[00:00:29] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, thanks it worked.. the "-" I got from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table#Vertical_alignment thinking it was part of the syntax..
[00:00:48] <Duesentrieb>	it isn't. and it's probably the problem
[00:01:24] <Duesentrieb>	actually... wtf? attributes in the row-separator? does that even work? what is that supposed to do?
[00:01:30] <Wiredtape>	is |valign="top" | ...    correct syntax
[00:02:07] <Duesentrieb>	hm... |-valign="top" apparently also works - but note that the |- starts a new row.
[00:02:08] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, it puts the attributes in the <tr>.
[00:02:23] <Simetrical>	valign is specifiable on table rows, I think.
[00:02:25] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: yea, i just found that out. i didn't even know html allowed that. let alone wikitext.
[00:02:39] <Simetrical>	Also probably columns, although Firefox at least doesn't really support that.
[00:02:40] <CIA-41>	03river * r30088 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: increase the left margin for mw_contentwrapper to -15em. appears to have no effect on the layout but fixed the sidebar in IE6
[00:02:50] <Simetrical>	Probably you could specify it on the whole table if you liked.
[00:03:15] <marvus>	valign=top is obsolete, you should use a class or style="vertical-align:top"
[00:03:47] <Wiredtape>	marvus, why is it obsolete? (new pp?)
[00:04:58] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, CSS.
[00:05:15] <Steev43230>	Is there a way to link to an item within the same page, like to a footnote?
[00:05:45] <Skizzerz>	Steev43230: if you are using == headings == and the like, you can link to them via [[#heading name]]
[00:05:53] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, ok.
[00:06:42] <Steev43230>	Skizzerz, I'd like the user to be able to click on <sup>10</sup> within the text and be taken to footnote 10. Like that. Does headings do that?
[00:06:58] <Skizzerz>	uh, use the Cite extension
[00:07:12] <Skizzerz>	Steev43230: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite
[00:07:16] <Steev43230>	Thanks.
[00:09:02] <Steev43230>	This seems to be built in:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Footnotes
[00:09:22] <Skizzerz>	it's produced via that extension I linked to
[00:13:57] <Wiredtape>	wasn't there a #javascript channel?
[00:14:22] <Skizzerz>	#mediawiki-scripts
[00:14:24] <Skizzerz>	perhaps
[00:14:47] <Wiredtape>	no, apparently they moved #javascript to ##javascript
[00:15:09] <Wiredtape>	I wasn't aware of #mediawiki-scripts
[00:16:09] <CIA-41>	03river * r30089 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: respect preferences option for underlining except in #footer. looks hella ugly, but users keep whining
[00:16:16] <flyingparchment>	#mediawiki-scripts is the secret new parser testing channel
[00:16:45] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30090 10/trunk/extensions/BotQuery/query.php: MSIE URL safety
[00:16:59] <Wiredtape>	not so secret anymore ;)
[00:17:00] <Wiredtape>	not so secret anymore ;)
[00:18:52] <Oberoten>	... Heck... THAT was NOT good. The Family Tree template generates a 500 ?
[00:19:49] <Oberoten>	PLEASE tell me there is a quick way to fix that?
[00:20:49] <Simetrical>	Oberoten, maybe the server timed out or something?
[00:20:57] <Simetrical>	E.g., you hit your processing limit?
[00:21:05] <Simetrical>	Some of these things require a long time to render.
[00:21:12] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30091 10/branches/REL1_9/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES api.php includes/DefaultSettings.php): Merge 30087 from trunk and bump to 1.9.5
[00:21:33] <Oberoten>	Mmm.... Seems though that I can't even pull the mainpages or anything else. 
[00:21:43] <flyingparchment>	Oberoten: comment out the require_once
[00:21:53] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30092 10/branches/REL1_9/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: fix odl vers on advisory
[00:22:13] <Oberoten>	All of them?
[00:22:22] <flyingparchment>	no, the one you added to enable the extension
[00:22:27] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30093 10/branches/REL1_10/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES api.php includes/DefaultSettings.php): Merge 30087 and bump to 1.10.3
[00:22:41] <Oberoten>	Not an extension.. Just a template. 
[00:22:47] <flyingparchment>	oh, template.  fun
[00:22:58] <flyingparchment>	are you using parserfunctions?
[00:23:04] <Oberoten>	Yeah...
[00:23:08] <Oberoten>	... i am borked am I?
[00:23:10] <flyingparchment>	try disabling that
[00:23:16] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30094 10/branches/REL1_11/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES api.php includes/DefaultSettings.php): Merge 30087 and bump to 1.11.1
[00:24:11] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30095 10/tags/REL1_9_5/: tag 1.9.5
[00:24:28] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30096 10/tags/REL1_10_3/: tag 1.10.3
[00:24:44] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30097 10/tags/REL1_11_1/: tag 1.11.1
[00:24:56] <Oberoten>	Nope... 
[00:25:16] <Oberoten>	... Is there any way to find and delete the family tree template from the SQL?
[00:25:33] <Oberoten>	Or wherever it is stored?
[00:27:55] <frieze>	Oberoten: did you remove the include line from your localsettings?
[00:30:19] <Oberoten>	#require_once( "$IP/extensions/Parserfunctions/Parserfunction.php");
[00:30:22] <Oberoten>	... at the moment. 
[00:30:47] <Oberoten>	Ahah!
[00:30:55] <Oberoten>	... I see something I can probably fix. 
[00:31:23] <Oberoten>	(( I can see the table searchindex, if I clear the entry for familytree? Any chance that might fix it? ))
[00:31:41] <Simetrical>	You probably want to look at the text table, IIRC, although I might not.
[00:31:42] <CIA-41>	03river * r30098 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: add another div inside #mw_content to allow users to style font-size in the content area without breaking positioning
[00:31:46] <Simetrical>	Or just go directly to the edit URL.
[00:31:54] <Simetrical>	And delete the offending content through the interface.
[00:33:13] <Oberoten>	&Action=Edit , eh?
[00:33:35] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[00:33:35] <Oberoten>	It is locked stone-cold.
[00:33:40] <Simetrical>	Actually action=edit.
[00:33:42] <Simetrical>	Do you have a link?
[00:33:52] *Simetrical 	doesn't recall if it's case-sensitive
[00:34:12] <Oberoten>	http://oberoten.mine.nu
[00:34:22] <Oberoten>	http://oberoten.mine.nu/wiki
[00:34:57] <Oberoten>	... sorry for the cheese head-image. One of my players suggested it since it plays on both Corda and Draconis.. 
[00:35:13] <Wiredtape>	Oberoten, what is the name of the article this was on?
[00:36:23] <Oberoten>	template:familytree
[00:36:27] <Oberoten>	template:familytree/start
[00:36:31] <Oberoten>	template:familytree/end
[00:36:47] *CardFire 	grumbles at his inability to get the formmating desired
[00:37:06] <CardFire>	I wonder if I'm altogether missing css formatting by default in my own mediawiki install
[00:37:15] <CardFire>	ie grey background and thin borders on "wikitable" style
[00:39:13] <Wiredtape>	Oberoten, go to->http://oberoten.mine.nu/wiki/index.php/Template:Familytree?action=edit and do what you need...
[00:40:33] <Oberoten>	No dice for me I am afraid... 
[00:40:52] <Oberoten>	... wait, still loading on the initial one. 
[00:41:06] <Wiredtape>	works for me...
[00:41:28] <Oberoten>	Weird... 
[00:41:51] <Oberoten>	I get nothing from it. 
[00:41:58] <Oberoten>	Maybe if I try a different browser. 
[00:42:08] <Wiredtape>	you want me to delete it so you can then do what you want.. ? (it will of course be saved in history)
[00:43:24] <Oberoten>	Ah... IE got it. 
[00:43:41] <Oberoten>	(( That is what I get for using weird obscure browsers I guess. ))
[00:47:30] <Oberoten>	It seems to time out though when I try to do anything with it. 
[00:47:41] <Oberoten>	If you could delete it I would be most pleased.
[00:50:59] <Wiredtape>	it's stuck for me as well when I try to delete.. 
[00:51:25] <CIA-41>	03river * r30099 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/rtl.css: basic styling for rtl sites
[00:54:14] <Oberoten>	Heh... It says that Familytree has been deleted when I check the SQL
[00:54:54] <Oberoten>	*moves to the next part of the template*
[00:58:37] <Oberoten>	Hmmm... 
[00:58:44] <Oberoten>	... okay I think I have found the offender. 
[00:59:47] <Oberoten>	When I try to remove the entry for it in Navicat... it locks that one too. 
[01:00:28] <Oberoten>	It is familytree/step2 that borks it up royally. 
[01:01:40] <brion>	yay firefox crashed while i was editing the release links
[01:02:34] <Skizzerz>	lol
[01:04:34] <Oberoten>	*tries another program to delete it with*
[01:04:48] <Oberoten>	... I think it did something UGLY to MySql?
[01:07:41] <Oberoten>	THERE... 
[01:08:31] <Oberoten>	And the mainpage has NEVER looked so beautiful to me... :)
[01:09:08] <Oberoten>	I had to go in and delete the offending page from SQL, and also to unlock the locked entry... I had to stop Apache too. 
[01:09:46] <Oberoten>	*makes a backup*
[01:09:56] <Oberoten>	...it felt SCARY to have to do that. 
[01:11:07] <marvus>	i cannot refresh my cache with ctrl+F5 . i heard about problems with it. are they still active ?
[01:11:08] <Oberoten>	Thanks for advice and encouragement... which probably kept me from wiping the darn thing and starting again from a 5 weeks old SQL dump. 
[01:11:23] <kury>	Can someone help me restore my wiki pictures?? I moved the db from one machine to another... and all seems fine other than my pictures (possibly all uploaded files?)
[01:13:13] <Morbus>	well, that sucked <g>
[01:13:29] <Morbus>	does pywikipedia bot require the API?
[01:14:54] <marvus>	Morbus : no
[01:15:05] <Morbus>	thanks. /me disables in settings, and waits for 1.12.
[01:15:11] <marvus>	works with index.php afaik
[01:15:20] <Morbus>	'
[01:15:25] <jimbojw>	Morbus: pywikipedia hits MW via the normal mechanisms - just like a web browser would
[01:15:33] <Morbus>	i'll know shortly, i suppose. have a lot of images to upload.
[01:15:36] <Morbus>	but no time to upgrade.
[01:15:42] <Morbus>	good. thanks.
[01:16:18] <kury>	humm all my pictures seem to come up fine on the list files page... just not on the pages they are linked in on..
[01:16:52] <kury>	if I click on them from a page where they are used I get "Uploads disabled"   is this why my images aren't showing?
[01:17:01] <Morbus>	example?
[01:18:35] <kury>	example of what?
[01:18:41] <CardFire>	so, if I cut and paste sample tables from the wikipedia tutorial, they don't appear with the appropriate backgrounds and formatting, in my install of MediaWiki
[01:18:44] <Morbus>	a URL where this problem manifests.
[01:18:55] <CardFire>	so I cut/pasted the Wikipedia monobook altogether
[01:19:19] <CardFire>	which didn't miraculously fix all my problems and award all the world's children with snuggly puppies
[01:19:20] <CardFire>	sadly
[01:19:28] <CardFire>	any suggestions?
[01:19:32] <Morbus>	CardFire: two things. you only need the "wikitable" (or "prettytable") CSS declaration.
[01:19:43] <Morbus>	and you have to force refresh your browser on a page that uses the new CSS.
[01:20:41] <Morbus>	and then you actually have to apply that css class to your table.
[01:20:56] <Morbus>	smaller/less-overloaded examples of the table and definition here: http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/Elite_Entertainment%2C_Inc.
[01:21:06] <Morbus>	and the CSS (all "wikitable"), here: http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[01:21:41] <CardFire>	ty, Morbus 
[01:23:29] <CardFire>	I ... am not getting it ... I very dearly need sleep, I think
[01:23:35] <Morbus>	show me your pages.
[01:23:35] <CIA-41>	03river * r30100 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: 
[01:23:35] <CIA-41>	using font-sizes in points breaks text resizing in IE. instead, set the font
[01:23:35] <CIA-41>	size the same way as monobook: body sets font-size: x-small, and text is scaled
[01:23:35] <CIA-41>	back to a reasonable size (130%) in the content area. 130% produces correct
[01:23:35] <CIA-41>	alignment of #p-personal in all browsers; 127% makes a 1 pixel gap in Safari at
[01:23:38] <CIA-41>	some font sizes.
[01:26:32] <Morbus>	CardFire: ok. you've got your declaration of the table, in Template:Software Info correct.
[01:26:52] <Morbus>	however, Wikipedia defines its wikitable CSS syntax in the for-all-themes MediaWiki:Common.css, and you should do the same thing.
[01:26:59] <CardFire>	thanks, those are cut/pastes from Wikipedia :-p
[01:27:03] <Morbus>	so a) delete what you added to MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[01:27:10] <CardFire>	okay
[01:27:17] *CardFire 	deletes with a vengeance
[01:27:17] <Morbus>	b) copy the wikitable crap from wikipedia or my site to MediaWiki:Common.css
[01:27:22] <Morbus>	then i'll look again
[01:35:30] <Morbus>	CardFire: looks good to me.
[01:35:30] <CardFire>	alright, Morbus thank you.
[01:35:37] <Morbus>	:)
[01:36:32] <CardFire>	that was super helpful, and I would NOT have figured that out with another two weeks of mucking about google (sadly)
[01:45:21] <CIA-41>	03river * r30101 10/trunk/phase3/skins/simple/main.css: fix css to style .pBody instead of each portlet id explicitly; makes additional navigation portlets look correct
[01:49:28] <CIA-41>	03river * r30102 10/trunk/phase3/skins/simple/rtl.css: rtl styling for simple
[01:54:16] <AaronSchulz>	flyingparchment: "hella ugly" ? :D
[01:54:22] <AaronSchulz>	makes me think of South Park
[01:54:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Text change for MediaWiki:Clearyourcache - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12517  (10s.vanslyck)
[01:56:54] <flyingparchment>	if there are no remaining problems i'd like to enable it on wp
[01:56:58] <flyingparchment>	so speak up now ;)
[01:59:48] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30103 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (EditPage.php OutputPage.php Title.php): Commit some junk: spacing, braces, parentheses, other stylistic stuff.
[02:00:45] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30104 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Comment tweak, remove strcmp().
[02:03:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Internet Explorer should be added to browser detection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12766 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (hippytrail)
[02:08:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Account created even when email bounces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12767 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (alexfusco5)
[02:15:18] <Simetrical>	$ grep "[^\!=]==\s*''" {includes,skins,languages,maintenance,math}/{*,*/*,*/*/*}/*.php *.php 2> /dev/null | wc -l
[02:15:18] <Simetrical>	20
[02:15:25] <Simetrical>	That looks like 20 instances in need of fixing.
[02:15:49] <Simetrical>	$ grep "\([^\!=]==\|\!=\)\s*''" {includes,skins,languages,maintenance,math}/{*,*/*,*/*/*}/*.php *.php 2> /dev/null | wc -l
[02:15:49] <Simetrical>	27
[02:15:51] <Simetrical>	No, 27.
[02:29:34] <aBSDaemon>	I'm a moron.  Spent 3 days trying to fiigure out why ads weren't working on the site...forgot I had Ad Block Pro running...
[02:52:55] <Simetrical>	aBSDaemon, which should teach you a lesson about the ethics of running AdBlock, I guess.  ;)
[02:56:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:00:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make section edit links more usable/understandable - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11270  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:05:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) hasConstraint() in DatabasePostgres. php is not schema aware - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12768 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (sven)
[03:10:14] <Monobi>	how can I view the different namespaces?
[03:10:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Preemptively fix possible weak type-checking errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12769 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:10:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:11:35] <Splarka>	Monobi: they should be listed in Special:Allpages Special:Prefixindex Special:Recentchanges and Special:Preferences to name a few
[03:11:45] <Monobi>	Okay.
[03:12:01] <Monobi>	Splarka, the thing is, I need to see the numbers assigned to the namespace
[03:12:21] <flyingparchment>	Monobi: grep NS_ includes/Defines.php
[03:12:35] <Monobi>	I don't have access to that.
[03:13:01] <Splarka>	Monobi: view the page source on any of those pages
[03:13:06] <Monobi>	Ok
[03:13:27] <Monobi>	But that only shows me one...
[03:13:30] <Splarka>	<option value="0">(Main)</option>
[03:13:30] <Splarka>	<option value="1">Talk</option>
[03:13:30] <Splarka>	<option value="2">User</option>
[03:13:41] <Splarka>	on Recentchanges for example
[03:13:56] <Monobi>	Ah
[03:13:58] <Monobi>	thanks
[03:13:59] <Simetrical>	Or you could look at the message keys in Special:Allmessages.
[03:14:11] <Simetrical>	They'll probably be there somewhere.
[03:14:17] <Splarka>	or go to each namespace and view the <body> ns-# class
[03:14:29] <Simetrical>	castab-something-or-other.
[03:14:32] <Simetrical>	Or whatever.
[03:14:37] <Splarka>	but Recentchanges is a lot faster to load than Special:Allmessages
[03:14:43] <Simetrical>	So true.
[03:14:54] <Simetrical>	Needs paging.  :)
[03:15:18] *Simetrical 	should repurpose .rtl to mean "RTL interface language" instead of "RTL content language" . . . since that's what it mostly means right now anyway.
[03:16:01] <Simetrical>	Then tack on an extra class for content direction, and some appropriate dir='s . . .
[03:16:26] <Simetrical>	Should fix most of the RTL display craziness.
[03:16:26] <Simetrical>	(Try reading hewiki with uselang=en, fun.)
[03:16:26] *Splarka 	attempts to finder the bug in http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Vandalisme_en_cours/Archives/2008/01&action=edit&section=new&editintro=Mod%C3%A8le:AV&timtest=newpp
[03:16:56] <Simetrical>	Ugh, parser bugs.
[03:19:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Allow different directionality for user interface and wiki content - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6100  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:19:56] <Simetrical>	Wow, I remember this bug!  http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6458
[03:22:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't autosummarize where a redirect was left unchanged - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8345  normal->trivial (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:25:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate logging.log_params into a new table - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10512  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:25:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Apply filter to checkuser usage log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6053  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show logs for moved pages corresponding to old page name - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8731  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:25:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  The logging table needs a log_user_text field so that events from unloggedin users can be logged - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3732  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:25:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update block log when renaming an account - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7011  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:41:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preemptively fix possible weak type-checking errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12769  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:45:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linker::userToolLinks and friends should not require a user ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10663  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:49:34] <ravedave>	So are there any options for better audio/video display in category view?
