[00:00:08] <Simetrical>	Yeah, they're kind of cute.
[00:00:20] <Simetrical>	Not sure how effective they are, though.
[00:01:17] <darkcode>	just someone's attempt to figure out what works and what doesn't because they said they knew nothing about how to do short urls and thought the page was a mess
[00:03:38] <brion>	getUserPermissionsErrorsInternal kind of scares me
[00:06:54] <neurotope>	I am having a problem where my new instal of mediawiki is not recognising the png mime type... what should i be looking as to solve this
[00:07:02] <Morbus>	Simetrical: I run a farm of 3 wikis on a single install.
[00:07:41] <Morbus>	scenario 3, on that URL you gave. 
[00:07:50] <Morbus>	i chose it because I'm a Drupal dev, and do the same thing in Drupal already ;)
[00:08:29] <brion>	neurotope: there should be some hints for that in the faq, as i recall
[00:09:30] <Jouva>	Also out of curiosity, is there a way to have MediaWiki allow an administrator to make an edit to a piece of history or remove an existing history item. Like for example, if somebody had a wiki with example pieces of code and the example code included a database connection and the person posting it completely forgot that they put in sensitive information like a username and password to connect to a database
[00:10:06] <darkcode>	oversight
[00:10:31] <darkcode>	!mw Extension:Oversight
[00:10:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Extension%3AOversight&go=Go
[00:10:42] <MZMcBride>	Jouva: or [hiderevisions]
[00:10:49] <MZMcBride>	see DefaultSettings.php
[00:10:58] <MZMcBride>	'cause oversight is icky
[00:11:05] <Simetrical>	Jouva, you can just delete the page and undelete all but the bad revisions.  This will allow anyone with undelete permissions to view the info, however.
[00:11:30] <Jouva>	Why is oversight icky?
[00:11:42] <Jouva>	hiderevisions sounds like it hides ALL revisions
[00:12:01] <MZMcBride>	requires php modifications, as i recall
[00:12:02] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29873 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[00:12:02] <CIA-40>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[00:12:02] <CIA-40>	* added Kotava/avk
[00:12:10] <MZMcBride>	Jouva: it doesn't
[00:12:19] <MZMcBride>	if gives the ability to hiderevisions to a user
[00:12:36] <Jouva>	MZ: yes but hide them all still, correct?
[00:13:07] <Jouva>	or specific revisions
[00:14:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652  (10tstarling)
[00:14:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10tstarling)
[00:14:48] <neurotope>	just to make sure im not doing something monumentaly stupid....
[00:15:21] <neurotope>	i should but $wgLoadFileinfoExtension = true; into the localsettings.php that is in the base dir of the install???
[00:15:32] <neurotope>	but -> put
[00:16:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Misreaded Translate link in Special:Version on testwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12658 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (alefzet)
[00:17:59] <Asga>	hi there...
[00:19:14] <Asga>	does anybody know if there is a graphical database layout plan? 
[00:19:56] <Asga>	i mean 
[00:20:17] <Asga>	like an overview with tables and fields 
[00:20:36] <neurotope>	like a noramly html table or a UML diagram?
[00:21:13] <darkcode>	or normal html tables that can be sorted?
[00:21:26] <Simetrical>	Asga, Nick Jenkins made one a while ago.  You can hunt around for that.
[00:21:27] <Asga>	yeah i meant like an UML Diagramm
[00:21:39] <Asga>	thanks Simetrical 
[00:22:29] <Asga>	The article text/data is stored as wikicode isn't it
[00:22:32] <Asga>	`+ ?
[00:23:23] <darkcode>	neurotope have you tried "$wgFileExtensions += array( 'png' );" ?
[00:23:30] <neurotope>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UML
[00:23:42] <neurotope>	its letting me upload them now, just calling them text
[00:24:16] <neurotope>	the webserver and my computer can both tell its a png... so i know its internal mime type is fine
[00:24:54] <neurotope>	but when i do the [[image:thisthing.png]] i get a link every time (even if i do spell it right)
[00:26:18] <neurotope>	darkcode - is that what you mean?
[00:26:22] <Simetrical>	Does += work with arrays?
[00:26:30] <neurotope>	in php it does
[00:26:31] <Simetrical>	The general way to do that is $wgFileExtensions []= 'png';
[00:26:48] <Simetrical>	Typically PHP programmers don't use + for array merges much, that I've noticed.
[00:27:04] <Jouva>	I wouldn't think about doing that
[00:27:11] <Jouva>	$wgFileExtensions []= 'png';  is more common anyway
[00:27:12] <Asga>	Simetrical: Did you mean this one? http://www.ipbwiki.com/Image:Mediawiki-database-schema.png ?
[00:27:17] <darkcode>	ya well I used array in case neurotope wants to add other types in the future
[00:27:49] <Simetrical>	Asga, that looks about right.
[00:28:02] <darkcode>	so it can be += array( 'png', 'blah', 'buz', 'foo', 'etc' );
[00:28:09] <Asga>	so thats why i'm so confused looking at my phpadmin ;)
[00:28:51] <Asga>	So thanks :) hope that will help me understanding everything
[00:29:15] <neurotope>	what i have that is like that is $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'doc', 'xls', 'mpp', 'pdf');
[00:29:32] <neurotope>	and $wgLoadFileinfoExtension = true;
[00:29:33] <CIA-40>	03brion * r29874 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Article.php languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): Slap some prettier warnings on too-big deletions.
[00:31:06] <TimStarling>	darkcode: no it can't
[00:31:32] <TimStarling>	the array + operator doesn't work like array_merge()
[00:31:49] <Simetrical>	I figured there was some reason nobody used it.
[00:32:09] <Simetrical>	Of course any array operation in PHP is going to be a mess, because of the bright idea of having one data type for arrays and dictionaries.
[00:32:22] <TimStarling>	if elements in the first array have the same key as elements in the second array, the elements in the second array are discarded
[00:32:23] <darkcode>	TimStarling I was being lazy http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions  needs fixed
[00:32:39] <TimStarling>	so array(1,2,3) + array(4,5,6) = array(1,2,3)
[00:32:57] <TimStarling>	I use the array + operator whenever this is the behaviour I want
[00:33:54] <Simetrical>	darkcode, fixed.
[00:33:59] <neurotope>	so anything other than the 2 lines i listed that i should try, to help mediawiki recognize png?
[00:35:57] <Simetrical>	What's the exact error message you're getting?
[00:36:06] <darkcode>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection
[00:36:16] <neurotope>	I try and put an image inline and it gives me a link
[00:36:33] <neurotope>	but if i use the exact same syntax with a jpg it works fine
[00:36:50] <neurotope>	and if i look at the information on the file page it tells me its a text file
[00:37:03] <neurotope>	but if i go to view it the browser can tell its a png
[00:37:03] <Simetrical>	Sounds like bad MIME type detection.
[00:37:20] <Morbus>	neurotope: you may want to check that your server actually /has/ the fileinfo pecl installed.
[00:37:24] <Morbus>	mine didn't, for example.
[00:37:25] <Simetrical>	I think you can disable MIME type detection entirely.  Or you could maybe configure it to use something reliable like file -bi.
[00:37:37] <Simetrical>	Look at darkcode's link, hopefully it will be enlightening.
[00:37:37] <Morbus>	i ran into the exact same problem you have, only for FLV files. 
[00:38:06] <neurotope>	$wgLoadFileinfoExtension = true; should be loading fileinfo right?
[00:38:18] <Morbus>	no.
[00:38:28] <Morbus>	that just tells mediawiki to load fileinfo /early/. it doesn't tell PHP anything.
[00:38:38] <Morbus>	if PHP isn't compiled with fileinfo PECL module, then that does nothing.
[00:40:24] <neurotope>	how would i double check that (the hosting company told me they installed it when i requested that)
[00:40:39] <Morbus>	make a test.php with <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[00:40:44] <Morbus>	view it in your browser and search for fileinfo.
[00:40:56] <Morbus>	or pecl. should show up under one of them.
[00:41:06] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29875 10/trunk/extensions/ (52 files in 52 dirs): 
[00:41:06] <CIA-40>	Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[00:41:06] <CIA-40>	* added Kotava/avk
[00:41:06] <CIA-40>	* various formatting fixes
[00:44:49] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29876 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[00:54:46] <kju>	hi
[00:55:28] <kju>	is there a way to restrict which changes are included into the rss-feed of the recent changes? background: i restrict access to pages in a specific namespace to specific users but changes to those pages appear in the rss feed readable for everyone which is not intended.
[00:55:45] <kju>	in a earlier version i patched the code but i would have to do this again after every upgrade
[00:55:56] <Simetrical>	kju, how do you restrict access to the namespace?  An extension?
[00:56:01] <Simetrical>	!secrets | kju 
[00:56:01] --mwbot--	kju: MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[00:56:03] <kju>	Simetrical: yes.
[00:56:15] <Simetrical>	kju, which extension?  Maybe best to complain to the extension author.
[00:56:27] <kju>	can a extension modify what is included in the rss?
[00:56:37] <Simetrical>	Probably.  If not, a hook could be added.
[00:56:51] <Simetrical>	Lockdown, for instance, is maintained by Duesentrieb, who has commit access and could add any hooks he needed.
[00:56:58] <kju>	it seems the extension i still use is now superseded by another one.
[00:57:19] <kju>	ah, yes that was the recommendation to replace it with lockdown.
[00:58:13] <kju>	but i haven't done it yet. but ok, if the author of lockdown can add such a feature if not already there, i shall probably upgrade to lockdown first.
[00:58:18] <kju>	thanks for the info.
[00:58:32] <Asga>	wc
[00:58:37] <Asga>	äh
[01:06:39] <CIA-40>	03tstarling * r29877 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: #ifexist: If the "else" parameter is missing, use the "test" parameter instead. This allows error-free text to be passed through with abbreviated syntax. Splarka's suggestion.
[01:06:40] <kju>	tnx and bye
[01:10:10] <Morbus>	TimStarling: i could say the same for #ifeq. I often find myself wanting to do only {{ #ifeq: test | yes | woot }}
[01:10:20] <Morbus>	but i'm forced to terminate with an empty | }}
[01:11:18] <TimStarling>	you're a template programmer, Morbus?
[01:11:38] <Morbus>	i'm a programmer, yes. 
