[00:00:43] hi [00:01:25] hi [00:01:36] 03siebrand * r29817 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (23 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-16 0:44 CET) [00:01:47] does anyone knows wikinimst ? [00:02:01] because the latex feature is taken from the mediawiki source [00:02:12] and i've got a problem using on my server [00:02:16] Area411: which infobox did you copy exactly? [00:03:27] So what's the problem with this template: http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/Template:Status [00:04:00] Not sure. I did a few, and none of them work. I used the templates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Infobox_templates [00:04:30] Thats some of them, and there was another page that I can't find at this point. I did one that was Software to come to think about this. [00:05:50] does anyone knows this error : 'math_failure (math_unknown_error 1): [00:06:30] 03siebrand * r29818 10/trunk/extensions/ (41 files in 38 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-16 0:44 CET) [00:06:55] 03simetrical * r29819 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: [00:06:55] * Rollback should not work if the wiki is read-only [00:06:55] * Spacing, 80-char lines, adjust some comments [00:10:02] Splarka, I am sorry, my internet just stopped. Did you happen to say anything after my last message? [00:10:41] Oh, I forgot a line in that commit message: * Fix fatal error, apparently on every successful rollback, due to failure to declare $wgUser global [00:10:48] Area411, he didn't, no. [00:10:53] 03siebrand * r29820 10/trunk/extensions/Todo/SpecialTodo.i18n.php: Some formatting fixes [00:12:07] So.. tables don't work within a #switch... [00:12:13] ? [00:12:18] Area: nope, was still looking. If you point to an infobox you like I'll tell you what you need to copy it [00:12:32] Wiredtape: depends [00:12:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:! [00:12:46] or you can sometimes use XML tables + tidy [00:13:29] I am not sure what I need I just want something that I could put an image in, and some information. Hold on let me look. [00:14:52] I'm guessing "{{Jesse get me out of my moms house) " shouldn't be in there... :) [00:17:51] heh [00:17:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3A%21%2Fdoc&diff=184609206&oldid=184219849 [00:17:58] I can't deiced which one i need. Is there anyway to get one where I can put what ever I want. Just a template off to the side? [00:18:13] Area: yah.. [00:18:22] you just need some CSS to make it pretty [00:18:34] Splarka, thanks.. [00:18:41] wasn't me [00:18:48] it was you ^_^ [00:18:53] ;) [00:18:55] the IP matches anyhow [00:19:09] oh, duh, unless you mean thanks for the hint [00:19:15] hehe [00:19:17] _> you're welcome [00:19:31] and how would i do that. I am new to MediaWiki. [00:22:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:22:37] about 2-3 pages down are several pages of stylings for .infobox [00:22:55] these give those tables their floatyness, their pretty borders, etc [00:24:39] then you just create a template that is a table with the infobox class, and has some parameters [00:24:49] {| class="infobox" [00:24:52] how do they stop a template from being subst: ? [00:25:04] ah :) [00:25:25] hello [00:25:39] dag aleichem [00:25:55] wired: you mean "This template must not be subst!" warnings when you do subst? [00:26:23] I want to know something about the checkuser function can anyone help me? [00:26:29] !ask DGNeree [00:26:29] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [00:26:35] Splarka, yup.. [00:26:50] but not the warning.. they say supposedly it can't be subst? [00:27:06] well, they can probably just return nullness on subst [00:27:11] Wiredtape, by "can't" they mean it will break horribly if you subst, not that the software will prohibit you from substing. [00:27:30] well, on our site it goes back 30 days. Is there a way to check IP-edits over a longer period? [00:27:44] ahh... ok.. [00:28:50] {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}:{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}||Hello World}} [00:28:53] I think is the classical way [00:29:24] Well where is common.css? [00:29:54] yours? or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css ? [00:30:08] mine [00:31:27] and how do I edit it? [00:31:30] Simetrical? [00:32:02] DGNeree, no, there's not. IP addresses are only stored in the recentchanges table. If it goes back no further, it will go back no further. [00:32:21] :( [00:32:30] ok, thank you [00:32:52] Area411: what is the URL to your wiki? [00:32:59] can anyone explain the UNIQ-QINU issue that appears when writing template tags? [00:33:05] it's killing me! [00:33:09] is there a way to enkarge the recentchangestable? [00:33:16] enlarge? [00:33:30] I found it, and there was nothing there. So I added the code from the URL you gave me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:33:31] Splarka, I'm not sure I get that if.. you're comparing {{FULLPAGENAME}} with subst:{{FULLPAGENAME}}? [00:33:59] DGNeree: $wgRCMaxAge [00:34:14] Wired: no.. [00:34:26] comparing {{FULLPAGENAME}} with {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}} [00:34:41] if the page is substed, that will return true, if it is not, it will return false [00:35:02] Splarka: :) [00:35:16] you can also, IIRC, {{subst:#ifeq to make that test vanish on subst [00:35:42] heh... now that's a nice trick :) [00:35:46] Area411: you copied the whole thing? [00:36:19] yes. so how do I use the infobox. Like what do I add to the page? [00:36:58] well [00:37:07] create a template, like Template:Infobox [00:37:28] and then paste into it something like this: [00:37:44] http://p.defau.lt/?odK9pK7zCsQOlnrnLLOGdA (the code at that URL, that is) [00:37:51] I am trying to add a width to the /first/ th, my syntax is: [00:37:51] ! style="width:200px;" ! Name!!Year!! [00:37:58] where'd I screw up? [00:38:06] Morbus: second ! should be | [00:38:21] thankee :) [00:38:26] I think styled th can only be one per line though [00:38:29] ! style | text [00:38:30] ! style | text [00:38:36] ok. [00:38:42] i'll keep that in mind for the future. [00:38:43] http://spyder.890m.com/wiki/index.php/Side_Bar [00:38:47] thats what I get. [00:38:57] *Splarka looks [00:39:47] Area411: move that to [[Template:Side_Bar]] [00:40:04] what do you mean move? [00:40:13] http://spyder.890m.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Movepage/Side_Bar [00:41:48] well, that works too [00:41:56] okay, now you can call it on a page... [00:42:47] okay. Then how do I get the sidebar to work? this is alot different that phpbb which i usually work with =] [00:42:56] {{Side Bar [00:42:56] |name = Some name [00:42:56] |image = Wiki.png [00:42:56] |caption = a wiki! [00:42:56] |data1 = foobarbaz [00:42:57] }} [00:43:17] also, be sure to reload your browser cache, as the new styles are probably not showing for you (the floating right, the borders, etc) [00:46:12] Thank you so much. [00:46:22] enjoy [00:46:29] Like I said I am new to this, and probably would have never figured that out =] [00:46:45] note that {{{parameter}}} means [00:46:49] |parameter = value [00:47:02] !templates [00:47:02] --mwbot-- For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions and HTML Tidy. [00:47:46] Much Respect [00:48:21] To All The People That Had Faith In The Following User [00:48:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisBradley [00:49:16] At 10 AM Today Chris Bradley signed a non DRM Record Deal. [00:50:08] details at http://www.myspace.com/noisecontrol [00:50:25] Is this relevant to MediaWiki? [00:50:34] yes [00:51:16] http://www.noisecontrolpublishing.com uses at least 7 MediaWikis. [00:52:04] Is there any way to make the boxes not currently being used, not appear? [00:52:23] Thank you all for your time and interest. [00:52:26] Area: yes, but then it gets more complex [00:53:09] Oh, well we don't want that. =] [00:53:15] for example, this simple straightforward 3 lines of code: [00:53:16] |- [00:53:16] ! The difficulty is: [00:53:16] | {{{data1}}} [00:53:29] which create a family... [00:54:05] *sour1 declares war against Parser class. [00:54:11] on what page. the tempalte:side_bar page? [00:54:19] would turn into this: http://p.defau.lt/?ToJpDFxp4rK8KnS6mqjMiw [00:54:25] yes [00:54:42] that would detect if {{{data1}}} was undefined, and if so, not show that row [00:55:00] an easier fix is to just change occurences of parameters, like {{{data1}}}, to {{{data1|}}} [00:55:08] that pipe means "if not defined, show this as default [00:55:35] {{{data1|you didn't define data1!}}} would work, or {{{data1|}}} returns blank, instead of ugly literal "{{{data1}}}" [00:55:57] alright. what do I do with http://p.defau.lt/?ToJpDFxp4rK8KnS6mqjMiw [00:56:49] Yeah you are right this is alot more confusing. =[ [00:57:21] well [00:57:34] first you'd have to create Template:! with contents | [00:57:39] exactly one pipe and no linefeeds [00:57:57] thank you, bye bye [00:57:59] this allows you to replace wikitable pipes with {{!}} [00:58:09] then, you'd have to install ParserFunctions [00:58:20] !parserfunctions [00:58:20] --mwbot-- "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [00:58:41] {{#if}} is the most basic (arguably) [00:58:50] {{#if:notblank|dothis|elsethis}} [00:59:10] you'll notice it uses pipes as delimiters, this means wikitable parts inside the parserfunction have to be escaped, via {{!}} [00:59:30] else #if would see || |- etc as delimiters [00:59:36] Hey, well I don't have time to do this now. I have some last minute things to do. Thank you so much for your help. [00:59:44] I am sorry to cut you off. [00:59:44] noprob [01:07:40] I'm having a heck of a time undoing a bit of spam vandalism on the page at http://yahoomediaplayer.wikia.com/index.php?title=How_To_Link&action=history [01:08:12] this spam vandal targetted the page at http://yahoomediaplayer.wikia.com/wiki/How_To_Link [01:08:40] which he somehow is redirecting to a spam page named Http://ifolder.ru/4940942 [01:08:56] which he is trying to redirect to, I think. or he wants to up that sites link count. [01:09:09] install the spam blacklist extension [01:09:11] anyhow, any suggestions on how to tidy this up would be wlecome. [01:09:13] ... [01:09:15] hm [01:09:22] right. [01:09:27] if blocking them is not working [01:09:36] wonder if I can do that at wikia. [01:09:52] I am a newbie in the wiki world. do you know how I find out whether it is installed already? [01:10:35] ask in #wikia for an addition to the spam blacklist [01:11:10] That doesn't prevent creation of titles, does it? [01:11:32] The vandal redirected a page to a title containing the URL. [01:11:36] no just prevents trying to link to specific websites [01:12:06] maybe the title creation was a side effect of bad syntax in trying to link to his external spam web site [01:13:17] Splarka: ty [01:14:11] Nope, the move form is separate from the edit form. [01:17:09] #wikia is just the ticket. thanks. [01:17:26] who woulda thunk ^_^ [01:18:30] irc is such an amazing thing. [01:18:38] I can't believe I lived without it. [01:18:52] 03(NEW) Special:Sitematrix doesn' t show the first header properly when no local message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12648 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b) [01:19:00] a long time ago. (-_-) [01:36:44] is there a way to specify that some wikitext shouldn't be preloaded? [01:36:51] when using preload... [01:38:41] the preload parser is just a single regex to remove and IIRC [01:39:17] $text = preg_replace( '~~', '', $text ); [01:39:17] return $text; [01:39:41] meaning that anything will go in.. no matter what i put.. ? [01:39:48] except tags [01:39:52] which is useful for things like.. [01:40:11] saving the preload template with {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}} [01:40:33] so that it doesn't actually subst in the fullpagename on the template, but does when they save it to another page using preload [01:40:46] if you have access to /includes/EditPage.php you can hack it up a bit [01:40:56] 