[00:02:01] "surplus data" like what? [00:02:53] i have to do this by memory coz im not at the machine atm, but 8 or 9 additional spaces and one more binary char [00:03:47] so it's [00:03:53] 03(NEW) Deleting Talk Pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12224 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (placebo.wiki) [00:03:55] jpg x [00:04:07] instead of jpg [00:04:15] o_O [00:04:20] lol exactly ;) [00:04:21] that looks extremely odd. [00:04:36] is this for fresh uploads? or did it happen for stuff alread in teh database? [00:04:45] with stuff in the db already [00:04:49] and is the x actually part of the data, or did you add it to show the blanks? [00:05:08] no it just show 9 or 10 binary zeroes i thing [00:05:10] think [00:05:16] ah [00:05:28] mysql does this in some cases when converting text tables [00:05:31] but in mysql it shows as spaces [00:05:39] makes sense [00:05:48] happened to me with some mysql 4 -> 5 migration [00:05:50] major fuckup [00:06:07] the strange thing this happened after a maintenance reboot [00:06:22] traditional sql used to pad text fields with spaces. which is somehow "smartly" maintained in "some" cases in mysql [00:06:37] however collation may have changed [00:06:38] strange? why? did you look what the maintenance was? [00:06:41] an mysql upgrade, perhaps? [00:06:46] yeah i moved the server ;) [00:06:58] no shutdown -> move -> poweron [00:07:01] and copied the database? [00:07:06] on the machine [00:07:10] ah [00:07:13] hm... odd. [00:07:16] no idea, actually. [00:07:17] well on the san [00:07:20] ask in #mysql perhaps [00:07:28] and checkl if this also happened to other text fields [00:07:32] like... page titles? [00:07:40] but that would cause way more trouble. [00:07:43] the thing is the field is varbinary32? [00:07:55] could be [00:08:44] bit odd for a file extention record but then i dont know what the considerations where for using the type ;) [00:09:09] no more than a sql hack :p [00:09:25] oh well ill try n struggle along tomorrow [00:09:27] no idea why it's not varchar. the distinction is kind of blurry, too. text types in mysql are odd. [00:09:48] actually, I defined that field at some point. but i really don't remember if i made it varbinary back then, or why := [00:10:01] hehe [00:10:05] it *should* not make a difference. and padding should not happen *especially* if it's binary [00:10:32] if it has no repercussion ill try and convert to an editable form in mysql [00:11:02] makes manual fixing easier, but still puzzled why it would pad those chars [00:11:25] worked for 4 months without trouble [00:11:48] and otherwise ill submit it bugzilla [00:11:51] in* [00:11:54] no clue, sorry. [00:12:00] no problem ;) [00:12:07] converting to varchar or char should not cause any trouble [00:12:13] always make a backup, though [00:12:19] yeah [00:12:21] this might be interesting as context: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2006/11/27/trailing-spaces-in-mysql/ [00:12:32] not sure if this is really it, but i had problems ith it before [00:12:43] ah thats good info ;D [00:13:24] also, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/binary-varbinary.html [00:13:41] "When BINARY values are stored, they are right-padded with the pad value to the specified length. The pad value is 0x00 (the zero byte)" [00:13:49] but: "For VARBINARY, there is no padding on insert and no bytes are stripped on select." [00:14:07] mm strange [00:14:48] oh will be an interesting one tomorrow ;) [00:14:53] :) [00:14:57] try #mysql too [00:15:10] yeah will do -) [00:15:24] i think i will get some sleep first [00:16:46] ok well thanks for the effort anyways :D nite! [00:17:42] nn [00:24:45] how does Special:MergeHistory define a mergable revision? [00:26:15] AaronSchulz: you around? [00:59:46] is there any way how to search in full sources, not only in texts? [01:01:57] hm? sources like what? [01:06:27] sources like eg. html tags/attributes and their values, css values, text within comment borders... [01:08:40] hm, that depends on how much gets stripped before indexing. but generally: no, there is not "real" full text search. it would be insanely slow. [01:08:55] you can run a LIKE query directly on the database, of course [01:09:12] if you don't use compressed/externalized storage, like wikimedia does [01:09:47] well, i actually need to dig in wmf projects ;-) [01:13:21] Danny_B: then dig through a dump. [01:13:43] Danny_B: it's relativelys heasy to hook