[00:29:49] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30368 10/trunk/wap/hawpedia.php: normalize some whitespace so i don't go mad
[00:32:46] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30369 10/trunk/wap/hawpedia.php: 
[00:32:46] <CIA-41>	Guard against PHP whinging with strpos start position out of range.
[00:32:46] <CIA-41>	Was spewing warnings on enwiki 'Main Page'
[00:37:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patroller group inaccessible to stewards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12518  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[01:08:16] <josiah>	anybody here use joomla? or have tried the mediawiki component for joomla?
[01:36:08] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30370 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Parser.php Preprocessor_DOM.php): (log message trimmed)
[01:36:08] <CIA-41>	Fix a regression of bug 4899 due to HHPv2: <h> tags now appear on tree depth levels other than the first. The 4899 aspect is easily fixed by having extractSections() look at the i attribute instead of just counting.
[01:36:08] <CIA-41>	The implications in general are that headings inside properly-closed double
[01:36:08] <CIA-41>	braces will not have section edit links, even where the braces are broken by
[01:36:11] <CIA-41>	invalid title characters and expanded literally to recover the heading.
[01:36:13] <CIA-41>	Respecting such headings as section breaks would run into the same problems as
[01:36:15] <CIA-41>	those discussed w.r.t. LST on wikitech-l -- there's no way to recover the text
[01:41:38] <CIA-41>	03yaron * r30371 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php: Fixed incorrect calls to SMW's getPropertyValues()
[01:53:50] <Monobi>	How can you "translude" (sp?) the mainspace?
[01:56:06] <ggeller>	When editing, what is that format for a link to an url that has spaces in it?
[01:56:38] <alnokta0>	[url desc] ?
[01:57:06] <CharlieHuggard>	do you mean something like {{:Article Name}} Monobi ? 
[01:58:00] <Monobi>	Yeah
[01:58:08] <Monobi>	but I want the text to show up in a similar way to a template
[01:58:26] <ggeller>	I guess I need to use %20 instead of a space.
[01:58:51] <CharlieHuggard>	if it's an article in the main namespace, you just prefix the name with a :
[01:59:23] <Monobi>	Okay.
[02:01:36] <ggeller>	It is a external URL, outside of the wiki.  Thanks.
[02:05:21] <CharlieHuggard>	ggeller, being an external url you'll use %20, If it's a space in the article name on another mediawiki installation, you can use the underscore character 
[02:06:55] <ggeller>	Thanks CharlieHuggard.  I'm starting to get a lot of content on my wiki at wsms.wikiplanet.com.
[02:07:06] <CharlieHuggard>	you can also use interwiki linking and just use the space but that gets rather complicated :)
[02:07:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Weird denial of service attempts using 1 pixel images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12855 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (sco_scam)
[02:07:26] <ggeller>	The wsms stands for "Web Server Maintenance and Security", which was the title of a class I took last year.
[02:08:23] <CharlieHuggard>	cool :) 
[02:09:13] <ggeller>	I need to go back and reformat some of the old pages. When I started I just dove in without knowing anything about mediawiki formatting.
[02:09:36] <alnokta0>	do they really teach that? :P
[02:10:39] <CharlieHuggard>	yes they do... I took a class a few years ago on cybersecurity as part of my undergrad. 
[02:10:41] <ggeller>	By "that" you me web server maintenance and security?
[02:11:10] <alnokta0>	si ggeller 
[02:11:23] <ggeller>	Yes. I even got a certificate and an award for being one of the top contributors to the class.
[02:11:39] <alnokta0>	:)
[02:13:58] <ggeller>	The website for the school is sdccd.edu, but I can't find the class listing.  Maybe because the semester already started?
[02:15:52] <ggeller>	http://www.sdce.edu/bit/cert-off.php#wsms has a short description.
[02:16:46] <ggeller>	http://wsms.wikiplanet.com/html/syllabus.htm is the syllabus for the version of the class I took.
[02:16:47] <MrZ-man>	AaronSchulz: around?
[02:17:48] <SG_azure>	hey all
[02:17:55] <CharlieHuggard>	hello
[02:18:33] <SG_azure>	can someone tell me how to use  non-collapsing whitespace when editing a page
[02:18:49] <SG_azure>	ive been searching high and low 
[02:20:18] <CharlieHuggard>	what do you mean by non-collapsing whitespace? do you mean &nbsp; ? 
[02:24:14] <SG_azure>	ya kinda
[02:24:56] <SG_azure>	like something here                          and over here
[02:25:08] <SG_azure>	with the space inbetween
[02:25:36] <SG_azure>	when I try and add &nbsp; to media wiki I just see it in the page I am editing as text
[02:27:02] <SG_azure>	wait maybe ive been searching high to much and not low enough
[02:27:07] <CharlieHuggard>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Charlie_Huggard/mw/nbsps 
[02:27:14] <SG_azure>	it does werk sorry to bug ya
[02:27:26] <CharlieHuggard>	you could also use a table, or floating rooms
[02:27:29] <CharlieHuggard>	divs
[02:27:34] <CharlieHuggard>	and he left already
[02:28:48] <ggeller>	My, people come and go so quickly here.
[02:29:13] <CharlieHuggard>	definitely seems that way
[02:30:34] <MrZ-man>	AaronSchulz: never mind
[02:31:46] <ggeller>	gotta go She Who Must Be Obeyed approaches.
[02:36:03] <Chaos___>	Sup mediawiki
[02:37:31] <Chaos___>	Who wants to help me figure out why sometimes when I load my Main_Page I get a bunch of SQL in the background
[03:05:39] <CIA-41>	03yaron * r30372 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/languages/SD_Messages.php: German-language updates by Bernhard Krabina
[03:06:03] <CIA-41>	03yaron * r30373 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/INSTALL: New version: 0.3.4
[03:47:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Weird denial of service attempts using 1 pixel images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12855  +comment (10tstarling)
[03:50:23] <G_Crater>	can anyone else not connect to download.wikimedia.org? i've tried from this machine and another (via ssh) and get an unable to connect error
[03:51:59] <alnokta0>	unable to connect
[03:52:53] <G_Crater>	bleh =/
[03:54:54] <alnokta0>	G_Crater) what does that mean? 
[03:56:59] <Random832>	TimStarling: a DoS attempt may not be a bug, but a DoS vulnerability is.
[03:59:26] <G_Crater>	it means that it's a minor annoyance, as i had to find a mirror and an md5/sha1 checksum to make sure i was getting a legit file
[04:01:12] <TimStarling>	Random832: there's no vulnerability
[04:01:40] <TimStarling>	there's just a kid looking for attention
[04:03:05] <Random832>	ok
[04:03:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patroller group inaccessible to stewards - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12518  (10vasilvv)
[04:23:13] <Morbus>	hrm. why don't Image:'s get patrolled !s?
[04:42:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Modify some settings of Russian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12856 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (vasilvv)
[05:12:42] <Chateau>	Hi, I'd like to know how to disable the display of the editor's identity in the History page.
[05:15:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow triple brace substitution on preload templates - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12853  (10dan_the_man)
[05:15:56] <Betacommand>	Chateau: why?
[05:16:37] <Betacommand>	where is the list of available file types for upload?
[05:16:49] <Chateau>	I need the wiki to be anonymous.
[05:22:40] <monzsca>	download.wikimedia.org seems to be down, is there a mirror or other source for 1.11.1?
[06:51:53] <Nineth>	I want to restrict one page from editing by users other than admin. Is it possible?
[06:52:32] <CharlieHuggard>	nineth: protect it 
[06:52:46] <Nineth>	how?
[06:53:15] <Nineth>	yes got it.
[06:53:19] <Nineth>	Thanks. let me do.
[06:54:12] <Nineth>	If I protect a page, will the sub pages under it also become protected?
[06:54:36] <CharlieHuggard>	I don't believe so
[06:55:17] <Nineth>	hmmm... 
[06:55:29] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	it will be if you have extension for that
[06:56:03] <Nineth>	Sasa^Stefanovic: can you tell me which extension is that?
[06:56:32] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hmm, wait
[06:56:52] <Nineth>	Ok
[06:57:50] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Nineth, it's called cascade protection
[06:58:04] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	i'm not sure is this mw feature or it's an extension
[06:58:42] <Nineth>	it is on my wiki also - Cascading protection - protect any pages included in this page
[06:58:48] <Nineth>	so not an extension.. 
[06:58:56] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	so ... you have it, rigth ?
[06:59:22] <Nineth>	yes.
[06:59:28] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	hmm, lol, i see now, you want to protect subpages
[06:59:33] <Nineth>	but it is not working as expected. I am able to edit the inner pages :(
[07:01:55] <CharlieHuggard>	Why are you needing to protect a page and all its subpages? 
[07:02:13] <CharlieHuggard>	(by subpage you mean article/subpage yes?) 
[07:02:42] <Nineth>	This wiki I setup is for an office. Management do not want the employees to edit some areas.
[07:02:56] <Nineth>	the inner pages, I create with [[link]]
[07:03:46] <CharlieHuggard>	You could create a custom namespace, call it "Official"  or something like that, and restrict editing in that namespace to only sysops...
[07:05:15] <CharlieHuggard>	but I don't know if that would meet your requirements
[07:05:47] <CharlieHuggard>	or even how to do it offhand, it's been awhile since I did anything like that 
[07:07:53] <CharlieHuggard>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces , http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection
[07:08:00] <CharlieHuggard>	if you're interested in that route
[07:10:45] <Ricco>	nice, anyone up?
[07:10:47] <Nineth>	Another feature I need is. After Creating a page by some users. I need to display his name and date somewhere in that page. Is it possible?
[07:11:52] <Ricco>	i have a new install, and when I click on a link that does not have a paged existed from it via the standard [[something]] it automatically takes me to the edit page. Is there a way to take me to the search page instead, saying the page does not exist... would you like to create it?
[07:12:24] <Ricco>	it looked like there was a variable $wgGoToEdit in LocalSetttings.php, i set it to false, but it is still taking me directed to a new empty page
[07:12:39] <CharlieHuggard>	I don't know of anything that would do that automatically nineth, but if you train them to put ~~~~ that translates to the username and date. Otherwise you may have to hunt for extensions or write your own
[07:12:57] <Nineth>	Ok.
[07:16:51] <Ricco>	in effect, I am getting this link for pages that don't exist
[07:17:09] <Ricco>	i would like it to exectue just this
[07:17:23] <Ricco>	there must be a variable to set to NOT have it auto create the page, but ask first
[07:18:37] <CharlieHuggard>	ricco: GoToEdit means that if someone types the name of a non-existant article in the search box and clicks Go they'd be taken to the edit screen automatically. Pages aren't actually created until an edit is saved in them.  
[07:18:56] <Ricco>	ok
[07:19:27] <Ricco>	but you understand my question right? I am talking about following a link that does not have an existing page
[07:21:27] <Ricco>	ah... looks like that is how wikipedia handles it too
[07:21:36] <CharlieHuggard>	Yep... I think the idea behind the existing functionality is that if you linked a word or phrase, you intended to make an article for it eventually. otherwise you would link to [[Special:Search/Term|Display]]... I'm not sure how to change that behavior though
[07:21:41] <Ricco>	i will probably have to edit the php file that creates new nodes
[07:22:19] <Ricco>	and look for "&action=edit" where it creates a new node, and just remove that
[07:22:19] <Ricco>	"
[07:22:26] <Ricco>	this is a system for me for note taking
[07:22:29] <Ricco>	i am the only user
[07:22:41] <Ricco>	what I am doing is IF the page does not exist on my system
[07:22:54] <Ricco>	i give myself the ability to jump to wikipedia or make the page
[07:23:03] <Ricco>	when you enter the page from the search box
[07:23:17] <Ricco>	i want the same thing to happen when you are following uncreated links
[07:23:21] <Ricco>	QUESTION there
[07:23:37] <Ricco>	when a link within a page get's executed and the node does not already exist
[07:23:51] <Ricco>	what /incliude/*.php program get's exectued?