[03:50:00] <ravedave>	as in some sort of listing rather than thumbnails of speaker icons
[04:03:16] *Simetrical 	is amused, reading through the GNOME human interface guidelines, by how many of them core GNOME utilities ignore
[04:04:10] <ravedave>	isn't that the same as Apple?
[04:04:18] <Simetrical>	I doubt it's the *same*.
[04:04:22] <Simetrical>	Maybe similar.
[04:05:17] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Revisions to English article show up in de.wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12770 minor; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (ted)
[04:06:57] <ravedave>	Simetrical - Do you have any ideas for me re: audio in categories?
[04:07:14] <Simetrical>	I assume that's just how things are displayed right now.
[04:07:35] <Simetrical>	We have better image support than AV support.
[04:07:45] <Simetrical>	Which is why, e.g., the Image namespace isn't called File or Media.  :)
[04:07:51] <ravedave>	yeah
[04:08:08] <ravedave>	wikiproject free music got started...
[04:08:18] <ravedave>	and there was some disuccsion about organizing it
[04:08:30] <ravedave>	currently there are extensive lists etc
[04:08:39] <ravedave>	which seems dumb to me
[04:08:54] <ravedave>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Free_music
[04:10:07] <ravedave>	So I was thinking of maybe an extension that displays a category as a table if the category has some sort of reserved word
[04:10:31] <Simetrical>	It should just display the appropriate interactive thingy for AV the way it does for images.
[04:11:12] <ravedave>	or that
[04:11:41] <Simetrical>	"#  Ensure that closing a toolbox does not close or otherwise alter any primary window with which it is associated." "Do not place toolboxes in the system window list. Toolboxes should always remain above all primary windows with which they are associated."  Cough, GIMP, cough.
[04:13:41] <ravedave>	ahhh yeah, this would be nice...
[04:13:42] <ravedave>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound/list
[04:13:46] <ravedave>	to have auto-generated
[04:14:40] <AaronSchulz>	flyingparchment: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arnica_montana&useskin=modern
[04:14:55] <AaronSchulz>	hmm, body div acting oddly
[04:15:15] <ravedave>	is modern a new theme?
[04:16:57] <MZMcBride>	yes
[04:17:18] <Kyrin>	Where might I find a doc on making a 'header' to go above the edit box whenever someone is editting a page, I'd like the header to be customizable based on the namespace within which the page is being editted
[04:17:37] <flyingparchment>	AaronSchulz: curious.  probably needs a clear at the bottom of the content box
[04:18:23] <MZMcBride>	Kyrin: try extensions?
[04:18:31] <Simetrical>	You should be able to do it with system messages.
[04:18:46] <MZMcBride>	which system message always shows?
[04:18:58] <chuck>	is there an easy way to share a system message across wikis?
[04:19:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Revisions to English article show up in de.wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12770  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:19:18] <MZMcBride>	share the MessagesEn.php file?
[04:19:21] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Revisions to English article show up in de.wikipedia.org - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12770  (10JSchulz_4587)
[04:19:29] <AaronSchulz>	that almost had me worried
[04:19:36] <Kyrin>	Simetrical: custom to the namespace being editted
[04:19:37] <Kyrin>	?
[04:20:06] <MZMcBride>	well, that part could be done with ParserFunctions
[04:20:25] <CIA-41>	03river * r30105 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: insert a clear:both div at the bottom of the content to stop floating content from overrunning the border
[04:20:32] <Kyrin>	so I could use a template for hte "header" thing?
[04:20:51] <flyingparchment>	AaronSchulz: fixed
[04:20:53] <Kyrin>	hrm.. I'll look into it some I guess
[04:20:55] <Kyrin>	thanks
[04:21:59] <MZMcBride>	Kyrin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageNotice
[04:22:17] <MZMcBride>	it's beta, but seems to be what you want
[04:22:40] <Kyrin>	k, thanks
[04:22:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Internet Explorer should be added to browser detection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12766  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[04:22:46] <chuck>	i've got a question, if i'm running phase3, is there a chance that i could severely break my wiki if i do "svn update" every once and a while?
[04:22:47] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: grrrr
[04:22:53] <MZMcBride>	huh?
[04:23:07] <flyingparchment>	chuck: yes.  but hopefully that chance is quite low.
[04:23:09] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: you pinged me
[04:23:21] <flyingparchment>	chuck: mostly you'll probably just find minor issues
[04:23:22] <MZMcBride>	heh. sorry :p
[04:23:31] <MZMcBride>	Greek alphabet and all that
[04:23:50] <chuck>	flyingparchment: do i ever have to run the upgrade.php script in maintenance?
[04:23:53] <MZMcBride>	chuck: sometimes serious bugs can slip through and causes issues
[04:24:04] <flyingparchment>	chuck: whenever the schema changes
[04:24:15] <flyingparchment>	chuck: look for changes to updater.inc or tables.sql
[04:24:15] <MZMcBride>	yes, occasionally run upgrade.php if things start acting weird
[04:24:29] <chuck>	flyingparchment: ergh i really should fix my wiki farm setup
[04:24:58] <chuck>	it takes the subdomain+wiki and that's the database it uses
[04:30:05] <flyingparchment>	that's how wikimedia works too
[04:30:08] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30106 10/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[04:30:08] <CIA-41>	* Factored out PPD "part" handling into its own class. Verified with differential fuzz test.
[04:30:08] <CIA-41>	* Stabilise timestamps generated by the parser to avoid diff test false positives
[04:30:08] <CIA-41>	* Fixed msgnw bug. Use RECOVER_ORIG.
[04:30:08] <CIA-41>	* Fixed editintro bug. Cloning the parser in MessageCache has some side-effects that need to be corrected.
[04:30:11] <CIA-41>	* Fixed typo in Parser_DiffTest.php
[04:30:13] <CIA-41>	* General improvements to preprocessorFuzzTest.php
[04:30:43] <chuck>	TimStarling: did you make changes to the schema?
[04:31:12] <TimStarling>	just then? no
[04:32:05] <chuck>	is there an svn command to see what the changes of the latest revision are?
[04:32:20] <TimStarling>	svn diff
[04:33:32] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30107 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Fix fatal error in eval.php
[04:33:33] <CIA-41>	03river * r30108 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/main.css: slightly improved behaviour for very small browser windows: title/tab overflow will be hidden instead of wrapping to the next line
[04:36:11] <chuck>	i think i edited /skins/modern/main.css does that mean i'm not going to get updates from svn anymore or will it merge them somehow?
[04:36:36] <flyingparchment>	it will try to merge, if it fails you have to edit the file and resolve it manually
[04:36:49] <chuck>	oh, good
[04:37:25] <chuck>	i made a crude edit to the EnMessages file, but i'm not sure how better i could make a message share with all the wikis :/
[04:38:19] <flyingparchment>	read about how extensions add messages
[04:38:33] <chuck>	k
[04:43:41] <ravedave>	when's the 1.12 branch due?
[04:46:41] <DrIP>	hi all
[04:48:20] <OverlordQ>	ravedave: next quarter?
[04:49:02] <DrIP>	quick question, how do I edit the 'side panel' with the links and such?
[04:49:15] <flyingparchment>	edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]]
[04:49:21] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Sidebar
[04:49:25] <DrIP>	thanks
[04:49:43] <chuck>	!sidebar
[04:49:43] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[04:49:47] <chuck>	mmm
[04:50:21] <Splarka>	!redundancy | chuck
[04:50:21] --mwbot--	chuck: I don't know anything about "redundancy".
[04:52:19] <chuck>	0i was just seeing if there was a factoid about it, point taken
[04:52:48] *Splarka 	was just playing around
[05:04:11] *Simetrical 	sleeeeps
[05:05:06] *amidaniel 	throws his cat on Simetrical's face
[05:07:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) error page from rollback of first revision has inaccurate title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12771 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (cbm)
[05:07:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linebreaks are mishandled in <blockquote> and <li> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6200  (10voyagerfan5761)
[05:09:13] <Dralspire>	Is there a reason why the line $specialPageArray['MyExtension'][] = $title->getDBKey(); in the setup file here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages#Basic_special_page_template throws a PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function getDBKey() on a non-object in MW 1.11.1?
[05:11:13] <flyingparchment>	probably because wfMsg() is returning an invalid title, which makes $title null
[05:11:33] <Dralspire>	Interesting :-)
[05:12:18] <Zach>	god damn you chris pronger
[05:12:35] <Zach>	oh this isn't the right channel.
[05:13:00] *amidaniel 	wonders who Chris Pronger is ...
[05:13:22] <Zach>	he's a duck
[05:13:27] <Zach>	from anaheim
[05:14:06] <amidaniel>	Aha ic O.o
[05:47:52] <Kyrin>	wtb Interwiki includes :P
[05:54:55] <flyingparchment>	Kyrin: $wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[05:55:07] <Kyrin>	orly?
[05:55:34] *Kyrin 	searches Meta
[05:56:04] *amidaniel 	notes that Meta isn't being used for mw docu anymore :)
[05:56:15] <Kyrin>	drat
[05:56:18] <amidaniel>	!wg EnableScaryTranscluding | Kyrin 
[05:56:18] --mwbot--	Kyrin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[05:56:28] <Kyrin>	thx
[05:57:22] <Kyrin>	now, it will only transclude pages in the Template: namespace on the interwiki site?
[05:57:30] <flyingparchment>	yes
[05:57:37] <Kyrin>	foiled again!
[05:57:38] <Kyrin>	:P
[05:59:00] <Kyrin>	no way to work around that, eh?
[06:00:38] <Kyrin>	readin' here I was thinking maybe a seperate interwiki reference that has the iw_prefix bit set?
[06:14:45] <MrZ-man>	hmm Scary Transcluding is kind of crappy
[06:17:00] <TimStarling>	maybe it should be renamed to wgEnableCrappyTranscluding
[06:17:15] <MrZ-man>	it ignores <noinclude>
[06:17:32] <MrZ-man>	and just transcludes the whole thing
[06:17:46] <MrZ-man>	and subst'ing doesn't seem to work either
[06:17:49] <Splarka>	don't forget images, interwiki, magicwords, caching
[06:17:57] <TimStarling>	well, you can use the raw: modifier
[06:18:10] <TimStarling>	but the caching problem is especially crippling
[06:18:52] <MrZ-man>	Warning: file_get_contents(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:example?action=raw) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden in C:\xampp\htdocs\w\includes\HttpFunctions.php on line 83
[06:19:02] <TimStarling>	heh
[06:19:04] <TimStarling>	well yeah
[06:19:05] <MrZ-man>	if you try to preview a subst
[06:19:50] <TimStarling>	that's brion's fault though
[06:19:58] <TimStarling>	kind of
[06:20:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error page from rollback of first revision has inaccurate title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12771  +comment (10voyagerfan5761)
[06:20:23] <Splarka>	on Wikia it was used occasionally, but only with subst: (when it worked), to grab examples from a central repository
[06:20:41] <Splarka>	like {{subst:Wikia:Instant main page}} (or something)
[06:21:11] <Splarka>	speaking of
[06:21:38] <Splarka>	for the action=raw in article path, could the agent check, rather than excluding MSIE clients, exclude *all* clients except MediaWiki?
[06:21:54] <TimStarling>	sounds like the wrong solution
[06:23:15] <TimStarling>	the obvious solution would be to not use an entry point that security conscious developer will break once per year
[06:23:39] <Splarka>	hey, it's my fault for pointing it out, but I didn't suggest that particular solution
[06:23:44] *Splarka 	wanted a Content-disposition solution
[06:23:49] <TimStarling>	the existence of such developers makes the entry point kind of fragile
[06:24:08] <flyingparchment>	lots of other products ignore security issues like this in favour of convenience, we could just do that
[06:24:11] <Splarka>	subst/security conscious/lazy
[06:24:39] <Splarka>	secure, convenient, done fast, pick two!
[06:25:11] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: i pick secure and convenient, and i want it by next week or you're fired
[06:25:21] <Splarka>	hire me first
[06:25:35] <TimStarling>	hehe
[06:25:44] <TimStarling>	maybe you should hire each other
[06:25:55] <TimStarling>	it'd be like a little wikia fork
[06:26:14] <flyingparchment>	we can be like those people who leave a big company and start some really successful one
[06:26:19] <flyingparchment>	except we left a really small company
[06:26:26] *Splarka 	wants you to hire Domas so he can be culpable
[06:26:31] <amidaniel>	And formed a really shitty one
[06:26:46] <Splarka>	nah, we went back to the big one to work for free
[06:26:59] <Splarka>	hey, wait a minute...
[06:27:39] <Splarka>	http://my.voyager.net/~gwta/images/birds/cunning%20plan.jpg
[06:28:30] <Splarka>	anyway, I did suggest a fix: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12720  but no one seems terribly interested, and it might not work in all browsers
[06:28:37] <TimStarling>	now all you need is 3 million dollars of someone else's money to spend
[06:29:00] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: let's start an internet search engine based on lucene
[06:29:30] <Splarka>	how about special.prefixindex.com
[06:30:09] *amidaniel 	checks to see if it's taken
[06:30:32] <TimStarling>	Angela points out that I'm ex-wikia as well
[06:30:59] <Splarka>	when "ask jeeves" first came out, a friend and I were gonna start "ask dofus" where the user would get their search results, escaped to a-zA-Z0-9- and with www. and .com wrapping it in a link, and the 'advanced' search would be .net, .org, and .edu
[06:31:53] *amidaniel 	hates people who go to the URL bar and type GeorgeWashington.com and FreePorn.com
[06:33:04] <Splarka>	anyway, per breaking interwiki transclusions, after the sandbox .vbs virus thing, I just felt that this sort of thing: http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3642011  would be bad to repeat
[06:34:13] <amidaniel>	Oh good lord, Wikipedia can't be held responsible for that kind of crap
[06:34:18] <Splarka>	and while that oldid was non-deleted (since it can't be deleted, only oversighted)...
[06:34:32] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus.vbs?action=raw&oldid=184831888
[06:34:43] <TimStarling>	==Hello==<!---->
[06:34:48] <OverlordQ>	Agahgahga @ that story
[06:34:50] <Splarka>	that URL would ask a user to download that malicious vbs  and save it as "Antivirus.vbs"
[06:34:58] <TimStarling>	now, if you were a good preprocessor, what would be the appropriate reply to that greeting?
[06:35:00] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: someone pointed out earlier that the enwiki manual of style encourages people to put comments after headings
[06:35:18] <Splarka>	I seem to remember not too many versions ago...
[06:35:20] <TimStarling>	<root><h level="2" i="1">==Hello==<comment>&lt;!----&gt;</comment></h>
[06:35:27] <TimStarling>	</root>
[06:35:29] <amidaniel>	No, that
[06:35:30] <TimStarling>	how about that?
[06:35:33] <Splarka>	that anything on the same line as a header would make the edit section counts break?
[06:35:50] <Splarka>	(but maybe that didn't include comments)
[06:36:13] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: in the old parser, i think comments were removed by the time headings were counted for edit links
[06:36:24] <TimStarling>	or this...
[06:36:24] <Splarka>	so it might have been links and divs and crap
[06:36:27] <TimStarling>	==Hello==<!----><!---->
[06:36:32] <Splarka>	oof
[06:36:38] <TimStarling>	<root><h level="2" i="1">==Hello==<comment>&lt;!----&gt;</comment><comment>&lt;!----&gt;</comment></h></root>
[06:36:53] <TimStarling>	and it skips whitespace
[06:37:15] <TimStarling>	seems to work just fine
[06:37:19] <TimStarling>	can I skip the newsome bug now?
[06:38:06] <TimStarling>	that was the deal, right?
[06:38:13] <Splarka>	well, okay
[06:38:21] <Splarka>	but you have to update the page on meta to reflect the new rules
[06:38:39] *Splarka 	gives Tim a cookie
[06:38:47] <Splarka>	and you fixed msgnw: ^_^
[06:38:54] <TimStarling>	I did
[06:39:36] <flyingparchment>	TimStarling: what do you think about making ChangeListFormatting and HistoryFormatter classes which are part of the skin?
[06:39:43] <flyingparchment>	(i want to change how those are formatted in my skin)
[06:40:16] <TimStarling>	if you like
[06:40:30] <TimStarling>	or you could just have the skin return a class name for a formatter
[06:40:40] <TimStarling>	then the default formatter can be in the core, not in the default skin
[06:40:46] <Nikerabbit>	can hooks still override them?
[06:40:56] <flyingparchment>	well, it'd be like $sk->getChangeListFormatter()
[06:41:02] <flyingparchment>	so the default would just return a new DefaultThing()
[06:41:14] <TimStarling>	sounds good
[06:41:16] <Splarka>	and if you don't mind stupid questions, why can't you have the parser require the = character for headers to follow a newline, and the = character in template calls and parserfunctions, to follow anything else? (pipe, whitespace, tab, comment, etc)
[06:41:51] <Splarka>	{{Foo|\n==Bar==}}  1=<h2>bar</h2>
[06:42:11] <TimStarling>	that's how it is, isn't it?
[06:42:29] <Splarka>	well, editable sections
[06:42:32] <Splarka>	{{#if:1|
[06:42:33] <Splarka>	=== Uneditable ===
[06:42:33] <Splarka>	=== Editable ===
[06:42:52] <TimStarling>	yes, true
[06:43:07] <Splarka>	it might confuse #switch constructors though, but not many other people
[06:43:18] <Splarka>	{{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|
[06:43:23] <Splarka>	Talk=Foo|
[06:43:26] <Splarka>	=Bar|}}
[06:43:35] <Splarka>	(extreme example)
[06:44:36] <TimStarling>	you think it'd break less stuff that way?
[06:45:01] <Splarka>	no
[06:45:03] <Splarka>	just asking ^_^
[06:45:30] <TimStarling>	well, the answer is that templates are meant to have a higher precedence than headings
[06:46:34] <TimStarling>	but it wouldn't be the first time precedence concepts were broken in favour of DWIM
[06:47:34] <Splarka>	you could always invoke a parse directive magicword.. {{#parseorder:templates, includetags, headers, subst, magicwords, hooks}}
[06:47:45] *Splarka 	giggles
[06:47:59] <TimStarling>	mmm
[06:48:39] <Dantman|afk>	mmmmm..... action=cssjs
[06:49:16] <TimStarling>	but we could go even further with DWIM
[06:49:39] <TimStarling>	and make templates break first-level headings, but not second-level headings
[06:50:13] <TimStarling>	because who uses first-level headings anyway?