[01:11:57] <Morbus>	whether i'd say i'm anything more than a newb template programmer, i'm not entirely sure. i know i've done a dozen or so for the current site i'mw orking on.
[01:12:10] <Wiredtape>	Hey everyone.. I'm trying to figure out what gets called when you submit an edit.. *what class/what hooks are available..
[01:12:34] <TimStarling>	Wiredtape: there's about 1000 lines for that
[01:12:47] <Morbus>	TimStarling: why do you ask?
[01:12:52] <Splarka>	browsed http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks  ?
[01:12:56] <TimStarling>	there are hooks in EditPage.php and Article.php
[01:13:26] <TimStarling>	Morbus: there are some people who are very keen about using mediawiki wikitext as a programming language
[01:13:31] <Wiredtape>	TimStarling, I'd figured that would probably be the answer.. though isn't there a starting point? for instance.. what's the first function that is called upon submit..?
[01:13:39] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions#.23iferror:  updated
[01:13:46] <TimStarling>	I've been trying to identify them
[01:13:47] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, the first function called upon almost anything is /index.php.
[01:13:51] <Dashiva>	TimStarling: We're everywhere!
[01:14:07] <Morbus>	TimStarling: oh, sure. i've already heard the "it's a macro language, not a thingy thing". i'm not complaining about its idiosyncracies. I just thought, hey, he's taking suggestions ;)
[01:14:20] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, you can follow the call chain if you want.  There are a few files in between index.php and the place where stuff actually starts happening.
[01:15:02] <Splarka>	heh, a few
[01:15:11] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, TimStarling, Splarka, thanks 
[01:15:47] <TimStarling>	Dashiva: is there somewhere you hang out?
[01:16:01] <TimStarling>	a local mediawiki template programmer's club or something?
[01:16:06] <Dashiva>	Not that I know of
[01:16:11] <Wiredtape>	I'd like to see wikitext expanded, possibly have a an mw framework, though is a wikitext language really needed?
[01:16:18] <TimStarling>	I haven't been able to find one either, I wonder why that is
[01:16:19] <Dashiva>	I just notice there are a few fancy black magic templates on every wiki I visit
[01:16:33] <Morbus>	heh.
[01:16:35] <TimStarling>	right, there's lots of individuals, but maybe no community
[01:16:50] <Morbus>	i end up having to right the template, then smush it all together with no whitespace, because whitespace issues continue to confound me.
[01:16:53] <TimStarling>	very strange
[01:17:10] <Morbus>	http://www.videounderbelly.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Death_by&action=edit
[01:17:11] <Morbus>	for example.
[01:17:16] <TimStarling>	maybe all wikitext programmers are on the autistic spectrum and are incapable of ordinary social relations
[01:17:22] <Dashiva>	Personally I gravitated here, discovered the general feeling about template programming, and decided it wasn't worth pushing
[01:17:44] *Splarka 	resembles that remark
[01:17:52] <Morbus>	same here. i can do what i want to do, complaints aside. if I can't, well, I'll do an extension.
[01:17:55] <TimStarling>	that's a joke
[01:17:55] <Simetrical>	Morbus, apparently current behavior is that whitespace around named template parameters gets stripped, whitespace around unnamed template parameters does not.
[01:17:56] <Morbus>	which I have.
[01:17:58] <Morbus>	\p/
[01:17:58] <Simetrical>	Which is fairly ludicrous.
[01:18:05] <TimStarling>	I have to say that, don't I
[01:18:17] <TimStarling>	they have trouble detecting humour
[01:18:20] <Dashiva>	TimStarling: Probably
[01:18:23] <Morbus>	Simetrical: oh, that's interesting.
[01:18:28] <Morbus>	good thing to keep in the back of mah mind.
[01:18:30] *Splarka 	grins
[01:18:43] <Dashiva>	TimStarling: But most of us know you're really talking about the people with commit access :P
[01:18:53] <Splarka>	Tim: #iferror rocks my socks, thanks!
[01:19:04] <Splarka>	I gotta go for a while, bbl, to bug you with parser bugs
[01:19:15] <TimStarling>	bye
[01:19:57] <Dashiva>	So iferror is just ifexist with the 'test' copied into 'then'?
[01:20:03] <Wiredtape>	So, if I want to follow the code through to edit/submit, do you think it would be smarter to look at trunk or have there been minimal changes there since 1.11?
[01:20:17] <TimStarling>	um, no
[01:20:34] <TimStarling>	iferror searches its first parameter for text that looks like an error message
[01:20:46] <Dashiva>	aha
[01:20:53] <TimStarling>	<span class="error"> or <strong class="error">
[01:21:29] <Dashiva>	So instead of checking if media exists, you can call it and replace if it generated an error
[01:21:55] <TimStarling>	it really doesn't have anything to do with existence
[01:22:08] <Dashiva>	But that's the use case I'm building
[01:22:59] <Wiredtape>	anyone?
[01:23:27] <Dashiva>	{{#iferror:[[Image]]|No image}} is neater than {{#ifexist:Image|[[Image]]|No image}}, saves repetition. Especially when Image is a complex expression and you don't have VariableFunctions
[01:24:02] <TimStarling>	Dashiva: except that it doesn't work
[01:24:19] <Dashiva>	There's no class error on dead image links?
[01:24:21] <TimStarling>	{{#iferror:[[Image]]|No image}} will always return [[Image]]
[01:24:34] <TimStarling>	because [[Image]] isn't an error
[01:25:59] <Dashiva>	Bah, humbug
[01:26:19] <Dashiva>	And there I saw a way to avoid depending on var
[01:26:22] <TimStarling>	it wouldn't matter if there was a class="error" on dead image links
[01:26:38] <MZMcBride>	Dashiva: you saw the documentation on #iferror, right?
[01:26:40] <TimStarling>	because image links are processed in the main pass, and parser functions operate in the preprocessor stage
[01:26:59] <Dashiva>	MZMcBride: I saw the commit comment here
[01:27:07] <MZMcBride>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions#.23iferror:
[01:27:16] <MZMcBride>	best to rtfm before bugging the implementor :)
[01:27:48] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, there have been some changes since 1.11.  Not dramatic overhauls, but looking at trunk would be a good idea.
[01:28:27] <Dashiva>	MZMcBride: You know how fast documentation gets outdated, it's been all of five minutes ;)
[01:29:02] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, you know, your last commit said "#ifexist" in the commit message instead of "#iferror".
[01:29:02] <MZMcBride>	heh, true
[01:29:24] <TimStarling>	Simetrical: maybe that explains why Dashiva was confused
[01:29:41] <Dashiva>	At least my initial confusion. :)
[01:31:21] <Dashiva>	On a different note, I notice you put "enable new parser" as a dep on 2257. Do you consider PP_TRANSPARENT a complete fix, or a good enough fix?
[01:31:42] <TimStarling>	there's no PP_TRANSPARENT
[01:31:58] <TimStarling>	the fix for 2257 is {{#tag:...}}
[01:32:09] <Dashiva>	ugh
[01:32:16] <MZMcBride>	Dashiva: shh
[01:32:44] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, ok, I'm trying to find the newest rev is it 1.11rc1?
[01:32:44] <Dashiva>	By PP_TRANSPARENT I meant the new setTransparentTagHook, but you already answered that question too
[01:32:58] <TimStarling>	I think setTransparentTagHook() might be broken
[01:33:02] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, the newest rev is trunk.
[01:33:04] <TimStarling>	not sure
[01:33:05] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, or rather, HEAD.
[01:33:08] <TimStarling>	but that's post-main-pass
[01:33:23] <Simetrical>	r29877, as of about half an hour ago.
[01:33:55] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, trunk is synced to Wikimedia once every couple of days or so.  We aren't release-oriented, it's continuous-integration.
[01:33:57] <Dashiva>	MZMcBride: What's the hush? Some kind of anti-xml thing? :)
[01:34:24] <MZMcBride>	Dashiva: #tag is going to fix a lot of issues
[01:35:34] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, ok, thanks
[01:36:20] <Dashiva>	MZMcBride: Sure, if you like pipe juggling. I'm still hanging out for more
[01:37:19] <Wiredtape>	Simterical, so: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 is latest?
[01:37:30] <Wiredtape>	or atleast latest synced?
[01:37:32] <Dashiva>	Wiredtape: Yes
[01:37:38] <Dashiva>	Not synced (yet)
[01:37:55] <Dashiva>	As Simetrical said, sync doesn't happen immediately
[01:38:04] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, it's the latest.  The latest revision synced can be found on Special:Version at Wikipedia.
[01:38:04] <MZMcBride>	Special:Version on a WMF wiki will tell you which version its running
[01:38:16] <Simetrical>	It should be a few hours behind at present, there were a couple of syncs today.
[01:38:17] <MZMcBride>	it's *
[01:38:35] <Wiredtape>	thank you everyone...
[01:40:39] <Wiredtape>	I guess I should ask.. I am planning on creating a way to make an insert into an article without going through the whole edit process.. (of course registering the edit will occur) -> originally I was planning on an extension, would this be something better implemented in the code itself?
[01:41:05] <MZMcBride>	can't you just use JS?
[01:41:34] <Wiredtape>	MZMcBride, ? - for instance?
[01:41:48] <MZMcBride>	well depends what you want to do
[01:42:04] <MZMcBride>	but i know that on en.wiki for example, some of the user scripts are lightning fast at prepending text
[01:43:46] <Wiredtape>	MZMcBride, I thought about that.. however, it seemed to be too messy... for instance, what if you want to create a template that uses a js requesting input.. and then you want to replace the template variable with the input.. 
[01:44:29] <MZMcBride>	well before writing anything, i would checkout JS and the current extensions
[01:44:33] <MZMcBride>	!extensions
[01:44:33] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[01:44:41] <MZMcBride>	the matrix has a pretty good listing
[01:44:55] <MZMcBride>	and en.wiki's scripts are mostly here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:US
[01:45:31] <Wiredtape>	I took a look at extensions.. nothing like it.. I'll take a look at js...
[01:45:47] <Wiredtape>	thanks
[01:45:57] <MZMcBride>	no problem
[02:03:38] <Simetrical>	Ugh, why is /usr/bin/find so anal about its arguments?
[02:03:51] <Simetrical>	Or rather, the arguments' order?