[07:24:00] <Chateau1>	Is it possible to delete an article's history?
[07:24:43] <Ricco>	is that PageEdit.php ?
[07:28:06] <CharlieHuggard>	Chateau1: It is possible, they do it on wikipedia when people accidentally/maliciously put personal information into edits. I couldn't tell you how to currently, my hosting provider is being slower than nails...
[07:28:46] <Ricco>	could it be parser.php ?
[07:29:29] <Chateau1>	I've found an article on Wikipedia, but it's not helpful
[07:31:10] <CharlieHuggard>	would this one help: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Removing_embarrassment ? 
[07:31:41] <CIA-41>	03thomasv * r30374 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ProofreadPage.php: changing syntax
[07:32:50] <Chateau1>	okay, problem solved.
[07:33:28] <Chateau1>	you just move the article, then copy the contents to the old location, then delete the moved article.
[07:42:19] <Danny_B>	is there any message which sets the topmost (root) category?
[07:53:41] <CIA-41>	03huji * r30375 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding/updating Persian translations
[08:01:07] <_wooz>	lo
[08:04:31] <Ricco>	I am trying to find which program something is happening in
[08:04:59] <Ricco>	when a page gets written, the html for the links to nodes that exist and don't exist must get written on the fly
[08:05:20] <Ricco>	what program create the URLs that get inserted into the page body?
[08:32:46] <Nineth>	Is there a builtin visiotrs logging system in mediawiki?
[08:36:36] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30376 10/trunk/extensions/CrossNamespaceLinks/ (3 files): 
[08:36:36] <CIA-41>	* use $wgAutoloadClasses and $wgSpecialPages
[08:36:37] <CIA-41>	* use descriptionmsg in extension credits
[08:36:37] <CIA-41>	* delay message loading
[08:36:37] <CIA-41>	* remove eol whitespace
[08:38:25] <CharlieHuggard>	nineth: it'll count the number of times a particular article has been accessed, but I don't believe it logs much more than that out of the box. 
[08:38:47] <Nineth>	Any extension for that?
[08:39:35] <CharlieHuggard>	not that I know of offhand, but I've never needed such functionality so I wouldn't know
[08:43:19] <jons_>	Im working on an extension which adds categories. When I then add an article to that category and browse Special:Categories I end up with duplicates of my category. This is because when I create the category I dont have an article for it and just inserts the name into the database. Is there another way to do it?
[08:47:36] <jons_>	Nevermind, found it.
[09:00:45] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30377 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:00:45] <CIA-41>	Localisation updates German
[09:00:45] <CIA-41>	Make description message more generic
[09:24:17] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30378 10/trunk/extensions/DeletedContributions/ (3 files): 
[09:24:17] <CIA-41>	* use descriptionmsg in extension credits
[09:24:17] <CIA-41>	* remove eol whitespace
[09:24:17] <CIA-41>	* remove an unneeded global $wgHooks
[09:26:05] <CIA-41>	03river * r30379 10/trunk/phase3/skins/modern/ (audio.png document.png video.png): missing images from monobook
[09:28:14] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30380 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:28:14] <CIA-41>	* mark Desysop OBSOLETE
[09:28:14] <CIA-41>	* remove support from Translate
[09:29:26] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) robots.txt -- exclude ro:VfD - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12546  +comment (10bogdan.stancescu)
[09:54:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) PATCH - skins/monobook/main.css - patrollink clear - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12857 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[09:54:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny_b)
[09:56:31] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30381 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/ (4 files): 
[09:56:31] <CIA-41>	* delay message loading
[09:56:31] <CIA-41>	* update extension credits with info from at www.mediawiki.org
[09:56:31] <CIA-41>	* use descriptionmsg
[09:56:54] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30382 10/trunk/extensions/AntiSpoof/ (AntiSpoof.i18n.php AntiSpoof.php): * use descriptionmsg
[09:57:36] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30383 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (Translate.i18n.php Translate.php): 
[09:57:36] <CIA-41>	* use descriptionmsg
[09:57:36] <CIA-41>	* update extension credits
[10:13:44] <Tuxbublin1>	hello there
[10:14:18] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30384 10/trunk/phase3/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-01 11:04 CET)
[10:16:27] <Tuxbublin1>	i'm tightening  my server security by removing executions perms on uneeded binaries. Since then my mediawiki site just print php content page....
[10:16:27] <Tuxbublin1>	Any idea what the code is trying to execute? my php gallery is working fine thus i think that's purely from the mediawiki site?
[10:17:27] <Tuxbublin1>	server logs doesn't help me :(
[10:17:41] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30385 10/trunk/extensions/ (18 files in 13 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-01 11:04 CET)
[10:19:35] <axewell>	hai! the generic fileupload to mwiki. can it be set to save images from other pages in some smooth way?
[10:21:14] <Raymond_>	axewell: what do you mean with "save images from other pages"?
[10:27:24] <axewell>	Raymond_: say i get a image from a blog or a gallery, and i want it saved in the wiki directly without putting it on my desktop and then upload it
[10:27:48] <axewell>	Raymond_: essentially, run a wget from a inputfield ^^
[10:28:05] <Raymond_>	axewell: ah wait... searching..
[10:29:44] <Raymond_>	axewell: set
[10:29:45] <Raymond_>	$wgAllowCopyUploads = true;
[10:29:50] <Raymond_>	into your localSettings.php
[10:30:28] <stef`>	hey guys .. another short question .. is there an extension or an hook available for display the references automatically - if used in the bodytext?
[10:31:26] <axewell>	Raymond_: ohh, to easy, thanks :)
[10:31:36] <Raymond_>	axewell: you are welcome :)
[10:32:38] <Tuxbublin1>	any idea for my problem?
[10:33:18] <Gh0ul>	Hello. The download MediaWiki download server is offline, is there somewhere else to get 1.11.1? I can't find a mirror.
[11:00:35] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30386 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[11:02:10] <Mortable>	is download.wikimedia.org down?
[11:03:34] <Mortable>	I'm getting "Unable to connect, can't establish a connection" in Firefox, Connection refused on wget over ssh to my server
[11:13:00] <domas>	Mortable: is it up now?
[11:13:19] <Mortable>	yep domas :)
[11:13:26] <domas>	good
[11:13:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Special:Whatlinkshere and Special: Recentchangeslinked to robots.txt - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12841   +shell (10ThomasBleher)
[11:20:43] <fishsponge>	Duesentrieb: did you get my email? do you know how i get get t RSS Feed to only have the actual title as the article title, instead of the title followed by a load of unformatted source code content? See http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/Recent_Changes?feed=rss
[11:21:25] <fishsponge>	notice how the main titles all have loads of content after them? i would ideally like "Help:How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki" instead of "Help:How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki - New page: [[Help:Contents|Help]] >> How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki  == Summary ==  To get Google Analytics onto your wiki, you must first have a Google Analytics account, of course! This..." as the title...
[11:21:27] <fishsponge>	is this possible?
[11:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MessagesDe.php: E-mail address confirmation refers to " Wikipedia" instead of {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12858 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (saibot834)
[11:26:32] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) MessagesDe.php: E-mail address confirmation refers to " Wikipedia" instead of {{SITENAME}} - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12858  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:51:07] <PauloZanoni>	is there a way to make a multilanguage sidebar? multilang extension doesn't seem to work =/
[11:51:36] <ZorroIII>	the sidebar is multilingual
[11:51:55] <ZorroIII>	atleast on no.wikipedia.org
[11:52:08] <PauloZanoni>	I added my own links there... how to I specify translation for these links on other languages?
[11:53:10] <CIA-41>	03thomasv * r30387 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/ (ProofreadPage.php proofread.js): default quality is 1
[11:55:08] <ZorroIII>	PauloZanoni: compare http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchanges/en with http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchanges
[12:00:10] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: if I enter en.wikipedia.org and go to "my pfreferences" and change my default language to pt-br, the some words in the menu will still be in English, like "About Wikipedia" and "Donate"
[12:01:17] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: so, if I add some link to my sidebar with words that are not "translated-by-default" on MediaWiki, how to I specify its translation to other languages?
[12:01:46] <ZorroIII>	add a /<language code>
[12:02:14] <ZorroIII>	check how we did it on http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediawiki:Sidebar
[12:03:55] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30388 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/ (SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php SpecialRenameuser.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[12:11:24] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: and how to you tell MediaWiki to use Sidebar/En when the user interface is in English?
[12:14:20] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: ok, I understood! You have to create /wiki/Mediawiki:Yourword and /wiki/Mediawiki:Yourword/code
[12:14:27] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: thanks!
[12:15:48] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: but why does http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar/en exists? is it used?
[12:18:35] <ZorroIII>	PauloZanoni: probably a test
[12:19:39] <PauloZanoni>	ZorroIII: hmmm, thanks!
[12:37:03] <ilm>	hi
[12:37:56] <ilm>	we need some help with the <pre> tag
[12:38:45] <ilm>	the goal is to paste a configuration file into a <pre> (or <code>) and for some keywords have an internal link with more detailed information
[12:39:02] <RoanKattouw>	ilm: <code> is probably better in that case
[12:39:34] <ilm>	but code doesn't generate a nice border around the 'code' ?
[12:39:45] <RoanKattouw_away>	ilm: You can do that in CSS
[12:40:01] <ilm>	right, true :-)
[12:41:08] <ilm>	what's the best highlighting extension ? :-)
[12:44:13] <Isnogud>	!highlight | ilm 
[12:44:13] --mwbot--	ilm: there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[12:44:27] <ilm>	thank you :)
[12:44:44] <ilm>	i found several, including that one. but was a bit unsure what the best one is
[12:44:48] <Isnogud>	np. i have never used them, i don't know whats the best one. if there is any.
[12:45:07] <ilm>	well the most popular one is usually sufficient i suppose
[12:46:35] <ilm>	the only requirement is support for  [[internal link]] in their <source>/<code> tags
[12:54:20] <centosian>	can I use mediawiki with lighthttpd? And, if so, is it likely to lower my memory footprint?
[12:56:56] <ilm>	does lighthttpd supports php ?
[12:58:49] <centosian>	ilm: looking
[12:59:13] <Mortable>	ilm, centosian, I'm certain it does
[12:59:28] <centosian>	ilm: apparenty in lighttpd, php is usually run under fastcgi
[12:59:53] <ilm>	if it is, then mediawiki should run i think
[13:00:04] <centosian>	thi sis the problem I'm trying to solve:  http://rafb.net/p/53j3VN85.html
[13:00:11] <ilm>	the geshi highlighter doesn't support internal links in <source> tag :-(
[13:03:13] <ilm>	change the apache 2 config
[13:03:19] <ilm>	to maximum spawn i threads
[13:03:27] <ilm>	or allow 2 simult connection max
[13:03:35] <ilm>	wild guess, not familiar with that
[13:17:24] <Morbus>	does anyone know if there's a metadata stripper extension for MW?
[13:17:51] <Morbus>	all of the meta data that is being reported is pretty much useless, and i'd prefer to save the 4+ (sometimes 12k+) that something like exiftool can strip.
[13:18:38] <Morbus>	in the absense of that, is there a hook for me to fiddle with the upload BEFORE it gets saved (and thus, hashed)?
