[00:00:06] have done that.. it tries to create a folder (for example) in the thumb directory which has the permissions 770 [00:00:46] yes, you need to manually create the folders, then enable that option in your localsettings.php [00:01:22] I manually created the folders thumb, archive and temp, but its trying to create more folders (for example inside the thumb folder) for the name of the image file [00:16:22] hmm, looks like my host may be to blame, I've chased it up with them :) [00:27:26] Werdna: you still about? [00:28:38] are there any devs about? [00:31:38] fireflies: there's a config option to not create the hash folders like 3/3a/ [00:31:48] fireflies: which is useful if for some reason your php config stops that from working [00:32:07] although now thumbs are in their own folder, that might not work anymore [00:32:38] what's the longest variable name in use in MediaWiki? [00:32:57] twincest: for some reason, it still seems to try creating hashed files [00:34:08] Nikerabbit: $wgCountCategorizedImagesAsUsed [00:34:28] I just added $wgTranslateDocumentationLanguageCode to my extension [00:35:02] excluding config variables, $oldFashionedRestrictions in Title.php [00:35:09] kinda cheating with prefix but... [00:35:57] 03grondin * r29014 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/Farmer.i18n.php: Update from http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Process/tasks [00:43:15] 03siebrand * r29018 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Tweak 2 messages [00:46:45] 03(mod) Auto-noindex user/user talk pages for blocked users. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11443 (10gmaxwell) [00:50:52] 03(mod) Auto-noindex user/user talk pages for blocked users. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11443 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [00:59:57] speaking about images, is there any rhyme or reason to the decision of which hashed directory? is it by md5 or some such? [01:00:18] first and first/second of md5 of name [01:00:21] i'd love, if possible, to store the files in a way that makes sense if, say, browsed on a desktop. [01:00:45] $md5(Wiki.png) -> bc32c4ef985f1924664e5f5c7359ef62 [01:01:00] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Wiki.png [01:01:00] Splarka: and that's mainly to prevent the possibility of 50,000 files in a single directory, and the demonic dirread required? ;) [01:01:09] apparently [01:01:23] although for wikimedia that could be 50,000,000 [01:01:27] aye. [01:01:40] not just readdir(), we don't actually use that much [01:01:51] is there any magical ... .. "take images and put on a CD in a way that is logically browsable"? script, extension, whathaveyou? [01:01:55] some filesystems perform badly for specific lookups in large directrories [01:02:22] i know wikia provides image download tarbulls. i wonder what format thats in... [01:04:09] Splarka: are you a dev? [01:05:28] CIA-39: I hate you, all day you've been ignoring my and now you start... [01:05:46] nope [01:06:43] domas: you about? [01:25:38] 03(NEW) request for markup addition in lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12449 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (FT2.wiki) [01:27:50] wow, that's complicated -_- [01:29:29] 03(mod) request for markup addition in lists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12449 +comment (10FT2.wiki) [01:31:03] hello [01:31:08] hi [01:31:18] aahh skizzerz again :D [01:31:23] :D [01:31:28] i have a problem with mediawiki [01:31:30] http://thief459.th.funpic.de/wiki/config/index.php [01:31:34] look at that :D [01:31:55] have you icq? [01:32:18] uh... 1.6.5? [01:32:23] get 1.6.10 :) [01:32:32] i have 1.6.11 too [01:32:34] or better yet 1.11.0 [01:32:44] considering you have php5 [01:32:47] http://thief459.th.funpic.de/wiki_new/config/index.php [01:32:58] 1.11. must it be [01:33:21] ah [01:33:27] 335637963 ICQ [01:33:32] can you add me? [01:33:38] *Skizzerz doesn't have ICQ [01:33:47] schade [01:33:59] anyway, contact your hosting providor to get them to enable the required functions [01:34:21] i dont know what its false [01:34:41] tell your hosting providor to enable ini_set() and exec() [01:34:56] another question [01:34:56] (exec might not be disabled, but if it is, it'll cause problems with thumbnailing) [01:35:05] do you know a good freehoster? [01:35:08] a free webhost like that is never going to enable exec [01:35:21] *Skizzerz got a free webhost to enable exec [01:35:55] Neox: search http://www.free-webhosts.com/ and pick one you like :) [01:36:13] i want to create a wikipedia for a game called