[00:00:13] why not set the blocks as anon-only [00:00:24] What's the range block for, and how big is it? [00:01:21] it was for the Italian vandal, and other proxy jumper vandals [00:01:35] I'm just pulling up the blocks for BrokenArrow...one sec ;) [00:02:24] Werdna: anon-only does nothing on Wikia [00:02:28] it's shared db [00:02:37] so the vandal could register on one of the other 3000+ wikis [00:02:59] anon-only and block account creation* [00:03:11] 03siebrand * r28378 10/trunk/extensions/ (13 files in 13 dirs): [00:03:11] * complete $wgExtensionCredits [00:03:11] * remove trailing whitespace [00:03:11] (kind of done with this) [00:03:14] well is it on wikia? [00:03:18] yes [00:03:48] o.0? then why are we bringing it up here... [00:03:52] I asked sannse and she thinks such featurw would be beneficial in the core code. [00:03:56] feature* [00:04:04] http://wikia.pastey.net/78794 [00:04:06] Some starts here http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Ipblocklist&dir=prev&offset=20070823031011&showall=0 [00:04:07] and keeps going...others are similar to that pastey I posted above. [00:04:09] and Wikia techs are generally lazy [00:04:14] and busy [00:04:16] yes, per GHe [00:04:24] if someone has made a page in my wiki site and I want to change the title. how do I do it??? [00:04:33] TehLex[nay_here]: use the "move" tab [00:04:37] how do I make -- look like -- [00:04:45] GHe|BUSY: what feature? [00:05:04] ... [00:05:05] block exemption for specific usernames [00:05:10] are you fricken kidding me? [00:05:14] (already exists for sysops) [00:05:19] exactly [00:05:20] isn't that called 'ipblockexempt'? [00:05:20] GHe|BUSY, ask Crucially :P [00:05:21] eighty-four range blocks? [00:05:26] yeah [00:05:30] ... [00:05:37] why? [00:05:37] It' [00:05:38] s [00:05:39] just make a custom usergroup for it and assign it to users via Special:Userrights [00:05:45] implemented on like 5 Wikia wikis already :P [00:05:51] the ranges [00:05:59] why do you need to block that big a range? [00:06:13] b/c telecomitalia has shared ISP basically [00:06:20] and there's no other way to stop the vandal [00:06:31] so you want to block the biggest telecom in italy because of some idiot vandal? [00:06:38] jeez.. can you say "overreaction"? [00:06:41] no [00:06:48] not really [00:07:01] well no wonder nobody can edit from italy.. [00:07:14] Telecom Italia has mostly dynamic IPs, not shared gateways, except on GPRS access or such. [00:07:17] Duesentrieb: so I saw that you saw my RawMsg extension [00:09:23] 03siebrand * r28379 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/ (11 files in 4 dirs): [00:09:23] * eol-style:native [00:09:23] * remove trailing whitespace while we are here... [00:11:57] how do i add someone else to the sysop [00:12:06] TehLex[nay_here]: Special:Userrights [00:13:45] how do I make -- look like -- instead of a long - [00:13:59] Doesn't -- work? [00:14:06] also, how can I have a cell which uses a background color but doesn't always say the same thing? [00:14:30] Use a parameter? [00:14:34] oh yeah -- works it's just very squished in this font sorry [00:14:46] Dashiva: can you show me the syntax for that [00:15:02] nathan: did you read the link that I sent you? [00:15:27] the one about tables? [00:15:35] anyway: no the template one. here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [00:16:40] ah ok thanks [00:18:08] np, just ask if you need something explained a bit better [00:28:23] jamasi_: jamasi_ [00:31:50] how would i rename a namespace? [00:32:08] change the name in LocalSettings.php [00:32:13] $wgExtraNamespaces, I believe [00:32:24] does that work for already existing namespaces? [00:32:41] uh, different variable for that [00:32:54] $wgDefaultNamespaces IIRC, but lemme check [00:33:15] nope. [00:33:19] i have been changing MessagesEn, but i'm looking for a solution that makes upgrades easier :) [00:33:21] Skizzerz: wronged. [00:33:31] well, then I recalled incorrectly :P [00:33:32] MZMcBride: you use $wgExtraNamespaces for renaming existing, too. [00:33:51] really? we need to document that feature... [00:34:08] meh. [00:36:09] Werdna: thanks; it worked [00:37:07] Werdna: quick question: have you decided to step back from rollback changes altogether for the moment? [00:38:36] if by "rollback changes", you mean "enabling rollback for all users by default", I've been overridden. I'm currently working on (and have damn near finished) protection of nonexistent pages. [00:39:22] i was wondering what you thought about the user preference idea [00:40:00] meh. [00:40:04] seems useless to me [00:40:15] it solves a lot of the concerns people were having.... [00:41:33] like what? [00:42:13] puts responsibility on the user; allows dedicated vandal fighters to have the option without having newbies having a rollback link staring them in the face [00:42:52] plus, being a preference, it could have a link next to it explaining what it does, and could be linked to an edit count, if desired [00:47:12] "linked to an edit count"? [00:48:54] if some wikis wanted a requirement that a user have 2000 edits or something, there's already a field in the user preferences that the option could be tied to [01:10:40] I haven't really messed with mysql in a few years, so I'm not sure how to do this. How do I use mysqldump to backup/transfer only the pages on a wiki but not the templates? [01:10:46] MZMcBride: doesn't work like that. [01:11:02] you can't "tie" a preference to another preference [01:11:09] frieze: You don't use mysqldump [01:11:22] I don't think.. [01:11:26] currently? or ever? [01:11:37] it could be tied to the database field, though, right? [01:11:41] anyway, you want page_namespace = 0 [01:11:53] I don't understand how having a preference owuld make that any easier [01:11:58] and what do you mean by "tied to" [01:12:53] i was thinking you could a variable like $wgRollbackLimit = that could be set and if the page_count field didn't meet or exceed that, the option wouldn't be available [01:13:22] how does having a preference to enable or disable rollback have anything to do with that? [01:14:15] one of the concerns was a edit count limit; not really related to preferences, but my thought was that the data was already available in the DB... [01:14:37] of course it is. A preference has nothing to do with that, though [01:14:57] could the preference be linked to that field? [01:15:28] what do you mean? [01:16:00] could an option be available only to users that have a certain number of edits [01:16:25] a hacky way to do that already exists [01:16:40] and then there's an extension that allows that as well [01:16:45] Werdna: I think it's the best way to dump the contenst (provided obviously that you are not using postgres). [01:16:51] contents [01:16:57] i was thinking that some sort of PHP code could exist that shows a checkbox if the page_count field is x or higher [01:17:06] in the "my preferences" section [01:17:09] but why? it can be done perfectly fine with an if statement on Article::doRollback [01:17:40] 03(mod) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971 +comment (10alefzet) [01:17:41] ok. i was just wondering if it were possible anywhere. [01:18:20] though, if it were using Article::doRollback using a user preference, would the option still be available to everyone? [01:19:02] no.. but my argument is that putting it as a user preference is really, /really/ pointless [01:19:37] for what it's worth, and i'm sure this probably makes no difference to you, it was the only option receiving moderate support on en.wiki [01:20:00] the concerns, as i'm sure you read, were that a rollback link suddenly appearing for everyone would be confusing and would lead to mis-use [01:20:07] meh. [01:20:15] *Werdna is off doing other things now [01:20:26] and users not knowing what hell it is [01:20:37] 04(REOPENED) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971 (10alefzet) [01:27:36] See, what we really need is to merge the concepts of undo and rollback, then this discussion would be much more sensible. ;) [01:27:49] frieze, check mysqldump docs . . . I think it might have a "where" option. [01:27:50] *Simetrical looks [01:28:20] Yes, memory serves correctly. [01:28:46] mysqldump --where="page_namespace=0" wikidb page [01:28:48] Or something like that. [01:29:34] *Simetrical dislikes implicit join conditions [01:30:11] well there are 20 something tables in the db so I'm going to try just dumping page and pagelinks [01:30:43] hmm... [01:31:02] that may be a bad idea. There's no template table. the namespaces appear to all live in the same db [01:31:17] frieze, er, yes, they do. Thus you need "where". [01:31:34] hmm...but which "where" to use [01:32:41] well it's only 50 or so pages. May just be easier to spider their contents using the perl wiki module [01:34:31] I do after all remember how to work in perl [01:37:02] hello [01:37:07] hi [01:37:16] can someone help me with wiki api? [01:37:34] !api | slashpix [01:37:34] slashpix: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [01:37:44] did you try reading the docs? [01:37:48] ok. but i need more information. [01:37:51] if you need more help than what's provided there, then come ask us :) [01:38:10] is it possible to get information from wiki in point form? [01:38:42] like all information about GDP in point form. So all the most important information would be displayed in a point form. [01:42:27] wtf is a "point form"? [01:42:48] I was guessing it's like 23.345.234 [01:44:43] but looking at it, that doesn't make any sense at all. ;-) [01:46:59] slashpix, you expect the software to read the article and summarize it for you? [01:47:21] that would be some pretty smart software... [01:47:40] and almost as funny as gizoogle [01:47:48] pritty much [01:48:19] I have a question: I am trying to copy paste a bullet point document from a Word Document onto a Wiki Page.... when I click Save everything appears as a huge block of text.. as if there arent enough spaces or something... is there any way to make it format the same way as it is in Word? [01:48:28] you could pull out words that were used frequently, i suppose, but probably not with the api [01:48:31] awesome. [01:48:58] Simetrical: wanna take a look over my patch for bug 2919? [01:49:26] XDuxaX: bulleted lists have to begin with asterisks [01:49:28] XDuxaX: u have a link to the article you're working on? [01:49:37] with no space before the asterisk [01:49:45] *Skizzerz needs to bookmark bugzilla... [01:49:51] Werdna, I have to go to bed in under an hour because it's the third-to-last day of term, I have a take-home final due tomorrow for an important class plus an exam in that same class and I need to be awake and I need to study a lot. [01:49:57] Certainly I would be happy to look at your patch. [01:49:58] *Simetrical looks at it [01:50:14] study?!?! [01:50:17] Simetrical: it's not on bugzilla, it's here --> http://www.devanywhere.com/ViewPub.php?id=50 [01:50:24] that's what i've been forgetting.... [01:50:31] Well its already a made document (5 pages)... would be a pain editing and adding an asterik or w/e [01:50:40] any way to put tags around it or something? [01:50:51] What, pretty URLs haven't been added to devanywhere yet? [01:50:54] because when I view it in Edit mode... then it look fine.. its when I submit it [01:51:04] Simetrical: hmm.. I could put pretty urls on. [01:51:18] Blech, you're adding a whole new table to account for restrictions on nonexistent pages? [01:51:20] XDuxaX: yeah, it eats single line breaks [01:51:21] I'm flat-out getting it redesigned. [01:51:27] What we need is a "pseudo-page id". :D [01:51:29] XDuxaX: do you have a link or a place you can show it? [01:51:32] Simetrical: well, what would your solution be? [01:51:35] *Simetrical adds a pseudopage table [01:51:47] I don't know, but it's a problem that comes up annoyingly often. [01:51:48] to not "eat" line breaks, there's always the tag [01:51:49] *Simetrical frowns [01:51:52] ooh, "pseudopage", sounds spiffy [01:51:53] XDuxaX: you could use the extension, that lets you keep single line breaks. or you use a word-to-wiki macro. [01:51:57] *TimLaqua tried to add a pseudo function once. TimStarling changed it. ;-) [01:52:02] hehe [01:52:09] Duesentrieb: or you can use 
, and it's not even an extension ;)
[01:52:10] 	revenge for your tabcomplete theft.
[01:52:17] 	I thought pseudoParse was ingenieus.
[01:52:31] 	Skizzerz: but that prevents line wrapping.
[01:52:40] 	 wraps lines?
[01:52:41] 	no, its a confidential document for my company
[01:52:43] 	we've ruled out a blacklist for title protection? could allow regex....
[01:52:44] 	You could change the page_restrictions table to use namespace and title.
[01:52:47] *Skizzerz 	goes off to get that now...
[01:52:47] 	That would be an obvious way.
[01:52:49] 	It also stinks.
[01:52:52] 	its just a text file made in word
[01:52:57] 	XDuxaX: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Textverarbeitung#Word (german, but you should be able to use the macros)
[01:53:00] 	so is it possible to do or not?
[01:53:10] 	Simetrical: I discussed that when I added the page_restrictions table, but it was vetoed.
[01:53:16] 	Why?
[01:53:18] 	I don't remember the reason.
[01:53:22] 	slashpix: the software is not smart enough to summarize an article for you
[01:53:53] 	ah, Simetrical it was because of page moves.
[01:54:01] 	Oh, bleh.
[01:54:08] 	why summarize. is not there anytther way to do it?
[01:54:19] 	slashpix: actually, there is no software that is smart enough to do that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_summarization
[01:54:23] 	there isn't a way to do it. period.
[01:54:25] 	slashpix: what exactly are you trying to do?
[01:54:32] 	slashpix: to do *what*?
[01:54:36] 	i'm pretty sure we're way off point here.
[01:54:45] 	i hope so :)
[01:54:48] 	Im pretty new to the wiki stuff.. so that german page doesnt tell me much =/
[01:54:49] 	possibly, athough the original description was vague :)
[01:54:52] 	you can get a pretty good "summary" by pulling the first paragraph or so.
[01:54:54] 	That is a cool article though.
[01:55:02] 	XDuxaX: but "word macros" tell you something?
[01:55:20] 	bleh, wysiwyg...
[01:55:26] 	XDuxaX: make a "Lorem ipsum" document....
[01:55:27] 	Werdna, your diff thing stinks, it doesn't preserve whitespace.  A unified diff would be more readable for code.
[01:55:28] 	fckeditor ftw!
[01:55:31] 	And more useful to apply.
[01:55:53] 	Simetrical: that's what the "download" thing at the top is for
[01:55:57] 	fckeditor blew up in my face when I tried to install it...
[01:55:58] *Simetrical 	just found that
[01:56:13] *Werdna 	shall rewrite the diff program
[01:57:14] *Simetrical 	frowns
[01:57:35] 	ok. how about wiki dicitonary. is there a script like that outthere?
[01:57:37] *Simetrical 	would like Tim's opinion on the general problem of referring to nonexistent pages in the database, he's the sort who might have a clever idea
[01:58:18] 	It's kind of sticky.
[01:58:26] 	slashpix: you simply must be clearer
[01:58:29] 	What you'd really like is to sort of reserve a spot in the page table, I think.
[01:58:42] 	there are things like ninjawords.com
[01:58:42] 	But that complicates other things.
[01:58:53] 	Especially in terms of BC.
[01:59:16] 	i want something like dictionary.hm does somebody know a script like that?
