[00:00:15] <cosmodad>	Duesentrieb: removing Confixx is, unfortunately, no viable option. But I can erase the .in file easily.
[00:00:21] <cosmodad>	Duesentrieb: so is the .in file responsible for this?
[00:00:27] <cosmodad>	or .in + Confixx?
[00:01:06] <j_smith>	what is in the in file?
[00:01:11] <Duesentrieb>	i can only guess
[00:01:28] <Duesentrieb>	but as mediawiki does not use a localsettings.php.in file, it should be safe to delete it
[00:01:34] <Duesentrieb>	or rename it
[00:01:41] <Duesentrieb>	or store it on your local machine to look at it
[00:02:25] <j_smith>	confixx might be using the php.in file to restore the .php file.  In that case the in file could be modified and the changes will stick.  thats just a guess.
[00:02:53] <cosmodad>	let me diff...
[00:02:59] <Duesentrieb>	but that would be utterly pointless...
[00:03:09] <j_smith>	very true. 
[00:04:10] <cosmodad>	the .in and non-.in file differ in a few minor lines where my wiki has been adjusted to my personal needs when I did the mediawiki basic configuration through Confixx.
[00:04:25] <cosmodad>	e.g., mail address.
[00:04:28] <j_smith>	wierd.
[00:04:33] <cosmodad>	mysql DB name, et.
[00:04:34] <cosmodad>	c.
[00:04:56] <j_smith>	so the .in is the default file?
[00:05:06] <cosmodad>	apparently.
[00:05:18] <cosmodad>	but...
[00:05:30] <j_smith>	must just be a backup or some such.
[00:05:31] <cosmodad>	the .in file wasn't copied over to the non-.in file.
[00:05:53] <cosmodad>	otherwise, my wiki would be totally useless since, for example, the DB username isn't included.
[00:06:23] <cosmodad>	admittingly, I don't get it completely. It contains lines such as: $wgDBserver         = "@@DB_STRING@@";
[00:06:52] <cosmodad>	whereas LocalSettings.php uses: $wgDBserver         = "localhost";
[00:06:52] <amidaniel>	That would be .. uhh ... incorrect
[00:06:59] <amidaniel>	The latter is correct
[00:07:06] <j_smith>	Oh... I see... that must be the pattern for the confix configuration.
[00:07:16] <cosmodad>	yeah that makes sense.
[00:08:09] <cosmodad>	well I guess I'll just see how things work out with the writable bit disabled...
[00:08:16] <cosmodad>	if that doesn't resolve issues, I'll bug my provider.
[00:09:00] <j_smith>	check the confix support forums. I don't speak german so I couldn't look it up for you
[00:10:01] <cosmodad>	j_smith: oh good idea. Didn't know it was a German-only product.
[00:11:31] <cosmodad>	well thanks guys, you've been a great help.
[00:33:29] <cosmodad>	do you get a mail notification for watched pages? If not, is there an extension or similar to provide such?
[00:33:51] <Skizzerz>	cosmodad: you can enable that in your preferences
[00:33:54] <j_smith>	!mail
[00:33:58] <j_smith>	bummer.
[00:34:25] <cosmodad>	cool, thanks.
[00:35:09] <Skizzerz>	!enotif
[00:35:09] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_notification_.28Enotif.29_settings
[00:39:39] <cosmodad>	Skizzerz: hmm strange, I have $wgEnotifWatchlist enabled but cannot find a corresponding option in my preferences.
[00:40:19] <Skizzerz>	cosmodad: did you specify a valid email address in your preferences and then confirm it?
[00:40:45] <cosmodad>	Skizzerz: I did.
[00:40:47] <Skizzerz>	ok
[00:41:00] <cosmodad>	Skizzerz: confirmation = clicking on a the link in the received mail?
[00:41:00] <Skizzerz>	it should be on the "user profile" tab
[00:41:04] <Skizzerz>	yeah
[00:41:23] <cosmodad>	ah is it "e-mail me on page changes"?
[00:41:37] <Skizzerz>	yes
[00:41:54] <cosmodad>	ok my bad, missed that one.
[00:41:59] <CalD>	Would removing that value remove that feature
[00:41:59] <Skizzerz>	:)
[00:42:06] <CalD>	Sorry, I'm a PHP n00b
[00:43:11] <cosmodad>	I guess it would disable it.
[00:43:37] <cosmodad>	go and try. :)
[00:43:43] *CalD 	is new to PHP and MediaWiki
[00:48:53] <cosmodad>	another issue: what do I need to do in order to have every new registering user get acknowledged via a wiki administrator first?
[00:49:09] <cosmodad>	similar to how you can grant new users in forum software like phpBB.
[00:49:12] <amidaniel>	!access | cosmodad 
[00:49:12] <mwbot>	cosmodad : For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[00:49:50] <cosmodad>	hmm been reading that before, must have missed something again. Re-reading now...
[01:02:42] <wikignome>	what is the html color code of broken links?
[01:16:21] <Werdna>	eep
[01:16:54] <Werdna>	a user has flooded mw.org recentchanges with a few zillion edits.. they don't look bot assisted. Can I mark them with &bot=1?
[01:17:39] <wikignome>	:q
[01:17:45] <wikignome>	oops
[01:17:52] <amidaniel>	Werdna: Knock yourself out :)
[01:18:38] *Werdna 	does so
[01:18:39] <Werdna>	ouch!
[01:18:55] <Werdna>	hey, it didn't work
[01:19:03] <rigid>	i didn't do it :)
[01:19:05] <Werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Schu?bot=1 -- is that the right url?
[01:19:44] <amidaniel>	Werdna: All that does is append the bot=1 to the rollback urls, don't it?
[01:20:13] <amidaniel>	I don't know of anyway to mark nonrollbacked edits as bot edits ...
[01:20:20] <Werdna>	damn.
[01:20:34] <amidaniel>	Would prolly be a nice feature actually :)
[01:20:40] <Werdna>	eep
[01:20:43] *Werdna 	shies away.
[01:20:59] <rigid>	Werdna, if you tell me how to do it by hand, i could hack my mediawikifs to make it do for you
[01:21:14] <rigid>	this way you could mount your wiki and access it by filesystem
[01:21:36] <rigid>	(linux needed)
[01:21:40] <Werdna>	can't be done by hand.
[01:21:46] <Werdna>	that's le problem
[01:21:49] <amidaniel>	rigid: There's nothing in the mediawiki software to do it; a client won't be able to do it either :)
[01:21:51] <rigid>	oh ok
[01:22:40] <rigid>	seems api.php REALLY needs to get complete :)
[01:23:44] <amidaniel>	Well, ideally, the api shouldn't do anything the core software can't do either :)
[01:24:00] <amidaniel>	And, if I may say so myself, the api's coming along quite nicely
[01:24:00] <rigid>	ok... right again
[01:24:08] <amidaniel>	:)
[01:25:46] <Werdna>	now that it has editing..
[01:25:51] *Werdna 	woots.
[01:25:58] <amidaniel>	Which I need to unit test ....
[01:25:59] *amidaniel 	cries
[01:26:17] <rigid>	it has editing? cool
[01:26:32] <Werdna>	yeah, finished a couple weeks ago
[01:38:19] <av16ar_>	hello everybody
[01:38:26] <Skizzerz>	hi
[01:38:59] <av16ar_>	is it possible to add an extension to enwiki please ?
[01:39:24] <amidaniel>	What extension?
[01:39:38] <av16ar_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BackLinksFunctions
[01:39:42] <av16ar_>	:)
[01:40:21] <amidaniel>	Probably not
[01:40:57] <av16ar_>	oh :(( why?
[01:41:26] <amidaniel>	Too intensive of queries, screws up caching, adds more parserfunctions overhead
[01:41:30] <Skizzerz>	uh, it's experimental for one ;)
[01:41:37] <amidaniel>	s/intensive/expensive
[01:41:47] <Skizzerz>	and then per amidaniel's reason :)
[01:42:15] *amidaniel 	has to run ... be back later
[01:43:06] <Werdna>	av16ar_: Also, no consensus that it's needed.
[01:43:25] <av16ar_>	however there is a tool on toolserver which can perform this takl
[01:43:28] <av16ar_>	task*
[01:43:30] <av16ar_>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/tstoc?sortby=hits&tag=backlinks
[01:43:45] <Werdna>	sure. But I don't see the need for this tool on enwiki
[01:43:48] <av16ar_>	but it only works with the mainspace...
[01:43:49] <Werdna>	where would it be used in articles?
[01:44:27] <Werdna>	can you provide a sample use case?
[01:44:47] <av16ar_>	well, imo it would be very useful to see on the "What links here" page the backlink count
[01:45:04] <Werdna>	but that wouldn't use the parser function.
[01:45:22] <av16ar_>	i don't know...
[01:46:24] <av16ar_>	the backlink are already stored in the pagelinks table so..
[01:47:20] <av16ar_>	getting the backlinks count should be something very "quick", no?
[01:47:44] <Werdna>	right, but it needn't be done with a parser function
[01:47:48] <Werdna>	it could be written straight into the code
[01:48:03] <av16ar_>	I would appreciate that :)
[01:49:05] <Werdna>	I shall add it to my todo list
[01:49:24] <av16ar_>	thank you very much
[01:49:36] <av16ar_>	and how long is your todo list?
[01:50:13] <Werdna>	not that long
[01:50:24] <av16ar_>	great!
[01:50:32] <Werdna>	I finished protecting nonexistent pages a day or two ago, so it's quite empty now
[01:51:24] <av16ar_>	ok, I have to go now, so thank you again and see you later
[01:52:08] <Werdna>	bye :)
[02:01:01] <KaL>	hello  community
[02:04:06] <Werdna>	 /nick community
[02:04:53] <Skizzerz>	Werdna: won't work, it's online atm
[02:06:36] <TimLaqua>	So, I get a return of 126 on PNG resizing via imagemagick (/usr/bin/convert)
[02:06:57] <TimLaqua>	the $err is empty, just return of 126
[02:07:18] *Werdna 	hands TimLaqua google
[02:07:24] *TimLaqua 	hands it back
[02:07:26] <Werdna>	http://coppermine-gallery.net/forum/index.php?topic=40598.msg192412
[02:07:38] <Werdna>	first google result for imagick return 126
[02:07:51] <Werdna>	and, lo and behold, post 2
[02:07:55] <Werdna>	126 indicates a permissions problem.
[02:08:14] <TimLaqua>	I read that one.  ;-)
[02:09:16] *Werdna 	indicates www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[02:09:17] <Werdna>	:)
[02:09:49] <TimLaqua>	rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4588 2007-02-10 13:27 convert
[02:10:00] <Werdna>	permissions on the image.
[02:10:16] *TimLaqua 	wanders off to the depths of MW's image folder
[02:10:17] <Werdna>	what are you running convert as, where are you saving it, and what are you resizing?
