[00:17:36] <AzaTht>	any api folks around?
[00:24:40] <Skizzerz>	antymon: set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; and $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['edit'] = true; in your LocalSettings.php
[00:31:12] <Skizzerz>	no, that applies to all users, regardless of their logged-in status
[00:31:25] <Skizzerz>	you need the second part to reactivated it for only sysops
[00:32:15] <Skizzerz>	(check to see if $wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit'] = true; in your LocalSettings.php, if it does, delete it/comment it out)
[00:32:40] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: that line exists in DefaultSettings.php...
[00:32:49] <Skizzerz>	ah...
[00:39:37] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblem | JohnMichael
[00:39:37] --mwbot--	JohnMichael: a) do not put the files into the document root b) do not map the pages into the document root c) use different pathes for real files and virtual pages d) do not set a RewriteBase e) but all rules into the .htacces in the document root.
[00:40:01] <Skizzerz>	Duesentrieb: you made me erase my line :P
[00:40:12] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[00:40:19] <Duesentrieb>	but actually, this time, that isn't it
[00:40:24] <Duesentrieb>	JohnMichael: this is wrong: $wgScriptPath = "/wiki";
[00:40:37] <Duesentrieb>	according to your rewrite rules, your script path is /w, not /wiki.
[00:40:54] <Duesentrieb>	so, your actualy files should be in the w dir
[00:41:15] <Duesentrieb>	and then set:
[00:41:15] <Duesentrieb>	$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1"; 
[00:41:56] <Duesentrieb>	except for your odd quotes, yes
[00:42:39] <Duesentrieb>	"european" keyboard?
[00:42:53] <Duesentrieb>	all european ones i ever used have them :)
[00:43:02] <Duesentrieb>	but never mind, as long as you get it right in the file
[00:44:04] <Duesentrieb>	JohnMichael: there's no such thing as "european" keyboard layout... there's at least a dozent layouts used in europe. probably more.
[00:46:08] <Duesentrieb>	antymon: do you do this at the *end* of localsettings? and what version of mediawiki are you using? are you using any extensions that deal with permissions too?
[00:47:40] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[00:47:57] <Duesentrieb>	JohnMichael: sounds like you are missing a leading / somewhere?
[00:48:15] <Duesentrieb>	antymon: then it must be evil server pixies
[00:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	darkcode: add it :)
[00:49:15] <Skizzerz>	!cache
[00:49:15] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "cache". You might try: !purge !refresh 
[00:49:23] <Skizzerz>	it doesn't exist
[00:49:23] <Duesentrieb>	Necrogami: nothing - because the bot doesn't know about cache
[00:49:31] <Duesentrieb>	@search purge
[00:49:31] --mwbot--	Results: [purge]
[00:49:39] <Duesentrieb>	now, that's odd.
[00:49:42] <Duesentrieb>	!purge
[00:49:42] --mwbot--	To purge a cached page, such as when making changes to the navigation bar, add &action=purge to the end of the page url, or ?action=purge if using Simple URLs. E.g: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge
[00:49:43] <Skizzerz>	amidaniel really needs to fix that
[00:50:09] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: what? that it sais nothing if it doesn't know the keyword?
[00:50:17] <Duesentrieb>	but why doesn't it react ot darkcode?
[00:50:27] <Skizzerz>	Duesentrieb: no, anyone not on the trusted list can't use ANY commands
[00:50:34] <Skizzerz>	(not even !factoid)
[00:50:42] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: that's silly
[00:50:50] <Duesentrieb>	has it always been like that?
[00:50:55] <Skizzerz>	no
[00:51:02] <Skizzerz>	but something happened...
[00:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	he needs to fix that :)
[00:52:20] *Skizzerz 	can't spell "including"
[02:24:11] <Splarka>	the relevant css was moved from /skins/monobook/main.css to /skins/common/shared.css probably between 1.11 and 1.12
[02:24:22] <Splarka>	.editsection {
[02:24:22] <Splarka>		float: right;
[02:24:22] <Splarka>		margin-left: 5px;
[02:24:22] <Splarka>	}
[02:24:48] <Splarka>	be sure to be loading shared.css instead of monobook's main.css (or both)
[02:24:54] <Splarka>	np
[02:26:07] <Splarka>	note that all the inner content should be defined in shared.css and the skin specific UI in the skinname/main.css (ideally, I don't know of 1.12 had that well split yet)
[02:26:23] <Splarka>	so Wikia would no longer need to load monobook's main.css at some point
[02:34:00] <Simetrical>	Splarka, a lot of the stuff inside #content is skin-specific.  For instance, Monobook backgrounds/borders on <code> and <pre>.
[02:36:49] <Splarka>	which is why I used the modifier 'inner content' ^_^
[02:37:02] <Splarka>	I didn't mean div id=content literally
[02:38:57] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Special_page_link_wiki-syntax
[02:41:14] <Syv>	how can i use an image as a link?
[02:41:34] <MZMcBride>	[[:Image:whatever.png]]
[02:41:51] <MZMcBride>	or [[Media:whatever.png]] if you want a direct link to the file
[02:42:12] <Syv>	i mean a link to an article, but with an image appearing instead of the text
[02:42:33] <Splarka>	<imagemap>
[02:42:44] <Splarka>	or enable external images (ick)
[02:43:23] <Syv>	ah
[02:43:46] <MZMcBride>	!imagemap | Syv
[02:43:46] --mwbot--	Syv: ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap> for more information.
[02:43:51] <Syv>	also, hi Splarka, haven't seen you in a while :)
[02:44:19] <Splarka>	with external images: <span class="plainlinks">[http://full_url_to_page http://full_url_to_image.png]</span>   (has to be full URL)
[02:44:38] <Splarka>	rar
[02:45:04] <Splarka>	does mwbot have an entry for that hack?
[02:45:24] <Skizzerz>	i dunno
[02:45:25] <MZMcBride>	join #mwbot
[02:45:33] *Splarka 	doesn't care that much
[02:45:43] <MZMcBride>	!externalimages
[02:45:43] --mwbot--	To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[02:45:56] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: add it in if you can't find it...
[02:46:16] <Splarka>	lazy wins
[02:46:21] <Skizzerz>	or not :)
[02:46:24] <MZMcBride>	:p
[02:49:10] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical: I don't think + works unless the title is a query param
[02:51:39] *f00li5h 	meows
[02:54:23] <MZMcBride>	f00li5h: did you try bypassing your cache?
[02:54:29] <MZMcBride>	jinx
[02:54:51] <MZMcBride>	did you try purging the page (&action=purge)
[02:55:25] <MZMcBride>	no.. but try it on one page
[02:56:24] <Splarka>	AaronSchulz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restrictions)#Plus  
[02:56:54] <AaronSchulz>	right
[02:57:16] <Splarka>	but that has changed over the years
[02:57:33] <AaronSchulz>	what I meant by "works" was "does something special" ;)
[02:58:05] <Splarka>	wiki + = +, query + = space => _
[02:58:40] <MZMcBride>	f00li5h: you updated MediaWiki:Sidebar? and are you using monobook or some other "standard" skin?
[02:58:41] <AaronSchulz>	yep
[02:59:50] <MZMcBride>	can you provide a link?
[03:00:24] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar#Troubleshooting
[03:01:01] <MZMcBride>	http://pruebita.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[03:01:07] <MZMcBride>	updated immediately for me
[03:01:23] <Splarka>	you take the trouble out behind the woodshed, and shoot it
[03:03:07] <MZMcBride>	which version of mw?
[03:04:49] <Splarka>	what is wgUserLanguage and wgContentLanguage set to?
[03:04:53] <Splarka>	Special:Version
[03:07:12] <MZMcBride>	amidaniel: hello
[03:07:17] <MZMcBride>	can you join #mwbot?
[03:08:58] <MZMcBride>	no, not at all
[03:09:03] <MZMcBride>	it uses other MediaWiki: pages
[03:09:36] <Splarka>	f00li5h: are you sure your userlang and contentlang match and you aren't using something like MediaWiki:Sidebar/en ?
[03:11:05] *Splarka 	doesn't remember if Sidebar translates or not
[03:12:47] <MZMcBride>	for each item, you need a corresponding MediaWiki page
[03:14:27] <MZMcBride>	thus, ** mainpage|mainpage would read from [[MediaWiki:mainpage]]
[03:14:38] <MZMcBride>	no, external links are possible
[03:15:01] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[03:15:15] <MZMcBride>	you have to define the appropriate URL in a separate MediaWiki message
[03:15:21] <MZMcBride>	oh, it's a bitch
[03:15:44] <Splarka>	you don't *have* to, but it is good practice
[03:16:01] <Splarka>	it lets you translate them
[03:17:00] <MZMcBride>	just navigate to the page in your URL and make a new page
[03:17:05] <MZMcBride>	like you would anywhere else
[03:17:24] *f00li5h 	stabs the ssh lag in the eye socket
[03:19:37] <MZMcBride>	no, but the MediaWiki: page must match what you put in MediaWiki:Sidebar
[03:19:51] <MZMcBride>	and external URLs require a URL message and a display message
[03:20:10] <f00li5h>	a what and a what?
