[00:06:04] amidaniel, last wikibugs message was on the 11th, I think. [00:06:14] *Simetrical gives it its last rites [00:06:39] aha, i see :) [00:06:54] Poor wikibugs .. he was a good bot [00:07:33] he's dead for good? [00:07:55] *Skizzerz writes a letter to Santa... "all I want for xmas is for wikibots to start working again" [00:08:06] TimLaqua, probably not for good. [00:08:10] *wikibugs [00:08:18] is wikibugs a toolserver bot? [00:08:38] No, I don't think so. [00:08:58] It might even predate the toolserver. [00:09:13] mchenry.wikimedia.org [00:10:46] don't see anything about the bot on there [00:12:15] TimLaqua, that's its hostname. [00:12:34] ah [00:33:05] i'm too blind today - where can i find 
 handling?
[00:34:13] 	wikibugs isn't probably dead, just stucked, let me check
[00:37:05] 	03(mod) Provide wiki text FCKeditor as an extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10731  (10danny_b)
[00:37:19] 	yep, it was stucked. it will run now
[00:37:35] 	How did you fix it?
[00:37:49] 	
 handling is in Parser.php.
[00:39:20] 	Simetrical: mail delivery was disabled.
[00:39:28] 	thanks for directions
[00:39:38] 	What mail delivery, and how did you re-enable it?
[00:48:53] 	Danny_B: I thought the fredck guy was working on something in svn already?
[00:49:19] 	TimLaqua: pardon me?
[00:49:56] 	oop, I thought you were the reporter on 10731  ;-)
[00:53:16] 	TimLaqua: nope, just done some dummy edit in bugzilla to test wikibugs
[00:53:26] 	speaking of, is anyone actively working on the fckeditor extension?  it looks like fredck just committed once and then wandered off
[01:05:02] 	Would this be the correct place to ask an editing/markup question?
[01:06:11] 	sure
[01:06:19] 	thank you.
[01:06:30] 	just ask :)
[01:06:52] 	I'm trying to figure out how to adjust :link :hover, etc.. link controls for tables with dark backgrounds.
[01:07:48] 	you need to edit either the common or skin CSS messages (common one is at MediaWiki:Common.css, for instance)
[01:07:49] 	Eleazaros, use CSS, in MediaWiki:Common.css or MediaWiki:Skinname.css.
[01:08:23] 	so it will require an admin to get into the CSS files to have this made available?
[01:08:39] 	I'm just adding content information to a MediaWiki server as a user.
[01:09:31] 	yes, it requires you to be a sysop
[01:10:09] 	although if the wiki has enabled user css, you can add it to User:yourname/skinname.css for it to apply to you personally
[01:10:58] 	thanks.  that part I found out about.  It's the blue links on black table backgrouns for all users that I have a problem with.
[01:11:15] 	yeah, bug a sysop about that :)
[01:11:47] 	lol -- the joy of trying to find a sysop...  Much appreciated hehe
[01:12:05] 	Eleazaros: go to Special:Listusers/sysop to see a whole list of them
[01:12:40] 	03(mod) Depopulate categories when deleting them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:12:48] 	\o/
[01:14:03] 	Thanks again for the information
[01:14:07] 	np
[01:26:32] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[01:27:11] 	howdy -- i'm using mediawiki1.7.1 from ubuntu repos and i'm trying to set it up so the urls are www.foobar.com/Main_Page and the like... 
[01:27:19] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki.example.com/Page_title--Subdomain_with_no_Subdirectory_in_Article_URL doesn't seem to work at all...
[01:27:37] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_Aliasing_method--Root_access doesn't work for logging in...
[01:28:41] 	does anybody have a good recipe for this?
[01:28:48] 	The wp system (w/ and wiki/ subdirs) is very simple and very stable
[01:29:16] 	anyone know a good diff/patch-making program?
[01:29:29] 	os?
[01:29:50] 	uh, windows 2000
[01:33:12] 	hmm... okay...
[01:35:17] 	03(NEW) Request for default revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12328 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (thomashlarsen.7)
[01:35:23] 	03(ASSIGNED)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  (10pyrios)
[01:37:06] 	03(mod)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  (10magnusrk+wiki)
[01:37:39] 	03(mod) Request for default revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12328  +comment (10redrocketboy)
[01:39:43] 	03(mod)  ParserFunctions insert a newline character before the returned result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10687  (10pyrios)
[01:43:20] 	evil... i never even knew that that permission existed
[01:44:04] 	In Special:Blockip, if you have the 'hideuser' permission, "Hide username/IP from the block log, active block list and user list"
[01:44:52] 	That's not an extension?
[01:45:25] 	Simetrical: no, I only stumbled upon it when browsing through SpecialBlockip.php trying to code http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8440
[01:45:37] 	*code a patch for
[01:45:40] 	Freaky.
[01:45:45] 	it's not even in defaultsettings.php...
[01:48:40] 	03(mod) Request for default revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12328  (10thomashlarsen.7)
[01:50:04] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  -easy ; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:53:44] 	03(mod) Request for default revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12328  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:00:25] 	14(INVALID) Request for default revisions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12328  +comment (10thomashlarsen.7)
[02:24:59] 	03(NEW) Turn on DidYouMean extension on en.wiktionary.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12329 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wikt.3.connelm)
[02:25:32] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  +comment (10t.laqua)
[02:46:29] 	Why are diff urls so long?
[02:46:50] 	There should be a link on a diff to provide a "short" url of the diff, along the lines of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?diff=prev&oldid=123456789
[02:47:10] 	[so maybe people would use it and there wouldn't be such page-widening problems]
[02:47:17] 	it seems user e-mail addresses in mediawiki are case-sensitive; can anyone verify?
[02:50:17] 	only to the extent that email addresses are case-sensitive on the internet at large
[02:50:23] 	(which they shouldn't be, according to the rfc)
[02:50:54] 	e-mail addresses are case sensitive on the internet? huh?
[02:51:45] 	no, they're not.
[02:51:52] 	they aren't
[02:51:56] 	in fact, all email addresses should be quoted as lowercase.
[02:52:08] 	yuh
[02:52:21] 	the problem is that if you're e-mail confirmed as "MZMcBride@whatever.com" and you change it to "mzmcbride@whatever.com", it resends the confirmation e-mail i believe
[02:53:18] 	meh.
[02:55:10] 	yeah, it does it on 1.11
[02:55:16] 	bug-worthy?
[02:55:23] 	I'll just do it now..
[02:55:31] 	:)
[03:17:03] 	03(mod) Page move doesn't update category link sort keys - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1119  (10gangleri)
[03:17:53] 	03(mod) Page move doesn't update category link sort keys - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1119  (10gangleri)
[03:31:03] 	03(mod)  Loading a special page fails when the option read is set to false for anonymous users . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11668  +comment (10bugzilla)
[03:45:25] 	03shinjiman * r28577 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[03:45:25] 	* Update Chinese translations
[03:45:25] 	* Update Cantonese translations
[03:45:25] 	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[03:50:09] 	03aaron * r28578 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/Language/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.en.php: Remove unused message
[03:51:16] 	what kind of wiki2html converter you recommend?
[04:01:43] 	03aaron * r28579 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): 
[04:01:43] 	* Add diff-to-stable link to diffs
[04:01:43] 	* Add watch checkbox to stabilization page
[04:03:07] *Werdna 	eats AaronSchulz 
[04:06:56] *Skizzerz 	is a nub at this... anyway, what's a good utility for creating diff/patch files?
[04:07:14] 	svn diff // diff -u
[04:07:29] 	uh, ok... I'll look into those
[04:07:47] 	what are you trying to make a diff of?
[04:07:55] 	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8440
[04:09:04] 	I added in a check box to blockip that allows you to prevent a user from editing their talk page even if $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit = true
[04:09:25] 	eek, schema change?
[04:09:45] 	actually, it didn't take that much fussing around...
[04:10:04] 	how did you do it?
[04:10:08] 	just minor edits to User.php, SpecialBlockip.php, and Block.php
[04:10:30] 	(and a new field in the ipblocks table)
[04:10:42] 	yees, a schema change
[04:11:02] 	it works well though :)
[04:11:08] 	I'm sure it does
[04:11:12] 	it's a question of application.
[04:11:15] 	true
[04:11:53] 	but should I submit the patch or leave it unanswered, considering your reserves about it?
[04:12:06] 	sure, submit it
[04:12:10] 	k :)
[04:12:12] 	talk it over with brion and tim
[04:12:35] 	(you need the approval of one or both to push through a schema change)
[04:12:48] 	anyway, did you make the changes to svn trunk?
[04:12:56] *Skizzerz 	doesn't have svn access, so no
[04:13:10] 	everybody has read access, though
[04:13:15] 	oh, :P
[04:13:21] 	I took it from the 1.11 trunk
[04:13:26] 	eeep
[04:13:34] 	did you download that as a zip?"
[04:13:38] 	er, 1.11 *stable*
[04:14:19] 	uh, yeah, as a zip
[04:14:49] 	although doing it to 1.12 should be significantly easier since now I know what files to mess with
[04:14:53] 	mmmm
[04:14:58] 	well.. it may or may not
[04:15:00] 	work
[04:15:04] 	true
[04:15:05] 	depends on where the changes are
[04:15:33] 	but you need to get the old data, and type diff -u path/to/original/ path/to/modified/
[04:15:44] 	are you on linux?
[04:15:52] 	no -_-
[04:16:12] 	windows?
[04:16:12] 	would that work on command line anyway?
