[00:13:05] has anyone done a lot of work with media/movie uploads to a mediawiki? Specically, making them playable /on the Media: page itself/? MPGs I can do normal s for, and Flash files I can do various extensions for but /only inline on another page/, not on the Media: page itself. [00:14:37] you mean the Image: page? [00:15:10] right. but if you upload a non Image, doesn't it become Media:? [00:15:19] no [00:15:36] oh. so everything is always "really" Image, and Media is just a synonym? the hell is Media: if not? [00:15:51] Media: actually means "download" [00:16:01] oh? interesting. [00:16:02] I've suggested renaming it, but nobody seemed to be keen for some reason [00:16:09] so, if I upload Image:Whee.mpg [00:16:14] and link to it as Media:whee.mpg... [00:16:18] it'll download the literal file? [00:16:21] yes [00:16:28] *Morbus scratches chin. [00:16:31] well, that's kinda handy [00:16:57] anyway, the feature you want is quite possible, and I've done it for Ogg Theora/Vorbis files [00:17:02] well, that's good to know. but, anyways, b... ok. [00:17:07] it's in the extension called OggHandler [00:17:10] as an extension? sample co... thanks. [00:17:29] Media:/Image: is also quite sexy for #ifexist <3 [00:17:42] I don't think anyone has done it for MPEG files yet, but you can always transcode to theora [00:17:57] i'd rather not transcode. [00:18:11] ideally, if its an mpg, i'd just offer a clearer download link. [00:18:16] and if it's Flash, i'd embed a player. [00:18:49] TimStarling: do you have a pointer to which file or hook I"m specifically looking at? i'm starting at the ogghandler svn now. [00:19:08] and/or a demo? ;) [00:19:18] of your override, i mean. not a "write my code please". [00:19:36] 03siebrand * r29522 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAst.php: Localisation updates. Update namespaces per http://ast.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uiquipedia:Votaciones&oldid=216561 [00:20:22] well, the image description page will call the transform() method of the media handler for that file type, which will produce HTML for a video control [00:20:43] that's the same way that images work [00:20:45] yeah, that's fine. i can mod it as needed, i'm just looking for the hook/function you use. [00:20:58] the issue is that the extensions you have already don't define a media handler [00:21:04] they just make a parser extension [00:21:17] ah. [00:21:38] so you use parserTransformHook and outputHook to transcode, then spit out setHeaders. [00:22:53] that approach causes a bug with shared image repositories, it might be better to just set the headers unconditionally [00:24:17] http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11289 [00:25:42] mm. [00:25:43] ok. [00:26:47] certainly tell me to "just try it" (cos I haven't), but what happens if i upload a flv or a mpg /without/ any sort of special handling? Does MW display a broken box? Nothing at all? It's normal metadata information? I could always add the flashplayer in the image description itself, and/or a clickable link for MPG playing. [00:26:57] I don't yet know if i'm gonna be doing MPG or Flash. I'm still examining the options. [00:27:37] anybody knows where mediawiki hosts CSS content for title=- referese? (user styles are on) [00:27:44] it won't display any image or video player [00:28:02] image links like [[Image:Thing.mpg]] will just be text links to the image description page [00:28:18] and the image description page will show a generic metadata message, just telling you the file size and mime type [00:28:24] ok. so inline, I would use Media:Thing.mpg, or (depending on the extension) [00:28:43] that may be enough, really. /me thinks. [00:28:53] ideally, Flash would be better in that regard because it saves an extra click... [00:28:58] for an extension like OggHandler, you actually use [[Image:Thing.mpg]] to make the video player [00:29:11] yeah, I don't want to transcode to Ogg, that's my main problem. [00:29:14] [[Media:Thing.mpg]] just makes a download link, same as the old behaviour [00:29:29] that's how it works for any media handler [00:30:44] extensions that use are OK, but the Image: page will be very sparse, with no video-specific metadata or video player [00:30:49] unless you put it there by editing the page [00:33:17] right, which I would. [00:33:31] i don't care much about metadata display. [00:33:53] the thing i most care about is "can i get rid of the extra