[00:00:00] can i ask you a question? I'd link your opinion before filling a bug [00:00:28] Yep. [00:00:31] what do you think of having a magic work giving the section number of the section the word is used on? [00:01:04] I was trying to implement a css+template hack to hide edit links in certain sections [00:01:27] Well, you could do it with JavaScript. [00:01:43] which RSS reader for mediawiki could one recommend? anybody happen to be using an RSS reader on their site? [00:01:48] like the references section, which contents are not editable by editing that section [00:02:34] and templates, to allow adding headers to templates withougt getting people to edit the template instead of that section in the page [00:02:35] Waldir: It should be easy with JavaScript. [00:02:40] hum... [00:02:42] how? [00:06:25] Waldir: Sorry, someone knocked. :) [00:06:55] Waldir: You'd generate a list of sections on the page, determine the content of each heading, and if it matches the criteria you'd remove the edit link. [00:08:09] Pathoschild so... I'd add this script to something like common.js, and then call it from my template? [00:08:38] i mean [00:08:43] forget the template part [00:09:05] Yes, without the template part. (Although, if you'd like, you can set it to only trigger if a template is present.) [00:11:16] is there any way to get a plain text diff (not html - like a unified or context diff) [00:11:49] might be possible via the API [00:13:16] Pathoschild actually, I'd like not having a specific criteria. what if someone used "notes" instead of "references"? but this isnt the mains reason. Probably what I'd like is not to hide edit section links, but tweak them. [00:13:21] any format really (an ed script is the only text diff format I can think of that wouldn't be at least marginally useful) [00:13:53] of course, on the references example, I'd want them removed, but in the second case (when a template has headings inside it), I'd want to change the edit link [00:14:06] to use the current page instead of the template page [00:14:53] Waldir: All is possible with JavaScript. :) [00:14:59] Pathoschild I know :D [00:15:11] but I'm still learning ^^ [00:15:49] so, how do i change edit section links if these are part of a template code? [00:16:20] is transcluded text wrapped in a special div, or what? [00:16:35] Yep. [00:16:43] hum, cool :D [00:17:01] The script can find the edit links easily (they have a class). [00:17:27] If you want to customize display or text with a template per-section, that's a little harder but not particularly difficult. [00:17:55] i know, editlinks. so i find an element with that class, then check if it is inside a "template" div (or whatever it is called) and then change the element's content? [00:18:45] specifically, the 'href' attribute of the 'a' tag that's inside the span. am I right? [00:19:12] Ah, I see what you want to do. If a section is inside the template, change the edit link so you edit the page instead of the template? [00:19:19] YESSSSSSSS :D:D [00:19:23] precisely that ^^ [00:19:52] that's why i needed the section id xD [00:20:28] i was doing this in a higher level, and thus the need of a magic word :p [00:20:52] but if hacking the code works (and I know how to do it), great :) [00:21:32] Well, that's easy. Just wrap templates containing sections with a class, iterate over elements with that class on page load, and change every edit-section link that are children of those elements. [00:22:21] yes but then every template with sections would have to be manually set to use that class [00:22:32] Hm. [00:22:41] you could find edit links that don't point to the same page you're on [00:22:48] Well, you could iterate over every edit-section link, and change any that don't point to the current page. [00:22:55] ...what Random832 said. ;) [00:22:58] lol [00:24:07] still doesnt look solid enough 4 me.. i mean, someone could fool this system hard-coding a into the page [00:24:17] of course, this is an extreme example, but my point is [00:24:57] arent there other ways to produce edit section links that dont point to the page, without using sections inside templates? [00:25:06] Waldir: no. [00:25:19] you can make a link, but it won't look the same [00:25:30] the link itself won't have the same class, since it'd be an external link [00:25:38] mmmm [00:26:17] well, that can be fixed via js :P [00:26:41] ok but why not, instead of checking if they point to another page, checking if they're inside a "template" div? [00:26:43] Skizzerz_Away: yeah, but if he runs his js _first_ [00:26:50] :P [00:26:56] Waldir: I don't think there is a template div. [00:26:56] Waldir: there is no "template div" [00:27:01] lol [00:27:06] templates don't have to be block-level, or even well-formed [00:27:16] i though you said that, I must have misread you :) [00:27:26] many templates routinely use an open tag with another template with a close tag [00:27:40] I see... [00:28:10] ok so how do i check if a link points to another page? [00:28:26] hover over it [00:28:31] With Javascript, just check the link href. [00:28:42] the link destination should appear somewhere in your browser (generally at the bottom) [00:29:23] g2g [00:29:29] ciao people [00:29:41] thanks Pathoschild and Skizzerz_Away for your help [00:29:41] if(!link.href.match('title=' . wgTitle)) { ... } [00:29:46] Welcome. [00:29:48] no doubt i will be back in the future for more! mwahah [00:30:43] Pathoschild I'll give it a try :) [00:31:40] Pathoschild: wouldn't getting all elements in an array, then running a for loop with what you had above be more effective? [00:31:46] *all a elements [00:31:59] yes i was precisely thinking about that :p [00:32:09] Skizzerz_Away: That's what I said, but running over the elements with the proper section. [00:32:24] *Skizzerz_Away must have missed that comment, sorry [00:32:28] :) [00:33:10] ...how to get all elements marked "editsection" in an array [00:33:54] Waldir: wikibits.js has a function to getElementsByClassName, if you're using a recent version of MediaWiki. [00:34:01] my js has had better days :( [00:34:01] getElementsByClassName or getElementById (or is it ID, not sure) [00:34:14] Skizzerz_Away: Nope, it's ClassName. :) [00:34:34] Pathoschild yes, but, does that return an array with all such elements? [00:34:40] *Skizzerz_Away is guessing class, so var sections = getElementsByClassName(document, 'div', 'editsection'); [00:35:13] Waldir: Yep. [00:35:13] Skizzerz_Away actually they're spans, not divs :) [00:35:23] Pathoschild ah this makes things easier :D [00:35:26] w/e [00:35:45] then, run a for(i=0,i er, semicolons in the for, not commas >_> [00:36:18] Skizzerz_Away: What's that for? [00:36:25] to check each element in the array [00:36:41] Oh, I didn't notice you named it sections. ;) [00:36:45] :P [00:37:09] we're even then :) [00:37:11] Skizzerz_Away come on, you're writing all the code for me :P [00:37:23] that isnt fair xD [00:37:28] :P [00:37:40] I'm not writing ALL of the code, just the base structure ;) [00:38:02] sure, and leaving me with the bugs only :( [00:38:28] :) [00:38:33] that way i get all of the worst part and none of the best part of programming. I hate debugging so much :p [00:38:43] well, I don't know exactly what you want to do... [00:38:44] Waldir: Hire a developer. :p [00:38:51] (but i must admit it is such a great feeling when i correct a bug :D) [00:39:16] (don't hire me... every other attempt at js I take ends in nothing happening... even though the code is technically correct and bug-free) [00:39:23] Skizzerz_Away thank god, that way i can do some things myself xD [00:39:32] :) [00:41:37] the 'a' tag is inside the "editsection" span. can I refer to it and its url as sections[i].a.href? [00:42:33] I don't think so [00:43:06] you'd have to use the Child thingies (like firstChild) [00:43:08] firstChild? [00:43:18] ah lol u said the same i was thin king :p [00:43:24] *thinking [00:43:39] but test to see if it's an a first... perhaps a loop that checks all the children of the element [00:43:47] i was just going to do that ;) [00:43:54] but I'm pretty sure it is [00:44:53] it is, but there's a '[' before it. does that count as a child? :s [00:45:36] why is the default interwiki table overloaded with crap? [00:45:47] ... :| [00:45:58] Waldir: what's the code? [00:46:13] damn