[06:50:32] *amidaniel 	does :(
[06:50:43] <Splarka>	if they really wanted them, they could use <h1>
[06:50:47] <TimStarling>	and they look a lot more like a name/value separator, at a glance, than second-level headings do
[06:50:58] <TimStarling>	well, you could do it either way
[06:51:04] <TimStarling>	it's just that either way, they won't be editable
[06:51:19] <Splarka>	who invented this silly syntax anyhow
[06:51:27] <Dantman|Busy>	heh
[06:51:42] <Splarka>	this sort of thing gets villagers with torches and pitchforks storming your walls
[06:51:45] <Dantman|Busy>	^_^ Well, at least [[link]] was a nice idea
[06:52:35] <Splarka>	oh, you mean break=>ineditable, ahh
[06:52:46] <TimStarling>	yes
[06:53:02] <TimStarling>	formatting depends on the main pass, but section edit links depend on the preprocessor
[06:53:34] <Dantman|Busy>	Splarka: en.anime was changed to anime... T_T now I need to change that in all the CSS/JS references I have because Wikia's redirection script sucks and redirects page queries to the Main Page breaking script references...
[06:53:34] <TimStarling>	because extractSections() has to be able to identify sections in the source wikitext, not in the HTML
[06:53:46] <Splarka>	right... because which sections are "editable" sections is really a symptom of the code that splits the page into editable sections via action=edit&secton= ?
[06:53:58] <Splarka>	Dan: heh, doh
[06:54:03] <TimStarling>	more or less
[06:54:09] <TimStarling>	I've merged the two bits of code
[06:54:23] <TimStarling>	they used to be separate, section edit links and section edit
[06:54:54] <TimStarling>	now they're the same, wikitext is annotated with section markers, which can be used either to split the text for edit, or add section edit links
[06:55:17] <TimStarling>	it removes the whole bug 4899 failure mode
[06:55:20] <Splarka>	Dan: ever thought of styling anime's Special:Blockip like a Death Note notebook?
[06:55:44] <Dantman|Busy>	^_^ rofl
[06:56:28] *Splarka 	wonders why people feel the need to pass headers as template parameters anyway
[06:56:57] <Dantman|Busy>	:/ ya...
[06:57:49] <TimStarling>	ah, now here's a cute little fact
[06:58:05] <Splarka>	hmm, now if  {{foo|\n==Bar==}} is an editable section, is it an edit link to the article or to the template?
[06:58:06] <TimStarling>	named template arguments are trimmed for whitespace
[06:58:21] <TimStarling>	so name= =value is the same as name==value
[06:58:36] <TimStarling>	Splarka: to the article
[06:58:58] <Splarka>	are newlines whitespaces for purposes of trimming?
[06:59:20] <TimStarling>	yes
[06:59:30] <TimStarling>	so if double-equals is always a heading, you can simulate an equals at the start of an argument by using a space
[06:59:32] <Splarka>	how about two to create a new <p> ? foo=\n\n=header= ?
[07:00:04] <Splarka>	ahh
[07:00:05] <TimStarling>	they're both removed
[07:00:13] <lti>	nope
[07:00:23] <Splarka>	hmm, stupid questions time, would it not make sense to only trim whitespace  in a named header, before the equals?
[07:00:38] <Splarka>	{{ foo    | bar =     baz}}       {{foo|bar=     baz}}
[07:00:43] <TimStarling>	a named header?
[07:00:47] <Splarka>	named parameter
[07:01:07] <TimStarling>	that would be a huge b/c break
[07:01:45] <Splarka>	ahh well
[07:01:46] <Dantman|Busy>	T_T not to mention templates would become even more ugly... And Wikipedia's templates are horid enough...
[07:01:58] *Splarka 	snickers
[07:02:31] <TimStarling>	alright, so any objections to making double-equals a high-precedence start of heading?
[07:03:07] <Splarka>	so single headers in templates/parserfunctions/near comments/etc will still be a bit dodgy but ==foo== will reign supreme?
[07:03:57] <TimStarling>	that would be the idea... just looking at feasibility
[07:04:02] *Splarka 	abstains from objecting but likes dumbed down clarification ^_^
[07:04:03] <TimStarling>	this is nothing to do with comments though
[07:04:22] <TimStarling>	just the ambiguity between name/value separators and heading starts
[07:04:34] <Splarka>	ahh k
[07:04:44] <Dantman|Busy>	Mind some sort of readable escape?
[07:04:58] *Splarka 	wonders if the other 169 people here are voyeurs
[07:05:11] <Dantman|Busy>	I hate the \o \c, etc... escapes that extensions add...
[07:05:14] <Splarka>	damn, by the time I'd typed that out the number changed by 2
[07:05:17] <Dantman|Busy>	But I do know of one valid thing...
[07:05:44] <Dantman|Busy>	<esc>WikiText</esc> was actually a pretty good idea
[07:07:08] <TimStarling>	nothing is a good idea if it comes in XML-style tags
[07:07:14] <TimStarling>	they suck
[07:07:54] <Dantman|Busy>	perhaps some sort of delayed parsing syntax that'll allow things like pipes (|), first-level headers (=...=), nested ParserFunctions which need input from an outer ParserFunction (pointing to dpl, looping [bad example though], and a variety of other things)...
[07:08:13] <Dantman|Busy>	It doesn't need to be xml style as far as I'm concerned...
[07:08:36] <Dantman|Busy>	I don't really care what it is... As long as it's usefull, and remains readable to the editor
[07:08:40] <Dantman|Busy>	as in...
[07:08:49] <Dantman|Busy>	No \o for {{ or \c for }}
[07:09:11] <Splarka>	what was the other plan, {{#chr:}} ?
[07:09:12] <Dantman|Busy>	Just a surrounding syntax to delay a bit of WikiTexx
[07:11:11] <Dantman|Busy>	Splarka: Btw... if you were interested... Ever seen the comments a fair time ago on Wikia... about wanting to be able to get page count statistics from another wiki?
[07:13:09] <Splarka>	'another' wiki? you mean, one with hitcounters enabled?
[07:13:34] <Splarka>	hmm, #chr: might be nice for a literal character never parsed, and #esc: for a string that is escaped one level up or down
[07:13:57] <Splarka>	{{foo|bar{{#esc:|}}baz}} with contents {{{{{1}}}}} to call {{bar|baz}}
[07:14:22] *Splarka 	giggles insanely, throws boiling pitch on the villagers
[07:14:33] <Dantman|Busy>	Splarka: No... I mean being able to getthe Article counts from a Wikia wiki onto central
[07:14:43] <Splarka>	oh
[07:14:48] <Splarka>	yes, interwiki magicwords
[07:14:48] <Dantman|Busy>	The stuff inside the statistical magic words
[07:15:00] <Dantman|Busy>	^_^ finally feel like doing that...
[07:15:14] *Splarka 	thinks those words have the power to throw Tim into a coma
[07:15:25] <Splarka>	"Abra-Cadabra: InterWiki MagicWords!"
[07:15:44] <Dantman|Busy>	It would actually be quite simple to do via db/memcached without any strain or uglyness...
[07:16:22] *AnswerGuy 	is about to upgrade a three year old internal Mediawiki installation to 1.11.1 --- reading the upgrade docs now ... but any caveats or success stories would be appreciated
[07:16:23] <Dantman|Busy>	:/ But, Wikia seams to not like dishing out a single table structure so I can make any interwiki oriented extension...
[07:16:43] <Dantman|Busy>	So, I'm probably going to be using the API...
[07:17:03] <Splarka>	what would the syntax be? {{#magic:w:c:starwars:NUMBEROFARTICLES}} ?
[07:17:24] <Dantman|Busy>	^_^ As a result... you can technically get info from any wiki, including Wikipedia...
[07:17:29] <Dantman|Busy>	Nah... to ugly...
[07:17:49] <Splarka>	well, the API is not always enabled
[07:18:01] <Dantman|Busy>	Well... anyone with it enabled
[07:18:11] <Dantman|Busy>	And only if the wiki allowed you to
[07:18:27] <Splarka>	how would it check that?
[07:18:31] <Dantman|Busy>	I'm doing magic words similar to the standard ones, except either prepending R or Remote
[07:18:38] <Splarka>	er, the victim wiki that is
[07:18:43] <Dantman|Busy>	No, other way around...
[07:19:27] <Dantman|Busy>	The local wiki is the one with the restriction to only pick out specific sites
[07:19:37] <Dantman|Busy>	And also setup aliases
[07:19:58] <Splarka>	ahh, and it would require the API being manually checked as a precondition to addition to the list
[07:20:09] <Dantman|Busy>	Eh? no...
[07:20:28] <Splarka>	"can we grab your {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} periodically?" "sure" "Do you have the API enabled?" "Um, I think so"
[07:20:49] <Dantman|Busy>	Assuming R for the prefix
[07:20:50] <Splarka>	unless you mean title=Special:Statistics&action=raw
[07:21:17] <Dantman|Busy>	{{RNUMBEROFARTICLES:string}}
[07:21:17] <TimStarling>	you could just preview a page with {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} on it
[07:21:22] <Dantman|Busy>	heh'
[07:21:24] <Splarka>	right
[07:21:28] <Splarka>	or
[07:21:37] <Splarka>	action=parse&text={{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} via the API
[07:21:47] <Dantman|Busy>	Or we could do this the clean way and grab api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics
[07:21:57] <Splarka>	you can't grab all magic words that way though
[07:22:23] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=parse&text={{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}
[07:22:38] <Dantman|Busy>	articles is API included...
[07:22:44] <Dantman|Busy>	What ones aren't?
[07:23:11] <Splarka>	that query returns the same data as title=Special:Statistics&action=raw right?
[07:23:26] <Splarka>	meta=siteinfo that is
[07:24:14] <Splarka>	do you want a list of all magic words that aren't covered by those 8 bits of data?
[07:24:36] <Splarka>	(er by that I mean 8 pieces, not one byte)
[07:24:49] <jamesmadison>	What is the best software for converting mediawiki markup to html?
[07:25:03] <Splarka>	mediawiki
[07:25:17] <OverlordQ>	lol, zing
[07:25:18] <TimStarling>	{{lc:<nowiki>x</nowiki>}}
[07:25:48] <Splarka>	some that might be handy interwiki: {{CURRENTVERSION}} {{PAGESINNAMESPACE}} {{ns:}} {{SERVERNAME}} {{SCRIPTPATH}} {{SERVER}} 
[07:26:20] <jamesmadison>	Splarka: I meant, like plain HTML, that doesn't need PHP, etc
[07:26:38] <Dantman|Busy>	This is meant just for statistical data... little of the other stuff was my intent...
[07:26:44] <Dantman|Busy>	However...
[07:27:26] <Dantman|Busy>	api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general|namespaces|statistics
[07:27:51] <Splarka>	Dan: local time, as well as current time for detecting offsets, or age of cache of intermagic
[07:28:05] <Splarka>	and then page specific stuff too, might be fun, basically everything at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words
[07:28:17] <Splarka>	jamesmadison: you mean, not parsed at all?
[07:28:46] <_wooz>	lo
[07:28:50] <Splarka>	like, take the wikicode, escape &<> and wrap it in <pre> 
[07:28:51] <Splarka>	?
[07:29:05] <Dantman|Busy>	Will return enough to also do {{CURRENTVERSION}}, {{ns:}}, {{SITENAME}}, content language, licensing, case info, and a few others...
[07:29:39] <Splarka>	{{subst:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} {{subst:wikipedia:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}}
[07:29:57] <Dantman|Busy>	eeek
[07:30:01] <Splarka>	heh heh
[07:30:09] <Dantman|Busy>	bad syntax
[07:30:22] <Splarka>	example
[07:30:35] <Dantman|Busy>	Ya ya... you want local time differences...
[07:30:49] <Splarka>	{{#ifexpr: {{subst:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} > {{subst:wikipedia:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} | we are ahead | we are behind }}
[07:30:57] <Splarka>	well, for example
[07:31:11] *Werdna 	returns
[07:31:19] <Splarka>	werdna will write it for you
[07:31:33] <Splarka>	how goes the new userrights?
[07:31:50] <Dantman|Busy>	Splarka: A smart person like myself will use both...
[07:31:52] <lti>	nope
[07:32:10] <Dantman|Busy>	api siteinfo for 99% of the stuff
[07:32:18] <jamesmadison>	Splarka: Basically, I wanted to convert my mediawiki site into plain html that could be hosted on a server without php, mysql, or mediawiki installed. I want something that can dump all of the mediawiki pages into vanilla HTML code...
[07:32:42] <Dantman|Busy>	And for the stuff that isn't in there... Allow a parse mode as long as it's allowed
[07:32:56] <Dantman|Busy>	ie: eg variable to disable that kind of heavy query
[07:32:58] <Splarka>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Alternative_parsers
[07:33:18] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/DumpHTML.php
[07:35:44] <jamesmadison>	Thanks splarka
[07:35:52] <jamesmadison>	just what I needed...
[07:43:50] <Dantman|Busy>	Splarka: Thanks to that... now I need to rename my extension to RemoteMagic
[07:44:56] <Splarka>	heh
[07:45:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Save as" tab - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10919  (10bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[08:07:40] <Nineth->	I copied the GiSHI syntax highliting as per http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi .But I am not able to see syntax hilighing
[08:16:39] <Nineth>	sorry, got dc.
[08:16:45] <Nineth>	any suggestions on my problem?
[08:17:35] <TimStarling>	Nineth: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#I_tried_that_but_it_didn.27t_work
[08:22:08] <Nineth>	clearing cache also didnt help ... let me try more
[08:22:17] <Nineth>	This is the link http://www.digitalmanic.com/
[08:25:56] <TimStarling>	why have you got it inside a <pre>?
[08:27:13] <Nineth>	I copy pasted it from the above link. I didnt add anything extra.
[08:27:45] <Nineth>	sorry - above link ... mediawiki gishi page
[08:27:49] <TimStarling>	and the result is the same too
[08:27:52] <TimStarling>	well done
[08:28:30] <TimStarling>	but maybe if you wanted it to highlight, you should have copied from the part under "Results in:"
[08:29:09] <Nineth>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[08:29:24] <TimStarling>	yeah, that's where I'm looking too
[08:30:57] <Nineth>	I copy pasted this http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi&action=edit&section=3
[08:31:15] <TimStarling>	I know
[08:31:22] <Nineth>	Ok.
[08:31:30] <Rolph>	Hi guys, please help me, what the extension using in http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php/MediaWiki:Edittools
[08:31:38] <Splarka>	hint: copy it from the view, not the edit
[08:31:45] *Splarka 	thinks Tim likes playing around too much
[08:31:45] <TimStarling>	press "show preview", what do you see?
[08:31:56] <Nineth>	same... code without syntax
[08:32:27] <TimStarling>	Splarka, you're not exactly giving it to him straight either
[08:32:33] <Splarka>	Rolf: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert
[08:32:47] *Splarka 	never claimed to not like playing around too much either
[08:32:47] <TimStarling>	I don't know if he's going to work it out for himself, but it's a bit tedious to spell it out
[08:33:02] *Splarka 	grins
[08:33:42] <TimStarling>	Nineth: delete the <pre><nowiki>
[08:33:44] <TimStarling>	then it will work
[08:33:50] <Rolph>	TimStarling, can i copy tag from wikipedia and insert in my Mediawiki:Edittools?
[08:33:52] <Nineth>	deleted.
[08:33:52] <TimStarling>	there we go, how's that for blunt?
[08:34:25] <Nineth>	TimStarling: This is a fresh installation of mediawiki... do there is any extra config I have to ?
[08:34:26] <Splarka>	blunt and too the point
[08:34:56] <TimStarling>	Rolph: you need the CharInsert extension
[08:35:35] <Rolph>	<TimStarling, i install it
[08:36:11] <TimStarling>	Nineth: yes, you're meant to install the extension
[08:36:38] <Nineth>	TimStarling: yes. I installed geshi as per the instructions of the link
[08:37:25] <TimStarling>	obviously you didn't, because it's not in your Special:Version
[08:37:39] <TimStarling>	http://www.digitalmanic.com/index.php?title=Special:Version
[08:37:43] <TimStarling>	no GeSHi
[08:37:58] <Nineth>	now check I misspelled the extension path
[08:38:00] <Nineth>	http://www.digitalmanic.com/
[08:38:57] <Nineth>	I see errors. so positive ;)
[08:39:03] <Splarka>	now if you could make the php error syntax hilighted, that'd be fun
[08:39:34] <Nineth>	(restored localsettings.php)
[08:39:37] <TimStarling>	PHP Warning:  require_once(xtensions/geshi/geshi.php) [<a href='function.require-once'>function.require-once</a>]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in E:\Domains\digitalmanic.com\wwwroot\LocalSettings.php on line 131
[08:40:03] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?1afGuGMgetDTe0lVTtU7Tw
[08:40:08] *Splarka 	snickers
[08:40:26] <TimStarling>	yeah, that
[08:40:29] <TimStarling>	he's almost got it
[08:40:30] <Nineth>	TimStarling: What I have missed... which caused GeSHI is not listed in version page?
[08:41:01] <TimStarling>	Nineth: you're meant to put the following at the end of your LocalSettings.php:
[08:41:03] <TimStarling>	require_once("extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php");
[08:41:09] <TimStarling>	without the <TimStarling>
[08:41:27] <Nineth>	folder/file name matters?
[08:41:31] <Werdna>	TimStarling: oops! That's what I've been doing wrong!
[08:41:37] <Splarka>	<TimStarling /> or <TimStarling></TimStarling> also work (JOKE!)
[08:41:46] <Nineth>	>> If needed, change the following line in SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.class.php to suit the path of your geshi.php file
[08:41:48] <TimStarling>	Nineth: I'm afraid so
[08:42:02] *Hojjat 	LOLs to Splarka
[08:42:33] <TimStarling>	don't change anything in SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.class.php
[08:42:42] <TimStarling>	if you have changed something, revert it
[08:43:18] <Nineth>	I didnt change anything in that file. Just the folde name from GeSHi-1.0.7.20 to geshi 
[08:43:34] <TimStarling>	good
[08:44:01] <TimStarling>	how are you going with that LocalSettings.php change?
[08:44:33] <Nineth>	I use FileZilla
[08:44:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account created even when email bounces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12767  (10N/A)
[08:44:45] <TimStarling>	good for you
[08:47:42] <Rolph>	FCKeditor work with Charinsert?
