[00:05:18] <Duesentrieb>	skierpage: no.
[00:05:21] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28260 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ArchivedFile.php: Add more accessors
[00:05:57] <Duesentrieb>	skierpage: this, however, does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates
[00:08:11] <skierpage>	So MediaWiki is not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu ? ;-)
[00:08:12] <skierpage>	"# Every document can consist of any number of parts each of which may be of any data type.
[00:08:14] <skierpage>	# Every document can contain links of any type including virtual copies ("transclusions") to any other document in the system accessible to its owner."
[00:08:16] <skierpage>	40 years ago... !
[00:24:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[00:24:31] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[00:26:35] <DarthFredd>	Greetings, citizens.
[00:27:02] <DarthFredd>	I believe mediawiki has a pseudo-html tag which allows the selective hiding of large amounts of text
[00:27:16] <DarthFredd>	I thought it was <spoiler>, but that doesn't seem to be workig.
[00:27:46] <DarthFredd>	Can anyone help me?
[00:27:47] <DarthFredd>	:D
[00:37:26] <Duesentrieb>	DarthFredd: the english wikipedia has something like that once i think. it can be build using templates and/or some css+javascript trickery
[00:37:42] <Duesentrieb>	it's not a mediawiki feature, and i don't think there's even an extension for it
[00:37:51] <DarthFredd>	Huh, thought i..thanks then!
[00:38:18] *skierpage 	BSOD in fltmgr.sys, thank you Windows XP
[00:42:24] <slavie|busy>	DarthFredd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:spoiler ?
[00:42:42] <slavie|busy>	...oh, it's been deleted. :)
[00:42:49] <skierpage>	I lost my log, is there a bot on this channel that can /msg me last 1000 lines?  archivist maybe?
[00:43:26] <archivist>	Im not a bot
[00:43:33] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[00:44:08] <skierpage>	archivist, all the advanced bots say that.
[00:44:16] <archivist>	I run a bot but not in here
[00:57:39] <Aleksandrit>	hi all! I want to download the image in my wiki. Wrote: "File uploads are disabled on this wiki.". how to solve the problem?
[00:59:06] <slavie>	!uploads | Aleksandrit 
[00:59:06] <mwbot>	Aleksandrit : File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[00:59:53] <Aleksandrit>	thanks
[00:59:57] <slavie>	Welcome.
[02:06:02] <minosa>	someone here?
[02:06:07] <minosa>	test
[02:08:34] <slavie>	!ask | minosa 
[02:08:34] <mwbot>	minosa : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[02:09:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update self-transclude on preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11367  +comment (10itajsherman)
[02:09:08] <minosa>	yea, I just wanted to know if there is smbd
[02:09:40] <archivist>	thats a question for #samba
[02:09:45] <minosa>	http://cronous.aldarheaven.com/wiki/index.php5?title=User:Demyx
[02:10:10] <minosa>	now I can't figure out how to get the errors/not matching stuff out
[02:11:22] <minosa>	which command is it or isn't it even smth in my .css file?
[02:21:59] <CIA-6>	03david * r28261 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (Lqt.i18n.php LqtBaseView.php lqt.css): Different design for editedness marker.
[02:28:52] <p858snake>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ambox#Question_from_newbie <if i wanted to implement something like this on my wiki where would i place the css coding?
[02:34:20] <MrZ-man|on_break>	I believe it is in MediaWiki:Common.css
[02:35:34] <minosa>	what's the definition of the content table which you can use on articles on wiki
[02:35:43] <minosa>	the style definition
[02:40:26] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r28262 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[02:40:26] <CIA-6>	* Update Chinese translations
[02:40:26] <CIA-6>	* Update Cantonese translations
[02:40:26] <CIA-6>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[02:44:04] <minosa>	solved
[02:52:52] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r28263 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_cn.php MessagesKk_kz.php MessagesKk_tr.php): 
[02:52:52] <CIA-6>	* (bug 12145) Update Kazakh translations
[02:52:52] <CIA-6>	 Patch by AlefZet
[02:53:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10shinjiman)
[03:00:18] <CIA-6>	03david * r28264 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/lqt.css: Background-color on footer; improves look tremendously.
[04:07:40] <Landlord>	ok
[04:07:43] <Landlord>	how do i get rounded corners
[04:07:44] <Landlord>	; ;
[04:08:26] <Skizzerz>	use -moz-border-radius IIRC, although that only works on mozilla based browsers (like firefox)
[04:09:18] <MZMcBride>	there are other hacks, but they require some buffoonery
[04:10:11] <Landlord>	what about if it is from wikia
[04:10:38] <Skizzerz>	i dunno, which one?
[04:10:47] <Landlord>	www.husker.wikia.com
[04:11:10] <Landlord>	i run two wikis, on one i had a guy make me a rounded corner box on one that i have server access to (not sure if that is relevant), and i copy pasted that box to the wikia wiki and it worked, but i want to make an infobox with rounded corners and i don't know what code actually does that
[04:11:36] <Skizzerz>	there might be something in the Common.css file, did you check that?
[04:11:44] <Landlord>	no
[04:12:12] <Skizzerz>	although what's the class that's used? it might be skin css
[04:12:19] <Landlord>	man i have no idea
[04:12:47] <Landlord>	here's the common.css for the wiki that i copied the rounded corners box from
[04:12:47] <Landlord>	http://ffowa.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
[04:15:04] <MZMcBride>	doesn't appear to be in there
[04:15:43] <MZMcBride>	probably placed in an off-wiki file
[04:16:08] <MZMcBride>	for rounded corners, you're most likely looking for something that begins with -moz
[04:16:38] <Landlord>	ok
[04:16:54] <Landlord>	what am i looking to edit if i want to change the look of the wiki
[04:17:08] <Landlord>	or better yet, you probably can't help me but i really wish i could change my wikia default skin to monobook
[04:17:09] <Landlord>	:(
[04:18:54] <MZMcBride>	http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Change_Default_Skin_%28For_all_non-logged-in_users%29
[04:20:43] <Landlord>	that doesnt say how to do it -_-
[04:20:47] <Landlord>	only why people are doing it
[04:21:04] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r28265 10/trunk/tools/planet/pt/config.ini: fixing up config.ini
[04:34:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[04:36:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Use date format preference on unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10tony1)
[04:37:04] <MZMcBride>	two posts are better than one?
[05:05:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Number of articles in subcategories shown on category page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3834  summary (10webmaster)
[05:07:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uncategorized images should be Uncategorized files - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7793  (10webmaster)
[05:09:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) List all articles in a category - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4602  (10webmaster)
[05:10:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to not display [+] if no sub-category exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11132  (10webmaster)
[05:10:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) On paged categories, article totals and subcat totals are incorrect - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212  (10webmaster)
[05:13:39] <robert_>	how do I create wiki templates? :/
[05:14:40] <slavie>	!templates | robert_ 
[05:14:40] <mwbot>	robert_ : For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and HTML Tidy<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[05:15:09] <robert_>	oooh
[05:15:11] <robert_>	thanks :D
[05:17:47] <slavie>	Welcome. :)
[05:22:21] <robert_>	!namespaces
[05:22:21] <mwbot>	For help with understanding and manipulating namespaces, please consult <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace>. See also !extranamespace
[05:22:34] <robert_>	!extranamespace
[05:22:34] <mwbot>	To add a namespace, modify your LocalSettings.php file, and add namespaces via $wgExtraNamespaces. A comprehensive set of instructions for adding a namespace can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces>.
[05:25:46] <robert_>	slakr, http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Template:Infobox :/
[05:25:49] <robert_>	er
[05:25:50] <robert_>	slavie, http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Template:Infobox
[05:26:21] <slavie>	robert_: Yes?
[05:26:42] <robert_>	I think I need some kind of template extension
[05:26:50] <robert_>	because it's still treating it as a normal page
[05:27:12] <slavie>	No, it works for me.
[05:27:33] <slavie>	Edit the talk page, place "{{infobox}}" in the text, and preview.
[05:28:44] <robert_>	oh
[05:30:26] <robert_>	I see
[05:30:36] <robert_>	the css for the infobox is nonexistent.
[05:30:43] <slavie>	So add it. :)
[05:30:53] <slavie>	@search css
[05:30:53] <mwbot>	Results: [css, csshideheader, pagecss, refresh, skins]
[05:30:56] <slavie>	!css
[05:30:56] <mwbot>	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[05:31:01] <Shannie>	Don't be an ass slavie 
[05:31:08] <slavie>	Why~? :'(
[05:31:18] <Shannie>	You're not allowed.
[05:31:23] <slavie>	:'(
[05:32:58] <robert_>	that doesn't tell me where the style for infobox is
[05:34:13] <slavie>	robert_: It does. If you copied it from en-wikipedia, it's at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css .