[13:27:19] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30389 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesNds.php: Localisation updates for core and extended messages from Betawiki
[13:28:47] <CIA-41>	03rainman * r30390 10/branches/LuceneSearch-ajax/: 
[13:28:47] <CIA-41>	A new branch for LuceneSearch extension for the new daemon:
[13:28:47] <CIA-41>	will add ajax search and make some minor interface improvements.
[13:29:09] <CIA-41>	03rainman * r30391 10/branches/LuceneSearch-ajax/ (5 files): 
[13:29:09] <CIA-41>	Work-in-progress:
[13:29:09] <CIA-41>	* added ajax suggest js, tested/works on firefox 1/1.5/2, ie 6/7,
[13:29:09] <CIA-41>	 opera 9+ (minor problems with arrow keys on opera 8), safari 3
[13:29:10] <CIA-41>	* add support for some of the new daemon result syntax: highlighted
[13:29:12] <CIA-41>	 text and results from sister projects - interface needs more work
[13:29:14] <CIA-41>	* customized everything via css, needs better names
[13:49:33] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	off
[13:52:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups should be replaced by ' noratelimits' right - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12859 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (roan.kattouw)
[13:53:09] *RoanKattouw 	slaps CIA-41
[13:54:28] <jons_>	I'm having a bit of a problem with wgHooks['LoadAllMessages']. I've defined $wgHooks['LoadAllMessages'][] = 'myfunc'.  But "myfunc" never gets called. I've done a die(print_r($wgHooks['LoadAllMessages'])) which lists one of my old functions (which works) and myfunc. What could be the problem?
[13:55:01] <RoanKattouw>	jons_: When are you defining that?
[13:57:21] <jons_>	RoanKattouw: http://rafb.net/p/6XJ9rq48.html
[13:57:52] <RoanKattouw>	jons_: Move the $wgHooks assignment out of the function, right below the $wgExtensionFunctions line
[13:58:07] <RoanKattouw>	Actually you don't even need the $wgExtensionFunctions line or the function
[13:58:34] <RoanKattouw>	Just put the two $wgHooks assignments outside of the function
[14:00:11] <ilm>	i want to modify geshi highlighting to parse internal hooks (geshi is a tag extension). know which $parser functions are available for that ?
[14:00:59] <RoanKattouw>	ilm: What do you mean "parse internal hooks"
[14:01:25] <ilm>	ow, internal links i mean :D
[14:01:26] <ilm>	sorry
[14:01:47] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno, look at the GeSHi code, I'd say
[14:01:55] <ilm>	i'm looking
[14:01:57] <RoanKattouw>	You'd need to do like <source lang="wikitext">
[14:02:06] *RoanKattouw 	pokes CIA-41
[14:03:03] *RoanKattouw 	kicks CIA=41
[14:03:06] *RoanKattouw 	kicks CIA-41
[14:03:11] <ilm>	hmm no, lang="xml" so that geshi highlights properly. But know i want to adapt the render hook to parse all internal links too, i was wondering if there was any core function for doing that
[14:03:26] <RoanKattouw>	No, GeSHi is not in core
[14:03:42] <ilm>	and i can't call the core funcs ?
[14:03:48] <jons_>	RoanKattouw: http://rafb.net/p/vft93x14.html - now it looks like that, but loadAAMessages still never gets called.
[14:04:08] <RoanKattouw>	ilm: Sure you can call them, but you need to modify GeSHi
[14:04:17] <ilm>	well i doing that
[14:04:25] <ilm>	but i don't find a list of the core funcs :D
[14:04:35] <RoanKattouw>	ilm: http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/
[14:04:44] <ilm>	k thanks
[14:04:45] <RoanKattouw>	Most important class in this case would be Parser
[14:05:08] <fishsponge>	Duesentrieb: are you there?
[14:05:27] <RoanKattouw>	jons_: Where did you place the require_once() for this file?
[14:06:19] <jons_>	RoanKattouw: LocalSettings. The input-thing shows up below the editor so everything is fine execept the messages thing.
[14:07:39] <RoanKattouw>	Which version of MediaWiki are you using?
[14:08:39] <RoanKattouw>	jons_: Also, you might want to put your functions in a class or prefix their names; execute() is not the most original function name
[14:08:47] <RoanKattouw>	Nor is buildForm()
[14:09:16] <jons_>	OK. Im running 1.11.1
[14:09:25] <RoanKattouw>	Lemme look up something
[14:10:16] <RoanKattouw>	Well you see the LoadAllMessages hook is deprecated
[14:10:21] <RoanKattouw>	What you have to do is:
[14:10:41] <RoanKattouw>	$wgExtensionMessagesFiles['extensionname'][] = 'filename';
[14:10:52] <RoanKattouw>	Then just before you call wfMsg() you do:
[14:11:00] <RoanKattouw>	wfLoadExtensionMessages('extensionname');
[14:11:11] <RoanKattouw>	Of course the first $wg statement has to go where the $wgHooks assignment is
[14:12:28] <jons_>	OK. Thanks a lot!
[14:14:05] <RoanKattouw>	Not only will this (hopefully) work, it will also load your extension's messages less often (only when they're necessary, rather than always)
[14:25:04] <jons_>	RoanKattouw: It worked like a charm. Thanks again!
[14:25:13] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[14:40:26] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30394 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Removing unused global from User::pingLimiter()
[14:46:58] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30395 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserInfo.php): API: Adding uiprop=ratelimits to meta=userinfo. Note that this option only reveals rate limits applicable to the current user, not the entire $wgRateLimits array.
[14:57:54] <Conny>	Hello, can give me a hinte please, where to activate upload for other filetypes in Mediawiki 1.6.10?
[14:58:11] <Conny>	allow I mean
[15:02:48] <RoanKattouw>	Conny: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[15:03:04] <Conny>	very thank u RoanKattouw!
[15:06:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install more fonts (especially for Unicode) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8898  +comment (10gtisza)
[15:07:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Modify some settings of Russian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12856  (10vasilvv)
[15:12:03] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30396 10/trunk/extensions/AdvancedRandom/ (SpecialAdvancedRandom.i18n.php SpecialAdvancedRandom.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[15:18:17] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:22:59] <Axman>	howdy - is it possible to have a page of wiki/index.php/mynewpage .. but to have a title of "This is my new cool page" ?
[15:24:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &action= raw to allow the raw for just a named section to be returned - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12503  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:25:00] <RoanKattouw>	!mainpage | Axman
[15:25:00] --mwbot--	Axman: To change which page is the "main page" of your wiki, edit MediaWiki:Mainpage. 
[15:25:35] <Axman>	That wasn't the question
[15:26:04] <RoanKattouw>	Oh sorry read a little too quickly
[15:26:17] <psymin>	but that is handy info to know :)
[15:26:20] <RoanKattouw>	Well you can make [[Mynewpage]] a redirect to [[This is my new cool page]]
[15:27:03] <Axman>	I suppose i could hide the page titles and just enter my own on each page too
[15:27:24] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm that's a lot of work for such a simple thing
[15:27:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install more fonts (especially for Unicode) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8898  (10moyogo)
[15:27:53] <Axman>	the goal is to have a short name for the url address, and a longer more descriptive title for the actual page
[15:28:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Limiting sitemap items by namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12860 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[15:33:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) action=render should support section parameter ( and perhaps action=view should too) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12861 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (roan.kattouw)
[15:33:18] <RoanKattouw>	Azman: Use redirects
[15:33:32] <RoanKattouw>	Create [[shortname]] with content #REDIRECT[[This is a very long name]]
[15:38:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't regenerate sitemap files if nothing changed - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12862 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[15:43:46] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30397 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (210 files in 14 dirs): WARNING HUGE COMMIT: ApiEdit_Vodafone: svnmerge latest revisions from trunk
[15:53:36] <RagonichaFulva>	hello everyone
[15:53:59] <RagonichaFulva>	could someone tell me how to know which version of mediawiki I might be sing?
[15:54:03] <RagonichaFulva>	using
[15:56:41] <RagonichaFulva>	No one? :D
[15:56:55] <Dashiva>	Special:Version
[15:57:44] <RagonichaFulva>	oh
[15:57:49] <RagonichaFulva>	thank you Dashiva
[15:57:59] <RagonichaFulva>	thanks indeed
[15:58:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups should be replaced by 'noratelimits ' right - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12859  (10huji.huji)
[15:58:24] <anderbubble>	is it possible to define actions for when users are created? (like a notification mail)
[16:00:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=render should support section parameter ( and perhaps action=view should too) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12861  (10huji.huji)
[16:02:29] <RagonichaFulva>	I know this might be a silly question, but sysops means the administrator of the wiki?
[16:02:52] <TimLaqua_>	by default, ya
[16:04:24] <RagonichaFulva>	does that mean that if someone wants to register through sysops I receive an e-mil notifying it to me?
[16:08:02] <RagonichaFulva>	which document must I modify to make user registration restrictions?
[16:08:29] <RagonichaFulva>	I am looking in Localsettings.php
[16:08:41] <RagonichaFulva>	but I don't see "$wgGroupPermissions"
[16:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH - skins/monobook/main.css - patrollink clear - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12857  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:22:56] <AzaTht>	anyone think it could be simple to make simething similar to imagemap, but with the abillity to add images in it?
[16:25:59] <Raymond_>	AzaTht: something like http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 ?
[16:27:03] <AzaTht>	yea
[16:45:23] <JediMaster>	Is it possible to only allow one (or a group of) user to edit particular pages? And is it possible to lock the whole wiki as read only temporarly?
[16:54:39] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30398 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Localisation updates German
[16:54:44] <enhydra>	!rights | JediMaster
[16:54:44] --mwbot--	JediMaster: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[16:54:54] <JediMaster>	ta
[16:55:21] <enhydra>	the best way to lock the wiki is to lock the database (as Wikimedia devs do) :)
[16:56:22] <domas>	nobody locks the database
[16:56:28] <domas>	there's $wgReadonly=... we use
[17:10:10] <PauloZanoni>	MediaWiki:Whatlinkshere/pt-br should be "Artigos Relacionados", not "Artigos Relacionado". Should I post this to the bugzilla?
[17:11:34] <Morbus>	is there anyway to /stop/ the display of metadata information on Image: pages?
[17:11:44] <Dashiva>	You could display:none it
[17:13:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install more fonts (especially for Unicode) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8898  (10dan_the_man)
[17:13:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgRateLimitsExcludedGroups should be replaced by 'noratelimits ' right - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12859  (10dan_the_man)
[17:14:44] <Morbus>	Dashiva: I can't stop the display of all of it. I can stop the Metadata ID, and the table, but not the <p> that expplains what it is.
[17:17:17] <fishsponge>	Duesentrieb: are you there?
[17:17:32] <fishsponge>	do you know how i get get t RSS Feed to only have the actual title as the article title, instead of the title followed by a load of unformatted source code content? See http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/Recent_Changes?feed=rss
[17:17:36] <fishsponge>	notice how the main titles all have loads of content after them? i would ideally like "Help:How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki" instead of "Help:How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki - New page: [[Help:Contents|Help]] >> How to Get Google Analytics Onto Your Wiki  == Summary ==  To get Google Analytics onto your wiki, you must first have a Google Analytics account, of course! This..." as the title...
[17:17:37] <fishsponge>	is this possible?
[17:34:48] <Morbus>	!wgShowEXIF
[17:34:48] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "wgshowexif".