a custom handlet into mwdumper, for example. [01:14:08] *Duesentrieb thinks about adding a "grep mode". [01:14:41] .oO(man, i really can't type today) [01:43:56] hey i'm trying to install mediawiki 1.11, and i'm getting this error: [01:43:57] Warning: main() [function.main]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/convertLinks.inc) is not within the allowed path(s) [01:44:00] what do I tell my site admin? [01:46:54] nevermind, found it in the faq :\ [01:46:56] *kenners5 shame [01:54:43] 03(mod) Identifier needed for MediaWiki generated pages in page source - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11988 (10oq9pscb02) [02:52:41] 03(NEW) influencing the BiDi algorithm to clearly distinguish between the signature and the date and time - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12225 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (gangleri) [02:52:41] 03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745 (10gangleri) [03:07:55] 03(mod) New special page to display all pages created by a user - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10730 +comment (10voyagerfan5761) [03:14:25] 03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20add=20=C2=AB=20id?=="wpTextbox1" =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB=20to=20the=20=C2=AB=20textare?= =?UTF-8?Q?a=20=C2=BB=20at=20=C2=AB=20?=[[special:Upload]] =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12226 (10N/A) [03:14:26] 03(mod) facilitate syntax for BiDi editing (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4357 (10gangleri) [03:17:17] i installed the category tree extension [03:17:55] is it possible to change the default behaviour for normal category pages? i want to let him show the pages as well (not only the categories and subcategories) [03:18:11] changing the parameter in LocalSettings.php has no effect [03:18:34] CAT works as expected [03:19:10] $wgCategoryTreeDefaultMode = CT_MODE_PAGES; [03:19:31] possible or not? [03:46:51] 03amidaniel * r28234 10/trunk/extensions/GiveRollback/GiveRollback.page.php: Load user data using User.load() rather than User.loadFromDatabase(). [03:47:48] wow... just finally fixed that? o.0 [03:48:51] I just got told about it :) [03:50:34] no ideas? [03:54:09] Alp`: you're talking about CategoryTree? [03:54:22] MZMcBride: yes [03:54:49] you read: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree ? [03:56:17] MZMcBride: i did, but maybe not careful enough? [03:56:28] what are you trying to do? [03:57:49] the categorytree extension replaced my default category page output. instead of the subcategories alone i can click on a plus sign for seeing their subcategories in a tree output [03:57:51] which is good [03:58:07] but i want also the pages in that subcategories to be shown [03:58:27] which doesnt work in category pages, but work well with the tag [03:59:04] oh, so you want to change the behavior of the Category: pages? [03:59:13] yep [03:59:31] i set $wgCategoryTreeDefaultMode = CT_MODE_PAGES; [03:59:33] well that's much harder than changing the behavior of the extension :/ [03:59:42] but this doesnt seem to have an effect on Category: pages [03:59:58] hm why? [04:00:29] the current extension changes the behavior of Category: pages? [04:02:33] yes [04:02:46] it has ajax capabilites now [04:04:28] hmm, well the extension's author is on IRC pretty regularly [04:04:34] i suggest talking to him [04:04:47] ok, thats great [04:05:03] in this channel? [04:05:15] yep [04:06:01] aah i think i found it [04:06:13] there is another variable.. didnt see it: $wgCategoryTreeCategoryPageMode [04:07:31] it works :) [04:07:40] dont know why i didnt found that before [04:07:46] thx anyway :) [04:09:06] yep [04:19:28] 03(mod) increase legibility in textareas, input fields etc. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12227 (10gangleri) [04:21:57] 03simetrical * r28235 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Exception.php: Make it a little clearer in the code that we aren't using STDERR outside command-line mode, by inlining a one-line function that was only called once in the code base. [04:33:33] anyone here? [04:34:28] !ask | comphappy [04:34:28] comphappy: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [04:34:57] :( ... guess i scared him off [04:35:07] back [04:35:18] what's your issue? [04:35:25] i have been fighting to get email confirmations to work [04:35:43] i finally got smtp configured on my server with postfix