[00:01:20] <Peregrinus>	It was "/wiki", I changed it to "/w" and it's now working.  Thanks! :) .
[00:01:37] *Simetrical 	double-checks the instructions in the manual page
[00:01:45] <Peregrinus>	I'm also noticing the pages come up much faster than when it was brokken.
[00:02:03] <Simetrical>	Heh, they didn't load for me at all before.
[00:02:44] <Peregrinus>	I'm also double-checking the instruction, again (which, I guess, technically means that I'm triple-checking, but, whatever).
[00:02:45] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I see.  It assumes $wgScriptPath was already set automatically in the installation.
[00:03:11] <Simetrical>	Did you explicitly change it before?  Or maybe install and then move the files?
[00:03:20] <Peregrinus>	Yup.  I only see it mention setting $wgArticlePath and $wgUsePathInfo.
[00:04:15] <Peregrinus>	I've had the wiki up for a long time.  I orginally installed it to /wiki/, so when I was shortening the URLs, I was only needing to get rid of the "index.php" part.  I moved the wiki/ dir to w/.
[00:04:33] <Simetrical>	Right.  It was still generating links for the old path.
[00:04:40] <Peregrinus>	yup.
[00:04:46] <Simetrical>	So not a typical situation.
[00:05:18] <Simetrical>	Although, maybe the default $wgScriptPath should be the directory of LocalSettings.php.  Hmm.
[00:05:24] <Peregrinus>	I think maybe a note should go in those instructions to change that if you're "converting" from your first installation.  After all, I didn't know you could make this change until after I had been using the wiki for a few months.
[00:05:35] <Simetrical>	Yes, that sounds like a good idea.
[00:05:41] *Simetrical 	adds
[00:08:15] <MZMcBride>	Simetrical: on bug 12681, you commented about absolute positioning be used to spoof the new messages header...
[00:08:27] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride, wait, don't say it.
[00:08:30] <Simetrical>	It would overtype the header.
[00:08:37] <MZMcBride>	but absolute positioning couldn't add the necessary white space, right?
[00:08:42] <MZMcBride>	yeah
[00:08:42] <Simetrical>	Well, you could mimic the header too.
[00:08:52] <Simetrical>	Just overtype it and then add a fake header.
[00:09:03] <MZMcBride>	that'd be awfully intense :)
[00:09:09] <Simetrical>	Shouldn't be hard.  Of course you're only going to fool Monobook users in any event.
[00:09:14] <Werdna>	who cares about spoofing the new messages thing, anyway?
[00:09:16] <Simetrical>	Well, the entire issue is silly.
[00:09:21] <MZMcBride>	at that point, personally, i'd block the user
[00:09:23] <Simetrical>	We don't need to modify the software to solve this kind of "abuse".
[00:09:32] <Werdna>	does it matter?
[00:09:43] <Simetrical>	It's a trivially annoying thing, and if people are bothered by it they can ban it.  Not a software issue.
[00:09:57] <Peregrinus>	Simetrical: Thanks.  I like the new note, too. :)
[00:10:05] <MZMcBride>	well, an easy software fix or two could make the debate moot
[00:10:16] <MZMcBride>	and the debate's already been had previously...
[00:10:16] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: provide a patch, we'll consider it.
[00:10:25] <Simetrical>	Werdna, there is one.
[00:10:30] <Werdna>	At the moment, my understanding is that the software fix is not particularly easy.
[00:10:30] <Simetrical>	!bug 12681
[00:10:30] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681
[00:10:34] <Werdna>	Simetrical: ah.
[00:10:41] <Simetrical>	Werdna, it just moves the usertalk thing above the header.
[00:10:59] <Werdna>	couldn't people just position their evil stuff above the header, too?
[00:11:05] <Simetrical>	Yeah, that's what I said.
[00:11:11] <MZMcBride>	i think there''s a patch for the Username option as well
[00:11:16] <Simetrical>	MZMcBride points out that would overwrite the header, so you'd have to duplicate that.
[00:11:34] *Werdna 	shrugs.
[00:11:34] <Simetrical>	Which would end up involving a lot of trickery with getting the margins right and everything.
[00:11:36] <MZMcBride>	they could do more CSS hackery, but it wouldn't be as simple as a single <div>
[00:11:55] <MZMcBride>	and, really, the new messages bar being in the content area doesn't really seem "right"
[00:12:06] <Simetrical>	That's a more plausible reason for changing it.
[00:12:15] <Simetrical>	Where do sitenotices and stuff go?
[00:12:22] <Simetrical>	That seems like it should be where other notices go.
[00:12:22] <MZMcBride>	above the page title
[00:12:30] <Werdna>	yes, that I agree with.
[00:16:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  +comment (10ultrablue)
[00:16:35] <Simetrical>	Fatal error: Undefined class constant 'AS_MAX_ARTICLE_SIZE_EXCEDED' in /var/www/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php on line 2193
[00:16:42] <Simetrical>	Hmm, I think trunk has a *slight* bug.
[00:19:05] *Werdna 	views log
[00:19:06] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30135 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Revert 30130, completely breaks editing with fatal PHP error.
[00:19:15] <Simetrical>	Well, actually the edit went through.
[00:19:19] <Simetrical>	But it's still a fatal error.
[00:19:24] <Werdna>	indeed.
[00:19:57] <Werdna>	Simetrical: I can see the problem
[00:20:05] <Werdna>	typo in the original naming of the constant
[00:20:18] <Simetrical>	Yes, I noticed.
[00:20:20] <Werdna>	-const AS_MAX_ARTICLE_SIZE_EXCEDED= 229;
[00:20:24] <Werdna>	+const AS_MAX_ARTICLE_SIZE_EXCEEDED= 229;
[00:21:36] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30136 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/MonoBook.php): (bug 12681) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes
[00:21:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:22:18] <Werdna>	fancypants
[00:22:51] <MZMcBride>	thanks Sim :)
[00:26:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Internet Explorer should be added to javascript browser detection globals - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12766  (10dan_the_man)
[00:45:35] <Morbus>	erm. can I use #4 at the beginning of a block without it turning into a OL, and without nowiki?
[00:45:53] <Morbus>	Image:All Souls Day-2005-Still-5050.jpg|#4: {{Death by|zombie (offscreen)}}.
[00:45:57] <Morbus>	makes a list :(
[00:46:23] <Simetrical>	Probably you'd have to use nowiki.
[00:46:28] <Morbus>	ugh.
[00:46:28] <Morbus>	ok.
[00:46:53] <MZMcBride>	Morbus: use the &...; thing
[00:47:03] <Morbus>	hrm. possibility.
[00:47:37] *Morbus 	frowns.
[00:47:51] <MZMcBride>	or you could use No.
[00:48:01] <Morbus>	that's wordy.
[00:49:09] <Morbus>	i could do just the number, i suppose.
[00:49:17] <Simetrical>	Oh, yes, entities.  You could use that.
[00:49:20] <Duesentrieb>	Morbus: put a blank first?
[00:49:29] *Simetrical 	always chuckles when he sees the template names and usages of Morbus' site
[00:49:29] <Morbus>	Duesentrieb: tried. turned it into a pre
[00:49:34] <Morbus>	Simetrical: :D
[00:49:36] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[00:49:48] <Duesentrieb>	well, not quite identical to <pre>, but close
[00:49:55] <Simetrical>	It is an HTML <pre>.
[00:50:09] <Duesentrieb>	yes, but <pre> in wikitext implies nowiki :)
[00:50:15] <Duesentrieb>	indenting doesn't
[00:50:35] <Morbus>	http://www.videounderbelly.com/wiki/All_Souls_Day
[00:50:37] <Morbus>	if anyone is curious ;)
[00:50:44] <Morbus>	nsfw
[00:51:07] <Morbus>	i suppose. if your work doesn't watch R rated movies.
[00:51:10] *Morbus 	scratches head.
[00:55:01] <Morbus>	yah, i guess i'll go with no # or No. or whatever.
[01:20:11] <Alp->	hey there
[01:20:13] <Alp->	again i struggle with semantic mediawiki :/
[01:20:15] <Alp->	is there any way to make more complicated queries? like using SPARQL language instead of the <ask> statement?
[01:32:28] <elliptic1>	hi! I'm getting a blank page with no php errors after I click the big "Install MediaWiki!" button at the bottom of the setup script. What's wrong?
[01:32:45] <elliptic1>	this happens for every version I've tried, 1.11 to 1.6
[01:33:31] <sputnick>	is it possible to put a html file in other syntax than :   <nowiki>[http://host/file.html my doc]</nowiki> ? my file is the document root of the wiki.
[01:33:57] <sputnick>	[http://host/file.html my doc]
[01:46:38] <elliptic1>	so nobody knows about blank pages then?
[01:50:27] <TimStarling>	blank pages are PHP's way of saying "something's not quite right"
[01:52:42] <elliptic1>	but i get no php errors
[01:52:55] <elliottcable>	Hey y'all
[01:53:02] <elliottcable>	I'm switching from an older server to a new one
[01:53:12] <elliptic1>	i changed php.ini so the errors go to a file, and i tested it by writing bad php code
[01:53:18] <elliottcable>	The older server was running mediawiki that had started at 1.5ish, and gradually been updated to, finally 1.9svn
[01:53:22] <elliottcable>	and left there
[01:53:57] <TimStarling>	elliptic1: are you getting segfaults?
[01:53:57] <elliottcable>	I also had a ton of hardcoded hacks in place to support a shared user database between a bunch of wikis that symlinked the main wiki PHP code, but now I see there's a shared DB function in 1.11
[01:54:19] <elliottcable>	I have my shared table in standard mediawiki format, how would I go about updating it to 1.11?
[01:54:19] <TimStarling>	do the blank pages have headers, or does the server just close the connection?
[01:54:45] <elliottcable>	that is, what was the standard mediawiki format for 1.9svn.
[01:56:36] <elliptic1>	it's a 500 server error in IE, blank page in FIrefox
[01:57:09] <TimStarling>	elliptic1: is it a public URL?
[01:57:17] <elliptic1>	yeah
[01:57:52] <TimStarling>	care to share?
[01:58:00] <elliptic1>	exampleproblems.com
[01:58:01] <Alp->	is there a semantic mediawiki channel?
[01:58:39] <TimStarling>	"Firefox can't find the server at exampleproblems.com."
[01:58:43] <TimStarling>	oh dear
[01:59:12] <elliptic1>	well put in a www
[01:59:34] <elliptic1>	i'm doing my own dns too- i'll fix that later
[02:02:42] <TimStarling>	neither of your DNS servers are returning a response for me
[02:02:49] <TimStarling>	68.178.250.214 and 68.178.250.215
[02:04:35] <elliptic1>	i just changed those today- maybe it hasn't propagated out to you yet
[02:05:17] <TimStarling>	I'm using dig +trace, there's no propagation involved
[02:05:32] <TimStarling>	[0201][tstarling@zwinger:~]$ dig @68.178.250.214 www.exampleproblems.com.
[02:05:37] <TimStarling>	;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[02:06:26] <elliptic1>	what if you just use the ip?
[02:07:09] <elliptic1>	http://68.178.250.214/wiki/
[02:07:35] <TimStarling>	where is this blank page?
[02:08:16] <elliptic1>	after you fill out the set-up form and click the button at the bottom
[02:09:13] <elliptic1>	haa
[02:09:25] <elliptic1>	it was just my messed up domain name causing the problem
[02:09:30] <elliptic1>	it worked with my ip
[02:09:42] <Danny_B>	looking at testwiki and got a bit confused: what's the difference between editor and reviewer? the flagging page says when granting one the other one is granted as well. same with revoking
[02:09:46] <elliptic1>	ok thanks
[02:13:52] <Simetrical>	Danny_B, maybe editors get their revisions auto-approved, and reviewers can approve others' revisions?
[02:14:35] <Danny_B>	i was wondering about that
[02:27:30] <elliottcable>	Danny_B: what test wiki?
[02:27:47] <Danny_B>	there's only test wiki ;-)
[02:27:55] <Simetrical>	Yay, no more "argument list too long" errors in 2.6.23!
[02:27:55] <elliottcable>	...?
[02:28:05] <Danny_B>	elliottcable: testwp
[02:28:29] <Simetrical>	(Well, for my uname -s you'd still be limited to 2 MB.)
[02:28:43] <Simetrical>	elliottcable, http://test.wikipedia.org/
[02:30:04] <Danny_B>	Simetrical: thx, i was answering something elsewhere
[02:31:24] <Splarka>	it might be feasable later to combine 'editor' and 'reviewer' into a single group on some projects? (assuming this ever gets finished)
[02:31:45] <Splarka>	'flagger'
[02:31:59] <elliottcable>	oh they got the version verification thing working!
[02:32:04] <elliottcable>	Cool, time to update to svn d-:
[02:32:30] <Simetrical>	Splarka, sure, why not?
[02:32:41] <Simetrical>	Version verification thing?
[02:33:05] <Danny_B>	i'm glad some germ of permision manager already exists
[02:33:21] <Splarka>	elliott: if you mean flagged revisions, that is only on test.wp and still in development
[02:33:40] <Splarka>	(but it is in the SVN as an extension)
[02:34:54] <elliottcable>	Splarka: yeah, fine by me
[02:35:11] <elliottcable>	Splarka: I've been using the 'live preview' since it was 'still in development', and it's never had a problem for any of my users. edge ftw.
[02:35:36] <elliottcable>	Splarka: Thanks for pointing this out to me, I was about to update to 1.11, when I could have tasty 1.12salad instead (*-:
[02:35:41] <Splarka>	don't let this happen to you: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772
[02:36:33] <elliottcable>	so co v30105 or 20107 or later, got it d-:
[02:36:55] <Splarka>	well, I mean, don't let the edge break your spirit
[02:37:06] <Splarka>	the edge is sharp!
[02:38:43] <elliottcable>	as always.
[02:40:06] <Simetrical>	Did anyone tell Tim about that bug?
[02:40:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to rename or protect a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772   +parser (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:40:45] <Splarka>	the submitter pinged him here
[02:40:48] *amidaniel 	thinks r30136 looks icky
[02:41:08] <Simetrical>	amidaniel, having it below the title makes no sense.
[02:41:16] <Simetrical>	And is inconsistent with every other message box in the software.
[02:41:25] <amidaniel>	What other message boxes?
[02:41:37] <Splarka>	sitenotice?
[02:41:45] <Simetrical>	Site notice, anon notice, central site notice, AJAX watch notice.
[02:41:46] <amidaniel>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Newsome&oldid=152073532 <-- there it's below the page title
[02:42:21] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[02:42:23] <amidaniel>	Hmm .. I don't really think of them being quite of the same class, but okay
[02:42:26] <MZMcBride>	perhaps that should move too
[02:42:30] *MZMcBride 	ducks
[02:42:31] <amidaniel>	NO!
[02:42:31] <Splarka>	well
[02:42:34] *amidaniel 	stabs
[02:42:44] <Splarka>	ones like oldid, unflagged rev, exessive page size, protect warnings
[02:42:45] <Simetrical>	I think of the site notice, user talk notice, and AJAX watch as all being in sort of the same category.
[02:42:49] <Splarka>	those occur in ways that can't be spoofed either
[02:43:01] <Simetrical>	I don't think of them as the same as various warnings and info messages and so on.
