLaqua>	ya
[17:28:25] <setuid>	And this works, but doesn't scale well 
[17:30:12] <setuid>	So what I'm attempting, is to rewrite /mediawiki/wikis/en/ep/ so that explode() can get the right bits, and switch to the right wiki's config file, and work functionally the same
[17:31:03] <setuid>	But /wikis/en/ep/ won't exist in this paradigm
[17:39:50] <TimLaqua>	ya, it'd need those tokens *somewhere* in the url or unique tokens (which would make scaling, again, difficult)
[17:49:24] <klapzin>	hi there
[17:49:34] <klapzin>	how i make one user admin of my wiki 
[17:49:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	Special:Userrights
[17:49:49] <klapzin>	Thanks!
[17:50:02] <klapzin>	Jack_Phoenix, do you know a list off these commands ?
[17:50:35] <Brandon>	quick question. I know there's a <blockquote> tag is there a tag that doesn't wrap?
[17:50:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	erm, Special:Userrights is a special page, not a "command" :)
[17:50:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	but http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents has some useful info
[17:51:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	you might wanna have a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights too
[17:53:12] <Manticore>	Jack_Phoenix, blah
[17:53:22] <Manticore>	klapzin: use [[Special:Makesysop]] to make someone an admin or 'crat
[17:53:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	NO
[17:53:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	makesysop is a freaking EXTENSION
[17:53:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's not available in the core!
[17:53:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	you n00b
[17:53:47] <klapzin>	i prefer use the core :P
[17:54:25] <Brandon>	So is there a non wrapping tag like quote box?
[17:54:27] <Manticore>	rofl, I'm in the wrong channel
[17:54:30] <Brandon>	maybe a code box?
[17:54:30] <Nikerabbit>	Jack_Phoenix: behave
[17:54:35] <Manticore>	I thought this was a #wikia question
[17:54:42] *Manticore 	hides
[17:54:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	Nikerabbit, Manticore's a friend of mine, I wasn't misbehaving in any way ;-)
[17:55:04] <Manticore>	Nikerabbit: don't listen to him! He's always bullying me!
[17:55:43] <klapzin>	lol
[17:55:49] <Nikerabbit>	Jack_Phoenix: bully somewhere else, people might draw conclusions on that
[17:55:49] <klapzin>	Thanks Guys!
[17:58:16] <Nikerabbit>	you could have fun instead, maybe other people would cheer up a little too
[17:59:41] <Brandon>	hmm are code tags native in mediawiki?
[18:00:32] <Brandon>	I'm just using mediawiki for documentation since that's what we decided to use, and my code tags that I'd use in other wiki's are acting differently on this wiki
[18:18:08] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[18:22:17] <setuid>	woof
[18:33:47] <OneSeventeen>	how do I revert to a previous version of a page in Media Wiki?)
[18:34:43] <ialex>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Reverting
[18:35:43] <OneSeventeen>	ialex: thanks!
[18:41:35] <CIA-30>	03nikerabbit * r27937 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslationChanges.php: * Committing changes, work-in-progress
[18:46:42] <jm^>	Hello! How do I mark a page as being a "stub"?
[18:48:25] <Platonides>	put the stub template on it
[18:48:54] <ialex>	but create it before if you don't have it
[18:49:06] <jm^>	stub template, eh? Hmm
[18:49:57] <ialex>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Stub
[18:50:56] <jm^>	Thanks!
[19:00:38] <qse>	hello i'm logged in as admin, ... when going to http://10.10.10.10/mediawiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar I get "page does not exist", I'm trying to edit my sidebar, .... 
[19:01:08] <amidaniel>	It won't exist until you create it. If you edit it, you will see the default message preloaded.
[19:02:52] <qse>	hm, ... well it does exist I suppose because I have nagivation "main page, community portal, ..." on the left,..
[19:04:03] <ialex>	qse: if the page doesn't exists, the default message will be used, if you create the page, you'll override it
[19:08:31] <absss>	where is the page to edit the page "article not found" in mediawiki ?
[19:08:52] <absss>	i mean this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sdfklgsdasddgg
[19:09:18] <amidaniel>	qse: No, that's likely the default message, for which MediaWiki pages do not exist yet
[19:09:19] <jlerner>	absss: see [[Special:Allmessages]] for all that stuff
[19:09:44] <ialex>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Noarticletext
[19:10:38] <absss>	thanks everybody
[19:15:27] <absss>	is there a way to put html code only in special pages? i would the tag <script> but it don't accept it..
