[00:00:23] how can I edit the logo on the top right so that it links some place else [00:00:27] top left sorry [00:03:22] BlaenkDenum: it will always link to the wikis main page (which you can change). [00:03:31] you'd have to hack the skin to change that [00:03:36] Duesentrieb: oh okay, where? [00:03:45] I'll see [00:04:01] edit MediaWiki:mainpage to change the main page [00:04:14] no I want to keep the main page, I want to change the link [00:04:18] (also inföuences where you get redirected when going to the wiki, etc) [00:04:19] so that it links to the main site [00:04:34] if you want to only change the link, you'll need to hack the skin [00:04:42] yeah I'm looking at the skin right now [00:04:56] in monobook.php, find data['nav_urls']['mainpage']['href'])?> [00:05:02] replace it. [00:05:21] thanks I appreciate it [00:05:25] or, more nicely, write a hook that changes the nav url [00:05:41] where can I find information on hooks? [00:05:48] !hooks [00:05:48] Hooks allow you to run functions at various points in the main MediaWiki code. For more information about using hooks in MediaWiki, see . [00:05:55] thanks [00:06:05] the skin code sucks though [00:06:39] sorry? [00:06:45] it's not readily extensible. this one could be done using a SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec hook i guess. [00:06:48] but it ain't pretty [00:07:03] yeah I'll just use this simple hack then, thanks for the help [00:07:10] have fun [00:07:19] oh, right: make a diff and keep it as a patch [00:07:24] to apply after your next upgradce [00:08:00] sure will, thanks I appreciate it [00:08:10] sorry although I know what a diff is, how would you suggest I do it, what parameters [00:08:40] I'll look it up [00:09:24] diff -u oldfile newfile > patchfiel [00:09:33] haha okay thanks I appreciate it [00:10:18] you know what I couldve just added links in the navigation menu [00:12:07] Duesentrieb: how would I make external links though, something|http://blah.com ? [00:12:49] yeah, don't know how I'd edit that, nevermind [00:13:46] I see there are something-url lines but how do I create them [00:14:47] anyone? [00:17:51] I got it [00:37:24] can I change the logical anchor name of a section to ease linking/reference? [01:00:41] hello, can i ask a question about mediawiki 1.6.10 [01:00:51] !ask | snott [01:00:51] snott : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [01:02:25] great. I have a site that nobody was watching running 1.2 - it has about 20 pages of good stuff that i want to keep. unfortunately it has been overrun by spammers in the last 2 years and there are hundreds of thousands of spam pages (db ~ 500MB). i've tried writing some SQL to nuke the bad stuff but its hard... are there anre any tools or scripts out there? [01:02:48] i've upgraded to 1.6 but dont have access to php5 [01:03:01] there's a nuke extension [01:03:17] yes, but it only works by username and there are tens of thousands [01:03:24] But that extension is only really helpful when you have a few users with many pages. [01:03:57] basically i want to nuke all revisions after a date in 2005 [01:04:08] and revert pages back to those versions [01:05:27] what would be a good first step actually, would be to delete all pages with 1 revision (new) after a certain date [01:05:59] that would eliminate the vast majority [01:06:28] snott: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NukeDPL [01:06:31] do you have direct DB access? [01:06:43] slavie: thatdoesn't work on 1.6 [01:06:47] Upgrade. ;) [01:06:48] yes MZ [01:06:55] he can't because of PHP [01:06:58] as i mentioned, i cant because all higher versions require php5 [01:07:07] >_> [01:07:22] You could do it from the database easily enough, but then you run into referential integrity problems. [01:07:25] hmmm perhps i could select on page.page_is_new and page_touched [01:07:34] there's probably a way to do it directly in the DB, which would avoid a lot more DB clutter with all the deletion records [01:07:44] (ie, you have orphaned log entries, edit histories, et cetera.) [01:08:10] yes, i'm doing this in SQL i just want to know if there is any sql around i can modify [01:08:58] the DB tables are highly