[02:43:02] <amidaniel>	Is "spoofing" *really* a problem?
[02:43:04] <Splarka>	what makes the new messages message unique is it can be spoofed if it is below the title
[02:43:04] <Simetrical>	No.
[02:43:08] <Simetrical>	Nobody cares about the spoofing.
[02:43:11] <Splarka>	I do
[02:43:28] <Simetrical>	Well, no one with commit access does.
[02:43:35] <MZMcBride>	the spoofing has caused considerable controversy on certain wikis...
[02:43:38] *MZMcBride 	resumes ducking
[02:43:42] <amidaniel>	Hehe
[02:43:43] <Simetrical>	We don't care.
[02:43:50] <Splarka>	you don't have to
[02:43:54] <amidaniel>	Good :)
[02:44:11] <amidaniel>	I dunno, my two cents: It looks ugly. I don't know exactly why, but it just does
[02:44:31] <Simetrical>	I dunno, it looks fine to me.
[02:44:43] <Simetrical>	Could use better spacing, maybe.
[02:44:48] <amidaniel>	Alright, let me see if I get used to it there :)
[02:44:49] <Splarka>	a user pref would be nice
[02:44:54] <amidaniel>	Well, it could use a lot of things :)
[02:44:55] <Simetrical>	Smaller margin.
[02:44:56] <amidaniel>	Splarka: NO
[02:44:57] *Simetrical 	stabs Splarka 
[02:45:00] <Splarka>	no
[02:45:06] <Splarka>	not what I mean, you're assuming
[02:45:10] <Splarka>	a user pref would be nice: "[x] discrete new messages"
[02:45:27] <Splarka>	which would do something like style the 'talk' link in your personal bar
[02:45:52] <amidaniel>	Umm .. no
[02:45:53] <amidaniel>	:)
[02:45:58] *MZMcBride 	isn't sure "discrete" is a verb
[02:46:11] <Splarka>	<li id="pt-mytalk" class="newmessages">
[02:46:30] <Splarka>	ami: why not exactly? hmm? do you have a good reason? where is your statistical data?
[02:46:40] <MrZ-man>	why don't you have it flash neon colors?
[02:46:43] <Splarka>	actually, the two wouldn't have to be mutually exclusive, that class could always be added
[02:46:48] <MrZ-man>	and scroll across the screen
[02:46:51] <Simetrical>	No new preferences.  If it's a good idea, do it for everyone.
[02:47:08] <Splarka>	Simetrical: fine, just add the class to id="pt-mytalk"
[02:47:13] <Splarka>	and it can be all done in CSS ^_^
[02:47:23] <amidaniel>	Splarka: Preferences is too bloated already. It's extra and unnecessary load. It can already be customized by those who want to.
[02:47:27] <MrZ-man>	maybe it can make some noise too
[02:47:32] <MrZ-man>	really obnoxious
[02:47:33] <Splarka>	ami: see my last statement
[02:47:57] <MZMcBride>	pagination of undelete would be really nice...
[02:48:04] <amidaniel>	MZMcBride: Grrowl
[02:48:08] <Splarka>	I've done this in js, but with a simple class, it could be done in css <3
[02:48:08] <MZMcBride>	:)
[02:48:15] <MZMcBride>	just throwing it out there...
[02:48:25] <amidaniel>	Splarka: That's easily done. File a bug
[02:48:29] <Splarka>	that is, #p-personal li.newmessages would have no styles associated
[02:48:31] <Splarka>	sure, a bug...
[02:48:31] *amidaniel 	doesn't feel like looking at it right now
[02:48:46] <amidaniel>	Wait, isn't it already in a class?
[02:48:46] <Splarka>	the digital equivalent of "here is a dime, call someone who cares"
[02:48:53] <amidaniel>	Splarka: Hehe :)
[02:49:52] <Splarka>	caching in global scripts, styles and rawpages, content filenames with esacped safe extensions, onloadhooks made safe with IE and things, these are a few of my favorite things
[02:50:00] <Splarka>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12773 http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775 http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12720
[02:51:02] <amidaniel>	Splarka: It's already in the css class usermessage. What exactly are you looking to have added?
[02:51:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Impossible to rename or protect a page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12772  +comment (10tstarling)
[02:52:12] <Splarka>	if($this->data['newtalk'] ) --- would add a class to <li id="pt-mytalk"> as well
[02:52:27] <Splarka>	"why?", you might ask?
[02:52:42] <Splarka>	#bodyContent .usermessage { display:none; }
[02:52:43] <Simetrical>	Use JavaScript for crazy ideas like that.
[02:52:45] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30137 10/trunk/phase3/skins/monobook/main.css: Reduce margin for .usermessage, since it no longer needs to be set off from the article content.
[02:53:16] <Splarka>	#p-personal .usermessage {color:red;font-size:110%}
[02:53:41] <Splarka>	(well, probably a different class name so as not to conflict)
[02:53:51] <Splarka>	#p-personal .newmessages {color:red;font-size:110%}
[02:54:18] <Splarka>	that would be the css equivalent of a new pref, the .newmessages would have no default stylings, sort of like .allpagesredirect
[02:56:32] <Splarka>	amidaniel: why do you hate america? ^_^
[02:56:57] <Splarka>	without customizability, the "terrerrists" have won!
[02:57:41] <Skizzerz>	america is teh nize, tey can spel and grammr good yuse, not to menshun dey r very geographimacal-litrit :P
[02:58:39] *Skizzerz 	shudders at the "sentence" he just wrote -- eww >_>
[02:59:39] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30138 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: $wgStyleVersion!
[03:28:35] <CIA-41>	03yaron * r30139 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/ (INSTALL includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.3.3
[03:48:08] <AaronSchulz>	Simetrical, TimStarling: do any of you find this photo striking ( http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~dclark/derrida_lemonde.jpg ) ?
[03:51:53] <chuck>	is there an extension that lets you make a poll with a parser hook (i think that's what it's called)
[03:52:37] <amidaniel>	Yeah, a couple, most quite incomplete
[03:52:54] <amidaniel>	Oh, wait, with a parser hook? I.e., a <poll> tag or the like?
[03:53:40] <jexmex>	anybody here good know anything about the api?
[03:53:55] <MZMcBride>	jexmex: best to just ask
[03:54:12] <jexmex>	ok
[03:54:39] <jexmex>	I was looking through the api docs for awhile today trying to figure out how to just grab a article off of the api
[03:54:48] <jexmex>	but I could not for the life of me see what the command is
[03:54:51] <chuck>	amidaniel: yeah
[03:55:02] <amidaniel>	jexmex: You're looking for list=revisions&rvprops=rvcontent or the like
[03:55:11] <chuck>	like
[03:55:13] <chuck>	<poll>
[03:55:17] <chuck>	Question blah lbha
[03:55:20] <chuck>	Choice 1
[03:55:23] <chuck>	Choice 1
[03:55:24] <chuck>	etc
[03:55:24] <jexmex>	ok, thanks
[03:55:26] <chuck>	</poll>
[03:55:34] <amidaniel>	jexmex: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=API|Main%20Page&rvprop=timestamp|user|comment|content
[03:55:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Wanted pages to be removed from Wikipedias. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12785  +comment (10danny_b)
[03:55:55] <MZMcBride>	chuck: you'd be wanting to process user input?
[03:55:56] <Skizzerz>	chuck: I think Uncyc has an extension that does that, not sure what it is called though
[03:56:03] <amidaniel>	chuck: Hmm .. none that I'm aware of. Not sure if the Quiz extension could be tweaked to do this
[03:56:14] <MZMcBride>	that's what i was thinking about
[03:56:37] <amidaniel>	Does the Quiz extension record user's results anywhere though?
[03:56:39] <chuck>	amidaniel: i'll look at that
[03:56:45] <amidaniel>	I was thinking it might just be a self-test dealio
[03:56:54] *amidaniel 	should know .. but doesn't :)
[03:57:19] <MZMcBride>	it doesn't record anything
[03:57:40] <amidaniel>	Alright
[03:57:55] <amidaniel>	Well, there are a few polling extensions, but none of them are parser hooks
[03:58:14] <CIA-41>	03aaron * r30140 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ConfirmAccount_body.php: Use null type to avoid confusion and mistakes
[03:58:15] <Skizzerz>	uncyclopedia has one, but I can't figure out where it is coming from
[03:58:24] <chuck>	i really want to get oversight and checkuser running on my wiki, but it's a bitch to import the new sql code into the existing wikis, then also add it to the "template" sql code for future wikis
[03:58:29] <amidaniel>	Skizzerz: Oh?
[03:58:31] *amidaniel 	looks
[03:58:37] <chuck>	s/wiki/wiki farm/
[03:58:42] <Splarka>	Skizzerz: that should be wikia wide
[03:58:51] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: more than likely
[03:58:52] <Splarka>	(but maybe not enabled on all of them)
[03:58:58] <Skizzerz>	but I've only seen it in use on uncyc :)
[03:59:00] <amidaniel>	chuck: Doesn't the update script handle those extensions now?
[03:59:07] *Splarka 	remembers submitting bugs about it
[03:59:08] <elliottcable>	Wiki hydroponics > Wiki farms
[03:59:11] <chuck>	amidaniel: that's another looming problem
[03:59:15] <amidaniel>	ah :)
[03:59:17] <Splarka>	like, oh, <script> injection, heh
[03:59:30] <chuck>	amidaniel: i'm trying to figure out how to get the update script to work
[03:59:42] <chuck>	should be a fairly easy rewrite to get the wiki database from my list of wikis instead of localsettings
[03:59:58] <chuck>	actually, i could just do bash scripting to do it
[04:00:03] <CIA-41>	03aaron * r30141 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php: Bump
[04:00:21] <amidaniel>	chuck: That was going to be my recommendation :)
[04:03:29] <chuck>	!$wgDBname
[04:03:29] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "$wgdbname".
[04:03:44] <chuck>	that's the setting in localsettings, right?
[04:05:31] <MZMcBride>	!wg DBname
[04:05:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBname
[04:06:56] <chuck>	ah, thx
[04:07:38] <chuck>	hmm, so it looks to me like i just have to change $wgDBname to like $argv[1] and then run a bash script or whatever to loop through the db list and run "update.php <dbname>" for each
[04:08:29] <TimStarling>	read maintenance/commandLine.inc
[04:08:45] <TimStarling>	it has two ways to set the database name already, you can add a third
[04:10:22] <Random832>	are there Manual pages on all wg variables?
[04:10:32] <amidaniel>	I doubt it
[04:10:40] <TimStarling>	I wouldn't use them, personally
[04:10:49] <TimStarling>	they're likely to be out of date
[04:12:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  (10praveen)
[04:15:18] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30142 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[04:15:18] <CIA-41>	* Fixed <!-- ~~~~ -->, added parser test
[04:15:18] <CIA-41>	* Commented out memCheck()
[04:17:22] <jexmex>	adding that shows all the text, but it has a lot of templating stuff that I do not need, is there a way to exlude that stuff?
[04:37:17] <jexmex>	so there is no way to remove all of this unneeded stuff on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Led_Zeppelin&rvprop=content&format=xmlfm&rvexpandtemplates
[04:40:10] <jexmex>	it appears to be inlined templating stuff that is the problem
[04:49:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  major->15enhancement; high->normal; +comment (10danny_b)
[04:58:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  CSS properties in wikitext can be abused to spam and make it difficult to remove them - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9526  (10danny_b)
[05:05:28] <Danny_B>	a little spam coming...
[05:05:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CSS (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny_b)
[05:05:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS tweak for Safari - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1941  (10danny_b)
[05:05:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS specification of line-height using "em" is bad ( vertical squishing for headers/large text) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2013  (10danny_b)
[05:05:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users custom CSS and JS not linked from Special:Preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2314  (10danny_b)
[05:05:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to use css counters - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2366  (10danny_b)
[05:05:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS tag misspelled in monobook/main.css: p-tb - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2796  (10danny_b)
[05:06:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Print stylesheet should be explicitly editable (e.g. MediaWiki: Print.css) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2889  (10danny_b)
[05:06:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) LivePreview breaks User CSS/JS previews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3421  (10danny_b)
[05:06:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  No CSS hook exists for distinguishing between actions for a given page title - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4438  (10danny_b)
[05:06:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Apply unstyled CSS class on inline links to redirects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4709  (10danny_b)
[05:06:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RFE: geo coordinates in page title on all (common) en: .css - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4719  (10danny_b)
[05:06:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Thumbnail styles in Main.css are too imprecise - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5061  (10danny_b)
[05:06:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Use more flexible CSS instead of bgcolor attribute for inputbox bgcolor option - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5216  (10danny_b)
[05:06:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bad CSS path in RSS feeds due to wgServer - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5262  (10danny_b)
[05:06:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give <noinclude> and <onlyinclude> sections a CSS class when viewing/editing the containing page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5722  (10danny_b)
[05:06:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS classes for subpages and virtual namespaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5874  (10danny_b)
[05:06:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give all sections an HTML DIV with CSS CLASS and perhaps ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6104  (10danny_b)
[05:06:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A way to manipulate CSS-based preferences via the GUI - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6135  (10danny_b)
[05:06:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow specifying additional CSS classes on inlined images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6233  (10danny_b)
[05:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) A CSS class for 'blue' links. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7284  (10danny_b)
[05:06:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) overly-permissive CSS restrictions allow spoofing of login link - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7303  (10danny_b)
[05:06:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disabling of user defined CSS/JS via URL command - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7365  (10danny_b)
[05:06:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Newpages lacks dedicated CSS classes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8140  (10danny_b)
[05:06:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New "magic word" to assign an arbitrary CSS class to an image from the image description page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8298  (10danny_b)
[05:06:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow skin CSS to be flushed remotely - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8433  (10danny_b)
[05:06:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Inconsistent display of CSS pages - rendering CSS source as wikitext - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8624  (10danny_b)
[05:07:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Per-page CSS classes for all pages in hierarchy - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9174  (10danny_b)
[05:07:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge rtl.css into main.css - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9868  (10danny_b)
[05:07:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add personal Common.css & Common.js - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10183  (10danny_b)
[05:07:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) TOC/ section edit display preferences should be marked as requiring CSS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10212  (10danny_b)
[05:07:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Render wikilinks in site/user CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10410  (10danny_b)
[05:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Give CSS class to empty pages in Special:Newpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11005  (10danny_b)
[05:07:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable customizing of CSS values filter - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11106  (10danny_b)
[05:07:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow CSS styling of <references /> - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11161  (10danny_b)
[05:07:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change CSS so tab spacing is 'before edit' instead of ' after talk'. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11571  (10danny_b)
[05:07:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS Print Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11626  (10danny_b)
[05:07:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enforced &#160; breaks inline CSS with !important - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11874  (10danny_b)
[05:07:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Split user right "editusercssjs" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12110  (10danny_b)
[05:07:40] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12243  (10danny_b)
[05:07:41] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12244  (10danny_b)
[05:07:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Automatically whitelist reading of Site css and js pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12247  (10danny_b)
[05:07:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add garish CSS to use mw-anon-edit-warning - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12474  (10danny_b)
[05:07:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a CSS class to target IP user pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12509  (10danny_b)
[05:07:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong CSS in Special:NoticeText/wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12559  (10danny_b)
[05:07:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10danny_b)
[05:08:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tracking bug (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007  (10danny_b)
[05:08:39] <Betacommand>	is there a cheat for linking to a given namespace with just the namespace number?