[02:04:04] <Simetrical>	Why does it care where paths go?  Practically all commands take paths at the end.
[02:45:11] <zbo>	Could someone confirm that I may have found a bug in MediaWiki, or, at the very least, Wikipedia's implementation?
[02:45:27] <zbo>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bachman#_note-Data_Models:_Data_Structure_Set_versus_Relational
[02:45:35] <zbo>	I do not see the References section on the page.
[02:45:52] <MZMcBride>	you have to have <references/> on the page
[02:46:28] <MZMcBride>	where you want the references to be listed
[02:46:30] <zbo>	ah, silly me.  i knew there was something trivial i didnt know about
[03:15:56] <silly>	Hello, Does anyone know how to put the Featured Article star to the right of the title?
[03:16:18] <Simetrical>	silly, CSS hackery.
[03:16:24] <Simetrical>	Well, it's not fair to call it hackery, really.
[03:16:29] <Simetrical>	It's what CSS is designed to do.
[03:23:20] <CIA-40>	03tstarling * r29878 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Parser.php maintenance/parserTests.txt): (log message trimmed)
[03:23:20] <CIA-40>	* Fixed "Morwen/13" from
[03:23:20] <CIA-40>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Migration_to_the_new_preprocessor&oldid=837845
[03:23:20] <CIA-40>	. The fix is heuristic, to avoid infinite backtracking or "alternate-reality"
[03:23:20] <CIA-40>	style branching in the preprocessToDom stack. Some edit section links will go
[03:23:23] <CIA-40>	missing despite my best efforts.
[03:23:25] <CIA-40>	* Split the PPD stack out to its own class. Verified with a differential fuzz test.
[03:44:30] <silly>	ok but the hackery should bring in the star only on articles that have that class? isnt this the tough part?
[03:45:26] <MZMcBride>	the star is controlled via a template transclusion
[03:47:26] <silly>	Thank you
[03:50:07] <silly>	ok but Im talking about the star at the right hand side of the title on the article page, not the talk page
[03:50:30] <silly>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome
[03:51:28] <silly>	 you can see the *#($^%@ star at the far right hand of the title
[03:53:14] <Simetrical>	That's what we're talking about too.
[03:53:18] <Simetrical>	No need to get excited.
[03:53:23] <Simetrical>	It's added by a template, and positioned by CSS.
[03:53:45] <silly>	Question, is this code that creates the star? {{pp-semi|small=yes}}
[03:54:20] <silly>	I was just kidding about *#($^%@  since the article is about tourette syndrome
[03:55:13] <silly>	is the code added directly into the article then?
[03:56:51] <Simetrical>	I think it's {{featured article}}.
[03:59:24] <silly>	Ok, I am asking about this because I want to use a class system on my wiki. I see the stars on Wikipedia articles but not this code anywhere in the page code..
[04:08:04] <silly>	Ok Ive looked everywhere for how to add the small bronze star on the top right corner of an article's page. The graphic is also a link to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles page 
[04:08:48] <silly>	does anyone know how this is done? Or an article that can tell me how? 
[04:09:14] <MZMcBride>	silly: copy the code from Template:featured_article
[04:09:33] <MZMcBride>	copy the relevant classes from MediaWiki:Monobook.css or MediaWiki:Common.css
[04:09:41] <MZMcBride>	and copy the image
[04:10:09] <MZMcBride>	then transclude the template on the pages you want to see the star
[04:15:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) strange text when a REF is in a link - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5922  +comment (10tstarling)
[04:16:05] <silly>	Thank you for your time. Actually this is over my head. I'll have to learn more about this
[04:20:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652  (10tstarling)
[04:20:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) References don't hide under wrong #if - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9083  (10tstarling)
[04:20:30] <Zach>	"I'm pretty sure that MySQL is the default, and the preferred, database for MediaWiki." <--- is this a true statement?
[04:20:56] <TimStarling>	yes
[04:22:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652  (10N/A)
[04:28:04] <chuck>	i'm installing mediawiki, how can i make the namespace Labs: but the title of the window something else?
[04:28:41] <MZMcBride>	probably not easily
[04:29:10] <chuck>	:z
[04:29:23] <MZMcBride>	probably not so difficult with JS
[04:32:47] <chuck>	is there a way to use the same user table for all wikis?
[04:33:17] <MZMcBride>	chuck: see centralauth, i think
[04:33:19] <MZMcBride>	!centralauth
[04:33:19] --mwbot--	CentralAuth extension allows global/shared accounts between projects.  For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CentralAuth>
[04:35:23] <chuck>	thanks
[04:37:05] <chuck>	do i enable the extension on all wikis that use the central user table?
[04:38:25] <MZMcBride>	hmm... can't hurt?
[04:38:37] <MZMcBride>	i think so
[04:41:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  +comment (10Ryanpostlethwaite)
[04:50:02] <chuck>	what the heck?
[04:50:08] <chuck>	centralauth is not working at all
[04:50:26] <chuck>	and i'm finding that i could have just used sharedDB or something?
[04:51:56] <chuck>	!wgDBuser
[04:51:56] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wgdbuser".
[04:52:00] <chuck>	!dbuser
[04:52:00] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "dbuser".
[04:54:29] <MZMcBride>	!wg DBuser
[04:54:29] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBuser
[04:56:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10JSchulz_4587)
[05:09:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Move some pages from enwikibooks to enwikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12659 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mike.lifeguard)
[05:18:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  (10voyagerfan5761)
[05:58:57] <gravisan>	does anyone know how to convert say a tag image:someimage.jpg into a downloadable url
[05:59:37] <MZMcBride>	!externalimages
[05:59:37] --mwbot--	To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[05:59:50] <MZMcBride>	shit. sorry.
[05:59:55] <MZMcBride>	!imagemap | gravisan 
[05:59:55] --mwbot--	gravisan: ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap> for more information.
[06:00:02] <MZMcBride>	i think that's what you want
[06:00:09] <gravisan>	cool
[06:00:10] <gravisan>	thanks =)
[06:00:26] <gravisan>	i used to have a teacher called ms.mcbride too
[06:00:28] <gravisan>	haha
[06:01:02] <MZMcBride>	haha
[06:10:58] <Dantman|FS>	TimStarling: What was the benifit example splarka give for the change to #ifexist:?
[06:11:51] <Splarka>	old requirement: {{#iferror:{{#expr:1+1}}|error|{{#expr:1+1}}}}
[06:11:57] <Splarka>	new: {{#iferror:{{#expr:1+1}}|error}}
[06:12:28] <Splarka>	you don't have to duplicate a long messy parserfunction call in order to have the output simply checked for errors, useful if it uses a lot of template parameters, etc
[06:13:09] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Bleh... TimStarling made a commit message mistake...
[06:13:35] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Just checked... ya, the change was to #iferror, but he used #ifexist in the comment.
[06:13:52] <Splarka>	heh
[06:14:20] <Splarka>	I am still getting those mixed up, I wanted #ifvalid or #try
[06:14:22] <MZMcBride>	he's already been chastised for the mistake :p
[06:14:26] <Splarka>	for example though:
[06:14:31] <Splarka>	{{#expr:235.214584 / {{{1}}} round {{{2|0}}} }}
[06:14:32] <Splarka>	at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Auto_mpg
[06:14:36] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ Though that does give me an idea for #ifexist:... but unfortunately, now that I think about it, it wouldn't be backwards compatible so It couldn't be added
[06:14:43] <Splarka>	this is okay to return a <strong> error message
[06:15:01] <Splarka>	but lets get more esoteric
[06:15:15] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord/link
[06:15:27] <Splarka>	<span class="geo-dms" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for {{{dms-lat}}} {{{dms-long}}}">
[06:15:36] <Splarka>	dms-lat and dms-long are passed through #expr
[06:15:42] <Splarka>	bad input causes a <strong> in the class=""
[06:15:49] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	^_^ Splarka, your case is proven simply with the following expression:
[06:15:51] <Splarka>	this causes various errors
[06:16:10] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	{{#iferror:{{#expr: 1 / {{#rand:0|5}}}}|error}}
[06:16:22] <Splarka>	heh
[06:16:31] <Splarka>	well, some might argue
[06:16:37] <Splarka>	{{#iferror:{{#expr: 1 / {{#rand:0|5}}}}|-0}}
[06:16:41] *Splarka 	hides
[06:16:49] <Splarka>	or {{#iferror:{{#expr: 1 / {{#rand:0|5}}}}|Error:Requires Chuck Norris}}
[06:16:52] <MZMcBride>	negative zero.. you better hide
[06:17:05] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	lol
[06:17:07] <MZMcBride>	heh. you just pinged ch-uck
[06:17:23] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	My thought on #ifexist was unfortunately not backwards compatible...
[06:17:56] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	[[{{#ifexist:Image:Wiki_wide.png|Image:Wiki.png}}]]
[06:18:13] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	If Wiki_wide.png existed it would display it, otherwise it would display Wiki.png
[06:18:31] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	But because we allow a blank else, T_T it's not back compat
[06:20:16] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Meh... one of the benifits of #findexist: if WikiCode ever did get started... (Contrary to the name, programming isn't the game)
[06:20:29] *Splarka 	stabs
[06:21:05] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Nah, the idea is a set of parserfunctions lighter on the server, and more human readable
[06:22:06] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	{{#findexist:Image:Stub.svg,Image:Stub.png,Image:Stub.jpg,Image:Stub.gif|[[$s$]]}}
[06:22:18] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Would be roughly equiv to:
[06:23:03] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	{{#ifexist:Image:Stub.svg|[[Image:Stub.svg]]|{{#ifexist:Image:Stub.png|[[Image:Stub.png]]|...More annoying nested code here...}}}}
[06:23:26] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	Except... the latter is harder to read, and far harder on the servers to handle.
[06:25:25] <Nadir_Seen_Fire>	I was also thinking of a #splice: function to make it much easier to split up a string list, then format it (ie: Put [[]]'s arround the text) and piece it together... Without complecated syntax
[06:32:32] <CIA-40>	03tstarling * r29880 10/trunk/extensions/examples/ThreeFileTemplate/MyExtension.php: backslash required
[06:49:14] <piksi>	are all of the mediawiki pages stored in the database or as external text files that are referred to from the db?