THIEF [01:36:28] I currently have some internal shortcuts added into the interwiki table on the database (so a w:... link turns into wiki:...) this works fine except it doesn't pick up empty pages (doesn't show them with the "edit" option and the colour to match, or in the wanted pages list).. is there any way to resolve this? [01:37:34] skizzerz.. which hosting service do you ... oh bad english... which is the best hoster for a wikipedia? [01:37:52] how can I track people's IP's when they register? [01:38:08] Neox: Not 1&1. [01:38:27] 1&1 is german shit, i know :D [01:38:55] I'm using it right now, but they don't use a recent version of PHP. [01:39:40] are you GERMAN? [01:40:13] nope :P [01:40:16] skizzerz. which service is the best for my plan? [01:40:22] I don't know [01:40:28] find one that suits your tastes [01:40:38] but make sure it has php5 and MySQL [01:41:23] you will also want to make sure there aren't any debilitating restrictions on php (aka no safe_mode, among other things) [01:41:57] finding a host that gives you SSH is a plus (lets you run maintenance scripts and upgrade your version) [01:42:19] oook^^ [01:53:08] http://www.free-webhosts.com/reviews/X10Hosting.php [01:53:28] geht das da? [01:53:29] they're pretty good [01:53:43] ... does mediawiki work there? [01:53:55] *Skizzerz actually uses them [01:53:55] yes [01:53:55] dont laugh about my english pls :D [01:53:57] *Skizzerz isn't [01:54:22] do you know how i can install it? [01:54:35] make an account, upload the files, and run the installer script [01:55:00] inside a template, how do i include the name of the page doing the transclusion? [01:55:07] 03aaron * r29019 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: [01:55:07] * Show last 10 agents for users [01:55:07] * Rename class attrib [01:55:12] Morbus: {{PAGENAME}} [01:55:18] in Category:1970, i'd like to include {{Posters Explanation}} and have it... thanks. [01:55:25] was looking on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates and saw the passed params, but not the list. [01:55:29] er, MorbusIff: {{PAGENAME}} [01:55:37] ah! its under variables. my bad [01:56:45] MorbusIff: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words for full list [01:57:10] thanks. [01:58:33] ok skizzerz i am creating an account [01:59:28] Neox: a forewarning about them though, you have to visit their forum once every 14 days or they suspend their account (just visit, no posting required) [02:01:08] only enter the forum? [02:01:28] that's a strange requirement [02:01:43] i guess it ensures people aren't abandoning their accounts [02:02:02] ok 14 days are ok [02:03:29] skizzerz = referrer? [02:03:37] uh, sure ^_^ [02:03:45] but make it caps (so Skizzerz) [02:04:06] ? i dont uderstand:D [02:05:06] skizzerz is my referer... ready [02:05:06] the name of the referrer is case-sensitive and my name is "Skizzerz", not "skizzerz" [02:05:38] ok [02:06:05] ok account created now activating [02:07:03] 03aaron * r29020 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Instead of reversing a bunch of arrays, just read them off backwards [02:10:13] Skizzerz, so run wget as a cron job? [02:10:31] Simetrical: ??? [02:10:52] Skizzerz, to automatically visit every day or something. [02:11:00] Or every week. [02:11:17] I don't know if that works, but I visit there often enough just to view the weekly contest winners [02:11:24] Simetrical: would you be willing to do me a favor? [02:11:38] Betacommand, depends what it is, I guess. [02:11:48] one week I wasn't on and I ended up winning that week, saw that I won the day after the period to claim it ended >_> [02:11:59] Simetrical: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12445 [02:12:27] I would be greatly thankful for something like that [02:13:18] Betacommand, I don't understand the rationale. Why don't you just search for appropriate fullurl: instances? [02:13:57] Betacommand, your solution wouldn't eliminate the existing fullurl: entries, they'd stick around in corners for years. You'd have to find them anyway if you wanted to be thorough. [02:14:08] Simetrical: I want to hide those edit links from the linksearch [02:14:30] Betacommand, ah. [02:14:40] *Splarka gets deja vu [02:14:49] Bug 11456 would be a good way to do it, I think. [02:15:00] Not sure it would be allowed in, though. [02:15:08] a magic word for that already exists, {{localurl}}, you just need a way to fool the parser into letting you use $wgScript-prefixed links [02:15:09] that would let us use them in stub templates without flooding linksearch [02:15:16] It seems kind of pointless at first glance, unless maybe we switch over to it as default. [02:15:28] Splarka, the problem is that it shows up in LinkSearch, apparently. [02:15:34] is it morning in your country? [02:15:40] right, as [02:15:52] but not as [02:15:55] 03(mod) Checkuser results omit information? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12447 (10JSchulz_4587) [02:16:08] Simetrical: correct and when you add it to a stub template you get 1000+ extra links to filter out [02:16:10] {{fullurl}} generated a string of text starting with http://, and the parser then makes it a link after the fact [02:16:12] suddenly, deja vu [02:16:28] wikibugs: :) [02:16:33] wow, deja-vu jinx [02:16:55] Splarka, you can't avoid that with current wiki syntax, it needs to start with a protocol so we know it's a URL. [02:17:06] Sim: what if it was in brackets? [02:17:09] its 3:17am omg^^ [02:17:16] Simetrical: I like the idea of [[Special:Edit/Page]] too [02:17:17] '[' + $wgscript + ' ' [02:17:21] Splarka, we could change it, but it would be moderately breaking. [02:17:42] breaking things is fun [02:17:45] i don't think it should be restricted to wgscript if it does get added [02:18:07] dont break anything, just add a new ability, and users will adopt that [02:18:24] other options discussed included simply removing the URL prefix if it matched the $wgServer [02:18:34] (from all URLs, but that would break things on mirrors <3) [02:18:40] Splarka: that is a bad idea [02:18:44] no kidding [02:18:47] i still disagree that this is the correct way to fix Special:Linksearch ;) [02:18:55] 03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:19:02] as we would hide improper links to wikipedia [02:19:14] twincest, what would you say is correct? [02:19:30] so would either of those two bugs [02:20:39] Sim, if it would be for all action=, why not [[Special:Action/purge/Pagename]] ^_^ [02:21:07] but then you'd need one for diff=, oldid=... [02:22:05] Splarka, ugly. [02:22:12] There's no action=diff or action=oldid. [02:22:14] Technically speaking. [02:22:16] me, or the syntax? [02:22:23] well, yah [02:22:28] which is why they'd be separate [02:22:29] Splarka, I can't tell whether you're ugly through IRC. [02:23:01] ^rephrase for clarity/sim^ -> [[Special:Action]] would work for all actions, but then you'd need a separate syntax for diff=, oldid=... [02:23:20] then it gets silly [02:23:36] soon people'll want it for gen, ctype, curid [02:23:48] how would I create a namespace shortcut (such as wp -> wikipedia) which still detects if a page has not been created as normal? [02:23:50] or just a magic word that lets you edit a page [02:24:06] fireflies, what do you mean, "has not been created as normal"? [02:24:47] Simetrical: for example, on wikipedia, a link.. wp:something, becomes wikipedia:something.. if the wikipedia:something page doesn't exist, it has a red color and has the &action=edit... [02:25:41] fireflies: $wgNamespaceAliases [02:25:50] ahhh thankyou kindly :) [02:26:23] Hey, it looks like I may be eligible to get cash from Take-Two because of the hot coffee mod for GTA:SA. Cool. [02:26:58] Except it's $35 max and I have to submit a claim form, screw it. [02:27:35] skizzers are you there? [02:27:42] yeah [02:27:50] privat chat? [02:27:53] sure [02:28:26] *Betacommand thinks about offering Simetrical a cash reward if he fixes my bug [02:28:35] you see me? [02:29:07] Betacommand, meh, I don't need money for much of anything at the moment. Besides, as I say, I'm not sure it would get in, it looks kind of weird at first glance. [02:29:24] skizzers? [02:29:32] yes [02:29:39] /msg me [02:29:44] if you want private chat [02:30:10] Simetrical: I am just looking for a simple method of adding a edit link to text for use in templates that does not show up in LinkSearch [02:31:20] *Simetrical shrugs [02:33:19] Simetrical: do you have any good method of doing this/ [02:34:04] I don't see any conceptually attractive way. Of course you could just disable it from showing if you wanted. Hack it to not add those rows or whatever. [02:34:11] But I'm not sure that's best. [02:34:19] javascript ^_^ [02:34:25] You would probably want to hide some of the interwikis as well. [02:34:29] 03(mod) Dead end InterWiki prefixes due to missing sister projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4558 (10gangleri) [02:35:08] 03aaron * r29021 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Add some space between radios and labels [02:36:04] Simetrical: I want to do this on en.wiki [02:37:14] Simetrical: how hard would it be to add an extra magic word that does the same thing, without generating URLs/ [02:38:19] Betacommand, easy, but it's not a clean solution. It's too special-purpose. We have a huge number of magic words already. [02:38:50] Some people probably want edit links to show up in the external links list. [02:39:16] heh [02:39:22] If anything, I think the cleanest would be to mark external links that point to a list of local domains, so that they can be hidden with a checkbox. [02:39:41] Simetrical: it might be special purpose but we need it for working with template based edit links [02:39:44] how about allowing a faux url syntax like local:/w/index.php?title=foo&action=edit [02:39:56] eg: [local:{{localurl:foo|action=edit edit] [02:40:28] that would let people choose what they put into linksearch, absolute or relative [02:40:30] Splarka: that does not address the issue of hiding it from linksearch [02:40:39] Betacommand, yes, many times small numbers of users want a very specific feature for a specific purpose. Every one we add increases the complexity of what we have to maintain and users have to understand. [02:40:42] it would if it didn't start with http:// [02:41:05] As I say, an extra checkbox on Linksearch seems best to me. [02:41:19] It's just a matter of implementing it. [02:41:31] Simetrical: that would only need to remove the edit links then [02:41:32] If you only wanted to skip one domain, really, it wouldn't be terribly hard. [02:41:40] Betacommand, way too specific here. [02:41:54] Meh. [02:42:00] I don't know, I'm not convinced. [02:42:04] If you can find someone else, go ahead. [02:42:28] Sim: the problem, as I understand it, is they want to find http://en.wikipedia.org links, but they don't want that list to be spammed with ?action=edit links [02:42:50] So use grep, I guess? [02:42:58] so probably what they'd need, is a regex filter, eg a way to hide action\=edit links [02:43:41] Too general, now, in that you hit efficiency barriers. [02:43:48] A regex that matched nothing would scan the whole index. [02:44:03] (Or matched everything, in the inverted sense you use.) [02:44:09] heh [02:45:28] at least Special:Linksearch isn't limited to 1000 like cached special pages [02:46:21] Splarka: true, but you still can get 5000+ results from a single template [02:49:05] so, would there be any security issues in allowing [external link] syntax to seletively omit the domain? [02:49:24] Splarka, spammers could use it easily enough . . . [02:49:37] If it's not restricted to a fixed set of domains. [02:49:37] to link to what? other local pages? [02:49:40] that is why I was thinking about using a special page or magic word to create the ability to have the edit links without flooding linksearch. perhaps a javascript to enable the edit function without adding a URL? [02:50:02] [local:/wiki/Viagra Cheap Viagra!!!] [02:50:35] obviously it would have to start with a slash, eg (per my example) "local\:\/" would work but local\:[^/] would fail [02:51:03] or you'd get confusing links, eg would act differently on /w/ and /wiki/ [02:51:12] what about local://foo/bar - wouldn't that create a CIFS link to a Windows system? [02:52:01] well, one slash only then [02:52:10] also, the local: (or whatever) would have be removed [02:52:17] hm, apparently it doesn't [02:52:20] local\:\/[^/] [02:52:29] would be matched, and then local\: removed [02:52:51] eg local:{{localurl:page}} would become [02:53:08] eg local:{{localurl:page|action=edit}} would become [02:53:42] that'd be about the least hackish way to do it, compared to making magic words or special pages for each action [02:53:54] IMHO ^_^ [02:53:56] *Splarka hides [02:54:19] twin, you mean file:/// links? [02:54:36] local:file:/// would fail the local\:\/[^/] match [02:57:00] (hmm, with the current method though, it would require a dirty hack somewhere between the $wgUrlProtocols and the parser, eh?) [03:09:17] 03aaron * r29022 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Gah, this check should stay [03:13:43] Splarka: no [03:13:51] Splarka: i meant [03:14:07] but apparently that isn't special (unless you use \\ instead, at least in IE) [03:15:24] does anyone know how to make tortoisesvn not open a command window when doing stuff? [03:15:28] (i think it's plink doing it) [03:17:42] 03(NEW) Preview in section editing mode with pictures may look messy - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12450 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (sco_scam) [03:18:15] 03(NEW) Title canonicalisation in AjaxFunctions.