[00:06:24] 03siebrand * r28765 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (64 files): [00:06:24] Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-21 23:45 CET) [00:06:24] * new: ilo [00:10:48] 03(NEW) possible image thumbnailing restriction prevention - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12374 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (azatoth) [00:11:28] 03nikerabbit * r28766 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Restore previous behaviour [00:18:31] 03siebrand * r28767 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/Language/ (23 files): [00:18:31] * cleanup message files FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.*.php [00:18:31] * adding author information where available (from Betawiki) [00:18:59] any developerii around? [00:32:27] 03(mod) Create ms.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12353 (10tarmiziaffandi) [00:43:35] 03nikerabbit * r28768 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Not supposed to set definition here [00:59:13] Ramosa, how is your proverbs going? [00:59:26] not too good [00:59:33] :( [00:59:55] why? no enough interst? [01:00:34] i think it's too hard to figure out how to edit [01:01:37] ah, it is for many people, besides the nature of wiki itself [01:02:54] i'll wait and see if something more intuitive pops up :) [01:03:01] like the thing from google... [01:03:08] knol [01:04:52] i don't know if that happens in other places, but as i noticed from friends, they browse wp but never came to their minds that they can add stuff, thinking its closed or the owner will never accept their writing... [01:05:13] right [01:05:42] but also once you start editing... the syntax is not human friendly [01:07:17] ye [01:15:11] 03(mod) formulas sometimes not shown in offline/ saved-to-disk version of an article - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12368 (10orangevolker) [01:46:33] Okay, stupid question time... I'm trying to configure mw:sidebar urls, but have brackets that I can't get rid of on one link. I've done this before but those brackets won't go. What am I missing? [01:48:34] I've checked the .js, mw:sidebar, portal-url... and still there. [01:51:39] just omit the brackets? they aren't needed [01:51:53] ** Foo|Bar in sidebar code is like [[Foo|Bar]] in wikicode [01:51:58] right... that's what I'm trying to do... but they won't go [01:52:08] ** http://google.com|Google in sidebar code is like [http://google.com Google] in wikicode [01:52:21] pastebin? [01:57:19] more sidebar troubles? [02:09:38] http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Markedaspatrolledtext&action=edit [02:09:45] Splarka: can you delete that [02:10:50] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Viewprevnext is messed up too [02:13:27] where are the special page queries stored? [02:17:22] AaronSchulz: MediaWiki:Viewprevnext is there because of a bug report [02:17:33] it is not 'messed up', it is called inconsistently [02:17:44] some Special pages use it as a parsed wikicode/html, some don't [02:18:18] see http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11454 [02:18:54] I'm having trouble getting the arguments in a template to work - http://www.appropedia.org/Template:PD_source and a couple of debugging notes on that page - is this the right place to ask? [02:19:50] *Splarka deletes the other one [02:21:16] Chriswaterguy: this is the right place to ask. what's the issue. looks fine to me. [02:21:26] *MZMcBride forgot a question mark [02:24:32] MZMcBride: when the first argument contains an external link it doesn't work -the second argument is being inserted where the first argument should go. [02:24:37] Chriswaterguy: probably the equals sign [02:24:39] try 1= [02:25:12] {{templatename|parameter=value|parameter=value}} [02:25:31] if there is no equals sign between pipes, the parameters are numbered starting at one, but if there is an equals sign, everything to the left of the sign is the name of the parameter [02:25:42] so having a URL with a = in it screws up the numbering [02:26:03] so this should work: {{PD source|1=[http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/database/overview.cfm?projectid=82 Buildings Database: Overview - Cambridge Cohousing] - [[EERE]] (Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy), U.S. Department of Energy|2=http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/database/queryhelp.cfm}} [02:26:05] Splarka: ahhh never seen that form before. Thanks! [02:26:10] *Chriswaterguy tries that [02:26:12] the easiest solution is to just give them names [02:26:33] hmm [02:26:33] eg: :''This page or section contains [[public domain]] content from {{{link}}}. (See the [{{{statement}}} Public domain statement].)'' [02:26:59] {{PD source|link=[http://foo bar]|statement=http://foo}} [02:27:00] Splarka: that's a great solution - easier for people to follow too [02:27:15] *Splarka nods [02:27:52] you could get cleverer too... [02:28:25] :''This page or section contains [[public domain]] content from {{{combinedlink|[{{{link}}} {{{linktext}}}]}}}. (See the [{{{statement}}} Public domain statement].)'' [02:28:56] then you could define either combinedlink=[http://foo bar] or link=http://foo and linktext=bar [02:29:58] AaronSchulz: How goes testing on der flaggedrevs? [02:31:58] tangent question tot he room: what would be better for a global JS variable at the top of page loads to indicate the watched or unwatched status of the page (for the logged in user only, so as to remove the need to scrape the