[03:20:35] <MZMcBride>	look at this example: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[03:21:12] <MZMcBride>	** phpdoc-url|phpdoc makes the "Code docs" link in the sidebar
[03:21:44] <MZMcBride>	it's controlled by http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Phpdoc-url and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Phpdoc
[03:22:38] <f00li5h>	so i have to make 2 message for each navigation item i want to add?
[03:23:00] <MZMcBride>	yeah, if the URL and the display name don't match
[03:23:22] <f00li5h>	yeah, adding all that overhead is surely best practice
[03:23:54] <f00li5h>	how about mediaWiki:Sidebar/en with wiki text in it ... then you can translate it and only have the text in once place 
[03:24:21] <Splarka>	Sidebar might be one of the few that doesn't translate
[03:24:41] <Splarka>	(but the sections in it do)
[03:24:51] <f00li5h>	wind it back, so it's all that pain in the arsery for no reason?
[03:24:52] <MZMcBride>	is it possible to have sidebar not use other messages?
[03:24:57] <MZMcBride>	i didn't think it was...
[03:25:19] <Splarka>	MZM: it always worked before, not tried it recently (since ~1.12)
[03:25:20] <f00li5h>	i don't understand why you would want anything other than wiki-text in the navigation 
[03:25:43] <Splarka>	well, lets say you had ** phpdoc-url|phpdoc
[03:25:52] <f00li5h>	wait, if i say page-name on the navigation... it'll just insert all the text from that page, right?
[03:26:01] <f00li5h>	erm, message... not page
[03:26:02] <Splarka>	and at MediaWiki: phpdoc-url you had a URL to the doc, and at phpdoc you had "PHP documents"
[03:26:13] <Splarka>	and then at phpdoc/fr you had "Documentados la PHP"
[03:26:14] <f00li5h>	i see that, yes
[03:26:30] <Splarka>	someone using french would see the latter, but the same URL (as long as you didn't make phpdoc-url/fr)
[03:26:32] <f00li5h>	this just strikes me as being over normalised 
[03:26:59] <MZMcBride>	heh, i guess i did know that; an older wiki of mine uses the non-external-message method
[03:27:26] *Splarka 	tried it on test.wp and it broke, though, hmm
[03:28:22] <MZMcBride>	f00li5h: use this instead of external messages if you prefer: http://pruebita.com/p/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit
[03:28:25] *Splarka 	tries a less complex test
[03:28:50] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit
[03:29:04] <MZMcBride>	requires the pipe
[03:29:11] <MZMcBride>	for external and internal
[03:29:30] <MZMcBride>	just discovered that independently :)
[03:29:34] *Splarka 	guesses the interwiki he tried was breaking it
[03:29:48] <Splarka>	always requires the pipe
[03:30:55] <MZMcBride>	would be nice it if didn't for things like mainpage|mainpage
[03:30:59] <MZMcBride>	but whatever
[03:31:06] <f00li5h>	MZMcBride: it didn't work when i added it 
[03:31:09] <Werdna>	03:29 -!-  away     : ON HOLIDAYS UNTIL 22/1/2008. If it's urgent, email me, andrew@epstone.net
[03:31:59] <f00li5h>	wait, which pipe?
[03:32:17] <MZMcBride>	| <-- a vertical bar
[03:32:52] <f00li5h>	how does that work with a link label that contains... i don't know. .. more than one workd?
[03:33:00] <f00li5h>	word, rather
[03:33:31] <f00li5h>	** http://google.com/|Google Search ...
[03:33:52] <f00li5h>	renders as google[^] Search
[03:34:01] <Splarka>	f00li5h: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sidebar&action=edit
[03:34:24] <Splarka>	ignore the wikicode rendering, notice it works in the sidebar
[03:34:30] <MZMcBride>	just because it doesn't show correctly on MediaWiki:Sidebar doesn't mean the..
[03:34:32] <MZMcBride>	nevermind
[03:34:49] <f00li5h>	what the hell?
[03:35:02] <MZMcBride>	welcome to mediawiki :)
[03:35:17] <MZMcBride>	there's a reason this channel exists
[03:35:23] <f00li5h>	what you see may or may not be even close to any part of what you get
[03:35:38] <Splarka>	well, who cares how the interface messages look on their desc page?
[03:35:41] *f00li5h 	stabs media wiki in the eyes, face, neck and other tender places
[03:35:49] <Splarka>	each one is parsed how it should be, when it is used where it is
[03:35:49] <f00li5h>	Splarka: someone who's editing them
[03:36:02] <Splarka>	that'd be insane to code
[03:36:09] <Splarka>	especially for the ones that are called in various ways
[03:36:10] <f00li5h>	Splarka: no, it wouldn't
[03:36:14] <Splarka>	yes, it would
[03:36:18] <Splarka>	impossible in some cases
[03:36:35] <f00li5h>	it'd just be a matter of the page knowing which renderers it's passed through
[03:37:01] <Splarka>	which it doesn't ^_^, and in some cases can't
[03:37:02] <MZMcBride>	i agree that Sidebar probably shouldn't act so damn weird... other messages couldn't be rendered though
[03:37:21] <f00li5h>	Splarka: surely it can 
[03:37:28] <Splarka>	heck, you can even call the messages in wikicode, eg {{int:}}
[03:37:31] <Splarka>	yah, good luck with that
[03:38:29] <f00li5h>	yeah, i'm not submiting patches ...
[03:38:44] <f00li5h>	is there a comment in wiki markup?
[03:38:49] <Betacommand>	is there a method of getting an IP range's contribs?
[03:39:07] <MZMcBride>	did you check toolserver for a tool?
[03:39:15] <MZMcBride>	or is this more mediawiki-related?
[03:39:41] <Splarka>	wfMsg() wfMsgNoTrans() wfMsgForContent() wfMsgForContentNoTrans() wfMsgNoDB() wfMsgNoDBForContent() wfMsgReal() wfMsgWeirdKey() wfMsgGetKey() wfMsgReplaceArgs() wfMsgHtml() wfMsgWikiHtml() wfMsgExt()
[03:39:49] <AaronSchulz>	Betacommand: what range?
[03:39:55] <Betacommand>	AaronSchulz: any
[03:40:02] <AaronSchulz>	bah
[03:40:03] <Betacommand>	IE /26
[03:40:14] <Betacommand>	simple checks
[03:40:16] <AaronSchulz>	checkuser is the closest thing
[03:40:27] <Splarka>	(and those are just the standard ones, there are lots of custom ones, like the Sidebar array, as well as extensions and int: wikicode)
[03:40:33] <AaronSchulz>	some JS hacks let you do /24 slowly
[03:40:35] <Splarka>	f00li5h: see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/GlobalFunctions.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[03:40:59] <Betacommand>	I thought there was an option for Usercontribs that let you check edits for an IP range
[03:41:22] <Splarka>	wasn't there briefly, but it got reverted as an excessive load?
[03:41:25] <f00li5h>	Splarka: oh, it's all functional ... great
[03:42:01] <AaronSchulz>	nope, no option
[03:43:04] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AmiDaniel/VP/Upcoming_release#Contribs_from_IP_Range
[03:44:30] <AaronSchulz>	meh, it's like my JS hack
[03:44:40] <AaronSchulz>	though I have CU, so I don't need as much ;)
[03:45:37] *Splarka 	used to use a recent changes regex filter, but that has limited use on a big wiki
[03:46:38] <Splarka>	Betacommand: if you just need one, ask for a checkuser, and declare you want no logged-in information, simply a list of IP editors in the range who have edited in the last X days? 
[03:47:08] <Betacommand>	Splarka: that will not be practical 
[03:47:43] <CIA-40>	03shinjiman * r28742 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (5 files): 
[03:47:43] <CIA-40>	* Update Chinese translations
[03:47:43] <CIA-40>	* Update Cantonese translations
[03:47:43] <CIA-40>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[03:47:43] <CIA-40>	* Adding an ending colon on the "yourvariant", as its semicolon has been hardcoded before
[03:47:58] <Betacommand>	I am thinking about building IP range tool
[03:48:49] <MZMcBride>	i thought someone just created one on the toolserver...
[03:49:04] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: I have not seen it
[03:49:46] <AaronSchulz>	with a separate table and foreign key to rc_id it would be trivial
[03:50:22] <AaronSchulz>	or even another column if thats allowed
[03:50:31] <MZMcBride>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/rangecontribs.php ?
[03:50:54] <Betacommand>	AaronSchulz: would you be willing to add that to the API?
[03:51:38] <AaronSchulz>	that tool seems broken
[03:51:44] <Betacommand>	yeah
[03:52:46] <AaronSchulz>	not really
[03:52:52] <AaronSchulz>	it's not very efficient for mass use
[03:53:06] <MZMcBride>	looks like interiot had one too, but it's broken
[03:53:21] <AaronSchulz>	unless you don't want your results sorted by time :)
[03:53:36] <Betacommand>	AaronSchulz: I dont care about time
[03:53:50] <Betacommand>	I can time sort them on my end
[03:53:51] <AaronSchulz>	well I do care if it makes an easy DoS point
[03:54:11] <Betacommand>	AaronSchulz: I mean sorted by time :)
[03:54:18] <AaronSchulz>	still, unsorted feels kind of sloppy and lazy
[03:54:21] <AaronSchulz>	heh :D
[03:54:32] <AaronSchulz>	for an API feature
[03:54:41] <Betacommand>	AaronSchulz: unsorted is better than nothing
[03:54:59] <AaronSchulz>	heh...that could justify a mountain of ugly software though
[03:55:13] <AaronSchulz>	I'd stick to some toolserver solution honestly
[03:55:27] <AaronSchulz>	DoSing that is fun at least
[05:17:18] <kmccoy>	Hey, could anyone help me insert something into monobook.php?  I'm just trying to build an if statement so that I can only display some html if the article being loaded is in the main namespace, and I'm not sure how to test for that..
