[00:01:15] <Solifugus>	Duesentrieb: wow.. thanks.. ok.. I will go over all this.. have an appointment now, so copying/pasting all of what you just said for when I come back..
[00:01:21] <Solifugus>	thank you enormously in advance..
[00:04:54] <Duesentrieb>	going to bed
[00:04:56] <Duesentrieb>	have fun kids
[00:15:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Erratic total failure of unstrip phase in new preprocessor - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12154  +comment (10tstarling)
[00:34:40] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Special:Import, encoded square brackets in link texts are reconverted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12189  +comment (10tstarling)
[00:41:37] <ti>	Hello... how does one require user registration with visual confirmation before posting? is it possible?
[00:42:42] <BrokenArrow>	ti by visual confirmation you mean a captcha?
[00:43:34] <ti>	yeah like that
[00:44:31] <BrokenArrow>	ti see if http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit does what you need
[00:44:36] <BlaenkDenum>	reCAPTCHA
[00:48:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[01:09:07] <CIA-39>	03shinjiman * r28128 10/trunk/tools/planet/zh/templates/index.html.tmpl: changing the text into "bloggers", per discussion at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Planet_Wikimedia/zh
[01:11:38] <TheColonel>	hi
[01:11:51] <TheColonel>	is there some sort of control panel for mediawiki?
[01:12:51] <Kakurady>	Preferences and various special pages.
[01:13:13] <Kakurady>	Or are you looking for something like all options in one place?
[01:13:49] <TheColonel>	admin stuff... user creation, plugin managemenr, that sort of things
[01:19:30] <trentg>	Is there a way to revert some changes?
[01:19:41] <BrokenArrow>	short answer: no. user rights are managed by special pages, plugins by a LocalSettings.php file
[01:20:06] <BrokenArrow>	trentg: in content? almost any change....
[01:20:41] <Skizzerz>	trentg: such as edits? just use the undo to revert the previous edit, or rollback to revert multiple edits by a user (both accessible in the history tab)
[01:22:21] <trentg>	How about removing a user?
[01:23:33] <BrokenArrow>	with or without edits?
[01:23:48] <trentg>	Hm? A spammer.
[01:24:08] <BrokenArrow>	so you want to delete all his contributions, too?
[01:24:13] <trentg>	yes
[01:24:31] <BrokenArrow>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Nuke
[01:25:38] <trentg>	Thanks
[01:25:53] <BrokenArrow>	:)
[01:32:03] <CIA-39>	03shinjiman * r28129 10/trunk/extensions/AdvancedRandom/SpecialAdvancedRandom.i18n.php: adding Chinese fallbacks for the AdvancedRandom extension
[01:53:06] <CIA-39>	03shinjiman * r28130 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[01:53:06] <CIA-39>	* Update Chinese translations
[01:53:06] <CIA-39>	* Update Cantonese translations
[01:53:06] <CIA-39>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[02:06:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show links to intermediate revisions rather than "( One intermediate revision not shown.)" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12191 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (bugs)
[02:08:57] <CIA-39>	03simetrical * r28131 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/findhooks.php: maintenance/findhooks.php should find and report wfRunHooks() instances that it can't understand, instead of ignoring them. Lousy cut-and-paste job, but who cares, it's like 100 lines anyway.
[02:09:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install PdfHandler extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11215  +comment (10jayvdb)
[02:17:32] <Betacommand>	Ok this confuses the hell out of me
[02:18:02] <sheldonrampton>	Hi all...I wonder if someone here can help me fix some trouble I'm having with a custom extension when I try to do a database query. I've added a table to my MySQL database named "urlcache," where I'm trying to the results of some external URL queries. The following 3 lines of code are the problem:         $db =& wfGetDB(DB_MASTER);
[02:18:02] <sheldonrampton>	        $res = $db->select('urlcache', "data", "url='$url'");
[02:18:02] <sheldonrampton>	        if($res->numrows() == 0) {
[02:18:55] <sheldonrampton>	$res->numrows() is kicking out an error message that says, "Call to a member function numrows() on a non-object..."
[02:19:01] <Betacommand>	[[ΜTorrent]] and [[μTorrent]] are the same page yet have completely different titles
[03:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Confirmemail does not work in he.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12192 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (a9502784)
[03:11:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Confirmemail does not work in he.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12192  +comment (10a9502784)
[03:24:00] <CobraA1>	Is there a PHP plugin for password protecting a wiki?
[03:24:48] <Schroeder>	just do it with http auth
[03:26:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) updateRestrictions.php not working - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10700  +comment (10jidanni)
[03:26:52] <CobraA1>	Schroeder: *does a quick google search* This what you are talking about? http://www.php.net/features.http-auth
[03:27:34] <Schroeder>	what I'm talking about has nothing to do with PHP
[03:28:29] <CobraA1>	Schroeder: Where can I get more information about http auth?'
[03:34:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) document $wgSpamRegex matches body, not just line - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11701  (10jidanni)
[03:36:24] <CobraA1>	I'd like something other than .htaccess - my host apparently only reads the .htaccess file from the base folder for my website, and not from sub-folders. I do not, however, wish to restrict access to the whole website - just from certain folders. Since I am not hosting it myself, I do not have access to all of the configuration options for the website.
[03:36:31] <Messedrocker>	what is the specific extension employed by wikimedia wikis for ParserFunctions?
[03:39:09] <TimStarling>	ParserFunctions
[03:40:40] <Messedrocker>	well mediawiki.org treats it like there's more than one extension
[03:43:30] <Pathoschild>	There's only one called "ParserFunctions", I think.
[03:43:59] <Messedrocker>	can you link me to it? i'm not seeing "one extension"
[03:44:19] <Pathoschild>	!parserfunctions | Messedrocker 
[03:44:19] <mwbot>	Messedrocker : "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[03:47:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change "block account creation" functionality when blocking usernames - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12185  (10N/A)
[03:49:11] <MZMcBride>	it would be really nice if ParserFunctions were built into core; seems like 60% of questions in here are related to it.....
[03:49:59] <Messedrocker>	anyways i found it
[03:54:21] <Starcraftmazter>	Hey, is there a way to change the colour of a link?
[03:58:57] <Pathoschild>	Starcraftmazter: For an entire wiki, or a single link?
[03:59:10] <Starcraftmazter>	Pathoschild: single
[03:59:18] <Starcraftmazter>	Pathoschild: using formatting
[03:59:34] <Pathoschild>	[[foo|<span style="color:purple;">foo</span>]].
[04:00:13] <Pathoschild>	Maybe <span style="color:purple !important;">[[foo|foo]]</span>, but I don't think so.
[04:00:56] <amidaniel>	The !important shouldn't be necessary
[04:01:41] <MZMcBride>	it has to go past the pipe, inside the brackets, or it won't work correctly
[04:02:14] <Starcraftmazter>	Pathoschild: Thanks, the first suggestion works!
[04:02:19] *amidaniel 	notes that it *should* work, however :)
[04:02:23] *amidaniel 	stabs the parser
[04:02:35] <Pathoschild>	amidaniel: No, because the CSS in the stylesheet overrides it. :)
[04:02:52] <MZMcBride>	which parser are we currently running?
[04:03:04] <amidaniel>	Pathoschild: Ahh .. true, actually
[04:03:09] *amidaniel 	revokes his stabbing of the parser
[04:03:34] <MZMcBride>	oh, i'm sure the parser deserved it for something else :)
[04:03:41] <amidaniel>	Indeed :)
[05:09:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow localization of edit button images in LanguageXYZ.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11732  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[06:02:37] <richardus>	is the pywikipediabot the best way to insert a template into a lot of articles or is there some kind of "header" hack i could do to stick a template on a bunch of related articles
[06:02:49] <flyingparchment>	use pywikipedia
[06:04:04] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: enwp seems to have a pretty much "so long as you ratelimit it" attitude to enabling rollback for autoconfirmed users. Can I switch the perms around in the software, or should I poke brion first?
[06:04:20] <flyingparchment>	Werdna: i'm the last person to ask about that
[06:04:24] <flyingparchment>	i suggest asking brion
[06:04:31] <Werdna>	bleh
[06:04:33] <Werdna>	he's never around
[06:04:36] <Werdna>	I'll have to email him
[06:10:07] *Werdna 	hopes brion-away can read his semicomprehensible email
[06:10:55] *AmiDaniel_away 	advises Werdna to put "RE:" in th subject, as he seems to respond to responses to his emails much faster than to new emails
[06:17:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) autoConvert() should use StubObject::isRealObject() instead of isset() in LanguageConverter.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11751  (10shinjiman)
[06:31:25] *AmiDaniel_away 	wonders how TimStarling keeps quitting without rejoining ...