[17:35:04] <Jack_Phoenix>	!m wgShowEXIF
[17:35:04] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "m". You might try: !centralauth !config !csshideheader !displaytitle !errors !extensions !feeds !help !highlight !imagelink !info !networkauth !package !rewriteproblems !rights !shell !smtp !subversion !threads !wikibugs 
[17:35:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	bah!
[17:35:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) modernskin .usermessage - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12863 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (random832)
[17:35:19] <Morbus>	Dashiva: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowEXIF 
[17:35:19] <Morbus>	hopefully :)
[17:35:20] *Jack_Phoenix 	kicks mwbot
[17:36:37] <Morbus>	yeah, that works.
[17:36:39] <Morbus>	woot.
[17:38:22] <bango>	i want pictures to be in a certain format and if the original picture does not meet this format i want them to be formatted automatically.
[17:40:11] <bango>	because some pictures dont fix in my layout...
[17:56:50] <TimMc>	I've got an old version of mediawiki (1.3.10) that I want to upgrade. 
[17:57:12] <TimMc>	It seems that 1.11 can't handle *that* old a version.
[17:57:37] <TimMc>	How can I find out what the latest version is that can upgrade directly from 1.3?
[18:07:35] <CIA-41>	03tlaqua * r30399 10/trunk/extensions/Icon/Icon.php: * Adding support for external URLs
[18:09:02] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[18:12:12] <Morbus>	anyone know if image renaming is gonna be part of the next mediawiki release? i see it's in core now, but disabled.
[18:13:58] <CIA-41>	03tlaqua * r30400 10/trunk/extensions/Icon/Icon.php: * adding iconlink class to all generated links
[18:18:59] *TimLaqua_ 	pets mwbot
[18:19:08] <TimLaqua_>	'tis a sensitive bot
[18:21:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please allow imports from ptwp to dewp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12864 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (DaB.)
[18:35:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Modify some settings of Russian Wikibooks - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12856  +comment (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[18:39:06] <H31nz>	Hello @all
[18:39:34] <H31nz>	i instaled my first mediawiki a few days ago and see always an error message on the top
[18:40:05] <H31nz>	2
[18:40:06] <H31nz>	Notice: unserialize() [function.unserialize]: Error at offset 0 of 349 bytes in /home/h1moodle/public_html/wiki/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 39
[18:40:19] <H31nz>	who can give me a tip?
[18:45:03] <Morbus>	brion: ping. can i ask you an annoying question about HEAD and "when's <this> gonna be ready"?
[18:45:11] <brion>	sure!
[18:45:15] <Morbus>	yay! ;)
[18:45:23] <brion>	that's why they pay me the big bucks
[18:46:07] <Adylass>	Hello ! I try to migrate my mediawiki install 1.3.11 to current. Up to now, most things works but I do have may images files in my wiki. Even when I copy the images folder, they seems to be not found by the wiki. How I can correct this ?
[18:46:24] <Morbus>	so, ticket 709 is the "move Image:s in core". of late, it's had a flurry of comments as, apparently, the functionality is now in core (due to some backend image framework rewrites), but disabled. i was wondering: a) what's stopping it from being enabled, and b) how would I, a lonely asshat with a lot of images, help test it, if at all?
[18:46:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create Hungarian Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12865 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Gerard.meijssen)
[18:50:24] <RagonichaFulva>	Hi everyone
[18:50:24] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create Hungarian Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12865  (10nbuda)
[18:50:47] <qsheets>	I'm getting an error with the MultiUpload function
[18:50:49] <Morbus>	brion ^
[18:51:35] <brion>	there's no image rename functionality in core
[18:51:39] <brion>	unless it was added in the last several hours
[18:51:47] <Morbus>	!709
[18:51:47] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "709".
[18:51:50] <brion>	there is some image *redirect* stuff, which i'm still a bit leery of
[18:51:53] <RagonichaFulva>	Any one can tell me how to make a shortcut so I can do this "[[w:idioma español|español]]" and that the link gets me to "http://es.wikipedia.org/español"?
[18:51:59] <Morbus>	brion: ah. ok.
[18:52:08] <Morbus>	brion: so, you're leery about image renaming then, too?
[18:52:24] <Morbus>	literal file renaming.
[18:52:39] <qsheets>	... and it is at the very end of the code... :(
[18:54:17] <Morbus>	brion: i'd really like a /file renaming/ thingy, but 709 seems mostly "no one work on this cos we won't accept it". so i've been running around trying to decide if i should make a hackish plugin for it (with no-respect to redirects or history)
[18:54:22] <Morbus>	or if i should attempt a Commons MediaMoveBot, which apparently sorta kinda works but maybe not.
[18:55:23] <Morbus>	i am 100% sure that i know little enough of core to attempt such a thing in a patch-worthy release state, thus the extension hack.
[18:55:34] <Morbus>	hell, i barely know anything about extensions ;)
[18:56:44] <VasilievVV>	Morbus: use
[18:56:48] <VasilievVV>	!bug 709
[18:56:48] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709
[18:56:53] <Morbus>	thanks.
[18:57:00] <Morbus>	what's the prefix for settings?
[18:57:06] <Morbus>	i failed earlier on wgShowEXIF too.
[18:57:11] <VasilievVV>	!wg ShowEXIF
[18:57:11] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgShowEXIF
[18:57:21] <RoanKattouw>	Cool, I didn't know that one
[18:58:09] <VasilievVV>	@search `e1
[18:58:09] --mwbot--	Results: [b, class, e, ext, info, man, mw, pdhelp, r, w]
[18:58:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create Hungarian Wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12865  (10adam.brookes)
[19:00:29] <qsheets>	brion: any help... I'm getting the error: "Fatal Error: Call to a member function getTitle() on a non-object in /home/website/public_html/extensions/MultiUpload/SpecialMultiUpload.php on line 472"
[19:01:28] <siebrand>	qsheets: that's probably not something you should both b-rion with...
[19:01:39] <RoanKattouw>	Hey guys does anyone know of a tool that tracks how memcached is doing?
[19:01:42] <VasilievVV>	brion: what's that image backend rewriting that everybody talks about
[19:01:44] <VasilievVV>	?
[19:01:46] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: I'll look into it
[19:01:54] <qsheets>	thx RoanKattouw 
[19:02:11] <siebrand>	VasilievVV: bug 709 iirc...
[19:02:15] <Morbus>	y
[19:02:29] <VasilievVV>	siebrand: bug 709 is image moving
[19:02:49] <Morbus>	there are comments in the middle of it all about a image backend rewrite
[19:03:16] <brion>	qsheets: sounds like a buggy extension :)
[19:03:22] <qsheets>	lol
[19:03:38] *qsheets 	blames travis
[19:03:51] <brion>	the band?
[19:04:11] <qsheets>	no, the last editor of it
[19:04:17] <brion>	Morbus: a not-quite-done redo of the image file storage to use unique hash-based backend filenames
[19:04:24] <brion>	this would make multiple alias names absolutely trivial
[19:04:36] <brion>	as well as making it much much much much much easier to maintain file upload mirrors
[19:04:49] <dungodung>	brion: I just watched your april 28, 2006 google techtalk
[19:04:56] <VasilievVV>	I found nothing about image backend anywhere except in bug 709
[19:05:05] <brion>	but that's not happened so far. more of the middle-tier code has been redone, and could support that, but the backend's the same so far
[19:05:17] <brion>	yeah see my various presentations on those plans
[19:05:23] <brion>	from boston & google at least
[19:05:45] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: What did you do in order to get that error message?
[19:05:51] *qsheets 	searches his brain for the footage
[19:06:06] <qsheets>	RoanKattouw: upload 3 files
[19:06:12] <RoanKattouw>	OK, I'll try
[19:06:18] <RoanKattouw>	It's spewing lots of PHP warnings though
[19:06:24] <RoanKattouw>	Looks like the code is bad overall
[19:09:24] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30401 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Pedantically set some mime types, not that it'll make any difference :)
[19:09:36] <Isnogud>	Why has this image renaming stuff to be done with redirects? Why don't you just make links? 
[19:11:23] <Fr3d>	is there a way of installing mediawiki using command line on linux? the /config/index.php file gives "internal server error" after filling in details and clicking "install MW". i know MW works on my server as an old version is installed already.
[19:11:24] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: Did you do any other special stuff? Change the file names? Provide summaries?
[19:11:36] <VasilievVV>	brion: btw, why do you leery of image redirects mechanism?
[19:11:53] <RoanKattouw>	Fr3d: Can you look at your error_log to see what caused the internal server error?
[19:11:59] <brion>	i'm just naturally suspicious :)
[19:12:07] <Fr3d>	RoanKattouw, yup:
[19:12:08] <Fr3d>	2008-02-01 19:09:23: (mod_fastcgi.c.2462) unexpected end-of-file (perhaps the fastcgi process died): pid: 23014 socket:           unix:/tmp/php.socket-0
[19:12:08] <Fr3d>	2008-02-01 19:09:23: (mod_fastcgi.c.3254) response not received, request sent: 1954 on socket: unix:/tmp/php.socket-0 fo          r /wiki/config/index.php , closing connection
[19:12:26] <RoanKattouw>	Fr3d: Maybe you need to raise PHP's memory limit in php.ini
[19:12:26] <Isnogud>	ah. got it. windows does not support it.
[19:12:40] <Fr3d>	from the index.php: PHP's memory_limit is 134217728.
[19:12:52] <Fr3d>	i'm also using xcache if it makes any diff.
[19:12:55] <RoanKattouw>	index.php?
[19:13:02] <Fr3d>	/config/index.php
[19:13:07] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[19:13:11] <RoanKattouw>	Well 134M should be enough
[19:13:22] <siebrand>	svn props. What a joy.
[19:13:27] <RoanKattouw>	Err maybe set display_errors = On in php.ini and  see what happens?
[19:13:39] <Fr3d>	they are already set on
[19:13:51] <qsheets>	RoanKattouw: nope...
[19:14:03] <RoanKattouw>	brion: I'm exposing rate limits in the API now, only the current user's limits. Is that fine by you or do you consider it a security leak or something?
[19:14:04] <dungodung>	hi jtsage 
[19:14:11] <jtsage>	hello :)
[19:14:29] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: Error message confirmed
[19:14:29] <brion>	i'd consider that potentially a security leak
[19:14:54] <RoanKattouw>	How?
[19:14:56] <jtsage>	i do have a question regarding the setup of mw.  I am curious if it is (easily) possible to use the setting of a users real name in special:Listusers and in the listing of page revisions...
[19:14:56] <qsheets>	RoanKattouw: I just read the extension page and did what it said to do to SpecialUpload.php and now i get a MySQL error
[19:15:12] <RoanKattouw>	What? You need to change SpecialUpload.php?
[19:15:19] <RoanKattouw>	!e MultiUpload
[19:15:19] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiUpload
[19:15:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	ya
[19:15:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	multiupload is kinda nasty hack :/
[19:15:34] <qsheets>	it's wierd
[19:16:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	If you are using Mediawiki 1.11 change the line that calls the UploadComplete hook (around line 447) in SpecialUpload.php from: wfRunHooks( 'UploadComplete', array( &$img ) );
[19:16:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	 to wfRunHooks( 'UploadComplete', array( &$this ) );
[19:16:15] <RoanKattouw>	I saw that
[19:16:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	and it still doesn't work /quite/ properly...annoying
[19:16:20] <VasilievVV>	brion: what about moving Special:Filepath to core?
[19:16:30] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Why is exposing the current user's limit a potential security leak?