[04:16:15] 	yeah
[04:16:20] 	nope, windows doesn't have diff
[04:16:26] 	figures =/
[04:18:18] 	hmm... I'll look around for a util... it's GNU diff right?
[04:18:32] 	yeah
[04:18:35] 	you want a "unified diff"
[04:18:42] 	yeah
[04:22:25] 	03shinjiman * r28580 10/trunk/tools/planet/zh/config.ini: +Wikimedia Taiwan
[04:29:49] 	any chance of a rate limit on emailuser? since apparently people are getting mailbombed with it
[04:30:13] 	can someone link me to information on how to make reference links in wikis?
[04:30:23] 	couldn't find anything myself, just that it's the  tag
[04:30:32] 	nevermind, wrong channel (mw-specific)
[04:30:37] 	*wm-specific
[04:30:53] 	oh I found it
[04:30:57] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes I think
[04:31:07] 	!cite | BlaenkDenum 
[04:31:07] 	BlaenkDenum : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[04:31:13] 	oh okay thanks
[04:31:22] 	wait it's not built in?
[04:32:59] 	so to make a reference I could do [http://www.somesite.com/haha Facts] ?
[04:34:10] 	yeah, after you enable the extension
[04:34:49] 	oh okay
[04:34:50] 	thanks
[04:36:13] 	03aaron * r28581 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.php Language/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.en.php): Tweak form order, add message
[04:38:38] 	MZMcBride: I can do it in that format though right?
[04:38:54] 	yeah
[04:39:14] 	okay thanks
[05:03:17] 	MZMcBride: how do I check if the extension is installed again? Because I did http://www.google.com for example and it shows the reference number but nothing at the bottom
[05:03:25] 	Special:Version
[05:03:40] 	you need to have  where you want the references listed
[05:04:18] 	ohhh no wonder, thanks
[05:09:28] 	works now thanks MZMcBride 
[05:09:34] 	:)
[05:17:57] 	03brion * r28582 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql: Update preferred URL for wikinfo interwiki
[05:27:19] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  (10t.laqua)
[05:30:15] 	hello
[05:31:02] 	is it possible to run a script / bot which changes all articles at once in a specific way? for example to rename all occurances of a template
[05:31:09] 	of course
[05:31:14] 	have a look at autowikibrowser
[05:31:22] 	thank you :)
[05:34:12] 	i dont use windows
[05:34:24] 	well what do you use?
[05:34:31] 	well, sometimes, but i'd appreciate another solution
[05:34:34] 	ubuntu linux
[05:35:33] 	check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Editing_tools
[05:35:38] 	there's got to be something...
[05:36:02] 	MZMcBride: thanks
[05:36:58] 	You should be able to compile AWB under mono, btw
[05:37:49] 	hey guys can I do something like [[#This Section of the page|here]]
[05:39:43] 	I can, nevermind
[05:41:01] 	BlaenkDenum: how?
[05:41:13] 	Alp-: ?
[05:41:14] 	Alp-: I wrote a perl framework for mediawiki, which is probably not working, but it's hanging around somewhere
[05:41:35] 	BlaenkDenum: just wanted to know the syntax
[05:41:49] 	Alp-: of what I did? Oh just the way I did it
[05:42:10] 	Werdna: i dont want to work too long for that... i hoped there is a finished solution somewhere
[05:42:19] 	BlaenkDenum: the way you did it
[05:44:13] 	sorry but what are you talking about?
[05:46:15] 	BlaenkDenum: i am curious about the syntax of how you did it, because i want to know that too. whats so difficult to understand?
[05:46:36] 	what I don't know what you're talking about, are you talking about what I mentioned, linking to sections within a page?
[05:46:48] 	BlaenkDenum: The syntax is the syntax he gave :)
[05:46:48] 	exactly
[05:47:01] 	amidaniel: what?
[05:47:09] 	Erm, Alp- *
[05:47:16] 	Alp-:  [[#This Section of the page|here]] in other words :)
[05:47:23] 	yeah
[05:48:24] 	ok thanks
[05:48:32] 	no problem
[05:48:35] 	:P
[05:49:45] 	and linking to sections of other pages is similar? like [[page#section|linktext]] ?
[05:49:59] 	yes
[05:54:45] 	03(mod) Incorrect sortkey for number category keys (1 E2 m) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084  +comment (10gangleri)
[05:56:01] 	how can I create a page that is called something like 'Non-Blah Stuff'
[05:56:11] 	oh nevermind
[06:00:38] 	BlaenkDenum: this time i wont ask :P
[06:00:58] 	Alp-: I just typed it in the search box then clicked on 'create this page' haha
[06:01:25] 	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20w?=:name_space: =?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB=20generates=20a=20=C2=AB=20Me?==?UTF-8?Q?diaWiki?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Badtitle=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084#c1  (10N/A)
[06:03:44] 	03(NEW) wikification fails - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12331 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (gangleri)
[06:12:08] 	Simetrical, amidaniel: I was wondering if there is any thing I should add to my extension... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat
[06:13:34] *qsheets 	is open for suggestions
[06:15:29] 	"For those of us who gave up following the namespace debate 150+ emails ago, can someone from the core maintainers let the rest of us plebs know if namespaces are likely to be included any time soon."
[06:15:54] 	"Hi Andrew, I am not a core maintainer, but I think that things are looking very good for namespaces in 5.3.  There is one issue that has not been fully resolved that Derick raised (how to resolve import into global scope conflicting with internal names), but there are a few real solutions on the table."
[06:16:40] 	03(NEW) indirect sort key alterations - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12332 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (gangleri)
[06:16:44] 	03(mod) Page move doesn't update category link sort keys - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1119  (10gangleri)
[06:16:52] 	03(mod) rollback doesn't roll back category sort key - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3622  (10gangleri)
[06:18:25] 	...
[06:22:13] 	qsheets: a prettier chat window
[06:22:46] 	qsheets: and faster loading
[06:23:01] 	Alp-: it's java
[06:23:15] 	ok :>
[06:23:24] 	and i don't make the applet, i can only change colors
[06:23:49] *qsheets 	means anything in addition to the applet
[06:29:00] 	isn't there anyone here who cares about namespaces in PHP?
[06:30:29] 	vaguely.
[06:32:38] 	they've been talking about them for a long time, always with a lot of noise on the list
[06:32:50] 	but it looks like they're edging closer to a release
[06:32:59] 	hello, i am trying to set up mediawiki using windows vista - have read all the help pages, have followed step by step guides to install it, and im having no luck. is there anyone who can help me please?
[06:33:09] 	with double-colon, not with any of the other crazy separators that people were proposing
[06:33:21] 	JohnMichaels: more information, please
[06:33:46] 	you've just said "no luck".. does that mean that it's being rude to you? you're incapable of calling a coin toss?
[06:34:40] 	03(mod) Editing tools not showing when trying to edit articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12326  +comment (10jeluf)
[06:35:08] 	ive downloaded MySQL, Apache, and php - followed steps from an outside webpage 'http://oss.segetech.com/wamp.html'. ive uninstalled everything and am about to try again. i should point out i have no real computer background, so am embarking on a difficult challenge
[06:35:30] 	JohnMichaels: What exactly is the problem?
[06:37:21] 	the problem is that when i come to the final step to test if it's working, before installing mediawiki - the WAMP configuration, by loading http://localhost/test.php it comes up with an error message, which to me seems like i've made a mistake somwhere - even though i've followed the steps, slowly and carefully
[06:38:48] 	so before i start again
[06:39:50] 	JohnMichaels: THE PROBLEM IS VISTA!!! <(^^,)>
[06:40:18] 	I've run MediaWiki on vista, didn't have any trouble
[06:40:48] 	well, I guess you have to be careful about that shimming nonsense, or whatever it's called
[06:40:53] 	TimStarling: 'twas a joke
[06:40:59] 	ok. i will try again then
[06:41:01] 	but that was only a few minutes' extra work
[06:41:49] 	can i cut and paste the steps from this site im following on here, so that i can ask a question from it - and make sure im going through it properly? is that ok to do?
[06:42:15] 	!pastebin | JohnMichaels 
[06:42:15] 	JohnMichaels : Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as  and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[06:43:03] 	JohnMichaels: is your wiki accessible from the internet?
[06:43:31] 	what error message do you get?
[06:43:36] 	I don't care what steps you're following
[06:59:19] 	hi there
[07:03:14] 	hi rossr
[07:03:38] 	hi tim
[07:04:06] 	I notice you have "gallery" in your cloak, are you a gallery developer?
[07:04:13] 	i was just checking in the irc cause i am having an issue on my mediawiki installation
[07:04:27] 	oh yeah! that's funny - yeah
[07:04:34] 	nice bit of software, gallery
[07:04:36] 	i helped out a while back
[07:04:57] 	i created the default theme, and was working hard on making it web standard compliant, etc
[07:04:57] 	we stole the dirname(__FILE__) idea from it
[07:05:19] 	...with css, xhtml, etc...
[07:05:22] 	ha!
[07:05:24] 	nice
[07:05:31] 	so anyway, what can I help you with?
[07:05:31] 	the joys of open source
[07:06:02] 	well, i restored my database, but now i am getting the cryptic:
[07:06:12] 	"The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found..."
[07:06:35] 	how did you restore it?