[06:49:26] <MZMcBride>	in the DB
[06:49:36] <piksi>	thanks
[07:09:14] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Move some pages from enwikibooks to enwikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12659  +comment (10jeluf)
[07:12:58] <MZMcBride>	JeLuF: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Category:Wikiversity_pages_to_be_imported
[07:13:01] <MZMcBride>	i think that's what he was referring to
[07:13:19] <MZMcBride>	page history fits
[07:15:19] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Move some pages from enwikibooks to enwikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12659  +comment (10jeluf)
[07:15:47] <MZMcBride>	silly users
[07:17:37] <_wooz>	lo
[07:22:25] <p858snake>	i should probly get back into WP:UNCAT one day
[07:23:50] <p858snake>	opps wrong channel
[07:34:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move some pages from enwikibooks to enwikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12659  (10mike.lifeguard)
[07:37:32] <CIA-40>	03aaron * r29881 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Use estimateRowCount()
[07:52:37] <CIA-40>	03rotem * r29882 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[08:07:43] <marchelly>	Утро доброе
[08:13:16] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29883 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Update recently added messages.
[08:22:26] <Phuzion>	Can someone help me figure out why my wiki is running so slow?
[08:34:07] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29884 10/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/SpecialLanguages.i18n.php: Update a few messages. Less frivolous.
[08:35:16] <Kako>	hi, i've installed mediawiki 1.11.0. the config can not find eAccelerator but I see in its logfile that it is working (eAccelerator.debug=1). I can also see it whith phpinfo() or php -v. Don someone knows why the config script doesn't find it?
[08:42:22] <appelza>	Hi guys, I've changed the logo, but it doesn't show in my browser.  I've hard refresed, logoline: $wgLogo = "/var/www/htdocs/wiki/images/ttlogo.gif"; permisions: -rw-r--r-- 1 apache apache
[08:42:31] <appelza>	Oh, I've also restated apache
[08:42:35] <appelza>	Any ideas?
[08:45:44] <omnivibe>	hello ppl :)
[08:46:16] <omnivibe>	one of the people that contributes to my wiki says that she gets logged out automatically after a while, and hence- loses posts. Anyone know the reason for this?
[08:46:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (matthew.britton)
[08:52:36] <appelza>	anyone?
[08:55:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Misreaded Translate link in Special:Version on testwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12658  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[08:56:48] <Kako>	appelza: you 've probably already done but, did you clear your browser cache?
[08:57:02] <appelza>	yesp
[08:57:03] <appelza>	tep
[08:57:05] <appelza>	yes :P
[08:57:21] <appelza>	and I've looked at error_log and access_log, and I see get requests to the image and no erros
[08:57:25] <appelza>	but the image doesnt show
[08:57:38] <appelza>	I've tried jpg and gif images just as a test, neither work
[08:58:03] <omnivibe>	does mediawiki itself change php session timeout values, or if I change the session timeouts/garbage collecting in php.ini will that enable users to remain logged in even if they're inactive?
[08:58:12] <Kako>	are you shure your browser receive the correct skin? if not default maybe the picture-path is not used from var
[08:58:37] <CIA-40>	03tstarling * r29885 10/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Added ParserFirstCallInit hook. Deferred function registration in ParserFunctions until this hook is called.
[08:59:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  (10francine)
[08:59:39] <appelza>	Kako: I'm gonna test by overwriting the default logo and commenting out the $wgLogo line I added
[09:00:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  (10francine)
[09:01:25] <CIA-40>	03tstarling * r29886 10/trunk/extensions/ParserDiffTest/ (4 files): Special page for comparing the output of two different parsers.
[09:01:35] <Kako>	(again) hi, i've installed mediawiki 1.11.0. the config can not find eAccelerator but I see in its logfile that it is working (eAccelerator.debug=1). I can also see it whith phpinfo() or php -v. Don someone knows why the config script doesn't find it?
[09:03:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  (10matthew.britton)
[09:05:47] <appelza>	Whats the syntax for linking to internal pages? Ie.  Do I have to do [http://localhost/wiki/PageName|PageName] or is there another way
[09:06:40] <MZMcBride>	[http://google.com/ Google]
[09:06:43] <MZMcBride>	you have to have a space
[09:07:03] <appelza>	I mean for internal links
[09:07:09] <appelza>	not external like google.com
[09:07:11] <Splarka>	double brackets
[09:07:41] <MZMcBride>	[[Page name|display name]]
[09:07:55] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Link
[09:08:22] <MZMcBride>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet
[09:08:55] <appelza>	tnx
[09:09:03] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12639  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:18:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wikipedia: namespace alias for sv.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12661 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mickewiki)
[09:26:15] <appelza>	how can I change: http://192.168.229.217/wiki/index.php/Main_Page into http://192.168.229.217/wiki/Main_Page
[09:26:54] <kju>	hi
[09:27:18] <kju>	after upgrade vom 1.10 to 1.11 the rss feed of the recent changes is prepended by a empty line which causes some feed readers to be unable to parse the file. is this a known bug?
[09:27:55] <Dashiva>	appelza: Move your files from wiki to w, then add RewriteRule wiki$ wiki/ and RewriteRule wiki/(.*) w/index.php/$1 [L,QSA]
[09:28:45] <appelza>	add to .htaccess inside ./wiki root dir ?
[09:29:23] <Dashiva>	Inside the parent directory of wiki (and w)
[09:30:57] <appelza>	cool, will do
[09:31:17] <Dashiva>	I'm going by memory so it might not be perfect, but it shows the general idea at least
[09:45:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) incorrect placement of links for editing (Opera 9.25) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12662 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; ()
[09:52:49] <mdale>	is there a way to make the `searchindex` table get updated on every edit? 
[09:55:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikipedia: namespace alias for sv.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12661  (10mickewiki)
[10:11:41] <CIA-40>	03siebrand * r29887 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-17 09:50 CET)
[10:26:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnails don't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2848  +comment (10konrad.pfleiderer)
[10:28:15] <CIA-40>	03dale * r29889 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (12 files in 6 dirs): removed FULL TEXT index in `mv_mvd_index` table in favor of unification of media search with `searchindex` table (be sure to run maintance/mv_update.php to upgrade db schema)
[10:46:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ImageMagick in SafeMode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12663 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (konrad.pfleiderer)
[11:10:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) incorrect placement of links for editing (Opera 9.25) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12662  (10lucanemo)
[12:29:51] <zif>	is there a way to get the (full) list of templates used by a given page/template ?
[12:30:42] <Dashiva>	Edit the pagE?
[12:30:55] <Nikerabbit>	recent versions of mediawiki show list of used templates on edit preview
[12:33:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:33:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CreateMessageIndex.php throws an error message - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12565  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:33:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Misreaded Translate link in Special:Version on testwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12658  (10siebrand)
[12:33:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Misreaded Translate link in Special:Version on testwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12658  +comment (10siebrand)
[13:05:13] <spectie>	i'd like to turn on transliteration mode, like serbian wikipedia has for tajik wikipedia -- i was pointed to this channel by #wikimedia-tech -- i have a transliteration table, who do i need to talk to in order to get it implemented? (thanks in advance) :)
[13:24:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Image: pages have poor usability - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12664 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (alan)
[13:41:10] <StevenFruitsmaak>	avar: do you know if there is a mediawiki file that sets the link for the built-in magic word "PMID"? see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#PMID
[13:44:16] <Dashiva>	StevenFruitsmaak: Aye
[13:44:33] <Dashiva>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Pubmedurl
[13:57:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Render onsite URLs written in external link form like internal links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11124  +comment (10tstarling)
[13:59:01] <StevenFruitsmaak>	TimStarling: do you know were the Mediawiki page is that takes care of the "PMID" built-in magic word in Wikipedia? see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:MED#PMID
[13:59:45] <Dashiva>	StevenFruitsmaak: I already told you
[14:00:05] <StevenFruitsmaak>	yeah but I fell of IRC when my pc crashed
[14:00:18] <StevenFruitsmaak>	Dashiva: could you repeat your answer please?
[14:00:28] <Dashiva>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Pubmedurl
[14:01:12] <StevenFruitsmaak>	thank you Dashiva !
[14:01:53] <Dashiva>	I'm also surprised an article about diseases of unknown etiology can mention the word about 20 times and not link it a single time :)
[14:05:31] <StevenFruitsmaak>	which disease?
[14:06:55] <Dashiva>	The article mentioned above on the talk page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflammatory_diseases_of_unknown_etiology
[14:07:22] <StevenFruitsmaak>	:)
[14:10:29] <hippietrail>	i'm looking for an example on how to use api.php with json and javascript
[14:17:07] <Kittyums>	Hello, is anyone available for a question?
[14:19:29] <Kittyums>	I have set up my own wiki and am new, I don't understand how to use a template.
[14:23:19] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | Kittyums
[14:23:19] --mwbot--	Kittyums: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and HTML Tidy<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[14:26:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Render onsite URLs written in external link form like internal links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11124  (10danny_b)
[14:26:59] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  (10gangleri)
[14:27:14] <Danny_B>	o_o
[14:30:41] <Dashiva>	ganglieri needs to stop breaking the bot :)
[14:36:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change import sources for enwikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12665 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mike.lifeguard)
[14:40:38] <Mister>	as rename in a navigation Community portal
[14:40:44] <Mister>	??????
[15:02:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault on enwikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12666 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mike.lifeguard)
[15:06:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide some method to blank messages like MediaWiki:Excontent - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12647  (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:07:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault on enwikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12666  (10mike.lifeguard)
[15:18:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (AlexSm)
[15:23:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10axel9891)
[15:27:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  (10AlexSm)
[15:31:27] *AlexSm 	wish the devs would put a short help page on markup supported by bugzilla
[15:32:08] <AlexSm>	like this: http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/3.0/html/hintsandtips.html
[15:38:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  (10axel9891)
[15:42:46] <omnivibe>	does anyone know how to disable php session timeouts (I assume this is why sometimes I need to re-login to edit a page, and I lose the edit)?
[15:43:48] <Grey-man>	Anyone available for a minor, probably stare you in the face obvious, question? :)
[15:44:51] <Grey-man>	If I want to center align all of the info in this table, what's the code I would add, and where? http://superpowerclassic.wikia.com/wiki/Best_Arms_Market
[15:46:27] <Warpath>	;)
[15:49:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Wiki on iPhone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12668 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mczeke)
[15:49:34] <Warpath>	Grey-man,  center align table ?