[05:19:42] <darkcode>	what are you trying to do?
[05:20:03] <Splarka>	getNamespace()  ?
[05:20:25] <kmccoy>	I'm sticking a Google Ads block into a portlet in monobook, but I only want the code to be written if the page being loaded is in the main namespace.  
[05:20:47] <kmccoy>	I did it in cologneblue and ... ooh, I just had an idea...
[05:21:19] <Splarka>	could just hide it in css... heh
[05:21:40] <darkcode>	isn't there an extension to do that already?
[05:21:52] <kmccoy>	Ah, the answer was in front of my face the whole time, Splarka made me realize it. :)
[05:22:13] <Splarka>	that's what we did on Wikia for some custom wikis...
[05:22:36] <Splarka>	#whatever {display:none;}
[05:22:39] <Splarka>	body.ns-0 #whatever {display:block;}
[05:22:42] <kmccoy>	I didn't like the AdSense extensions.  Most of them just made it so that you can add the ads in the article area, but I wanted it in the left-hand bar.  It works nicely on cologneblue for me (www.wikivenues.com)...
[05:22:51] <Splarka>	but see also: http://marcdawir.ma.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_include_Google_AdSense_into_MediaWiki
[05:23:03] <kmccoy>	Splarka, ah, hm, also a good thought.
[05:23:52] *kmccoy 	goes to try a few things.
[06:04:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Optimizing small image's dimension in category - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12369 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (public.wiki)
[06:14:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Optimizing small image's dimension in category - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12369  (10public.wiki)
[06:25:26] <artagnon>	do MW sites come with a sitemap or do I have to use third-party tools to create the sitemap?
[06:26:10] <artagnon>	... and is it possible to edit the raw HTML data of a page using MW?
[06:28:41] <Splarka>	you mean via action=edit? -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRawHtml  
[06:30:12] <artagnon>	Splarka: hmm... I don't really need that. I just want to insert one line of raw html.. will something like <pre> do?
[06:30:59] <Splarka>	nope, you'd have to use javascript or find a MediaWiki: namespace message that is called via wfMsgHtml() wfMsgWikiHtml() (or insert one)
[06:30:59] <amidaniel|away>	artagnon: If I understand you correctly, I believe you're looking for <nowik>
[06:31:11] <amidaniel|away>	Erm, <nowiki> *
[06:31:43] <Splarka>	well, that lets one paste escaped html in wikicode.. was that what was wanted?
[06:33:10] <artagnon>	displaying html in wikicode? won't <pre> do for that?
[06:33:21] *artagnon 	tries <nowiki>
[06:34:08] <artagnon>	hmm.. it's like <pre> without the box
[06:34:09] <Splarka>	it will unless you wanna show <pre> </pre> in there too.. heh
[06:34:21] <amidaniel|away>	artagnon: Yes :)
[06:34:23] <Splarka>	then you have to <pre><nowiki> or &lt;pre&gt;
[06:34:42] <amidaniel|away>	Splarka: <pre><pre></pre> works I believe ..
[06:34:43] <Splarka>	<nowiki> also trims excessive whitespace, <pre> doesn't
[06:34:53] <Splarka>	ami: try <pre></pre></pre> 
[06:35:02] <amidaniel|away>	Splarka: touché :)
[06:35:06] <Splarka>	vs <pre><nowiki></pre></nowiki></pre>
[06:35:13] <artagnon>	no, that isn't what I'm looking for. Let's say I want to create a link using <a> instead of [].... how do I do it?
[06:35:21] <Splarka>	also, line-indented pseudo-pres are different
[06:35:31] <amidaniel|away>	artagnon: You don't. Unless rawHTML is enabled
[06:35:40] <Splarka>	<Splarka> nope, you'd have to use javascript or find a MediaWiki: namespace message that is called via wfMsgHtml() wfMsgWikiHtml() (or insert one)
[06:35:51] <artagnon>	amidaniel|away: alright. Forget it then.
[06:35:51] <amidaniel|away>	Or use $wgRawHTML
[06:35:59] <Splarka>	<Splarka> you mean via action=edit? -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRawHtml  
[06:36:10] *Splarka 	touche`s ami some more
[06:36:13] <Splarka>	we already covered that
[06:36:22] <Splarka>	why do you want to edit the <a> ?
[06:36:26] <artagnon>	yeah, I saw that
[06:36:37] <amidaniel|away>	artagnon: There are also some extensions that will let you define and allow certain html entitites, such as anchors
[06:36:40] <Splarka>	if it is for target="_new" then you get a stabbing
[06:36:46] <amidaniel|away>	!ext HTMLets
[06:36:46] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets
[06:36:57] <Splarka>	you could also simply whitelist <a> in the Sanitizer.php
[06:37:09] <artagnon>	Splarka: I was just wondering if some raw html is possible... <a> has no practical purposes ofcourse
[06:37:16] <Splarka>	sure it does
[06:37:21] <Splarka>	<a name="foo">
[06:37:29] <artagnon>	okay, htmllet looks nice
[06:37:39] <Splarka>	<a style="color:blue;"> (can't be faked in wikicode, except with access to sitewide css)
[06:37:55] <Splarka>	(you can use a <span> but the underline on/off won't match the user preferences)
[06:38:20] <amidaniel|away>	artagnon: Just be careful with it. Poor configuration can leave you quite exposed.
[06:38:28] <Splarka>	mmm, exposed
[06:38:55] *amidaniel|away 	exposes Splarka 
[06:38:57] <artagnon>	amidaniel|away && Splarka: I see
[06:39:02] <amidaniel|away>	Okay, back to my baking I go :)
[06:39:08] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+wfMsgHtml
[06:39:15] <artagnon>	thanks for the information
[06:39:21] <Splarka>	for places that allow some limited html rendering from MediaWiki: namespace
[06:39:52] <Splarka>	er...
[06:39:56] <artagnon>	?
[06:40:09] *Splarka 	checks which one it should be
[06:41:20] <Splarka>	wfMsgWikiHtml()
[06:41:35] <Splarka>	so http://www.google.com/codesearch?num=100&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+wfMsgWikiHtml
[06:46:06] <Splarka>	bah, maybe none use raw html anymore
[07:04:08] <DARKGuy>	hey, does anybody know how to install mediawiki in sourceforge ?
[07:05:16] <Dantman|FS>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Sourceforge.net
[07:10:01] <artagnon>	how does one lock a page from editing?
[07:11:40] <Splarka>	action=protect  (you need the protect right, usually given to sysops and bureaucrats)
[07:12:12] <artagnon>	ok, got it
[07:16:48] <DARKGuy>	Dantman|FS: thanks :)
[07:24:53] <_wooz>	lo
[07:25:29] <str4nd>	hey
[07:44:15] <GMH>	does mediawiki 1.11.0 have the ability to prevent non-logged-in users (visitors) from seeing most (or all) the pages?
[07:44:16] <GMH>	.
[07:44:29] <GMH>	(oops, sorry about the extra period; i've been talking on zephyr a bit much lately)
[07:45:14] <Splarka>	sure, remove the 'read' right from group '*'
[07:45:26] <GMH>	okay
[07:45:40] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[07:46:06] <Splarka>	if you wanna get fancier than disabling all but the main page, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions
[07:49:19] <GMH>	what's the earliest version in which this feature  was available?
[07:51:49] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions added in 1.5
[07:52:04] <Splarka>	$wgWhitelistRead added in 1.1
[07:52:06] <GMH>	okay
[07:52:08] <GMH>	ah
[07:52:10] <GMH>	thanks
[07:52:26] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions
[07:52:27] <GMH>	so the version i'm unsure about at least definitely has this
[07:52:31] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgWhitelistRead
[08:00:59] <artagnon>	How do I view all Templates present on a site?
[08:25:21] <FreeNom>	re
[08:30:30] <vader897>	whats the best way to capture and burn the current state of a mediawiki onto a cd so it can be viewed just like if it were being viewed from a server?