Media:File.MPG click if someone goes to Image:File.MPG" [00:34:01] and, at the moment, that means "embed flash player in image description". [00:34:07] I'm still undecided the best way to go. [00:34:41] anybody knows where mediawiki hosts content served by header emit @import "/index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=css" ? [00:35:19] mediawiki:common.css [00:35:21] and friends [00:35:21] i believe thats a collection of MediaWiki:Common.css and user CSS and etc. [00:35:28] yeah + user css [00:35:39] and or skinspecific CSS, like MonoBook:Common.css [00:36:25] that the thing - MediaWiki:Common.css reports its empty [00:37:03] Morbus: mediawiki:monobook.css [00:37:03] it is, by default. [00:37:04] ;-) [00:37:09] oh? [00:37:15] shows how much i know. ;) [00:38:06] TimStarling: what would happen if I included Media:Image.png in a ? [00:38:08] *Morbus tries. [00:38:16] imports go as mediawiki:common , then skin import (i have custom skin, its my file) and finally 3rd one that mysterious title=- [00:38:35] which i have no clue where its coming from... but it has content! [00:38:42] urlord: thats usually user:blah/something.css [00:38:52] or mediawiki:monobook... [00:39:12] is there some default / root user name like "-" in wiki? [00:39:52] ah. interesting, so Media: doesn't work in a gallery at all... have to go back to manual tables. no problems. [00:39:54] since index.php?title=- and index.php?title=-&gen=css return different content... [00:39:57] *Morbus still weighs his options. [00:40:26] *Splarka smacks domas [00:40:28] urlord: thats probably in Rawpage.php ;-) [00:40:35] or some similar named file [00:40:40] cause I remember fixing something there [00:40:41] :) [00:40:41] urlord: that is the user's CSS preferences [00:41:21] so it is probably generated from the user's preferences ^_^ [00:41:34] user prefs - is that special page? [00:41:41] i defenitely did not edit mine :) [00:41:41] Special:Preferences [00:42:15] you don't edit it, per se [00:42:24] you choose an option like "always underline links" or "never underline links" [00:42:35] which gives you something there like: [00:42:35] a { text-decoration: underline; } [00:43:28] nope, thats not it.... basicaly i have big blob of CSS coming out from that title=-&gen=css - and can't find where that damn thing is read from... [00:43:38] link? [00:45:02] from firebug: /index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=css&maxage=18000&smaxage=0 [00:46:06] i suspect thats all emited by $this->html('usercss' ) [00:47:14] is there another @import below it? eg /index.php?title=User:YOU/SKINNAME.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css [00:47:22] nope, that last one [00:47:41] mediawiki:common , then my custom skin, then this title=- [00:47:57] what version of MediaWiki: ? [00:48:12] (in Special:Version ) [00:48:35] 1.9.3 [00:49:53] see function reallyDoGetUserStyles() in /includes/Skin.php and getUserStylesheet() in /includes/SkinTemplate.php [00:51:25] from includes/RawPage.php: if($this->mGen) { .. if($this->mGen == 'css') { .. return $sk->getUserStylesheet(); [00:51:45] awesome, looking! [00:52:07] urlord: can you pastebin an example of what you see at gen=css? if it doesn't agree [00:53:28] I mean, it only seems to check a few user options, getOption("underline"), "hilightbroken", "justify", "showtoc", "editseection [00:53:38] ^editsection [00:54:06] actually it emits some CSS styles - apparently edited by prev dev of corp intranet here... [00:54:24] im banging my head how the heck the manage to edit it and where.. [00:54:38] mmm, custom hacks [00:54:46] well, trace it back ^_^ [00:55:08] was my thought #1 BUT - there are google refences that people see title=- in all media wikis [00:55:14] they should have put it into skinname/main.css or MediaWiki:Skinname.css [00:55:31] the title= parameter is ignored in some cases [00:55:34] but still required [00:55:42] &gen=js &gen=css &curid=##3 [00:55:54] er, ### even (any article ID number) [00:56:59] TimStarling: now i'm considering transcoding to Theora. [00:57:00] compare for example: [00:57:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Empire_Stadium&curid=5327844 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&curid=5327844 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5327844 [00:57:29] so title=- is the general "null title" I guess [00:57:41] ah! [00:57:55] TimStarling: how well does it transcode, if at