[00:04:46] Is the only way to change one of my user's passwords by actually querying the database? [00:06:02] zuez, or requesting a reset, or installing an extension. [00:06:09] zuez: it's in the faq. but there should generally not be any reason to do that. users can request a new password via email. [00:06:11] I believe there's a ResetPassword extension. [00:06:18] Duesentrieb, if they don't have an e-mail? [00:06:29] yah, I don't think this particular user has their e-mail set [00:06:34] if I can change that, then that's golden [00:06:35] Simetrical: it's much easier to set that in the db than to set a password :) [00:06:46] That's true. [00:06:51] zuez: the user table has an email field [00:06:55] zuez, you still have to set the e-mail in the database. [00:07:00] ok [00:07:01] hi Simetrical and Duesentrieb [00:07:06] hello Nikerabbit [00:07:07] Hi, Nikerabbit. [00:07:34] like two berries :D [00:08:40] *Simetrical doesn't get it [00:08:51] I've made i18n exporting faster again, so our trained monke..exporters can do exports twice as often ;) [00:11:43] Nikerabbit, how about having BetaWiki commit directly? [00:11:47] With a dedicated user? [00:11:59] Simetrical: maybe [00:12:02] we thougt about it [00:12:05] Then 1) doesn't risk overwriting SVN commits, 2) can be more easily blocked. [00:12:12] (from e-mail) [00:12:22] 1) nana [00:12:30] we need still human to do exporting [00:12:41] What do you mean? [00:12:44] and what do you mean directly? [00:12:50] everytime someone changes one message? [00:13:24] Sure, why not? [00:13:31] Or have a "commit" button. [00:13:34] Not one message. :) [00:13:36] 03(mod) Activate enwikiquote user talk-page change notification - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12295 (10cbrown1023) [00:13:36] Simetrical: 1000 commits a day? no thanks [00:13:38] One localization session. [00:14:02] Same as an SVN committer for a given language might commit once a day. [00:14:17] I suppose it's no problem if people use consistent commit messages, I can filter on that. [00:14:29] when we have human, he can 1) ignore things that should not be exported 2) review that export works 3) clean up the export produced by script 4) review that exported messages are sane [00:14:44] Mmm. [00:15:19] Simetrical: maybe what you really want is something magic like I18N_COMMIT in the message [00:15:42] Yeah, whatever it is. [00:16:00] I don't really care about the localization itself (except that I think it's a good thing), I just don't want it cluttering my mailbox. [00:16:20] that would be easy solution, assuming 1) we can inform all i18n committers about it 2) they remember to use it [00:16:46] Well, I was thinking BetaWiki only. [00:17:02] More direct approach, maybe: just write a script to check the files it modifies. [00:17:03] :) [00:17:09] Of course then I can't use the Gmail interface itself. [00:17:25] gmail <3 [00:17:30] I have to use an e-mail program. And I have too little RAM already. :( [00:18:51] i do i disable user registration? [00:19:02] !prevacc | Ashfire908 [00:19:02] --mwbot-- Ashfire908 : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access [00:19:37] so to sum up 1) no automatic commits (security, review) 2) possible practical solution some magic string in commit messages [00:20:13] (2) isn't practical, a script to parse the commit message makes more sense. [00:20:21] Problem is that I can't do that with Gmail. [00:20:23] Which is a pain. [00:21:10] 03aaron * r29352 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount.i18n.php ConfirmAccount_body.php): [00:21:10] * Let users check fields of interest. This can add text to their userpage by default. [00:21:10] * Fix title param loss with navigation links. [00:21:38] Simetrical: and how would you decide when to filter? like the above commit [00:21:58] sounds overtly complex [00:24:43] meow [00:25:05] meow! [00:25:28] I see you are creating something to do for our translators [00:25:57] Nikerabbit, $lines = explode( $email, "\n" ); $paths = false; foreach( $lines as $line ) { if( !$paths && $line == 'Modified Paths:' ) { $paths = true; continue; } if( $paths && $line = '' ) break; if( $paths && $line != '--------------' && !preg_match( '/\.i18n|messages/', $line ) ) exit(0); } archive_message(); [00:27:06] Simetrical: maybe if mail clients had php plugin :D [00:27:25] hello, I did an upgrade the other day and now I cannot upload images, can anyone help please? [00:27:43] Nikerabbit, surely Thunderbird allows arbitrary scripts of some kind? [00:27:56] Simetrical: dunno [00:28:49] When I insert an image link into an article, save and click the link I get this error: "The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver." [00:29:08] Nikerabbit, hmm, looks like not? You can write an extension, apparently, and that's about it . . . [00:29:11] I have looked through bugzilla for about three hours and nothing could I find [00:29:15] And/or use some kind of JS . . . [00:29:26] silly, is the directory writable by the web server? [00:29:32] yes 777 [00:29:42] first thing I checked [00:29:59] silly, are all parent directories of the directory executable? [00:30:12] it is a wiki-family with shared uploads and was working fine on 1.8.3 [00:31:23] yes all the subdirectories of the "images" directory are 777 [00:31:45] parent directories, not subdirectories [00:31:59] Simetrical: if the parent directories weren't executable, the wiki couldn't even be used :) [00:32:19] Skizzerz, guess not, but otherwise I'm not sure what the answer is. [00:32:29] silly, do you have safe mode, open_basedir, or similar restrictions in place? [00:32:49] the parent of images is /wiki/ should I make this more than 775?? [00:32:57] no [00:33:03] silly, no, it just needs to be executable. [00:33:06] Not writable. [00:33:14] silly have you tried restarting apache? [00:34:02] ok no i havent tried researting apache, Ill do that, but first can you tell me how or where to change safe mode, open_basedir [00:34:31] Would an upgrade have changed that?? [00:34:52] only if you upgraded php [00:35:03] I did not upgrade php [00:35:40] it might be in /etc/php, but that can be system dependent [00:37:49] my open_basedir shows no value [00:38:42] ok [00:39:22] back in 15 minutes sorry.. [00:39:52] trying to find a cheat sheet but not successful in finding one which shows how the syntax for adding code samples to a wiki article [00:40:38] !syntax [00:40:38] --mwbot-- For help with MediaWiki's Wikitext syntax, please see . [00:40:45] err, no [00:40:48] thanks [00:40:49] !highlight [00:40:49] --mwbot-- there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [00:40:52] that one [00:40:56] ok :-) [00:44:58] is there a simple way to just block off some code without the extension/syntax highlighting? [00:45:13] I just need it to format it, kind of like [code] [/code] on forums or in HTML, etc [00:45:18] you can use 

[00:45:23] 	for blocks of code
[00:45:42] 	 for inline (I THINK that works -- if not try )
[00:45:53] 	ok, thanks man
[00:46:12] 	perfect, pre did it
[00:46:13] 	cheers
[00:48:21] 	zuez: if you want to keep wiki-styling with pre-wrapped/indented text, you can simply use indented lines. play with it a bit :)
[00:48:45] 	
 implicitely disables all wiki formatting
[00:48:54] 	(so do the highlight extensions)
[00:50:00] 	pre was perfect for my intentions, just showing some developers sample code
[00:50:12] 	they'll live without the pretty colors :-)
[01:18:38] 	03aaron * r29353 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Remove out of place message
[01:20:33] 	hello I upgraded to 1.11.0 and i get this error now, it was working before..   The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver.
[01:21:30] 	have you checked file permissions and safe-mode?
[01:22:32] 	yes the image directoy is 777, could you tell me how to check safe-mode? 
[01:23:16] 	ok i see it
[01:23:21] 	safe mode is off
[01:24:57] 	should it be on??
[01:27:41] 	no
[01:28:43] 	ok so Im fine on safe-mode, someone else mentioned open_basedir 
[01:29:17] 	this shows "no value" on my info.php page
[01:30:02] 	should there be a value?
[01:32:15] 	I spent a few hours looking through bugzilla and couldnt find anything does anyone know what I should do?
[01:41:39] 	silly: well... find out why it thinks it can't write to that directory. if no safemode stuff is in palce, and file permissions are all good, i can't think of a reason. 
[01:41:53] 	except... if you are using SELinux, you should look at file ACLs
[01:42:12] 	i think suse has this enabled per default, and maybe some other distros too
[01:42:18] 	It is an wiki family that uploads files to the commons or global
[01:42:34] 	It worked before i upgraded to 1.11.0
[01:42:52] 	i dont use SELinux
[01:43:56] 	could it be a LocalSettings config issue that is now discontinued?
[01:43:57] 	no idea then, sorry. that would be the point where you find the php code that produces the error, and start to add trace output...
[01:44:03] 	I'm pretty sure is_writeable() doesn't check safe_mode or selinux
[01:44:04] 	03aaron * r29354 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Store reason for held requests
[01:44:42] 	Permission denied in wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1670
[01:45:14] 	oh sorry
[01:45:38] 	this error is my second (and only) other problem. No Thumbnails show up
[01:45:53] 	just full size images from the commons
[01:46:27] 	but that is not my priority if any help can be given, I really need it on the file upload problem
[01:49:23] 	most likely the problem is that the directory is completely wrong, and not writable into the bargain
[01:49:33] 	When I click on an red image link it takes me to the Special:upload page then I choose a file and click upload and then the Internal error page opens
[01:50:12] 	The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver. 
[01:50:26] 	ok let me double check my localsettings
[01:51:20] 	I've never had much success with double-checking, personally
[01:52:23] 	you should set pathDisclosureProtection to 'none' somehow
[01:52:31] 	unfortunately I didn't think to provide a global for that
[01:53:17] 	ok pathDisclosureProtection to 'none' somehow = in php right?
[01:53:42] 	03aaron * r29355 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: *Just escape the form name to be consistent
[01:54:02] 	well, you could migrate to the new-style repo settings
[01:56:01] 	is the problem with your local repository, or your commons repository?
[01:56:19] 	local, I guess, if it's on upload
[01:56:27] 	I am only uploading to the commons from 4 language wikis
[01:57:00] 	If I go to global and upload a file, i can then bring it into any other languages wiki
[01:57:29] 	in includes/filerepo/FSRepo.php, there is this:
[01:57:33] 		var $pathDisclosureProtection = 'simple';
[01:57:38] 	you can change that to none
[01:57:54] 	but if I want to upload a file from the English lang wiki for example. it gives the error. ok Ill add that to try
[01:59:05] 	03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837  (10Aphaia)
[02:01:14] 	now it gives this error "The upload directory (/var/www/vhosts/etnopedia.org/subdomains/en/httpdocs/wiki/images) is not writable by the webserver. 
[02:01:39] 	have you tried restarting apache yet?
[02:02:06] 	I researted the server, shouldnt that work?
[02:02:47] 	ya if you restarted the entire machine, that would restart apache too, if that's what you mean
[02:02:59] 	so what does this do: ls -l /var/www/vhosts/etnopedia.org/subdomains/en/httpdocs/wiki/images
[02:03:03] 	yes but just a soft book not a shut down
[02:03:19] 	sounds a bit excessive to m
[02:03:21] 	me
[02:03:36] 	soft boot - restart
[02:04:07] 	I can't imagine any cause of this problem which would require restarting the machine
[02:04:38] 	ya, restarting apache should of been enough
[02:04:57] 	I was thinking the upgrade might of been confusing apache and therefor php
[02:05:52] 	total 8
[02:05:52] 	drwxr-xr-x  2 etnopedia psacln 4096 Jan  4 10:19 deleted
[02:05:52] 	-rw-r--r--  1 etnopedia psacln  203 Jan  4 10:19 README
[02:06:01] 	this is what i get in shell for total 8
[02:06:01] 	drwxr-xr-x  2 etnopedia psacln 4096 Jan  4 10:19 deleted
[02:06:01] 	-rw-r--r--  1 etnopedia psacln  203 Jan  4 10:19 README
[02:06:05] 	sorrry
[02:06:06] 	I mean ls -ld
[02:07:38] 	ls -ld /var/www/vhosts/etnopedia.org/subdomains/en/httpdocs/wiki/images
[02:07:43] 	ok
[02:07:46] 	trying
[02:09:02] 	it takes me to that dir then shows drwxr-xr-x  3 etnopedia psacln 4096 Jan  4 10:19
[02:10:02] 	mmm, well that doesn't look like 777 to me
[02:10:08] 	ya
[02:10:58] 	ive been checking it through ftp and it shows 777 i just did again??
[02:11:02] 	Oh man!!
[02:11:04] 	that looks like 755
[02:11:26] 	FTP might have a different root directory
[02:11:39] 	Can you please tell me how to change this in shell? to 777
[02:11:55] 	chmod 777 /var/www/vhosts/etnopedia.org/subdomains/en/httpdocs/wiki/images
[02:13:36] 	oh nooo that was the problem. I Ill never use ftp to check permissions, sorry to waist your time
[02:16:29] 	I do have one more problem with seeing thumbnails from images in the commons. Error creating thumbnail: sh: /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory
[02:17:13] 	if your not to mad at me now to help.. this issue has never worked, ever since i set up the wiki family
[02:17:44] 	its probably looking for files in the wrong place...