screen for ca-watch/unwatch) -> wgWatched, wgIsWatched, wgPageWatched, or part of the wgAjaxWatch array like ("watched": true) ? [02:33:11] 03aaron * r28769 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Some patrol cleanup [02:33:56] Splarka: - that's working, many thanks! Not sure about the second version - lots of {{{ and }}} is a bit confusing for the eye, I find. [02:34:04] Ahhh... relief. Finally figured it out. [02:34:38] Splarka: btw I'll put an edited transcript of this convo on the talk page - presume that's okay? [02:34:46] Chriswaterguy: fair enough, that is just parameter defaults.. for example {{{1|''default''}}} would show the text "default" in italics if they omitted a parameter [02:35:03] chris: no prob for me (ask permission of anyone else you quote though) [02:35:45] well, this chan is publically logged, so maybe you don't need to... [02:35:57] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20071222.txt [02:37:18] cool, thanks! [02:40:25] Splarka: does wgAjaxWatch show when AJAX watchlist stuff is disabled? [02:40:41] if not, it should be a separate variable if there at all [02:40:47] anyway, flaggedrevs goes well [02:41:03] *AaronSchulz has his box restart while doing SVN up [02:41:16] ajaxwatch scrapes the screen on document load [02:41:18] it is quite silly [02:41:51] hookEvent("load", wgAjaxWatch.onLoad); [02:42:03] var el1 = document.getElementById("ca-unwatch"); [02:42:03] it does? [02:42:17] is actually loading the action=watch url? [02:42:33] it checks the id of the action button [02:42:39] I always thought it was requesting a URL that send back minimal streamlined data [02:42:44] and the modifies the onclick of that href [02:42:52] like "success" or "failure" [02:43:02] no, I mean, before you click it [02:43:10] it has to create the .onclick event on document load [02:43:35] see http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/ajaxwatch.js?102 [02:43:47] Oh my god its Splarka. [02:43:57] using getElementById for that isn't so bad then [02:44:16] aaron: sure, and necessary for modifying the link's onclick [02:44:28] but for checking if the document needs to be watched or unwatched, == lame [02:44:43] So, which one of you MediaWikiHeads would like to help me out with a problem I've got. [02:44:50] And I don't mean my face. [02:44:53] !ask | Zombiebaron [02:44:53] --mwbot-- Zombiebaron : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [02:44:55] zombie: display:none; [02:45:14] Splarka: Thanks. [02:45:24] the germans say it best: don't ask if you can ask, ask. [02:45:45] Also, the Uncyclopedia Main Page is not displaying properly and nobody is around to fix it. [02:45:47] AaronSchulz: the query was in reference to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Determining_whether_a_page_is_watched [02:45:56] http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:46:13] If anyone can figure out what's wrong, that would be super-dee-dooper. [02:46:33] *Splarka can't use Wikia because the JS is very annoying at the moment [02:46:51] Oh, is it temporary? [02:47:11] Because if the JS is only having problems for a short period, that could be the problem. [02:47:21] replace(/at the moment/,'') [02:47:21] Since the Main Page is mostly JS. [02:47:35] for the last 2 months [02:47:36] Har har har. I love JS humour. [02:47:55] Or whatever that was. [02:48:33] So, that's a "No, I can't help you, Zb.", eh? [02:49:02] http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page :) [02:49:36] Oh god. I hate that wikia skin. [02:49:40] wow... that looks horrible in monobook [02:49:45] or probably worse in quartz [02:50:00] *and [02:50:06] So, as I was saying... [02:50:17] http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User:ED [02:50:18] wtf [02:51:59] wikia's css is broken [02:52:01] http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Chaingun [02:52:03] wee [02:52:10] the error dialup is flooded with errors [02:52:23] err dialog [02:52:27] darkcode: Oh. [02:52:38] That might also the problem with Uncyclopedia's Main Page. [02:53:45] *Splarka is glad he doesn't have to fix that at the moment ^_^ [02:54:07] Zombiebaron: i imagine you tried #uncyclopedia ? [02:55:01] MZMcBride: Sir, I am an Uncyclopedia sysop. Yes, I did in fact try #uncyclopedia. They're talking about gay sex at the moment. And at most moments. [02:55:15] hehe [02:56:00] what's the issue? the monospaced font? [02:56:03] It was once funny. Now its just a royal pain in my royal ass. [02:56:26] I have a question. Is anyone around? Can anyone help? (Sorry, couldn't resist, LOL) [02:56:31] tried #wikia? assuming it exists... [02:56:34] !ask | Sasoriza [02:56:34] --mwbot-- Sasoriza : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [02:56:42] *Skizzerz couldn't either... [02:56:46] pain in your ass? hehe. nice pun. [02:56:53] darkcode: Yessir, #wikia was the second stop on my journey. This is my third. [02:57:05] MZMcBride: Glad you liked it. [02:57:14] Zombiebaron: tell me your issue [02:57:28] wait... the monospace on the main page WASN'T intentional? o.0 [02:58:18] MZMcBride: The Main Page of Uncyclopedia is displaying strange. It is far too wide, and it has that "you put a space at the front of a line of text" looky stuff. And its all y. You know. Technical terms. Bascially, its not looking right. [02:58:47] The stuff in the "Today's Featured Article" is basically what's wrong. [02:58:57] But that screws everything else up. [03:00:44] i'm looking right now... never seen such a retarded set-up. quite