and it works [04:36:02] but when media wiki sends an email i get Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. [04:36:09] but the email is sent [04:36:17] and works just fine [04:37:12] was that clear? [04:40:04] is this a wiki issue or postfix conf [04:44:03] MZMcBride:? [04:45:27] e-mail's not really my area of expertise; where is the error coming from? the mediawiki interface? [04:48:40] yeah [04:48:49] on the create account page [04:50:38] I guess i will just have to tell my users to ignore it, but that is not optimal [05:15:35] 03david * r28236 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (LqtModel.php LqtPages.php): Show summaries of redirect destinations in archive view for moved threads. [05:20:08] having slight issues [05:20:45] www.linux-gps.org, i've set it up for php5, and when i go to the index.php5 it works [05:20:54] however, www.linux-gps.org doesn't [05:21:59] SmallR2003: most likely, you need to tell the webserver to use index.php5 as the index file [05:22:09] (you might try renaming index.php to something else and see if that works) [05:22:28] it doesn't [05:22:36] in fact, it blew up in my face :p [05:22:52] apparently .php5 calls .php [05:23:02] oh, yeah, you'll need to edit index.php5 too [05:23:36] stupidly i decided to go with godaddy because it was very cheap and i guessed that something large couldn't be too bad [05:24:00] cheap php hosting usually sucks in a more ways than you might have thought possible [05:24:15] precisely >.< [05:25:40] flyingparchment: we're using dreamhost - endless problems of the php and other varieties [05:26:30] being a small non-profit org i have no money >.< [05:53:35] hey does anyone know if there's a vector / portable image of just the [[ ]] in the mediawiki logo? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/b/bc/Wiki.png [06:53:58] is there a way to make a new user in phpbb each new user there is in mediawiki? i can see a way to integrate mediawiki in phpbb, but not the other way round [07:00:36] Hello everyone. I recently installed MediaWiki 1.11.0 so that I can test pages before I upload them to Wikipedia, but I have a problem. [07:00:59] The #if construct in templates such as Template:Quote does not work. [07:01:19] !parserfunctions | mumia-w-19 [07:01:19] mumia-w-19 : "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [07:01:35] oh, okay, thanks :-) [07:01:46] mumia-w-19: you could just test pages in your wikimedia userspace [07:02:12] is there a way to do what i suggested? [07:02:47] Yes, but I use dialup; that would require me to be online for a *long* time (hours). [07:03:22] SmallR2003: write a new authplugin (or extend the existing one) [07:03:52] mmmn, i want to auth phpbb with mediawiki, not the reverse [07:04:09] then you should ask a phpbb channel [07:13:39] I take it that #if is a parser function that I have to download and manually install into my MediaWiki 1.11.0 system--right ? [07:14:37] you have to install ParserFunctions, #if is part of that [07:14:52] ParserFunctions is an extension? [07:15:04] yes [07:15:14] thanks , flyingparchment [07:30:56] i've just upgraded a mediawiki from version 1.3.9, and my uploaded images are in numbered directories rather than hashed a/b/ab.jpg format -- how can I convert that? [07:32:11] Thanks Raymond and flying-parchment; you guys are heaven :-) I got #if working it seems. [07:32:38] mumia-w-19: you are welcome. and have fun with the extension :) [07:32:45] thanks [07:44:41] kenners5: are you sure they hash didn't just happen to produce numbers instead of letters? [07:44:50] it's a hex hash, so it uses 0-9 and a-f [08:06:38] i'm looking for some simple coding help changing a template [08:12:31] <_wooz> lo [09:13:31] 03nikerabbit * r28237 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Pager.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): * Added new pager-{older,newer}-n messages for chronological paging (bug 4777) [09:28:48] *Werdna waves [09:35:04] uga [09:42:38] hello Duesentrieb [09:42:43] it appears that I have stuck a nerve. [09:43:04] Werdna: indeed. [09:45:05] Werdna: i'd suggest to keep the status quo everywhere unless requested otherwise (while still changing the default for fresh installs). Advertize the new feature - the german wp may be interested. [09:45:10] 03werdna * r28238 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): * Only mark rollback edits as minor if the user can normally mark edits as minor. [09:45:40] Brion and Tim