[05:34:21] <MZMcBride>	you're stealing from wikipedia, i presume? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[05:34:25] <robert_>	ohh
[05:34:26] <MZMcBride>	jinx
[05:34:29] <robert_>	duh
[05:34:29] <robert_>	yeah
[05:34:34] <robert_>	I'm stealing from them :p
[05:34:51] <slavie>	:)
[05:38:51] <robert_>	http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Object_X:Design_Spec
[05:38:54] <robert_>	:/
[05:39:10] <CIA-6>	03shinjiman * r28266 10/trunk/tools/planet/pt/config.ini: removong BOMs
[05:46:19] <robert_>	hm
[05:56:35] <robert_>	crap
[05:56:54] <robert_>	I'm not allowed to embed wikitables within wikitables, am I?
[05:58:23] <robert_>	oooh
[05:58:25] <robert_>	awesome
[06:05:26] <robert_>	hm
[06:18:11] <robert_>	argh
[06:18:20] <robert_>	wikitables are annoying me to no end
[06:18:28] *MZMcBride 	listens to robert_ random grunts
[06:18:37] <robert_>	no input? :P
[06:18:49] <MZMcBride>	you know there's a help page for wikimarkup tables
[06:18:51] <MZMcBride>	?
[06:18:55] <robert_>	I'm trying to 'clone' Wikipedia's Infotable
[06:18:58] <robert_>	hm
[06:19:25] <robert_>	!wikitables
[06:19:30] <robert_>	!wikimarkup
[06:19:30] <mwbot>	For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing>.
[06:21:34] <robert_>	MZMcBride, where?
[06:21:43] <MZMcBride>	you're dealing with infoboxes or wikitables?
[06:22:10] <MZMcBride>	help with tables: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table
[06:22:26] <MZMcBride>	infoboxes, however, are an entirely different animal
[06:22:32] <robert_>	so I see
[06:26:24] <robert_>	is there a guide to creating infoboxes or something?
[06:26:47] <MZMcBride>	i don't think so; what issues are you having?
[06:27:02] <MZMcBride>	the best guide is looking at live examples on en.wiki or elsewhere
[06:30:38] <robert_>	yeah, I figured it out
[06:30:39] <robert_>	:D
[06:30:58] <robert_>	it wasn't behaving with the description box up at the top 
[06:31:06] <MZMcBride>	ahh
[06:31:09] <MZMcBride>	:)
[06:31:55] <robert_>	:)
[06:35:34] <MZMcBride>	robert_: by the way, answerable questions will usually get you more help than grunts :)  irc is notorious for plenty of randomness; people usually just ignore things they don't understand
[06:36:49] <robert_>	yeah I know
[06:36:58] <robert_>	I was just frusterated :p
[06:36:59] <robert_>	hm
[06:37:00] <robert_>	this is odd
[06:37:45] <robert_>	my table is incroaching on the <h3></h3> above it
[06:38:37] <robert_>	http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Object_X:Design_Spec
[06:38:37] <MZMcBride>	you can add style="padding-top:5px;"
[06:39:19] <robert_>	I tried that
[06:39:23] <robert_>	and nothing happened
[06:39:26] <robert_>	as you can see
[06:40:35] <MZMcBride>	don't use + for {{{InfoTitle
[06:40:46] <MZMcBride>	and switch padding-top to margin-top
[06:40:50] <MZMcBride>	should work then
[06:41:40] <robert_>	hm alright
[06:42:45] <kenners>	http://www.anime-kraze.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Imagelist << the (file) link is active, but the wiki itself doesn't recognize them... what sholud I do?
[06:44:30] <robert_>	nope
[06:44:50] <MZMcBride>	robert_: it works, i just tested it
[06:45:20] <robert_>	then why can't I see it?
[06:45:37] <MZMcBride>	i just did a show preview
[06:47:05] <robert_>	on the page it still hasn't moved
[06:47:08] <robert_>	http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Object_X:Design_Spec
[06:48:23] <MZMcBride>	robert_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride/Sandbox_3
[06:48:34] <MZMcBride>	kenners: looks like a rendering issue
[06:48:45] <MZMcBride>	(not to state the obvious or anything :) )
[06:49:14] <MZMcBride>	are you using imagemagick? is the directory for imagemagick properly configured in localsettings.php?
[06:49:38] <kenners>	obvious to some, but not to me! ;D
[06:49:53] <kenners>	i will find out, i took this wiki over from the previous owner who racked up 2gb of unwanted spam edits :\
[06:50:15] <MZMcBride>	ahh, you were on a couple nights i ago; thought i recognized the username
[06:50:32] <kenners>	^-^b
[06:51:55] <kenners>	oh, imagemagick is for png support, i guess?
[06:52:54] <MZMcBride>	hmm... i think so; can't remember exactly
[06:53:19] <kenners>	actually, it does thumbnail resizing, forgot to rtfm
[06:53:38] <MZMcBride>	!rtfm
[06:53:38] <mwbot>	Please search and read the manual of mediawiki at http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents before asking
[06:53:43] <MZMcBride>	heh
[06:53:53] <robert_>	awesome
[06:53:53] <amidaniel|away>	lmao
[06:54:08] <amidaniel|away>	The horrible things you teach my poor bot :(
[06:54:14] *amidaniel|away 	pets mwbot 
[06:54:46] <MZMcBride>	that one wasn't me :) though i think there are others...
[06:54:48] <MZMcBride>	!shit
[06:54:48] <mwbot>	Please be polite.
[06:54:54] <amidaniel|away>	:O
[06:55:22] <MZMcBride>	there's quite a rowdy bunch in #mwbot :D
[06:55:39] <amidaniel|away>	Oh my .. there are people in that channel :D
[06:55:50] <amidaniel|away>	Didn't know it got used at all :P
[06:56:24] <MZMcBride>	yeah a lot of back-end config to make it seem like the bot knows everything and the invoker is a bot-command expert :p
[06:57:01] <amidaniel|away>	heh
[06:59:35] <kenners>	anyway, we didn't have imagemagick before
[07:00:02] <kenners>	and my sysadmin is very picky -_-;
[07:00:06] <MZMcBride>	well my guess is that something in LocalSettings.php is screwing up the renderer
[07:00:22] <kenners>	could it be database related? i kind of hacked it together from a really old backup
[07:00:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add namespace parameter to inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5553  +comment (10webmaster)
[07:00:58] <MZMcBride>	hmm.. don't think so... the database knows where all the files are in the their specific directories and it knows who uploaded when
[07:01:31] <kenners>	okay
[07:01:37] <kenners>	*whew*
[07:05:07] <robert_>	hey MZMcBride- I'd like to scoot over the width of the left column, so the right has more room to breathe
[07:06:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) European squids down? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12235 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (caroline.ford.work)
[07:07:18] <MZMcBride>	robert_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride/Sandbox_3  though in reality, the columns will adjust themselves if more content is added in to the right-hand column
[07:08:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prefix option and parser problems with inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6640  (10webmaster)
[07:13:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Inputbox wont parse magicwords ({{CURRENTYEAR}}, etc) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12236 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (webmaster)
[07:13:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inputbox wont parse magicwords ({{CURRENTYEAR}}, etc) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12236  (10webmaster)
[07:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Prefix option for inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6640  summary; +comment (10webmaster)
[07:17:16] <monalisa_smile>	hey guys
[07:17:25] <kenners>	hay guys!
[07:17:28] <monalisa_smile>	anyone knows a mediawiki sites
[07:17:28] <kenners>	(hey :)
[07:17:44] <monalisa_smile>	that have a grphical design and background sound
[07:27:20] <enhydra>	monalisa_smile, graphical design is easily done by changing SVG, and background sound is the [censored]est thing in the world
[07:27:29] <enhydra>	*SVG->CSS
[07:27:44] <robert_>	how do I create a WikiLink to a user?
[07:28:02] <MZMcBride>	[[User:robert_|robert_]]
[07:29:21] <robert_>	do I need another plug-in to make stuff like that work properly?
[07:29:36] <MZMcBride>	oh no, that's part of the core software; it's standard wikimarkup
[07:30:09] <MZMcBride>	robert_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[07:30:26] <robert_>	thankies
[07:32:33] <FreeNom>	re
[07:34:37] <robert_>	MZMcBride, http://www.r-butler.net/wiki/Object_X:Design_Spec
[07:35:58] <robert_>	|descr1 = [[User:Robert]]
[07:36:02] <robert_>	is that right?
[07:37:07] <MZMcBride>	yeah that's right
[07:37:17] <robert_>	alright then
[07:46:16] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28267 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php SpecialMakevalidate.php): Random code cleanup
[07:48:38] <robert_>	can I have it such that members of my MediaWiki site can't edit their own profile? (they have to use a special MediaWiki area)
[07:48:46] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28268 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: opps
[07:51:03] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28269 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.pg.sql: *Correct copy-paste comment
[07:52:02] <robert_>	I'll have a Bot go update their profile link
[07:52:13] <robert_>	because it contains information they aren't really supposed to be editing
[07:52:22] <AaronSchulz>	robert_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection
[07:52:38] <robert_>	(if they have SVN access, which projects they belong to, etc.)
[07:52:41] <robert_>	woot
[07:53:23] <AaronSchulz>	the bot will need the right though
[07:53:53] <robert_>	yeah
[07:53:53] <AaronSchulz>	$wgGroupPermissions['userpagebot']['the right'] = true
[07:54:06] <robert_>	indeed =P
[08:04:23] <kenners>	ok, well
[08:04:47] <kenners>	http://www.anime-kraze.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Imagelist << the (file) link is active, but the wiki itself says "No file by this name exists, you can upload it."