03(mod) Don't require a $wgLogo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9716 (10N/A) [01:41:17] create an empty Template like Template:Empty and use preload=Template:Empty? [01:41:19] add a second preg_repace to remove *anything* [01:41:51] hmm.. ok, thanks [01:42:49] well, why would you wanna preload nothing? heh [01:43:56] dunno, simpling not using preload would have the same effect I would think [01:44:22] indeed [01:44:38] the faq template.. loads a small template that says {{blabla |q=put your question here}} I had categorized this template and now the categorization went along with it.. including tags... [01:44:48] ahh [01:44:53] right, you can't categorize preload templates [01:45:11] my solution is usually to put them as a subpage of Template:Preload [01:45:27] like Template:Preload/FAQ or Template:Preload/FooBar [01:45:33] and then Template:Preload has: [01:45:48] {{Special:Prefixindex/Template:Preload/}} [01:45:51] which shows them all [01:46:24] that's nice... you're just full of good ideas aren't you? :) [01:46:32] among other things [01:47:10] *Splarka winks [01:47:17] ;) [01:53:31] Hi, quick question, to enable extensions do I have to set an option somewher? I'm invluding some breadcrumb extension in my LocalSettings.php file and nothing is happening. [01:58:00] Sk1mble, I found an answer to your earlier questions.. [01:58:59] set $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true; in localsettings.php [02:00:51] Hehe, thanks Wiredtape, I did that earlier. What threw me was that it didn't change anything for my existing pages, only new ones. [02:01:00] Now I'm trying to get a breadcrumbing extension working, and that's failing. =( [02:01:26] ok so who here actually understands the Parser class? [02:01:37] I've added the require_once('filename'); line, but it doesn't seem to change anything. [02:01:42] it's one massive enigma [02:01:45] I dont know why it isn't working for you.. it works for me now.. [02:01:54] sour1, i've heard rumors that timsterling does :P [02:02:26] i'd donate to wikipedia if he can help haha [02:03:41] Including the breadcrumbing, Wiredtape? [02:04:23] It could be because I'm having to run a bit of an archaic version of MediaWiki... 5.5 I think it is? [02:05:52] aBSDaemon, I have your solution... [02:06:06] Sk1mble, 5.5? doesn't exist afaik.. [02:06:28] Cool wired tape [02:07:09] I just started working on it again here. I've been off fixing other projects. Seems like a lot of folks have been upgrading to PHP 5.2.x and it's breaking some older scripts. [02:07:41] aBSDaemon, it's because of positioning.. I used position:fixed.. so it works it just goes off screen.. play with the css a bit.. position it where you want it to go... [02:07:58] Sorry, 1.5.8. [02:08:52] Sk1mble, I don't know if that version has that option [02:09:12] Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for your help Wiredtape. I'll take a look at it here in a few minutes. [02:09:34] Well, it's HALF working, Wiredtape. Now if I use a /relative link it will realise that's what I'm doing. [02:09:47] Sk1mble why not upgrade? [02:09:54] But the 'breadcrumb' trail doesn't work. i.e. it shows page1/page2 etc. but that's not navigable. [02:11:30] anyway I gotta go, think about upgrading.. [02:11:31] 03tstarling * r29821 10/trunk/extensions/ExpandTemplates/ExpandTemplates_body.php: Show "generate XML" option only for new parser (bug 12636) [02:12:57] I can't due to MySQL and PHP versions on my server at the moment. [02:15:18] 03river * r29822 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (12 files in 2 dirs): new skin: modern [02:21:04] 03tstarling * r29823 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Respect $wgEnableParserCache [02:22:30] 03(FIXED) ExpandTemplates bugs when showing "Show XML parse tree" with old preprocessor parser - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12636 +comment (10tstarling) [02:36:30] 03(NEW) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (thomas) [02:47:43] 03tstarling * r29824 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: [02:47:43] * Strip fragments from $parser->mTitle to avoid having them show up in odd places, like section edit links. Potential fix for a bug which is reproducible on test.wikipedia.org but not locally. [02:47:43] * Identifiable heading for limit report [02:48:09] tstarling !!!!! [02:48:35] you can be my saviour [02:48:59] is that so? [02:49:27] Tim: that bug did exist on en.wp as well [02:49:39] yes, woudl you be willing enough to run me through Parser.php to convert wiki syntax to html retaining all tables etc?? [02:49:39] but I have no idea where I saw it [02:51:34] sour1: what exactly do you want to do? [02:52:11] Splarka: that seems to have fixed it anyway [02:52:11] 03river * r29825 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: styling for prefs form, external links [02:52:18] i have loaded the text database up, and i am trying to convert the wiki syntax to normal HTML with out using the entire mediawiki framework [02:52:36] {{#iferror:||sweet}} [02:53:02] I basically just want to grab the guts out of it and print, retaining all tables etc which i'll later customise [02:53:05] not sure where the fragment was coming from, but fragments have no place in the parser context title [02:53:45] sour1: tried printable=yes ? [02:54:05] or you don't mean a literal print? [02:54:46] sour1: there are lots of incomplete parsers around if you just want a partial transformation to HTML [02:55:17] is the text in question from wikipedia? [02:55:57] TimStarling yup i am using one now, it's just messy when it comes to boarders etc... [02:56:11] tables/links/images don't show up [02:56:50] are you grabbing the on-site css classes? [02:56:59] sour1: you mentioned a text database, is this your own text or is it from some large and ugly wiki like wikipedia? [02:57:16] I am just using the wikipedia database dump [02:57:29] the english wikipedia, not bengali or something? [02:57:41] yup english one [02:58:15] ok, so here's what you should do: crawl the website, and reformat the resulting HTML [02:58:56] because trying to get good results out of the english wikipedia's wikitext is a project that could take weeks [02:59:15] and there is already a perfectly good output format that is machine readable, i.e. HTML [02:59:19] *snicker from the gallery* [02:59:43] 03river * r29826 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Modern.php modern/print.css): print stylesheet [02:59:43] ok no problems i think i might just load up the database and install mediawiki and scrape it [03:00:02] yeah, good luck with that [03:00:06] I take it that mediawiki uses customisable templates? [03:00:09] 03(mod) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 (10thomas) [03:00:23] you'll need the most recent version of mediawiki, 20 extensions, about a million images (no dump available sorry) [03:00:36] and all of that has to be configured in exactly the right way [03:01:05] then you'll need about a month of computing time [03:01:13] to generate the HTML from the wikitext [03:01:16] arg last thing i wanna do is annoy wikipedia with thousands of requests [03:01:49] look, I'd rather have you annoy the servers with thousands of requests than have you annoy me with thousands of requests [03:02:17] we serve 50,000 requests per second, we're not going to notice an extra 1 or 2 from you [03:02:30] ok well thanks for your help and time anyway [03:02:39] I was just trying to do the right thing [03:02:51] sorry to be blunt [03:03:06] nah that's fine, atleast you're honnest :) [03:03:12] the XML dumps are ok for analysis of wikitext, but it's very difficult to produce presentation quality HTML from them [03:03:16] better than sitting around waiting even longer [03:03:43] ok no problems, i guess that explains why none of the parsers are complete :) [03:03:54] sourl: useful things to do when DDOSing wikipedia: action=render is (according to Domas) not as cache friendly as action=view, be sure to set a nice user agent that informs as to the purpose of the grabs and an email address you can be contacted at, and use maxlag [03:04:45] no problems i shall do that, last thing i want is to be firewalled :) [03:04:48] don't use action=render [03:04:58] just pick out the content bits from the full page [03:05:07] that's what I said, although obscurely [03:05:30] *amidaniel|away obscures Splarka [03:05:34] (see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maxlag_parameter for details on what that does) [03:05:37] ow! [03:06:00] Mwuhahahahahahaha [03:06:15] *Splarka comments out ami [03:06:24] Wheeee [03:06:26] *amidaniel|away is invisible [03:07:01] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10N/A) [03:07:04] *darkcode provides a amidaniel|away.patch to obscure the comment [03:07:41] *sour1 svn commits [03:07:53] O.o [03:07:57] *amidaniel|away doesn't know what he is now [03:08:27] 03(mod) SVG client side rendering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 (10brion) [03:08:53] [03:09:35] thanks for help guys [03:09:50] is there a difference between visibility:hidden and display:none? [03:10:08] They're spelled differently. [03:10:11] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10N/A) [03:10:43] flying: try it out [03:10:57] the visiblity:hidden; does not affect page spacing, the object still takes up the same space [03:11:39] but for absolute positioning, they are pretty much the same animal [03:21:16] 14(WFM) dumpBackup.php does not backup Main Page and other pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12593 +comment (10brion) [03:26:40] can anyone tell me where the wfGetDB function lives? [03:27:46] 14(INVALID) Don't require a $wgLogo - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9716 +comment (10brion) [03:29:28] stephenjudkins_: GlobalFunctions.php, but it's just a wrapper for LoadBalancer::getConnection() [03:29:39] TimStarling: awesome thanks. [03:35:58] 03(mod) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 (10brion) [03:41:10] flyingparchment: modern seems a bit odd on the edit script... edit box is pushed down below the end of the sidebar for me (ff 3.0b2) [03:41:30] hm. let me fiddle [03:42:42] that seems to happen with any element in the body that uses 'clear'.. [03:48:51] brion: http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=165 [03:48:59] I love that topic for some reason ;) [03:49:19] 03(mod) formatnum formats template parameters instead of the returning result - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12560 (10brion) [03:53:39] TimStarling: I love Novella, his blog is teh awesome [04:06:56] brion: fixed [04:07:01] 03river * r29827 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Modern.php modern/main.css): rearrange the content area so clear'd elements don't shift the navigation out of whack [04:07:18] woo [04:10:33] hello [04:10:42] from where does this modern skin come from ? http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=modern [04:11:27] meithal: from me [04:11:38] nice :) [04:13:20] AaronSchulz: I think that blog post is missing the point [04:13:52] flyingparchment: a new skin? [04:13:57] yes [04:14:17] is it related to this ? http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GPaumier-Visualidentity-WM2007-proceedings.pdf [04:14:26] there's obviously some very good evidence in favour of dualism, from the dualist point of view [04:14:36] the problem is that they're embarrassed to say it [04:14:39] meithal: i don't know what that is, so probably not [04:14:58] k [04:16:12] 03river * r29828 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: increase line-height slightly in navigation [04:16:15] flyingparchment: is that monobook-derived but not monobook-based? [04:16:32] Splarka: yes. i had to modify the template, my css-fu isn't strong enough to make monobook itself look like that [04:16:52] Splarka: it's close enough that most javascript/css modifications to monobook should work [04:16:57] it looks kinda like cologneblue, but without the annoying lack of things monobook scripts like [04:17:15] TimStarling: hmm? [04:17:20] I want to change the look of my top tabs....is there a way to make them rounded on the ends instead of squared off? [04:17:38] Logan: it won't work for all browsers but it is pretty easy in firefox [04:17:43] AaronSchulz: maybe it goes to show how well the secular movement has gone, if the primary grounds for dualism has to be secret [04:18:05] flyingparchment: I think I like it [04:18:09] Can anybody tell me how to make a back up of my mediawiki data. Im running it on mandriva. But need to port it to another mandriva server.?? [04:18:23] if you believe in christianity, you almost certainly believe in some form of dualism [04:18:32] Splarka: link or the css code? [04:18:41] or most of the other religions [04:19:14] rushadrenaline : a database export ? [04:19:46] you probably want -moz-border-radius-topleft and -moz-border-radius-topright [04:20:04] sec, testing [04:20:10] meithal Actually i have to port all the data to new server [04:20:10] what extension do people recommend for creating RSS feeds out of articles? [04:20:20] I mean, maybe you could believe that consciousness is rooted in the physical brain [04:20:22] I'm looking at WikiArticle right now... [04:20:34] but could you believe that prayer is similarly physical? [04:20:36] #p-cactions ul li, #p-cactions ul li a { -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; } [04:20:51] and the mediawiki and bugzilla is suposed to be running like before ,,,with all the previous data [04:21:09] meithal so how to go with it?? [04:22:34] Splarka: the -moz part is for the mozilla based browsers? [04:22:52] yes [04:23:01] google for other browsers and their limited support [04:23:28] beware, there could be some database structure changings between mediawiki versions, you should be careful about the version you reinstall (i guess that a copy/paste of the wiki directory is not advised) [04:23:56] there are some omni-browser methods but they require messy stacked 1px divs and such [04:24:35] Well, my internet time at the coffee shop just ended. So, that's my quitting time for the day [04:24:36] flyingparchment: hmm, some right images are showing to the left with white space [04:24:42] still, nice though :) [04:24:45] later all. Thanks for the help. [04:24:50] TimStarling: meh [04:25:53] AaronSchulz: i don't understand [04:26:03] (example?) [04:26:24] gah, my wiki is private, hmm [04:28:48] 03river * r29829 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: import image styling from monobook [04:28:49] AaronSchulz: try now [04:29:57] that worked :) [04:30:41] flyingparchment: can you get the plainlinks class in there? [04:32:13] AaronSchulz: anything else missing before i commit? [04:32:22] probably :) [04:32:25] not sure what [04:32:49] 03river * r29830 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: plainlinks [04:33:25] ah, categories and toc [04:34:28] could do with more paragraph spacing too [04:39:41] Splarka: for some reason the top left isn't curving [04:39:58] link? [04:40:58] 03(mod) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 (10thomas) [04:41:28] http://wiki.maquis.com/w/Main_Page [04:42:31] oop, heh [04:44:06] *Splarka checks your code [04:44:24] ahh [04:44:31] Logan_Andrews: you can't do // comments in css [04:44:37] /* */ only [04:44:42] ah [04:45:06] also, you need to change the radius of the #p-cactions ul li, or should anyways [04:45:13] looks kinda funky [04:45:29] #p-cactions ul li, #p-cactions ul li a { ... is the easiest way [04:48:06] kk [04:49:08] re [04:49:23] is there a way to speed up latex-output? [04:50:13] 03(NEW) Edit protection that expires without expiring move protection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12650 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (matthew.britton) [04:50:56] it seems images aren't cached and rebuilt on every article-access [04:53:49] Splarka: I take it you looked at the monobook then? [04:53:59] I peeked [04:54:02] I didn't inhale [04:54:51] LOL....should I get rid of those three parts above the hknapp comment? [04:54:56] that is really strange, now they are cached... seems i missed something [04:55:10] yes [04:55:11] is there a value one can configure on how the cache gets depricated? [04:55:15] or change them to /* */ [04:55:53] btw Logan: have you seen memoryalpha.org's black monobook? [04:56:09] no.... [05:04:55] Greetings, is there any kind of permission structure in mediawiki? is Sysop the only role that can be assigned? I just want to give someone the permission to protect/unprotect and edit protected pages [05:06:47] 03river * r29831 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: styling for toc, categories [05:06:47] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [05:07:07] GSquared: add [05:07:09] $wgGroupPermissions['usergroup']['protect'] = true; [05:07:11] to your LocalSettings.php - replace usergroup with the name of the group [05:07:59] How do I create a group? [05:08:04] also $wgGroupPermissions['usergroup']['editinterface'] = true; if you want them to be able to edit the MediaWiki interface pages [05:08:53] just give it some rights and it will be available for granting [05:09:08] Fantastic! :) thanks a bunch, sorry I didnt see the help file first [05:21:07] 03(mod) Templates within comment borders are being expanded when using subst: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8332 (10danny_b) [05:37:23] 03(FIXED) Templates within comment borders are being expanded when using subst: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8332 +comment (10danny_b) [05:40:11] 14(DUP) Special:Sitematrix doesn' t show the first header properly when no local message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12648 +comment (10brion) [05:40:12] 03(mod) Some extension' s title is broken if the translated title contain space - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12634 +comment (10brion) [05:41:19] 03(NEW) Links to other projects appear on the Whatlinkshere list of the same project , if the link is in an imagemap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12651 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (apper) [05:49:13] 03brion * r29832 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix_body.php: * (bug 12634) Bad extension messages loading [05:49:49] 03(FIXED) Some extension' s title is broken if the translated title contain space - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12634 +comment (10brion) [06:00:45] 03(NEW) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (tstarling) [06:03:37] 03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652 (10tstarling) [06:03:40] 03(mod) Invalid heading markup made valid by template expansion, causes ghost section - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9156 (10tstarling) [06:03:45] 03(mod) Wrong section from section edit button (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4899 (10tstarling) [06:03:46] 03(mod) Section edit links generated from templates are wrong - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7083 (10tstarling) [06:03:50] 03(mod) h1 Tag causes saved page to have missing data (section editing) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7713 (10tstarling) [06:03:55] 03(mod) Unclosed transclusion eats next section in rendering, but not in section editing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2375 (10tstarling) [06:03:58] 03(mod) Section edit links for transcluded templates are not affected by < noinclude> or - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6563 (10tstarling) [06:04:01] 03(mod) Template section edit issues: ghost sections and lost sections - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11911 (10tstarling) [06:04:05] 03(mod) HTML headings point to nonexistent sections when transcluded - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4034 (10tstarling) [06:04:36] *MZMcBride wonders if Tim used tabs there [06:06:01] 03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652 (10tstarling) [06:06:05] 03(mod) Double-parse in parser function results - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678 (10tstarling) [06:06:10] 03(mod) Templates within comment borders are being expanded when using subst: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8332 (10tstarling) [06:06:50] you just put a space-separated list of bug numbers in the "blocks" box, and it edits all the pages for you [06:07:25] ah [06:08:26] 03brion * r29833 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ImageMap_body.php: * (bug 12651) Don't record special:, media:, and interwiki links in ImageMap in the internal link tables [06:08:37] 03(FIXED) Links to other projects appear on the Whatlinkshere list of the same project , if the link is in an imagemap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12651 +comment (10brion) [06:09:56] 03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652 (10danny_b) [06:16:29] 03brion * r29834 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: [06:16:29] Don't register internal links for specials or interwikis on #ifexist lookup. [06:16:29] They all return false anyway, but this avoids bogus link table entries. [06:16:29] (Similar issue as ImageMap bug 12651) [06:16:43] 03(mod) Links to other projects appear on the Whatlinkshere list of the same project , if the link is in an imagemap - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12651 (10brion) [06:20:37] 03grondin * r29835 10/trunk/extensions/MultiUpload/SpecialMultipleUpload.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2008-01-16 06:15 UTC) [06:22:59] 03(mod) SVG client side rendering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 +comment (10dan_the_man) [06:23:33] => Jan. 15, 2001: The "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" is invented by Thomas Edison and Malcolm Jamal-Warner. Happy 15th Birthday, Wikipedia [06:38:02] 03(mod) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 +comment (10dan_the_man) [06:53:35] Can anyone tell me how/where to turn on/add tools to mediawiki to keep my wiki from being over ran by spam bots?? [06:54:17] kury: install the SpamBlacklist and ConfirmEdit extensions [06:56:14] 03grondin * r29836 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHsb.php: Localisation updates for extensions from Betawiki (2008-01-16 06:55 UTC) [06:57:15] flyingparchment, thx these were exactly what I was looking for.. [07:00:23] Greetings, is there a relativly easy way to insert into a page internal links to say the 10 most recently edited/created articles? [07:02:49] link or transclusion? [07:03:00] to link: [[Special:Newpages]] [07:03:08] to generate a list: {{Special:Newpages/10}} [07:03:55] is there a way to include it in a "pretty" way? [07:04:08] as in just page names, no extra info, or not easily [07:04:15] you could style it after the fact, but not really [07:04:21] unless you can do it with DPL [07:04:23] hehe, fair enough :) [07:04:26] DPL? [07:04:26] !dynamicpagelist [07:04:26] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "dynamicpagelist". You might try: !dpl [07:04:29] !dpl [07:04:29] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [07:14:44] thanks :) [07:16:20] 14(INVALID) Non-admins can move a page with a nbsp in its title over a page without the nbsp which is a redirect to itself but with no history - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12643 +comment (10brion) [07:19:05] <_wooz> lo [07:25:56] 14(DUP) Bot-created articles appear in Special:Recentchanges by default - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12633 +comment (10brion) [07:25:59] 03(mod) Bot flag ignored in recent changes. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12611 +comment (10brion) [07:35:53] 03(mod) SVG client side rendering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 (10j.chetwynd) [07:42:36] 03(mod) SVG client side rendering - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3593 (10j.chetwynd) [07:43:39] hello to all [07:46:39] 03tstarling * r29837 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CoreParserFunctions.php: #tag changes as per #wikimedia-tech committee [07:49:31] 03river * r29838 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: adjust footer padding and left portlet header size [08:11:00] 03(FIXED) Strip out sections and expand parser functions during substitution - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10111 +comment (10tstarling) [08:17:15] 14(DUP) Broken rendering with missing template parameters in templates called inside {{#if :}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12488 +comment (10tstarling) [08:17:20] 03(mod) Double-parse in parser function results - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5678 +comment (10tstarling) [08:20:54] 03(WONTFIX) Unfinished parsing of templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12578 +comment (10tstarling) [08:24:44] hum, which source code highlighting extension is used on wikipedia ? [08:27:35] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [08:28:38] Splarka: ah, thanks! [08:28:49] np [08:28:52] it is nice and buggy [08:32:12] and doesn't support wikitext and xhtml [08:40:16] 03kim * r29839 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (App.php DefaultDataset.i18n.php SpecialLanguages.i18n.php): i18n support siebrand style [09:07:25] 03siebrand * r29840 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/DefaultDataset.i18n.php: [09:07:25] * prettify message list [09:07:25] * fix some XHTML issues [09:07:25] * remove empty message arrays [09:12:10] 03kim * r29841 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (3 files in 2 dirs): simplify i18n [09:38:43] 03siebrand * r29842 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: [09:38:43] * prettify message list [09:38:43] * fix some XHTML issues [10:07:08] hello, I need to upload .ppt (Ms powerpoint) to mediawiki. I'va added $wgFileExtensions[] = 'ppt'; in LocalSettings, but mw still complain about corrupted or zero sized file. What did I miss ? [10:09:13] 03(mod) Templates used on this page: and the usage of nested variable templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2922 +comment (10tstarling) [10:13:57] wolog: propbably the mime type detection is going wrong. someone reported that all ms-office files get reported as ms-word. look into the docs, and also at the talk page there: [10:13:58] !mime [10:13:58] --mwbot-- For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection > [10:19:09] hmm, stupid question: how to activate Special:Import? [10:20:14] never mind. The answer is: type it correctly. [10:20:20] :P [10:25:45] Duesentrieb: my problem is not is mw in fact, I just founs that linux mime tool gives an empty string for these .ppt files [10:26:31] s/is/in. I'va made a wrapper script that replace this empty line by "application/octet-stream", and it works [10:28:12] thanks for pointing me in the mime direction. Maybe the standard error mw error message may tell a word about this [10:32:27] <_Mister> How to call [10:32:27] <_Mister> in [10:32:33] <_Mister> admin panel ? [10:33:48] <_Mister> I will not find something in mediawiki [10:33:49] there is no admin panel [10:34:02] to access the admin panel, type 'vi LocalSettings.php' [10:34:19] site configuration is don in the configuration file. on-site administrative tasks are performed directly on the pages in question [10:34:55] <_Mister> how then to manage her ? [10:35:05] so it seems that x.setAttribute('for', 'xyz') doesn't work in IE [10:35:13] is that a known issue? any workaround? [10:35:35] flyingparchment: use attribute nodes? [10:35:42] x.for = 'xyz'? [10:35:45] _Mister: "manage" what? [10:37:39] hi! I converted the wikipedia sql dump using xml2sql and inserted page.sql and text.sql into the database but when I try to access any article it says: "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named XXX." [10:38:13] flyingparchment: no, more a=document.createAttribute("foo"); a.value = "xyz"; like x.setAttributeNode(a); [10:38:52] <_Mister> Sorry for my English, how by an admin site ? where all of it to do? [10:38:59] (hm, that "like" somehow wondered off) [10:39:07] 03river * r29843 10/trunk/phase3/skins/common/protect.js: use label.htmlFor=... instead of label.setAttribute('for', ...): the former works in IE7, Firefox, Safari and Opera, while the latter does not work in IE7 [10:39:20] _Mister: what "all"? [10:39:29] _Mister: what do you want to do? [10:40:36] <_Mister> how to put blog, module? [10:40:51] if you want a blog, install wordpress [10:40:54] mediawiki is a wiki [10:43:12] <_Mister> well as on a site section Downloads [10:44:23] hm? just make a page, and call it "Downloads"? [10:45:35] <_Mister> in the site section "site" "support" "downloads" [10:46:38] <_Mister> how to do multi language ? me only English [10:47:32] go to your user preferences. select the language you like [10:47:43] multilingual *content* so not easily supported. [10:47:47] can be done, though [10:49:36] so i'm thinking of adding support for mail encryption to mediawiki... a user can upload his key, and the wiki will encrypt (and/or sign) their mail. any reason not to do that? [10:49:57] 03siebrand * r29844 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: Adding messages found in the MediaWiki namespace of http://www.omegawiki.org [10:50:33] flyingparchment: *sign*? [10:50:44] flyingparchment: sign which mail when, with what key? [10:50:50] <_Mister> because to do sections ? [10:50:55] Duesentrieb: well, that shouldn't be hard to do if it can encrypt. it would sign with an admin-provided key [10:51:32] would it also encrypt "request new password" emails? [10:51:53] i'm not sure, really it should but i can see the problem with that [10:52:00] flyingparchment: oh, with the wiki's key. yea. i though of signing my mail to you with my key. which would require my proivate key on the server, and my passphrase in a POST request... [10:52:01] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10tony1) [10:52:12] Duesentrieb: yes, not that :) [10:52:48] hmm [10:52:50] sounds good [10:53:04] what would the problem be with encrypting new password requests? [10:53:06] will you allow the Special:Emailuser form to accept encrypted data? [10:53:18] Duesentrieb: if you lose your key, you lose your wiki account [10:53:22] (if the wiki sets a public key) [10:53:24] (not necessarily a bad thing, but...) [10:53:26] Splarka: hm? what prevents you now from putting encrypted data in there? [10:53:30] Splarka: it already does? [10:53:41] just encrypt your mail with pgp on the command line and paste it in [10:53:45] no... I mean [10:53:52] flyingparchment: if you lose your key and your wiki password at the same time yes. [10:53:55] you encrypt the data with the wiki's public key, POST it... [10:54:09] why would you want to do that? [10:54:10] the wiki decodes it, re-encrypts it with the user's public key [10:54:13] oh, and the wiki decrypts it, encryptes it for the recipient, etc?... [10:54:17] well [10:54:24] why wouldn't you want two directional security? [10:54:31] hm, seems a bit clunky. what for? https exists [10:54:32] this way, neither user has to give out their email addy [10:54:41] well, i am of the opinion that people should run their wikis on https when that's a concern [10:54:41] *Splarka shrugs [10:54:41] huh [10:54:42] features [10:55:00] Splarka: giving out the email address is completely unrelated, imho [10:55:20] Duesentrieb: PGP and S/MIME public keys both include email addresses, i think [10:55:26] Splarka: mediawiki puts your mail address into the reply-to field when you wiki-mail someone [10:55:27] well, giving out public keys then [10:55:29] so you can't give someone your key without giving them your address [10:55:40] it does? that's stupid :) [10:55:48] ahh, well, the recipient then, doesn't have to give away any info [10:55:53] no, it's not. how would i reply otehrwise? [10:56:02] ...neither an email or public key [10:56:14] Splarka: the recipient doesn't anyway. only to mediawiki. not to the sender [10:56:15] Duesentrieb: talk page [10:56:25] and can still get email encrypted to their key secure bidirectionally, etc etc [10:56:30] flyingparchment: bah. [10:56:31] and not all wikis have https [10:56:33] i like it. [10:56:38] *Splarka snickers [10:56:47] or Special:Emailuser [10:56:52] could be optional though ("give my email address to üpeople i send mail to") [10:57:01] that'd be nice [10:57:05] flyingparchment: its a good way to prevent abuse though [10:57:06] or just a checkbox on that page [10:57:15] yea. with a per-.user default [10:57:20] whatever [10:58:15] me -> lunch [10:58:17] should there be an option to let a user publish his public key? if so, how/where would the key be displayed? [10:58:49] Special:Userkey/Duesentrieb [10:58:55] includable [10:59:15] actually, the wiki could sign a cert associating the wiki account with that key [10:59:42] which would effectively do whati do manually here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Duesentrieb/ID [10:59:44] that's not a bad idea [11:00:20] hm, that combined with openid... wikipedia could become a major online identity provider :) [11:00:48] ok. food now. [11:03:37] 03siebrand * r29845 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: Remove double space from message ID [11:17:33] anyone here know a bit about where the numbers used in MediaWiki:Sitestatstext are pulled from, or how they are generated by the system [11:19:32] having an argument related to the page vs article issue, and we're trying to figure out what the system considers /minimal "stub" pages/ in the article half [11:20:04] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialStatistics.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain [11:20:25] ah, beautiful [11:20:49] $wgLang->formatNum( $total ), then is $1 [11:20:51] etc [11:21:32] I'm back again seeking help with getting ShortURLs to work in MediaWiki 1.11. I'm using the instructions as provided by the link given by the bot. The rewrite is working in that the URL is being rewritten, but instead of the page being loaded, I get a 404 error saying "The requested URL /wiki/Main_Page was not found on this server." The relevant parts of my current config are here... [11:21:33] ...http://rafb.net/p/Cm30fW43.html The Wiki is installed in /space/mediawiki-1.11, and the webserver root is off on another part of the filesystem. What obvious thing am I missing here? [11:33:16] maybe I'm putting the .htaccess file in the wrong location? Right now it is in the webserver htdocs root, not in the mediawiki directory. Is this the right place? [11:37:11] Splarka: any idea where that "SiteStats" object is defined at? i think what i'm looking for is in the code for the member functions ::articles() and ::pages() [11:38:32] uberfuzzy: the answer to your question is: a countable article is one with at least one internal link, is not a redirect, and is in a content namespace (usually the main namespace) [11:39:58] yes, i get that part, what i'm trying to figure out is why all the examples mention /minimal "stub" pages/ [11:40:11] no reason [11:40:20] just wikipedia jargon [11:40:26] are they just grouping that type in there because they are not likely to pass the requirements for "article" [11:40:51] just what magnus thought wouldn't be counted when he wrote that phrase 5 years ago [11:40:58] 6 years, I suppose [11:41:06] fair enough [11:41:19] in the days when minimal stub pages were a one-sentence definition with no formatting [11:42:43] 03(NEW) Honour protection status in Special:Import - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12653 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:43:05] if a wiki is using some sort of {{stub}} template with a link to somewhere, say, Category:Stubs, doesnt that make that page no longer a stub to the counter code? [11:43:27] well, that's an interesting question [11:43:40] in general I believe the answer is no, it searches for the text "[[" [11:43:56] unless it's changed recently [11:44:04] comes down to wether that search is done pre or post template expand [11:44:05] the relevant code is in Article.php [11:44:38] no, the question is whether the search is done at all, or if it just uses the link list which the parser outputs [11:44:44] because the link list contains links from templates [11:45:18] the link list also contains links that dont even exist if someone used #ifexist, but thats another issue for another day :) [11:45:51] 03(FIXED) kshwiki has outdated language/message data - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12479 +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:46:50] they are registered as links "for your protection" [11:47:12] if they are created, they go and invalidate the cache of the page that is using the #ifexist, thereby updating it the next time it is viewed [11:47:35] that is a good thing 2.0 [11:47:45] uberfuzzy: [11:47:46] $token = $wgUseCommaCount ? ',' : '[['; [11:47:46] return [11:47:46] $this->mTitle->isContentPage() [11:47:46] && !