linked; removing things directly almost always causes issues [01:09:04] if page.page_is_new = 1 does that mean the only other thing to clean up is the text.old_id row? [01:09:38] there's a maintenance script that you can run ... deleteBatch.php [01:10:11] hmmm not in 1.6 i'll check it out in svn [01:10:52] with that and the user table, you could probably set up something automatic that went through and ran a large number of PHP commands [01:11:09] or you could export all the good data, clear the DB, and re-import [01:13:16] chuck: you around? [01:14:29] that might be a better plan, how do you export pages? [01:14:43] Special:Export [01:14:44] !export [01:14:44] To export pages from a wiki, navigate to Special:Export on the wiki, type in the names of the pages to export, and hit "export". See for an example of this form. See also: !import [01:15:04] *slavie checks if XML exporting existed in 1.6 [01:15:19] Special:Export seems to exist thanks [01:15:55] snott: You can export and re-import all the pages simultaneously by giving yourself the 'import' right (which lets you export and import XML files). [01:16:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [01:27:00] what are scratch disks -_- [01:33:39] Landlord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_space [01:41:04] thanks, the export/import worked really well [01:41:25] yay [01:41:49] however images didn't seem to makeit. i preserved the image and imagelinks tables since they weren't spammed, and the files show up in Special:Imagelist but [[Image:xx]] doesn't show the image [01:42:37] does the link below the (absent) image go to the appropriate file? [01:43:19] no, the upload form... ie http://www.groupf.org/wiki/index.php?title=Car_Construction [01:43:46] is there a good tutorial on how to design the logical structure of a wiki nicely? [01:44:40] replikant: hmm... i don't think so; real-world examples are probably better than any tutorial though [01:44:53] I've found that any system with organic development and logical structure don't always mix.... [01:45:26] you need an enlightened dictator =] [01:45:48] MZMcBride: well its rather about how to deal with the task best. i heared of failed wikis because of mismanagement [01:46:06] did i need to export the image pages? [01:46:10] are you talking about administration or content management? [01:46:31] I'm talking about content management [01:46:42] snott: images are weird... all the data about them is the in the tables [01:46:53] MZMcBride content [01:47:06] though i'm sure there's a maintenance script to rebuild the data just using the files [01:47:08] how to organize content mostly... [01:47:46] yep RebuildImages.php [01:47:49] I'm glad I just have to make the bloody thing work... [01:48:08] replikant: it really depends how in-depth / intense you want to get [01:48:08] On the technical end of things... [01:48:25] there are categories and namespaces and all sorts of things in mediawiki for content management [01:49:42] snott: it's working now [01:49:58] although the client wants the site to have foo.com/Category/article.html printed. Currently goes foo.com/wiki/Category/Article [01:50:12] MZM: well i'm supervising filling the wiki for an online browswer game... a very small universe of technical terms, products,buildings etc... [01:50:39] replikant: Try looking at how other game wikis do it. :) [01:50:41] hmm, it seems doing any minor edit on the page linking to the image "fixes" the link [01:50:58] yeah, you can do a null edit or purge the page (&action=purge) [01:51:10] I wish there had been Wiki's around back when I was working with developing Promisance games... [01:51:14] slavie: do you have a good example? [01:51:21] hmm... probably best to look at other examples... wikia has plenty [01:51:57] replikant: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/ [01:52:14] That's a very large wiki, relatively speaking, so you can see how they've scaled up. [01:52:48] http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/ [01:53:03] that's the most intense wiki for games i've seen [01:53:37] tx im reading... i was wondering how to deal with redundant info and how to get ppl to respect the wiki/work for it/avoid abuse etc [01:54:39] policies and guidelines in the Project: namespace work best, i think [01:54:47] replikant: Usually, a good community is self-policing. :) [01:54:54] being clear about the scope and purpose of the wiki [01:55:03] You just need to attract some dedicated editors. [01:55:39] sweet, got it all sorted. 