[00:08:40] <LaggyNewbie>	any one know a thing or two about the wiki-wide recent changes rss feed?
[00:11:59] <qsheets>	TimLaqua_away: http://alpha.adambots.gotdns.org/index.php/Calendar and go to November
[00:12:43] <qsheets>	each day with text in it is supposed to be only one event
[00:23:56] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28912 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.i18n.php: spelling error
[00:26:34] <wikibugs>	hi
[00:26:41] <wikibugs>	hmmmmmm
[00:27:02] <rycar>	how do I prevent people who are not logged in from reading page history?
[00:30:19] <Splarka>	rycar: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Other_restrictions
[00:30:27] <rycar>	thanks!
[00:30:46] <Splarka>	apparently that can't even be done via extension
[00:31:34] <Splarka>	you'd probably have to add an isAllowed() check to phase3/includes/PageHistory.php, and invent a new user right
[00:31:53] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['viewhistory']           = true;
[00:31:58] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['viewhistory']           = false;
[00:32:01] <rycar>	wgRestrictionTypes lets you specify actions, and history is an action
[00:32:11] <rycar>	oh wait I see
[00:32:45] <rycar>	I only need anonymous users to not have access to it
[00:33:00] <Splarka>	"if( $wgUser->isAllowed( 'viewhistory' ) )" then...  display the history page
[00:33:14] <Splarka>	right, anonymous = '*', and logged in users = 'user'
[00:33:26] <Splarka>	messy
[00:48:40] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Method to avoid namespace conflicts - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12404  +comment (10brion)
[00:54:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category browser generates invalid XHTML nesting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12408  summary; +comment (10brion)
[01:05:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New variable {{SECTIONNAME}}, analogous to {{PAGENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12434 15enhancement; lowest; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jidanni)
[01:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create accounts by email vs. $wgEnableEmail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12417  (10brion)
[01:12:59] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Database error when trying to view a Special: page without read permission - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12418  +comment (10brion)
[01:13:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Loading a special page fails when the option read is set to false for anonymous users . - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11668  +comment (10brion)
[01:20:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Unknown issue with category determination with conditional templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12420  (10brion)
[01:25:38] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Spam log showing above all pages, plus "Warning: Cannot modify header information" etc - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12432  +comment (10brion)
[01:33:45] <twincest>	You appear to have saved a web page showing the revision history from the
[01:33:45] <twincest>	source code repository as 'SpamBlacklist.php' instead of saving the actual
[01:33:45] <twincest>	code.
[01:33:49] <twincest>	this user wins ;D
[01:47:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Unknown issue with category determination with conditional templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12420  (10voyagerfan5761)
[01:54:11] <trent>	I am thinking about starting a cooperative science fiction world building site.
[01:54:56] <trent>	and I am looking a MediaWiki as the engine, would it work well?
[01:55:20] <Skizzerz>	well, it depends
[01:55:46] <trent>	world building has a lot in common with encyclopedias
[01:55:46] <Skizzerz>	while MediaWiki is great for collaborations, you don't have control over approving edits before they go live
[01:56:15] <trent>	so people can spam with porn?
[01:56:30] <Splarka>	well, you can use a flagged revisions extension, a-la http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs
[01:56:50] <trent>	no control before going live may not be a big problem baring vandalism.
[01:56:50] <Skizzerz>	true
[01:57:16] <Skizzerz>	trent: there are many tools that exist (both default and in extensions) that give you control over the content after it's live though
[01:58:38] <trent>	it will start on a virtually hosted website, so it remains to be seen how many extentions they will plug in.
[01:59:14] <Skizzerz>	installing most extensions only requires access to the installation directory
[01:59:58] <TimLaqua_away>	qsheets: http://alpha.adambots.gotdns.org/index.php/Calendar - look at November again.  The way he has the code, if you have more than one section (using == ... ==) notation, it things they're multiple appointments.  Additionally, he's only looking for ==...==, and not handling other heading levels (like ===...===) which is why you're getting crazy results.
[02:00:15] <trent>	I am more concerned with how sci-fi world building differs from encyclopedias.
[02:01:04] <Skizzerz>	encyclopedias are NOT the only use for MediaWiki, you can use it for whatever purpose you want, although some things may be better off elsewhere (eg, don't try to make an MMORPG out of MediaWiki -- it won't work all that well)
[02:02:43] <darkcode>	there are other sci-fi building websites that mediawiki already
[02:02:52] <darkcode>	err that use mediawiki
[02:02:58] <trent>	cite?
[02:03:52] <trent>	please.
[02:05:55] <darkcode>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[02:06:05] <Skizzerz>	darkcode: that's an encyclopedia ;)
[02:06:22] <Skizzerz>	http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page is the fan fiction site for that
[02:06:26] <darkcode>	http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ;p
[02:06:52] <Skizzerz>	or that ;)
[02:07:27] <Splarka>	http://conworld.wikia.com/
[02:07:46] <trent>	no shortage.
[02:09:02] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28913 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: 
[02:09:02] <CIA-40>	Query file object directly for isMultiPage() and pageCount().
[02:09:02] <CIA-40>	Handler requires a file object now for isMultiPage(), as not all file types will have this universally.
[02:09:02] <CIA-40>	Avoiding the unnecessary backend drill-down is also a cleaner interface.
[02:09:02] <CIA-40>	svn hates me today, this is my third try committing this. :D
[02:09:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Species: The Awakening unaccessable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12435 major; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (erwin)
[02:09:38] <trent>	wiki looks like a promising tech for world building.
[02:09:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Species: The Awakening unaccessable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12435   +shell (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:10:00] <darkcode>	http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/Category:Fandom
[02:11:38] <trent>	coop world building suffers from sectarianism.
[02:12:16] <trent>	how can wiki tech cope with navigation and interpretation of a heterogenous corpus?
[02:13:25] <Skizzerz>	there are numerous features in MediaWiki that allow you to search pages (for example, you can get a list of pages that start with a certain prefix, or you can categorise similar pages)
[02:14:06] <trent>	philosophy might have the same issue.  members of different schools of thought.
[02:14:36] <Skizzerz>	oh, didn't quite understand what you meant then
[02:15:07] <trent>	well in sci-fi you have FTL folks and STL folks.
[02:15:22] <Skizzerz>	you can have different sections of a page for each opinion, or you can have one page per opinion, or you can develop your own guidelines
[02:15:54] <trent>	i'm thinking a page per opinion.
[02:16:36] <trent>	but you can't enforce that.
[02:17:04] <trent>	it's more a navigation issue.
[02:17:16] <trent>	also an issue of subcommunites.
[02:18:59] <Skizzerz>	trent: if you set out guidelines somewhere and link to them on your main page, most contributors will eventually follow them
[02:19:31] <darkcode>	you could also use a different namespace for each philosophy
[02:20:34] <Splarka>	you could also make a namespace protected from editing except by approved users, and redirect all potential collaborations to the talk pages
[02:22:32] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28914 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/createAndPromote.php): * (bug 12416) Fix password setting for createAndPromote.php
[02:22:58] <AaronSchulz>	brion: wo0t wo0t
[02:23:00] <trent>	the protection idea is a bit un-wiki.