[07:06:46] 	using mysql administrator
[07:07:28] 	i had some initial problems, but i re-created many tables of the mysql database
[07:07:43] 	we store wiki pages in three tables, page/revision/text
[07:07:56] 	that error generally means you have a page row, but you're missing either revision or text
[07:08:43] 	ah perfect
[07:08:57] 	you can probably confirm it by looking at the database directly
[07:09:02] 	ok, i think i know where to look now and see if i can track down the problem :)
[07:09:34] 	hmmm - it appears that some of my rows are missing in a few of the databases, i will try by re-restoring those :)
[07:10:01] 	thanks alot, just the tiny tidbit of info i needed to keep going :)
[07:10:59] 	happy holidays and happy new year! oh and thanks for your work on mediawiki - it is great software
[07:11:13] 	well, thanks for your work on gallery :)
[07:11:31] 	right on :)
[07:12:43] 	Wikipedia is my enemy.. I somehow managed to get from "Colin Powell" to "Quantum Tunnelling"
[08:17:30] 	03siebrand * r28583 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[08:17:30] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki (2007-12-17 8:13 CET).
[08:17:30] 	* an, arc, fi, wuu
[08:22:50] 	03siebrand * r28584 10/trunk/extensions/ (8 files in 8 dirs): 
[08:22:50] 	Localisation updates from Betawiki (2007-12-17 9:13 CET).
[08:22:50] 	* Fixes and additions to 8 extensions for hsb, nl
[08:25:49] 	Hmm, I'm not too happy about r28543, which introduced a user preference ajaxsearch. I have AjaxSearch activated on my wiki, but now it's disabled by default for all users, until they reactivate it.
[08:26:13] 	Could this be changed so it is enabled by default?
[08:27:59] 	tbleher: Add $wgDefaultUserOptions['ajaxsearch'] = '1'; to your LocalSettings
[08:28:46] 	amidaniel|away: Ah, thanks! Didn't know about that... Always something new to learn :)
[08:29:46] 	Yup, no problem
[08:41:54] 	03nikerabbit * r28585 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserlogin.php: * Silence a warning of missing parameter
[08:42:10] 	amidaniel|away: that doesn't help for already registered users which have value for that preference already
[08:45:00] 	Nikerabbit: Well, they would have had to have stored their preferences since the feature went live. If there are such cases, it wouldn't be too hard to run a quick script to clean it up
[09:04:09] <_wooz>	lo
[09:13:28] 	@Tim: after some tinkering, i have resolved my issue - thanks for your help! take care!
[09:54:36] 	Besides the ease of Short URL's, can anyone here point out any benifits of Apache over other HTTPD Servers that can be used? (To run MediaWiki of course)
[10:03:02] 	I hate comments
[10:07:56] 	hello. Is there an xmlrpc interface for mediawiki ? I've tried googling, and although i dont find a lot of things, it still seems xmlrpc is sometimes referred to while speaking of mediawiki
[10:08:33] 	searching for xmlrpc on your website returns this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DatabaseGoogleExtension
[10:09:03] 	i dont really understand the "for the XMLRPC library parts:" in point 5. (how is it related to db config ?)
[10:11:20] 	no there is no XML-RPC interface to MediaWiki
[10:11:59] 	ok, thanks :)
[10:12:51] 	there is the api
[10:12:55] 	which would help
[10:13:13] 	(responses are in xml, requests are standard get/post vars)
[10:15:49] 	where can i find information about this ?
[10:19:59] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[10:20:10] 	                                     
[10:21:49] 	Werdna: thanks
[10:22:31] 	I might have to introduce some more breaking changes into comment handling
[10:22:57] 	html comments?
[10:23:01] 	yeah
[10:23:11] 	oh I see, the preprocessor
[10:23:28] 	the point where comments used to be replaced doesn't really exist anymore
[10:23:52] 	aren't they just deleted?
[10:24:02] 	no, they eat line endings
[10:24:12] 	oh right
[10:24:38] 	so that you can have \n\n\n\n without a weird extra newline
[10:25:33] 	so why not just use a regex, something like preg_replace( '/\n?\<\!\-\-.+?\-\-\>\n?/', '', $text );
[10:25:58] 	for a start, that's an O(N^2) regex
[10:26:14] 	it has infinite backtracking
[10:26:17] 	ah, performance.
[10:26:26] 	well, that's easily fixed
[10:26:39] 	we already have functions to remove HTML comments
[10:26:50] 	03(mod)  Server should return a 404 HTTP status code if the page does not exist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585  +comment (10stephen.bain)
[10:26:58] 	how do you think the current parser works?
[10:27:03] 	lots of regexes
[10:27:04] 	I've read it.
[10:27:20] 	...not really
[10:27:33] 	not in the preprocessor part anyway
[10:27:39] 	ah
[10:27:54] *Werdna 	is being called, most inopportunely, to eat.
[10:27:56] 	brb
[10:27:59] 	but that's not the question I was asking
[10:32:15] 	Q1: what does this return? a\n{{#if:}}\nb
[10:32:44] 	Q2: a\n{{#if:1|}}\nb
[10:36:00] 	Q3: {{xy}}
[10:54:37] *Werdna 	comes back
[10:55:01] 	TimStarling: Ah. I see your point. Ideally, it should return ab
[10:55:20] 	2. ab, and 3. {{xy}}
[10:55:27] 	but I can see that that can't be done in the preprocessor.
[10:55:29] 	no, it never returns ab
[10:56:00] 	basic comment stripping is that if a comment is on a line of its own, that line is removed
[10:56:14] 	I see.
[10:56:16] 	a\n\nb  becomes a\nb
[10:56:47] 	whereas a\n{{#if:}}\nb  becomes  a\n\nb
[10:56:59] 	i.e. two separate paragraphs after doBlockLevels
[10:57:06] 	mmmm
[10:57:12] 	hey domas :)
[10:57:15] 	how difficult would be adding 'reply' links to every block of text?
[10:57:17] 	for talk pages? :)
[10:57:21] 	hey werdna
[10:57:30] 	TimStarling: So, what behaviour do you need to break?
[10:57:40] 	Hello
[10:57:45] 	hi taw
[10:57:54] 	Is it possible to get any full xml dumps of english wikipedia ?
[10:58:04] 	yes, it is
[10:58:27] 	how can i get them ? (download.wikimedia.org doesn't have them, i wouldn't be asking if it did)
[10:58:32] 	you just have to wait
[10:58:36] 	\o/
[10:59:02] 	can i get old dumps ? (or how long until new ones are available)
[10:59:27] 	don't see any produced atm
[10:59:41] 	wanna rewrite dumping process into ocaml? :-)
[11:00:17] 	if it would make the process work ^_^
[11:00:33] 	does anybody have old dumps ? they were available at some point
[11:00:38] 	re
[11:01:36] 	bbl
[11:07:07] 	so, is anybody working on getting dumps working perhaps ?
[11:08:02] 	lots of people
[11:09:16] 	does it seem like we'll be getting dumps working in less than a few weeks or so ?
[11:09:46] 	03(mod) Add a tag for inline math - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12223  (10psychomessiah)
[11:20:05] 	back
[11:20:57] 	I'm checking my assumptions, it looks like the old parser doesn't quite work as I thought
[11:23:04] 	A1: a\n\nb
[11:23:25] 	A2: a\n\nb
[11:23:41] 	A3: xy
[11:23:51] 	and that's the same on the second recursion level too
[11:24:16] 	so that's all just pre-expand
[11:24:31] 	which makes sense because removeHTMLtags is run pre-expand
[11:24:59] 	aren't they rendered as 
a
b
?
[11:25:13] 	they are, that was just more ugly so I'm showing you the intermediate output
[11:25:35] 	ah, there's an intermediate output?
[11:26:06] 	kind of
[11:26:13] 	(is that ever actually in-memory by the parser, or are you just using that for illustration purposes?)
[11:26:45] 	it's in memory, but I'm just making it up in this case based on the final output
[11:26:53] 	but I'm pretty sure I'm right :)
[11:27:12] 	well yeah
[11:27:29] 	the real intermediate text has strip markers in it, so it can be ugly at times
[11:27:39] 	in this case there wouldn't be any though
[11:27:44] 	ah, that stuff that kept on showing up in articles ages ago?
[11:27:58] 	yes
[11:28:05] 	due to a bug with raw signatures
[11:28:10] 	03(NEW) Closure of several wikis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12333 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (semenik)
[11:28:27] *Werdna 	remembers it appearing instead of templates.
[11:29:11] 	it doesn't appear instead of templates, it appears in place of  and XML-style extension tags
[11:29:20] 	ah, right
[11:30:22] 	I wonder if the comments work the same way during PST
[11:30:43] 	PST is a mess though, it needs some breaking
[11:30:54] 	just not accidental breaking
[11:31:41] 	PST?
[11:31:46] 	Parser something tests?
[11:32:19] 	preSaveTransform()
[11:34:19] 	that does tildes, the pipe trick, etc?
[11:34:37] 	yes, but most importantly, subst
[11:35:23] 	subst is like ordinary template expansion, except with some strange and sometimes broken rules about what is substituted and what isn't
[11:35:28] 	Shouldn't comments eat linebreaks both ways?
[11:35:44] 	or you get stuff like this:
[11:35:45] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_Internet_pornography#Australia
[11:36:15] 	there's an html comment between "blocking access to it" and "online content scheme", with linebreaks both sides of it
[11:36:35] 	notice that it causes an annoyigly large gap.