280MB of spam down to 12MB of content :) thanks for your help [01:55:44] AaronSchulz: you called. [01:56:44] mzm: i havent read much about namespaces.... can a buerocrat move all articles of a category to a namespace? [01:57:04] er.. through the wiki, not automatically [01:57:18] there's a maintenance script for namespaces though [01:57:24] so it has to be done by hand? [01:57:26] ah [02:00:15] whow those wikis are amazing [02:06:53] okay, that's wierd. [02:07:16] I installed TinyMCE and now the table on the front page...is well...no longer a table. But I didn't edit that page [02:07:34] http://www.ourpropertytaxes.com/wiki/ [02:44:40] If I have a string, how can I determine if an article of exists with Title = that string? [02:44:52] !parserfunctions | putlake [02:44:52] putlake : "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [02:45:19] thanks slavie. I'll check it out [02:45:37] Once you install it, you can use {{#ifexists:string|show text if true|show text if false}}. [02:45:48] bun DUHHH [02:45:55] it's actually ifexist [02:46:09] *slavie renames it. [02:50:20] slavie: Thanks. I assume ParserFunctions works with 1.9.3 [02:50:41] I think so, but the extension page should say so. [02:51:50] yes. found it.1.8 and up [02:51:52] All the ParserFunctions work under 1.8 and up, also in the localised forms. [03:33:53] per: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Tables&diff=153933&oldid=153932 [03:34:00] there is a typo in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [03:34:07] table.datatable th, td { [03:34:07] padding: 4px; [03:34:09] should be [03:34:13] table.datatable th, table.datatable td { [03:37:00] *TimLaqua kicks CIA-7 [03:37:00] ow [03:37:22] poor CIA-7 :( [03:37:32] him and CIA6 must be on strike. [03:38:00] no SVN updates? [03:38:03] nope [03:38:54] then update something ;) [03:38:59] I did [03:39:03] right before I kicked it. [03:39:06] ;-) [03:39:08] =/ [03:39:17] *Skizzerz kicks CIA-7 for not working [03:39:38] *TimLaqua shrugs [03:39:45] is there any reason Special:Makebot and Special:Makesysop couldn't be deprecated? [03:40:24] uh... well... once we deprecate 1.9 and 1.10, yes ;) [03:41:03] oh, sorry, i meant on WMF wikis; from a technical perspective, they could be removed with a could of modifications to CommonSettings.php, right? [03:41:15] s/could/couple [03:41:58] make a bug :) [03:46:45] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11645 [03:51:04] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAIRepository [03:51:12] very helpful, that page [03:58:41] Where is the user submitted content for MW stored? [03:59:25] in the database, in the page_revisions table, i think [04:00:24] the page table, more properly [04:00:29] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table [04:02:50] if i import "mw_page" into a new installation of mw will it import all the content? [04:04:19] is there an easy way to disable the "create account" option, or make a certain set of users able to create accounts? [04:04:55] !userrights [04:04:55] For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [04:18:34] Ian_O: you need page,revision,and text [04:18:52] those are three related tables with columns using foreign keys among each other [04:19:27] after importing the data from those, you'd have to run refreshLinks.php in /maintenance [04:25:49] CaneToad: how will you make new users? [04:30:22] AaronSchultz, basically I want the people who have accounts to be a closed group. The topic of the wiki is too contentious to just let every man and his dog have an account. Is it possible to make Special:Userlogin not provide a link to Special:Userlogin&type=signup ? [04:31:23] there's an extension to allow approval of users [04:31:33] ah ok [04:32:35] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount [04:33:17] thanks [04:37:24] it was