[06:31:35] <AmiDaniel_away>	Oh, wait, there's his join .. nvm :)
[06:52:03] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28132 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixing bug 12192.
[06:52:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Confirmemail does not work in he.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12192  +comment (10rotemliss_public)
[06:57:07] <CIA-39>	03huji * r28133 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Added missing translations for mergehistory family.
[06:57:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Confirmemail does not work in he.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12192  (10rotemliss_public)
[07:01:14] <ExcessNoiseFacto>	I need some help with wikihiero
[07:03:08] <ExcessNoiseFacto>	I checked it out from svn, placed it in the extensions directory, ... , then I get errors (Missing argument 2 for WikiHieroLoader ...)
[07:03:29] <ExcessNoiseFacto>	when I attempt to use heiro codes on a wiki page.
[07:15:59] <Gopherdoc>	hello
[07:28:52] <AmiDaniel_away>	God I hate php
[07:59:55] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[08:00:01] <AmiDaniel_away>	00Hi
[08:00:05] <AmiDaniel_away>	Woa .. Hi *
[08:00:07] <AmiDaniel_away>	:)
[08:02:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931  +comment (10brianriab)
[08:03:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <math> tags inside <pre> tags should be rendered without parsing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5305  summary (10brianriab)
[08:11:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Magic word for ToC including only sections after a certain point - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12193 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (brianriab)
[08:13:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Magic word for ToC including only sections after a certain point - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12193  (10brianriab)
[08:35:45] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28134 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiLogin.php: In ApiLogin, init session if necessary. This avoids a blank session ID when no session exists yet.
[08:36:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Confirmemail does not work in he.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12192  (10a9502784)
[08:41:33] <marvxxx>	moin
[08:47:23] <kryptoz>	hi all
[09:03:36] <_wooz>	lo
[09:30:39] <kryptoz>	I have got one page which I have to import to mediawiki. it has a lot of "<ref>" then some "Template:cite news" and "Template:Infobox Company". Its totally broken when I import it to mediawiki. How do i fix this ?
[09:57:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ConfirmAccount extension spammed by bots from XXXX sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12194 major; high; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (bertrand.grondin)
[10:02:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Import, encoded square brackets in link texts are reconverted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12189  (10ckirchho)
[10:04:14] <FreeNom>	re
[10:54:05] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28135 10/trunk/extensions/ (Makebot/Makebot.i18n.php Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.i18n.php): Translation fixes for he.
[10:56:41] <CIA-39>	03raymond * r28136 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
[10:56:41] <CIA-39>	* Add descriptive <title> to revision difference page
[10:56:41] <CIA-39>	* Move message 'difference' in language files to recentchanges section as it is only used in RecentChanges.php now.
[11:15:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) in the history, contentsub "revision history" is useless because it is already in the page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11993  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:32:12] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28138 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[12:14:58] <Messedrocker>	i've imported the wikipedia template {{Infobox Officeholder}} and I imported Wikipedia's Common.css, and then I purged the cache
[12:15:08] <Messedrocker>	yet the infobox still looks screwy on the one page it's used on
[12:15:18] <Messedrocker>	and yes i have parserfunctions installed
[12:16:21] <Messedrocker>	in fact it looks like this:
[12:16:22] <Messedrocker>	http://propup.org/wiki/index.php?title=George_W._Bush
[12:55:28] <AviR8765>	Can anyone help me submit a patch to mwdumper?
[12:55:42] <flyingparchment>	send it to brion@pobox.com
[12:55:49] <flyingparchment>	he maintains mwdumper
[12:55:53] *Werdna 	rolleyes
[12:56:02] <AviR8765>	thanks, flyingparchment
[12:56:13] <Werdna>	I've just been lectured by an enwiki person on the way I phrased my message about ifexist.
[12:56:35] <Werdna>	"The word 'abuse' is harsh, I asked the developers in April, don't act like we've been naughty, yada yada"
[12:57:18] <Werdna>	and told me to get off my ass and write a protected titles system :S
[12:59:14] <CIA-39>	03raymond * r28141 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/ (LuceneSearch.i18n.php LuceneSearch_body.php): * (bug 10869) Use proper decimal and thousands separators
[12:59:14] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28140 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Use same formatting as in MessagesEn.php for 'cantcreateaccount-text'
[12:59:15] <CIA-39>	03raymond * r28139 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[12:59:15] <CIA-39>	* PageHistory::diffButtons
[12:59:17] <CIA-39>	** Remove commented out message, no one missed it since r10459
[12:59:19] <CIA-39>	** Document function, use proper XML::element
[12:59:21] <CIA-39>	* Remove other ancient unused messages
[13:00:12] <bango>	hey how can i change links in the navigator
[13:00:46] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar | bango
[13:00:46] <mwbot>	bango: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:00:50] <Werdna>	aha
[13:00:57] *Werdna 	was just typing something very similar
[13:01:14] <Nikerabbit>	that's the single most asked question here...
[13:01:37] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use proper decimal and thousands separators - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10869  -need-review ; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[13:01:48] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: join #mwbot and play a bit :)
[13:02:48] <bruce>	hello
[13:09:09] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: o rly? I thought it was !access
[13:10:04] <Duesentrieb>	very popular also: !rewriteproblems and !templates
[13:10:05] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: well, both
[13:10:33] <Nikerabbit>	but those two have pretty good documentation if they would just look a little around
[13:10:45] <Werdna>	mmmmm.. lusers
[13:14:38] <minosa>	hello, im back with the question if it wouldn't be easier to tell me in which files I should look in order to implement own stylesheet?
[13:14:54] <Duesentrieb>	i have told you three times yesterday.
[13:15:06] <minosa>	yes, and I still didn't get it
[13:15:16] <minosa>	where shozuld I edit it?
[13:15:23] <Duesentrieb>	type MediaWiki:monobook.css into the search box in your wiki. hit enter.
[13:15:28] <minosa>	I did
[13:15:31] <Duesentrieb>	and?
[13:15:33] <minosa>	then the site comes up
[13:15:36] <Duesentrieb>	click edit.
[13:15:44] <minosa>	no edit button I can see
[13:15:53] <Duesentrieb>	you have to be logged in as sysop/admin
[13:16:03] <minosa>	wow, that's why
[13:18:37] <bruce>	sorry guys, I have just a small question : we're using mediawiki for internal documentation on a segmented network and we have to link some external files (from a samba server) to the wiki ? I should be stupid but I don't manage to make file:// links...
[13:19:09] <bruce>	any one can tell me if it's possible to make external links which are or "file" type, not http or ftp, as I would do in HTML ?
[13:19:15] <Duesentrieb>	!fileurl
[13:19:15] <mwbot>	To allow local file:///xxx links, use $wgUrlProtocols[] = "file:"; See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUrlProtocols for more information.
[13:19:26] <minosa>	any chance to do what I want without sysop? I got the job to edit files which will be uploaded on the ftp and with these files they want me to turn the standart theme into the clans theme
[13:19:28] <Duesentrieb>	beware that some browser don't allow this though
[13:19:42] <bruce>	thx mwbot, nice to have a good bot 
[13:20:09] <Duesentrieb>	minosa: doing it in files is much more complex. and... without ftp access, it's impossible to test it.
[13:20:21] <minosa>	right, lol
[13:20:42] <Duesentrieb>	minosa: the simplest way would be to edit your personal style, and have them copy it (to MediaWIki:monobook.css or a file, whatever). But that needs user styles enabled
[13:20:47] <minosa>	im already begging for more freedom, but the guy is gone for the next ~7 hrs
[13:20:56] <Duesentrieb>	minosa: generally, you can't style stuff if you are not allowed to change stuff.
[13:21:10] <Duesentrieb>	minosa: well, they want something from you, right?
[13:21:28] <minosa>	yea, I know, so they have to make me able to do the stuff...yea
[13:22:28] <minosa>	ok, so first when the guy is on ill tell him how to enable userstyles
[13:22:33] <minosa>	in which file was that againß
[13:22:35] <minosa>	?
[13:25:52] <Duesentrieb>	!config
[13:25:52] <mwbot>	*All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php. Do not edit any other file unless you want to get into serious hacking. You may want to *look* at the settings in DefaultSettings.php though, some are not in LocalSettings.php per default. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>
[13:26:17] <flyingparchment>	i thought configuration was in DefaultSettings.php?!?!?
[13:26:26] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28142 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (30 files): 
[13:26:26] <CIA-39>	With link text, tink targets are always normalised (also slightly cheaper I was told)
[13:26:26] <CIA-39>	* "[[{{ns:user}}:..|.." -> "[[User:..|.."