[05:09:03] <Splarka>	sure
[05:09:07] <Splarka>	{{ns:#}}
[05:09:20] <jexmex>	so there is no way to remove all of this unneeded stuff on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&titles=Led_Zeppelin&rvprop=content&format=xmlfm&rvexpandtemplates
[05:09:39] <Splarka>	jexmex: why not use action=raw  (lazy method)?
[05:09:43] <jexmex>	what I mean about unneeded stuff is all the templating tags
[05:09:48] <jexmex>	i will try that
[05:10:06] <Splarka>	well, action=raw via the index.php
[05:10:15] <PhuzXP>	is there a fix to run mediawiki with magic_quotes_runtime on?
[05:10:17] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=raw
[05:10:39] <Splarka>	Betacommand: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Namespaces_and_URLs
[05:11:17] <jexmex>	Splarka : I will have a look into it, thanks
[05:11:57] <Danny_B>	i hope there's no need to add closed bugs into tracking bugs, is it?
[05:15:11] <jexmex>	maybe I am missing something here, but when I goto: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Led_Zeppelin&action=raw it tries to get me to save the index.php file
[05:15:23] <Nikerabbit>	+               $wgOut->addWikiText( wfMsgHtml( "requestaccount-footer" ) );
[05:15:30] <Nikerabbit>	double escaping?
[05:15:52] <Splarka>	jexmex: save it as ledzeppelin.txt and open it in notepad
[05:16:00] <Splarka>	it should be the raw wikicode of that article
[05:16:23] <Splarka>	the browser asks to save it as index.php because that is what it sees as the filename in the path (there is an open bugzilla bug about this)
[05:16:42] <jexmex>	ic, still has a lot of stuff, I guess i will have to parse out with php
[05:17:09] <jexmex>	I figured there was a way to get just the text of the article without the formating/inline templates/etc
[05:18:43] <Splarka>	ahh, that is a bit harder
[05:18:52] <Splarka>	because the text is mixed in with the wikimarkup
[05:19:23] <Splarka>	what you might try is getting the rendered wikitext and removing everything that isn't in a top level <p>
[05:19:39] <Splarka>	or the raw wikicode and stripping out everything inside braces
[05:19:49] <Splarka>	\{\{[^}]*\}\}
[05:22:07] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30143 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Mark new message as optional.
[05:22:19] <Phuzion>	is there a fix to run mediawiki with magic_quotes_runtime on?
[05:23:12] <jexmex>	yeah thats what I will do, thanks for you help very much
[05:27:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[05:27:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User's Custom Javascript does not Apply to Special:Preferences, Special:Userlogin and Special:Statistics - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10005  (10innocentkiller)
[05:31:07] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) list items counter does not icrease - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12786  +comment (10danny_b)
[05:32:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10danny_b)
[05:32:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10danny_b)
[05:32:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Javascript variables for section and preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8946  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[05:33:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10danny_b)
[05:38:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Table sorting broken by colspan/rowspan - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8028  (10danny_b)
[05:38:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10danny_b)
[05:39:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sortable table date sorting - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8226  (10danny_b)
[05:39:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JavaScript (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114  (10danny_b)
[05:40:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Phase I usernames with underscores break the system. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[07:06:29] <jmlane>	Do you need to do anything after changing $wgLocalInterwiki in LocalSettings.php, in order to make the new local interwiki work?
[07:18:25] <_wooz>	lo
[07:43:38] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30144 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: 
[07:43:38] <CIA-41>	Workaround for segfault observed on parse for certain input text. Related to PHP
[07:43:38] <CIA-41>	bug 35229, but was observed in call_user_func_array() not call_user_func().
[07:43:38] <CIA-41>	Apparently autoloading is buggy especially when invoked from an unusual context.
[07:43:38] <CIA-41>	My workaround is to trigger early autoloading using is_callable(). And if we're
[07:43:39] <CIA-41>	going to call is_callable(), we may as well do something sensible if it returns
[07:43:41] <CIA-41>	false, right?
[08:21:29] <ronr>	hi, I use mediawiki 1.7 and I was wondering if there is a way to integrate API docs (generated with phpdocumentor) in the wiki
[08:22:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10huji.huji)
[08:25:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Empty captions in MediaWiki:Sidebar result in PHP errors - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12753  (10huji.huji)
[08:56:19] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30145 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German
[08:59:31] <ronr>	I got a lot of html pages I want to convert to media wiki (regularly), is there some way to do this?
[09:00:26] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=html+to+mediawiki
[09:05:02] <ronr>	Splarka: thx (googling for media wiki html pages didn;t give so good results)
[09:05:26] <Splarka>	it isn't terribly hard to write your own that does pretty good...
[09:05:46] <Splarka>	most common markup is portable, except <img> and <a>
[09:07:24] <ronr>	Splarka: ok, all I want is to put phpdocumentor output in the wiki
[09:09:45] <gcardinal>	Hi, is there a simple way to add custom interwiki icons?
[09:10:01] <gcardinal>	like on http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:dokuwiki
[09:10:24] <gcardinal>	using css. or to be exact how to add interwiki shortcut in from of <a class="...
[09:22:27] <flyingparchment>	interwiki links have class=interwiki i believe, so you can add that to MediaWiki:Common.css
[09:31:00] <gcardinal>	yes but I want different class's for different iterwiki's
[09:31:03] <gcardinal>	like on docuwiki
[09:31:34] <gcardinal>	W in front of link if its a Wikipedia interwiki link
[09:32:06] <gcardinal>	like on http://wiki.splitbrain.org/wiki:syntax#links
[09:32:18] <Splarka>	do you need it to work for all browsers, including very old ones?
[09:32:44] <Splarka>	you can do what you want in CSS3, sorta
[09:33:33] <Splarka>	#bodyContent a[href *="wikipedia.org/"] { background: url(IMAGE HERE) center right no-repeat; padding-right: 16px;}
[09:34:05] <Splarka>	see monobook/main.css for some examples of this using ^=
[09:35:20] <gcardinal>	hmmm interesting, thank you!
[09:35:31] <gcardinal>	does it work like in IE 6.0 ?
[09:36:00] <Splarka>	highly doubtful
[09:36:14] <Splarka>	http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#selectors
[09:49:45] <gcardinal>	ie 6.0 is only 12% of all users on my wiki, so I will go for CSS3
[09:49:48] <gcardinal>	thank you very much!
[09:50:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  (10tcrow777)
[09:54:25] <Splarka>	gcardinal: not even sure if it works in IE7 X_X
[09:57:46] <ronr>	is there an extension to log a IRC channel to mediawiki (both the irc server and the mediawiki run on the same server)
[10:01:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[10:03:03] <gcardinal>	Splarka - it does:) Tested
[10:03:35] <Splarka>	wow, IE sucks a little less
[10:15:59] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30146 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: Fixed broken HTML
[10:22:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[10:34:55] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30147 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Re-applying r30130, this time without the EXCEDED/EXCEEDED typo that caused a fatal error.
[10:44:18] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30148 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php: Use isHTML, noargs/noparse don't exist in the new parser. Can't reproduce the whitespace problem mentioned in the comment, and there are other ways to deal with them anyway.
[10:46:53] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30149 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatDbg.php ApiFormatTxt.php): Clarifying unorthodox MIME type
[10:57:58] <dc2447>	any body use a method of sending changes to their wikis to irc channels?  If so what do you use?
[10:58:55] <archivist>	dc2447, there is a page to help you to do that
[11:01:03] <Splarka>	dc2447: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Simple_IRC_RC_Bot
[11:02:47] <hippietrailwork>	i'm looking for the messages for the main action tab labels
[11:03:19] <OverlordQ>	that's counter-intuitive, already using POE to run the UDP server so why dont you just use it as the IRC bot too
[11:03:33] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: {{sofixit}}
[11:04:13] <OverlordQ>	I just might :)
[11:04:21] <Splarka>	hippietrailwork: like 'edit' 'watch' 'discussion' ?
[11:04:28] <Splarka>	or 'template' 'article' 'category' ?
[11:04:37] <dc2447>	Splarka: I saw that page - it doesn't seem to show how the changes actually get sent to the bot?  is adding those params like wgRC2* enough - will mediawiki know to send changes there?
[11:04:54] <hippietrailwork>	Splarka: yes. i want to add one but i want to make sure my message name matches the existing ones
[11:05:38] <Splarka>	that wasn't a yes/no hippietrailwork, it was an a/b... but see http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain  look for the ones prefixed with nstab
[11:06:14] <Splarka>	dc: sorry, I don't know anything about that, I just knew that was the only useful IRC bot page on mediawiki I'd seen lately
[11:06:23] <hippietrailwork>	Splarka: oh sorry like article talk edit history watch delete move protect
[11:06:38] <dc2447>	Sparkla: thanks anyways
[11:07:32] <Splarka>	hippie: ahh, well those are two types...
[11:07:54] <Splarka>	edit/move/watch are of a type, and all the possible iterations of the first button are another type
[11:08:09] <Splarka>	usually unique to each namespace... main, user, media, special, project, image, etc
[11:08:12] <OverlordQ>	dc2447: afaik in http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php, the getIRCline 
[11:08:40] <hippietrailwork>	mine is a citations tab for wiktionary which is a companion to each article page like talk is a companion
[11:09:21] <hippietrailwork>	only article pages have a matching citations page
[11:09:31] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Edit -> edit, MediaWiki:Move -> Move, I believe the others are as simple, being probably the first ones
[11:09:53] <Splarka>	so you probably wanna call it MediaWiki:Citations ?
[11:10:19] <hippietrailwork>	thanks its hard to be sure with the single-word ones since the same word can be used on say the edit tab and the edit section link
[11:10:44] <Splarka>	well, if yas wanna be sure
[11:10:53] <hippietrailwork>	MediaWiki:Citations does seem to be the obvious choice
[11:11:07] <dc2447>	OverlordQ; thanks sourceforge seems to be having issues right now
[11:11:46] <OverlordQ>	wait that's old url
[11:11:56] <hippietrailwork>	the string "edit" is there for MediaWiki:Edit MediaWiki:Editold and MediaWiki:Editsection for instance
[11:12:20] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:12:27] <Splarka>	looks like the edit button is Editthispage actually
[11:13:01] <OverlordQ>	dc2447: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php?view=auto
[11:13:02] <OverlordQ>	try that
[11:13:23] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain   check for wfMsg() things generating the buttons
[11:13:44] <Splarka>				return $this->makeKnownLinkObj( SpecialPage::getTitleFor( 'Movepage' ),
[11:13:44] <Splarka>				  wfMsg( 'movethispage' ), 'target=' . $wgTitle->getPrefixedURL() );
[11:13:59] <hippietrailwork>	editthispage seems to be the tooltip for the edit button rather than the label
[11:14:16] <Splarka>	bah
[11:14:21] *Splarka 	gives up ^_^
[11:14:25] <Splarka>	experiment!
[11:14:37] <hippietrailwork>	i got lost looking through skin.php and thought i'd ask the experts directly (-:
[11:17:18] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrailwork: Find a message you think is the one, and change it to YES in the MediaWiki: namespace
[11:17:27] <RoanKattouw>	(on your test wiki of course)
[11:17:36] <RoanKattouw>	Then purge the cache and see where your YES shows up
[11:17:42] <hippietrailwork>	hehe RoanKattouw i don't have a testwiki since brion moved
[11:18:02] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrailwork: I do. Got a suspicion which message it could be?
[11:18:11] *Splarka 	does that on test.wp
[11:18:20] <hippietrailwork>	i'm trying to find "discussion"
[11:18:22] <Splarka>	*ding ding ding ding* done
[11:18:36] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
[11:18:51] <hippietrailwork>	MediaWiki:Talk
[11:18:59] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrailwork: MediaWiki:Edit is the caption of the edit tab
[11:19:23] <Splarka>	'talkpagelinktext'  => 'Talk',  ?
[11:19:31] <RoanKattouw>	hippietrailwork: MediaWiki:Talk is the right one
[11:19:33] <hippietrailwork>	ok thanks for your help guys - now i have an i18n l10n question
[11:19:36] <RoanKattouw>	The "Discussion" tab right?
[11:19:57] <hippietrailwork>	yep now i know to call mine MediaWiki:Citations
[11:20:25] <Splarka>	...
[11:20:36] <Splarka>	<Splarka> so you probably wanna call it MediaWiki:Citations ?
[11:20:37] <Splarka>	<hippietrailwork> MediaWiki:Citations does seem to be the obvious choice
[11:20:40] <hippietrailwork>	i'm wondering if there is a system in place to get site-specific extra messages to the translator
[11:20:59] *Splarka 	glares
[11:22:22] <hippietrailwork>	i just wanted to be careful because sometimes obvious ain't right (-:
[11:22:31] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
[11:22:32] <Splarka>	heh
[11:22:51] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Talkpagelinktext is used next to user names for the link to their talk page, heh
[11:24:08] <hippietrailwork>	basically the english wiktionary has a few extra messages in the sidebar, and some which are currently done in javascript. but i've just made a localisation engine in javascript to register text strings to be updated via ajax with strings from the message cache
[11:24:57] <hippietrailwork>	which means all of our extra strings support translations but just don't have translations - and since they aren't in the files the translators get for standard mediawiki i didn't know the next step
[11:26:51] <hippietrailwork>	or is there another channel to ask such questions?
[11:27:35] <jelle_>	is there a tool/extension for wiki that makes it easier for users to insert a link to an uploaded file, instead of remembering the (long) name of the file and typing the [[media:somenametoremembered.pdf]] inside a page?
[11:28:26] <Splarka>	would there be a finite number of such files to link to?
[11:28:47] <Splarka>	you could add mwCustomEditButtons (core) or use the CharInsert in Edittools (extension) to make macros
[11:28:52] <Hojjat>	Simetrical: have time?
[11:28:58] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30150 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Xml.php: 
[11:28:58] <CIA-41>	Introducing Xml::reasonDropDown
[11:28:58] <CIA-41>	* Generates a drop-down box given the required information
[11:28:58] <CIA-41>	* Supports marking the approrpiate option as pre-selected
[11:28:58] <CIA-41>	* Shall be used on deletion and protection pages, where a dropdown is used to select the appropriate reason for the action
[11:35:10] <Hojjat>	hello ialex
[11:35:22] <ialex>	hi Hojjat
[11:57:05] <flyingparchment>	what's the point of Xml::reasonDropDown?  it looks the same as a normal <option>
[11:59:12] <Zenwhat>	Anybody here know how to make scripts?
[12:07:19] <hippietrailwork>	hmm api.php ought to be able to query several types of things at once
[12:07:37] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: javascript?
[12:08:29] <hippietrailwork>	i should be able to query everything i need to cusomise one page in a single ajax hit
[12:09:02] <Zenwhat>	Splarka, right now bjweeks is working on it in #wikipedia-en.
[12:09:17] <Zenwhat>	Basically, here's what I'm working on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/Greylist
[12:09:23] <hippietrailwork>	for me that would be a handful of allmessages and checking the existence of a couple of pages
[12:09:44] <Splarka>	hippietrailwork: so use action=parse and batch it in wikicode
[12:09:59] <Zenwhat>	In order to do that, I need something that can filter Special:Linksearch to hide all of the links on talkpages, user pages, etc., and just show links on articles.