[02:23:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) createAndPromote.php no longer makes passwords - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12416  +comment (10brion)
[02:23:35] <brion>	who let the bugs out
[02:23:38] <brion>	(woot woot woot)
[02:24:07] <trent>	can different schools create opt in namespaces without admin action?
[02:25:03] <AaronSchulz>	brion: don't forget mergehistory :D
[02:25:06] <Simetrical>	trent, namespaces are only configurable by editing the config file, generally, as with most configuration.
[02:25:19] <Simetrical>	trent, there may be extensions that change this, but I don't know if any work.
[02:26:49] <trent>	maybe it is not necessary for users to organize content.
[02:28:53] <trent>	no organization beyond the network of internal links.
[02:29:07] <Skizzerz>	you can have categories as well
[02:29:14] <Skizzerz>	which are collections of similar pages
[02:29:49] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28915 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserrights.php: Validate permissions on application. :)
[02:30:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Species: The Awakening unaccessable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12435  (10cbm)
[02:32:12] <trent>	categories sound quite useful.
[02:35:09] <trent>	do categories exist in the base product?
[02:35:18] <trent>	can users create them?
[02:35:30] <Simetrical>	trent, yes and yes.
[02:40:07] <trent>	thanks for the help.
[02:53:54] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28916 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserrights.php: Move input validation for groups changes up so the logging matches the actions performed
[03:27:14] <KemCab>	d
[03:27:19] <KemCab>	motd
[03:27:26] <KemCab>	hello?
[03:31:36] <qsheets>	TimLaqua_away: sorry for the late response
[03:32:25] <qsheets>	the events on the calendar are doing exactly what they shouldn't...they're following the redirects
[04:41:56] <CIA-40>	03shinjiman * r28917 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[04:41:56] <CIA-40>	* Update Chinese translations
[04:41:56] <CIA-40>	* Update Cantonese translations
[04:41:56] <CIA-40>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[07:03:42] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28918 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: 
[07:03:42] <CIA-40>	Work around regression in r28524: spewed PHP warnings due to mystery parameter added to a QueryPage subclass's constructor.
[07:03:42] <CIA-40>	Made it optional so updateSpecialPages.php doesn't barf when going through the list.
[07:13:47] <meithal>	hello
[07:15:16] <djevrek>	hi
[07:15:31] <meithal>	i checked everything, why does this post request on action=submit don't work ? http://paste.debian.net/45675
[07:15:53] <meithal>	(i even added the timezone delay for have exact wpStarttime)
[07:18:12] <meithal>	mediawiki reply with a preview page with <p><br /></p>, like it parsed void wpTextbox1 and found something in wpPreview
[07:20:45] <meithal>	pastebin is down ?
[07:22:23] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28919 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_WikiPage.php: Support for image thumbnails in queries
[07:26:34] <meithal>	ah, found it
[07:27:05] <meithal>	the Content-Type header must be forced to application/x-www-form-urlencoded
[07:29:40] <meithal>	not application/xml
[07:30:40] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28920 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Support JS-only linebreaks in tooltips, normal text-flow for non-JS clients.
[07:32:54] *Werdna 	peeps out
[07:33:42] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28921 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixes JS sorting in result tables for data with complex sorting schemes, e.g. for calendar dates.
[07:35:02] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28922 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Configurable support for string patterns in semantic queries (thanks to Thomas Bleher)
[07:36:55] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28923 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: Minor version increment
[08:04:33] <DP67>	Anyone using MW 1.11 having or had trouble with ImageMap and template parsing?
[08:05:42] <Splarka>	werdna: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Protecting_empty_pages
[08:10:57] <Werdna>	replied.
[08:16:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Service links not working in SMW1.0 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11895  (10mak)
[08:17:15] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  sorted tables sort dates alphabetically rather than chronologically - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10322  (10mak)
[08:22:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Deprecated "getPrefixedText()" function still used in Special: Browse - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12373  (10mak)
[08:22:53] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28924 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/SearchTriple/SMW_SpecialBrowse.php: Fixed Bug 12373
[08:35:29] <VasilievVV>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{:TFTP}}
[08:35:51] <VasilievVV>	Any ideas what happend to that code?
[08:36:15] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) refreshData.php and unifyProperties.php will not run - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12169  +comment (10mak)
[08:36:56] <Splarka>	what does parse do differently than action=render ?
[08:37:10] <VasilievVV>	Splarka: outputs metadata
[08:37:29] <VasilievVV>	I added sections to that metadata yesterday
[08:38:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Interwiki prefixes mistaken for property names (1.0RC2) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11925  (10mak)
[08:39:04] <Splarka>	mmm, meta
[08:42:00] <CIA-40>	03vasilievvv * r28925 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Parser.php ParserOutput.php): This should be array() by default
[08:51:00] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28926 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.i18n.php: spelling error
[08:52:13] <Splarka>	http://mostlyharmful.com/sign/
[08:54:16] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28927 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: use DBKey instead of Text
[09:21:14] <CIA-40>	03vasilievvv * r28928 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser_OldPP.php: Fix old parser
[09:34:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create namespaces for Lithuanian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12428  (10vpovilaitis)
[09:38:45] <vsbuffalo>	I screwed everything up and now I get a 'Error, Setup.php must be included from the file scope, after DefaultSettings.php'
[09:39:01] <vsbuffalo>	google doesnt return much - can someone tell me how to approach that one?
[09:39:14] <LeonWP>	Then include Setup.php from the file scope after DefaultSettings.php.
[09:39:23] <LeonWP>	Or just rollback.
[09:39:57] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28929 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDiq.php: Remove fallback to 'tr', fall back to default 'en'
[09:40:28] <vsbuffalo>	LeonWP: how do I do the first option?
[09:41:15] <LeonWP>	Don't. Just rollback.
[09:41:32] <vsbuffalo>	by dropping the tables and redoing the config?
[09:42:16] <LeonWP>	Well, what did you screw up? The source code?
[09:42:33] <vsbuffalo>	no just something with Locale-Settings
[09:42:45] <LeonWP>	The redo the config.
[09:42:49] <LeonWP>	Then.
[09:42:56] <BlaenkDenum>	anyone know if there's a way to insert text into a media wiki page using python?
[09:43:24] <Hojjat>	BlaenkDenum: Pywikipediabot does it
[09:43:32] <Hojjat>	ask more on: #pywikipediabot
[09:43:33] <BlaenkDenum>	thanks Hojjat 
[09:43:41] <Hojjat>	!pywikipediabot | BlaenkDenum
[09:43:41] --mwbot--	BlaenkDenum: I don't know anything about "pywikipediabot".