[15:49:59] <Grey-man>	That's what I thought too...though, it didn't work when I tried
[15:50:14] <Grey-man>	I might have had it in the wrong place
[15:50:40] <Warpath>	maybe an extra | somewhere :P
[15:50:48] <Grey-man>	heh, ya
[15:51:14] <AlexSm>	Grey-man: add this into style:    text-align:center
[15:51:55] <Grey-man>	ah, excellent...thanks AlexSm
[16:02:52] <Wiredtape>	Hey all.. is there a way to get via php the parent article no matter what subpage you are on? 
[16:04:44] <Wiredtape>	for instance: I am on Bla/bla1/bla2/bla3, and I want a way to know that I am on "Bla"; or I am on Foo/bla1/bla2 and I want to know I am on "Foo";
[16:04:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki on iPhone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12668   +shell (10vasilvv)
[16:10:03] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, there should be an Article or Title method, like getBasePageName() or something.  Look through Title.php and Article.php and see if you can find it.
[16:12:08] <flyingparchment>	Wiredtape: do you want the next level of article that exists, or just the article with the last /Whatever stripped off?
[16:12:28] <Wiredtape>	first level..
[16:12:52] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, thanks.
[16:14:06] <flyingparchment>	so, what's the base name of [[TCP/IP]] or [[RSTS/E]]? :)
[16:15:02] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, the appropriate method should be smart enough to handle namespaces with subpages disabled properly, I hope.
[16:15:40] *VasilievVV 	reads russian wikibooks about PH
[16:15:42] <VasilievVV>	*PHP
[16:16:05] <VasilievVV>	Looks like a book about PHP4 with regster_globals enabled
[16:16:23] <Wiredtape>	flyingparchment, that's a good question.. I have no idea :)
[16:16:32] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical-> title.php -> getBaseText()? 
[16:16:37] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, probably.
[16:16:44] <Simetrical>	Read the method documentation.
[16:16:52] <Simetrical>	Or the method itself, if it's not documented adequately.
[16:16:57] <Wiredtape>	there's documentation?
[16:17:10] <Wiredtape>	:)
[16:17:43] <Simetrical>	Most functions have comments before them in the code documenting their parameters, return values, and other effects.
[16:17:45] <Simetrical>	Or at least, many do.
[16:17:58] <Wiredtape>	flyingparchment, to answer your question.. the method searches to see if an article like TCP/IP has additional subpages.. if it doesn't it is considered a base page...
[16:18:54] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, so how would I call this? $wgTitle->getBaseText()?
[16:19:05] <flyingparchment>	Wiredtape: you mean it checks for [[TCP/IP/Anything]]?  
[16:19:12] <flyingparchment>	or [[TCP/Anything other than IP]]?
[16:19:28] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, if the Title you want to get the base text of is $wgTitle, yes.  Be sure to declare it as global first, of course.
[16:20:07] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, if( isset( $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[ $this->mNamespace ] ) && $wgNamespacesWithSubpages[ $this->mNamespace ] ) { ... } else { return $this->getText() }
[16:20:12] <Wiredtape>	it basically takes a string such as: bla/bla1/bla2 and explodes it into: bla, bla1, bla2.. if bla has a subpage called bla1.. it is a basepage.. 
[16:20:24] <Nadaqver>	hi..
[16:20:27] <Wiredtape>	if bla has no subpage then it's name is bla/bla1
[16:20:31] <Wiredtape>	or base is..
[16:20:32] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, yes, but only if subpages are enabled for that namespace.
[16:20:32] <Nadaqver>	adasdasdasasd
[16:20:32] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: i know about namespacewithsubpages, that's not what i'm talking about
[16:20:33] <Nadaqver>	asdasdasdasd
[16:20:33] <Nadaqver>	asdas
[16:20:34] <Nadaqver>	dasd
[16:20:34] <Nadaqver>	asdas
[16:20:34] <Nadaqver>	das
[16:20:35] <Nadaqver>	dasd
[16:20:37] <Nadaqver>	asdas
[16:20:38] <Wiredtape>	true..
[16:20:39] <Nadaqver>	dasd
[16:20:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Image: pages have poor usability - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12664  (10danny_b)
[16:21:04] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, you were asking about the behavior of Title::getBaseText(), yes?
[16:21:09] <enhydra>	flyingparchment, it would be probably good to unban him
[16:21:13] <Wiredtape>	in php: $parts = explode( '/', $this->getText() );
[16:21:22] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: yes.  specifically, the case when subpages are enabled and a real page title has a slash in 
[16:21:29] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, that should be impossible.
[16:21:40] <Simetrical>	If subpages are enabled, titles can't legitimately have slashes in them, AFAIK.
[16:21:50] <Simetrical>	Or rather if they do, they're interpreted as subpages.
[16:22:06] <Wiredtape>	when you say subpages enabled you mean localsettings.php?
[16:22:19] <Simetrical>	The next time TCP/IP would be displayed after subpages were enabled, it would have a breadcrumb trail at the top to [[IP]].
[16:22:30] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, yes, $wgNamespacesWithSubpages can be configured in LocalSettings.
[16:22:50] <Wiredtape>	obviously if you do it like this method does.. you could still figure it out with subpages enabled..
[16:23:04] <Wiredtape>	with one exception..
[16:23:13] <Wiredtape>	if that page that has a "/" has a subpage..
[16:24:26] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I just realized Renameuser doesn't respect $wgNamespacesWithSubpages when you move the user page and all subpages.
[16:24:36] <Simetrical>	Oh well, we don't allow '/' in usernames regardless, I don't think.
[16:24:53] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: yes, that was the point i was trying to make
[16:24:59] <flyingparchment>	enhydra: why?
[16:25:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10danny_b)
[16:26:13] <Wiredtape>	is anyone familiar with quickedit (user script?)
[16:26:40] <Simetrical>	I'm not.
[16:26:53] <enhydra>	flyingparchment, just because of freenode philosophies :) it's recommended to apply bans only when nothing other helps (and user might ask a question here, for example)
[16:27:18] <enhydra>	I suspect that most of the entries in current banlist are inactual
[16:27:42] <Wiredtape>	it's snowing like crazy outside :P
[16:28:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki on iPhone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12668  (10danny_b)
[16:29:51] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) incorrect placement of links for editing (Opera 9.25) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12662  +comment (10danny_b)
[16:29:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit links showing up in wrong place - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629  +comment (10danny_b)
[16:30:55] <Wiredtape>	So supposedly, if I wanted to keep showing the base name for a page no matter what subpage I am on.. I could switch the main header title to call $wgTitle->getBaseText() and display that instead of <?php $this->data['displaytitle']!=""?$this->html('title'):$this->text('title') ?> or would this cause some problems?
[16:31:25] <flyingparchment>	Wiredtape: but all higher level pages in a subpage hierarchy are already shown when viewing a subpage
[16:32:00] <Wiredtape>	flyingparchment, right, but I want to show only the base... 
[16:32:46] <flyingparchment>	wait, you want to display the base name as the page title?  (why?)
[16:32:49] <Wiredtape>	or rather, I am creating a way to translate my titles (with subpages) into something more meaningfull
[16:33:03] <Wiredtape>	in my wiki.. i have subpages to resemble locales
[16:33:33] <Wiredtape>	for instance: if you are interested in opening an llc in california, usa then the title would be: Limited_Liability_Company/US/MD/<action>
[16:33:45] <Wiredtape>	that looks ugly and doesn't mean a whole lot to people
[16:34:55] <Wiredtape>	now, I don't need to change the actual "location" but I can change the title.. to maintain Limited Liability Company, and then I could have an additional <span> commenting that it is now talking about <action> in <locale>
[16:34:59] <Wiredtape>	make sense?
[16:35:01] <flyingparchment>	you might consider changing {{DISPLAYTITLE}} to allow changing to substrings of the name
[16:36:41] <Wiredtape>	I was looking at {{DISPLAYTITLE}} yesterday, I wasn't sure which way to go.. there's a parser function that let's you change the title alltogether.. however, it only works when you view a page with action=purge
[16:37:05] <Wiredtape>	is {{DISPLAYTITLE}} in magicwords class?
[16:50:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10kalan.001)
[16:50:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enumerated Property:Page only works for first allows_value - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11820  +comment (10yaron57)
[16:50:15] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Re-enable upload on Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12642  +comment (10robin_1273)
[16:50:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new prefix WP: for Polish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12515  summary (10juliusz.zielinski)
[17:00:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CheckUser log URLs depends on user language preference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12669 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (lejonel)
[17:14:49] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[17:31:04] <Kyrin>	Is there a eggdrop script for showing/listing recent changes in an IRC room?
[17:31:46] <flyingparchment>	does it have to be eggdrop?  mediawiki already supports that itself
[17:32:26] <Kyrin>	oh
[17:32:34] <Kyrin>	I wasn't aware that it did
[17:32:45] <Kyrin>	Can you point me to the docs for that?
[17:34:49] <ialex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#UDP_updates
[17:35:00] <Kyrin>	Thanks much
[17:42:33] <Kyrin>	I wonder if I can use epic instead of ircII
[17:58:48] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29898 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesTe.php: Localisation updates. Output of import from te.wikipedia.
[18:04:44] <ialex>	erm, why does Article::getDB() return the master ?
[18:05:25] <VasilievVV>	ialex: because it's used to write to the database
[18:05:29] <VasilievVV>	i guess
[18:05:45] <ialex>	VasilievVV: the comment is "Get the database which should be used for reads"
[18:06:30] <VasilievVV>	{{sofixit}}
[18:19:21] <Simetrical>	ialex doesn't have commit access, I don't think.
[18:19:34] <VasilievVV>	Simetrical: bugzilla is public :)
[18:19:53] <Simetrical>	That's not {{sofixit}}, that's {{soreportit}}.  Which he just did, on IRC.  :P
[18:20:47] <ialex>	Simetrical: maye it would be better to use directly wfGetDB instead of $this->GetDB
[18:20:55] <Simetrical>	Maybe.  I dunno.
[18:21:30] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10danny_b)
[18:23:48] <AlexSm>	Danny_B: the way you closed 12667 suggests that maybe you misunderstood
[18:24:21] <AlexSm>	it is unfortunate that other users were talking about content (istead of using older bug), but this request was only about a list
[18:24:42] <Danny_B>	was it?