[01:59:16] 	I spoke to Tim last night, but he was doing other stuff and didn't really pay much attention
[01:59:34] 	what's wrong with ns:title
[01:59:36] 	?
[02:01:47] 	ok what if I take a different uproach... is there any way to enable Media Wiki to accept .doc file uploads?
[02:02:00] 	so that they can just click on it and download it
[02:02:01] 	Werdna, that it doesn't move with page moves, I guess.
[02:02:16] 	Whereas using page id has the problem that it doesn't work for nonexistent articles.
[02:02:26] 	And using both interchangeably requires them to be manually moved.
[02:02:32] 	(when an article is created, that is)
[02:02:47] 	XDuxaX: yeah, $wgFileExtensions
[02:02:58] 	well, the restriction is for 'create' (at least, that's how I've presented it in the interface)
[02:03:02] 	But if you said "articles exist in the page table if anything refers to them, whether or not they contain content", then you might be in business.
[02:03:08] 	Except for backward compatibility.
[02:03:19] 	set it in LocalSettings.php, see: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions
[02:03:32] 	so it wouldn't make any sense to shift the permissions on create.. just delete them.
[02:03:43] 	Well, yes, in this case.
[02:03:52] 	(or keep themfor when it's deleted)
[02:03:58] 	Not in the 1,000,000 other cases.
[02:04:12] 	Like how we have a primary key that includes a varchar(255) in categorylinks.
[02:04:15] 	i.e.?
[02:04:16] 	Like, yay.
[02:04:33] 	Of course that shouldn't move on page move.
[02:04:38] 	So maybe that needs to stay anyway.  :)
[02:04:45] 	where is this  $wgFileExtensions? localsettings?
[02:04:59] 	!configuration | XDuxaX 
[02:04:59] 	XDuxaX : *All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php. Do not edit any other file unless you want to get into serious hacking. You may want to *look* at the settings in DefaultSettings.php though, some are not in LocalSettings.php per default. See , , 
[02:04:59] 	it won't be there
[02:09:03] 	are there any free scripts that work on wiki api?
[02:09:46] 	$wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg', 'pdf', 'mp3', 'svg', 'doc', 'xls', 'ppt', 'pub', 'txt', 'ps', 'zip' );
[02:09:50] 	would that be the syntax?
[02:10:02] 	looks right
[02:10:05] 	k thx
[02:10:29] 	do I need to add already allowed file types? like the jpg and gif?
[02:10:50] 	can't hurt
[02:11:10] 	nothing there?
[02:11:27] 	try googling for scripts
[02:11:27] 	slashpix: I'm not all too familiar with the API, but you can google it :)
[02:12:27] 	try google's code search
[02:13:22] 	 i didnnot find anything...
[02:17:38] 	so I allowed .doc uploads.. and it works... file is up on the server.. how the hell do I link to it?
[02:17:41] 	http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=mediawiki+api+-package%3Amediawiki
[02:18:00] 	[[Media:File.doc]]
[02:18:27] 	ty
[02:48:34] 	hey all!
[02:48:47] 	I've been reviewing some information on uploading large files
[02:48:54] 	i.e., http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/67753
[02:49:04] 	however, I am not clear on the end-result.
[02:49:20] 	is there a way today to upload large files easily into mediawiki wikis?
[02:49:41] 	how large
[02:49:48] 	there is Special:Import
[02:49:56] 	only 9.3 megs
[02:50:06] 	depends on your local limits
[02:50:09] 	could be ok
[02:50:32] 	what kind of file? you may want Special:Upload
[02:50:54] 	jlerner: special:import is to import wiki stuff exported
[02:51:09] 	special:upload is insufficient and causes the upload page to reset.
[02:51:17] 	what kind of content
[02:51:32] 	jlerner: random PDF
[02:51:51] 	orangey, you need to make sure Apache and PHP are configured correctly.
[02:51:54] 	And MediaWiki on top of that.
[02:52:39] 	Simetrical: the discussion I was reading insinuates that the problem is bigger than that ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/67753 )
[02:53:40] 	bigger than what
[02:53:55] 	jlerner: Than a simple configuration issue
[02:54:06] 	as you said, only 9.3 megs, should work fine
[02:54:11] 	orangey, the discussion implies nothing of the sort.
[02:54:13] 	if your local configuration would allow it
[02:54:27] 	When you're talking 9.3 MB, configuration is the only issue.
[02:54:40] 	Simetrical: and if I were talking 50 megs?
[02:54:47] 	If you get to >1 GB, other problems may arise (e.g. upload clients not supporting 2 GB files).
[02:54:48] 	Same.
[02:55:09] 	I allow uploads of 100 MB to my site, I think.
[02:56:34] 	Simetrical: I wonder if you've tried large files?
[02:57:03] 	Didn't I just say I did?  Surely Wikimedia allows > 10 MB.
[02:57:15] 	Anyway, do you have Apache/PHP/MediaWiki configured right or not?
[03:07:04] 	03laner * r28380 10/trunk/extensions/SmoothGallery/ (SmoothGallery.i18n.php SmoothGallery.php): 
[03:07:04] 	Added support for single-image, and single-image with a warning fallback.
[03:07:04] 	Instead of showing a regular user gallery when javascript is disabled, you can
[03:07:04] 	now show a single image. To use this, use fallback="image" and
[03:07:04] 	fallback="image-warn" as arguments to .
[03:17:25] 	Simetrical: php.ini: Memory_limit = 128M; upload_max_filesize = 100M; 
[03:17:38] 	orangey, and Apache's max post size?
[03:17:39] 	But I'm not sure where one would configure such a thing in mediawiki
[03:18:43] 	You can't configure any of this in MediaWiki, you have to configure it in php.ini and httpd.conf . . .
[03:19:24] 	Simetrical: Just checking to see what the limit is in apache2. However, it was stated that mediawiki needed configuration, so just checking. (" Anyway, do you have Apache/PHP/MediaWiki configured right or not?")
[03:20:01] 	Well, try Apache and PHP first.
[03:20:12] 	MediaWiki should give you a nice friendly error message, not blank out.
[03:20:23] 	But look in the docs to find the MW option.
[03:20:28] 	yep yep.
[03:20:29] 	!configuration | orangey 
[03:20:29] 	orangey : *All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php. Do not edit any other file unless you want to get into serious hacking. You may want to *look* at the settings in DefaultSettings.php though, some are not in LocalSettings.php per default. See , , 
[03:20:48] 	Simetrical: yeah, I know.
[03:21:28] 	hmm. what's the post size config option in apache2
[03:21:29] 	?
[03:22:25] 	i'm getting a java I/O error while trying to create an index using LuceneSearch http://pastebin.ca/811662
[03:22:45] 	i have jdk-6 - is that the right version? anyone see what the problem could be? it's definitely not permissions - this is all in my userspace
[03:48:11] 	anyone here use an external editor to edit articles?
[03:48:12] 	hi
[03:48:18] 	i can't get editparticle.py to work
[03:48:25] 	editarticle.py
[03:48:31] 	i just read that there are no longer wiki-dumps available
[03:48:43] 	what is the workaround when trying to process lots of documents? 
[03:49:04] 	does anybody know why this service has been stopped?
[03:49:06] 	florian: you mean wikipedia?
[03:49:13] 	yeah
[03:49:32] 	well, they havenl't been stopped, you can still download them
[03:49:39] 	you were misinformed
[03:49:55] 	Currently Wikipedia does not allow or provide facilities to download all Images
[03:50:00] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
[03:50:09] 	would css allow for randomized banners?
[03:50:33] 	oh, images? 
[03:50:38] 	there have never been image dumps
[03:51:24] 	florian: we should talk about this in #wikimedia-tech
[04:04:16] 	Oh huh, there are more people here. Cools.
[04:04:55] 	So yeah, is it possible to have a randomized banner for only one CSS style out of many?
[04:06:39] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Random_content_extensions
[04:07:42] 	...And that's something you do with the style, not just something you can put in wiki pages?
[04:09:08] 	well you probably could make it pick between random css styles by having something like Template:RandomStyle, using an extension that picks from a random list or whatever with style="blah", each one being different
[04:09:46] 	and then using that template as part of a table or div, etc. like "{| {{RandomStyle}}"
[04:12:19] 	depending on random you want to get {{random container|style={{random style}}|{{random message}}}}
[04:13:18] 	Yeah...that sounds like something in a page itself to me.
[04:14:06] 	well if you wanting to insert just random css stylesheet, would have to write an extension to do that
[04:14:12] 	doesn't appear to be one, but I could be wrong
[04:14:53] 	that or use javascript to do it
[04:20:58] *TimStarling 	votes for javascript
[04:21:48] 	I don't know anyone that knows javascript, so I vote against it on grounds of laziness. :)
[04:21:57] 	so TimStarling...got time now to look over http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184 ?
[04:24:22] 	there a very trivial patch that just relocating two lines of code
[04:26:10] 	it doesn't look trivial to me
[04:26:14] 	it looks pretty complicated
[04:26:33] 	hence Simetrical's previous attempt to patch it in, and Brion's revert
[04:27:09] *Simetrical 	thinks we should load them all at the same time!
[04:27:12] 	that's because Simetrical moved it Simetrical accidentally put it inside an if block it shouldn't of been in
[04:27:22] 	Did I?
[04:27:23] *Simetrical 	looks
[04:27:30] 	yes
[04:27:39] 	my patch does the same thing without being inside the if block
[04:27:44] 	Hmm, so it did.
[04:27:48] 	That *would* explain it.  :D
[04:28:01] *Simetrical 	blames the unreadable MonoBook.php formatting
[04:28:42] 	I'm willing to test it out and commit it at some time other than 11:30 at night.
[04:28:48] 	Bug me sometime.
[04:29:01] 	hmm your one hour ahead of me
[04:29:10] *darkcode 	bugs you tomorrow midday than
[04:30:00] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[04:30:30] *Simetrical 	won't be here tomorrow midday, or any day midday before Thursday, but good luck with that anyway
[04:31:32] 	hmm ok, I'll bug you Thursday than
[04:32:15] 	if you haven't done it by than that is
[04:36:45] 	Hello everyone
[04:36:54] 	Does anyone have a sec to help me troubleshoot something?
[04:37:34] 	what is it? if anyone is here that knows the solution to the problem, it'll be answered
[04:38:17] 	I'm receiving the following error when attempting to log into my wiki:
[04:38:19] 	1146: Table 'dbname.mwuser' doesn't exist (localhost)
[04:38:37] 	dbname has replaced my real database name, but it is correct
[04:38:54] 	funny thing is though after receiving that error, if I go to the main wiki url, I am indeed logged in
[04:39:13] 	What version of MediaWiki?
[04:39:40] 	1.6.7
[04:39:44] 	03tstarling * r28381 10/trunk/extensions/GiveRollback/GiveRollback.page.php: It's not necessary to call User::load(), the accessor functions will do that.
[04:40:03] 	It should be "user" instead of "mwuser", as far as I know.  < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_table >
[04:40:15] 	right, and it is in the database
[04:40:28] 	...unless you're using Postgres, apparently.
[04:40:30] 	the table is "user"
[04:40:34] 	no, we're using mysql
[04:40:43] 	HALP ME
[04:41:01] 	!ask | Landlord 
[04:41:01] 	Landlord : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[04:41:08] 	:)
[04:41:15] 	ok
[04:41:46] 	According to my versions page, it's MediaWiki: 1.11.0
[04:42:10] 	So I tried adding a site notice to my wiki, and like it showed up and stuff, but i didn't like that it was formatting my text to where i couldn't change it, so i tried changing the css file to align the text left, just for starters, but it is fine code i am rpetty sure but it WON'T ALIGN LEFT
[04:42:11] 	Did you just install it?
[04:42:11] 	:(
[04:42:39] 	slavie: no, this has been running for awhile now
[04:42:48] 	!refresh | Landlord 
[04:42:48] 	Landlord : Your browser saves copies of pages it views so it doesn't download them again next time. This is usually good, but it can take several days to update CSS and JavaScript when they change. To force it to update ("refresh") in Firefox, press [CTRL] and [R] at the same time; for other browsers and more information, see .
[04:43:04] 	11•12mwbot11• i had someone else look at it and they said it wasn't on the left either
[04:43:26] 	twsepper: Is the problem new, or has it been happening since you installed?
[04:43:36] 	Landlord: Link?
[04:43:42] 	www.husker.wikia.com
[04:43:47] 	It's not new, but it hasn't been doing it since it was installed
[04:44:10] 	I took over the admin of this wiki about two months ago, so I didn't personally install it
[04:44:16] 	twsepper: Did you install any new extensions, or make any configuration changes?
[04:44:28] 	No
[04:47:15] 	Ew, wikia uses a JavaScript document.writeln.
[04:47:29] 	hi everyone 
[04:48:11] 	twsepper: I have no idea, then; it shouldn't start happening if nothing changed. Maybe your host changed some settings in its software?
[04:48:18] 	I am the host ;)
[04:48:32] 	I want to parse some wiki code which is in a string. I want to do this without using a parser hook. Any ideas?
[04:48:33] 	So I have no idea, then. ;)
[04:48:43] 	wiki text*
[04:49:16] 	Landlord: Add #siteNotice { text-align: right !important } to your common.css
[04:49:21] 	No problem slavie, I appreciate your trying to help :)
[04:49:27] 	Erm, left *
[04:49:31] 	who the hell told me it was #siteSub
[04:49:42] 	wait, i want hte text on the left
[04:49:44] 	silly -_-
[04:49:59] 	hm?
[04:50:20] 	i want text-align: left
[04:50:22] 	not right
[04:50:37] 	Yes, that's why I corrected myself :)
[04:50:42] 	oh
[04:50:44] 	missed that line :P
[04:50:55] 	if i do that will it also align images (if i happen to use them in the sitenotice) to the left
[04:51:07] 	Yes
[04:51:11] 	ok
[04:51:13] 	Landlord: What amidaniel|away said works for me in Firefox (image and text). :)
[04:51:15] 	ok nevermind. i got it. Output::parse method
[04:51:39] 	OutputPage::parse 
[04:51:45] 	YAY
[04:51:49] 	thank you amidaniel
[04:51:53] 	who isn't actually away
[04:52:12] *amidaniel|away 	is studying, but periodically looks up to see what's going on here :)
[04:52:17] 	And you're welcome :)
[05:00:29] 	amidaniel|away is there a way to get rid of the dismiss link for the site notice
[05:01:27] 	and also could i move the site notice somewhere via css?
[05:07:14] 	does anyone know how to allow more html tags?
[05:14:33] 	can you add more html tags to be allowed in pages??
[06:33:51] 	g'day
[06:34:11] 	guys, help me: apache 500 error after succes install of wiki Premature end of script headers: [patch to folder with wiki]index.php & error File does not exist:  [patch to folder with wiki]favicon.ini
[06:34:29] 	how 2 fix?