[09:43:52] *Hojjat 	slaps mwbot
[09:44:10] <BlaenkDenum>	:)
[09:45:53] <ennael>	hi
[09:47:04] <ennael>	I'm looking for a way to integrate google search tool in mediawiki. It works fine if I use result page provided by Google but does not work if I try to integrate result page in mediawiki page
[09:47:08] <ennael>	any idea ?
[09:48:05] <BlaenkDenum>	great, hojjat is gone
[09:48:18] <BlaenkDenum>	ennael: you see if there's an extension fo rhtat?
[09:49:02] <ennael>	seems there is one http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Custom_Search_Engine
[09:49:09] <ennael>	but even author is asking help on it :)
[09:49:33] <BlaenkDenum>	haha, sorry man no idea
[09:49:46] <ennael>	humpf ok...
[10:02:59] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28930 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (7 files): 
[10:02:59] <CIA-40>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 11.00 CET)
[10:02:59] <CIA-40>	* added: Moksha (mdf)
[10:06:21] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28931 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Temperature.php: Fix to Bug 12379.
[10:08:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Temperature properties don' t display conversion for default Celsius - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12379  +comment (10mak)
[10:09:49] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28932 10/trunk/extensions/ (11 files in 8 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 11.00 CET)
[10:25:22] *djevrek 	00is Away, Reason: 14( 07grr 14) 14|00 Since: 14( 07Friday00, 07December 2800, 07200700.07 0700:072600:0711 14)07 Xlack 00v072.1
[10:27:00] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) query doesn' t return pages where object is in category namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12253  +comment (10mak)
[10:31:23] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) format="template" broken/buggy - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11896  +comment (10mak)
[10:35:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10robin_1273)
[10:52:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Deleting a page then undeleting loses the semantic information in the database - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12364  (10mak)
[10:54:02] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28933 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_GlobalFunctions.php SMW_Hooks.php): Restore semantic data when articles are undeleted.
[10:54:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) wiki text markup in attributes doesn't show in inline queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9334  +comment (10mak)
[10:56:07] <Werdna>	mak is killing the bugs..
[10:57:57] <agaran>	thats wrong?
[10:58:07] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Semantic template updates should be propagated to pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10936  summary; +comment (10mak)
[10:58:19] <Splarka>	one dead bug is a tragedy, a million dead bugs is a statistic
[10:58:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol
[10:59:04] *Werdna 	eats Splarka for finding rotem's bug.
[10:59:29] *Splarka 	gets et
[11:00:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't move page with &amp;amp; in it's name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12436 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (aik)
[11:05:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Urls to pages are not htmlspecialcharized - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12437 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList2; (aik)
[11:08:19] <VasilievVV>	Splarka: and 5000 dead bugs?
[11:08:52] *djevrek 	00is back 14(00 Away07 43 mins 30 secs 14)
[11:09:03] <Splarka>	my bug zapper
[11:09:24] *Splarka 	ews at djevrek's ugly multichannel afk spam with colors
[11:09:33] <djevrek>	Splarka, :)
[11:09:36] <djevrek>	stupid script
[11:10:10] <Splarka>	you're also using white text, which is a very common background color
[11:22:58] <Splarka>	re http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12436 just submitted, it works if you change the URL from Why_%26amp%3B_got_relaced to Why_%26amp%3Bamp%3B_got_relaced
[11:24:15] <MinuteElectron>	eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:24:19] <MinuteElectron>	eh sorry
[11:26:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't move page with &amp;amp; in it's name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12436  (10herd)
[11:27:18] <twincest>	djevrek: please disable public aways here
[11:27:29] <djevrek>	twincest, fine :)
[11:44:38] <millosh>	is there some statistics of wiki software used on internet?
[11:46:45] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis  for example?
[12:04:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "provides service" special property no longer links to Smw_service page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12438 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[12:11:51] <TimLaqua_away>	qsheets: The new guy made the Calendar extension follow redirects.  in Calendar::getArticleSummaryLink()
[12:15:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logo change for gn.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12439 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (a9502784)
[12:16:52] <re1>	Hi
[12:18:26] <re1>	Is there a config trick to make tables work with mixed (wiki/html) code ? Like "{| xxx <th>xxx</th> |}" This is working in Wikipedia but not in my installation : html is not rendered as tags...
[12:18:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Logo change for bcl.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12440 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (a9502784)
[12:19:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	!tidy | re1
[12:19:26] --mwbot--	re1: For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[12:20:48] <re1>	thanks Jack_Phoenix
[12:20:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[12:36:01] <Filnik>	Hello
[12:36:05] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[12:36:17] <dirk__>	is there any languge definition of the wikilangue, like a formal one?
[12:36:57] <Filnik>	mreow Nikerabbit :)
[12:39:13] <Dashiva>	dirk__: It's been on several todo lists for a long time
[12:43:33] <dirk__>	Thank you. I am working on conversion tool from wiki to latex. I feel I am running into a dead end somehow since I always keep adding work arounds for details my code does not consider properly. So I am considering to start all over using a more planned approch but a languge definition would be a necessary starting point
[12:46:27] <Dashiva>	dirk__: You might be better off writing a Parser clone :)
[12:46:30] *Wet-knacker 	slides neear the pole
[12:47:59] <dirk__>	So you propose to download the mediawiki source, and try to clone the parse from that code?
[12:49:39] <Dashiva>	Well, a complete clone might be overkill, but copying the execution path and parsing parts
[12:50:41] <dirk__>	I am not sure if a parser clone would do since the wikilanguage supports embedded html and I think the wiki parser wont parse it but rather pass it through to the browser, who parses and interprets it
[12:51:15] <dirk__>	and example would be the ''' or the <b> for bold font, which both have to be supported
[12:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) generateSitemap.php --fspath: add detalis - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12441 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Documentation; (jidanni)
[12:53:37] <Dashiva>	dirk__: In that case, won't you just end up doing html2latex anyhows?
[12:56:00] <dirk__>	unfortunatly is is not as simple as that
[12:56:28] <Filnik>	Hello
[12:57:41] <dirk__>	to start with. Images have to be scaled from the highest reolution available, with is (usually) not the one referred to in the html version, where the original wiki source referrs to the name of the image and thus the high resolution version
[12:58:24] <dirk__>	and there are many similar little nasty problems that can only be solved when starting from the original wiki source
[13:06:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the Lower Sorbian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12181  (10N/A)
[13:57:41] <Grondin>	Hi : I've a problem about language variable : does wgAllMessagesEn  variable exist now or was it deleted ?
[14:02:46] <Nikerabbit>	hasn't existed for  along time
[14:22:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page names are compared case insensitively within queries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11689  +comment (10mak)
[14:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database collation settings of SMW sometimes do not match MW's - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12059  +comment (10mak)
[15:11:51] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  Unknown issue with category determination with conditional templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12420  +comment (10voyagerfan5761)
[15:14:34] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28944 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: fix for IE
[15:41:45] <m0bscene>	Hello people, I'm in trouble and I need help from an expert.