[08:04:49] <kenners>	what should i do?
[08:05:17] <kenners>	MZMcBride suggested it was an imagemagick configuration problem, but i just installed and configured it
[08:06:18] <kenners>	though, i can't seem to upload files normally anyway, maybe they're related
[08:06:58] <kenners>	ah! Could not create directory "temp/d/d4". that one I can probably fix
[08:10:08] <Lustblader>	http://rafb.net/p/Pw647d68.html
[08:10:16] <Lustblader>	can some1 help me with this????
[08:13:21] <CIA-6>	03huji * r28270 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (In continuation of r28242 by brion): Removing unused messages from messages.inc and MessagesFa.php
[08:15:07] <Lustblader>	?
[08:16:02] <robert_>	crap
[08:16:12] <robert_>	StubManager makes my mediawiki install go blank
[08:16:16] <robert_>	I don't know why
[08:20:41] <Tim-away>	what is StubManager?
[08:20:59] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r28271 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[08:34:02] <robert_>	wtf
[08:34:02] <robert_>	Fatal error: Call to undefined method Article::getPreloadedText() in /var/www/extensions/GroupAccess/accesscontrol.php on line 205
[08:57:39] <Landlord>	how could i make a drop down menu on my sidebar
[09:17:58] <electron>	Is it possible to do {{{{{2}}}}} ?
[09:19:58] <Duesentrieb>	tra it and see
[09:20:10] <Duesentrieb>	try, even
[09:20:14] <Landlord>	how could i make a drop down menu on my sidebar
[09:21:07] <electron>	!wait | Landlord 
[09:21:07] <mwbot>	Landlord : Please do not repeat yourself too often, if little conversation has occurred since your last message then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You stand a chance of annoying people if you repeat yourself.
[09:21:26] <Landlord>	i repeated myself once
[09:21:28] <Landlord>	but yeah ok
[09:21:51] <electron>	Landlord: It probably isn't possible without manually editing the skin.
[09:21:58] <Duesentrieb>	right
[09:22:07] <Duesentrieb>	plus, for a dropdown, you'll have to rely on javascript
[09:22:12] <Duesentrieb>	which will not work for all users.
[09:22:32] <Duesentrieb>	(pure css dropdowns are possible - except in MSIE)
[09:23:01] <Landlord>	what would happen in ie
[09:23:05] <Landlord>	in alternative
[09:23:20] <Landlord>	www.halo.wikia.com <---- i'm looking for something like this
[09:30:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) add namespace parameter to inputbox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5553  +comment (10kellen)
[09:40:46] <_wooz>	lo
[09:42:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[09:44:52] <bango>	hey, how can i divide the create page so that ive got 4 Textfields with headline: Introduction,Tricks,warnings,steps
[09:45:10] <Landlord>	www.husker.wikia.com
[09:45:20] <Landlord>	my header image isn't displaying properly =/
[09:47:07] <bango>	?
[09:50:33] <bango>	how can i divide my create page in 4 sections ?
[09:50:49] <electron>	By extending the edit page class and overwriting various functions.
[09:52:31] <bango>	where can i find this?
[09:57:15] <Duesentrieb>	bango: i think it's possible to use the simpleforms extension for this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Simple_Forms
[09:57:29] <Duesentrieb>	it's a bit complex though. but not as complex as rewriting the edit page
[09:58:44] <Duesentrieb>	bango: anyway... by rewriting the edit page, or using forms, you may manage to get this working for page *creation* for *editing* existing pages, i can't think of a way to make it work. mediawiki stores a page as *one* text. you'd have to parse it apart first.
[10:00:30] <bango>	mhm do you know the page wikihow.com?
[10:01:17] <Landlord>	anyone familiar with wikia skins =/
[10:03:23] <Duesentrieb>	bango: i... think i talked to the guy who wrote this feature for that site :)
[10:03:48] <Duesentrieb>	bango: i think the page is just split at the headings, and filled into the individual edit boxes. this can easily get confused though
[10:04:05] <Duesentrieb>	and i'm not sure how you would do that in the contexet of internationalization
[10:04:39] <Duesentrieb>	bango: if you click "advanced editing", you get the traditional "flat" edit interface.
[10:04:46] <Duesentrieb>	bango: anyway... just ask the guy? 
[10:04:59] <Duesentrieb>	maybe he's even ready to release his hacks as an extension
[10:05:56] <bango>	at the moment it is no other extension available :/?
[10:06:11] <bango>	but how can i contact him :D
[10:07:50] <Duesentrieb>	there are lots of extensions available. search for them. i don't know of any that does quite what you want, though. which doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
[10:08:00] <Duesentrieb>	anyway - have you looked at Special:Version on wikihow?
[10:08:19] <Duesentrieb>	Special:Version lists all extensions - generally with author and a link to a description page
[10:08:26] <Duesentrieb>	it has, for example, this: CreatePage	Provides a basic way of using the advanced editor to create a page.	Travis Derouin
[10:08:37] <Duesentrieb>	(the page it links to doesn't exist though)
[10:09:26] <Duesentrieb>	here's the guy - wrote lots of extensions, apparently: http://www.wikihow.com/User:Tderouin
[10:09:39] <Duesentrieb>	bango: finding that info is just a few clicks...
[10:11:06] <bango>	ok
[10:14:13] <bango>	i will ask him
[10:23:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove closed-zh-tw from Special:SiteMatrix - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12229   +shell (10dungodung)
[11:27:42] <Landlord>	stupid question
[11:27:43] <Landlord>	style="width:100%;border:0px;text-align:center; background-color: #f6f6f6;" align="center" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
[11:27:50] <Landlord>	how do i change the border to 2px black
[11:28:01] <Landlord>	i have trouble with the simplest code =/
[11:28:33] <PunkRock>	how about border:2px;?
[11:29:23] <VasilievVV>	border: 2px solid black;
[11:31:03] <Landlord>	ugh
[11:31:27] <Landlord>	http://husker.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[11:31:31] <Landlord>	help with the left table =/
[11:31:35] <Landlord>	just a stroke is all! -_-
[12:08:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Search may return duplicate results - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12237 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (sco_scam)
[12:13:18] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28272 10/trunk/phase3/ (22 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:13:18] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[12:13:18] <CIA-6>	* an, be, bg, ca, co (new), crh-cyrl, crh-latn, cs, el, fi, fr, gl, id, kn, nl, qu, ro, stq, tl, wuu
[12:45:44] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28273 10/trunk/extensions/ (58 files in 56 dirs): 
[12:45:44] <CIA-6>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[12:45:44] <CIA-6>	* Fixes and additions to 56 extensions for an, bg, co, el, fi, hsb, nl, ro
[12:46:42] <CIA-6>	03vasilievvv * r28274 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:46:42] <CIA-6>	* (bug 943) RSS feed for Recentchangeslinked
[12:46:42] <CIA-6>	* Use $wgFeedClasses instead of hardcoding feed types in OutputPage.php
[12:46:42] <CIA-6>	* Introduce $wgOut->setFeedAppendQuery()
[12:53:23] <CIA-6>	03vasilievvv * r28275 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRecentchangeslinked.php: Fix a copy-paste bug
[13:04:27] <meithal>	hello
[13:05:24] <meithal>	there is a -moz-border-radius here http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css?view=markup which don't validate
[13:05:32] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28276 10/trunk/extensions/Todo/ (SpecialTodo.i18n.php SpecialTodo.php TodoForm.php todo.js): 
[13:05:32] <CIA-6>	* Adding i18n file (submitted by Bertrand Grondin)
[13:05:32] <CIA-6>	* EOL whitespace and indentation fixes
[13:05:32] <CIA-6>	* Add $wgExtensionCredits
[13:06:25] <meithal>	what is the purpose of multipageimagenavbox btw ?
[13:08:28] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28277 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): 
[13:08:28] <CIA-6>	* Add support for extension Todo
[13:08:28] <CIA-6>	* Rearrange extension sorting order to svn order
[13:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	meithal: i think multipageimage stuff is for djvu files, like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image%3AAlice_in_Wonderland.djvu&page=9
[13:20:25] <meithal>	indeed
[13:22:20] <meithal>	seems a nice feature though
[13:23:01] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28278 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesCo.php: Remove 2 messages mentioning Wikipedia missed on import/export
[13:36:39] <gcardinal>	Hi, is there a easy way to post RSS feeds as article in Wiki?
[13:38:44] <VasilievVV>	!feeds | gcardinal
[13:38:44] <mwbot>	gcardinal: Feed aggregator extensions: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:RSS_Extensions>. Feed generator extensions: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Feed_generator_extensions>.
[13:39:18] <gcardinal>	Thank you!
[13:41:29] <VasilievVV>	nvm
[13:48:59] <gangleri>	Hi all!