[06:37:45] 	guys
[06:44:45] 	anybody here? :(
[06:45:37] 	I AM HERE
[06:46:18] 	how 2 fix Premature end of script header in index.php?
[06:51:11] 	russkie est'?
[06:53:21] <[CodeWik]Loki>	good morning all
[06:53:22] <[CodeWik]Loki>	i need some help
[06:53:24] <[CodeWik]Loki>	anyone in?
[06:53:33] 	me... but i need help 2
[06:53:40] <[CodeWik]Loki>	hah
[06:53:42] <[CodeWik]Loki>	oh well
[06:54:21] <[CodeWik]Loki>	will just have to wait then
[06:54:50] 	maybe u know my error
[06:54:57] 	it's about Premature end of script header in index.php?
[06:55:03] <[CodeWik]Loki>	hehe, no idea..
[06:57:00] <[CodeWik]Loki>	maybe you know how to set up multiple wikis with the same source files..
[06:57:47] 	nope :( just with other mysql but in one server?
[06:58:42] <[CodeWik]Loki>	well.. its kinda like.. on the same server, on the same wiki installation, different mysql
[07:07:56] 	TimStarling: r28336 causes fatal errors with section editing
[07:11:58] 	03tstarling * r28382 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: Fix support for PPFrame with no title.
[07:12:00] 	Nikerabbit: how about now?
[07:16:11] 	TimStarling: much better :)
[07:17:36] 	I have error after success install : Premature end of script header in index.php
[07:24:38] 	jurasiks: is your wiki public?
[07:25:38] 	?
[07:25:48] 	what is the URL?
[07:26:06] 	sec
[07:26:37] 	can you make an image link to a different page?
[07:29:18] 	is there anyway I can pull the Number of Articles from one wiki to another?  Eg. get the number of articles of the English Wikipedia to show up on the German Wikipedia?
[07:30:38] 	I tried this but it doesn't look like it works: [[:en:{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]]
[07:39:03] 	 have error after success install : Premature end of script header in index.php - who can help me?
[07:39:42] <[CodeWik]Loki>	seriously need help here..
[07:40:30] <[CodeWik]Loki>	anyone up?
[07:43:21] 	03(NEW) Unable to Compare Selected Versions with postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (andrew)
[07:47:22] 	PHP Warning:  parse_url(http://) [function.parse-url]: Unable to parse URL in /var/www/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1960
[07:47:25] 	h  
[07:47:28] 	hmm*
[07:49:22] 	very nice, the warning is not mentioned in documentation
[07:49:41] 	"Partial URLs are also accepted, parse_url() tries its best to parse them correctly."
[07:52:18] 	03(mod) Unable to Compare Selected Versions with postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12273  (10andrew)
[07:53:24] *Werdna 	waves
[07:56:58] 	Nikerabbit: you shouldn't be fixing the link filter stuff
[07:57:04] 	Raymond said he would do it
[07:57:55] 	TimStarling: nice
[07:58:18] 	I gave him a list of about 20 errors, that was one of them
[07:58:36] 	yes. working on it.
[07:59:33] 	php error log is almost bigger than access log :/
[08:19:40] <[CodeWik]Loki>	anyone here? need some help with my wiki-installation
[08:21:17] 	there are always people here
[08:21:20] 	just ask your question
[08:21:22] 	[CodeWik]Loki: ask you question
[08:23:12] <[CodeWik]Loki>	okey, right..
[08:23:23] <[CodeWik]Loki>	i would want to run multiple wiki`s from the same wiki installation..
[08:23:32] <[CodeWik]Loki>	ive read a guide somewhere, but i just got a few php-errors..
[08:23:52] 	really?
[08:24:07] <[CodeWik]Loki>	i did the thing where you install it twice in the same directory, then give the local-settings files two different names, then you create a localsettings.php that contains a few lines of code..
[08:27:41] <[CodeWik]Loki>	anyone got any ideas?
[08:28:12] 	you haven't really been particularly specific
[08:28:24] <[CodeWik]Loki>	ok, il be more specific then..
[08:28:26] 	what tutorial? what php errors are you getting? what lines did you put in LocalSettings.php?
[08:28:59] 	I wasn't answering because I presumed you were going to give more information than the rough procedure and the fact that you got an error.
[08:29:01] <[CodeWik]Loki>	here is the tutorial... its included in some manual..
[08:29:02] <[CodeWik]Loki>	http://booleandreams.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/running-multiple-instance-of-mediawiki-on-the-same-server-using-the-same-source-code/
[08:29:25] <[CodeWik]Loki>	and.. after doing what is says, if you go to www.connect-utb.com/oldenwiki
[08:29:32] <[CodeWik]Loki>	Warning: Division by zero in /home/connect/public_html/oldenwiki/LocalSettings.php on line 4
[08:29:32] <[CodeWik]Loki>	Warning: require_once(noLocalSettingsphp) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/connect/public_html/oldenwiki/LocalSettings.php on line 7
[08:29:32] <[CodeWik]Loki>	Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'noLocalSettingsphp' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/connect/public_html/oldenwiki/LocalSettings.php on line 7
[08:29:53] 	yes, you forgot to put a '.' between noLocalSettings and php
[08:30:16] <[CodeWik]Loki>	now... i have one "noLocalSettings.php".. and one "enLocalSettings.php".. and i thought i had forgotten a "." too, but it doesnt look like it.. il check again..
[08:30:51] 	in LocalSettings.php, line 7, you have forgotten to put a '.' in noLocalSettings.php
[08:30:59] <[CodeWik]Loki>	nope, both the file itself and the entry in LocalSettings.php have the "." in front of ...
[08:31:05] <[CodeWik]Loki>	here is my LocalSettings.php file:
[08:31:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>		$callingURL = strtolower($_SERVER[?SERVER_NAME?]);
[08:31:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	$pos = strpos( $callingURL, www.connect-utb.com/oldenwiki); //e.g. www.firstwiki.com
[08:31:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	if ( $pos === false ) {
[08:31:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	        require_once(noLocalSettings.php);
[08:31:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	}
[08:31:10] <[CodeWik]Loki>	else
[08:31:12] <[CodeWik]Loki>	{
[08:31:14] <[CodeWik]Loki>	        require_once(enLocalSettings.php);
[08:31:16] <[CodeWik]Loki>	}
[08:31:18] <[CodeWik]Loki>	?>
[08:31:20] 	please, use a pastebin
[08:31:24] 	!nopaste | [CodeWik]Loki 
[08:31:31] 	!paste | [CodeWik]Loki 
[08:31:38] 	!pastebin | [CodeWik]Loki 
[08:31:38] 	[CodeWik]Loki : Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as  and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[08:31:48] <[CodeWik]Loki>	okies.. :) thanks..
[08:31:56] <[CodeWik]Loki>	didnt know..
[08:32:33] <[CodeWik]Loki>	http://mediawiki.pastey.net/78810 <-- LocalSettings.php file
[08:32:34] 	you need to put www....i in quotes
[08:32:35] <[CodeWik]Loki>	see anything wrong?
[08:32:46] <[CodeWik]Loki>	in " or ' ?
[08:33:25] 	either.
[08:33:28] <[CodeWik]Loki>	ok.. put it to: "www.connect-utb.com/oldenwiki"
[08:33:33] 	sure.
[08:33:34] <[CodeWik]Loki>	now som errors are gone..
[08:33:50] <[CodeWik]Loki>	now i get two errors: Warning: require_once(noLocalSettingsphp) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/connect/public_html/oldenwiki/LocalSettings.php on line 7
[08:33:59] <[CodeWik]Loki>	and: Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'noLocalSettingsphp' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/connect/public_html/oldenwiki/LocalSettings.php on line 7
[08:34:31] 	you also need to change your quotes around SERVER_NAME to the normal " or ', they seem to have been turned into "smart quotes" or whatever by your editor/browser
[08:34:34] <[CodeWik]Loki>	and i agree, it would seem like im missing a "." somewhere.. but its not in the filenames, and you have seen the LocalSettings.php file
[08:34:59] 	I would like to add a link into the special pages with limited access
[08:35:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	done.. but didnt help...
[08:35:12] 	should i make an extension for this?
[08:39:08] <[CodeWik]Loki>	hmm.. you dont have any suggestions do you?
[08:39:55] <[CodeWik]Loki>	figured it out
[08:40:04] 	those filenames need quotes, too.
[08:40:45] <[CodeWik]Loki>	yeah.. just figured it out..
[08:40:46] <[CodeWik]Loki>	cheers :D
[08:42:04] <[CodeWik]Loki>	but.. i am still yet to figure out how the system actually works..
[08:42:22] <[CodeWik]Loki>	how do i now access the two wikis? as only the english version shows up..
[08:44:44] <[CodeWik]Loki>	and if i have two subdomains, like en.codewiki.no should point to the english one, and no.codewiki.no should point to the norwegian one...
[08:45:09] 	that's what the if statement is
[08:45:14] 	for
[08:45:39] 	if your url contains www.connect-utb.com/oldenwiki, then you view the norwegian version
[08:45:46] 	otherwise, you view the english version
[08:46:09] <[CodeWik]Loki>	but there is only one wiki...
[08:46:31] <[CodeWik]Loki>	to quote the tutorial: We have different domains that link to one directory on your server
[08:47:57] 	one directory, but not one wiki
[08:48:01] 	you've made two wikis there
[08:48:03] <[CodeWik]Loki>	ooh.. right..
[08:48:15] <[CodeWik]Loki>	in my case its only one wiki.. but i get it now...
[08:48:24] <[CodeWik]Loki>	thanks.. this makes it all a lot easier.. lol
[08:50:21] <_wooz>	lo
[08:51:50] 	03raymond * r28383 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php: * Updates German
[08:53:14] <[CodeWik]Loki>	One thing though..
[08:53:32] <[CodeWik]Loki>	They say that the two wikis will then use the same Source Code.. what exactly is meant by this?
[08:54:05] <[CodeWik]Loki>	as in.. whats the point of doing this, when you could just edit the mysql databases for two seperate wikis to link to eachother?
[09:01:46] 	don't have to maintain two copies of the code
[09:03:53] <[CodeWik]Loki>	well..sorry if im stupid here.. but i just dont understand what the difference of this solution, compared to just having two seperate wiki installations that link to eachother through the database?
[09:04:31] 	as I said, you don't need to keep two copies of the software itself, which makes upgrading simpler.
[09:05:02] <[CodeWik]Loki>	but you still run two installations of mediawiki, dont you?
[09:05:08] 	03tstarling * r28384 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: Typo
[09:05:41] 	well no, two sets of content and users and that sort of thing on one installation.
[09:05:52] <[CodeWik]Loki>	hmm.. i see..
[09:11:37] <[CodeWik]Loki>	soo all the layout and templates are shared between the two wikis?
[09:12:10] 	not templates, but all the code
[09:12:13] 	internal stuff
[09:12:36] <[CodeWik]Loki>	hmm.. so its not an easy way to share templates ?
[09:12:56] <[CodeWik]Loki>	can you give any examples of what is shared between the two wikis? 
[09:13:17] 	if you upgrade the software, then both are done at the same time
[09:13:45] <[CodeWik]Loki>	thats the only advantage?
[09:14:08] 	well yes, and it doesn't eat up disk space
[09:14:44] <[CodeWik]Loki>	ah ok..
[09:15:22] <[CodeWik]Loki>	so it doesnt make the job of sharing templates, and userdatabase any easier then?
[09:15:47] 	correct
[09:15:56] 	use centralauth for sharing the user database
[09:16:18] <[CodeWik]Loki>	thanks.. is that a tricky endevour?
[09:16:49] 	read the extension readme
[09:16:59] <[CodeWik]Loki>	yeh.. trying to find it.. lol
[09:24:24] <[CodeWik]Loki>	got a link to that extension?
[09:24:37] <[CodeWik]Loki>	got it.. nvm
[09:24:54] <[CodeWik]Loki>	how stable is it exactly?
[09:52:19] 	03werdna * r28385 10/trunk/phase3/ (9 files in 5 dirs): 
[09:52:19] 	* (bug 2919) Allow the protection of non-existent pages using the regular protection interface.
[09:52:19] 	* WARNING: This revision requires a schema change, which is included in maintenance/archives/patch-protected_titles.sql, and can be applied in the normal manner (update.php).
[09:53:04] 	03(FIXED) Protecting non-existent pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2919  +comment (10Andrew)
[10:18:57] 	hi hope someone can help reached a deadend trying to install math support.  Followed instructions but I get an errir message when trying to make in the math directory... "Unbound module Util"
[10:24:15] 	re
[10:24:54] 	hi, know anything about installing math support?
[10:25:55] 	sorry, but nope
[10:27:19] 	got an error that google has not record of... never happened to me before, that
[10:28:56] 	ok
[10:29:30] 	 Premature end of script headers: /www/htdocs/index.php
[10:29:36] 	wtf? how 2 fix?
[10:29:57] 	after install 
[10:30:01] 	Apache 500
[10:30:05] 	error
[10:30:08] 	eh, you're running as cgi?
[10:30:12] 	?!
[10:30:17] 	how 2 fix?
[10:30:44] 	some pages loading
[10:30:51] 	but main index.php - no
[10:33:49] 	check permissions
[10:33:55] 	ls -l index.php
[10:34:02] 	in numbers plz
[10:34:06] 	0711?
[10:34:33] 	that is rwx--x--x
[10:34:35] 	index.php & index.php5?
[10:34:49] 	rwx - 7?
[10:34:55] 	i have total cmd
[10:35:01] 	try chmod +r index.php
[10:35:23] 	& index.php5?
[10:36:45] 	nothing
[10:36:50] 	just blank page
[10:39:35] 	u said about cgi? how to check?
[10:43:06] 	guys! help me :)
[10:49:50] 	how do i add my logo to my wiki site?
[10:50:09] 	ive put this in the localsettings
[10:50:10] 	$wgLogo				= true; /// defaults to "http://wiki.mafiamatrix.com/images/wikimatrix.jpg"
[10:50:13] 	but it doesntw ork..
[10:50:37] 	morning
[10:50:46] 	TehLex: try $wgLogo = "http://wiki.mafiamatrix.com/images/wikimatrix.jpg";
[10:51:46] 	ah yeah thanks Jack_Phoenix
[10:51:55] 	np, enjoy
[10:52:27] 	does anyone know if mysql 5.1 is supported for MW?
[10:52:37] 	im having some padding issues
[10:55:21] 	@search database
[10:55:21] 	Results: [api, deleteuser, farm, multiplewiki, wiki]
[10:55:33] 	@search mysql
[10:55:33] 	Results: [xampp]
[10:55:44] 	!xampp
[10:55:44] 	XAMPP is an easy to install bundle of Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl, and more stuff, available for all popular operating systems - see . For installing MediaWiki on XAMPP, see  and also .