i just closed the window xD [00:46:18] :P [00:46:23] window or tab? [00:46:41] [editar] [00:46:54] the "view code" opens in an other window ;) [00:47:00] Why not just section.getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href? [00:48:06] Pathoschild I dont think looping all links in a page would have an impact on performance, but it isnt an elegant code, is it? [00:48:17] since i am only interested in the edit section links, that is [00:48:27] ... [00:48:35] you have raw HTML enabled? [00:48:37] section.getElementsByTagName('a')[0] will get the first 'a' element in section. :) [00:48:57] Skizzerz_Away: He wants to change the automatically-generated section edit linking, no? [00:49:12] Pathoschild still didnt get your idea.. :s [00:49:29] Skizzerz_Away: raw html? what do you mean? [00:49:44] well, you were using , is this source code or wiki code? [00:49:52] Waldir: Actually, a typo (which may be what's confusing you): section[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href? [00:50:06] Pathoschild AAAAh xD [00:50:11] sure :P [00:50:14] :D [00:50:40] Skizzerz_Away i just hit view » source code in my browser xD [00:50:44] ah [00:50:51] *Skizzerz_Away thought you were typing the wiki code :P [00:51:23] sorry, i thought you wanted the html :s [00:51:39] *Skizzerz_Away gets confused [00:51:43] lolol [00:52:12] Skizzerz_Away but what code did you want, then? [00:52:23] no, i just was wondering [00:53:02] lol [00:54:06] now, assuming var link = sections[i].getElementsByTagName('a')[0].href; [00:54:19] ok [00:54:27] would the replace code start like link = link.split(link.indexOf("title=")) + ... [00:54:29] ? [00:54:44] sorry i havent coded js in a while :s [00:56:43] Pathoschild I just reread your typoed code, and, well the typo couldnt justyfy my confusion. :$ I misread you again :( [00:57:26] actually, i didnt misread you, i read it too fast xD [00:59:32] Waldir: No, you'd just do if(!link.href.match('title=' . wgTitle)) { link.href = link.href.replace(/title=[^\?&#]/,'title=whatever'); } [00:59:45] ah, regex :P [00:59:54] You might also want to check and remove the §ion parameter, depending on what you're doing. [01:00:03] *Pathoschild wanders off to eat supper. [01:00:19] Pathoschild thanks!.. [01:00:36] Welcome. [01:00:42] :) [01:00:57] Waldir: Use .contains instead of .match though .. that may cause you some unpredictable problems :) [01:01:22] amidaniel thanks, will do :D [01:01:30] Waldir: (Also, in the replace pattern I gave, add a + after the [character class].) [01:01:57] character class? [01:02:36] Use /title=[^\?&#]+/ [01:02:56] so that's the name of that square bracket thing :p [01:03:05] Yep. :) [01:03:10] (i learned regex in portuguese) :P [01:03:29] :) [01:03:48] dont die of hunder :P bon appétit! [01:03:52] *hunger [01:04:06] Merci. :) [01:04:54] Waldir: Vous de même, quand vous mangé prochainement. ;) [01:05:05] (so, in js the dot is a concatenator too) [01:05:21] slavie|away I dont speak french that proficiently :s [01:05:31] "You too, next time you eat. ;) " [01:06:08] oh ok prochainement.... that's proximamente in portuguese xD [01:09:33] henna, hi :) [01:18:18] How would i go about doing this, i want to create a template that goes on the articles talk page and adds it to a category and then on a seperate page i want to inculde a list of the category contents but the main article not the talk page [01:21:11] p858snake: JavaScript. [01:21:59] what about just listing the contents of the category? [01:24:30] !dpl | p858snake [01:24:30] p858snake : The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [01:30:18] is there a "previousSibling"? [01:30:57] btw, slavie|away, i though u were away :p [01:32:00] *AmiDaniel_away notes that we |away and _away folks are often liars [01:32:07] xD [01:32:22] Waldir: Yes, it's .previousSibling. ;) [01:32:23] AmiDaniel_away can you answer my question? :D [01:32:31] ah ok :D [01:32:32] *AmiDaniel_away is away :) [01:32:37] AmiDaniel_away lool [01:32:38] :D [01:35:19] slavie|away, http://rafb.net/p/bPmxph97.html [01:35:25] hellp [01:35:29] *hello [01:35:31] this is how the code looks right now, what do you