convoluted. [03:01:10] http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=269395 fun stuff [03:02:50] well it appears the tag is causing the issue [03:02:59] you can try removing it from http://uncyclopedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Featuredarticle/queue&action=edit [03:03:20] Unless you're.... <-- that one [03:05:39] Alright, I'll try that. [03:08:18] It worked! [03:08:25] Thank you MZMcBride. [03:08:28] no problem [03:09:30] I'd give you a big wet kiss or a silly award or something. [03:09:37] But instead I'll give you raw love. [03:09:47] There you go. [03:09:53] thanks [03:09:59] I hope it doesn't get lost in the mail. [03:10:13] "Windows does not know what to do with the file "love.raw", please select a program to associate this with" [03:10:15] And, on that note, I'm leaving this channel. [03:10:37] cya [03:10:38] Har har har. Nerd humour make'um Zb laugh. [03:10:41] :P [03:11:08] what a pleasant character [03:11:23] too bad he had to go ;) [03:11:29] uncyclopedians wot [03:11:46] *MZMcBride wonders how you become a sysop on uncyclopedia [03:12:27] a simple test, you prove you can ban, unprotect, and parallel park [03:12:36] heh [03:12:41] and a written test which is basically a game of 'connect the dots' [03:23:58] I thought you had to vandalize at least 1000 pages adding Oscar Wilde quotes [03:24:38] lol [03:24:42] while avoiding Flammable [03:31:00] 03(NEW) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20c?= =?UTF-8?Q?reation=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?upload=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12375 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [03:31:58] heh, i love when wikibugs tries to report bug titles that contain odd characters [03:32:16] it's even better when it tries to do Hebrew [03:35:25] 03(NEW) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20d?= =?UTF-8?Q?eletion=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20action?== =?UTF-8?Q?delete=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; () [03:36:20] 03(mod) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20c?= =?UTF-8?Q?reation=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?upload=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12375 (10gangleri) [03:53:42] 03(mod) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20d?= =?UTF-8?Q?eletion=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20action?== =?UTF-8?Q?delete=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 (10gangleri) [05:02:54] 03(NEW) Languages preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12377 15enhancement; normal; Wiktionary tools: General; (hippytrail) [05:14:29] hippietrail: how about an extension that basically cascades &uselang? [05:15:32] Splarka: i didn't think of uselang. it's for chosing the interface language whereas i'm thinking about the content languages [05:16:49] do you mean content language as in "wgContentLanguage" (which is in fact the site default interface language) or as in the language of the content? heh [05:17:03] {{ambiguation}} [05:17:10] no i mean all the content of the wiktionary sorry (-: [05:17:42] since wiktionaries have articles and translations of words in all languages but definitions and interface (headings etc) are only in the native language of the wiktionary [05:18:53] the English Wiktionary can be thought of as a combination of an English dictionary, a Spanish-English/English-Spanish dictionary, a German-English/English-German dictionary, etc [05:19:03] *Splarka nods [05:19:31] so many people might want to see only english articles, or only english articles and spanish articles [05:21:09] would anybody care to discuss native preferences vs cookie preferences? [05:22:10] i guess not (-: [05:32:32] 03(mod) Languages preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12377 (10hippytrail) [05:37:54] 03(mod) Languages preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12377 (10hippytrail) [05:45:33] if I'm adding a special page to my wiki, should I add its title to languages/Language.php, or can I do this in the SpecialFoo.php file itself? [06:42:48] 03(NEW) Move notify() and associated functions from preview. js to wikibits.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12378 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (voyagerfan5761) [06:51:52] 03(mod) Should be able to remove articles from regular watchlist view - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424 +comment (10voyagerfan5761) [06:55:12] 03(NEW) Temperature properties don' t display conversion for default Celsius - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12379 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info) [06:59:02] can anyone help me out ? [06:59:05] 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156 (10voyagerfan5761) [07:00:02] I am trying to make an interwiki in my wiki in Wikia .... does anybody know how to do that ? [07:40:48] 04(REOPENED) Live Preview chops returned text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11438 major->normal; +comment (10voyagerfan5761) [08:00:32] where in the source is the TOC generated for monobook? [08:03:08] probably skin.php [08:03:24] Splarka: some stuff seems to be in Linker.php \-: [08:03:40] {{sogrepit}} [08:04:05] not sure what to grep for. \ctoc matches too much [08:06:19] Linker.php :: tocList() isn't all of it [08:20:45] 03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145 +comment (10shinjiman) [08:56:03] re [09:15:45] morsning [09:16:06] can anybody confirm bug 11438? [09:17:44] Nikerabbit: last time