$this->isRedirect( $text ) [11:47:50] && in_string( $token, $text ); [11:48:06] but there's a recount script that uses the pagelinks table [11:48:48] splarka: yeah, but it causes problems when the pagename its checking for is built using a template var, and that var is blank, you end up with "Image:Race .jpg ‎(25,490 links)" [11:49:03] what about $wgContentNamespaces ... [11:49:17] mmm, mediawiki exceptions to rules [11:49:19] I take it by the silence I am on my own here. I have ShortURLs working fine in a MediaWiki 1.6 install that is running on a different server.... just no success with 1.11 [11:49:36] ah, thanks Tim [11:50:15] hi! I converted the wikipedia sql dump using xml2sql and inserted page.sql and text.sql into the database but when I try to access any article it says: "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named XXX." has anyone experience with importing wikipedia database dumps? [11:51:50] there's an xml2sql? [12:00:20] thanks everyone for your help resolving that [12:10:52] TimStarling, yes: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Xml2sql [12:12:21] well since it doesn't seem to work I used importDump.php but it failed on my downloaded dump (and was horribly slow) [12:12:33] failed how? [12:12:42] you can also try mwdumper, it's faster [12:12:47] (requires java though) [12:13:14] it's written by brion, so it's more likely to work [12:13:21] I'd say that makes it worthwhile installing java [12:13:26] it also has a simple xml-to-sql mode, and it's official, so i'm not sure why that xml2sql thingy exists. [12:14:23] mwdumper is official? [12:14:53] Hello [12:14:56] hmmm [12:15:07] I read it outputs for database in 1.4 or 1.5 schemes? [12:15:15] Does anyone know how i can set a "taxobox" in mediawiki? [12:15:25] who doesn't have java installed anyway? [12:16:04] does mwdumper only output in 1.5 compatible format? [12:16:26] mwdumper has options that allow format to be 1.4 or 1.5 compatible [12:16:33] josch: 1.4 and 1.5 are the two major schema flavours. [12:16:50] josch: the difference between 1.5 and 1.11 is rather consmetic, and not relevant for importing page content. [12:17:06] you need to run a php script to update link tables afterwaqrds anyway [12:17:39] there are a few changes in the revision table, maybe it's time for a new version [12:18:04] rev_len [12:18:10] maybe. can't hurt to run upgrade.php after generating a db with mwdumper [12:18:25] in addition to rebuildAll.php [12:19:11] so I run mwdumper and then what php scripts? [12:20:07] I also noticed with xml2sql that there were to new columns in the revision table rendering this tool obsolete [12:38:22] okay I will try this out but what php script do I have to run after the import? [12:47:58] josch: maintenance/update.php [12:49:32] what's the system message for the user registration success page? i need to put a note on there about checking spam filters. [12:50:05] look in [[Special:Allmessages]] :P [12:50:09] yeah, i am :) [12:50:46] something like [[Mediawiki:createdaccount]]i think [12:51:00] oh. i was looking under user. [12:51:33] hrm. well, that does exist, but it's a button/phrase string, not a full sentence... hrms. [12:51:45] ah. confirmemail_oncreate, i think. [12:53:35] Morbus, [[MediaWiki:Accountcreatedtext]] [12:54:09] that's better than confirmemail_oncreate? [12:54:25] my registration emails are getting stuck in spam filters. i wanted to put a "argh, check your lame spam filters" thingy. [12:57:03] 03(ASSIGNED) SVGs should show metadata information on ImagePage.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12649 +comment (10thomas) [12:58:02] [[MediaWiki:Confirmemail pending]] :P [13:01:56] is there anyway for /me/ to change someone's password (via the db? special sysop page, etc.)? [13:02:32] this person isn't getting any mail from the server (getting killed via spam filters on the server, it looks like), thus, he can't forget password [13:03:45] simplest thing to do is just change his email address to yours, and then forward him the password reminder, then set the email back [13:03:52] you can do that in any SQL administration tool [13:04:23] but generating a new salted password is so much fun... [13:04:25] sure. i use "mysql > " ;) [13:04:39] Splarka: it's not MD5'd or anything? [13:04:52] depends on $wgPasswordSalt [13:04:58] ah. [13:05:11] md5(userid '-' md5(password)) [13:05:21] whatever that is in php ^^ [13:05:48] you could do that from SQL too... [13:11:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions#Unified_Login [13:11:59] *Warpath pokes TimStarling O_O [13:16:35] Warpath: looks like a hoax to me [13:16:48] I don't know why we'd want to wait until April [13:16:53] *Warpath nods [13:18:34] hey i use extension contactpage, but i cant see the email of the sender, where ist the problem? [13:19:36] ask the maintainer of that extension [13:20:26] okay [13:21:52] TimStarling: Does that mean everything is ready to go? [13:23:07] brion has been procrastinating on it for about 5 years, and I haven't seen any sign that he's stopped yet [13:23:32] The merge test on test.wp looks good to me :) [13:23:45] yeah, nothing wrong with it, except that it's been ignored for months [13:46:05] 03(mod) Provide some method to blank messages like MediaWiki:Excontent - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12647 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:49:01] 03(CLOSED) dumpBackup.php does not backup Main Page and other pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12593 +comment (10ajstadlin) [13:50:52] 03(mod) It should be possible to enter expiry dates for edit and move protection separately - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12650 summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:52:15] TimStarling, could it be that http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Importing_a_Wikipedia_database_dump_into_MediaWiki never mentioned to use update.php? [13:52:27] hello all [13:52:39] someone speak french ? [13:52:46] speack [13:53:20] update.php also complains about this: [13:53:20] No superuser credentials could be found. Please provide the details [13:53:20] of a user with appropriate permissions to update the database. See [13:53:20] AdminSettings.sample for more details. [13:53:25] what to do? [13:53:42] create AdminSettings.php? [13:54:44] -_- [13:54:50] okay dumb me [13:54:56] I already did the trick [13:54:57] thx [13:55:16] but why is nowhere mentioned that I have to use update.php? [13:55:22] do I have to run anything else? [13:55:47] importDump.php [13:55:53] it finished but the error is still there: [13:55:57] The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "xxx". [13:56:05] we have got a problem with the Common.js (http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_MediaWiki:Common.js) it seems not load the last version when a user is not logged [13:56:41] pm27: yes, that's a squid caching [13:57:06] VasilievVV how is the lifetime ? [13:57:30] TimStarling: what's the lifetime of squid cache? [13:58:39] more than 3 days VasilievVV ?? [14:00:03] pm27: no, I think [14:00:19] VasilievVV http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A:Common.js&action=history because on ar is the same problem [14:01:29] and the last modification is on 14 January [14:08:12] VasilievVV the update is good because when we are logging we can see them [14:14:01] is there a way I can rollback al the changes after a given date/time? [14:14:25] my wiki is getting hit with waves of gibberish inserts [14:28:06] !spam | centosian [14:28:06] --mwbot-- centosian: For more information about combating and handling spam in MediaWiki, see . [14:29:48] thanks Duesentrieb . I'm already using the SpamBlacklist and restricting the editing to logged-in users. [14:30:23] I'll try using captcha (sigh) too [14:30:43] that page shpud also have info about wgSpamRegex. and about the nuke extension, which shouold be close to what you want [14:31:25] nothin there about the nuke extension [14:31:39] ah I see [14:32:42] will nuke only delete pages, or rollback changes too? [14:34:30] i think it just deleted pages [14:35:02] a generall "unpatch" tool, taking criteria like time and user, would be nice. but we don't have it [14:36:10] bah [14:40:54] howdy. i move my site to a new server, therefor i want to set my wiki to READ ONLY mode for a day or two so i can make a dump and import it to the new server, then disable all user edits. what's the easiest way? e.g. i'm the only sysop [14:41:10] VasilievVV the same problem are on fr.wikisource.org [14:45:09] hm...how exactly would I create a setup where there is only one MW source folder (like /mw/ for example), but multiple wikis where each wiki has its own subdomain and database? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family isn't being too helpful, sadly :/ [14:46:51] found it case closed. Manual:$wgGroupPermissions [14:48:50] <_Mister> how to add the new articles ? [14:50:22] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10l8qjvx002) [14:57:39] hoi! it's me again! I nearly got the trick how to import the enormous amount of data and it seems to work quite good but on some pages there seems to be a lot of junk on top of it: here is the html source of such a page as an example: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d49254ed0 [15:13:01] I now know why [15:13:52] in the wikitext there are several templates - how do I acquire all the templates I need? [15:14:05] hi. what's the easiest wat to put my wiki in read only mode for a while? i have checked http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3A%24wgGroupPermissions but gives me a blank page [15:14:06] josch: that "junk" is code for the parserfunctions extensiopn [15:14:10] !extensions | josch [15:14:10] --mwbot-- josch: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [15:14:17] errn ot what i meant. [15:14:23] !templates | josh [15:14:23] --mwbot-- josh: For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions and HTML Tidy. [15:14:29] that. [15:15:06] hello all, is there a tool to batch import word docs, creating wiki pages from the documents? [15:15:28] Duesentrieb, the template naming seems to be language specific - does this matter? [15:15:47] MONK3000: if you got a blank page, then you made a syntax error. anyway, to make the wiki *completely* readonly, you can use $wgReadOnly = "some reason or other"; [15:16:00] josch: what? [15:16:15] josch: the templates are called whatever you call them. they do not exist unless oyu created (or import) them. [15:16:39] josch: the templates should be included in the wikipedia dump, but you need th ParserFunctions extension for them to work. [15:16:44] that is used extensively on wikipedia [15:16:45] ah kk [15:16:52] will try that now - thx! [15:17:11] do I need something beside those parser funktions to get a working local wikipedia? [15:17:31] thanks duesentrieb, i knew there must be an easier way than to set all rights for all groups seperatly [15:17:53] !credit | josch [15:17:53] --mwbot-- josch: NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors! [15:18:36] MONK3000: complete readonly is mainly intended for maintenance, when you have