support me on it.. I think that it will work fine. [09:47:06] Werdna: Brion and Tim are not the local community. Their responsibility is to make sure thinks don't break on a technical level. Policy decisions are to be made be local community. [09:48:02] Local communities never decide anything. [09:48:31] My change has been made. It is up to Brion and Tim to determine how it will be rolled out across wikis. [09:49:28] then i suppose it would be wise to makre them aware of any opposition [09:50:25] i think is's very unwise to try to push such a thing on the community - this supports the feeling of "techi despotism". [09:50:50] FWIW, I agree with Duesentrieb, and I'd think it best to revert the changes to defaultsettings for the time being [09:51:37] While I agree with your, Brion's, and Tim's opinion on the purpose of rollback and on who should have the right, there's clearly dissent, and many are interpreting this as quite the slap in the face [09:52:14] well, i'm not opposed to the defaults changing - but local settings should be set in a way to keep the status quo unless there's a community decision that sais otherwised. [09:52:21] i'm also personally in favor of the feature [09:53:03] however, I also feel that it's important to maintain some level of "separation of powers" here. the community decides which features it wants. [09:53:32] if there is opposition, don't disragard it. that is disrespec [09:53:44] ...disrespectful. [09:53:46] Sure. One problem, however, is that it's quite difficult to determine exactly *who* the enwiki community is. [09:54:16] I'm not at this time convinced the community at large opposes enabling rollback, but I'm also not convinved they support enabling; thus why sticking to the status quo would be a good course of action [09:55:33] yes. that's the "backwater" problem. [09:55:58] ask somewhere prominente. and: advertize, but let people come to you if they want it. [09:56:12] features are something to be offered. if it ain't broken, don't fix it. [09:56:56] Advertising things doesn't work very well on Wikipedia. It generally just causes any shred of rational conversation to dissovle into bickering and lynchmobs. [09:57:17] that's their own damn loss, then. [09:57:28] heh, a fair opinion :) [09:58:12] also, it's not quite true. often things are uncontroversial and quickly gain support. [09:58:13] It would be really nice if you could take Wikipedians out of the mob, explain the argument on both side to them, and ask for an opinion on the matter. Unfortunately that's proven next to impossible on most issues. [09:58:21] FlaggedRevs being a point of fact [09:58:50] They have to be *really* noncontroversial to gain enwiki support though :) [09:58:59] the problem is that controversial discussion rarely lead to a rational conclusion. but especially in case of controversy, the decision of the community (or lack thereof) should be respected, imho [09:59:17] enwiki is conservative [09:59:22] Very. [09:59:39] FlaggedRevs will have to be working well on dewp and a few more wikis until enwp considers them. [09:59:45] so be it. i don't care. [10:00:19] It's just unfortunate that the most prominent wiki is the one that seems caught in a constant state of stalemate. [10:01:23] When we have to spend months screaming at each other over whether the {{spoiler}} tags should be deleted or not ... [10:01:26] *amidaniel|away sighs [10:01:27] true. but i don't think a (however benevolent) dictatorship of the tech-folks will make this any better. [10:02:39] Meh, I see it as a fifty-fifty. There's a fairly good chance that just enabling rollback in the middle of night will lead people to the conclusion that "Hey, it's not that bad an idea." There's also the possibility that we'll have a Marie Antoinette situation. [10:03:40] the strongest oponents will not notice it - they are admins [10:03:54] yes, that was my thought [10:03:58] Definitely. [10:04:00] i don't hink there's a good chance for this working. not with the spirits already boiling wrt this. [10:04:28] Yeah, probably not. [10:04:48] i think it's extremely unwise to blatently ignore opposition. [10:05:09] I gave them three days to show why I shouldn't make it [10:05:18] If I get some time this weekend I'll try to write up a detailed appeal / explanation to see if I can sway some of the opponents. [10:05:19] I got nothing except vaguely-worded "I think autoconfirmed only" [10:05:25] especially in a situation where there already is outrage