[02:10:41] <TimLaqua>	resizing an uploaded png
[02:10:51] <TimLaqua>	it's saving in the /thumb pile
[02:11:18] <TimLaqua>	running convert from php via bin/ulimit4.sh (i.e. from wfShellExec)
[02:11:42] <Werdna>	ls -la /path/to/mediawiki/tumb
[02:11:46] <Werdna>	thumb*
[02:12:01] <Werdna>	show me the '.' line.
[02:12:06] <TimLaqua>	GD resizes fine.
[02:12:20] <Werdna>	running from the same script?
[02:12:22] <Werdna>	as he same user?
[02:12:56] <TimLaqua>	yes
[02:15:11] <Werdna>	try running as root.
[02:15:17] <Werdna>	see what happens.
[02:15:49] <TimLaqua>	I can run the command manually as root w/o problems
[02:16:29] <Werdna>	okay, definitely permissions then
[02:16:36] <Werdna>	although, try running it using ulimit4.sh
[02:16:47] <Werdna>	(as root)
[02:20:30] <amidaniel|away>	Werdna: Don't forget file moves :)
[02:20:39] <amidaniel|away>	(reading scrollback)
[02:22:53] <TimLaqua>	wtf
[02:23:08] <TimLaqua>	I couldn't get ANYTHING to run w/ bin/ulimit4.sh
[02:23:36] <TimLaqua>	so I opened it up in vi and there was a ^M at the end of every line
[02:23:54] <TimLaqua>	I deleted all the ^M characters at the end of the lines and it works great now
[02:24:10] <TimLaqua>	"it's permissions" indeed.
[02:27:55] <amidaniel|away>	TimLaqua: Next time ":se ff:unix" will do the trick :)
[02:28:13] <TimLaqua>	eh?
[02:28:27] <amidaniel|away>	The ^M comes from it being in a dos fileformat
[02:28:51] <TimLaqua>	wierd.  I always use Vista as my working machine
[02:29:02] <TimLaqua>	so what's the :se ff:unix deal?
[02:29:03] <amidaniel|away>	Vista == dos
[02:29:13] <amidaniel|away>	se = set, ff = fileformat
[02:29:15] <TimLaqua>	yes, yes, but I still don't see why this would occur now
[02:29:37] <amidaniel|away>	If you edited the file with notepad / wordpad / whatever other dos editor, it will be in a dos format
[02:29:49] <TimLaqua>	I edit w/ notepad++
[02:29:54] <amidaniel|away>	That will do it
[02:30:05] <TimLaqua>	odd.  I've done this w/ thousands of files
[02:30:13] <TimLaqua>	never had the ^M issue
[02:30:56] <amidaniel|away>	If the file is 100% unix or 100% dos, you normally won't be able to tell a difference
[02:31:04] <amidaniel|away>	It's when it's part unix, part dos, that it gets screwy
[02:31:34] <TimLaqua>	so if I download an archive tar.gz archive, unzip on vista, edit, then upload to debian - what is it?
[02:31:55] <amidaniel|away>	Who the fuck knows? :)
[02:32:12] <amidaniel|away>	Could well be part unix / part dos, could be all dos, could be all unix
[02:32:18] <amidaniel|away>	Depends upon a lot of factors
[02:32:19] <TimLaqua>	hey, I had a question earlier - mwbot running google searches?
[02:32:23] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[02:32:25] <amidaniel|away>	Ouch
[02:32:27] <amidaniel|away>	Why?
[02:32:34] <TimLaqua>	whimsy mostly
[02:33:02] <amidaniel|away>	Well, I'll be working on mwbot over the weekend and into next week
[02:33:30] <amidaniel|away>	that is, sometime this weekend or sometime next week :)
[02:34:53] <Werdna>	so I can be like "TimLaqua, stfw"
[02:35:18] <TimLaqua>	indeed.
[02:35:46] <TimLaqua>	though, the web didn't have the answer when I was looking for a 126 return from imagemagick
[02:36:19] <Werdna>	gooooglee
[02:36:21] <Werdna>	:)
[02:36:26] *Werdna 	tickles TimLaqua anyway.
[02:36:41] *TimLaqua 	looks wary
[02:36:50] *Werdna 	throws a server at TimLaqua 
[02:37:06] *TimLaqua 	accepts the apology.
[02:37:46] <Werdna>	hmmm.. I'm going to the US in January... SHould I buy an iPhone while I'm over there?
[02:37:53] <TimLaqua>	negative
[02:38:03] <Werdna>	pourquoi pas?
[02:38:22] <TimLaqua>	just but an htc phone and an ipod touch.  ;-)
[02:38:34] <Werdna>	moar expensive!
[02:52:26] <TimLaqua>	http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2002-November/015805.html
[02:52:27] <TimLaqua>	huh.
[02:52:42] <TimLaqua>	So .sh shouldn't be treated as ascii because to breaks it?
[03:51:24] <Gary_Kirk>	I seem to have forgotten the password for a bot account on my wiki, and MediaWiki says I did not set an email address.. can I reset it? Or should I just rename it and create another account?
[03:56:02] <Werdna>	@search password
[03:56:02] <mwbot>	Results: [passwordreset, passwordsql, secrets]
[03:56:08] <Werdna>	!passwordreset | Gary_Kirk 
[03:56:08] <mwbot>	Gary_Kirk : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[03:56:18] <Werdna>	wait, no
[03:56:25] <Werdna>	!passwordsql | Gary_Kirk 
[03:56:25] <mwbot>	Gary_Kirk : UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT("1-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_id=1;  This will reset the password for the user with user_id 1 (the default admin account, usually WikiSysop) to "password".  If you do not know the name of the user account, execute: SELECT user_name FROM user WHERE user_id=1;
[03:56:58] <Gary_Kirk>	oh, I know my admin/'crat account, just not a bot account I made]
[03:57:21] <Werdna>	find their user-id with select user_id from user where user_name='bot name';
[03:57:44] <Werdna>	then follow the instructions above, replacing '1' in "1-" and "user_id=1" with the number you get.
[03:57:59] <Gary_Kirk>	cheers
[03:58:37] *Gary_Kirk 	hasn't used phpmyadmin for a while :)
[04:01:18] *Gary_Kirk 	assumes that Werdna meant him to type that in there :P
[04:01:31] <Werdna>	or mysql
[04:01:42] <Gary_Kirk>	shared host
[04:03:02] <Werdna>	then yes, phpmyadmin
[04:03:33] <Gary_Kirk>	ok when I set these wikis up I was on a host where I could only have 2 MySQL DBs. So there are quite a few tables including at least 2 wikis in this one database
[04:04:11] <Gary_Kirk>	do I go to the mwuser table? mw being the DB prefix
[04:05:09] <Gary_Kirk>	change it to UPDATE mwuser SET .. I assume?
[04:05:12] <Werdna>	yep
[04:05:38] <Gary_Kirk>	Affected rows: 1 (Query took 0.0135 sec)
[04:05:40] <Gary_Kirk>	now what?
[04:05:54] <Werdna>	password has been reset to "password"
[04:05:59] <Gary_Kirk>	Ok thanks
[04:08:27] <Gary_Kirk>	didn't work
[04:09:06] <Gary_Kirk>	Oh hold on.
[04:10:40] <Gary_Kirk>	nope. still
[04:11:20] <Werdna>	what query did you use
[04:11:59] <Gary_Kirk>	UPDATE mwlabuser SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT("1-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_id=3
[04:12:48] <Werdna>	CONCAT("1-"
[04:12:50] <Werdna>	s/1/3/
[04:13:14] <Gary_Kirk>	change 1 to 3? :)
[04:13:20] <Werdna>	yesd
[04:13:35] <Gary_Kirk>	woop
[04:13:38] <Gary_Kirk>	thanks
[04:13:44] <Gary_Kirk>	*scribbles that down*
[04:17:24] <Gary_Kirk>	Any reason I get a "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." message when navigating to create a page called "Resetting user passwords"?
[04:18:04] <Werdna>	probably
[04:18:07] <Werdna>	not one that I'm aware of
[04:18:19] <Gary_Kirk>	Ok
[04:19:31] <Gary_Kirk>	How do I change the font colour without messy <font color=red"> HTML, as that is being phased out and I'm vaguely aware I can use <div>s and CSS?
[04:21:00] <Werdna>	well, it depends on why you're changing the font colour.
[04:21:08] <Werdna>	HTML is supposed to be about semantics.
[04:21:31] <Alp->	i have a problem with semantic mediawiki
[04:21:43] <Werdna>	Alp-: oh, that's a shame
[04:21:49] <Alp->	i made an inline query with <ask>
[04:21:59] <Alp->	and inside a subquery with <q>
[04:22:01] <Gary_Kirk>	I only want to replace the actual user ID in that query with "user id" and add "db prefix" in red in a page documenting how to do that
[04:22:08] <Alp->	but i get too less results.. very weird
[04:22:44] <Gary_Kirk>	without using <font color="red">user id</font><font color="black">*rest of query>/font<font color=red>...
[04:22:53] <Werdna>	Gary_Kirk: well, ideally you'd use a class etc, but for now, <span style="color: red;"></span> will do.
[04:23:15] <Gary_Kirk>	so the same really. ok thanks
[04:23:58] <Alp->	does anyone tried using subqueries in semantic mediawiki?
[04:24:32] <Alp->	if i split that to 2 normal queries i get all the results. but the combination gets me far too few
[05:21:45] *Shinjiman 	kicks CIA-6 which does not reporting the changes, and kicks-kicks again.
[08:57:05] <FreeNom>	re
[09:14:59] <amidaniel|away>	@die
[09:17:57] <amidaniel|away>	!man is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:`e1
[09:17:57] <mwbot>	Successfully added keyword: man
[09:18:19] <amidaniel|away>	!info is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=`e1&go=Go
[09:18:19] <mwbot>	Successfully added keyword: info
[09:18:26] <amidaniel|away>	!man $wgGroupPermissions
[09:18:26] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions
[09:18:29] <amidaniel|away>	weeee
[09:19:33] <TimStarling>	aren't those manual pages generally out of date?
[09:19:48] <amidaniel|away>	Probably quite, but it's better than nothing :)
[09:20:51] <TimStarling>	you could point people to DefaultSettings.php
[09:30:09] <FreeNom>	why not updating those manual pages :)
[09:30:26] <amidaniel|away>	There are a lot of them :) You're more than welcome to, however :P
[09:30:44] <FreeNom>	:)
[09:31:45] <amidaniel|away>	@trust hemlock\..*
[09:31:45] <mwbot>	Added hemlock\..* to trusted hostnames list.
[09:31:54] <amidaniel>	!foo is bar
[09:31:54] <mwbot>	Successfully added keyword: foo
[09:31:58] <amidaniel>	!foo del
[09:31:58] <mwbot>	Successfully removed keyword: foo
[09:32:06] <amidaniel>	@untrust hemlock\..*
[09:32:06] <mwbot>	Removed hemlock\..* from trusted hostnames list.
[09:32:17] <amidaniel>	!foo is bar
[09:32:17] <mwbot>	You don't have permission to do that.