[13:26:26] <CIA-39>	* "[[{{ns:user_talk}}:..|.." -> "[[User_talk:..|.."
[13:27:05] <larsl>	#lad
[13:27:06] *Duesentrieb 	slaps flyingparchment with some ?!?!?!
[13:27:17] <larsl>	Sorry, changed tabs in mid-typing...
[13:27:35] <Duesentrieb>	minosa: $wgAllowUserCss = true;
[13:27:57] <minosa>	thanks
[13:28:07] <larsl>	Is there any way to split articles over several web pages but still have an autogenerated TOC for the whole article on one of the pages?
[13:33:41] <larsl>	Sort of like those Latex->HTML books.
[13:34:40] <Platonides>	larsll, i don't think so
[13:34:45] <Platonides>	but that would be interesting
[13:34:56] <Platonides>	you could print them on different pages, though
[13:35:08] <Platonides>	but as a web page has no length limit...
[13:38:12] <riz_>	Hi guys. I' m using imagemap extension for upload 
[13:38:20] <riz_>	image on my wiki
[13:38:34] <larsl>	Platonides: When you preview a subsection you get a webpage with just that particular subsection - is there any way to do that without previewing?
[13:38:57] <riz_>	Which is the way to upload images without specify a link ?
[13:40:53] <Duesentrieb>	your question doesn't realy make sense...
[13:40:56] <Duesentrieb>	!uploads
[13:40:56] <mwbot>	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[13:41:02] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, gtg
[13:54:52] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28143 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[13:56:45] <CIA-39>	03rotem * r28144 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: {{ns:user}} is needed in MediaWiki:Signature. It is parsed using wfMsgExt and parsemag in order to show the correct localized namespace name.
[14:12:09] <CIA-39>	03shizhao * r28145 10/trunk/tools/planet/zh/config.ini:
[14:33:49] <CIA-39>	03wegge * r28146 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDa.php: Added/updated translations for da. Also removed spurious author note.
[14:33:53] <VAdm_Andrews>	Is there a way to place CSS info in a template to makes chagnes that are specific to a page?
[14:41:55] <CIA-39>	03thomasv * r28147 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.i18n.php: messages
[14:44:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update hooks.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12174  +comment (10seventowers)
[14:45:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change site name for Ido Wikipedia to 'Wikipedio' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12167  minor->major; +comment (10malafaya)
[14:52:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change site name for Ido Wikipedia to 'Wikipedio' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12167  +comment (10malafaya)
[15:10:27] <brion-office>	heyyyyyyyy
[15:13:04] <riz_>	I need an help on ImageMap syntax
[15:13:56] <stemd>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~dapete/ImageMapEdit/ImageMapEdit.html?en
[15:14:11] <stemd>	GUI tool for making imagemaps
[15:14:12] <riz_>	I would like to remove tue link on the image
[15:14:27] <riz_>	stemd ah nice!
[15:14:33] <riz_>	stemd thanks
[15:14:38] <stemd>	you welcome! ;-)
[15:16:34] <TimLaqua>	hey, brion-office.  ;-)
[15:21:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deleted revisions permission scheme is wacky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12195 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (roan.kattouw)
[15:26:50] <VAdm_Andrews>	Is there a way to place CSS info in a template to makes chagnes that are specific to a page?
[15:28:47] <Duesentrieb>	you can use style attributes withs div/span, if that is whatyou mean
[15:28:55] <Duesentrieb>	or do you want to effect the entire page?
[15:41:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted revisions permission scheme is wacky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12195  +comment (10rotemliss_public)
[15:42:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868  (10brion)
[15:43:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted revisions permission scheme is wacky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12195  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:49:30] <bango>	hey how can i add a button under the article which say email this to a friend
[15:49:54] <RoanKattouw>	bango under one article or all?
[15:50:19] <bango>	und one article
[15:50:23] <bango>	under
[15:50:40] <bango>	it should be under all articles
[15:51:19] <RoanKattouw>	bango you'll have to customize your skin, I think
[15:51:35] <RoanKattouw>	!skins | bango
[15:51:35] <mwbot>	bango: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[15:52:12] <bango>	okay
[15:53:33] <bango>	ive got another question ive got a input field for creating an article on my mainpage, how can i do that a standart text is in the inputfield like: Your text
[15:54:03] <bango>	so that everyone knows: "Ah here i have to type the headline for the new article
[15:54:05] <lix>	hi. got a question about howto write templates. is it correct that the following sting works in wikipedia but not in mediawiki? "{{#if <expression> | <text> | <other_text> }} ?
[15:54:27] <lix>	this here does not help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[15:56:07] <lix>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Templates explains how to use #if string in wikipedia
[15:56:18] <lix>	but on my local mediawiki this doesnt work
[15:56:52] <RoanKattouw>	lix you need to install the ParserFunctions extension for {{#if:}} and friends to work
[15:56:56] <RoanKattouw>	!parserfunctions | lix
[15:56:56] <mwbot>	lix: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[15:57:07] <RoanKattouw>	You need the second link
[15:57:27] <lix>	Thank you! :)
[16:00:29] <K[a]n>	salve, Hallo
[16:00:29] <K[a]n>	!
[16:15:55] <larsl>	How do I remove the [hide] / [show] link from TOCs?
[16:18:42] <Cometstyles>	 __FORCETOC__  I think
[16:22:03] <Cometstyles>	I don't think its possible O_O
[16:22:20] <brion-office>	turn off javascript :D
[16:23:28] <Cometstyles>	:O
[16:28:22] <Rich[Away]>	hello, does anyone know any links to tutorials on how to set up my own wiki site using mediawiki?
[16:28:24] <Jboucher>	Hey, this is a bit off subject, but i want to use this in my wiki, so thats why im asking, I had seen an html script somewhere where the script pings an ip addess an if it gets a responce it shows a green light, if there is no responce it shows a red light,  Does anyone know where i can get a script like that..?
[16:33:21] <CIA-39>	03catrope * r28148 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiChangeRights.php ApiMove.php ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php): Removing double tabs inserted due to my editor's retarded tabsize=4 setting.
[16:33:36] <RoanKattouw>	!install | Rich[Away]
[16:33:36] <mwbot>	Rich[Away]: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[16:33:58] <RoanKattouw>	Jboucher: write it yourself? ;)
[16:36:00] <Jboucher>	Im not that good :(
[16:36:18] <Cometstyles>	ahh another Jimbo shows up ;)
[16:36:20] <TimLaqua>	Jboucher: in your intranet?
[16:36:26] <Jboucher>	yeah
[16:36:36] <TimLaqua>	Jboucher: so you just wanna ping stuff?
[16:36:59] <Jboucher>	yup.. and get a green light if it works.. a red if not  ( i can make my own red and green .gif files
[16:37:12] <TimLaqua>	interesting.
[16:38:18] <TimLaqua>	Tag extensions cache and parser extensions always evaluate on page view, right?
[16:38:46] <TimLaqua>	'cause if he wants an up/down indicator, it *has* to update on page view, no caching allowed
[16:39:00] <Jboucher>	yeah exactly
[16:39:14] <Jboucher>	but i have the html embed extention installed
[16:39:23] <Jboucher>	i can embed other webpages into my wiki
[16:39:26] <TimLaqua>	yeah, that'll cache
[16:39:38] <Jboucher>	so if i just embed an autoupdateing html webpage it will refresh itself
[16:39:46] <Jboucher>	i did that with my mrtg and it automatically updates
[16:39:51] <TimLaqua>	hmm...
[16:40:52] <TimLaqua>	gotta be like a true ICMP ping?
[16:41:35] <Jboucher>	just a ping to an ip and port and if it recieves a responce then GREEN 
[16:41:36] <Jboucher>	:)
[16:41:43] <TimLaqua>	port?
[16:41:56] <TimLaqua>	umm... by ping do you mean like ping as in the ping command?
[16:42:13] <TimLaqua>	or you want to check a port?  like see if port 80 is hot?
[16:43:09] <Jboucher>	yeah like a ping responce
[16:43:18] <TimLaqua>	so ICMP.  ;-)
[16:43:22] <Jboucher>	ill give you an exampl of what i want
[16:43:23] <Jboucher>	yes icmp
[16:43:50] <Jboucher>	I have 4 servers   all same ip address useing different ports, i want to run a ping to each and if one doesn't respond.. it means the server crashed, or connection closed.. and i want to know
[16:44:20] <TimLaqua>	umm...
[16:44:55] <Jboucher>	i had a script like this before when i was running game servers
[16:45:03] <Jboucher>	to make sure like my zone server or map server was working
[16:45:10] <TimLaqua>	yeah, but you can't ping a port
[16:45:25] <Jboucher>	i had it working before, different ports
[16:45:40] <TimLaqua>	so like what command do you type in to ping one of your servers?