[02:18:39] 	should i not use $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";
[02:20:13] 	i just uploaded the file
[02:22:16] 	ok i commented out $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert"; and that did not work
[02:22:36] 	still no thumbnails
[02:24:26] 	ill look on bugzilla, thanks VERY MUCH for helping me with my other problem. 
[02:25:05] 	seems to be the default value
[02:25:18] 	you can try typing "which convert" to see if its in the same place
[02:25:34] 	how about what $wgSharedUploadPath is set to?
[02:27:58] 	it is bringing in all the other images in commons
[02:28:01] 	the wiki
[02:28:48] 	$wgSharedUploadPath = 'http://global.etnopedia.org/wiki/images/';
[02:29:34] 	you could just use GD
[02:30:12] 	sorry, what is GD?
[02:33:31] 	one of the main purposes of my project is to share the same picture across languages so I need to use shared uploads
[02:35:02] 	ok i see GD is some other means by which thumbs render..
[02:35:07] 	03aaron * r29356 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Replace and escape (XHTML)
[02:35:24] 	I have tried to turn off imagemagick 
[02:37:01] 	ok it is fixed. it is a combination of commenting out $wgImageMagickConvertCommand and switching $wgUseImageMagick = false;
[02:37:19] 	you can just comment out $wgUseImageMagick = true; dont know why??
[02:39:20] 	Thank you again TimStarling, darkcode, Duesentrieb and Simetrical, all my problems are fixed!
[02:39:48] 	should be -  you CAN'T just comment out $wgUseImageMagick = true; dont know why??
[03:06:02] 	Well I thought my thumbnails was fixed. I saw a thumbnail on one page and then the error is back
[03:06:54] 	Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in blah/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1670
[03:10:32] 	the images come in fine from the commons as long as it is not a thumbnail. 
[03:12:27] 	how does one add html tags to be used isn a wiki page?
[03:12:38] 	ok, I would imagine you are all a bit mad at me right now..
[03:12:53] 	qsheets: Sanitizer.php
[03:13:09] 	unless you mean fake html tags (parser hooks), then you do it via extension
[03:13:57] 	to elaborate, if you wanted to allow  you'd edit Sanitizer, if you wanted to create a new tag like  you'd add new parser hooks via extension
[03:18:21] 	ok im seeing something new. when I click on any image in an article it takes me to that articles page and shows the image but. this error appears below global/httpdocs/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 157
[03:19:09] 	strange thing is that there is NO line 157on my local settings..
[03:27:13] 	Hi
[03:27:53] 	My wiki says "PHP 5.0.x is buggy on your 64-bit system; you must upgrade to PHP 5.1.x or higher. ABORTING. (http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=34879 for details)" when I followed this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_PHP_as_a_CGI_module%2C_no_root_access
[03:28:10] 	I used for .htaccess the version that is under "The version below doesn't have these two disadvantages:"
[03:28:30] 	timofonic, it's unrelated to the rewriting.
[03:28:35] 	It's weird as the hosting is running 5.2.2!
[03:28:38] 	. . . 
[03:28:41] 	That is weird.
[03:28:43] 	PHP 5.2.2
[03:28:45] 	Yes
[03:28:50] 	03greg * r29357 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/captcha.py: Skip words if they don't contain all letters.
[03:28:51] 	Something is nevertheless badly wrong if that error appears.
[03:29:27] 	I thinked on the easy solution (revert on the last working version) but it could be nice to fix it :P
[03:29:45] 	nevermind, the hosting guy helped
[03:29:56] 	" human failure.  You took commented out my php5 handler."
[03:30:03] 	LOL, I feel very stupid :P
[03:31:30] 	Now the formatting is missing! Well :P
[03:32:45] 	Well, I'm off to bed.  Good night.
[03:32:46] 	Simetrical, any idea?
[03:32:52] 	oops, no problem
[03:32:54] 	Thanks for all
[03:34:23] 	Anyone experienced a similar problem?
[03:39:12] 	timofonic - you probably know this but in the readme of the 1.11.0 upgrade it says PHP5.2+ or could experience problems
[03:39:44] 	silly, it did worked before using the latest .htaccess on that howto
[03:39:51] 	I upgraded on 5.0.x and everything is working.. except my thumbnails
[03:40:02] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_PHP_as_a_CGI_module%2C_no_root_access
[03:40:10] 	After using the latest one...
[03:41:00] 	Here's the address: http://wiki.atarichat.net
[03:41:55] 	looks fine, wheres the error?
[03:42:25] 	what?
[03:42:36] 	on http://wiki.atarichat.net
[03:42:41] 	Uhm, going to clean cache
[03:43:33] 	ok i see, no skin
[03:43:37] 	yes
[03:43:49] 	I treied cleaning cache and other browsers, no skin
[03:44:06] 	It worked with the first version of .htaccess on that manual
[03:44:16] 	But well, urls with slashes not works :P
[03:45:20] 	I don't understand what occours really, I just followed the manual
[03:46:15] 	http://wiki.atarichat.net/skins/monobook/main.css
[03:46:19] 	I detected the problem
[03:46:57] 	But why? :P
[03:47:32] 	Something broken the access to css
[03:47:39] 	you wiki is installed in root?
[03:47:47] 	No, shared hosting
[03:47:55] 	try choosing another skin
[03:48:02] 	Uhm
[03:48:08] *Skizzerz 	meant like /home/timofonic/public_html/
[03:48:12] 	to see if it works
[03:48:15] 	which would be root for you
[03:48:41] 	silly, need to modify LocalSettinhs.php ?
[03:48:44] 	Skizzerz, yes
[03:48:56] 	!rewriteproblems | timofonic 
[03:48:56] --mwbot--	timofonic : 1) Do not put the files into the document root; 2) Do not map the pages into the document root; 3) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 4) Do not set a RewriteBase; 5) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[03:49:11] 	you're messing up 1-3 :)
[03:49:23] 	 /home/timofonic/public_html
[03:49:28] 	yeah
[03:49:38] 	Not wiki/ directory
[03:49:42] 	move the wiki to a subdirectory of public_html
[03:49:51] 	Like wiki/ ?
[03:49:53] 	and THEN it will work with http://yourwiki.com/pagename
[03:49:54] 	yes
[03:50:09] 	OK, going to move
[03:54:17] 	Skizzerz, move. need to modify config files?
[03:54:37] 	not sure, but I'm leaning on "no"
[03:55:27] 	unless you have any absolute paths (with the http://) in which case change those to reflect the addition of the subdir
[03:55:59] 	No input file specified.
[03:57:16] 	Skizzerz, the site says that now :P
[03:57:24] 	bah...
[03:57:39] 	make sure $wgScriptPath and $wgStylePath are set up correcty
[03:57:58] 	and make sure the .htaccess is pointing to the correct location of index.php
[03:58:35] 	(the .htaccess that rewrites the URLs should remain in public_html btw)
[03:58:35] 	Skizzerz, /home/timofonic/public_html/wiki/index.php
[03:58:44] 	that one?
[03:59:09] 	Skizzerz, RewriteRule  ^(.+)  /wiki/$1  [L]
[03:59:17] 	the other one
[03:59:24] 	Skizzerz, ?
[03:59:36] 	you should have two RewriteRules...
[03:59:39] 	what's the other one?
[03:59:41] 	Skizzerz, oh yes
[03:59:50] 	I have three
[03:59:56] 	er, meh
[03:59:57] 	Skizzerz, RewriteRule ^/*$ /index.php?title=Main_Page [L,QSA]
[04:00:05] 	Skizzerz, RewriteRule ^(.+)$ /index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
[04:00:18] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_PHP_as_a_CGI_module%2C_no_root_access
[04:00:23] 	change the last two to have /wiki before the /index.php
[04:00:26] 	"The version below doesn't have these two disadvantages:"
[04:00:42] 	and remove the /wiki/ from the /wiki/$1 to make it just /$1
[04:00:43] 	ok
[04:04:04] 	Skizzerz, " make sure $wgScriptPath and $wgStylePath are set up correcty" I suposse LocalSettings.php
[04:04:11] 	yes
[04:04:29] 	they should be fine as default, but I don't know
[04:04:39] 	it is this line 1670 on GlobalFunctions.php that is not allowing thumbnails.
[04:04:54] 	It seems not :P
[04:05:06] 	my problem is thumbnails not your skins prob
[04:05:15] 	well, going to check if was modified, I get lost on long configuration files :P
[04:06:41] 	Skizzerz, how to specify them?
[04:06:56] 	try it without first and see if it works
[04:07:08] 	Skizzerz, I tried. See the url :P
[04:07:26] 	"The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[04:07:31] 	blablabla
[04:07:38] 	http://wiki.atarichat.net/
[04:07:55] 	yeah
[04:08:22] 	Computers hate me :(
[04:08:28] 	hmmm... that's very odd
[04:09:09] *Skizzerz 	has no idea then, sorry :(
[04:09:18] 	03aaron * r29358 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Case cleanup
[04:09:37] 	$wgScriptPath       = "";
[04:09:39] 	$wgScriptExtension  = ".php5";
[04:09:45] 	I found them, uhm
[04:10:15] 	try setting $wgScriptPath = "/wiki";
[04:10:57] 	Same problem :(
[04:11:53] 	it's probably an error in your rewrite rules. Unfortuanately, I have no skills in that area
[04:12:22] 	I have no skills on everything, but thanks :)
[04:13:41] 	Skizzerz, /home/timofonic/public_html/.htaccess
[04:13:47] 	Skizzerz, that file is OK there?
[04:13:55] 	Just to check possible human failures...
[04:13:57] 	yes
[04:14:00] 	that's where it should be
[04:14:19] 	lo, typo
[04:14:29] 	ewriteEngine on
[04:14:36] 	that might do it
[04:14:57] 	It works now, but still not CSS :P
[04:16:00] 	set $wgStylePath = "/wiki/skins"; in LocalSettings.php and see if that works
[04:19:10] 	Skizzerz, nothing :P
[04:19:18] 	grrr...
[04:20:18] 	and what version are you using?
[04:20:25] 	Skizzerz, Mediawiki?
[04:20:30] 	.11
[04:20:34] 	kk
[04:20:46] 	??
[04:21:02] 	http://wiki.atarichat.net/Special:Version
[04:21:09] 	1.11.0
[04:22:00] 	then I don't know...
[04:22:04] 	are any good web log analysis tools for mediawiki?
[04:22:07] 	what's messing up
[04:22:23] 	I am interested in seeing what are the popualr pages, discountingmy own IPs
[04:22:31] 	Skizzerz, the little bastard not wants to show the .css pages but not know why :P
[04:23:17] 	you have the QLA in the .htaccess, right?
[04:23:26] 	*QSA
[04:23:39] 	Wait
[04:23:40] 	hmm, yes, you do
[04:23:45] *Skizzerz 	scrolled up :P
[04:24:06] 	I don't know what's going wrong then, and I really have to go in about 30 seconds, sorry :(
[04:24:24] 	Skizzerz, no problem. Thanks a lot for all the help :)
[04:25:03] 	you could start a thread in the support desk ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk )
[04:25:18] 	Skizzerz, fast. What dta should i give them
[04:25:20] 	?
[04:25:22] 	data
[04:25:24] 	info
[04:25:34] 	just all that you know
[04:25:37] 	ok
[04:25:41] 	mainly what you have in .htaccess
[04:25:44] 	thanks for all, see you
[04:25:46] 	OK :)
[04:34:13] 	I  have a question about the ArticleViewHeader hoo
[04:34:16] 	hook*\
[04:34:39] 	How does that work?
[04:45:40] 	What's the correct way of putting # literally on a wiki without being interpreted as a numerical list?
[04:46:13] 	Use #
[04:46:15] 	Sorry if offtopic, but well I don't know it and going to sleep after writing the support desk thing
[04:46:18] 	Thanks
[04:48:04] 	# is less work
[04:48:19] 	but it scares brion away
[04:48:42] 	Splarka, thanks too :)
[04:48:58] 	I needed to put 
 at end, or mixed lines :P
[04:53:03] 	so i've been using the firefox 3 beta for a few days
[04:53:16] 	the good news is it's kind of pretty
[04:53:21] 	the bad news is no extensions work
[04:53:26] 	haha
[04:53:29] 	None at all?
[04:53:37] 	well none of the ones i seem to care about :)
[04:53:51] 	which would be ... ?
[04:54:09] 	The good news is that WebKit someday will scare Mozilla Team, so they will rewrite gecko and the code being cleaner and ess buggier. I hope it...
[04:54:09] 	firebug and live http headers
[04:54:21] 	hi brion
[04:54:24] 	yo tim
[04:54:53] 	Aw shit .. yeah, need those two :)
[04:54:57] 	it shouldn't be surprising that the extensions are broken, I've got a whole lot of extensions installed in firefox from 1.5 that were broken in 2.0
[04:54:58] 	Firebugs in the bloated suit :)
[04:55:14] 	Brokensions :)
[04:55:17] 	I understand that tooltips can now be of indefinite size .. that's the only good thing I've heard about ff3 :D
[04:55:27] 	hey there, having a bit of trouble. It's probably my own stupidity somehow, I don't know--normally I'd have ScarredSun help me, but she's offline
[04:56:05] 	Anyway, I'm trying to use the local upload utility. I put the files--which were correctly uploaded--in images/large, as per the directions given
[04:56:45] 	however, attempting to process the files returns the following error: "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file."