[08:33:59] <Olipro>	get your webserver to specify D:\ as your root
[08:34:11] <Olipro>	/mnt/cda1
[08:34:13] <Olipro>	or whatever
[08:37:44] <vader897>	no no.. i would like to be able to backup the state of my wiki and burn to cds and distribute to people...so they can put in the cd and view the encyclopedia
[08:41:17] <Raymond_afk>	vader897: try maintenance/dumpHTML
[08:41:33] <vader897>	i have been playing around with that
[08:42:57] <vader897>	looking for something better... i am aware of the bug with the image locations when using dumphtml... but also is it supposed to look like a normal wiki page ie preserve formatting?? the resultant files looked incredibly ugly
[08:46:12] <Raymond_afk>	vader897: hmmm... maybe some technique like the German Wikipedia DVD uses... Zenoreader http://wiki.zeno.org/Zeno:ZenoReader and tntreader  http://www.tntnet.org/tntreader.hms
[08:47:52] <vader897>	thanks for the tip
[09:04:51] <marchelly>	re
[09:49:52] <marchelly>	bb
[11:26:10] <CIA-40>	03huji * r28743 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding new translations
[11:42:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Names given to system messages do not follow a single format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12131  (10huji.huji)
[12:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New mailing list for bg.wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11990  (105ko)
[12:23:03] <Olipro>	I feel this is defamation of character
[12:35:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Set default date format on English Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12318  +comment (10tony1)
[13:17:37] <Sasoriza>	Dilemma... I installed the EditCount extension; when I try to use it, I get a query syntax error
[13:18:22] <Sasoriza>	"1146: Table 'blahblah_wikidb.revision' doesn't exist (localhost)".
[13:19:00] <Sasoriza>	what did I forget to do?
[13:21:11] *archivist 	imagines it came with a .sql file to create the table and/or docs to tell you what to do
[13:24:00] *Sasoriza 	"imagines" it obviously didn't help or he wouldn't be having this problem
[13:29:36] <archivist>	then its likely to have a minimum version number it works with
[13:35:41] <Accler>	Hallo
[13:50:23] <[XP-4713873]>	hi, I've qestion about Wiki's account
[13:51:10] <Raymond_afk>	[XP-4713873]: ask your question please. otherwise we do not know if we could help :)
[13:52:05] <[XP-4713873]>	I know there is possible to change the password of login
[13:52:21] <[XP-4713873]>	if somebosy will foretig it
[13:52:35] <[XP-4713873]>	*somebody
[13:52:42] <PunkRock>	forget :)
[13:52:48] <[XP-4713873]>	yes ;)
[13:53:14] <[XP-4713873]>	by e-mial wrote during the registration
[13:53:25] <[XP-4713873]>	*e-mail
[13:53:58] <[XP-4713873]>	and If somebody didn't fill this gap
[13:55:31] <[XP-4713873]>	I know there are a people which are powerful to disable that
[13:56:37] <Raymond_afk>	what do you mean with "to disable it"?
[13:57:14] <[XP-4713873]>	disable or just change
[13:57:34] <[XP-4713873]>	I had password which I forgot
[13:57:41] <[XP-4713873]>	I know my nick
[13:57:51] <Raymond_afk>	for an own wiki or Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects?
[13:58:31] <[XP-4713873]>	and asking You if there's a possible to get to my account
[13:58:38] <[XP-4713873]>	for my account
[13:58:43] <[XP-4713873]>	*to my
[13:59:38] <[XP-4713873]>	so?
[13:59:55] <Raymond_afk>	for an own wiki or Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects?
[14:00:29] <[XP-4713873]>	explain the diffrence
[14:00:43] <[XP-4713873]>	own vs. procets
[14:00:49] <[XP-4713873]>	*projects
[14:01:39] <Raymond_afk>	the difference is: if it is your own wiki you have sysadmin rights and can change the passwort in the database directly. if you are speak about a Wikipedia account you need help from a Wikimedia Foundation sysadmin
[14:02:03] <[XP-4713873]>	no
[14:02:10] <[XP-4713873]>	this is not my own wiki
[14:02:20] <[XP-4713873]>	I am only polish Wiki user
[14:02:20] <Raymond_>	which wiki is it?
[14:02:25] <[XP-4713873]>	polish
[14:02:29] <[XP-4713873]>	(polska)
[14:02:44] <Raymond_>	you mean wikipedia? "wiki" is a generic name for all kind of wiki software
[14:02:52] <[XP-4713873]>	yes
[14:02:54] <[XP-4713873]>	wikipedia
[14:03:07] <[XP-4713873]>	pl.wikipedia
[14:03:34] <Raymond_>	ok :) thanks
[14:03:57] <PunkRock>	the answer is out there Neo 
[14:04:19] <Raymond_>	[XP-4713873]: and you have not set an email adress, right?
[14:05:43] <CIA-40>	03emil * r28744 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/ (SpecialRegexBlock.php regexBlockCore.php): memcached key must not contain white spaces. Replaced them with underscore.
[14:05:50] <[XP-4713873]>	1. whuy you said "thanksks"; 2.what's "Neo"; 3. I didn't fill the box where the e-mial shoul be putted
[14:05:56] <[XP-4713873]>	*thanks
[14:06:20] <[XP-4713873]>	*should
[14:06:29] *Sasoriza 	"Goodbye, Mr. Anderson."
[14:07:30] <Raymond_>	[XP-4713873]: i said thanks that you clarify the problem :) 2. don't know. 3.) thats real bad. you need a real good proof, that the account  is your account. for example another account at commons or english wikipedia with cross references
[14:09:55] <PunkRock>	[XP-4713873]: sorry. didn't want to insult you. with the answer is out there i meant that Raymond_ did answer already that its a Wikimedia Foundation sysadmin's problem.
[14:11:01] <[XP-4713873]>	1. you welcome; 2. You said " the answer is out there Neo"; 3. What do you suggest - send the IP, from place I built my account??
[14:13:14] <Raymond_>	[XP-4713873]: you have to speak with the serveradmins (brion, timstarling) at #wikimedia-tech. but at the moment no one is awake. try it in the evening (18-2 UTC)
[14:13:15] <[XP-4713873]>	<PunkRock>: how can They can help me?
[14:13:35] <PunkRock>	[XP-4713873] no. contact a sys admin of the Wikimedia Foundation, sent your username and ask him to reset your password. 
[14:15:59] <[XP-4713873]>	<PunkRock>: to which one of them?
[14:16:15] <[XP-4713873]>	there ar least few
[14:16:22] <[XP-4713873]>	*are
[14:17:42] <foutrelis>	Hey. I want to use the doQuotes function of http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php in another project (which is released under the GNU/LGPL 2.1 license). What should I put as the @author of that function? I'm thinking about WikiMedia Project, but that might no be suitable.
[14:18:00] <foutrelis>	*not .-.
[14:19:45] <[XP-4713873]>	<PunkRock>: You mean the will give me a new pass to my e-mail?
[14:23:24] <[XP-4713873]>	<Raymond_> UTC - you mean newest name for GMT?
[14:23:57] <Raymond_>	yes
[14:25:22] <[XP-4713873]>	so it'll be 7 PM in polish, right?
[14:25:56] <[XP-4713873]>	and I understand the'll be here, at IRC
[14:26:13] <ricks99>	how can i use an image as a link? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images doesnt specify how
[14:29:12] <CIA-40>	03rotem * r28745 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[14:33:49] <Raymond_>	[XP-4713873]: try it then at #wikimedia-tech
[14:39:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Password throttling please? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12370 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (FT2.wiki)
[14:40:28] <ricks99>	no way to use an image as a link?
[14:42:11] <Raymond_>	ricks99: use the imagemap extension
[14:42:40] <ricks99>	how to tell if the extension is installed?
[14:42:57] <Raymond_>	ricks99: [[special:version]]
[14:43:28] <ricks99>	tx. im not the admin and the extension is not installed. is there any other way?
[14:43:49] <Raymond_>	i believe not
[14:44:13] <ricks99>	:(
[14:56:11] <Sasoriza>	I'm upgrading, and forgot to rename the directory from 'mediawiki xxx' (which should be something like 'wiki', as it'll be in the URL), plus I installed into the wrong folder. Can I just rename the directory and move it, or do I have to reinstall?
[14:59:25] <Sasoriza>	I'd like to know before I move the LocalSettings
[15:00:18] *Sasoriza 	twiddles his thumbs
[15:18:22] <Sasoriza>	la la la
[15:29:08] <Filnik>	Hello
[15:29:10] *Sasoriza 	Pink Floyd: "Is there anybody out there? Just nod if you can hear me..."
[15:31:09] <Sasoriza>	Dang. Is everyone working or what?
[15:32:35] <Raymond_>	all are out... xmas shopping... *hides*
[15:34:08] <Sasoriza>	Raymond_: you know much about installation?
[15:34:40] <Aw0L>	how do you do color formatting for text?
[15:35:16] <Raymond_>	Sasoriza: I have read your question but do not know an answer, sorry :(
[15:35:32] <Sasoriza>	Aw0L: CSS, HTML?
[15:35:44] <Aw0L>	Sasoriza, something simple :) thanks
[15:36:49] <Sasoriza>	you can do <span style="color:#value"></span>, or <div style="color:#value"></div>
[15:37:28] <Sasoriza>	for a value example, #FFFFFF (or just FFF) is white, or you can call it "white"
[15:37:45] <Sasoriza>	if you understand hexadecimal values
[15:38:35] <Sasoriza>	look at .css files, like Monobook.css, those show how that formatting is done
[15:39:16] <Sasoriza>	<span></span> is recommended though
[15:40:21] <Sasoriza>	that is, unless you're modifying CSS, then it's just (using the example) { color: #FFFFFF; }
[15:48:42] <Sasoriza>	Aw0L: Did that help?
[15:50:26] <Aw0L>	Sasoriza, yeah, it's just done with inline css - thanks a lot!  I was looking for some special Wiki formatting
[16:01:33] <Sasoriza>	Call me Johnny-come-lately. I'm finally on 1.11.