[09:32:23] <amidaniel>	Goodie :)
[09:46:12] <Nikerabbit>	why not extend protectedpages?
[09:46:54] <amidaniel|away>	Nikerabbit: Hrm?
[09:47:04] <yao_ziyuan>	hi
[09:47:15] <amidaniel|away>	Hi
[09:47:22] <yao_ziyuan>	i want to suggest a feature that could be very important for chinese readers of wikipedia
[09:47:46] <yao_ziyuan>	that is,
[09:48:10] <yao_ziyuan>	for a registered user of a mediawiki (such as wikipedia),
[09:48:14] <yao_ziyuan>	allow him to create Collections
[09:48:58] <yao_ziyuan>	he can add the currently viewed wikipedia article to a Collection such as "MyComputerScienceCollection"
[09:49:41] <yao_ziyuan>	and mediawiki should be able to download a Collection as a directory of local HTML files and associated files
[09:50:15] <yao_ziyuan>	after that, this local directory can be used to generate a CHM (compiled HTMLHelp) file for further dissemination.
[09:51:38] <yao_ziyuan>	so if a chinese citizen receives a CHM made out of a Collection, he would get an incentive to manage to go to wikipedia's website
[09:51:51] <yao_ziyuan>	the CHM also contains instructions for him to bypass the Great Firewall
[09:53:41] <TimStarling>	yao_ziyuan: presumably anyone could just download the pages from the website and make such CHM files
[09:54:02] <TimStarling>	it wouldn't need to be an official wikimedia thing
[09:54:11] <Nikerabbit>	chm is propietary format :<
[09:54:16] <yao_ziyuan>	if you download individual wikipedia article pages with your web browser,
[09:54:32] <yao_ziyuan>	then common resource files such as the wikipedia logo image would be downloaded for many times.
[09:54:36] <yao_ziyuan>	that's not space efficient.
[09:55:06] <yao_ziyuan>	Nikerabbit: chm is actually a cross-platform thing now. i just saw this firefox extension that can view a chm file in firefox... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3235
[09:55:08] <amidaniel|away>	So use action=render or raw
[09:55:43] <amidaniel|away>	yao_ziyuan: That doesn't make chm any less a proprietary format :)
[09:56:34] <yao_ziyuan>	currently, i use an offline downloader Offline Explorer to collect some wikipedia contents starting from a specific URL and compassing all pages and resources within 1 level of linkage from the start page, and make the downloaded directory into a CHM.
[09:56:47] <yao_ziyuan>	amidaniel|away: i know. a zip of a html directory is also good
[09:57:41] <yao_ziyuan>	compassing -> encompassing
[09:57:52] <amidaniel|away>	Okay, it still seems like something that would be best done client-side
[09:58:10] <amidaniel|away>	Use your crawler with action=render to conserve bandwidth
[09:58:22] <amidaniel|away>	See for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia?action=render
[09:58:51] <yao_ziyuan>	it's like getting an iceberg's tip of wikipedia and making a chm out of it and seducing the chinese readers to break the Wall
[09:59:14] <yao_ziyuan>	what does action=render do?
[09:59:44] <amidaniel|away>	Gives you just the raw html of the page without the js / skins / etc.
[10:00:03] <yao_ziyuan>	great
[10:00:13] <yao_ziyuan>	but it seems this argument is not transitive
[10:00:35] <amidaniel|away>	Hrm?
[10:00:36] <yao_ziyuan>	i.e. when i click a link on it, the link is still without this argument
[10:00:50] <amidaniel|away>	Well, you're using a crawler, you can append the argument there can't you?
[10:00:58] <yao_ziyuan>	i'm not sure
[10:01:13] <yao_ziyuan>	without the script is very good
[10:01:30] <yao_ziyuan>	script errors can make my CHM pop up error message dialog boxes
[10:01:39] <yao_ziyuan>	i have to use another script to suppress them
[10:02:44] *amidaniel|away 	is off to bed ... good night
[10:09:14] <yao_ziyuan>	i mean, if you use a web browser to save individual wikipedia articles offline,
[10:09:33] <yao_ziyuan>	there will be a folder (directory) for each of these HTML files
[10:09:58] <yao_ziyuan>	in the folder there are images and other required files for an HTML
[10:10:27] <yao_ziyuan>	if the same image is referenced by several articles, it will be saved in all these articles' folders
[10:11:33] <yao_ziyuan>	therefore i want mediawiki to be able to download a hand-picked Collection of wiki pages as an offline directory,
[10:11:59] <yao_ziyuan>	with the same image only saved once and referenced by all pages that need it
[10:14:05] <_wooz>	lo
[10:28:10] <yao_ziyuan>	can i know mediawiki's current development priorities?
[10:30:38] <hashar>	yao_ziyuan> nobody knows :)
[10:31:02] <yao_ziyuan>	...
[10:31:34] <yao_ziyuan>	if anyone has an interest for causing democracy in china,
[10:31:34] <yao_ziyuan>	he should consider my suggestion
[10:33:03] <yao_ziyuan>	i.e. offline downloading of a user-picked Collection of wiki pages
[10:33:03] <yao_ziyuan>	forming an offline subset of a wiki
[10:33:03] <yao_ziyuan>	or "subgraph"
[10:33:03] <yao_ziyuan>	i actually made a sample CHM:
[10:33:05] <yao_ziyuan>	http://groups.google.com/group/zh_wikipedia/web/algorithms2.zip
[10:33:24] <yao_ziyuan>	if you are running windows, you can download it and rename the inside .chm_ file to .chm
[10:33:46] <yao_ziyuan>	pages other than the front page have script errors that have not been suppressed yet
[10:34:35] <minute>	!enter
[10:36:31] <hashar>	yao_ziyuan> have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiReader
[10:37:16] <yao_ziyuan>	wow!
[10:41:58] <yao_ziyuan>	so, mediawiki should have native support for creating WikiReaders
[10:54:16] <nameless`>	hi
[10:54:50] <nameless`>	please, how can i transform html path from index.php?title=xxx to /xxx ?
[10:54:54] <sigma_kubuntu>	how do you remove the discussion tab in all wiki pages?
[10:56:19] <Duesentrieb>	sigma_kubuntu: see faq
[10:56:37] <Duesentrieb>	!shorturl | nameless`
[10:56:37] <mwbot>	nameless`: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups.
[10:56:56] <nameless`>	mwbot: thx
[10:57:14] <sigma_kubuntu>	where can i find the faq?
[10:57:25] <checkers>	is it possible to directly edit the database to change a username?
[10:57:49] <checkers>	I tried changing user_name in the user table, but it didn't work, I get a "no user with that username" error
[10:57:58] <Duesentrieb>	checkers: possible, yes, but not recommended. you will break references.
[10:58:09] <checkers>	Duesentrieb, that's acceptable in this case
[10:58:15] <Duesentrieb>	why?
[10:58:22] <Duesentrieb>	there's a renameuser extension
[10:58:47] <checkers>	you mean it will do it without breaking stuff?
[10:58:54] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[10:58:54] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser
[10:59:19] <checkers>	thanks for the pointer
[10:59:24] <Duesentrieb>	sigma_kubuntu: it's in the channel topic...
[10:59:37] <checkers>	<Duesentrieb> why? <-- in this case because I'm not worried about the references basically
[11:00:08] <checkers>	i'm using it as something closer to a pastebin
[11:00:28] <Duesentrieb>	but broken database references may cause actual software errors.
[11:00:35] <Duesentrieb>	referential integrity is not just "nice"...
[11:00:56] <checkers>	i'll see how I go with the extension :)
[11:01:19] <Duesentrieb>	you may have to set up extra permissions. read the docs
[11:01:32] <minute>	Anyway to show SQL queries on the database error page?
[11:01:43] <minute>	I can only see a way to write it to a debug file.
[11:01:44] <checkers>	I'll ask later if I have issues
[11:01:53] <Duesentrieb>	!debug | minute
[11:01:53] <mwbot>	minute: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[11:02:39] <minute>	Ahh, merci.
[11:19:12] <minute>	Is it possible to do "<cell table="iau" column="latitude" where="name:{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}" />"?
[11:19:26] <minute>	It does not work on my wiki. :(
[11:20:44] <Duesentrieb>	minute: perhaps because <cell> is not valid in anything i am aware of?
[11:20:50] <Duesentrieb>	what are you trying to do?
[11:21:43] <twincest>	i believe templates in html parameters were disabled a year or two ago because the new (at the time) preprocessor couldn't escape them securely
[11:21:46] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... not sure if template parameter substitution works in tag args (if <cell> is an extension tag). it might... or not.
[11:21:47] <twincest>	but that may have changed since
[11:22:22] <Duesentrieb>	twincest: i'm pretty sure it wirks in html attributes (a lot of templates use that). i'm not sure if it works with attributes of extension tags.
[11:22:34] <Duesentrieb>	it should, imho. but it might not
[11:24:28] <minute>	Duesentrieb: SOrry, my PC restarted itself. <cell> is a parser tag I added, but I am talking about the template subsitution.
[11:25:19] <Duesentrieb>	yes. it might well be that it doesn#t work in attributes of parser tags. it definitely doesn't in the *content* of parser tags (which is actually a feature, kind of). it should imho work in attributes, but i'm not sure if it does
[11:25:32] <Duesentrieb>	try writing a test case, and check bugzilla
[11:26:19] <minute>	:S
[11:27:10] <minute>	It might work in trunk, TBH I can't be bothered to go to the trouble since I really need this now and will have to find an alternative.
[11:27:57] <minute>	Although, thinking about it: a bit lame; maybe I will.
[11:30:21] <minute>	Hmm, 2257 is about the content...
[11:33:49] <Duesentrieb>	minute: if you mess with how parser hook attributes are handeled, perhaps coordinate with TimStarling. We are about to switch to a new preprocessor...
[11:34:56] <minute>	Yeah, I will; but first I'm going to have a poke around my test wiki version to see if I can get it on the current old preprocessor or the new preprocessor.
[12:11:41] <Grondin>	hi every body
[12:12:42] <Grondin>	Nikerabbit, ???
[12:12:58] <Grondin>	I've submitted a patch correcting a bug in Title.php
[12:13:00] <Grondin>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12314
[12:13:42] <Grondin>	In functionnality Protected Title, the fils calls a wrong column in `protected_titles` table in MySql
[12:15:20] <Niktator>	hi all
[12:15:29] <tstaerk>	I have submitted a patch for bug 10574 Export pages should allow to export all pages
[12:15:51] <Niktator>	my i ignore, that he can`t find gdiff3 or diff3? normal diff is installed
[12:16:37] <Niktator>	actually i can`t find a proper package. or is it included in gnuutils or something?
[12:34:23] <twincest>	Niktator: GNU diff3 is part of GNU diffutils
[12:34:31] <twincest>	ignore the warning during install and set $wgDiff3 later
[12:34:48] <twincest>	$wgDiff3 = '/opt/diffutils/bin/diff3';
[12:40:24] <CIA-38>	03rotem * r28508 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[12:54:08] <Niktator>	thanks twincest 
[12:54:47] <twincest>	stemd: did you get the welcome mail for your toolserver account?