[04:56:56] 	however, there is no typo, and the file IS uploaded correctly
[04:57:04] 	I've confirmed this by re-downloading the file via FTP
[04:57:36] 	Anyone have an idea of what the problem might be?
[04:58:32] 	I'm working on dumpHTML today
[04:58:50] 	ooh fun
[04:59:13] 	Tweaker: using maintenance/importImages.php you mean?
[04:59:23] 	DumpHTML, I should say, since it's an extension now
[04:59:58] 	well, it's a special page--Special:UploadLocal. I didn't make this particular installation, so I'm not sure if that's a default module or not
[05:00:59] 	hmm, not familiar
[05:01:31] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialUploadLocal ?
[05:01:44] 	that's the one
[05:02:36] 	I thought it might be nice to fix the issue with unicode filenames on windows, by shelling out to write files
[05:03:01] 	but just running "move" didn't work, because the shell functions are broken too
[05:03:11] 	Tweaker: has it ever worked before, or does it currently work with some files? or is this a ne thing and it's never worked?
[05:03:32] 	heh
[05:03:33] 	so I ended up writing about 20 lines of VBScript to unescape the filename, create the directory, and rename the temporary file into place
[05:03:48] 	ahhh, windows. how we love thee
[05:03:49] 	seems to be working
[05:03:55] 	well, the be completely honest, I've never actually used it personally; however, other admins on the wiki have, so I know it's worked before at some point in time
[05:03:58] 	*to be
[05:04:33] 	Tweaker: what mediawiki version?
[05:06:44] 	The latest one, whatever it is... we had an upgrade the other day
[05:07:45] 	well, there have been a lot of changes to the uploaded files systems in the last couple versions
[05:07:51] 	has that extension been updated to work with them?
[05:08:17] 	I'm not sure... if it hasn't, that might be the problem
[05:08:48] 	might want to check that :)
[05:09:56] 	Well, thanks for the help. Almost thought I did something wrong, heh
[05:16:14] 	03grondin * r29359 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Patch update Kazakh language by AlefZet
[05:16:49] 	03(FIXED) Kazakh message updates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12145  +comment (10bertrand.grondin)
[05:23:27] 	03tstarling * r29360 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[05:23:27] 	* Removed some junk from the skin
[05:23:27] 	* Make snapshots of the logo, favicon and copyright icon with Http::get() and put them in the destination directory
[05:23:27] 	* Workaround for PHP's lack of unicode support on Windows.
[05:23:27] 	* Fixed various bugs introduced in the initial extension revision
[05:27:06] 	may as well give it a go with a wikimedia wiki
[05:28:45] 	03(NEW) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Phoenixoverride)
[05:30:10] 	wtf
[05:30:11] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:35:41] 	AaronSchulz: if a vote is 2:1 in support, is that enough to be called consensus?
[05:38:32] 	03tstarling * r29361 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/ (FSRepo.php RepoGroup.php): Added RepoGroup::setSingleton(). Required to support the DumpHTML extension.
[05:38:52] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[05:45:57] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534  (10N/A)
[05:54:45] 	03(mod) add the UTF-8 and RTL namespaces from [[meta:]] to test. wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12476  (10gangleri)
[05:55:02] 	anyone have a link to a mysql table design wikipedia?
[05:56:44] 	Cyndre: you want to know the database layout?
[05:57:15] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout  <-- click the various links there
[05:57:39] 	thanks :)
[05:58:37] 	sorry, was looking more for a wikipedia on best practices when designing db's and tables
[05:59:16] 	There are lots of resources out there ... don't have any handy though
[05:59:27] 	Google is your friend :)
[05:59:38] 	yea been googling it for a bit now
[06:17:57] 	03grondin * r29362 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of internationalization file of CentralAuth
[06:46:29] 	do you think it'd be faster to store files straight to a tar file instead of storing them to the filesystem?
[06:47:35] 	Hi JeLuF! re: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  sshould I see a change at  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Einstellungen ??
[07:19:13] 	google is almost my friend too, my best friend is combinding all searchs in one :)
[07:59:28] 	TimStarling: is there a way to call a message, parse  and such tags, but without parsing the whole thing to HTML?
[08:01:03] 	what does &preload use?
[08:03:00] 						// TODO FIXME: AAAAAAAAAAA, this shouldn't be implementing
[08:03:00] 						// its own mini-parser! -ævar
[08:03:02] 	hah, nm
[08:03:13] 	03(mod) Enabling subpages for it.wikisource namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12389  (10ipork)
[08:04:48] 	03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20all=20inter=20project=20pr?= =?UTF-8?Q?efixes=20should=20be=20reso?= =?UTF-8?Q?lved=20before=20=C2=AB=20oldid?===?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12535  (10N/A)
[08:53:38] 	how can I make my link = mywiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Version work like this link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version ?
[08:55:40] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[08:57:13] 	03tstarling * r29363 10/trunk/extensions/DumpHTML/dumpHTML.inc: fixed some bugs
[09:08:19] 	Splarka: Thanks :)
[09:45:50] 	In theory though, API and UI modules should *both* make clean calls to
[09:45:50] 	backend classes. An ideal API or UI module should never touch the
[09:45:50] 	database, for instance, nor check permissions.
[09:45:57] 	how long will it take for the API people to realise this? :)
[09:49:45] 	Wow, that came out of the blue :)
[09:50:00] 	The API doesn't touch the db much .. can you cite an example?
[09:50:23] 	(and while you're citing it, you can probably fix it :P)
[09:50:37] 	that was quoting brion on wikitech-l about the new right changing api
[09:50:56] 	Oh :)
[09:51:16] 	the api people keep saying that the rest of mediawiki should call the api, which is just as bad as things are now
[09:51:24] 	there should be a backend and two frontends (api, html)
[09:52:05] 	Who's saying that?
[09:52:38] 	index.php?pretendapi=true *ducks*
[10:00:27] 	03siebrand * r29364 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslationChanges.php: no spaces between language codes
[10:04:45] 	03siebrand * r29365 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (15 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-07 10:00 CET)
[10:11:20] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534  (10franamax)
[10:13:25] 	03siebrand * r29366 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialTranslationChanges.php: Usability change in copy/paste export line
[10:18:04] 	would anyone mind giving me a hand with a problem on my MediaWiki installation? I believe it's a .htaccess problem, but I'm not sure
[10:20:58] 	Pls can anybody help me  with blank page problem , while changing logo $wgLogo , in local settings.php
[10:23:07] 	sure
[10:23:27] 	What happens when you uploaded the new Localsettings.php?
[10:23:42] 	i would need help concerning page titles and finding pages. i want to build a network documentation and use a combination of host name, location, ip adress ... as page titles ... but if i search for an ip-address i get 0 search results ... has anyone got a hint for me ;-)
[10:24:06] 	hold on
[10:26:24] 	rushadrenaline: i had the same probleme when i didnt set a ";" to the end
[10:28:44] 	03(NEW) User should be able to get MediaWiki version from any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12536 15enhancement; high; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (edwardspec)
[10:29:05] 	03siebrand * r29367 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Tag extensions that cannot be exported semi-automagically through TranslationChanges.php/export.php at the moment.
[10:36:39] 	Hey everybody ,, this is my local settings.php     http://www.pastebin.ca/845015
[10:38:28] 	03siebrand * r29368 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Fix paste typo
[10:38:50] 	Where (directory) shall i put my logo , and what line shall i put in local setting.php
[10:39:36] 	!logo
[10:39:36] --mwbot--	The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See  for more information.
[10:40:16] 	hey mwbot 
[10:40:19] 	i did that 
[10:40:41] 	but when i do it,,and save,,and go for a priview 
[10:40:56] 	03(NEW) To get Special:Import online on sv.wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12537 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (mike_wikipedia)
[10:41:00] 	the page goes blank,,,nothing shows up,,not even homwpage,,,Its complete blank
[10:41:12] 	rushadrenaline: i don't see where in that file you set $wgLogo?
[10:41:39] 	Yeah right now i havent set
[10:41:53] 	beacuse when i set it ,,the whole page goes blank
[10:42:11] 	So ive left it that way,,, at least its working
[10:42:30] 	But now my lead asked me to put on the logo today
[10:43:31] 	show exactly how you set it
[10:44:08] 	i dont remember
[10:44:27] 	i did it weeks ago,,,but again today ive bin asked to solve that issue
[10:44:40] 	Can anyone pastebin their localseting.php
[10:44:46] 	it wud be really helpful
[10:44:50] 	well set it again and show us
[10:45:00] 	ill see if refering to it works,,,thanx in advance
[10:49:53] 	03grondin * r29369 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of FancyCaptcha internationalization file for export
[10:51:13] 	03(mod) User should be able to get MediaWiki version from any page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12536  (10edwardspec)
[10:51:53] 	has anybody an idea how to solve my IP-Address / page title problem? (as mentioned above)
[10:55:43] 	Spherecruiser: the search uses mysql's full text index. which ignores numbers, among other things. look into mysql docs.
[10:57:37] 	03grondin * r29370 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of internationalization file of Makesysop extension for export
[10:58:57] 	04(REOPENED) Create "WT" and "Appendix" namespaces on Swedish Wiktionary - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7933  +comment (10mike_wikipedia)
[11:06:46] 	@Duesentrieb: thank you ... im just trying to fine-tune the mysql config ;-)
[11:08:16] 	Spherecruiser: also note the difference between title search and fulltext search. only fulltext uses the "soft" mysql stuff. and title search only finds exact matches
[11:08:54] 	when you just type something into the search box and hit enter, you are doing a title search (which might automatically fill back to a fulltext search - not sure how that's configured)
[11:09:52] 	i found the following, which makes it even more complicated:  Fulltext regards the dots as terminators. The IP address 192.168.32.2 will therefore be keyed as the four "words"
[11:14:56] 	03siebrand * r29371 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of SpamBlacklist.i18n.php extension for export
[11:15:50] 	Spherecruiser: maybe fulltext search isn't the best way to achieve what you need
[11:16:37] 	if mysql full-text search is the answer, maybe you should ask a different question
[11:22:05] 	:P
[11:29:20] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534  (10N/A)
[11:29:24] 	03siebrand * r29372 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[11:29:24] 	* change array name for messages to standard '$messages'
[11:29:24] 	* update WhoIsWatching/SpecialWhoIsWatching.i18n.php format
[11:29:24] 	* update Translate extension to match changes
[11:43:51] 	I'm trying to add a custom tab to my wiki.  From what I read I'm supposed to edit Monobook.js, but I can't find it.  Any hints?
[11:45:09] 	a tab like the edit and save tab?
[11:45:57] 	sry, my other client died
[11:46:08] 	yeah, like edit, discussion, etc
[11:50:48] 	oh, it looks like what i want is now MediaWiki:Common.js, and i edit it through the wiki
[11:50:52] 	hm
[11:53:21] 	although, despite what i've read, editing this currently-empty javascript seems like a pretty hacky way to do it. i'll dig through the code to see how the others are implemented.
[12:04:22] 	foobar31: depends what you want the tab to do
[12:04:58] 	splarka:  i want it to take me to a new page
[12:05:11] 	much as the edit tab takes me to a page for editing
[12:05:14] 	with what critera?
[12:05:18] 	would it always be the same page?
[12:05:39] 	or different, based on what page you were viewing?
[12:05:39] 	ah, no
[12:05:46] 	based on the page i was viewing
[12:06:42] 	(the javascript hacks, eg addPortletLink() are made for user scripts and sitewide sysop scripts more than for people with access to the source files who want to redesign things)
[12:07:10] 	but they are also good to test with
[12:07:14] 	what version of mediawiki?
[12:07:20] 	yeah, that's what it seemed like to me.  i'm more interested in making deeper changes
[12:07:55] 	here is a quick example button:
[12:07:58] 	addOnloadHook(function() { addPortletLink('p-cactions','http://www.google.com/search?q=' + encodeURIComponent(wgTitle),'Google','ca-google','Search google for this page title'); });
[12:08:22] 	1.11.0
[12:08:39] 	ah
[12:09:13] 	you can do a lot in JS, especially with the JS globals defined in the page source
[12:10:45] 	hmm.  if i were still interested in modifying the code, would you happen to know where i should be poking around?  i'm currently looking at buildContentActionUrls()
[12:11:09] 	i'm hesitant to go the JS route
[12:11:39] 	right, that is the place to be looking, I'd guess
[12:11:55] 	ok, great, thanks a lot :)
[12:11:56] 	an alternative is to add a sidebar link, under the logo
[12:12:06] 	which can be done on-site by editing MediaWiki:Sidebar
[12:12:33] 	ooh, that looks easy
[12:13:06] 	although, rather than php globals or js globals, you'd use "magic words" to dynamically control the link
[12:13:15] *Splarka 	glares at mediawiki for being so weird
[12:14:22] 	the wikicode version of that above js button would be... something like..
[12:14:37] 	man. i am really wondering how d&mp are the ppl. to try and write a window manager in java script. 
[12:14:48] 	** http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}|google   although the message caching would screw it up X_X
[12:15:48] 	(so nm)
[12:16:06] 	ah
[12:16:17] 	maybe that are the same ppl. who mix up java and ava script.