[10:58:45] 	14(WFM) Editcounter down - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12260  (10dungodung)
[10:58:49] 	let me put it this way ;) if the database design isn't gonna change mediawiki will start falling over from mysql 5.1 and up as the varbinary type has changed
[11:00:07] 	yay!
[11:00:17] 	we proobably don't care until wikimedia starts using it :P
[11:00:38] 	yeah thats one way to deal with it :p
[11:04:15] 	anyone seen an "unbound module Util" error when trying to make the math support?
[11:06:21] 	@search varbinary
[11:06:21] 	Results: []
[11:06:35] 	@search prerequisites
[11:06:35] 	Results: []
[11:07:39] 	Premature end of script headers: /www/htdocs/index.php after install - how to fix it?!
[11:09:27] 	jurasiks: read you apache error log
[11:09:39] 	appearently you're using PHP as CGI
[11:28:59] 	@search permissions
[11:28:59] 	Results: [newusergroup]
[11:29:07] 	!newusergroup
[11:29:07] 	To create a new usergroup, simple set permissions for that group in LocalSettings.php, using $wgGroupPermissions. Then, simply add users to that group
[11:29:27] 	@search sysop
[11:29:27] 	Results: [css, javascript, oversight, passwordsql]
[11:29:40] 	!passwordsql
[11:29:40] 	UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT("1-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_id=1;  This will reset the password for the user with user_id 1 (the default admin account, usually WikiSysop) to "password".  If you do not know the name of the user account, execute: SELECT user_name FROM user WHERE user_id=1;
[11:29:40] 	03(NEW) Svg start and end markers are not rendered correctly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12274 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (svwikinh)
[11:30:09] 	!oversight
[11:30:09] 	Oversighting removes revisions from access by normal users and sysops. More information is available here: .
[11:30:39] 	@search change
[11:30:39] 	Results: [api, bugzilla, css, csshideheader, deleteuser, footer, logo, mainpage, purge, refresh, scap, undo]
[11:31:21] 	!scap
[11:31:21] 	Sync-Common-All-PHP - this is when SVN changes are synchronised to the application servers.  For further information, see 
[11:31:22] 	!undo
[11:31:22] 	'Undo' attempts to undo any single edit, not just the top edit. It essentially determines what was changed, and makes the reverse change; so you can easily undo a vandal edit that is followed by legitimate edits. See .
[11:40:22] 	hi
[11:41:03] 	Call to a member function selectRow() on a non-object <--- I'm getting this, googled it, no luck. anyone can tell me how to fix it?
[11:41:23] 	file and line number?
[11:41:29] 	why does a `php checkUsernames.php` in the maintenance folder results in: Fatal error: Class 'Title' not found in  xxxx/update.php on line 15
[11:41:57] 	Nikerabbit: let me see
[11:42:14] 	Nikerabbit: www/kunduz.org/htdocs/mediawiki/includes/User.php on line 703
[11:43:01] 	Kartagis: and mediawiki version?
[11:43:02] 	if i run update.php there is no erre.
[11:43:13] 	 /erre/error/
[11:43:42] 	Nikerabbit: 1.9.1
[11:44:41] 	Nikerabbit: that line is $s = $dbr->selectRow( 'user', '*', array( 'user_id' => $this->mId ), __METHOD__ );
[11:45:09] 	yeah
[11:46:04] 	so probably some problem with the database, it fails to get proper connection
[11:46:29] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Computing/2007_October_23 <--- says so too
[11:47:20] 	PunkRock: wfm
[11:47:34] 	anyone familiar with the DPL extension
[11:47:37] 	PunkRock: is your command line php which version?
[11:47:48] 	hrm, it seems the database server is not running
[11:48:17] 	that's a problem then :D
[11:48:35] 	you migh also want to consider updating, 1.9.1 is a bit old
[11:51:02] 	Nikerabbit: its PHP 5.2.3-1ubuntu6 (cli) 
[11:51:14] 	version seems good then..
[11:56:40] 	are there any calendar extensions?
[12:07:13] 	03(NEW) Messed are the parameters for recent changes and watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12275 normal; high; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (spiritia)
[12:45:42] 	morning Duesentrieb
[12:56:29] 	03(mod) Enable Gadgets extension in cs.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11994  (10jkbwiki)
[12:57:36] 	hello,can anyone tell me what was the latest mediawiki version running on a system with php 4 ?
[12:57:53] 	oh
[12:57:54] 	reallove: see topic
[12:57:59] *reallove 	just read the topic
[12:58:03] 	sorry:)
[12:58:13] 	you are welcome :)
[13:18:03] 	Hi everybody!
[13:32:31] 	@search case
[13:32:31] 	Results: []
[13:32:55] 	!help
[13:32:55] 	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[13:33:19] 	how can i deactivate this ucfirst procedure for titles in MW?
[13:33:42] 	there's a configuration setting on it
[13:33:46] 	i know
[13:33:50] 	but which one....?
[13:33:53] 	erm.
[13:33:55] 	try searching mediawiki.org for case-sensitive
[13:33:59] 	ok. i will look for it.
[13:37:20] *TimStarling 	is reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Substitution
[13:37:53] 	"A substitution with p=r replaces {{{p}}} and {{{p|q}}} by r; this includes the cases that r is of the form {{{s}}} or {{{s|t}}}."
[13:37:55] *Werdna 	sympathises.
[13:38:00] 	"A substitution with undefined p preserves {{{p}}} and {{{p|q}}}; the latter is not replaced by the default q (see below for a construct that is replaced by p if p is defined, and by q if not)."
[13:38:02] 	Preprocessor stuff, hmm?
[13:38:17] 	they're telling me things about the preprocessor that I didn't know myself
[13:38:25] 	which is nice, because that's kind of why I'm reading it
[13:40:35] 	heh. Didn't you write the original preprocessor?
[13:40:43] 	or was it avar
[13:41:01] 	avar? no
[13:41:14] 	magnus?
[13:41:48] 	depends what you call a preprocessor
[13:42:19] 	Lee introduced variables, e.g. {{CURRENTDAY}}, and the strip stage, for 
[13:42:29] 	I introduced templates
[13:43:13] 	Lee introduced a few constructs like {{LOCALURL:...}}, I generalised that to parser functions
[13:43:49] 	Lee?
[13:43:52] *Werdna 	checks credits
[13:44:11] *Werdna 	was thinking of "Lee Harvey Oswald", who probably did not invent variables.
[13:44:20] 	ah, Lee Daniel Crocker
[13:44:36] 	haven't ever heard from him.. did he move on?
[13:45:12] 	yes
[13:45:28] 	he started the phase 3 project, based on Magnus's phase 2
[13:45:57] 	ah.
[13:47:33] 	on Special:Version it lists PicturePopup as using 'AJAJ', should I change that to AJAX?
[13:48:10] 	no
[13:48:13] 	who wrote that?
[13:48:53] 	you did: PicturePopup (version 1.1)AJAJ extension for displaying popups similar to the image description page, when the image is clickedTim Starling
[13:49:20] 	in a comment?
[13:49:27] 	AJAJ = Asynchronous javascript and json?
[13:49:30] 	yes, at the top.
[13:49:43] 	I don't write extension credits normally, so I assume it was in a comment
[13:50:08] 	well yes, but it appears in credits, somehow
[13:50:10] 	yes, J = JSON
[13:51:28] 	in fact, how the hell does it even know that it was written by you? Maybe my grep is broken, but I can't finda  single occurrence of 'starling' in the extension directory.
[13:55:30] 	that would be siebrand in r28378
[13:57:54] 	ah, it's since I last svn up'd my extensions directory
[13:59:54] 	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20Create=20new=20namespace?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20=D0=90=D0=B2=D1=82=D0=BE=D1=80=20in=20bg?=.wikisource.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12276  (10N/A)
[14:00:05] 	o_O
[14:00:41] 	when I use "{{ #time: [[j F]] [[Y]] | 1 July 1968 }}
[14:00:53] 	1 January 1970 is displayed
[14:01:29] 	.. but other addresses work correctly
[14:01:34] 	what am I doing wrong?
[14:01:56] 	nothing
[14:02:12] 	?
[14:02:26] 	isn't that what you expected to get?
[14:02:26] 	why isn't it displaying the correct date, then?
[14:02:39] 	because it's before the start of time of course
[14:02:47] 	what start time?
[14:02:57] 	no, the start of all time, the beginning of the universe
[14:03:08] 	didn't you know the universe was created on January 1, 1970?
[14:03:29] 	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12276   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:03:40] 	no, seriously .. what's the work around?
[14:04:01] 	see, there's a function called strtotime(), it's part of PHP
[14:04:17] 	it's about 200KB of automatically generated C code
[14:04:41] 	it doesn't support dates before January 1, 1970
[14:05:04] 	we're not going to write our own version, because it's immensely complex, and slow even in C
[14:05:34] 	so the workaround is not to use #time
[14:05:38] 	so .. there is absolutely no support for dates before 1/1/1970?
[14:05:43] 	oh
[14:05:44] 	ok
[14:05:47] 	not in #time, no
[14:06:02] 	stupid unix
[14:06:13] 	there's no problem on our end, #time would implicitly support negative timestamps if strtotime() returned them
[14:06:25] 	yeah .. I get it
[14:06:26] 	but it doesn't
[14:06:47] 	you could file a bug report against PHP
[14:06:54] 	but the bug tracker admins there are nazis
[14:07:02] 	heh, yeah
[14:07:20] 	they can mark a bug "bogus" before it finishes saving
[14:07:42] 	well, I'm just making a template to ease linking dates
[14:07:43] 	so I don't bother these days except for blindingly obvious bugs like reproducible crashes
[14:07:53] 	.. is there one out there that will do what I'm looking for?
[14:08:10] 	even a reproducible deadlock was too complicated for them, they marked it "invalid", expected behaviour
[14:08:42] 	we have a whole module in mediawiki which does that alone, it's called DateFormatter
[14:08:52] 	is there something wrong with it?
[14:09:18] 	if by wrong, you mean I didn't know it existed
[14:09:26] 	then yes .. it's totally broken
[14:09:42] 	do I have to invoke it?
[14:09:48] 	03werdna * r28386 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (archives/patch-protected_titles.sql tables.sql): Remove annoying `s from the definition of the protected_titles table.
[14:09:55] 	$wgUseDynamicDates
[14:10:44] 	and unlike #time, it works back as far as you want to go
[14:11:03] 	but it's really really slow?
[14:11:16] 	I just set that to true, and any text that is date-formatted will link?
[14:11:19] 	just ugly
[14:11:59] 	any date with a link
[14:12:08] 	you can probably find some documentation somewhere
[14:12:31] 	and how
[14:13:11] 	yeah .. I was hoping to not have to have my users put links in their dates .. and auto-link them
[14:14:47] 	03brion * r28387 10/trunk/extensions/OAI/oaiUpdate.php: Accept a --from parameter to force updates from a certain timestamp
[14:15:13] 	hey, it's brion
[14:15:21] 	hey, its DUC
[14:15:24] 	indeed. he's been hiding from IRC.
[14:15:39] 	nickserv says he hasn't been on for 3 days.
[14:17:04] 	:-?
[14:17:06] 	:D
[14:17:15] 	i saw him some time ago
[14:18:01] 	can somebody point me to some documentation regarding the latest supported mysql server for mw
[14:18:17] 	14:18 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 2 days (22h 45m 22s) ago
[14:18:36] 	sp00n: best person to ask is domas, he works for mysql and mediawiki
[14:19:16] 	"Normally wikitext like {{subst:a|b}} is not saved as such if the template exists, because the substitution is applied."
[14:19:28] 	"It can be created using Template:subst containing "{{subst:" by {{subst:subst}}a|b}} producing the wikitext {{subst:a|b}}; on the next save (with or without edits elsewhere on the page) this results in substitution of template "a"."
[14:19:30] 	charming
[14:19:58] 	...
[14:20:13] 	! love
[14:20:13] 	You don't have permission to do that.
[14:20:18] 	sh't
[14:23:00] 	sp00n: latest supported? well, latest should work fine...
[14:23:30] 	apparently 5.1 has issues with varbinary
[14:23:35] 	domas: n'est-ce pas?
[14:23:50] 	ah, right, i remember someone having issues
[14:24:00] 	could be an upgrade issue though
[14:24:08] 	anyway... just make it varchar :)
[14:24:13] 	varbinary padding
[14:24:16] 	lol
[14:24:19] 	yes
[14:24:27] 	domas: does mw play nicely with mysql 5.1?
[14:24:31] 	the latest supported mysql release is mysql-4.wikimedia!!
[14:24:38] 	hehe
[14:24:55] 	lol
[14:25:27] 	mark: haha
[14:25:56] 	problem with that is that i will follow a path of no or manual upgrading for the time being ;)
[14:27:28] 	5.0.15 and up btw
[14:27:41] 	myself im running 5.0.46
[14:27:41] 	yihi
[14:27:59] *Werdna 	is running .26
[14:28:14] 	running .26 seconds every meter?
[14:28:24] 	yep
[14:28:51] 	Oky
[14:28:52] 	is there a parser functions to strip links from a template parameter?
[14:28:54] 	Have a grog
[14:29:47] 	DigitallyBorn: you a bot?
[14:30:08] 	;)
[14:30:19] 	Umm, no?
[14:31:02] 	I just want to remove wikitext from a param to do a #ifeq: on it
[14:31:47] 	hmm.. I don't think it can be done
[14:32:04] 	for it involves a rather expensive parse.. certainly something you could write yourself, if you need it
[14:32:29] 	is wikitext processed before parser functions?
[14:32:55] 	no
[14:33:07] 	the bold, italic stuff is done afterwards.
[14:34:43] 	links?
[14:36:00] 	yes, I believe so.
[14:37:03] 	sweet .. I just used: {{ #replace: {{ #replace: {{{1}}} | [ }} | ] }} }}
[14:38:06] 	job skills: mediawiki template programmer
[14:38:27] 	haha
[14:38:39] 	I'm worried about installing StringFunctions
[14:38:54] 	pourquoi?
[14:39:01] 	TimStarling: Why?
[14:39:03] 	once we have StringFunctions, it'll be possible to write a whole compiler in wikitext
[14:39:11] 	... really?
[14:39:15] 	people will implement little mini languages on top of templates
[14:39:24] *Drunken_IDiot 	away Getting Drunk in reality >> Playing Piano <<
[14:39:31] 	I'd like to see that..
[14:39:33] 	oh .. worried about the long term :D
[14:39:35] 	it'll only be a matter of time before someone rewrites mediawiki in it
[14:39:38] 	it'd be as nifty as it was depressing
[14:39:41] 	then it'll be self-describing, like TeX
[14:40:10] 	;)
[14:40:31] 	TimStarling: are you exaggerating, or will it actually be possible?