[12:55:01] <stemd>	yup
[12:58:04] <stemd>	twincest: procedure was looongish, but finally successful ;-)
[13:12:07] *Grondin 	is away: ¡ Viva la siesta !
[13:17:29] <CIA-38>	03siebrand * r28509 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (25 files): 
[13:17:29] <CIA-38>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[13:17:29] <CIA-38>	* an, ar, ast, chr (new), crh-cyrl, crh-latn, cs, cy, diq (new), dsb, el, fr, hu, ja, lb, loz, lt, nl, no, qu, sah, sdc, su, tl, wo
[13:20:19] <CIA-38>	03siebrand * r28510 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[13:20:19] <CIA-38>	* update RELEASE-NOTES
[13:20:19] <CIA-38>	* set fallback for diq to tr
[13:20:19] <CIA-38>	* update name for cbk-zam
[13:36:36] <Niktator>	is there some way to use VB users - which have spaces and underscores in their names? all howtos i can find, need a plugin to remove spaces and such
[13:37:51] <Jamesw2>	hello channel, quick one: how can I tell which version I am running by loking at the code? I already try history/release/readme and didnt found it. thanks.
[13:38:27] <twincest>	Jamesw2: includes/DefaultSettings.php, $wgVersion
[13:40:48] <Jamesw2>	found it, thanks!
[13:42:34] <Niktator>	puh, no underscores no blanks in usernames? that means i got to change ~35 000 usernames. i bet some will be **** off ^^
[13:43:08] <twincest>	you can have spaces in usernames
[13:45:50] <Jamesw2>	hmm another one: my hosting went from php 5 to php 4.4.7 (without telling, for no reason) and so my mediawiki 1.10.0 stopped working. 
[13:46:16] <Jamesw2>	Appart from migrating to another hosting provider and cursing them, is there any hope?
[13:46:26] <Jamesw2>	Ccan 1.10.0 work with php 4.4.7 ???
[13:46:40] <Niktator>	twincest: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VBulletin/Users_Integration
[13:47:42] <twincest>	Niktator: i don't see anything that says spaces aren't allowed in a quick scan of the page
[13:48:02] <Niktator>	in that howto section they are asking for a vb plugin which helps to get rid of underscore and blanks
[13:48:47] <twincest>	why would a plugin that "restricts usernames to alphanumeric and underscores", "disallowed underscores"?  that sentence is broken
[13:48:48] <Niktator>	"Install Reynaldovb's Restrict usernames to alphanumeric and underscore plugin, and disallow both spaces and underscores "
[13:48:52] <CIA-38>	03siebrand * r28511 10/trunk/extensions/ (37 files in 37 dirs): 
[13:48:52] <CIA-38>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[13:48:52] <CIA-38>	* Fixes and additions to 37 extensions for ar, bg, ca, diq, el, fr, hsb, hu, loz, lt, nl, no, oc, stq
[13:49:51] <Niktator>	ok, so you think that`s just optional?
[13:50:10] <twincest>	i don't know, i don't use vB or that plugin
[13:50:23] <twincest>	but certainly there's no need to disallow either underscores or spaces (but don't allow both)
[13:50:31] <twincest>	i assume the extension would properly convert underscores to spaces..
[13:59:40] <Jamesw2>	anyon knows if mediawiki 1.10 will work with php 4.4.7 after working with php 5?
[13:59:49] <TimLaqua>	it won't
[13:59:56] <twincest>	mediawiki 1.7 or higher requires php5
[14:01:12] <Jamesw2>	ok, so I need to write those guys and see why on earth downgraded the php version >.<
[14:01:26] <Jamesw2>	thanks a lot guys, you have been very helpful :-)  bye
[14:01:28] <TimLaqua>	they may have just changed the default handler
[14:01:34] *TimLaqua 	sighs
[14:14:05] <CIA-38>	03tlaqua * r28512 10/trunk/extensions/phpbbData/phpbbData.php: Changed announcements command from accepting forum_name to forum_id - forum_name isn't unique.
[14:15:13] <vigge_sWe>	hi
[14:15:24] <vigge_sWe>	Can I get skins from somewhere?
[14:19:50] <CIA-38>	03rotem * r28513 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesHe.php): Removing the link for clearing the watchlist.
[14:26:43] <CIA-38>	03tlaqua * r28514 10/trunk/extensions/phpbbData/phpbbData.php: Simplified #phpbblink syntax. Still only supports topic linking atm.
[14:35:48] <CIA-38>	03rotem * r28515 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: Adding xjt (to check the number of days in the Hebrew month), fixing methods order, cleaning up Hebrew calendar code and comments.
[14:44:39] <gluck_>	hello
[14:44:59] <gluck_>	i'm looking for an extension who would permit to create pages under different licences
[14:45:04] <gluck_>	Does it exist?
[14:47:31] <Dvyjones>	Can't you just do the same as on the Help-namespace on the Mediawiki-wiki
[14:47:38] <Dvyjones>	Just edit the css abit
[14:48:10] <Dvyjones>	See http://www.mediawiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[14:48:19] <Dvyjones>	and http://www.mediawiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[14:50:17] <gluck_>	how will the edition of the css my problem? Do you propose to have differents namespaces?
[14:51:02] <Dvyjones>	Hmm, I don't know if it is possible to add it to a class, and use a template to add the class to the page
[14:53:50] <gluck_>	just another question. Can two pages from different namespaces have the same name?
[14:54:06] <twincest>	yes
[14:54:18] <Dvyjones>	Like Namespace1:Test and Namespace2:Test, yes
[14:55:03] <gluck_>	:( Impossible to forbid? Because it could be a good solution for me. 
[14:55:29] <Dvyjones>	It would be possible I think, but hard
[14:55:57] <gluck_>	ok
[15:00:08] <gluck_>	i think the simplest way is finally to categorize the pages by licence. it's not as clean as i wished but it will be enough 
[15:30:29] <CIA-38>	03vasilievvv * r28516 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.list.php: Fix a typo
[16:11:35] <minute>	How can I tell if the old parser or the new parser is enabled on my wiki?
[16:12:21] <brion>	to enable the old parser you'd have to set: $wgParserConf = array( 'class' => 'Parser_OldPP' );
[16:12:48] <brion>	of course i fyou have no includes/Paser_OldPP.php then you are running an old version and you have no new parser :)
[16:12:54] <minute>	Oh, so the new one should be automatically enabled then?
[16:13:49] <minute>	Well it is 'class' => 'Parser' in DefaultSettings.php so I presume so/
[16:13:50] <minute>	Thanks.
[16:14:16] <minute>	But, dang - this means that bug 2257 isn't fixed yet
[16:14:32] <VasilievVV>	Yes
[16:15:09] *Grondin 	is back (gone 03:03:01)
[16:15:42] <Grondin>	hi brion
[16:15:51] <checkers>	what parser does .11 use?
[16:16:00] <minute>	And, TimLaqua old
[16:16:04] <minute>	uh
[16:16:06] <minute>	]sorry
[16:16:14] <minute>	checkers: the old one
[16:16:30] <VasilievVV>	brion: can you create russian Planet Wikimedia?
[16:20:48] <brion>	VasilievVV: monday
[16:21:02] <VasilievVV>	brion: ok
[16:22:42] <minute>	Man, I just missed Tim as well.
[16:29:12] <CIA-38>	03leon * r28517 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[16:29:12] <CIA-38>	* (bug 11555) Make editsection links come after section seadlines. This has no visible effect to graphical browsers,
[16:29:12] <CIA-38>	 but fixes the issue that headlines look like "[edit] Headline" in text browsers.
[16:43:19] <Massimiliano>	can anyone tell me what's wrong with this request ? [ every information in the text ] http://rafb.net/p/I9iEaG50.html
[16:45:40] <TimLaqua>	Massimiliano: does it say your edit goken was garbled?
[16:45:45] <TimLaqua>	*token
[16:46:52] <TimLaqua>	Massimiliano: you need to encode the + in your edit token to %2B - so wpEditToken would be: 98tf790f7fb07578bf7914ee5174b2c3%2B\
[16:54:38] <minute>	setTransparentTagHook looks promising.
[17:01:29] <minute>	Oh man, that is in 1.12 not 1.11. *grr*
[17:04:07] <minute>	Transparent alright as well. :P
[17:04:44] <Massimiliano>	TimLaqua, I need to encode it like an url also if I am using a multipart request?
[17:09:47] <CIA-38>	03gri6507 * r28518 10/trunk/extensions/TodoTasks/SpecialTaskList.i18n.php: added Hebrew translations
[17:45:42] <Astirmays>	Hi there,
[17:46:33] <Astirmays>	Salut les as
[17:47:54] <Astirmays>	I have something to do to allow subpages to some namespaces on my wiki
[17:48:13] <Astirmays>	I found the page about that : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages
[17:48:31] <Astirmays>	But I'm not sure I understand well...
[17:48:51] <Dvyjones>	Which namespaces do you want to allow subpages on?
[17:49:52] <Astirmays>	Well : projet (= Project ; the wiki is in french)
[17:50:56] <Astirmays>	I see on the mediawiki page that :
[17:50:58] <Astirmays>	array(
[17:50:59] <Astirmays>	        NS_TALK           => true,
[17:51:01] <Astirmays>	        NS_USER           => true,
[17:51:02] <Astirmays>	        NS_USER_TALK      => true,
[17:51:03] <Dvyjones>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpage[NS_PROJECT] = true;
[17:51:04] <Astirmays>	        NS_PROJECT_TALK   => true,
[17:51:06] <Astirmays>	        NS_IMAGE_TALK     => true,
[17:51:08] <Astirmays>	        NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK => true,
[17:51:10] <Astirmays>	        NS_TEMPLATE_TALK  => true,
[17:51:11] <Astirmays>	        NS_HELP_TALK      => true,
[17:51:13] <Astirmays>	        NS_CATEGORY_TALK  => true
[17:51:15] <Astirmays>	 );
[17:51:18] <Dvyjones>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpage[NS_PROJECT] = true;
[17:51:20] <twincest>	don't paste
[17:51:24] <Dvyjones>	That should work
[17:51:27] <Dvyjones>	I think
[17:51:53] <Dvyjones>	Could anyone confirm that?
[17:52:41] <Astirmays>	Note that "projet" is an extra namespace on this wiki
[17:52:49] <Dvyjones>	aah
[17:53:01] <Astirmays>	I did that before :
[17:53:02] <Astirmays>	$wgExtraNamespaces =
[17:53:04] <Astirmays>		array(100 => "Projet",
[17:53:05] <Astirmays>		      101 => "Discussion_Projet",
[17:53:07] <Astirmays>		      102 => "Portail",
[17:53:09] <Astirmays>		      103 => "Discussion_Portail");
[17:53:14] <Dvyjones>	Please don't paste
[17:53:22] <Dvyjones>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpage[100] = true;
[17:53:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	"Don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/"
[17:53:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	-the topic
[17:53:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	please read it.