all, from FLV? [00:58:30] sry to interrupt, is it possible to downgrade a user from sysop to standard, or delete a user entirely? without manually editing the database file [00:59:00] user deletion is ill-advised, but you can certainly de-sysop them, yes. [00:59:02] Nadi: do you have any bureaucrats (assuming default rights) ? [00:59:14] from FLV to theora? [00:59:38] yes i would like to downgrade sysops and sysop bureaucrats to standard users, also delete old accounts that shouldn't have access [00:59:54] tried going to Special:Userrights ? [00:59:55] TimStarling: yeah. [01:00:14] if possible, i'd rather standardize on one video type - MPG, FLV, or Theora. [01:00:19] I don't know, I haven't tried it, it really depends on the available software [01:00:24] but they're all very similar formats [01:00:31] Splarka: I do not see Userrights in the special pages [01:01:27] Nai: do you have access to LocalSettings.php ? [01:01:28] Splark: here is for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tom-/Wikipedia_IE_issues [01:01:33] he is right about IE btw :) [01:02:01] "MediaWiki loads /w/wiki.phtml?title=-&action=raw&gen=css which then redirects to another CSS file - but IE sends ..." [01:02:07] Splarka: yes [01:02:44] Nai: what version of MediaWiki? [01:03:04] so it seems like mediawiki works with that title=- out of the box, wasn't custom hack on that one... [01:03:25] Morbus: ffmpeg supports all three [01:03:32] urlord: go to en.wikipedia.org and check the page source [01:03:33] Splarka: it does not say anywhere, how can i find out [01:03:42] Special:Version [01:03:58] 1.4.14 [01:04:11] TimStarling: do you happen to have a theora video example? and, should I do Theora or FLV? I've never worked with Theora - what made it a more compelling choice then FLV? [01:04:51] old, who knows how to give bureaucrats access to userrights in 1.4? ^_^ [01:05:03] rediculous [01:06:13] "This feature was introduced in MediaWiki 1.5" [01:06:44] doh [01:07:35] Morbus: theora is theoretically patent-free, that's why we went with it [01:07:41] gotcha. [01:07:48] that's the only thing that sets it above the other codecs, otherwise it's mediocre [01:08:03] what did 1.4 have, Userlevels or something [01:08:52] let's see if I can find an example for you... [01:09:55] TimStarling: so this ogg extension transcode to theora/ogg, regardless of what's thrown at it? FLV? MPG? Nothign extra I have to configure for the ffmpeg command (save for making sure the relevant libraries are installed, of course) [01:10:43] nai: try Special:Userlevels [01:10:57] does not exist [01:11:54] then... database manipulation? [01:12:09] **** [01:13:13] or upgrade X_X [01:13:21] there are some theora videos here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Video [01:13:42] can i delete a user without modifying the database [01:13:46] ah, thanks. [01:15:45] TimStarling: does transcoding happen immediately? if i upload a flv, does it ever transcode by itself? does it save as .flv? is the native version still available for DL? [01:16:41] we don't have any server-side video transcoding at present [01:16:52] ah! so, you have to transcode locally first, then upload as .ogg only. [01:16:56] yep [01:22:11] TimStarling: hrm. this java player isn't the best. [01:22:11] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:051118-WSIS.2005-Richard.Stallman.ogg [01:22:21] if i stop the video, then hit play, it starts over, not where i stopped it. [01:22:44] "dont hit stop; hit play" - solved! ;) [01:22:52] *Morbus looks into ogg transcoding locally [01:23:10] you're meant to press pause if you want to start from where you stopped [01:23:29] there are some bugs [01:23:49] i wonder if quicktime can export as ogg. [01:24:03] bleh. no. [01:24:18] there's a quicktime extension called XiphQT [01:24:26] not sure if it has export capabilities yet [01:24:39] ah. /me looks. [01:25:00] you can use it to play the videos in your browser if you don't like cortado (the java applet) [01:25:08] yeah, i noticed that option under More. [01:27:18] Splarka: you win, thanks man! these bright sparks hacked simple.php (reallyDoGetUserStyles) [01:27:55] stab them [01:29:06] TimStarling: yeah, that xiph thing can export to ogg after installed. trying now. [01:30:56] 03yaron * r29523 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Another SMW 1.0 fix [01:33:41] 03yaron * r29524 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/skins/SD_main.css: More CSS changes [01:42:42] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:42:42] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". [01:43:43] neither do I :) [01:44:16] uh... wow [01:44:36] *Skizzerz tells mwbot that wasn't a command [01:46:10] Hey, guys [01:46:22] If I wanted to automatically append articles with particular content [01:46:28] what would be the best way to do it? [01:48:15] I guess the real question is: are there any particular hooks that offer a good way to append or prepend html to articles? [01:55:58] which skin? above/below catlinks? inside/outside bodyContent/Content? [01:58:28] did you check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks ? [02:00:48] Yep [02:01:33] The issue is that some of the hooks that would be good don't pass the article/title as a parameter [02:01:42] and I don't necessarily like the idea of using $wgArticle [02:09:25] and you checked Skin/SkinTemplate/Article/Monobook.php for any other good hooks? [02:09:54] Yea [02:12:47] It's really a non-issue though [02:15:56] !meow [02:15:56] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "meow". [02:21:30] 03simetrical * r29525 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Fix vulnerability (hopefully): anyone with rollback privileges can mark the rollback as bot, despite r27657. [02:27:03] *Splarka tests something [02:27:05] !mediawiki" and furthermore, you should start trying to help yourself instead of relying on me. I am not your "mother [02:27:05] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "mediawiki"". [02:27:09] darn ^_^ [02:29:10] 03simetrical * r29526 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUserrights.php): Do not log user rights change that didn't change anything [02:29:46] lol [02:33:14] but but, null editlets! heh [02:57:49] what's the process for taking over a lonely extension? [02:58:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FLVPlayer hasn't been updated since 2006 from the original guy, and i'd liek to explore updating it. [03:01:13] Morbus, if it's just on the wiki, we don't care, do whatever you want. [03:01:21] If it's in SVN, you need commit access, then you can do whatever you want. [03:01:39] okeedoo. [03:05:52] Morbus, maybe you should rename it and link to it, though, instead of just taking over the extension itself. [03:05:58] Could be messy if the guy comes back and objects, otherwise. [03:06:15] Simetrical: yeah, but that sucks. there's 6+ Flash extensions right now and they all do the same damn thing cos of that sort of advice :D [03:09:30] 03tstarling * r29527 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (6 files): Database-based log for CheckUser. Requires schema update. [03:10:06] I guess we finally realized that flat files aren't scalable? :P [03:10:23] TimStarling: ohhh [03:10:28] *AaronSchulz gets stirred [03:11:16] the fact that I didn't even implement paging should tell you how scalable I thought it was [03:11:33] I just had the entire log displayed on the Special:CheckUser entry page [03:12:35] wow, that is heavily indexed [03:12:40] the tail() hack should never have been added [03:12:53] but justifiable [03:12:59] searching will be pretty good [03:13:45] TimStarling: should INDEX (cul_user) be INDEX (cul_user, cul_timestamp ) ? [03:13:57] I can imagine that building up [03:14:16] Yeah, you'd probably want to search for a user's log entries ordered by timestamp. [03:14:37] Possibly same for some of the others. Too bad MySQL doesn't allow separate retrieval/sort indexes. [03:14:39] AaronSchulz: yes [03:15:56] so this is a local log right? [03:16:14] I guess I can hook it onto update.php [03:16:35] lol, the PG file :) [03:16:53] TimStarling: ok, what is cul_range_start for? [03:17:47] yes it's a local log [03:17:49] 03tstarling * r29528 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/cu_log.sql: Appending cul_timestamp to all the search indexes [03:18:01] cul_range_start is the start of the IP range that was searched for [03:19:23] right, but what does the index do? [03:19:47] well, if you search for an IP address, it will show you range queries that included that IP address [03:21:29] the code is probably not efficient, but the index structure should be OK, it's based on ipblocks [03:22:33] isn't INDEX (cul_target_hex) enough? [03:22:52] searching for range blocks requires scanning [03:23:03] it's better if you only have to scan a small index [03:23:24] that's why