[08:49:37] <TimStarling>	I doubt it
[08:57:02] <Rolph>	fck
[08:57:04] <Rolph>	:(
[08:57:17] <Nineth>	TimStarling: installed GeSHi is working fine. I tested at http://www.digitalmanic.com/extensions/geshi/test.php
[08:59:22] <TimStarling>	Nineth: I told you what you need to do, are you ignoring me?
[08:59:39] <Nineth>	you told me?... let me scroll :P
[09:00:03] <Nineth>	I didnt get you :(
[09:00:05] <TimStarling>	put the following at the end of your LocalSettings.php:
[09:00:08] <TimStarling>	require_once("extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php");
[09:00:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localisation of navbar show/hide links via wfMsgCentre - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12758  +comment (10hippytrail)
[09:00:14] <TimStarling>	I don't care if it doesn't work, just do it
[09:00:29] <TimStarling>	make the change, and then we'll make the other necessary changes once that's done
[09:00:33] <Nineth>	it is already at the end of the local settings
[09:00:41] <Nineth>	it is the last line
[09:01:04] <Nineth>	.. you want me to rename folders?
[09:01:06] <TimStarling>	well, thing is, it's still not in your Special:Version
[09:01:13] <TimStarling>	and your wiki's not broken
[09:01:29] <TimStarling>	so that implies that you've put something else in your LocalSettings.php which is different to what I told you
[09:01:45] <Nineth>	yes.. let me change.
[09:04:05] <Nineth>	changed all... no luck .. cleared cache also.
[09:05:27] <TimStarling>	ok, we're getting there then
[09:05:49] <TimStarling>	now, you have a directory called extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[09:05:57] <TimStarling>	move that to just "geshi"
[09:06:10] <TimStarling>	i.e. E:\Domains\digitalmanic.com\wwwroot\geshi
[09:06:30] <TimStarling>	do NOT change your LocalSettings.php
[09:06:37] <Nineth>	Ok.
[09:07:26] <Nineth>	moved.
[09:07:42] <Nineth>	now we have error.
[09:07:55] <TimStarling>	alright, now create a new directory called extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[09:08:00] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30109 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:08:00] <CIA-41>	* Make lc and uc parser functions skip strip markers
[09:08:00] <CIA-41>	* Made ==foo==<!----> create a valid section edit link
[09:08:00] <CIA-41>	* Changed header processing heuristics -- now double-equals signs are generally
[09:08:00] <CIA-41>	respected as header starts, and will break template invocations, and single
[09:08:01] <CIA-41>	equals signs are respected as header syntax but might not generate a section
[09:08:05] <CIA-41>	edit link.
[09:08:19] <TimStarling>	with that exact capitalisation
[09:08:24] <Nineth>	created
[09:08:52] <TimStarling>	download the 4 files from here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/
[09:08:57] <TimStarling>	if you haven't done so already
[09:09:08] <TimStarling>	and put them in your extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi directory
[09:09:24] <Nineth>	i downloaded zip directly from gishi website
[09:09:34] <TimStarling>	I know, but that was not the only file you needed
[09:09:38] <TimStarling>	you also need those 4 files
[09:09:46] <Nineth>	aha...
[09:09:51] <Nineth>	I will download these too
[09:10:06] <TimStarling>	I'll make links for you
[09:10:07] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/README?view=co
[09:10:21] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.class.php?view=co
[09:10:33] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.i18n.php?view=co
[09:10:43] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php?view=co
[09:11:14] <Nineth>	thanks :)
[09:11:19] <Werdna>	TimStarling: isn't there a css file in there somewhere?
[09:11:25] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[09:11:55] <TimStarling>	Werdna: it's generated by the PHP file
[09:12:23] <Nineth>	TimStarling: now I have to upload to extensions\SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi right?
[09:13:04] <TimStarling>	Nineth: yes
[09:13:10] <Nineth>	uploaded.
[09:13:38] <TimStarling>	Nineth: I'm not seeing it
[09:13:47] <TimStarling>	http://www.digitalmanic.com/extensions/SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi/README
[09:14:08] <TimStarling>	hmm, maybe you have some of the other files
[09:14:11] <Nineth>	it is a txt file.. I will rename
[09:14:19] <Nineth>	now check
[09:14:43] <TimStarling>	alright, it'll do
[09:16:07] <TimStarling>	hmmm, where did your geshi.php go?
[09:16:40] <Nineth>	wwwroot\
[09:16:50] <Nineth>	wwwroot\gishi
[09:17:43] <TimStarling>	http://www.digitalmanic.com/geshi/geshi.php
[09:17:46] <TimStarling>	it says file not found
[09:18:00] <TimStarling>	and this does too: http://www.digitalmanic.com/gishi
[09:18:20] <Nineth>	let me check
[09:18:30] <TimStarling>	you need to have the complete installation of GeSHi, from the zip, in your geshi directory
[09:18:41] <Nineth>	filename was SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi.php .. now I changed to geshi.php
[09:19:05] <TimStarling>	ah good
[09:19:10] <TimStarling>	and now it's working on your main page
[09:19:46] <Nineth>	great :D
[09:20:08] <Nineth>	Thanks a lot TimStarling .. I learned how to install an extension :D
[09:20:12] <TimStarling>	no problem
[09:20:27] <TimStarling>	next time, try to avoid renaming files
[09:20:36] <TimStarling>	we give them different names for a reason
[09:20:45] <Nineth>	Ok.
[09:21:06] <TimStarling>	so we don't get them confused, you know?
[09:21:55] <Nineth>	yes. ok.
[09:26:57] *Splarka 	wonders if #tag could be modified to include support for wikifying html tags, so as to split them between templates without requiring tidy
[09:27:27] <Splarka>	{{#tagopen:span|}} stuff {{#tagclose:span|}}
[09:41:17] <sdousley|work>	Hi, does anyone know of a link that describes the process of upgrading from 1.11.10 to 1.11.1
[09:42:10] <TimStarling>	untar over the top
[09:42:13] <TimStarling>	then you're done
[09:42:33] <TimStarling>	assuming you mean 1.11.0
[09:43:55] <sdousley|work>	Sorry, yeh, 1.11.0-1.11.1 hehe Any files that i need to be aware of to avoid it breaking? And is there anything to do other than simply untar over the top?
[09:44:22] <TimStarling>	as long as you haven't patched anything, it should be fine
[09:44:42] <sdousley|work>	:) I guess i need to not overwrite localsettings.php ?
[09:44:54] <TimStarling>	well, there's no LocalSettings.php in the tar
[09:44:58] <TimStarling>	for this exact reason
[09:45:05] <sdousley|work>	ah, ok :)
[09:45:35] <sdousley|work>	So there isn't hehe :)
[09:45:46] <TimStarling>	for safety, you should probably back up the directory first
[09:45:51] <TimStarling>	shouldn't take long
[09:45:57] <sdousley|work>	And is there any reason there's *ONLY* a tar.gz version? Not a zip version also?
[09:46:22] <Werdna>	because it's usually used on unix-based systems, and we like to stick it to windows users
[09:46:25] <Werdna>	or something
[09:47:02] <OverlordQ>	repacking it to zip is kinda pointless as any decent compression (windows wise) can open it anyways
[09:47:09] <OverlordQ>	*utility
[09:47:24] <sdousley|work>	Well, i am a linux user, but This wiki is hosted on windows hehe
[09:49:07] <TimStarling>	the obvious reason is because the guy who makes the releases is overworked and windows users don't pay him anything
[09:50:15] <sdousley|work>	But if it's aimed at unix-systems, it's just a bash script that would tar the files, simply need to add a zip command to that as well ;)
[09:50:40] <OverlordQ>	still pointless to make, imo
[09:51:05] <TimStarling>	I very much doubt there is any bash script
[09:52:01] <OverlordQ>	your average user probably wouldn't even notice the .tar.gz extension and see it has the 7zip/winzip/winrar icon and not know the difference
[09:53:29] <sdousley|work>	That is of course assuming that they are installed on the server, and if not, the person wont have much of a clue about how to extract the tar.gz file.
[09:54:21] <OverlordQ>	call it the Idiot Test then
[09:54:30] <sdousley|work>	hehe
[09:54:47] <sdousley|work>	Well, that's gotta be the most painless upgrade process i *EVER* been through!
[10:00:40] <piksi>	sdousley|work: it would be just about the most useless thing ever to package it as .zip imo. i don't even understand why anyone would ever want to run a server or wiki on windows. besides, good windows apps like 7zip can handle .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 
[10:01:04] <piksi>	iirc at least
[10:01:19] <TimStarling>	piksi: bored?
[10:01:35] <piksi>	TimStarling: a tad, yes
[10:02:14] <TimStarling>	you seem to be baiting
[10:02:32] <sdousley|work>	and i was about to take it, but decided against it
[10:06:56] <piksi>	TimStarling: not actually, but yeah i admit it was pointless as OverlordQ had already laid out the facts earlier
[10:08:26] <TimStarling>	##php is quite good for arguments, maybe you should go there
[10:08:36] <TimStarling>	I always end up having an argument when I join that channel
[10:08:47] <domas>	haha
[10:08:53] <domas>	that is very fun channel
[10:09:03] <domas>	I wonder how many times I was called an idiot there
[10:09:10] <ziwi>	I'm looking for someone who has experience with wiki
[10:09:22] <domas>	good morning
[10:09:31] <TimStarling>	morning domas
[10:09:40] <ziwi>	morning domas
[10:10:16] <Werdna>	hey domas
[10:10:18] <ziwi>	does anyone know how to code the wiki download and upload button
[10:11:07] <ziwi>	if anyone knows, please help
[10:13:44] <Werdna>	what do you mean?
[10:15:46] <ziwi>	i've started working with wiki, i've been playing around with it. i wonder if its possible to put something in there for users to download and when users need to download anything
[10:16:28] <Werdna>	well, there's upload functionality.
[10:16:28] <piksi>	sure, just upload them with the upload files link and then present a link to the file on some page
[10:16:33] <ziwi>	sorry i meant for users to download and uplad documents
[10:19:03] <ziwi>	thanks, that helped
[10:38:57] <omnivibe>	does anyone know what could be causing sudden logouts?
[10:39:07] <omnivibe>	sometimes after 5 hours, sometimes after 5 mins
[10:39:39] <omnivibe>	and I set session.gc_maxlifetime = 18000 in php.ini
[10:45:28] <Splarka>	hey Patrick1, ya made it
[10:46:36] <Patrick1>	yes, I see
[10:46:49] <omnivibe>	did anyone answer my question during the netsplit?
[10:46:53] <Splarka>	TimStarling is about to switch it over I think
[10:48:34] <Splarka>	thanks for fixing m:Template:For btw, none of us were enjoying pondering that
[10:49:23] <Patrick1>	you are welcome
[10:49:55] *Splarka 	shudders internally at that template
[10:50:57] <Splarka>	Patrick: being enabled on en.wp (I guess the action is going on in #wikimedia-tech .. I think that IRC client has permission to join there, if you wanna try it)
[11:09:58] <SysRq868>	Can a sortable table column be added up automatically?
[11:21:49] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30110 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (bug 12738) Database query syntax error in maintenance/storage/compressOld.inc
[11:25:01] *Hojjat 	welcomes wikibugs back!
[11:26:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Internet Explorer should be added to javascript browser detection globals - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12766  summary; +comment (10herd)
[11:29:38] <CIA-41>	03avar * r30111 10/trunk/webstatscollector/Makefile: link to pthread since we use pthread_create
[11:30:58] <CIA-41>	03avar * r30112 10/trunk/webstatscollector/ (collector.c collector.h export.c): #include <db.h> not <db4/db.h>, db.h is in /usr/include/db.h on e.g. debian
[11:32:39] <CIA-41>	03avar * r30113 10/trunk/webstatscollector/collector.c: (log message trimmed)
[11:32:39] <CIA-41>	Free the bdb databases before exiting the program, this fixes the
[11:32:39] <CIA-41>	following problem reported by valgrind:
[11:32:39] <CIA-41>	==8746== 8,380 bytes in 2 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 2 of 3
[11:32:39] <CIA-41>	==8746== at 0x4A1B858: malloc (vg_replace_malloc.c:149)
[11:32:40] <CIA-41>	==8746== by 0x4BDC95B: __os_malloc (in /usr/lib/libdb-4.3.so)
[11:32:44] <CIA-41>	==8746== by 0x4BB0F18: __db_shalloc (in /usr/lib/libdb-4.3.so)
[11:46:10] <chmac>	Anyone know if I can delete myself as a user on a mediawiki install?
[11:48:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP notice when Sidebar is edited. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  +comment (10huji.huji)
[11:48:20] <chmac>	Hmm, not possible it seems... :)
[11:48:21] <Werdna>	it's possible with database access. Don't do it, though.
[11:48:38] <chmac>	Werdna: I tried to log in via OpenID, it failed, so I created an account
[11:48:48] <chmac>	Now the OpenID login works, but my username is already taken!
[11:48:55] <chmac>	So I really want to merge the two logins
[11:49:09] <chmac>	But I know openID is a plugin, and I'm not an admin on the wiki, so no idea if I can do it or not
[11:49:17] <Werdna>	if you haven't done any editing or anything, you can just run a delete query on the user table.
[11:49:31] <Werdna>	but it has to be a completely virgin account
[11:50:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Increase rate limit for rollbacker group to 10 per minute - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12760  (10huji.huji)
[11:52:17] <chmac>	Werdna: Hmm
[11:52:22] <chmac>	I edited a page already
[11:52:45] <chmac>	Werdna: Plus, I'd have to wait for someone who admins the wiki to do it
[11:52:55] <chmac>	I'll probably just not use the openID login, unless they can merge them, bah :(
[12:04:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  +comment (10huji.huji)
[12:04:36] <cirwin>	does anyone know... When a <script> tag is dynamically added to the document head (using javascript). Is it possible for runOnloadHook() [wikibits.js] to run before the script has downloaded fully
[12:06:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error page from rollback of first revision has inaccurate title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12771  +comment (10huji.huji)
[12:09:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP notice when Sidebar is edited. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  +comment (10praveen)
[12:13:12] <Splarka>	cirwin: if the <script> tag is added before the onloads, it shouldn't be, but of course you can add the <script> later too
[12:13:21] <Splarka>	or even run runOnloadHook() manually in the script X_X
[12:14:45] <CIA-41>	03avar * r30114 10/trunk/webstatscollector/generate-test-data.pl: 
[12:14:45] <CIA-41>	script that generates test data for the collector and flings it at
[12:14:45] <CIA-41>	port 3815, written for testing a memory leak
[12:16:03] <cirwin>	ok, the script is added conditionally in Monobook.js, so it should be added before runOnloadHook
[12:16:18] <cirwin>	s/Monobook/Common/
[12:17:13] <DiSpy>	Hi, can someone reccomend the best way to embed video? I found http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Video_player_extensions but I want the latest and greatest... thanks.
[12:17:14] <cirwin>	There was a report that in IE7 the first time it would have enabled it loads but doesn't run, the second and subsequent times it loads and runs normally
[12:17:17] <hippietrail>	my msie wiktionary page is still stalled and hogging cpu but i opened another msie window afterwards to do ms update and it's working
[12:17:31] <Splarka>	all bets are off with ie
[12:17:39] <jeroenvrp>	is it possible to file cache pages for logged in users, or better 1 particular user? (with expiration)
[12:17:52] <hippietrail>	let's just not support ie for mediawiki
[12:18:34] <cirwin>	Splarka: would it be possible to update the addOnloadHook function so that it runs the hook immediately if(doneOnloadHook)
[12:19:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP notice when Sidebar is edited. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  (10hippytrail)
[12:19:49] *Splarka 	blinks a bit
[12:20:10] <Splarka>	hookEvent("load", runOnloadHook);
[12:20:27] <Splarka>	which then adds either .addEventListener or .attachEvent to the window...
[12:20:35] <cirwin>	yes, that works 99% of the time
[12:20:36] <Splarka>	both of which in theory wait for the document to be ready
[12:20:37] <Splarka>	but IE sucks
[12:20:37] <lti>	nope
[12:20:54] <Splarka>	so. hmm
[12:21:19] <Splarka>	on your dynamically loading script...
[12:21:32] <DiSpy>	sorry, I can't help with this issue, but I agree... IE sucks... it gives me problems constantly when coding sites.
[12:21:34] <Splarka>	you might try adding a hookEvent instead of addOnloadHook? 
[12:21:45] <Splarka>	er, no...
[12:21:53] <cirwin>	hmm, but id onload is already called it wontwork for the same reason
[12:21:57] <cirwin>	s/id/if
[12:22:05] <Splarka>	but you might try adding an addHandler() to an object other than the body
[12:22:14] <Splarka>	grr, ie sucks
[12:23:52] <cirwin>	well, I suppose it could check manually for doneOnloadHook and decide whether to addOnloadHook or run
[12:24:01] <Splarka>	so, which is the problem...
[12:24:22] <Splarka>	it runs too soon? or it fails to add the last addOnloadHook before running them?
[12:24:37] <Splarka>	you could be sneeky maybe
[12:24:40] <cirwin>	runOnloadHooks runs before the addOnloadHook
[12:25:03] *Splarka 	thinks
[12:26:08] *Splarka 	can only think that IE sucks, meh
[12:26:38] *cirwin 	agrees
[12:27:07] <Splarka>	well 
[12:27:16] <Splarka>	why not put the addOnloadHook after the importScript()
[12:27:24] <draugath>	Does anyone here have a working install of MW 1.11.0 using MySQL 5.0.45, that wouldn't mind sharing their my.cnf?  
[12:27:37] <Splarka>	importScript(FooBar); addOnloadHook(BooFar) //IE bug
[12:28:15] <hippietrail>	the addonloadhook should be after the importscript anyway
[12:28:18] <cirwin>	hmm, its worth a try, but I feel it will bork with an undefined error
[12:30:59] <cirwin>	hippietrail: do you want to see if you can work out how to test that
[12:31:39] <cirwin>	no, it fails function is not defined
[12:31:49] <hippietrail>	i broke my brain and wasted my day off and may have klled my computer again trying to debug js on msie yesterday
[12:31:52] <Splarka>	doh
[12:32:52] <hippietrail>	sometimes the power comes on but it doesn't boot. but earlier today it shut down while i was using it - but didn't power off - looked like some kind of emergency shutdown - even played a quick windows tune
[12:33:38] <cirwin>	the only good thing about msie is that it is completely odourless
[12:33:58] <Splarka>	because it doesn't nose anything!