I've used Live Preview it worked fine [09:17:54] But it was a week ago [09:28:22] Testing. [09:29:10] Using r28769 (current is r28770 but only languages updates). [09:29:40] Nikerabbit: How do I use live preview? [09:30:57] oh, got it [09:35:04] just turn it on on both places [09:35:29] Yeah, got it. Doesn't work in Opera 9.2 in any way. [09:35:37] so it's a browser issue? [09:36:05] I'm going to test in all of my other browsers (IE6, IE7, Fx 2, Fx 3, Safari 3, Opera 9.5) [09:36:11] works flawlessy in my firefox [09:36:20] We'll seee.... [09:38:19] and should in konqueror too, but I haven't tested recently [09:38:58] What is it acutally meant to do? I've pressed the live preview button but the preview isn't live... [09:39:38] It just updates in a funky way when I click the live preview button, is that the intention? [09:40:09] I didn't name it :) [09:40:14] it just fetches the preview using ajax [09:40:31] Nikerabbit: Oh, right. [09:40:43] I'll load a large ammount of data in and see what happens. [09:41:16] hmhm, I wonder if the re-opener had same misconception of what it should do [09:41:40] It works in opera now I know what it is meant to do. [09:43:22] And I can make it work on over 1,000,000 bytes of data (pi to a million digits). [09:43:59] So, no, I cannot confirm bug 28770. [09:44:32] minute: see the last comment [09:45:34] eh? [09:45:41] Yeah, I understand. [09:45:55] I had a similar misconception; I thought it would be more "live". [10:08:34] Hello. In the "Special: Mostimages" can be asked to display stickers on 5 columns rather than 4? If so what should we do? Thank you in advance for your answers [10:16:41] dcrochet: doesn't seem to be possible to do in the web interface [10:17:49] Ok, it is only possible with the tag if I understood. Thank you. [10:28:02] 03nikerabbit * r28771 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFi.php: * Updating aliases for fi [11:20:04] 03siebrand * r28772 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: [11:20:04] Localisation updates from Betawiki [11:20:04] * update namespace names, skin names and special page aliases [11:57:12] 03siebrand * r28773 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-22 12:25 CET) [12:15:06] Hello [12:20:06] 03siebrand * r28774 10/trunk/extensions/ (25 files in 22 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2007-12-22 12:25 CET) [12:31:53] Hello guys/gals. Is it appropriate to ask a captcha/PHP5 question in this room? [12:34:36] martyn_: if it is related to MediaWiki... [12:35:11] My apologies - did search for PHP and this was first room. Not appropriate.... sorry. [12:35:35] martyn_: no problem - but #php exists :) [12:35:51] so does #web [12:36:04] Found that room and am there now - OK, will try Web too. Thanks for advice. [12:36:13] have fun [12:36:37] deus? [12:39:16] Nikerabbit: yes? [12:39:54] + protected function preConvertPlural( Array $forms, $count ) { [12:40:10] is this valid PHP syntax? my php (5.0.4) doesn't seem to like the Array there [12:40:30] rainman-sr: yes, I thought someone fixed that... [12:41:55] 03nikerabbit * r28775 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Language.php: * Array as type hint is available only PHP 5.1 or later [12:42:02] rainman-sr: happy now? [12:43:22] yep, thanks [12:44:23] how can saving an edit take over 90M .... [12:44:32] there must be memory hole somewhere [12:45:05] it's so lovely to try to debug that.... [12:52:42] oops, i forgot to revise the join-on-connect list [13:22:53] hello [13:23:01] I would like to build a mediawiki with 3 languages [13:23:12] make three wikis [13:23:16] I heard about wiki farm, but don't undersand how it works [13:23:16] !family [13:23:16] --mwbot-- To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see [13:23:25] Duesentrieb: is the way? make 3 wikis? [13:23:42] yes, 3 wikis. you don't have to use 3 separate installs though [13:23:56] ok [13:24:51] Blackhold: follow the link, look at the "Quick Setup" section (the other sections detail other ways to do it). read up on sharing user accounts and media files, and on setting up interwiki links. [13:24:52] then, gonna install a new mediawiki [13:24:57] hm? [13:25:27] I'm gonna mount an event in a northern catalonia region [13:25:30] in july [13:25:40] if someone wants to come [13:25:51] to make some conference, you are invited :) [13:47:47] 03(mod) Colon functions: undefined parameter (default) values clobbered - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678 (10voyagerfan5761) [13:49:26] 03(mod) Add marker that forces a template to be always substituted - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2003 +comment (10voyagerfan5761) [14:03:01] join #helpwiki [14:23:23] so, any mediwikius developerius magnificus around? [14:33:24] somebody french speaking here ? [14:40:34] 03rotem * r28777 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiUnblock.php: Fix typo. [15:13:34] 03(NEW) Bot-friendly EditPage::spamPage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12380 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (semenik) [15:13:37] 03vasilievvv * r28778 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): * (bug 12380) Bot-friendly EditPage::spamPage [15:15:38] *Reedy_Boy huggles VasilievVV :) [15:18:22] 03(FIXED) Bot-friendly EditPage::spamPage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12380 +comment (10vasilvv) [15:48:09] 03siebrand * r28779 10/trunk/extensions/Todo/ (SpecialTodo.i18n.php SpecialTodo.php): [15:48:09] Localise a message [15:48:09] Submitted by: Betrand Grondin [16:23:10] 03(NEW) Editing not working, or rather: working with exceptions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12381 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (jasper) [16:24:38] funny story: primary wiki, ~4500 articles, ~32000 revisions, mysqldump: 136M -- poc wiki for a college class (4 month project), ~120 articles, ~3500 revisions, mysqldump: 329M!!! [16:26:43] basically, 200% of the on-disk size, but 10.9% of the revisions - yikes. [16:51:38] What about creating universal autopromoting system that will allow us to give out users flags if they matches specified criterias? [16:58:14] VasilievVV: kinda like the autoconfirm [16:59:08] Betacommand: yes. I'm working on $wgAutopromote config variable: [16:59:14] http://pastey.net/79399-14rw [17:00:24] then we can enable rollback for all users with 10,000+ edits [17:00:39] yes [17:01:04] that would make my life a hell of a lot easier [17:01:30] *Betacommand has to use javascript hacks for rollback [17:05:12] Sounds like a good idea to me [17:06:04] !e Automatic Groups | Betacommand [17:06:04] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Automatic [17:06:08] bah [17:06:14] !e Automatic_Groups [17:06:14] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Automatic_Groups [17:06:39] Betacommand: check that out... it'll let you do that rollback thingy :) [17:07:27] that seems like the code for what VasilievVV is doing has already been done in a way.. [17:07:56] I think that should be in the core [17:08:03] yes... but if it was supported in core it would be much better [17:08:19] yup [17:08:20] true [17:08:43] it's just that we can use the extension until the core patch is ready for implementation [17:10:09] Skizzerz: it is [17:10:31] ok... then what are we waiting for? ;) [17:11:01] Permission from Brion? [17:11:08] ah, that would make sense :) [17:23:35] 03(mod) Kazakh i18n updates for extensions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971 (10alefzet) [17:30:21] So many Kazakh updates, barely ever see other languages. Makes me wonder. [17:54:20] 03nikerabbit * r28780 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateTasks.php: * Really fix review [18:19:47] is there any function that lets you test whether the current user can perform an action on a particular page? [18:21:01] Skizzerz: Title::userCan [18:21:07] ah, thanks [18:34:13] hi brion_ :) [18:35:57] Umm, hello :D [18:37:01] 03raymond * r28781 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDe.php: Update German. Some email clients seems to decode German "Umlaute" strange and send a wrong URL to the browser. [18:40:35] Would anyone know of a great discussion board for MediaWiki Admins? [18:41:30] Would be cool if there was a forum out there for discussing design and whatnot. An "active" one that is. ^^ [18:42:46] *looks around* Is anyone out there? *nervously shakes flashlight* [18:43:18] Schot, if someone did, they would've answered [18:43:20] probably [18:43:44] o_0 someone brokded the bot [18:44:21] Man, it's just so hard to find a source of activity related to MediaWiki... o.O [18:44:23] On ImagePage.php (1.11), if I remove the Xml elements and the table HTML from the history list, will it still return the history? [18:45:40] Schot: It's just slow. Holiday time maybe. Some days this board is electrified. [18:45:57] 03tlaqua * r28782 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (deleteOldRevisions.inc deleteOldRevisions.php): * Added support for an optional list of page_ids to delete old revisions from (rather than *all* revisions all the time) [18:45:57] Ah ok. That's good news then. :) [18:46:02] electrified indeed [18:46:04] I was a little worried, haha [18:46:44] I had guessed upon finding a link here that most of the Mediawiki activity would be here. [18:46:55] it is [18:46:56] TimLaqua: I tried your java. Can't seem to make it work. [18:47:09] really? publicly available wiki? [18:47:13] yeah [18:47:22] paste a link [18:47:38] Oh, no; I'm too embarrassed for anyone to see it, lol [18:47:44] lol [18:47:51] them PM it. ;-) [18:48:40] Ok... Well I guess I'll shoot out my question and see what could be said. [18:49:16] I'm having trouble with my wiki skin in that the watery banner at the top does not display in IE6 [18:49:27] www.sacredwiki.org [18:49:29] TimLaqua: wait... was that for 1.9? [18:50:00] hmmm. http://www.sacredwiki.org [18:50:02] Sasoriza: I tested it on 1.12alpha - pry works fine on 1.11 - dunno about 1.9, I could take a look. I don't have a 1.9 wiki up [18:50:19] doesn't matter, I'm on 1.11... just wondered [18:51:14] Schot: displays fine on ie7 and ff2 - what doesnt' show in ie6? [18:51:23] no biggie, I'll see if I can mod Skizzerz' hack [18:51:29] The watery blue banner at top :( [18:51:33] yeah, that should work fine. [18:52:17] Been having nightmares with IE6 support... Ugh. [18:52:26] Sasoriza: did you switch the $wgOut method? I think that's what was causing it to display incorrectly [18:52:59] Schot: have you tried single quoting the background-image like: url('/path/to/somewhere/asdf.png') or noquotes like url(/path/to/somewhere/asdf.png) ? [18:54:07] Skizzerz: Actually it was displaying fine (with your hack). But I'm trying to get it on 1.11 now. [18:54:35] Hmmm, haven't tried that. I'll give that a go. I'm having a felling though that z-index isn't being executed properly by IE6. [18:54:43] can't figure out how to call it yet [18:55:01] mmm... wife says computer time is over. later. ;-) [18:55:12] pw, lol [18:55:16] haha, ok take care and thanks :] [18:56:27] Schot: IIRC, z-index should work on IE6... been a while since I did that tho [18:58:12] yeah, it does in fact, at least for me [18:58:30] who let the devs out of their room? [18:58:56] Oh z-index does work in IE6 [18:59:11] It just has it's own way of dancing in IE6, haha [18:59:57] It seems that having various differently positioned selectors is a prob for IE6 o.O [19:00:22] no surprise [19:01:33] I read a couple articles saying that there appears to be a "unique" logic when both absolute and relative selectors are in the same pot... [19:01:45] Can we just kill IE6? [19:02:51] I know all about it... know what you mean [19:02:54] Seriously... WebMasters of the world unite! Block IE6! haha [19:04:05] Well I suppose that's a long and tired battle. [19:05:11] I take it that's about a game? (I don't play many.) [19:06:02] o yep.. ok ic [19:06:13] My wiki? Oh yes, a pc game developed in Germany. Hack'n'slash style. We're gearing up for the new release. [19:06:21] Sasoriza: ok... did you repeat the directions for the hack? because once you updated, all those modifications were lost [19:06:25] 14(DUP) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20c?= =?UTF-8?Q?reation=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?upload=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12375 +comment (10brion) [19:07:07] 03(mod) Logs about watched pages should appear in the watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 (10brion) [19:07:09] Skizzerz: I saved 'em, haven't applied 'em yet... was looking for where to slip in the code or modify it [19:07:16] ah [19:07:21] 03(mod) Logs about watched pages should appear in the watchlist - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5546 (10brion) [19:07:24] should be the same places as last time [19:07:32] since it's a little different now [19:08:04] yeah, I got the spot, just not sure about the Xml [19:08:15] you shouldn't have to modify the added code at all [19:09:15] well, I mean, where to slip it in? because this $s = "\n

" . wfMsg( 'imghistory' ) . "

\n" . isn't return Xml::element( 'h2', array( 'id' => 'filehistory' ), wfMsg( 'filehist' ) ) [19:09:58] lemme check... [19:16:02] I'm also wondering if I can strip that table HTML out of there without causing a problem [19:16:05] Sasoriza: ok... what was the name of the MediaWiki message that it was stored to? [19:16:13] Imagenotice [19:16:15] ok [19:16:54] then, try adding $wgOut->addWikiText( wfMsg(imagenotice) ); on the line before the $wgOut->addHTML( $s ); line and see if that works [19:30:26] yep, that works... thanks again! [19:33:18] np :) [19:33:48] Now a diff. kind of question: How do I hide my db admin name from the parse cache text showing up in the page source? [19:34:12] huh? it's shown? [19:34:36] yeah... weird [19:34:50] not visibly, but it's in the page source code [19:36:17] "Saved in parser cache with key (adminname)_wikidb-mw_:pcache:idhash:...." [19:37:03] Sasoriza: a) don't use your admin name as your table prefix :) [19:37:13] and/or b) set the cache key name differently from default [19:38:02] hmm [19:38:07] wfMemcKey has that hardcoded. :P annoying :D [19:40:18] wow... I was trying to test out a security fix with protected pages only to realize that I was testing out the wrong page >_> [19:40:56] Hi... Could anyone help me with texvc in a Windows environment? [19:41:44] brion: I meant introduce configuration variable like http://pastey.net/79399-14rw [19:45:13] yay... now I'm getting error messages. so, how do you test the current protection level of a page? [19:46:09] wait... nvm, found it [19:46:27] 03nikerabbit * r28783 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/Language.php): [19:46:27] * Convert spaces to underscores instead of breaking mysteriously [19:46:27] * (bug 8066) Spaces can't be entered in special page aliases [19:51:02] hell, I can't figure out how to insert a timestamp in irc :) [19:52:53] Brion: How to set the cache key name differently? [19:53:11] Sasoriza: may have to tweak wfMemcKey in GlobalSettings.php, thought there was already a config setting for that [19:53:16] check in bugzilla if there's an existing patch [19:55:35] 03(FIXED) Spaces can't be entered in special page aliases - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8066 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [19:56:22] 03(CLOSED) Bug in includes/Title.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12314 (10bertrand.grondin) [19:57:32] brion: I meant moving functions of extension like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Automatic_Groups to the core [19:57:58] 03(mod) Localise first day of the month in French and other languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10959 (10bertrand.grondin) [19:58:13] Hello [20:10:52] hey is there some extension that makes it possible to avoid case sensitivity when looking up pages [20:11:06] for example, have /wiki/This_Page be the same as /wiki/this_page ? [20:11:26] use search? [20:12:06] no because I'm using interwiki links, so I've created stuff on other CMSes that makes it easy to link to wiki pages by just supplying the page name, but users won't always know the certain cases of the letters [20:12:31] for example some might type Game_FAQ which is the correct form but others might do game_FAQ, I still want it to work [20:12:50] If they have to look up the cases then it defeats the purpose of making it easy to link to the wiki pages [20:15:12] guess not [20:17:02] have it link to Special:Search instead of the page itself [20:19:21] 03nikerabbit * r28784 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: [20:19:21] * Re-add removed offset and limit validation, could cause invalid queries [20:19:21] * Fixes bug 12350 [20:20:26] 03(FIXED) MySQL error possible via negative offset and limit on Special: Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12350 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:23:10] 03(mod) Live Preview chops returned text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11438 (10niklas.laxstrom) [20:38:36] 03(NEW) Change wiktionary NL logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12382 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Annabel) [20:40:47] 03(mod) Live Preview chops returned text - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11438 (10voyagerfan5761) [21:08:13] 03(FIXED) Custom Names.php can't be used since 1.10.0 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12216 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [21:09:33] Is there a map somewhere of what calls what? [21:37:26] (^^,) [21:37:26] ←( : )→ Happy Holidays! From qsheets [21:37:26] (_._) [21:40:28] qsheets: nice :) [21:41:11] thx [21:41:43] *qsheets likes making snowmans [21:45:58] <[CodeWiki]Loki> hey, i need to change Namespace ID's in phpmyadmin, what values am I after? (Done it once, but forgotten) [21:46:36] [CodeWiki]Loki: a lot of places use those... [21:47:04] [CodeWiki]Loki: actually, all the fields you need to change should be called something_namespace - look for that in every table... [21:47:25] <[CodeWiki]Loki> well, i need to change them...? when i did it last time all ineeded to do was to change one value per namespace in the database [21:47:53] very unlikely. [21:48:05] all references to pages are stored as namespace/title pairs [21:48:26] so if you change the namespace id, you need to change every entry that uses it. [21:48:38] hm... wait... do you actually want to change the numeric id? [21:48:47] or do you want to *rename* the namespace? [21:48:58] <[CodeWiki]Loki> no, dont need to rename them, just change the numeric ID [21:49:06] renaming is simple [21:49:08] <[CodeWiki]Loki> cuz some of them werent even numbers, so discussion pages got fucked up.. [21:49:10] chnaging the id is pretty hard [21:49:16] uh... [21:49:29] there weren't even numbers? then tey are not in the database [21:49:34] <[CodeWiki]Loki> dont know what to tell you, but we changed the ID numbers on half of our namespaces in 3 minutes last time [21:49:39] the database can't stoire non-numeric namespace ids. [21:50:18] <[CodeWiki]Loki> non-numeric? I do believe 103 is a numeric number? But its not devidable by two, and thats how Mediawiki seperates discussion-pages and such [21:50:37] well, if you did it in 3 minutes last time, you probably simply forgot about most places, and by that broke references in the database, effectively corrupting your database. [21:51:12] [CodeWiki]Loki: oh, i mi-sinterpereted "weren't even numbers" :) [21:51:33] <[CodeWiki]Loki> heh, well, again, i dont know all we did, because i only did one part, but yeah, after 3-5 minutes everything was changed and fixed, and all content was working perfectly.. [21:52:04] and all i can tell you is this: namespace ids are used in a lot of places. [21:52:27] <[CodeWiki]Loki> yeah, but if changed in the right database table, it will adjust automatically (or so i think) [21:52:35] > grep -c _namespace tables.sql [21:52:35] 34 [21:52:50] so, you have to updated data in 34 columns, it seems [21:53:35] ok, maybe only half that - the column is usually also mentioned in a key declaration [21:54:51] > egrep _namespace tables.sql | egrep -v " KEY | INDEX |-- " | wc -l [21:54:52] 13 [21:54:57] thirteen places [21:55:18] <[CodeWiki]Loki> hmm.. oh well, when i finally manage to get a hold of my friend, il let you know how we did it [21:55:24] and no, it will not adjust automatically [21:55:51] <[CodeWiki]Loki> cuz, again.. we did it quite quickly, me myself only changed one value per namespace, and everything was fine. Existing content worked perfectly [21:55:51] some may fix themselves when you run refreshLinks.php [21:55:54] not all, though [21:56:24] well, find the magic then. and share it. i'd be interested to learn about it [21:56:35] <[CodeWiki]Loki> now i remember! [21:56:44] <[CodeWiki]Loki> kinda.. at least.. [21:56:57] <[CodeWiki]Loki> what database table contains page-contents? [21:57:33] actual content is in the text table. but the page's meta data (including title and namespace) is in the page table. [21:57:43] <[CodeWiki]Loki> yeah, im in the page table. [21:57:44] this would of course be the most important bit to fix [21:57:56] <[CodeWiki]Loki> and what i did was this: [21:58:10] if you change that, and run rebuildlinks, you probably have 80-90% consistency [21:58:20] <[CodeWiki]Loki> i took all the pages that were assigned namespace ID 103, and changed them to 140 and did the same change in LocalSettings.php [21:58:21] entries in recentchanges, logs, etc, will still be broken [21:59:48] [CodeWiki]Loki: if you do what you said, your wiki will "work" in so far as you can access pages and follow links. but "whatlinks here" will be broken, "related changes", all logs, recentchanges, several special pages, etc etc... [22:08:17] 03(mod) Change wiktionary NL logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12382 +comment (10minuteelectron) [22:14:29] what's a good channel for discussing template functions? [22:15:36] and is there a map somewhere of what calls what? [22:17:46] ##mediawiki-template-functions ? :P [22:18:39] ##mediawiki-template-function-call-hierarchy :) [22:19:28] ##mediawiki-channel-of-intense-longness-in-its-name [22:23:09] hello [22:23:24] Is possible to change the Mediawiki:sidebar from the right [22:23:28] opz, left [22:23:32] ? [22:23:48] I would like to use Mediawiki:sidebar2 [22:24:02] for example [22:24:55] I'm trying to 3 wikis share same database [22:25:52] hi again [22:26:13] bye again? [22:27:34] hi [22:28:04] hi [22:28:16] Blackhold: hokd on to that connection... [22:28:22] yep [22:28:30] to many access points in my home [22:28:31] lol [22:28:56] did you read what I said before? [22:36:44] Blackhold: yes. well... a second sidebar is tricky. you'll have to hack the skin, and find out wher the magic code is that generates the sidebar from the system message. that is a very special hack. [22:36:56] Blackhold: about sharing a database - what exactly do you mean by that? [22:37:21] Duesentrieb: I have skin commented :P [22:37:24] I'm hacking it! [22:37:33] 0wn3d >:) [22:37:35] if i wanted to make 500,000 edits to a local mediawiki install and then 10,000 daily after that what's my best bet? [22:37:42] Duesentrieb: users [22:37:46] I have 3 wiki [22:37:52] bakert: learn to type fast? [22:38:00] heheh [22:38:00] there is some information I want share [22:38:07] Blackhold: there's an option to share the user database. [22:38:08] i have the wiki markup being produced from a prorgram [22:38:13] to not have to type it 3 times [22:38:17] i just need a fast way to put it in the db [22:38:21] Blackhold: and there is an option for interwiki transclusion of templates [22:38:22] pywikipedia is too slow [22:38:24] and interwiki links [22:38:32] !farm | Blackhold [22:38:32] --mwbot-- Blackhold: To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see [22:38:38] that should have all the links, i hope [22:38:56] bakert: can you run a script on the webserver? [22:39:03] what I have now is [22:39:09] Duesentrieb: i have total control over the webserver [22:39:12] 3 wikis, ca, es, en in 3 different folders [22:39:23] if that doesn't sound too mad :) [22:39:34] and then through localsettings.php are sharing databases [22:39:45] my very favorite option would be some kind of ruby api [22:39:49] but i am flexible :) [22:39:51] but left one menu is shared [22:39:57] i just fear going direct into the db [22:40:02] and messing everything up [22:40:06] although maybe i need to do that [22:40:14] Mediawiki:sidemenu [22:40:35] how I can put option to share users db? [22:40:53] Blackhold: read the manual. [22:40:58] (i gotta go) [22:41:25] bakert: read upo on exporting/importing dumps. the dump format is a simply xml warpper around wiki text. simpyl have your script generate that, and import it. [22:41:35] thanks Duesentrieb will do [22:41:42] brilliant [23:01:25] 03(NEW) wikibooks logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12383 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raffaelemac) [23:05:49] 03(mod) wikibooks logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12383 +comment (10wim_c_b) [23:06:55] 14(DUP) the namespace=6 (image) =?UTF-8?Q?=20filter=20at=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Recentchanges=20=C2=BB=20shou?= =?UTF-8?Q?ld=20include=20the=20page=20d?= =?UTF-8?Q?eletion=20events=20from=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20action?== =?UTF-8?Q?delete=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12376 +comment (10brion) [23:10:27] 03(mod) wikibooks logo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12383 +comment (10minuteelectron) [23:21:13] hello [23:21:51] i'm french and i have a question on an english sentence, someone's here ? [23:26:26] 03nikerabbit * r28785 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (SpecialTranslationChanges.php Translate.i18n.php): * Optimise for speed and memory [23:43:21] hola [23:44:58] hola hola [23:47:12] hello [23:47:17] anybody there? have a short question [23:47:51] do ask... [23:49:53] *darkcode hopes its not "what are you going to do tomorrow brain?" [23:51:57] darkcode: that should be "What are we going to do tonight, Brain?" no? [23:52:47] As long as it's not "Where do you want to go today?".... [23:54:09] "what are we going to do tomorrow, Brain?" actually [23:54:11] I have mediawiki 1.11.0 [23:54:13] The Problem is the following: If I insert "Sanittsdienste" into the searchbox (with "") and click on search, the atricel is found, but if I click on "articel" do directly open the articel, I get some error that the articel could not be found and that the title is invalid... [23:57:05] darkcode: google sais: "tonight" :) [23:57:31] teaa: sounds like something odd is happening to the url you request. maybe something related to rewrite rules, or some strange webserver setup. [23:57:48] with previous versions, it worked pretty good [23:58:12] that's... odd. can you give me a link to your wiki? [23:58:19] the url looks like: [23:58:25] index.php?title=Sanit%25C3%25A4tsdienst [23:58:29] an *actual* link [23:58:32] so i can play with it [23:58:34] hm, it's a private one so I cannot, sorry :( [23:58:46] I would have to remove all auth methods from the code :( [23:58:50] then you'll have to fix it yourself :) anyway, that url is wrong [23:59:02] yeah but it's the url when submitting the form [23:59:07] what's wrong about it? [23:59:10] probably due to wgUsePathInfo if I had to guess [23:59:12] ä should get turned into 3%A4 [23:59:29] darkcode: i thought so. but he is showing an ugly url. no pathinfo involved [23:59:42] err. damn color codes