[16:46:14] <Jboucher>	well i don't i just try to access it and if it doesnt respond then it doesnt work
[16:46:22] <Jboucher>	i might be wrong.. the script might now have used the ping command
[16:46:27] <Jboucher>	if there is another way to do it.. then fine
[16:46:35] <Jboucher>	my goal is to have a script that tells me when the server is up or down
[16:46:40] <TimLaqua>	well, what service is running on those servers?
[16:47:04] <TimLaqua>	like if it's HTTP, you'd test that service, not ping the IP.
[16:47:34] <TimLaqua>	as far as I know, ICMP ping goes to a 'raw port' - you can't like - point it elsewhere
[16:48:00] <Jboucher>	its HTTP on all ports
[16:48:20] <Jboucher>	all i care about.. is to know if i get a responce from the server on that port
[16:48:23] <TimLaqua>	ok, so you have one ip, and four ports - each port is routed to a different physical/virtual server?
[16:48:30] <Jboucher>	if the service crashes that that port is no longer available
[16:48:43] <Jboucher>	I use socat
[16:49:01] <Jboucher>	on a linux serer to route anything on eth1 comeing on port 44 goes to one internal ip
[16:49:09] <TimLaqua>	k
[16:49:16] <Jboucher>	and then anything on eth1 comeing on port 88 goes to another internal ip
[16:49:29] <Jboucher>	the eth1 adapter has a static ip of 10.10.24.87
[16:55:19] <TimLaqua>	Jboucher: you could use javascript
[16:55:29] <Jboucher>	i just found something
[16:55:31] <Jboucher>	a php script
[16:55:47] <Jboucher>	yup.. found it.. lets me check port status
[16:55:56] <TimLaqua>	cool
[17:06:33] <Rich[Away]>	does anyone know why i cant change my localhost mysql root password?
[17:12:51] <Rich[Away]>	nevermind
[17:18:41] <Jboucher>	TimLaqua i go tthe script working.. only thing is.. do u know the code to make the php page autoupdate
[17:18:57] <Jboucher>	im running it stand alone not part of mediawikie, i just want it to autoupdate every 10 seconds or what not
[17:19:45] <TimLaqua>	umm... meta refresh?
[17:19:50] <Jboucher>	yeah stuipd me
[17:19:51] <TimLaqua>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_refresh
[17:19:52] <Jboucher>	already figure dit out
[17:19:53] <Jboucher>	haha
[17:20:10] <TimLaqua>	javascript using ajax to check would be much prettier.
[17:22:21] <Aficionado07>	hello, got a problem during wikimedia installation. someone here to help? code pasted on http://rafb.net/p/VBs5mk63.html
[17:23:06] <Jboucher>	I wish i chould show you the wiki TimLaqua but its on the intranet.. i put alot of work into it ;)
[17:23:06] <Jboucher>	ha
[17:23:24] <RoanKattouw_cook>	Aficionado07: is the maintenance directory readable by the web server?
[17:24:32] <Aficionado07>	chmod is 755
[17:25:37] <Rich[Away]>	where is the $wgLogo to change my logo?
[17:25:46] <Rich[Away]>	ive looked on LocalSettings but i cant find it there...
[17:25:54] <CIA-39>	03erik * r28149 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtPages.php: single load point for UI messages
[17:26:23] <RoanKattouw_cook>	Aficiobado07 also check perms on the tables.sql file itself
[17:26:38] <Aficionado07>	should it be chmod 777?
[17:26:54] <RoanKattouw_cook>	Rich[Away] the default value is in includes/DefaultSettings.php, copy the line to LocalSettings.php and change it
[17:27:04] <RoanKattouw_cook>	Aficionado07, no, just readable for everyone
[17:28:15] <Rich[Away]>	RoanKattow: does it matter where i paste the line?
[17:28:51] <Aficionado07>	RoanKattouw_cook the file is readable
[17:29:04] <RoanKattouw>	Rich[Away] as long as it's below the line mentioning DefaultSettings.php
[17:30:11] <Rich[Away]>	ok thansk
[17:31:22] <RoanKattouw>	Aficionado07: no, just readable for everyone
[17:31:26] <RoanKattouw>	Oh sorry
[17:31:30] <RoanKattouw>	I'd already said that :P
[17:31:36] <Aficionado07>	yes :)
[17:33:24] <Aficionado07>	i will be back in some minutes. i hope you find an idea to fix the prob.
[17:42:21] <Aficionado07>	re
[17:42:42] <Aficionado07>	RoanKattouw have you got an idea?
[17:53:32] <Aficionado07>	need help!
[18:32:23] <VAdm_Andrews>	Is there a way to affect CSS elements from a template?
[18:33:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use a meta description tag for better search-engine indexing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12196 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wknight8111)
[18:33:43] <CIA-39>	03raymond * r28150 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Housekeeping for r28137.
[18:33:45] *Nikerabbit 	curses new firefox, some fonts are unreadable
[18:36:39] <Aficionado07>	need help with my problem. http://rafb.net/p/VBs5mk63.html there is a problem during the installation of wikimedia
[18:37:53] <Filnik>	Hello
[18:53:06] <VAdm_Andrews>	Anyone who can help with CSS issues with the wiki?
[18:54:51] <bango>	where can i see a list with all my users and their email adress?
[18:55:13] <AlexSm>	VAdm_Andrews: on the wiki page you can use inline CSS, cannot use "<style>"; what is the question exactly?
[18:56:46] <bango>	okay ive the answer
[18:57:14] <bango>	i can see the user list but how can i get their email's?
[19:00:20] <bango>	mhm?
[19:11:51] <VAdm_Andrews>	AlexSm: If you're willing to look at a web page I can probably explain it easier
[19:12:20] <VAdm_Andrews>	appologies for the delay....kid had needs
[19:13:21] <AlexSm>	VAdm_Andrews: I'm not really that good with CSS ...
[19:13:57] <VAdm_Andrews>	I'm decent with it, just not sure in the interactions within a wiki enviroment
[19:14:07] <VAdm_Andrews>	http://wiki.maquis.com/w/Main_Page
[19:14:31] <VAdm_Andrews>	that upper LCARS graphic is a background in the .firstHeader element
[19:15:05] <VAdm_Andrews>	I want to be able to make it so that people can use a template code to chagne it.
[19:36:53] <bango>	can i create under kategrories?
[19:39:45] <Duesentrieb>	bango: youmean subcategories? sure. you can categorize categories just like any other page.
[19:40:01] <Duesentrieb>	!categories
[19:40:01] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[19:43:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Delete Fails on requestWriteMode() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12197 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (eddieroger)
[19:45:31] <paulproteus>	Let's say I've uploaded an image called Image:Awesome.png to my wiki; is there a way to link the *image itself* to some other wiki page?
[19:46:09] <paulproteus>	Like [[Image:Awesome.png&mode=embed|My awesome page]] 
[19:46:14] <paulproteus>	But some syntax that actually works.
[19:47:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Delete Fails on requestWriteMode() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12197  (10eddieroger)
[19:48:22] <bango>	yes 
[19:48:40] <bango>	for example i have got a article about Vehicles
[19:48:53] <bango>	no sorry about a car
[19:49:19] <bango>	now i put it in the categorie Vehicles
[19:49:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "PHP Notice: Undefined index:" in Apache Errorlog post v1 .11.0 Upgrade - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12198 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (jvandegrift)
[19:49:39] <bango>	and now i want a nother categorie in vehicles which includes cars.
[19:56:05] <bango>	okay ive got another question... how can i create, that a user must choose a categorie before he can write his article. So ive got some standart categories and he must choose one of them (Example: Cars,Animals...)
[19:58:35] <Duesentrieb>	bango: i donÄt think you can force that. there are some extensions for chooding categories though, i think
[19:59:15] <bango>	can you show me some of this extensions?
[20:00:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After upgrade '[edit]' links replaced by non-linked text '< editsection-brackets>' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11926  (10jvandegrift)
[20:01:10] <Duesentrieb>	bango: have you tried searching? *[[Extension:PageCSS]] ''- on-page CSS styles''
[20:01:12] <Duesentrieb>	err
[20:01:23] <Duesentrieb>	damn clipboard
[20:01:28] <Duesentrieb>	here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=categories&ns102=1&fulltext=Search
[20:10:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Delete Fails on requestWriteMode() - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12197  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:15:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After install using the ".php5" extension ( server runs php 4 with ".php" extensions) proceeding to the main wiki page results in an error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11933  (10jvandegrift)
[20:17:49] <DownIsTheNewUp>	mediawiki installed on a windows server.. out of the box config and my wiki search never returns any results.. any ideas?