[12:34:05] <cirwin>	:)
[12:34:36] <cirwin>	hippietrail: those edits to custom.js seem to have got themselves stuck in the cache, WT:PREFS not working at all atm
[12:34:49] <Grondin>	hi
[12:35:20] <Grondin>	A problem with includes/ProtectionForm.php r30110
[12:35:21] <Grondin>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/ProtectionForm.php?r1=29770&r2=30110&sortby=date
[12:35:45] <Grondin>	Expiry date appairs twice !
[12:35:50] <hippietrail>	cirwin: i did finally get it working in the msie here by replacing key importscripts with documents writes - but now it's stalled again even with the js in the caches not being changed
[12:36:19] <hippietrail>	cirwin: so WT:PREFS isn't working for you on msie or not working for you at all?
[12:36:23] <cirwin>	hippietrail: afaict only the actual prefernces page is not loading
[12:36:32] <cirwin>	the prefs seem to be doing their thing
[12:37:13] <hippietrail>	Splarka: does [if IE] work or just stuff like [if IE 7] and [if lt IE 5.5000] ?
[12:37:24] <cirwin>	if IE works too
[12:37:39] <hippietrail>	where do you msie haters learn this stuff? (-;
[12:37:44] <Splarka>	http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512.aspx
[12:38:06] <cirwin>	hippietrail: along the long and bitter road to real hate
[12:38:21] <Werdna>	!$wgserver
[12:38:21] --mwbot--	The base URL of the server, including protocol and without the trailing slash. (eg, "http://www.mediawiki.org")  For further information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgServer>
[12:38:37] <hippietrail>	we're not born hating ms - we learn to hate them as we grow
[12:38:45] <cirwin>	something like that
[12:40:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10huji.huji)
[12:41:42] <Splarka>	bah
[12:41:50] <Splarka>	so the only lame solution I can think of...
[12:42:03] <Splarka>	which I guess is what you were saying earlier cirwin
[12:43:19] <Splarka>	add to the main js:
[12:43:20] <Splarka>	var doneOnloadHook = false;
[12:43:20] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() { doneOnloadHook = true; });
[12:43:54] <cirwin>	doneOnloadHook is already there, to prevent repeated runOnloadHooks
[12:44:00] <Splarka>	and then 
[12:44:08] <Splarka>	is it? ahh k
[12:44:09] <Splarka>	if(!doneOnloadHook) { function } else { addOnloadHook(function) }
[12:44:23] <Splarka>	er, remove the !
[12:44:27] <Splarka>	bah, IE sucks sucks
[12:44:32] <cirwin>	yes
[12:45:18] <Splarka>	well
[12:45:21] <cirwin>	[wikibits.js] line 28: if(doneOnloadHook)return hookFunct;
[12:45:32] <Splarka>	it doesn't make much sense not to add that same thing to function addOnloadHook(hookFunct) {}
[12:45:34] <cirwin>	hookFunct();
[12:45:47] <cirwin>	yes
[12:45:52] <Splarka>	if(!doneOnloadHook) { onloadFuncts[onloadFuncts.length] = hookFunct; } else { addOnloadHook(hookFunct) }
[12:46:04] <Splarka>	although there may be times when you want it suppressed
[12:46:27] <cirwin>	Splarka: I can't think of many
[12:46:46] <Splarka>	some script writers aren't terribly bright, there may be times
[12:46:53] <Splarka>	if(!doneOnloadHook) { onloadFuncts[onloadFuncts.length] = hookFunct; } else { if(!strict) { addOnloadHook(hookFunct) } }
[12:47:00] <Splarka>	where:  function addOnloadHook(hookFunct,strict) {
[12:47:24] <Splarka>	anyway, I smell a bugzilla bug
[12:47:34] *cirwin 	goes to bugzilla
[12:47:50] <Splarka>	search for existing ^_^
[12:50:19] <Morbus>	hrm...
[12:50:47] <Morbus>	wikipedia google entries come up with the start of the content. but my mediawiki search entries come up with "From Video Underbelly. Jump to: navigation, search" and THEN the content.
[12:50:50] <Morbus>	any ideas why?
[12:51:44] <Splarka>	cirwin: http://p.defau.lt/?LLJn37M0oTRwUPWQQJgWgw  would work nice, I think?
[12:51:50] <Morbus>	ah, wikipedia doesn't have those internal links.
[12:52:03] <cirwin>	Splarka: thats what I was thinking of
[12:52:46] <Splarka>	and then if for some insane reason you didn't want the failsafe... addOnloadHook(foo,true);
[12:52:57] <cirwin>	yes
[12:53:06] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30115 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Skin.php): (bug 12753) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors
[12:53:52] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  summary; +comment (10huji.huji)
[12:54:34] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30116 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Move special case from core to the Newuserlog extension itself.
[12:54:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Impossible to rename or protect a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772 04CRIT; high; MediaWiki: Page editing; (bertrand.grondin)
[12:57:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) JS: addOnloadHook() calls after runOnloadHook() fail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12773 minor; low; MediaWiki: User interface; (conrad.irwin)
[12:57:23] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30117 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialVersion.php: 
[12:57:23] <CIA-41>	* Sort elements by alphabet
[12:57:23] <CIA-41>	* Consistent usage of XML functions
[12:59:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS: addOnloadHook() calls after runOnloadHook() fail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12773  (10hippytrail)
[13:01:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Protection settings shall be maintained after a page is deleted? - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12774 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (huji.huji)
[13:02:22] <ovis>	Hi there, what special magic do i need to changes the left side panel where the search and navigation is at ??
[13:02:40] <ovis>	i really dont have a clue on how its called
[13:02:45] <Splarka>	define 'change'
[13:02:52] <cirwin>	edit http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar 
[13:02:54] <Splarka>	the boxes there are called 'portlets'
[13:02:58] <ovis>	so i cant find any good documentation 
[13:03:01] <Splarka>	the top one is editable via the link cirwin pasted
[13:03:02] <Hojjat>	! Sidebar | ovis
[13:03:26] <ovis>	Lets say i wand to add Indexes 
[13:03:34] <Splarka>	the rest are changable by css (style), js (content), and php (hacking)
[13:03:35] <Hojjat>	!Sidebar | ovis
[13:03:35] --mwbot--	ovis: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[13:04:08] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30118 10/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates German
[13:04:08] <ovis>	Thanks, i hope this is my lead !
[13:06:19] <ovis>	mwbot, i am new to this, if you say edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]], is that a page or a tag in a page ?
[13:06:20] <lti>	nope
[13:06:59] <cirwin>	it is a page
[13:07:14] <cirwin>	index.php/Mediawiki:Sidebar
[13:08:30] <ovis>	i cant go to index.php/Mediawiki:Sidebar maybe no friendly url
[13:08:43] <ovis>	i use Lighttpd
[13:08:47] <cirwin>	index.php?title=Mediawiki:Sidebar
[13:09:10] <Morbus>	has anyone had any problems getting Google Images to index MediaWiki served Image:s?
[13:10:24] <ovis>	cirwin thanks i found it
[13:12:15] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30119 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): No need to revert r30078: HTML-formatting the data is enough. Attacks like api.php?action=paraminfo&modules=%3Cscript%3Ealert('Owned');%3C/script%3E&format=txt don't work anymore now.
[13:12:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  +comment (10thomas.dalton)
[13:12:29] <mboman>	is there a wiki markup for strike-through?
[13:12:47] <cirwin>	mboman: just html <s>struck</s>
[13:16:47] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30120 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatDbg.php ApiFormatTxt.php ApiMain.php): Tweaking r30119: changing txt and dbg's MIME type to text and adding txtfm and dbgfm with HTML-escaped stuff.
[13:18:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to rename or protect a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772  (10bertrand.grondin)
[13:20:32] <Grondin>	TimStarling, I've seen a problem with r30106 about Preprocessor_DOM.php about text memory limit
[13:21:01] <RoanKattouw>	Grondin: It's 0:20 at Tim's, he might not reply
[13:21:21] <Grondin>	oh !
[13:21:28] <leo|lap>	Trying to find some information on how to add users to MediaWiki directly to the user table. Is there any good documentation on this procedure somewhere?
[13:21:34] <Grondin>	Where does he live
[13:21:41] <RoanKattouw>	Australia, I think
[13:21:55] <Grondin>	ooops
[13:22:41] <RoanKattouw>	And at Brion's it's like 5:22 now (in the morning)
[13:22:44] <Splarka>	Grondin: test.wikipedia and en.wikipedia are running r30109 atm
[13:23:07] <Splarka>	with the new parser, that is
[13:23:47] <Splarka>	looks like the rest of wikimedia is on r30109 with the old parser
[13:27:01] <Grondin>	I don't understand why it's don't run on my wiki
[13:27:20] <Grondin>	The reason : memory limit is bugged
[13:27:33] <Splarka>	ahh
[13:30:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775 major; high; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[13:36:21] <hippietrail>	it's 12.36am in sydney
[13:37:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10hippytrail)
[13:38:06] <Danny_B>	hippietrail: vote for it! ;-)
[13:38:19] <hippietrail>	(-:
[13:39:44] <Splarka>	darn you hippie
[13:39:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10herd)
[13:39:50] <Splarka>	I've never seen an edit conflict on bugzilla before
[13:40:23] <Splarka>	doh
[13:40:47] *Splarka 	adds r27456 as a clickable link
[13:41:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10herd)
[13:42:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Internet Explorer should be added to javascript browser detection globals - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12766  (10danny_b)
[13:44:20] <Malfunc>	Sorry, what is PM?
[13:44:30] <Malfunc>	*Excause me
[13:45:07] <cirwin>	Malfunc: where?
[13:45:17] <Danny_B>	Malfunc: it depends. pm can be afternoon or private message
[13:45:26] <Danny_B>	or something else
[13:45:32] <Danny_B>	depends on context
[13:46:01] <cirwin>	ah well
[13:54:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account created even when email bounces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12767  (10danny_b)
[13:58:53] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30121 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProtectionForm.php: partly revert of r30110. looks like an accident.
[14:00:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) English pre-defined delete summary filled even if interface in different language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12776 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[14:02:24] <hippietrail>	cirwin: i cleared all my user data from msie7, went to wiktionary, worked as anon, logged in, still worked, went to WT:PREFS - no prefs
[14:02:38] <misty_wrk>	good morning :)  I've Googled and I'm stumped.  How do I use <pre> within a list element?  I'm always either resetting the list or the <pre> only affects one line of the output.
[14:03:36] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID)  English pre-defined delete summary filled even if interface in different language - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12776  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:04:32] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Clear cache?
[14:05:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable new parser on Wikimedia (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12652  (10danny_b)
[14:05:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to rename or protect a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772  (10danny_b)
[14:05:32] <hippietrail>	RoanKattouw: if i do that it will begin to work, but the cache should be clear since i just cleared *everything*
[14:06:13] <shoebox>	hi, if i create a page "foo", and add sections ("== section1 =="), mw will automatically create a collapsible TOC at the top of the page; sometimes it doesn't, however... is it because the page is "Category:foo"?
[14:06:37] <misty_wrk>	it's because you have fewer than 3 sections I do believe
[14:06:51] <misty_wrk>	that is customizable, I think you can have code to force the TOC
[14:06:58] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrail: Yeah, which is why an anon version of WT:PREFS got stuck in your cache
[14:07:00] <hippietrail>	cleared the cache. WT:PREFS is now there
[14:07:06] <RoanKattouw>	shoebox: __TOC__
[14:07:13] <shoebox>	thanks, misty_wrk and roan
[14:07:19] <misty_wrk>	http://codex.wordpress.org/Codex:Styles
[14:08:01] <hippietrail>	i thought the URLs differed by username so it might be in the cache but a different one should've been downloaded from a different URL
[14:08:03] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: well, on multilingual pages such as incubator it would be useful
[14:08:36] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Note that in that case the log message will show up in Hebrew for *everyone*; it can't be translated with the current system
[14:08:41] <ialex>	RoanKattouw: why don't you use 'text/plain' as mime type for format=dbg and format=txt ?
[14:08:52] <RoanKattouw>	You can always just decide you're not lazy and fill out the summary
[14:09:02] <RoanKattouw>	ialex: Good one. I don't know too much about MIME types
[14:09:24] <ialex>	h :)
[14:09:27] <ialex>	+ a
[14:09:32] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: i understand - but say test-sysop on incubator deletes the local test page of such project where nobody from other projects cares but people from such lang do
[14:10:01] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: In that case he fills out the deletion summary in his own language
[14:10:14] <RoanKattouw>	If someone is too lazy to change the default summary, that's their fault
[14:10:26] <Danny_B>	bah, make it translatable
[14:10:57] <RoanKattouw>	ialex: text/text is better: IE has the bug that it interprets text/plain as HTML too
[14:11:11] <siebrand>	where can I find a link to rss/atom feeds in MediaWiki? Trying to find where the message "$1 RSS/Atom Feed" is being used. Sample URL will do.
[14:11:24] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Special:Recentchanges, in the sidebar
[14:11:30] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: thanks
[14:11:50] <RoanKattouw>	Danny_B: Again, impossible with the current system
[14:11:54] <Duesentrieb>	or any history page
[14:11:56] <ialex>	nice, IE :(
[14:12:10] <hippietrail>	ok. so now edited my personal js to put back importScript instead of document.write; went to another page; did force-reload; got "error: object expected" and browser is hung again
[14:12:29] <misty_wrk>	hmm, it looks like I have to use <br /> to create my newlines in <code> in a list :(
[14:12:50] <Danny_B>	RoanKattouw: i heard that. so that's what i'm saying - make it. change the system. ;-)
[14:13:07] <RoanKattouw>	For one message?
[14:14:01] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: hmm, that does not appear to be the message '$1 RSS Feed" displayed there.
[14:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: There is "RSS Atom" in the sidebar right above "Special pages"
[14:14:52] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: yep. But the message I am looking for is "$1 RSS Feed"
[14:15:02] <RoanKattouw>	What's $1?
[14:15:10] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: the ones you pointed to are "RSS" and "Atom"
[14:15:28] <RoanKattouw>	Right; what's the name (key) of the message?
[14:15:37] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: msg IDs are "Site-rss-feed" and "Site-atom-feed"
[14:16:01] *RoanKattouw 	greps
[14:18:19] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Wikipedia RSS Feed" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&amp;feed=rss" /> in the HTML header
[14:18:36] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: ah, so $1 is {{SITENAME}}
[14:18:48] <RoanKattouw>	Yep
[14:19:03] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: thanks, mate
[14:19:16] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[14:22:20] <majorjc>	Hello, I'm here for a little help if possible, I've been trying for two days to insert some statcounter code into some of my mediawiki pages and I can't figure out how to get it to work.  It uses javascript that is hosted on the statcounter.com website
[14:23:12] <misty_wrk>	I think you have to put it in the <head> of your template
[14:24:02] <majorjc>	That will put it on every page in the wiki won't it?  Is there not a way to put it on individual pages?
[14:25:21] <misty_wrk>	oh.  I suppose there must be a way.  I t hink that <script> tags have to be in <head> to be strictly HTML compliant, though.
[14:26:12] <misty_wrk>	http://wincent.com/knowledge-base/Adding_Google_AdSense_to_MediaWiki
[14:26:14] <misty_wrk>	that might help you
[14:26:37] <majorjc>	ok, I'll look through that. thanks
[14:29:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10matthew.britton)
[14:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  (10alternative_to_what)
[14:35:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  (10alternative_to_what)
[14:49:29] <GerardM->	what is MediaWiki:Blocklink the message for ?
[14:49:48] <GerardM->	I do not know and it is asked by someone doing the localisation for Swahili
[14:53:41] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: i guess it's the text for the link that leads to the user-block page, as shown on recentchanges and on history pages
[14:54:02] <Duesentrieb>	shown to admins, that is
[14:54:20] <GerardM->	the English text is "Block"
[14:54:31] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[14:54:34] <Duesentrieb>	example:
[14:54:35] <Duesentrieb>	  14:53 Manual:Short URL/wiki/Page title -- No hidden subdirectory, no root access (diff; hist) . .  (+118) . . Sayuri (Talk | contribs | block) (duh)
[14:54:48] <Duesentrieb>	there it is, near the end.
[14:54:52] <GerardM->	ok
[14:55:16] <Duesentrieb>	GerardM-: let me grep and make sure my guess is right
[14:55:44] <GerardM->	Thanks, yes please :)
[14:56:29] <Duesentrieb>	SpecialContributions.php:                               $tools[] = $sk->makeKnownLinkObj( SpecialPage::getTitleFor( 'Blockip', $nt->ge) ), wfMsgHtml( 'blocklink' ) );
[14:56:36] <Duesentrieb>	looks like it, yes
[14:56:46] <GerardM->	Thanks :)
[14:56:49] <Duesentrieb>	the meaning is "block the user who made this edit"
[14:58:01] <Duesentrieb>	hm, not quite actually. it's a toolbox link. so it's just "block this user".
[14:58:03] <Duesentrieb>	close enough
[14:59:15] <Duesentrieb>	huh
[14:59:22] <Duesentrieb>	since when do we have Special:DeleteContributions?
[15:00:57] <GerardM->	I added a message on BetaWiki explaining the message .. Hope that it makes sense in this way :)
[15:01:26] <Duesentrieb>	oh, delete*d*
[15:07:30] <khrys>	Hey! I have an config issue here between Apache2 and MediaWiki. Apache2 runs our Intranet, intranet.myplace.com. We have a mediawiki there also, in /var/www/html/mediawiki. I'm trying to redirect wiki.myplace.com to /var/www/html/mediawiki. I've done similar redirects for some other subfolders, including blogs and other tools. But the mediawiki fails to show pages.
[15:08:06] <khrys>	it says : The requested URL /mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[15:08:29] <Duesentrieb>	khrys: generally, it's a bad idea to map the wiki to a document root.
[15:08:46] <Duesentrieb>	khrys: wiki *pages* need to be kept separate from mediawiki *files*
[15:09:44] <khrys>	what should I do then ?
[15:09:46] <Duesentrieb>	khrys: also, in 1.11 the ways the "pathinfo" is handeled changed, and that has additional problems with no-path pathes. the workaround is on mediawiki.org... somewhere. probably better to map to "ugly" (title=...) form anyway
[15:10:00] <Duesentrieb>	khrys: use /mw/ for files and /wiki/ for pages, for one thing
[15:10:07] <Duesentrieb>	!shorturl
[15:10:07] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[15:10:11] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblem
[15:10:11] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[15:10:55] <Wiredtape>	Hey, I have a problem with a template:tooltip , it's purpose is of course a tool tip, whenever I use it it creates a "dashed box" for the line the template is on..
