[00:00:58] erm, which Feed generator can be used with the latest version? i currently have WikiArticleFeeds -> it is ugly, i think it needs too much human labor to produce the feed... I cant setup rss export, following the wiki guide i end up with a whole lot of errors [00:00:58] any advice? [00:01:19] BrokenArrow, you can undelete images . . . [00:01:36] aeolist, what kind of feed do you want? Article histories have RSS and Atom feeds in the core software. [00:01:43] 03siebrand * r30007 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (11 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-21 1:00 CET) [00:02:07] Simetrical: and select some specific revision of the image description page, too? [00:02:21] Simetrical: i want a news rss feed [00:02:28] 03(mod) Some edits only show when logged in. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12696 (10brett) [00:02:53] currently what we do is we have a news page with and every time someone adds a news, he removes the oldest one and moves it to an old_news page [00:02:59] BrokenArrow, I dunno. [00:03:03] or at least i think that's what happens... [00:03:26] tks, will test [00:03:27] aeolist, I don't know, then. Generally that kind of thing is done with either bots or DynamicPageList, AFAIK. [00:03:29] !dpl [00:03:29] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [00:03:37] DPL is pretty heavy-weight, though. [00:04:08] It's what's used on Wikinews, but everyone refuses to enable it on the bigger Wikimedia projects because it would probably melt the database servers. [00:04:21] 03aaron * r30008 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: Use percents [00:05:41] 03siebrand * r30009 10/trunk/extensions/ (28 files in 27 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-21 01:00 CET) [00:06:00] actually, each news item is not a separate page [00:06:10] maybe i just need the News extension [00:06:27] *Werdna waves, this time from Sydney [00:15:27] aeolist, have you been pointed to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:RSS_extensions yet? [00:15:42] aeolist, I think wiki article-feeds could be quite nice, if you'd enhance it a little. [00:16:16] Splarka: i have already read all that, didnt find much useful stuff [00:16:21] (like proper date and author tags) [00:16:52] jamasi: unfortunately, i dont have time/etc to tinker with extensions, i just need something that works :) [00:17:35] perhapps I'll do this in a 1-2 months timeframe [00:17:52] (I'm looking for a good extension to blog as well) [00:18:35] is it clear what i am looking for? [00:19:02] i need to produce an rss feed of the first 10 paragraphs of a page [00:19:05] or something similar [00:19:13] Question about Regular expression syntax. Would it be correct to say that * acts like an elipsis, so that overflow:\s*auto will find "overflow" followed by " auto" regardless of what might be between. It will not, however, find "overflow:auto" [00:19:37] one could easily hack that into the extension. [00:20:22] (if you do it quick & dirty you should be ready in at max 30 min. [00:20:34] I mean "overflow:" followed by " auto" or "overflow: " followed by "auto" (space on either side) [00:20:48] Steev43230: it will find zero to infinite whitespaces in that case [00:20:58] overflow:auto overflow: auto overflow: auto [00:21:10] rssExport _is_ broken for the latest mediawiki? [00:21:41] note you have to escape the colon though [00:21:43] But doesn't the \s require it to look for a space between "overflow:" and "auto"? [00:21:58] asterisk means "zero or more", maybe you want plus [00:22:11] overflow\:\s+auto [00:22:13] I'm just trying to unserstand the manual [00:22:30] 03aaron * r30010 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: Tweak [00:22:50] each platform has minutely different syntax interpretation for regex too [00:24:04] overflow\:\s+auto will skip "overflow:auto" and catch "overflow: auto" "overflow: auto" etc [00:24:55] So \s* means to look for 0 or more spaces? [00:25:03] mmm, jamasi i re-read what wikiarticle feeds does [00:25:11] whitespaces, not quite the same thing [00:25:18] it might include tabs, for