[14:41:49] 	exaggerating about mediawiki...
[14:42:04] 	but it will most certainly be used to interpret template parameters in unexpected ways
[14:42:19] 	tokenizing, etc.
[14:42:40] 	we've already seen that the lack of a loop construct doesn't stop anything at all
[14:42:50] 	people will just unroll it to however many iterations they need
[14:43:14] 	TimStarling: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StackFunctions and also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Winter
[14:43:47] 	... it has begun
[14:43:50] 	hi my main page is locked for ip though $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['read']= true; is defined in localsettings.php
[14:43:57] 	has anybody an idea!?
[14:44:18] 	Duesentrieb: well, there have always been extensions
[14:44:26] 	moonlight: define 'locked for ip'
[14:44:49] 	TimStarling: I meant 'are you exaggerating about writing a compiler'?
[14:44:53] 	TimStarling: yes, sure... but the stack based one... WHY?!
[14:44:57] 	huh?! where do i do that!? and with which variable!?
[14:45:15] 	moonlight: he was asking what you mean by that expression
[14:45:28] 	oh ok...
[14:45:33] 	moonlight: can you give us a url?
[14:46:01] 	ehm for everybody who is not logged in "You must log in to view other pages." appears
[14:46:12] 	the wiki is not visible
[14:47:03] 	moonlight: perhaps you have  $wgWhitelistRead read set?
[14:47:15] 	mhm i take a look mom
[14:47:17] 	-read
[14:47:56] 	here's an example of a current invocation:
[14:47:56] 	{{Articleissues
[14:47:56] 	| peacock = December 2007
[14:47:56] 	| unreferenced = December 2007
[14:47:56] 	| weasel = December 2007
[14:47:57] 	}}
[14:47:59] 	or you are using some extension that imposes additional restrictions
[14:48:19] 	with StringFunctions, you could add natural language processing...
[14:48:56] 	{{Articleissues | peacock, unreferenced and weasel since December 2007; COI since March 2008 }}
[14:49:06] 	... serious?
[14:49:11] *Werdna 	looks at StringFunctions
[14:49:12] 	yeah, absolutely
[14:49:14] 	that's quite possible
[14:49:46] 	we didn't bother discussing all the possible abuses of templates when we first introduced them, because we thought we were making it hard enough that nobody would bother
[14:49:52] 	but they did bother
[14:50:24] 	There is no hard enough :)
[14:50:32] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Loop&action=edit
[14:50:47] 	trivial, eh?
[14:50:57] 	and we didn't even have to introduce #if to make conditional constructs
[14:50:58] 	where is StringFunctions? I can't find it in extensions
[14:51:20] 	it turned out to be possible to use the conditional implicit in template argument defaults, to make an if construct
[14:51:36] 	whoa
[14:51:37] 	it's on mediawiki.org, and in bugzilla
[14:51:59] 	anyway, that was {{qif}}, if construct using template defaults
[14:52:07] 	ooh, that.
[14:52:11] 	then if you have an if, you can make a switch, and they did
[14:52:14] 	I remember the on-wiki debacle from that.
[14:52:28] 	#if made me so happy I didn't have to use qif anymore
[14:53:17] 	I think it was Rob Church who introduced padleft and padright
[14:53:31] 	Of course, this shows an inherent problem with the development process: It's too unreliable to get something done by a developer, so people try to do stuff with wikitext instead of in extensions/core
[14:53:32] 	he really should have thought harder about that, because they've been used to construct basic substring operations
[14:53:47] 	TimStarling: what happened to rob anyway? bad case of real life? 
[14:53:52] 	don't know
[14:53:55] 	:/
[14:54:45] 	I'm almost inclined at this stage to introduce a full-blown scripting language as a parser function
[14:55:04] 	because templates are butt-ugly and everyone knows it
[14:55:38] 	that'd be nicer to the database servers, but nastier to apaches, right?
[14:55:48] 	mmm.... http://www.gnu.org/software/lightning/
[14:56:01] 	we'll compile to native
[14:56:36] 	How's that stack-based parser coming? :)
[14:56:37] 	don't know if that would solve the uglyness issue though
[14:58:39] 	point is, if you introduce a scripting language which is fast by nature, then it's a lot harder to slow things down
[14:58:54] 	than if you're using templates, which of course are not fast at lal
[14:58:56] 	all
[14:59:20] 	mmm.. if you can't stop them from doing it, you can at least minimise the damage
[15:00:13] 	well, I was driven by that kind of defeatism to create ParserFunctions
[15:00:41] 	but if you're driven by just giving way to pressure, you don't have such a clear idea of where you're going
[15:02:03] 	well, it's not necessarily giving way. It's just responding to the needs of the users. We know that users want this kind of stuff, and your time is better spent helping them get that with minimal server-kitty casualties than just knee-jerk disabling anything that gets abused.
[15:02:29] 	but they ask for too little
[15:02:44] 	In the same way that, instead of just saying "tough" to the people who were complaining that ifexist limits were breaking ProtectedTitles, I implemented a whole replacement system.
[15:02:54] 	what do you mean?
[15:04:38] 	well, nobody ever asks for a complete scripting language built in to mediawiki
[15:05:02] 	they ask for a substring operation, or a time difference calculator
[15:05:13] 	of course they don't. They probably think it'll be dismissed out of hand
[15:05:21] 	TimStarling: Can I have a scripting language built into mediawiki?
[15:05:25] 	it probably would
[15:05:40] 	my point is that merely giving in to users doesn't provide a rational large-scale design
[15:06:11] 	if you trickle out features in response to user demands, you risk ending up with incoherent rubbish
[15:06:25] 	What if they could setup some other kind of extensibility, as opposed to a scripting language
[15:06:36] 	DigitallyBorn: are you a wikimedia user?
[15:06:48] 	don't think so
[15:07:02] 	then I don't care what you want ;)
[15:07:06] 	haha
[15:07:09] 	maybe a level of coding between "Access to raw PHP code, bad versions of which could cause massive damage to servers" and "able to write templates"
[15:07:12] 	is in order.
[15:07:14] 	go find a wikipedian to ask me for a scripting language
[15:07:55] 	I feel so .. dismissed
[15:08:00] 	I mean, the reason why people mplement things as templates, rather than as extensions or core code is because the development process has the appearance of being fairly inaccessible.
[15:08:06] *Duesentrieb 	wonders what scripting languages have been implemented on top of php. and finds the idea as such a bit perverted.
[15:08:36] 	Werdna: well, that's what I'm saying, introduce an embeddable scripting language which is safe enough to be publically editable
[15:08:53] 	and I'm not talking about one that's on top of PHP
[15:09:05] 	Since we're all volunteers, people without subversion access usually have to beg developersto apply their patches, and many developers aren't willing to take responsibility for a change.
[15:09:15] 	(a change that isn't theirs)
[15:09:45] 	then there's having it checked and amendments made, and the steep learning curve that we're all expected to climb to become well-acquainted with the development process.
[15:09:57] 	I mean, you can't blame people for just using templates and bots -- they just work.
[15:10:21] 	TimStarling: how hard would it be to bind SpiderMonkey to PHP?
[15:10:36] 	JavaScript?
[15:10:57] 	I guess it's a modern, popular kind of language
[15:11:22] 	it compiles to bytecode, doesn't it?
[15:11:47] 	not traditionally
[15:11:47] 	it's possible, i'm sure
[15:11:51] 	no idea if spidermonkey does
[15:12:03] 	http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/JavaScript_C_Engine_Embedder%27s_Guide
[15:12:11] 	js as a language is actually pretty decent. the browser/dom stuff is what makes it suck
[15:12:20] 	ah, here we go: http://freshmeat.net/projects/php-js/
[15:12:52] 	"You have two choices: 1.) compile and execute a script with a single call to JS_EvaluateScript, JS_EvaluateUCScript or 2.) compile the script once with a call to JS_CompileScript or JS_CompileUCScript, and then execute it repeatedly with individual calls to JS_ExecuteScript. The "UC" versions of these calls provide support for Unicode-encoded scripts."
[15:13:29] 	sounds like bytecode to me
[15:13:30] 	hm... what does "compile" do? just a pre-parse, or real bytecode?
[15:13:39] 	bytecode isn't machine code
[15:13:45] 	i'm aware of that
[15:13:51] *Duesentrieb 	is a java guy
[15:14:23] 	actually, it is - it's machine code for a virtual machine
[15:14:30] 	sure it is
[15:14:31] 	stack based, in the case of jvm
[15:14:45] 	is it possible to get mediawiki by cvs ? I mean, maybe there is something that interfaces svn to a cvs server...
[15:14:50] *TimStarling 	thinks machines are things that you can drop on the ground and break
[15:15:03] 	ThomasV: why would anyone want to do that?
[15:15:08] 	Duesentrieb: I have a server with cvs and no svn
[15:15:14] 	and I am not root
[15:15:21] 	ask for svn to be installed
[15:15:24] 	or use a tarball
[15:15:41] 	or check out to your own box and upload
[15:15:43] 	using tarballs makes updates complicated
[15:15:51] 	not really
[15:15:58] 	get new tarbal, untar.
[15:16:13] 	yep, but I usually modify the code as well :-)
[15:16:29] 	then get a decent development environment
[15:16:38] 	:-)
[15:17:40] 	couldn't you install svn from source?
[15:17:48] 	I am considering that...
[15:18:23] 	why from source?
[15:18:24] 	but it would be much simpler if there was a cvs server reading from the svn repo
[15:18:42] 	ThomasV: just ask for it to be installed. you stand a decent chance
[15:18:45] 	Duesentrieb: only way you can do it as a normal user.
[15:18:58] 	Werdna: why's that?
[15:19:15] 	package management systems don't let you install as non-root
[15:21:20] 	Werdna: that's not enitrely true afaik. and you can always install binaries without using a packaging system.
[15:21:28] 	no need to compile, if you don't want to
[15:21:58] 	(and no need to get dev packages of all the dependencies - svn has a lot of dependencies, the ssl stuff is nastiy i tell you=
[15:22:20] 	hoşçakalın / bye
[15:23:03] 	thx for for ideas but i found the error...i use the lockdown extensio...anyway i granted every right in every namespace to sysop...that's why...
[15:24:50] 	moonlight: that lockdown is for *restricting* rights. so you *restricted* all reights in all namespaces to sysop.
[15:25:03] 	but i did hint at extensions :)
[15:25:48] 	yeah i found out :-D
[15:29:14] 	i have a question how can i grant right to more than one user group!? with the lockdown extension°? like this?$wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[112]['edit'] = array('FAQ Editor');
[15:29:16] 	$wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[112]['read'] = array('Developer');
[15:29:47] 	$wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[112]['read'] = array('Developer', 'Editor', 'Fools');
[15:30:03] 	and again: it *restricts* the permission to those groups.
[15:30:28] 	it imposes additional resitrictions on top of the normal group permissions.
[15:31:30] 	as the manual sais: "Note that the Lockdown extension can only be used to *restrict* access, not to *grant* it. If access is denied by some built-in setting of MediaWiki, it cannot be allowed using the Lockdown extension."
[15:31:32] 	you can edit restrict namespaces in 1.11+ without the need of extensions, IIRC
[15:32:51] 	editing, yes
[15:32:53] 	but only editing
[15:32:55] 	ah ok thx...i know it's the goel that it restricts the permission...because i use the wiki as a knowledgemanagement system for projects
[15:33:05] 	hence "edit restrict" ;)
[15:33:34] 	which would cover the first of the two things he stated
[15:33:44] 	there is no otherway to protect the rights of the project partner...you know what i mean!?
[15:33:54] 	like use another tool ok...
[15:35:52] 	I just upgraded mediawiki... the math stuff still gives an error.. says it can't find texvc but it is there in the math directory... any ideas?
[15:38:38] 	dino13: "it" being what? a compiled binary? flagged as executable? readable to php user? the directory too?
[15:42:59] 	it's ok after I compiled it it seems it was a chache problem.   It works when I edit the page.
[15:43:14] 	it = texvc
[15:43:53] 	hmm, building svn from sources does not sem to be an option...
[15:46:04] 	dino13: yea, error messages are cached like anything else. be sure to purge after changing anything about the setup.
[16:07:40] 	ThomasV: It is possible, you just have to get the right combination of prerequisites. I have a bash script which downloads all the files and compiles them locally if you would like me to send you a copy..
[16:10:08] 	minute: I downloaded the subversion-deps tarball along with svn... 
[16:10:26] 	but the server where I am is complaining at the ld stage of make
[16:10:31] 	configure was ok
[16:12:12] 	Oh, fair enough.
[16:13:05] 	Hi, I downloaded wikimedia src, I was wondering if I could use image gallery's as a place for uploading images, cause my host is limited. Can you help me, please?
[16:15:04] 	!externalimages | GNU_D
[16:15:04] 	GNU_D: To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see . To limit this to some specific sources, see .
[16:17:16] 	Duesentrieb: No, what I need is to use external storage as image gallery, I need a way wiki to connect with some image gallery's where have password and usr name.
[16:18:47] 	i don't quite understand... 
[16:18:55] 	if you want to upload your images somewhere else, do so. 
[16:19:04] 	using the externalimages stuff, you can use them in your wiki
[16:19:19] 	advanced stuff lice automatic thumbnailing can of course not work this way.
[16:20:49] 	It's like this, I for example have an external gallery's, in which I have to type a usr name and password, for this the wiki need to enter usr name and password to write in it, it this thing supported?
[16:22:30] 	no. also, why would the wiki need or want to write to another website?
[16:22:36] 	that doesn't make sense, really.
[16:23:26] 	GNU_D: The only solution, other than writing an extension (see the links mwbot gave you) would be to get a better host.
[16:24:16] 	no, if I have a picture, and the picture must be in the wiki's image directory, right?
[16:24:17] 	- But, if I don't have space enough in the host, I need to write those pictures in another storage.
[16:25:03] 	Yes, and the only reasonable way to do that would be to use an extension that integrates such functionality into MediaWiki.
[16:25:15] 	GNU_D: that's why i am telling you how to use *external* images
[16:25:22] 	which don't have to be in the wiki's image directory
[16:25:47] 	but that why I have upload them manualy
[16:26:09] 	minute: a fully http based file store would be quite cool. but it would need a "cooperative" opposite - but maybe some standard interface could be used (webdav?)
[16:26:11] 	How to see the list of the users?
[16:26:33] 	GNU_D: you always have to upload thme naually. to one site or the other, where's the difference? upload is upload.
[16:26:41] 	GNU_D: users are at Special:Listusers
[16:26:44] 	Duesentrieb: Yeah...
[16:26:56] 	thanks
[16:32:39] 	How to change some ust to administrator?