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12451 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mediawiki) [03:18:46] 03(mod) Preview in section editing mode with pictures may look messy - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12450 (10sco_scam) [03:20:34] twin: ahh, IE was fun that way, and there was another trick, in 5 or 4 or something... [03:21:46] "get the security update at microsoft.com" [03:22:15] which would send you to 12.3.45.6:8080 and looked almost like a real URL (the backslash) [03:22:26] <3 IE [03:27:24] the @ problem isn't specific to IE, that's a standard URL... [03:31:36] *AaronSchulz giggles [03:44:11] twin: the \ specifically [03:44:28] *Splarka puts it in simple words ^_^ [03:44:55] IE used to allow "\" in the username or login field of http://username:login@server:port syntax [03:46:44] hmmm [03:46:48] *qsheets is bored [04:01:17] Splarka: why wouldn't it? [04:06:44] er, rather, it allowed frontslashes in username/login [04:11:13] ok so basically i'm writing a login.php that will authenticate using wikidb database, i have the html form for the inputs, which works, but i want the script to handle wrong logins etc, how can i get the login form from mediawiki or how can i change the login form? [04:12:16] eugo: if ($loginiswrong) { echo "your login is wrong"; } ? [04:14:11] twincest thx, that helps, but could i get some reference, like what functions should i use to authenticate etc... [04:14:49] eugo: you just said the form works, how could it work if it doesn't authenticate anything? [04:15:02] all it does is send it to [04:15:38] index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login&returnto=Main_Page etc, and mediawiki does all the work [04:15:53] all i did was copy the source from html when viewing the login page [04:16:20] it'd be better to copy /includes/SpecialUserlogin.php so that you can get the real code behind it too [04:16:53] hmm so that is the core login script? [04:17:00] i was looking for it [04:17:01] yes [04:17:15] there might be other files and stuff it calls, but that's the gist of it [04:18:20] 03aaron * r29023 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Make some pages unlisted [04:18:23] my login.php is the first thing a visitor sees, should i add include LocalSetting.php to the script or any other declarations? [04:22:34] *qsheets is deciding if he should release his newest extension update on the 31st or on the 1st [04:22:59] why not the 28th? [04:23:00] s/if/whether [04:23:12] Skizzerz: 28th? [04:23:22] *qsheets finished today [04:23:23] exactlyu [04:23:29] *exactly [04:23:32] and today is the 29th [04:23:39] go back in time [04:23:42] lol [04:25:22] so the real question is, do i want the version after 1.10 to be 1.12 or 2.01 [04:26:08] 13.37 [04:26:15] *qsheets thinks and decides... [04:26:32] make it 13.37 :) [04:26:36] or 9001 [04:26:58] Skizzerz: NO, I have a a version naming scheme already [04:27:22] and it doesn't revolve around internet memes? [04:27:38] nope [04:27:46] :( [04:27:58] [Year in development].[month] [04:28:01] Skizzerz, like Apache? [04:28:03] ah [04:28:12] 1.3.37! [04:28:17] indeed :) [04:28:27] :P [04:29:13] I have decided to release the new version on January 1st 2008 at 12:00 am... [04:29:22] making the ver. 2.01 [04:29:25] ok [04:29:45] 'twill be a New Year's Gift [04:30:13] cool [04:30:21] What extension, may I ask? [04:30:29] IRc Chat [04:30:33] * IRC [04:30:39] ah [04:30:44] 03(NEW) Mod of Uploading Interface to encourage copyright compliance - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12452 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (mattbisanz) [04:31:00] awesome, considering I was just bugging a wiki I visit to install it xD [04:31:09] *qsheets loves how "it" can be contracted into so many verbs [04:31:21] "it" being the IRC Chat extension [04:31:51] "it" being the word "it" [04:31:57] that too [04:32:07] <(^^,)> [04:32:23] *qsheets also likes the long smilies [04:33:16] mm, ambiguity [04:33:25] nothing is lighter than air [04:33:31] lol [04:33:39] you sure? [04:33:45] nothing is lighter than anything [04:34:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_ambiguity [04:34:40] nothing can put a lot of weight on a person or any animal [04:36:50] d[-.