[13:55:27] <LegendRunner>	good morning
[13:58:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ProofreadPage: Automatically link to other pages for multipage PDFs and DjVus - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12238 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ProofreadPage; (ThomasBleher)
[14:04:17] <Filnik>	Hello
[14:10:41] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28279 10/trunk/extensions/Todo/SpecialTodo.i18n.php: Fix typo in message ID
[14:13:31] <gcardinal>	is there a big performance difference between 1.9.3 and 1.11.0 ?
[14:14:10] <electron>	Not really.
[14:14:40] <electron>	Only for really big sites, although most optimizations require $wgMiserMode.
[14:14:40] <gcardinal>	ok cool, then I will stick to 1.9.3
[14:14:57] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[14:15:01] <electron>	There are, of course, many new features in 1.11.0.
[14:15:10] <gcardinal>	my site have like 500,000 hits a day
[14:15:41] <Duesentrieb>	gcardinal: generally, newer versionms use more resources, so, if there's no big performance difference, that would be an argument *for* upgrading. your reasoning confused me :)
[14:16:14] <Duesentrieb>	1.12 is expetced to get a new preprocessor.
[14:16:19] <Duesentrieb>	it will be faster, but need more ram
[14:16:23] <gcardinal>	Duesentrieb current server pushed to the limit, uses 50-70% cpu all the time. with squid and apc
[14:16:43] <Duesentrieb>	gcardinal: do you have the db on the same box, or a different box?
[14:16:49] <gcardinal>	same box
[14:16:53] <Duesentrieb>	change that
[14:16:57] <Duesentrieb>	do you use memcached?
[14:17:03] <gcardinal>	yeah
[14:17:07] <gcardinal>	and squid
[14:17:13] <gcardinal>	localy in front of apache
[14:17:18] <Duesentrieb>	squid also on the same box?
[14:17:21] <gcardinal>	yeah
[14:17:25] <Duesentrieb>	change that too :)
[14:17:28] <gcardinal>	and its 1.6ghz celeron :)
[14:17:28] <Duesentrieb>	then you should be good.
[14:17:56] <gcardinal>	there just so much hardware you can get for 84$
[14:18:14] <Duesentrieb>	not sure if a *local* squid helps all that much... might just as well use filecache in that case. but then, i'm no webservice wiz, i jjust pick up stuff while hanging around the channeö
[14:18:34] <Duesentrieb>	heh, for 84$, its pretty decent i guess :)
[14:19:05] <Duesentrieb>	bu woth 500k hits per day... how about a fundraising run? 
[14:19:33] <Duesentrieb>	that's how wikipedia stays afloat (with a mind boggeling 50k hits/sec)
[14:19:33] <gcardinal>	failed big time... got my paypal closed as some guys send money not from their accounts
[14:19:40] <gcardinal>	in tottal got like 200$ for 3 month
[14:20:04] <Duesentrieb>	hm? someoe chated, and your account got closed?
[14:20:25] <gcardinal>	its suspended for now... so waiting for resolution.
[14:20:38] <Duesentrieb>	huh
[14:20:40] <gcardinal>	but I am not all about making my paypal account public again
[14:22:06] <Duesentrieb>	tell people to send you cash, then :)
[14:22:14] <Duesentrieb>	or better: hardware. whatever
[14:22:39] <gcardinal>	heh with most users below 18, any cash getting is hard
[14:41:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PATCH - Linker.php - different separators for autocomments - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12239 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[14:55:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a portal namespace for the Limburgish Wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12240 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (robin_1273)
[14:58:26] <electron>	Anyone know how to make a listed special page, I made a special page and it works, but it doesn't get listed.
[15:02:50] <TimLaqua>	!specialpages | electron
[15:02:50] <mwbot>	electron: For information on creating Special Pages, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages>
[15:03:08] <electron>	Thanky you.
[15:04:34] <TimLaqua>	np.  really, make sure you register w/ wgAutoloadClasses, wgSpecialPages, and in your class, call SpecialPage::SpecialPage("MyExtension").  if you throw a permission in the call to Specialpage::SpecialPage - it will be listed in the restricted special page area.
[15:04:51] <electron>	Trouble is, SpecialPage::SpecialPage( "ViewTable", "viewtable", true ); doesn't work.
[15:05:20] <electron>	And I'm registered with wgAutoloadClasses and wgSpecialPage.
[15:05:48] <electron>	Oh, irhgt.
[15:05:53] <electron>	That makes no sense.
[15:05:57] <electron>	pft
[15:06:11] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[15:06:20] <electron>	Fixed, thanks.
[15:06:25] <TimLaqua>	cool
[15:06:29] <electron>	Note to self: RTFM
[15:06:42] <TimLaqua>	the first time at least.  ;-)
[15:07:01] <electron>	:D
[15:46:47] <minosa>	How can I set group permissions
[15:47:51] <VasilievVV>	minosa: Special:Userrights
[15:48:01] <minosa>	thanks
[15:50:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please lock or.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12241 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (triyork)
[15:53:48] <robert_>	anyone have experience with BizzWiki?
[16:03:23] <electron>	Anyone know why "while( $row = $dbr->fetchObject( $res ) ) {" generates a class for $row instead of an array?
[16:03:45] <TimLaqua>	'cause it says 'fetchObject' not 'fetchArray' ?
[16:04:50] <electron>	hmm
[16:05:20] <electron>	How would I use a row object, since there is no fetchArray function.
[16:05:34] <TimLaqua>	say the column you want is user_id
[16:05:44] <TimLaqua>	$res->user_id
[16:05:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20action?== =?UTF-8?Q?render=20=C2=BB=20does=20not=20pr?= =?UTF-8?Q?eserve=20the=20directiona?==?UTF-8?Q?lity=20of=20pages?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12242  (10N/A)
[16:05:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10gangleri)
[16:06:10] <electron>	Cool, thanks.
[16:06:16] <TimLaqua>	np
[16:06:34] <electron>	Neato, I have my row headings!
[16:06:42] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[16:07:50] <electron>	Is there any documentation for that?
[16:07:57] <TimLaqua>	dunno
[16:07:58] <electron>	Or is it a case of reading the source code.
[16:08:04] <electron>	Fair enough.
[16:08:10] <TimLaqua>	I pry got it reading code.
[16:09:17] <stinkfly>	can someone help me with the loopfunctions?
[16:09:58] <stinkfly>	hi brownout
[16:10:03] <Brownout>	hi *
[16:11:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DoubleRedirects is incomplete - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12182  (10gtisza)
[16:13:40] <stinkfly>	does anyone know how to do loops on varibles passed through a template (loopfunctions don't work)
[16:34:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[16:35:48] <electron>	Is there a framework built into mediawiki to make << 50, 100 >> etc. easy?
[16:36:31] <Nikerabbit>	yes and no
[16:36:40] <TimLaqua>	extend QueryPage
[16:36:46] <Nikerabbit>	that's the yes part
[16:36:54] <electron>	What about the no part?
[16:36:56] *TimLaqua 	ignores the no part
[16:37:10] <electron>	:FD
[16:37:12] <electron>	*D
[16:37:15] <electron>	Thanks
[16:37:46] <TimLaqua>	electron I mage a useless/redundant extension the other day that extends QueryPage - look at StalePages
[16:38:14] <electron>	Cool, will do.
[16:38:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[16:38:47] <electron>	Well, I would if I hadn't just hung firefox loading 8,000 records.
[16:38:57] <TimLaqua>	indeed
[16:40:00] <electron>	Making extensions certainly gets you used to working with MediaWiki.
[16:40:43] <Dashiva>	You don't get the full Parser.php hacking experience, though :)
[16:40:53] <electron>	True, true.
[16:41:54] <TimLaqua>	sneak in while the parser isn't looking, add a hook, then run for your life.  ;-)
[16:42:06] <electron>	*g*
[16:43:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[16:43:36] <lleoliveirabr>	any brazilian?
[16:47:50] <TimLaqua>	ohloh is crazy.
[16:51:59] <electron>	uh
[16:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Implement interface to enable users to handle favorites in a simlar fashion as an ordered watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8378  +comment (10steinninn)
[16:56:26] <electron>	How irritating, the host for the website I'm working on are rejecting my connections on port 80.
[16:57:03] <electron>	Oh maybe not.
[16:57:04] <electron>	...
[16:58:23] <electron>	Does QueryPage only allow you to do stuff with lists, or could I concievably use it on HTML table rows?
[16:58:50] <TimLaqua>	well, you could use it on table rows
[16:59:07] <TimLaqua>	I believe.  look at the header function, the footer function, and the formatresult functions
[16:59:14] <electron>	Cool, thanks.
[16:59:19] <TimLaqua>	(guessing at the method names)
[16:59:42] <TimLaqua>	I didn't use all of them, looka t the core class in SVN
[16:59:49] <TimLaqua>	then guess'n check.  ;-)
[17:00:37] <electron>	I suspect closeList and openList.