[15:42:15] <m0bscene>	I'm running MediaWiki on www.lazarkomarcic.org.yu
[15:43:03] <m0bscene>	One of the authors has named a page wrong, it had a colon
[15:43:50] <m0bscene>	and turns out that he actualy created a page titled "index.php"
[15:44:13] <m0bscene>	now nobody can login or edit :)
[15:44:49] <m0bscene>	any advice?
[15:46:39] <m0bscene>	i'm gonna try to disable short url's and hope that gives me access to the right page...
[15:53:00] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28945 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_pingSemWeb.php: Support for pinging sindice
[15:53:00] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28946 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_pingSemWeb.php: Modified sindice POST URL
[15:53:00] <m0bscene>	yepp, that helped :)
[15:54:45] <m0bscene>	happy new year everybody! bye!
[15:54:52] <Skizzerz>	bye
[16:05:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image won't print - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12442 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (pinkballoon)
[16:06:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image won't print - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12442  (10pinkballoon)
[16:11:28] <Skizzerz>	hmm... shouldn't the MIME type be svg+xml, not just SVG?
[16:13:49] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Image won't print - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12442  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:13:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) librsvg workaround for black background on Firefox printing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4968  +comment (10Platonides)
[16:21:12] <Platonides>	Skizzerz, yes
[16:21:39] <Skizzerz>	hmm, then it appears the mime types of svg's are messed up on Commons
[16:22:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) librsvg workaround for black background on Firefox printing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4968  (10Platonides)
[16:27:55] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28947 10/trunk/extensions/ (14 files in 13 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 16.52 CET)
[16:36:10] <Filnik>	Hello
[16:41:51] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28948 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: various fixes for IE: setAttribute does not work for style elements (replaced by css) and lookahead not supported by javascript older than 1.5, so added one more regexp
[16:48:35] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28949 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: more var declarations, as suggested by tbleher
[16:53:47] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28950 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: forgot those ones
[17:17:20] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28951 10/trunk/extensions/ (11 files in 11 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 16.52 CET)
[17:21:34] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28952 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (11 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 16.52 CET)
[17:28:42] <jimbojw>	when you block a user, it also automatically blocks recently used IP addresses for that user, right?
[17:29:47] <CIA-40>	03vasilievvv * r28953 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser_OldPP.php: Fix variable name
[17:39:14] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28954 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/ (10 files in 2 dirs): 
[17:39:14] <CIA-40>	Major update by Bertrand Grondin
[17:39:14] <CIA-40>	* version 0.0.3
[17:39:14] <CIA-40>	* works with 1.12alpha
[17:39:14] <CIA-40>	* add i18n file
[17:55:35] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28955 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for Farmer
[17:56:00] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28956 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: fix for IE : more cssText assignments instead of setAttributes
[17:56:02] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28957 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Sprinkle a few optional and ignored messages in
[17:56:17] <Danny_B>	in which table the targets of redirects are stored?
[18:00:52] <VasilievVV>	What about supporting images-redirects?
[18:17:03] <gangleri>	saluton brion! http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/ ne sendas retmasagxojn kun forgesitaj pasvortoj
[18:22:49] <Filnik|dinnery>	Hello
[18:24:29] <maff>	is it possible to insert text via sql into an article without breaking anything?
[18:26:54] <BrokenArrow>	the text needs to be parsed and various metadata extracted, e.g. links to other pages, categories, templates, etc.
[18:27:55] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28960 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Move 2 messages from ignored to optional
[18:27:55] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28959 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAst.php: Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 18.55 CET)
[18:27:55] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28958 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2007-12-28 18.55 CET)
[18:28:05] <BrokenArrow>	this is then inserted into the relevant tables, so unless you refresh all links after each insert, you will tet inconsistencies in the DB
[18:29:02] <CIA-40>	03mkroetzsch * r28961 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_QP_Embedded.php: More conservative checks to prevent recursion with "embedding" result printer.
[18:29:02] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28963 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: bump version number
[18:29:02] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28962 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update magic words
[18:54:43] <VasilievVV>	How to check image for existance?
[18:55:42] <VasilievVV>	oh, i fouund
[19:05:52] <KemCab>	I am having SERIOUS problems with my wiki.
[19:06:02] <KemCab>	Someone is spamming it constantly.
[19:06:28] <VasilievVV>	!e SpamBlacklist
[19:06:28] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
[19:06:36] <robla_>	welcome to running mediawiki
[19:06:42] <Duesentrieb>	actually...
[19:06:46] <Duesentrieb>	!spam | KemCab
[19:06:46] --mwbot--	KemCab: For more information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Combating_spam>.
[19:06:47] <ViRuSbOY>	Boooooooooom!
[19:07:03] <KemCab>	I'm using every measure there is
[19:07:07] <robla>	it's an arms race.  those pages help, but don't solve it
[19:07:08] <KemCab>	and yet he keeps coming back
[19:07:27] <KemCab>	I had to disable everyone but sysops
[19:07:31] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: how do you know it's always the same one?
[19:07:46] <KemCab>	I think it is.
[19:07:57] <KemCab>	it's the same kind of spam all the time.
[19:08:01] <KemCab>	when I set it up again
[19:08:09] <KemCab>	he occupied all my sysop's usernames
[19:08:16] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: if you can recogize the "kind", so can a regular expression
[19:08:36] <KemCab>	well, i was wondering
[19:08:42] <Duesentrieb>	can you identify bits that are always the same, and put them into a pattern?
[19:08:51] <KemCab>	not really.
[19:09:06] <Duesentrieb>	so... what do you mean by "same kind" then?
[19:09:09] <KemCab>	he just uses expletives and Ctrl+V's it everywhere.
[19:09:23] <Duesentrieb>	anon?
[19:09:26] <KemCab>	no
[19:09:35] <KemCab>	anonymous editing is disabled.
[19:09:47] <Duesentrieb>	so.... it's no spam really. it's a vandal. it's done manually, with the intend to annoy.
[19:09:52] <KemCab>	yeah.
[19:10:08] <KemCab>	how do i limit file size?
[19:10:11] <KemCab>	for articles, I mean,
[19:10:21] <Duesentrieb>	hm... not sure, i can look i guess
[19:10:23] <Duesentrieb>	and he's using proxies?
[19:10:34] <KemCab>	i think so
[19:10:38] <KemCab>	but i have no way to tell.
[19:10:45] <KemCab>	i'm using mw 1.6
[19:10:59] <KemCab>	due to outdated PPH.
[19:11:01] <KemCab>	PHP
[19:11:25] <Duesentrieb>	$wgMaxArticleSize	= 2048; # Maximum article size in kilobytes
[19:11:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Species: The Awakening unaccessable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12435  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:11:37] <Duesentrieb>	in 1.6... no idea. maybe it works, maybe not.