-]b [04:37:19] Nothing has no weight, it can't be called lighter than anything. [04:37:26] "Nothing is lighter than air" is wrong either way. [04:38:54] lol [04:38:55] lighter meaning less dense, unlike some people one could name [04:39:05] Simetrical: doesn't get it [04:39:07] "Nothing has no weight" <-- oddly, that opens a whole new can of worms [04:39:19] because weight is an illusion of gravity + mass ^_^ [04:39:39] No, weight is a force. [04:39:43] but the other interpretation is that 'everything has weight' [04:39:57] The weight of an object is defined to be the gravitational force acting on that object. [04:40:06] exactly [04:40:14] The weight of anything other than an object is undefined, and therefore "nothing" has no weight. [04:40:15] so nothing has no gravity attracting it as it has no mass [04:40:22] so it is lighter ^_^ [04:40:50] I suppose you could argue that the weight of anything not subject to gravity is zero. [04:41:01] In that case, however, to determine density you still need volume. [04:41:11] Volume for nothing, if defined, is presumably zero. [04:41:12] "nothing can put a lot of weight on a person or any animal" ---> 1) There is no way anybody can gain a lot of weight 2) laziness can cause a person to gain a lot of weight [04:41:21] Therefore the density is undefined either way. [04:42:12] imagine a pair of metal cans, one filled with air, one filled with nothing, which one is lighter? and if the mass of the can is subtracted, which one is still lighter for the volume? [04:42:21] nothing! [04:42:29] nothing can prove my point [04:42:44] and nothing will allow us to agree [04:42:52] LMAO [04:43:01] You're not taking the density of nothing, though, you're taking the density of an object, which has no contents. [04:43:13] nothing also proves that a single penny is better than everlasting love, but that's a whole new ballpark [04:43:26] MZMcBride: we are arguing over NOTHING [04:43:39] You'd need at least a dollar to be better than everlasting love, what with inflation. [04:43:40] nothing is undefined [04:43:56] errr... mediawiki, anyone? [04:44:04] Simetrical: no, because nothing is better than everlasting love [04:44:07] ... [04:44:15] and it can also be argued that a single penny is better than nothing [04:44:26] therefore, a single penny is better than everlasting love [04:44:33] I like that logic. [04:44:50] except we didn't ask for your two cents [04:44:56] There's some term for it, which slips my mind. [04:45:00] Equivocation, that's it. [04:45:04] *Simetrical goes to bed [04:45:42] YAY [04:45:58] is there a bug about being able to categorize the talk page of an article from the article? [04:46:27] *Skizzerz searched bugzilla and found (surprise) nothing [04:46:56] really? [04:47:02] yeah [04:47:11] of course, I only searched open bugs [04:47:21] so if it was resolved as WONTFIX or something, I didn't get it [04:47:53] wtf did I walk into? [04:48:10] AaronSchulz: the end of a tangent [04:48:10] because i know people have complained that they don't want articles categorized under things like "articles needing cleanup" [04:48:14] Simetrical: I'd have to agree with you about the "weight" of nothing being null/undefined [04:48:17] AaronSchulz: nothing [04:48:36] lol... here we go... [04:49:35] how hard would it be to have code that would allow the article's talk page to be categorized instead of the actual article, from the article? [04:50:17] wait... categorize the talk page of an article instead of the article itself via categories put into the article itself? [04:50:31] Did I understand you correctly? [04:50:35] ... [04:50:37] that feature just seems wrong to me [04:50:37] well more likely via templates, but something like that [04:50:44] ... [04:50:47] well it would be so that a tag would appear on the page [04:50:50] i think we need proper metadata, like 'needs cleanup', that could be configured to put stuff in categories [04:50:56] but the category wouldn't appear at the bottom [04:51:11] because really, the categories aren't for readers [04:51:27] no average reader wants to be able to click to see how many articles were tagged for cleanup in july [04:51:32] or something like [[Maintenance:Foo]] that categorizes but doesn't add to #catlinks [04:51:40] so, you'd have to load the entire text of the real article behind the scenes of the talk page to display the category box at the bottom [04:52:09] or just detect that presence of certain code... [04:52:20] category membership is stored in a table [04:53:09] #catlinks a[href^="/wiki/Category:Maintenance"] {display:none;} [04:53:10] *Splarka giggles [04:53:45] hasn't there been discussion of getting categories out of the main editing box before? [04:54:05] i imagine making that change would make the talk page thing easier... [04:54:39] it would, but it would make categorizing harder [04:55:14] but it could make removing / renaming categories easier... [04:55:27] just depends on how it was implemented, i suppose [04:55:28] true [04:55:35] and yeah [04:55:48] but the point is, how will users be able to change categories of pages then? [04:55:49] twincest: lol, we should dup the category system but for maintenance categories [04:56:03] new namespace and all [04:56:06] i just kind of surprised there isn't an active bug about this [04:56:45] Skizzerz: a separate box could come up, or there could be a special page, or something more fun like an AJAX pop-up... [04:57:08] all AJAX needs a non javascript-based alternative [04:57:25] (all AJAX essential to carrying out basic wiki functions) [04:57:39] we could eliminate all non-javascript users :) [04:57:51] yeah, i know, it could use a separate page or something [04:57:55] fuck those fuckers [04:58:02] like (un)watch does [04:58:28] javascript is fun, but requiring it is ... bad mkay [04:58:31] *Skizzerz has NoScript, so he has to manually enable javascript on a per-site basis if it has js functions [04:58:46] javascript is pretty widespread [04:59:55] yes, but flashy annoying stuff annoys me, which is why I have it forbidden everywhere by default (plus it adds to page load times) [05:00:46] true [05:00:59] annoying stuff annoys me too [05:01:04] that's why i always use instead of JS [05:05:03] hmm [05:05:51] 03(mod) List of footnotes separate from references in Cite.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11899 (10voyagerfan5761) [05:06:14] 03(mod) Dead end InterWiki prefixes due to missing sister projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4558 (10gangleri) [05:06:49] so what did 16209 and 16210 do? what is "subclassing" ? [05:12:21] does MW support animated GIFs??? [05:12:29] yeah [05:12:35] kk [05:12:38] Splarka: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Subclass_%28database_theory%29 ? [05:14:58] ew, secure [05:15:44] stubby [05:16:35] <^demon> Hey, odd PHP question. I've set up a bit of pseudocode to explain it. Basically. I'm trying to have a file with several arrays, and return one of them based on what was passed when the method is called. However, it says undefined variable. Here's the mock-up: http://pastey.net/79772 [05:18:05] try global-ing the two arrays after you require the file... [05:20:06] <^demon> That worked. [05:20:15] <^demon> Fixed the first of two issues, but the 2nd is unrelated. Thanks. [05:21:32] 03(NEW) Biography Sting(Singer) Sting(Wresler) shows the Bio of Sting wresler. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12453 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Documentation; (rajit4u) [06:18:55] arg, damn parser... [06:27:17] ok... maybe that wasn't the issue... [06:30:10] 'damn parser' is always the right answer, whatever the problem is [06:33:04] lol [06:33:17] Meh, I think it was YouTube's fault this time [06:33:47] For some odd reason, video urls in the embeds use & instead of ? as the query separator [06:34:01] Damn rewriters [07:28:17] hello everyone [07:28:44] is there a system message that would allow text to show up at the top of every page when someone is viewing in edit mode? [07:29:00] in the same place as the "warning this page is xx kb long" [07:32:20] there are many messages that appear above the edit window, eg namespaceprotected, cascadeprotected, protectedpagetext, editinginterface, customcssjsprotected, titleprotected... as well as situations such as editintro=page and action=submit (preview), but I do not believe there is one yet, that always appears above [07:32:55] ok [07:33:03] although edittools always appears below, as well as a copyright warning [07:33:22] ahh yah I guess edittools would be good enough [07:33:23] either copyrightwarning or copyrightwarning2 [07:33:25] since it's near the submit button [07:33:35] both of thoese are below right? [07:33:45] they are, IIRC, between the edit window and submit tools [07:33:56] for a small line warning of the copyright status of the wiki [07:34:01] *qsheets has a puzzling issue... [07:34:10] ok, thank you very much :) [07:34:23] on my wiki, Special:Version comes up blank [07:35:47] Splarka: can you solve that? [07:35:57] link? [07:36:26] http://www.adambots.com/index.php?title=Special:Version [07:37:28] cool site [07:37:37] thx [07:37:49] how long did that all take you? [07:38:09] t0lk: add &useskin=adambotsv3 for it to look nicer [07:38:32] t0lk: it's a team thing [07:39:04] mysterious, no content [07:39:09] i kno [07:39:32] qsheets nah I like the default skin :p [07:39:42] lol [07:40:28] t0lk: then you might like, &useskin=narrow [07:41:52] you have a lot of these huh? lol [07:42:02] a few [07:42:08] default's still my favorite, i'm a big fan of white [07:42:44] We only have 4 skins, not including monobook [07:43:19] *qsheets is going to play w/ LocalSettings.php to see if it fixes