[19:16:33] <brion>	VasilievVV: yeah, i meant to do that years ago
[19:16:44] <Fr3d>	RoanKattouw: hmm it worked without xcache
[19:16:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	the license template is added, but summaries are not...multiupload really needs fixing :)
[19:17:02] <Fr3d>	php-fcgi & lighttpd btw
[19:17:03] <brion>	RoanKattouw: we may prefer not to let attackers know the exact minimum time before their next attack :)
[19:17:17] <brion>	they could also be randomized etc (eg in future)
[19:17:33] <RoanKattouw>	brion: True, but on the other hand bots would like to know how fast they can edit
[19:17:55] <RoanKattouw>	Also, I can just flood a server with requests and count how many it accepts before I get a 500
[19:17:56] <brion>	we have to treat all bots as potentially dangerous
[19:18:27] *AaronSchulz 	cowards in the corner
[19:18:48] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: Working for me with latest SVN
[19:19:06] <RoanKattouw>	Or wait, I fixed a thing or two
[19:19:10] <RoanKattouw>	I'll commit my fixes to SVN
[19:19:41] <qsheets>	thx
[19:20:30] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30402 10/trunk/extensions/MultiUpload/SpecialMultipleUpload.php: MultiUpload: Fixing some E_NOTICEs
[19:21:01] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: There you are. svn update to this rev and it should all work fine
[19:21:11] <qsheets>	thx
[19:22:25] <brion>	RoanKattouw: the general issue is that even if we want to tell it its limits, we may be unable to.
[19:22:36] <brion>	the limits may be randomized, may involve multiple different security extensions, etc
[19:22:45] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: Can't we just change the UploadComplete hook to match what MultiUpload wants? It's the only ext using the hook (the only one on MediaWiki.org anyway)
[19:22:55] <RoanKattouw>	brion: True
[19:22:57] <brion>	there may be no firm "limit" at all, it may vary organically depending on circumstances
[19:23:11] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: you're the dev, so you tell me :)
[19:23:18] <RoanKattouw>	Alright
[19:23:23] <brion>	sane clients should probably just start with a sane rate and do an exponential backoff if they hit a snag
[19:23:30] <RoanKattouw>	Sounds like a good idea
[19:24:05] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: I'll add it and change MultiUpload a litte
[19:24:07] <RoanKattouw>	*little
[19:24:23] <Jack_Phoenix>	cool :-)
[19:24:57] <qsheets>	RoanKattouw: why am i still getting an error?
[19:25:14] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: I'm not; svn update both trunk and extensions to 30402
[19:25:27] <RoanKattouw>	Or are you getting an SQL error?
[19:25:31] <qsheets>	SQL
[19:25:32] <wyth>	Howdy.  Are there any updated tutorials out there for short URL's on MediaWiki 1.11?  The current tutorial at mediawiki.org doesn't really address the login issues nor the loss of css skin after you set the short URL the Wikipedia way.
[19:25:38] <RoanKattouw>	In that case, run maintenance/update.php
[19:25:52] <RoanKattouw>	wyth: You should change some paths in LocalSettings.php
[19:25:54] *qsheets 	doesn't have terminal
[19:26:13] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: DB access? Like phpMyAdmin?
[19:26:20] <qsheets>	PMA
[19:27:22] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30403 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: Changing UploadComplete hook call so it actually does what the docs say it does. Previous behavior made no sense whatsoever.
[19:27:47] <RoanKattouw>	qsheets: Then import maintenance/tables.sql
[19:27:58] <qsheets>	kk
[19:28:12] <wyth>	Hi RoanLattouuw.  I followed everything at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Short_URL#Guide.  It gives me the short urls, but there's no more skin, and when I try to log in, I get the index.php page.  I've found a few different pages covering these issues, but they've offered various responses to the problem, and I'm looking for a tutorial that is more up to date
[19:29:57] <H31nz>	brion: Hi!
[19:30:50] <RoanKattouw>	wyth: I don't know whether there is one; you should change the appropriate paths in LocalSettings.php
[19:30:55] <RoanKattouw>	$wgSkinPath or whatever it's called
[19:31:00] <RoanKattouw>	$wgScriptPath, etc.
[19:31:55] <H31nz>	brion: I installed my first mediawiki a few days ago and notice an notice:
[19:32:14] <wyth>	I've also added Alias /wiki/skins "/path/to/wiki/skins" in the httpd.conf, but it doesn't seem to take -- okay, catching up with what was just posted  
[19:32:28] <H31nz>	Notice: unserialize() [function.unserialize]: Error at offset 0 of 349 bytes in /home/h1moodle/public_html/wiki/includes/BagOStuff.php on line 39
[19:33:37] <wyth>	yep, both the $wgStylePath and $wgScriptPath are pointing to /wiki/skins and /wiki
[19:33:59] <wyth>	has anyone encountered that problem who was able to fix it?
[19:34:17] <Wiredtape>	i'm going crazy with svk.. anyone know it?
[19:35:52] <H31nz>	brion: ?
[19:36:14] <brion>	H31nz: are you on postgresql or mysql?
[19:36:29] <H31nz>	hi, i use postgresql
[19:36:41] <qsheets>	RoanKattouw: new error... it won't rename the files
[19:36:43] <brion>	yeah i believe there are issues with pg :)
[19:36:54] <brion>	try updating to current svn trunk instead of the last release, see if that helps
[19:37:00] <brion>	also clear whatever's in the objectcache table already
[19:37:12] <H31nz>	it's my first installaltion, please apologize my bad english i live in germany ;-)
[19:37:45] <H31nz>	hmm?
[19:37:46] <brion>	kein Problem :D
[19:38:00] <H31nz>	where do you live?
[19:38:09] <brion>	san francisco
[19:38:12] <brion>	nice when it's not raining
[19:38:20] <H31nz>	:-)
[19:38:38] <H31nz>	how can i look what's in the objectcache table
[19:41:45] <brion>	select * from objectcache? :)
[19:42:21] <dungodung>	with a limit maybe? :)
[19:44:48] <bopfer>	I am having problems behind a reverse proxy.  My external url is http://wiki.foobar.com:10080/ which is proxied  to http://www.foobar.net:10084/...
[19:44:50] <Joseto>	Hola
[19:44:55] <Joseto>	Speak Spanish?
[19:45:05] <bopfer>	I set $wgServer = "http://wiki.foobar.com:11080", but it keeps redirecting to the internal url
[19:45:13] <jtsage>	hmm, not trying to pester, but i suspect my question was lost in the scrolling discussion.  i'd like to force the userlist, and the page history lists to display the users real name instead of the userid - is this possible without taking a huge db hit?  or even possible at all?
[19:46:01] <bopfer>	actually if I go to http://wiki.foobar.com:11080/index.php/Main_Page, it will constantly redirect to: http://wiki.foobar.com:11080/index.php/Main_Page
[19:46:08] <Joseto>	Speak Spanish?
[19:46:10] <bopfer>	any tips?
[19:47:28] <Joseto>	Multiple Choices
[19:47:28] <Joseto>	The document name you requested (/config/index.php) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested.
[19:47:28] <Joseto>	Available documents:
[19:47:28] <Joseto>	* /config/index.html (common basename)
[19:47:28] <Joseto>	Please consider informing the owner of the referring page about the broken link.
[19:47:34] <Joseto>	Why is the problem? :s
[19:49:22] <H31nz>	brion: is there a way to download from trunk without installing svn?
[19:50:16] <brion>	not conveniently :)
[19:53:05] <Joseto>	brion
[19:53:13] <Joseto>	what is my problem?
[19:53:22] <Joseto>	The document name you requested (/config/index.php) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested.
[19:53:22] <Joseto>	Available documents:
[19:53:22] <Joseto>	* /config/index.html (common basename)
[19:53:22] <Joseto>	Please consider informing the owner of the referring page about the broken link.
[19:53:23] <Joseto>	:s
[19:53:30] <MinuteElectron>	!repeat | Joseto 
[19:53:30] --mwbot--	Joseto: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[19:53:40] <MinuteElectron>	Joseto: Probably a server configuration issue.
[19:55:27] <Joseto>	MinuteElectron : since I resolve?
[19:55:54] <MinuteElectron>	what//
[19:56:42] <Joseto>	How I solve the problem
[19:56:44] <Joseto>	¡
[19:56:45] <Joseto>	?
[19:57:36] <HenrikBast>	hey wikipeople... anyone there can help me with a... maby basic setup error...  - Could not copy file from "/tmp/php4wlSL3" to "temp/20080201195322!Bark.jpg".
[19:57:36] <MinuteElectron>	I don't know, but maybe someone else does.
[20:02:08] <Isnogud>	HenrikBast: What have you tried to do? When does this error occur?
[20:03:03] <HenrikBast>	Isnogud: In the the LocalSettings.php i have set $wgEnableUploads       = true;
[20:03:44] <HenrikBast>	and the made the "images" dir writeable
[20:04:05] <HenrikBast>	thats all
[20:05:11] <RoanKattouw_away>	bopfer: Check $wgArticlePath and $wgScriptPath
[20:05:17] <RoanKattouw_away>	They might still reference the old port
[20:05:33] <CIA-41>	03vasilievvv * r30404 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge Special:Filepath to the core
[20:06:03] <Isnogud>	HenrikBast: How did you change the images permissions?
[20:06:27] <calmond>	freenode newbie here looking for howto sources for MW activity monitoring - setting up and monitoring page level/site level activity counters...
[20:06:51] <calmond>	not having much luck via google
[20:06:57] <AzaTht>	Tim-away: really away?
[20:07:30] <aleichem>	on nl: there are no recent changes 
[20:07:54] <aleichem>	en: neither?
[20:08:30] <HenrikBast>	Isnogud: How do i change it? I opened the localsettings.php in dreamweaver, and just change it from false to true
[20:09:04] <HenrikBast>	i loaded the file from my server
[20:09:07] <Isnogud>	You need to set the Permission for the webserver to write to the images directory in the wiki root folder.
[20:09:43] <aleichem>	they're back again - tnx
[20:10:08] <Isnogud>	HenrikBast: well, connect to your server with a ftp client and give www-data or whatever user the webserver runs with write access.
[20:10:43] <calmond>	re my last question re counters - found this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_edit_counters
[20:12:01] <Joseto>	Do someone know which is my problem?
[20:13:15] <Joseto>	"The document name you requested (/config/index.php) could not be found on this server..."
[20:13:53] <Isnogud>	HenrikBast: Depends on your client how this may be done. If you are familiar with typing commands in the ftp client: the command chmod is your frien.
[20:14:17] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30405 10/trunk/extensions/BoardVote/ (4 files): Revert r30381; breaks all special pages on Wikimedia (with BOARDVOTE_REDIRECT_ONLY set)
[20:18:49] <Joseto>	Isnogud : Do you know how to solve my problem?
[20:24:49] <Isnogud>	Joseto: looks like you try to access a document that is not found on your server.
[20:25:38] <Isnogud>	Joseto: /config/index.php looks wrong. there need to be the wiki folder also, i would guess.
[20:26:10] <Isnogud>	Joseto: http://'servername.tld/'wikipath/config/index.php
[20:26:18] <Isnogud>	afk
[20:26:35] <Joseto>	Isnogud
[20:26:56] <calmond>	looking for activity counter tools for mediawiki - links anyone?
[20:27:01] <Joseto>	The folder config is raised, as well as two files. Which is the problem?: (
[20:30:21] <Joseto>	MediaWiki is installed in "/" and in the folder "config" there are two files (index.php and index.php5). Which is the problem?
[20:38:18] <calmond>	looking for activity counter tools for mediawiki - links anyone?
[20:38:27] <TimLaqua>	what sort of activity?