[19:11:42] <Duesentrieb>	1.6 sucks
[19:11:52] <KemCab>	i know
[19:12:01] <KemCab>	my webhost only has PHP 4.1
[19:12:27] <Duesentrieb>	change the host
[19:12:56] <KemCab>	i probably will
[19:13:10] <Duesentrieb>	get one with shell access, btw
[19:13:24] <KemCab>	right.
[19:13:37] <KemCab>	i'm going to look for a fix at the moment
[19:13:50] <KemCab>	I'm probably going to see what's up.
[19:14:09] <KemCab>	the service is decent but this is a problem.
[19:14:15] <KemCab>	also, is 30 KB for an article good?
[19:14:20] <KemCab>	it's a small wiki.
[19:14:39] <KemCab>	it'll prevent excessive copy paste.
[19:15:40] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r28964 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.i18n.php: Fix message name and file comment (submitted by Bertrand Grondin)
[19:16:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for bcl.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12440  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:16:16] <KemCab>	sorry, one more thing.
[19:16:34] <KemCab>	how do i reduce the space it takes up on my database?
[19:17:00] <KemCab>	i set it up today and it's already taking up 6 megs
[19:17:21] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Logo change for gn.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12439  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:18:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set logo for Lithuanian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12429  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:19:14] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: i don't think you can reduce the space it takes up in the db
[19:19:20] <Duesentrieb>	6 megs isn't much...
[19:19:35] <Duesentrieb>	do you have such a tiny space limit?
[19:19:57] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: mediawiki is scaqlable, but all but light-weight.
[19:20:06] <KemCab>	100 MB for the database.
[19:20:12] <KemCab>	that's only the database.
[19:20:23] <KemCab>	it was manageable until people started spamming.
[19:21:07] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create namespaces for Lithuanian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12428  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:21:44] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: there's a way to delete old revisions. not recommended though, for copyright reasons, etc. 
[19:21:51] <KemCab>	i know.
[19:22:03] <KemCab>	but there's nothing on the wiki except archived spam.
[19:22:13] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[19:22:21] <Duesentrieb>	start fresh then :)
[19:23:13] <darkcode>	I delete stuff all the time, buts its a local mediawiki setup for my own personal use, inaccessible from the outside
[19:23:30] <KemCab>	i would
[19:23:36] <KemCab>	but I did that already before
[19:24:01] <KemCab>	could I just delete it from the table?
[19:24:09] <Duesentrieb>	KemCab: well, the best protection against vandals & spam is an active community. the technical measures are only stop-gaps.
[19:24:19] <KemCab>	i know
[19:24:31] <Duesentrieb>	if you don't have an active community, you can also just make the wiki read-only for a while, until the troll goes away.
[19:24:34] <KemCab>	well, i had some dedicated people
[19:24:38] <KemCab>	ok.
[19:24:55] <Duesentrieb>	or restrict edit to emailconfirmed
[19:25:00] <KemCab>	did.
[19:25:06] <KemCab>	well, restricted to sysop.
[19:25:17] <darkcode>	couldn't you disable registration and require sysops create accounts?
[19:25:25] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set sitename for Lithuanian Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12427  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:25:49] <KemCab>	I could try but i don't think that'll do much
[19:25:56] <KemCab>	the guy's looking for attention.
[19:26:12] <KemCab>	i disabled normal editing so he's probably not going to do that.
[19:26:16] <CIA-40>	03thomasv * r28965 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: not a cell property
[19:26:44] <MZMcBride>	KemCab: if worse comes to worse, you can lock the DB altogether
[19:26:57] <MZMcBride>	but a simple captcha extension would probably serve your needs
[19:27:05] <KemCab>	actually, I tried it.
[19:27:08] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) enable en.WS import from Commons - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12425  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:27:16] <KemCab>	didn't work for some reason.
[19:27:18] <MZMcBride>	maybe install checkuser too to block the person's IP...
[19:27:25] <MZMcBride>	did you try reCAPTCHA?
[19:27:25] <KemCab>	probably due to my dated version.
[19:27:31] <KemCab>	yeah, that's the one.
[19:27:37] <MZMcBride>	which version of mediawiki?
[19:27:44] <KemCab>	1.6.
[19:27:47] <KemCab>	i know, it's old.
[19:28:00] <MZMcBride>	yeah, you need 1.8 for recaptcha
[19:28:34] <KemCab>	which is the latest version that I can get using php 4.1?
[19:28:50] <KemCab>	because frankly, I don't know if I can change my PHP version.
[19:29:02] <MZMcBride>	see topic
[19:31:12] <gangleri>	MZMcBride Hi! Are you using Opera ?
[19:32:09] <MZMcBride>	gangleri: i use firefox
[19:32:27] <gangleri>	Thanks! anybody else using Opera?
[20:01:03] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Page title is tricked by HTML-Entity in it - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11849  +comment (10brion)
[20:01:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Old pages containing HTML entities in their titles cannot be moved. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3097  +comment (10brion)
[20:01:09] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Can't move page with &amp;amp; in it's name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12436  +comment (10brion)
[20:01:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Old pages containing HTML entities in their titles cannot be moved. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3097  +comment (10brion)
[20:04:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Old pages containing HTML entities in their titles cannot be moved. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3097  +comment (10brion)
[20:27:31] <bango>	hey how can make a pop up on my mediawiki mainpage? So, if someone launch the page my own popup opens?
[20:28:16] <MZMcBride>	bango: javascript?
[20:28:24] <MZMcBride>	use [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]?
[20:28:46] <bango>	where can i find mediawiki:Common.js?
[20:29:04] <MZMcBride>	go to it via your URL or go to Special:Allmessages
[20:31:16] <bango>	okay
[20:33:56] <bango>	you mean all pages?
[20:34:08] <MZMcBride>	no, Special:Allmessages
[20:34:17] <MZMcBride>	it's a list of all on-wiki customizeable messages
[20:34:29] *MZMcBride 	will someday learn to spell customizable correctly
[20:35:54] <bango>	will the pop up open on all pages?
[20:36:56] <MZMcBride>	you have to write the code to do what you want it to do
[20:37:16] <bango>	okay :)
[20:37:18] <bango>	i will try it
[20:37:25] <MZMcBride>	i was saying that javascript is probably the best / simplest option and that it can be loaded in MediaWiki:Common.js
[20:37:27] <MZMcBride>	:)
[20:37:48] <BrokenArrow>	erm. How am I supposed to link to an image like this one? http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Loredana_Bert%C3%A9_in_%27%27Ciao_Rudy%27%27_1971.jpg ? title is legal, but [[:Immagine:Loredana Berté in ''Ciao Rudy'' 1971.jpg]] gets parsed as italics and doesnt' work, of course...
[20:38:54] <bango>	yes i will use a popup generator
[20:39:26] <MZMcBride>	BrokenArrow: move the page
[20:40:18] <BrokenArrow>	I'ts a dupe anyway, so I'll delete it. however, being able to create unreachable pages aint' pretty
[20:40:35] <MZMcBride>	not really unreachable, only unlinkable
[20:40:51] <MZMcBride>	and there's probably a work-around, but really....