[12:17:00] 	so... any idea where the code is that handles these "magic words"?
[12:18:04] 	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words  
[12:18:14] 	oh, the code, that is in Parser.php
[12:18:31] 	awesome.  you guys are really helpful.  thanks!
[12:18:37] 	I forgot they don't work good in some MediaWiki: messages, like Sidebar or Sitenotice
[12:18:50] 	because they get cached too agressively
[12:18:58] 	well, ones like {{PAGENAME}} anyhow
[12:19:20] 	buildContentActionUrls () is probably your best bet, or an extension
[12:19:37] 	the cacheing thing is good to know
[12:19:43] 	extension?
[12:20:20] *Splarka 	tries the bot thing
[12:20:22] 	!extensions
[12:20:22] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See  for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See  for an overview of known extensions.
[12:20:26] 	 s/cacheing/caching
[12:20:45] 	ok, great
[12:20:46] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[12:21:00] 	one called "SkinTemplateTabs" seems just what you need
[12:22:17] 	some examples: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:SkinTemplateTabs_extensions
[12:23:17] 	ooh, they hooked in a jabber client to that tab
[12:23:26] 	err, srry, looking at wikichat.org
[12:23:34] *Splarka 	nods ^_^
[12:23:50] 	cool
[12:24:02] 	that does seem the path of least resistance
[12:24:07] 	i'll use that
[12:24:41] *foobar31 	goes merrily on his way
[12:24:47] 	thanks again
[12:26:19] 	enjoy
[12:54:44] 	morning.
[12:55:06] 	mulvah
[12:55:56] 	gninrom
[13:28:46] 	hi all -- I've been observing a weird mediawiki behavior: I can adjust LocalSettings.php perfectly and work fine. But after a while, LocalSettings.php is being "overwritten" by a default copy of that file, deleting all of my changes.
[13:29:33] 	I'm sort of suspecting Confixx (Plesk-like tool) to be culprit. Nevertheless, I wanted to ask whether anyone has monitored this kind of issue before.
[13:30:09] 	no-one else has access to the Mediawiki files, and there are no cronjobs or similar running that could interfere.
[13:33:38] 	Hello there. Is there a correct way to do a search and replace across a wiki?
[13:33:47] 	We have a company wiki and the product name is being changed.
[13:35:38] 	maznaz: [[m:Pywikipedia]]
[13:36:06] 	replace.py -nocase 
[13:36:55] 	Does m: denote a module?
[13:42:35] 	do you see the text "< Progetto:Musica" in this page: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:Musica/Cose_da_fare   ??
[13:43:05] 	why in my mediawiki, the same text doesn't appear ? http://wikilatin.netsons.org/Progetto:Libreria/Cose_da_fare
[13:45:05] 	i'm searching in Special:Version but i don't find any extension that do that...
[13:46:23] 	hello
[13:48:03] 	anybody knows how to add this text to every page that contains one slash ?
[13:51:21] 	nobody?
[13:54:38] 	Is there a way to easily download or export the current state of the Manual and Help namespaces at www.mediawiki.org?
[13:59:30] 	anybody can help me?
[14:01:51] 	maybe is a feature of mediawiki 1.12alpha ?
[14:01:58] 	whiles: look for "subpages"
[14:02:06] 	!subpoages
[14:02:06] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "subpoages".
[14:02:08] 	err
[14:02:10] 	!subpages
[14:02:10] --mwbot--	By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. 
[14:02:50] 	thank you :P i am a stupid
[14:06:23] 	!manual | draugath
[14:06:23] --mwbot--	draugath: An introduction to using MediaWiki is at , see  for information about copying it to your own wiki. More technical information for MediaWiki administrators is at . For an introduction on programming with MediaWiki, see .
[14:06:35] 	Duesentrieb: can you get roan online
[14:07:10] 	huh? how would i?
[14:07:24] 	using the secret cabal pager
[14:07:27] 	use your power!
[14:07:48] 	I just remembered the bugs
[14:08:05] *Duesentrieb 	waves arms manically
[14:08:08] 	will probably have forgotten them next time he is online
[14:08:28] 	AzaTht: send mail? use bugzilla? put them on a wiki page?
[14:08:29] 	it's times like this that I like to pull up vi
[14:08:42] 	Duesentrieb: need to poke him on other things also
[14:09:12] 	Are there any omegawiki programmers in here?
[14:14:45] 	PunkRock: i think there is only one omegawiki programmer :)
[14:15:11] 	Thanks Duesentrieb, that information isn't everything that I was looking for, but it's a good place to start.  I think I can manage the rest at this point.
[14:17:26] 	Duesentrieb: do you know him? Is he sometimes online here?
[14:17:34] 	btw. hello Duesentrieb :)
[14:17:35] 	hello
[14:17:56] 	how do i clear all history modifications log from a page?
[14:17:58] 	PunkRock: Eloquence, Aka Erik Möller. I don't think I have ever seen him on IRC
[14:18:34] 	wasn't kim bruning also on omegawiki?
[14:18:51] 	and didn't erik quit there? :)
[14:19:43] 	and is it possible to insert a [[xxxx]] tag from inside a 
 anchor?
[14:20:40] 	mark, domas: you probably know more than I do :)
[14:21:17] 	anyway
[14:21:28] 	hrm. thanks anyway.
[14:21:29] 	omegawiki wasn't a topic of this channel for quite a while
[14:21:30] 	:)
[14:22:10] 	well. if i wouldn't have to compare it to our bowiki i would rather prefer to read this page: http://www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nobody_cares
[14:22:10] 	Tuxbublin1: no. 
 implies . use indented text without 
 if you want to keep "some" wiki stuff
[14:23:27] 	domas!
[14:24:05] 	Duesentrieb: that's what i found
[14:24:05] 	what!
[14:24:25] 	Duesentrieb: how do i clear all history modifications log from a page?
[14:24:46] 	Tuxbublin1: you don't. 
[14:25:37] 	well, there is a maintenance script called deleteoldrevisions or some such. but generally, history should be kept. it's part of what a wiki is about. revision control systems generally do not allow you to remove stuff from the history
[14:26:51] 	Duesentrieb: yes i know, and i love this feature, but i wish to do it for a particular page to not have modification times tracked down...
[14:26:54] 	hello
[14:26:55] 	There's a nice module for that.
[14:27:14] 	revisionedit or something
[14:27:19] 	Tuxbublin1: delete the page, then re-create it
[14:27:28] 	03siebrand * r29375 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlock.i18n.php: Fix consistency issue
[14:27:29] 	for arbitrary small values of 'nice' i guess ;)
[14:27:35] 	Duesentrieb: yeah that's what i was about to do :D
[14:27:42] 	domas: just sayin'
[14:27:47] 	maznaz: thx i'll give it a look
[14:28:01] 	Oversight
[14:28:03] 	That's the one
[14:28:07] 	Aaron!!!!
[14:28:16] 	Go find oversight and install it Tuxbublin1.
[14:28:32] 	03gri6507 * r29380 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/ (4 files): Initial checkin of extension into Subversion.
[14:29:11] 	03grondin * r29373 10/trunk/extensions/ (OggHandler/OggHandler.i18n.php Translate/MessageGroups.php): Optimisation internationalization file of OggHlandler extension for export
[14:29:54] 	PunkRock: #omegawiki exists.
[14:30:52] 	Duesentrieb: oh!
[14:31:08] 	Hi
[14:31:47] 	Anyone can find some solution to this problem? The try to short URLs is giving me lots of headaches: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#Skin_not_working.2C_.css_files_are_impossible_to_access
[14:31:54] 	PunkRock: impression of developer activity: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/wikidata/
[14:32:15] 	It's true that 1.11 is quite buggy?
[14:32:59] 	If it's, why Mediawiki developers didn't were more careful? Aren't there some kind of testing suite for avoid regressions or bugs on stable releases?
[14:33:40] 	03grondin * r29381 10/trunk/extensions/ (Quiz/Quiz.i18n.php Quiz/Quiz.php Translate/MessageGroups.php): Optimization of Internationalization file of Quiz extension for export
[14:33:57] 	timofonic: i don't think it
[14:34:10] 	...it's any more buggy than any other release
[14:34:16] 	and the test suit is called "wikipedia"
[14:34:21] 	Duesentrieb, then I'm scared :P
[14:34:24] 	Duesentrieb, hehe ok :)
[14:34:40] 	03thomasv * r29388 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (ProofreadPage.i18n.php ProofreadPage.php proofread.js): quality buttons
[14:35:59] 	timofonic: css files being unaccessible is a problem with your webserver setup. they are static files. mediawiki is not even called when they get served. 
[14:36:13] 	Going to eat, I expect to solve my issues today. I want to write articles for my wiki instead having configuration problems :P
[14:36:35] 	Duesentrieb: that looks like there is not much activity at the project.
[14:36:35] 	timofonic: sticking to best practice helps...
[14:36:42] 	Duesentrieb, uhm... so what's the solution? Now files are accessible, but the site no longer works :P
[14:36:45] 	!rewriteproblem | timofonic
[14:36:45] --mwbot--	timofonic: 1) Do not put the files into the document root; 2) Do not map the pages into the document root; 3) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 4) Do not set a RewriteBase; 5) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[14:37:16] 	Duesentrieb, yes I know :)
[14:37:23] 	do that then
[14:37:41] 	Duesentrieb, this is the funny part... http://wiki.atarichat.net/wiki/skins/common/shared.css
[14:37:50] 	Duesentrieb, now the css stuff works!
[14:38:09] 	Duesentrieb, I did something that is against those rules? Sorry fo my ignorance
[14:38:37] 	Duesentrieb, I'm even not native English speaker and I may sometimes not understand things properly :P
[14:38:42] 	timofonic: i don't know, everything on your domain seems broken
[14:39:23] 	timofonic: the config pusted on the help desk treis to map stuff to the document root, though. which is possible, but error-prone, and not recommended
[14:39:34] 	Duesentrieb, before trying the Short URL trick this worker properly :P
[14:39:44] *Duesentrieb 	tries to remember who actually *is* a native english speaker in this channel
[14:40:00] 	worked
[14:40:07] 	timofonic: so you screwed up your config. shit happens.
[14:40:08] 	Duesentrieb, so better map it to /wiki instead?
[14:40:22] 	yes. map pages to /wiki, and have files in /w or /mw
[14:40:30] 	Duesentrieb, Do you mean htt://domain.tld/article is wrong?
[14:40:35] 	yes.
[14:40:48] 	Duesentrieb, OK. I have files on /wiki
[14:41:02] 	then put pages somewhere else. or put files somewhere else.
[14:41:32] 	Duesentrieb, so the directory must have a different name than the virtual directory?
[14:41:38] 	yes.
[14:41:47] 	Duesentrieb, ok renaming
[14:42:13] 	and wgScriptPath must refer to the real directory, and wgArticlePath to the virtual directory.
[14:42:18] 	and the two must not overlap.
[14:42:29] 	Duesentrieb, ok
[14:42:55] 	(and again: none of this has anything to do with mediawiki itself)
[14:44:41] 	Duesentrieb, still not work. It seems I forgot to do something
[14:44:47] 	probably.
[14:44:57] 	where did you put the files?
[14:45:17] 	 /home/timofonic/public_html/w/LocalSettings.php
[14:45:25] 	oops
[14:45:29] 	 /home/timofonic/public_html/w/
[14:46:18] 	timofonic: uh... are you using IIS?
[14:46:24] 	Duesentrieb, Apache
[14:46:27] 	hm, odd
[14:46:46] 	"No input file specified." sounds rather odd. like some more severe breakage somewhere.
[14:47:08] 	this is not a rewrite problem, i think. sounds more fundamental. and all reports i find for this error seems to be related to IIS :)
[14:47:18] 	03(NEW) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (jfd31)
[14:47:19] 	Duesentrieb, No IIS here
[14:47:30] 	timofonic: did you mess with the php config? 
[14:47:37] 	"no input file specified" usually means you're rewriting to index.php/Foo and pathinfo is broken
[14:47:40] 	did you mess with aliases?
[14:47:55] 	03(mod) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538  (10jfd31)
[14:48:02] 	flyingparchment: really?... hm...
[14:48:04] 	Duesentrieb, no just ".htaccess" and "LocalSettings.php"
[14:48:20] 	timofonic: put your .htaccess on a pastebin
[14:48:26] 	Duesentrieb, OK
[14:48:31] 	you are probably still rewriting / to something
[14:49:46] 	Duesentrieb, http://pastebin.ca/845190
[14:50:49] 	timofonic: RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /index.php/?title=$1 [L,QSA] 
[14:50:53] 	that's... evil :)
[14:51:30] 	Duesentrieb, I did copypasta and I have no clue of what is that kind of regexp so... :P
[14:51:49] 	Maybe it can even delete the HDD and not knowing it :P
[14:53:06] 	Duesentrieb, what do you mean by evil? :P
[14:53:48] 	utterly wrong, and causing bad things to happen
[14:54:13] 	timofonic: try this: http://pastebin.ca/845193
[14:54:33] 	Duesentrieb, I must blame to that evil wiki article then? :)
[14:54:39] 	yes.