[20:39:00] <calmond>	total site visits - page hits, page edits, maybe page hits and edits agregated by category
[20:39:24] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30406 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialBlockip.php: Work around {{urlencode:$1}} breakage in blockipsuccesstext (as on en.wikipedia.org) by doing parsing and message transform in one step.
[20:39:30] <TimLaqua>	sql is your friend
[20:39:44] <calmond>	I have to produce reports for execs on internal MW deployment usage patterns - in a large enterprise
[20:40:44] <calmond>	re SQL - maybe someone somewhere as documented basic set of site statistic queries?
[20:41:03] <calmond>	I'm not a MW hacker - will have to bootstrap on this\
[20:41:39] <HenrikBast>	Is
[20:42:23] <TimLaqua>	calmond: i'll throw some queries together for you - the items you mentioned above are the exact stats you want?
[20:42:30] <MZMcBride>	any way to get a whatlinkshere kind of thing from the API?
[20:43:02] <calmond>	TimLaqua - fantastic - those are exact ones to start with yes
[20:44:18] <HenrikBast>	Isnogud: Okay... I have now fixed the problem.. somehow i the server dident allow me to change the settings on the standard images/temp folder... so i delete it, and made a new and the change the settings... wupti... great... thangs for your replay!..
[20:45:03] <RoanKattouw>	MZMcBride: list=backlinks
[20:46:02] <MZMcBride>	does that work for transclusions, though?
[20:46:14] <RoanKattouw>	No, those are in list=embeddedin
[20:46:20] <MZMcBride>	ah, thanks
[20:46:28] <RoanKattouw>	You can use both at once with list=backlinks|embeddedin
[20:46:51] <RoanKattouw>	!man Database layout | calmond
[20:46:51] --mwbot--	calmond: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database
[20:46:56] <RoanKattouw>	Shit
[20:47:03] <RoanKattouw>	!man Database_layout | calmond
[20:47:03] --mwbot--	calmond: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Database_layout
[20:47:34] <calmond>	thx mwbot - looking at that page now
[20:48:21] <RoanKattouw>	calmond: Also look at the image
[20:51:51] <TimLaqua>	calmond: http://rafb.net/p/99Z7z313.html
[20:52:35] <TimLaqua>	for total edits, just count(1) from revision - for views, sum(page_counter) from page
[20:54:24] <calmond>	TimLaqua: thanks! - looking now :-)
[20:56:52] <lleoliveira>	HI aaron
[20:57:31] <lleoliveira>	is ir=t possible to revisions that was not approved by sysop be hidden
[20:57:51] <lleoliveira>	and waiting sysop approval
[20:58:07] <lleoliveira>	the same thing for articles creating
[20:58:20] <lleoliveira>	is it possible?
[20:59:34] <lleoliveira>	Olá Paulo
[20:59:41] <lleoliveira>	Are you from Brazil
[21:00:51] <ThomasV>	is it possible to disable section editing in a custom namespace ?
[21:04:02] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: is there any plans about enable section grabbing as revisions?
[21:05:26] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: also, there are some redirect parameters that are marked as "not implemented", any ETA on them?
[21:05:52] <AzaTht>	blredirect, iuredirect and eiredirect
[21:06:16] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: also, one really important thing you MUST fix asap:
[21:06:19] <AzaTht>	   This API is being implemented by Yuri Astrakhan [[User:Yurik]] / <Firstname><Lastname>@gmail.com
[21:13:44] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: lol @ that last one
[21:13:56] <RoanKattouw>	I guess I'm API lead dev now
[21:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	Andway, I'll look at blredirect (iu,ei,bl are one module internally)
[21:14:28] <RoanKattouw>	*Anyway
[21:15:07] <RoanKattouw>	ThomasV: No
[21:15:34] <RoanKattouw>	lleoliveira: If you're looking for that stuff, don't use MediaWiki, it's not suitable for that
[21:15:44] <ThomasV>	RoanKattouw: thanks
[21:15:49] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Section grabbing is available through action=raw
[21:16:06] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: in the api?
[21:16:17] <RoanKattouw>	No, index.php
[21:16:40] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&title=Byte&section=2
[21:16:47] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: that I know
[21:16:57] *AzaTht 	want to use the api only!!!
[21:17:18] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm I can look at doing rvsection
[21:17:21] *RoanKattouw 	opens TODO list
[21:17:30] <RoanKattouw>	Perhaps I should rename todo.txt to AzaTht.txt
[21:17:34] <AzaTht>	and eventaully, a possibillity to grab a section from a previous rev
[21:17:39] <AzaTht>	hehe
[21:17:58] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: I can probably do that, but only by number
[21:18:04] <AzaTht>	yea
[21:18:07] <RoanKattouw>	And section numbers change as sections are inserted/removed
[21:18:13] <AzaTht>	that I know
[21:18:38] <AzaTht>	but still it can be useful
[21:18:41] <RoanKattouw>	True
[21:18:51] <fishsponge_>	hey people - does anyone here use Duesentrieb's "News" extension for RSS Feeds?
[21:18:57] <RoanKattouw>	In a limited fashion, but still useful
[21:19:11] <AzaTht>	and when edit api is full and running, you really want to be able to grab a section via the api
[21:19:41] <fishsponge_>	i need to know how he did on his web site (i.e. having the title of each feed entry as just the title, instead of the title with a load of unformatted content too)
[21:20:32] <AzaTht>	and then it was the user generators also...
[21:20:34] *AzaTht 	hides
[21:24:03] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: an other thing, shouldn't it also exist a schema/DTD?
[21:24:12] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: u here yet? ;-)
[21:24:27] <Duesentrieb>	uhhh... hm?
[21:25:30] <fishsponge_>	your News extension - http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/Recent_Changes?feed=rss - why does it display titles with content instead of just titles?
[21:25:49] <fishsponge_>	brb
[21:26:26] <bcrosby>	quick question... is there documentation online someplace that can outline how I can include a listing of the newest articles on the main page (front page?)
[21:26:54] <Duesentrieb>	!e News | bcrosby
[21:26:54] --mwbot--	bcrosby: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:News
[21:27:04] <bcrosby>	merci beaucoup
[21:27:26] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: i don't quite understand - you want a feed with only the titles?
[21:33:07] <siebrand>	brion: crap. Sorry.
[21:33:48] <siebrand>	brion: (re r30405)
[21:35:43] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: oh, i see what you mean. well, the title includes the edit summary - which, if not definied explicitly when creating a page, is (the start of) the content of the new page.
[21:35:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linker::userToolLinks and friends should not require a user ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10663  (10brion)
[21:36:04] <brion>	siebrand: eh it happens :)
[21:36:06] <brion>	it was in a non-default case
[21:36:26] <fishsponge_>	back! sorry about that Duesentrieb...
[21:36:37] <GaGo_Compulsivo>	a program like mediawiki but for windows? exist?
[21:37:13] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: take a look at your feed: http://brightbyte.de/feeds/News.rss
[21:37:13] <Duesentrieb>	GaGo_Compulsivo: mediawiki runs on windows to. 
[21:37:14] <ialex>	it should works on windows too
[21:37:28] <fishsponge_>	there is content in the content area, but each title is *just* a title
[21:37:43] <fishsponge_>	but i get content in the title field for both New Pages and Recent Changes
[21:38:10] <GaGo_Compulsivo>	hum... where can a read about mediawiki instalation for windows Duesentrieb? im to noob for this :D
[21:38:16] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: what gets included in the feed, and how, is not as configurable as it should be...
[21:38:30] <MrZ-man>	GaGo_Compulsivo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Windows
[21:38:39] <GaGo_Compulsivo>	tks
[21:38:55] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: hmm... how come your feed (as linked above) doesn't have content in the titles though?
[21:38:58] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: i think the fact that the edit summary is not included in my feed is a sideeffect of the fact that it's a "push" feed, i.e. it only lists edits i explicitly mark for the feed by using a specific trigger.
[21:39:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linker::userToolLinks and friends should not require a user ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10663  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:39:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Linker::userToolLinks and friends should not require a user ID - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10663  -need-review -patch  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[21:39:26] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: which is done by trigger="!feed".
[21:39:30] <fishsponge_>	so could i get rid of the titles from the feed if i switch to using a trigger?
[21:39:37] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: it would of course be nice to be able to controll sthis independantly...
[21:40:00] <Duesentrieb>	if you use a trigger, i *think* you only see plain page titles
[21:40:12] <Poundo>	will this  $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_EcoTeam]['*'] = array('sysop');    and this   $wgNamespacePermissionLockdown[NS_EcoTeam]['*'] = array('EcoTeam_GRP');   limit all access of all types including read to sysops and EcoTeam_GRP
[21:40:30] <Duesentrieb>	and again - it's not *content* in the titles. it's the edit summary - which makes sense to include when you have a feed of *edits*
[21:40:46] <Duesentrieb>	the "trigger" option is intended to make a feed ap "pages", blog style.
[21:41:22] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: it does kinda make sense, but take a look at the summary of the feed on my personal web site: http://www.mongeese.co.uk/ - it's basically impossible to understand! lol
[21:41:37] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: yes. well, all permissions that are controllable per-page.
[21:41:42] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: it's the "New Articles from Hobbs' Knowledge Base:" section
[21:42:53] <bcrosby>	Duesentrieb: hmm so the News Extension's {{{date}}} doesn't display properly
[21:43:00] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: yes, the edit summaries make no sense for new pages. there should be a special check for this in the extension.
[21:43:12] <Duesentrieb>	bcrosby: "properly" being what?
[21:43:18] <bcrosby>	http://www.studentpilotwiki.ca/wiki/Main_Page
[21:43:30] <bcrosby>	see for yourself (under "new additions")
[21:43:46] <Duesentrieb>	huh, that looks odd. oh... wait...
[21:43:54] <Duesentrieb>	it's probably related to this warning:
[21:43:57] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: please give me an example of one that is not. my problem is that anonymous is able to read the pages in NS_EcoTeam Namespace  and I am not sure why
[21:44:32] <bcrosby>	Duesentrieb: ohh.. the undefined offset.. hmm yeah
[21:44:56] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: i'm not sure, i didn't check recently. i think "move" is not checked per-page, but only gloablly. "read" definitly should work.
[21:45:56] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: ideally, i was going to put a "New Pages" and "Recent Changes" on my mongeese site, but it doesn't look like i can - will triggers solve the problem for both New Pages *and* Recent Changes?
[21:46:16] <fishsponge_>	obviously, i'll have to put the trigger on every single page which is a bit of a shame, but i can live with that :-)
[21:46:22] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: can you confirm that the extension is actually active? and do you configure it *after* including it?
[21:47:05] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: not sure how to confirm but yes the settings are after it is included in the localsettings.php
[21:47:06] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: tbh, i don't know how the trigger thing will work with new pages...
[21:47:17] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: you could simply hack the extension :P
[21:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: look in Special:Version - if it's listed there, it's active.
[21:47:40] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: which version of mediawiki are you using, anyway?
[21:47:45] <bcrosby>	Duesn: oh lol.. YOU wrote this extension.. hah!
[21:48:31] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: Lockdown Daniel Kinzler
[21:48:43] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: then it should work...
[21:48:53] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: ahh 1.10
[21:49:02] <Duesentrieb>	1.10 should work too
[21:49:34] <Duesentrieb>	(though read restrictions may not be applied to the rc feed, for example)
[21:50:02] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: can you put your localsettings file on a pastebin somewhere? (remember to remove any passwords)
[21:51:12] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: i think perhaps I am not refering to the namespace properly if I put ?title=EcoTeam:Newpage, and I am anonymous, and the page exists, i should not see it right?