[15:11:27] <Wiredtape>	Contents of Template:tooltip -> <SPAN Style="cursor: help; border-bottom: 1px dotted;" TITLE="{{{2}}}">{{{1}}}</SPAN>
[15:11:54] <khrys>	thanks, I'll try
[15:22:57] <Poundo>	I have created a custom namespace $wgExtraNamespaces = array(100 => "Ecology", 101 => "Ecology_Talk"); if NS_PROJECT refers to the Project namespace what is the NS_PROJECT equivilent of Ecology?
[15:23:11] <mikedub>	Hey cats. I've seen many wikis with columns of content (which I assume are floated divs). Is there some cookie-cutter solution for this that I'm missing, or am I going to have to put HTML into my articles?
[15:23:27] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: NS_ECOLOGY - if you define it.
[15:23:54] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: if you define constants, you would use them instead of the numbers in $wgExtraNamespaces . that makes it easier to use the namespace ids elsewhere in the config
[15:23:56] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: what if I don't?
[15:24:07] <Duesentrieb>	nothing. then you have to use the numbers. and remember which is which
[15:24:41] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki doesn't care about constants for custom namespaces. you can use them for your own good in the config, if you like
[15:25:10] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: I see I think so if I want to use Ecology in an extension I would refer to it as 100 not NS_100?
[15:25:29] <Duesentrieb>	hm... yes...
[15:25:52] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: Thank you:)
[15:25:52] <Duesentrieb>	though refering to a specific custom namespace in an extension is kind of strange. and if you do, you should really define a constant for it.
[15:26:16] <Duesentrieb>	actually, in that case, i'd say the extension itself should define the constant and also register the namespace in wgExtraNamespaces
[15:27:32] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: yea I understand now thanks again. More questions later ;-)
[15:31:02] <Wiredtape>	I really don't understand why this template is giving me greif-> http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/Template:Status , when set to any {{{type}}} apparently the div doesn't close and encapsulates the entire content of an article. Not to mention that it adds } to the end of the text... can anyone please take a look?
[15:31:29] <Poundo>	Back already! defines.php does this with project define('NS_PROJECT', 4); and Namespace.php creates the $wgCanonicalNamespaceNames array does my new NS need to be included in the $wgCanonicalNamespaceNames
[15:31:51] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[15:31:59] <Duesentrieb>	that would make no sense either.
[15:32:21] <Duesentrieb>	custom namespaces have no canonical name. or rather, they just have *a* name, period.
[15:33:47] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: Please expand a little what is *a* name and example please
[15:34:11] <Wiredtape>	Poundo, *a* name is just a name... 
[15:35:02] <Poundo>	got it. Not a cannonical name. Thanks!
[15:35:56] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30122 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (bug 12214) Add a predefined list of delete reasons to the file deletion form
[15:35:58] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: Canonical names are only for built-in namespaces (talk, user, etc.)
[15:36:23] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Add a predefined list of delete reasons to the file deletion form - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12214  summary; +comment (10huji.huji)
[15:37:14] <Hojjat>	Huh!
[15:37:24] <Wiredtape>	!huH
[15:37:24] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "huh".
[15:37:31] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[15:37:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	{{sofixit}} ;-)
[15:37:40] <Wiredtape>	hehe
[15:38:35] <Wiredtape>	any chance someone is willing to give a look at my template? 
[15:49:01] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: were is your template?
[15:51:52] <Simetrical>	chmac_away, you can ask the admins to rename the old account.
[15:53:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  +comment (10huji.huji)
[15:56:22] <mikedub>	I've seen many wikis with columns of content (which I assume are floated divs). Is there some cookie-cutter solution for this that I'm missing, or am I going to have to put additional ugly markup into my articles?
[15:57:39] <frieze>	I know it's not really possible to delete users, but can I use the renameuser extension to merge a bunch of unnecessary user accounts into one "null" account?
[15:57:52] <frieze>	It's not clear what would happen if I tried to rename a user to an existing username
[15:58:06] <RoanKattouw>	frieze: Users that haven't edited can be deleted easily
[15:58:26] <RoanKattouw>	Users that have edited but not created any log entries (moved pages, deleted them, blocked other users, etc.) can also be deleted pretty easily
[16:00:00] <frieze>	RoanKattouw: how?
[16:00:15] <RoanKattouw>	frieze: If  you have DB access...
[16:02:06] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/Template:Status -> {{pp}}=|
[16:02:06] <chmac>	Simetrical: Turns out, there's a "convert to openid" facility provided by the plugin! :)
[16:02:15] <Simetrical>	Oh, handy.
[16:02:19] <frieze>	right. Kinda afraid of breaking something
[16:02:20] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: just a sec
[16:02:23] *Simetrical 	should really look at that plugin someday
[16:02:31] <frieze>	do you know if renameuser will cleanly merge two accounts?
[16:02:34] <RoanKattouw>	frieze: Run the SQL query DELETE FROM user WHERE user_name = 'Whatever';
[16:02:39] <Simetrical>	frieze, you can't rename users to a username that exists using Renameuser.
[16:02:48] <frieze>	oh well
[16:02:53] <frieze>	that would have been nice
[16:02:55] <RoanKattouw>	frieze: If the user hasn't made any edits, that's it
[16:03:02] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, he also wants to delete from every single table that's linked to that via user_id.
[16:03:07] <Simetrical>	And preferably also via user_name.
[16:03:13] <Simetrical>	Otherwise things will quite likely break.
[16:03:23] <frieze>	that is my fear
[16:03:26] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: That's why I said "if the user hasn't made any edits"
[16:03:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  +comment (10huji.huji)
[16:03:33] <Simetrical>	It's more than edits.
[16:03:43] <RoanKattouw>	Like what? Log entries?
[16:03:52] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, what happens is the table doesn't close.. {{pp}}} doesn't work for some reason.. 
[16:03:53] <Simetrical>	Even creating the account creates a log entry, doesn't it?
[16:03:56] <RoanKattouw>	User newtalk table? (Out of the question since the user can't log in any more)
[16:04:03] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: Only if you have the Newuserlog extension
[16:04:05] <Simetrical>	Just rename the account to something and forget about it.
[16:04:10] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: okay, I'm here
[16:04:12] *Simetrical 	goes ahead and looks at the schema
[16:04:19] <Hojjat>	which table doesn't close?
[16:04:20] <frieze>	If I update the userid and username fields in every table in the DB from the old username to the one merged to then presumably the old user will go away yes? 
[16:04:33] <frieze>	though of course there will be a duplicate user entry
[16:04:38] <RoanKattouw>	frieze: You mean merge everything to one user?
[16:05:00] <frieze>	merge user fred into user bob
[16:05:03] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[16:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	It's usually just a user field, which is the user_id
[16:05:19] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, any of them... when you select a {{{type}}} for instance, messy.. you'll see a } added to the end of the text, combined with text on an article, it basically encapsulates the whole thing...
[16:05:19] <RoanKattouw>	There are exceptions to that rule
[16:05:41] <frieze>	I'll have to look at the specs for every table in the wiki I fear
[16:05:43] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: an example?
[16:05:54] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat-> http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/Immigrant_Visa_Number
[16:05:59] <Simetrical>	user_groups, revision, archive, ipblocks, image, oldimage, filearchive, recentchanges, watchlist, logging, protected_titles.  Also be sure to fix site_stats.
[16:06:03] <Simetrical>	That's only for core.
[16:06:08] <frieze>	hehe
[16:06:20] <frieze>	seems like quite a project
[16:06:31] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: and {{pp}} is supposed to add a | right?
[16:06:46] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, true..
[16:06:46] <Simetrical>	If the user is in no usergroups, has made no edits ever, has uploaded nothing ever, has never done a loggable action, has never watchlisted anything, has never protected a title, and has never blocked or been blocked, I guess you're set.
[16:06:49] <Simetrical>	Hopefully.
[16:06:55] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: and have you updated your wiki recently?
[16:06:56] <Simetrical>	Seriously, I recommend you don't bother.
[16:07:07] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: By update, I mean updating the PHP code
[16:07:24] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, other than 1.11 revision, or do you mean extensions of any kind?
[16:08:44] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: a recent change to the wikicode (on 1.12) may cause some similar bug
[16:08:48] <Hojjat>	are you using 1.11?
[16:08:57] <Wiredtape>	yeah..
[16:09:02] <Hojjat>	okay, working on it
[16:09:25] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, thanks.
[16:09:37] <Hojjat>	wait until I've done something good!
[16:09:45] <Wiredtape>	:)
[16:10:17] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: have admin rights on that wiki?
[16:11:20] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: I'll be back in five minutes
[16:23:00] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, I have admin rights...
[16:23:15] <Hojjat>	Okay, I'm back. I may create some temp pages, which you can delete later
[16:23:39] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, np.. if you could please keep them within a specific prefix/suffix?
[16:24:01] <Hojjat>	Existing page/temp
[16:24:08] <Wiredtape>	ok.
[16:26:32] <Raymond_>	Hojjat: have you seen my revert r30121? looked like an commit-accident in r30110.
[16:27:38] <Hojjat>	Raymond_: I'll take a look in a sec
[16:28:01] <Hojjat>	Ouch!
[16:28:18] <Hojjat>	Raymond_: thanks. I don't know why it happened
[16:28:33] <Hojjat>	It's been a long time since I touched ProtectionForm on my local copy
[16:28:37] <Raymond_>	Hojjat: shit happens ;-)
[16:28:37] <Hojjat>	... weired
[16:28:46] <Hojjat>	yeah
[16:28:48] <Simetrical>	Hojjat, when will strlen($heading) == 0 ever happen for a non-empty string?  Boolean false and null?
[16:29:00] <Simetrical>	Raymond_, yeah, I spotted that too, was going to comment.
[16:29:25] <Hojjat>	Simetrical: pardon?
[16:29:42] <Simetrical>	Hojjat, your commit, 30115.
[16:29:49] <Simetrical>	I don't understand what the added line does.
[16:29:51] *Simetrical 	goes to look at the bug
[16:29:58] <Hojjat>	yeah, you should check the bug
[16:30:13] <Simetrical>	Oh, undefined variable.
[16:30:15] <Hojjat>	that happens when there *is* an "empty" string used
[16:31:09] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, I have to go.. if you can, could you leave me a message on my user:Bfhappy page - if you find the problem/bug?
[16:31:27] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape: link
[16:31:30] <Hojjat>	and I'm working on it
[16:32:00] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/User:Bfhappy
[16:32:05] <Hojjat>	k
[16:32:11] <Wiredtape>	thx
[16:32:33] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape_Away: your wiki is so slow
[16:33:05] <Wiredtape_Away>	Hojjat, I don't know what's going on.. usually it isn't.. give me a sec, I'll check what else is going on..
[16:33:18] <Simetrical>	Hojjat, I'm not seeing any difference before and after that commit.  The problem is that that entire branch is skipped, not that $heading is unset within the branch.
[16:33:41] <Hojjat>	Hmmm.
[16:33:45] <Simetrical>	Hojjat, there are still tons of notices if you remove the first-level heading.  You should do dev work with error_reporting( E_ALL | E_STRICT );
[16:33:47] <Hojjat>	I ran a few tests and it worked.
[16:33:58] <Hojjat>	I have error reporting on
[16:34:01] <Hojjat>	ahhhh
[16:34:03] <Hojjat>	I see what the issue is
[16:34:24] <Hojjat>	I never blanked the "first" one. I added a blank caption after it
[16:34:29] <Hojjat>	that is why I didn't get warnings:(
[16:34:32] <Hojjat>	errrrrrrr
[16:34:41] <Hojjat>	Raymond_: shit happens twice a day?!
[16:34:50] <Hojjat>	Simetrical: i'll fix it myself. I should be punished for that
[16:35:42] <Wiredtape_Away>	Hojjat, should be better now...
[16:35:52] <Hojjat>	okay
[16:35:57] <Raymond_>	Hojjat: some days are full of that :(
[16:36:09] <Wiredtape_Away>	Hojjat, or maybe not :-\
[16:37:23] <Wiredtape_Away>	Hojjat, okay, now it's fine.. Gotta go.. thx
[16:38:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please activate Quiz extension on nds.Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12748   +shell (10jeluf)
[16:39:03] <misty_wrk>	Is there any way to use <pre> in a list without having it reset the list?
[16:42:05] <ialex>	misty_wrk: http://rafb.net/p/5rLCn064.html
[16:43:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10thomas.dalton)
[16:44:13] <misty_wrk>	ialex: yes, but what about a multi-line <pre> ?
[16:44:18] <misty_wrk>	I guess I should have specified that
[16:44:24] <misty_wrk>	I don't think I can use <br /> tag in a <pre>
[16:46:40] <misty_wrk>	oh yay!  I need the <pre> and </pre> each on their own line, with each line inside the <pre> inside its own line, with all of them prefixed by #:
[16:48:50] <misty_wrk>	Here is the monstrosity: http://rafb.net/p/b6Srlu81.html
[16:52:08] <Hojjat>	Wiredtape_Away: {{Pp}} was the cause of the issue. Check your talk page
[16:52:16] *Hojjat 	fixes the mess he made now!
[16:54:17] <Hojjat>	Simetrical: I can't see what you meant there
[16:54:53] <Hojjat>	Did you mean removing the whole caption thing?
[16:56:01] <Hojjat>	oh
[16:59:57] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30123 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (21 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-01-24 17:54 CET)
[17:04:18] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30124 10/trunk/extensions/ (52 files in 47 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-01-24 17:54 CET)
[17:06:31] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30125 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: 
[17:06:31] <CIA-41>	(bug 12753) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors.
[17:06:31] <CIA-41>	* The previous commit didn't cover the cases where the whole caption line was missing.
[17:06:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice: unserialize() Error when using Postgres - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11292  (10cbandy)
[17:07:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  (10huji.huji)
[17:07:26] <CIA-41>	03rotem * r30126 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[17:13:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Undeletion of missing files is not handled correctly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12777 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (huji.huji)
[17:19:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Watchlist should show other languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12778 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (netsettler)
[17:20:20] <CardFire>	I think the CSS content for my wiki deployment are pooched.  How do I find the common and monobook css pages?
[17:20:55] <ceselb>	I have a [[Category:something|{{{blah}}}]] , trouble is the sorting is all wrong. 30 sorts with 300 and so on.. Can that be changed and how?
[17:24:16] <Poundo>	attempting to deny read to the NS_MAIN to all users  (its an experiment)  I put this "require_once( "$IP/extensions/Lockdown/Lockdown.php" ); and $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_MAIN]['read'] = array('*')" in my LocalSettings file. No luck?
[17:24:27] <ceselb>	It autosorts to 1...0,  Ideally I'd like something like 10, 20, 30... 100, 200. Can it be done?
[17:27:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki watchlists with option for public viewing - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3525  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:27:30] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:Watchlist should show other languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12778  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:27:30] <Danny_B>	CardFire: [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css]]
[17:28:47] <CardFire>	ty for the reply, Danny_B
[17:29:20] <Danny_B>	ceselb: sorting is via strings thus 1 10 100 2 20 200...
[17:29:20] <ceselb>	or is this entirely the wrong place to ask for such trivial matters? lol
[17:29:31] <ceselb>	yeah, I figured as much.
[17:30:07] <ceselb>	Tried reading the wikipedia help pages, but I can't even figure out what it's called, much less how to change it.
[17:35:08] <kraupu>	labas
[17:41:33] <Hball>	Hello @ll
[17:42:13] <CIA-41>	03nikerabbit * r30127 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README TranslateTasks.php): * Content-Disposition header for po export
[17:44:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:Watchlist should show other languages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12778  +comment (10netsettler)
[17:49:00] <ceselb>	The only thing I can even remotely find that seems to have relations to this is <span style="display:none">sm=n</span>
[17:49:58] <ceselb>	But that doesn't work. But maybe I'm putting it in the wrong place, where should it be put? I did it in the category that I wanted sorted.
[17:50:04] <Hball>	I got stuck maybe one of you can help me
[17:51:14] <Hball>	It is maybe simple for you: I want to create an wn class for a table in the css. But when I do it and define the class in the table nothing happens
[17:59:21] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30128 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php): 
[17:59:21] <CIA-41>	API:
[17:59:21] <CIA-41>	* Added uiuser parameter to meta=userinfo that gets information about users other than the current user.
[17:59:21] <CIA-41>	* Pretty much completely rewrote userinfo to facilitate this
[18:01:35] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[18:11:53] <ceselb>	Can't be done?
[18:12:13] <CardFire_>	alright, this is my third attempt ... I am desperately trying to get infoboxen for custom software products in my wiki ... can *anyone* point me to a sample template content?
[18:12:25] <CardFire_>	I've tried everything I could find in Wikipedia
[18:14:05] <ceselb>	I don't understand the question. lol. but then I'm in here asking too.. ;p
[18:18:30] <ialex>	CardFire_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox
[18:19:05] <CardFire_>	yes, ialex  ... if I copy/paste the test infobox into my template:infobox info
[18:19:10] <CardFire_>	and then try to view it 
[18:19:21] <CardFire_>	it doesn't call properly, and I have formatting issues
[18:19:35] <CardFire_>	or else it tries to reference the infobox template, IN the infobox template
[18:19:45] <CardFire_>	either that or I'm a complete moron.  Both are also possible ;-)
[18:20:20] <ialex>	install http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions i think
[18:20:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	!parserfunctions
[18:20:31] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[18:22:02] <CardFire_>	Oh, good God ... 
[18:22:07] <CardFire_>	all this is required, out of box?
[18:22:20] *CardFire_ 	tilts his head to one side
[18:22:37] <CardFire_>	I now get to research extension installation for my wiki
[18:22:54] <Skizzerz>	it's outlined on the extension page
[18:22:57] <CardFire_>	I shouldn't be surprised ... I just didn't realize the degree of ... modular design in implementing mediawiki
[18:23:21] <CardFire_>	so, parser functions aren't ... functionally parsing in OOB installs of MediaWiki?
[18:23:33] <Skizzerz>	CardFire_: no
[18:23:58] <Skizzerz>	well, the ParserFunctions extension isn't (so those like #if, #ifeq, #expr, etc.)
[18:24:11] <ceselb>	that seems confusing, lol.
[18:24:22] <CardFire_>	all I want are functional infoboxes.
[18:24:24] <CardFire_>	*sighs*
[18:24:30] <CardFire_>	alright
[18:24:44] <Skizzerz>	CardFire_: then you need the ParserFunctions extension, and more than likely you need to enable HTML Tidy as well
[18:24:49] <CardFire_>	'kay
[18:28:13] <DrFerret>	Hi I got a question about mediawiki. I want to password protect the entire wiki, completely. I thought of using .htaccess but if I set one up it gives me a 500 error.