fun writing :) [04:40:23] *Shinjiman_ kicks CIA-7 [04:40:24] ow [04:43:10] *AaronSchulz reads http://simcitysocieties.ea.com/about.php [04:43:13] sigh [04:43:25] I miss simcity [04:48:53] havent i seen screenies of sc5? [04:52:54] replikant: funny, the SCC screens look like the early SC3K screens (while it was still 3D) [04:53:38] i bought and played sc4 and it wasnt as great as sc2k [04:54:24] well, I played 2K the most of them all [04:54:51] 3K had really good graphics and still had the simcity feel [04:55:02] all that graphics is not worth anything if the gameplay is fowl [04:55:08] SC4 had better graphics, but it still wasn't 3D, and it felt odd [04:55:42] like it lost something [04:56:55] im my opinion the never rooted out the overwhelming potential of that game [04:56:56] replikant: the gameplay for the 4 wasn't bad [04:57:15] balance in 4 was odd [04:57:19] it just seemed like not much of an improvement [04:57:47] replikant: well, the power options were fucked up [04:59:28] development was just odd [05:00:45] how so? [05:01:06] i couldtn understand it [05:01:31] ;) [05:01:40] complexion was against the player [05:01:48] complexity [05:03:12] sc4 felt like playing on an excel spreadsheet [05:03:20] I played 1 - 3K, and watched the complexity creep, so maybe I just got used to it, but it didn't seem that bad [05:03:30] sc2000 felt like there is a stupid little city [05:04:09] it is very easy to make suboptimal wasteful traffic systems and service spacing, but it's not like it skrews you over [05:04:43] sc4 had all this wannabe multiplayer [05:04:47] what I was never able to do was avoid coal power plants [05:05:02] so you had cities all around to take your waste and provide power [05:05:16] they made everything else so expensive one plant made you broke in even a large city [05:05:38] (or a good group of windmills to power some chunk of city) [05:06:04] you could paint water onto hills to make artificial waterfalls, then put hydro on them [05:06:11] replikant: money is tighter in SC4, so I never bothered with deals much [05:06:12] hmm yea i used windmills a lot till i was rich enough to just buy power [05:06:32] and used coal power until i needed the sapace [05:06:39] TimStarling: yeah, in SC2 [05:06:40] I think it worked out cheaper than windmills, or about the same [05:07:01] and fusion power was retardedly good [05:07:04] mmm, couldn't remember if it was 2 or 3 [05:07:12] it's been a while [05:07:15] they killed hydro power after 2 [05:08:02] fusion became replaced with hydrogen power, and "microwave" died after 3k [05:08:29] i think there is a microwave in 4 but its very expensive [05:08:50] no, there is some hack to do that [05:09:06] and it is really cheap [05:09:10] whats the most advanced energt source called then? [05:09:16] hydrogen [05:09:34] it is less efficient that nuclear and windmills; totally unaffordable [05:09:44] only slightly worse than nuclear [05:09:47] is it? whatever it is its so much more expensive than coal:) [05:09:58] coal is DIRT cheap [05:10:27] i just dindt like the concept of 4 somehow... [05:10:37] but it was fun for a short while [05:10:43] TimStarling: SC4 was way less "green" optimistic than this new "Simcity Societies" game is [05:10:52] sc2k was fun for a long time... they do soemthing wrong [05:12:03] TimStarling: if only we could paint water in drought ridden areas of Africa [05:12:11] that would be nice :) [05:12:29] but up dams and power their laptop-per-child boxen [05:12:34] *put up [05:12:53] would it be nice? do you know that damp is the No1 greenhouse gas? (no kidding):) [05:13:04] you know, there's only one design for a fusion power plant which is known to be practical [05:13:11] generating far more energy than you put into it [05:13:14] JET or tokamak or else? [05:13:29] don't say "cold fusion"... ;) [05:13:30] that's fermi's hydrogen bomb design [05:13:52] just explode small H-bombs at regular intervals [05:14:29] he proposed using a huge underground cave, hollowed out with more H-bombs of course [05:14:44] "hollowed out with more H-bombs of course".... lol [05:14:57] then with water flowing in pipes around the outside to collect the heat [05:15:16] nice