[20:31:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	Anyone know if the Gadgets extension can be restricted to autoconfirmed?
[20:32:17] <CIA-39>	03catrope * r28151 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:32:17] <CIA-39>	* (bug 12195) Introducing 'undelete' right, which is required for restoring deleted revisions. Granted to sysops by default.
[20:32:17] <CIA-39>	* Fixing whacky indentation in ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php introduced in r28148
[20:33:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) After install using the ".php5" extension ( server runs php 4 with ".php" extensions) proceeding to the main wiki page results in an error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11933  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:34:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deleted revisions permission scheme is wacky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12195  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:36:50] <CIA-39>	03catrope * r28152 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php: What was I smoking when I made execute() private?!?
[20:37:50] <Mike_lifeguard>	Duesentrieb: are you busy?
[20:37:59] <Duesentrieb>	should be :P
[20:38:03] <Duesentrieb>	what's up?
[20:38:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	can Gadgets be set to be accessible for autoconfirmed only?
[20:39:25] <Duesentrieb>	not currently. and it wouldn't make much sense either. any user can activate the scripts by hand. hell, even without logging in, i could use the tools via something like greasemonkey.
[20:39:54] <Mike_lifeguard>	true. but it'd be an extra level of effort required
[20:40:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	ppl are thinking of making Twinkle autoconfirmed only (or a checkpage or something), so I thought this might be one way to do it
[20:40:44] <Duesentrieb>	Twinkle?
[20:40:57] <Duesentrieb>	well, one easy way to do it is to check user permissions in the tool itself
[20:41:04] <Duesentrieb>	just pop up a box if the user is not allowed to use it.
[20:41:09] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Request for arbcomDE-l - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12199 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (wikipedia)
[20:41:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	not my area of expertise...
[20:41:34] <Duesentrieb>	wgUserGroups exists. should be trivial.
[20:41:40] <Mike_lifeguard>	Also, what sort of community support would you want before enabling it on a wiki
[20:42:01] <Duesentrieb>	otoh, it would be nice to be able to hide some tools from non-admins anyway (the ones that can only be used by admins)
[20:42:16] <Duesentrieb>	i can't enable it, i'm not a server admin :)
[20:42:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	oh. well "you" as a more abstract "whoever can do it" then..?
[20:42:47] <Duesentrieb>	just have short discussion, then file a request on bugzilla. it's active on several wikis, so it shouldn't be a problem
[20:43:03] <Duesentrieb>	"whoever can do it" is a question for #wikimedia-tech
[20:43:36] <Mike_lifeguard>	ok. well there's a "discussion" ongoing (nobody but me has said anything)
[20:43:41] <Mike_lifeguard>	thanks for the help
[20:44:07] <Duesentrieb>	Mike_lifeguard: anyway: requiering a specific permission or group for some gadgets-section to be shown is something i am thinking about. i might implement it. don't hold your breath though, i'm busy with my major thesis
[20:44:33] <Mike_lifeguard>	that /would/ be a nice feature.
[20:44:48] <Mike_lifeguard>	I'm supposed to be working too, so I definitely get the "I have no time" ;)
[20:45:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	have a good day
[20:46:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for arbcomDE-l - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12199   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[20:47:16] <MZMcBride>	is ExtensionFunctions.php still necessary for anything?
[20:47:35] <Duesentrieb>	grep for it
[20:47:54] <mdale>	some extensions use it... 
[20:48:20] <Duesentrieb>	i get 25 hits in the extension dir
[20:48:44] <Duesentrieb>	the best option would imho be to move it into the core
[20:49:05] <Duesentrieb>	though, sadly, the standard way to include it seems to be: require( dirname(__FILE__) . '/../ExtensionFunctions.php' )
[20:49:10] <Duesentrieb>	which is fragile.
[20:49:26] <mdale>	yea but most do a function check prior to the include no? 
[20:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	hm?
[20:49:52] <Duesentrieb>	"in core" doesn't mean it would be loaded automatically
[20:50:06] <Duesentrieb>	that should in fact be avoided#
[20:50:59] <Duesentrieb>	actually, it *could* mean that it's loaded on *demand*. but not pre-loaded always. so checking function_exists would fail.
[20:51:05] <MZMcBride>	well i think ParserFunctions used to require it a long time ago
[20:51:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Request for arbcomDE-l - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12199  +comment (10cbass)
[20:51:16] <mdale>	like: if ( !function_exists( 'extAddSpecialPage' ) ) {
[20:51:16] <mdale>	      require( dirname(__FILE__) . '/../ExtensionFunctions.php' );
[20:51:16] <mdale>	}
[20:51:22] <MZMcBride>	but i know brion wanted to make extensions as self-contained as possible
[20:51:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	extensionfunctions is evil.
[20:51:56] <MZMcBride>	i guess for now i'll keep it installed so as to not break anything
[20:52:12] <Duesentrieb>	mdale: that will not work if it's auto-load. it would only work if it's always pre-loaded. which it should not be.
[20:53:08] <mdale>	ah... but its not class based... how will it work with the autoloader? 
[20:57:05] <Duesentrieb>	mdale: i don't know, i though autoloading would work for functions too? but anyway, even if auto-loading isn'Ät possible, and if it was in the core, it should *still* not be pre-loaded. you'd just use require_once
[20:57:32] <Duesentrieb>	(do not ever use a plain require for this kind of thing)
[20:58:05] <Duesentrieb>	include is for actual template code generating output. require_once is for libraries. include_once and requore are... useless. they should die.
[21:01:51] <Duesentrieb>	hmm... i like extensions like PageCSS
[21:01:54] <Duesentrieb>	it's cute
[21:02:19] <Duesentrieb>	small, simpel & effective.
[21:02:33] <CIA-39>	03brion * r28154 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/LuceneSearch_body.php: 
[21:02:33] <CIA-39>	Fix regression caused in r28141:
[21:02:33] <CIA-39>	* reported byte sizes were a factor of 1024 off
[21:02:33] <CIA-39>	* word count was missing, listing only $2
[21:02:33] <CIA-39>	Note that 28141 (as fixed) uses formatSize() which in most cases will not include any decimals or thousands separators, as it rounds off to integral values.
[21:09:32] <CIA-39>	03huji * r28155 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding missing translation, performing RebuildLanguage
[21:18:27] <CIA-39>	03brion * r28156 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser_OldPP.php: Parser_OldPP class had older signature function. Updating to the current one, using site-customizable formatting.
[21:29:33] <CIA-39>	03huji * r28157 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Removing unused message
[21:31:41] <Hillaballoo>	goooood evening folks
[21:36:44] <Hillaballoo>	I'm having a bit of trouble with enabling image uploads- I turned off hashed uploads, created the directories under images/, made them owned by the webserver's user and the mode is 775.  PHP uploads are confirmed on.  I get "Internal Error  The upload directory (public) is not writeable by the webserver."  LocalSettings doesn't have the string "public" anywhere in it save $wgDBts2schema.
[21:37:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) updaters.inc will never load interwiki.sql - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12200 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (jidanni)
[21:37:08] <Hillaballoo>	can't find any errors in the apache error logs
[21:37:15] <Skizzerz>	try using mode 777
[21:37:25] <RoanKattouw>	Hillaballo did you set the upload directory correctly?
[21:37:36] <RoanKattouw>	'public' is probably the current upload directory
[21:37:52] <Hillaballoo>	the default is supposed to be $(some variable that is the script path)/images/
[21:38:04] <Hillaballoo>	at least according to the docs in LocalSettings.php
[21:38:13] <Hillaballoo>	I suppose i could explicitly define ite.
[21:38:43] <RoanKattouw>	You probably should
[21:38:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931  (10brion)
[21:39:08] <Hillaballoo>	Skizzerz: looks like it's permissions related, 777 worked.  Digging.
[21:39:36] <Hillaballoo>	ok, odd.  It created the image in ./images/, instead of using archive, deleted, and thumb.
[21:39:47] <Hillaballoo>	it also didn't make a thumbnail.
[21:39:56] <Skizzerz>	it shouldn't be using deleted unless you delete it
[21:40:12] <Skizzerz>	and it might not make the thumbnail unless you specifically need it, but I'm not sure
[21:40:22] <Hillaballoo>	hmm, I'll try adding the image to a page.
[21:40:32] <Skizzerz>	as for archive, I think that's only used for when you upload over it (don't quote me on that though)
[21:40:41] <Hillaballoo>	ok
[21:41:00] <Hillaballoo>	all makes sense in retrospect.  I don't know why I assumed everything would go into those subdirectories :-)
[21:41:40] <Hillaballoo>	thanks for being a good second set of eyeballs.