to avoid people writing to the database. but you can use it for other stuff, of course [15:19:37] Duesentrieb, if I want to give the dump to friends - what info has to be preserved? do I need to pack a list of all the authors and rivisions of every article into it? [15:19:59] or is it enough to mention LGPL on every page and linking to the original? [15:20:06] GFDL, not LGPL. [15:20:10] ah yes [15:20:15] of course [15:20:23] and each page should link to the respective page and page history on wikipedia, and mention that it comes from there [15:20:53] strickly speaking, the requirements of GFDL are much harder. but linking to the page history is generally accepted as attribution [15:21:43] okay thanks again! [15:21:44] josch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content [15:22:41] I got mediawiki from svn - why are the php files for the extension not in the extension dir? [15:23:44] josch: because they are extensions, that is, not part of the core. the extension dir is just the place where extensions go. several extensions are maintained in wikimedia svn too - they are in the extensions *module* not in the extension dir in the phase3 module. [15:24:12] josch: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ [15:24:18] 03aaron * r29846 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.php: Fix broken count cache [15:25:13] wtf!! that are so many!! how do I know which one are used by wikipedia? [15:27:03] josch: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia [15:27:43] ah only 40 of them ^^ [15:28:20] josch: that are only the ones in the official svn. the extension matrix lists, oh, 700 or so. [15:28:37] see [15:29:53] I assume I only need http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia in my offline dump? [15:33:46] ah great ParserFunctions.php from svn works! [15:38:06] just to be sure... how can i disable proxyblocker? with $wgBlockOpenProxies = false; in LocalSettings.php? [15:39:47] VasilievVV, the url you gave me: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Extensions_used_on_Wikimedia <= this is not a list of extensions used on en.wikipedia.org is it? [15:40:02] josch: it is [15:40:20] But you may also look at http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version [15:40:27] VasilievVV, but parserfunction is not mentioned there but obviously used [15:40:54] josch: yep, use Special:Version [15:41:20] aah! [15:41:24] VasilievVV, thx [15:42:40] josch: many extensions do not influence wikitext syntax. you only need the ones that do. [15:43:11] josch: off-hand, that would be parserfunctions, categorytree, syntaxhighlight_geshi, poem, wikihiero [15:43:25] maybe there are more. but parserfunctions is my far the most prominent one [15:43:40] oh, and make sure you have formula rendering working [15:43:43] !texvc [15:43:43] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Math [15:49:54] okay tex is activated but I read that the formulas are only rendered when they change - is that right? [15:51:53] if tehy have been cached, yes. i think they should render automatically when you look at a page that uses them [15:52:32] try any math article [15:54:28] I just tested the importing stuff on small wikipedias and I think there is no math in it - now importing the german one but this oviously takes some time ^^ [16:11:01] 03siebrand * r29847 10/trunk/phase3/ (18 files in 3 dirs): [16:11:01] Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-16 16:44 CET) [16:11:01] * added Gagauz/gag [16:15:17] 03siebrand * r29848 10/trunk/extensions/ (34 files in 32 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-16 16:44 CET) [16:17:57] 03(mod) users should be able to see / review all the contributions they made; including the deleted ones - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12524 (10AlexSm) [16:18:53] *AlexSm wants the users to see at least _the_list_ of their deleted edits, I think it's a very reasonable request [16:23:42] hello [16:32:42] AlexSm: i think that's reasonable. should be simple to add that exception to Spezial:DeletedContributions. however, it's generally better to open a fresh report for different issues - you can always just mention the old one. [16:32:47] anyway, gotta fix dinner [16:33:11] hmm... wait - not sure that it is so somple. the way special pages check access privileges is a bit convoluted. [16:33:17] but i'm sure it's possible somehow. [16:37:29] 03(mod) users should be able to see / review all the contributions they made; including the deleted ones - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12524 +comment (10axel9891) [16:40:02] 03siebrand * r29849 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Rename $wgLanguageManagerMessages, and $wgDataSearchMessages to $messages to facilitate localisation [17:01:54] AaronSchulz: could you please look again at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12524 (deleted contibs) and confirm your decision? [17:02:18] then I would know if I want to open a new bug (just for a list) [17:16:45] 03siebrand * r29850 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ (OmegaWiki/SpecialDatasearch.php SpecialLanguages.php): Move require_once of i18n files inside method [17:24:48] where to download 1:12alpha from? O_O [17:25:35] when I go to say title:Privacy_policy and make a page by that name, the link disappears, how can I make a privacy policy page ? [17:25:59] !svn | Warpath [17:25:59] --mwbot-- Warpath: Subversion is a version control software that allows users to download the very latest version of a branch without having to wait for someone to get around to packaging it. Advantages to using Subversion include the latest version, vastly simplified updating, the ability to roll back an upgrade, the ability to create and submit patches. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion for more information. [17:26:16] semantic, what do you mean, "the link disappears"? [17:26:17] :DD [17:26:26] could have just given me the link :P [17:26:43] Simetrical: in the main page the link to "privacy policy" doesn't lead to a page [17:27:16] semantic, do you have a link? [17:27:19] To the wiki? [17:27:43] 03siebrand * r29851 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove plain link, add as 'ow_editing_policy_url'. Set to 'ignored' in Translate. [17:27:58] nopes, I typed "title:Privacy_policy" in the search bar and edited that page :| [17:28:18] do I need to redirect it to some page ? [17:28:39] I mean, can you give me a link to your wiki so I can look at the problem myself? [17:28:39] <_Mister> how to add the new articles ? [17:28:57] _Mister, enter the article name in the search bar, hit Go, and you'll get a link allowing you to create the new page. [17:28:57] Simetrical: oh yes sure, mind a notice ? [17:29:02] semantic, go ahead. [17:29:12] _Mister, or, you can make a link to the page in an existing page, and follow the link. [17:29:35] semantic, oh, dear. [17:29:40] Your site name has a # in it. [17:29:41] That's bad. [17:29:51] It should have been rejected by the configuration script. [17:30:05] I suggest you rename it to remove the #. [17:30:08] hrmm I need it for the channel name (the site is about a channel heh) [17:30:25] Well, a # in a URL has a special meaning. [17:30:32] is there a work around like &gb#foo ? [17:30:38] If your site name contains it, links including the site name won't work correctly. [17:30:55] No. There's no support for unusual characters in the site name. [17:30:59] Article names can't contain # either. [17:31:14] hrmm, so the only way is to rename the site name ? [17:31:15] It's not possible to actually display the character in a URL, and we like clean URLs. [17:31:19] Yeah, pretty much. [17:31:27] Unless you want to do a fair amount of hacking. [17:31:32] (of the MediaWiki source code) [17:31:42] naah, I am not that jeneous hehe [17:32:16] ok if I change the site name it should work fine with the title:Privacy_policy approach, right ? [17:32:43] Yes. [17:32:54] ok cool [17:33:16] <_Mister> how to add admina ? [17:34:01] _Mister, the first user is an administrator and bureaucrat. Bureaucrats can make other users admins (or bureaucrats) by going to the page Special:Userrights. [17:35:12] Simetrical: I just need to change the site name in LocalSettings.php right and nothing else is required ? [17:35:31] semantic, I think so. If not, I don't know offhand how to change it (other than reinstalling). [17:35:37] But I think it will work, yes. [17:36:06] hrmm I can't reinstall it, I already loaded some pages [17:40:08] <_Mister> how to do that on main page was much the article ? [17:41:07] <_Mister> Simetrical please help [17:41:50] _Mister, I don't understand your question. [17:42:22] semantic, you can reinstall over the existing database, and it will be kept. Did changing it in LocalSettings.php work? [17:42:51] not done it yet, I don't have the site passwd with me now hehe [17:43:13] <_Mister> On main page for me schas 1 "Edit" how to do that there to add anymore ? [17:43:16] that will work because I remeber the time I first set it, it was "foo" and then I renamed it to "#foo" [17:44:07] Simetrical: other than that does this #foo as site name has any disadvantages ? [17:44:38] _Mister, I don't understand what you're saying. [17:45:02] semantic, oh, wait, so it wasn't the config script that allowed you to use #? [17:45:09] <_Mister> On main page for me now 1 "Edit" how to do that there to add anymore ? 1 article ... [17:45:10] Maybe I don't have to fix it, then . . . [17:45:24] Simetrical: no the config script was fine with # [17:45:29] _Mister, I'm sorry, I really don't understand. [17:46:32] <_Mister> is it possible to throw a picture ? [17:49:55] _Mister, "throw"? [17:50:16] I think he means upload [17:50:44] !images [17:50:44] --mwbot-- For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see . For more technical details about image uploads, see and . Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads). [17:51:08] 03simetrical * r29852 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES config/index.php): Improve sanity check on site name a bit: ban '#' (number sign). There are undoubtedly several other characters that should be checked for, e.g., ':'. [17:52:02] <_Mister> http://sky.aldems.lv/screen.jpg [17:52:10] <_Mister> Simetrical [17:53:16] _Mister, you can add more text by clicking the button "edit" at the top of the screen. "Pravit" or whatever it says (I can't really read Cyrillic). [17:54:17] _Mister: "Аллах" с двумя "л" пишется :) [17:54:34] <_Mister> yes .. but I am necessary not Edit and the new article [18:17:31] <_Mister> how to change the name main page ? [18:18:32] 03(NEW) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654 major; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:23:31] _Mister: MediaWiki:Mainpag [18:23:34] *page [18:24:58] <_Mister> it where ? [18:25:40] mainpage is a name of system message [18:26:02] To edit system messages, edit MediaWiki:MessageName page [18:26:06] 03siebrand * r29857 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: Add datasearch message [18:28:04] 03vasilievvv * r29858 10/trunk/phase3/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [18:28:04] * Support redirects in image namespace [18:28:04] Now doesn't require schema change [18:30:38] extensions/ certainly is getting annoyingly large [18:30:45] takes 5 minutes just to co it [18:31:12] 03vasilievvv * r29859 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/File.php: Forgot to commit this file [18:31:59] I think a large fraction of that is a couple of extensions with lots of images. [18:32:04] wikihiero, at least. [18:32:10] As I recall that took forever to co. [18:33:24] What about splitting off MessageFunctions.php and TimeFunctions.php from GlobalFunctions.php? [18:34:04] <_Mister> and where system message ? [18:34:18] Maybe make a separate extensionImages subtree [18:34:48] _Mister: http://damage.lv/index.php/MediaWiki:Mainpage [18:34:50] Dashiva, :P [18:34:56] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10N/A) [18:35:00] labas [18:37:11] <_Mister> thank )) [18:37:13] 03(mod) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [18:39:54] 03(FIXED) Redirects (multiple names) for image inclusions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4470 +comment (10vasilvv) [18:42:14] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10voyagerfan5761) [18:43:22] 03kim * r29860 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/OmegaWiki/SpecialCopy.php: SpecialCopy now actually unlisted :-P [18:45:27] 03(mod) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654 +comment (10Platonides) [18:45:41] 03siebrand * r29861 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Update because of Wikidata changes [18:46:39] Simetrical: for renameuser: isn't it possible to force to create the title in the NS_USER namespace ? [18:47:57] 03siebrand * r29862 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: Remove the message group, too. [18:49:54] 03vasilievvv * r29863 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Fix call to non-static method [18:51:32] Hola, Alguien conoce como aadir codigo HTML a un documento de wikimedia?, Thanks [18:51:56] 03(mod) Template links on article preview page should be in alphanumeric ( alphabetic) order - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12644 (10greg.ebdon) [18:52:06] 03(WONTFIX) Limit page moves onto titles with over 1, 000 deleted revisions to bureaucrats - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12630 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [18:55:36] brion: could you have time at this hour to check the simple patch for image cache limit? [18:59:34] how can I append HTML code to a wikimedia document? [19:00:42] shion__007: a page ? [19:01:14] 03(NEW) Cracker can get any user email address. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12655 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (xarak) [19:02:33] it's an script (javascript) not a HTML page [19:03:19] shion__007: you want to add javascript to a HTML page ? [19:04:55] no [19:05:34] I want to add a javascript code into wikimedia article [19:06:56] seems that it recognise as a sipmple text [19:07:14] only some tags are allowed in wikitext, you can add it to MediaWiki:Common.js and then it will be aviable in all pages [19:07:18] not flags ok, thanks [19:11:53] hi all, could anybody help me how works edit and adding in mediawiki or where i should look. [19:14:09] das6745: what u are looking for? [19:15:37] i'm lookin how works revision algorytm [19:17:08] old versions are gziped and stored in the database. [19:18:14] in archive table? [19:19:22] yes, should be the one. [19:20:39] thx, and it should use some kind of transactions, am i right? [19:20:51] archive table is for deleted revisions [19:23:11] 03(NEW) It should be possible to stack permissions for pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12656 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (dan_the_man) [19:25:50] so all revisions are stored in the same table, right? (sry, i'm a n00b in mediawiki) [19:26:35] revisions are in the ... revision table [19:28:17] 03aaron * r29864 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/Language/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.en.php: Tweak [19:28:57] das6745: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout [19:30:03] yeah, i know, thx. [19:32:47] and where i can find in php src how works editing... how to prevent ambiguous (when 2 users try to edit the same row exactlyin the same time) [19:33:55] includes/EditPage.php for UI and 2-3 other things and includes/Articles.php for most of database access [19:34:10] *Article.php [19:36:12] thx, this is it [19:49:37] 03(mod) Oversight of file histories including images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8196 summary; +comment (10lar) [19:51:18] 03rotem * r29865 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Update for he. [19:54:19] 14(DUP) Lithuanian Wiktionary project need DynamicPageList extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12625 +comment (10jeluf) [19:54:23] 03(mod) Meta-Ticket: DynamicPageList requests (DPL) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12423 +comment (10jeluf) [19:55:14] 03(mod) Meta-Ticket: DynamicPageList requests (DPL) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12423 (10jeluf) [19:59:33] 14(INVALID) Re-enable upload on Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12642 +comment (10jeluf) [20:10:31] 03(mod) Re-enable upload on Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12642 (10robin_1273) [20:11:40] 03(FIXED) Create patroller group on Ukrainian Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12601 +comment (10jeluf) [20:23:57] JeLuF: do you please want to fix http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727 ? [20:31:40] n8 [20:34:27] 1more thing, how mediawiki deals when more than 1 user try to edit the same text? [20:36:47] it tries to merge the two versions [20:39:11] Is there any way to insert phpBB3 into a MediaWiki page? [20:39:26] I don't need to have the same members, though. [20:44:31] ialex, so nobody knows which edit will be saved, right? [20:45:30] das6745: it the two users don't edit the same lines, it shouldn't have any conflict [20:46:21] das6745: either both edits will be saved, or the first person to submit will be saved and the latter will get an edit conflict [20:59:19] 03huji * r29866 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Added Persian translations [20:59:39] 03brion * r29867 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ExternalEdit.php: Add an explicit Cache-control: no-cache header on external edit; possible reports that our caches are aggressively caching these, though they shouldn't in an ideal world. [21:04:41] Hello. Is there a good guide for using CSS in wiki pages? [21:05:13] 03(FIXED) robots.txt -- exclude ro:VfD - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12546 +comment (10jeluf) [21:06:32] 03(mod) users should be able to see / review all the contributions they made; including the deleted ones - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12524 (10JSchulz_4587) [21:06:36] *AaronSchulz sighs [21:06:52] brion: hello [21:07:06] !css | drunkmuppet [21:07:06] --mwbot-- drunkmuppet: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [21:07:55] thankyou. [21:08:14] cool. they changed the usage of mwbot! I am able to use the worlddominationtool now! [21:08:25] you are welcome drunkmuppet... [21:10:29] What do I need to do to use disambiguation links on my wiki? I looked at template:otheruses4, seems to use template:dablink, which may use the css class dablink. thoughts? [21:14:54] Mannerisky: just make your own simple template. [21:15:29] that would be the easy way I suppose. any idea what that would take? [21:15:45] small text, italicized, and indented? [21:17:06] how do I delete images I uploaded? [21:18:45] gongoputch: ask a sysop to go to the image page and click 'delete' [21:19:06] gongoputch: you mean the actual files? [21:23:01] ah, got it [21:23:04] thanks [21:27:28] does anyone know where the css tags for mw-headline are defined? [21:27:40] they don't appear to be in common.css or any main.css [21:29:44] frieze: there is no css styling applied to that class by defaul [21:29:45] t [21:29:49] ahh [21:29:59] so my problem is probably in h2 somewhere [21:30:03] lovely [21:30:08] yes, most of the skins do h1, h2, h3... individually [21:30:12] thanks flyingparchment [21:31:39] if(justJoined('Splarka')) document.write('Hello, Splarka! I still suck at js, but who blames a guy for trying ^_^'); [21:32:02] btw, can't (for a variety of stupid and boring reasons) show the mediawiki I am working on, but is there some reason that IE would have my

headings crowd out boxes floated on the right causing them to be moved below? Or to be clearer, this is happening and I was wondering if you've seen a fix before [21:32:55] frieze: I'm guessing it's because of the right-aligned editsection link [21:33:27] no idea how to fix it though :) [21:34:27] Does anyone here have a moment to help with a php error report I got with my mediawiki? [21:34:35] !ask [21:34:35] --mwbot-- Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [21:35:09] I was working on it yesterday, but I got on this morning and now I'm getting an internal error. [21:35:37] well, best to describe it :) [21:35:41] Original exception: exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred [21:35:42] Query: SELECT value,exptime FROM `mw_objectcache` WHERE keyname='kpnave_wikidb-mw_:messages-hash' [21:35:42] Function: MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doquery [21:35:42] Error: 1017 Can't find file: 'mw_objectcache' (errno: 2) (localhost) [21:35:42] ' in /home/kpnave/public_html/wiki/includes/Database.php:824 [21:35:49] Skizzerz: that's actually a really good thought, but sadly it doesn't seem to be the case. thanks for the thought though [21:37:41] Can't find file? [21:37:52] Kira: that means the table (or the table's file) got deleted... [21:38:34] actually, a file orror for a missing table sounds like MyISAM, which i thought wasn't used by mediawiki?... [21:38:38] Thats hard. [21:39:04] Kira: have you checked if the table is in fact in the database? the the prefix (mw_) consistent with other tables? does the rest look ok? [21:39:17] Skizzerz: #mediawiki-scripts for JS abuse [21:39:34] Duesentrieb: wouldn't it complain smthg. about a missing table then? [21:39:37] Kira: mw_objectcache is just a cache, it can simply be recreated - but it would still scare me :P [21:39:41] Splarka: that was just a hi message :P [21:39:52] PunkRock: myisam maps tables directly to files, iirc [21:40:40] frieze: there is a FAQ on enwp about bunched up edit links [21:40:41] I am not sure. i thought independent of that it always speaks of tables. [21:41:40] i remember some oddnes with regad to that [21:41:41] hrm. perror 1017 tells: unknown error. [21:41:45] but i don't remember hte details. [21:41:48] Splarka: enwp? [21:42:07] frieze: en.wikipedia.org [21:42:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_fix_bunched-up_edit_links [21:42:22] Duesentrieb: I do not doubt that you are wrong. indeed i never heard of it, which means: i never heard of it.. ;) [21:42:28] erm. [21:42:36] replace wrong with right .... [21:42:58] Okay I went and checked the database (I'm a bit of a newbie still to it), but all the files look fine and the mw_objectchache file is there. [21:43:54] by what command on a page to add the article yet ? [21:44:28] (maybe Ryuk is playing in your db) [21:44:44] Well, it's listed as being there, but when I go to open the table it gives me an error, saying it can't find the file. [21:45:16] Kira: which tool do you use the view the tables? [21:45:25] phpMyAdmin [21:45:33] Kira: so the file went missing. BAD. [21:45:52] though i still wonder if this can happen with innodb... is it not innodb? [21:46:50] PunkRock: just delete the datafile of your favorite table and try it out :) [21:47:04] I have found something in connection to ISAM. Solution there was to change to MyISAM [21:47:17] Innodb? <--- Is a newb to databases and php ^_^ [21:47:37] it's a storage angine used by mysql [21:48:14] mysql has primarily two options: innodb and myisam. mediawiki uses innodb for almost everything. but afaik, a file not found error can't happen with innodb. so i'm confused. [21:48:47] Did you use ISAM in older MW Versions? [21:49:43] not sure. i don't think so. [21:49:56] maybe for some stuff in 1.4 and earlier. [21:50:05] Is there anyone that I can just make a new copy of the table that's missing? [21:50:13] *anyway, not anyone [21:50:23] Kira: it's just a cache. create it empty. [21:50:36] Kira: the sql statements for that are in maintenance/tables.sql [21:50:46] you need to add the table prefix (mw_ in your case) [21:51:11] Kira: do investigate *why* that happened, though. if you are using shared hosting, reporting this! [21:51:15] err, report [21:51:34] I see. [21:52:45] Kira: you may have to drop the table before re-creating it [21:54:21] Alright. Thanks for the help. I'm gonna go see if this fixes it...