itself [07:46:18] Splarka: LMAO [07:47:07] It is the one extension that was made by the MW developers that does it... [07:48:37] nice [07:50:02] Cite.php [07:59:46] how so qsheets? [08:06:38] idk... [08:07:16] but thats the only one that needs to be disabled for it to show up [09:24:51] http://www.chronarion.org/chirpy/index.cgi?id=5509 [09:51:43] http://htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F&spider=yes&hidevalid=yes Isn't that a problem? Shouldn't it always be valid if you edit in Wikipedia for example? [09:55:13] 03grondin * r29024 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki [09:55:32] 03grondin * r29025 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/OggHandler.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (02:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)) [09:57:50] you want tidy should to remove or rename all duplicate IDs before rendering? [09:58:22] "Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenius." [10:00:44] jocke: there is no guarantee that mediawiki produces valid html [10:01:17] twincest, no but I am suggesting that it could. [10:01:33] yes, it could. [10:01:43] if you want to make it, please feel free [10:02:04] twincest: mediawiki must produce valid html itself (but it shouldn't validate parser output) [10:02:38] VasilievVV: by 'produce' i mean 'output to the browser' [10:02:53] i see [10:10:25] Hello [10:10:55] hi [10:11:47] T_T programming withdrawl... [10:11:52] Hi Grondin [10:14:30] T_T Only shut down Eclipse about half an hour ago after making good work on WikiVid... And I'm already having issues stoping myself from opening it back up... [10:14:52] 03grondin * r29030 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (02:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)) [10:15:01] 03siebrand * r29031 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (16 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2007-12-30 11:05 CET) [11:30:23] 03(mod) Add [[Special:History/Page]] and [[Special:Edit/Page]] as functional internal wiki links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [11:38:53] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 +comment (10encukou) [11:49:09] <_wooz> lo [11:57:11] 03(FIXED) Missing Comma in AutoLoader.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12422 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:06:03] 03(NEW) Blocking-Bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (wiki) [12:10:47] 14(WFM) Blocking-Bug - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [13:12:07] is there any standard to the template/doc page? any docs I can read on it? or is it just a made-up thing? ;) [13:12:27] ah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_doc_page_pattern#How_to_create_a_documentation_subpage [13:12:29] ne'ermind. [13:44:59] rawr [14:28:59] hi, somebody knows a plugin that automatically sets the wiki language to the visitors browser language? [14:42:58] becks`: I don't know exactly what you mean, but maybe you are looking for http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector [14:47:01] thanks SPQRobin, LanguageSelector sounds great :-)) [15:03:39] mmmm... extension eggs... http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6461/fireshotcapture5internayh5.png [15:03:58] I seem to be having issues with svg files being uploaded... when it converts them to png, I just have a white box for the image.. any idea what the problem might be or how I can track it down? [15:04:59] Do you have your wiki configured to use a program to convert the svgs? [15:05:11] yup, its set to use imagemagick [15:05:32] hmmm... [15:05:35] 03(mod) Entering a query on Special:Ask results on a empty page. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 (10bakkerl) [15:05:38] 03(NEW) Entering a query on Special:Ask results on a empty page. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12455 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (bakkerl) [15:06:09] Well, I don't know much about using imagemagic... I prefer use of Inkscape's binaries. Guess someone else will have to help [15:13:09] is there standard CSS that can produce a gradient border? [15:19:56] Hi! Does MW1.12 happen to significantly change the way in which parser functions and template expansion interact? [15:20:17] I have a parser function that creates output of the form "{{Some template}}" [15:20:49] And it broke within the last couple of MW revisions. [15:21:48] More precisely, 1.12alpha (r26187) works while 1.12alpha (r29006) does not. [15:22:18] you could stary by reading == Parser changes in 1.12 == [15:22:23]