[21:41:53] <Skizzerz>	np :)
[21:44:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10brion)
[21:45:21] <Hillaballoo>	nope, linked to an image using thumb and no thumbnail.
[21:45:50] <Hillaballoo>	how can I even begin to troubleshoot why thumbnail generation isn't working...imagemagick and the imagemagick php5 module are installed.
[21:46:03] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Slash (/) entered as %2F causes 404 file not found error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9204  (10brion)
[21:46:08] <Hillaballoo>	actually, I wonder if it is because I uploaded a GIF file (debian box.)
[21:48:35] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) SkinTemplate::makeTalkUrlDetails calls member on a non-object - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11761  +comment (10brion)
[21:48:59] <Duesentrieb>	!thumb
[21:48:59] <mwbot>	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[21:49:01] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[21:49:01] <mwbot>	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[21:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: for you ---^
[21:49:17] <Hillaballoo>	k
[21:49:26] <Hillaballoo>	I think it's a GIF problem, checking now, but thanks for the links.
[21:49:37] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: GIF should be thumbnailed fine (even if animated)
[21:49:41] <Hillaballoo>	mediawiki is less than stellar for ease of navigation
[21:49:50] <Hillaballoo>	not on a debian box if GIFs aren't in imagemagick :-)
[21:49:53] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: but if it's small, no thumbnail is created, because it's not needed
[21:50:07] <Duesentrieb>	uh... why wouldn't they be?
[21:50:08] <Hillaballoo>	er, gif support.
[21:50:12] <Duesentrieb>	the patents have all expired, no?
[21:50:19] <Hillaballoo>	could be.  I dunno.
[21:50:23] <Hillaballoo>	that's why I'm testing.
[21:50:32] <Hillaballoo>	it's an easy test
[21:50:55] <Hillaballoo>	bah.  Not it.
[21:51:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[21:51:58] <Duesentrieb>	gif patents expired in 2004 accpording to wikipedia
[21:52:06] <Duesentrieb>	lzw, more precisely
[21:55:46] <Hillaballoo>	ok, according to the image thumbnail enabling docs, everything is set correctly.  Hmm.
[21:56:33] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: turn on the debug log. it should tell you exactly if and how it tries to make a thumbnail
[21:56:41] <Hillaballoo>	yeah, looking at that now
[21:56:41] <Duesentrieb>	debug is noisy btw, grep is your frind
[21:59:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sortable tables don't recognize yyyy-mm-dd date format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11784  +comment (10brion)
[21:59:30] <Hillaballoo>	I added $wgDebugLogFile  = "/tmp/mwlog.txt"; and I have no log file in /tmp...I even touched mwlog.txt and set it 777.
[21:59:36] <Hillaballoo>	:-|
[22:00:24] <Hillaballoo>	am I missing something, Duesentrieb ?
[22:09:08] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28158 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[22:09:08] <CIA-39>	* Only show most recent 5000 revisions on Special:Undelete by default. Accept
[22:09:08] <CIA-39>	 limit and offset parameters. Undelete with no revisions selected still
[22:09:08] <CIA-39>	 undeletes all revisions, regardless of how many are displayed.
[22:09:11] <amidaniel>	Anyone care to double-check 28158 for me?
[22:10:03] <Hillaballoo>	anyone? :-|
[22:10:30] <amidaniel>	I have the feeling one or two bugs mighta slipped into it ... seems to be working for me.
[22:10:53] <ST47>	amidaniel: well, I can't speak for the code, but it works
[22:10:58] <ST47>	;)
[22:11:23] <Administrator>	hey
[22:11:26] <Skizzerz>	hi
[22:11:48] <Administrator>	ningawords.com
[22:12:19] <Administrator>	how does it work on Wiktionary?
[22:13:17] <MZMcBride>	ningawords.com doesn't exist
[22:13:30] <Hillaballoo>	can anyone tell me why the debug config parameter isn't doing anything?
[22:13:32] <Administrator>	http://ninjawords.com/
[22:13:35] <Administrator>	sorry wrong site
[22:14:30] <amidaniel>	Ah, and indeed there was one :)
[22:14:38] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28159 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUndelete.php: Woops, fix bug with last commit when the number of rows <= 2.
[22:14:49] <Administrator>	how does it work on Wiktionary?
[22:14:54] <Administrator>	can someone explain that to me?
[22:15:37] <amidaniel>	Alright, if someone would like to check that, it would be much appreciated.
[22:15:40] <amidaniel>	I gotta run though.
[22:16:48] <MZMcBride>	Administrator: i still don't understand your question; it looks for the word in Wiktionary's database and then has a fallback option if Wiktionary doesn't have the word
[22:17:18] <Administrator>	so. can you tell me how that works?
[22:17:43] <Administrator>	i mean is there  a tutorial that describes that?
[22:19:11] <Hillaballoo>	hello?  Anyone?  I enabled $wgDebugLogFile  and it isn't creating the log file
[22:20:10] <MZMcBride>	you set $wgDebugLogFile to the path of the debug log file
[22:20:20] <Hillaballoo>	I did.
[22:20:27] <Hillaballoo>	$wgDebugLogFile  = "/tmp/mwlog.txt";
[22:20:47] <Hillaballoo>	I know it is writeable by the webserver- there are other webserver temp files in there.
[22:21:07] <Hillaballoo>	I even touched said file and chmod'd it 777 to assure it wasn't a permissions problem.
[22:21:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) please create portal and project namespaces on oc. wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12201 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (a9502784)
[22:22:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) please create portal and project namespaces on oc.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12201  (10a9502784)
[22:23:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10Siegel)
[22:24:40] <Hillaballoo>	sigh.
[22:26:17] <Administrator>	so no one will help me?
[22:26:41] <Hillaballoo>	join the club. chief.
[22:27:15] <Skizzerz>	Hillaballoo: it won't create the file IIRC, it'll just write to an existing file
[22:27:37] <Hillaballoo>	Skizzerz: "Hillaballoo: I even touched said file and chmod'd it 777 to assure it wasn't a permissions problem."
[22:27:45] <Skizzerz>	ah
[22:27:54] <Skizzerz>	didn't quite catch that part then...
[22:28:14] <Skizzerz>	did you try using a full path?
[22:28:22] <Hillaballoo>	it is set to the full path
[22:28:33] <Hillaballoo>	$wgDebugLogFile  = "/tmp/mwlog.txt";
[22:28:49] <Skizzerz>	yeah, full path as in "including http:// and all the stuff after it"
[22:29:02] <Skizzerz>	(or $IP as the case may be)
[22:29:35] <Skizzerz>	so $wgDebugLogFile = "$IP/tmp/mwlog.txt"; of course, that shouldn't make a difference, but who knows
[22:30:04] <Hillaballoo>	uh....the doc example doesn't say to include that
[22:30:13] <Hillaballoo>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug#In-depth_debugging
[22:30:35] <Skizzerz>	I know... the docs don't say a lot of stuff, plus I highly doubt it will fix whatever problem you're having...
[22:32:01] <Hillaballoo>	no- what I mean is that the docs give a specific example where it is a simple file path.
[22:39:21] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: sorry, i was afk. it *should* work with a simple file path. do you have full error reporting enabled? can you confirm safe-mnode is off?
[22:40:47] <pd>	are categories stored in the mediawiki database or in a text file?
[22:42:02] <Duesentrieb>	pd: everything is stored in the database.
[22:42:09] <Duesentrieb>	a text file would be a very odd choice
[22:43:47] <pd>	Duesentrieb: agree re text file, but I'm having a little trouble working out the schema
[22:44:14] <pd>	for example when we change a category name directly in the database, it is not reflected on the web pages
[22:44:38] <jlerner_>	you're not supposed to touch the db like that ;-)
[22:44:41] <pd>	also, the cl_sortkey fields seems strange
[22:44:45] <pd>	ok
[22:44:47] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28160 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUndelete.php: Ensure offset provided to Special:Undelete is numerical (to prevent SQL injection).
[22:44:52] <Duesentrieb>	pd: categories are a bit etheric. they consist of two things: a category header, aka page - which is just a regular wiki page in the category namespaced. and a list of pages belonging to that category - this is a relation maintained by categorylinks.
[22:45:16] <pd>	ok
[22:45:18] <Duesentrieb>	pd: the sortkey determins where the page will show up in the category. 
[22:45:38] <Duesentrieb>	on page Z, if i put [[Category:X|A]], X will be listed under A in Z
[22:45:39] <pd>	hmmm
[22:46:01] <Duesentrieb>	err, wrong. Z will be listed under A in X
[22:46:03] <Duesentrieb>	sorry.