[14:54:50] 	03siebrand * r29377 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordReset/PasswordReset.i18n.php: Fix array names
[14:54:53] 	Duesentrieb, just three lines???
[14:55:04] 	that and yourself. your rewrite target was missing the w/ up front, for one thing. 
[14:55:10] 	yes, just three lines
[14:55:19] 	if you don't do evil things, that's all you need
[14:55:26] 	Duesentrieb, uhm
[14:55:44] 	Duesentrieb, look at the site now. It shows the files :P
[14:55:54] 	the shortURL manual page offers far too many alternatives, some of which are poroken, and all of which are not explained properly
[14:56:39] 	Duesentrieb, how to avoid others to suffer the same problem of being messed? Say it in the discussion page? :P
[14:56:46] 	Duesentrieb, http://wiki.atarichat.net/
[14:56:48] 	03(mod) Patroller group inaccessible to stewards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12518  (10dungodung)
[14:56:50] 	Duesentrieb, look there :P
[14:56:50] 	timofonic: that's because there's no rule defined for the root. you can put up a redirect for that, once the wiki is working
[14:56:59] 	interestingly though, you seem to have broken even more stuff
[14:57:09] 	Duesentrieb, yep
[14:57:17] 	b0rkenwiki :P
[14:57:20] 	this should work: http://wiki.atarichat.net/w/index.php
[14:57:29] 	you seem to have broken some files.
[14:57:30] 	Duesentrieb, no
[14:57:39] 	no?
[14:57:43] 	Duesentrieb, "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected $end in /home/wikiatar/public_html/w/includes/WebRequest.php on line 51"
[14:57:49] 	Duesentrieb, I did an evil thing on that file
[14:57:49] 	yes.
[14:57:59] 	yes, that's what i'm saying.
[14:59:30] 	Duesentrieb, I did this http://www.organicdesign.co.nz/MediaWiki_1.11_title_extraction_bug
[15:00:18] 	undo it. you will use /wiki/$1, not /$1, wso it does not apply to you. and whatever you did, you did it wrong.
[15:00:52] 	Duesentrieb, I did nt backuped the file. shame on me :P
[15:01:03] 	Duesentrieb, svn has stable versions too? :P
[15:01:17] 	yes, it has the releases.
[15:01:20] 	look for REL1.11
[15:02:11] 	here it is: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_11/phase3/includes/WebRequest.php
[15:02:35] 	Duesentrieb, I was going to there but thanks for the direct link :)
[15:04:29] 	Duesentrieb, The requested URL /Main_Page was not found on this server.
[15:04:38] 	Duesentrieb, OK I must modify .htaccess then
[15:04:43] 	no.
[15:04:54] 	you must get wgArticlePath and wgScriptPath right, first of all
[15:05:22] 	because this works now: http://wiki.atarichat.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page
[15:05:36] 	03grondin * r29376 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of Internationalization file of ProofreadPage extension for export
[15:05:36] 	03grondin * r29374 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Optimization of Internationalization file of PasswordReset extention for export
[15:05:49] 	Duesentrieb, OK :)
[15:05:56] 	hm... but this doesn't: http://wiki.atarichat.net/wiki/Main_Page i wonder why. damn.
[15:06:03] 	Duesentrieb, i've finished the simplemailer extension.. do you think this is something i should submit to the extension matrix?
[15:06:22] 	i wish the i18n people could collect all their changes into a single commit
[15:06:28] 	it's becoming very annoying to follow the cvs list
[15:06:45] 	03siebrand * r29386 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for extesion UsageStatistics
[15:07:09] 	Wiredtape: if you think it could be useful to others, make a page for it on the extension namespace, using the extension template. the matrix will pick it up.
[15:07:33] 	timofonic: ah, my mistake: in .htaccess, replace "w/index.php/?title=$1" by "w/index.php?title=$1"
[15:07:58] 	Duesentrieb, ok, thank you.
[15:08:13] 	timofonic: then set wgScriptPath to /w and wgArticlePath to /wiki
[15:08:19] 	03siebrand * r29379 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlock.i18n.php: Fix consistency issue
[15:08:30] 	Duesentrieb, are there any difference? I see the both
[15:08:42] 	Duesentrieb, "w/index.php/?title=$1" by "w/index.php?title=$1" 
[15:09:00] 	Duesentrieb, aren't they the same?
[15:09:04] 	timofonic: and you need both. ScriptPath is for actual files, ArticlePath is for virtual files, aka pages
[15:09:16] 	no, they are not the same
[15:09:26] 	remove the / before the ?
[15:09:42] 	Duesentrieb, oops
[15:09:53] 	Duesentrieb, I'm starting to be dyslexic :P
[15:12:06] 	Duesentrieb, done...
[15:12:24] 	Duesentrieb, same problems it seems
[15:13:22] 	timofonic: huh? same problem? it works now! http://wiki.atarichat.net/wiki/Main_Page
[15:13:47] 	timofonic: your wgArticlePath is still wrong though
[15:14:15] 	Duesentrieb, well I mean not works when putting the url only
[15:14:18] 	Duesentrieb, uhm
[15:14:32] 	putting *what* url only?
[15:14:42] 	Duesentrieb, http://wiki.atarichat.net
[15:14:51] 	I mean domain
[15:14:51] 	yes. there's still no rule for that.
[15:14:55] 	i'd recommend this one:
[15:15:29] 	Redirect / http://wiki.atarichat.net/wiki/Main_Page
[15:15:38] 	if it doesn't work, use /index.html instead of /
[15:15:39] 	Duesentrieb, $wgArticlePath      = "/wiki";
[15:16:23] 	should be $wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
[15:16:34] 	(sorry)
[15:16:50] 	Duesentrieb, no problem. You are helping me a lot :)
[15:17:54] 	Duesentrieb, now does a very weird redirection. It should try to put index.html instead: http://wiki.atarichat.net
[15:17:58] 	hm... i think redirecting / is not a good idea after all :P
[15:18:14] 	yea, try index.html instead (this is a bit of an ugly hack, but it will do)
[15:18:31] 	Duesentrieb, /index.html or just index.html ?
[15:18:39] 	/index.html
[15:18:59] 	Duesentrieb, it works! :)
[15:19:27] 	Duesentrieb, oops http://wiki.atarichat.net/ST/STE/MegaSTE_development
[15:19:35] 	Duesentrieb, URLs with slashes not works now :(
[15:20:17] 	Duesentrieb, errr... not. No others works
[15:20:23] 	Duesentrieb, http://wiki.atarichat.net/Atari_8bit_hardware
[15:20:27] 	your wgArticlePath is still wrong
[15:20:36] 	http://wiki.atarichat.net/Atari_8bit_hardware is a wroing url
[15:20:40] 	it's missing the /wiki/ bit.
[15:21:07] 	works: http://wiki.atarichat.net/wiki/Atari_8bit_hardware
[15:21:42] 	Duesentrieb, Here's wgArticlePath and friends http://pastebin.ca/845226
[15:22:51] 	timofonic: you must be setting $wgArticlePath another time further down, then.
[15:22:59] 	because it's not using the /wiki stuff when generating links.
[15:23:34] 	Duesentrieb, another time what?
[15:24:01] 	search for $wgArticlePath  in your localsettings. make sure it is only define once.
[15:24:32] 	Duesentrieb, yes defined again :P
[15:24:50] 	Duesentrieb, delete the duplicated one? 
[15:24:55] 	yes
[15:25:24] 	Duesentrieb, ok. Everythong works now. Thanks a lot :)
[15:25:50] 	cheers
[15:26:04] 	Duesentrieb, should I specify what I did on the support desk?
[15:26:12] 	Duesentrieb, I mean this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk#Skin_not_working.2C_.css_files_are_impossible_to_access
[15:26:13] 	sure, go ahead
[15:26:17] 	maybe someone will read it
[15:26:25] 	i'm doing this routing about once a week :)
[15:26:38] 	Duesentrieb, are you being ironic? :)
[15:26:40] 	(don't have the nerves to do it more often.)
[15:27:04] 	ironic? no. just a bit frustrated :P
[15:27:33] 	Duesentrieb, I mean "maybe someone will read it" like if nobody reads the suppot desk
[15:27:45] 	Duesentrieb, because Mediawiki is PITA to configure?
[15:27:53] 	well, people read it, but they also read lots of other crap
[15:28:14] 	i don't see where it's a pain.
[15:28:20] 	Duesentrieb, it seems like there are tons of confussing and wrong information about configuring things
[15:28:29] 	if you set up rewrite rules, you have to get them right (duh). this is the same for any web app
[15:28:40] 	the only (!) thing you need to change in mediawiki is wgArticlePath.
[15:29:07] 	timofonic: yes... that might be because it's documented on a wiki :)
[15:29:22] 	there are abot 10 ways to do this.
[15:29:40] 	this one is the one i recommend. it works reliably for almost averyone in pretty much any environment.
[15:29:45] 	Duesentrieb, it's ironical that the wiki is bad for the mediawiki itself :P
[15:29:52] 	the other ways are more involved, imho
[15:30:06] 	yes, this is a bit ironic indeed.
[15:30:08] 	Duesentrieb, what you sid me is on some page for reference when saying now works?
[15:30:18] 	sid=said
[15:30:21] 	the short url page has grown a bit. i kind of feel like deleting it.
[15:30:49] 	anyway, back to beating mysql into submission
[15:30:56] 	Duesentrieb, I wouldn't miss it. It gave me all the problems :P
[15:31:43] 	Duesentrieb, wait... the way of configuring this you said me is documented somewhere? For putting the link for reference (I configured it in THIS way)
[15:35:02] 	Duesentrieb, delete it or chop out 60% of it, yeah.
[15:35:18] 	timofonic: it's close to this, but with some cruft removed: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[15:35:26] 	Too much "people putting up random stuff that apparently worked for their screwball configuration except that they forgot four steps".
[15:35:53] 	Duesentrieb, please delete the crap :)
[15:36:08] 	timofonic: err... no, that page is kind of wrong too. wtf?
[15:36:21] 	Duesentrieb, :P
[15:36:30] 	Duesentrieb: morons keep editing those pages and adding wrong information
[15:36:35] 	i gave up trying to maintain them ages ago
[15:36:58] 	Clearly we should just protect all the documentation pages.
[15:37:03] 	:D
[15:37:06] 	Why not protecting them? Configuration manuals are too important for being messed
[15:37:10] 	Simetrical, I agree
[15:37:21] 	flaggedrevs?
[15:37:23] 	timofonic, that would be fine if someone who knows what they're talking about actually was willing to write and maintain them.
[15:37:25] 	Simetrical, I don't want to fuck my wiki again :P
[15:37:44] 	Could it be implemented, so that tab text could be changed per user in the settings?
[15:38:04] 	Simetrical, yes
[15:38:07] 	AzaTht, no.  If you really want to, use JavaScript or something.  Or even CSS, in a non-IE browser.
[15:38:14] 	AzaTht, if I understand what you're asking.
[15:38:19] 	Simetrical, I some appears some volunteers out there after protecting them :)
[15:38:46] 	timofonic, what?
[15:38:53] 	Simetrical, I hope...
[15:39:04] 	Simetrical: yea, I'm using JS, just though as it's such a common issue, a server side thingi could be done
[15:39:09] 	but never mind
[15:39:52] 	why is changing the tab text a common issue?
[15:40:26] 	I have no idea, honestly.
[15:40:28] 	Why is it?
[15:40:31] 	Adding new tabs, sure.
[15:40:34] 	Changing tab text?
[15:40:35] 	Simetrical, but I know developers hate documentation :)
[15:40:46] 	timofonic, especially when all but two are volunteers.  ;)
[15:41:02] 	And our goal is more Wikipedia-oriented and not third-party-oriented.
[15:41:20] 	We can figure it out for our own wikis, it doesn't cause problems for Wikipedia, why do we care?  \o/
[15:41:23] 	flyingparchment: long text take up wide space
[15:41:25] 	timofonic: ok, the page should not be usable.
[15:41:54] 	Simetrical, I see. Are your base belong to Jimbo Wales
[15:42:06] 	AzaTht: then the language file or interface should be fixed, so it affects all users
[15:42:17] 	flyingparchment: there has been lots of discussion if the new comment tab should be named "comment" or "+"
[15:42:24] 	timofonic, nah, Jimbo hasn't been involved at all in software or tech stuff for ages.
[15:42:28] 	"new comment"
[15:42:52] 	Simetrical, I mean following his project. A joke :)
[15:42:57] 	AzaTht, "please click here to add a new section to the present list of discussions"
[15:43:02] 	Simetrical: hehe
[15:43:37] 	Simetrical, but sincerely I'm starting to hate wikipedia a bit... specially because the eraserman morons. They think everything not enough mainstream is irrevelevant
[15:43:57] 	Simetrical, if were for them most article wwould be only of crap like Britney Spears :P
[15:44:48] 	There are too morons on wikipedia with power, attention whores and such
[15:45:46] 	timofonic, well, I don't disagree, I strongly dislike deletionism and think it's contrary to the Foundation's mission.  But that's not really on-topic here.  :)
[15:46:15] 	Simetrical, I know but it's the only place I can say this and not being hated or banned so... :)
[15:46:54] 	timofonic: wikipedia works by establishing a balance of morons. fanboy morons vs. deletionist morons.