[18:28:33] <DrFerret>	Is that the wiki or am I doing the .htaccess wrong, never used it before.
[18:28:34] <ceselb>	bleh, can't even edit in <span style="display:none">sm=n</span> , the spam filter refuses to accept that.
[18:28:43] <brion>	DrFerret: you did something wrong with your .htaccess
[18:28:54] <brion>	perhaps your host doesn't allow them at all, or you used a directive in it that's not allowed
[18:28:54] <DrFerret>	Okies, cool.
[18:29:04] <brion>	check with your hosting provider (if you're self-hosting, check your global Apache configuration)
[18:29:24] <DrFerret>	brion - ok, thanks.
[18:29:34] <DrFerret>	Think it might be that.
[18:30:20] <ceselb>	:(
[18:31:37] <ceselb>	CAn't it be done, should I just give up?
[18:32:04] <brion>	ceselb: can't what be done?
[18:34:20] <ceselb>	I have [[Category:something|{{{blah}}}]] the category sorts like 1..0  Thing is I want to sort numerically, as 10, 20...100, 200
[18:34:41] <ceselb>	Ideally.. Not just one letter headlines that is..
[18:35:27] <brion>	currently, to sort them numerically you'd need to zero-pad the numbers
[18:35:40] <brion>	you can do this manually, or you could use a parser function
[18:36:03] <ceselb>	zero pad would just give 1 and 0, no gain at all..
[18:36:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bad query when viewing difference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12779 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (cbandy)
[18:36:38] <ceselb>	ok, how to do it manually? Can you point me to some help pages?
[18:37:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad query when viewing difference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12779  (10cbandy)
[18:39:38] <botkiller>	hello all 
[18:43:14] <Hball>	I read now 3 hours through the manuals but I don't find the spot where to place css for my own infobox. Can you help me?
[18:44:44] <ialex>	MediaWiki:Common.css
[18:45:21] <richytard>	hola a todos
[18:45:36] <richytard>	hay alguuen aki?
[18:46:05] <Hball>	i tried that alex but i don't have this file
[18:47:11] <OsiasJ>	hi
[18:47:12] <OsiasJ>	Do you know about some tool to find pages in en wp that link to hi wp?
[18:50:09] <ialex>	Hball: this is not a file but a page inside the wiki
[18:50:22] <botkiller>	I am wondering, how do I make a user a sysop in mediawiki?
[18:50:32] <ialex>	like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[18:50:57] <ialex>	botkiller: if you are a bureaucrat, go to Special:Userrights
[18:52:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't undelete images, w/PostgreSQL. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12522  (10cbandy)
[18:52:55] <CardFire_>	how do you identify your installed version of MediaWiki?
[18:53:17] <ialex>	it is in Special:Version
[18:53:23] <botkiller>	ialex: ok, thnx - do i need to create a user page for that user then? 
[18:53:43] <ialex>	botkiller: just the user, the page isn't needed
[18:54:01] <CardFire_>	ty
[18:55:25] <botkiller>	ialex:  hmm... Ok, so if I'm logged into my wiki installation as a sysop, in this case the sysop account that I created when i installed the wiki
[18:55:44] <botkiller>	I go to the user whom I want to make a sysop, and go to special? 
[18:58:10] <ialex>	botkiller: not really, go to the page "Special:Userrights" and there enter the user name, confirm and then edit the groups
[19:02:16] <botkiller>	ialex: AH!  got it. thank you! 
[19:02:32] <ialex>	botkiller: no problem
[19:18:29] <ceselb>	Can you make a padding function without being sysop? I'm just a normal user. Get everything to 3 chars, so 20 would become 020..?
[19:19:02] <Hball>	ialex?
[19:19:27] <ceselb>	and no, the sort key is used to display the number first, so I rather not pad it.. lol besides it's about 100 pages.
[19:19:30] <Hball>	Where do I have to put the content I found on mediawiki:common.css
[19:20:25] <Skizzerz>	ceselb: use {{padright:20|3}}
[19:20:38] <ialex>	Hball: you need only some parts of MediaWiki:Common.css
[19:21:01] <ceselb>	I hope that's included, trying.
[19:21:05] <Hball>	ok i found the wikitable
[19:21:10] <Hball>	part
[19:21:17] <Hball>	lets say i want to have this
[19:21:28] <Hball>	line 344 to 385
[19:21:58] <Hball>	it is the table.wikitable
[19:22:14] <ialex>	i think you also need .infobox
[19:23:09] <Hball>	I only find .ext-infobox
[19:23:46] <Hball>	i assume you mean this
[19:24:11] <Hball>	line 215 to 275
[19:24:43] <ceselb>	Hmm, maybe it can't be nested? <includeonly>[[Category:something|{{{{{padright:{{{blah}}}|3}}}}}]]</includeonly>
[19:24:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add SkinTemplateTabs hook for comments tab on en.wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11586  +comment (10paul)
[19:24:52] <ceselb>	Doesn't seem to work.
[19:25:18] <ialex>	Hball: for infobox, i think this version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css is better :)
[19:26:19] <Hball>	thx
[19:26:23] <botkiller>	do i need to install imagemagick on my server in order to use conversion tools? 
[19:26:28] <Hball>	but where do i have to put the code in?
[19:26:48] <Hball>	I only run monobook as default
[19:26:58] <Hball>	is it then the main.css?
[19:27:13] <Hball>	skins/monobook/main.css
[19:28:13] <Skizzerz>	ceselb: hmm, lemme check SVN to see what version it was added in
[19:28:54] <ceselb>	oh, wanted padleft. it seems to be doing something atleast.
[19:29:11] <ceselb>	Maybe it takes a little while to propagate?
[19:29:14] <ialex>	Hball: in your version of MediaWiki:Common.css
[19:31:11] <Hball>	but in my whole folder is no common.css. Do I have to create it first? When yes where?
[19:31:35] <ceselb>	lol, it's propagated and something isn't right, 0 articles in that category now.
[19:31:46] <Skizzerz>	Hball: no, create a WIKI page named MediaWiki:Common.css
[19:31:47] <ialex>	this is not a file but a page inside the wiki
[19:32:16] <Hball>	ahhhh i think now i got it
[19:33:36] <Skizzerz>	ceselb: try adding &action=purge to the URL to see if that helps (or ?action=purge if you have short URLs)
[19:34:05] <botkiller>	ialex: can you tell me what I need to do to get imagemagick working for creating thumbnails and the like?
[19:35:02] <ceselb>	eek, that removed the content.. That's no good.
[19:35:11] <ialex>	botkiller: sorry, this is not my domain :)
[19:35:25] <Hball>	i cAN't find the page mediawiki:common.css
[19:35:33] <Hball>	it is not my day ;-)
[19:35:40] <Skizzerz>	hmm, then something may be wrong with the function
[19:35:51] <Skizzerz>	ceselb: what mediawiki version are you using?
[19:36:23] <Skizzerz>	Hball: it more than likely doesn't exist yet, so create it
[19:36:41] <botkiller>	ok.  So - yeah, that confuses me then.  localsettings.php has a string to control imagemagick, but I see no explaination anywhere of how exactly imagemagick is installed/etc 
[19:36:44] <Skizzerz>	put "MediaWiki:Common.css" in the search bar and hit "go"
[19:36:48] <ceselb>	1.6.7
[19:37:13] <Skizzerz>	ceselb: that'd be why... the padding functions had problems with 0-padding until 1.11
[19:37:26] <ialex>	Hball: doesn't exist but it is marked something like "/* CSS placed here will be applied to all skins */"
[19:37:37] <ialex>	when you edit the page
[19:38:19] <ceselb>	alright, time to upgrade then, huh?
[19:39:46] <Hball>	So i have to create it
[19:40:17] <ialex>	yes
[19:40:32] <Hball>	in the MediWiki namespace or in myWiki <-- thats my namespace
[19:40:47] <ialex>	MediaWiki
[19:41:08] <Hball>	ha i got it I found the place you meant
[19:42:24] <Hball>	Ok I placed the stuff in there
[19:42:41] <Hball>	i clear my cache
[19:43:06] <Hball>	and nothing happened
[19:43:24] <XDuxaX>	Hey guys, qyick question... what is the best way to backup my wiki?
[19:43:47] <Hball>	I would say backup the database
[19:44:38] <ialex>	Hball: wich version do you use ?
[19:44:50] <XDuxaX>	latest i think
[19:44:54] <XDuxaX>	i got it about 2 months ago
[19:45:38] <Hball>	1.11.0
[19:45:55] <Hball>	downloaded it a week or so ago
[19:46:03] <XDuxaX>	ive been just copying the whole "xampplite" folder onto another storae device.. 
[19:46:13] <XDuxaX>	is that good enough?
[19:46:30] <XDuxaX>	its easy to back up that way.. but, i dunno how easy it would be to restore the database etc
[19:46:45] <Hball>	all your data are stored in a mysql database normally
[19:46:48] <Skizzerz>	that wouldn't be backing up the database at all...
[19:47:07] <XDuxaX>	well mysql folder is inside of that oflder
[19:47:14] <XDuxaX>	so are all the pics/zips that were uploaded
[19:47:20] <XDuxaX>	so wouldnt that be backing up everything?
[19:47:29] <botkiller>	alright then, i guess thumbnails are out then 
[19:47:39] <Hball>	nope
[19:48:05] <Skizzerz>	botkiller: imagemagick is not part of mediawiki, so you should try googling it to get info of how to install it, etc.
[19:48:31] <Hball>	cause there is data stored in database application like mysql.
[19:48:53] <Hball>	try http://yourhost/phpmyadmin
[19:49:07] <Hball>	maybe you see then the databses
[19:49:14] <Skizzerz>	XDuxaX: you need to backup the database, merely copying folders will not work
[19:49:19] <Hball>	ialex?
[19:49:26] <ialex>	Hball: yes
[19:49:42] <Hball>	my version should be almost up to date
[19:49:46] <XDuxaX>	so, how do I go about backing up the database?
[19:49:47] <Hball>	1.11.0
[19:49:52] <ialex>	yes
[19:50:10] <ialex>	1.11 released today :D
[19:50:22] <ialex>	(but only one change)
[19:50:26] <ialex>	*1.11.1
[19:51:05] <ialex>	is you wiki public ?
[19:51:38] <Hball>	No
[19:51:46] <XDuxaX>	no mine isnt
[19:51:52] <Hball>	you have email or skype or somthing?
[19:53:20] <ialex>	Hball: you purged the cache of your web browser ?
[19:53:55] <Hball>	i did
[19:54:49] <Hball>	ialex you have skype?
[19:54:54] <ialex>	nope
[19:55:02] <Hball>	email?
[19:55:15] <Hball>	then I can provide you with access
[19:55:18] <ialex>	Hball: why ?
[19:55:37] <Hball>	I can provide access to my wiki
[19:56:19] <Hball>	i don't want to spoil the data around in the irc
[19:56:26] <Hball>	i could send you by mail
[19:56:51] <ialex>	if you have a registred nick on freenode you can use private messages
[19:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:LonelyPages shows transcluded pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12764  (10alternative_to_what)
[19:57:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) create namespace alias on nds Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12780 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (wiki)
[19:59:15] <Hball>	ok i will register it
[19:59:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:59:46] <XDuxaX>	so im in the http://<ip>/phpmyadmin  what do I do from here in order to backup my wiki?
[19:59:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) create namespace alias on nds Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12780   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[20:00:08] <ialex>	Hball is already registred, last use 3 years
[20:01:23] <Hball>	brb
[20:06:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad query when viewing difference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12779  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:06:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bad query when viewing difference - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12779  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:07:48] <Hball76>	priv msg should work now
[20:07:55] <Poundo>	 I am attempting to deny read to the NS_MAIN to all users  (its an experiment)  I put this "require_once( "$IP/extensions/Lockdown/Lockdown.php" ); and $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_MAIN]['read'] = array('*')" in my LocalSettings file. No luck?
[20:08:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family should have more options etc.
[20:08:39] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: You need array()
[20:08:50] <RoanKattouw>	Although you probably want array('sysop');
[20:08:59] <RoanKattouw>	array('*') means allow for everyone
[20:09:00] *Jack_Phoenix 	needs a way to have a shared codebase between many wikis
[20:09:10] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: There is one
[20:09:47] <Poundo>	RoanKattouw: If I follow you I want everyone blocked from read on NS_MAIN
[20:10:05] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: Everyone? As in, absolutely *everyone*?
[20:10:06] <Poundo>	so it should be array(*) 
[20:10:15] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: No, that means *allow* everyone
[20:10:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:RecentChanges won't show edits by only bots - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (adam.brookes)
[20:10:23] <Poundo>	yea everone for now it's just a test
[20:10:32] <RoanKattouw>	Inside the array are the required permissions to read NS_MAIN
[20:10:43] <RoanKattouw>	Try array(); or array('sysop');
[20:10:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: hum, on that page? I have the wikis on separate DBs, I want to have /one/ codebase for them all, but different localsettings...I think the examples etc. on manual:wiki family weren't suitable for my purposes...
[20:11:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  +comment (10cbm)
[20:11:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[20:11:30] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: Have separate LocalSettings.php's, then in your main LocalSettings.php decide which one to include() based on $_SERVER data
[20:12:10] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: array(); means no one, array('sysop'); means only sysops, etc.
[20:12:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	ya, but I'm not much of a php guru...not that much, anyway. do you have some examples or such? I tried the first example from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_2:_Quick_set-up and that gave an error on one wiki that "setup.php must be included after the file scope" or something like that
[20:13:08] <Poundo>	sorry RoanKattouw: I must  have mis read the docs. I thoght this extension explicitly denied what ever group was refed in the array()
[20:13:24] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: Can you give examples of what URLs for different wikis look like?
[20:14:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://wiki.jackphoenix.com, http://story.jackphoenix.com, http://phile.jackphoenix.com ...all of those (and other wikis) have separate folders on the servers, which is space-consuming and annoying :/
[20:14:25] <RoanKattouw>	Right, so it's subdomains
[20:14:34] <RoanKattouw>	I'll put some stuff in the pastebin for you
[20:15:43] <Poundo>	RoanKattouw: i re-read it and I think i got it just backwards, thinks for the clarification I'll try again
[20:16:52] <ceselb>	Thanks for the help everyone. Bye.
[20:18:22] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: http://rafb.net/p/cb8XlF90.html
[20:18:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: thanks :-)
[20:20:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Certain special characters are converted to html in the CU log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12782 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (mike.lifeguard)
[20:20:21] <gangleri>	Hi Is any template specialist here ?
[20:20:30] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30129 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php: Avoid relying on isset(). This can cause problems with PHP's (thankfully now uncommon) register_globals setting. Instead, just give the variable a default value in the code.
[20:20:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges won't show edits by only bots - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:24:21] <Poundo>	RoanKattouw: if I create a custom namespace like so "$wgExtraNamespaces = array(100 => "Custom", 101 => "Custom_Talk");" and then need to refer to it by number rather than a define name
[20:24:33] <RoanKattouw>	Poundo: Yes
[20:24:35] <Poundo>	is $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[100]['*'] =.... correct?
[20:24:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[20:24:50] <RoanKattouw>	NS_USER is really just another name for 2
[20:25:04] <RoanKattouw>	There is a define('NS_USER', 2); somewhere
[20:25:24] <Poundo>	great I wasnt sure about the syntax, yea it's in Define.php
[20:25:55] <Poundo>	RoanKattouw: thanks again
[20:25:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges won't show edits by only bots - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[20:27:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: if you don't mind, may I ask another question? In a default localsettings.php, it has a line like this in there: 	$IP = dirname( __FILE__ ); when attempting to create a shared codebase, should that be changed to $IP = "/www/path/to/shared/codebase/"; in every localsettings.php?
[20:27:39] <Nikerabbit>	hähä Jack_Phoenix
[20:27:45] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: Yes. You can also move the $IP = dirname(__FILE__); to the general LocalSettings.php and be done with it
[20:27:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	hoi Nikerabbit :)
[20:27:55] <RoanKattouw>	i.e. the 'master' LocalSettings
[20:28:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: thanks a lot, you've been very helpful :-)
[20:30:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges won't show edits by only bots - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:32:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:RecentChanges won't show edits by only bots - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[20:33:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  summary (10adam.brookes)
[20:38:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:42:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[20:45:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: damnit, this is telling me that "No config defined for subdomain ." despite that I think I've done it properly...the setting files are in www/settings/ and the localsettings you gave to me (with modifications) is under www/wiki/ and the file WikiLocalSettings.php exists in www/settings/ and I've defined $IP there as /home/www/wiki...
[20:45:43] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm that's a problem with my script, lemme check
[20:46:06] <Jack_Phoenix>	ok, thanks once again for helping...cross-wiki stuff is nice, but a pain in the ass to code ;)
[20:49:19] <RoanKattouw>	http://rafb.net/p/e4Fbuq66.html
[20:51:42] <Ashfire908>	is there a page describing how to customize the toolbar at the top right side of my page
[20:51:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	okay, I probably am doing something wrong... http://wiki.jackphoenix.com/wiki/User:Jack_Phoenix still returns the "no config defined" thing :/
[20:53:11] <RoanKattouw>	Ashfire908: You can't
[20:53:33] <Ashfire908>	you can't?
[20:54:45] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30130 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Removing some unused global $wgTitle; statements and changing $wgTitle to $this->mTitle in non-UI code. Also fixing indentation of AS_* constants.
[20:55:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[20:56:50] <ialex>	Jack_Phoenix: invert '.' and strtolower( ... )
[20:57:00] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[20:57:13] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: You obviously don't have error_reporting(E_ALL);
[20:57:18] <RoanKattouw>	ialex is right
[20:57:29] <RoanKattouw>	I got explode()'s prototype mixed up
[20:59:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	ah
[20:59:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[20:59:31] <Ashfire908>	...then how do things like WikiEd and scripts put stuff there?
[20:59:48] <RoanKattouw>	Ashfire908: They use PHP and/or JavaScript hackery
[21:00:00] <RoanKattouw>	It's not just simply editing a page like you do with MediaWiki:Sidebar
[21:00:22] <Ashfire908>	i wasn't expecting a nice page to edit
[21:02:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:04:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: I've messed around with this LocalSettings file of yours and the most recent error(s) I get is this:
[21:04:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	Notice: Array to string conversion in /home/www/wiki/LocalSettings.php on line 10
[21:04:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	No config defined for subdomain a
[21:04:36] <RoanKattouw>	What's line 10?