idea but you need conventional nuclear warheads to detonate the hydrogen [05:15:22] the whole thing becomes radioactive very quickly because of neutron bombardment [05:15:48] but there's no such thing as free energy, right? [05:16:00] sun? [05:16:04] free. [05:16:11] public domain:) [05:16:30] solar energy is not free [05:17:02] *AaronSchulz cranks out his perpetual motion device [05:17:05] all our energy is of solar descent.. exept nuclear [05:17:15] and geothermal [05:17:21] oil got its power from the sun [05:17:29] oil is not geothermal [05:17:52] ok geothermal is the third exeption [05:18:03] *AaronSchulz compress some materials into the ground [05:18:20] what about tidal energy? that comes from the moon [05:18:35] that'd be a 4th exception [05:18:48] 3rd [05:18:51] didn't some asian student make buoy power? [05:18:51] i miscounted [05:19:10] alright, so nuclear, geothermal and tidal [05:19:10] they tidal waves make them move and generate power [05:19:15] and everything *else* comes from the sun... [05:19:41] *the [05:19:53] true [05:20:19] I wonder what a good mix of alternative energy could do for the US [05:20:33] its very difficult [05:20:37] one of the arguments against such energy is "that will only cover part of the grid" [05:20:49] a friend of mine was saying that his company has been doing a lot of research into alternative energy policy lately [05:20:50] i live in germany.. and we do a lot on windmills [05:20:52] people say that against every power type [05:21:02] and that he thinks geothermal is the only viable one for large scale baseline production [05:21:23] in Australia at least [05:21:29] but adding them up can help, like some euro countries do. Granted there is a lot of nuclear thrown in. [05:22:11] the problem is: the energy is there but energy is used constantly while natural energy comes and goes [05:22:31] coal is natural [05:22:37] it doesn't come and go, it just goes [05:23:03] do you understand the problem? [05:23:16] thats true of anything [05:23:18] yes, but you're throwing around the word "natural" in a very imprecise way [05:23:22] then we go out into space [05:23:28] and harvest stuff there [05:23:43] tim was that @ me? [05:23:51] replikant: yes [05:24:00] quote me? [05:24:01] just hope we don't write ourselves into a corner before we have good space travel tech [05:24:11] the problem is: the energy is there but energy is used constantly while natural energy comes and goes [05:24:34] do we have a misunderstanding here? [05:25:30] what could be more natural than taking rocks out mother earth, refining the U-235, and letting it decay? ;) [05:25:54] a process which has been going on for billions of years, now controlled for the benefit of man [05:26:33] im painting it on banners: "no co2, dude!" :P [05:26:57] *AaronSchulz hugs CO2 and water vapor [05:27:34] eeuw aaron.. you are obscene.. stop breathing and transpiring! [05:28:24] heh, actually, you know what happens when a huge CO2 bubble in the earth releases? [05:28:34] little brown kids in africa wil die because of whatever you do or think of doing! so fucking stop it! [05:28:40] you know, geothermal and nuclear energy both have their origin in supernovas which occurred billions of years ago, before the formation of the earth [05:28:51] hi [05:29:01] is this possible to see how many counts there are on a single page [05:30:38] replikant: anyways, I don't have a problem with releasing some CO2 [05:30:52] just not enough that it fucks the atmosphere [05:31:27] that supernova sure f****d up some atmospheres [05:31:46] maybe it's not ethical to be using the proceeds of such monumental destruction for our own profit [05:31:55] stop typing! stop thinking! stop wasting energy! whaterver you do killes cute polar bears.. [05:32:21] TimStarling: haha, when I say "fuck", I mean relative to the biosphere and stuff [05:32:51] i said: stop THINKING! [05:32:55] Jonathan26: what do you mean? [05:33:18] vote some dude that promises to save humankind. it all has a history [05:33:31] MZMcBride: some statistics for a single page. [05:34:00] there's an "info" option that can be enabled [05:34:07] see DefaultSettings.php [05:34:18] though i have no idea