[12:10:29] <hippietrailwork>	action=parse can't do allmessages
[12:10:49] <Splarka>	hippietrailwork: you can use {{int:}} maybe?
[12:11:00] <hippietrailwork>	ah maybe
[12:11:32] <hippietrailwork>	how do i use that with a language?
[12:11:32] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: I recently made a regex <li> parser for Special:Log/rights and Special:Log
[12:12:01] <Splarka>	hippietrailwork: well, then just transclude the translation... like {{MediaWiki:Edit/fr}}
[12:12:25] <Splarka>	although you'd have to check if it exists or not, so maybe transclude both,  {{MediaWiki:Edit/fr}} and  {{MediaWiki:Edit}}, or something
[12:12:31] <hippietrailwork>	hmm it doesn't have the graceful fallback that allmessages has if translations are missing
[12:12:59] <Zenwhat>	Splarka, could you send me a link to that regex parser you made?
[12:13:08] <hippietrailwork>	hmm i did something like that before and i liked the allmessages solution a lot better when it was pointed out to me
[12:13:28] *Splarka 	looks for it
[12:13:46] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/rightsfilter.js
[12:13:54] <Dewi>	I am trying to upload an OpenDocument drawing, but I get: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again."
[12:14:07] <Dewi>	I've tried adding the proper MIME to includes/mime.types and mime.info
[12:14:23] <Splarka>	it was originally made for user rights log to filter out 'rollbacker', but then extended to work on any Special:Log
[12:14:25] <Dewi>	And also changing the MIME checker to 'file -bi'
[12:14:30] <Dewi>	but it's still saying the same thing.
[12:14:33] <Splarka>	it shouldn't be hard to modify to work with *any* list of <li>
[12:15:17] <Dewi>	why would it even try to run a MIME check if it doesn't recognise the type?
[12:15:24] <hippietrailwork>	thanks for your help. time to run away...
[12:15:40] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: although it only filters what is on the page directly, doesn't use ajax to page ahead
[12:15:58] <Splarka>	so you'd go to limit=5000 or so and then filter that down
[12:16:26] <Zenwhat>	Thanks, Splarka. That's all I need anyway.
[12:16:38] <Splarka>	k
[12:16:39] <Zenwhat>	Er, actually, wait.. No. Ajax would be preferable. :P
[12:16:43] <Splarka>	well
[12:16:56] <Splarka>	would be slower too ^_^
[12:17:06] <Splarka>	and take longer to write, this is almost ready
[12:17:10] <Zenwhat>	Yes, but it would be neater.
[12:17:20] <Zenwhat>	Some stuff on Special:Linksearch can be pages and pages long.
[12:17:50] <Splarka>	anyway, I think you could try this out by modifying line 2:
[12:18:08] <Splarka>	if((wgPageName=='Special:Log') || (wgPageName=='Special:Linksearch')) addOnloadHook(filterLogsButton)
[12:19:12] <Splarka>	and then a line like:
[12:19:13] <Splarka>	<li><a href="http://google.com" class="external " title="http://google.com" rel="nofollow">http://google.com</a> linked from <a href="/wiki/User_talk:Beland" title="User talk:Beland">User talk:Beland</a></li>
[12:19:20] <Splarka>	would be seen by the filter as:
[12:19:21] <Splarka>	# http://google.com linked from User talk:Beland
[12:20:04] <Splarka>	so you'd regex out:  linked from (User talk\:|Talk\:) for example
[12:20:28] *Splarka 	should rename it to lifilter.js but is too lazy
[12:21:16] <Zenwhat>	Here's the thing, though, Splarka: It wouldn't generate a correct count of results, though. Correct?
[12:21:24] <Zenwhat>	I know it sounds like nitpicking, but I *want* that. :P
[12:21:29] <Splarka>	well
[12:21:46] <Splarka>	hmm
[12:21:47] <Zenwhat>	Splarka, nvm! I need your help!
[12:21:55] <Splarka>	it should
[12:22:08] *Splarka 	tests
[12:22:09] <Zenwhat>	The guy in #wikipedia-en doesn't know javascript, so he was going to write some kind of external plugin or something?
[12:22:24] <Zenwhat>	It'd be ideal to have something either in javascript or with ajax that people could re-use.
[12:23:12] <Splarka>	sec
[12:27:55] *Splarka 	codecodes
[12:28:59] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30151 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParamInfo.php: Change action=paraminfo's format to something that won't render invalid XML
[12:30:05] <Zenwhat>	Splarka, when you finish it, send me a message to User:Zenwhat on Wikipedia
[12:32:50] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: is done I think
[12:32:55] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/lifilter.js
[12:33:09] <Zenwhat>	OK, now how do I install that and run it? :P
[12:33:14] <Splarka>	you can try it with:
[12:33:21] <Splarka>	importScript('User:Splarka/lifilter.js');   
[12:33:31] <Splarka>	however, the JS cache might prevent it workin for about 10 more minutes
[12:33:54] <Zenwhat>	...? You mean... I include that... where? In my script thingie I-forget-what-it's called and where it is?
[12:33:57] <Zenwhat>	My monobook.css..
[12:34:00] <MONK3000>	Hi. I need to force account creation via email notification. $wgEmailAuthentication = true, but still entering an email address on the account creation is optional and so creating an account is easy for spam bots. so how do i force them to enter an e-mail address?
[12:34:06] <Splarka>	User:Zenwhat/monobook.js
[12:35:17] <Zenwhat>	Is this correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/monobook.css
[12:35:58] <Splarka>	no, .js
[12:36:08] <Splarka>	css is for styling
[12:36:27] <flyingparchment>	MONK3000: you can't force account _creation_ to require an email.  what you can do is force people to confirm their email before they edit.  i don't rememeber how though
[12:37:21] <MONK3000>	ah ok lemme search that way then
[12:37:25] <Zenwhat>	...?
[12:37:27] <Zenwhat>	Ohhh!!
[12:37:29] <Zenwhat>	Oops, lol.
[12:38:22] <Splarka>	MONK3000: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[12:38:28] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['edit']           = false;
[12:38:32] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']['edit'] = true;
[12:38:41] <MONK3000>	muchas!
[12:38:45] <Splarka>	oh, also:  
[12:38:45] <Splarka>	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit']              = false;
[12:38:49] <Splarka>	if you didn't have that already
[12:39:00] <Zenwhat>	...? Where would I add that?
[12:39:03] <Zenwhat>	Top or bottom?
[12:39:29] <Zenwhat>	Is this correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/monobook.js
[12:39:32] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: you're good to go, what browser?
[12:39:40] <Zenwhat>	Firefox.
[12:39:51] <Splarka>	hit 'reload'
[12:40:19] <Splarka>	zen: oop
[12:40:21] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zenwhat/monobook.js&diff=prev&oldid=186799220
[12:40:25] <Splarka>	undo that, that was for MONK3000
[12:40:41] <Zenwhat>	OK
[12:40:47] <MONK3000>	so $wgWhitelistEdit = true; #disallow edit for not logged in users  is pure crap right?
[12:41:11] <MONK3000>	didn't work for me though
[12:41:26] <Splarka>	what version you have?
[12:41:27] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgWhitelistEdit
[12:41:30] <Splarka>	that was removed in 1.5
[12:41:52] <Zenwhat>	OK, Splarka, so how do I use this now?
[12:41:55] <Splarka>	Zenwhat: okay, go to any wikipedia page and hit 'reload'
[12:42:02] <Splarka>	to refresh your js cache
[12:42:10] <Zenwhat>	Already did.
[12:42:19] <Splarka>	did you do it before your last edit to monobook.js ?
[12:42:23] <Splarka>	if so, you got the wrong one
[12:43:00] <Zenwhat>	What do you mean?
[12:43:06] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zenwhat/monobook.js&oldid=186799220
[12:43:14] <Splarka>	did you hit [reload] while your monobook.js had that code?
[12:43:27] <Zenwhat>	I refreshed both both and after.
[12:43:31] <Zenwhat>	I'm refreshing now, again.
[12:43:36] <Splarka>	okay
[12:43:47] <Splarka>	lets test
[12:43:48] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch
[12:44:04] <Splarka>	does that have a [filter] button? next to [special page] at the top?
[12:44:23] <Zenwhat>	No.
[12:44:36] <Splarka>	then you might have to wait 10 minutes to reload again
[12:44:44] <Splarka>	due to server cache after editing
[12:44:53] <Zenwhat>	...
[12:44:57] <Zenwhat>	Geeeeeeeez! :P
[12:45:07] <Splarka>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775
[12:45:10] <Splarka>	yes, it is domas's fault
[12:45:31] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Zenwhat/monobook.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s
[12:45:36] <Splarka>	go to that URL, what do you see?
[12:46:03] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	importScript('User:Splarka/lifilter.js');
[12:46:21] <Splarka>	not you ^_^ zen...
[12:46:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Javascript variables for section and preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8946  (10hippytrail)
[12:46:40] <Zenwhat>	Splarka
[12:46:44] <Zenwhat>	You're right. I have to wait 10 minutes.
[12:46:48] <MONK3000>	Splarka: oh, i'm on 1.8.2  ok tested the 3 $wgGroupPermissions. not logged users are asked to log in. logged in users w/o confirmed mail cannot edit, BUT it reads "This page has been locked to prevent editing." In stead of starting an email confirmation process, e.g. "Enter your email and confirm". Know what i mean? They cannot edit at all and dunno why
[12:46:52] <Zenwhat>	I see "$wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false;  importScript('User:Splarka/lifilter.js');"
[12:47:05] <Splarka>	zen: hit shift [reload] at that last URL, zen
[12:47:21] <Zenwhat>	Ah, fixed.
[12:47:23] <Zenwhat>	"importScript('User:Splarka/lifilter.js');"
[12:47:25] <Zenwhat>	Let's try now.
[12:47:31] <Splarka>	zen: go back to linksearch
[12:47:41] <Zenwhat>	Yes, the button is there.
[12:47:43] <Splarka>	Monk: yes, that is a bit annoying, fixed in 1.12 I believe, you can change the message though
[12:47:46] <Splarka>	Zen: do this
[12:47:52] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Linksearch&target=http%3A%2F%2F%2A.google.com%2F&namespace=&limit=500&offset=0
[12:48:01] <Splarka>	go there, click [filter]
[12:48:25] <Splarka>	in the box that pops up, in the text area after "Regex String:" paste this:
[12:48:26] <Splarka>	linked from (Wikipedia\:|User talk\:|User\:|Template\:|Category\:|Image\:|Talk\:|Help\:)
[12:48:27] <Zenwhat>	The filter doesn't work. :P
[12:48:37] <Splarka>	click "[x] invert" and click [filter]
[12:48:41] <Splarka>	define "doesn't work" ?
[12:48:44] <Zenwhat>	Ohhh, wait!
[12:48:51] <Zenwhat>	No, sorry, I didn't see the regex thing appear
[12:48:53] <Zenwhat>	Gimme a sec
[12:49:39] <Zenwhat>	It works, but one problem!
[12:49:48] <Splarka>	MONK3000: go to MediaWiki:protectedpagetext and change as needed
[12:49:53] <Zenwhat>	I have to filter out TWO regex strings: "Talk" and "User." How do I do that?
[12:50:08] <Splarka>	Zen, regex is regex, it can do both
[12:50:20] <Splarka>	try this regex string, without the quotes:
[12:50:21] <Splarka>	"linked from (Wikipedia\:|User talk\:|User\:|Template\:|Category\:|Image\:|Talk\:|Help\:)"
[12:50:22] <Zenwhat>	How do I do that? Using &?
[12:50:36] <Splarka>	that will filter out most of the namespaces on that page except main
[12:51:10] <Zenwhat>	Everything disappears. :P
[12:51:37] <Splarka>	did you remove the quotes and paste exactly what was between them?
[12:51:50] <Zenwhat>	No.
[12:52:17] <Zenwhat>	It works!!! :D
[12:52:27] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30152 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiBase.php: Fixing some messages in ApiBase
[12:52:57] <Splarka>	when I do that, I get exactly 38 results for google links in the main namespace
[12:53:01] <Splarka>	of the first 500 anyway
[12:53:13] <Splarka>	so, if you wanted to filter just User: you'd do:
[12:53:20] <Splarka>	linked from User\:
[12:53:39] <Splarka>	you have to escape almost any nonalphanumeric characters if you want them literal
[12:53:47] <Splarka>	if you wanted to do that *or* talk:
[12:53:51] <Zenwhat>	Also, Splarka, it'll still work if I import your js into my monobook.js MANUALLY, right?
[12:53:54] <Splarka>	linked from (User\:|Talk\:)
[12:53:59] <Zenwhat>	In case you decide to quit Wikipedia and vanish, I want my own copy.
[12:54:11] <Splarka>	sure, but better to copy it to Zenwhat/lifilter.js
[12:54:17] <Splarka>	and then import from there
[12:54:23] <Zenwhat>	Ah, OK.
[12:54:32] <Splarka>	| is the "or" in regex
[13:02:56] <aton`>	has anyone build a system to authenticate users of mediawiki as users of phpbb and the other way round?
[13:03:09] <aton`>	i.e. that a site that has both, mediawiki and phpbb only needs one authentication
[13:03:15] <Splarka>	wikia has
[13:03:37] *Splarka 	watched Datrio slowly go mad doing that, and desiging a monobook style for phpbb
[13:05:43] <MONK3000>	Splarka: Ok changed the all related system messages to do it manually. Maybe better against those spam bots then some automatic process.
[13:05:52] <Splarka>	heh
[13:06:18] <Zenwhat>	Yeah, Splarka, I appreciate this: It's REALLY helpful.
[13:06:31] <Zenwhat>	However, it's waaay too tedious. :P Look at the instructions I made here.
[13:06:32] <Zenwhat>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zenwhat/Greylist#Instructions
[13:06:37] <Splarka>	aton`: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration  ?
[13:06:52] <Zenwhat>	Well, nvm, it's probably good enough for now.
[13:07:40] <Splarka>	well, anyone who knows regex can clean up the example for you
[13:07:46] <Splarka>	I am sure someone in #wikipedia-en does
[13:08:58] <aton`>	Splarka, thanks!!
[13:08:59] <Zenwhat>	Yeah.
[13:09:05] <Splarka>	np
[13:09:06] <Zenwhat>	Thanks!
[13:10:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	wtf:
[13:10:49] <Jack_Phoenix>	Fatal error: Call to a member function getConnection() on a non-object in /home/www/wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 2240
[13:11:00] <Jack_Phoenix>	that wasn't there a minute ago 9_9
[13:11:10] <Splarka>	Jack: where, and what version?
[13:11:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://story.jackphoenix.com/wiki/Special:Allpages - MW 1.11 + funky shared settings (ask RoanKattouw, he knows)
[13:12:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	ack
[13:12:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's everywhere...I've screwed up again -.-
[13:12:13] <Splarka>	ouch
[13:16:13] <aton`>	Splarka, do you know the other way round? authenticating phpbb users on a mediawiki usertable?
[13:16:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	Spl: wanna tell me where I failed? Here's the lines that caused the nasty error 500s:
[13:16:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgMiserMode = true; //let's not kill the servers
[13:16:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_ANYTHING; // anything goes now, as long as it works
[13:16:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgDisableCounters=true; //the final tweak, according to domas the troll
[13:19:17] <domas>	what the heck is CACHE_ANYTHING; ?