[19:18:04] <absss>	does anybody know it?
[19:18:46] <deekies>	Is there a way to easily move a mediawiki installation from one server + db to another?
[19:19:06] <thepattern>	how do i make it interpret the page as html?
[19:22:48] <absss>	thepattern: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Secure_HTML
[19:23:04] <absss>	i think it's good for you
[19:23:18] <thepattern>	absss: thank you
[19:24:57] <absss>	nothing
[19:32:48] <rza>	hello boys and girls
[19:33:20] <rza>	I would like to ask about the oracle support current state? Is it about the same as in 1.6.x or is something removed after that?
[19:34:19] <rza>	sorry, i meant "in the current stable 1.11.0" 
[19:34:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	wasn't oracle support killed totally in some point? not entirely sure though
[19:35:42] <rza>	yes, it seems there is an changelog entry that states the support was dropped
[19:35:51] <rza>	but i still see DatabaseOracle.php in svn
[19:36:15] <rza>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_11_0/phase3/includes/
[19:37:08] <absss>	why don't mediawiki apply the changes i made on LocalSettings.php ??!!
[19:37:11] <rza>	there has been a few commits in the last six months
[19:40:04] <test34_>	absss, cache?
[19:40:31] <test34_>	absss, try to add &action=purge at the end of the URL
[19:40:50] <absss>	it don't works anyway...
[19:41:59] <absss>	i wrote $wgRawHtml = true; but i am not allowed to insert raw html code..
[19:43:20] <absss>	why?
[19:49:02] <SPQRobin>	adsss: do you use the tag <html></html> ?
[19:49:10] <G_SabinoMullane>	rza: I'd call the current state "unsupported". It almost died a little while ago, but I think someone (river?) swooped in and made a few changes. You are more than welcome to help resurrect it of course. :)
[19:49:45] <absss>	ah XD
[19:49:49] <rza>	G_SabinoMullane: i am intereted in helping
[19:49:56] <absss>	sorry.. thank you SPQRobin
[19:50:02] <rza>	but i would need to know the current state, what is broken and so on
[19:50:20] <G_SabinoMullane>	rza: All I can suggest is trying it out on your local system and seeing what breaks.
[19:50:31] <G_SabinoMullane>	There are no specific bugs or roadmaps or notes or anything.
[19:50:42] <absss>	do you know how can i enable the execution of html code only in the MediaWiki namespace ?
[19:50:47] <rza>	well, first of all search was not implemented at all
[19:50:52] <qse>	how can I make things like the pink boxes and dotted surroundings you can see on http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Advanced_Mouse/Individual_Configurations#Logitech_MX600
[19:50:53] <rza>	all the special pages break
[19:52:03] <G_SabinoMullane>	rza: The problem is that few people want to use Oracle when 1) it's $$$ 2) it's a pain in the butt to admin and 3) there are two perfectly good free, easy-to-use databases available. :)
[19:54:36] <rza>	G_SabinoMullane: i would say that is quite true but still oracle support might be a key feature to some enterprises
[19:54:59] <rza>	and i would assume enterprise donate more easily which is good "for the cause"
[19:55:13] <rza>	enterprises*
[19:55:32] <G_SabinoMullane>	rza: Yes, the use case is for businesses that refuse to allow other DBs in. Not sure if donations really logically follow though.
[19:56:18] <G_SabinoMullane>	Anyway, patches are always welcome. There is a Oracle tracking bug you might post to and see if anyone is still working on it / interested in it.
[19:56:40] <Digitally-Born>	is there anyway to get User: pages to show up on Special:Popularpages, popular pages, recent changes, etc?
[19:57:01] <G_SabinoMullane>	rza: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652
[20:01:41] <rza>	G_SabinoMullane: thank you!
[20:44:34] <TimLaqua>	Digitally-Born: $wgContentNamespaces
[20:47:48] <TimLaqua>	Digitally-Born: in LocalSettings.php set: $wgContentNamespaces = array( NS_MAIN, NS_USER );
[20:48:22] <qse>	hi all, when I use this template http://gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Box_File&action=edit the content in it has no breaks,... it's all on 1 line,.. can anyone help me out with this ? thanks,..
[20:51:02] <TimLaqua>	qse: what do you mean?