[22:46:12] <pd>	np
[22:46:27] <pd>	so to clarify
[22:46:43] <pd>	categorylinks is just a relationship table
[22:46:56] <pd>	all categories are really just pages flagged as categories?
[22:47:08] <Duesentrieb>	yes... 
[22:47:17] <Duesentrieb>	well, depends on what you mean by "are"
[22:47:30] <pd>	hmmm
[22:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	you could also say all categories *have* a page flagged as a category page
[22:47:35] <Duesentrieb>	in addition to having members
[22:47:42] <pd>	ok
[22:48:03] <pd>	how would I go about getting a distinct list of categories?
[22:48:29] <Hillaballoo>	Duesentrieb: safe mode needs to be off?
[22:48:34] <Duesentrieb>	select page_title from page where page_namespace = 14
[22:48:44] <Duesentrieb>	!safemode | Hillaballoo
[22:48:44] <mwbot>	Hillaballoo: safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[22:49:04] <Hillaballoo>	BWAHAHAHA
[22:49:10] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: writing the log file is another thing thatmight not work in safe-mode
[22:49:14] <pd>	so page_namespace value of 14 is the *magic* number that denotes a page is a category?
[22:49:23] <Hillaballoo>	what a hilariously one-sided view of safemode.
[22:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	it's actually the official viw of the PHP people by now
[22:50:00] <avar>	oh they're coming around on their own stupidity? There's hope yet
[22:50:00] <Duesentrieb>	pd: it'S a namespace id, some namepsaces are magic. 
[22:50:15] <Duesentrieb>	avar: deperecated in php5, removed in php6
[22:50:41] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: open-basedir restrictions make much more sense.
[22:51:08] <Duesentrieb>	many restrictions imposed by safemode are pretty silly.
[22:51:20] <Duesentrieb>	(and not really secure. just confusing and a pita)
[22:51:47] <Hillaballoo>	yeah, I remember when people said the same thing about register globals
[22:52:09] <Hillaballoo>	safe mode is actually off already.
[22:52:14] <Hillaballoo>	so there goes that theory
[22:52:29] <Duesentrieb>	pd: see Defines.php for a list of all namespaces. negative namespace numbers are *very* magic (and generally don't show up in the page table), category, mediawiki and image namespaces are magic, template is slightly special.
[22:52:33] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28161 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: Rmv "for" property of labels on Gadgets preferences page. Causes some annoying behavior when the label is a link to another page.
[22:52:51] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: register globals is... extremely insane :)
[22:53:10] <Duesentrieb>	Hillaballoo: again: do you have full error reporting on?
[22:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sortable tables don't recognize yyyy-mm-dd date format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11784  (10pathoschild)
[22:55:53] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: clicking the link toggles the checkbox too...
[22:56:54] <amidaniel>	Yes, that should fix that prob
[22:56:57] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28162 10/trunk/extensions/Throttle/ (UserThrottle.i18n.php UserThrottle.php): 
[22:56:57] <CIA-39>	* Adding i18n file (submitted by Bertrand Grondin)
[22:56:57] <CIA-39>	* EOL whitespace and indentation fixes
[22:56:57] <CIA-39>	* Add $wgExtensionCredits
[22:58:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10Siegel)
[22:59:05] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28163 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for Throttle
[22:59:32] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: hm... the checkbox should then be moved *inside* the label, according to the html spec. (http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.9)
[22:59:42] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: however, i guess then we will have the same problem again
[23:00:39] <amidaniel>	Hmm .. could be. I see it next to it all the time though
[23:00:47] <amidaniel>	Do we even actually need a <label> there?
[23:00:56] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: hm... assigning a label to a checkbox is good for accessibility - though i guess it sucks if it makes a longish text clickable#
[23:01:19] <Duesentrieb>	i would say either we have a label with "for", or no label
[23:01:28] <Duesentrieb>	a label with no association is useless
[23:02:07] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: anyway... when clicking a link in a table, that should not trigger the checkbox to be toggeled
[23:03:28] <Duesentrieb>	i'd consider this a browser bug
[23:04:41] <Duesentrieb>	err, link in a *label*
[23:05:05] <Duesentrieb>	bugzilla.mozilla.org is extremly slow :/
[23:06:10] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Alright, I agree 
[23:06:10] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28164 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[23:06:10] <CIA-39>	* Add "show all" option to Special:Undelete when some revisions are excluded,
[23:06:10] <CIA-39>	 despite that showing all revisions may fail less than gracefully.
[23:06:15] <amidaniel>	Lemme remove the label altogether
[23:06:24] <Duesentrieb>	yea
[23:07:13] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: add a short comment as to why there is non. someone looking into accessibility might have the smart idea to add it.
[23:07:31] <amidaniel>	Bletch
[23:07:40] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28165 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: Actually, we don't even need a label here.
[23:09:30] <CIA-39>	03david * r28166 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: Show created date instead of modified.
[23:09:32] <CIA-39>	03amidaniel * r28167 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: 
[23:09:32] <CIA-39>	* Add comment about why we don't want a label here.
[23:09:32] <CIA-39>	* Break lengthy line
[23:09:51] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Would you mind double-checking my changes to Special:Undelete ?
[23:10:43] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: uh... i have never looked at that code, and i'm in the middle of refactoring database code for my dipola project... so... now is not the best time :)
[23:10:47] <amidaniel>	Had a fun time undeleting a 15,000 rev page the other day and decided Undelete needed a tune-up :)
[23:10:51] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Ah, okay :)
[23:11:13] *amidaniel 	is ascurred there are bugs in it that will get scapped that will cause him more embarassment :)
[23:11:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deleted revisions permission scheme is wacky - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12195  (10Platonides)
[23:14:30] <Administrator>	is there  Wiktionary or something?
[23:14:42] <Administrator>	is there Wiktionary API or something?
[23:15:07] <amidaniel>	Administrator: No API unique to Wiktionary, but there is a mediawiki api
[23:15:11] <amidaniel>	!api | Administrator 
[23:15:24] <amidaniel>	@seatch .*(?:api).*
[23:15:33] <amidaniel>	@search .*(?:api).*
[23:15:33] <mwbot>	Results: []
[23:15:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the Lower Sorbian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12181  (10Wikipedia)
[23:15:36] *amidaniel 	growls
[23:16:07] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: uh? non-capturing groups? why?
[23:16:31] <Duesentrieb>	also... tnhat fancy stuff does exactly the same as just typeing @search api :)
[23:16:37] <amidaniel>	!api is The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[23:16:37] <mwbot>	Successfully added keyword: api
[23:16:55] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Oh, shit, you're right :D .. I added that in didn't I :)
[23:17:10] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: I'm not grouping anywhere .. where do you see that?
[23:17:20] <Duesentrieb>	(?:api)
[23:17:36] <Duesentrieb>	that's a non-capturing group.
[23:17:43] <amidaniel>	Oh, woops :D
[23:17:44] <Duesentrieb>	very fancy.
[23:17:44] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28168 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (21 files): 
[23:17:44] <CIA-39>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[23:17:44] <CIA-39>	* ar, be, bg, cs, el, fo, frp, gl, hr, hsb, hu, is, ja, nl, no, qu, sdc, sk, stq, sv, wuu
[23:17:48] <Administrator>	is it free?
[23:17:51] <Duesentrieb>	completely useless :)
[23:17:56] <amidaniel>	Administrator: Yeah, it's built in
[23:18:04] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Indeed, but it makes me look smarter than I am :D
[23:18:09] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[23:18:44] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: the API factoid doesn't make clear that it's a web api, btw. to be trendy, add REST somewhere :)
[23:20:10] *amidaniel 	growls
[23:20:22] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: I just copied the first two sentences from the mw.org page :)
[23:20:26] <Administrator>	so if i want to have something like http://ninjawords.com/ what should i download?
[23:20:32] <amidaniel>	(and made them agree gramatically)
[23:20:42] <pd>	Duesentrieb: thanks heaps for your help, it's really making a big difference
[23:20:47] <amidaniel>	Administrator: You don't need to download anything. Simply navigate to api.php
[23:20:58] <pd>	can you tell me how to determine category levels?
[23:21:21] <Administrator>	is there a turorial how to do it?
[23:21:37] <Duesentrieb>	pd: no, because there is no such thing really. a category can have multiple "parents", on different levels.
[23:21:48] <Duesentrieb>	Administrator: he just linked to it, no?