[11:37:04] 	maybe later
[11:37:33] 	the current project is to bring in the new preprocessor with as little breakage as possible
[11:37:46] 	heh, I bet
[11:37:58] 	no easy task
[11:38:37] 	it was once the case that multiple line breaks were converted to a single paragraph break
[11:38:43] 	that's how I remember it anyway
[11:38:52] 	TimStarling: I just got a blank page when requesting http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:Short_URL&curid=7060&diff=155077&oldid=155057
[11:38:54] 	I'm pretty sure that was changed when the new doBlockLevels() came in
[11:39:11] 	refreshing fixed the problem
[11:39:35] 	refreshing didn't fix it, it just didn't happen again
[11:40:17] 	[root@suda ~]# ll /var/log/messages
[11:40:17] 	-rw-------  1 root root 0 Dec 16 04:02 /var/log/messages
[11:40:38] 	yeah, that's what I meant by 'fixed'
[11:40:45] 	looks like it was just rotated
[11:40:49] 	I presume there's a squid playing up.
[11:40:54] 	or something.
[11:40:59] 	but that's your domain.
[11:41:02] 	no, apache, most likely
[11:41:13] 	they do this all the time
[11:42:17] 	any idea why?
[11:43:04] 	various reasons
[11:44:39] 	currently there are two apaches doing it
[11:44:54] 	will continue in #wikimedia-tech
[11:53:07] 	03(NEW) Restrict uploads to autoconfirmed in Russian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12334 15enhancement; high; Wikimedia: Site requests; ()
[11:56:47] 	ok, here's an example of PST being different to an ordinary parse:
[11:57:11] 	"{{#if:}}" -> ""
[11:57:19] 	comment stripped and then #if expanded
[11:57:51] 	but in PST: "{{subst:#if:}}" -> "{{subst:#if:}}"
[11:58:06] 	comment not stripped, parser function not recognised
[11:58:32] 	... any reason why?
[11:58:52] 	because the comment isn't stripped, like I said
[11:59:03] 	yes, but why isn't the comment stripped?
[11:59:05] 	you can't be stripping comments in PST mode, you want them to make it to the article text
[11:59:12] 	oh, of course.
[12:00:27] *enhydra 	pokes TimStarling with wikibugs' message above
[12:01:02] 	enhydra: is it important?
[12:01:27] 	yes. our admins (including me) are too tired with licensing of newbies' files
[12:07:36] 	enhydra: that sounds non-urgent to me
[12:10:27] 	TimStarling, of course, I can try to wait even more, but I think that this change to config file that would make life much easier is trivial...
[12:17:22] 	so... one option for preserving the behaviour of comments would be to run Sanitizer::removeHTMLcomments() on the input to preprocessToDom(), in HTML mode
[12:18:56] 	another option would be to have the preprocessor do the comment removal itself, reproducing removeHTMLcomments()
[12:20:44] 	the sanitizer option is definitely easier, and possibly quicker as well
[12:24:52] 	03tbleher * r28586 10/trunk/ (10 files in 10 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[12:24:52] 	Find and fix places where globals were being used without declaring them.
[12:24:52] 	All the places were found using a script, reproduced below, in case
[12:24:52] 	anyone wants to reuse it.
[12:24:52] 	But beware: The script produces a lot of false positives, because it
[12:24:53] 	doesn't fully parse PHP and is fooled e.g. by javascript functions
[12:24:57] 	inside of <<	who is tbleher?
[12:25:30] 	Me :) I was added a while ago by Brion
[12:25:31] 	no idea
[12:25:51] 	tbleher: under what pretext?
[12:26:06] *Werdna 	wonders why one would admit false positives in a commit message.
[12:26:44] 	Maybe the commit message was ambiguous
[12:26:47] 	tbleher: why were you given commit access?
[12:27:55] 	Werdna: I believe that the fix I commited is 100% correct, just the tool that helped me find the missing globals produces false positives; but I checked them all by hand
[12:28:14] 	TimStarling: adding extensions and fixes to the core
[12:30:25] 	$wgLanguageCode =& $wgContLanguageCode;
[12:30:31] 	that doesn't work, you can't rebind a global
[12:30:43] 	not with that syntax anyway
[12:31:06] *tbleher 	goes checking the code again
[12:31:49] 	it's not your code
[12:32:01] 	you just added global definitions to broken code, that's all
[12:33:54] 	I'm very sorry if I did anything wrong; should I revert it?
[12:33:58] 	ah, now extensions/Translate/fuzzy.php is interesting
[12:34:12] 	I haven't found anything wrong yet
[12:34:27] 	Hi, I want to install mediawiki, but when i do so it complains only php5 is supported. Is there somewere a php4 supported package aswell ?
[12:34:32] 	probably what you changed it to is what the author intended, but it's perfectly valid either way
[12:34:59] 	!topic | saintk 
[12:35:01] 	dammit
[12:35:06] 	saintk: read the topic
[12:35:25] 	for some reason it doesn't display a topic. Can you paste the info ?
[12:35:57] 	« MediaWiki development & support | Security fixes: 1.11.0, 1.10.2, 1.9.4, 1.8.5 | Latest stable: 1.11.0 for PHP5, 1.6.10 for PHP4 | Don't paste text to the channel, use http://rafb.net/paste/ | FAQ: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ | Channel logged, see http://tinyurl.com/2896ae »
[12:36:31] 	enhydra: Thanks alot!
[12:36:51] 	np
[12:38:20] 	same with addwiki.php
[12:39:01] 	anyway, all in all, it looks like a useful change
[12:39:03] 	several bugs fixed
[12:40:07] 	tbleher: you didn't answer the major question yet though :)
[12:40:17] *domas 	ducks
[12:40:30] 	domas: which one?
[12:40:59] 	ah, there was one answer :)
[12:41:06] 	pardon me
[12:41:37] 	just you may get raised eyebrows when start committing this kind of stuff to core without introducing/discussing here :)
[12:42:38] 	OK; I'll try to discuss things here first in the future
[12:46:03] 	What should I do about $wgLanguageCode =& $wgContLanguageCode in extensions/Cache404/extensions/Cache404.php? Both variables are not used in the function, so this operation was a no-op before. Should I just remove the line?
[12:46:26] 	you know what it's meant to do, right?
[12:46:39] 	probably not...
[12:47:01] 	I think if you just replace "=&" with "=", everything will be OK
[12:47:16] 	it's a no-op in your version too
[12:47:53] 	Ah, OK
[12:49:39] 	see, a statement "global $x;" is in fact equivalent to "$x =& $GLOBALS['x'];"
[12:49:53] 	and this:
[12:50:04] 	$x =& $GLOBALS['x'];
[12:50:13] 	$x =& $GLOBALS['y'];
[12:50:37] 	doesn't change the global 'x', it just sets the local 'x' to be a reference to two different things
[12:51:38] 	so $a =& $b ==> Let writing $a be equivalent to writing $b?
[12:51:40] 	it's called binding, the first line binds $x to the global "x" , the second one binds $x to the global 'y'
[12:51:55] 	Thank you very much! It's clear now! :)
[12:52:30] 	Werdna: semi-equivalent
[12:52:37] 	what's the difference?
[12:52:52] 	it's equivalent for ordinary assignment, but different for reference assignment
[12:53:03] 	and presumably there are other similar differences
[12:54:00] 	so $a =& $b; $a =& $c does NOT make $b be a reference to $c is what you're talking about there.
[12:54:09] 	that's right
[12:54:23] 	but $a =& $b; $a = 5; sets $b to 5.
[12:54:24] 	because =& operates only on the local symbol table
[12:54:37] 	whereas = follows references
[12:54:49] 	right
[12:55:34] 	this used to be a lot more important in PHP 4, because we had to use references a *lot*
[12:55:47] 	yes, I noticed that
[12:55:52] 	these days applications are much more rare
[12:56:29] 	I don't recall ever needing to use =&.
[12:56:54] 	(I started developing mediawiki in php5, and the only other major project I've worked on is my own PHP5 project)
[12:57:15] 	Same with me.
[12:57:57] 	we still use call-by-reference a fair bit
[12:58:29] 	I use =& for a few things here and there, I used it for the new preprocessor for instance
[13:05:04] 	well, isn't most of php5 code being call-by-reference?
[13:06:05] 	no, objects are passed by handle, but basic types are passed by value
[13:06:16] 	so if you want a function to modify a string, you have to use &
[13:06:50] 	yes, running hooks mostly
[13:06:51] 	ah, yes
[13:06:59] 	of course!
[13:07:07] 	in place string editing!
[13:07:11] 	did that!
[13:07:45] 	And to copy an object, you have to use clone(), right? (I mean, if you want to have an independent copy)
[13:08:46] 	clone is an operator, so you don't need (), but otherwise yes
[13:09:01] 	it's like return, you don't need brackets for return
[13:09:11] 	ok maybe not quite...
[13:09:13] 	hi all, I'm trying to set mediawiki up with lighttpd url aliasing/rewriting, and i'm getting a "Internal error - Redirect loop detected!" page
[13:09:24] 	is there logging available to see what the issue is more clearly?
[13:09:30] 	$wgDebugLogFile
[13:09:42] 	thanks
[13:13:18] 	TimStarling: I have an evil plan. we should position subcategories in front of other entries in categorylinks using evil sortkey values
[13:13:19] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  (10t.laqua)
[13:13:43] 	that's an interesting idea
[13:13:54] 	you realise brion will hate it though, right?
[13:13:58] 	of course
[13:14:06] 	but brion hates anything sane
[13:14:07] 	:)
[13:14:23] 	he'll say "just add another field and add that to the front of the index"
[13:14:43] 	and I'd say "you are mad!"
[13:15:30] 	well, that's your opinion, but I'm the CTO so I make the rules
[13:15:43] 	oh, organization, titles, right
[13:15:43] 	:)
[13:15:45] *TimStarling 	pretends to be dictator-brion
[13:16:23] 	anyway, the general idea is that then subcategories would be always positioned on top
[13:16:32] 	and you could even use 'LIKE' for that
[13:16:45] 	and... it can be gradually converted
[13:16:45] 	trusting the DBA with database matters?