[16:01:50] <Sasoriza>	Somebody congratulate me!
[16:09:10] <domas>	;-)
[16:12:19] <Sasoriza>	Where is everybody when I have a slew of questions... Sigh.
[16:14:51] <minute>	Sasoriza: Ask and thouhg shalt receive.
[16:16:18] <Sasoriza>	Okay, I just upgraded to 1.11. My old $wgScriptPath = "/w"; now $wgScriptPath = "/folder/w";. Can I shorten that back to /w without any problems?
[16:16:32] <minute>	!tias | Sasoriza 
[16:16:32] --mwbot--	Sasoriza : Try it and see.  You learn much more by experimentation than by asking without having even tried.
[16:16:50] <minute>	If it causes problems the instant you do it then, no, otherwise, yes. :-D
[16:16:55] <Sasoriza>	Yeah, I just don't feel like going through installation again
[16:16:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Namespace aliases have made a large number of inaccessible pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12371 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (cbm)
[16:17:14] <minute>	Sasoriza: You don't need to...
[16:17:22] <minute>	Just change the variable in LocalSettings.php.
[16:17:34] <Sasoriza>	That's where I'm at.
[16:17:51] <minute>	So, change the variable and you're laughing, change it back if it fails.
[16:18:29] <Sasoriza>	Okay, next question: Can I simply copy my old extensions over, or do I have to reinstall those? They aren't showing up on Version.\
[16:19:15] <minute>	Just copy them and add the relevant lines to LocalSettings.php.
[16:19:24] <minute>	If it isn't in LocalSettings.php it isn't installed.
[16:19:25] <Sasoriza>	k
[16:20:47] <Sasoriza>	Is changing $wgScriptPath going to affect $wgArticlePath?
[16:21:58] <minute>	depends; what is $wgArticlePath currently set to?
[16:22:55] <Sasoriza>	Not set to anything; I put in = "/wiki/$1"; which is my old $wgArticlePath
[16:23:16] <minute>	You will have to change the .htaccess file a bit, but it will still work.
[16:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971  +comment (10alefzet)
[16:26:47] <Aw0L>	there's no way to restricting users from creating accounts is there?
[16:26:55] <minute>	there is
[16:26:59] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971  (10alefzet)
[16:27:00] <minute>	!userrights | Aw0L 
[16:27:00] --mwbot--	Aw0L : For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[16:28:05] <Aw0L>	minute, what I meant to ask was, is there a way of preventing anonymouse users from creating accounts - I take it that's  a yes too?
[16:28:15] <minute>	yes
[16:28:26] <Sasoriza>	minute: Is $wgRedirectScript now handled by default?
[16:28:34] <minute>	Sasoriza: Yep.
[16:28:37] <Sasoriza>	k
[16:28:50] <minute>	Aw0L: The user rights system in MediaWiki is very well thought out and you can stop or allow almost anything.
[16:28:51] <Aw0L>	minute, thanks
[16:28:53] <minute>	np
[16:29:14] <Aw0L>	from the docs, I figured it couldn't be done - I need to read some more it seems
[16:29:42] <minute>	probably
[16:29:53] <commander-ape>	hi! i got a mediawiki using a  postgres database. i am trying to get an xmldump. when i change to the maintenance dir and do an 'php dumpBackup.php --full > xmldump.xml' i get an Error 0 No database connection. what is the problem? the db is up and running, i can access the wiki
[16:29:53] <minute>	The docs are very obscure at the moment.
[16:30:19] <Aw0L>	minute, nope, it's the very first thing the Preventing_access page discusses, I just blew past it
[16:30:20] <Aw0L>	doh
[16:30:30] <minute>	commander-ape: Have you read AdminSettings.sample and created AdminSettings.php with correct settings?
[16:30:33] <minute>	Aw0L: hehe
[16:30:54] <commander-ape>	minute: nah, i didnt thanks for the hint. i will check on that
[16:31:05] <minute>	commander-ape: :D
[16:34:59] <commander-ape>	minute: working fine now. didnt see the file. thanks for the quick help
[16:35:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Allpages doesn' t update namespace box when namespace alias is given - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12372 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (cbm)
[16:38:44] <Sasoriza>	If $wgUseTeX = false, then $wgMathPath, $wgMathDirectory, $wgTmpDirectory won't make a difference, will they?
[16:40:36] <Simetrical>	Presumably not.
[16:40:38] <minute>	commander-ape: np
[16:40:53] <minute>	Sasoriza: No difference.
[16:42:26] <Sasoriza>	what happens if $wgDiff3 = "" (is left blank)?
[16:42:43] <minute>	diff3 isn't used
[16:46:10] <Sasoriza>	if you don't have to specify $wgFileStore, where are they stored?
[16:48:41] <minute>	Sasoriza: images/
[16:48:56] <minute>	and the images table in the database,
[16:51:52] <Sasoriza>	what's the default deleted hash value?
[16:53:32] <minute>	Sasoriza: see DefaultSettings.php
[16:53:35] <minute>	in includes/
[17:04:29] <Reedy_Boy>	Any chance of someone editing MediaWiki:spamprotectiontext/what is shown to the user if they try to save something that spam filter has caught.. To include an easily identifiable HTML/text
[17:04:52] <Reedy_Boy>	As we had it one way in AWB, but then the en.wp message changed
[17:04:58] <Reedy_Boy>	but some seem to have stayed the same
[17:05:33] <Reedy_Boy>	would be useful if we could have something that would be present on all the pages that we could easily identify..
[17:05:49] *Reedy_Boy 	has gone for tea
[17:06:51] <HumbertoMC>	3Heeeeeeey
[17:07:05] <HumbertoMC>	3is there any parser hook that shows how many times some article was viewed?
[17:07:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Names given to system messages do not follow a single format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12131  (10brion)
[17:11:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) formulas sometimes not shown in offline/ saved-to-disk version of an article - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12368  (10brion)
[17:14:07] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Optimizing small image's dimension in category - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12369  +comment (10brion)
[17:24:34] <strategy[away]>	Hey all. i installed media wiki with php5 and mysql5, mw version 1.11.0, and all i see on the main page are a few exotic characters. Is this a common error? thanks all.
[17:25:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Password throttling please? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12370  +comment (10brion)
[17:25:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve security for Special:Userlogin (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9816  (10brion)
[17:26:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10alefzet)
[17:26:55] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  (10alefzet)
[17:30:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Namespace aliases have made a large number of inaccessible pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12371  (10brion)
[17:31:28] <strategy[away]>	anyone?
[17:33:08] <AzaTht>	can someone please reanimate roan or yurik
[17:46:12] <agaran>	hello, is there any easy way to check how long takes to regenerate page when i try to view it when no cache in wiki is enabled ? i'd like to check why i wait around 10-15 seconds to see any page on my local wiki (linux, apache 2.2, php-5.2.5, svn trunk mediawiki)
[17:48:33] <Simetrical>	agaran, you can enable profiling.
[17:48:41] <Simetrical>	agaran, action=purge may also be helpful to avoid cache.
[17:49:11] <Sasoriza>	Is DEFAULTSORT on by default in 1.11, or not at all in mw?
[17:49:17] <CIA-40>	03erik * r28746 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/LqtBaseView.php: add some error checking
[17:49:42] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28747 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/namespaceDupes.php): * (bug 12371) Handle more namespace case variants in namespaceDupes.php
[17:50:51] <agaran>	Simetrical: i have cache disabled in configuration, only two users use that wiki at all, and we like to get it bit faster, its annoying if logging in takes 15 seconds to see login page, then next 15 to get login completed.. machine isn't something that slow, (p2/500, 256M and usually enough free)
[17:51:16] <Simetrical>	agaran, the MediaWiki parser is very slow.  That's why we rely so heavily on caching.
[17:51:22] <Simetrical>	Otherwise you can see very high latencies.
[17:51:47] <Simetrical>	Sasoriza, defaultsort should always be enabled, IIRC, in versions where it exists.
[17:52:05] <agaran>	Simetrical: i see, so cache or change machine to faster or change software?
[17:52:38] <Simetrical>	agaran, possibly change software might be best.  There are much lighter-weight wiki packages than MW.  If you want to keep MW, try caching, I guess.
[17:53:38] <agaran>	Simetrical: i liked MW because it does everything i need, and has plenty of modules, maybe with some exception in case of keeping list of books i have, anyway i didnt tried to solve that books problems until i get it bit faster
[17:55:55] <agaran>	Simetrical: profileinfo keeps saying that i dont have table in database, i messed something?
[17:56:12] <Simetrical>	!profiling
[17:56:12] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "profiling".
[17:56:18] <Simetrical>	!profile
[17:56:18] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "profile".
[17:56:23] <Simetrical>	Someone needs to add that.
[17:56:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Namespace aliases have made a large number of inaccessible pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12371  (10brion)
[17:56:35] <Simetrical>	agaran, never used profiling myself.  You'll have to hunt around for docs, I guess.
[17:57:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Namespace aliases have made a large number of inaccessible pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12371  (10brion)
[17:57:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Namespace aliases have made a large number of inaccessible pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12371  (10brion)
[17:59:47] <agaran>	heh, refreshlinks.php crashed
[18:00:31] <agaran>	i knew that i should not run svn up today..