[20:52:24] <qse>	Well when I use that template on my wiki, the colors, box and colors are all ok, but the content in it is all on one line
[20:52:36] <TimLaqua>	have an example url?
[20:52:52] <qse>	TimLaque: hmmm, it's on a priv lan,..
[20:53:21] <TimLaqua>	themplate looks like it works fine on gentoo-wiki
[20:53:36] <qse>	hmyeah it does, 
[20:53:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) search "Results 1-2 of 2" but only one - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12049  (10jidanni)
[20:54:59] <TimLaqua>	it's a pretty simple template.
[20:57:08] <qse>	if I edit the page, my text layout is ok, when I preview the page it's without tabs, breaks and so on
[20:57:41] <rza>	hmm
[20:57:53] <TimLaqua>	wiki throws away single breaks unless int's within a PRE
[20:58:00] <TimLaqua>	replace your breaks with <br />
[20:58:51] <qse>	Whew that means I can't cut and paste file content? that would be a tedious task not?
[20:58:59] <TimLaqua>	correct.
[20:59:16] <TimLaqua>	unless you put it inside <pre> file contents </pre>
[20:59:18] <rza>	G_SabinoMullane: seems like mostly special pages are broken with oracle
[20:59:28] <rza>	where can i submit patches?
[20:59:40] <setuid>	man, templatelinks takes forever to rebuild
[20:59:58] <TimLaqua>	good thing you're so patient.
[21:00:20] <Duesentrieb>	!bugzilla | rza
[21:00:20] <mwbot>	rza: All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[21:00:56] <rza>	Duesentrieb: thank you
[21:01:23] <qse>	TimLaqua: lifesaver that works cheers!
[21:01:53] <Duesentrieb>	qse: what kind of text are you pasing?
[21:02:08] <TimLaqua>	plain?  ;-)
[21:02:21] <Duesentrieb>	qse: <pre> is usually not really a good choice - <poem> and <source> are better (both are extensions though)
[21:02:29] <qse>	Duesentrieb: yep, just plain text, apache config files, ....
[21:03:17] <Duesentrieb>	qse: config files are not "plaion old text". they are more like source code. my point was: consider installing a syntax highliting extension and use that. much nicer
[21:03:20] <Duesentrieb>	!highlite
[21:03:25] <Duesentrieb>	!highlight
[21:03:25] <mwbot>	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[21:03:41] <Duesentrieb>	though i'm not sure gshi has support for apache config files
[21:04:00] <setuid>	Woo, I got my first Troll rating on /. today
[21:04:17] <setuid>	And I have an uber-low uid 
[21:04:31] <qse>	Duesentrieb: ok, always interesting, I'll have a look at it,.. heh it does support that
[21:04:33] <qse>	not bad
[21:05:04] <Duesentrieb>	generally, there are three cases for plain text: 1) it's really text, like from an email. in this case, be happy that mediawiki throws away the linebreaks. 2) it's source code. use <source> 3) it's a poem or such. use <poem>. 
[21:05:09] <Duesentrieb>	there should be no reason to use <pre>
[21:05:27] <TimLaqua>	i'd say you could use pre if it's like... preformatted text.
[21:05:30] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[21:05:38] <Duesentrieb>	use <poem>
[21:05:41] <Duesentrieb>	looks much nicer
[21:05:46] <setuid>	poem?!
[21:05:48] <TimLaqua>	but it's an extension
[21:05:49] <Skizzerz>	<pre> is less typing
[21:05:53] <setuid>	Is that in the w3c spec? 
[21:05:55] <Duesentrieb>	the only thing i would use <pre> for is maybe... ascii art
[21:06:00] <TimLaqua>	no, Duesentrieb likes extensions
[21:06:02] <benjy>	hi, i have what i think is a quick question.  is there a way to prevent users from deleting modifications to pages made by other users?
[21:06:07] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: no, a custom tag
[21:06:09] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, or code samples
[21:06:19] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: no. use <source> for that.
[21:06:23] <Skizzerz>	benjy: block them
[21:06:32] <TimLaqua>	I love geshi highlighting, but seriously, extensions are extensions.  not core functionality.