[20:42:21] <BrokenArrow>	ah, and it's an image, so moving is in fact aout of question :)
[20:42:41] <BrokenArrow>	how's the image backend restructuring going on, btw?
[20:43:19] <MZMcBride>	Really Soon Now (tm)
[20:44:29] <BrokenArrow>	Really Soon After SUL Now (tm) or Really Soon Before SUL Now (tm)= :)
[20:45:10] <MZMcBride>	Tim's working on it, i think; still has major bugs
[20:51:13] <qsheets>	TimLaqua: you happy, i updated to MW 1.11.0 and disabled the redirects in the calendar extension
[20:51:24] <qsheets>	<(^^,)>
[20:56:05] <TimLaqua>	qsheets: of course.  it was the right thing to do.  ;-)
[21:15:32] <Grondin>	thank's for all brion
[21:15:44] <brion>	enjoy
[21:31:57] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r28967 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/ (Farmer.i18n.php MediaWikiFarmer_SpecialPage.php): new release of Farmer extension by SPQRobin. Correcting english messages and optimization of other one including internal link.
[21:35:04] <CIA-40>	03brion * r28968 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): 
[21:35:04] <CIA-40>	* (bug 3097) Inconsistently usable titles containing HTML character entities
[21:35:04] <CIA-40>	 are now forbidden. A run of cleanupTitles.php will fix up existing pages.
[21:35:58] <BrokenArrow>	brion: no changes about the embedded italics as above?
[21:36:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Old pages containing HTML entities in their titles cannot be moved. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3097  +comment (10brion)
[21:36:16] <brion>	Broabove what?
[21:36:45] <BrokenArrow>	I just linked an unlinkable image named something ''or'' other.jpg
[21:36:51] <brion>	ah well
[21:37:01] <brion>	blame gerardm and neapolitan for that
[21:37:15] *BrokenArrow 	is actually from Nùaples...
[21:37:41] <brion>	then i can blame you :D
[21:38:04] <BrokenArrow>	I've never used '' once in my life, :P
[21:39:50] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r28969 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: messages bug fixed by SPQRobin
[21:42:36] <st-fl>	hi
[21:42:47] <MZMcBride>	hello
[21:43:33] <st-fl>	just a question about the short urls / mod_rewriting...
[21:44:04] <MZMcBride>	best to ask :)
[21:46:06] <CIA-40>	03vrandezo * r28970 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_RAPStore.php: corrected drop function
[21:46:52] <st-fl>	http://domain.tld/wiki/FooBar redirects to http://domain.tld/wiki/index.php5?title=FooBar. how can i achieve that http://domain.tld/wiki/index.php redirects to the main page http://domain.tld/wiki/Main_Page?
[21:47:53] <MZMcBride>	!shorturls | st-fl 
[21:47:53] --mwbot--	st-fl : To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[21:47:59] <Skizzerz>	st-fl: your wiki is installed in /wiki/, correct?
[21:48:04] <Skizzerz>	if so, move it elsewhere
[21:48:05] <st-fl>	yap
[21:48:13] <MZMcBride>	!rewriteproblems | st-fl
[21:48:13] --mwbot--	st-fl: 1) Do not put the files into the document root; 2) Do not map the pages into the document root; 3) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 4) Do not set a RewriteBase; 5) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[21:48:22] <Skizzerz>	you do NOT want to have your wiki installed in the same place as where you're rewriting it to
[21:49:16] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Urls to pages are not htmlspecialcharized - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12437  +comment (10brion)
[21:49:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Old pages containing HTML entities in their titles cannot be moved. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3097  (10brion)
[21:49:33] <st-fl>	hm, i renamed /wiki/ to /a/ -- and now?
[21:49:55] <Skizzerz>	does it work now?
[21:50:37] <st-fl>	no :(
[21:51:08] <Dashiva>	st-fl: Maybe you could put your rewrite rules in the pastebin
[21:52:13] <st-fl>	http://rafb.net/p/CTo6Td89.html
[21:54:10] <st-fl>	short urls for pages do work, but when i enter /a/ in the address bar, the page is blank. just nothing.
[21:55:43] <st-fl>	ah, i'll just try something else
[21:56:35] <Dashiva>	That setup is as broken as before
[21:57:02] <Dashiva>	You need one physical directory containing the files (e.g /w/) and one virtual directory for pretty URLs (e.g. /wiki/)
[21:57:14] <st-fl>	ok, i see
[21:57:18] <Dashiva>	And then you redirect /wiki/x to /w/index.php/x
[21:57:53] <Dashiva>	That way you don't need -d or -f either, since there cannot be any physical files in the virtual path
[22:01:32] <st-fl>	hm, http://rafb.net/p/oIHvwN86.nln.html does not really work... :S
[22:02:55] <Dashiva>	Isn't that backwards? That will rewrite realfile/Something to wiki/index.php
[22:04:30] <st-fl>	sorry, realfile should be the virtual one.
[22:04:55] <st-fl>	the files de facto are in /wiki/
[22:05:08] <Dashiva>	Also make sure the .htaccess is in the right location
[22:05:19] <st-fl>	in which?
[22:05:22] <st-fl>	root?
[22:06:12] <CIA-40>	03grondin * r28971 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.i18n.php: English messages corrected by SPQRobin. French Messages by Bertrand GRONDIN
[22:07:03] <Dashiva>	Since you use realfile relatively, it should be the level above realfile
[22:07:58] <st-fl>	do i have to create the "virtual" file?
[22:08:02] <CIA-40>	03erik * r28972 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: change vishwin per req
[22:08:19] <Dashiva>	No
[22:08:30] <Dashiva>	Shouldn't, even
[22:09:16] <st-fl>	omg, i'm so confused O_O
[22:11:30] <st-fl>	well, once again, please... the files are in /wiki/ and i want to redirect pretty urls as /somename/PAGENAME to /wiki/. can you paste me the code?
[22:11:58] <Skizzerz>	st-fl: you're backwards there
[22:12:32] <st-fl>	hm. and how can i change being backwards? ;)
[22:12:50] <Skizzerz>	you DON'T want the wiki installed in the /wiki/ directory (name the directory /w/ for example), then you want to redirect /w/index.php5?title=$1 to /wiki/$1
[22:13:03] <Skizzerz>	er... other way around
[22:13:04] <MZMcBride>	!shorturls | st-fl 
[22:13:04] --mwbot--	st-fl : To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[22:13:14] <MZMcBride>	!rtfm
[22:13:14] --mwbot--	Please search and read the MediaWiki manual at <http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents> before asking.
[22:13:15] <Skizzerz>	redirect /wiki/$1 to /w/index.php5?title=$1
[22:21:05] <Aviator>	rtfm hehe
[22:24:30] <robla>	cautionary tale for people upgrading mediawiki....