[17:05:41] <Cometstyles>	;)
[17:05:53] <Cometstyles>	fridgid,  Peer doesn't like you too ;)
[17:05:56] <Cometstyles>	bah :S
[17:08:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edit form eats heading CRs on save/preview - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12130  (10thomasV1)
[17:08:59] <hashar>	hello
[17:09:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20main?=.=?UTF-8?Q?css=20=C2=BB=20?=( =?UTF-8?Q?=20and=20=C2=AB=20rtl?=.=?UTF-8?Q?css=20=C2=BB=20?=) =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20use=20the=20direc?= =?UTF-8?Q?tionality=20=C2=AB=20inherit?=? =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB=20for=20=C2=AB=20non=2Dtextua?= =?UTF-8?Q?l=20entities=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12243  (10N/A)
[17:11:21] <Benjie>	Why, when I reference two templates on the same page, do their tables merge into one? I have line feeds between them... I've even tried putting random text between them...
[17:18:35] <Dashiva>	Benjie: did you properly close the first table?
[17:18:57] <Benjie>	Dashiva, yes.
[17:19:26] <Benjie>	I've even tried wrapping it in a div, but now the div encompasses the whole page... :S
[17:21:33] <electron>	Can you give us a link to the pagE?
[17:26:58] <kenners>	what other reasons would i get errors like >> Could not create directory "public/7/79". <<
[17:27:09] <kenners>	besides permissions, since i've triple-checked them
[17:27:21] <kenners>	a php configuration setting?
[17:27:52] <Dashiva>	kenners: Sure the permissions are for the right user?
[17:28:00] <kenners>	well it's 777, it shouldn't well matter
[17:28:18] <Dashiva>	Sounds foolproof
[17:28:28] <kenners>	and insecure :D
[17:28:30] <Dashiva>	You aren't running in safe mode or some other nastiness by chance?
[17:28:50] <kenners>	I'm not the site admin, so i can't be sure -- how do I find out?
[17:28:56] <kenners>	would phpinfo() tell me?
[17:29:47] <Dashiva>	yes
[17:30:31] <kenners>	safe_mode On On 
[17:30:36] <kenners>	looks like I am
[17:32:19] <kenners>	this is probably why i was getting all of those open_basedir errors
[17:33:29] <Dashiva>	That would be a good bet
[17:33:54] <kenners>	well, assuming i can't change it
[17:34:33] <kenners>	i guess i have to go make sure things like 'mkdir' and 'cp' for copying files from the temp directory to the permanent directory actually exist
[17:34:47] <Dashiva>	You could try a .htaccess to disable it
[17:35:44] <kenners>	the site admin put in the .htaccess as root
[17:35:54] <kenners>	i have to ask him to change things x)
[17:36:35] <kenners>	oh! nevermind, it's owned by me. sweet.
[17:36:42] <kenners>	very unusual
[17:36:54] <Dashiva>	Looks like you can't disable it in there anyhow, though
[17:37:08] <Dashiva>	Would be a pretty big security hole if so :)
[17:37:13] <kenners>	true
[17:37:18] <kenners>	but i wonder if i can relax some settings
[17:38:22] <Dashiva>	Well, you could create all the a/ab type directories yourself
[17:38:22] <atharh>	Hi
[17:38:38] <Dashiva>	It's just two loops in a script
[17:39:42] <atharh>	I am building a wiki which will have around 50M articles. I am concerned about the scalability of MediaWiki. Can anyone help me regarding this? Thanks.
[17:40:02] <kenners>	Dashiva: that's only the first problem
[17:40:09] <kenners>	when i manually create the directory, i then get this:
[17:40:11] <TimLaqua_away>	you're concerned with the sacalability of MediaWiki?
[17:40:32] <atharh>	Hi TimLaqua
[17:40:38] <TimLaqua>	hi
[17:40:40] <Dashiva>	kenners: You probably have to make sure the directories are owned by the script too
[17:40:45] <atharh>	I am not sure if Mediawiki will be able to handle so many articles
[17:40:54] <atharh>	will the software slow down? 
[17:41:18] <TimLaqua>	everything slows down to some extent as the database grows
[17:41:28] <atharh>	what about the database queries? is the schema denormalized enough support excessive load 
[17:41:38] <atharh>	right 
[17:41:46] <TimLaqua>	though there are far better people to talk to regarding speed and efficency
[17:41:55] <atharh>	i see 
[17:42:12] <TimLaqua>	I'd reccommend tracking down TimStarling
[17:42:20] <atharh>	Cool. Thanks
[17:42:31] <TimLaqua>	or send a message to wikitech-l
[17:42:37] <TimLaqua>	that's pry the best way
[17:43:07] <atharh>	I think I will do that now :)
[17:43:26] <kenners>	hmm
[17:43:29] <kenners>	that might be a good idea
[17:43:33] <TimLaqua>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[17:47:04] <electron>	atharh: It scaled quite well on Wikipedia, over 150M pages - although admitidlly the database is huge and there are lots of machines behind it.
[17:47:31] <atharh>	electron: cool. which wiki are you running?
[17:47:40] <electron>	If you didn't have many users you could quite easily have 150M pages on your wiki on one server.
[17:47:56] <atharh>	i am looking at a very large number of users 
[17:48:12] <electron>	atharh: I maintain two wikis, one for my father - a genealogy wiki - and another for a project my father is involved with.
[17:48:15] <atharh>	more precisely, a large number of writes 
[17:48:33] <electron>	Well, if you have enough resources you won't have any trouble.
[17:48:40] <atharh>	I see 
[17:48:57] <atharh>	so basically design-wise, mediawiki won't hold me back
[17:49:02] <atharh>	right?
[17:49:17] <electron>	right
[17:49:21] <TimLaqua>	correct, it will not go down in flames.  ;-)
[17:49:27] <atharh>	:)
[17:49:28] <electron>	It could concivably expand infinitely.
[17:50:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20BiDi=20=C2=AB=20?=. =?UTF-8?Q?css=20=C2=BB=20error=20at=20=C2=AB=20Me?= =?UTF-8?Q?diaZilla=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12244  (10N/A)
[17:50:40] <electron>	Anyone know why the offset= part of the string is cut off in: $wgTitle->escapeLocalUrl( "offset=" . $offset-$limit . "&limit=$limit" ) ?
[17:51:00] <atharh>	Also, I have heard that mediawiki is not the easiest software to extend. Eventually the exercise gets messy. How true is this?
[17:51:10] <TimLaqua>	quite false
[17:51:13] <electron>	On the contrary.
[17:51:29] <atharh>	my unreliable sources :)
[17:51:30] <minosa>	why can't I apply margin and padding values to the h5 style (title font above the nav box f.e.)
[17:51:34] <electron>	It is quite adaptable via extensions.
[17:52:00] <atharh>	Yep. I did write a few of my own and it wasn't a big deal 
[17:52:19] <electron>	It Just Works!(tm)
[17:52:32] <atharh>	right
[17:53:11] <atharh>	Is it bad if I sprinkle my own wfRunHooks in the code?
[17:53:20] <Dashiva>	atharh: It's usually the other way around, people complain mediawiki has too much large-scale handling that bloats small wikis :)
[17:53:27] <electron>	atharh: Very bad :D
[17:53:38] <TimLaqua>	wfRunHooks is called all over the place
[17:53:42] <atharh>	awww. that's sad 
[17:53:53] <atharh>	that probably means that I am doing something wrong 
[17:54:01] <TimLaqua>	I'd say add them were you need them, but don't be excessive about it.
[17:54:11] <atharh>	Dashiva: yep that's true 
[17:55:05] <atharh>	Is there a way to make titles case-insensitive?
[17:55:11] <electron>	Yep.
[17:55:37] <atharh>	I came across this option that I could put in my LocalSettings.php but it din't seem to work for me, so i took out.
[17:55:51] <electron>	It works on Wiktionary, so it should work for you.
[17:55:56] <atharh>	hmm 
[17:56:01] <atharh>	i will look at it again 
[17:56:09] <minosa>	why can't I apply margin and padding values to the h5 style (title font above the nav box f.e.)?
[17:56:45] <TimLaqua>	minosa: where are you declaring those styles?
[17:56:59] <Cometstyles>	:|
[17:57:15] <minosa>	ion my own .css I've implemented
[17:57:30] <TimLaqua>	try appending the definitions with !important
[17:57:54] <TimLaqua>	h5 { padding: .8em !important; }
[17:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <references /> on a page doesn't list <ref> tags from included templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8693  (10webmaster)
[17:58:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10webmaster)
[17:59:33] <Dashiva>	Heya, 2257
[18:04:34] <minosa>	thanks, ill try
[18:08:26] <minosa>	didn't help
[18:11:33] <TimLaqua>	is it a public wiki?
[18:11:49] <minosa>	public wiki?, yes you cans ee it
[18:11:57] <TimLaqua>	send a link
[18:12:32] <minosa>	http://cronous.aldarheaven.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
[18:13:28] <TimLaqua>	so which h5's are you trying to change?
[18:13:33] <minosa>	I want the left titles "navigation" "search" and "toolbox" to have a border-top border-left border-right and to 
[18:13:48] <minosa>	cut off the boxes border-top
[18:14:02] <minosa>	that's why I use margin + padding
[18:14:26] <TimLaqua>	is it being cut off or overwritten?
[18:14:34] <minosa>	padding-bottom just got executed at last update
[18:15:11] <minosa>	it should look like the main frame does with the "article" font
[18:15:16] <minosa>	you see what I mean?