[17:54:04] <Astirmays>	Oh you mean don't past on IRC...
[17:54:19] <Dvyjones>	Yes
[17:54:41] <Astirmays>	I understood don't past it on your wiki file...
[17:55:20] <Dvyjones>	$wgNamespacesWithSubpage[100] = true; <-- Put that line in LocalSettings.php
[17:55:39] <Astirmays>	Ok I won't past anymore
[17:56:04] <CIA-38>	03siebrand * r28519 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:56:04] <CIA-38>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[17:56:04] <CIA-38>	* fr, fj (new), gd (new), hsb, nl, sdc
[17:56:19] <Astirmays>	Ok, is there somewhere I can check the existing namespace numbers ?
[17:57:17] <Astirmays>	I mean, We wrote it in the MediaWiki:Monobook.css file,
[17:57:42] <Grondin>	Astirmays, es-tu là ?
[17:57:48] <Astirmays>	oui
[17:57:49] <Grondin>	j'ai la solution
[17:57:58] <Astirmays>	Super !
[17:58:14] <Grondin>	tu veux créer des sous-pages dans Projets et Portail ?
[17:58:20] <Astirmays>	On risque pas de déranger à parler français ?
[17:58:39] <Astirmays>	Oui, c'est ça,
[17:59:03] <Grondin>	Alors je te conseillerai de créer les espaces de la manière suivante :
[17:59:17] <Massimiliano>	TimLaqua
[17:59:30] <TimLaqua>	ya?
[17:59:40] <Grondin>	Astirmays, je te prépare le script
[17:59:58] <Astirmays>	Ok, super,
[18:00:04] <Massimiliano>	i encoded the postdata... but it don't accept the header
[18:00:16] <TimLaqua>	don't encode it
[18:00:34] <Massimiliano>	it seems it doent's see any variable... like the whole header is wrong
[18:00:42] <TimLaqua>	just str_replace('+','%2B',wpEditToken);
[18:01:05] <Massimiliano>	I did it
[18:01:16] <TimLaqua>	k, lemme looka gain
[18:01:45] <Astirmays>	Grondin: tu me le ferait passer comment, le script ?
[18:08:09] <TimLaqua>	"wpStarttime=" & strwpStartTime & "&wpEdittime=" & strwpEditTime & "&wpEditToken=" & wikiEscape(strwpEditToken) & "&wpTextbox1=" & wikiEscape(strArticleText)
[18:08:25] <TimLaqua>	just those, get red of the others
[18:08:43] <TimLaqua>	so wpStarttime, wpEdittime, wpEditToken, and wpTextbox1
[18:09:06] <CIA-38>	03siebrand * r28520 10/trunk/extensions/ (28 files in 28 dirs): 
[18:09:06] <CIA-38>	Localisation updates from Betawiki.
[18:09:06] <CIA-38>	* Fixes and additions to 28 extensions for ast, bg, gd, hsb, fj, la, nl, oc, stq
[18:09:46] <Platonides>	TimLaqua, you also need wpSave
[18:10:01] <TimLaqua>	nope
[18:10:12] <TimLaqua>	that's from a working bot.
[18:10:19] <Platonides>	(and i don't recommend to wikiescape the Article text, it can be very long, better use multipart )
[18:10:39] <TimLaqua>	eh, he's just trying to update an article
[18:21:31] <Spyro_boy>	Good afternoon.
[18:21:51] <Spyro_boy>	Is there a way to hotlink an image?
[18:22:41] <Spyro_boy>	I'm also not hotlinking any website, but my own server.  (I know of it's malpractice, but I don't feel like uploading each image separately to the mediawiki when it's already on the server)
[18:23:13] <Skizzerz>	!externalimages | Spyro_boy 
[18:23:13] <mwbot>	Spyro_boy : To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[18:26:04] <Spyro_boy>	oh, I ended up trying to find something on wikitext, but it seems it's not there.
[18:26:07] <Spyro_boy>	thanks for the info.
[18:26:17] <TimLaqua>	!icon
[18:26:17] <mwbot>	<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon>
[18:26:29] <Massimiliano>	ok, i tried with application/x-www-form-urlencoded and it works... multipart/form-data doesn't work anyway
[18:27:43] <Spyro_boy>	thanks for your help. :)
[18:45:16] <SamRose>	How would one go about stopping new account creation, and editing of pages for anon users in Mediawiki 1.10 ?
[18:46:08] <SamRose>	I have tried:
[18:46:24] <SamRose>	# Prevent new user registrations except by sysops
[18:46:26] <SamRose>	$wgWhitelistAccount = array ( "user" => 0, "sysop" => 1, "developer" => 1 );
[18:46:28] <SamRose>	# Disable anonymous editing, anon account creation
[18:46:29] <SamRose>	$wgWhitelistEdit = true;
[18:46:31] <SamRose>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = false;
[18:46:32] <SamRose>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount'] = false;
[18:46:37] <SamRose>	But no dice
[18:46:55] <Skizzerz_Away>	yeah...
[18:47:59] <Skizzerz_Away>	you wan't $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false; and $wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount'] = true;
[18:48:03] <Skizzerz_Away>	*want
[18:48:28] <Skizzerz_Away>	(oh, and $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true;)
[18:49:10] <SamRose>	that works on MW 1.10, right?
[18:49:20] <Skizzerz_Away>	SamRose: yes, that works on 1.10
[18:49:54] <Skizzerz_Away>	you don't need the whitelist thingies either
[18:50:06] <SamRose>	Skizzers_Away I thank you. Just need to lock down a wiki temporarily while I put in some spam protection
[18:50:13] <Skizzerz_Away>	np
[18:51:48] <SamRose>	on  $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;  and others with '*', will I also need to specify $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true; etc?
[18:52:33] <Skizzerz_Away>	SamRose: I set it so that all registered users can edit, but if you want to change it to sysop, change user with sysop
[18:52:36] <Dashiva>	As long as user is specified, you don't need sysop
[18:53:01] <SamRose>	I see, thanks again!
[18:59:46] <Dvyjones>	Hi Jack!
[18:59:48] <SamRose>	it worked!
[18:59:52] <SamRose>	:)
[18:59:56] <Skizzerz>	:)
[19:00:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey hey Dvyjones, haven't seen you in a while...what's new? :)
[19:00:30] <Dvyjones>	Nothing specal, I'm learning C#, thats all :P
[19:00:53] <Schroeder2>	Dvyjones: what all do you have in your locker?
[19:01:37] <Dvyjones>	Schroeder2: sorry, don't understand what you mean
[19:02:24] <Dashiva>	Feigning ignorance will get you nowhere
[19:02:56] <Skizzerz>	 /nick Nobody | /me cares
[19:03:16] <Skizzerz>	:P
[19:03:22] <Dvyjones>	:P
[19:22:55] <Mookie>	There are some math typesets that texlive appears to not support. Hrm.
[19:28:01] <BlaenkDenum>	is there an extension for syntax highlighting that you guys know of
[19:28:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	!syntaxhighlight
[19:28:15] <Jack_Phoenix>	...bah
[19:28:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	!highlight
[19:28:19] <mwbot>	there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[19:29:39] <Skizzerz>	?
[19:29:54] <BlaenkDenum>	thanks Jack_Phoenix 
[19:29:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[19:30:05] <BlaenkDenum>	GeSHi ! Yay :)
[19:30:21] <enhydra>	it has several disadvantages
[19:30:39] <enhydra>	for example, it is unable to cope with regular expressions in javascript
[19:30:55] <enhydra>	and the default colorset is ugly...
[19:32:48] <crichins>	Question about MediaWiki and Copyrights for someone who can answer a question not on mediawiki.org for wikipedia.org
[19:34:09] <crichins>	Is there anyone here?
[19:34:47] <TimLaqua>	!ask | crichins
[19:34:47] <mwbot>	crichins: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[19:35:52] <crichins>	Ok, thanks... I was wondering if I use the mediawiki software on my own personal site for documentation does all my documents fall under GFDL?
[19:36:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	crichins, no, if you choose to install MediaWiki on your own host, you can select the license.
[19:37:04] <crichins>	I want to make of my own but I want to retain all copyrights and not have anything fall under GFDL
[19:37:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	that is possible, yes
[19:38:33] <crichins>	Great, So even though I am using MediaWiki to run my site I  can choose how content posted will be copyrighted.. Just what  needed to know. Now I just to see how I am going to submit the site for copyright once I get it done...
[19:39:12] <crichins>	I can submit the articles individually but then I wonder if I can just copyright the who site even though the site is running with MediaWiki
[19:40:50] <crichins>	It is great product by the way.. Keep up the good work.. So used to using html but I spend more time designing the site with the code and getting things to layout the way I want them rather then writing my stuff.
[19:42:25] <enhydra>	crichins, to change the licensing of your project, you may edit MediaWiki:copyright page of your wiki, after it will be installed
[19:42:56] <enhydra>	for more guarantee, you can search Special:Allmessages for other GFDL mentionings (there shouldn't be, but who knows...)
[19:43:38] <crichins>	Ok that works. Then I will put in a link and give Wikipedia Foundation credit for such great software...
[19:43:59] <crichins>	And spread the word about MediaWiki
[19:57:48] <Ganon>	hello
[19:59:16] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28521 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: * Typo in comment
[20:00:34] <Ganon>	anywhere know if it's posible not distinguish capital letter and mynuscule in the sech and the internal links ?
[20:00:51] <Ganon>	serch*
[20:02:17] <Ganon>	minuscule*
[20:03:17] <crichins>	Trying to find Variables $1, $2, $3, $4, etc.. Anyone know where they are defined or what they are? 
[20:04:37] <crichins>	This if from Special:Allmessages
[20:04:50] <Ganon>	crichins, to me?
[20:05:40] <Nikerabbit>	crichins: which message?
[20:05:45] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28522 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialResetpass.php: * E_STRICT
[20:05:50] <Ganon>	ok, no to me :P
[20:05:53] <crichins>	No, sorry was posting a question... Should have specified.. << Needs swift kick in but... Lol
[20:05:55] <Ganon>	not*
[20:07:28] <crichins>	copyright, copyrightwarning, and copyrightwarning2
[20:08:04] <crichins>	Don't understand the declaration Content is available under $1.
[20:08:05] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28523 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Small tweak to extension export
[20:08:08] <Nikerabbit>	license and license page
[20:10:47] <crichins>	That is confusing because of all the other declarations elsewhere in Special:Allmessages. Was thinking it was a global declaration somewhere.