[22:24:56] <robla>	we tried an intranet upgrade last night from 1.6 to 1.11
[22:25:05] <st-fl>	uff, 23:25... too high for me now... tomorrow i'll try again :) thanks
[22:25:31] <robla>	set both source and destination wikis to read-only mode
[22:26:04] <robla>	spent the longest time figuring out why update.php took FOREVER, and the subsequent install took 20s to render a page
[22:26:34] <robla>	it was only when we finally took the target wiki out of read-only mode that performance was normal
[22:30:42] <robla>	I'm thinking of making a bug report against update.php on this topic, but I'm guessing it'd be a low priority fix, and I don't plan to write it
[22:44:48] <DP67>	Does anyone know how to solve this? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#Plethera_of_problems
[22:45:20] <Skizzerz>	"Plethera"? :P
[22:45:22] *Skizzerz 	checks
[22:45:43] <Skizzerz>	!tidy | DP67
[22:45:43] --mwbot--	DP67: For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[22:45:44] <BlaenkDenum>	what's the wikipedia bot channel again
[22:45:46] <BlaenkDenum>	oh nevermind
[22:46:01] <Skizzerz>	you need to enable tidy, once you do it should work :)
[22:46:19] <DP67>	OK.. I'll give it a go.. Tnx!
[22:52:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20unable=20to=20activate=20t?= =?UTF-8?Q?he=20chekboxes=20in=20the=20=C2?==?UTF-8?Q?=AB=20Gadget=20?== =?UTF-8?Q?=20=23prefsection=2D10=20=C2=BB=20s?= =?UTF-8?Q?ection=20in=20=C2=AB=20special?=: =?UTF-8?Q?Preferences=20=C2=BB=20at=20w?=:he: with Opera - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12443  (10N/A)
[22:52:25] <Skizzerz>	poor wikibugs... it totally breaks with weird characters
[22:52:47] <gangleri>	FYI: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12443 unable to activate the chekboxes in the « Gadget = #prefsection-10 » section in « special:Preferences » at w:he: with Opera
[22:52:56] <DP67>	Ahh! Skizzerz you are a god send! Thanks!
[22:53:05] <Skizzerz>	DP67: you're welcome ;)
[22:55:13] <NEox>	hi
[22:55:29] <Skizzerz>	hi
[22:55:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) wgUseCategoryBrowser mode (Category browser) generates invalid XHTML nesting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12408  summary (10gangleri)
[22:55:42] <NEox>	do you speak German?
[22:55:52] <Skizzerz>	ein bisschen
[22:56:03] <NEox>	cool
[22:56:20] <NEox>	i've a question about Mediawiki
[22:56:26] <st-fl>	ich spreche deutsch.
[22:56:34] <Skizzerz>	NEox: just ask
[22:56:37] <NEox>	i wanna install mediawiki on funpic
[22:56:40] <st-fl>	habe aber keine ahnung von mw :P
[22:56:51] <NEox>	but i dont know how i can do that
[22:56:57] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  summary (10gangleri)
[22:57:21] <BrokenArrow>	w'bugs gave up :-\
[22:57:34] <Skizzerz>	!install | NEox 
[22:57:34] --mwbot--	NEox : Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[22:58:01] <NEox>	a question
[22:58:10] <NEox>	i have to upload all files to the server
[22:58:19] <Skizzerz>	yes
[22:58:20] <NEox>	and then?
[22:58:27] <Skizzerz>	run the config script
[22:58:39] <NEox>	how ?
[22:58:54] <Skizzerz>	open /config/index.php in your web browser
[22:59:08] <NEox>	okay and then?
[22:59:22] <Skizzerz>	everything is explained in the link that mwbot gave to you
[22:59:26] <NEox>	i must first upload the files with mit 9kb upload, thats a fuck :D
[22:59:41] <NEox>	ok thx @ all :)
[23:00:36] <DP67>	Still getting a blank screen whenever an <imagemap> is called. ImageMap ext. is loaded.
[23:00:55] <NEox>	spricht hier keiner deutsch?
[23:01:08] <st-fl>	doch
[23:01:39] <NEox>	aber du hast keine ahnung von MW :D
[23:01:50] <st-fl>	eben 
[23:02:03] <st-fl>	aber das war ja auch nicht gefragt
[23:02:27] <st-fl>	gut, von der bedienung habe ich ahnung, aber das ding zu installieren, uiui, da haperts
[23:02:41] <Dashiva>	DP67: Have you checked your php error log?
[23:07:49] <DP67>	No.I can't find it. logging is turned on but I cant seem to locate the log.
[23:10:44] <st-fl>	Dashiva: one more question, okay? :-) 
[23:11:54] <NEox>	hau rein :D
[23:13:10] <st-fl>	naja, ich hab die dateien jetzt in /wiki/ liegen, /schlammbeiser/ ist virtuell und leitet dort hin. die weiterleitung klappt auch so weit, nur lädt er die skins nicht
[23:14:18] <DP67>	Fatal error Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /var/www/html/wiki/extensions/Imagemap/ImageMap_body.php on line 76
[23:20:57] <NEox>	im uploading the files
[23:21:08] <NEox>	thats a loong time to finish :D
[23:21:51] <Nikerabbit>	DP67: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.dom.php
[23:26:48] <NEox>	http://www.funpic.de/forum/webhosting/topic,34435,-mediawiki.html
[23:27:00] <NEox>	yeah ive found an indrutudtion
[23:27:06] <NEox>	introduction :D
[23:27:10] <NEox>	ciao guys
[23:27:53] <DP67>	Nikerabbit, thanks i'll look into it.
[23:28:26] <Nikerabbit>	DP67: so either you use php4 or non-standard php5 package
[23:28:53] <Skizzerz>	1.11 wouldn't run on php4 though
[23:30:33] <Nikerabbit>	maybe missing xml flag on gentoo or something
[23:30:44] *Skizzerz 	waves to CIA-39 
[23:30:54] *Nikerabbit 	hugs CIA-39
[23:30:54] *CIA-39 	hugs Nikerabbit
[23:31:01] <Skizzerz>	ooh
[23:31:22] *Skizzerz 	waits for CIA-39 to reveal it's immense presentsight into the world of svn
[23:31:58] <DP67>	It's php5 whatever package comes with a standard Fedora Core 5 distro.
[23:32:34] <DP67>	5.16 to be exact
[23:32:48] <Skizzerz>	IIRC current php is 5.2.4
[23:33:09] <twincest>	DP67: you need to install the php domxml package
[23:33:10] <Nikerabbit>	DP67: is there php-xml package available?
[23:33:27] <DP67>	checking
[23:34:57] <Nikerabbit>	ohloh thinks mediawiki has too few comments :O http://www.ohloh.net/projects/22?p=MediaWiki
[23:36:39] <Skizzerz>	:O
[23:36:49] <Skizzerz>	we have a comment before almost every single function >_>
[23:36:54] <RougeAdmin>	more like too many >_>
[23:37:06] *RougeAdmin 	has seen extensions where there's less code than comments...