[18:15:30] <TimLaqua>	yeah, which css file are you editing?
[18:15:45] <minosa>	own one ndtheme.css
[18:16:01] <TimLaqua>	the core file or MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css ?
[18:16:06] <minosa>	is it maybe common.css which comes first?
[18:16:37] <minosa>	I never get it how I should edit in MediaWiki:ndtheme, because it didn't get executed what I put in there
[18:16:41] <TimLaqua>	the last one applied takes precedence unless !important is specified - in which case !important should override !important
[18:16:46] <minosa>	so im always uploading file
[18:17:35] <minosa>	core file...
[18:17:45] <minosa>	im also using delete cache always...
[18:18:35] <minosa>	atm, the background of the font is transparent...i put a !important behind the white...gonna see if it changes
[18:21:13] <TimLaqua>	http://cronous.aldarheaven.com/wiki/index.php5?title=MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css
[18:21:18] <TimLaqua>	try throwing your definitions in there
[18:21:29] <TimLaqua>	the ones that aren't working as expected
[18:23:27] <minosa>	saved
[18:24:13] <TimLaqua>	space before !important
[18:24:21] <minosa>	kk
[18:24:41] <minosa>	...
[18:24:44] <TimLaqua>	and you're missing a semicolon after the color: def
[18:24:57] <minosa>	lol, ups
[18:25:12] <minosa>	you're right xD
[18:25:39] <minosa>	background is still transparent...
[18:25:48] <TimLaqua>	indeed it is
[18:26:35] <TimLaqua>	http://cronous.aldarheaven.com/wiki/index.php5?title=-&action=raw&gen=css&maxage=18000
[18:26:50] <minosa>	I know
[18:26:55] <minosa>	extension
[18:27:40] <minosa>	workin to disable it
[18:28:22] <TimLaqua>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=js&useskin=monobook
[18:28:41] <TimLaqua>	or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=css&useskin=monobook
[18:28:48] <TimLaqua>	You site isn't serving those pages
[18:30:01] <minosa>	well we disabled monoskin
[18:30:05] <minosa>	monobook~
[18:30:20] <TimLaqua>	http://cronous.aldarheaven.com/wiki/index.php5?title=MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000
[18:30:23] <CIA-6>	03vasilievvv * r28280 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Introduce an "AbortMove" hook
[18:30:25] <TimLaqua>	That link needs to work
[18:30:38] <TimLaqua>	that's why your changes in MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css aren't being applied
[18:30:51] <minosa>	kk
[18:31:02] <TimLaqua>	it should dump the raw page text
[18:31:08] <TimLaqua>	it'll look like any other CSS file
[18:31:19] <minosa>	works now
[18:31:25] <TimLaqua>	once you get your server to serve that page, it should work (or at least apply those changes)
[18:31:58] <minosa>	works
[18:32:03] <minosa>	white background
[18:32:49] <TimLaqua>	mmm, progress.  ;-)
[18:32:56] <minosa>	yea
[18:33:01] <minosa>	but still no border-top
[18:33:36] <Dashiva>	The internet is supposed to be borderless :P
[18:33:43] <minosa>	lol
[18:34:57] <TimLaqua>	#column-one .portlet h5 { border-top: 5px solid green !important;}
[18:35:07] <TimLaqua>	maybe it wants you to be more specific.  ;-)
[18:35:24] <minosa>	kk
[18:35:56] <Dashiva>	I usually try to throw in at least one id and one other selector, and that usually works
[18:36:17] <TimLaqua>	MW is just protecting us from ourselves.  ;-)
[18:36:18] <minosa>	nothin...
[18:36:36] <Dashiva>	Are you sure the style file is refreshed?
[18:36:44] <minosa>	yea
[18:37:04] <TimLaqua>	line-height maybe?
[18:38:28] <CIA-6>	03vasilievvv * r28281 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/ (TitleBlacklist.i18n.php TitleBlacklist.php): 
[18:38:28] <CIA-6>	TitleBlacklist:
[18:38:28] <CIA-6>	* Extend and prettify messages
[18:38:28] <CIA-6>	* Refactor code
[18:38:29] <CIA-6>	* Handle page moves correctly
[18:39:29] <minosa>	like this
[18:39:30] <minosa>	?
[18:39:45] <minosa>	O_O, ups
[18:40:26] <minosa>	yay
[18:40:31] <minosa>	THANKS A LOT
[18:40:42] <MZMcBride>	VasilievVV|NA: if i filed a bug requesting that Titleblacklist be enabled on WMF wikis, would it have any chance of happening?
[18:40:51] <TimLaqua>	np.  but I can't see it.  ;-)
[18:40:58] <TimLaqua>	whitelist that CSS page
[18:41:09] <minosa>	whitelist?
[18:41:15] <TimLaqua>	otherwise non-logged in users won't see it
[18:41:20] <TimLaqua>	log out of your site
[18:41:24] <TimLaqua>	and then refresh it
[18:42:00] <TimLaqua>	mmm.  phpbb auth.
[18:42:03] *TimLaqua 	shivers.
[18:42:30] <minosa>	I c
[18:42:41] <TimLaqua>	it's because it calls a real wiki page to get that CSS
[18:42:55] <minosa>	the wiki project moderator just made it so you need to be logged in to read our articles
[18:43:14] <minosa>	hasn't to do with my css thingy
[18:43:24] <TimLaqua>	yeah, just add MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css and MediaWiki:Common.css to the whitelist
[18:43:36] <minosa>	what whitelist?
[18:43:51] <minosa>	and where?
[18:46:47] <TimLaqua>	At the least, whitelist  "-", "Special:Userlogin", "MediaWiki:Common.css", "MediaWiki:Ndtheme.css"
[18:46:55] <TimLaqua>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgWhitelistRead
[18:48:06] <minosa>	kk, ill tell it the moderator, he's atm out of da house, hell be back
[18:53:28] <frieze>	Is it possible to get the data out of a template on another page? I want to create a template that includes summary info from an infobox listed on another page. I think I can see how I could do it by rather inelegantly adding magic words to the source template and creating a variable array for all instances of the infobox, but that's a kinda crazy solutino
[18:54:39] <VasilievVV|NA>	MZMcBride: no ideas
[18:55:11] <MZMcBride>	VasilievVV|NA: do you think its stable enough? because i imagine that's what it will come down to
[18:57:54] <electron>	MZMcBride: Do you have community consensus?
[18:59:42] <MZMcBride>	electron: at the moment, i'm talking about the technical side; however, i'm not sure community consensus would really be needed for this particular extension
[19:00:00] <minosa>	O_O light goin off
[19:00:20] <TimLaqua>	Maybe we should auto-whitelist stylesheet and js pages?
[19:00:23] <MZMcBride>	it would be used to replace things like "Protected titles" on en.wiki
[19:12:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Enable TitleBlacklist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12245 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (MZMcBride)
[19:13:18] <Skizzerz>	uh, cant you just cascading protect a page, then transclude nonexistant titles on there to acheive the same effect?
[19:13:38] <MZMcBride>	read the bug
[19:14:06] <Skizzerz>	wow... >_> (/me needs to learn how to read before he speaks)
[19:14:20] <MZMcBride>	:)
[19:14:29] <Skizzerz>	yeah, regex would be nice
[19:23:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make rollback a user preference for non-admins - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12246 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (MZMcBride)
[19:24:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Automatically whitelist reading of Site css and js pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12247 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (t.laqua)
[19:25:23] <kenners>	is there a way to list the configuration options to make sure the wiki is reading them in properly?
[19:26:04] <kenners>	actually, i've found something interesting
[19:26:19] <kenners>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode
[19:26:32] <kenners>	the TODO is exactly what I need to know. i'll talk to my admin :\
[19:33:51] <frieze>	Anyone know if it's possible to write a template that gets data from another template? For instance an infobox summary template that gets its data from an existing infobox
[19:34:13] <VasilievVV>	frieze: no
[19:37:16] <Filnik>	Hello
[19:40:36] <frieze>	VasilievVV: thanks. Is there some easy workaround you can think of to duplicate that functionality?