about a secret cabal thingy going on [10:05:52] we are no secret cabal. Everybody knows that we're an existing cabal! [10:05:53] Daniel Bryant, one of the more outspoken of the admins, seemed to relax his views after I talked to him today -- he just wants a way to hide the rollback link from Special:Contributions, which is quite feasible. [10:05:54] oops... [10:06:23] Werdna: what i read sonded very much like everyone was opposed to enabling it for new users. [10:06:27] If you say you're a cabal, though, you're not a cabal :) [10:06:36] Duesentrieb: yes, but I just see opinions [10:06:48] I don't see any facts and arguments being laid down on the table [10:06:58] the one I did see, quite a good point about minor edits, I fixed a few minutes ago. [10:07:01] Werdna: huh? what else do you want? [10:07:10] Duesentrieb: I think that's a misinterpretation. Those who are outraged have let their opinions known; those who aren't haven't really. [10:07:46] I want to see "I think this is a bad idea, because X will happen, and X is bad" [10:07:48] In any case, I think it best to just let the conversation continue naturally, and try not to cause any fuss :) [10:07:56] and I want X to be something likely to happen, and to be fairly bad [10:08:08] Werdna: I think quite a few good points along those terms have been made. [10:08:46] *amidaniel|away goes out for a smoke .. be back in a few [10:08:49] Werdna: the point is that they should not be required to convince you. it's up to you to conveince them, if you want to push that feature. the ultimate decision, on a policy level, is not, and should not be, yours. [10:09:06] anyway, i have to go afk for a few minutes. family duties :) [10:09:07] what could be fairly bad in a wiki? A troll running wild? That happens all the time. Restricting good users due to a few trolls? That sounds like our governments policy on inner security [10:09:17] I made a fairly decent prima facie case in my original post. [10:16:37] that's all good an well. i still maintain that it should not be pushed against opposition. the decision has to be made by the community. if they can't decide and get caught up in bickering, it's their own loss. enwp is only one of nearly 800 wikimedia projects. admittedly, the largest. but also the must stubborn and conservative, i guess. [10:16:56] it's not "their problem" [10:17:00] it's the world's problem [10:18:12] hm? with that argument, you could just go ahead and force anything one any project, just because you think it's "best for them". [10:18:25] this type of benevolentdictatorship is going to backfire big time. [10:18:35] that wasn't an argument [10:18:39] it was a lament. [10:18:54] It's not just the idiots who sit around and criticise crap all day's problem [10:18:57] heh. fair enough [10:19:02] it's also, you know, the people who want to use wikipedia's problem. [10:21:12] well... what i don't see is: why is it important to give rollback to *new* users? seems to me that some support could be gained for enabling it for autoconfirmed. [10:21:52] meh. could be changed in COmmonSettings.php [10:22:02] yes. [10:22:19] anyway: it's really a bad idea to give people the feelings that they are subject to the whim of the "tech gods". [10:23:02] indeed. but it is good to force change [10:23:23] No, no, it's not. [10:23:26] make them all warm and fuzzy about howmuch we care about what they want. or, actually, lets not talk to much about "them" and "us", because the distinction as such is harmul. and there isn't really any "we" or "them", theres me and you and somehow all of us. [10:24:00] indeed. Nobody's an enemy, but we can't pretend that we're not in different groups. [10:24:51] Werdna: forcing change... can help, but generally leads to unforseeable consequences. if you really go for it, you may be surprise with what change you did cause in the end. [10:25:01] *Werdna shrugs [10:25:09] Said Descartes, “It is nearly always better to tolerate their faults rather than to change them, in the same way that the principle paths which meander between mountains become gradually so smooth and convenient from frequent use, that it is much better to follow them than to try to travel more directly by climbing over rocks and descending to the bottom of precipices.” [10:25:20] :) [10:25:42] Werdna: my point is rather that these groups arn't really groups either. they are fuzzy sets of people with common interestes, more or less. [10:25:47] Yeah, but Descartes also invented