cul_range_start/cul_range_end are set to '' for single-IP queries [03:23:52] because then you don't have to scan that part of the table [03:23:56] speaking of ipblocks and ranges, is there any chance this bug request will be solved? http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8218 [03:24:09] it would be really useful [03:24:37] Brownout: not right now [03:24:48] :( [03:24:55] not by me anyway [03:25:20] feel free to ask the other devs [03:25:55] but is it feasible without a huge code rewriting or it would require too much work? [03:26:27] it's fairly simple [03:26:40] glad to hear [03:27:19] we should have a "difficulty" field in bugzilla, shouldn't we? [03:28:14] TimStarling: can you make the cul_target_id index named cul_type_target, just to be more "conventional"? [03:28:51] you've got commit access haven't you? [03:29:15] TimStarling: hrm. I see you add ogg to $wgMediaHandlers in OggHandler.php. Can more than one extension respond to a mediahandler? Could I listen on application/octet-stream, then check the name for .flv at the end? [03:29:45] no [03:29:50] damn. [03:29:51] :) [03:30:09] but you can hack the mime type detection in whatever way you want [03:30:21] could I capture the current setting (is tehre one?), check for .flv, then re-call the media handling hook? [03:30:45] yeah, I suppose so [03:30:52] how do you mean? [03:30:59] but I don't know why you'd want to handle application/octet-stream [03:31:10] Can anybody explain to me what caused all of the chaos on the en tonight? [03:31:26] TimStarling: I don't think most webservers have any support for an .flv file's proper mime-type? [03:31:32] if we're missing detection for .flv, just add it to includes/mime.types [03:31:40] oh. [03:31:42] it's not the webserver's mime.types, it's mediawiki's [03:31:54] hrm. than what were you saying before about me not having a mime-type for flv files? [03:32:06] maybe i misunderstood [03:32:11] I don't know [03:33:05] ok, yes, i got confused: [03:33:06] [19:20] the issue is that the extensions you have already don't define a media handler [03:33:13] i read that as "file extension", not MW extension. [03:33:45] flv is in mime.types. [03:39:25] is anyone in here familiar with templates? [03:39:42] i'd say a fair number of us are. [03:40:17] all right. I'm making an infobox template, and I can't figure out how to center an image [03:40:45] i'd do that by sticking it in a table with style="text-align:center;" [03:40:56] 03aaron * r29529 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser.php cu_log.pg.sql cu_log.sql): [03:40:56] * Rename an index [03:40:56] * Add PG schema [03:40:56] * Hook new table update onto update.php [03:41:12] I bet I missed the second quote [03:42:00] that was it - should have caught that on my own [03:42:35] 03aaron * r29530 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Add UL tags [03:42:45] blah [03:42:59] *Splarka hates JS, grumbles to self [03:43:39] TimStarling: heh, a lot of users are complaining about the new rollbacker group ;) [03:43:42] my next problem is to get Navboxes to work [03:44:26] does #if work by default? [03:44:52] rollbacker? [03:44:57] is that what it's called? [03:45:01] yep [03:45:02] TimStarling, http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12534 [03:45:08] !parserfunctions | Mannerisky [03:45:08] --mwbot-- Mannerisky : "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [03:45:24] the vote was 66%, so people are divided on whether that is "consensus" [03:45:50] However, there is overwhelming support for letting some antivandal bots have it [03:45:53] they should have formed a committee [03:46:03] AaronSchulz, some people dispute that part too. [03:46:11] AaronSchulz, it was only a few days, they didn't hear about it, etc. [03:46:23] Simetrical: personally I opposed it as overly bureaucratic, but I don't really care what happens too much [03:46:23] Because of course it totally makes a difference what URL the bot uses to roll back edits. [03:46:36] Simetrical: almost everyone is fine with bots [03:46:37] Bots should just have rollback by default. [03:46:45] I had that thought [03:46:51] Should I add that? That would be exciting, even more wikidrama! [03:46:51] but people would complain a lot [03:47:04] thanks Simetrical and Morbus - I'll give it a shot [03:47:14] Anyone who complains about such a non-change is ipso facto not qualified to complain. [03:47:31] But I'll at least wait for this to die