[18:05:12] <Aw0L>	what's the best way to link a *.doc file?
[18:27:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:27:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:28:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editsection Links should come after Section Headlines - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11555  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:32:24] <Sasoriza>	Aw0L: Just a simple [link ], maybe? That's one option (just thought I'd toss that out there)
[18:32:40] <Sasoriza>	dunno if it's the "best" option tho
[18:32:51] <Aw0L>	Sasoriza, thanks, I'm having some trouble formatting it correctly
[18:33:00] <Aw0L>	I'll keep playing with it 
[18:33:09] <Sasoriza>	are you trying to transclude it to a template?
[18:37:09] <Aw0L>	umm, no
[18:37:24] <Aw0L>	I just have a couple of word docs I'd like to reference in a page
[18:40:25] <Amgine>	Does anyone know if [[Extension:Technorati]] can work with current?
[18:46:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Check if $wgDBname exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12307  +comment (10hashar)
[18:48:52] <Filnik>	Hello
[18:48:54] <Duesentrieb>	Aw0L: is the doc file uploaded to the wiki? or is it in some other webspace? or is this about shared drives?
[18:49:48] <Aw0L>	Duesentrieb, it was something I manually uploaded to the webserver the wiki sits on
[18:51:31] <Duesentrieb>	Aw0L: then just use an external link
[18:51:38] <Duesentrieb>	what other way *could* there be?
[18:52:09] <Aw0L>	Duesentrieb, as in [http://pathblahblah/blah DownloadMe] ?
[18:52:17] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[18:52:30] <Aw0L>	Duesentrieb, thanks!
[18:53:00] <Aw0L>	I take it the file name can't have spaces?
[18:53:34] <Simetrical>	Amgine, maybe ask its author.
[18:53:37] <Duesentrieb>	url can not copntain spaces, per specification.
[18:53:44] <Amgine>	Thanks Simetrical.
[18:53:53] <Duesentrieb>	Aw0L: you can encode spaces as %20
[18:54:01] <Simetrical>	Who said anything about spaces?
[18:54:03] <Duesentrieb>	(or as +, but that is a bit unreliable)
[18:54:12] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: Aw0L
[18:54:20] <Simetrical>	Oh, yes.
[18:54:27] <Aw0L>	gotcha
[18:54:34] <Aw0L>	yeah, that last one was a dumb question
[18:54:38] <Aw0L>	thanks!
[18:55:56] <agaran>	how to check why php.cli goes to segmentation fault on refreshLinks.php ?
[18:57:07] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Create ms.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12353  +comment (10pathoschild)
[18:58:18] <ScarEye>	I have been looking for a wiki server. And it seems like mediawiki is the best one.  I am looking for flexiblity and functionality.  Is it safe to say mediawiki is great in both areas ?
[18:59:39] <Duesentrieb>	ScarEye: it's pretty good - but if it's the Right Thing for what you want to do depends on a lot of factors.
[19:01:01] <Duesentrieb>	ScarEye: for example, how many edits and how many page views you expect, if you need to protect private data / have separate "sub-wikis", how you plan to maintain/grow the concent, etc
[19:01:49] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is aimed as massive collaborative editing - it's highly scalable. but it's not lean. and it's designed to be open, not to be protective.
[19:03:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create ms.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12353  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:05:14] <Amgine>	<sad face> Simetrical: original author is anonymous...
[19:06:36] <Simetrical>	Amgine, that kind of story is fairly common with extensions written by random people.  Not much to do about it unless you want to rewrite it yourself.
[19:07:15] <Amgine>	Thinking about it, if I can get mysql set up in Leopard.
[19:07:55] <Amgine>	<is actually at a client's, supposedly fixing windoze boxen>
[19:14:22] <aBSDaemon>	When I edit the logo in the LocalSettings Pages, it doesn't show up in the corner.  However, the breadcrumbs trail ends up being Main>Ourlogo.jpg>Article Name
[19:14:55] <Duesentrieb>	you must be doing something very odd...
[19:16:43] <aBSDaemon>	It's a clean 1.11 install with Breadcrumbs, Breadcrumbs2 installed (Tried both, they do the same thing)
[19:17:09] <Duesentrieb>	never used that. can you put your localsettingss on a pastebin (remove passwords)
[19:17:20] <AaronSchulz>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communism&diff=prev&oldid=179440701
[19:17:24] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[19:17:46] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28748 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: Update
[19:19:17] <siebrand>	SPQRobin: ike-can, ike-latn active. Copied iu files there, feel free to split.
[19:19:54] <siebrand>	hmm, wls.
[19:20:53] <aBSDaemon>	http://rafb.net/p/9muUH499.html
[19:22:54] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28749 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (5 files): 
[19:22:54] <CIA-40>	* New version
[19:22:54] <CIA-40>	* Added MessageCollection and TMessage classes which replace plain arrays
[19:22:54] <CIA-40>	* fillBools has been changed to getBools which returns two arrays
[19:22:54] <CIA-40>	* Experimental po-export
[19:24:16] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: for the logo to work, it must be a *full* web path, starting from the document root (or even a full url)
[19:24:34] <Duesentrieb>	relative web pathes in the config generally do not work
[19:24:45] <Duesentrieb>	why this would screw with the breadcrumbs - no idea
[19:26:00] <aBSDaemon>	Tried full path, still no go.  /usr/www/usr/taxinfo/
[19:27:14] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: full *web* path. not fs path.
[19:27:17] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28750 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Message.php TranslateTasks.php): 
[19:27:17] <CIA-40>	* Forgot svn add
[19:27:17] <CIA-40>	* Some comments
[19:29:10] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: i see a shitload of extensions, btw.
[19:29:59] <aBSDaemon>	Yeah, someone added a couple more.  I forgot that I had added TinyMCE earlier in the week
[19:30:57] <Juandev>	hi
[19:31:27] <aBSDaemon>	the guys knows just enough to be dangerous.  Tried to get the Wikihow source to install....looks like he pulled in some of the extentions from that version into this directory.  Probably thinking they would just work
[19:32:22] <aBSDaemon>	I think I'm going to wipe the directory and try a clean install of the directory and go from there.  
[19:32:39] <Juandev>	is there a way to hide "checkboxes" in the Input extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox)?
[19:33:32] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28751 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: * And lets fix review all too
[19:33:46] <aBSDaemon>	or do a clean install in another directory.  
[19:34:21] <Irian>	(Hopefully) quick Question: Can I use a Special:Whatlinkshere link to find all Pages to NameSpaceA:PageA, limited to pages only in the namespace B...?
[19:34:27] <Juandev>	when using a parametr of namespaces
[19:35:15] <Irian>	Could you give an example, please?
[19:48:19] <Oldiesmann>	I'm having trouble using apostrophes in page titles... Everytime I try, it gets escaped with a backslash, then gets converted to an HTML entity - so instead of ', it gets changed to %5C%26#039.3B
[19:49:24] <Oldiesmann>	I tried disabling PHP's "magic_quotes_gpc" setting, which fixed the issue with them getting escaped, but they were still getting converted to HTML entities, and not having magic_quotes_gpc caused more problems as well, so I had to re-enable the setting
[19:49:48] <Oldiesmann>	Does anyone know how I could go about fixing this issue? I'd really like to be able to use apostrphes in article titles
[19:51:59] <CIA-40>	03yaron * r28752 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Added new special property constants in the appropriate places
[19:56:02] <artagnon>	How do I create an image link ie. I want an image to link to an external site... will [http://foo.com [[Image:foobar]]] do?
[19:56:11] <MZMcBride>	no
[19:56:16] <MZMcBride>	either use imagemap
[19:56:26] <MZMcBride>	or enable external image linking
[19:56:32] <MZMcBride>	!imagemap | artagnon
[19:56:32] --mwbot--	artagnon: ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap> for more information.
[19:56:54] <MZMcBride>	imagemap is by far the better option of the two
[19:57:08] <artagnon>	okay, thanks
[19:57:26] <MZMcBride>	i feel so used
[20:01:42] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28753 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php TranslateTasks.php): * Grammar...
[20:02:12] <Oldiesmann>	So nobody has an ideas about what could be causing my apostrophe problem?
[20:03:27] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28754 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: * Added a note for metadata-fields
[20:07:12] <Oldiesmann>	Well, I guess I'll have to go do some more digging on my problem. I have to get ready for work now.
[20:07:31] <CIA-40>	03yaron * r28755 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_Filter.php: Fixed handling of non-page properties (attributes) in SMW 1.0
[20:07:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (10gtisza)
[20:12:51] <alnokta>	anyone have a link to the presentation brion gave on that java user group about wp?
[20:14:55] <Berto_d_Sera>	Hi! anybody knows how I can get a "normal" RSS feed of the last changes from mediawiki?
[20:15:13] <Berto_d_Sera>	All I seem to get in the feed is a pointer to the history
[20:15:55] <Berto_d_Sera>	I'd need access to the current version of the article, it's quite confusing to send users on a diff
[20:16:12] <MZMcBride>	http://pruebita.com/p/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss ?
[20:16:14] <MZMcBride>	like that?
[20:16:34] <Duesentrieb>	MZMcBride: that does send you to the diff, no?