[21:06:34] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: also an extension, of course
[21:06:38] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, My fingers are used to typing standards-compliant tags ;) 
[21:06:50] <Duesentrieb>	setuid: but wikitext is not html :)
[21:06:50] <setuid>	But you can define those in xhtml, of course
[21:06:57] <Duesentrieb>	not xml
[21:06:59] <Duesentrieb>	wikitext
[21:07:02] <benjy>	Skizzerz: anything else?  what i was trying to do is allow all users to modify pages but not delete modifications other users have made - sort of a collaborative document editing type thing
[21:07:07] <setuid>	wikitext is barely human readable ;) 
[21:07:17] <Duesentrieb>	much more so than html
[21:07:24] <Skizzerz>	benjy: so, they can only ADD to pages, but not remove stuff from them?
[21:07:29] <Duesentrieb>	with the notable exception of complex template code
[21:07:32] <benjy>	Skizzerz: yeah, exactly
[21:07:48] <Skizzerz>	I don't think that's possible with mediawiki...
[21:07:54] <benjy>	ok, thank you
[21:08:08] <Duesentrieb>	benjy: that would be very tricky. unleyy the only thing you allow is *appending*. i.e. forum style. which sucks.
[21:08:17] <benjy>	Dusentrie: is that possible?
[21:08:36] <Duesentrieb>	not easily. and mediawiki would be the wrong choice. use some forum software.
[21:08:41] <carl-m>	On my local install of mediawiki, when I try to load or edit a page, the system seems to spend about 30 seconds rebuilding tex images from other articles. Is there a maintenance script to tell it to rebuild them all and be done with it? 
[21:09:09] <benjy>	ok, thank you
[21:09:23] <Duesentrieb>	carl-m: there should be a script that runs job queue entries. which, i guess, is what you are having problems with
[21:11:35] <carl-m>	Duesentrieb: I didn't realize that generating tex images was part of the job queue
[21:12:35] <Duesentrieb>	carl-m: reparsing pages is... which might, under some conditions, also (re)generate tex images
[21:12:51] <rza>	ok, looks like the oracle support is not a completely lost cause
[21:12:59] <carl-m>	Duesentrieb: it is the job queue, you're right, but the queue actions are all 'refreshLinks'
[21:13:04] <Duesentrieb>	carl-m: the job queue is what uses time to do "other stuff" when you view pages, though
[21:13:36] <Duesentrieb>	carl-m: yes: refresh links requires the page to be parsed. which triggers the rendering of tex images. this could be avoided i guess... but atm, it's all luped together.
[21:13:36] <carl-m>	Duesentrieb: I know about the job queue, but I didn't realize from [[m:Job queue]] that it might generate tex images 
[21:14:05] <Duesentrieb>	as i said: "regenerate links" means "do everything for that page"
[21:14:15] <Duesentrieb>	if the text image doesn't exist, or is outdated, it's generated
[21:14:22] <Duesentrieb>	it should not always regenerate all 
[21:14:40] <Duesentrieb>	"outdated" could mean "created before you last touched localsettings.php" though
[21:14:53] <Duesentrieb>	not sure how the caching for that suff is handeled.
[21:15:29] <carl-m>	Duesentrieb: I'll have to dig through the source for a while to figure out what's going on
[21:17:54] <Jiraffus>	is anybody here?
[21:18:24] <Pathoschild>	!ask | Jiraffus 
[21:18:24] <mwbot>	Jiraffus : Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[21:18:40] <Pathoschild>	:)
[21:20:58] <setuid>	sigh
[21:21:05] <setuid>	This thing is going to take forever
[21:21:56] <Jiraffus>	Sorry. I have a problem with using mediawiki and proxy. Description: I have a machine (cpu A) with installed apache and mediawiki and another machine (cpu B) with outer IP. On cpu B I have a proxy, that redirects all requests to port 8080 to cpu A. I can see apache pages in this way, but mediawiki doesn't work =( can anyone help me with this?
[21:25:57] <Sundance_Raphael>	cu all
[21:26:34] <setuid>	Jiraffus, What do your ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse directives look like? 
[21:27:19] <carambola>	I need help with parameter passing in templates...
[21:27:39] <carambola>	Let's say I'm writing a template called Employeebox (of the infobox variety)
[21:28:04] <carambola>	if someone has multiple roles, say wiki editor AND engineer, what's the best way to go about this?
[21:28:15] <carambola>	role1 = ... | role2 = ... ?
[21:28:33] <carambola>	role = * foo \n * bar ?
[21:28:59] <Jiraffus>	Unfortunately I can't say how do they look just now, but could you say how do they have to look?