[21:04:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	$arr = strtolower(explode('.', $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']));
[21:05:10] <ialex>	$arr = explode('.', strtolower($_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']));
[21:05:13] <RoanKattouw>	What he said
[21:05:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[21:06:34] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Re-uploading image is not work with MediaWiki 1.11. 0 and PostgreSQL. "metadata" type of table "image" and "oldimage" are different. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12365  +comment (10cbandy)
[21:06:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload a new version of this file, postgres database error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11363  +comment (10cbandy)
[21:06:52] <ialex>	now you have to point to the good file
[21:07:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	yay, it's working - thanks a lot RoanKattouw and ialex :D
[21:07:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:12:06] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30131 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (127 files in 15 dirs): 
[21:12:06] <CIA-41>	WARNING! LARGE COMMIT
[21:12:06] <CIA-41>	ApiEdit_Vodafone: Merging latest revisions from trunk.
[21:13:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[21:15:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:17:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10adam.brookes)
[21:20:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API most time doesn' t return results when using query that contains spaces in title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12783 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (mario.biron)
[21:21:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API most time doesn' t return results when using query that contains spaces in title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12783  +comment (10mario.biron)
[21:22:48] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) API most time doesn' t return results when using query that contains spaces in title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12783  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:24:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: RecentChanges with only show edits by bots selected does not work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12781  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:25:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  +comment (10Platonides)
[21:30:16] <XDuxaX>	so if i do "export" via phpMyAdmin that would backup my wiki?
[21:33:03] <franhp>	hi1
[21:33:41] <franhp>	is there any way to compress the database and still be usable?
[21:38:57] <XDuxaX>	how do I backup via phpMyAdmin
[21:42:05] <will_hough>	XDuxaX: 1) do you know how to access phpmyadmin?
[21:42:36] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30132 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ (3 files): ConfirmEdit: Cleaning up brain-damaged implementation of keyMatch() which expected $wgRequest as an argument only to call $wgRequest->getVal('wpCaptchaWord') and do nothing else with it
[21:50:37] <brion>	franhp: you can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCompressRevisions
[21:50:55] <franhp>	thanks
[21:51:25] <will_hough>	XDuxaX: are you familiar at all with how phpmyadmin operates?
[21:54:05] <XDuxaX>	i can access it yes
[21:54:08] <XDuxaX>	im in it right now
[21:54:27] <XDuxaX>	on the left thre is a dropdown with a bunch of databases
[21:54:31] <XDuxaX>	do I need to backup all of them?
[21:54:33] <XDuxaX>	or just 1?
[21:54:57] <OverlordQ>	Wish i knew more php, the search code scares me lol, but wanna fix it :-/
[21:55:41] <will_hough>	the database name of your wiki install, there should be 33 tables in the database
[21:56:18] <will_hough>	starting with _acchive and ending with _watchlist XDuxaX 
[21:56:27] <XDuxaX>	there is 34
[21:56:27] <will_hough>	follow me so far?
[21:56:32] <XDuxaX>	yeah but htere are 34
[21:56:48] <XDuxaX>	starts with archive and ends with watchlist
[21:58:02] <will_hough>	no matter, click the Export tab at the top
[21:58:10] <XDuxaX>	im uploading a pic right now.. give me 1 sec
[21:58:31] <Wyksztalcioch_>	Why on pl.wikinews.org parameter 'userdateformat' in <DynamicPageList> doesn't work?
[21:59:13] <XDuxaX>	ok here is a picture http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/Duxa/mysql1.jpg
[22:00:25] <XDuxaX>	im more curious if I need to backup the other databases.. like look at this picture here ... there are a ton of them.. and im not sure what all of them are http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/Duxa/mysql2.jpg
[22:00:45] <Wyksztalcioch_>	hello...
[22:01:08] <will_hough>	just the one XDuxaX the rest are for the operation of phpmyadmin
[22:01:25] <will_hough>	and one is a bacup for wikidatabase
[22:01:31] <will_hough>	did you create that ?
[22:02:09] <will_hough>	you have one more table than I becaue our settings are different, dosen't matter.
[22:02:44] <MrZ-man>	yeah, some extensions add tables
[22:03:23] <will_hough>	click your export tab from the wikidatabase list
[22:04:38] <will_hough>	XDuxaX: are you going to follow me?
[22:05:17] <XDuxaX>	sry had to use bathroom
[22:05:18] <XDuxaX>	=P
[22:05:22] <XDuxaX>	im back now
[22:05:41] <will_hough>	<will_hough> click your export tab from the wikidatabase list
[22:05:55] <XDuxaX>	ok
[22:06:06] <will_hough>	upper left, select all
[22:06:15] <XDuxaX>	done
[22:06:23] <will_hough>	SQL 
[22:06:42] <XDuxaX>	k
[22:06:42] <will_hough>	selected from the list below
[22:07:03] <XDuxaX>	done
[22:07:04] <will_hough>	upper right
[22:07:51] <will_hough>	Structure > Add AUTO_INCREMENT value
[22:07:59] <will_hough>	Enclose table and field names with backquotes
[22:08:20] <XDuxaX>	done
[22:08:39] <will_hough>	Do you have a SQL compatibility mode option?
[22:08:51] <XDuxaX>	nope
[22:08:57] <XDuxaX>	actually
[22:08:57] <XDuxaX>	yes
[22:09:01] <XDuxaX>	above "structure"
[22:09:03] <XDuxaX>	its a dropdown
[22:09:08] <will_hough>	yes
[22:09:12] <XDuxaX>	has like Oracle etc in it
[22:09:20] <XDuxaX>	its set to NONE right now
[22:09:26] <will_hough>	I'm guessing you are using MYSQL, correct?
[22:09:31] <XDuxaX>	yeah
[22:09:40] <XDuxaX>	im using xampplite
[22:09:40] <will_hough>	4.0 or above?
[22:09:45] <XDuxaX>	so w/e that has
[22:09:56] <will_hough>	selext mysql40
[22:10:08] <XDuxaX>	k done
[22:10:12] <will_hough>	Check Data
[22:10:20] <will_hough>	Complete inserts
[22:10:25] <will_hough>	Extended inserts
[22:10:39] <XDuxaX>	done
[22:10:43] <will_hough>	at the bottom select Save as file
[22:10:58] <will_hough>	choose your compression
[22:11:03] <will_hough>	click go
[22:11:10] <XDuxaX>	"use exadecimall for BLOB" is selected.. should I uncheck that?
[22:11:17] <will_hough>	no
[22:11:29] <XDuxaX>	k
[22:11:31] <will_hough>	everything else should be fine by default
[22:11:34] <XDuxaX>	thats all I have to do?
[22:11:37] <will_hough>	yes
[22:11:43] <XDuxaX>	cool, thanks a ton :)
[22:11:48] <XDuxaX>	quick question about those other databases
[22:12:07] <will_hough>	after you do this, test it
[22:12:17] <will_hough>	if you have a WAMP
[22:12:20] <XDuxaX>	you said they are for general operation... so from my understanding i dont need to back those up and they will be recreated automatically if I reinstall xampplite
[22:12:36] <Poundo>	does anyone know if the Lockdown extension will allow me to use a group I created like so  .. $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown['NS_ECOLOGY']['edit'] = array('EcoGRP'); 
[22:12:48] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: yes.
[22:12:59] <Poundo>	I know I can use array('sysop')
[22:13:08] <will_hough>	XDuxaX: the table will be recreated once you install mediawiki
[22:13:13] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: groups have no substance. they are just ids that glue users, groups, permissions, etc
[22:13:15] <will_hough>	table/s
[22:13:31] <XDuxaX>	ok cool :)... now.. what is WAMP?
[22:13:34] <will_hough>	if you have no data there, it is useless to back them up
[22:13:48] <will_hough>	Windows Apache MYSQL PHP
[22:14:01] <XDuxaX>	what kind of data is storred in them? and how do I check if there is data in them?
[22:14:05] <will_hough>	to run on a windows machine
[22:14:16] <will_hough>	Did you edit your wiki after installing it?
[22:14:28] <will_hough>	add pages etc
[22:14:29] <XDuxaX>	like put pages etc on it? yes
[22:14:32] <XDuxaX>	yeah
[22:14:35] <will_hough>	then there is data
[22:14:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Implicit Casts Removed in Postgresql 8.3 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12784 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (overlordq)
[22:14:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10overlordq)
[22:14:44] <will_hough>	save them all
[22:15:06] <will_hough>	I gotta go
[22:15:07] <XDuxaX>	i thought it was all stored in the database we just backed up "wikidatabase" one with 34 tables? if its not stored there. then what is?
[22:15:18] <will_hough>	it is stored there
[22:15:25] <will_hough>	thats what you backed up
[22:15:39] <XDuxaX>	so then what would be stored in those other databases?
[22:15:58] <will_hough>	that is data for phpmyadmin
[22:16:04] <XDuxaX>	ah ok
[22:16:09] <XDuxaX>	one last question before you go
[22:16:10] <will_hough>	users permissions etc.
[22:16:14] <will_hough>	ok
[22:16:16] <XDuxaX>	is there a way to backup all of the databases into one file?
[22:16:26] <XDuxaX>	so that i dont have ot back them up individually
[22:16:29] <will_hough>	thats what I waled you through
[22:16:35] <will_hough>	walked
[22:16:48] <XDuxaX>	that was for 1 database though not for all of them
[22:16:52] <will_hough>	it created a database.sql file
[22:16:54] <Duesentrieb>	information_schema and mysql are mysql internal. you don't want a backup of those. i'm not sure it's even possible to make one
[22:17:17] <Duesentrieb>	anyway... beware of charset issues when creating mysql dumps for mediawiki
[22:17:27] <will_hough>	I'm sure those will be there once you reinstall your amp
[22:17:34] <XDuxaX>	if a database has 0 tables in it. is it safe to delete it?
[22:17:36] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: I am doing this $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown['NS_ECOLOGY']['edit'] = array('EcoGRP')  followed by  $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown['*']['read'] = array('*');
[22:17:46] <Duesentrieb>	mysql is... strange and wonderful about that. and known to screw up in some situations.
[22:17:48] <will_hough>	Thanks Duesentrieb 
[22:18:01] <will_hough>	I gotta go XDuxaX 
[22:18:09] <XDuxaX>	Thanks again :)
[22:18:12] <XDuxaX>	you were very helpful
[22:18:35] <XDuxaX>	Duesentrieb: Do you know if its safe to delete a database if it has 0 tables in it?
[22:18:40] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: I assumed this would allow EcoGRP to edit NS_ECOLOGY  but not anonymous correct
[22:18:41] *OverlordQ 	pounds face into keyboard.
[22:18:45] <OverlordQ>	Postgres 8.3 really gave mediawiki the shaft :-/
[22:18:54] <Wyksztalcioch_>	please...help me...
[22:19:42] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: yes, the first staement does that. the second line doesn't do anything. $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown *restricts* access, based on what you defined in $wgGroupPermissions (which *allowes* things).
[22:20:22] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: well, you do not lose any data - but maybe some program expects it to be there...
[22:20:30] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: unlikely, but passible.
[22:20:58] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: also... it might be that there are tables, but you do not have permission to see them. but then, you wouldn't have permission to delete them either, so that's safe :)
[22:21:09] <XDuxaX>	k :) thanks
[22:30:09] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: I was cribbing from this example in the docs $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_PROJECT]['*'] = array('sysop');  $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_PROJECT]['read'] = array('*');
[22:30:52] <Poundo>	but in my case i don't want anonymous to edit NS_ECOLOGY
[22:31:31] <Simetrical>	You don't need an extension for that, you can use a default config option.
[22:31:47] <Duesentrieb>	well, in the example from the docs, the second line is needed, because the first line restricts *all* rights on NS_PROJECT.
[22:31:56] <Duesentrieb>	but it doesn't hurt in your case either, it's just redundant.
[22:32:15] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: hm?
[22:32:32] <Simetrical>	If you just want to prevent editing.  But maybe I'm misreading that snippet?
[22:32:40] <Simetrical>	It looks like it allows read access.
[22:32:55] <Duesentrieb>	Simetrical: prevent editing on a specific namespace
[22:33:02] <Duesentrieb>	(while allowing reading)
[22:33:18] <Simetrical>	Yes, you can do that in core.
[22:33:18] <Duesentrieb>	that'S what Lockdown is for: per-namespace restrictions
[22:33:26] <Duesentrieb>	oh yes, true
[22:33:27] <Duesentrieb>	for edit
[22:33:45] <Duesentrieb>	wgNamespaceRestrictions
[22:34:05] <Duesentrieb>	would have been nice if that was designed to take arbitrary rights in the first place. Lockdown wouldn't be needed then
[22:35:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Wanted pages to be removed from Wikipedias. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12785 normal; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[22:38:04] <Simetrical>	Duesentrieb, well, you know how Brion feels about granular read restrictions.
[22:38:28] <Duesentrieb>	!secrets
[22:38:28] --mwbot--	MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job.
[22:38:31] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[22:39:25] <CardFire>	super frustrated.  I don't see how to get at the formatting in infobox templates 
[22:39:33] <Simetrical>	Well, we will not be held responsible for . . . anything, will we?  We're not selling this.
[22:39:38] <CardFire>	i want to copy the one listed for Software in wikipedia
[22:39:50] <CardFire>	and it ... well, i only find what you list for the "answers" so to speak
[22:39:59] <CardFire>	the templates all lack definitive table properties
[22:40:04] <CardFire>	I found one that is suitable
[22:40:08] <CardFire>	in germen
[22:40:14] <CardFire>	which is less helpful for tearing apart
[22:44:01] <Duesentrieb>	CardFire: write your own. infoboxes from wikipedia are usually overly complex. 
[22:44:18] <CardFire>	:-/
[22:44:23] <CardFire>	alright, thank you for the feedback
[22:44:47] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: I have stripped down to this "$wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[100]['*'] = array('sysop');" got rid of the define, the group I created and the second line and when I launch as anonymous and .....
[22:45:14] <CardFire>	this channel has already helped me through two major hurdles in this.  I didn't realize that the out-of-box CSS was inadequate, nor that I was required to install additional extensions, just to make use of it all
[22:45:31] <Poundo>	enter title=Ecolody:newpage I am able to create and edit it as anonymous and sugges
[22:45:39] <MrZ-man>	Some Wikipedia infoboxes are bigger than most articles
[22:45:54] <Poundo>	title=Ecology:newpage
[22:46:39] <CardFire>	that's ... discouraging
[22:47:32] <Poundo>	Cardfire: the absense of a box should have been a clue
[22:47:47] <Poundo>	:-D
[22:48:40] <MrZ-man>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Settlement&action=edit
[22:48:47] <MrZ-man>	"This page is 30 kilobytes long."
[22:50:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) list items counter does not icrease - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12786 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (gangleri)
[22:54:16] <CIA-41>	03aaron * r30133 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ (ConfirmAccount.i18n.php ConfirmAccount_body.php): Add footer
[22:54:22] <Poundo>	Ok I think I found the problem. I am not refering to the namespace I created. If the name is Ecology shouldn't i be able to create a link in the Sidebar like so ** Ecology:main_page|Ecology Action and reach the Ecology namespace
[23:01:54] <CIA-41>	03aaron * r30134 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevsPage.php Language/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.en.php): Title tweak
[23:01:55] <Wiredtape>	Is anyone here familiar with semantic mediawiki... ? does it take over mediawiki? is it an extension like any other?
[23:02:48] <AaronSchulz>	is is a giant extension
[23:03:25] <Wiredtape>	AaronSchulz, does it still rely though on the mw revisions? or does it package itself with mw?
[23:03:43] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, it's an extension . . . you have to download MW first.
[23:03:46] <Simetrical>	I think there's a channel.
[23:04:11] <Reedy_Boy>	Can you protect a page using the API? I cant seem to see an option to
[23:04:23] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, me and another guy are on it :) and chanserv, though he doesn't know shit :P
[23:04:55] <Duesentrieb>	Reedy_Boy: currently, the api has only query functions (plus login).
[23:04:55] <Simetrical>	Is there some special page that gives a page's preprocessed expansion?  Like for parser preprocessor troubleshooting?
[23:05:06] <Duesentrieb>	the rest is experimental/alpha and not released
[23:05:16] <Reedy_Boy>	Fair enough, thanks :)
[23:05:47] <AaronSchulz>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ExpandTemplates
[23:06:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) list items counter does not icrease - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12786   +parser; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:13:44] <sputnick>	hi there$
[23:14:37] <sputnick>	what is the syntax to show [ [ foo ] ]   like inside <pre></pre>  ?
[23:14:57] <Duesentrieb>	<nowiki>
[23:15:01] <sputnick>	cool
[23:15:14] <sputnick>	<nowiki>foo</nowiki>       ?
[23:15:27] <Duesentrieb>	<nowiki>[[foo]]</nowiki>
[23:15:35] <sputnick>	yes, thanks
[23:15:41] <Duesentrieb>	nowiki turns off *all* processing.
[23:16:04] <sputnick>	as name should sounds
[23:26:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10xaosflux)
[23:43:23] <Peregrinus>	Hello all.
[23:43:42] <Peregrinus>	I'm having a small issue implementing Short URLs as described at [ http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL ]
[23:50:39] <Peregrinus>	It's working, and I can get to any of my pages, but the skin is not rendered at all.  In fact, the only image shown is the externally pulled in Creative Commons button.
[23:51:25] <Peregrinus>	Looking at the HTML my browsers are geting, the stylesheets are being specified and the URLs work (I can download them using wget without editing at all).
[23:51:35] <Peregrinus>	Does anyone know how to fix this?
[23:51:58] <Peregrinus>	BTW, I used the "officially supported" method. not one of the alternatives.
[23:53:25] <Simetrical>	Peregrinus, it sounds like you're rewriting to a directory that exists.
[23:53:37] <Simetrical>	Which is what the officially supported method says very clearly *not* to do.
[23:53:39] <Simetrical>	Do you have a link?
[23:57:26] <Peregrinus>	http://www.openbrainstem.net/wiki/
[23:57:51] <Peregrinus>	ls wiki
[23:57:51] <Peregrinus>	ls: wiki: No such file or directory
[23:58:06] <Peregrinus>	I was pretty careful to take their warnings seriously.
[23:58:39] <Simetrical>	It should be an error in $wgScriptPath, I think.  What's the value of that for you?
[23:58:51] <Simetrical>	(The page is taking forever to load, so I still haven't looked at the HTML.)
[23:59:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) userdateformat parametrs doesn't work - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12787 minor; highest; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (Wyksztalcioch)