[15:47:17] 	Duesentrieb, aka shit happens and wikipedia becomes worser
[15:48:14] 	timofonic: actually, a couple of years on wikipedia have taught me: annoying shit happens all the time, and still, wikipedia gets better as a whole.
[15:48:20] 	it's quite surprising.
[15:48:28] 	I used wikipedia more in the past, now I look at other wikis for information (and not just for retrocomputing geek stuff like the one I'm making)
[15:49:14] 	sure... specialized wikis have been growing a lot in recent years. they may aften be the better place to go.
[15:49:21] 	Duesentrieb, I think gets better at one point but the loss information by eraserheads (let's call them) is very bad
[15:49:23] 	wikipedia's job in that case is to serve asa hub
[15:50:28] 	Who's that deleteman to say that an article about a homebrew videogame is not relevant? What the fuck :P
[15:50:40] 	ass hub :P
[15:50:53] 	timofonic: i'm an eraserhead :) well, it all depends. but i belong to "not everything needs its own wikipedia page" faction. it is annying when interesting stuff and/or good articles get deleted (it happens), but if the alternative is drowing in shit, i'm ready to live with that
[15:51:01] 	Someone should petition the Board to vote on a resolution.  Like: "The Board affirms that the Wikimedia Foundation's mission is to make all knowledge freely available, even if it is considered trivial by some."  Or something.
[15:51:03] 	Sorry, I'm joking and criticing my unhappy with wikipedia at same time :P
[15:51:13] 	Not even necessarily binding.
[15:51:15] 	I wonder if it would pass.
[15:51:20] 	but this discussion is quite off topic here... and has been beaten to death in a gazillion threads on diverse media
[15:51:32] 	:)
[15:52:12] 	Maybe I should make undergroundpedia with articles that wikipedia guys delete, heh
[15:52:24] 	People have tried.
[15:52:25] 	OK, I'll stop to discuss about this. Sorry
[15:52:42] 	timofonic: you wouldn't be the first, or the last, to do that
[15:52:52] 	Duesentrieb, and failed?
[15:53:25] 	03huji * r29389 10/trunk/extensions/Review/Review.i18n.php: 
[15:53:25] 	* Added Persian translations
[15:53:25] 	* Replaced depricated  tag with 
[15:53:38] 	failed? i don't know. probably rather "got ignored except by spammers" or something. 
[15:53:47] 	try google :P
[15:54:09] 	uhm, ok
[15:59:09] 	Simetrical & Duesentrieb: can I put both on greetings on the support desk thingie? :)
[15:59:21] 	timofonic, what?  I don't understand.
[15:59:35] 	Thanks to people of the #mediawiki channel on freenode for all the great help to fixing this, specially: silly,  Skizzerz, Simetrical and Duesentrieb
[16:00:08] 	Well, something loke that
[16:00:11] 	like
[16:00:44] 	anyone have some time for someone inexperienced with a vexing mediawiki conundrum?
[16:03:52] 	!ask | frieze 
[16:03:52] --mwbot--	frieze : Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:04:37] 	mwbot giving a wiki page using MoinMoin instead Mediawiki, funny :)
[16:05:24] 	03(NEW) Put autopatroled group in wgImplicitGroups for french Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12539 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (alex.emsenhuber)
[16:06:06] 	timofonic, I stole the message from the #mysql bot, is why.
[16:06:26] 	Simetrical, hehe
[16:08:42] 	17H here, I did not eated because trying to fix this. Thanks a lot Simetrical and Duesentrieb for the help :)
[16:08:55] 	Going to eat, I'll back later...
[16:12:15] 	03grondin * r29383 10/trunk/extensions/Quiz/Quiz.i18n.php: Fixed missing variables
[16:14:40] 	03river * r29390 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/trainwreck.c: 
[16:14:40] 	master_connect(): return 0 on success
[16:14:40] 	process_master_logs_once(): need to unlock rst_mtx on simple_command error path otherwise reconnect never happens
[16:22:42] 	Is there a way to have an image as a link?
[16:23:06] 	fridgid: like [[:Image:Blah.png]] ?
[16:23:58] 	03huji * r29391 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added / updated Persian translations
[16:24:05] 	that seems to be a link to an image
[16:24:18] 	basically I want to create a button
[16:24:36] 	so clicking on the image will follow a link, in this case an http link. 
[16:25:06] 	you mean, clicking on an image sending you to a location "other than" the image page, right?
[16:26:05] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Click
[16:26:21] 	it uses an imagemap to do that
[16:26:28] 	(You will need Imagemap extension installed tho)
[16:26:37] 	!imagemap | frieze
[16:26:37] --mwbot--	frieze: ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See  for more information.
[16:26:46] 	frieze, the ImageMap extension can be used.  Using a more reasonable and expected syntax is a feature request that no one seems to be paying attention to right now.
[16:28:11] 	03(mod) Put autopatroled group in wgImplicitGroups for french Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12539  (10alex.emsenhuber)
[16:30:08] 	cool, thanks
[16:31:11] 	03(mod) Text change for MediaWiki:Clearyourcache - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12517  +comment (10huji.huji)
[16:37:21] 	i know there's a way to stop a gallery from showing on the Category pages, but is there a way to stop /articles/ from showing on a category page? I /only/ want to show a Gallery.
[16:37:40] <^demon>	Don't add those articles to the category then.
[16:38:22] <^demon>	What good is having them in the category if you don't want them to show up anyway.
[16:43:03] 	^demon: i knew that would be the next lament. let me explain :)
[16:43:12] 	I have Horror Movie articles and Horror Movie images.
[16:43:27] 	Images get classified by Death by ("Death by axe" is displayed on this image).
[16:43:41] 	And Movies get classifed as well ("Death by axe" happens in this movie)
[16:44:01] 	I'd like to separate displays: "Show me just articles with death by axe" and "Show me just images with death by axe".
[16:44:20] 	Now, I can obviously do this with two categories: "Death by axe" and "Death by axe (image)"
[16:44:25] 	But I was hoping I wouldn't /have/ to.
[16:44:40] 	You do.  Or else write an extension.
[16:45:06] 	An extension would be able to add a __NOARTICLE__ hook that could affect Category display?
[16:47:34] 	03river * r29392 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/ (Makefile trainwreck.c): lint fixes, minor bugfixes
[16:48:22] 	Morbus, sure, probably.
[16:48:32] 	If not, ask for a hook and I'll see about adding it for 1.12.
[16:48:32] 	oh? 
[16:48:37] 	neato.
[16:48:47] 	Should be something an extension could do.
[16:48:48] *Morbus 	looks for how _NOGALLERY_ is defined.
[16:49:21] 	Simetrical: although, really, is my desire ... odd? I don't want to write an extension if it's just ill-advised design. I'd much rather duplicate categories than shoot myself in the foot.
[16:49:37] 	Morbus, I'd have two different categories, I guess.
[16:49:59] 	hrm. ok.
[16:50:23] 	though, "Death by axe (image)" is probably a bad format. Because we'll need a "Death by axe (self-inflicted)"
[16:50:32] 	Morbus, "Images of death by axe"
[16:50:39] 	and "Death by axe (self-inflicted) (media)" looks retarded.
[16:51:00] <^demon>	I'm sad we're discussing death by axe.
[16:51:04] 	heheh
[16:51:10] 	ok, replace axe with "puppet" 
[16:51:36] <^demon>	In any case: How would having __NOARTICLE__ make any difference? If you want to display images/articles only, you'd have to change the content of the page to switch __NOGALLERY__ to __NOARTICLE__
[16:52:43] 	... you're right. I was erroneously thinking I could do that in a template, looking at {{NAMESPACE}}, but that makes absolutely no sense.
[16:53:02] 	I'd still do the {{NAMESPACE}} check for the "Death by puppet" vs. "Images of death by puppet".
[16:53:12] 	but, you're right, that wouldn't work for the Category: display.
[16:55:48] <^demon>	Do magicwords get translated in their original article or after they're transcluded?
[16:55:59] 	After inclusion.
[16:56:09] <^demon>	Ok, so then you could do it with a template.
[16:56:10] 	Well, actually they might be able to choose.
[16:56:14] 	does anyone know a way to get variables evaluated inside an imagemap? I want to use it to add a watch, which means linking to {{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{PAGENAME}}|action=watch}}. Unfortunately the imagemap refuses to evaluate this. 
[16:56:17] 	But for things like this, typically after inclusion.
[16:56:27] 	^demon: yeah, i've already got another type of template doing the same thing.
[16:56:33] 	or alternately a mediawiki link type that adds watches would be good
[16:57:05] 	frieze, you can't get variables evaluated inside an image map, any more than inside a , IIRC.  It's a bug with evaluation order.
[16:57:14] 	Or no, how does it work?
[16:57:24] 	Hmm, maybe it's the fault of ImageMap and not core.
[16:57:29] 	I think Cite actually gets this right.
[16:57:33] <^demon>	It does.
[16:57:34] 	seems like it should work
[16:57:42] <^demon>	You can put templates in 
[16:59:26] 	Any obvious workarounds come to mind?
[16:59:41] 	Would doing a parserfunction to generate an imagemap work?
[17:00:24] 	have the parser function get passed the variables so they are evaluated before going to the function. Then the function spits out the imagemap code
[17:01:17] 	Probably there's no workaround using image maps.
[17:01:44] 	You could steal Template:Click from Wikipedia.
[17:01:53] 	Although that's evil.
[17:02:42] 	doesn't seem that evil
[17:02:49] 	and saves me from having to do php coding
[17:03:23] 	It manipulates things very weirdly in the HTML source and consequently doesn't work with all browsers, or may have bugs.
[17:03:33] 	The Right Way would be to just put the  tag in a bloody  tag.
[17:03:58] 	We just don't let you do that for some weird reason.  People didn't like the image not having a ready link to its description page and copyright info.
[17:04:20] 	Which is moot, because there are already stupid ways to link it elsewhere, so let's allow the smart way too.
[17:04:29] 	Just nobody's bothered.
[17:05:28] 	hmm...click doesn't look like it allows external links
[17:06:40] 	The concept would still work for those.
[17:06:56] *Simetrical 	is not, alas, sufficiently annoyed by how retarded this whole situation is to actually fix it
[17:07:30] 	the vexation level does have to reach some kind of absolute maximum
[17:07:50] 	the other trick would be to extend the Image: links a bit
[17:10:24] 	Would probably be easier, but considerably more hacky.
[17:10:36] 	We probably wouldn't want that in core, a proper fix would be better.
[17:10:44] 	[[Link text| [[Image:...|...]] ]]
[17:10:51] 	Er, s/Link text/Link target/
[17:10:51] 	true true
[17:10:58] 	And likewise for external links.
[17:11:10] 	but my duct tape and chewing gum development style leads me to kludge it in there
[17:11:21] 	Although in that case some heuristic might be needed to suppress the icon, in MonoBook.
[17:13:51] *Dashiva 	mourns for bug 2257
[17:13:55] 	03greg * r29393 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/FancyCaptcha.i18n.php: Fix syntax errors in last commit.
[17:27:41] 	Simetrical: !!!
[17:27:51] 	domas, ???
[17:28:02] 	you added descriptions to mediawiki.org/Developer ? :)
[17:28:54] 	I added some comments for some people.
[17:29:03] 	Which reminds me, I have to change River's listed current IRC nick again.
[17:29:13] 	"Generally only commits when someone broke the servers by committing bad SQL."
[17:29:28] 	Well, I haven't seen any other commits by you recently to MediaWiki.
[17:29:29] 	thats less than half of my commits :)
[17:29:35] 	To MediaWiki?
[17:29:45] 	To other projects in SVN, maybe not.
[17:29:55] *Simetrical 	changes it
[17:30:05] 	27502, 27456, 27451, 27433, 27441, 27439, 27438
[17:30:24] 	25878
[17:30:25] 	:)
[17:30:37] 	see!
[17:31:56] 	Mmm, it's true.
[17:32:17] 	morning folks
[17:38:13] 	hrm. can I include an Image: inline a) without it being a link to the Image: or b) making it a link to something else? Do I have to raw HTML for it?
[17:40:37] 	Morbus, this was discussed extensively above.  The only solutions now other than raw HTML are ImageMap or Template:Click from Wikipedia.
[17:40:49] 	oh! sorry, didn't know it was the same thing.
[18:22:58] 	03(mod) Text change for MediaWiki:Clearyourcache - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12517  (10s.vanslyck)
[18:28:58] 	03yaron * r29394 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/languages/SF_Messages.php: 
[18:28:58] 	Removing all month names: unnecessary, as it turns out. Apologies to all
[18:28:58] 	translators for making you do the extra work.
[18:29:55] 	03yaron * r29395 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Replacing SF's month messages with the main MW ones, which work just as well
[18:30:21] 	03yaron * r29396 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/ (INSTALL includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.8.2
[18:40:59] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10brion)
[18:45:28] 	Hello I upgraded to 1.11.0 and now thumbnails dont show from the commons, can anyone help?
[18:46:04] 	Ive been through all 77 bugs and couldnt find an answer
[18:46:05] 	04(REOPENED) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  +comment (10mail)
[18:46:26] <^demon|away>	silly: You mean your local install using Commons images?