[21:29:18] <setuid>	Nope
[21:29:43] <carl-m>	carambola: either, depends on whether you want to parse them some other way.  you can also do things like  developer=yes|sysop=yes
[21:31:12] <carambola>	carl-m: hrm. didn't think of it that way... that's even better because it limits the vocabulary
[21:31:31] <carambola>	(i'm using SemanticMediaWiki => limited vocab = good)
[21:31:56] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: if it's getting too complex for templates, write a parser function :o)
[21:32:00] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions
[21:32:00] <mwbot>	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for details on writing an extension and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[21:32:18] <carambola>	oh come now. I know all about extensions
[21:32:20] <carambola>	:)
[21:32:59] <Duesentrieb>	then make one :)
[21:33:26] <carambola>	bah, it's something i can do with standard syntax
[21:33:35] <carambola>	i just wanted advice on which method to use
[21:36:18] <setuid>	dangit
[21:42:27] <jlerner>	is there some obvious way to get all posted variables using $wgRequest?
[21:44:08] <jlerner>	getArray() ?
[21:44:10] <jlerner>	i guess i could try it
[21:44:23] <TimLaqua>	!webrequest
[21:44:23] <mwbot>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classWebRequest.html
[21:44:42] <jlerner>	yeah, i'm studying the source
[21:44:45] <jlerner>	i'll figure it out
[21:44:51] <Jiraffus>	setuid, thank you! your words directed me to the right way of search =)
[21:46:10] <setuid>	I should just plug my head into an irc bot, and let it answer questions for me, while I'm off doing other things in other windows
[21:46:56] <TimLaqua>	mwbot helps us come closer to that goal every day.  ;-)
[21:47:32] <jlerner>	the mwbot should reply to all variations of "is anyone here" from users that just joined the channel
[21:47:57] <TimLaqua>	ya, there have been many "make mwbot smarter" conversations.
[21:48:08] <TimLaqua>	but really, it's a cool tool.
[21:48:13] <jlerner>	very nice
[21:48:19] <TimLaqua>	even if we do have to help it along.  ;-)
[21:51:02] <setuid>	I wrote one back when we were at Linuxcare, and still use it today, 7 years later, on our developer irc network... does all manner of things. 
[21:51:10] <setuid>	Shuts up when it should, and speaks up only when spoken to 
[21:52:12] <Duesentrieb>	what's it called? "bitch"?
[21:52:24] <setuid>	pharaoh ;) 
[21:52:34] <setuid>	"bitch, get me that LDAP entry!" 
[21:52:39] <setuid>	"bitch, get me the weather!" 
[21:52:50] <setuid>	Thats's great
[21:53:26] <setuid>	But nah, it does google lookups, tinyurl conversions, ebay queries, ldap queries, definitions, spelling, weather, great-circle conversions, translations, math, all kinds of useful things
[21:54:10] <setuid>	On that note, I'm off to Panera... I'll report back with my success/failure with the latest dumps into my db
[21:55:26] <setuid>	Duesentrieb, http://code.plkr.org/encycloplucker/
[21:55:30] <setuid>	There's where I am so far
[21:55:41] <setuid>	http://code.plkr.org/encycloplucker/ScreenShot7.png
[21:55:43] <setuid>	For example... 
[21:55:46] <setuid>	So it's working nicely
[21:55:54] <setuid>	It's just _big_ 
[21:56:00] <setuid>	http://code.plkr.org/encycloplucker/ScreenShot9.png
[21:56:02] <setuid>	There's another
[21:57:55] <Duesentrieb>	http://code.plkr.org/encycloplucker/ScreenShot2.png
[21:58:01] <Duesentrieb>	that thing looks lice a pacifier
[21:58:32] <TimLaqua>	Duesentrieb: agreed
[22:06:13] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27938 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (9 files): 
[22:06:13] <CIA-30>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:06:13] <CIA-30>	* af, ca, crh-cyrl, crh-latn, ext, fr, kaa, nl, stq
[22:15:48] <CIA-30>	03siebrand * r27939 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 9 dirs): 
[22:15:48] <CIA-30>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:15:48] <CIA-30>	* Fixes and additions to 9 extensions for af, fr, hr, hsb, nl
[22:21:19] <ST47>	hey
[22:21:35] <ST47>	Fatal error: Unsupported operand types in /etc/mediawiki/includes/MessageCache.php on line 625
[22:21:59] <ST47>	I get that loading Special:Specialpages with Extension:CheckUser installed, latest svn
[22:23:26] <ST47>	though, it sort of looks like it's flaggedrev's fault
[22:23:35] <Duesentrieb>	ST47: latest svn what? mediawiki or extension?