[13:16:48] 	whoever would do that?
[13:17:02] 	on the other hand, having a field would be 'elegant'
[13:17:09] 	he also struck down my rather excellent Special:Unlinked work
[13:17:11] 	as long as I don't have to do the conversion.. 
[13:17:16] 	heh
[13:17:19] 	hmm, I can't get $wgDebugLogFile to give any information that's useful. It's just telling me "Request ended normally"
[13:17:19] 	:(
[13:17:24] 	Werdna: yup :(
[13:17:35] 	(which was your idea)
[13:17:38] 	Werdna: your work was excellent
[13:18:12] 	checkers: Triple-check the steps. In particular, check that $wgArticlePath is set correctly, and that your rewrite rules are done correctly
[13:18:20] 	domas: thank you, although it was all yours and tim's idea
[13:18:24] *Werdna 	was just the code monkey.
[13:18:25] 	you did the work
[13:18:40] 	and I spam ideas from time to time
[13:18:48] 	Werdna, well I'm sure one is wrong :P I just can't see where, as the same rules work in apache
[13:18:57] 	oh, you're using lighttpd?
[13:19:04] 	I think it's some lighttpd peculiarity
[13:19:07] 	yes
[13:19:15] 	checkers: use 404 handler for lighttpd ;-)
[13:19:16] 	I can give you my rewrite rules for short-url in lighttpd
[13:19:18] 	wait a sec
[13:19:23] 	checkers: thats what Real Men Do
[13:19:29] 	domas: yes, that's what I did for wordpress, not for mediawiki
[13:19:32] 	Werdna, highly appreciated
[13:19:37] 	Werdna: I do that for pretty much everything
[13:19:50] 	Werdna: saves lots of time
[13:19:51] 	domas, use exception handling... for good?!?
[13:20:02] 	checkers: it is web server's exception
[13:20:05] 	not application's exception
[13:20:05] *checkers 	doesn't believe in this witchcraft
[13:20:11] 	and only your application knows what is good and what is bad
[13:20:21] 	by writing rewrite rules you add  yet another application layer to your application
[13:20:25] 	which you don't really control
[13:20:25] 	;-)
[13:20:34] 	
[13:20:46] 	pah, a single alias is all I should need
[13:20:55] 	checkers: or that one, too.
[13:20:57] 	checkers: http://pastebin.ca/820273
[13:21:03] 	Alias is the wikimedia way 
[13:21:23] 	domas: I didn't know about the 404 method when I set up mediawiki
[13:21:27] 	I don't understand all the crazy 10 line regexes on the mediawiki manual to be honest :P
[13:22:04] 	checkers: me neither, and I don't want to
[13:22:30] 	cheers Werdna
[13:22:32] 	last time I edited .htaccess rewrite rules, httpd process grow to 3GB, swapped out and killed mysql and other processes, then died.
[13:22:53] 	afterwards I got root on that box
[13:22:58] 	so I could fix stuff in cases like that ;-)
[13:22:59] *Werdna 	reminds TimStarling not to let domas write rewrite rules.
[13:23:13] 	noted
[13:23:32] 	I'd never willingly do that :)
[13:23:49] 	TimStarling: did you just revoke my server access?!!? :)
[13:24:04] 	aliases are better than rewrite rules
[13:24:06] 	regex stole my wallet once
[13:24:22] 	404 handlers are better than aliases
[13:24:30] 	it's more *alias is better than rewrite rules
[13:24:34] 	A ham sandwich is better than happiness
[13:24:41] 	with rewrite rules, you have a choice of either losing "?" or losing "+"
[13:24:48] 	03tbleher * r28587 10/trunk/extensions/Cache404/extensions/Cache404.php: 
[13:24:48] 	=& doesn't work between globals, use a normal assignment.
[13:24:48] 	Thanks to Tim for noticing and explaining!
[13:26:07] 	so now I have to work out why that rewrite works, but this doesnt: alias.url = ( "/wiki/" => "[DocumentRoot]/index.php/" )
[13:26:26] 	Tim is the font of all PHP knowledge.
[13:26:29] 	:)
[13:27:45] 	actually I think it is working now I consider. it's something going on with my mediawiki setup
[13:31:55] 	gah, $wgUsePathInfo toggled because lighttpd runs PHP in CGI, while apache runs it as not
[13:32:17] 	oh yeah, I remember having to mess around with that
[13:33:08] 	nice, this means I can go back to the single alias
[13:33:35] 	Werdna, you should be able to save some cpu by using this line instead of your pastebin: alias.url = ( "/wiki" => "[...]/www/index.php" )
[13:35:03] 	is possible to set some pages to have a different license then others?
[13:48:55] 	Some of the
[13:48:55] 	design goals for UseModWiki, namely that it be easy to install, etc., aren't necessarily
[13:48:55] 	consistent with some of the more highly specialized needs of Wikipedia. 
[13:49:00] 	Jimmy Wales, on Wikipedia software.
[13:53:54] 	"Agreed.  I'm not sure why we want to move to MySQL, at least I'm not sure
[13:53:54] 	why *in particular*, although I understand the general desirability of a 
[13:53:54] 	"real" database in general."
[13:55:13] 	hahahaha
[13:55:15] 	Bomis handles roughly 500 times the traffic of wikipedia with text files.
[13:55:15] 	The text files are not a bottleneck.  They get cached by the filesystem.
[13:55:16] 	;-)
[13:56:58] 	Magnus on CVS: Larry, I don't oppose CVS as such, I just thought why bother...
[13:58:42] 	personally I don't like SQl at all, it is easy and simple, but flat files are better IMO
[13:59:10] 	hehe
[13:59:16] 	riiiight
[13:59:25] 	Stylee: of course they are better!
[13:59:29] 	Stylee: unless you are trying to answer any non-trivial question about the data
[13:59:32] 	Jimmy maintained for a long time that bomis was bigger than wikipedia
[13:59:38] 	Ewwwwwww, flat files
[13:59:40] 	I wonder when that stopped being true
[13:59:51] *Duesentrieb 	likes bumpy files
[14:00:44] 	Jimmy Wales  writes:
[14:00:44] 	> I've installed my new faster wikipedia search engine.
[14:00:44] 	When you said "faster" you weren't kidding were you.  Nice job.
[14:00:49] 	see
[14:00:52] 	;-)
[14:00:56] 	Jimmy was doing great stuff.
[14:01:24] 	yes
[14:01:35] 	you want him back on the team?
[14:01:37] 	sure
[14:01:59] 	not that many people know that he had those hands on code 
[14:02:32] 	don't think that maybe his time is better spent these days talking to the press and managing the organisation?
[14:02:58] 	does he do that?
[14:03:03] 	;-)
[14:03:09] 	hehe
[14:03:26] 	on the other hand, now that the board lost its most technical member
[14:03:34] 	*giggle*
[14:03:40] 	it needs any technical expertise it can get
[14:04:09] 	good point :)
[14:05:46] 	heh
[14:05:55] 	is it possible to have createaccount true, but somehow require manual confirmation from a sysop to make it active?
[14:06:01] 	I should make the "best phrases of Wikipedia'2001"
[14:07:23] *Werdna 	tells TimStarling off for being online at 1am
[14:07:26] 	peder: i think there's an extension for this, but i'm not sure.
[14:07:49] 	peder: or allow people to create an account, but reserve editing rights to a special group wich you assign by hand.
[14:07:53] 	I got up at 3pm today
[14:07:57] 	i think this is even in the faq...
[14:07:59] 	o_O
[14:08:01] 	like me yesterday
[14:08:07] 	not surprising I'm still up at 1am
[14:08:07] 	that's fairly healthy
[14:08:15] *Werdna 	got up at 10.
[14:08:16] 	I got up at sunset
[14:08:20] 	I'm getting closer to US time now
[14:08:24] 	and had troubles to sleep this night
[14:08:49] 	TimStarling: going to sleep at 3pm is US time
[14:08:58] 	(3pm ~= 11pm)
[14:09:26] 	Hehehehe. Web developer hears a train:  ...  ...  ... 
[14:09:35] *Werdna 	slaps domas 
[14:10:11] 	does anyone know if there is a easy way to set a different license for some pages (maybe a category) then others?
[14:10:21] 	Duesentrieb: yes, thats true... and easy enough to do
[14:10:36] 	I've got an early morning flight on christmas eve to go to maroochydore
[14:10:46] 	I'd better be back into roughly the right sleeping pattern by then
[14:11:02] 	TimStarling: that's regional NSW, right?
[14:11:11] 	no, that's QLD
[14:11:21] 	it's also known as sunshine coast airport
[14:11:22] 	Stylee: mediawiki doesn't keep track of licenses - so there's no way to set them.
[14:11:47] 	we won't see an awful lot of the sunshine coast though, we're headed for maleny for christmas and then woodford
[14:12:02] 	Stylee: if you want the standard license links in the footer, you can probably write an extension that changes them depending on namespace of whatever.
[14:12:06] 	ah.
[14:12:10] 	family, or holiday?
[14:12:44] 	TimStarling: just wrap your sleeping pattern using 28-hour days
[14:12:50] 	well, my Dad's side of the family are all going to be with our relatives in Maleny for christmas
[14:13:00] 	they're expecting about 18 people apparenlty
[14:13:43] 	ah, right. Does he live there?
[14:14:01] 	my father? no, my uncle
[14:14:39] 	I see. Nice place to be during summer.
