[12:28:21] VasilievVV: But it still doesn't work right then:S it only shows me the code partially [12:28:26] Hello [12:28:41] VasilievVV: http://www.3dee.nl/wiki/index.php/SysMsg [12:28:42] Some other Ideas why my http://www.trampolinwiki.de/mediawiki is always changed to http://kreth.mine.nu/mediawiki (what is my dyndns) [12:29:03] !repeat [12:29:03] Please do not repeat yourself too often, if little conversation has occurred since your last message then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You stand a chance of annoying people if you repeat yourself. [12:29:07] Please have a look at my localsettings: http://nopaste.de/p/aYk5FQxnP [12:29:21] and my debug report: http://nopaste.de/p/aEk5Zoj7j [12:29:33] !newlines [12:29:37] darned¬_¬ [12:29:43] !enters [12:29:48] aargh¬_¬ [12:30:29] anyway.. somebody knows somebody else to my problem?? i just really need to show code in another place: http://www.3dee.nl/wiki/index.php/SysMsg It only misses 2 lines.. the one above and below [12:30:46] K-41: ok [12:30:53] I think i fexed it [12:31:16] VasilievVV: Yeah, great!! how did you do that? [12:31:30] look at the code [12:31:56] ooh, the spaces!! [12:32:02] yep [12:32:06] great!! Thnx!!! [12:39:09] Anyone? [12:45:35] 03siebrand * r28014 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (6 files): [12:45:35] * Add i18n file (Submitted by Bertrand Grondin) [12:45:35] * Fix indentation and remove trailing whitespace [12:46:18] umm [12:46:29] what does == and != mean with arrays? [12:47:07] not sure [12:47:26] I know that with one of the languages, == only compares sizes, but I think that might be perl [12:48:08] 03(mod) Wikimedia should migrate to new user rights assignment scheme - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 (10robin_1273) [12:48:47] Werdna: count() feels more natural to me [12:49:44] 03siebrand * r28015 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for SpamRegex [12:51:17] count() does not detect infinite recursion. [12:51:19] har har har [12:52:07] one would think it would be *a lot* easier to implement recursion detector in the code than in php itself [12:59:47] 03nikerabbit * r28016 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialTranslationChanges.php Translate.i18n.php): * Some polishing to translationchanges [13:06:13] 03(NEW) RSS Feed for Special:Contributions for a particular user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12171 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (harryboyles) [13:08:46] whoa [13:08:50] Holy cow [13:21:14] hello there i just installed media wiki, now i want to generate RSS feeds from my wiki pages so i found this: [13:21:19] http://rss-extensions.org/wiki/Main_Page [13:21:32] what extension should i use?! [13:34:37] or is there RSS support by default in a fresh install?! [13:37:15] 03vasilievvv * r28017 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): * Introduce action=parse to API. It deprecates action=render which will be removed once (perhaps before 1.12 release). New action returns full parser output instead of returning just rendering text [13:38:33] you can't remove action=render [13:38:46] it's used for interwiki operations, across versions of MW [13:39:14] Tim-away: why not? action=parse contains functions of action=render [13:40:27] The only reason not to remove API's action=render is backward compatibility [13:41:05] right, backwards compatibility [13:41:51] But action=render wasn't in any stable branches AFAIR, so we still can remove it [13:42:10] oh right, api?action=render [13:42:19] not index.php?action=render [13:42:24] yep [13:50:03] 03vasilievvv * r28018 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParse.php: Fix a bug with pages without interwiki/etc. [14:02:27] Hi. How to add html code to mediawiki? I want to add Google Video into my page [14:09:24] 03(mod) Erratic total failure of unstrip phase in new preprocessor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12154 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [14:12:56] 03shinjiman * r28019 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [14:12:56] * Update Chinese translations [14:12:56] * Update Cantonese translations [14:12:56] * Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations [14:17:00] hello, i recently have asked how to hide page name - Main Page lt.wikipedia.org, and was suggested to use the first scirpt in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css and to paste it to lt.wikipedia.org in the same page, but it did not work, where is the