[20:16:53] <Duesentrieb>	Berto_d_Sera: well, the feed is for watching edits, so it makes sense to link to the diffs.
[20:16:56] <Berto_d_Sera>	see http://pms.i-iter.org/
[20:17:02] <Berto_d_Sera>	yes, it's the diff
[20:17:08] <Duesentrieb>	Berto_d_Sera: you may want to look into the News extension, or some other feed generator extension
[20:17:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[20:17:32] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3ANews
[20:17:33] <Berto_d_Sera>	I wanted to get the feed from pms.wiki
[20:17:42] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Feed_generator_extensions
[20:18:30] <Berto_d_Sera>	So I need to ask wmf to install an extension
[20:18:43] <Berto_d_Sera>	no way to do it "as is"
[20:19:08] <Berto_d_Sera>	weird...
[20:19:13] <Berto_d_Sera>	it used to work
[20:19:41] <Duesentrieb>	i don't think so. but... what does that site have to do with the wmf? or with mediawiki, even?
[20:20:07] <Duesentrieb>	it used to work? really? not with mediawiki, afaik. it only has feeds for watching changes per default.
[20:20:59] <Berto_d_Sera>	it's a drupal site
[20:21:08] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28756 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.php TranslateTasks.php): * Export po to file
[20:21:10] <Berto_d_Sera>	we simply wanted to send users to work on the wiki
[20:21:17] <Duesentrieb>	"the wiki"?
[20:21:22] <Berto_d_Sera>	and exposing the work being domne is a good advert
[20:21:26] <Berto_d_Sera>	pms.wiki
[20:21:45] <agaran>	is there any way to force refreshLinks.php to show what is done right now? because it sigsegvs php, and only that one script
[20:21:54] <Berto_d_Sera>	well... I'll switch it off, it's only confusing like that
[20:22:29] <Duesentrieb>	!debug | agaran
[20:22:29] --mwbot--	agaran: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[20:23:39] <bango>	hey, how can activate html codes in articles, so that someone can use html codes like <IMG SRC=....?
[20:25:07] <agaran>	Duesentrieb: already followed most of that hints (never turned of show debug errors and so on) 
[20:26:07] <agaran>	Duesentrieb: but thanks, i didnt knew about profiling that much before
[20:26:41] <Berto_d_Sera>	thanks :) bye!
[20:26:50] <bango>	?
[20:29:10] <bango>	 hey, how can activate html codes in articles, so that someone can use html codes like <IMG SRC=....?
[20:31:12] <MZMcBride>	!html | bango 
[20:31:12] --mwbot--	bango : For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[20:33:16] <Duesentrieb>	agaran: the debug log might be helpful.
[20:36:15] <Filnik_>	Hello
[20:36:43] <Filnik_>	Hello
[20:37:01] <alnokta>	hello Filnik_ 
[20:37:13] <Filnik_>	hello
[20:37:15] <Filnik_>	:)
[20:38:11] <alnokta>	Filnik_, how is italia? 
[20:38:39] <Filnik_>	alnokta: always above Africa and next to France, why? :P
[20:38:41] <Filnik_>	:)
[20:39:04] <alnokta>	:)
[20:39:32] <alnokta>	just checking
[20:39:32] <Dragonfly6-7>	Any devs here? There's a small problem with the Patrol option
[20:43:13] <Duesentrieb>	Dragonfly6-7: if this is about the stuff live on wmf projects, try #wikimedia-tech
[20:46:15] <strategy>	Hey all. i installed media wiki with php5 and mysql5, mw version 1.11.0, and all i see on the main page are a few exotic characters. Is this a common error? thanks =)
[20:46:50] <Duesentrieb>	no, this appears to be an uncommon error.
[20:47:04] <alnokta>	:)
[20:47:12] <Duesentrieb>	my first guess is: something is going wrong with compressed transfer of the data
[20:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	no idea what would casue that
[20:48:00] <strategy>	‹
[20:48:14] <strategy>	oops, thought itd post the exotic chars but apparently not :/
[20:48:58] <strategy>	hm..
[20:51:18] <strategy>	is it something wrong with character encoding? i chose the default, should i pick an experimental one?
[20:52:54] <alnokta>	strategy, whats your link?
[20:53:08] <strategy>	um.. kind of private for now, do i need to provide one?
[20:53:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Deprecated "getPrefixedText()" function still used in Special:Browse - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12373 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (yaron57)
[20:53:27] <alnokta>	strategy, not at all
[20:53:38] <strategy>	it's on godaddy with hosting config 2.0, mysql5 php5 mw1.11 
[21:05:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allowing import from other Wikisource subdomains - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11934  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:05:26] <strategy>	why so many languages? Now uploading: messagesKlingon.php
[21:07:03] <strategy>	Duesentrieb, should i use a different character encoding?
[21:08:11] <alnokta>	strategy, internationalization 
[21:08:28] <strategy>	=)
[21:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: everythign mediawiki serves is utf-8. make sure the server actually says that in the header
[21:11:21] <strategy>	ok
[21:11:36] <Duesentrieb>	but getting the encoding wrong should not make your page look *completely* off
[21:11:53] <strategy>	ok
[21:12:08] <strategy>	well, it's pretty off, it's [some wierd thing] < [some wierd thing] i think
[21:13:15] <strategy>	should i use any different installation options? anything "special" i should do? mysql4.1?
[21:27:29] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28757 10/trunk/extensions/SpecialFileList/ (SpecialFilelist.i18n.php SpecialFilelist.php): 
[21:27:29] <CIA-40>	* Adding i18n file (submitted by Bertrand Grondin)
[21:27:29] <CIA-40>	* EOL whitespace and indentation fixes
[21:31:13] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28758 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for SpecialFileList
[21:32:46] <strategy>	so.. any help?
[21:35:51] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: not without a link
[21:35:57] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28759 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Fix typo
[21:36:15] <Duesentrieb>	strategy: crystal ball is not working today
[21:36:38] <strategy>	:-/
[21:37:20] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28760 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Fix sorting
[21:37:24] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Check if $wgDBname exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12307  +comment (10jidanni)
[21:41:05] <strategy>	Duesentrieb, i would, but i'm not exactly comfortable giving away a possibly-insecure mediawiki to just anyone..
[21:42:06] <Duesentrieb>	you can pm me. but then, im basically "anyone" to you, too...
[21:44:25] <amidaniel>	strategy: Why would bad character encoding be a security issue? :S
[21:45:02] <strategy>	not the char encoding, just the general whole thing. nvm, it's kind of a "friends" site.. i'll just use some other wiki software
[21:45:33] <strategy>	wanted to use mw though, because it's fast and looks good and etc :(
[21:46:55] <amidaniel>	Hrmkay
[21:46:56] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28761 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Make things consistent in this extension at least...
[21:47:20] <strategy>	=(
[21:53:41] <nemo_work>	Say folks.  Bug #1218 has been around a long time, and appears to still exist.
[21:53:59] <nemo_work>	I was wondering, in the interim, is it nutty to simply use the original image if the scaler returns a size larger than the original?
[21:54:15] <nemo_work>	then one could simply allow the browser to scale
[21:54:25] <nemo_work>	with height/width attributes
[21:56:08] <Aw0L>	Do you have to turn on something to use the <references /> and <ref> tags?
[21:56:25] <Aw0L>	like a LocalSettings.php option or something?
[21:57:01] <Skizzerz>	!cite | Aw0L 
[21:57:01] --mwbot--	Aw0L : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[21:58:49] <alnokta>	did i hear a myth that mw is fast? 
[22:00:01] <Skizzerz>	alnokta: it depends on how fast your server is and how good your caching utility is, but if you have good servers and a good caching utility, it is quite fast for the amount of stuff that has to be loaded :)
[22:02:51] <alnokta>	Skizzerz, its an urban leg., don't kid yourself :)
[22:09:30] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28762 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.php TranslateTasks.php poimport.php): * Likewise experimental po importer
[22:11:08] <Duesentrieb>	it's not fast. but it scales well.
[22:14:07] <strategy>	and.. is just way cool ^^
[22:14:11] <Nikerabbit>	hi Duesentrieb
[22:14:25] <strategy>	and it powers wikipedia, so we all know its reliable and good for heavy use and such
[22:15:20] *Skizzerz 	waves to brion
[22:15:29] <Duesentrieb>	hi Nikerabbit
[22:15:31] *brion 	waves
[22:22:24] <AaronSchulz>	brion: super fun happy yay time! :)
[22:23:28] <brion>	woo
[22:23:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow references (<ref>) to be defined without adding this instance to the list of references (< references/>) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12358  (10Wikipedia)
[22:29:00] <jmanooch>	hello 
[22:29:27] <jmanooch>	I am wondering why I can't find applicationsettings.php in my config folder via FTP even while after an install it says I need to shift it
[22:29:30] <jmanooch>	confusion
[22:29:46] <AaronSchulz>	brion: my JS stats thingy is fun
[22:30:19] <Skizzerz>	jmanooch: uh... look for LocalSettings.php
[22:30:45] <jmanooch>	sorry that's what I mean
[22:30:49] <jmanooch>	I can't find it
[22:30:53] <jmanooch>	in config
[22:30:57] <Skizzerz>	it isn't in your config directory?