[14:14:47] 	yes, should be
[14:14:52] 	hopefully it won't rain too much
[14:15:18] 	it's not a desert, despite the name
[14:15:52] *Werdna 	is in New York for the new year. Nice sightseeing, but the weather will be pretty nasty.
[14:16:01] 	temperatures today were -1 to 2 degrees.
[14:16:43] 	Duesentrieb: well my issue is that I want to have the majority of wiki under CC-BY-SA, but a part of the wiki consist in the documentation of GPLed code, and afaik CC-BY-SA is not compatible with GPL, therfore I should probably use FDL for that part... On the other hand if the whole wiki would be under FDL, then other things would not be compatible... 
[14:17:47] 	documentation of GPL code can be any license
[14:18:46] 	and GPL and GFDL are not compatible either, afaik
[14:18:58] 	Werdna: oh noes, -1!!!!
[14:19:09] 	must make things interesting
[14:19:11] 	Stylee: i don't understand how you think mediawiki has anythoing to do with what license you put your content under.
[14:19:20] 	just make a template and slap it on, like wikipedia does for images
[14:19:29] 	you'd be violating the GPL if you quoted GPL code in a GFDL manual, wouldn't you?
[14:19:43] 	possibly :)
[14:19:43] 	TimStarling: it'd be fair use, I think.
[14:19:57] 	if you wrote both, there is no problem anyway
[14:20:00] 	domas: we're not all accustomed to cold climates like you
[14:20:53] 	me neither
[14:21:02] 	hence I have >+25C at home
[14:21:06] 	and prefer shorts ant t-shirts
[14:21:11] 	to sweaters
[14:21:43] 	does the copyright notice get parsed for wikicode?
[14:21:47] 	well Duesentrieb, it adds a license notice, and when you want to submit something it also adds a notice like: Please note that all contributions to Anepsosis WIKI are considered to be released under the Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported
[14:21:58] 	I think it's HTML
[14:22:40] 	Stylee: then edit the system message to say something abotu "a free license" and link to a page explaining the detaisl
[14:23:02] 	ok thanks
[14:23:21] 	anything else in the footer where you could put a {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Code|GPL|CC}}?
[14:23:46] 	the footer is a bit hard to customize, sadly
[14:24:55] 	just apply css styling, and use .ns-num in sitewide css
[14:25:30] 	or simply say "All sourcecode released under GPL, everything else under CC-BY-SA"
[14:28:51] 	re
[14:35:35] 	domas: what is your heating bill? :)
[14:41:16] 	03(mod) API list=blocks reveals private data - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12321  (10vasilvv)
[14:41:50] 	03(mod) ProofreadPage: Automatically link to other pages for multipage PDFs and DjVus - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12238  (10thomasV1)
[14:45:50] *Werdna 	goes to bed
[14:45:51] 	nn
[14:51:37] 	03(mod) Turn on DidYouMean extension on en.wiktionary.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12329   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:53:16] 	03(mod) new logo for Guarani wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12323   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:55:27] 	03(mod)  Letting blocked users edit their talk pages on Swedish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:57:24] 	How do you change user rights on mediawiki?
[14:57:38] 	03(mod) Enable patrolled edits on de.wikiversity.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12315   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[15:01:51] 	brown_cat: [[Special:Userrights]]
[15:02:19] *brown_cat 	hugs VasilievVV
[15:02:22] *brown_cat 	runs off
[15:08:17] 	03tstarling * r28588 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:08:17] 	* Strip comments early, before template expansion. This mimics the behaviour in
[15:08:17] 	the old parser. Added parser tests demonstrating the regression this fixes. The
[15:08:17] 	syntactic effect is fairly elegant, with comments taking effect at source level,
[15:08:17] 	as expected. The removeHTMLcomments() and preprocessToDom() passes could be
[15:08:20] 	merged at a later date.
[15:08:22] 	* No need for comment stripping in Expr.php anymore
[15:12:46] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10raimond.spekking)
[15:23:16] 	TimStarling: what about enabling $wgAjaxSearch?
[15:23:34] 	Where did robchruch go?  He used to be on all the time
[15:25:23] 	03(mod) ProofreadPage: Automatically link to other pages for multipage PDFs and DjVus - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12238  (10ThomasBleher)
[15:30:16] 	VasilievVV: on wikimedia? are you crazy?
[15:30:53] 	Why not? It may be a preference option disabled by default... 
[15:31:41] 	sure, maybe if nobody used it, the servers wouldn't crash
[15:31:46] 	but that would kind of defeat the purpose
[15:32:06] 	03raymond * r28589 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
[15:32:06] 	* (bug 12145) Update Kazakh translations
[15:32:06] 	 Patch by AlefZet
[15:32:10] 	does it even work for lucene?
[15:32:10] 	how many search=go requests are there?
[15:32:20] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:32:30] 	TimStarling: it uses Prefixindex, not Search
[15:32:49] 	just for titles then? isn't there a much, much faster way to do that floating around?
[15:33:11] 	involving an in-memory tree?
[15:33:39] 	domas: DB query on each keypress, good or bad?
[15:34:00] 	TimStarling: depends on pause between keypresses
[15:34:22] 	lots of slow typers :)
[15:34:53] 	and of course, how it is cached
[15:37:32] 	Hi I am still having email issues. Does anyone have any ideas to help me troubleshoot this? The email server seems to be working fine (it sends hundreds of emails a day with no issues), yet the wiki confirmation emails gets sent out twice and the notification emails don't get sent out at all :(
[15:39:58] 	03(mod) ProofreadPage: Automatically link to other pages for multipage PDFs and DjVus - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12238  (10thomasV1)
[15:52:45] 	03yaron * r28591 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/languages/ (SD_LanguageEn.php SD_LanguageZh_cn.php SD_LanguageZh_tw.php): New values for version 0.2
[15:53:57] 	03yaron * r28592 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_CreateFilter.php: New special page for creating filters
[16:01:17] 	03yaron * r28595 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Settings.php: Added $sfgListSeparator variable
[16:02:54] 	03yaron * r28596 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/INSTALL: New version: 0.2
[16:05:43] 	I honestly have no idea where to even start troubleshooting this
[16:06:07] 	nor do i. and apparently, no one else either :)
[16:07:15] 	Its pretty much crippling our wiki
[16:07:27] 	LC-Stratics: actually, you could set http://php.net/manual/en/ref.mail.php#ini.sendmail-path to some script you write, which logs al parameters, and forwards all parameters and input to sendmail.
[16:07:34] 	this way you coudl see what's going on.
[16:07:41] 	but that's the only thing i can think of right now.
[16:08:23] 	LC-Stratics: you could also try to temporarily switch to direct SMTP access (slower), and see if that helps
[16:08:48] 	03(NEW) Add Elinks to $wgBrowserBlackList - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12335 15enhancement; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (paolo)
[16:09:02] 	see here:
[16:09:04] 	!wg SMTP
[16:09:04] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgSMTP
[16:10:17] 	This is something I put into the localsettings file?
[16:10:32] 	which one?
[16:10:43] 	$wgSMTP settings
[16:10:55] 	$wgSMTP yes. setting sendmail_path... probably, if php allows it to be set via ini_set
[16:11:08] 	!config
[16:11:08] 	*All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can *look* in DefaultSettings.php. See , , 
[16:13:52] 	Duesentrieb: do you know of any YAML based skins? (except http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org)
[16:14:04] 	o_O
[16:14:18] 	i don't even know what that is supposed to mean
[16:14:24] 	hm
[16:14:33] 	language or terms?
[16:14:37] 	:)
[16:15:08] 	Yet Another Multicolumn Layout
[16:16:06] 	FreeNom: ah - i only know it at Yet Another Markup Language - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YAML
[16:16:14] 	which is kind of like JSON
[16:16:17] 	yeah, i know that
[16:16:26] 	not the same, though
[16:16:30] 	YABA
[16:17:13] 	==> if it doesn't make sense ==> u prolly don't know :)
[16:17:27] 	yep
[16:17:33] 	thanks anyway
[16:17:43] 	i can point you to my own crazy thoughts about skins though
[16:18:04] 	FreeNom: http://brightbyte.de/page/Client-side_skins_with_XSLT
[16:18:08] 	just for kicks :)
[16:18:13] 	ok
[16:18:38] 	i think i'm going to try with that YAML css framework
[16:19:45] 	http://www.yaml.de/
[16:19:49] 	just FYI
[16:20:45] 	yea, saw it
[16:20:53] 	Hi everybody!
[16:20:53] 	ok :)
[16:21:02] 	hi Dvyjones
[16:29:57] 	03yaron * r28597 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: 
[16:29:57] 	Bug fix, removed SD special properties from CreateFilter's property dropdown
[16:29:57] 	and simplified sorting
[16:31:50] 	Does anyone know which file contains the code the wiki uses to send emails?
[16:48:29] 	TimStarling, how does the OpenSearch suggestions thing work, then?  It seems like the same principle as AJAX search.
[16:48:45] 	Although, then again, I've never used AJAX search, so I guess I don't know how it's supposed to work.
[16:48:54] 	It was broken for like a year and nobody noticed, as I recall.
[16:51:14] 	what is "AJAJ extension"? O_O
[16:53:15] 	there's no search suggestions feature that's on by default
[16:53:26] 	maybe you're thinking about the opensearch description
[16:53:49] 	Cometstyles: what you get when someone copies nonsense from a comment into $wgExtensionCredits
[16:54:04] 	XD
[16:55:53] 	Hi, I want a new Bugzilla "Component" value added for a new extension of mine; can anyone here help me with that?