*crosses fingers* [21:54:42] Kira: before messing with the database, make a backup [21:54:45] !backup [21:54:45] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [21:55:06] 03brion * r29868 10/trunk/phase3/images/tmp/: Please keep site-specific temporary directories out of svn -- they're supposed to be locally created, so they have proper permissions and they need to not interfere with live behavior [21:55:12] by what command on a page to add the article yet ? [21:56:38] Can a page have more than one section enclosed in tags? [21:59:01] Kyrin: yes, afaik [21:59:23] okay, thanks [21:59:27] just was doing some planning [22:08:18] 03(mod) Special:Brokenredirects detects not broken redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12555 (10aleator_wiki) [22:08:52] 03(FIXED) Special:Brokenredirects detects not broken redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12555 (10aleator_wiki) [22:11:59] Alright. I had a backup from 3 days ago and I imported it and that fixed it, and we didn't lose to much. But my webhost has MyISAM. Should I make sure to backup my database every few days in case this happens again? [22:12:13] couldn't hurt [22:12:43] Alright. Thank you guys so much for all the help. I'm glad this was brought to my attention now and not later. Thanks guys. ^_^ [22:16:11] Hi [22:16:31] I'm trying to know how to create private pages with mediawiki [22:19:54] !secrets | Goldjiann [22:19:54] --mwbot-- Goldjiann: MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [22:20:20] :) [22:20:34] I'm not pro-private pages neither [22:21:16] I was trying to help a friend with a mediawiki based working group [22:21:27] I'll copy him your answer [22:21:33] I also found this page [22:21:42] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights_management [22:24:13] ialex, the name already is created in the User namespace. [22:24:20] Actually, though, wait a minute, why isn't it valid? [22:24:22] *Simetrical experiments [22:24:46] Simetrical: it's like templates [22:25:48] Simetrical: it uses Title::newFromText, no ? [22:26:12] $oldusername = Title::newFromText( $wgRequest->getText( 'oldusername' ), NS_USER ); [22:27:38] Simetrical: then if mediawiki recognise a prefix in the first parameter, it will override NS_USER [22:28:21] Hmm, that makes sense. [22:28:29] try with Title::makeTitleSafe [22:32:07] The only difference between those two functions seems to be the default namespace behavior . . . and entity substitution, and evidently caching. [22:32:14] Seems repetitive. [22:32:54] or $oldusername = Title::newFromText( 'User:' . $wgRequest->getText( 'oldusername' ) ); [22:35:01] 03simetrical * r29869 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Fix up last commit: comment was in wrong place, and just *visiting* the page doesn't deserve an error message. [22:37:12] re [22:38:14] 03brion * r29870 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php filerepo/LocalRepo.php): (log message trimmed) [22:38:14] Put image redirects behind $wgFileRedirects config option for now (defaulting off). [22:38:14] Several issues off the top of my head: [22:38:14] * Redirect behavior doesn't match between the image and the page. [22:38:14] * Upload form doesn't appear to pick up conflicts with existing redirects; this [22:38:15] leads to confusion when after the upload you see a page showing the [22:38:17] already-present redirect target, but the newly uploaded file is what you get [22:44:24] so, are we ever going to be able to selectively delete pages? It might have been useful if Scientizzle had had it... [22:46:44] Tango42: that's not what i meant [22:46:55] 03simetrical * r29871 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Better heuristic: check for token. This way you can still provide links of the form Special:Renameuser?oldusername=Foo&newusername=Bar to prefill the form without getting an error message. [22:47:03] we need bureaucrats to be able to protect certain pages and be able to delete certain pages [22:47:14] and in fact, probably edit certain pages as well [22:47:34] and what about rogue bureaucrats? create a supercrat group? it never ends ^_^ [22:48:08] no, but en.wiki has 1500 sysops and only about a dozen bureaucrats [22:48:18] statistics favor a common sense approach [22:48:25] 03(mod) Users whose names are invalid titles cannot be renamed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12654 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [22:48:31] and it's not like we'd have to create a new user level or anything [22:50:49] What's the question here? [22:52:28] Bureaucrats are more than capable of doing dumb things too :) [22:52:46] ami: some sort of 'do dumb thing' right group [22:52:52] like deleting the sandbox [22:54:40] amidaniel: yes, but there are far fewer bureaucrats; easier to hunt down and kill :) [22:55:13] then you need a 'do really dumb things' right group as well and a 'do really really dumb things' group, etc. [22:56:06] When you get right down to it though, all it really takes is one real dumb ass with shell access :) [22:56:38] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['dodumbthings'] = true; [22:56:45] $wgGroupPermissions['steward']['doreallydumbthings'] = true; [22:56:51] $wgGroupPermissions['founder']['doreallyreallydumbthings'] = true; [22:56:55] it's more of an en.wiki / large wiki thing though [22:57:18] it's much harder to cause a full meltdown on a wiki that has a total of 1500 revisions [22:57:26] $wgGroupPermissions['god']['doreallyreallyreallyreallydumbthings'] = true; [22:57:52] dark: that is already covered [22:57:56] Well, frankly, the rev check on deleting / undeleting should have been in place a long time ago [22:58:00] It's really easy to do [22:58:04] under ['god']['createhumans'] [22:58:14] I did something along these lines for undelete but never got it fixed / committed [22:58:21] Splarka: no such association [23:00:22] Is there any way to transclude a page that is not a template? [23:01:02] n/m, i got it ;) [23:01:44] *amidaniel is sad he doesn't have powerz in #wikimedia-tech :( [23:01:59] it would be better to check for risky actions, limit how long any action can take or fix the problem so its no longer risky or long [23:02:39] darkcode: Easier said then done :) [23:02:58] I mean, we could stick an EXPLAIN check before every query -- I'm sure that wouldn't slow things down at all ... [23:03:12] amidaniel: your efforts to paginate Undelete were valiant [23:03:23] MZMcBride: Hehe :) [23:03:24] or just a COUNT() on potential affected rows as well [23:03:33] MZMcBride: Should I try to finish that up while all this is going on? [23:03:40] It's only like 15 more minutes of work [23:03:43] Just never got round to it [23:03:46] it's not like the extra burden of admin deletion would be too much of a load issue [23:04:00] i still remember brion's revert... is it only 15 minutes? [23:04:07] set_time_limit() amidaniel might be a start [23:04:13] Yah [23:04:13] slakr, COUNT(*) that retrieves a few hundred thousand rows still takes seconds. It's pointless, EXPLAIN is better. [23:04:25] Just a couple of escaping issue and db-compatibility probs [23:04:38] What I had worked ... but only on a straight PostreSQL install [23:04:46] Simetrical: true, but the COUNT() couldbe done beforehand i.e., when loading the "deleteify this page" page [23:04:49] ah [23:05:10] I'M ALREADY WRITING THIS GUYS [23:05:10] that way, you set up paging of multiple revisions at the same time [23:05:16] *brion stabs everyone [23:05:21] brion: ignore me... sorry :P [23:05:59] *slakr bakes brownies for brion =) [23:06:09] *Splarka bleeds [23:06:13] *Brownout stabs slakr [23:06:15] *slakr stitches Splarka [23:06:19] *slakr bleeds too [23:06:32] *MZMcBride was smart and wore armor [23:06:47] armor is always key when using IRC [23:07:16] Doesn't help for the eye slits. [23:07:22] oooo nagios says life is better [23:08:14] *Skizzerz used tube magic to make him intangible, and thus not affected [23:09:06] *amidaniel gives brion some cookies [23:09:28] *PunkRock put's on his wardrobe and wizard hat. [23:09:34] whee [23:09:41] brion: Anything I can do to help? [23:09:57] (Not that I'm all that much help, but am available to be a brion slave if you need me :D) [23:10:51] *slakr serves brion the fresh brownies, too [23:11:01] >:-| [23:11:11] amidaniel, it's committed. [23:11:15] amidaniel: will you wear the princess leia metal bikini? :P [23:11:31] Simetrical: Oh? [23:11:36] *amidaniel goes to peek at the commit logs [23:11:40] I'm looking over the commit mail now. [23:11:41] slakr: If that's what it takes! [23:11:51] *PunkRock poinst with the wand to amidaniel AND! [23:11:55] *slakr chuckles [23:12:02] you are now a real beautiful girl [23:12:09] Aha, $wgDeleteRevisionsLimit and 'bigdelete' .. fun :) [23:13:40] ooh, what that do? [23:13:56] Skizzerz: prevents people from deleting pages with lots of revisions [23:14:21] ah [23:14:45] did he use 'bigdelete' ? [23:14:55] *Skizzerz meanders off to SVN [23:14:57] *Splarka claims copyright infri... oh nm, is stabbed [23:16:27] *Skizzerz now meanders off to Help:User_rights to add it in [23:20:04] testing... [23:22:09] 03(NEW) I18n of submit buttons in Special:Nuke - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12657 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (lejonel) [23:33:01] ate [23:46:22] 03brion * r29872 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php DefaultSettings.php): [23:46:22] Quick hack in: $wgDeleteRevisionsLimit and 'bigdelete' permission. [23:46:22] Should keep us from the couple-of-times-yearly "oops someone deleted the sandbox" fun. [23:46:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Server-kitty.jpg XD XD [23:46:59] lol [23:47:18] yeah it was scientizzle :P{ [23:47:47] he tried to delete a simple virus [23:47:53] LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT :S [23:48:25] oo! I got a love letter! *cutpastes the crappy code into his loveletter.sh* [23:48:58] oh, n/m... vbscript doesn't run on ubuntu :P [23:49:38] i saved it for future use :P [23:49:53] and my anti-virus Norton got crazy XD XD [23:50:03] hehe [23:50:21] Amazing that a scripting language that's webdistributable would allow you to modify the windows registry ... [23:50:26] *amidaniel shakes his fist at Bill Gates [23:50:47] CIA-40 lagged 38 minutes there [23:50:59] Maybe someone deleted his sandbox too [23:51:03] yeah now I'm starting to hate that Billy guy :| [23:51:39] someone should put the above image on brion 's userpage :P [23:51:47] not all bill's fault [23:51:54] get popular, get hated: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001362.html [23:52:09] I wager this is in response to those damn "Hi, I'm a MAC" commercials [23:52:20] Yeah, true, he doesn't have much to do with the company any more :) [23:53:15] *Warpath awaits MajorHard :P [23:53:33] Eww [23:54:04] Splarka: one program vs. 1000s? [23:54:11] Hey folks, I was wondering if there's a FAQ on how to setup a single MediaWiki site with multiple subdomains, kinda like how Wikipedia has various sub domains for each language, but instead each sub domain would be for a different major topic and may incorporate a different skin [23:54:19] 1 so far [23:54:45] Jouva: sounds like the setup wikia.com has [23:54:54] *Warpath nods [23:55:00] individual sites can have different skins, on their several thousand subdomains [23:55:15] Splarka: Yes but can I login using one name on any of them? [23:55:20] and single login (shared user db/prefs, rather) [23:55:23] Ok [23:55:31] Yes kinda like that then [23:55:41] you should pokle #wikia for any techs/devs [23:55:53] well, that is, if you want help on what they do specifically [23:56:18] !farm [23:56:18] --mwbot-- To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see [23:57:31] Oh I see with the callingurl example, that might be what I want [23:58:01] Thanks I'll look into that [23:58:25] good moaning [23:59:03] heh... i love the smileys on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_techniques:_how-to_mini-guides