[23:21:53] <Administrator>	i am new to that kind of stuff. but i know html, css, php
[23:22:12] <Duesentrieb>	pd: mediawiki doesn't even prevent you from creating cycles in the category structure
[23:22:36] <Duesentrieb>	Administrator: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[23:22:59] <amidaniel>	!api | Administrator 
[23:22:59] <mwbot>	Administrator : The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[23:23:10] <Administrator>	ok
[23:23:26] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: the "post changes" bit is still vapourware, right?
[23:23:38] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: yup :)
[23:23:50] <amidaniel>	Well, I think we got rollback going on trunk didn't we?
[23:23:52] *amidaniel 	looks
[23:24:06] <aBSDaemon>	Anyone familar with MWBB?
[23:24:10] <pd>	Duesentrieb: that's nasty
[23:24:18] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: no.
[23:24:29] <Duesentrieb>	pd: depends on your pov
[23:24:30] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Nope, it's all querying and login in trunk
[23:24:44] <Duesentrieb>	thought so
[23:25:09] <pd>	pov?
[23:25:16] <pd>	point of view
[23:25:18] <pd>	ah
[23:25:31] <Duesentrieb>	pd: make a root category, recursively query content of each category. build a tree.,
[23:25:36] <Duesentrieb>	if you want that, you can do it :)
[23:25:44] <pd>	is there a way we can get the strings of the namespaces?
[23:25:56] <pd>	hmmm
[23:26:12] <Duesentrieb>	yes... well, depends on who is "we"
[23:26:24] <pd>	haha, sorry I mean myself
[23:26:27] <Duesentrieb>	there's a way for external programs, and one inside mediawiki. and one for programmers
[23:26:42] <pd>	I can do an SQL query direct to the database if I know which fields to query
[23:26:46] <Duesentrieb>	programmers look into Defines.php, at the NS_XXX constants
[23:27:15] <Duesentrieb>	code in mediawiki/extensions uses the Namespace class
[23:27:26] <Duesentrieb>	external programs use the SiteInfo block of an xml dump
[23:29:45] <aBSDaemon>	well that didn't work.  
[23:30:23] <aBSDaemon>	I guess I really should run php_info to see if it's calling from PHP4 or PHP5...
[23:30:35] <pd>	thanks, got the namespaces definition
[23:30:44] <pd>	definitions
[23:30:51] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: mediawiki > 1.6 will not run with php4
[23:31:22] <aBSDaemon>	Well it's running, and PHP 5.x is installed
[23:32:00] <aBSDaemon>	It's just that the server has both PHP4 and PHP5 installed.  And the error message I get is common when things are programmed for PHP5 and run on 4
[23:32:21] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28169 10/trunk/extensions/ (16 files in 16 dirs): 
[23:32:21] <CIA-39>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[23:32:21] <CIA-39>	* Fixes and additions to 16 extensions for ar, bg, hsb, no, wuu
[23:32:21] <Administrator>	is there any free script that uses wiki api?
[23:32:27] <Administrator>	so i can see the way it works
[23:33:21] <aBSDaemon>	Well, removed the & from the varibable, script doesn't return an error, but doesn't install the datatables either...
[23:33:39] <amidaniel>	Administrator: Just about every bot and script running on wikimedia
[23:33:39] <aBSDaemon>	Where's the .SQL when you need it...
[23:34:25] <amidaniel>	Administrator: Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lupin/popups.js
[23:34:43] <amidaniel>	Administrator: And you really should change your nick before the freenode staffers k-line you :)
[23:35:44] <Skizzerz>	yeah, that wouldn't be fun
[23:36:46] <wikifun>	?about uploads. my php ini file has large max values and memory values. my LocalSetting is configured to allow all sorts of uploads and to not verify mime types. I can upload a large quicktime file or pdf (over 25 megs) but when I try to upload a flv about 12 megs I get Allowed memory size of 52428800 bytes exhausted in sanitizer.php. This install in on Ubuntu 6.06? any other ideas?
[23:37:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PHP Strict Standards issues with formatMetadata, getDimensionsString, delete, purgeCache, newFromTitle - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12202 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (siebrand)
[23:37:31] <amidaniel>	wikifun: What is your mem max?
[23:37:37] <wikifun>	128M
[23:37:52] <aBSDaemon>	found the SQL file....
[23:37:56] *amidaniel 	prays this isn't a public server :)
[23:38:27] <wikifun>	no.. right now just trying anything to get this working.
[23:38:28] <amidaniel>	I seem to recall php having some maximum thresholds that couldn't be overridden by php.ini
[23:39:28] <wikifun>	this is on a dev server. I have been searching for several hours trying anything I can think of or find.
[23:39:31] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: memory limit is (re)set in LocalSettings.php. check that
[23:39:50] <Duesentrieb>	(this should be changed to never lower the limit...)
[23:40:05] <wikifun>	On my OS X test server with the mediawiki dir mirrored, and the same values for php.ini it woks fine. I can upload all day.
[23:40:54] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: hm... what kind of file your you uploading? 
[23:40:58] <amidaniel>	wikifun: Check your LocalSettings and then .. how much user is allocated to your user acct on the current server?
[23:41:03] <amidaniel>	Could be an actual physical OOM
[23:41:09] <wikifun>	Duesentrieb.. I did. the odd thing is that some file types like mov will upload fine.
[23:41:38] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: ha, yea... so it's probably some mime checking code that uses a lot of memory.
[23:41:44] <amidaniel>	wikifun: That could be due to compression / better handling of the file / better use of caches and memory, etc.
[23:41:47] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: try using an external mime detector
[23:41:53] <Duesentrieb>	!mime | wikifun
[23:41:53] <mwbot>	wikifun: For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection>
[23:42:17] <Duesentrieb>	try $wgMimeDetectorCommand = "file -bi";
[23:42:18] <amidaniel>	Ah, or actually, since we don't have specific handler for that file type, it likely has to check every byte of the file to determine its mime type
[23:42:30] <wikifun>	I even turned off type detection with $wgVerifyMimeType = false;
[23:43:01] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: it might, if it thinks it could be a text file. it's not so much determining the type, but looking for nasty script bits.
[23:43:20] <amidaniel>	Yeah, indeed.
[23:43:22] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: don't do that. it's a bad idea, and doesn't do what you want probably.
[23:43:46] <wikifun>	Um, I did not think it was a good idea, just trying anything,. :-)
[23:44:10] *amidaniel 	suggests wikifun take a sludgehammer to the server to see if that helps :)
[23:44:18] <CIA-39>	03siebrand * r28170 10/trunk/extensions/AjaxShowEditors/patch-editings.pg.sql: PostgrSQL script by anonymous (http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension%3AAjax_Show_Editors&diff=69312&oldid=64638)
[23:44:19] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: iirc, it will always do the mime check. it has to write something into the db. you only disable it complaining about mismatches between type and file extension
[23:44:28] <Duesentrieb>	also... the script detection is always on
[23:44:31] <Duesentrieb>	it's hardwired.
[23:45:53] <wikifun>	ok... I will do some more mime type research.. that must be where the issue is. As other much larger files will upload with out issue.
[23:46:15] <amidaniel>	wikifun: What is $wgMimeDetectorCommand set to?
[23:46:33] <wikifun>	it's not
[23:47:25] <amidaniel>	wikifun: Then set it to "file -bi"
[23:49:19] <wikifun>	amidaniel. will do, but I did not have the mime_magic init issue, so I did not add that before
[23:49:44] <aBSDaemon>	helps to turn Mod_rewrite off
[23:53:30] <Duesentrieb>	wikifun: well what type of files do not upload without issues?
[23:53:47] <Duesentrieb>	you willprobably always have issues with huge text-ish files.
[23:53:59] <Duesentrieb>	because they are examined in full.
[23:55:02] <wikifun>	does mediawiki examine text in pdf?
[23:55:15] <Duesentrieb>	not sure. probably
[23:55:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Show log of previous moves when moving a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12203 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (gtisza)
[23:55:47] <Duesentrieb>	i think it does it for all mime types that start with "text/" actually :)
[23:55:52] *Duesentrieb 	wrote that cruft years ago
[23:56:05] *Duesentrieb 	thinks the mime detection stinks
[23:57:31] <Duesentrieb>	haha, yea
[23:57:33] <Duesentrieb>			if (strpos($mime,'text/')===0) $chunk = file_get_contents( $file );
[23:57:42] <Duesentrieb>	that's your problem right there :)
[23:58:13] <Duesentrieb>	a wuick hack would be to remove that, and let it only check the first KB for all kinds of files.
[23:58:24] <Duesentrieb>	hm.... 1K is not very much. it should probably be more like 16K
[23:58:45] *Duesentrieb 	adds it to position 1327455 of his todo list
[23:58:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[23:59:26] <ajnewbold>	can you put conditional statements into templates?