[18:46:50] 	argh I just realized that some articles are gone after i upgraded my wiki to 1.11.0
[18:47:08] 	does anybody know how to restore a sql backup?
[18:47:17] 	Hello, I have run into a bug.. I named a category "Family & Divorce", and edited it.. however.. once I have, I cannot get back to that category, it only displays "Category:Family " and cuts off the "& divorce" part.. does anyone know a fix for this?
[18:47:43] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:48:12] 	Wiredtape: Are you sure you actually edited Family & Divorce, and not Family_?
[18:48:15] 	Wiredtape: you have mod_rewrite rules
[18:48:17] 	No I dont see thumbnails or cant creat thumbnails on my inter-wikis.. get this error Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in /var/www/vhosts/etnopedia.org/subdomains/en/httpdocs/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1670
[18:48:35] 	replace them with an Alias or patch Apache so its escaping doesn't suck
[18:49:11] 	Won't using pathinfo help?
[18:49:19] 	brion, yup, i just saw that index.php?title="..." does reach it. thank you...
[18:49:41] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:50:55] 	I have changed permissions to all the folders in images to 777
[18:51:02] 	damn it about a third of everything is gone
[18:52:17] 	14(INVALID) MediaWiki should support printable UTF-8 wiki project codes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12508  (10brion)
[18:52:35] 	does anybody know where to find help with restoring a sql backup?
[18:53:48] 	14(INVALID) Add a CSS class to target IP user pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12509  +comment (10brion)
[18:54:15] 	Wiredtape, which version of mediawiki are you using
[18:54:21] 	Alex__, just do mysql databasename < backup.sql, if you have the command line.  Otherwise use phpMyAdmin and upload it.
[18:54:21] 	1.11
[18:54:57] 	try using and instead of &
[18:55:03] 	Simetrical: but didn't the upgrade script also upgrade the database structure?
[18:55:20] 	Alex__, yes, typically your backup will include the table definitions as well.
[18:55:24] 	And will drop any existing tables.
[18:55:33] 	silly, yes, that's exactly what i plan to do :) thank you..
[18:55:36] 	I found some extremely kludgy fixes but is there any good way to leave an ampersand in a url link?
[19:02:36] 	which table contains the articles?
[19:03:13] 	14(INVALID) [[MediaWiki:Summary-preview]] =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20be=20shown=20also?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20with=20=C2=AB=20Show=20changes?==?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12525  +comment (10brion)
[19:03:48] 	03shinjiman * r29397 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
[19:03:48] 	* Update Cantonese translations for the extension messages
[19:03:48] 	* Update Chinese translations for the extension messages
[19:06:20] 	Alex__, various tables contain different data about the articles, their revisions, and so on.  You probably want to restore the whole thing if you restore anything, unless you're sure you know what you're doing.
[19:06:50] 	Simetrical: k i donnu at all what i'm doing! 
[19:06:54] 	frieze, what do you mean by "leave an ampersand in a URL link"?  Ampersands are not legal in URLs except as query delimiters, AFAIK.
[19:07:08] 	so i'm just going to restore the whole database
[19:08:11] 	great phpmyadmin tells me that the file i want to restore from can't be bigger than 2mb
[19:08:23] 	my backup is 5mb
[19:09:02] 	14(INVALID) Specified key was too long during installation of version 1.6. 10 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12531  +comment (10brion)
[19:10:01] 	03(mod) File links on image description page should be in alphanumeric (alphabetic) order - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12532  (10brion)
[19:11:31] 	Alex__, if you don't have shell access, you should be able to chop it into pieces if you want.  Just don't break an SQL statement (break after a semicolon or something).
[19:11:47] 	Alex__, if you have shell access, you can upload and run it directly, but that might be more of a hassle.
[19:12:31] 	nope i don't have shell access
[19:12:41] 	i'll try the chopping :(
[19:12:49] 	[10:36]		flaggedrevs?
[19:12:51] 	moo
[19:13:21] 	moo
[19:13:51] 	Alex__, what broke your database?
[19:15:35] 	i upgraded to 1.11.0
[19:15:48] 	had to use the web installer
[19:15:54] 	as i don't have shell access
[19:16:58] 	The web installer shouldn't do anything bad to your database.  Although of course, it's good to backup anyway.
[19:17:18] 	Anyway, I'm off to study some abstract algebra.
[19:17:37] 	simetrical: thx for your help
[19:17:47] 	i hope it'll work
[19:21:30] 	great i'm getting an error
[19:24:46] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10darklama)
[19:25:16] 	should i "import" my backup via phpmyadmin or "insert" the values
[19:25:33] 	i'm not sure that i know what i'm doing here :p
[19:26:40] 	is there a good place to host in-development mediaWiki extensions?
[19:27:21] <^demon|away>	You mean like a development site where developers can try their own?
[19:27:49] 	like an svn + bug tracker etc
[19:28:05] 	its for the metavid project... metavid.org
[19:28:23] 	we have been hosting at the university but.. their code hosting software is not ideal
[19:30:30] 	mdale: you looking for source control or test/demo site?
[19:31:31] 	sounds like both probably
[19:31:35] 	I already have a development server.. . just looking at moving the svn to something more stable ... our university svn goes up and down .. (down at the moment) 
[19:33:39] 	if your offering... I think it would be good host metavid on svn.wikimedia ;) .. you host other extensions on there no? like semantic wiki? 
[19:33:42] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10AlexSm)
[19:33:44] 	someone started to set up something like that yesterday
[19:34:40] 	{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|such as that made to [[:{{{1}}}]]|}}.
[19:34:51] 	Whats the point of the "{{{subst|}}}" at the start?
[19:35:00] 	mdale: certainly you can host in our svn
[19:35:32] 	03(mod) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  -shell ; +comment (10jeluf)
[19:37:24] 	03(mod) Extension stylesheets should be loaded before any others - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184  (10daniel)
[19:43:53] 	03(mod) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  (10mail)
[19:46:04] 	sory, asked a question and then lunch came (I love chicken fingers!) I have a url with an ampersand in it and the link changes the & to a &
[19:46:30] 	03(mod) Patroller group inaccessible to stewards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12518  +comment (10pathoschild)
[19:46:57] 	frieze: "the link"? what? where? in html code, that would be correct
[19:49:19] 	http://mydomain.com/wiki/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts_and_Rock_Band&action=watch turns into http://mydomain.com/wiki/index.php?title=Electronic_Arts_and_Rock_Band&action=watch
[19:49:46] 	frieze: where is that link?
[19:49:48] 	where? when?
[19:50:15] 	the first bit is what I put in the [thaturl linkname] the second bit shows up in the actual generated html
[19:50:39] 	that is correct
[19:50:47] 	since & is a special character in HTML, it needs to be escaped to &
[19:51:06] 	frieze: since & is a special char in html, all literal ocurrances must be encoded as &. this is correct oper spec. when seeing or using the the link, it should get turned back into & by the browser.
[19:51:08] 	14(INVALID) Incomplete Taiwanese translation of "jumpto" and related messages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8056  +comment (10shinjiman)
[19:51:30] 	hmm...you're right
[19:51:41] 	when I do it in an imagemap it's bollixing it though
[19:51:45] 	hi there
[19:52:04] 	why do I see a horizontal scrollbar here : http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators&curid=16222&diff=528106&oldid=528105
[19:52:08] 	frieze: in what way? have you tried a different browser? maybe it's a  browser bug.
[19:52:12] 	is this a known bug ?
[19:52:18] 	frieze: can you point us to an example=
[19:52:25] 	frieze: can you reproduce it on wikipedia?
[19:52:32] 	Duesentrieb: sadly it's on a wiki I can't open up
[19:53:03] 	frieze: so, try to reproduce somewhere on test.wikipedia.org (i hope imagemaps are enabled there)
[19:53:28] 	sadly it uses a parserfunction to generate an imagemap inside a template
[19:53:35] 	ThomasV: i don't see one. browser?
[19:53:40] 	requiring a bit of work to replicate
[19:53:52] 	too bad for you.
[19:54:21] 	Duesentrieb: in the middle of the yellow diff section
[19:54:21] 	is there a way to upload parserfunctions to the test wiki?
[19:54:43] 	ThomasV: ah that! it's not a bug, it's a feature.
[19:55:02] 	lol
[19:55:07] 	ThomasV: if some bit of the diff is too wide (because of a url or something), this prevents it from screwing up the rest of the layout
[19:55:17] 	(you would get horizontal scroll on everything otherwise)
[19:55:22] 	oh really...
[19:55:33] 	and you get one bar per paragraph ?
[19:55:46] 	yes. it's simply a css property. overflow:auto
[19:56:04] 	ok
[19:56:14] 	it would suck if you had it on every paragraph. but that should rarely happen
[19:56:34] 	yes, but it also sucks that way :-)
[19:57:18] 	but i cannot think of a better way
[19:57:25] 	could someone point me to a page that describes the "... has a problem" error?
[19:58:01] 	hey is it possible that i can use another server for uploading pictures on my mediawiki, as the server which is the mediawiki istalled?
[19:58:23] 	for uploading, no. 
[19:58:32] 	for storing (and serving) the images, yes
[19:58:56] 	i don't know the details though. 
[19:59:26] 	apparently it's a known imagemap bug.
[19:59:27] 	grr
[19:59:28] 	so if i activate uploading pictures, the pictures must be uploaded on the server on which the mediawiki is istalled 
[20:00:24] 	damn i can't restore my backup
[20:00:39] 	mysql tells me that the tables i try to restore already exist
[20:01:03] 	is there a way to restore the contents only?
[20:02:05] 	Alex__, you can drop the tables manually, then restore the backup again.
[20:02:56] 	simetrical: but the table structure is that of version 1.4.0 
[20:03:12] 	won't i destroy my wikiinstallation if i try that?
[20:03:20] 	Alex__, maybe I don't understand the situation.
[20:03:55] 	k i made a backup of the whole database before upgrading my wiki installation
[20:04:27] 	the upgrade worked fine but for some reason about a third of the articles in my wiki were deleted
[20:04:57] 	Alex__-> if you have a backup that is different (in the db sense) then the wiki upgrade then yes, it would "destroy" your running system...
[20:04:58] 	Pretty weird.
[20:05:04] 	Wiredtape, eh?
[20:05:19] 	Wiredtape, of course restoring a backup destroys the current database, it's supposed to.
[20:05:22] 	great
[20:05:24] 	of course...
[20:05:29] 	so i can't do anything
[20:05:33] 	i was just answering his question..
[20:05:47] 	"Alex__ won't i destroy my wikiinstallation if i try that?"
[20:06:06] 	:(
[20:06:20] 	i'm the world's worst admin
[20:07:13] 	Alex.. you could supposedly if you really want to work hard, try and dump the old backup into another copy of mediawiki (the previous one, and not on the same server) and then import/export the articles (if mw 1.4 has that capability)
[20:07:44] 	or it could be on the same server, just don't overwrite what you have now.. and of course open a new db...
[20:08:48] 	Wiredtape: i would need days to do that
[20:09:14] 	i guess i'll just ask the admin of the webserver to restore one of his backups
[20:09:15] 	"if you really want to work hard" -> otherwise, i don't know of a solution for you :-\
[20:09:44] 	mediawiki sucks when you do not have shell access
[20:09:53] 	at least upgrading mediawiki sucks
[20:10:05] 	but if you don't have so many articles, than this shouldn't take that long..
[20:11:25] 	Alex__, most people have no problems, AFAIK.
[20:11:33] 	how could i know which version of mediawiki i have?
[20:11:36] 	But it's true MediaWiki is kind of a pain with no shell access.
[20:11:39] 	emilsedgh, Special:Version.
[20:11:45] 	Simetrical: thanks :)
[20:15:47] 	is there a way to edit the vertical standard toc in an orizontal toc?
[20:16:59] 	like Section 1 | Section 2 | Section 3 ...
[20:22:41] 	whiles, this could be done with css.. 
[20:23:01] 	* correction: making it horizontal could be done with css
[20:23:10] 	editing it would still be a vertical thing
[20:24:06] 	Wiredtape: i must also remove section numbers... is it possible?
[20:26:34] 	while, i remember there is a setting for that.. i am not sure if it was a parser thing/ an extension or a "local setting" - look in the faq... 
[20:26:56] 	03(mod) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  (10gangleri)
[20:32:13] 	hi all
[20:33:45] 	I'm searching for an extension that allows blog style comments at the bootom of each article (or articles in a specific namespace) .. I saw a TalkHere extension but that doesn't give a preview .. does anyone know of good alternatives?
[20:37:13] 	03(mod) [[MediaWiki:Summary-preview]] =?UTF-8?Q?=20should=20be=20shown=20also?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20with=20=C2=AB=20Show=20changes?==?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=BB?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12525  (10gangleri)
[20:44:24] 	hi
[20:44:41] 	is there a default facility in mediawiki that allows you to embed rss feeds?
[20:44:53] 	I have an external link that ends with "?", the external link is ended with that character without including the rest of the text up to the ]
[20:44:56] 	or does that require an extension?
[20:44:58] 	any solution to this?