[18:25:03] <AlexSm>	2nd line: > Just the list, not the actual content (which was requested in
[18:25:03] <AlexSm>	[[bugzilla:12524]])
[18:25:22] <Simetrical>	It used to be that anyone could see lists of deleted contribs.
[18:25:36] <Simetrical>	That was disabled when people started leaving libel, etc. in edit summaries.
[18:26:02] <Wiredtape>	leaving libel?
[18:26:06] <Simetrical>	And so on, yeah.
[18:26:10] <Simetrical>	Private information, whatever.
[18:26:19] <Simetrical>	Legally problematic stuff, which sysops couldn't remove.
[18:26:28] <Danny_B>	well sorry then, nothing easier than to reopen with more detailed description. however i still think not even the list should be available
[18:26:51] <flyingparchment>	i see not reason to not allow a user to see something he wrote himself
[18:27:38] <Simetrical>	flyingparchment, users generally don't write whole revisions.  Allowing that would allow users to read the entire revision even if parts not by them were deleted for good reason.
[18:27:49] <Danny_B>	eg. summaries can contain personal data or offences
[18:27:55] <Simetrical>	Furthermore, I could then upload a copyrighted work and be able to retrieve it for personal use from Wikipedia indefinitely.
[18:27:56] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: no, since the bug is only about showing the contributions list
[18:28:01] <Simetrical>	Oh, that.
[18:28:16] <Simetrical>	In terms of the edit summaries.
[18:28:20] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I guess there's not much problem.
[18:28:36] <Danny_B>	what would the list be for if you can't see the content?
[18:28:53] <flyingparchment>	Danny_B: so you know what you've edited?
[18:29:02] <Simetrical>	To verify that your contribution was actually deleted, and that you weren't hallucinating when you thought you edited the page.
[18:29:20] <AlexSm>	correct,  the purpose was stated in the 1st post
[18:29:23] <Danny_B>	flyingparchment: i actually do, but i'm ufo
[18:29:39] <flyingparchment>	really?  i don't remember what i edited in 2005
[18:29:46] <Danny_B>	ok, i'll reopen it
[18:31:28] <Wiredtape>	What happens when there is a request to remove infringing content? How do you remove content from "history" ...etc.
[18:32:10] <flyingparchment>	Wiredtape: for minor cases, it's just reverted.  otherwise it's possible to delete the article and undeleted selected revisions
[18:32:15] <flyingparchment>	(which can be used to remove the cv)
[18:32:18] *brion-coffee 	pirates harry potter one edit summary at a time</evil>
[18:32:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10danny_b)
[18:33:40] <Wiredtape>	not sure what "undeleted selected revisions" means...
[18:34:32] <Danny_B>	Wiredtape: you delete entire article and then undelete only such revisions of it
[18:34:41] <Wiredtape>	ahh...
[18:34:43] <Danny_B>	thus "bad" revisions keep deleted
[18:34:48] <Danny_B>	s/keep/stay
[18:35:03] <Wiredtape>	thx
[18:40:08] <CIA-41>	03nikerabbit * r29899 10/trunk/extensions/I18nTags/I18nTags.php: * Use hook if available
[18:41:12] <CIA-41>	03shinjiman * r29900 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[18:41:12] <CIA-41>	* Update Chinese translations
[18:41:12] <CIA-41>	* Update Cantonese translations
[18:41:12] <CIA-41>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[18:43:02] <jelle__>	ah. I transferred a wiki from one server to another. All works fine, except for the (uploaded) images... the images are in the wiki/images directory, I can access them directly through the webserver, but not on my wikipages... where should I start looking?
[18:46:55] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb around?
[18:50:20] <jelle__>	instead of showing the picture, it shows:  picture:xxxx.gif   as text, I can click it and it tells me I can upload a new picture...
[19:00:22] <csarven>	can <abbr> be used?
[19:00:45] <Simetrical>	csarven, no.
[19:01:47] <csarven>	im running into a lot of shortcomings when trying to mix mediawiki and microformats
[19:02:19] <csarven>	mediawiki entries that is
[19:04:17] <jelle__>	when reuploading the images, it creates a images/1/1a directory. is this normal?
[19:04:31] <Simetrical>	jelle__, yes.
[19:04:39] <jelle__>	is it new?
[19:04:45] <Simetrical>	New as in how new?
[19:04:59] <brion>	jelle__: it's normal and very old :)
[19:05:00] <jelle__>	well, the dump of the old wiki i had, didn't have that
[19:05:09] <brion>	it's possible though that your old wiki was configured to disable that
[19:05:09] <jelle__>	I'll look again...
[19:05:15] <jelle__>	ah.
[19:05:34] <jelle__>	can I disable it in the new wiki was well?
[19:05:46] <brion>	$wgHashedUploadDirectory	= true;
[19:05:52] <brion>	set that to false in your LocalSettings.php
[19:09:16] <jelle__>	right. that helps. 
[19:09:36] <jelle__>	can i also enable all the pictures in the wikitexts again, without reuploading the pictures?
[19:09:47] <jelle__>	they are in the /images directory already
[19:20:21] <jelle__>	brion: that was a good tip, but the pictures are still not shoing in the pages, unless I upload such picture again. I can see nothing special about the uploading, since the pictures are already in that directory. any clues on that?
[19:22:27] <jelle__>	could there be a problem with a language difference, maybe the picture is there but the page that should include the picture ("Afbeelding:Bd001.jpg") is not?
[19:24:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  (10axel9891)
[19:26:44] <AaronSchulz>	brion: I wonder if the delete limit can be upped a little.
[19:26:58] <AaronSchulz>	heh, all the more reason for revisiondelete :) [/plug]
[19:28:51] <brion>	jelle__: cached pages.
[19:29:04] <jelle__>	I did purge...
[19:29:06] <brion>	or otherwise double-check your output and confirm that re-rendering helps.
[19:31:39] <jelle__>	ouch. losing me there. how do I confirm that rerendering helps?
[19:31:47] <jelle__>	(i just truncated the objectcache)
[19:32:34] <jelle__>	no changes.
[19:33:12] <jelle__>	strange: the imagelinks tables is filled, the image table is empty
[19:33:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Set favicon for Test Wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12670 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny_b)
[19:36:06] <AphelionZ>	hey everybody - I'm trying to get 1.12alpha r29886 running on my dedicated server and I am running into issues, namely a 500 error when I browse to the wiki URL. Can anybody help me troubleshoot?
[19:38:03] <AphelionZ>	The error logs don't help much: Thu Jan 17 13:37:03 2008] [error] [client xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] Premature end of script headers: /home/xxx/public_html/wiki/index.php
[19:38:58] <amidaniel>	What bersion of php / mysql are you running?
[19:39:11] <amidaniel>	s/bersion/version
[19:41:00] <AphelionZ>	PHP 5.2.4
[19:41:15] <AphelionZ>	mysql 5.0.27-standard-log
[19:41:27] <amidaniel>	Okay
[19:41:40] <amidaniel>	Have you run the config/index.php script?
[19:41:48] <brion>	AphelionZ: premature end of script headers usually means PHP crashed
[19:41:51] <brion>	that's.... bad :D
[19:41:58] <AphelionZ>	brion: oh my
[19:42:13] <AphelionZ>	is there anything I can do? I have full root access to the server so..
[19:42:18] <AphelionZ>	and I NEED the API for this project
[19:42:22] <AphelionZ>	need need need
[19:43:27] <AphelionZ>	amidaniel: config/index.php causes the 500 error as well
[19:43:55] <amidaniel>	Ah, okay. So have you been able to get any php to work on this server?
[19:44:19] <amidaniel>	E.g., will a simple <?php echo("Hello, world!"); ?> work?
[19:44:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &lrm; and left-to-right marker disappear when translations are exported - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12562  (10huji.huji)
[19:45:00] <AphelionZ>	yeah, version 1.11 works fine
[19:45:03] <AphelionZ>	which sucks :(
[19:45:22] <amidaniel>	Hmm .. and it's still working fine right now?
[19:45:35] <amidaniel>	Have you restarted apache since the first crash?
[19:46:00] <AphelionZ>	havent restarted.
[19:46:07] <AphelionZ>	see? http://wikibondev.org/mediawiki-1.11.0/ vs http://wikibondev.org/wiki/
[19:46:11] <AphelionZ>	the latter is 1.12
[19:47:29] <AphelionZ>	brion: what kind of funky cutting edge PHP have you guys written?? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???
[19:48:18] <AphelionZ>	wikipedia is running the same revision successfully so i know it's gotta be me / my server
[19:49:25] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Can you provide a link to a phpinfo?
[19:49:34] <AphelionZ>	absolutely
[19:49:53] <AphelionZ>	http://wikibondev.org/phpinfo.php
[19:51:27] <AphelionZ>	and I downloaded it via 'svn checkout http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 wiki' and then I ran 'svn up -r29886'
[19:51:54] <amidaniel>	hmm...
[19:51:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki on iPhone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12668  -shell ; +comment (10jeluf)
[19:51:58] <AphelionZ>	nothing too wild and crazy i imagine
[19:52:14] <Simetrical>	Hey, svn up works with non-HEAD revisions.  I should have thought of that.
[19:52:44] <amidaniel>	Well, HEAD is working just fine for me
[19:53:22] <amidaniel>	I don't see anything in your phpinfo that really stands out
[19:54:32] <AphelionZ>	yeah, i dont really know where else to look :( :(
[19:54:38] <AphelionZ>	I suppose I'll try #apache
[19:54:43] <AphelionZ>	and then maybe ##php
[19:54:43] <amidaniel>	Is it possible svn may have botched up the files? I've had that happen to me a few times
[19:54:54] <AphelionZ>	amidaniel: it's possible, i suppose
[19:55:11] <AphelionZ>	is there any way to prevent that? maybe i should try deleting the files and re checking them out a few times?
[19:55:17] <amidaniel>	Can't hurt
[19:56:09] <AphelionZ>	brion, simetrical: can you guys confirm that http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 is the right svn address for the 1.12alpha 
[19:56:19] <Simetrical>	Yes, it is.