[16:56:28] 	The extension is "Semantic Drilldown".
[16:58:15] 	Tim-away, when I type Wikipedia search terms in the upper right of Firefox, I get a list of suggestions.
[16:59:20] 	Brilliantly, GNOME will not allow me to take a screenshot.
[17:02:03] 	Simetrical, you sure about this? I'm pretty certain we don't have a suggestion engine, and my firefox is not doing it either... 
[17:02:13] 	rainman-sr, hmm.
[17:02:23] 	Maybe it uses some sneaky mechanism.
[17:02:29] *Simetrical 	scratches his head
[17:02:51] 	is that the gadget for firefox to search en.wiki?
[17:03:01] 	you get from the official firefox site, etc.. 
[17:03:16] 	03(mod) Activate enwikiquote user talk-page change notification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12295   +shell (10jeluf)
[17:03:30] 	rainman-sr, it's just going to Wikipedia, looking at the upper right of the page, clicking the Google icon or whatever, and clicking "Add Wikipedia (English)" or whatever.
[17:03:32] 	03(mod) Enable gadgets on huwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12303   +shell (10jeluf)
[17:04:18] 	yes, then we're talking about the same thing
[17:07:45] 	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[17:07:55] 	rainman-sr, it's added the same way as any other OpenSearch thing is added . . . where does it get the titles?  It's too slow to be locally.
[17:08:05] 	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[17:10:06] 	Sorry - does anyone know who maintains Bugzilla?
[17:11:28] 	Simetrical: maybe it's parsing special:prefixindex or something nasty as that? who knows.. 
[17:11:39] 	Yaron, lots of people!
[17:11:47] 	robchurch and brion, principally, AFAICT.
[17:11:54] 	At least they're the only ones I've ever caught fiddling with it.
[17:12:22] 	Simetrical - thanks. I want a component added to Bugzilla, so if no one here currently can help with that, I'll write one of them.
[17:14:21] 	hi Yaron
[17:14:35] 	Hi FreeNom, what's up.
[17:14:56] 	Yaron: same old; how about you?
[17:15:27] 	Pretty good - added another extension, as you can see.
[17:15:43] 	i know (about it)
[17:15:56] 	i think i have already tried it
[17:16:12] 	on ontoworld.org
[17:16:20] 	Oh, okay. Yeah, they added it early on.
[17:16:28] 	yep :)
[17:16:50] 	Though it doesn't really work there yet, for unknown reasons.
[17:17:02] 	oh, ok
[17:17:04] 	The filters aren't showing up. I'm talking to them about it.
[17:17:55] 	Yaron: did u say that Halo is not worth it?
[17:18:22] 	It's up to the user... maybe this isn't the best forum to discuss this. :)
[17:18:40] 	oh sorry, i guess u r right
[17:18:42] 	silly me
[17:19:27] 	Simetrical: it's using the API
[17:19:46] 	So we have a query on every keystroke anyway.  \o/
[17:19:52] 	
[17:26:52] 	seems to be using special:allpages to get the titles... 
[17:27:42] 	14(WFM) Page move doesn't update category link sort keys - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1119  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:28:41] 	Anyone know how I can add stuff to the page footer?
[17:32:16] 	Hack the skin!
[17:32:16] 	03(mod) Subcategory paging is not separate from article paging - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1211  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:32:30] 	There are probably some system messages you can hijack, too.
[17:35:43] 	Simetrical: :;(
[17:36:07] 	Simetrical: thx for explaining on bug 1211
[18:10:28] 	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  +comment (10paul.kaganer)
[18:35:10] 	looking at an old wikipgedia install, anyone tell me which version of mediawiki that wikipgedia-0.4 was based off?
[18:36:54] 	03siebrand * r28599 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Add comment for 'ipboptions'
[19:09:32] 	HOw do I get my wiki to use MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedbyat intead of MediaWiki:Lastmodifiedat in the footer?
[19:11:50] 	Hello, Does anyone know what this is about: 
[19:11:50] 	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 20971520 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 76081 bytes) in /home/wiredtap/public_html/w/languages/Language.php on line 1017
[19:12:35] 	I am trying to save an article when I get this message
[19:18:10] 	Wiredtape: that sounds like an error from php. there is a setting in php.ini that allows you to change the maximum amount of memory a single script can use
[19:19:44] 	duncanh, but why would saving an article cause this now if it has never before?
[19:21:06] 	Wiredtape: I'd need to poke around a lot in your environment to hazard a guess; in short, I don't know. Try increasing it and see if it helps. don't forget to restart your webserver.
[19:21:56] 	duncanh, thanx.. will do. is there any chance a really long article might cause this?
[19:22:03] 	yes
[19:22:58] 	Wiredtape: 20 is too little
[19:23:02] 	03(mod) Create the Lower Sorbian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12181  (10robin_1273)
[19:24:20] 	what is the recommended?
[19:26:08] 	03(mod) render wikipedia:language:page as a direct link - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12319  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[19:28:07] 	Nikerabbit? Is there a recommended memory size?
[19:29:05] 	03(mod) New mailing list - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12256  (10robin_1273)
[19:30:23] 	don't know, depends on the usage
[19:31:39] <[AGK]>	cascading protection refuses to take effect on my wiki, can anybody help?
[19:31:41] 	Nikerabbit, ok thank you.
[19:32:37] <[AGK]>	$wgEnableCascadingProtection is definitely turned on, and I'm running the latest MW version
[19:32:51] <[AGK]>	1.12 alpha
[19:35:08] <[AGK]>	can anybody advise?
[19:37:36] 	hi
[19:37:56] <[AGK]>	hi
[19:38:03] 	Ich bin etwas ratlos
[19:39:22] 	Is there anything I should add to my extension... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:IRC_Chat
[19:51:35] 	Has the CIA-38 commit bot been working fine in here recently?
[19:52:10] <[AGK]>	does chanserv not operate in this channel?
[19:52:23] 	doesnt look like it
[19:52:27] 	or someones told it to go awa
[19:52:29] 	y
[19:54:04] <[AGK]>	cascading protection isn't working for my wiki, does anybody know why that would be?
[19:57:11] 	is there any workaround getting the latex  formatting working on mediawiki running on centOS in virtualserver?
[19:57:55] 	i gave a list of the libs listed in the latex help in mediawiki dir and my isp installed the stuff that was available in centOS packages but it wasn't sufficent
[19:59:15] 	Reedy_Boy: hasn't said anything in few days
[19:59:27] 	Hmm
[19:59:34] 	Its in my IRC client that it did 82 minutes ago
[19:59:45] 	Yeah, CIA started working yesterday for a while
[19:59:49] 	The AutoWikiBrowser one has been very hit and miss...
[19:59:56] 	Kicking it sometimes brings the next commit
[20:00:01] 	it spoke at 18:36 UTC.
[20:00:02] 	but its a bit hmm
[20:00:17] 	(1.5 hours ago)
[20:00:37] 	Must be having problems..
[20:00:38] 	errm
[20:01:31] 	http://code.google.com/p/cia-vc/issues/detail?id=1
[20:01:35] 	Its reported at least
[20:04:32] *TimLaqua 	kicks CIA-38
[20:04:33] 	ow
[20:04:36] 	lol
[20:04:43] 	meh, *I* wanted to do that
[20:04:47] 	:(
[20:04:52] 	I dropped a commit first.  ;-)
[20:04:52] *Reedy_Boy 	kicks CIA-38 
[20:04:53] 	ow
[20:04:58] *Reedy_Boy 	kicks CIA-38 
[20:04:59] 	ow
[20:05:03] 	I suppose that means its alive?
[20:05:09] 	that means it hears us
[20:05:21] 	feels, rather
[20:05:26] 	lol
[20:05:28] 	apparently it doesn't hear the more important stuff.
[20:08:03] 	afternoon.
[20:08:24] 	Does mediawiki support privilege-based access of certain pages?
[20:09:01] 	we currently use v 1.6.1, which I don't believe does.  Wondering if such a feature has yet been added
[20:09:11] 	!cms
[20:09:11] 	You are advised to install an appropriate content management package if you want per-page access control and similar restrictions. See  if you really want too. 
[20:09:14] 	!access
[20:09:14] 	For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see .
[20:09:24] 	alright alright
[20:09:38] 	:P
[20:09:53] 	let's none of us have a cow
[20:10:59] 	I take it I'm not the first (or last) to ask.
[20:12:42] 	In which file is $wgFileExtensions located?
[20:12:58] 	!config
[20:12:58] 	*All* configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can *look* in DefaultSettings.php. See , , 
[20:13:35] 	I didn't find it in Localsettings.php
[20:13:45] 	then add it there ;-)
[20:13:52] 	ok
[20:18:00] 	hi everybody!
[20:18:09] 	who has one minute just to correct a sentence in english?
[20:18:44] 	!ask
[20:18:44] 	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[20:19:35] 	just go with me to the channel "helpingcool"
[20:20:09] 	no.
[20:20:20] 	It works :-)
[20:21:36] 	oh...
[20:21:37] 	: (
[20:22:00] 	so you don't wanna help me..
[20:22:02] 	oh..
[20:22:29] 	if i had the need to get my grammar corrected i would not use a software support channel for that purpose
[20:22:53] 	aren't there some i18n channels around?
[20:22:55] 	i'd use it to ask for example: any alternatives for using the ocamlopt-compiler to compile math support to mediawiki ;->
[20:24:07] 	I have two extensions which both add magic words, however when they are both installed neither of the magic words work, but when just one is installed that magic word works. Can anyone hazard a guess why?