[22:23:41] <ST47>	Duesentrieb: both
[22:23:44] <Duesentrieb>	ok then
[22:24:12] <Duesentrieb>	ST47: lots of people try to run latest svn version of an extension on 1.10 or something, and are surprised when it blows :P
[22:24:19] <ST47>	:)
[22:25:03] <ST47>	It looks like it doesn't like the + there, but I don't have the slightest idea what that line is trying to do
[22:25:36] <ST47>	I know that it works, but some messages are missing, when I force it to run the else block instead
[22:26:52] <Duesentrieb>	messagecache is black magic. no idea
[22:26:56] <ST47>	still fails at mediawiki r27000
[22:28:31] <ST47>	and with old versions of checkuser...
[22:29:19] <ST47>	but the instant I unload checkuser, it works
[22:29:48] <ST47>	hm
[22:30:07] <ST47>	it may be an interaction between checkuser and another one of these extensions
[22:30:07] <AlphaOmega>	how can i set permissions?  meaning, i want to be albe to add a document that no one else can edit but me (or a group or users)
[22:30:12] <AlphaOmega>	whats the best way to do that?
[22:30:20] <ST47>	AlphaOmega: can you just protect it?
[22:30:33] <AlphaOmega>	protect? i missed that in the FAQ
[22:31:07] <ST47>	If you're an admin, you can click the protect tab
[22:31:11] <ST47>	it locks the page
[22:31:25] <ST47>	Duesentrieb: it fails with Quiz + checkuser
[22:31:34] <AlphaOmega>	thanks
[22:31:43] <ST47>	AlphaOmega: sure
[22:33:20] <ST47>	and it works with updated quiz - issue resolved :)
[22:41:29] <AlphaOmega>	hey, 
[22:41:43] <AlphaOmega>	is there a mode i can run mediawiki in, where each user can only eidt their own documents?
[22:41:45] <AlphaOmega>	edit*
[22:42:05] <AlphaOmega>	whoever created the doc has sole edit permissions?
[22:42:52] <carambola>	sounds cms-ish
[22:43:11] <AlphaOmega>	yeah, not sure
[22:43:19] <AlphaOmega>	my boss is asking
[22:44:15] <Duesentrieb>	you can combine Lockdown and keepyourhandstoyourself
[22:44:22] <Duesentrieb>	that would give you something like that.
[22:44:35] <Duesentrieb>	but... why use a wiki at all?
[22:44:37] <Duesentrieb>	use a cms
[22:44:39] <Duesentrieb>	!cms
[22:44:39] <mwbot>	You are advised to install an appropriate content management package for per-page read restrictions. We will not be held responsible should a password or bank details be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job due to borked hacks. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions> if you really want too.
[22:44:45] <AlphaOmega>	Duesentrieb: thats what im thinking
[22:44:45] <Duesentrieb>	bah, the wording is off.
[22:47:22] <carambola>	there really needs to be a fork of mediawiki that allows the wiki-syntax but provides built-in security
[22:47:37] <carambola>	even if it's not technically a "wiki" anymore
[22:48:04] <carambola>	every intranet in the world could use something like that
[22:50:00] <Danny_B>	is there any known term of next scap?
[23:00:27] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: there are dozens of standalong wiki parser, and several wiki and cms engines tailored for an intranet scenario.
[23:00:37] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is simply thw wrong choice
[23:00:57] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is targeted at massive collaborative editing
[23:01:11] <carambola>	well, it's the most mature of what i've seen
[23:01:27] <Sevela_p>	Hi, I instaled MediaWiki, but I don't know, where I can set me like admin. Could you help me?
[23:01:36] <Skizzerz>	you should already be one
[23:01:51] <carambola>	anyway, we use it for organization and collaborative documentation
[23:02:22] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: well, i havn't used others so much, but there are several alternatives that don't look too bad. 
[23:03:20] <carambola>	the maturity of MW plus all of its extensions make it look very nice
[23:03:21] <Duesentrieb>	!compare
[23:03:21] <mwbot>	For a comparison of wiki software, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software> and <http://www.wikimatrix.org/>
[23:03:40] <carambola>	heh. thanks mwbot! you're the best!