[21:51:52] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: if EcoTeam is actually correctly set up as a namespace, then lockdown should prevent you from seeing it
[21:52:05] <bcrosby>	Duesentrieb: I think it has to do with the fact that nonymous users dont have a pref set for their style of date.. because that error goes away and the date is formatted fine if I specifically set a date/time format pref
[21:52:18] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: if you go to Special:Allpages, and look into the namespace selection box, do you see EcoTeam there?
[21:53:11] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: Ok let me work on that  a bit and I'll get the pastebin thing going shortly
[21:53:13] <Duesentrieb>	bcrosby: anonymous users use the default pref. which seems to refer to something that doesn'Ät work with your language files. which is odd. (but the date stuff is a bit hackish anyway)
[21:53:45] <bcrosby>	right
[21:53:51] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: i would love to hack the extension, but i'm not really sure where to start again... any clues as to where i can simply exclude the extra stuff from the titles?
[21:54:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change CSS so tab spacing is 'before edit' instead of ' after talk'. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11571  (10brion)
[21:55:00] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: in NewsRenderer, line 176 (or so) should be: else  $this->publication = false;
[21:55:06] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: changve "false" to "true".
[21:56:09] <fishsponge_>	that simple?
[21:56:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add pt.wp as import source for de.wp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12866 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[21:56:41] <fishsponge_>	so if it's false it includes the extra content (or changelog) and if it's true it just shows the title?
[21:56:53] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[21:57:12] <Duesentrieb>	"publication" mode is for "push pages", as opposed to "notify of changes"
[21:57:26] <Duesentrieb>	for changes, the edit summary is an important information though
[21:57:29] <fishsponge_>	ok, taking a look now...
[21:57:38] <Duesentrieb>	so you should consider keeping it for the "recent changes" feeds.
[21:57:48] <Duesentrieb>	(the hack will disable it for all).
[21:58:45] <fishsponge_>	i realise the importance of the edit summary, but to the average person browsing my RSS Feeds, they're surely gonna wonder what on earth it all is
[21:59:11] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: On your "when the edit API is up and running" --> I'll dream when I'm in bed ;)
[21:59:23] <fishsponge_>	i'm not really after a feed that shows what has changed on each page - i only want to display the pages that have changed recently - i don't really care what has changed in particular
[21:59:32] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: not if you provide meaning full summaries, insetad of leaving the field blank, causing it to be filled in automatically...
[22:00:07] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, the hack i gave you turns off the edit summary.
[22:00:07] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Have you seen list=users yet? That's another one of your request
[22:00:15] <Duesentrieb>	(this should probably be a parameter)
[22:00:16] <fishsponge_>	hmm... but what about New Pages? i don't mind adding meaningful comments into the fields, but could i then turn it off just for new pages?
[22:00:19] <Skizzerz>	hmm... do you all think having a config variable that controls a forced preview would be a good idea for core? (like the forced preview for anons in mediawiki.org, except using PHP instead of javascript)
[22:00:26] <fishsponge_>	if not, i need to disable it site-wide, unfortunately
[22:00:48] <RoanKattouw>	You know that notice that says "The API is being implemented by Yuri Astrakhan" should really say "This API is based on Carl Fürstenberg's ideas and written mostly  by Roan Kattouw"
[22:02:22] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: you can provide a meaningfull comment for new pages, too...
[22:02:26] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add pt.wp as import source for de.wp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12866  +comment (10lejonel)
[22:02:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please allow imports from ptwp to dewp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12864  +comment (10lejonel)
[22:03:20] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: but yes, you can also disable it only for new paes (thsi is untested, mind you): line 447 should be: if ($this->publication)
[22:03:26] <fishsponge_>	true, but the sort of people who are gonna be looking at this site potentially aren't really going to be too bothered about knowing exactly what has changed - i don't predict becoming another wikipedia with lots of people coming back and back to find out more stuff - it'll most be random one-off people from google, in which case the specific changes don't really matter too much
[22:03:37] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: change it to if ($this->publication || $row->rc_new )
[22:03:44] <RoanKattouw>	Tim-away: Can you drop me a message / email me / whatever as to why Parser::extractSections() insists on clearing state and using $wgTitle? Parser::$mTitle should be good enough, and if it's not, whoever invokes extractSections() should set it correctly
[22:03:57] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: well, if they donÄ't care what changed, then disable it for everything
[22:04:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please allow imports from ptwp to dewp - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12864  (10raimond.spekking)
[22:05:40] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: saw that one, ツ
[22:05:45] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[22:05:55] <RoanKattouw>	Well you asked for bulk-retrieving user data and you got it ;)
[22:06:03] <AzaTht>	hehe
[22:06:07] <RoanKattouw>	User gennies are a big thing though, that's definitely post-edit
[22:06:30] <AzaTht>	ok
[22:07:01] <RoanKattouw>	After finishing action=edit I wanna lay back a little, maintain the API more passively and write a bot that uses the API (of which I've written a good framework already)
[22:07:17] <AzaTht>	hmm
[22:07:26] <RoanKattouw>	But come to think of it, user gennies will probably cause earth-shattering changes to my bot framework too
[22:08:12] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: perfact! thanks, dude!
[22:08:15] <fishsponge_>	*perfect
[22:08:26] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: don't think so
[22:08:34] <RoanKattouw>	I do
[22:08:43] <RoanKattouw>	I aim to create like a user interface to the API
[22:08:50] <RoanKattouw>	Able to combine pretty much everything
[22:08:51] <fishsponge_>	btw - random question - on eBay, if someone leave your first ever piece of bad feedback for you, and it's a blatant lie (they were in the wrong, not me) can it be removed?
[22:09:06] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: true, if the aim is such
[22:09:21] <RoanKattouw>	Like find out which pages were edited by you last December and semi-protect them all
[22:09:30] <AzaTht>	hehe
[22:09:47] <RoanKattouw>	So I'm nearly done building a big form that lets you combine pretty much everything the API has to offer
[22:10:15] <RoanKattouw>	Unfortunately, I don't keep up with myself; I'm adding things to the API all the time but I'm not maintaining the form that much
[22:10:21] <AzaTht>	allcategories?
[22:10:32] <AzaTht>	how does that work?
[22:11:16] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: It lists all categories. allpages&apnamespace=whatever doesn't list categories that have members but no description pages
[22:11:17] <AzaTht>	my direct feeling is that it's osboleted by allpages
[22:11:22] <AzaTht>	aha
[22:11:29] <AzaTht>	as my second though was
[22:11:59] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30407 10/trunk/ (79 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:11:59] <CIA-41>	* add message block comment in messages.inc for Filepath; was causing "Undefined index" errors on rebuildLanguage.php
[22:11:59] <CIA-41>	* finish Filepath integration from r by adding Filepath messages from extension i18n file to MessagesXx.php files
[22:11:59] <CIA-41>	* rebuildLanguage.php for touched files and removed obsolete messages
[22:12:00] <AzaTht>	but does allcategories list category pages without any members?
[22:12:00] <CIA-41>	* mark Filepath OBSOLETE
[22:12:04] <CIA-41>	* remove Filepath from Translate
[22:12:12] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: No
[22:12:23] <AzaTht>	hmm
[22:12:24] <Dashiva>	79 files? Heh
[22:12:47] <RoanKattouw>	Dashiva: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30397
[22:12:58] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: How frequently does that occfur
[22:13:07] <RoanKattouw>	It's usually the other way around
[22:13:24] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: CAT:CSD
[22:13:30] <RoanKattouw>	?
[22:13:39] <AzaTht>	unblock cats
[22:13:46] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[22:13:55] <RoanKattouw>	Categories that exist because they should be empty
[22:13:58] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Requests_for_unblock
[22:14:04] <AzaTht>	yea
[22:14:07] <siebrand>	Dashiva: just testing vvv's mail client...
[22:14:23] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Look at rev 30397
[22:14:46] <RoanKattouw>	That one was my hugest yet, 210 files
[22:14:51] <AzaTht>	list=blocks
[22:14:56] <RoanKattouw>	?
[22:14:58] <AzaTht>	shouldn't it be list=allblocks?
[22:15:03] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe
[22:15:21] <RoanKattouw>	But that'd break stuff, I prefer to go with backwards compatibility
[22:15:24] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: nice test, too
[22:15:30] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: hehe
[22:16:01] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Now I know they're huge, I just wait for another commit to arrive so I can delete it with Ctrl+A without having to select it directly; it'll take a few minutes to load otherwise
[22:16:30] <RoanKattouw>	Well seriously, though, AzaTht, people don't like when an established interface is changed
[22:16:44] <AzaTht>	that's true
[22:16:54] <RoanKattouw>	I know that the API is still under development and all that good stuff, and that they can expect a breaking change once in a while, but I'm trying to keep it to a minimum
[22:17:01] <AzaTht>	but isn't the api still in beta stadium? ツ
[22:17:26] <AzaTht>	hmm, the list=random must be checked
[22:17:27] <RoanKattouw>	More or less, yeah
[22:17:30] <RoanKattouw>	What about it?
[22:17:48] <RoanKattouw>	What about list=random ?
[22:17:52] <AzaTht>	  NOTE: When using a namespace filter, this module may return an empty result. In that case, retry the request
[22:17:57] <RoanKattouw>	I know
[22:18:02] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: yea it's in Special:Allpages, here is the localsettings.php http://rafb.net/p/5wDEKI30.html 
[22:18:08] <RoanKattouw>	But due to the way the randomizing system works, there's no way around that
[22:18:33] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: huh? why's that?
[22:18:41] <RoanKattouw>	You see, every page in the page table has a page_random value
[22:18:51] <RoanKattouw>	A float between 0 and 1
[22:18:57] <AzaTht>	yea
[22:19:15] <AzaTht>			$this->addWhereRange('page_random', 'newer', $randstr, null);
[22:19:24] <RoanKattouw>	What Special:Random does is basically think up a random number between 0 and 1, and fetch the first page with a number lower than that
[22:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: you are not assigning the right ids to your namespaces. this is wrong: $wgExtraNamespaces[] = 'Diversity'; should be: $wgExtraNamespaces[NS_DIVERSITY] = 'Diversity'; same for all other namespaces
[22:19:36] <RoanKattouw>	WHERE page_random <= random_value LIMIT 1
[22:19:48] <AzaTht>	so "newer" == <=?
[22:19:52] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[22:19:55] <Duesentrieb>	Poundo: the way you currently do it, your namespace constants do not refer to the ids your namespaces actually have.
[22:19:56] <AzaTht>	hmm
[22:19:59] <RoanKattouw>	Or no >=
[22:20:01] <RoanKattouw>	Whatever
[22:20:20] <RoanKattouw>	No newer has to do with sorting
[22:20:21] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: but if you put the namespace check into that query, it should work, right?
[22:20:27] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, except
[22:20:42] <gangleri>	Hi ! is it wworth to open en enhancement request about ISBN: foo_bar  as shown at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_and_Judaism#ISBN_sources ?
[22:20:45] <RoanKattouw>	It could be that you pick a low number like 0.01, and that there's only one page below that but it isn't in your NS
[22:20:57] <RoanKattouw>	Strike that, a high number, 0.99
[22:21:05] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: the same is true if you are not uing any filter.