think? [01:36:03] Waldir: Just to be picky, use "var i". ;) [01:36:28] lolol [01:36:29] It's technically faster, though you'll never notice the difference. :p [01:36:35] ok :D [01:37:11] i'm trying to make a template with optional parameters. i copied something from wikipedia, which doesnt seem to work in my freshly installed wiki. do i need to active an option or install an extension to get this to work? the conditional command looks like this: {{#if:{{{2|}}}|< {{{2|}}}|< '''{{PAGENAME}}'''}} and is displayed as it is in my wiki, but right in wikipedia [01:37:38] !templates | Alp- [01:37:38] Alp- : For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions and HTML Tidy. [01:38:13] Waldir: "sectionSpans[i].nextSibling[0];" [01:38:15] slavie|away: thank you, i'll dig thought that [01:38:29] Waldir: Shouldn't nextSibling return a reference to a single element? [01:38:52] i was trying to refer to its value :$ [01:39:02] should i just append .value? [01:39:09] It doesn't have a value; it returns an element. :) [01:39:24] ie, if you alert it, you should get something like "[HTML element]". [01:39:25] i wanted the element's content [01:39:52] sectionSpans[i].nextSibling.value ? [01:39:57] it's something like Parser Functions [01:40:26] i wanted the "Parser Functions" string. i get that using value, then=? [01:40:29] *then? [01:40:35] I think so. [01:40:37] :) [01:40:41] i was unsure [01:41:11] "if(tocNames[j] = sectionName)" will always return true, no matter the value. [01:41:27] then i also have to compare if(tocNames[j].value == sectionName) [01:41:31] You're telling the JavaScript to make tocNames[j] = sectionName, then check if tocNames[j] = sectionName. :) [01:41:34] lol i forgot the double == xD [01:41:37] Yep. :) [01:42:05] and then, sectionNumber = tocNames[j].previousSibling.value; [01:42:27] You could just generate another array with getElementsByClassName(document, '*', 'mw-headline'); [01:42:54] sectionSpans[x] should be for sectionTitles[x], since they're always in pairs. [01:43:15] hum [01:43:25] then i wouldnt have to loop through it [01:43:26] :D [01:43:28] :) [01:44:10] yes, because it's an assignment [01:44:14] rather than a test for equivalence [01:44:29] and the return value of an assignment is the value that was assigned [01:44:55] which, incidentally, means it will return false if sectionName is false [01:45:14] Waldir: Also, "link.href = link.href.replace(/section=[0-9]+/,'section=' . sectionNumber . )" will break the links, since it will incorrectly assign it an edit number as if you could edit that section on the page. [01:45:47] (Which will actually edit the next section on the page itself, if I remember correctly.) [01:45:51] oh yea :S i totally forgot about that [01:46:00] :( [01:46:15] Just remove the section altogether. :) [01:46:36] i wanted to make it possible to have the heading in the template (so they could be generated dynamically) but still dont have to edit all the content of a page [01:46:54] And the last dot there will probably make your JavaScript crash with a "expecting string at line..." or some such error. [01:47:08] Hm. [01:47:30] It's not possible as far as I know. [01:47:39] yes, yes of course i get it :( [01:47:59] oh well [01:48:04] no perfect solution [01:48:20] You could make it edit the first parent of that section. [01:48:42] ...well, the only parent. [01:48:54] nah, that's rough. [01:49:07] Better than editing the whole page. :) [01:49:29] actually, the page i had in mind has a section whith templates that is nearly the size of the whole page [01:49:48] in fact thats the reason i converted its sections into template calls, to reduce duplicated code [01:50:19] i'll keep the code, anyway. maybe someday i'll need it :) [01:50:33] but for now, i'll just hide the section edit links :) [01:50:55] :) [01:51:02] which I already did, actually... lol [01:51:07] thanks for the exercise :D [01:51:19] and the french lesson xD [01:51:27] Welcome. :D [01:51:34] i'm leaving (again) :p bye [01:52:07] *slavie|away waves. [01:52:58] slavie|away: thanks. ParserFunctions was absolutly what i needed [01:53:13] Welcome. [01:53:47] now i search the extension that displays input help at the bottom of the input textarea. on wikipedia there are severeal clickable links for special character or wiki-instructions [01:56:32] Alp-: It's an interface message (pages starting with "MediaWiki:"), with the character insertion done by the charinsert extension. [01:56:44] !extension [01:56:46] !extensions [01:56:46] MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [01:57:08] slavie|away: thanks again [01:57:19] Welcome. [02:41:56] which extension makes this nice category trees? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Contents [02:43:20] Pathoschild, still there? [02:44:17] is there a way for a user to view eg wikibits.js from within its wiki? [02:54:39] well the weather cleared up so time to go and get fit [02:55:54] hooray [02:56:52] Alp-: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree [02:58:17] Shinjiman: thx, just found it too [03:06:22] hi, Shinjiman [03:06:55] my javascript keeps looking like http://p.caboo.se/125270 [03:07:07] even when I put it in with " and everything [03:11:34] hello, i was wondering if there was anyone here who would be able to answer a couple of questions about wiki, and webpages, for someone who is only slightly above being clueless? [03:14:02] Sera18: go ahead and ask [03:14:48] ok, id like to create a website similar in format to wikipedia - something that allows for input and editing by others [03:15:30] ok [03:15:52] i have bought and registered a domain name, have bought hosting, and have downloaded mediawiki which is a .tar.gz file, but appears as blank and cant open it [03:16:23] unix or windows hosting [03:16:49] Sera18: have you studied http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation [03:16:50] ? [03:17:17] im not sure, how can you tell the difference [03:18:01] you'd probably be better of with a hosting provider that installed mediawiki for you [03:18:15] via a web-based dashboard or something [03:18:25] oh ok [03:18:35] so its pretty complicated then [03:18:43] for a first timer that is [03:18:57] read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation [03:19:01] ok [03:19:07] it's not trivial if you've never used unix [03:19:16] one other question [03:20:14] can you upload a html file made in notepad to the site, does that or will that clash with the installed mediawiki? [03:21:05] !bom [03:21:05] For more information about the Unicode byte-order mark (BOM), please see . In short: Notepad loves it, PHP chokes on it. Get rid of it. [03:21:22] that's the issue with notepad [03:23:14] ok, so it's either one or the other really then [03:25:25] thanks for your help [03:59:26] 03(NEW) "/dmirror/http/en.wikipedia.org/w/" added to article text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12217 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (oq9pscb02) [04:05:07] 14(INVALID) "/dmirror/http/en.wikipedia.org/w/" added to article text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12217 +comment (10pathoschild) [04:07:12] does anyone here use x-chat? [04:09:51] hello? [04:11:11] illmasterc: i imagine x-chat has a IRC channel if you're looking for support [04:11:23] 03(mod) "/dmirror/http/en.wikipedia.org/w/" added to article text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12217 (10oq9pscb02) [04:11:36] I'm new to IRC [04:11:51] and apparently whatever you put in for the channel either works, or starts a new one.... [04:12:12] I kept signing on and I'd be the only one in the room [04:12:38] join #xchat [04:13:07] no, I know I was putting in the wrong add for mediawiki [04:15:31] does anyone have a good resource as to the entire cycle of mediawiki serving a page? [04:15:42] diagram / layout? [04:17:30] ooh, there's a good one somewhere... one sec... [04:17:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Mediawiki-database-schema.png [04:18:23] that's db schema... [04:18:33] thanks, and how come you're the only one saying anything on here? [04:19:38] a lot of people idle / lurk [04:19:47] i'm sure someone's reading this right now besides you [04:21:28] ha, yeah... [04:21:42] Okay, how familiar are you with the software? [04:21:54] i can answer basic questions [04:23:13] I