[23:03:51] <Sevela_p>	where I can find password of admin
[23:04:02] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: confluence seems to work ok, an it's quite popular
[23:04:35] <MZMcBride>	carambola: also, the wikimedia foundation uses mediawiki for intranet; it's possible
[23:05:01] <MZMcBride>	but per-page security is insecure; their intranet is all or none
[23:05:20] <Duesentrieb>	MZMcBride: i'm not sure the wmf has an interanet in the regular sense
[23:05:22] <carambola>	we're a small shop of mostly engineers... 60-70 employees
[23:05:43] <Duesentrieb>	MZMcBride: also, you are talking about an audience with very high "wiki skill"
[23:05:56] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, sure it's possible
[23:05:57] <carambola>	we don't really need per-page security
[23:06:03] <Duesentrieb>	that doesn't mean its the best choice for everything
[23:06:14] <Duesentrieb>	for example, i use mediawiki for my personal website/blog
[23:06:24] <Duesentrieb>	it's the best choice for that for *me*, because i know how to hack it.
[23:06:28] <MZMcBride>	no, not at all; but locking down the whole site to keep out anonymous users is pretty trivial
[23:06:32] <Duesentrieb>	it would not generally recommend it for that purpose
[23:06:49] <MZMcBride>	very much agreed
[23:06:53] <Duesentrieb>	MZMcBride: but that's usually not what is required in a corporate intranet.
[23:06:55] <carambola>	also, there's no way i could get the bosses to spend money on a cms/wiki system
[23:07:18] <Duesentrieb>	most are free anyway
[23:07:30] <carambola>	not confluence :(
[23:07:53] <Duesentrieb>	right
[23:09:45] <carambola>	when the boss asks "is it stable software?", I just mention that it runs wikipedia :)
[23:10:47] <TimStarling>	it's not that stable, 1.11.0 apparently broke PostgreSQL support and MyISAM support
[23:11:06] <flyingparchment>	carambola: i don't know much about it, but you might look at Sun Portal Server.  it's more a sharepoint-type thing than a wiki, but maybe that's what you're looking for
[23:11:11] <flyingparchment>	(portal server is free to use)
[23:13:01] <TimStarling>	I guess it's stable as long as you use the same settings as wikipedia
[23:13:18] <carambola>	TimStarling: ssh!
[23:13:44] <carambola>	(as in the onomatopoeia, not the protocol)
[23:14:06] <flyingparchment>	oh, i see it's actually open source now too
[23:16:24] <carambola>	well, we've been lightly using mediawiki for a few months now. people seem to like it
[23:16:47] <carambola>	i'm now working on a dev copy to put all the bells and whistles on it
[23:16:55] <TimStarling>	unusual situation to be in
[23:17:04] <TimStarling>	beating off your users with a stick on your official forum
[23:18:05] <TimStarling>	well, like it or not folks, mediawiki is used behind the firewall, perhaps even more than the software that's actually designed for that role
[23:18:23] <TimStarling>	because I guess everything else sucks even more
[23:19:05] <Duesentrieb>	"we love your stuff, we want to use it, now, can you meake it work completely different?"
[23:20:03] <carambola>	if everyone was like me, we'd be fine with mediawiki as is
[23:20:32] <TimStarling>	grrr...
[23:20:32] <carambola>	unfortunately, we need to be somewhat "user friendly" and "idiot proof"
[23:21:24] <carambola>	heck, if i had it my way, we'd dump MS Word and just collaborate on MW
[23:21:27] <TimStarling>	grr not for you sorry, for this: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12056
[23:21:41] <carambola>	phew
[23:22:04] <TimStarling>	I can't reproduce it
[23:22:46] <Duesentrieb>	!bizzwiki | carambola
[23:22:46] <mwbot>	carambola: a suite of mediawiki patches/extensions that is intended to make MediaWiki more suitable for use in a corporate environment. See <http://www.bizzwiki.org/> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BizzWiki>
[23:23:02] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: i don't vouche for that stuff though. i just know it exists.
[23:23:36] <carambola>	yeah, i looked at it as i started my dev copy
[23:24:05] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: anyway, the best way to make a wiki user friendly & idiot proof is a munch of skilled and friendly admins with a bunch of time.
[23:24:22] <carambola>	agreed.
[23:24:42] <carambola>	i, however, am the only admin and i work 40 hours + 6 credits of grad school :(
[23:24:47] <TimStarling>	Duesentrieb: I don't suppose you've got a test wiki running HEAD handy?