[16:32:44] 	ust = usr
[16:33:27] 	Special:Userrights
[16:33:37] 	thanks again
[16:33:40] 	(if you have beureaucrat privs)
[16:34:04] <_Steve_>	stupid question: can i do redirects to external pages? if not, is there an extension for that?
[16:34:06] 	I installed it ;)
[16:34:47] 	_Steve_: no, and i don't thinks so. but you can enabled interwiki-redirects, and give an interwiki-prefix to the site you want to redirect to.
[16:35:14] 	_Steve_: however, this is not recommended. internal links should be internal. links to other sites should be specified as external. everythign else is confusing.
[16:35:26] <_Steve_>	ok
[16:37:15] <_Steve_>	http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/MDC:External_Redirects
[16:38:01] 	_Steve_: that's a hack/extension that they developed and not supported normally on mediawiki installs
[16:38:10] <_Steve_>	ok
[16:38:25] <_Steve_>	i guess i was just wondering, if they do it, how confusing can it be...
[16:39:21] 	yeah, it's a hack
[16:39:57] 	so, quite confusing, and possibly dangerous
[16:43:51] 	guys, i have error after install Wiki... but i dont know error in logs: Premature end of script headers: /www/htdocs/index.php ... and i dont know what's wrong... just blank page
[16:44:21] 	installation was succesful
[16:44:29] 	did you relocate localsettings.php to your main directory?
[16:45:16] 	yes.
[16:45:51] 	03raymond * r28388 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/FileDeleteForm.php): * Set proper page title for successful file deletion
[16:46:20] <_Steve_>	can mediawiki handle attaching a pdf to a page?
[16:46:29] 	jurasiks: ok... try going to http://yoursite/path/to/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page instead of the php file itself, see if that helps
[16:47:41] 	i have talkin about this link = blank page
[16:48:03] 	How to make a new category?
[16:48:15] 	GNU_D: create the Category:name page like any other page
[16:48:24] 	then just put [[Category:name]] on other pages to include them
[16:48:38] 	Ok, thanks
[16:57:25] 	I am now getting an error: permission denied for sequence log_log_id_seq but I can't find log_log_id_seq in order to set permissions for it, any ideas?
[16:57:38] 	03rotem * r28389 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[17:00:34] 	03raymond * r28390 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/PageHistory.php): 
[17:00:34] 	* (bug 11221) Do not show 'Compare selected versions' button for a history page with one revision only
[17:00:34] 	* Use proper XML function
[17:00:34] 	* Document a bit
[17:01:38] 	What is http://netfast.org/blog/, whenever I have bad links in my wikimedia, it redirects me on that blog, why?
[17:02:00] 	mediawiki?
[17:02:19] 	src wiki, or what's it's name
[17:18:28] 	In which folder I can find the function Special:Upload?
[17:18:55] 	I ment php script file
[17:19:10] 	includes/SpecialUpload.php
[17:19:46] 	Thanks
[17:20:58] 	hmmm... any ideas on how to poke some images in to Special:Recentchanges?
[17:22:12] 	03raymond * r28391 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/DeletedContributions_body.php: 
[17:22:12] 	* Hackish fix for missing messages. They were deleted with r28254.
[17:22:12] 	It's a mess when extensions use core messages :(
[17:26:16] 	If I change the function of uploading to the server, with uploading elsewhere, are there other dependency's which I need to change?
[17:28:45] 	GNU_D: there's a configuration setting for the upload path
[17:28:57] 	where
[17:30:00] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUploadPath for the old setting and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLocalFileRepo for the new one
[17:30:10] 	thanks
[17:33:51] 	03rotem * r28392 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.i18n.php: Fixing category name.
[17:34:22] 	Hello
[17:34:26] 	hi
[17:39:26] 	03rotem * r28393 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.i18n.php: Additional fix.
[18:03:04] 	What is a good source of documentation/manual for admin and users of mediawiki? 
[18:03:26] 	www.mediawiki.org
[18:03:53] 	Werdna: so in other words, from the conversation before, all other things being equal - better just to write an extension if you know how and have access
[18:04:00] 	rather than try to do in a template
[18:22:24] 	is there some way to find out how many users have made at least 1 edit?
[18:22:25] 	I am the Wiki Admin, is there any way to look up user passwords? one of my users forgot his
[18:23:00] 	XDuxaX: !passwordreset
[18:23:04] 	oop
[18:23:13] 	!passwordreset | XDuxaX
[18:23:13] 	XDuxaX: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[18:23:14] 	!passwordreset |XDuxaX
[18:23:44] 	XDuxaX, there's also a maintenance script that does it, which you can run for the shell
[18:23:52] 	*from the shell
[18:28:53] 	zocky: i think this doesn't exist, but there's a script to remove unused accounts that can also list them without removing
[18:29:24] 	i really need that info for en.wiki
[18:29:43] 	03aaron * r28394 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: fix silly copy-paste errors
[18:30:06] 	I want to find out the used usernames/registered usernames ratio
[18:43:28] 	"used" as in "made an edit"?
[18:52:44] 	k i got the password change extension installed.. what do I type in the address bar to show that page?
[18:53:46] 	Special:Passwordreset
[19:23:29] 	hi/re
[19:24:23] 	any body here alive ?
[19:25:12] 	some
[19:26:16] 	Ok. I found some issue - and don't know is it bug ot not
[19:26:28] 	ask
[19:26:33] 	shoot
[19:27:25] 	Example is:
[19:27:26] 	{{PD-author|Abc}}
[19:27:28] 	{{PD-author|Abc}} 
[19:28:28] 	ok... ?
[19:28:32] 	What's the issue?
[19:28:55] 	The first case works, the second show {{{1}}} instead Abc
[19:29:12] 	Because it says = in there
[19:29:31] 	you need {{PD-author|1=Abc}}
[19:29:32] 	You're giving it parameter Abc
[19:29:55] 	or use the escape char for "="
[19:30:18] 	Or make a lang parameter to the template :)
[19:30:33] 	How to LocalFileRepo to be ftp server, protected with user name and password?
[19:30:48] 	that works too... but if this is for a wikimedia project, IIRC those templates are fully protected
[19:31:29] 	Well, this is exaple, if I use something like {{temp|Lalala {{Abs}}}} 
[19:31:30] *Dashiva 	shakes fist at wikimedia
[19:32:14] 	GNU_D: uh... I don't think you can
[19:32:27] 	why not?
[19:32:44] 	because it wasn't designed that way
[19:32:56] 	Well... how use escape for "=" ? Is it somewere in FAQ ?
[19:33:18] 	Skizzerz: But what to do?
[19:33:25] 	Buratin: use =
[19:33:55] 	although I don't know if it will parse correctly that way
[19:34:02] 	GNU_D: I have no idea
[19:34:21] 	Buratin: If you're using a template, you're generally better off with 1=
[19:34:29] 	the ftp is only write protected
[19:34:32] 	Since you don't know what might come out of the other template
[19:41:22] 	Skizzerz,  well, template work but not parsed  and out is  instead of 
[19:41:40] 	yeah, figured that would happen...
[19:51:57] 	any api dudes around this hour?
[19:56:40] 	hi, I have created an extesion that add pseudo-html tag, but internal links defined by [[ and ]] aren't parsed by mediawiki, why?
[19:57:04] 	Skizzerz,  well, it is not bug, it is feature... so I can use constrution like {{Tmp|1=Some text {{tmp2}} }}  where tmp2 has   thank all for help
[19:57:52] 	absss: probably because it's being parsed after mediawiki does all its stuff
[19:58:06] 	what hook are you using?
[19:58:24] 	$wgParser->setHook( 'panel', 'efTextCanavasRender' );
[19:59:05] *Skizzerz 	meant like via $wgHooks to inject your code into the appropriate spot in the parsing stage
[20:00:48] 	absss: write a parser function, not a tag hook.
[20:00:49] 	http://rafb.net/p/WPtp6B28.html this is the extension... i call it at the end of LocalConfig
[20:00:50] 	!extensions
[20:00:50] 	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See  for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See  for an overview of known extensions.
[20:01:57] 	btw, how hard is it to get SVN commit access? I wanted to add an extension I wrote there
[20:03:09] 	Skizzerz: you get it when you are contributing so many useful patches for the core that people get annoyed by having to commit them for you.
[20:03:23] 	Duesentrieb: I'll keep that in mind ;)
[20:03:32] 	Skizzerz: there's no need to add extensions to SVN. Host it wherever you like. Put a page up on mediawiki.org
[20:03:51] 	kk, once it's out of the experimental stage :P
[20:04:12] 	Skizzerz: "experimental" is a valid status tag on mediawiki.org :)
[20:04:19] 	experimental -> beta -> stable
[20:04:35] 	lots of experimental stuff tehre
[20:04:48] 	I know... but I don't mean experimental in that regard, but experimentall as in I don't know which direction I'm planning on developing it further
[20:04:57] 	hehe
[20:05:00] 	well, whatever :)
[20:06:05] 	Duesentrieb: i made the extension as mediawiki manual says: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions    I did't add nothing.
[20:07:10] 	"Database::select". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'wikidb.mw_protected_titles' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[20:07:17] 	absss: but "tag extensions" may not be the type you want. tah hooks are expected to putput html. if you want your output to be treated as wikitext, write a parser *functioN* instead.
[20:07:22] *AaronSchulz 	sighs
[20:08:12] 	absss: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions
[20:08:31] 	so can't I do a thing like [[mediawiki]] parsed text ??
[20:09:26] 	, for example, parse internal links... but this don't work: http://wikilatin.netsons.org/latin/Proposizione_concessiva
[20:12:40] 	fuck, the new table has no prefix
[20:12:52] 	nobody knows the cause of the problem?
[20:13:06] 	absss: use a parser function instead of a tag
[20:14:24] 	but i need a tag! why  should work and my tag shouldn't? there is a solution, this is sure
[20:15:12] 	then use $wgOut->addWikiText or something for your output. I have no idea
[20:15:35] 	You could check what ref does
[20:15:46] *Skizzerz 	is too lazy xD
[20:17:08] 	It might be using that interalParse backdoor
[20:19:13] 	03aaron * r28395 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/patch-protected_titles.sql: Fix casing, so that prefixed is actually used.
[20:20:23] 	I've tried for an hour and can't find it - although I know I've seen it.  Does anyone know where the wikipedia network diagram and architecture information related to webserver clustering is?
[20:21:57] 	jdpond: not sure if there is anything absolutely up to date...
[20:22:18] 	however, always look for wikimedia, not wikipedia
[20:24:44] 	jdpond: this is the newest diagram i know of: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia-servers-2006-05-09.svg
[20:25:50] 	THATS IT!   Thanks Duesentrieb, now I need to find the article that referenced it.
[20:26:27] 	Got it.  I owe you beer.
[20:26:29] 	jdpond: the korea location is gone, afaik
[20:26:41] 	and the network has grown
[20:26:45] 	but the general setup is the same
[20:26:51] 	hm... beer...
[20:26:57] 	come to the ccc in berline :)
[20:27:04] 	*Berlin
[20:27:30] 	I have a problem I cannot solve (using version 1.11.0). The installation works fine, but I cannot enable cascading protection (the check box is grayed). I think that all permissions are set as prescribed.
[20:28:55] 	was looking for http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers.  I'm trying to get some "world class architects" to understand the difference between database replication a true message switched environment for a massive justice information indexing systems.   I needed to point them to how some real experts do it - not just a couple of PhD's who spent too much time wanking over assembly language code.
[20:29:42] 	Next time I'm in Europe I will look you up - used to live in Mannheim.  BTW, whatever happened to RobChurch?  I miss his acerbic wit.
[20:30:18] 	jdpond: He says he won't be contributing for a while on his blog.
[20:30:55] 	Did we hurt his feelings? Or did he just burn out?
[20:32:13] 	jdpond: no idea.. rob posted a qick not on his blog and went under.
[20:32:26] 	sounded a bit bitter. or just busy with other stuff? dunno.
[20:32:33] 	i dissapear from time to time myself
[20:32:57] 	I understand - do the same myself.  Should we send him chocolate?
[20:33:16] 	Snigel: you have $wgEnableCascadingProtection = true;?
[20:35:54] 	jdpond: for the gory internals, have a look here: https://wikitech.leuksman.com/view/Main_Page
[20:36:08] 	no pretty pictures though. and nit guaranteed to be accurate either. 
[20:36:09] 	Duesentrieb, yes, I have.
[20:36:14] 	but much better than anythign you'll find on meta
[20:36:27] 	Snigel: then i have no clue, sorry. never messed with it.
[20:36:40] 	unless - well, did you make adjustments at the *end* of your LocalSettings?
[20:36:49] 	doing it at the top is a common mistake.
[20:37:02] 	Duesentrieb, is there another way of blocking writing access for visitors? I'm running a wiki I only want to be editable by people I authorise.
[20:37:18] 	Duesentrieb, yes, I added the line at the bottom.
[20:37:23] 	that has nothing to do with cascading
[20:37:24] 	!access
[20:37:24] 	For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see .
[20:38:13] 	Duesentrieb, sorry about that then. It was a friend of mine who told me that was the way to do it. I'll have a look on those sites, thanks.
[20:45:07] 	if I have a Title object with namespace == NS_SPECIAL, how do I check to see if that's a valid SpecialPage?
[20:45:37] 	thanks in advance for any help
[20:48:09] 	jimbojw: maybe SpecialPage::resolveAliasWithSubpage() ?
[20:48:25] 	thanks Nikerabbit 
[20:48:40] 	oh, there is even SpecialPage::exists()
[20:49:41] 	03huji * r28396 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesFa.php): Adding missing translations for Fa + rebuildLanguage for both.
[20:59:33] *Raymond_ 	kicks wikibugs
[21:05:16] 	is there a command to delete all information in database that aren't necessary? history, delete pages... because my db is growing up very fastly
[21:06:08] 	yes, you can wipe the history of all the pages... it's one of the maintenance scripts IIRC (or if not, it's an extension)
[21:06:22] 	hey, can I remove recentchanges rows arbitrarily?
[21:06:32] 	Remove in what sense?
[21:06:33] 	I mean like... there aren't any dependencies, right?
[21:06:43] 	remove like DELETE FROM
[21:06:52] 	CheckUser? Diffs? Patrolling? Idk...
[21:07:00] 	you're just guessing
[21:07:03] 	;-)
[21:07:04] 	exactly
[21:07:07] 	I'd expect most of those are based on revs, not rc
[21:07:22] 	Do a grep for recentchanges in includes\ and extensions\ ;)
[21:07:33] 	that won't be helpful at all!
[21:07:42] 	Patrolling requires an rcid... but that's only from the recentchanges part itself... I don't think rcid is in the patrol log
[21:07:47] 	i'll just do it and let you know
[21:08:17] 	"do it and see what breaks" - a great method to finding dependancies ;)
[21:08:22] 	agreed
[21:08:34] 	... should pry do it on a dev wiki, huh?