[13:19:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMainCacheType - "CACHE_ANYTHING - Use anything, as long as it works" according to that
[13:19:54] <domas>	uh
[13:20:01] <domas>	wtf. :)
[13:20:02] <Splarka>	Splarka knows php only as pseudocode, despite tim's best efforts to make him learn it or at least not be so dumb at asking questions about it
[13:20:22] <Splarka>	Splarka only seems smart because he knows how to Prefixindex mediawiki.org
[13:20:52] <Splarka>	Splarka doesn't talk in the third person, nor does he make contradictory statements, except when he does
[13:21:06] <Splarka>	anyway, for everything else, blame domas
[13:21:34] <Jack_Phoenix>	I can't blame domas for user-caused site slowness :p
[13:21:36] <Splarka>	aton`: not sure if anyone has done that way round, you could link the login link on phpbb to the mediawiki tho?
[13:22:04] <aton`>	Splarka, yes the login is not the problem, the registration is!
[13:22:12] <Splarka>	ahh
[13:22:17] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: if you have APC installed, just use CACHE_ACCEL;
[13:22:17] <aton`>	i dont mind ppl logging in twice but i need to keep track of who is registering
[13:22:22] <aton`>	not everybody may register
[13:22:26] <aton`>	very restricted access
[13:22:39] <Splarka>	aton: merge the user databases disable account creation on the bb?
[13:22:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	don't think that the server has...I can't change much since I don't own the server, sadly
[13:22:41] <domas>	Splarka: prefixindex is my feature!!!!11
[13:22:47] <domas>	Splarka: the only one I added to mediawiki! ;-)
[13:22:54] <Splarka>	domas: well, arguable, yes
[13:22:55] <aton`>	Splarka, how to "merge the user dbs"?
[13:23:02] <Splarka>	everything else you've ever done to mediawiki is a bug domas ^_^
[13:23:21] <Splarka>	aton: no idea, ask the database nerds like domas
[13:23:25] *Splarka 	pokles domas
[13:23:32] <domas>	=(((
[13:23:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	wtf
[13:23:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgMainCacheType is being a fail
[13:23:49] *Splarka 	gives domas a cookie, aww
[13:23:51] <aton`>	or i will use the plugin
[13:23:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgMainCacheType = CACHE_DB; FAILS, like CACHE_ANYTHING does
[13:24:07] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: cause it can't connect to DB?
[13:24:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmm, might be more than likely...
[13:24:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	ugly hacks are ugly ;-)
[13:24:38] <Splarka>	aton: well, you could delete the phpbb user database and disable creation... only allowing mediawiki logins to work there... 
[13:24:39] <domas>	http://dammit.lt/2007/01/26/mediawiki-performance-tuning/
[13:24:46] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: thats where your perf tuning should start and end
[13:24:47] <domas>	;-D
[13:25:38] <aton`>	Splarka, okay but phpbb has to authenticate its users somehow, how do i tell phpbb to use the mediawiki users?
[13:25:41] <aton`>	thats the problem
[13:25:53] <Zenwhat>	BTW, since this is mediawiki, I'm going to assume you folks here are smart.
[13:25:55] <Splarka>	isn't that what that extension thingy did? 
[13:26:00] <Zenwhat>	I'd like your opinion about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Wikimedia.27s_statistics_are_not_trustworthy.5CEvidence_Wikipedia_is_failing.
[13:26:03] <aton`>	no its exactly the other way round
[13:26:10] <Zenwhat>	The statistics Wikimedia has released have been horrible.
[13:26:17] <aton`>	(i can use that too, but it would be cooler if it was wiki users used  by phpbb)
[13:26:32] <Zenwhat>	At best, they were sloppily collected. At worst, there was a conspiracy to manipulate statistics and selectively publish them to avoid making Wikipedia look bad.
[13:26:35] <Splarka>	aton: hmm, ask in #wikia .. I think they did it that way
[13:29:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	domas: I've read that, it's a good post <g> assuming apc /was/ installed on my server, it'd show up on phpinfo, right?
[13:32:52] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: yup
[13:33:06] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: though eaccel would do too
[13:33:14] <domas>	or xcache, dunno if the version you use has xcache support
[13:33:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	k, let's see
[13:33:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	wtf
[13:33:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	no apc, eaccel OR xcache
[13:35:20] *Jack_Phoenix 	stabs the servadmins
[13:36:16] <flyingparchment>	lots of people don't realise quite how slow php can be without a bytecode cache
[13:36:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	apparently I've chosen a fail shared host...damn, tough luck. mediawiki's being really slow and I wanted to fix it...blah
[13:37:43] <flyingparchment>	buy a dedicated virtual server for $15/month
[13:38:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	I'm actually gonna buy a real server, co-locate it and set up a wiki hosting service with a couple other people...well, that is if all goes well :)
[13:45:34] <domas>	Jack_Phoenix: opcode cache is something like 10x faster stuff.
[13:45:35] <domas>	:)
[13:46:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	damn, I wish I had that...stupid Finnish servers and shared hosting providers
[13:50:59] <KaZeR>	hello world.
[13:51:07] <KaZeR>	how do i link to a user account? i'm building a list of users who contributed to something, and i'd like to link their name in the list to their own page in mediawiki
[13:51:19] <KaZeR>	i tried [[User:nick]] but it doesn't seem to be ok (displays User:nick instead of nick
[13:57:26] <flyingparchment>	[[User:Whatever|Whatever]]
[14:06:03] <slapMe>	hi! Is there a way to limit editing of pages to verified users? :)
[14:06:56] <domas>	sure
[14:07:03] <domas>	check the group rights
[14:07:17] <slapMe>	I'll do, thx! :)
[14:08:39] <slapMe>	hmm.. I can't find any Page to edit group permissions :(
[14:09:03] <slapMe>	do i need the root-account?
[14:09:57] <KaZeR>	flyingparchment, thanks
[14:10:55] <domas>	slapMe: thats in configuration
[14:11:05] <domas>	slapMe: though you can assign groups with web interface
[14:14:32] *KaZeR 	slaps slapMe 
[14:14:39] <KaZeR>	as per your request. you're welcome
[14:14:39] <KaZeR>	:)
[14:17:19] <Duesentrieb>	!access | slapMe
[14:17:19] --mwbot--	slapMe: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[14:17:23] <Duesentrieb>	!rights | slapMe
[14:17:23] --mwbot--	slapMe: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[14:17:36] <Duesentrieb>	hm? the two are the same now?
[14:17:38] <Duesentrieb>	bah, whatever
[14:22:54] <slapMe>	domas: thank you! :)
[14:41:33] <slapMe>	is there a way to add new groups?
[14:41:53] <domas>	just define them in config
[14:41:57] <domas>	and set rights for them
[14:41:59] <domas>	thats it :)
[14:42:10] <slapMe>	hehe okay
[14:42:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New logo for Basque Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12789 15enhancement; highest; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (galder158)
[14:43:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New logo for Basque Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12789  (10galder158)
[14:44:29] <slapMe>	wow.. that's cool :D
[14:57:18] <ibob63>	I've just updated to 1.11.1 from 1.4.x  and for some reason none of the images are appearing the pages there are just appearing as links any ideas what this might be? 
[15:12:03] <frieze>	is there a good faq anywhere on what file permissions/ownership should be set to in a mediawiki? I'm trying to find the minimal permission set for my files (particularly LocalSettings.php which has passwords in clear)
[15:13:57] <jexmex>	ok, I was in last night...
[15:14:17] <jexmex>	I am grabbing the content from a wikipedia page
[15:14:32] <jexmex>	and I end up with what I was told is wikicode
[15:15:17] <jexmex>	I was just going to create a function to clean all this stuff out, but it looks like it could be pretty involved, so I was hoping somebody knew of a php function out there to do this for me
[15:18:57] <wakejagr>	when i use mediawiki's built-in feature to upload a file, what user should be writing the file?  right now, uploaded files are owned by "nobody".
[15:20:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to not display [+] if no sub-category exists - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11132  (10hsolbrig)
[15:21:07] <flyingparchment>	wakejagr: whatever user php runs as
[15:21:23] <lch>	the process under which your webserver daemon is running
[15:21:39] <flyingparchment>	if you're using mod_php (or cgi without suexec) then yes
[15:21:45] <flyingparchment>	but php isn't always running under the webserver uid
[15:22:04] <wakejagr>	thanks, that's what i was thinking
[15:22:09] <jexmex>	so there is no way to clean out the {{whatever this text would be}} from the pages? or what aobut the [[link to another article]]
[15:32:23] <MZMcBride>	Tim: i updated en.wiki's watchlist notice
[15:33:49] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: can you make language selector use scriptpath?
[15:34:37] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: around?
[15:35:07] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: uh, i guess... what is it using now?
[15:35:13] <AzaTht>	did tim reactivate the new parser?
[15:35:19] <Duesentrieb>	(it's a nasty hack anyway)
[15:35:25] <Duesentrieb>	(the skin bit, at least)
[15:35:29] <MZMcBride>	AzaTht: yes
[15:35:46] <Nikerabbit>	x.y.z.Ã¥ - - [25/Jan/2008:15:33:11 +0000] "GET /wiki/Main_Page?setlang=ba HTTP/1.1" 200 11182 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
[15:35:49] <MZMcBride>	not globally though
[15:36:01] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Technical
[15:36:06] <AzaTht>	unfunctional
[15:36:12] <AzaTht>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achromatopsia
[15:36:37] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: globally?
[15:36:52] <MZMcBride>	not WMF wide, just en.wiki and test.wiki, as far as i know
[15:37:08] <AzaTht>	ok
[15:37:17] <AzaTht>	it's a bug in that particular template
[15:37:25] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: line 345 is relevant I guess
[15:37:51] <Nikerabbit>	or somewhere around, I might have local changes
[15:37:55] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: probably something knownable allready
[15:38:16] <MZMcBride>	AzaTht: fixed
[15:38:25] <KaZeR>	++
[15:38:37] <AzaTht>	ty
[15:38:38] <jexmex>	you guys seem knowledable, so am I missing something on the api that omits the templating stuff, or at least parses it?
[15:39:08] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: did tim fix all three bugs?
[15:39:24] <MZMcBride>	he fixed <!-- ~~~~ --> and segfaults
[15:39:35] <MZMcBride>	the third, the MediaWiki: bug, i think he ignored
[15:41:30] <TimStarling>	I think the mediawiki namespace issues are basically a mix of old bugs still present and old bugs fixed
[15:43:37] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:44:01] <TimStarling>	so it'd be nice to fix the old bugs still present, but it's probably not urgent
[15:46:53] <AzaTht>	is it that you are not to be able to use $n in MW space any more?
[15:50:11] <carl-m>	AzaTht: huh?
[15:50:29] <AzaTht>	uhu!
[15:51:06] <carl-m>	AzaTht: the message substitution code has changed?
[15:55:13] <AzaTht>	tim had a bug about the messages
[15:56:44] <AzaTht>	yes!
[15:56:58] <AzaTht>	now you can start switch results with # ツ
[15:57:06] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/X9
[15:57:09] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: want a diff?
[15:57:53] <MZMcBride>	ooh, that's nice
[15:58:08] <TimStarling>	we transform first and substitute $n second, that's the most important thing to know
[15:58:21] <TimStarling>	it seems to have always been that way
[15:58:28] <TimStarling>	but it's completely broken
[15:58:30] <Nikerabbit>	hmm?
[15:58:48] <TimStarling>	sometimes due to double parsing it will kind of appear to work
[15:59:01] <Nikerabbit>	wfmsgext calls usually replace first before any parsing
[15:59:06] <TimStarling>	but the circumstances under which it work may have changed slightly with the new parser
[15:59:10] <TimStarling>	I'm not talking about wfMsgExt
[15:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Javascript variables for section and preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8946  +comment (10pathoschild)
[15:59:21] <TimStarling>	I'm talking about all the other ones
[15:59:36] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: diff? i'm in the middle of something completely different right now. glancing LanguageSelector.php, i don't quite know what i should be looking for... and why. what should it use wgScriptPath for?
[15:59:39] <Nikerabbit>	yeah those can do weird things
[16:02:02] <MZMcBride>	hmm.. the new preprocessor broke my hack at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Exif-make-value
[16:05:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Javascript variables for section and preview mode - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8946  (10AlexSm)
[16:07:40] <TimStarling>	let's have a moment of silence in memory of MZM's hack
[16:11:08] <TimStarling>	there's other hacks you can do to get the same effect
[16:11:23] <TimStarling>	but eventually I'm going to break them too and make the only solution the most obvious one
[16:11:32] <TimStarling>	i.e. write messages as if they were templates
[16:11:38] <MZMcBride>	ah
[16:11:52] <MZMcBride>	MediaWiki: always seemed like the oddest namespace
[16:12:10] <MZMcBride>	Category_talk: always seemed like the most worthless
[16:12:18] <TimStarling>	you can exploit the double-parsing that's still available using {{((}} instead of {{
[16:12:38] <TimStarling>	you know why I called it MediaWiki?
[16:12:50] <MZMcBride>	no idea
[16:12:50] <TimStarling>	because nobody on wikipedia knew what the software was called
[16:12:56] <TimStarling>	I don't think we have that problem anymore
[16:13:04] <MZMcBride>	hehe. clever
[16:15:13] <Nikerabbit>	:o
[16:15:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10gangleri)
[16:15:39] <Nikerabbit>	have to confess it'snot called mediawiki in Finnish
[16:16:26] <MZMcBride>	all better
[16:16:39] <MZMcBride>	though now, it's quite hackish
[16:17:17] <Nikerabbit>	damn typos
[16:17:42] <TimStarling>	well, I'll let you know when I break that hack and you can just subst the template
[16:18:19] <Nikerabbit>	it's nice to have someone who has gut to break things for benecifial changes
[16:19:26] <MZMcBride>	i ended up putting the #switch directly in the MediaWiki namespace... felt very awkward
[16:20:45] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30154 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/api/ (ApiBase.php ApiEditPage.php): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Pretty much completely rewritten the mess that was ApiEditPage. Haven't tested this very intensively yet
[16:21:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Changes in global CSS/ JS do not apply - unable to purge site CSS/JS - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12775  (10gangleri)
[16:21:44] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30155 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (17 files in 7 dirs): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Merging today's revisions from trunk
[16:47:58] <CrazyTB>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgProxyKey
[16:48:12] <CrazyTB>	huh... If wgProxyKey is deprecated and maybe removed...
[16:48:31] <CrazyTB>	why does the current config script generate a LocalSettings with such var?
[17:01:07] <AzaTht>	uh, will  #blah stop work in MW space?
[17:02:33] <hashar>	CrazyTB> because the script in ./config/ didnt get updated
[17:34:44] <brion>	morning boys and girls
[17:48:59] <lch>	hi brion 
[17:49:25] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi brion
[17:49:48] <VasilievVV>	hi brion
[17:50:03] <Schroeder>	bye brion
[17:50:05] <brion>	we don't have a coffee maker :(
[17:52:02] *Sundance_Raphael 	gives brion a cup of hot and well smalling coffe
[17:52:36] <brion>	mmmmmmm
[17:52:37] <brion>	thx
[17:52:45] <Sundance_Raphael>	np
[17:55:53] <Simetrical>	CSS (tracking)
[17:55:57] <Simetrical>	That's a fairly . . . broad bug.