[19:40:57] <VasilievVV>	frieze: no ideas
[19:42:27] <Skizzerz>	frieze: if this is for a local install, there are a few extensions that allow you to do that
[19:42:33] <Skizzerz>	(to a limited extent)
[19:42:35] <frieze>	it is
[19:43:04] <Skizzerz>	I haven't really tested them out all that much though, so I can't guarantee their functionality
[19:43:05] <Duesentrieb>	look into DPL
[19:43:06] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[19:43:06] <mwbot>	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[19:43:29] <frieze>	Beats having to do it manually for 30 or so template instances a month
[19:43:36] <frieze>	I'll give em a shot
[19:44:48] <Skizzerz>	frieze: another one you can test is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VariablesExtension , I use it on my local install, but I don't know if templates can pull variables from other templates if they're transcluded on the same page
[19:46:06] <frieze>	cool, thanks
[19:46:55] <frieze>	the variables extension is for within a page only
[19:47:54] <frieze>	but dpl looks like it may do what I need
[19:49:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[19:55:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Single login (Unified login) on all wikimedia projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[19:57:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[20:01:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[20:03:02] <Dashiva>	Gotta love how it announces even a trivial +cc
[20:03:34] <Skizzerz>	Dashiva: it emails all the cc's on a +cc >_>
[20:04:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow images that link somewhere other than the image page ( using normal link syntax) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=539  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[20:04:29] <Dashiva>	Only the ones foolish enough to have that enabled
[20:04:37] <Dashiva>	About 20% from what I've seen
[20:10:44] <Skizzerz>	Dashiva: or too lazy to change their prefs :P
[20:12:35] <Dashiva>	I figured the effort to turn the pref off would be saved up from the effort of not clicking 'delete' on the mails I would get
[20:16:58] <Nikerabbit>	ugh, css styles in translations messages :<<
[20:17:09] <Gambit>	;)
[20:17:34] *Nikerabbit 	not likes
[20:19:45] <VasilievVV>	Nikerabbit: messages are for customizing user interface, not just for translating it
[20:20:22] <Nikerabbit>	well, not so much for customising, and not both at the same times in my opinion
[20:20:42] <Nikerabbit>	there is one place for css, there is one place js, rest is only text
[20:23:10] <Nikerabbit>	keeps the user/translator focused and seperation of presentation from content is one of the "good practises"
[20:23:43] <Nikerabbit>	I was going to do something else than give a lecture....
[20:23:57] <Dashiva>	You were going to hunt down the perpetrator and make sure they didn't do it again?
[20:25:10] <Nikerabbit>	Dashiva: I'm not obesed with sharpy things like some of us...
[20:28:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Watchlist doesn' t show earlier normal edits when hiding bot edits, own edits or minor edits - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9790  (10N/A)
[20:31:47] <Dashiva>	N/A?
[20:33:49] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  (10gangleri)
[20:34:36] <Dashiva>	You broke it!
[20:49:01] <lleoliveirabr>	i would like to catalog my city using mediawiki, semantic mediawiki, semantic forms
[20:49:03] <lleoliveirabr>	and maps
[20:49:15] <lleoliveirabr>	but i'm not a webmaster
[20:49:27] <VasilievVV>	Is there a way to add extension CSS?
[20:49:30] <lleoliveirabr>	anyone here would like to help me on this project
[20:50:35] <electron>	VasilievVV: You can add headers using one of the $wgOut functoins.
[20:52:05] <electron>	VasilievVV: You can add headers using one of the $wgOut functoins.
[20:52:59] <VasilievVV>	electron: I see
[21:13:07] <lleoliveirabr>	hi tharh
[21:13:19] <lleoliveirabr>	Atharh
[21:15:01] <atharh>	What exactly do you need help with?
[21:15:20] <lleoliveirabr>	did you receive my message?
[21:15:24] <lleoliveirabr>	by irc IM?
[21:15:29] <atharh>	umm no
[21:15:42] <lleoliveirabr>	maybe i need to register
[21:15:46] <atharh>	yep 
[21:15:47] <lleoliveirabr>	do you have gtalk
[21:15:53] <lleoliveirabr>	my gtalk is lleoliveirabr
[21:15:57] <lleoliveirabr>	add me
[21:16:12] <lleoliveirabr>	cane be?
[21:16:15] <lleoliveirabr>	can
[21:16:32] <atharh>	ok just did that 
[21:27:01] <frieze>	okay so I've installed DPL (DynamicPageList) and now it wants to include "Template:!" and "Template:!-". These look like CSS code though. Is there some css template pack I should have installed?
[21:27:50] <Skizzerz>	no... {{!}} and {{!-}} are usually for table formatting
[21:27:57] <Dashiva>	! typically contains |
[21:27:57] <mwbot>	You don't have permission to do that.
[21:28:11] <Skizzerz>	lol @ bot
[21:28:17] <frieze>	so probably some weird tables+php silliness that tidy should be fixing then?
[21:28:51] <Skizzerz>	it's mainly used to create tables inside of templates so the table cells, etc. aren't treated like new parameters
[21:41:01] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28283 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Make doc more appropriate
[21:57:42] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  +comment (10gangleri)
[22:07:25] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r28284 10/trunk/extensions/ (Chemistry/ChemFunctions.i18n.php Translate/MessageGroups.php): 
[22:07:25] <CIA-6>	* set a few messages in Chemistry to optional in Translate
[22:07:25] <CIA-6>	* removing identical messages from i18n file
[22:07:40] <Dvyjones>	I have a mediawiki-setup with two wikis on the same source code, but I have some errors linking the urls. The first wiki is at example.com/wiki, and the source is also there. the second wiki is on enwiki/, but no source, how do I set up enwiki to point to wiki (in wiki I have a localsettingschanger, so it chooses enwiki-settings as long as enwiki is in the url)
[22:09:39] <Duesentrieb>	Dvyjones: first of all, use different pathes for "wiki pages" and "real files" (on wikipedia, this would be /wiki vs. /w)
[22:10:10] <Dvyjones>	ok
[22:10:22] <Dvyjones>	so that is the problem
[22:10:49] <Duesentrieb>	Dvyjones: if you want to run two wikis on the same install, the simplest way is to use different subdomains. using pathes is also possible, but might get confusing: for one of the wikis, the path for "real" files would also be virtual.
[22:11:34] <Duesentrieb>	actually, i'm not quite sure how to do it off-hand. should be possible, but the "changed" code might get a bit messy
[22:11:51] <Duesentrieb>	err, "changer" code
[22:12:07] <Duesentrieb>	the bit detecting which wiki the request was sent to. 
[22:12:21] <Dvyjones>	it works now
[22:12:21] <Duesentrieb>	different subdomains make it easy.
[22:12:32] <Dvyjones>	i just had to move the mediawiki code
[22:12:42] <Duesentrieb>	make sure editing works on both wikis
[22:12:43] <Filnik>	byez!
[22:22:17] <Landlord>	someone want to make me an infobox or else help me fix the one i butchered
[22:22:17] <Landlord>	^^
[22:22:21] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28285 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Fix submit issues with other languages, title was getting messed up sometimes
[22:25:46] <Dvyjones>	CIA6 is like wikibugs?
[22:25:54] <Dvyjones>	but with SVN
[22:36:00] <Landlord>	haha
[22:36:01] <Landlord>	look what i did
[22:36:01] <Landlord>	http://husker.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[22:37:20] <Gambit>	hah congrats :D
[22:37:53] <lyy>	hello
[22:38:00] <Gambit>	ehat is husker ?
[22:38:05] <Gambit>	what *
[22:38:19] <lyy>	can you guys tell me a  few things on what mediawiki can do that other wikis can't do ?
[22:38:29] <lyy>	husker is a guy who husks corn
[22:38:43] <Gambit>	#mediawiki pliz :)
[22:39:06] <Gambit>	oi this is #mediawiki :S
[22:39:18] *lyy 	kicks Gambit out.
[22:39:26] <lyy>	hahah ;D
[22:39:32] *Gambit 	feels stupid 9_9
[22:39:38] <CIA-6>	03aaron * r28286 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Use toString() for message param
[22:39:54] <Gambit>	lyy,  mediawiki is the software of all wikis ;)
[22:40:00] <Gambit>	for *
[22:40:01] <lyy>	cool
[22:40:05] <lyy>	i want it then
[22:40:12] <lyy>	can i program in there?
[22:40:15] <Gambit>	!download
[22:40:15] <mwbot>	The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download> for more information.
[22:40:30] <Gambit>	its there ;)
[22:40:33] <lyy>	ooooh nice
[22:40:36] <lyy>	:D
[22:41:07] <Landlord>	his not lyy :(
[22:41:16] <Landlord>	it is a student athlete at the university of nebraska
[22:41:17] <Landlord>	</3
[22:41:50] <lyy>	ehhhh???
[22:42:05] <Landlord>	people who husk corn are FARMERS
[22:42:10] <Landlord>	huskers are STRICTLY a mascot
[22:42:16] *Duesentrieb 	blinks
[22:42:19] <lyy>	give me a break
[22:42:21] <decriptor>	this seems really lame, but how do I go about changing the logo?
[22:42:31] <Duesentrieb>	Gambit: mediawiki is the software for all wikis? what about the 200 other wiki engines?
[22:42:34] <replikant>	hello, is it possible to list all pages that link to this page AND are in a certain category?
[22:43:06] <decriptor>	I've tried setting $wgLogo = "skins/common/images/logo.png"   but get a blank page when I do
[22:43:14] <Duesentrieb>	replikant: with a database query, yes :)
[22:43:26] <Gambit>	O_O
[22:43:37] <replikant>	hmm
[22:43:40] *Gambit 	is a dumb ..very very dumb person :)
[22:43:42] <Duesentrieb>	decriptor: use a full url. or at least an absolut web path.
[22:44:34] <Duesentrieb>	Gambit: get edified: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software
[22:44:53] <Gambit>	woo more reading \o/
[22:45:10] <lyy>	thanks Duesentrieb 
[22:45:12] <decriptor>	Duesentrieb: there is a flag in the Defaultsetting $wgLog = false;   do I worry about that
[22:45:15] <decriptor>	?