[23:24:58] <Platonides>	buy an slave to type everything in the format the user wants ;)
[23:25:04] <carambola>	and i don't even really have time allocated to work on the wiki
[23:25:04] <Duesentrieb>	TimStarling: not online
[23:25:09] <TimStarling>	or Platonides?
[23:26:15] <Platonides>	nope TimStarling, sorry
[23:27:24] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: make more admins then :)
[23:27:53] <carambola>	bah, we're all mechanical engineers. i just happen to like to code as a hobby
[23:29:44] <phrontist>	anyone know how I can search edits by time span?
[23:29:52] <Skizzerz>	do you have DPL?
[23:29:57] <phrontist>	what is DPL?
[23:30:00] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: a wiki admin does not have to know anything about coding. most wikipedia admins don't, for one thing.
[23:30:06] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[23:30:09] <Duesentrieb>	oh?
[23:30:21] <Skizzerz>	it's not defined =/
[23:30:30] <phrontist>	googled it... dynamicpagelist
[23:30:37] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[23:30:37] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList
[23:30:42] <Duesentrieb>	now it is :)
[23:31:04] <carambola>	i suppose. i'll just have to wait until february when things die down here a little
[23:31:18] <Duesentrieb>	carambola: they never do, really.
[23:31:41] <carambola>	let me live in my utopia, please
[23:38:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message transformation leaves strip markers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12056  (10tstarling)
[23:39:11] <Skizzerz>	TimStarling: maybe it's sheer amount of extensions related xD
[23:39:44] <Skizzerz>	oh, and who's working on that rev_deleted bitfield thing?
[23:41:21] <phrontist>	hmmm... I don't think DLP will do quite what I want
[23:41:41] <Skizzerz>	it will, but it just takes a bit of coaxing inside the tag
[23:42:05] <phrontist>	well, yes and no
[23:42:17] <phrontist>	I need it to be dynamic by CGI params
[23:42:43] <phrontist>	I want to be able to link like http://foo.org/wiki/time/3242134324+3241564324
[23:42:48] <Skizzerz>	ah, then I don't think there's an already-existing extension for that
[23:43:34] <phrontist>	well, I know perl and SQL very well, where should I look for docs related to writing such an extension?
[23:44:02] <phrontist>	or... now that I think about it, maybe it will be easier to just write an external perl app that culls from the wiki db
[23:44:06] <Skizzerz>	you'd have to code in php more likely
[23:44:20] <phrontist>	why? isn't everything in the DB?
[23:44:39] <Skizzerz>	it is
[23:45:22] <phrontist>	fun, fun, fun... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Mediawiki-database-schema.png :-)
[23:47:16] <plb>	does anyone know if there is at least an old "All pages with complete page edit history" dump available somewhere
[23:47:26] <phrontist>	of wikipedia?
[23:47:36] <plb>	sorry.. yes of wikipedia in English
[23:47:48] <TimStarling>	phrontist: it's not too hard to work out the schema if you have compression disabled
[23:48:13] <phrontist>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Where_do_I_get...
[23:48:29] <phrontist>	TimStarling: yeah, looks pretty straightforward
[23:48:52] <phrontist>	I'm actually impressed... most sites of wikipedia's scale tend to have much more labyrinthian backends
[23:49:26] <TimStarling>	on wikipedia, old_text is just a URL pointing to a more complex backend storage system
[23:49:44] <TimStarling>	but the rest of the core DB is the same as any other mediawiki installation
[23:51:07] <plb>	phrontist: that links points me to the download.wikimedia.org/enwiki archive which only has the most recent dump which failed on the full revision version
[23:51:36] <plb>	I was hoping someone knew of a mirror that had a full revision dump even if it was out of date
[23:51:43] <phrontist>	I think pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 is what you want
[23:51:46] <phrontist>	I could be wrong
[23:52:08] <plb>	 phrontist: it is.. but it failed on the last dump
[23:52:22] <phrontist>	ah
[23:53:48] <plb>	does anyone know if the rsync for the cur_table.sql.bz2 still exists?
[23:57:38] <TimStarling>	no, it doesn't
[23:57:47] <TimStarling>	it wouldn't do you much good since the cur table hasn't been written to for years
[23:58:00] <TimStarling>	I think it's been gutted on most of the wikis