example [00:25:20] i dont know why we had considered it as inadequate [00:25:22] spaces, tabes [00:25:25] tabs [00:25:31] hard spaces [00:25:32] i'll recheck with my guys back at our base [00:25:33] etc. [00:25:33] okay, you know {} syntax? [00:25:35] right? [00:25:47] a{1,3} will find 1 to 3 of the letter a in a row [00:25:56] a aa aaa but not aaaa (will only match the first 3) [00:26:05] You can write what I know with 0 letters of the alphabet [00:26:29] a{1} will find exactly one, a{3} exactly 3, a{1,} will find 1 or more, a{4,} 4 or more, etc [00:26:36] What I'm trying to do is comment my very simple $wgRegEx line in LocalSettings.php [00:26:45] $wgSpamRegex [00:26:47] a? = a{0,1} [00:26:52] a+ = a{1,} [00:26:56] a* = a{0,} [00:27:10] right [00:27:24] what does this line do: $wgSpamRegex = "/". ? [00:27:43] should add nothing to the spam regex [00:28:52] But http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSpamRegex#A_Large_Example [00:29:40] right, that is adding more [00:29:49] the / and /i at the end are the wrappers [00:30:00] Adding more what? What is the purpose of the "\" ? [00:30:13] \ is the escape character, / is the regex wrapper [00:30:32] /regex/parameters [00:30:43] parameters include i (ignore case) g (global) etc [00:30:54] Ok, my question was only abotu $wgSpamRegex = "/". - why they start the expression with that line [00:30:56] on wikimedia, I believe this is still in the wgSpamRegex: overflow: auto; height [00:31:06] because regular expressions start with / [00:31:10] OH! [00:31:16] in the code [00:31:29] for spamregex, you might use something other than /, like , or {} [00:31:30] but on a wiki page like m:Spam_Blacklist, they aren't needed [00:31:44] the reason it starts with / is the first character sets the terminator [00:31:57] HOw come on the manual there isn't a "/" at the end? [00:31:58] ,a/b,i and /a\/b/i are the same, but the former is easier to read [00:32:38] flying: is the wmf spam blacklist still treated as one giant regex or is it split now? [00:32:52] *Splarka remembers wikia's running out of space and having to be split, heh [00:32:54] i don't know anything about the spam blacklist [00:33:00] i think tim increased the max size a while ago [00:33:04] k [00:33:26] How come http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSpamRegex#A_Large_Example doesn show a "/" at the end? [00:33:41] Should it? [00:33:45] "/i"; //Make the test case-insensitive [00:33:54] it does, just before the parameter [00:33:55] Steev43230: the first / is the start. the second / is the end. everything following the end, i.e. 'i', is the flags [00:34:17] I see. Thanks. [00:34:30] if you need a / in the regex, be sure to escape it with \ [00:35:26] Should this line have a pipe preceding the final quotation mark? "display\s*:\s*none". [00:35:49] I guess not - because the very next line is the last line [00:35:50] no, because | is used to separate two strings, either of which can match [00:36:03] i'm sure google has a tutorial on using regular expressions somewhere.. [00:37:06] <^demon|away> Quick API question: What would be the easiest way to replicate this output (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{:Bruno_Maddox}}) only with an old id specified. [00:38:55] why do we use regexes for spam blacklisting? [00:39:10] It adds so much pointless processing overhead [00:39:33] ^demon|away: doesn't seem possible [00:39:39] Werdna: isn't it disabled right now for that reason? [00:39:43] Werdna: it's fine for the regex [00:39:48] ^demon|away: you can sort of do that with action=render though [00:39:50] Werdna: the spamblacklist extension probably doesn't need it [00:40:13] I mean, how many times do we actually use the regex functionality of spamblacklist anyway? [00:40:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&action=render&oldid=12345 just returns the html of the revision [00:41:23] Werdna: sofixit, maybe split the spam blacklist into two parts, a regex and an index search, with two corresponding sections on the wiki to edit [00:41:24] Ryan_Lane: title blacklist is disabled, not spam blacklist [00:41:36] flyingparchment: ahhh. ok. [00:42:03] title blacklist, sans regexes, is in core. [00:42:11] Werdna: and also disabled [00:42:19] <^demon|away> Splarka: That's what I thought. I was thinking the *easiest* way to get all that info (actually, minus prop=text, don't need that), but be able to specify an oldID. I guess it'll just be easier to grab each one by itself, using action=query instead. [00:42:24] Shouldn't "display\s*:\s*none". be "display:\s*none". ? [00:42:39] Steev43230: no, since "display : none" is valid css, afaik [00:42:45] <^demon|away> It is. [00:42:50] flyingparchment: the protectedtitles stuff is disabled on wikimedia? [00:43:05] Werdna: Hagger, Jews did WTC, and Hermy [00:43:10] Werdna: the thing which is called "TitleBlacklist" is disabled [00:43:18] Then shouldn't the same be true for "height:\s*[0-4]px|" - it should instead be "height\s*:\s*[0-4]px|" ? [00:43:23] ^demon|away: you should request via bugzilla that action=parse allows a revision or article ID to be specified, as well as raw text [00:43:26] Steev43230: yes [00:43:31] Werdna: and if it's made global, probably /index.php [00:43:31] flyingparchment: right, but the same functionality, without the ability to do regexes, is implemented in core. [00:43:39] Same for "overflow" too then? [00:43:48] Werdna: okay. but that is not "TitleBlacklist". i was explaining to ryan what had been disabled [00:44:09] right [00:44:13] Steev43230: many of these are only because of bots that are repetitive [00:44:17] MZMcBride: Isn't that best done with an adminbot? [00:44:19] Kewl. Thanks. [00:44:29] Werdna: adminbot on en.wiki? zomg [00:44:43] "overflow: auto; height" on wikimedia should still be blacklisted, but you could bypass that by putting height first [00:44:44] <^demon|away> Adminbots will kill us all, haven't you heard the memo? [00:44:55] MZMcBride: political issues aside, that's probably the best solution, n'est-ce pas? [00:44:56] a lot of the variants could certainly be protected with &action=protect, but regex is better [00:45:15] seems silly to do 300 protections vs. one line of regex [00:45:26] regex that doesn't use 15% of the cluster is better? [00:45:29] and TitleBlacklist has already been fixed to not be so expensive [00:45:30] right. but the regex can be evaluated by a bot. [00:45:36] the problem with titleblacklist was not the regex [00:45:40] it was shitty coding :) [00:45:44] subst/regex/hooks [00:45:51] but it can't have helped [00:45:52] it's been fixed. waiting for review currently [00:46:00] without regex, perhaps domas wouldn't have found the problem so fast ^_^ [00:46:46] Werdna: your way would work as well, but what would the bot do exactly? protect non-existent pages or delete them when they show up or what/ [00:46:55] MZMcBride: delete + block when they show up [00:47:05] haha. never going to happen on en.wiki [00:47:27] sure. But it'd be the best solution [00:48:18] the best solution is to give me money, then delete the pages manually [00:48:22] best solutions are rarely what en.wiki strives for. if it were the most bureaucratic or the most ludicrous, then it might happen [00:48:48] we couldn't even get an adminbot to delete the user / user talk pages of indefinitely blocked accounts [00:48:53] people went nuts [00:49:03] MZMcBride: why would you do that? [00:49:13] it doesn't necessarily sound like a good idea. [00:49:23] certainly contentious at best. [00:49:32] unless it's cast-iron policy to always do that now. [00:49:47] that would be a stupid policy. oh, enwiki.. [00:50:23] we do it if the user wasn't proven to be a sock [00:50:32] no real point in keeping the pages [00:50:44] no point in making a bot delete them, either. [00:50:51] Would someone be willing to look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSpamRegex#A_Large_Example and make sure I haven't screwed up the example there? Or lied (in the comments I revised)? [00:50:55] it's that or do it manually [00:50:58] no point in deleting them at all, either [00:53:52] Is there an extension that will automatically change words, such as a word macro, that will do things like change, e.g., "Chairs" to "chairs" or "colour" to "color" when the page is saved? [00:54:03] the best way to see if a bot has approval is to run it slowly on your own account for a while. If nobody complains, then it shouldn't be a problem to botflag it. [CAUTION: If you actually do this, people will probably ban you!] [00:54:18] Steev43230: that will work great until you write a page that "In British English, many words (e.g. colour) are spelt differently." [00:54:54] Yeah, I know the risks. But it's a closed wiki, intended to have only 3 or 4 editors. [00:55:26] <^demon|away> There's no point in keeping them even if they aren't a sock. Unused meta-pages need deletion, unless they're archived for some reason. [00:55:27] And less than ten words to be affected, and primarily in case, not spellnig. [00:55:34] Or spelling, even! [00:55:44] ^demon|away why? [00:55:48] ^demon|away: what is the purpose of a user page? [00:56:01] Steev43230: your users never start a sentence with "Chair"? :) [00:56:20] <^demon|away> Werdna: Why keep an unused page lying around? [00:57:04] It would have to be an exception. Primary problem is my Users think Everything is a Proper Noun and is is irritating as Hell. [00:57:23] Why delete it? You are making the positive claim that these pages should be deleted. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on you to show that it should be deleted, not me to show that it need not be. [00:57:23] Steev43230: perhaps you should write your wiki in German [00:57:38] :) [00:57:53] <^demon|away> Werdna: Keeping un-needed stuff lying around looks messy, if nothing else. Do you keep every item you get in the mail? [00:57:59] Is this chat kept in the Wayback machine, or otherwise accessble later? [00:58:09] Steev43230: link in the /topic [00:58:16] ? [00:58:24] Steev43230: the topic of the channel. there is a link [00:58:35] e [00:58:38] bletch [00:58:41] http://tinyurl.com/2896ae [00:58:45] In other words :) [00:58:49] I see - so it is logged. OK. [00:58:59] <^demon|away> amidaniel: I've missed you :( [00:59:02] hmm, don't some zh variants auto-convert on save? or is that only on view? [00:59:17] Splarka: view i believe. not sure though [00:59:34] Werdna: i am not using ^demon|away. shall we delete him from the channel? [00:59:37] The subject and the analogue of that analogical argument have negatively relevant differences, namely that keeping every item from the mail incurs nontrivial storage costs, and tends to clutter up a bench or something. In the case of a page, there is no evidence that it exists, from a user perspective, except if a user happens to try to view it. [00:59:42] Steev43230: you could do some javascript, heh heh [00:59:42] ^demon|away: Missed you too, you sexy beast :) [00:59:46] No one knows of such an extension, then? How about customizable spelling extensions. I assume there's plenty of those, right? [00:59:48] Where ya been hiding? [01:00:10] Sparkla, /you/ could do JS; all I could do is put myself into an asylum. [01:00:12] <^demon|away> amidaniel: Hehe, I try. Mind if I /msg you with a question? [01:00:26] Sure thing [01:00:42] *amidaniel eagerly awaits ^demon|away's message :D [01:00:45] Ooh .. just got it [01:00:52] <^demon|away> Exciting, yes? [01:01:11] Very [01:01:15] Hmmm ... how shall I respond? [01:01:17] *amidaniel thinks [01:01:17] *Splarka jelous [01:02:00] we should rename this channel to #wikimedia-mediawiki [01:02:05] <^demon|away> No. [01:02:10] not only a palindrome, but even more confusing to new users [01:02:13] great fun for everyone [01:02:20] 'tisn't a palindrome [01:02:28] unless "wiki" and "media" are letters. [01:02:33] Werdna: they are [01:02:40] multiglyphical spoonerism [01:02:57] there's probably a more accurate word for it, but you know what i mean ;) [01:03:02] flyingparchment: ;) [01:03:32] *Splarka wonders if flyingparchment knows "werdna/andrew" knows his palindromes [01:03:51] i only realized that palindrome about a week ago... [01:04:03] Werdna: "word-order palindrome" [01:04:20] MZMcBride: it's not a palindrome [01:04:26] unless you wrote werdnAndrew [01:04:33] right. [01:04:39] *MZMcBride isn't thinking [01:04:57] MZMcBride: you mean "MZMcBride doesn't think" [01:05:08] (i didn't make that up, that is apparently what wikimedia-mediawiki is) [01:05:12] "werdna andrew" or "andrew werdna" are palindromes [01:05:33] flyingparchment: sauce? [01:05:53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome#Words [01:06:02] Werdna: Poetry Glossary. Copyright © 2007, ILOVEPOETRY, Inc [01:06:10] (no doubt a very reliable source) [01:06:44] heh [01:12:46] what's the way to purge a changed javascript? [01:13:02] ow, wrong changgel. [01:28:07] flyingparchment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jacques_Derrida#Is_Derrida_really_dead.3F [01:28:09] LOL [01:34:58] Thanks for everyone's help - it would be great if someone would look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSpamRegex#CSS_Hidden_Spam and make sure the comments I added, showing how the code is parsed, are accurate. [01:35:54] Steev43230: since we're all lazy, please provide a diff link [01:36:11] I don't know how to do that. [01:36:23] go to history, find the revision you made, click 'last' on the left [01:38:05] Not sure this would be helpful - much easier just to read the comments on the page - but here goes http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Manual:%24wgSpamRegex&diff=162232&oldid=162231 [01:38:54] It's just the section that follows the text that says "To prevent CSS hidden spam of the form style="display:none;"" - I added comments to the code. [01:39:38] flyingparchment: I love postmodern comments like that one [01:39:51] always gives me a smile and makes my day ;) [02:18:27] Are namespaces like this acceptable? [02:18:28] $wgExtraNamespaces[100] = "d1"; [02:18:30] $wgExtraNamespaces[101] = "d1_talk"; [02:18:32] $wgExtraNamespaces[110] = "d1modding"; [02:18:34] $wgExtraNamespaces[111] = "d1modding_talk"; [02:18:52] what's wrong with that? [02:19:25] nothings, wrong. I'm just being cauious... don't really know much about namespaces. [02:19:37] check the manual page? [02:19:44] !wg ExtraNamespaces [02:19:44] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgExtraNamespaces [02:20:06] is it possible to host all images on a secondary server? [02:23:19] gcardinal: yeah, you can just mount it under the images directory [02:23:37] not mw config at all [02:24:53] yeah but I kinda have BW problems, my main server at the limit of the montly data transfer limit, so I was thinking to somehow to split it up and host images on a different host so it doesnt uses so my bw [02:25:08] gcardinal: ohhh [02:25:33] gcardinal: nope, i dont know of a solution to that [02:25:57] ok [02:57:25] 03shinjiman * r30011 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [02:57:25] * Update Chinese translations [02:57:25] * Update Cantonese translations [02:57:25] * Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations [03:25:14] hi, how do i get a stewards group on my wiki farm? [03:25:47] !e Makesysop [03:25:47] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Makesysop [03:26:03] chuck: that extension ^^ [03:26:09] 03tstarling * r30012 10/trunk/phase3/config/index.php: [03:26:09] * Remove debugging code (errant var_dump) [03:26:09] * Mark DBA cache "not recommended" [03:26:09] * Fix warning in escapePHPstring [03:26:09] thanks [03:26:27] or you can directly modify the DB; but that's kinda gross, in my opinion [03:30:16] 03(mod) Page titles could cause problems for some HTML editors that add a trailing slash to URLs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12703 +comment (10azatoth) [03:31:34] hrm, how do i add myself to the stewards group now? [03:33:10] localsettings. [03:33:34] by the way, if you're running 1.12, that extension probably isn't needed [03:36:16] i'm running 1.12alpha :S [03:36:29] and i get permission errors when i try to visit special:userrights [03:36:47] my user is in sysop, bureaucrat, and steward [03:37:11] and i put the following in localsettings [03:37:12] $wgGroupPermissions['steward' ]['makesysop' ] = true; [03:37:12] $wgGroupPermissions['steward' ]['userrights'] = true; [03:37:12] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['makesysop' ] = true; [03:37:13] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['userrights'] = false; [03:39:44] can