[19:56:22] <AphelionZ>	thanks
[19:56:25] *amidaniel 	can confirm that, even though he wasn't asked :(
[19:56:38] <AphelionZ>	amidaniel: sorry! are you a dev?
[19:56:49] <amidaniel>	yah
[19:56:57] <AphelionZ>	cool, nice to meet you
[19:56:59] <AphelionZ>	and great work :)
[19:57:10] <amidaniel>	Very little of it's mine, but thanks :)
[19:57:48] <AphelionZ>	blah, same error
[19:58:01] <amidaniel>	Hmm
[19:58:27] <amidaniel>	Can you open up index.php with vim or less and make sure it looks alright?
[19:58:31] <amidaniel>	I.e., has an EOF, etc.
[19:58:59] <AphelionZ>	looks fine
[19:59:20] <amidaniel>	Huh, well, I've no idea then :)
[19:59:23] <AphelionZ>	there's also these .php and .php5 files
[19:59:29] <amidaniel>	Yeah, that's normal
[19:59:34] <amidaniel>	They were in the 1.11 rel. too
[19:59:43] <AphelionZ>	k
[20:00:27] <AphelionZ>	http://rafb.net/p/GllLso45.html
[20:00:29] <AphelionZ>	that's my index
[20:00:36] <AphelionZ>	looks perfectly fine to me :(
[20:00:48] <amidaniel>	Yeah, looks fine
[20:00:52] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[20:01:02] <amidaniel>	Are all the files in the directory readable by the webserver?
[20:01:11] <amidaniel>	(Shouldn't produce a 500 if they aren't, but who knows)
[20:03:03] <AphelionZ>	index.php is 644
[20:03:15] <AphelionZ>	I assume the rest are as well.. is there a command to list all the permissions
[20:03:27] <amidaniel>	Yeah, ls -la
[20:03:38] <amidaniel>	Or ls -Rla to see all the files in subdirectories too
[20:04:38] <AphelionZ>	yeah, r's all across the board
[20:04:42] <Simetrical>	find -perm o-r will work nicely.
[20:05:04] <AphelionZ>	oh! and also if i run php index.php from the command prompt it works
[20:05:16] <amidaniel>	Simetrical: indeed it will :)
[20:05:33] <amidaniel>	Hmm
[20:05:41] <Simetrical>	Could be a mod_php problem?
[20:06:17] <amidaniel>	Should affect the 1.11 install too though, methinks
[20:09:27] <Simetrical>	Who knows.
[20:10:06] <AphelionZ>	how come all the other channels can't be as helpful as you guys
[20:10:18] <amidaniel>	Because we rule
[20:10:19] <amidaniel>	:)
[20:12:19] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29901 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[20:12:19] <CIA-41>	* change ParserDiffTest.i18n.php format
[20:12:19] <CIA-41>	* add ParserDiffTest support to translate and add to WMF extensions group
[20:12:19] <CIA-41>	* add zea to LocalNamesEn.php in cldr
[20:12:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wiki on iPhone - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12668  (10mczeke)
[20:12:50] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29902 10/trunk/extensions/ParserDiffTest/ParserDiffTest.i18n.php: Fix syntax error
[20:14:34] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29903 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: Typo monster in da house.
[20:16:53] <AphelionZ>	siiiigh...
[20:16:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change import sources for enwikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12665  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:17:11] <AphelionZ>	Simetrical, can you tell me how to debug/troubleshoot the possible mod_php problem?
[20:17:14] <AphelionZ>	is there a log somewhere?
[20:17:22] <Simetrical>	Other than the PHP error log?
[20:17:29] <AphelionZ>	amidaniel, im sure you know the answer too :)
[20:18:07] <amidaniel>	hehe :)
[20:18:27] <AphelionZ>	hmmmmm apparently i have more than one php.ini file
[20:18:29] <AphelionZ>	excellent..
[20:18:34] <AphelionZ>	could be part of the problem
[20:20:04] <Simetrical>	AphelionZ, phpinfo() should tell you which is the one being used.
[20:20:43] <amidaniel>	/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[20:21:16] <AphelionZ>	 /usr/local/Zend/etc51/php.ini !
[20:21:19] <AphelionZ>	apparently.
[20:21:37] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: No, that's not it
[20:21:37] <AphelionZ>	right?
[20:21:48] <amidaniel>	According to your phpinfo, at least, it's the other one
[20:21:55] <AphelionZ>	http://wikibondev.org/phpinfo.php
[20:22:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  +comment (10huji.huji)
[20:22:07] <AphelionZ>	im looking sixth thing down
[20:23:35] <AphelionZ>	am I looking at the wrong thing? are we looking at the same thing?
[20:26:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  (10axel9891)
[20:27:15] <amidaniel>	Ohhh ... lol. I had multiple phpinfos open and was looking at the wrong one :D
[20:27:18] <amidaniel>	SOrry
[20:27:27] <amidaniel>	Yes, you're right
[20:41:17] <AphelionZ>	something is amiss, i can't get it to log errors either
[20:52:38] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Have you set error_reporting = E_ALL; in your php.ini ?
[20:53:14] <AphelionZ>	E_All & ~E_NOTICE
[20:55:19] <AphelionZ>	oh ok it's working now
[20:55:27] <debian-is-me>	Hello
[20:55:39] <AphelionZ>	but http://wikibond.org/wiki/ still doesn't produce any errors in the php log
[20:55:45] <debian-is-me>	I want to make a php project in something similar to media wiki?
[20:56:26] <Kyrin>	flyingparchment or ialex: do either of you have any experience with the UDP updates -> IRC?
[20:56:55] <ialex>	Kyrin: no
[20:57:45] <Kyrin>	k
[20:57:56] <Kyrin>	just 'cause it seems to stop working after like 5 mins or so
[20:58:39] <Kyrin>	I'll try it with the actual perl script, I was using the quick and easy netcat method
[20:58:57] <debian-is-me>	But
[20:59:00] <debian-is-me>	I need help
[20:59:29] <debian-is-me>	I want to use wikipedia as an developing platform in php, ho has allready done this?
[21:00:04] <darkcode>	mediawiki is written in php
[21:00:56] <debian-is-me>	Yes
[21:01:08] <AphelionZ>	hey check this out
[21:01:09] <debian-is-me>	But I want to use mediawiki as launchpad
[21:01:20] <debian-is-me>	without the crappy software
[21:02:08] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki *is* the software.  You want to use MediaWiki, without MediaWiki?
[21:02:17] <AphelionZ>	when i run php index.php from the command line it works fine, right? but when i run php public_html/wiki/index.php from a few directories away i get these errors
[21:02:31] <AphelionZ>	Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required './includes/WebStart.php' (include_path='.:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php') in /home/wikibond/public_html/wiki/index.php on line 38
[21:03:03] <AphelionZ>	also, some guy in #apache says.. AphelionZ, premature end of script headers means that apache didn't get a Content-Type: <something>\n\n from your CGI script.
[21:03:18] <Kyrin>	o_O
[21:03:21] <Kyrin>	cgi script?
[21:03:30] <AphelionZ>	yeah well everything is a cgi script to those guys
[21:03:34] <debian-is-me>	No, I want launchpads features without any localhost software
[21:03:54] <AphelionZ>	but I'm really more interested in that Fatal PHP error
[21:04:30] <ialex>	AphelionZ: try to use chdir() and set it to the directory of index.php
[21:04:45] <AphelionZ>	ialex: hmm ok!
[21:04:59] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Move some pages from enwikibooks to enwikiversity - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12659  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:05:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667  (10AlexSm)
[21:05:05] <ialex>	like chdir( '/home/wikibond/public_html/wiki' );
[21:05:26] <ialex>	just before including index.php
[21:06:31] <AphelionZ>	ialex: great idea
[21:06:33] <AphelionZ>	but..
[21:06:35] <AphelionZ>	no dice :(
[21:07:06] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29904 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (23 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-17 22:50 CET)
[21:07:36] <AphelionZ>	actually I just typed echo "test"; die(); right at the beginning of index.php and it crashed
[21:07:40] <JoKo>	Hi, I use MediaWiki with lots of math in articles and it has started to get very slow... Is there any way to speed up things?
[21:08:13] <Simetrical>	JoKo, I doubt the math is the reason.
[21:08:14] <AphelionZ>	is there supposed to be a .htaccess file for 1.12?
[21:08:31] <ialex>	AphelionZ: the index.php of MediaWiki ?
[21:08:35] <carl-m>	JoKo: have you imported a lot of articles lately? 
[21:08:38] <AphelionZ>	ialex: yeah!
[21:08:56] <AphelionZ>	have you been following our discussion? I'm trying to figure out why 1.11 works and 1.12 causes a 500 error
[21:09:01] <AphelionZ>	http://wikibondev.org/wiki/
[21:09:03] <JoKo>	carl-m: no, instead of that, I've created a lot of articles...
[21:09:11] <AphelionZ>	vs http://wikibondev.org/mediawiki-1.11.0/
[21:09:23] <carl-m>	you may want to check that your job queue is not too long. you can run it from the maintenance directory
[21:09:30] <ialex>	AphelionZ: this seems to be an error in .htaccess
[21:09:40] <carl-m>	if the job queue is not long, then the math is probably not the issue
[21:09:52] <AphelionZ>	i dont have an htaccess :(
[21:09:54] <JoKo>	carl-m: how to check the job queue?
[21:09:56] <AphelionZ>	this could be the problem!
[21:10:05] <Wiredtape>	JoKo, special:statistics
[21:10:24] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29905 10/trunk/extensions/ (39 files in 37 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-17 22:50 CET)
[21:10:26] <AphelionZ>	but my 1.11 install doesnt have one either from what I can tell
[21:10:26] <carl-m>	The job queue length is currently 202,050. on English Wikipedia
[21:10:28] <neoneurone>	hi all, I've modified a local MediaWiki:Common.css, how can I tell Wikimedia to purge the cache for all users ?
[21:11:07] <ialex>	AphelionZ: or you modified httpd.conf ?
[21:11:49] <AphelionZ>	i barely even know where httpd.conf is
[21:11:57] <ialex>	AphelionZ: have you access to the error_log ?
[21:12:19] <AphelionZ>	my php error log doesnt say anything, and im getting a premature end of script headers in my apache log
[21:12:45] <ialex>	this seems to be an apache problem, not a php problem
[21:13:15] <JoKo>	carl-m, I use the greek language in my wiki and there isn't anything like job queue...