problem? http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css [14:17:00] That's in Common.js [14:17:00] * gattonero (n=gattoner@151.83.17.232) has joined #wikimedia [14:17:00] * Bdk[a] (n=bdk@wikipedia/bdka) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [14:17:01] Main Page layout fixes?? [14:17:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#How_do_you_remove_the_title_of_the_Main_Page.3F [14:17:05] it also suggests monobook.css [14:20:38] Oh wow, people are talking.. [14:21:41] I'm curious about something, and maybe I missed this when I was looking over the manual and faq, but can you use php tags when editing a page? [14:23:12] nhunt: try it [14:24:02] I did. It just redisplays the php tags and everything in it. [14:24:19] I thought maybe I might have to reconfigure something somewhere or something. [14:25:33] nhunt: I wouldn't [14:25:43] Good. Because I really don't want to. [14:26:00] I only ask because I want to put a news section up on the main page, and I'm using cutenews... [14:27:51] 03nikerabbit * r28020 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRecentchanges.php: * Introduced a bug with spaces [14:29:44] Nothing, huh? [14:30:44] meow [14:31:10] 03(NEW) Set logo for Russian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12172 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (vp99) [14:31:33] say there's page foo on w: and it's last version was manually copied to b: to the same page named foo. so both current versions are same but one has history one not. now, can i import foo from w: to b: and what will happen? [14:32:22] I pity da foo [14:32:39] Hello [14:32:54] 03siebrand * r28021 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (22 files): [14:32:54] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [14:32:54] * an, ar, arc, ast, be, ca, crh-cyrl, crh-latn, cs, es, fr, io, is, kaa, kn, myv, nl, no, pt, qu, stq, tl [14:33:10] 03catrope * r28022 10/branches/apiedit/phase3/includes/ (Article.php SpecialUndelete.php): apiedit: Removing begin/commit stuff that doesn't belong in SpecialUndelete.php [14:45:10] 03siebrand * r28023 10/trunk/extensions/ (19 files in 19 dirs): [14:45:10] Localisation updates from Betawiki. [14:45:10] * Fixes and additions to 19 extensions for an, ar, arc, es, fr, hr, myv, nl, pt [14:52:09] zaliavos1: Ah... [14:56:18] what? [15:05:15] 03nikerabbit * r28024 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesQu.php: * small cleanup [15:05:55] byez! [15:07:34] 03(FIXED) ZH lonelypagestext like deadendpagestext; also variants bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11947 +comment (10shinjiman) [15:09:09] 03catrope * r28025 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php): [15:09:09] API: [15:09:09] * Adding rollback tokens to prop=revisions [15:09:09] * Fixing bug that broke prop=revisions multipage mode [15:09:09] * Adding some comments on diff formatters [15:10:03] Tim-away do you have access to the live servers? [15:12:56] 03(mod) Set logo for Russian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12172 +shell (10shinjiman) [15:13:42] 03catrope * r28026 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Making this actually work. I feel so stupid. [15:14:07] Tim-away: PING [15:36:17] 03(FIXED) checkLanguage.php does not find unexisting messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11113 +comment (10lejonel) [15:42:39] how can i list all articles which are on my mediawiki? [15:42:55] i want only show the articles not the changes.. [15:42:56] bango go to Special:Allpages [16:06:18] A manual for install localy the wikipedia dump? [16:06:32] hat contain pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 514.8 MB? [16:06:37] *what [16:07:24] libertad probably an XML dump of the pages currently at the Meta wiki [16:07:39] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [16:08:01] RoanKattouw: I need xml2sql? [16:08:20] libertad no [16:08:29] You can import and XML dump through the wiki interface [16:08:33] RoanKattouw: them? [16:08:39] *an [16:08:56] Go to the Special:Import page and upload the XML dump [16:09:32] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Xml2sql ? [16:09:59] ok [16:10:09] RoanKattouw: and the file like images? [16:10:26] libertad oh, didn't know about XML2SQL, you can use that as well [16:10:36] Probably better, since Special:Import doesn't like large dumps [16:10:44] libertad they're at commons.wikimedia.org [16:11:02] use mwdumper [16:11:47] libertad have you seen http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps ? [16:12:30] yes [16:12:43] http://download.wikimedia.org/eswiki/20071024/ [16:13:01] http://xml2sql.sourceforge.net/ [16:13:50] libertad you might want to use mediawiki's xml2sql: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Xml2sql [16:13:56] @search dump [16:13:56] Results: [import, mwdumper] [16:14:01] !mwdumper [16:14:01] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwdumper [16:14:06] !import [16:14:06] To import pages into your wiki, export them using Special:Export (see !export). Then, navigate to Special:Import on the target wiki and select the dump file. You can also import pages directly from another wiki (see !importsources). For mass imports, use the dumpBackup.php and importDump.php scripts (or mwdumper). NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors! [16:14:18] !importsources [16:14:18] For information on configuring interwiki page imports, please refer to [16:14:41] ok [16:14:52] !dump is For information on how to get dumps from Wikimedia Wikis, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps [16:14:52] Keyword "dump" already exists. Use "!dump del" to remove it. [16:14:57] !dumps alias dump [16:14:57] Successfully added alias: dumps [16:15:01] ? [16:15:02] !dump [16:15:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [16:15:17] !backup [16:15:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [16:15:24] !dump del [16:15:24] Successfully removed keyword: dump [16:15:28] !dump is For information on how to get dumps from Wikimedia Wikis, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps [16:15:28] Successfully added keyword: dump [16:15:31] ok thacks [16:15:34] !backup [16:15:34] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [16:15:38] libertad no problem [16:15:39] RoanKattouw: #mwbot. ;-) [16:15:42] Sorry for the mwbot stuff [16:15:46] Yeah, thanks TimLaqua [16:16:56] TimLaqua do you have access to the live servers? [16:17:04] negative [16:17:10] :( [16:17:21] why? [16:17:29] I found a bug in the API and fixed it, but it hasn't been fixed in live yet [16:17:34] ah. [16:17:37] !scap [16:17:37] Sync-Common-All-PHP - this is when SVN changes are synchronised to the application servers. For further information, see [16:17:39] ;-) [16:17:44] It disables prop=revisions multipage mode [16:17:54] The fix is removing one '!' character [16:18:05] ya, i hate it when I catch bugs *after* scap. [16:18:24] This is even worse [16:18:29] I *introduced* the bug myself [16:18:38] ya, that's usually how it goes. ;-) [16:19:01] 1.11 got branched with a piece of code that I was really not happy w/. [16:20:00] Oh and TimStarling fixed a major parser bug in r28004 [16:20:14] the UNIQ voodoo? [16:20:15] cool. [16:20:17] Yup [16:22:55] So when you see someone with shell access, please ask them to apply r28004 and to change !$difftoprev to $difftoprev in includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php line 55 [16:23:24] !seen brion [16:23:35] !seen TimStarling [16:24:09] Use /seenserv seen username [16:26:14] VasilievVV: ty. [16:28:10] RoanKattouw: your api fix as 28026, right? [16:28:13] RoanKattouw: I have Windows SO [16:28:32] TimLaqua 025 and 026 [16:28:39] 026 fixes a regression in 025 [16:28:49] libertad why does that matter? [16:29:13] But 025 also introduces a lot of new stuff which isn't urgent [16:29:48] RoanKattouw: forget it [17:04:26] 03vasilievvv * r28027 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): API: add meta=allmessages [17:06:12] How do you restrict edits to registered users only [17:06:25] 03vasilievvv * r28028 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AutoLoader.php: Forgot to commit AutoLoader changes. [17:06:51] [[Manual:Restricting access [17:06:53] [[Manual:Restricting access]] [17:07:44] On mediawiki.org? [17:07:47] !preventingaccess | JordanC [17:07:47] JordanC: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [17:16:47] Hi, is possible to use directly images from commons on my wiki wiithout upload? [17:19:11] hmhmhm [17:28:37] hooray you get mirrored too: http://www.irseek.com/result.php?keywords=mediawiki [17:28:47] incredible [17:37:20] 03vasilievvv * r28029 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Use *bold* and $italics$ highlighting only in API help. It completely breaks formatting on meta=allmessages and no one needs it [17:46:37] 03(NEW) Photo redirect to commons - close - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12173 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (ice201) [17:49:01] 03vasilievvv * r28030 