[22:45:26] <decriptor>	or do I just ignore that and set it in the localsettings?
[22:45:33] <Gambit>	Duesentrieb,  could we get wikia to get some of their extension to mediawiki? ;)
[22:45:34] <Duesentrieb>	lyy: mediawiki has a huge community, fast release cycle, lots of features and extensions, is well tested, and designed to scale to huge size, number of users, edits and page hits.
[22:45:46] <replikant>	and.. can i render parts of another page in this page?
[22:45:50] <Skizzerz>	anything you set in localsettings will override defaultsettings
[22:45:59] <Duesentrieb>	!config | decriptor
[22:45:59] <mwbot>	decriptor: *All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php. Do not edit any other file unless you want to get into serious hacking. You may want to *look* at the settings in DefaultSettings.php though, some are not in LocalSettings.php per default. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>
[22:46:01] <Skizzerz>	Gambit: you'd have to bug the wikia staff about that
[22:46:20] <Gambit>	they don't listen :(
[22:46:48] <Duesentrieb>	replikant: yes. well, you can use any page asa atemplate. and you have some control over what is ioncluded and what not. bot only some control. 
[22:46:53] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | replikant
[22:46:53] <mwbot>	replikant: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and HTML Tidy<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[22:47:24] <replikant>	ok thanks
[22:47:42] <lyy>	damn that's alot of wikis :(
[22:48:01] <Duesentrieb>	Gambit: what do you mean by "get to mediawiki"? are they published? then you can used them.
[22:48:23] <Gambit>	not published ;(
[22:48:46] <Duesentrieb>	lyy: ok, to make it short: mediawiki is a very good wiki engine. not necessarily the best for every job though.
[22:49:03] <Duesentrieb>	Gambit: that's that, then. bribe them to publish.
[22:49:16] <Gambit>	hmm .. O_O
[22:49:25] *Gambit 	is penny less and broke :DDD
[22:49:36] <Duesentrieb>	bribe them with a pointy stick then
[22:49:47] *Skizzerz 	bribes them with carbon credits... the inventor of teh interwebz would approve
[22:49:53] <Gambit>	ooh O_O
[22:50:07] *Gambit 	borrows satan's fork :)
[22:50:58] <Duesentrieb>	replikant: oh, you might want to look at DPL
[22:51:00] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[22:51:00] <mwbot>	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[22:53:18] <replikant>	ah nice, tx daniel
[23:00:48] <lyy>	how is a broke n penniless person able to get on line and chat?
[23:01:01] <lyy>	just being in this chat room says you're not poor
[23:01:23] <lyy>	and when i say poor, i mean out on the street begging for a bit of a sandwhich
[23:01:30] <Skizzerz>	lyy: might be a public computer ;)
[23:01:50] <Skizzerz>	just walk into your local library and head on in
[23:01:59] <lyy>	maybe
[23:02:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page protection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12248 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (NavouWiki)
[23:04:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The Sanitizer doesn't validate the contents of id attributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4515  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:16:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The Sanitizer doesn't validate the contents of id attributes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4515  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[23:26:21] <vishwin>	hmm, my short URL config doesn't like &action=
[23:26:39] <Dashiva>	Are you using QSA?
[23:26:45] <Skizzerz>	vishwin: how are you trying it
[23:26:51] <vishwin>	.htaccess
[23:26:52] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  (10gangleri)
[23:26:57] <Skizzerz>	I meant typing out the URL
[23:27:07] <vishwin>	sitename/wiki/
[23:27:11] <Dashiva>	gangleri: Stop torturing poor wikibugs :P
[23:27:14] <Skizzerz>	like http://wiki.com/wiki/Pagename&action=something
[23:27:37] <vishwin>	like index.php?title=pagename&action=edit
[23:27:47] <vishwin>	it thinks index.php is the page
[23:27:58] <Skizzerz>	ok... then it shouldn't have a problem with that...
[23:28:06] <Skizzerz>	unless your .htaccess is messed up
[23:28:18] <Dashiva>	I'd guess he doesn't have the QSA flag on the rewriterule
[23:28:19] <Skizzerz>	what directory is index.php located in?
[23:28:30] <vishwin>	 /wiki
[23:29:39] <vishwin>	Dashiva what is the QSA flag?
[23:30:00] <Dashiva>	It should say [QSA] or [QSA,L] or similar at the end of the RewriteRule
[23:30:01] <vishwin>	nvm
[23:30:05] <Dashiva>	It means Query String Append
[23:30:12] <vishwin>	I have the QSA flag :-$
[23:30:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) subpage parsing crashes somewhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12249 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (alistrius)
[23:30:30] <vishwin>	RewriteRule ^wiki/(.+)$ /wiki/index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
[23:30:33] <Skizzerz>	I think the problem is because index.php is located in the same directory name that you're trying to rewrite to
[23:30:41] <Dashiva>	Ah, indeed
[23:30:46] <vishwin>	hmm
[23:30:49] <vishwin>	true
[23:32:08] <vishwin>	would I have to modify the ^wiki/(.+) line?
[23:32:44] <Dashiva>	It would be better if you used a "virtual" directory for the pretty URLs
[23:33:07] <Dashiva>	I get a really ugly title at http://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programmation_JavaScript/Références/Objets/RegExp
[23:33:23] <Dashiva>	null<a href="wiki/Programmation_JavaScript" title="Programmation JavaScript>Programmation JavaScript Références/Objets/RegExp
[23:40:09] <taduyducvn>	hello pal
[23:40:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) subpage parsing crashes somewhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12249  +comment (10magnusrk+wiki)
[23:40:22] <taduyducvn>	how can i generate email token using MediaWiki
[23:40:24] <taduyducvn>	?
[23:41:03] <Skizzerz>	huh? a token should be sent to you when you enter your email to your prefs, if that's what you meant
[23:41:17] <taduyducvn>	1yea
[23:41:19] <taduyducvn>	i want
[23:41:23] <taduyducvn>	to use that one
[23:41:26] <taduyducvn>	to generate
[23:41:38] <taduyducvn>	i want to use a external registration gate
[23:43:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) compress javascript output - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12250 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (alistrius)
[23:43:33] <taduyducvn>	anyone have some ideas?
[23:45:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please lock or.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12241  +comment (10jeluf)
[23:46:10] <Dashiva>	taduyducvn: What would the external interface do?
[23:46:35] <taduyducvn>	fist,
[23:46:41] <taduyducvn>	i make it check the user
[23:46:44] <taduyducvn>	and then Captcha
[23:46:46] <taduyducvn>	blah blah
[23:46:54] <taduyducvn>	use mediawiki
[23:46:57] <taduyducvn>	generate token
[23:47:04] <taduyducvn>	then send email to user through SMTP
[23:47:11] <taduyducvn>	they will check email
[23:47:13] <taduyducvn>	confirm
[23:47:21] <taduyducvn>	then there, it activated
[23:47:37] <taduyducvn>	because i couldnt use LDAP or some Directory tools to do it
[23:47:42] <Dashiva>	Can't you just have your interface access the registration form, fill in the user's email, and let mediawiki send the token?
[23:47:53] <taduyducvn>	because
[23:48:00] <taduyducvn>	i have some problem
[23:48:03] <taduyducvn>	with mediawiki host
[23:48:11] <taduyducvn>	no email could be sent from there
[23:48:14] <taduyducvn>	its a multi host
[23:48:17] <Duesentrieb>	please write a full sentence before hitting enter
[23:48:21] <Duesentrieb>	scrolling sucks
[23:48:23] <taduyducvn>	sorry
[23:48:30] <taduyducvn>	:)
[23:49:24] <taduyducvn>	the API for registration no longer work, right?
[23:49:45] <taduyducvn>	actually i want to use that API for registration but i found out that its not there in 1.10
[23:49:49] <taduyducvn>	:|
[23:50:41] <Dashiva>	Well, you could do the same, let the email go nowhere, look up the token in the DB, send that? :)
[23:51:12] <taduyducvn>	anyway, i want to input directly...
[23:51:16] <taduyducvn>	check out the registration at
[23:51:46] <taduyducvn>	http://wiki.ani.vn/index.php?title=%C4%90%E1%BA%B7c_bi%E1%BB%87t:Userlogin&type=signup&returnto=M%E1%BB%9F_m%C3%A0n
[23:52:12] <taduyducvn>	after finish everything, its keep saying there must be something in the password field,
[23:52:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) subpage parsing crashes somewhere - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12249  (10alistrius)
[23:52:34] <taduyducvn>	anyway, i dont like that registration, captcha, email sucks.... i want to implement my own page....
[23:52:59] <taduyducvn>	is there a function do the work? i mean the token for email
[23:53:42] <taduyducvn>	user_options, user_token also...
[23:54:11] <taduyducvn>	i couldnt find it in our wiki, the detail about those, it show up in phpmyadmin is a BLOB, no data avail...
[23:54:21] <taduyducvn>	so i cannot see the data inside...
[23:57:34] <taduyducvn>	how is it, pal
[23:59:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Read restriction support - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12251 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (chantepie)