down before committing that. :P [03:49:03] *AaronSchulz tests the log [03:50:03] TimStarling: are their plans for a global log? [03:50:10] people will bitch hard if it disappears [04:02:42] 03aaron * r29531 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser.php: Since this has a retroactive update, call install.php function rather than just adding the table. [04:04:08] hello? [04:04:38] there are people here underwear [04:05:01] ok cool, wasn't sure if they were all afk [04:08:01] why is my log empty? [04:08:02] gah [04:10:13] for future reference, Template:Navbox is a son of a monkey to set up. it requires at least two other templates and one additional extension. [04:10:22] yes. [04:10:23] so how do I use mediawiki? [04:12:32] TimStarling: it is reading all of the lines, but not matching anything [04:13:02] 1785 discarded rows [04:13:08] underwear: perhaps you should be a bit more specific on what you are trying to do [04:14:17] sorry, I just want to be able to run a personal wiki and preferably use it locally [04:14:20] where do your lines come from? [04:14:45] you'll probably find it easier to use a text editor. [04:15:57] ok, it thinks all of the rows are for another wiki [04:16:55] Specifically, I'm trying to put my wiki on a thumb drive [04:17:12] you want a flatfile wiki, not a database driven one, then. [04:17:31] What's a flatfile wiki? [04:17:37] uses textfiles. [04:18:08] would it have all the same features? [04:18:15] nope. [04:18:52] would it at least look like a regular wikipedia page? [04:18:58] nope. [04:19:03] it'd be entirely different software. [04:19:38] the only way you could get mediawiki working off a thumb drive is if you either a) had mysql/apache/php installed wherever you plan to use your thumb drive, or b) you make your drive a bootable linux with all the servers you need, and boot off it. [04:19:45] You could run AMP off a thumb drive, couldn't do? [04:19:46] you? [04:20:01] Why not just execute it in-place? [04:20:10] TimStarling: the log has " on wikidb" but wfWikiID() returns "wikidib-mw_" [04:20:13] yeah, true. [04:20:42] I thought I fixed that a while ago [04:20:46] I guess not [04:21:07] 03dale * r29532 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (mv_embed.js mv_quicktimeEmbed.js): quicktime playback is disabled until the xiph qt component better supports ogg skeleton streams [04:21:24] nothing should ever use $wgDBname to identify a wiki [04:22:01] So this wouldn't do what I want? http://tinyurl.com/2ev53c [04:24:10] anyone know of a flash player that can play ogg/theora stuff? i don't want to use this java widget thingy. [04:24:27] flash can't play ogg theora [04:24:36] oh. well, that's kaput then. /me sighs. [04:24:41] i'm still on the fence :) [04:24:45] it can only play H.263 [04:24:51] 4 [04:25:53] the only reason java can play theora is because someone has ported the vorbis and theora decoders to java [04:26:14] hrm. [04:26:20] isn't Media: supposed to download, you said? [04:26:24] I don't think ActionScript would be fast enough to decode theora video on the fly [04:26:50] i was expecting a download here: http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/Media:12_Monkeys-1995-UK-VHS-2.jpg [04:27:00] but i just see the same thing with Image: [04:27:09] it only works in links [04:27:15] not in URLs [04:27:37] ah, yes, confirmed. [04:27:37] thanks. [04:31:52] TimStarling: is $wgRateLimits['rollback'] set for WMF sites? [04:34:54] yes [04:35:01] 'rollback' => array( [04:35:01] 'user' => array( 5, 60 ), [04:35:01] 'newbie' => array( 5, 120 ), [04:35:01] ), [04:37:55] newbie = non-autoconfirmed ? [04:38:41] k, thanks [04:38:43] That's what it usually means, right? [04:39:16] newbie is only used for "newbie contribs" [04:39:35] and that is just the newest accounts by registration order [04:39:41] autoconfirmed is 4 days [04:39:57] Hmm. [04:40:18] I thought newbie contribs got changed over to non-autoconfirmed when that was implemented. [04:40:19] newbies doesn't use autoconfirmed IIRC [04:40:24] Guess not. [04:40:42] newest 1% of users [04:40:46] yep [04:40:54] I know it changed somehow. [04:41:28] Newest 1% of users, yeah. [04:41:51] Simetrical: I think autoconfirmed used to be that [04:41:57] that is what changed [04:42:04] Hmm, you're probably right. [05:05:45] all right, I've got another question about templates [05:06:05] I'd like to have fields only appear if they are given values in the article [05:07:15]