you access Special:Makesysop? [03:40:35] yeah [03:41:36] 03(mod) Display tabs at bottom (as well as top) of page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12708 +comment (10danny_b) [03:43:58] anyone know what's wrong? [03:45:15] chuck: you're sure you're in the steward group? [03:47:01] pretty sure [03:47:02] 03(mod) Add a "(content)" option to the namespace picker on special pages that use it - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12702 (10danny_b) [03:47:09] i added a row to the user_groups table [03:47:25] i'll try making bureaucrats use userrights to see [03:47:29] chuck: Check Special:Listusers [03:48:07] nope, still nothing [03:48:08] amidaniel: ok [03:48:22] http://meta.melbyemedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers [03:48:29] it says i'm a sysop bureaucrat and steward [03:49:19] you're logged in, right? [03:49:26] just making sure... [03:49:26] yes [03:49:30] :P [03:49:36] :) [03:50:11] can't you do something like: [03:50:16] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['steward' ] = true; [03:50:34] try logging out and logging in, sometimes rights are cachy [03:50:49] oh, good idea [03:51:23] Splarka: thanks so much! that fixed it [03:51:53] MZM: a steward isn't a right.. [03:52:05] I think that would do nothing [03:52:10] now it's saying i don't have permission to edit rights on other wikis when i try to edit a user on another wiki db :S [03:52:52] meh. [03:53:00] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['userrights-interwiki'] = true; [03:53:11] try setting that, with 'steward' of course [03:53:14] or steward? oh okay [03:53:29] MZM: there is a way to give one group all the rights of another though, I forget the syntax [03:53:36] i'm getting a syntax error in the most recent svn [03:53:50] blame domas [03:56:22] is there a way to check the api version or check for availability of a feature from javascript? [03:56:25] urgh, now it's saying the database doesn't exist -.- [03:57:08] hippietrail: wgVersion (in the pages, not via API) isn't good enough? heh [03:57:37] Splarka: does that tell me the mediawiki version or the api version? or are they the same thing? [03:57:48] the API is core, so they're pretty much the same thing [03:57:59] you can guess at the features anyway, with that [03:58:14] only problem is, 1.12alpha covers a wide range of features [03:58:16] Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_SL in /var/www/wiki.zachhauri.com/w/includes/Title.php on line 2382 [03:59:18] Splarka: it's a bit coarse grained. it wouldn't let me check for a feature that i know is there today but wasn't yesterday would it? [04:00:04] hippietrail: if you need 100% accuracy, just load api.php with no arguments, and check that page for mention of the feature [04:00:13] well, 99% (the help isn't always accurate) [04:00:25] isn't there some sort of log of changes to the api? [04:00:36] that's a bit of a hit for a javascript extension [04:00:42] well [04:00:53] you could do like MZM is suggesting, and hit Special:Version and grab the revision, but.. [04:01:08] that doesn't always work, like for example on Wikia, which is forked and uses a different revision system [04:01:40] nevermind, it was an svn merge conflict [04:01:42] did Wikia get attacked today? [04:02:23] cool. that revision isn't available elsewhere is it? it would be handy to have a wgRevision that exposed it [04:03:18] ah so in that case a version number or "supports" function for the api would be a better solution [04:04:43] MZM: did it? [04:05:10] i heard a rumor [04:09:05] do you know if the SiteConfiguration class is available anywhere? [04:09:24] api.php does have a version parameter but it only works with help and does not work with format=json [04:09:27] nvm [04:13:06] hippietrail: so submit a bugzilla request for a version return in all formats ^_^ [04:13:36] Splarka: thanks i will (-: [04:13:49] *MZMcBride file a bugzilla request today [04:13:50] and possiby a... [04:14:18] api.php?gotfeature=action%3dparse