[20:45:17] 	AnthonyD, afaik - an extension
[20:45:29] 	03dale * r29398 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/: MetavidWiki folder
[20:45:40] 	thanks wired
[20:45:43] 	np
[20:45:49] 	no built in RSS, eh?
[20:45:58] 	laaaaaaame! ;)
[20:46:05] 	heh
[20:46:22] 	guess i gotta bribe the sysadmin
[20:47:08] 	though this could be an interesting addition to have..
[20:47:43] 	[rss:...]
[20:47:53] 	yeah
[20:47:56] 	would be nice
[20:48:15] 	wtf
[20:48:37] 	why on earth did we need the long urls mail on wikitech
[20:58:00] 	03dale * r29399 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (173 files in 16 dirs): initial import to wikimedia svn
[21:02:57] 	03(mod) Enhancing the editing of references on Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12538  (10raimond.spekking)
[21:03:04] 	http://www.laura-du-schlampe.com/?c=d353c533fe
[21:07:34] 	03(mod) Rollback on en.wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[21:08:58] 	03(mod) $wgAllowExternalImagesFrom is to limiting, extend it to allow multiple domains - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12530   +need-review +patch (10raimond.spekking)
[21:09:28] 	03(NEW) Mailing list for cs Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12540 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (danny_b)
[21:10:13] 	03(mod) Create private Wikinews site - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12528   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[21:13:13] 	03(mod) Create new prefix WP: for polish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12515   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[21:19:35] 	03(mod) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  (10jeluf)
[21:23:01] 	any stableversions dev here?
[21:23:28] 	Hello
[21:24:08] 	test.wp has a visible  on Special:Reviewedpages pagination
[21:26:07] 	Is there any extension adding hooks to handle parent categories for articles ? I'd like to fire some code when an article is added to/changed in/removed from a category.
[21:27:34] 	triggering stuff based on what links of some type where added/removed would be cool. i don't think it's possible currently.
[21:31:16] 	Duesentrieb: I thin it is possible for adding in category and changes for article in category (from ArticleXSaveX hooks)
[21:31:43] 	Duesentrieb: But for remove I don't see how to compare with previous version
[21:31:50] 	previous revision
[21:35:24] 	Telemac: well, when an article is saved, the links are parsed and extracted, so they can be stored to the database. at this stage, the links currently in the database would have to be loaded, and the two sets compared. this would be quite nice to have.
[21:37:32] 	I haven't see a hook where previous article revision can be get. You mean directly in MW core code ?
[21:42:27] 	BrokenArrow: it's intentionally broken, part of bug testing, i'm pretty sure
[21:42:49] 	it shouldn't be just Special:Reviewedpages, it should be others as well
[21:42:56] *BrokenArrow 	woudln't have done anything to fix it :)
[21:43:17] 	:)
[21:43:17] 	other ones I've tested didn't have it (instead, they have a box around the area
[21:44:07] 	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history has a similar issue
[21:46:23] 	yes, I remember saying something about that days ago
[21:46:30] 	Duesentrieb: If it is possible to programatically get a given article revision from a hook, it could be done in ArticleSaveComplete hook with $revision arg, comparing with current $article
[21:47:08] 	03(FIXED) Mailing list for cs Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12540  +comment (10cbass)
[21:53:30] 	03(mod) Enable email notification on changes to user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5220  (10mail)
[21:57:01] 	Telemac: doing it by comparing text is quite tricky. you would have to do a full parse of the old revision - not sure if that would be faster than fetching the links
[21:57:05] 	03nikerabbit * r29400 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Exporters.php: * Some enhancements to exporter
[21:57:13] 	03siebrand * r29401 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.i18n.php: Localisation updates. Remove EOL whitespace.
[21:58:23] 	Duesentrieb: Sure but for comparing parent categories change I think it work, with article->mTitle->getParentCategories() ?
[21:59:45] 	Hi, are there any developers who are in the mood to review my extension to see if it would be eligible for inclusion in the subversion repo? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate#MultiBoilerplate.i18n.php - thanks!
[22:00:01] 	Code-wise as well as concept-wise.
[22:00:12] 	Telemac: i suppose that fetches them from the database
[22:00:18] 	03siebrand * r29402 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.i18n.php: Localisation updates. Add newline for consistency.
[22:00:37] 	MinuteElectron: wtf, you still haven't gotten commit access for yourself? ;-)
[22:01:01] 	Duesentrieb: Yes
[22:01:18] 	Jack_Phoenix: No, but if this extension turns out to be any good I'm going to ask :)
[22:01:44] 	nice :D
[22:01:48] 	(about time IMO ;-)
[22:01:49] 	Jack_Phoenix: Then I'll just work on extension for a while until I get a core modification reviewed and I will commit that.
[22:01:57] 	Jack_Phoenix: naah, I'm still a noob.
[22:02:06] 	no, you're /not/ ;)
[22:02:22] 	:P thanks
[22:03:01] 	Jack_Phoenix: But I'm trying to impress with my code so I've been working on it to make it as nice as possible.
[22:03:29] 	cool :)
[22:03:59] 	:D
[22:11:44] 	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  (10gangleri)
[22:11:45] 	03(NEW) Impossible to add an assertion w/ AssertEdit extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12541 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: General/Unknown; (alex.emsenhuber)
[22:13:09] 	What's $revision in ArticleSaveComplete hook ? With my tests it is always NULL
[22:15:06] 	03nikerabbit * r29403 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Exporters.php: * Better matching
[22:16:04] 	Telemac: the revision object inserted in the database
[22:19:06] 	ialex: In wfRunHooks in updateArticle I can see 8 args whereas in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleSaveComplete I see 9 args (with this revision one as nineth). I'm using a mediawiki 1.10. Is it a doc problem or a mw 1.10 one ?
[22:20:30] 	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php?r1=24313&r2=24323
[22:20:39] 	Telemac: n the trunk there is 9
[22:20:52] 	Telemac: what revision of 1.10 are you on?
[22:21:38] 	1.10 provided by my distro
[22:22:11] 	RELASE-NOTES says that's 1.11
[22:22:15] 	$revision was only added to ArticleInsertComplete 5 months ago, might be too new -> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=24323
[22:22:25] 	heh
[22:30:11] 	03siebrand * r29404 10/trunk/extensions/ (33 files in 29 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-07 22:55 CET)
[22:32:40] 	03rainman * r29405 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (28 files in 16 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[22:32:40] 	Highlighting:
[22:32:41] 	* serialization with splits, ranges, suffix, text
[22:32:41] 	* small bugs (bad deserialization of aliases, skipping redirects,
[22:32:41] 	 isolated stop words)..
[22:32:43] 	Other:
[22:32:45] 	* fixed PrefixBuilder to work with new links structure
[22:34:25] 	03siebrand * r29406 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (14 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-07 22:49 CET)
[22:43:02] 	I am logged in as admin and I want to edit the navigation in the sidebar but can't find out where I can edit?
[22:47:45] 	where does math look for the tmp dir? he complains, that he cant create it....  i got one in images one in the main dir, one in math.... well - in my logs, i can`t see, where he is trying to create it
[22:50:15] 	!pdhelp Sidebar | Poundo 
[22:50:15] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sidebar
[22:50:21] 	Poundo: ^^
[22:51:26] 	!pdhelp math
[22:51:26] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:math
[22:51:30] 	hmpf
[22:51:48] 	03aaron * r29407 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: typo
[23:00:43] 	Hello, I'm looking for an extension for mediawiki that would allow users to comment on pages without actually editing the page itself
[23:04:25] 	comment where?
[23:04:44] 	annotate or just post thoughts on the side/bottom?
[23:05:04] 	where does math look for the tmp dir? he complains, that he cant create it....  i got one in images one in the main dir, one in math.... well - in my logs, i can`t see, where he is trying to create it
[23:10:52] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sidebar  gives me the "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other  pages or edit this page..." message
[23:11:08] 	I'm confused!
[23:15:49] 	!sidebar
[23:15:49] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see .
[23:17:12] 	Flightbase: check the settings of $wgMathPath $wgMathDirectory $wgTmpDirectory
[23:17:35] 	Enter text hehello
[23:17:59] 	hi
[23:18:06] 	Splarka, thanks
[23:18:10] 	hi scorpionace 
[23:18:11] 	Splarka: what does !sidebar mean please? "not Sidebar"
[23:18:23] 	Flightbase: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMathPath http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMathDirectory http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgTmpDirectory
[23:18:31] 	hey very new to all this just found this cause it says wiki
[23:18:33] 	Poundo: it triggers mwbot to explain
[23:18:33] 	Poundo: no, it's a command for the bot to say something
[23:18:48] 	the help page you seek is probably at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar
[23:19:11] 	nono just wondering is there anyone here know anything about l2j
[23:19:12] 	oh ok thanks for the splaination
[23:19:27] 	the Help: namespace appears to be limited to help editing the mediawiki.org wiki itself
[23:20:12] 	so does that mean you have some idea about the l2j
[23:23:26] 	hi, is it possible to hide the numbering in the automatically generated "Table of contents" menu?
[23:25:13] 	khaur: .tocnumber { display: none; }
[23:26:19] 	Splarka, well, everything seems to be fine. now i used even chmod 777 - but he pretends to got no write access
[23:26:36] 	Duesentrieb: forgive my ignorance, but where/how should i add that?
[23:28:12] 	khaur: it's css code. you would put it into the page MediaWiki:common.css - then it is in effect globally (after you clear your browser cache)
[23:28:33] 	khaur: to do it for on page only, you would need an extension that provides per-page css. there are a couple, iirc
[23:28:41] 	Duesentrieb: ahh, but i only... oh
[23:29:08] 	khaur: there's a hackish way to do it per page without an extension:
[23:29:13] 	define
[23:29:23] 	.notocnumbers .tocnumber { display: none; }
[23:29:40] 	then use this in the article: 
__TOC__

[23:31:03] 	Duesentrieb: per page css is supported
[23:31:20] 	AaronSchulz: exactly
[23:31:22] 	each  tag has a class styled after the page name
[23:31:33] 	eg  body.page-Main_Page
[23:33:06] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Annotation
[23:33:09] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Rating
[23:33:10] 	Splarka: yes, you are right. you can target individual pages in the global css
[23:33:24] 	but that's not very handy - my method can for example be made into a template
[23:33:31] 	hmmhesays: flaggedrevs includes a comment box, but with other stuff
[23:33:32] 	and will keep working when the page is moved, etc
[23:33:37] 	it is handy if it is only needed on one page
[23:33:56] 	Splarka: for stuff like hiding the top title on the main page, yes
[23:34:18] 	plus, you also mentioned it required an extension, was just letting you know it didn't ^_^
[23:34:35] 	Basically All I want is a comment box on the bottom of the page
[23:35:22] 	hmmhesays: look at the TalkHere extension
[23:35:34] 	hmmhesays: it inlines the talk page at the bottom
[23:35:44] 	and has ajax edit
[23:35:46] 	03thomasv * r29408 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: confusion between levels 1 and 2
[23:35:50] 	hmm what exactly is a talkpage?
[23:36:04] 	hmm look at wikipedia
[23:36:13] 	find some page, click the "talk" tab
[23:37:22] 	Duesentrieb & Splarka: thanks guys, i got it to work now
[23:37:28] 	the "discussion" tab?
[23:37:50] 	Splarka, any idea how i can debug that problem?
[23:38:20] 	i just defined the 3 math path in LocalSettings - does not work out ;(
[23:38:38] 	Oh I definately don't want users to be able to use wiki markup to create comments
[23:38:43] 	just a basic comment form
[23:38:43] *Splarka 	doesn't know
[23:39:29] 	hmmhesays: preventing users from using wikitext is a LOT more tricky.
[23:39:50] 	there are several inputbox-type extensions, some of which can append to pages.
[23:39:54] 	i think all allow wikitext
[23:40:59] 	hmmhesays: perhaps what you are looking for is not a wiki?...
[23:41:41] 	Duesentrieb: Wiki layout is nice though
[23:41:57] 	I've seen the functionality I want on other wiki's
[23:42:11] 	without wikitext? sure?
[23:42:16] 	anyway... then use other wikis.
[23:42:26] 	mediawiki isn't designed for that. even TalkHere is a massive hack.
[23:42:28] 	hehe
[23:42:30] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads
[23:42:36] 	brion: 'LiquidThreads is a new discussion system for MediaWiki, implemented as an extension, with the aim of eventually being incorporated into MediaWiki 2.0.'
[23:42:39] 	oh yes
[23:42:47] 	but LQT allows you to use wikitext
[23:42:49] 	:D
[23:42:50] 	and a lot more things
[23:42:54] 	right
[23:43:05] 	it kind of looks like smoke and mirrors
[23:43:13] 	but the MW 2.0 thing made me giggle
[23:43:37] 	i saw a working demo a while back, but i'm pretty sure its not ready for production
[23:43:42] 	and MW 2.0 makes you wonder, yes
[23:43:50] 	the rating extension looks fine for want
[23:43:55] 	you can just use the comment box on it
[23:44:25] 	anyway, gn8
[23:59:56] 	hey all - does anyone know what is required to confirm a user in the database other than setting user_email_authenticated with a MW timestamp string?
[23:59:59] 	or is that all it takes?