[20:11:34] <Skizzerz>	crichins: $1 is defined in a different MediaWiki message
[20:12:03] <crichins>	Trying to find it
[20:12:18] <Skizzerz>	MediaWiki:License or something like that IIRC
[20:13:01] <crichins>	Just so I can understand the flow
[20:21:19] <max_>	hello
[20:21:32] <Skizzerz>	hi
[20:22:14] <max_>	i want to write a script with which i can login in wiki without using the logon form of wiki
[20:22:39] <Skizzerz>	ok, there's a few ways to go about doing that
[20:22:48] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28524 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialNewpages.php): 
[20:22:48] <CIA-38>	* Cleaned up the code, and fixed the following bugs:
[20:22:48] <CIA-38>	* (bug 12283) Special:Newpages forgets parameters
[20:22:49] <CIA-38>	* (bug 12031) All namespaces doesn't work in Special:Newpages
[20:23:16] <Skizzerz>	although the API is probably the safest to use
[20:23:24] <Skizzerz>	!api | max_ 
[20:23:24] <mwbot>	max_ : The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[20:23:25] <max_>	k
[20:24:48] <max_>	wait a minute i want to show you what i have done
[20:25:15] <Dvyjones>	Just don't paste on the channel
[20:26:02] <max_>	but i must look for it
[20:27:08] <max_>	<?php
[20:27:10] <max_>	$username_root = "admin";
[20:27:12] <max_>	$password_root = "test";
[20:27:13] <max_>	$_GET['lgname']	= $username_root;
[20:27:15] <max_>	$_GET['lgpassword']	= $password_root;
[20:27:16] <max_>	$_GET['action']	= "login";
[20:27:18] <max_>	require("api.php?api.php?action=login&lgname=".$username_root."&lgpassword=".$password_root);
[20:27:19] <max_>	?>
[20:27:21] <max_>	I have the passowrd and the username. I should become part of a script
[20:27:26] <max_>	<?php
[20:27:28] <max_>	$username_root = "admin";
[20:27:30] <max_>	$password_root = "test";
[20:27:31] <max_>	require("api.php?api.php?action=login&lgname=".$username_root."&lgpassword=".$password_root);
[20:27:32] <max_>	?>
[20:27:35] <Skizzerz>	max_: use a pastebin
[20:28:05] <Skizzerz>	http://rafb.net/paste
[20:28:16] <Dvyjones>	max: You cant use get variables on require (?action=......)
[20:28:58] <max_>	what can i do?
[20:29:11] <Ganon>	anywhere know if it's posible not distinguish capital letter and lower-case in the serch and the internal links?
[20:29:33] <max_>	http://rafb.net/p/EhzBXz16.html
[20:29:40] <Dvyjones>	max_: cURL might be an idea
[20:30:18] <valentine_chn>	um... how do i Special:Export/Image ?
[20:31:39] <max_>	@Dvyjones: i cannot install plugins on the server for php
[20:32:36] <Dvyjones>	Anyway, you need to save the cookie
[20:33:13] <Dvyjones>	And $_GET['lgname'] = $username_root; Should work if you use require
[20:35:41] <max_>	no, it doesn't work
[20:36:26] <Dvyjones>	max_: Are you waiting for it to return the wiki, as you would see it on index.php?
[20:36:59] <max_>	the script should become a part of a big script which log you in different systems. 
[20:37:01] <max_>	One of these systems is a wiki. But the user should not notice that he logs in different systems.
[20:37:44] <max_>	the code is only a small part of a script. it should only login the user. and maybe write the cookie
[20:39:12] <max_>	Do you understand what I want to say?
[20:39:41] <Dvyjones>	Aah
[20:40:14] <Dvyjones>	So you want a central login to login to several system, like a wiki, a forum++?
[20:40:26] <Dvyjones>	I just need to have a look at the code then...
[20:40:35] <max_>	exactly
[20:41:00] <Dvyjones>	You use 1.11.0, right?
[20:42:57] <max_>	where can i find it?
[20:42:59] <BlaenkDenum>	does mediawiki have some sort of built in caching utility, I can't seem to get this to work
[20:47:48] <max_>	i have 1.11
[20:48:25] <Ryan_Lane>	BlaenkDenum: it does it for you automatically. unless you specifically turn it off, mediawiki is caching
[20:48:37] <BlaenkDenum>	Ryan_Lane: how can I flush it or something?
[20:49:00] <max_>	until now i have no more code for my script but i have the username and the password
[20:49:16] <Ryan_Lane>	!mwbot caching
[20:49:16] <mwbot>	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot, you can find all my source code at http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn
[20:49:31] <Ryan_Lane>	!caching
[20:49:42] <Dvyjones>	!caching
[20:49:56] <Skizzerz>	it doesn't exist
[20:50:02] <Ryan_Lane>	!cache
[20:50:08] *Ryan_Lane 	mumbles
[20:50:09] <Dvyjones>	@search cache
[20:50:09] <mwbot>	Results: [purge, refresh]
[20:50:23] <valentine_chn>	Hello... anyone have time with "How do i Export Image" ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export/Image:Latin_alphabet_Aa.svg
[20:50:26] <Ryan_Lane>	!purge | BlaenkDenum 
[20:50:26] <mwbot>	BlaenkDenum : To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[20:50:30] <max_>	@Dvyjones: can you help me?
[20:50:40] <BlaenkDenum>	thanks Ryan_Lane 
[20:50:44] <Ryan_Lane>	n/p
[20:50:56] <valentine_chn>	@search export
[20:50:56] <mwbot>	Results: [export, import]
[20:51:15] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28525 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/DeletedContributions_body.php: * Whitespace between label and field
[20:51:43] <valentine_chn>	@search image export
[20:51:43] <mwbot>	Results: []
[20:51:49] <valentine_chn>	@search image
[20:51:49] <mwbot>	Results: [externalimages, imagemap, images, logo, safemode, svg, thumb, uploads]
[20:52:20] <Dvyjones>	max_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AuthDrupal
[20:52:26] <Skizzerz>	valentine_chn: you can't use Special:Export to export images, just save them to your disk normally and upload them on the new wiki
[20:52:40] <Dvyjones>	See that code
[20:53:06] <Dvyjones>	It is made to use Drupal as a login system, but I think you'll get the basics
[20:53:17] <valentine_chn>	Skizzerz: :( too bad...
[20:54:57] <max_>	is there maybe a extensions for typo3 to login?
[20:57:26] <max_>	or do you know another solution, because i don't want to edit too much at the wiki code?
[21:02:04] <max_>	is there anybody?
[21:02:13] <Dvyjones>	I think i found something
[21:02:21] <max_>	cool
[21:02:47] <max_>	What?
[21:09:46] <libertad>	bonjour
[21:09:53] <libertad>	Excusez-moi
[21:10:06] <libertad>	I am trying install a wikipedia-es localy
[21:10:22] <libertad>	I have installed mediawiki
[21:10:34] <libertad>	How I could import wikipedia content and images?
[21:10:44] <max_>	Dvyjones, what did you find?
[21:11:49] <Ganon>	anywhere know if it's posible not distinguish capital letter and lower-case in the search and the internal links?
[21:13:07] <Duesentrieb>	Ganon: the "search" search is case-insensitive, the "go" search is case-sensitive (but falls back to "search" search if nothing is found). Links are always case sensitive (except for the first letter). 
[21:13:32] <libertad>	Someone know how import wikipedia spanish from mediawiki
[21:13:52] <Duesentrieb>	libertad: download a wikipedia xml dump and use importDump.php to import it. no image dump is currently provided (it's simply too large for many projects), and there are licensing issues.
[21:14:40] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: and the images?
[21:14:53] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: How is the url downloads?
[21:15:01] <Duesentrieb>	http://download.wikipedia.org/eswiki/20071202/
[21:15:06] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: How much time?
[21:15:06] <Duesentrieb>	you want "pages-articles.xml.bz2"
[21:15:14] <Duesentrieb>	how much time? for what?
[21:15:24] <Duesentrieb>	no idea how big es is. or how fast your computer is.
[21:15:28] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: for the import
[21:15:39] <Duesentrieb>	importing the english wikipedia can take a day or two... 
[21:15:46] <Ganon>	Duesentrieb, but if I "search" caCa isn't de same if I "go" to Caca
[21:15:48] <Duesentrieb>	you can use mwdumper as an alternative, it's faster
[21:15:50] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: wich is the images file import?
[21:15:51] <Duesentrieb>	!mwdumper
[21:15:51] <mwbot>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwdumper
[21:16:42] <Duesentrieb>	Ganon: yes, it's not the same. that's why there are two buttons. but it should *list* the right page in either case. but it will only go there directly if it's an exact match.
[21:17:24] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: Excuseme, And How I could import the image files?
[21:17:26] <Duesentrieb>	libertad: there is no image file import. as i said, it's imply to large in the case of many projects. enwiki would be a terrabyte or so of images. eswiki less, but still to much.
[21:17:50] <Duesentrieb>	there was a proposal to partially solve this for images in wikimedia commons - but it's only a proposal
[21:17:54] <Duesentrieb>	!instantcommons
[21:17:54] <mwbot>	InstantCommons is a proposed feature for MediaWiki to allow any MediaWiki installation to use media on the Wikimedia Commons. However, several issues (some legal) need to be worked out, and it is only a proposal. See < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/InstantCommons >.
[21:17:57] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: But I only need the thumb articles pictures
[21:18:28] <Nikerabbit>	err, can page be both redirect and template at the same time?
[21:18:29] <Duesentrieb>	libertad: but then there would be noc license info or metadata... which is a problem
[21:18:44] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: hm? sure. a template redirect even works as an alias.
[21:19:00] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: remember that any page can be used as a template anyway
[21:19:10] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: mmm ok
[21:19:14] <max_>	Dvyjones????
[21:19:49] <Duesentrieb>	libertad: maybe you want this? http://static.wikipedia.org/downloads/September_2007/es/
[21:20:02] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: thanks
[21:20:03] <Duesentrieb>	libertad: it's a static html dump of eswiki, including thumbnail images (i think)
[21:21:02] <libertad>	Duesentrieb: I don´t need the static html dump, I need import from mediawiki for enabled the searchs
[21:21:11] <Ganon>	Duesentrieb, isn't posible to extend the same with the first letter to all title? if I "go" to caca it's the same that Caca (if the artícule exist)
[21:21:34] <Ganon>	articule*
[21:21:46] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[21:22:05] <Ganon>	:(
[21:22:25] <libertad>	bye
[21:22:44] <Ganon>	Duesentrieb, haven't any form? I'm very interesting in this cuestion
[21:22:59] <Duesentrieb>	any form? what?
[21:23:14] <Ganon>	m... my english is very bad XD
[21:24:46] <Ganon>	Duesentrieb, haven't any way? It's "imposible" ?
[21:25:12] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[21:25:18] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28526 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:25:18] <CIA-38>	* Escape all output
[21:25:18] <CIA-38>	* Use semicolon-separator
[21:26:04] <Duesentrieb>	Ganon: everything is possible if you write it :) but the point in case is: with the current database setup, it would be inefficient. which is probably the reason it is not done.
[21:26:46] <Duesentrieb>	Ganon: see http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3562 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8721
[21:27:36] <Ganon>	oki
[21:27:54] <Duesentrieb>	note the nice contradiction with http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10978
[21:28:51] <Duesentrieb>	Ganon: on the database level, there is a full text index, which is case-insensitive, and there is the list of page titles, which is case sensitive.