the Ontological Argument for the existence of God, so he's hardly to be trusted on philosophical matters. [10:25:51] Of course. [10:26:04] but a set of people is a group [10:26:15] amidaniel|away: hehe, wisely put := [10:27:23] Werdna: yes. everyone is a memvber of a few thousand groups. it's irrelevant, if you put it that way. [10:27:49] Duesentrieb: Yup, much better than I could do :) [10:27:55] i, for one, am a member of the group that currently hang around on irc instead of getting Stuff Done (tm) [10:28:04] hehe [10:29:18] :p [10:29:57] Another good one, from someone who knows a lot about dictatorships: "It should be borne in mind that there is nothing more difficult to handle, more doubtful of success, and more dangerous to carry through than initiating changes in a state's constitution." [10:30:13] *Werdna rolleyes. [10:30:16] A quote proves nothing. [10:31:07] No, but the reasoning behind the quote does. [10:31:15] At least, I think so. [10:31:28] naw, it doesn't *prove* anything [10:31:45] Proof is in the eye of the beholder :) [10:31:52] heh [10:32:11] well yeah, but there's no reasoning in the quote. [10:32:13] *amidaniel|away wonders how a discussion about rollback evolved into a philosophical exploration of human nature [10:32:44] anyway... i need a decent way to make an xml dump of a category with subcategories. any hints, or should i get hacking? does dumpBackup.php (or mwdumper) take a page list as input in some mode? [10:33:36] Suggest you get hacking :) [10:33:52] *amidaniel|away meanwhile ought to return to his German essay [10:34:00] I would like to make an htaccess authentication before my wiki auth : ideally, this would use the wiki login/passwd : is it possible ? I've found the passwd are stored in [BLOB31-B] : what's the mechanism ? how can I use it ? [10:36:56] Burps: you can't use it, it's hashed. [10:37:38] Burps: you can do it the otehr way around: use http-auth, and let the wiki trust the login that was performed that way. however, you can not change the password via the wiki, then [10:37:47] there's an authplugin implementation for simple http aout [10:37:55] !auth [10:37:55] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AuthPlugin [10:38:20] thx, I'll check that [10:38:41] Burps: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HttpAuth [10:39:36] Burps: however - why do you want to use httpauth at all? [10:43:57] Hiya Duesentrieb, we spoke last nite about the binary padding of the minor mime types, i partially resolved it by changing the type to varchar and converting the fields [10:46:10] Duesentrieb : 'cause I have better trust in the apache auth ? Plus, I don't want anybody else than the regular user even have access to the wiki homepage [10:46:41] sp00n: congrates. err, why "partially"? [10:46:49] also, still unclear why it happens, right? [10:46:55] Burps: whatever floats your boat :) [10:47:38] yeah well im getting somewhat closer when enabling the ImageMagick option the mimetypes are set to unknown/unknown [10:47:57] when disabling it does work ok, but no thumbs ;) [10:48:19] new english expression learned; thx Duesentrieb :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whatever+floats+your+boat [10:48:23] i've tested my imagemagick on my php seems to work [10:49:25] does media wiki fall back on gd if imagemagick is not present? [10:49:45] yes [10:50:00] uh... when do you get unknown/unknown? [10:50:07] try using external mime detection [10:50:08] !mime [10:50:08] For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult [10:50:08] when i upload new images [10:50:20] ah will check that out now :) [10:57:51] hi all [10:58:47] hiya [10:59:04] can someone tell me why the download of the german dump files is not availible? or am i blind? ;-) [10:59:15] heh.. sore point [11:00:16] i meant the german wikipedia xml dump file... [11:00:21] tried adding file just now didnt seem to work, tried disabling mimetype detection all together (uploading a plain .jpg) [11:00:33] didnt fly either [11:01:01] wondering if im adding those options to the right include [11:01:12] these go into Localsettings.php right? [11:08:36] Duesentrieb : I'm back to my httpauth question : in the solution you proposed me, I need to have a .htaccess file with all of my users, right ? no way to avoid that ? [11:37:48] hmh [11:38:14] isn't the status quo to use default settings unless otherwise requested? [11:48:39] Hi there [11:58:36] 03huji * r28239 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding translation for pager- messages, and yourvariant. [11:58:38] Are the tabs in media wiki (monobook) sorted alphabetically? [12:00:08] 03huji * r28240 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Adding pager- messages to the list [12:05:30] Nikerabbit: the status quo is, pre definition, the thigs as they currently, effectively, are. [12:05:55] 03huji * r28241 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Rebuilded [12:06:12] no [12:07:04] no? to me or to Asga? [12:07:32] Asga [12:07:32] anyway... Asga: no. [12:07:35] ah :) [12:07:41] lol thanks [12:08:21] Well i added a new tab and it is first tab in row.. so [12:08:53] TimStarling: did you notice the discussion about the rollback stuff? there seems to be some outrage about techi dictatorship. [12:08:59] Asga: added it how? when? where? [12:09:22] Ah [12:09:29] just local [12:09:41] yes. [12:09:43] trying to write an extension for university [12:09:52] how did you add the tab? [12:09:58] ah well [12:10:09] Duesentrieb: no I have not seen the discussion [12:10:11] i tried the code which is in the faq ;) [12:10:42] it's not surprising though [12:10:54] but i removed this unset command because i don't want to remove the discussion tab [12:10:55] so [12:10:56] I told Werdna that he had to get the community on board [12:12:06] TimStarling: there seems to be disagreement about what "on board" means, and how it is to be done. [12:12:11] I am a bit lost in the whole wikipedia code... so im just trying @ Duesentrieb [12:13:07] Asga: the code seems alright at first glance. i'm a bit confused myself about SkinTemplateContentActions vs SkinTemplateTabs [12:13:22] Asga: anyway - your problem is the position where your tab shows up? [12:13:25] Duesentrieb: where? [12:14:15] Yes... i don't know how to use wfMsg right so i just set the text to 'annotate' manually [12:14:27] TimStarling: well, there was some heated discussion on wikimedta-tech last night (~12 hours ago), and i talked to werdna here in the channel today (~4 hours ago). if you have logs... [12:14:45] and the tab shows up as first tab... [12:15:00] hi.. I'm having some troubles adding the pipe | in a template that uses loops... it don't recognize it [12:15:13] so not on-wiki then? [12:15:21] Asga: you can determine yourself where in $content_actions the tab is located. the order in that array should be the order the tabs show up. just add to the end of the array, i guess (i havn't messed with this in a while, though) [12:15:59] TimStarling: there was som on-wiki discussion, which was the basis of the omg techi dictatorz! i'll try to find the link. [12:16:10] http://www.wikilatin.netsons.org/latin/Template:Temp I have to replace the middle dot with a pipe... the {{!}} template doesn't work [12:16:38] ah well i'll try adding it at the and of the arry [12:16:46] 03huji * r28242 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Removing trailing spaces, performing a rebuildLanguage and making sure all newlines are in the same format (should fix bug 12170). [12:18:49] TimStarling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VPT#Rollback_for_regular_users (which was described as "quiet backwater" - and i wouldn't extactly call this "community support") [12:19:37] TimStarling: since then, this page poped up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Rollback_for_regular_users [12:19:41] havn't read it yet. [12:23:23] mmm, I see Werdna is throwing some names around [12:25:30] TimStarling: pm [12:33:05] 03rotem * r28243 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [12:34:41] well it works :) thanks Duesentrieb [12:34:50] yay [12:36:54] now i only need to find out why the tab is displayed when special pages are opened... (edit and other tabs are hidden) [12:38:04] Asga: because you always add it. [12:38:47] Asga: global $wgTitle; if ($wgTitle->getNamespace() == NS_SPECIAL) return true; [12:39:25] 03(mod) influencing the BiDi algorithm to clearly distinguish between the signature and the date and time - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12225 (10gangleri) [12:40:03] dwimm-operator :o [12:41:43] 03(mod) influencing the BiDi algorithm to clearly distinguish between the signature and the date and time - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12225 (10gangleri) [12:52:21] 03mkroetzsch * r28244 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/INSTALL: Added remark to run refershLinks.php after major upgrade. [12:54:48]