[21:14:22] <carl-m>	JoKo: just execute 'php runJobs.php' in the maintenance directory. that will empty the job queue
[21:14:42] <AphelionZ>	ialex: i know but #apache hasnt been very helpful, not nearly as helpful as this room has been and i feel like i'm so close to getting it to work
[21:15:23] <carl-m>	this is only relationship between math and slow running I am aware of. otherwise, the slowness is for some other reason
[21:15:43] <JoKo>	carl-m: I did it, but there was no output, maybe there aren't any jobs?
[21:15:44] <ialex>	AphelionZ: you are sure you haven't any .htaccess in /home/wikibond/public_html/wiki directory ?
[21:16:07] <carl-m>	yes, that's probably true. so the job queue isn't the issue, and I don't know what is
[21:18:51] <AphelionZ>	ialex: here's my directory listing http://rafb.net/p/x9ti9X44.html
[21:19:11] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r29906 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesAv.php): 
[21:19:11] <CIA-41>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[21:19:11] <CIA-41>	* adding messages imported from av.wikipedia
[21:19:22] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: WOa, you're missing a lot of files there
[21:19:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new prefix WP: for Polish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12515  (10xarak)
[21:19:35] <AphelionZ>	amidaniel: o
[21:19:37] <amidaniel>	Gah, woops, nevermind
[21:19:44] <AphelionZ>	haha
[21:19:48] <amidaniel>	:)
[21:19:55] *amidaniel 	goes to hide in a corner somewhere :P
[21:20:00] <AphelionZ>	but no .htaccess
[21:20:08] <AphelionZ>	#apache is no help
[21:20:32] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Can you post an ls -la ?
[21:20:54] <AphelionZ>	sure
[21:21:20] <AphelionZ>	http://rafb.net/p/sW3oGO56.html
[21:21:27] <ThomasV>	"ls -la"
[21:22:03] <amidaniel>	Yikes, why is everything owned by root?
[21:22:12] <amidaniel>	It's not the cause of your problem, but still bad practice
[21:22:18] <AphelionZ>	because im terrible at linux :p
[21:22:25] <AphelionZ>	but let's leave that alone for the time being
[21:23:40] <AphelionZ>	I just want to code my php and be done with my day :)
[21:24:08] <amidaniel>	Alright :))
[21:24:22] <AphelionZ>	but i just can't for the life of me figure out what the hell is causing this 500 error and it makes me sad all day
[21:24:33] <amidaniel>	And all that's in your apache / php logs in the early term of script?
[21:24:59] <AphelionZ>	yep
[21:25:09] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: re
[21:25:24] <AphelionZ>	and the jerk in #apache says AphelionZ, of COURSE you're still getting it. you aren't giving it the MINIMUM needed, which is Content-Type: text/html\n\n. This is NOT ##PHP and NOT #mediawiki. Use one of those.
[21:25:27] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Can you stick a simple hello, world script in that directory and see if it works?
[21:25:33] <AphelionZ>	k
[21:25:49] <amidaniel>	I don't think it's an apache problem .. could be, though
[21:25:56] <AphelionZ>	hmmm
[21:25:59] <AphelionZ>	ok
[21:26:03] <AphelionZ>	i can't even create a new file in there
[21:26:07] <AphelionZ>	now we're getting somewhere
[21:26:19] <amidaniel>	Because it's owned by root
[21:26:29] <amidaniel>	You need to su / sudo to edit that dir.
[21:26:43] <amidaniel>	That or chown it back to a regular user
[21:27:07] <AphelionZ>	whats the chown command
[21:27:10] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki dir owned by root?...
[21:27:17] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Yeah :)
[21:27:20] <Duesentrieb>	might be a very bad idea, at least in case you are using suphp...
[21:27:29] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: sudo chown -R wikibond:nobody wiki/
[21:27:40] <Duesentrieb>	i'd hope suphp catches that. but i'm not sure it does
[21:28:39] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Do you think the file ownership alone could cause php to crash?
[21:28:54] <AphelionZ>	http://wikibondev.org/wiki/
[21:28:56] <AphelionZ>	:D
[21:28:57] <AphelionZ>	:D
[21:28:59] <AphelionZ>	:D
[21:29:01] <AphelionZ>	i think it did!
[21:29:01] <Duesentrieb>	no. does it crash, really?
[21:29:11] <AphelionZ>	it used to, doesnt anymore
[21:29:20] <Duesentrieb>	but wrong file permissions on .htaccess, for example, can cause a 500
[21:29:29] <AphelionZ>	no, look!
[21:29:31] <AphelionZ>	it works now
[21:29:36] <amidaniel>	Lol, congrats :)
[21:29:39] <AphelionZ>	haha
[21:29:41] <AphelionZ>	i know, right?
[21:29:43] <Duesentrieb>	good :)
[21:29:45] <AphelionZ>	after that magic chown
[21:29:53] <amidaniel>	Hmm ...
[21:29:55] *amidaniel 	goes to test this
[21:30:09] <ialex>	erm, i like this http://wikibondev.org/wiki/config/index.php :(
[21:30:39] <Duesentrieb>	amidaniel: he's using cgi mode... maybe with suphp?
[21:30:41] <darkcode>	your die() from earlier killed it, that's not crashing though
[21:31:14] <Duesentrieb>	ialex: hm? i would have expected that. no?
[21:31:17] <AphelionZ>	darkcode: no thats not it
[21:31:42] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: Must be. just chowned a files and its dir to root:root on my comp and had no problems
[21:31:53] <ialex>	Duesentrieb: yes, but anybody can try to configure it (if he have the passwords)
[21:32:01] <AphelionZ>	dont touch it!
[21:32:03] <AphelionZ>	haha
[21:32:20] <ialex>	i won't touch it :)
[21:32:39] <amidaniel>	ialex: If you have the sql passwords you could do a lot more harm than install mediawiki :P
[21:32:39] <AphelionZ>	Duesentrieb: what do you think was causing the problem?
[21:32:59] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Do you have the suphp module installed on the server?
[21:33:12] <amidaniel>	phpinfo says nothing about it, but I'm not sure if it would be listed there
[21:33:37] <AphelionZ>	i dont know
[21:34:47] <amidaniel>	AphelionZ: Well, basically what seems to be happening is that your apache user was attempting to execute the php script as root, because its owner was root. But apache didn't have the apropriate permissions to execute the file as root, so it died
[21:35:15] <AphelionZ>	well, im glad it works
[21:35:19] <AphelionZ>	you guys kick ass
[21:35:20] <amidaniel>	Me too :)
[21:35:23] <AphelionZ>	thanks for everything!
[21:35:29] <amidaniel>	Yeah, no problem
[21:35:51] <amidaniel>	Now remember, doing things as root that don't need to be done as root is evil :P
[21:36:03] <AphelionZ>	haha alright, i just learned the hard way
[21:44:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault on enwikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12666  +comment (10jeluf)
[21:52:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set favicon for Test Wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12670  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:02:53] <Area411>	How would I go about adding a link to the side navigation for the community forums?
[22:03:21] <Splarka>	!sidebar
[22:03:21] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[22:05:10] <fiddan>	hello, i need some basic html help :)
[22:05:24] <Wiredtape>	fiddan, have you tried #html ? :)
[22:08:14] <fiddan>	Wiredtape: hehe yes :)
[22:09:48] <Wiredtape>	what do you need?
[22:10:49] <matx2pt0>	lol
[22:10:57] <matx2pt0>	oops
[22:11:44] <fiddan>	Wiredtape: i hve downloaded an login script to my wiki.. and i want www.mywiki.com links to www.mywiki.com/login/login.php
[22:14:01] <Wiredtape>	so you want to add a link? or you want it to redirect to login.php?
[22:17:04] <Area411>	Is there any way to direct them to another page on my site?
[22:17:57] <Area411>	Nevermind
[22:21:59] <Wiredtape>	Anyone know of a really nice looking wiki? or wiki skin?
[22:23:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Switch logo for bg.wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12671 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (b.manolov)
[22:33:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Wikipedia: namespace alias for sv.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12661  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:33:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Monobook skin doesn't take care of $wgDocType and $wgDTD - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12672 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (alex.emsenhuber)
[22:35:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Switch logo for bg.wikiquote - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12671  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:39:33] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Re-enable upload on Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12642  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:45:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:46:10] *kibble 	huggles jeluf
[22:51:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Internet Explorer renders extra whitespace for external links that wrap lines in Monobook - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12104  (10gangleri)
[22:55:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Create new prefix WP: for Polish Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12515  +comment (10jeluf)
[22:56:07] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  +comment (10gangleri)
[22:56:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640  (10gangleri)
[23:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) New "Site closing requests" component - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12599  +comment (10jeluf)
[23:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Change "Site requests" component to "Site creation requests" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12598  +comment (10jeluf)
[23:12:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create the group "test-sysop" for the Wikimedia Incubator - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10727  (10cbrown1023)
[23:14:36] <Duesentrieb>	hm... list=search is broken in api.php?
[23:14:40] <Duesentrieb>	that sucks...
[23:17:09] <amidaniel>	Duesentrieb: It's incompatible with lucene
[23:17:17] <Duesentrieb>	bah.
[23:17:23] <amidaniel>	Problem on lucene's end, not the api :P
[23:17:48] <Duesentrieb>	well, i imagine, it's really aproblem with the interface defined for search engine plugins.
[23:17:55] <Duesentrieb>	it's too html-centric
[23:18:28] <Duesentrieb>	opensearch works... kind of.
[23:18:38] <Duesentrieb>	that only does a prefix search, right?
[23:18:44] <amidaniel>	Does it? hmmm .. no clue
[23:19:40] <Duesentrieb>	seems like it
[23:19:42] <Duesentrieb>	useless
[23:20:01] <Duesentrieb>	so... i'm back to good ol' "grep the html"
[23:20:04] <Duesentrieb>	:/
[23:20:39] <amidaniel>	hehe :)
[23:20:57] <amidaniel>	Well, supposedly it's really easy to fix the lucene and other search extensions
[23:21:04] <amidaniel>	At least according to tim
[23:21:13] <amidaniel>	Just haven't taken the time to sit down and look at it
[23:39:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) updaters.inc will never load interwiki.sql - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12200  (10N/A)