[21:31:13] <CIA-38>	03nikerabbit * r28527 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUnusedimages.php: * Escape all output: (bug 12063) MediaWiki:Unusedimagestext is not wikified
[21:32:00] <Ganon>	oki Duesentrieb, I am trying to understand you, thanks for all :)
[21:40:14] <strategy>	anyone here installed mediawiki on a godaddy server?
[21:40:54] <Skizzerz_Away>	strategy: I haven't personally, but I know someone that has, so it's possible
[21:40:59] <strategy>	hm
[21:41:12] <strategy>	i'm getting a database error
[21:41:54] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: providing a concrete error message is generally more likely to get you an answer than any question that contains "anyone".
[21:42:03] <strategy>	sorry
[21:42:50] <Duesentrieb>	http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc is a good read (really - not meant to shut you up)
[21:43:17] <strategy>	i'm getting a "key too large (max size is 1024 bytes)" error when i install, ver is 1.6.10(don't know if godaddy has php5), is there a workaround/fix to this? problem occors on the first database query
[21:44:24] <Duesentrieb>	i remember that one... it happens only with one specific version of mysql, i think - it's a bug where key length is calculated with respect to the wrong encoding...
[21:45:01] <Duesentrieb>	you can truncate the keys in the table definition, or increase may key length in hte mysql setup. but i don't remember the details
[21:45:08] <strategy>	can 1.6.10 use MySQL5?
[21:45:17] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, find out if they have php5 - using the latest version generally helps :)
[21:45:24] <strategy>	okay
[21:45:26] <twincest>	strategy: yes
[21:45:36] <strategy>	ah, i'll see if that can fix the problem
[21:45:38] <Duesentrieb>	i guess it can - but if you have php5, you don't need mw1.6
[21:45:49] <strategy>	yeah, i'll look into that
[21:46:08] <strategy>	i'd much rather use the latest version.. i have a friend who gets a bit TOO angry some times
[21:46:12] <twincest>	i think that error is because your database is default to UTF-8 encoding
[21:46:28] <twincest>	can you try to drop the wiki database, and recreate it: CREATE DATABASE wiki DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1; ?
[21:46:45] <strategy>	i'll see if i can
[21:46:54] <twincest>	(i don't remember if that fixes it, but if it does, it's probably the easiest way)
[21:46:57] <Duesentrieb>	twincest: wasn't the cause of this error a bug in mysql that cause it to always use the global default charset when determining key size?
[21:47:17] <Duesentrieb>	or was it only ignoring the per-table / field charset, and looking at the per-db one?
[21:47:17] <twincest>	Duesentrieb: oh, hm.  i thought mysql denied it was a bug.  but i never saw the error myself, so i didn't follow it closely..
[21:47:27] <Duesentrieb>	same here...
[21:47:46] <Duesentrieb>	i only know a lot of people complained about it about a year ago or so
[21:50:32] <Skizzerz_Away>	strategy: godaddy does have php5 IIRC (sorry if this is a bit late)
[21:50:38] <strategy>	ah ok
[21:50:49] <twincest>	do they need .php5 rather than .php for it?
[21:50:52] <strategy>	would upgrading fix my problem? <-- sorry if dumb question/unanswerable
[21:50:56] <strategy>	yeah, its the .php5 thing
[21:51:02] <strategy>	which mediawiki has a fix for, luckily :D
[21:51:03] <twincest>	yes, mediawiki in later versions has a workaround for this mysql issue
[21:51:06] <twincest>	(i think)
[21:51:12] <strategy>	wute
[21:51:24] <twincest>	it also has a 'mysql 5 schema', but don't use that.  use the backward-compatible option
[21:51:33] <strategy>	ok
[21:52:03] <strategy>	so i should use MySQL 4.1 and PHP 5 and MediaWIki 1.11.0 ?
[21:52:11] <twincest>	no, mysql5 will work fine
[21:52:18] <twincest>	just don't select the mysql 5 schema option when you install mediawiki
[21:53:09] <strategy>	ok
[21:55:00] <strategy>	which would work better? mysql 4, mysql5, or doesnt matteR?
[21:55:36] <Duesentrieb>	doesn't really matter for mediawiki
[21:55:46] <Duesentrieb>	generally, mysql5 has a lot of nice features
[21:55:51] <Duesentrieb>	(real transactions, views, etc)
[21:55:55] <strategy>	ok
[21:56:03] <strategy>	is 4.1 faster?
[21:56:14] <Duesentrieb>	not in general
[21:56:15] <CIA-38>	03tlaqua * r28528 10/trunk/extensions/phpbbData/ (3 files): 
[21:56:15] <CIA-38>	* Added hook_ files for phpBB3 integration (Return to Wiki links)
[21:56:15] <CIA-38>	* Modified #phpbblink function to add a returnTo argument in the query string
[21:56:17] <strategy>	well, im going with 5.0 because of the problem with 4.1
[21:56:18] <Duesentrieb>	for some things, maybe
[21:56:39] <Duesentrieb>	i think the problem is fixed in mysql 5 - but i'm not sure.
[21:56:43] <strategy>	ok
[21:56:45] <Grondin>	hi, I've submited a bug report about include/Title.php
[21:56:47] <Grondin>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12314
[21:56:54] <Duesentrieb>	but as twincest said, mw now has a workaround (hopefully)
[21:57:05] <strategy>	ok
[21:57:07] <Grondin>	The problem is about protecting title 
[21:57:14] <twincest>	Duesentrieb: hey, 3.23 had real transactions
[21:57:17] <twincest>	it just had no other features ;-D
[21:57:25] <strategy>	ok, thanks all
[21:57:39] <strategy>	you've all been a great help. great software, great support, and... well.. wikipedia =D
[21:57:48] <Duesentrieb>	Grondin: have you run the update script after your last update from svn?
[21:57:59] <Duesentrieb>	and have you checked the *latest* revision? maybe it has been fixed=?
[21:58:07] <Grondin>	yes
[21:58:27] <Duesentrieb>	Grondin: so there's probaly something missing from the updater :)
[21:58:42] <Grondin>	I've updated this morning from svn
[21:58:53] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, it's the development version. it'll get taken care of in time i guess. thanks for reporting it
[21:58:55] <Grondin>	and I've discovered this problem. 
[21:59:25] <Grondin>	I've tested my patch before submitted it on bugzilla
[21:59:51] *Skizzerz_Away 	pokes the bot that's supposed to notify this channel of changes to bugzilla bugs
[21:59:57] <Duesentrieb>	Grondin: add the "needs-revie" keyword
[22:00:09] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: cia has been broken for days
[22:00:25] *Skizzerz_Away 	thought CIA just did SVN changes... meh
[22:00:31] <Grondin>	Duesentrieb, done
[22:01:50] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: oh, yes, you are right :) so... the wikibugs bot is broken too. too bad :)
[22:02:02] <Skizzerz_Away>	:(
[22:02:21] <Skizzerz_Away>	at least 1/3 of our bots work xD
[22:02:27] <strategy>	xP
[22:02:29] <Duesentrieb>	Grondin: if you are impatient, look who introduced the broken code, and contact him
[22:02:30] <TimLaqua>	CIA's working
[22:02:34] <TimLaqua>	is mwbot busted?
[22:02:35] <Skizzerz_Away>	ok 2/3
[22:02:38] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: is it?
[22:02:46] <Duesentrieb>	ah, yea, i see
[22:02:48] <Skizzerz_Away>	except I can't get alias to work w/ mwbot
[22:02:50] <TimLaqua>	I just committed like 10 minutes ago
[22:02:56] <TimLaqua>	scroll up
[22:03:12] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: hm? !foo alias bar
[22:03:26] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: yes, saw it. nice to have it back
[22:03:30] *Duesentrieb 	tickles CIA-38
[22:03:30] <Skizzerz_Away>	I tried that... it just wasn't working
[22:03:31] *TimLaqua 	pets mwbot
[22:03:37] <Skizzerz_Away>	!bar
[22:03:44] <TimLaqua>	!besmart
[22:03:48] *TimLaqua 	shrugs
[22:03:55] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: hm? where did you try?
[22:04:03] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz_Away: mwbot does not support private messages :)
[22:04:07] <Skizzerz_Away>	on #mwbot
[22:04:10] <BlaenkDenum>	cia still works in #commits
[22:04:13] *strategy 	cries
[22:04:21] <strategy>	godaddy apparently doesnt have php5 :/
[22:05:29] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: throw eggs at them
[22:05:35] <strategy>	i've done so before =)
[22:05:40] <TimLaqua>	strategy: they do
[22:05:51] <strategy>	TimLaqua, not for me i guess
[22:05:53] <TimLaqua>	strategy: you have to change the handler for .php
[22:05:58] <strategy>	i have to upgrade to some wierd thing
[22:06:04] <strategy>	it doesnt even like .php5
[22:06:06] <strategy>	thinks its like a text file
[22:06:34] <TimLaqua>	strategy: i've got a few sites on the econo linux hosting from godaddy
[22:06:36] <TimLaqua>	works fine.
[22:06:57] <strategy>	=(
[22:07:43] <strategy>	i need to upgrade to some new thing
[22:08:03] <strategy>	and it might take "24 hours"
[22:08:07] <strategy>	which in godaddy time is 2-3 weeks
[22:09:22] <Grondin>	Werdna ?
[22:11:34] <strategy>	ok, now im going to try to install it on my sf.net page :/
[22:12:00] <strategy>	i tried with 1.6.10, and it keeps telling me that i need to make the config directory writable by everyone
[22:12:10] <strategy>	its like a+wrx for everything
[22:15:11] <Aeroraptor>	Is there some special syntax for putting references at the bottom of a page, without having them appear in the contents? 
[22:16:38] <strategy>	uh.. what?
[22:16:51] <Duesentrieb>	!cite | Aeroraptor
[22:16:51] <mwbot>	Aeroraptor: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[22:17:18] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: sf.net is particularly nasty. search for howtos on mediawiki.org
[22:17:23] <Aeroraptor>	thanks
[22:17:26] <strategy>	Duesentrieb, ok thanks
[22:17:29] <strategy>	i hate sf.net
[22:17:37] <Duesentrieb>	don't we all?
[22:17:42] <strategy>	yep
[22:17:57] <strategy>	but, it's pretty much the only free project management system
[22:18:09] <strategy>	if i could, i'd use mediawiki for it XD
[22:22:28] <Aeroraptor>	where can you get Cite.php other than the svn?
[22:22:57] <Duesentrieb>	!bundels
[22:23:02] <Duesentrieb>	!bundles
[22:23:02] <mwbot>	unofficial bundles of extensions are at <http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/>. Note that these are random snapshots and may contain a completely broken version of the extension.
[22:29:35] <strategy>	does mediawiki need DROP/CREATE/ALTER/INDEX/LOOK/LOCK TABLES?
[22:29:48] <strategy>	ah nvm
[22:30:01] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: can you decide the faith of http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6702 ?