what it does [05:34:18] on wikia I mean [05:34:27] or on wikipedia [05:34:40] what kind of statistics? page hits? words? character count? [05:34:46] page hits [05:35:50] well for wikipedia there's wikicharts [05:35:51] AaronSchulz: sure, it's ok when somebody else's planet gets trashed [05:36:10] does it have a biosphere? [05:36:31] maybe [05:36:43] and there's a newly-created page hit counter here: http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ [05:37:02] on wikia, i don't know what their set-up is; i would try #wikia [05:37:04] MZMcBride: where is located the wikichart [05:37:20] http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=wikicharts [05:37:55] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~leon/ [05:39:39] death by CO2 cloud must really really suck [07:06:59] what's the ideal pixel size for wgLogo image? [07:57:05] i have an inline query in semantic media wiki like this: [[Category:City]] [[located in::[[Category:Country]] [[located in::Asia]]]] [07:57:54] but i dont get all results. if i write [[located in::*]] instead of the subquery, it shows me all cities,including the ones in asia [07:58:14] when asking only for the subquery i get all countries in asia [07:58:22] so i dont know if this is a bug... [08:05:54] <_wooz> lo [10:40:05] help: I do get this error mssg if ppl try to add useraccount: [10:40:05] Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters. [10:40:18] error_log(/tmptmp/mw.log) [function.error-log]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory [10:40:40] does someone know what this error is? [10:44:06] you specified bad log file? [10:46:10] can you help me with that please? [10:46:18] im not really sure what you mean [10:46:20] check for mw.log in your LocalSettings.php [10:49:29] yes specified like this: [10:49:29] $wgDebugLogFile = '/tmptmp/mw.log'; [10:49:36] should i make this file? [10:49:49] place an empty file in that directory? [10:49:58] I suppose the wiki directory [10:53:05] still getting this error :( [10:56:07] AlfaDelta: the path /tmptmp doesn't look right. [10:56:13] does tmptmp exist? :) [10:56:21] AlfaDelta: try /tmp/mw.log [10:56:27] yes i just created that path [10:56:34] ok [10:56:51] AlfaDelta: no. you created one in the mw root path, right? [10:57:36] yes [10:57:47] but since you specified it absolute '/tmp/' it doesn't find it. you could also try and set it relative 'tmptmp/mw.log' without the leading slash [10:58:02] COOL [10:58:05] PunkRock [10:58:07] YOU ROCK [10:58:09] thnx :P [10:58:12] np. [10:58:15] tmp did the thing [10:58:25] tmptmp is not good [10:58:33] thnx, your help is much appreciated [11:03:45] re [12:34:42] Is it possible to customise how category pages list articles? I have numbered articles (say, 1-1 to 1-50) and I don't want 1-6 to be sorted after 1-50. Also, is it possible to list articles only in one column? [13:16:44] Snigelinux: i don't get the point. which articles are 1-6 and which one are 1-50 aren't 1-6 included in 1-50? I am deeply confused.... [13:17:12] Snigelinux: AH! [13:17:31] Snigelinux: the acrticle is in fact called '1-5'? [13:17:49] Yes. [13:17:51] Exactly. [13:17:52] Snigelinux: thats .... nasty .... ok. but apart from that. [13:18:37] I understand that it would have been better to call them 1-05 etc, but that's too late now. [13:19:12] Snigelinux: you can't move em? [13:19:15] darn. [13:19:40] Move? You mean rename them somehow? [13:19:58] Well, there are about 50 of them, so I CAN, but i don't WANT to. :) [13:24:44] you can set a sort key in the category link in the article [13:24:53] [[Category:Whatever | sortkey]] [13:25:10] so you don't have to rename them, just change that [13:26:28] renaming sounds like a job for regexes [13:27:02] but that all includes that he has to do it 50 times, right? [13:27:14] i mean adding the sortkey at least. [13:27:21] as I said, regexes. [13:27:36] that would mean hacking the code. [13:30:58] Hm... that is easier than moving/renaming all the articles though. [13:31:13] And I'm a newbie, so i'm not going to hack code if I don't have to. [13:32:51] would not mean hacking the code [13:33:00] it'd just mean botting it.. use AWB or something [13:33:58]