would like to get a good understanding of how it's all stitched together [04:23:18] there are a shitload of files though [04:23:22] what's your advice [04:23:39] read mediawiki.org [04:24:10] having a tough time navigating to the bootstrapping, or whatever it's call [04:24:11] e [04:24:11] d [04:25:48] if you have particular questions, you're free to ask; someone will probably answer; if you just want to know more about mediawiki, the best thing to do is to play with / explore the software and read the documentation at mediawiki.org [04:26:45] yeah, that's what I've started this past week [04:26:52] thanks for the help [04:27:07] no problem [04:27:13] how do you use it? [04:27:28] what do you mean? [04:27:47] do you develop with the software, maintain it, or just use wikipedia like all of us [04:28:02] i run a couple of wikis for personal use [04:28:11] and use wikipedia [04:31:08] any body know if there's a hook equivalent to MonoBookTemplateToolboxEnd for the end of the language box? [04:38:15] 03werdna * r28193 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): [04:38:15] * Assign rollback permission to ALL logged-in users by default. This seems to be sensible, given that "undo" can already be done almost as quickly, and that rollback can now be rate-limited. [04:38:15] * This change has been discussed with Brion Vibber and Tim Starling, and I have received no substantive objections from the users on the English Wikipedia. [04:39:40] WHee. [04:40:30] What are you WHeeing at. [04:40:45] Rollback being assigned to all registered users, silly. <3 [04:42:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29&diff=176091361&oldid=176075649 [04:42:08] let the violence begin. [04:46:20] well [04:46:29] that means less slow inefficient JS rollback stuff [04:46:45] my javascript keeps looking like http://p.caboo.se/125270 - even when I put it in with " and everything [04:47:27] indeed :) [04:48:12] *AaronSchulz stares down flaggedrevs.sql [04:48:24] *AaronSchulz stabs the shitty undeletion system [04:56:37] does maintenance/dumpBackup.php work with PostgreSQL? [05:05:17] aomarks: I don't see why it wouldn't. [05:31:08] 03(mod) Use transclusions to count articles as well - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11868 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [05:54:19] So umm... the download links are all not working. [05:55:05] Which would those be? [05:55:16] Specifically http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.11/mediawiki-1.11.0.tar.gz [05:58:05] Yeah .. looks like benet and biruni (which service download.wikimedi.org) are down [05:58:34] JeLuF: ping [05:59:54] Kryptos: Do you know how to use subversion (svn)? [06:00:36] I haven't downloaded MediaWiki to be able to SVN it to begin with. [06:00:54] No, subversion is a way to get mediawiki :D [06:01:04] Here, let me get you a tarball [06:01:05] Just a sec [06:03:56] Oh, woops .. you wanted 1.11 .. hehe .. another sec ... [06:09:25] . . . [06:12:07] I'm having trouble downloading mediawiki [06:12:15] Join the queue [06:12:30] Ok, problem for everyone and not just me? [06:12:33] I'm getting a tarball up on the ts .. it'll be another minute or so [06:12:39] mark: Are you around? [06:12:45] Even the Sourceforge link is outdated. [06:13:38] mark: If you get a free sec, the apache on download.wikimedia.org appears to have died. [06:16:17] Kryptos et al.: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/REL1_11.tar.gz [06:16:38] download runs lighttpd, not apache :) [06:16:40] thanks :) [06:16:47] and the entire box seems to have died [06:16:52] flyingparchment: Meh, what do I know? Care to fix it? :) [06:17:00] i can't from here [06:17:04] *amidanie1|away knew there was another admin in here he could ping [06:17:06] Aww :( [06:17:09] Why is 1.11.0 triple the size of 1.9? [06:17:49] Prolly because there's more localization in 1.11 [06:18:08] probably because he included the .svn directory [06:18:11] ;) [06:18:24] Aha, that would do it :D:D [06:18:26] *amidanie1|away fixes [06:19:11] *amidanie1|away should have known something was up when it took 8mins to upload .. even at a 20kbps connection [06:19:26]