[17:55:58] *Simetrical 	shrugs
[17:56:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:56:13] <Simetrical>	I suppose it will be useful for me.
[17:57:45] <tauro>	hello
[17:57:54] <tauro>	can somebody speak German?
[17:57:58] <lch>	yeah
[17:58:06] <tauro>	ja?
[17:58:51] <tauro>	Ich: can you speak German?
[18:00:19] <tauro>	can anybody help me???
[18:00:37] <Isnogud>	tauro: leg los.
[18:01:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:01:40] <tauro>	gut
[18:02:01] <tauro>	also, ich würde gerne mediawiki mit phpbb3 nutzen
[18:02:14] <tauro>	das heisst, dass mediawiki direkt die User übernimmt
[18:02:30] <tauro>	nun habe ich auf der mediawiki seite auch dieses skript gefunden
[18:02:39] <tauro>	doch es funkt. trotzdem nicht
[18:03:01] <tauro>	ich weiss auch nicht recht, wo ich in diesem skript etwas ändern muss
[18:03:09] <tauro>	weisst du, wie das geht?
[18:03:25] <Isnogud>	moeglich. 
[18:03:47] <Isnogud>	was hast du denn probiert? es gibt doch sicher so etwas wie eine installationsanleitung, richtig?
[18:04:10] <tauro>	ja, aber dort steht nicht, dass man überhaupt etwas ändern muss
[18:04:25] <tauro>	und man muss aber etwas ändern, da bin ich mir ziemlich sicher
[18:04:44] <Isnogud>	hm. also gib mir doch mal den link zu der Extension.
[18:04:52] <tauro>	als erstes sollte ich jedoch wissen: muss ich mediawiki in den ordner des forums tun?
[18:04:58] <Isnogud>	Du warst heute schon mal da, oder?
[18:05:07] <tauro>	ehm, ja, aber am mittag
[18:05:49] <Isnogud>	Und jemand hat dich auf die entsprechende Seite im MW verwiesen Ich erinnere mich, weil ich mir die Extension dann auch angeschaut habe.
[18:05:59] <Isnogud>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration
[18:06:45] <tauro>	nein, niemand hat sich gemeldet. Diesen Link hab ich rein getan
[18:06:46] <Isnogud>	Da steht doch was man machen muss, oder?
[18:06:56] <tauro>	aber das war doch im phpbb chat
[18:07:27] <lch>	http://www.phpbb.de/viewtopic.php?p=947062
[18:07:33] <Isnogud>	wie auch immer.
[18:07:34] <tauro>	ja, auf jeden fall, muss ich nun das mediawiki als erstes in den ordner forum auf dem server tun???
[18:07:50] <Isnogud>	steht jedenfalls nicht so da.
[18:08:51] <tauro>	gut und dann 2. muss ich eine eigene sql datenbank einrichten, für das wiki, oder die des forums verwenden??
[18:09:07] <Isnogud>	Steht eigentlich auch da.
[18:09:23] <tauro>	gut
[18:09:30] <tauro>	und dann zu diesem skript
[18:09:36] <Isnogud>	Es geht beides. Aber es scheint u.U. Probleme zu geben wenn man verschiedene benutzt.
[18:09:57] <tauro>	aha
[18:10:07] <tauro>	und das mit dem ordner spielt keine Rolle??
[18:10:13] <Isnogud>	Warum liest du eigentlich nicht einfach mal die Anleitung? Nicht boese gemeint. Aber deine Fragen werden doch dort beantwortet.
[18:10:35] <lch>	weil die anleitung in englisch ist
[18:10:37] <lch>	vermutlich
[18:10:45] <Isnogud>	oh.
[18:10:45] <tauro>	nein, dort steht ja das nicht, und ich habe mediawiki bald 10mal installiert
[18:10:51] <tauro>	und es geht immer noch nicht
[18:11:40] <apizzle>	hey guys, do any of you know of an IRC bot that I can use to edit mediawiki?
[18:11:57] <apizzle>	i.e. one that i can /msg and itll edit my wiki somehow accordingly
[18:12:04] <tauro>	will mir jetzt trotzdem jemand helfen???????
[18:12:11] <Isnogud>	hast du denn die LocalSettings.php wie beschrieben editiert, und die Auth_phpBB.php in den extensions Ordner des MW kopiert?
[18:12:19] <Isnogud>	das tun wir doch...
[18:12:49] <Isnogud>	Kennst du 'Per Anhalter durch die Galaxie'?
[18:13:12] <tauro>	ja, :-): hab ich gemacht, doch in der anleitung steht nicht, wie ich die localsetting.php bearbeiten muss
[18:13:23] <Isnogud>	Das Buch auf dem 'Keine Panik' steht?
[18:13:28] <tauro>	ich habs dann so ein bisschen ausprobiert
[18:13:36] <tauro>	doch es geht immer noch nicht
[18:13:50] <Isnogud>	Doch. das steht da. Ok. Dann probieren wir das mal zusammen, ok?
[18:13:58] <tauro>	ok
[18:14:30] <Isnogud>	wie greifst du auf die LocalSettings.php zu?
[18:15:31] <Isnogud>	Kopierst du sie per FTP auf den Webserver?
[18:16:53] <tauro>	joaps
[18:17:59] <brion>	http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Software_Developer_/_IT_Support
[18:18:15] <Isnogud>	tauro: kannst du die auf pastey.net posten? Ohne deine Zugangsdaten natuerlich. 
[18:18:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	brion: [[uncyclopedia:AAAAAAAA!]]
[18:19:11] <brion>	:D
[18:19:11] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: hihi
[18:19:25] <Isnogud>	do you know the Nobody Cares one?
[18:19:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  (10ThomasBleher)
[18:19:53] <eugo>	ok has anyone downloaded http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20080103/enwiki-20080103-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 ? i have downloaded it twice, with the same sha1sum, but it always aborts with this error: "[3495: huff+mtf data integrity (CRC) error in data"
[18:19:57] <eugo>	does anyone hold this file?
[18:20:01] <apizzle>	do any of you know of an IRC bot that I can use to edit mediawiki?
[18:20:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	Isnogud: you kidding? I cite [[UN:N]] every now and then on various IRC channels ;-)
[18:20:55] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[18:21:01] <eugo>	does anyone have it? i need a pat2 file for it
[18:21:05] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: that Nobody Cares and AAAAA Articles are the best. Makes my day everytime.
[18:21:06] <eugo>	*par2
[18:21:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	<g>
[18:23:01] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: 'I can see you lips moving, but all here is Bla Bla Bla'
[18:23:08] <Isnogud>	hehe
[18:23:33] *Jack_Phoenix 	is an admin (rather new one) over at Uncyc :)
[18:23:38] <tauro>	ich habe die daten schon damals im phpbb forum nicht veröffentlicht
[18:23:45] <tauro>	haben aber alle gedacht
[18:23:48] <tauro>	:-P
[18:24:26] <Isnogud>	tauro: kannst du mir die Konfiguration also auf pastey geben?
[18:25:47] <tauro>	pastey===????
[18:25:52] <Isnogud>	pastey.net
[18:25:59] <Isnogud>	->topic
[18:26:05] <Simetrical>	!pastebin
[18:26:05] --mwbot--	Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[18:26:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  (10ThomasBleher)
[18:26:56] <slapMe>	hey, can you TAG wikipages? Or are there plugins who can do this? :)
[18:26:57] <Isnogud>	Simetrical: thanks :)
[18:27:26] <Simetrical>	slapMe, categories work pretty similarly to tags.
[18:27:31] <Simetrical>	There are probably extensions, though.
[18:27:32] <domas>	slapMe: there're categories
[18:27:34] <Simetrical>	Let's see if the bot knows.
[18:27:35] <Simetrical>	!tagging
[18:27:35] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "tagging".
[18:27:56] <slapMe>	well, okay :)
[18:28:10] <slapMe>	!categories maybe? :D
[18:28:10] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[18:28:17] <slapMe>	whohoo :D
[18:28:48] <Pathoschild>	The new parser doesn't go through templates' <noinclude> sections on transclusion, does it?
[18:28:51] <Wiredtape>	slapme, there is also an extension that does tagging... 
[18:29:29] <slapMe>	Wiredtape: thanks, but I'll check out the capacities of categories first :)
[18:30:08] <Simetrical>	They're logically the same, but the interface for adding and searching them isn't exactly as you'd expect for tags.
[18:30:22] <Simetrical>	Because categories predate the current tag fad.
[18:30:31] <Isnogud>	tauro: also ich habe jetzt nicht mehr so viel Zeit. Wenn du meine Hilfe noch brauchst solltest du dich beeilen.
[18:30:40] <tauro>	ok
[18:35:06] <tauro>	also isnogud es ist gerade so weit
[18:36:03] <tauro>	an isnogud: hier ist es http://www.tauro-community.ch/phpfehler.htm
[18:36:46] <tauro>	keine sorge,die daten sind geändert
[18:38:24] <Wiredtape>	anyone know of a good virtual pc emulator for linux? (needed to run win xp) 
[18:38:45] <Pathoschild>	VMWare works pretty well, and it has an indefinite full-featured trial.
[18:39:59] <Pathoschild>	I've run Windows Vista/XP/98 and Ubuntu on it fine. I've only had problems with sound on Win98 and 3D acceleration generally.
[18:40:17] <Wiredtape>	Pathoschild, thx ... can use .vhd? 
[18:40:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) [edit=sysop] and [edit=autoconfirmed] without :move= autoconfirmed or move=sysop not listed in log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12790 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (michael.frey)
[18:41:01] <Pathoschild>	It doesn't seem to.
[18:41:33] <Pathoschild>	(Just based on the options in the 'Open Virtual Machine' panel.)
[18:43:43] <Wiredtape>	Pathoschild, so it basically comes with several machines pre-installed or do you need to install?
[18:43:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cannot rename/move images and other media files. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[18:44:17] <tauro>	und isnogud?????
[18:44:20] <Isnogud>	tauro: was meinst du mit php Fehler?
[18:44:29] <Pathoschild>	Wiredtape: No, you need to have the installation CD; it's a legal company, so they can't distribute copies themselves.
[18:44:36] <tauro>	das ist einfach der dateiname
[18:44:43] <tauro>	einfach so :-P
[18:44:43] <Pathoschild>	(But they're not too hard to find on the Internet.)
[18:44:45] <Isnogud>	wenn die Zeilen einkommentiert sind gibt es eine Fehlermeldung?
[18:45:13] <Isnogud>	tauro: ist das wiki online?
[18:45:20] <tauro>	jop
[18:45:25] <Wiredtape>	Pathoschild, :) that's why I was asking if it supports .vhd, as microsoft have a free virtualization for win xp + ie6 ..
[18:45:28] <Isnogud>	tauro: link?
[18:45:57] <Pathoschild>	Wiredtape: Install Windows so you can use their Windows virtualization. Duh. :p
[18:46:20] <tauro>	www.tauro-community.ch
[18:46:37] <tauro>	also in den localsettings habe ich nun noch nichts verändert
[18:46:42] <Wiredtape>	Pathoschild, lol, microsoft was never one to make a lot of sense... :)
[18:46:48] <tauro>	der pfad stimmt in dem fall noch nicht
[18:46:57] <tauro>	soll ich ihn schnell ändern???
[18:47:22] <Isnogud>	tauro: pfad?
[18:47:48] <Isnogud>	tauro: aender mal die LocalSettings so das sie dem entspricht was du mir gesendet hast.
[18:48:07] <Isnogud>	tauro: also diese phpfehler
[18:48:16] <tauro>	die sind genau so, wie ich sie dir geschickt habe
[18:48:31] <tauro>	es geht jedoch nicht, weil dort der pfad zum forum noch nicht stimmt
[18:48:37] <tauro>	ich habe ihn nun geändert
[18:48:56] <tauro>	www.tauro-community.ch/wiki
[18:49:00] <lch>	vhd is microsoft's virtual hard disc from Virtual Server
[18:49:19] <Pathoschild>	Wiredtape: It seems VMWare can convert VHD files: < http://www.aspdeveloper.net/Virtual_PC/rn-739-44005_Convert_VHD_for_VMware.aspx >
[18:49:42] <tauro>	du kannst irgendein benutzername und passwort eingeben.
[18:49:48] <tauro>	es kommt immer das gleiche
[18:49:54] <tauro>	also die gleiche fehlermeldung
[18:49:56] <Wiredtape>	Pathoschild, thanks!
[18:50:00] <Pathoschild>	Welcome. :)
[18:50:51] <Wiredtape>	lch, I know.. though you must admit it makes no sense that I would need to run a virtual windows machine if I were already running windows.. 
[18:51:20] <Wiredtape>	with the exception of special situations :)
[18:51:39] <Isnogud>	tauro: Die Datenbank heisst also web33-wiki?
[18:52:20] <tauro>	jop
[18:52:36] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, Windows kernel developers probably appreciate it.
[18:52:49] <lch>	das is die wiki-datenbank
[18:52:55] <lch>	nicht die phpbb-datenbank
[18:52:57] <Isnogud>	tauro: und darin existiert die Tabelle phpbb3_users
[18:53:08] <lch>	logischerweise mußt du die phpbb-datenbank angeben
[18:53:35] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) create namespace alias on nds Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12780  +comment (10jeluf)
[18:53:54] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, defintely a special situation... :)
[18:54:17] <tauro>	also beim rot gschriebenen zeugs, oder
[18:54:35] <Isnogud>	tauro: sorry. ich bin dann mal weg...
[18:54:41] <tauro>	ok
[18:55:07] <tauro>	also, lch: was muss ich nun wo eintragen???
[18:57:01] <ZorroIII>	is there an easy way to review range blocks? ie someone blocks a /16 and another admin wants to review that block by checking contributions from the range
[18:59:47] <lch>	die phpbb datenbank in $wgAuth_Config['MySQL_*']
[18:59:52] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, why would you ever want to virtualize, though?  Microsoft would love to be able to persuade Windows virtual-server vendors to use Windows for the hypervisor too.
[19:00:41] <Simetrical>	ZorroIII, I don't think so, no.  I don't think it would necessarily be hard to write at all, but I don't think it exists either.
[19:01:01] <MrZ-man>	there is one for Wikimedia on the toolserver
[19:01:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Rollback for sv.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12762  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:01:11] <MrZ-man>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/rangecontribs.php
[19:01:21] <MrZ-man>	but its down now :(
[19:01:23] <Simetrical>	CIDR ranges include slashes, so they're certainly invalid usernames.  Should be no conflict.  And B-trees handle prefix searches fine.
[19:01:37] *Simetrical 	looks to see if he can read the source
[19:02:00] <MrZ-man>	but that one doesn't do CIDR
[19:02:20] <Simetrical>	ls: /home/vvv/rangecontribs.php: No such file or directory
[19:02:30] <Simetrical>	What does (did) it do?
[19:02:40] <MrZ-man>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/rangecontribs.php?user=75.51.73&wiki=enwiki_p - would be the same as 75.51.73.0/24
[19:02:47] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, are you asking about me specifically or in general?