[22:33:04] <strategy>	wow, it seems to be installing. dont want to jinx it, but this might actually work :D
[22:34:41] <Duesentrieb>	on sf.net?
[22:34:48] <Duesentrieb>	prepare for session issues...
[22:36:07] <strategy>	dang
[22:37:01] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Sourceforge.net
[22:37:13] <Duesentrieb>	especially http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Sourceforge.net#Sessions
[22:37:21] <Duesentrieb>	(no i have not tried this)
[22:40:11] <strategy>	dangit
[22:40:17] <strategy>	yeah, followed that and it worked great
[22:40:23] <strategy>	getting session issues though, as you predicted
[22:40:40] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[22:44:48] <strategy>	doesnt work, cant access /tmp/persistent/
[22:48:51] <strategy>	ah crap
[22:48:58] <strategy>	session issues make it so i cant edit pages =(
[22:48:59] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: use some dir you *can* access 
[22:49:16] <Duesentrieb>	but outside the webspace
[22:49:20] <strategy>	Duesentrieb, it's on a server farm, so it wont be accessable form anywhere
[22:49:28] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[22:49:32] <strategy>	made a folder in /tmp/ , but it's deleted
[22:49:38] <strategy>	because i was on a different server
[22:49:56] <Duesentrieb>	find out wich dirs are shared between servers
[22:50:08] <Duesentrieb>	the web root obviously is, but you don't want session data there.
[22:50:15] <strategy>	yeah
[22:50:21] <strategy>	maybe my home directory
[22:50:28] <Duesentrieb>	chances are good
[22:50:38] <Duesentrieb>	if it works, please update the page on mediawiki.org
[22:51:19] <strategy>	okay
[22:53:22] <strategy>	appears to be working
[22:53:43] <strategy>	success!
[23:00:16] <strategy>	edited
[23:02:18] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: thanks. although... "with the same <tt>session_save_path("/tmp/persistent/PROJECT_UNIX_NAME/sessions");</tt> line"... sure?
[23:02:20] <Simetrical>	[071215 17:30:15] <Nikerabbit> Simetrical: can you decide the faith of http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6702 ? <-- What do you mean?  I agree with a fair number of the changes, some of the interface messages are lousy, that's why I offered to review it if I didn't have to apply it myself.
[23:02:25] <Duesentrieb>	wouldn't you have to use your other path?
[23:02:30] <strategy>	oops =p
[23:02:49] <strategy>	this is why you dont let dumb people near wikis XD
[23:02:57] <Simetrical>	Although maybe I would want to adjust it so much that it would be pointless to get someone else to merge it.
[23:03:00] <Simetrical>	s/wikis/software/
[23:03:45] <strategy>	lol
[23:05:37] <Nikerabbit>	Simetrical: it's clear that new patch aint coming if nobody does it
[23:06:05] <Simetrical>	Nikerabbit, meh, I guess I'm not . . . committed enough to commit it myself.  But it's a legitimate suggestion on the whole.
[23:06:16] <Simetrical>	Although lots of the enwiki messages are way too wordy, mind.
[23:06:31] <MZMcBride>	are bugzilla keywords comma-delimited?
[23:07:14] *Werdna 	waves
[23:08:47] <minute>	MZMcBride: yes
[23:08:54] <MZMcBride>	gracias
[23:09:05] <slavie>	If one did {{#if:true|true: foo |false: {{#ifexist:}}}}, would the {{#ifexist}} be checked or skipped by the parser?
[23:09:07] <MZMcBride>	seems the IRC reporter isn't working....
[23:09:22] <MZMcBride>	slavie: depends on which parser, i believe
[23:09:49] <MZMcBride>	the new one (re-done by Tim) wouldn't follow the else text
[23:09:56] <slavie>	Whee.
[23:10:02] <MZMcBride>	though i'm not sure which one is currently active
[23:10:05] <slavie>	When is that to be implemented?
[23:10:15] <crichins>	Anyone know of a good place for MeidiaWiki Skins besides meta.wikimedia.org site?
[23:10:46] <MZMcBride>	slavie: it's been turned on a couple of times; caused a pretty nasty bug the first time, and each subsequent time it's been reverted, as far as i know
[23:11:14] <slavie>	Meh. How about the pre-Timparser parser?
[23:11:32] <MZMcBride>	crichins: http://www.google.com/search?q=mediawiki+skins&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t
[23:12:02] <MZMcBride>	the pre-Tim parser would follow everything as i understand it
[23:12:56] <slavie>	So, for example, 30 {{#if}} statements in an else-false would use just as many server resources as 30 in an if-true ?
[23:13:03] <minute>	Tim actually wrote both the parsers ;)
[23:13:25] <minute>	afaik
[23:13:41] <MZMcBride>	minute: you and pathos both know what i mean :)
[23:13:50] <minute>	yeah, fair enough
[23:13:50] <slavie>	:p
[23:14:36] <MZMcBride>	as i understand it, with the new parser, both #if and #ifeq have been fixed so that when they're parsed, the untrue stuff isn't "processed"
[23:14:57] <MZMcBride>	though, honestly, some else reading this right now could probably answer better than i can
[23:15:07] *MZMcBride 	waits for someone to jump in
[23:16:00] <crichins>	Already Searched Google but didn't find what looking for... Looking for all skins in a central resrouces so I can compare.
[23:16:22] <slavie>	Templates used in this preview:    * Template:Doiftrue    * Template:Doiffalse 
[23:16:28] <slavie>	MZMcBride: Yep. 
[23:16:37] <MZMcBride>	!skins | crichins 
[23:16:37] <mwbot>	crichins : Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[23:17:03] <Duesentrieb>	crichins: there i no central resource. i have told abotu 100 people on this channel before: make one, get rich.
[23:17:04] <Werdna>	we're not talking about a new parser
[23:17:08] <Werdna>	it's a new preprocessor.
[23:17:18] <crichins>	Might just have to do that...
[23:17:22] <MZMcBride>	isn't it named Parser.php?
[23:17:43] <MZMcBride>	crichins: you're free to use mediawiki.org...
[23:18:15] <crichins>	cool
[23:18:19] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: correct. but, except the preprocessor, it's identical to the existing one.
[23:18:35] <MZMcBride>	meh, bastard file names
[23:19:09] <MZMcBride>	Werdna: is isn't live though, right?
[23:19:33] <Werdna>	not at the moment. There were a few backwards-compatibility issues, so Tim's disabled it for now.
[23:19:39] <slavie>	Werdna: So implementing the new preprocessor will have no effect on whether unused {{#if}} blocks are parsed?
[23:19:49] <Werdna>	That's by several-day-old knowledge, anyway
[23:19:55] <Werdna>	slavie: actually, it will.
[23:19:57] <MZMcBride>	that's what i thought; i think it's gone live three or four times
[23:20:01] <slavie>	:D
[23:20:36] <MZMcBride>	the first time was the UNIQ drama
[23:20:50] <minute>	amfr8byt
[23:20:53] <Werdna>	s/drama/issue/
[23:21:10] <MZMcBride>	heh, whichever
[23:21:18] <Werdna>	developers don't have drama, that's for wikis.
[23:21:27] <minute>	man
[23:21:34] <minute>	I jsut typed my password into IRC.
[23:21:43] <MZMcBride>	haha
[23:22:19] <MZMcBride>	devs can certainly cause drama on-wiki....
[23:22:38] <MZMcBride>	we're up to four pages just regarding rollback, plus VPT :)
[23:22:52] *Werdna 	rolleyes
[23:22:56] <Werdna>	that wasn't developer drama.
[23:23:11] <Werdna>	That was me misjudging something, and accidentally hitting a raw nerve.
[23:23:16] <MZMcBride>	agreed
[23:32:41] <LC-Stratics>	A general question: Where do I read up on having more than one language versions for the same pages in the same wiki? (is that even possible?)
[23:32:49] <crichins>	Trying to figure out how when I type [[Wikimedia:Debian]] for example, how does it know to redirect to en.wikimedia.org
[23:33:01] <crichins>	Anyone wanna explain?
[23:33:10] <Duesentrieb>	!interwiki | crichins
[23:33:10] <mwbot>	crichins: Interwiki links are links between wikis.  For instance, on Wiktionary, [[w:Article name]] or [[Wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article.  To set up interwiki links, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Guide_for_system_administrators_for_setting_up_interwiki_linking> as well as <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki>
[23:33:37] <danopia>	why isn't +t set here?
[23:33:46] <MZMcBride>	by the way, there's no en.wikimedia.org
[23:34:06] <MZMcBride>	danopia: because the topic will be changed when it's appropriate
[23:34:34] <MZMcBride>	LC-Stratics: there are different options for dividing pages between languages
[23:34:48] <MZMcBride>	when option is to add a suffix like "Main Page/es"
[23:35:20] <MZMcBride>	other option is sub-domains like en.website.org; a third option could be mediawiki namespaces "Español:Primera parte"
[23:36:33] <LC-Stratics>	Does there exist a way for for instance a user to set language preference in their options and then see every page in that language?
[23:36:48] <crichins>	For got to say thanks
[23:36:53] <Werdna>	I think there's an extension
[23:37:56] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AutoLanguage ?
[23:38:14] <Werdna>	probably
[23:38:32] <Duesentrieb>	also PolyGlot, MultiLang, LanguageSelector, and probably a few more
[23:38:41] <Duesentrieb>	Polyglot, actually
[23:38:48] <MZMcBride>	yeah, LC-Stratics, check out: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[23:42:11] <LC-Stratics>	Thanks, been looking for that list for a while now
[23:42:24] <LC-Stratics>	And thank you for the suggestions, I'll look them up and see what works
[23:46:30] <minute>	What is wrong with: {{#ifexpr: {{{1}}}<0 | {{#expr:{{{1}}} * -1}}°S | {{{1}}}°N }} ?
[23:49:08] <MZMcBride>	hmm... looks fine to me; did you try removing the ËšS and ËšN?
[23:49:29] <minute>	no, let me see
[23:49:59] <minute>	nope, thanks anyway
[23:51:26] <minute>	hmm
[23:51:29] <minute>	"Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "{""
[23:51:41] <minute>	looks like it isn't expanding the template parameters
[23:51:50] <MZMcBride>	it is having a problem on the template page or in actual transclusion?
[23:51:58] <minute>	both
[23:55:07] <multichil>	Hi people, in which table is the actual image location stored? Cant seem to find it. I'm looking for something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Mvc-563s.jpg
[23:55:46] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[23:56:25] <Werdna>	But it isn't, of course, stored there
[23:56:45] <Werdna>	it's not stored anyway.. just generated
[23:56:46] <Werdna>	afaik
[23:57:21] <MZMcBride>	minute: that template syntax should work
[23:57:23] <MZMcBride>	it works for me
[23:57:27] <minute>	mmh
[23:57:32] <MZMcBride>	http://pruebita.com/wiki/Main_Page
[23:58:10] <minute>	hmm thanks
[23:58:16] <minute>	i will have to debug further