[22:31:01] <jmanooch>	nope
[22:31:09] <jmanooch>	but the install won't complete, saying that it is
[22:31:11] <Skizzerz>	did you make the config directory writable by the webserver?
[22:33:55] <jmanooch>	777
[22:34:16] <Skizzerz>	ok, and it still doesn't make the file?
[22:34:49] <jmanooch>	localsettings.php already exists but not in config
[22:34:53] <jmanooch>	in the parent folder already
[22:34:57] <jmanooch>	don't know what the problem is
[22:35:30] <jmanooch>	fixed
[22:35:30] <jmanooch>	thanks
[22:35:39] <Skizzerz>	uh, ok
[22:40:01] <Skizzerz>	hmm... we need compressed archives of the latest 1.12 trunks as well... makes it easier for those wanting to freshly install 1.12
[22:40:37] <Duesentrieb>	hm, whot?
[22:41:08] <Duesentrieb>	anyone who wants to run the development version should REALLY use svn
[22:41:17] <Duesentrieb>	so he can update cleanly and swiftly
[22:41:22] <Skizzerz>	yes... unless they don't have command line access
[22:41:32] <Duesentrieb>	then they should not use the dev version
[22:41:33] <Duesentrieb>	ever
[22:42:53] <Skizzerz>	mmk
[22:44:45] <Albino_Convict>	Duesentrieb is there any way to get rid of the "in other languages" portlet in polyglot?
[22:45:13] <Duesentrieb>	hide it using css?
[22:45:20] <Albino_Convict>	hmm
[22:51:41] <Albino_Convict>	doesn't seem to work
[22:53:49] <Albino_Convict>	nvm, class was portlet :-$
[22:58:50] <alnokta>	brion, alnokta> anyone have a link to the presentation brion gave on that java user group about wp?
[22:59:22] <brion>	http://leuksman.com/pages/presentations
[23:01:11] <alnokta>	brion, thanks, :)
[23:11:15] <alnokta>	if you slice 1 server into 4 virtual servers, and put on each one a separate server, would that increase performance than 1 server?
[23:12:18] <archivist>	no because time is wasted swapping 
[23:12:49] <alnokta>	archivist, what is that?
[23:14:41] <archivist>	the one server is swapping virtual server to virtual server
[23:15:20] <archivist>	add time also for swapping memory in and out if you allocate too much
[23:15:24] <multichil>	Hi people, i have a question about the stats in mediawiki. When i query the site_stats table ss_images = 9569, but when i do a SELECT COUNT(image.img_name) FROM image; i get 11815. What's happening?
[23:15:33] <KNRO>	Hello, I'm probably missing something quite obvious, but how can you link an image to a topic in mediaWiki?
[23:16:00] <Duesentrieb>	KNRO: you don't. you use the image on the topic page
[23:16:03] <Duesentrieb>	!image
[23:16:03] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "image". You might try: !externalimages !imagemap !images !logo !safemode !svg !thumb !uploads 
[23:16:08] <Duesentrieb>	!images
[23:16:08] --mwbot--	For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images>. For more technical details about image uploads, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads>. Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads).
[23:17:16] <KNRO>	Duesentrieb: how about if you want to link from the main page to a topic via an image? no way to do it?!!
[23:17:40] <Skizzerz>	!externalimages
[23:17:40] --mwbot--	To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[23:17:50] <Duesentrieb>	not, because that would you prevent from getting access to the meta info about the image, and being able to edit/replace it
[23:17:56] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: no, that is NOT it.
[23:18:05] <Skizzerz>	well... it's a hacky way to do it
[23:18:05] <TimLaqua>	!e Icon
[23:18:05] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon
[23:18:14] <TimLaqua>	!e ImageMap
[23:18:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap
[23:18:17] <TimLaqua>	those do it
[23:18:17] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: not even that, no.
[23:18:28] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[23:18:57] <Duesentrieb>	KNRO: see the links TimLaqua posted
[23:19:07] <alnokta>	archivist, ah
[23:19:10] <Duesentrieb>	but keep in mind that its *intentionally* impossible per default
[23:19:11] <Skizzerz>	Duesentrieb: <span class="plainlinks">[http://path/to/page http://path/to/image.png]</span> does it if $wgAllowExternalImages is true :P, but an extension would be better and easier to use
[23:19:39] <Skizzerz>	(especially if said extension still contained a link to the metadata somehow...)
[23:19:54] <TimLaqua>	if you still want a link to metadata, use ImageMap.
[23:20:08] <Skizzerz>	because the desc icon is ugly?
[23:20:13] <Duesentrieb>	Skizzerz: ...huh, really? didn't think that a url in a link label would be parsed as a link. seems like a bug...
[23:20:40] <TimLaqua>	Skizzerz: huh?
[23:22:18] <Skizzerz>	TimLaqua: if you know the full URL path to the image and $wgAllowExternalImages is true, then you can use <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.example.com http://www.example.com/image/image1.gif]</spam> to make image1.gif link to www.example.com
[23:22:58] <Skizzerz>	*</span>
[23:23:16] <TimLaqua>	ya, I got that part - you said something about the desc icon being ugly - not sure what you meant.
[23:23:26] <Skizzerz>	oh
[23:23:47] <Skizzerz>	well, if you're trying to link a small image via imagemap, the desc icon that links to the metadata can be a bit overwhelming
[23:23:55] <TimLaqua>	oh, ya.
[23:24:41] <multichil>	Anyone on my stats question? I seem to be missing something......
[23:25:34] <Skizzerz>	i really don't know... but my guess is that it's counting the deleted images/thumbnails or something in the second query
[23:25:59] <Skizzerz>	(or counting old revisions of images)
[23:26:39] <Duesentrieb>	multichil: the stats can be off a bit, they are not desigend to be accurate. i don't know the discrepancy happens in your case.
[23:28:44] <gangleri>	Hi all! is http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload broken with Opera ??
[23:29:29] <gangleri>	I clicked on many gaddets in special:Preferences for the user:i18n account
[23:29:44] <multichil>	Duesentrieb : At the en wikipedia the it's 755436 vs 763995. I wonder if i can get a negative amount of images :P
[23:30:00] <Duesentrieb>	if you try hard enough :P
[23:30:21] <multichil>	Already deleted 5000 last month
[23:30:43] <CIA-40>	03nikerabbit * r28763 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: * Name collision with authors
[23:31:15] <alnokta>	is ext:translate the one used on betawiki?
[23:32:16] <Nikerabbit>	yes
[23:32:51] <MamaLoca>	03Is there someplace to get prewritten help files to import into my Mediawiki install?
[23:37:08] <Duesentrieb>	MamaLoca: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents
[23:37:37] <Duesentrieb>	MamaLoca: read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Copying
[23:39:30] <MamaLoca>	03KK
[23:45:01] <LC-Stratics>	A bit of a n00b question, is there any good guides on how to optimize a mediawiki for heavy usage on fairly powerful server? (Quad Xeon, 8 Gb RAM, SCSI RAID)
[23:46:23] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28764 10/trunk/extensions/ (43 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2007-12-21 23:45 CET)
[23:47:06] <AzaTht>	Ok, I might have found a way to solve the image scaling/thumbnailing memory problem
[23:47:26] *Skizzerz 	shifts to edge of seat
[23:48:12] <Duesentrieb>	LC-Stratics: most optimizations involve more then one server :) but for a single box, i would say, use a php bytecache. definitely. maybe also try using memcached, but that might not help you much with a single box.
[23:48:40] <Duesentrieb>	LC-Stratics: enable caching of system messages, and perhaps also keeping session data in ram.
[23:48:41] <LC-Stratics>	Well, its planned to run 3 of those servers
[23:48:43] <AzaTht>	you think I should proceed with a patch?
[23:48:49] <Duesentrieb>	(don'Ät ask me the details, i have never really done that stuff)
[23:49:49] <Duesentrieb>	LC-Stratics: 3 identical servers? bad idea... makes more sense to have two squids in front and a backed (for a mostly-read wiki), or apacke + master-db + slave-db if you have a lot of edits.
[23:50:17] <Duesentrieb>	but what setup is ideal for you i really can't tell - there are lots of parameters in that equation, and i don't have much experience :)
[23:50:25] <LC-Stratics>	The servers are only identical in hardware, heh.
[23:50:45] <LC-Stratics>	Only one is set up for the wiki and web pages atm.
[23:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	well, for heavy use, don't put the db on the same box as the web server
[23:51:45] <LC-Stratics>	Yeah, its going to be moved off as traffic increases
[23:51:49] <Duesentrieb>	for the third... may be a squid, or may be a db-slave. or perhaps a second webserver. not sure which is best :)
[23:52:19] <Duesentrieb>	if you don't use a squid up front, look into using file-cache, if you have many reads and few edits
[23:52:53] <Duesentrieb>	(i just learned that wmf serves >95% of all hits from the squids... cool.)
[23:54:19] <LC-Stratics>	Thanks, thats at least a start :) Know of any actual guides on the subject?
[23:54:36] <Duesentrieb>	nope.
[23:55:19] <Duesentrieb>	you can try to talk to mark, if he's not busy. he's the network wiz around here.
[23:55:45] <Duesentrieb>	LC-Stratics: generally: know all the options, keep an eye out for bottlenecks, fix them as they occur.