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Remove invalid example from ApiQueryRevisions [17:53:54] 03catrope * r28031 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRevisions.php: Revert r28030: the example is valid. The fact that it doesn't work on Wikipedia is a bug that has been fixed on trunk already. [17:55:42] hey, can i set a counter on my mainpage, which counts the articles for example there should stand on this mediawiki are 10 articles? [17:55:58] !magic [17:55:58] For more information about magic words, see . [17:57:33] Tim-away: PING [17:58:02] ? [17:58:57] !magic | bango [17:58:57] bango: For more information about magic words, see . [17:59:20] bango: See the Statistics section [18:00:26] ah okay thanks :) [18:01:57] where must i add this? [18:02:03] on my mainpage oder localsettings? [18:03:11] bango MainPage [18:26:26] hi, i created a skin, i modified the appropriate files, and it's not working [18:26:31] what could i potentially be doing wrong [18:26:58] before you answer [18:27:00] i am going to try something [18:31:08] is there any way to transclude a template automatically for every article? [18:31:25] i.e., without including {{templateoneverycard}} on the page [18:32:07] i would say putting the template transclusion in a mediawiki-namespace page [18:32:10] but that may not work [18:32:36] aha [18:32:38] checking [18:33:05] Messedrocker: in response to your question, almost anything could be going wrong [18:33:16] can you be more specific about the problem [18:33:56] yes, but first i still have some ideas [18:38:10] so basically there's this CSS skin for the Firefox plugin Stylish [18:38:13] for use on Wikipedia [18:38:16] called "GreyLady" [18:40:15] anyways, i want to use it for my own wiki, so in my own mediawiki setup i created a duplicate of MonoBook, and I named it GreyLady [18:40:28] i made the necessary edits to the configuration files per Meta [18:40:53] and then I put in the CSS for GreyLady through a MediaWiki page, since the CSS file was originally intended to be used with MonoBook: [18:41:32] http://propup.org/wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Greylady.css [18:42:48] ok [18:46:00] it looks like the "mediawiki namespace" page just holds how the ui renders references to that namespace [18:47:30] well i know that to mod your monobook you have to go to MediaWiki:Monobook.css or the equivalent in your user space and put in code [18:47:41] so GreyLady is basically a giant mod [18:47:57] Messedrocker: with you so far [18:48:25] "with you so far"? [18:48:38] i understand what you're saying [18:48:41] what's the question [18:48:47] well why isn't it working [18:48:53] define working [18:49:17] the MediaWiki:Greylady.css changes aren't kicking in? [18:49:19] well greylady is the default skin, and the website is supposed to look totally different [18:49:21] yes [18:49:24] they aren't kicking in [18:49:56] did you change the skin in your prefs? [18:50:01] and/or reset your cache? [18:50:59] yes, greylady is the default skin and i have it set to that [18:51:04] and i reset my cache [18:55:13] i'm going to try doing it in mediawiki [18:55:14] er [18:55:17] in monobook [18:57:09] nope, doesn't work in monobook either [19:00:01] Messedrocker try http://www.yourwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=greylady [19:00:19] And try Shift+Refresh button [19:01:45] !skins | MesseDrocker [19:01:45] MesseDrocker: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [19:04:53] MesseDrocker can you check that the skin shows up in Special:Preferences ? [19:05:16] 03huji * r28032 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Left alignment gives a better look to the Reason box. [19:06:07] i fixed it [19:06:10] it had to do with the code [19:07:02] the code was more suitable for a firefox plugin than a standalone CSS file, however i fixed that [19:07:05] thank you for humoring me [19:19:03] 03(NEW) Update hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12174 minor; low; MediaWiki: Documentation; (alex.emsenhuber) [19:19:56] 03(mod) Update hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12174 (10alex.emsenhuber) [19:30:40] 03(mod) Update hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12174 +need-review (10minuteelectron) [19:31:55] 03(NEW) the page can be edited by anyone... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12175 15enhancement; normal; Wiktionary tools: General; (moghrani) [19:35:17] 14(INVALID) the page can be edited by anyone... - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12175 +comment (10minuteelectron) [19:35:35] Hi, I tried twice to publish a Problem on mwusers.com. But it was not published. What can be reasons for that? [19:41:35] 03(NEW) The edit url for the first section edits the wrong section . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (zavpublic) [19:43:11] hmm [19:45:36] bug 12176 = confused user who doesn't realize there's an edit tab [19:46:08] not exactly, the lack of an edit section link for the first section has come up a lot [19:46:43] quick question [19:46:47] yeah, unless there's a decent place to put it.... [19:46:49] what color does mediawiki use for internal links [19:46:55] blue [19:46:59] what shade of blue [19:47:05] lavender [19:47:14] as in hexadecimal number [19:47:31] 3366C0 i think [19:47:33] 14(WFM) The edit url for the first section edits the wrong section. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 +comment (10huji.huji) [19:47:58] thank you [19:48:00] Messedrocker: Check Common.css [19:48:03] #002bb8 [19:48:12] And then Monobook.css [19:48:15] MZMcBride: #336600 is not blue? :) [19:48:31] oh, C0, not 00 [19:48:33] *flyingparchment can read [19:48:48] yeah and that one's for interwiki, i think [19:48:58] *Hojjat passes his glasses ahead [19:49:04] a standard 'a' in monobook's main.css is 002bb8, anyway [19:49:10] #3366C0 then? [19:49:26] you're talking about standarrd [[link]]? [19:49:28] yes [19:49:37] 002BB8 [19:49:44] thank you [19:50:21] Hojjat: on-wiki versions of the CSS sheets don't contain that info [19:50:33] MZMcBride okay [19:50:40] i wouldn't be surprised if they did on enwiki... ;-) [19:50:42] I checked it with Photoshop [19:50:46] 3366bb for external links [19:50:52] *MZMcBride wonders if it's okay to say CSS sheets [19:50:59] 002bb8 for internal links [19:51:06] MZMcBride: yes, as long as you don't mind saying PIN number [19:51:13] or ATM machine [19:51:29] or perhaps MW wiki?! [19:51:40] *Hojjat referes to mediawiki.org [19:51:42] yeah, it's not a pleonasm, because CSS is a proper noun, methinks [19:51:56] like United States state [19:52:52] MZMcBride: Anyways, was that what you needed? [19:53:07] oh, it was for messedrocker :) [19:53:13] he left [19:53:52] *Hojjat hides! What a shame... [19:58:02] 03siebrand * r28033 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (139 files): Move 'currentevents-url' to namespace Project. [19:59:28] hello! Can someone tell me if there is a reason a direct link to Special:Search/query doesnt use fulltext=Search by default? [20:11:01] 03vasilievvv * r28034 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 943) RSS feed for Recentchangeslinked [20:11:39] VasilievVV: you around? [20:11:50] yes [20:12:19] i started playing with Extension:Title Blacklist; it's pretty new? [20:12:33] it works badly [20:12:51] hmm, what do you mean? [20:13:31] It's in alpha stage, not even beta [20:13:58] the feature would be really nice to have on en.wiki... [20:17:03] I know [20:17:21] 03(mod) RSS feed for Recentchangeslinked - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943 +comment (10vasilvv) [20:17:58] 03(FIXED) RSS feed for Recentchangeslinked - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943 (10vasilvv) [20:27:55] 04(REOPENED) The edit url for the first section edits the wrong section. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 +comment (10zavpublic) [20:28:34] 03(FIXED) Set logo for Russian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12172 +comment (10jeluf) [20:29:45] 03(FIXED) The edit url for the first section edits the wrong section. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 +comment (10skizzerz) [20:30:10] looks like someone doesn't know what an edit tab is -_- [20:35:43] 03(FIXED) Change the sitename and project namespace of the Breton Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12118 +comment (10jeluf) [20:36:35] 03(FIXED) Lock database of cho.wikipedia.org for edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12117 +comment (10jeluf) [20:41:56] 03(FIXED) Change site name for Ido Wiktionary to 'Wikivortaro' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12109 +comment (10jeluf) [20:43:18] 06(LATER) fi.wikinews: File uploading only for sysops and bureaucrats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12105 +comment (10jeluf) [20:43:24] JeLuF: can you answer me a question regarding specia:search? :) [20:43:45] i asked it a few minutes ago here, but i guess nobody saw it :( [20:45:22] you joined this channel at 21:27 and didn't say anything since then [20:50:49] JeLuF: I had joined minutes before but my connection dropped :) [20:51:15] apparently the connection dropped before you've sent your question [20:51:49] anyway, my question was: Is there a reason Special:Search/query, when linked directly like this, doesnt use the parameter "fulltext=search"? [20:52:13] that is, if the "query" article exists, that lik takes me to the article, not to the search page [20:53:41] (also, I'm pretty sure my question went through. I entered twice, because of the drop -- if you've been online for a while you should see my entry twice in the logs :) ) [20:55:04] no idea [20:55:12] *when I said "entered", I meant "joined". sorry, english isnt my first language :) [20:55:28] JeLuF: I was thinking of submitting a bug on that [20:55:55] because otherwise I cant link the search page as an internal link, except if the article doesnt exist [20:56:40] anyway, do you think there could be objections to add fulltext=search as default to that way of linking special:search? [20:59:33] 03vasilievvv * r28035 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesRu.php: * Fixing Russian (ru) link trail: removed quotes [21:00:22] Waldir: just make a template [21:01:33] help [21:01:42] help needed here, anyone [21:02:02] !ask | bigjayster [21:02:02] bigjayster: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [21:02:11] bigjayster, i'll help you, telling you better explain your problem [21:02:39] Here's my question: After much pain and suffering, I got a Twiki installed on a server costing me about 2.50$/month no strings attached [21:02:47] My question is : Should I be using Twiki or MediaWiki - and why? [21:03:14] what do you want to do with it? [21:03:17] bigjayster: you are asking this in a mediawiki channel. [21:03:25] bigjayster: what answer do you expect? [21:03:26] Granted, but I just need input. [21:03:43] Well, how about answering the "why" part [21:03:50] most people here probably have never even tried twiki :) [21:04:12] there's not anser to the "why" part without a "what for" part. [21:04:23] Great. Well, what I really - truly - need is someone with a ton of MediaWiki skill who can help me set up a patient friendly site [21:04:39] it's a tool. it'S the right tool for some jobs. usable for others. unusable for still others. [21:05:28] Look, I know* its tempting to give clever answers to a newbie on wiki, but help me out here. I'm seeking someone who can give me a rational reason for using mediawiki with the general public for the following purpose [21:05:34] Duesentrieb: a template doesnt sound like an elegant solution to me. Besides even with "plainlink" it would still be a light blue link (like an interwiki one) than a dark blue link (like an internal link). Is it difficult to implement that change? :( [21:05:58] Waldir: it's a special case. special cases suck. [21:06:04] the idea is healthcare related, and the site must be "friendly" for input from the computer using public age 20-60. [21:06:11] they add complexity and are bound to break when things change [21:06:37] I'm looking for maximum input without being overwhelmed - should I even be using a wiki? or a custom created site from scratch that has more of a GUI [21:06:43] Duesentrieb: lol, ok I will do it but I'm not convinced :P [21:07:42] in fact, I wont even create the template. I only needed such a link once, and I hard-coded it, maybe if i come to need it elsewhere I'll create a template and avoid code duplication :P [21:07:58] bigjayster: there's no simple answer. sorry. wikis are a toll for collaborative content creation. they are aimed at groups of people that stay involved for some time, and are ready to learn a bit abotu how the system works, both technically and solcially. [21:08:18] bigjayster: one major point about running a wiki is building a community. [21:09:08] bigjayster: mediawiki, among wikis, is feature-rich, and extremely scalable. it's also rather resource-hungry, and not so freindly for people used to msword. [21:09:27] anyone here seen "www.sermo.com" for docs? well, its basically a GUI'd bb system that made it easy for docs to be community oriented, but avoided the difficulties of learning how to understand programming [21:09:54] so maybe I should be avoiding a wiki altogether? [21:10:08] maybe [21:10:17] 03vasilievvv * r28036 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesRu.php: Also drop prefixes [21:10:20] Its neither intuitive nor easy to quickly grasp and grow into from what I have seen. [21:10:20] maybe you want a bb system [21:10:24] or a cms [21:10:27]