[23:37:23] <Skizzerz>	yeah, but I was talking about the core code
[23:37:48] <Skizzerz>	for extensions (at least mine), I just paste the URL of the online documentation
[23:38:12] <Nikerabbit>	Across all PHP projects on Ohloh, 25% of all source code lines are comments. For MediaWiki, this figure is only 9%.
[23:38:14] <DP67>	Thanks Nikerabbit; installed php-xml and it works.
[23:38:37] <DP67>	no white screen o death.. lol
[23:38:46] <Skizzerz>	25%... o.0
[23:39:02] <Skizzerz>	do they explain every variable every time it's used or something?
[23:39:58] <Skizzerz>	whee, almost 10 million lines of code :)
[23:40:13] <Nikerabbit>	Skizzerz: nah, they just write good and compact code (NOT!)
[23:43:57] <loltoflols>	helo
[23:44:24] <MrDoomBringer_>	Hey guys, I've got a bit of a newb HTML/Wikimedia question here.
[23:44:32] <MrDoomBringer_>	Hope you can help a bit more
[23:44:44] <Skizzerz>	MrDoomBringer_: feel free to ask :)
[23:45:02] <loltoflols>	do you no abot wiki
[23:45:05] <MrDoomBringer_>	I'm trying to remotely/automatically post data to a Wiki page, I've looked through the source code and found this line:
[23:45:09] <loltoflols>	are u wikia
[23:45:11] <MrDoomBringer_>	<form id="editform" name="editform" method="post" action="/index.php?title=User:Mr_Doom_Bringer/playerdata&amp;action=submit"
[23:45:12] <MrDoomBringer_>	enctype="multipart/form-data">
[23:45:16] <loltoflols>	helo 
[23:45:18] <Skizzerz>	!stfu | lotoflols
[23:45:18] --mwbot--	lotoflols: I don't know anything about "stfu". You might try: !google 
[23:45:29] <loltoflols>	are U WIKIA
[23:45:33] <Skizzerz>	no
[23:45:38] <RougeAdmin>	No. go away, cross-channel troll.
[23:46:06] <MrDoomBringer_>	Well, anyway
[23:46:17] <RougeAdmin>	loltoflols: wikia matters belong to #wikia, where you were banned from due to - well - trolling.
[23:46:38] <Skizzerz>	!api | MrDoomBringer_ 
[23:46:38] --mwbot--	MrDoomBringer_ : The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[23:46:40] <loltoflols>	im not a troll
[23:46:45] <Splarka>	MrDoomBringer_: via ajax? or offsite via full-url <form action=""> ?
[23:46:53] <loltoflols>	I want my article deleted
[23:47:02] <MrDoomBringer_>	Actually, though another HTML page
[23:47:03] <Skizzerz>	loltoflols: it won't be, now be nice and stop whining
[23:47:06] <RougeAdmin>	loltoflols: you're trolling software development channel with irrelevant junk.
[23:47:26] <RougeAdmin>	loltoflols: people here only create the software, they have no control over sites like Wikia that use their software. period.
[23:47:39] <Splarka>	MrDoomBringer_: right, so via full-url action=""...
[23:47:41] <loltoflols>	WHy are u everywere RougeAdmin
[23:47:52] <MrDoomBringer_>	alright, that makes sense
[23:48:06] <Splarka>	but you'll need the hidden input element that has the edit token
[23:48:07] <MrCheerful>	hmmm click click
[23:48:12] <RougeAdmin>	loltoflols: not everywhere. and I like discussing here. please, be kind and do not disrupt the developers.
[23:48:34] <MrDoomBringer_>	hmm, I think you lost me there
[23:48:34] <loltoflols>	ok 
[23:48:58] <loltoflols>	they are jerks like the wikia people
[23:49:11] <Splarka>	MrDoomBringer_: check the stuff between <form id="editform" and </form>
[23:49:25] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Parameters_that_are_needed_to_save
[23:49:30] <MrDoomBringer_>	Well, that's the thing I wanted to circumvent.
[23:49:49] <MrDoomBringer_>	I wanted to skip the forum, and just go to adding text
[23:49:52] <loltoflols>	RougeAdmin any other place u are?
[23:49:58] <MrDoomBringer_>	form*
[23:50:09] <Splarka>	MrDoom: that would be rather insecure... I mean...
[23:50:35] <Splarka>	anyone with a web site and javascript enabled could have anyone else submit text to your wiki
[23:50:53] <MrDoomBringer_>	I see
[23:51:02] <Splarka>	they'd just have to have a hidden pre-filled-in form and have a document.submitelement.click()
[23:51:19] <MrDoomBringer_>	Well, it kinda gets complicated in my explanation of what exactly I'm planning on doing..
[23:51:21] <Splarka>	the edit token prevents that
[23:51:49] <Skizzerz>	if you want remote editing, it's best to use the api interface
[23:51:55] <Splarka>	it requires someone editing a wiki to actually read the edit form (which a remote site can't do via ajax in most cases)
[23:52:05] <MrDoomBringer_>	EAh..
[23:52:08] <MrDoomBringer_>	eah*
[23:52:12] *Splarka 	nods
[23:52:32] <MrDoomBringer_>	I get your point here, but I _have_ to do it via HTML or Javascript
[23:52:55] <MrDoomBringer_>	like I said, the explanation is somewhat complicated
[23:52:59] <Splarka>	well, you can do it via an ajax POST, and even somewhat securely
[23:53:50] <Splarka>	how good are you at javascript? ^_^
[23:54:09] <MrDoomBringer_>	heh, about as good as I am at flying a brick
[23:54:13] <Nikerabbit>	hmhm
[23:54:17] <MrDoomBringer_>	hence the "newb" question
[23:54:25] <MrDoomBringer_>	The problem here is that I have data in a game
[23:54:27] <Nikerabbit>	there should be const keyword in php :<
[23:54:40] <loltoflols>	good bye thanks for your help!
[23:54:40] <Skizzerz>	ooh, if you want brick flying lessons, by all means come see me :)
[23:54:43] <MrDoomBringer_>	now, I can create a DHTML window in this game, and with that, I can access a wiki
[23:54:47] <MrDoomBringer_>	heheh
[23:54:57] <Splarka>	crazy
[23:55:13] <MrDoomBringer_>	Basically, what I want to do is add a few strings to a wiki page
[23:55:26] <MrDoomBringer_>	I was wondering how I would go about doing that without the form
[23:56:02] <Splarka>	Skizzers: can the API edit pages yet without an edit token? (or, at all?)
[23:56:28] <Skizzerz>	it can edit pages, but it requires a login
[23:56:34] <Skizzerz>	but you can login via the API as well
[23:56:41] <Splarka>	right
[23:56:43] <MrDoomBringer_>	I assumed as much
[23:58:59] <MrDoomBringer_>	The general question here is would it be possible to add info to a page using the submit action from a separate HTML script?
[23:59:29] <Splarka>	without JS? only anonymously I believe