[21:08:46] 	no, en.wikipedia is fine xD
[21:09:01] 	(yeah, a dev wiki would probably be safest)
[21:13:31] 	mysql> DELETE FROM recentchanges WHERE rc_id=125;
[21:13:31] 	Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)
[21:13:33] 	muahaha
[21:13:46] 	now to see what's broke...
[21:15:08] 	hmmm...  seems safe... enough
[21:15:52] 	You should at least have kept the contents :P
[21:15:59] 	bah!
[21:16:54] 	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Mediawiki-database-schema.png
[21:17:56] 	according to that, RC has FKs that reference three tables: user_id, some refs in text, and page - nothing appears to reference recentchanges
[21:19:15] 	Makes sense, rc is more like a cache to prevent looking up latest revs in the huge, giant, monster tables
[21:20:12] 	agreed
[21:20:13] 	I'm havign problems with the SpamRegex extension
[21:20:33] 	the staff group is showing up, but Special:SpamRegex doesn't exist
[21:21:55] 	A shame that image doesn't state which version it's for
[21:25:29] 	hey ive got a problem i have added the extension SelectCategory.php now i get some errors when i load my mediawik
[21:25:34] 	Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in your INI file in /mnt/web5/20/83/51663183/htdocs/wiki/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategoryFunctions.php on line 21
[21:25:47] 	and Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /mnt/web5/20/83/51663183/htdocs/wiki/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategoryFunctions.php:21) in /mnt/web5/20/83/51663183/htdocs/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[21:26:01] 	bango: try putting it in a pastebin next time ;)
[21:27:50] 	oh sorry here are the warnings http://de.pastebin.ca/812549
[21:28:23] 	hmh? is that some new warning in new php?
[21:29:02] 	yes after ive added this exetension these four warings came
[21:29:45] 	the page is loading but after it had load this warings stnad above
[21:30:29] 	which version of php?
[21:31:23] 	think 5.0
[21:31:43] 	*sigh*
[21:31:52] 	ok, I can't protect non-pages
[21:32:04] 	eh?
[21:32:06] 	if i delete the exentsion the page works again
[21:32:06] 	but the "Unlock move permissions" still shows, but not the select for that
[21:33:56] 	mhm
[21:36:25] 	anyone has an answer
[21:37:23] 	hi can anyone tell me if it is possible to write syntax that means that you can insert some bullet points in between two numbered points?
[21:37:43] 	CharlieN: yes, hold on a bit
[21:38:00] 	without the numbered points numbering being broken...
[21:38:22] 	is it also possible to modify mediawiki to make it render ## as a. or i. 
[21:38:25] 	instead of 1.
[21:38:33] 	if you do # you get a 1. 2. 3.
[21:38:41] 	CharlieN: http://rafb.net/p/UvucIU54.html
[21:38:42] 	if you do ## you get 1.2.3. as well
[21:39:01] 	yes, you need to use the HTML elements to change the numbered list style
[21:39:20] 	it would be more ideal to have a different numbering pattern for ## and ### (like M$ Word would do!)
[21:39:24] 	thanks Skizzerz
[21:39:37] 	CharlieN: as I said, you need the HTML elements for that functionality
[21:40:23] 	ok
[21:41:10] 	mhmn
[21:43:24] 	sorry is HTML elements an extension or a way to modify the rendering? could you give me a url to a suitable guide? thanks in advance
[21:44:10] 	
  1. first list item
  2. second list item
 (you don't need the  if you start each item on a separate line)
[21:44:58] 	thanks
[21:47:00] 	ok I tried that, wihtout any extension or anything, but it still gets rendered as
[21:47:01] 	1.
[21:47:05] 	         1.
[21:47:07] 	2.
[21:47:11] 	           1.
[21:47:13] 	etc.
[21:47:15] 	:-s
[21:47:38] *Skizzerz 	isn't sure if you can mix the HTML with the wiki markup for numbers
[21:49:00] 	O_O
[21:51:25] 	Welcome
[21:51:28] 	:)
[21:51:46] 	anybody here need some support for starting up with some extension
[21:51:56] 	generally question i have
[21:52:25] 	huh? are you trying to ask for help with extensions or see if anyone needs help with extensions?
[21:52:41] 	no asking for my own
[21:52:45] 	ok
[21:53:12] 	!extensions | Froster
[21:53:12] 	Froster: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See  for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See  for an overview of known extensions.
[21:53:17] 	i seems that mediaiki 1.9.3 won't run added function with SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec
[21:53:21] 	i know
[21:53:25] 	read about
[21:53:28] 	ok, just making sure ;)
[21:53:29] 	downloaded some
[21:53:51] 	no one i downloaded and added with the "hooks" SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec
[21:53:52] 	works
[21:54:15] 	Skizzers think I have it sorted now, see 1/3 of the way down... http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/lists.html
[21:54:19] 	thanks
[21:54:21] 	ok
[21:54:30] 	but files will be loaded if i insert some lines with text the will show me errors
[21:54:55] 	have i to enable something to make the wiki able to work with user added functions ?
[21:55:06] 	Froster: you need to get into more detail than that if you want help...
[21:55:21] 	ok
[21:55:25] 	mom
[21:56:20] 	added this : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryBreadcrumb
[21:56:30] 	to my new installed wiki
[21:56:39] 	but it does nothing
[21:56:54] 	seems like
[21:57:03] 	     // kill the ugly category box below the page 
[21:57:03] 	    $p->set( 'catlinks', ''); 
[21:57:03] 	     
[21:57:03] 	     // set tree on top of text and register into $tpl 
[21:57:03] 	     $combine=$tree[1].$wgOut->mBodytext;
[21:57:04] 	     $p->setRef( 'bodyContent', $combine );
[21:57:08] 	won't work
[21:57:21] 	did you require_once it in your localsettings.php?
[21:57:26] 	yes
[21:58:07] <_Steve_>	how the heck do you view the source of a page that's protected?
[21:58:10] 	are you require_once-ing to the correct location of the file?
[21:58:25] 	_Steve_: click on the view source tab
[21:58:30] <_Steve_>	there isn't one
[21:58:33] 	?
[21:58:36] 	link?
[21:58:42] <_Steve_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Geographylogo.png
[21:59:13] 	that page doesn't exist, it's an image from commons
[21:59:23] <_Steve_>	what do you mean it doesn't exist?
[21:59:29] 	it's not a local image
[21:59:42] 	here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Geographylogo.png
[21:59:42] 	@Skizzerz: yea cause if i enter silly text in the php errors will appear
[21:59:48] <_Steve_>	ah, thanks
[22:00:35] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in C:\Program Files\xampp\htdocs\wiki\mediawiki-1.9.3\extensions\CategoryBreadCrumbs.php on line 37
[22:00:43] 	it's a test on my local comp
[22:00:47] 	but on our server was same
[22:00:56] 	that means you're missing a ; somewhere usually
[22:01:16] 	yea i added "dojljld" for testing if file is really included
[22:01:17] 	:)
[22:01:30] 	...
[22:01:39] 	generally you try to insert real code to see if it works
[22:01:47] 	its easyst effective way :D
[22:01:52] 	-y +i
[22:02:22] 	like add in "$wgOut->addWikiText("Hello, World");" somewhere in the function
[22:02:27] 	if i insert code lite ->set('divid','somehting');...
[22:02:29] 	mom
[22:02:58] 	it should then display "Hello, World" somewhere on the page
[22:03:00] 	oha ok
[22:03:10] 	no it won't
[22:03:13] 	nohting appears
[22:03:15] 	03huji * r28397 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: A more logical tabindex for the fields
[22:03:42] 	then something is wrong and I have no idea what
[22:05:03] <_Steve_>	ok, here's something
[22:05:05] <_Steve_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:PD-icon.svg
[22:05:09] <_Steve_>	vs
[22:05:10] <_Steve_>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:PD-icon.svg
[22:05:20] <_Steve_>	notice the svn on commons has the checkboard background...
[22:05:20] 	yes, same scenario
[22:05:24] 	oh
[22:05:29] 	that's because of site CSS
[22:05:31] 	:(
[22:05:34] <_Steve_>	please wait for me to ask before answering. :)
[22:05:36] <_Steve_>	oh?
[22:05:52] <_Steve_>	see, i had some image a while back i was uploading that had a transparant background and i couldn't get the checkerboard
[22:05:53] 	http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css <- should be in there somewhere
[22:06:03] <_Steve_>	interesting
[22:06:34] <_Steve_>	so just copy that file?
[22:06:46] 	no, just this: #file img, .gallerybox .thumb img
[22:06:46] 	{ background: url("http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Checker-16x16.png") repeat; }
[22:06:47] 	Have i something to enable ? to use extensions or selfmade code?
[22:06:55] <_Steve_>	cool, thanks
[22:07:18] 	03siebrand * r28398 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (16 files): 
[22:07:18] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:07:18] 	* an, ast, be, crh-latn, frp, gl, ja, li, loz, nl, no, qu, ro, sdc, stq
[22:07:46] <_Steve_>	svg isn't in the default file types? lame.
[22:08:15] 	svg isn't supported by default in mediawiki installs
[22:08:40] <_Steve_>	no offense, but for something called "mediawiki" it sure is bad at multimedia. :)
[22:09:18] 	_Steve_: if you want better functionality in that regard, your best bet is to add it in yourself ;)
[22:09:25] <_Steve_>	*nod*
[22:09:55] 	is it possible to delete all pages? I made a new wiki, but imported the wrong pages. Can I clear the wiki ? perhaps in the database?
[22:10:51] 	of course
[22:11:04] 	the real question is what kind of access you have and how to do it
[22:11:07] 	03aaron * r28399 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/ProtectionForm.php skins/common/protect.js): More title protection clean up. JS errors were being thrown calling the non-existent cascade checkbox. Also the chain box was showing for non-existent titles even though 'create' was the only available protection type.
[22:11:57] 	AaronSchulz: I have file access (ftp) to the apache/php server, database access (phpmyadmin) to the mysql database.
[22:12:21] 	it may be easier to drop the DB (*if* that is all that is on it) and re-install
[22:12:56] <_Steve_>	so, i tried adding that css
[22:12:59] <_Steve_>	but it's already there
[22:13:14] 	ok... then refresh your cache...
[22:13:23] <_Steve_>	ah, had to upload the image
[22:13:25] <_Steve_>	yay images
[22:14:54] <_Steve_>	thanks folks
[22:15:06] 	03aaron * r28400 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/rebuildall.php: There is a pass three now (may be a four in the future)...don't really like this duplication here
[22:16:15] 	jelle: if you want to be fancier, you can truncate the page, revision, and text tables, then run maintanence/rebuildall.php
[22:16:53] 	ok, that sounds good.
[22:17:22] <_Steve_>	odd, pngs look fine
[22:17:35] <_Steve_>	but the svn displays in my wiki larger than on commons and without the checker background
[22:17:39] <_Steve_>	probably another css thing?
[22:19:08] <_Steve_>	heh, and Tools.svg looks completely different in my wiki than it does on commons
[22:21:36] 	one more question. I set up a second wiki on the webserver, in a different directory with a different db-prefix. After installation, the index.php gives me a blank page. Does that sound familiar? can't I run a second wiki in a different directory?
[22:23:00] 	hi guys
[22:23:14] 	i have some problema with mediawiki
[22:23:22] 	!ask | OsLutadores 
[22:23:22] 	OsLutadores : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[22:24:03] 	hi. I'm coding an extension which looks up geocoordinates by name of page (ie.city), i want to pass them to googlemaps extension. How couild i do that?
[22:24:15] 	jelle: set error_reporting( E_ALL );
[22:24:40] 	i have already installed it in my server and it works goodly. But i'm trying to install in another subdomain and i got succes in install but a blank page when i access it
[22:24:44] 	oh, and btw, you may want to truncate the logging table if you want, not a big deal though
[22:24:53] 	flo: no idea. but there's a google maps layer with coordinates from wikipedia
[22:25:01] <_Steve_>	gah, these transparancy issues are crazy
[22:25:10] 	rebuildall.php will deal with recent changes and internal links 
[22:26:19] 	Duesentrieb: not sure if i understand. 
[22:26:23] 	flo: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~dschwen/wikiminiatlas/
[22:26:35] 	click the blue globe on that page (or in any wikipedia article)
[22:26:45] 	jelle: to be clearer, I meant to add that to locatsettings.php
[22:26:58] 	the white screen may indicate an error
[22:27:13] 	I'll try that, thanks.
[22:27:52] 	ah great, that was new for me, and i checked almost all that GIS stuff
[22:28:08] 	that's the other way round  what i need.
[22:28:09] 	!debug | jelle
[22:28:09] 	jelle: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see .
[22:28:21] 	great. thanks
[22:29:43] 	jelle: there's yet anotehr integration: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.382472222222,30.828333333333&spn=0.01,0.01&t=k&q=http://tools.wikimedia.de/~para/GeoCommons/GeoCommons-simple.kml
[22:30:11] 	err, sorry, that was for flo
[22:30:16] <_Steve_>	so i've got 3 transparancy problems still
[22:30:41] 	i've fot a white page, and i have alreay put the errors_reporting
[22:30:42] 	flo: linked from http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Reservoir-in-Taurus-Mountains.jpg (the googlemaps link - the globe is different, but cool also).
[22:30:49] 	but i don't get anything
[22:31:02] 	OsLutadores: then look into apache's error log.
[22:31:15] 	the error may be happening before php hever gets to execute your settings
[22:31:15] 	how can i do it ?
[22:31:28] 	i don't know, depends on your environment
[22:31:37] 	error-log ?
[22:31:41] 	yes
[22:31:43] 	probably
[22:31:50] 	1[ok02,00tano12,00uc1,00]01: let me see
[22:31:53] 	ops
[22:31:56] 	let me see..
[22:34:03] 	thanks Duesentrieb , AaronSchulz , it was a directory permission problem.
[22:34:25] <_Steve_>	when i look at Template:PD in MediaWiki, i don't see a white square background on the svn, but in my wiki, i do (i just imported the page...)
[22:34:43] 	svn or svg?
[22:34:48] <_Steve_>	svg sorry
[22:34:58] 	_Steve_: what svg renderer do you use?
[22:35:06] <_Steve_>	?
[22:35:12] 	!
[22:35:21] 	!svg
[22:35:21] 	For more information regarding SVGs in MediaWiki, see .
[22:35:28] 	use rsvg
[22:35:35] 	the default is imagemagick, which sucks for svg
[22:35:41] <_Steve_>	ok
[22:36:04] <_Steve_>	i thought it was just passing the svg to the browser
[22:36:11] <_Steve_>	is it rendering it as a png then showing it?