[20:27:15] 	maybe some hook function fails to return true?
[20:28:03] 	03(mod) uploaded files cannot be updated or deleted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11905  +comment (10kstauffer)
[20:28:52] 	Duesentrieb: Both of them are almost identical except for the names and return values; would you mind taking a quick look at my code - it's only a few lines?
[20:29:10] 	link?
[20:29:21] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TotalRevisions#Source_Code
[20:29:24] 	Thank you.
[20:29:48] 	i have never worked with magic words, though
[20:29:54] 	i can only do a quick sanity check
[20:31:06] 	Sure, even that I would appreciate. :)
[20:31:25] 	minute: wfTotalRevisionsAssign returns true if it finds the word it is responsible for, and false if it doesn't. that is the wrong way around. returning true means "call other functions registered for this hook, and execute default code". returning false means "i took care of it".
[20:31:49] 	Oh, right. Perfect, thanks. :D
[20:32:45] <[AGK|away]>	cascading protection isn't working on my wiki - can anybody say why?
[20:33:52] 	Duesentrieb: Thanks, but still the same...
[20:34:57] 	minute: what's the other one?
[20:35:56] 	Duesentrieb: http://paste2.org/p/10733 - same but for TotalPageViews
[20:36:04] 	03(mod) new logo for Guarani wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12323  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[20:37:11] 	minute: do you have full error reporting on?
[20:39:27] 	Duesentrieb: oh, good point
[20:39:30] 	has the mediawiki svn gone slower? As far as I can remember, it went quicker once.
[20:40:00] 	Duesentrieb: No luck, thanks anyway.
[20:40:24] 	no idea then, sory
[20:40:51] 	thanks anyway :)
[20:40:52] 	siebrand: svn+ssh has alwas been pretty slow for me
[20:40:55] 	if rollback was granted to non-sysop users on an individual basis (with the GiveRollback extension or userrights) would it still have the rate limiting?
[20:41:15] 	Ya
[20:41:40] 	Rate limiting is only turned off by default for Sysops and Bots
[20:41:47] 	can that be changed in LocalSettings?
[20:41:52] <[AGK]>	yes
[20:41:56] <[AGK]>	it can, MrZ-man
[20:42:05] 	how so?
[20:42:21] 	ask Werdna :)
[20:42:31] 	it's a very new feature
[20:42:51] 	O_o
[20:43:03] <[AGK]>	I can't remember, I'm sure it's a config. setting
[20:43:09] <[AGK]>	isn't Werdna gone?
[20:43:59] 	I don't think he edits anymore, but he still does coding stuff
[20:44:14] <[AGK]>	ah, right
[20:44:32] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups
[20:44:44] 	It's been in since 1.7.0
[20:44:50] 	ah, thank you
[20:44:54] 	Though looks like I made a mistake
[20:45:00] 	It's Sysop and Bureaucrat
[20:45:19] 	Sounds right... I had to poke Wikia to add Bot to that list on their servers.
[20:46:20] 	well Bureaucrats are generally sysops aswell
[20:48:29] <[AGK]>	not necessarily though, but in practice yeah
[20:58:05] 	03(ASSIGNED)  Allow different directionality for user interface and wiki content - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:09:10] 	03(mod) Editing tools not showing when trying to edit articles - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12326  +comment (10lejonel)
[21:15:55] 	ehh, people. where can i download ocamlopt-compiler sources to compile it ? i searched for ocaml and found http://caml.inria.fr/
[21:16:20] 	i downloaded the compiler sources but after compiling, i don't find ocamlopt executable anywhere, only others
[21:17:13] 	use precompiled binary?
[21:17:54] 	domas: sure, gladly, if you find any for CentOS (i'm running mw on a virtual server and the isp only installs stuff if it can be got via centos repositories)
[21:19:52] 	piksi: any generic linux one would work
[21:24:29] 	domas: weelll, i'd kinda expect there would be a plain .tar.gz somewhere and that ocamlopt would have some kind of a project homepage
[21:25:14] 	http://dammit.lt/tech/packages/
[21:26:04] 	the .wikimedia. versions use dvipng-wm and texvc-wm binary names
[21:26:19] 	or just dvipng-wm
[21:26:26] 	don't remember now what I did there
[21:26:33] 	but I avoided overwriting dvipng 
[21:26:45] 	ah, right, some distros provide dvipng as part of tex package
[21:34:32] 	domas: one thing that i'm curious of - why this extra ocaml-layer? isn't there a possibility to command latex directly with php?
[21:34:45] 	and why ocaml? doesn't seem like the most popular programming language around :-)
[21:35:05] 	piksi: because there was one guy who did it one day
[21:35:19] 	piksi: and nobody ever got close to that piece of code again
[21:36:01] 	piksi: the only major change was switching from longer toolchain (dvips -> gs -> convert) to dvipng, and I switched the site to that one
[21:36:07] 	hence the packages in that directory
[21:36:15] 	they're ones I used for live site to run this stuff
[21:37:11] 	and yes, I'd prefer C/C++ if needed to have compiled one, and PHP for general audience
[21:37:18] 	it does nothing much, just filters
[21:37:30] 	but as nobody can _read_ ocaml
[21:37:46] 	it is difficult to write software with 1:1 features
[21:39:32] 	domas: yeah, i didn't even know about ocaml before i stumbled upon the math-extension and when i learned of the syntax.... sheesh! :-)
[21:39:55] 	ocaml syntax or math syntax?
[21:40:33] 	ocaml
[21:40:50] 	i got no problems with the  syntax - i love latex
[22:13:26] 	Is there an easy way to change the color of links on a 1-off basis?  example: table with dark background and links on it is difficult to read.
[22:15:31] 	sure, define a css class.
[22:16:40] 	Can that be done in-line?  I've been trying to figure this out for a couple days now.
[22:17:27] 	Sorry if this is basic info but I've been looking everywhere to try and find this info out and all I've found is CSS extensions that are 'overkill'.
[22:18:19] 	Such things as   tag parser extensions and what not.
[22:19:21] 	Eleazaros: it's a bit round-about: you define a css class, once, in MediaWiki:common.css - say, call it redlinks: .redlinks a:link { color:red; }
[22:19:44] 	Eleazaros: then put class="redlinks" into your table definition: {| class="redlinks" | ...
[22:20:06] 	or, to use it elsewhere: 
....
 (or , if you prefer)
[22:22:15] 	so it does boil down to using server side CSS files to make it appear differnetly...
[22:22:37] 	hm? server side? 
[22:22:43] 	everything is server side
[22:23:11] 	it does boil down to using a global css class
[22:23:17] 	this does not require you to edit files
[22:23:25] 	global css can be edited on-wiki
[22:23:44] 	go to MediaWiki:common.css (a wiki page!) and define styles
[22:24:34] 	youcan use style="..." with div/span/etc on pages for inline styles - but this does not work for links. though you could try this
[22:24:49] 	[[foo|xxx]]
[22:24:56] 	ugly, but might work. i don't know
[22:25:09] 	I've used that approach.
[22:25:59] 	using a class you define in MediaWiki:common.css  is much nicer though
[22:26:13] 	Created a template that adjusts the color as in:  [[:Category:Whatever|{{TxtColor|Whatever|yellow}}]] -- makes the text yellow but it doesn't 'act' like a link and has a blue underline on it.
[22:26:57] 	yeah...  It's just getting ahold of a sysop to have them adjust the stuff is a bit cumbersome and difficult.
[22:27:11] 	I just add content to the site.
[22:27:14] 	but needs to be done only once
[22:27:49] 	a wiki where sysops are hard to reach is a bad wiki - it's prone to drown in shit
[22:28:09] 	anyway, afk for now
[22:28:10] 	can be.
[22:28:40] 	it's a game wiki site.
[22:37:44] 	can anyone tell me if it possible to be able to search by 3 letter words?
[22:38:05] 	if i search xxx yyy i don't get any results, even though i ahve a page titled xxx yyy page
[22:38:56] 	iam8up, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ 
[22:39:19] 	rainman-sr - ...is a search for a short keyword giving no hits? <-- that's for mysql 3 and 4, i'm using 5
[22:39:30] 	does it still apply?
[22:40:03] 	not sure, i guess
[22:41:39] 	oh well, only one way to find out (well..sorta.. =)
[23:17:19] 	I see in the documentation that $wgNavigationLinks has been deprecated, but I can't find the new equivalent... how do I customize the sidebar links?
[23:17:30] 	!sidebar
[23:17:30] 	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see .
[23:17:44] 	awesome, thanks
[23:18:09] 	actually, the documentation for $wgNavigationLinks  contains that link
[23:18:18] 	oh, ok
[23:18:25] 	I saw "deprecated" and didn't click :)
[23:52:48] 	Anyone have a minute to look at a problem statement/feature request I'm putting together?  I just put it on the MediaWiki site...
[23:53:14] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Link_Appearance_Control -- that's the link to it.
[23:56:34] 	Eleazaros: All it takes to change the color of a link is to wrap it up in s ...
[23:57:14] 	that simply changes the color of the text.  You still end up with a residual underline effect and it blocks out the mouseover highlighting when it's done.
[23:57:42] 	I actually created a simple template to do this for now {{TxtColor|text|color}} format.
[23:58:21] 	if the links themselves could be handled in a CSS style fashion, page based, then each link wouldn't need that level of work.
[23:59:16] 	in the document, you'll notice I set the whole tables text color with the 'color: white' syntax.  yet each link you might put into a table would require the TxtColor be used on it.