[19:03:47] <MrZ-man>	but http://tools.wikimedia.de/~vvv/rangecontribs.php?user=1.51.73&wiki=enwiki_p would be 1.51.73.0/24 and 151.73.0.0/16 and others
[19:04:04] <MrZ-man>	I think
[19:04:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Set local timezone for Kazakh projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12761  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:09:41] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, by "why would you ever want to virtualize" I mean "you would want to virtualize Windows on Windows for the same reason you'd want to virtualize anything".  It was a rhetorical question.
[19:10:31] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, tuche`
[19:11:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Arbcom-en wiki config please -- namespace additions - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12756  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:11:58] <_CitizenKane_>	is there a limit on extra namespaces?
[19:12:41] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please set time zone for dsbwiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12743  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:12:54] <ZorroIII>	Simetrical: same reasons one virtualizes windows in ESX, I guess
[19:13:45] <MinuteElectron>	_CitizenKane_: no
[19:14:00] <MinuteElectron>	well, only technical implied limits
[19:14:11] <MinuteElectron>	e.g. over several hundred thousand
[19:14:22] <_CitizenKane_>	ah, so not like 16
[19:14:37] <MinuteElectron>	no
[19:14:47] <Wiredtape>	is it still "correct" to use align="center" for a content wrapper div? or is it "better" to use margin: 0 auto; text-align: center; (for ie)? 
[19:15:23] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, it's valid XHTML Transitional 1.0 to use align="center".
[19:15:29] <Simetrical>	It's not valid XHTML Strict.
[19:15:36] <_CitizenKane_>	well, that's interesting
[19:15:46] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, thanks. 
[19:16:28] <_CitizenKane_>	MinuteElectron, well thanks
[19:16:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #expr gives different results on reload - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12791 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (svick)
[19:17:39] <MinuteElectron>	_CitizenKane_: np
[19:17:55] <will_hough>	is there documentation on creating skins for wiki ?
[19:19:00] <Simetrical>	!skins
[19:19:00] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[19:19:43] <will_hough>	appreciated
[19:22:04] <tauro>	lch: kannst du mir sagen, wie ich eine andere usergruppe anstatt wiki angeben kann
[19:22:19] <Wiredtape>	how do I hide certain special pages? (specifically extension special pages)
[19:22:27] <Wiredtape>	for non sysops..
[19:22:46] <lch>	$wgAuth_Config['WikiGroupName']
[19:24:23] <tauro>	aber wie gebe ich dort Registrierte Benutzer ein  : gross oder klein und mit _ oder ohne?
[19:25:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable Special:Import on some Catalan projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12730  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:26:41] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, typically you alter $wgGroupPermissions to deny the group permission.  There's no general-purpose way.  Which extension is it?
[19:28:07] <Wiredtape>	SemanticForms...
[19:29:09] <Wiredtape>	However, I don't need to deny access to it's special pages, just make them not appear on the special:specialpages... 
[19:29:52] <Simetrical>	Whether it appears there or not is determined by a method of the SpecialPage subclass, typically.
[19:29:58] <Simetrical>	Or otherwise by the extension code.
[19:30:09] <Simetrical>	You'd have to hack the extension, I guess.
[19:30:42] <Wiredtape>	Do you know what i'm looking for? 
[19:30:51] <Wiredtape>	* what i should look for.. ?
[19:32:47] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, I've never looked at the particular extension, so no.
[19:32:57] <Simetrical>	I'd suggest you ask the authors.
[19:33:30] <tauro>	lch: wenn ich mich einloggen will kommt immer folgendes: Fehler bei der Anmeldung:You are not a member of the required phpBB group. 
[19:33:43] <tauro>	was muss ich tun??
[19:33:47] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, thanks.. 
[19:34:27] <Simetrical>	Wow, no wonder Google's PDF to HTML renderings are so screwed up.
[19:34:38] <Simetrical>	<div style="position: absolute; top: 4486px; left: 538px;">
[19:34:53] <lch>	tauro, die gruppe anlegen die du in $wgAuth_Config['WikiGroupName'] angegeben hast und dich dort in phpbb hinzufügen, oder $wgAuth_Config['UseWikiGroup'] auf false setzen
[19:37:37] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Namespace request for Wikibooks Turkish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12677  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:37:53] <tauro>	ok danke lch
[19:37:58] <tauro>	jetzt geht es
[19:38:54] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Please activate Quiz extension on nds.Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12748  +comment (10jeluf)
[19:46:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fix a bug in LocalSettings.php in Crimean Tatar Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12721  +comment (10jeluf)
[20:01:50] <Filnik>	byez!
[20:02:15] <_CitizenKane_>	i'd would like to set up different namespaces and have them each editable by different groups, what would be the best way to do that?
[20:04:00] <Simetrical>	_CitizenKane_, $wgNamespaceRestrictions, I think it's called.
[20:04:03] <Simetrical>	!wg NamespaceRestrictions
[20:04:03] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceRestrictions
[20:04:15] <Simetrical>	No, that's not it.
[20:04:28] <Simetrical>	!wg NamespaceProtection
[20:04:28] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection
[20:04:30] <Simetrical>	That's it.
[20:06:29] <_CitizenKane_>	Simetrical, does that also work with custom namespaces?
[20:07:14] <Simetrical>	_CitizenKane_, yes.
[20:08:07] <_CitizenKane_>	Simetrical, well i understand all that, what I don't understand is how I would give a group permission to edit a certain namespace
[20:09:04] <_CitizenKane_>	such as $wgNamespaceProtection = array('editprivelege')
[20:09:23] <Simetrical>	_CitizenKane_, $wgNamespaceProtection[100] = array( 'editmynamespace' );
[20:09:34] <Simetrical>	Then only users with the permission 'editmynamespace' can edit pages in namespace 100.
[20:10:04] <tauro>	Kann mir noch jemand beim einfügen eines logos helfen
[20:10:04] <_CitizenKane_>	so like, $wgGroupPermissions['random']['editmynamespace'] = true; ?
[20:10:18] <Ellywa>	hi all!
[20:10:33] <tauro>	ich habe nun überall in der localsettings gesucht, aber nichts gefunden, wo man den pfad für das bild eingeben kann
[20:10:40] <tauro>	wie und wo muss ich das machen??
[20:10:43] <Simetrical>	_CitizenKane_, yes.
[20:10:56] <_CitizenKane_>	alright, thanks
[20:11:22] <Ellywa>	I need some help... installing Adsense on a Mediawiki website.... is there somebody around who did this before, and who likes to help?
[20:11:41] <Simetrical>	!adsense
[20:11:41] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleAdSense
[20:12:49] <Ellywa>	thanks for the link Simetrical... I am a very simple user... do not dare to touch the PHP database
[20:13:16] <Simetrical>	You'll need to edit LocalSettings.php to do any configuration with MediaWiki.
[20:13:26] <Simetrical>	It's about the only configuration path we provide at present.
[20:15:49] <tauro>	kann mir jemand helfen
[20:16:00] <tauro>	lch, bist du noch da???
[20:16:14] <lch>	ja
[20:16:17] <tauro>	wo kann ich den pfad für das logo links oben eingeben????
[20:17:14] <lch>	das steht doch im bild
[20:18:19] <lch>	$wgLogo in LocalSettings auf den die URL setzen
[20:18:48] <_CitizenKane_>	hmm, well it doesn't seem to be working...
[20:19:07] <eugo>	anyone have a complete copy of enwiki-20080103-pages-meta-current.xml.bz2 ? mine is corrupt, i would need a par2 file to repair it...
[20:19:58] <tauro>	ja, aber befindet sich das in den localsettings??
[20:20:15] <lch>	wenn nicht dann pack's rein
[20:20:28] <_CitizenKane_>	the user's group is the group the is taken from the database correct?
[20:20:55] <lch>	eugo, I'd help you out if it wasn't a 6 GB download :)
[20:21:06] <Simetrical>	Yes.
[20:21:06] <Simetrical>	You need to put users in the group using Special:Userrights.
[20:22:44] <tauro>	kann ich das irgendwo reinschreiben
[20:22:49] <tauro>	am anfang oder ende??
[20:23:32] <lch>	immer ans ende
[20:23:41] <tauro>	ok
[20:24:15] <eugo>	lch: yah heh... i downloaded it twice, get the same sha1sum of both files, so it seems that they corrupted at the same time at the same place, or, the copy that wikipedia holds is corrupted
[20:24:35] <eugo>	i did use getright though... maybe i should use another download manager
[20:24:44] <lch>	wget
[20:25:09] <eugo>	i should use wget, but does it support resume?
[20:25:33] <lch>	that's what it is there for :)
[20:25:49] <eugo>	right... on i go with the download then
[20:25:54] <lch>	getright might want to try funky stuff with segmented downloading
[20:26:05] <eugo>	yah iunno why its fucked up
[20:27:15] <_CitizenKane_>	ah, well i wrote an authentication extension that would add groups automatically, and it does, but even with the added group the editing won't work
[20:27:46] <tauro>	lch, wenn ich an das ende folgendes schreibe: $wgLogo=http://www.blablabla.de/bild.jpg  , dann funktionniert das wiki nicht mehr
[20:28:16] <lch>	in quotes ""
[20:28:38] <lch>	und semikolon am ende
[20:31:02] <Ellywa>	Ich... I am a beginner, could you help with a similar problem als tauro?
[20:31:41] <Ellywa>	lch ... I am a beginner, could you help with a similar problem als tauro?
[20:31:54] <lch>	shoot
[20:32:38] <Ellywa>	Thanks... i have a list of databases in php Myadmin. But where can I find this $wgLogo?
[20:34:30] <Ellywa>	lch Thanks... i have a list of databases in php Myadmin. But where can I find this $wgLogo?
[20:34:54] <lch>	you put it into LocalSettings.php
[20:34:58] <lch>	towards the end
[20:35:04] <lch>	open with a text editor
[20:36:48] <tauro>	lch, wie müsste das dann aussehen?
[20:36:53] <tauro>	also der text
[20:37:21] <lch>	$wgLogo = "skins/common/images/logo.png";
[20:38:15] <Ellywa>	lch - maybe I'm blind but i do not see a localSettings.php< I only see a list like IPblocks, Imagelinks, which is the Mediawiki database I presume
[20:38:26] <lch>	in the file system
[20:38:30] <lch>	not the DB
[20:38:53] <lch>	whereever you installed the software
[20:40:10] <Simetrical>	Ellywa, you'll need to use whatever you used to upload MediaWiki.
[20:40:20] <Simetrical>	If you want a user-friendly Web-based configuration system, don't use MediaWiki.
[20:40:25] <Ellywa>	LOL
[20:40:43] <Ellywa>	a company hosts it for me, haisoft
[20:40:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgTidyInternal not initialized correctly - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12792 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (michaeldaly)
[20:43:10] <RangerRick>	question, is it possible to make a template that sets a category based on a variable?  I'm trying this, but it's not working: * this feature was added in version {{{version|(unknown)}}} [[Category:First Appears in {{{version}}}]]
[20:44:16] <lch>	Ellywa, then you'll have to ask those to change it
[20:44:27] <Simetrical>	Ellywa, do you have FTP access?
[20:44:33] <lch>	if you don't have file access you won't really be able to change much about the wiki
[20:44:49] <Ellywa>	I could try that Simetrical 
[20:45:22] <Simetrical>	RangerRick, it will work.  That kind of dynamic categorization may not show up immediately when you edit the template (all the pages including the template have to be reparsed first), but it should show up eventually.
[20:45:31] <Simetrical>	RangerRick, what happens when you try?
[20:47:34] <_CitizenKane_>	Simetrical, I have another question regarding the namespace protection
[20:47:34] <RangerRick>	Simetrical: um, well, good question; I think I assumed it wasn't working 'cause the template itself renders funny, but I guess that makes sense since I'm not passing a version to it yet
[20:47:54] <Simetrical>	RangerRick, well, right.  You might want to <includeonly> the category.
[20:47:56] <RangerRick>	Simetrical: ok, I'm an idiot, it works  ;)
[20:48:35] <RangerRick>	thanks for the help, and thanks everyone for mediawiki, it rocks!
[20:49:27] <_CitizenKane_>	Simetrical, i do this $wgNamespaceProtection[NS_MAIN] = array ('system');
[20:49:37] <_CitizenKane_>	and then, $wgGroupPermission['random']['system'] = true;
[20:49:47] <Simetrical>	$wgGroupPermissions.
[20:49:51] <Simetrical>	With an 's'.
[20:50:11] <_CitizenKane_>	doh!  well that was stupid of me
[20:50:55] <_CitizenKane_>	Simetrical, thanks for noticing my stupid mistake and for all of the help
[20:52:40] <tauro>	lch, werden eigentlich bei neuen beiträgen links zu entsprechenden wörtern automatisch gesetzt??
[20:53:17] <tauro>	also, ob wenn z.b. der artikel auto vorhanden ist, und ich schreibe im neuen auto, das dann automatisch verlinkt ist
[20:54:06] <lch>	ne, wird nicht automatisch verlinkt
[20:55:19] <tauro>	und das mit dem logo schaffe ich nicht
[20:55:36] <tauro>	wenn ich das mache, kommt immer dieser fehler 500
[20:57:00] <Pathoschild>	Is MediaWiki's URL anchor encoding part of a standard, or invented for MediaWiki? There's no {{#anchordecode:}} to match {{#anchorencode:}}, and I can't find any standard for it that would be useful for using JavaScript to decode it.
[20:57:26] <Simetrical>	Pathoschild, there is no standard for embedding arbitrary character sets in XML ID's that I know of.
[20:57:33] <tauro>	ok das mit dem logo hat sich erledigt
[20:57:42] <Zach>	is there a benefit of not having closing PHP tags?
[20:57:51] <Simetrical>	XML ID's have a format almost as restrictive as C identifiers, and I guess the designers of XML thought of them that way.
[20:58:05] <Simetrical>	Doesn't work so well in the context of URLs, but nobody seems to be addressing the issue anytime soon.
[20:58:14] *Pathoschild 	nods.
[20:58:15] <Simetrical>	Zach, so you don't accidentally add extra whitespace at the end and break everything.
[20:58:37] <Simetrical>	Well, I say no one is.  I'm sure someone is.  China, for one, is being fairly militant about internationalizing the Web.
[20:58:39] <Pathoschild>	Would it be difficult to create an {{#anchordecode:}} function?
[20:58:52] <Simetrical>	Well, we don't actually escape periods, I don't think.
[20:58:59] <Simetrical>	So you might decode things falsely.
[20:59:23] <Simetrical>	I.e., if I type in a literal == x.2B ==, it will be translated to that ID.
[20:59:35] <Simetrical>	As will == x.[whatever character 2B is] ==
[20:59:46] <Simetrical>	Er, well, 2B is actually a printable ASCII character, but you get the point.
[21:00:11] <Simetrical>	Hmm, is that true?  I think it is.  We run urlencode() and then translate % to . (since % is invalid in id's).
[21:00:30] <Simetrical>	Of course urlencode() doesn't escape periods, or I'm fairly sure it doesn't.
[21:00:55] <Simetrical>	No, it doesn't, I just checked.
[21:01:18] <Pathoschild>	Yep, the headers "x.2B" and "x+" are linked to as "x.2B" and "x.2B_2". 
[21:01:28] *Pathoschild 	points at < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Sandbox >.