or something silly [04:14:20] silly protection log logs unprotections when nothing happened [04:37:15] w00t! i finally got userrights working! [04:39:56] why wasn't it working? [04:41:03] he's doing it on a personal install [04:42:48] anyone alive in here? [04:43:09] Nope. [04:43:13] ask :) [04:43:14] aight. [04:43:30] just wondering - i've just upgraded my wiki and added a captcha extension [04:43:43] but now im left with a 1500 or so vandalbot accounts [04:43:55] is there no way to remove them except through the database directly? [04:44:08] my suggestion is to just leave them [04:44:33] i would, but i kind of need an "untarnished" userlist [04:44:51] !ext DeleteUser | RC [04:44:51] --mwbot-- RC: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DeleteUser [04:45:08] no page [04:45:11] Or, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete rather [04:45:12] :) [04:45:22] *MZMcBride was about to suggest that [04:45:26] the new cache improvements make javascript development extremely difficult [04:45:45] hippietrail: no kidding X_X [04:45:47] you know, for all the talk about Special:Killuser, I'm shocked no one's actually written it yet [04:45:48] i wonder why that addon doesnt allow you to delete users straight away... its why im asking here, since it would prety much double what i have to do otherwise :P [04:46:02] hippietrail: I did figure out, the absolute lowest s-maxage is 5 minutes [04:46:02] Splarka: even action=purge isn't helping [04:46:07] RC: Because that causes mucho headaches [04:46:08] contribs have to go somewhere? [04:46:11] so wait five minutes and try again [04:46:16] amidaniel|away, howso? [04:46:22] ah, like that [04:46:23] RC: Just trust me :) [04:46:40] hippietrail: #mediawiki-scripts [04:46:44] if i do large changes to my source it's ok but small changes i can't get the old stuff out of the cache [04:46:50] oooh, -scripts time! [04:46:59] *amidaniel|away hobbles over there too [04:47:17] ah! [04:47:26] if i read it right, i can simply merge all the bot accounts into 1? [04:47:35] yes [04:47:37] Sure [04:47:42] and the merged accounts will be deleted [04:47:44] that's actually even more useful than deleting. [04:48:31] thanks :) [05:45:46] hi, this extension : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InterWiki : (if i read the source correctly) rebuilds the interwiki table from file everytime a page that includes localsettings is called. is that a performance hit? [05:47:36] i think you'd be better off with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki [05:47:40] it's stable vs. beta [05:48:27] i have multiple databases running mediawiki though, it's kind of tedious to go through each to add a new interwiki [05:48:54] can't you make them share the same table? [05:49:22] i don't *think* so [05:49:42] i saw someone to it with a patch they made, but even then , all the mediawiki instances were in the same database [05:50:02] well, it looks like that extension could be a performance drain [05:50:11] yeah [06:11:07] nn Brownout [06:11:10] brion-away: [06:16:46] 03(FIXED) Enable subpages for namespace "Template" in it.wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12709 +comment (10jeluf) [06:28:23] where can I find the optimized strtr for PHP? [06:35:41] 03(mod) Page titles could cause problems for some HTML editors that add a trailing slash to URLs - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12703 (10igor) [06:36:35] Hey ya'll [06:36:48] I'm doing something rather complicated - I need functionality in a template. [06:36:51] How can I achieve this? [06:37:20] Sorry, I mean, I need functionality to be passed from the template to the page it's included in... so bits of THAT page are included/not included correct if I include IT elsewhere. [06:37:24] Make more sense? [06:37:45] *MZMcBride can't remember if that's possible or not [06:37:51] clude> clude> [06:38:49] or other silly tricks [06:39:07] i'm not sure those tricks still work [06:39:28] yeah I doubt that would work, but will try... [06:39:41] and i'm using an oooold ass version of mediawiki [06:40:25] so they might [06:40:33]