[22:36:14] 	$wgSkinExtensionFunctions = array("Test"); 
[22:36:15] 	 
[22:36:15] 	function Test() { 
[22:36:15] 	        global $wgOut,$wgArticle,$wgMessageCache; 
[22:36:15] 	        
[22:36:15] 	        $wgOut->addWikiText("Hello, World");
[22:36:19] 	        
[22:36:21] 	        return true;
[22:36:23] 	        }
[22:36:39] 	_Steve_: yes, it renders to PNG
[22:36:59] 	at this point, SVG support isn't quite widespread enough for client-side rendering.
[22:37:02] <_Steve_>	ok, that'd explain the problems i'm having
[22:37:16] 	it's when imagemagick renders it that the background becomes non-transparent
[22:37:22] 	it's not the fault of the uploaded file.
[22:38:23] <_Steve_>	so once i install rsvg, how do i make it regen images? (i assume there's caching)
[22:38:36] 	03siebrand * r28401 10/trunk/extensions/ (49 files in 47 dirs): 
[22:38:36] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[22:38:36] 	* Fixes and additions to 47 extensions for ar, bg, cs, el, fr, gl, ja, la, loz, no, stq
[22:39:17] 	Hi, can somebody tell me how I can give admin privileges to a user account? I've overtaken a wiki, the old admins are gone so I'm abit lost without an admin account :-|
[22:39:23] <_Steve_>	ok, i can't even find how to tell it i have rsvg...
[22:40:03] <_Steve_>	maybe it'll find it...
[22:40:19] 	!access | q_no
[22:40:19] 	q_no: For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see .
[22:40:52] <_Steve_>	Duesentrieb: any hints?
[22:41:23] <_Steve_>	looks like i need to set $wgSVGConverter
[22:42:24] <_Steve_>	but still need to clear the cache somehow
[22:42:51] 	Skizzerz, thanks for pointing me to (r)tfm ;) but either I'm blind or the wiki doesn't provide the info I need :-| 
[22:43:07] 	_Steve_: I suppose you could manually delete the thumb directories, but there may be some reason why you shouldn't do that.
[22:43:40] 	that's not QUITE rtfm, but if you AREN'T a sysop, you need to use an sql query to make yourself one, or reset the password of an existing admin
[22:44:15] <_Steve_>	WikiGarrett: maybe just delete all the svgs from the cache and not the other images...
[22:44:21] 	or set $wgGroupPermissions['user']['userrights'] = true; for a short amount of time and use Special:Userrights, but that's not recommended if you get a lot of traffic
[22:44:35] 	thumbs are in a separate directory ( /images/thumb/ by default)
[22:44:55] 	in theory, deleting everything within /thumb/ should make the server render those images upon request
[22:45:01] 	WikiGarrett: what's wrong with "try it and see what breaks"?
[22:45:05] 	XD
[22:45:06] <_Steve_>	and yet....
[22:45:07] 	Skizzerz, I'm hosting the wiki and looked into the DB, but I haven't found the link between users and groups
[22:45:15] <_Steve_>	now i just get missing images....
[22:45:25] 	q_no: do the grouppermissions thing then
[22:45:38] 	set that to true in your LocalSettings.php (at the end)
[22:45:48] 	_Steve_: try hard refreshing an image (right click and view the image alone, then hit Ctrl+F5)
[22:46:01] <_Steve_>	404
[22:46:05] 	then go to Special:Userrights and make yourself Sysop and Bureaucrat, then remove the line from LocalSettings.php
[22:46:07] 	<_<
[22:46:11] 	Skizzerz, thanks. I'll block public access and give it a try :)
[22:46:31] 	:)
[22:47:06] <_Steve_>	yeah, no luck
[22:47:29] <_Steve_>	well, there's only 3, i guess i could delete and reupload....
[22:49:09] 	Duesentrieb: also a great version, the image localisation. thx for the link. 
[22:49:50] 	thank the guys who wrote that :)
[22:49:51] 	i wonder how to install the wikipedia-world / miniatlas thing
[22:50:04] 	not sure if it's easily portable
[22:50:10] 	ask them...
[22:50:16] 	Howdy Wiki Fans
[22:50:25] 	alright
[22:50:28] 	Pretty easy question I think...
[22:51:37] 	ask
[22:51:39] 	How do I force the entire wiki to one skin? Currently I setup $wgDefaultSkin and when I'm anonymous I get the skin, but as soon as I login it switches back to mono book. when I change my preference to my custom skin it never changes.
[22:51:54] 	did you clear your cache?
[22:51:59] 	I've even gone as far as removing MonoBook.php and soft linking it to my css
[22:52:02] 	of course
[22:52:06] <_Steve_>	ah ha
[22:52:06] <_Steve_>	wgThumbnailEpoch
[22:52:31] 	Skizzerz: yes I cleared my cache
[22:52:53] *Klemo 	= not a noob
[22:54:32] 	then I don't know...
[22:54:43] 	when you change your preferences, you should see the other skin
[22:54:47] 	especially if it works for anons.
[22:54:58] 	try creating a fresh account and see what happens
[22:55:08] <_Steve_>	ok, i changed wgSVGMaxSize, to 600, but it stretches the images....
[22:55:09] 	k
[22:55:12] 	Wikia had this problem with their custom skin...
[22:56:00] 	but if I removed MonoBook.php and monobook/ and soft linked them to my custom skin, where is it picking up the default MonoBook css from?
[22:56:19] 	is there another copy hiding somewhere? 
[22:56:19] <_Steve_>	how do i change the size of images on the image pages?
[22:56:31] 	/skins/monobook/main.css ?
[22:56:45] 	or w/e it's called...
[22:57:23] 	cool... fresh accounts pickup the default value and show the skin
[22:57:24] <_Steve_>	i get this: Image:Wikimedia-logo.svg
[22:57:35] 	_Steve_: they are displayed at their original size unless they are larger than the size specified in your Preferences, then it shrinks it to that size
[22:57:37] <_Steve_>	when the image is really 600 (since i set the wgSVGMaxSize to 600...
[22:57:41] 	but my current users are stuck with monobook?
[22:57:52] 	no, changing the skin should simply work
[22:57:57] 	hrm... I know... its database time... weeeeee
[22:57:58] <_Steve_>	Skizzerz: not exactly what i'm seeing
[22:58:18] 	oh, you were talking about SVGs, not normal images...
[22:58:20] 	I did select the the custom skin in my OLD users preferences, it just never displays
[22:58:23] 	always monobook
[22:58:45] 	that must be a caching issue. or failure to save the settings or something
[22:58:45] 	in that case, I have no idea ;)
[22:59:06] <_Steve_>	ok....
[22:59:33] <_Steve_>	anyone else?
[23:00:39] 	_Steve_: don't set wgSVGMaxSize  
[23:00:44] 	leave the default.
[23:00:51] <_Steve_>	but i don't want them that large...
[23:00:53] 	ohhh... I seee
[23:00:54] 	at least, leave it bigger than the default render size for image pages
[23:01:09] 	_Steve_: you don't want them that large *where*?
[23:01:11] <_Steve_>	Duesentrieb: which is which variable?
[23:01:19] 	under my old account in the databse skin=wisedocs.... on my new account skin=WISEdocs
[23:01:24] 	_Steve_: huh? variable for what?
[23:01:31] <_Steve_>	the default render size for image pages
[23:01:33] 	so the names in the custom skin are labeled wrong?
[23:01:34] 	_Steve_: generally, you specify the size you whant when you use an image.
[23:01:46] 	_Steve_: the default render size is a per user option.
[23:01:54] 	_Steve_: it's taken from $wgImageLimits
[23:02:03] 	the actual setting is an index in that arry.
[23:02:15] 	so, if you reduce them all by half, it should work.
[23:02:26] 	but i see no point in doing it. it's just a preference
[23:02:32] 	Hey... just a side question not very important... what does wg stand for in $wgVarieables?
[23:02:38] 	Skizzerz, I got it! :) Thanks again
[23:02:45] 	Klemo: "wiki global"
[23:02:50] 	ah cool
[23:02:51] 	just a convention
[23:02:51] 	q_no: np :)
[23:03:03] <_Steve_>	if i tell you i have a reason, will that assuage your fears?
[23:03:04] 	ah, that was bugging me too xD
[23:03:09] 	yeah I asumed wiki... was not sure what the g was for.... now I know...
[23:03:37] <_Steve_>	anyway, there's an array there... which of those is the default?
[23:04:05] 	Duesentrieb: In the database OLD user has skin=wisedocs and the new user has skin=WISEdocs
[23:04:06] 	_Steve_: all of them
[23:04:14] <_Steve_>	no
[23:04:24] <_Steve_>	clearly it has to use one
[23:04:34] 	so selecting my custom skin from the preference pane saves the wrong info?
[23:04:40] 	_Steve_: look on your preference page. you will see two dropdown lists with images sized: one for the image pages, one for thumbnails. the dropdown choices are populated from the two arrays.
[23:04:47] 	$wgImageLimits and wgThumbLimits.
[23:04:48] <_Steve_>	you assume too much
[23:04:59] <_Steve_>	i want to know what it will do when browsing as a not logged in user
[23:05:17] 	it will do whatever the defaults are.
[23:05:23] <_Steve_>	which is what i'm asking!
[23:05:39] 	unless you have edited your own preferences you should see exactly what an anon user would see
[23:05:40] 	_Steve_: did you red the comment just above the definition of that array in DefaultSettigns.php?
[23:05:48] 	please do. it tells you how it works.
[23:06:29] 	there's another level of indirection, that's the secret. the user setting is an index in the array that holds the actual size to use.
[23:06:34] 	yup thats it... if I select my custom skin (new user) and click save, it bounces back to mono book...
[23:06:45] <_Steve_>	i read it
[23:06:48] <_Steve_>	let me be more specific
[23:06:51] <_Steve_>	where is $wgDefaultUserOptions['imagesize'] set?
[23:06:54] 	now in the database its skin=wisedocs and not WISEdocs
[23:07:01] 	Klemo: then be sure to use consistent capitalization when using your skin name
[23:07:07] <_Steve_>	oh, wait, i see it
[23:07:24] 	yeah someone else wrote the skin... I would have just edited the CSS in mono book...
[23:07:36] 	sigh.. I'll go through his skin and make it all sane... thanks guys
[23:07:50] 	Klemo: editing monobook is not a smart move - you'll use your changes when you upgrade.
[23:09:29] 	lol
[23:09:33] 	unless I dont upgrade... wink
[23:09:37] 	6.10 forever!
[23:10:01] 	dont' ask...
[23:10:07] 	thats how we roll around here...
[23:10:12] 	lemme guess, you have php4 ;)
[23:10:15] 	behind and outdated...
[23:10:19] 	yuppers
[23:10:25] 	and mysql is behind too
[23:10:36] 	but its not just my webserver...
[23:15:59] 	crappers
[23:16:10] <_Steve_>	ok, everthing looks great now, thanks for the help folks
[23:16:13] 	np
[23:16:30] 	if I go through and make everything in skins files WISEdocs it still saves the preferene as wisedocs...
[23:16:52] 	so I went through and made it all lowercase wisedocs and now nothing is right... anonymous is monobook...
[23:16:57] 	what am I missing?
[23:17:32] 	al I should have to update (skin wise) is skins/MyNewSkin.php  and the name of the file and dir
[23:18:55] 	!skin | Klemo
[23:18:55] 	Klemo: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: 
[23:19:08] 	bottom link ;)
[23:19:23] 	yeah I read through the manuals... which is why I ended up here...
[23:19:36] 	>_>
[23:19:49] 	:)
[23:20:37] 	for what ever reason when I change my skin to say "Chick" in preferences it works. and when I change it to my custom skin it saves the the variable wrong in the database...
[23:22:13] 	whats funny is... if I change FooBar in the initialization section to any consitant format such as "wisedocs" it doesnt work at all
[23:22:39] 	when I name it consitantly WISEdocs it only works for aonoymous...
[23:23:08] 	setting the preference to my custom skin on the wiki per user saves skin=wisedocs always.
[23:23:42] 	is the .deps.php a required file?
[23:23:59] 	I'm not using php5... heh...
[23:28:24] 	well farts...
[23:28:43] 	I guess I go through the database and update each skin= to WISEdocs
[23:29:00] 	good think there are only a handful of users
[23:29:17] 	every new user should be ok
[23:29:31] 	and I'll use the skipskin deal and skip all of them so they cant change it... :)
[23:33:54] 	is there a mediawiki perspective on preferences in cookies?
[23:36:02] *Klemo 	shakes fist at mediawiki
[23:36:13] 	user options is a huge list of options
[23:36:15] 	lol
[23:36:32] 	I don't have the fancy userOptions.php because I'm behind...
[23:36:34] 	:(
[23:36:41] 	lol I guess I write my own.... :)
[23:38:08] 	Klemo: before you atrt hacking around the databse... log into the fresh account, change the skin to something else, then change back to your skin.
[23:38:21] 	if that doesn't work, messing with the database is pointless. it will just break again.
[23:40:07] 	that doesnt work.
[23:40:31] 	thats how I figured out it saves it to skin=wisedocs and not skin=WISEdocs when its newly created
[23:41:04] 	its not gonna break again
[23:41:07] 	what's the reason that non logged in users don't get preferences?
[23:41:10] 	I have faith
[23:41:18] 	hm?
[23:41:31] 	it's gonna break whenever someone changes his skin, and wants to change it back
[23:41:44] 	so... find out *why* you have the wrong capitalization there.
[23:41:56] 	iirc, internal skin names are required to be all lower-case
[23:42:06] 	so, if you use lower case consistently everywhere, it should work
[23:42:19] 	no I used wgSkipSkin and put all the skin names there... so they can't change it at all
[23:42:24] 	hippietrail: hm? where would you store preferences if there's no user account?
[23:42:34] 	Duesentrieb: cookies
[23:42:46] 	Duesentrieb: I just went through all that
[23:43:26] 	hippietrail: would be a bit painful to send all this with every request i guess... no idea
[23:43:49] 	the skin name is in 4 places. the .php file the directory name and in the .php there are 3 or 4 lines. I've consitantly changed them to all uppercase and all lower case. It only works for anonymous when they are uppercase
[23:44:13] 	Duesentrieb: on en.wiktionary we have added our own extra prefs using javascript and css. i want to move the stable ones to a mediawiki extension. but others want to keep it all in javascript because they like the cookie prefs
[23:44:25] 	changing them to all lowercase makes it not work at all
[23:45:01] 	so now I'm back to just update the database values for a few users, disable the ability to change the skin by the users (wgSkipSkin) and be done.
[23:49:21] 	sorry if I sound harsh/rash but the user this if for is really starting to T me off... All of the other wikis running here all use the default monobook (except the systems group uses a modified monobook) but these guys just have to have their own...
[23:49:38] 	all in the name of science I guess...