[21:02:20] <Pathoschild>	Well, I guess there's no safe way to do it then. :)
[21:02:24] <Simetrical>	Nope, not really.
[21:10:33] <Wiredtape>	Is there any autosuggest extension? I found a user script however, it doesn't seem to work for me.. (autosuggest= suggestions when searching)
[21:14:35] <Simetrical>	There's already one for OpenSearch.
[21:14:45] <Simetrical>	Actually, I think there's an autosuggest thing in core.
[21:14:50] <Simetrical>	You just have to enable it, and see if it works.
[21:15:46] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, how do I enable it?
[21:18:21] <Simetrical>	Wiredtape, don't recall offhand.
[21:18:59] <Wiredtape>	Simetrical, ok, thx
[21:28:51] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[21:48:30] <Ellywa>	Simetrical _ Hoyee, it worked, I uploaded the logo and it shows on the wiki !
[22:20:08] <chuck>	the install howto for an extension says that i need extensionfunctions.php in my extensions/ folder, what does that mean?
[22:20:12] <chuck>	where can i get it?
[22:21:15] <Jack_Phoenix>	chuck: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ExtensionFunctions.php?view=log
[22:22:40] <chuck>	is there a way to download a specific file with svn?
[22:23:22] <lch>	chuck, click on "download"
[22:23:29] <OverlordQ>	can I extend the DatabasePostgres class? or do I need to extend Database?
[22:23:32] <chuck>	i mean with the "svn" client
[22:24:22] <lch>	you can only checkout whole repositories afaik
[22:25:26] <Peter017>	hello
[22:25:28] <OverlordQ>	you can checkout a single file
[22:26:10] <Peter017>	I've a little problem with mediawiki but I cannot find the answer on the website
[22:26:15] <Peter017>	when the content of the article I write reaches 64ko, I get a blank page when I click "Save page", "Show preview" or "Show changes"
[22:26:29] <Peter017>	could somebody help me please ?
[22:26:56] <Peter017>	I use mediawiki-1.11.1, php-5.2.4 and MySQL-5.0.45
[22:27:35] <OverlordQ>	what browser you using?
[22:27:42] <Peter017>	firefox
[22:27:47] <Pathoschild>	Blank pages are usually server problems.
[22:28:02] <Peter017>	actually, the page is not totally blank
[22:28:03] <Pathoschild>	(Server-side*, that is.)
[22:28:08] <Peter017>	only the right part
[22:29:18] <Peter017>	do you think it is a problem with apache's config ?
[22:31:51] <Peter017>	on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_Symptoms I read :
[22:32:01] <Peter017>	If your Apache server has the Hardened PHP patch, you may need to edit several variables in your /etc/php.ini file if you wish to have Wiki pages with large amounts of content. In particular, consider the settings for varfilter.max_value_length, hphp.post.max_value_length, and hphp.request.max_value_length. The default settings may limit your pages to less than 10k or 64k in size.
[22:32:28] <Peter017>	but I don't think I use Hardened PHP
[22:32:36] <OverlordQ>	what distro?
[22:33:05] <Peter017>	Mandriva 2008.0
[22:36:34] <avar>	a/w 15
[22:38:51] <Random832>	flyingparchment: modern has no styling for the "new messages" box
[22:39:45] <OverlordQ>	Peter017: if you look at the output of phpinfo it'll say if it's running Harden
[22:41:31] <Peter017>	This server is protected with the Suhosin Extension 0.9.20
[22:41:32] <Peter017>	Copyright (c) 2006 Hardened-PHP Project
[22:41:34] <Peter017>	mmh
[22:41:36] <Peter017>	yes
[22:44:32] <Zach>	is there a way to have a certain HTML comment passed through the parser?
[22:46:25] <avar>	no
[22:46:27] <Dashiva>	You mean so it appears in the final HTML?
[22:46:56] <avar>	if you look at the parser.php file one of the first thing it does is outright strip all comments, so if you want to do this you need to hack that
[22:46:59] <avar>	but it's not pluggable
[22:47:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) [edit=sysop] and [edit=autoconfirmed] without :move= autoconfirmed or move=sysop not listed in log - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12790  +comment (10huji.huji)
[22:47:16] <Peter017>	ok, it works !
[22:47:31] <Dashiva>	There's probably half a dozen comment extensions, though :)
[22:47:39] <avar>	This may cause trouble since one of the tricks the sucky not-a-parser uses is to then later insert its own comments during processing which have special meaning to it
[22:48:27] <Peter017>	OverlordQ : I added varfilter.max_value_length=1M, hphp.post.max_value_length=1M, and hphp.request.max_value_length=1M in php.ini ; I rebooted httpd but it did not change anything
[22:49:10] <Peter017>	OverlordQ : I had to use : 
[22:49:10] <Peter017>	suhosin.max_value_length=1M
[22:49:10] <Peter017>	suhosin.post.max_value_length=1M
[22:49:10] <Peter017>	suhosin.request.max_value_length=1M
[22:49:28] <Peter017>	thanks a lot
[22:50:22] <Peter017>	my text was 337kB
[22:53:48] <OverlordQ>	:)
[22:58:19] <brianbotkiller>	hi everyone, can anyone tell me how to imbed a link into an image that I embed on my article page
[22:58:20] <lti>	That's a rather broad generalization
[22:58:58] <ZorroIII>	one way is to use an imagemap
[23:00:34] <brianbotkiller>	i mean like basic html - putting an anchor into an image to make it link to an article on my wiki
[23:01:19] <brianbotkiller>	i don't see anything on how to do this on the help page for images 
[23:03:09] <Hojjat>	what do you mean to "embed" a link?
[23:03:13] <brianbotkiller>	ok 
[23:03:21] <brianbotkiller>	if i were writing html, 
[23:03:42] <Hojjat>	brianbotkiller: to use an image: [[Image:blah.jpg]], to "link" to an image: [[:Image:blah.jpg]] (please notice the ":" before Image)
[23:03:45] <brianbotkiller>	i'd use a <href=the link i want to go to> and then <img src=so and so image>
[23:04:30] <brianbotkiller>	so what i'm wondering is how, on media wiki, I can take an image that i've uploaded, and within an article where i place that image, i can make clicking on that image take me to a page other than the information page for that image
[23:05:43] <Hojjat>	oh
[23:05:58] <Hojjat>	so you want to click on an image but be sent to a page other than Image page, right?
[23:06:15] <Hojjat>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempalte:Klick is what you need, I guess
[23:06:28] <brianbotkiller>	yes indeed
[23:06:37] <Hojjat>	it uses imagemaps, so you will need to have them installed on your wiki
[23:06:41] <Hojjat>	!imagemap
[23:06:41] --mwbot--	ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap> for more information.
[23:06:43] <lti>	I used to live in Canada, and they don't actually say "eh" that much, did you know?
[23:08:28] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, thanks for your help yesterday... 
[23:08:39] <Hojjat>	your welcome
[23:08:43] <Hojjat>	is it fixed now?
[23:09:06] <Wiredtape>	Hojjat, yeah.. of course it needs more work, but atleast it doesn't go crazy like yesterday :)
[23:09:39] <Hojjat>	heh
[23:09:40] <lti>	I used to live in Canada, and they don't actually say "eh" that much, did you know?
[23:09:40] <Wiredtape>	lti, eh?
[23:09:40] <lti>	I used to live in Canada, and they don't actually say "eh" that much, did you know?
[23:09:46] <Hojjat>	lti, what's going on!?
[23:09:51] <Wiredtape>	lti, i thought it aye :)
[23:10:00] <Wiredtape>	or eh eh captain ..
[23:10:01] <lti>	I used to live in Canada, and they don't actually say "eh" that much, did you know?
[23:10:02] <AlexSm>	imagemaps and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Click are two DIFFERENT ways to superimpose  link and image
[23:10:39] <Hojjat>	lti: get out of the loop!
[23:10:50] <Wiredtape>	ahh.. :) why would someone make a bot that respondes to eh
[23:10:53] <Wiredtape>	?
[23:11:38] <brianbotkiller>	thnx
[23:11:43] <Hojjat>	you're welcome
[23:14:55] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: eh ;P
[23:15:17] <Hojjat>	MinuteElectron: congrats!
[23:15:37] <MinuteElectron>	thanks
[23:15:52] <Hojjat>	btw, I used to think you already have that access
[23:16:01] <MinuteElectron>	really, :P
[23:29:40] <BrokenArrow>	is Special:import supposed to *not* import some pages? Say I'd want to import MediaWiki:Common.css...
[23:30:13] <Hojjat>	not sure
[23:30:37] <Hojjat>	what do you expect?
[23:31:00] <BrokenArrow>	same as pages in other namespaces. "no page to import" is what I actually get
[23:33:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Trimmed name for Firefox search plugin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12723  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[23:33:05] <lti>	Your drink sounds toxic
[23:33:35] <Hojjat>	now lti is getting on my nerves
[23:34:13] <Hojjat>	JeLuF: you there?
[23:37:20] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, eh!
[23:38:08] *Hojjat 	hats off to Pathoschild
[23:38:18] <emily_>	Is there someone here who can answer some questions on templates?
[23:38:19] <BrokenArrow>	Hojjat: any idea what's going wrong? MediaWiki:Common.css is an exportable page
[23:38:45] *Pathoschild 	waves hello to Hojjat.
[23:38:50] <Random832>	emily_: sure why not
[23:38:55] <Hojjat>	BrokenArrow: I had a rapid glance to the code, but didn't figure why
[23:39:09] <emily_>	I am in an environemnt where we are trying to keep track of hardware information on a wiki. We'd like to be able to enter information, say an IP address, in one spot, and have it change over multiple pages...is that possible? is there a better way?
[23:39:12] <Hojjat>	Maybe you can find something in the docu
[23:39:18] <Hojjat>	or on mediawiki wiki
[23:40:51] <BrokenArrow>	I tried bugzilla, but such generic keywords are unhelpful
[23:40:54] <Duesentrieb>	emily_: you can use templates - beyond that, it's not possible.
[23:41:20] <emily_>	Duesentrieb: would templates be able to do such a thing?
[23:42:07] <Duesentrieb>	emily_: well, yes, if we are just talking about some text that is to be managed in a central place and shown in multiple places. that's what templates are, by definition
[23:42:13] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | emily_
[23:42:13] --mwbot--	emily_: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and HTML Tidy<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[23:43:05] <Wiredtape>	emily_, when you say "enter" - do you mean something that changes frequently? is it a variable...?
[23:43:18] <BrokenArrow>	brion: any known issue about not being able to import in MediaWiki namespace?
[23:43:23] <emily_>	Duesentrieb: ok, so supposing I have a page that has a list of computer names and IP addresses. Can I call it as a template and select only certain ips? like computers that have ips in a certain range or something
[23:43:41] <brion>	BrokenArrow: it probably works but doesn't update the message cache properly
[23:43:48] <emily_>	Wiredtape: Not something that changes *alot*, but when we change the ip address of a computer we don't want to update 10 pages. just one.
[23:43:50] <Duesentrieb>	emily_:  no. you would have to make one template for each ip.
[23:43:55] <Duesentrieb>	or for each range, or whatever
[23:43:56] <lti>	me too
[23:44:49] <emily_>	Duesentrieb: ok, suppose we have a listing of computers, ip addresses, and building they are in. Could we make a page that listed only computer in a certain building with only having to type in the information one time?
[23:45:29] <BrokenArrow>	brion: no sign of the page in its normal place, in the logs or elsewhere. Works ok for other namespaces, and the user has the rights to edit the local copy.
[23:45:32] <Duesentrieb>	that you would usually do with a category.
[23:45:43] <Duesentrieb>	listing stuff that is somehow alike
[23:45:57] <Duesentrieb>	one page per computer, one category per building
[23:46:40] <Duesentrieb>	you could also use the computer-page itself as the template. and "call" specific properties from it. for that, you can again use a (more complex) template...
[23:47:40] <Duesentrieb>	emily_: mediawiki is not built to handle magic lists of stuff - it's muld for manually maintained information. the idea of "wikidata" for this kind of thing has been around for quite long, and there is work being done, but nothing definite. there are also extensions/hacks like dynamic-pagelist and section-inclusion.
[23:48:00] <Duesentrieb>	and lots of magic can be worked using parserfunctiosn - but that's generally a bit tricky
[23:48:33] <brion>	BrokenArrow: odd. poke it in bugzilla for now
[23:48:45] <BrokenArrow>	k !
[23:49:01] <Duesentrieb>	emily_: it helps to *not* try to maintain things *in* lists, but to maintain individual items, and let mediawiki build lists for you (as categories, or using dynamic-pagelist).
[23:49:56] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  +comment (10brion)
[23:50:15] <emily_>	Duesentrieb: ok, so we would have one page for each computer...and then another page would pull the information out dynamically? personally, doing one page for each computer works fine for me-- my only concern is -- if I add a new computer page, would I have to update all the other pages, or would they find it automatically? or would I have a "computer list" page that it could use to know what computer pages exist?
[23:52:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New messages bar should appear above page title, for consistency with other message boxes - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12681  (10brion)
[23:52:20] <Duesentrieb>	category pages would update automatically
[23:52:33] <Duesentrieb>	category pages are however limited to listing the names of the pages in that category
[23:52:45] <Duesentrieb>	dpl (dynamic pagelist) can do a bit more. it's probably your best choice here.
[23:52:54] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[23:52:54] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[23:53:00] <Duesentrieb>	!categories
[23:53:00] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories
[23:54:14] <Duesentrieb>	i havn't used dpl myself really, bit iirc, it can actually treat pages as "records" and extract "fields" from them. so, stuff like "give me the ip field from each page in category foo" should be possible.
[23:54:34] <Duesentrieb>	note however that mediawiki is not built for stuff like this - it's slow!
[23:54:46] <Duesentrieb>	and there may be issues, especially with caching
[23:55:10] <Duesentrieb>	so, if you get into several thousand pages to process... beware.
[23:56:09] <emily_>	Duesentrieb: well, i'd guess probably several hundred at most...we don't have THAT many computers -- and it would only be used by at most 10 people.  and definitely not all at once
[23:56:33] <Duesentrieb>	should work
[23:56:37] <Duesentrieb>	play with it
[23:56:45] <emily_>	well thank you for all your help and suggestions!
[23:56:51] <Duesentrieb>	np
[23:57:09] <emily_>	I'd spent some time reading online but I figured it'd be good to talk with an expert about it rather than go on a wild goose chance
[23:57:40] <Duesentrieb>	the problem with that is identifying and getting hold of an "expert" :)
[23:58:17] <emily_>	so you're suggesting a seperate page for each ocomputer, a category list, and using a dpl to pull the information from the computer list based on what computers are listed in the category page?
[23:58:39] <emily_>	Freenode usually is good about providing experts ;-p.
[23:58:56] <Duesentrieb>	yes. well, one category per criterion you want for listing stuff. 
[23:59:01] <Duesentrieb>	one per building, i assume
[23:59:18] <Wiredtape>	emily_, I would say you should consider semantic mediawiki.. if I understand what you want to do correctly..
[23:59:26] <Duesentrieb>	you'd probably have an "infobox"-like template to be used on the computer-pages
[23:59:32] <Duesentrieb>	dpl can grab "fields" from that
[23:59:59] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: semantic mediawiki's strong point is defining semantic relations between entities - this is not really a requirement here.