[22:21:07] <RoanKattouw>	Now I suspect there's always a page with page_random=1
[22:21:29] <RoanKattouw>	Wow there isn't :O
[22:21:32] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: if your random number is to high, it may not find anything. detecting that case and retrying automatically should be simple
[22:21:37] <RoanKattouw>	True
[22:21:46] <AzaTht>	yea
[22:21:51] <RoanKattouw>	I'll see what Special:Random does exactl
[22:21:52] <RoanKattouw>	y
[22:22:03] <AzaTht>	a ns just increases the probabillity of not finding anything
[22:22:06] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: hm... actually... wouldn't it be nice to set random = 1 for the main page? it would make sense, and kill off this special case :)
[22:22:16] <RoanKattouw>	Not if someone deletes the Main PAge
[22:22:19] <RoanKattouw>	That happens
[22:22:28] <RoanKattouw>	Caused an underflow on Special:Statistics once
[22:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	It claimed there were 2^63 - 1 pages
[22:22:54] <Duesentrieb>	yes. but it will avoid the problem for most cases. but it introduces more magic... bah,
[22:22:58] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: but you won't take it really random
[22:23:20] <AzaTht>	0.453566 will always result in the same sequence of pages
[22:27:40] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30408 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (26 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-01 23:18 CET)
[22:30:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Search author namespace by default at sv.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12867 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lejonel)
[22:32:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enforced &#160; breaks inline CSS with !important - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11874   +easy (10brion)
[22:33:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Transwiki import from sv.wikipedia to sv.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12868 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (lejonel)
[22:35:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transwiki import from sv.wikipedia to sv.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12868   +shell (10lejonel)
[22:35:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search author namespace by default at sv.wikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12867   +shell (10lejonel)
[22:38:47] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30409 10/trunk/extensions/ (52 files in 43 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-01 23:18 CET)
[22:40:25] <Poundo>	Duesentrieb: That explains it. Thanks for taking the time to pull me head out of me posterior  :-D
[22:44:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Magnify icon alignment - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12869 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (huji.huji)
[22:55:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wikinews: namespace alias for sv.wikinews - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12711  (10N/A)
[22:56:17] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) index.php does not honor the variant param with action=raw - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12683  +comment (10brion)
[22:58:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) index.php does not honor the variant param with action=raw - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12683  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[23:03:47] <Mortable>	hey, is there a way to remove the [Edit]-links at each header (like removing the TOC with __NOTOC__)?
[23:04:03] <RoanKattouw>	__NOEDITSECTION__ I believe
[23:04:32] <str4nd>	you're right
[23:04:42] <Mortable>	alright, I'll try :)
[23:05:00] <Mortable>	yay, it works
[23:05:02] <Mortable>	Thanks!
[23:05:31] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30410 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRandom.php: API: Improving list=random. We now use the wrap-around from Title::getRandomTitle() to get enough pages anyway if we're unlucky, and check for duplicates.
[23:05:59] <RoanKattouw>	!r 30410 | AzaTht
[23:05:59] --mwbot--	AzaTht: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30410
[23:06:05] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) for locked wikis Database locked [[MediaWiki:Readonly]] should be displayed beside [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12747  +comment (10brion)
[23:07:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) for locked wikis Database locked [[MediaWiki:Readonly]] should be displayed beside [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12747  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[23:07:42] <Misza13>	is there something like {{BASEPAGENAME}} that doesn't cut just the last level but all the way to the base level?
[23:08:07] <RoanKattouw>	!magicword | Misza13
[23:08:07] --mwbot--	Misza13: For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[23:13:18] <AzaTht>	k
[23:14:06] <al_tally>	anyone know how I would get a permanent link of http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=56&offset=293&type=delete&user=Majorly ?
[23:14:30] <RoanKattouw>	al_tally: You can't
[23:14:35] <al_tally>	why
[23:15:04] <RoanKattouw>	Because this stuff is based on offsets (i.e. the 293th entry from the top) rather than timestamps
[23:15:12] <RoanKattouw>	And new entries are entered on top
[23:15:23] <al_tally>	you can with contributions
[23:15:33] <RoanKattouw>	How about with Special:Deletedcontributions/Turboface
[23:15:49] <al_tally>	I need the link to show to non admins
[23:16:07] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah cause contributions uses timestamps, log entries use offsets
[23:16:10] <RoanKattouw>	Which is kind of weird
[23:16:13] <RoanKattouw>	It should use timestamps
[23:16:19] <al_tally>	yes, it should
[23:16:21] <RoanKattouw>	I'll get at fixing that (timestamps are even more efficient)
[23:16:27] *al_tally 	looks at bugzilla
[23:16:49] <Misza13>	hmm, did my message get through?
[23:17:12] <RoanKattouw>	!magicword | Misza13
[23:17:12] --mwbot--	Misza13: For more information about creating magic words and their inner workings, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Magic_words>. For a list of magic words, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words>.
[23:17:22] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: u still there?
[23:17:43] <fishsponge_>	http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/New_Pages?feed=rss - looks great - no updates included in the titles now, but i have a new problem
[23:18:14] <Misza13>	lol, I forgot to scroll down and didn't see new messages :]
[23:18:16] <fishsponge_>	everything i have the feed added into , no matter how many times i refresh it still show all the updates in the titles! see http://www.mongeese.co.uk again
[23:18:21] <RoanKattouw>	al_tally: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=56&from=20070826012500&until=20070826012600&type=delete&user=Majorly
[23:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	Apparently it can be done anyway
[23:18:36] <al_tally>	ooh
[23:18:38] <al_tally>	ty
[23:19:28] <Misza13>	RoanKattouw: is that a "no" then?
[23:19:58] <RoanKattouw>	Misza13: Look through the second link
[23:20:03] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: i get just the titles now in IE, but in firefox, iGoogle and my mongeese site, i still get them!
[23:20:06] <RoanKattouw>	If you can't find it there, it's not there
[23:20:13] <Misza13>	no, not really
[23:20:17] <fishsponge_>	Firefox for example, has never ever seen that feed so it cannot be cached... any ideas?
[23:20:25] <Misza13>	if I can't find it, it means *I* can't find it
[23:20:31] <Misza13>	not that it's not there
[23:21:16] <Misza13>	so again {{BASEPAGENAME}} that cuts all the way to the real base page name - exists or not?
[23:21:28] <RoanKattouw>	No
[23:21:33] <Misza13>	thank you
[23:21:37] <RoanKattouw>	You could request it at Bugzilla though
[23:21:50] <fishsponge_>	Duesentrieb: it seems to be doing a userAgent look and giving out different content to different "browsers"... did you know this?
[23:21:55] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: no. it must be somehow cache related.
[23:22:06] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: nit that it's cached server-side too
[23:22:39] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: err - what does a user agent check? mediawiki does this for some stuff... i didn't think it would for RSS/Atom.
[23:22:59] <fishsponge_>	hmm... it's strange that IE is seeing the new changes, but no other browser (including Firefox that i never ever use) still sees the full "ugly" titles
[23:23:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Log should page based on timestamps rather than offsets - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12870 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (roan.kattouw)
[23:23:12] <fishsponge_>	if it was cached server-side, surely IE would be seeing the "ugly" ones as well, eight?
[23:23:31] <fishsponge_>	*right
[23:23:32] <RoanKattouw>	Misza13: You can file a feature request at Bugzilla
[23:23:35] <Duesentrieb>	no, it may be cached server-side, with the user agent being part of the cache key
[23:23:37] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: Link?
[23:23:55] <Duesentrieb>	if it does different things for different clients, the ua string must be in the cache key
[23:24:00] <fishsponge_>	RoanKattouw: http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/New_Pages?feed=rss
[23:24:04] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: try touching your LocalSettings.php
[23:24:10] <Duesentrieb>	and then doing a forced relaod
[23:24:29] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: What's the uglyness you're referring to?
[23:24:35] <Duesentrieb>	touching settings should clear all server-side caches
[23:25:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Apostrophes in page titles causing page content to disappear - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12749  (10brion)
[23:25:25] <fishsponge_>	touching LocalSettings.php and doing a forced reload makes no difference...
[23:25:49] <Duesentrieb>	bad case of server pixies, then
[23:25:51] <fishsponge_>	RoanKattouw: the "ugliness" is the fact that after each page title, we get stuff like "New page: == Summary == some page content goes here, along with some updates etc.."
[23:25:55] <Duesentrieb>	seriously, i have no clue
[23:25:55] <fishsponge_>	i just want the page titles
[23:26:00] <fishsponge_>	hmm...
[23:26:03] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: That's called the edit summary ;)
[23:26:18] <RoanKattouw>	You can help yourself by providing an edit summary when you create pages
[23:26:31] <RoanKattouw>	The edit summary is *supposed* to be in the feed
[23:26:33] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: you canched the code so it *can* not append the edit summary. so what you are seeing must be cached *somewhere*.
[23:27:02] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: we have been through all that. he hacked it to get rid of the summary. which is sane for a newpages feed, anyway.
[23:27:05] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: Create a new page and provide an edit summary this time, then refresh your feed
[23:27:19] <fishsponge_>	well, i know it must be cached, but i can't see how... IE is showing the updates, which eliminates server-side caching and ISP caching, and Firefox cannot see the updates, but it has not been opened up on my machine for weeks now...
[23:27:24] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe creating a new page will invalidate any caches
[23:27:40] <Duesentrieb>	actually, it *would* be interesting to know if and whene the feed updates after you create a new article, yes
[23:27:45] <RoanKattouw>	It could also be that the summary is still in the RSS, but IE isn't showing them
[23:27:48] <fishsponge_>	hmm... would creating a new page and then deleting it have the same effect?
[23:27:54] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe, maybe not
[23:28:01] <RoanKattouw>	Just create it and worry about deleting it later
[23:28:11] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: both server-side and isp caches may vary on user aganet - they frequently do.
[23:28:13] <fishsponge_>	well, i viewed source in Firefox and IE, and at the "View source" level of the same feed, the IE source had no ugliness, and the Firefox had ugliness!
[23:28:17] <fishsponge_>	strange
[23:28:18] <RoanKattouw>	Weird
[23:28:27] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, create a new page, refresh feed
[23:28:37] <fishsponge_>	very weird... let me create a new page, refresh the feed and then delete the new page... hold on a sec...
[23:29:14] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: sounds like you are hitting some intermediate cache, like squid... i know such effects from wikipedia. it's a bit surprising for some small site, though
[23:30:38] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: oh, wait, there's one big difference: server side cache is used only if you are not logged in.
[23:30:42] <fishsponge_>	ah - that worked!
[23:30:43] <Duesentrieb>	check for that
[23:30:55] <fishsponge_>	ah - in IE i'm logged in - in Firefox i'm not
[23:30:58] <fishsponge_>	that would explain it
[23:31:01] <RoanKattouw>	Works for me
[23:31:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Recentchangeslinked should allow namespace selection - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12871 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b)
[23:31:06] <fishsponge_>	cfreated a new page, and it's all refreshed :-)
[23:31:12] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: The feed works for me in Firefox now
[23:31:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "real" BASEPAGENAME - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12872 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (misza1313)
[23:32:00] <fishsponge_>	excellent!
[23:32:19] <fishsponge_>	what a strange set of caches though! lol, browser caches, ISP caches, and login-dependant wiki caches!
[23:32:31] <fishsponge_>	tracking anything down in that situation is a bit of a nightmare! ol
[23:32:47] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: btw, if server-side cache is used, there's a line like <!-- cached: ... --> at the bottom
[23:32:55] <RoanKattouw>	fishsponge_: Since the upper right section of the UI differs per user, we cache a lot of stuff per user
[23:33:12] <RoanKattouw>	Just grep the HTML for "cache"
[23:33:14] <fishsponge_>	iGoogle still shows the old style, but it also doesn't display "Test page", so it's clearly not updated at all yet!
[23:33:32] <fishsponge_>	thanks for the assistance, people!
[23:33:36] <Duesentrieb>	fishsponge_: lots of things in mediawiki are only cached for anons - because they may depend on user prefs. or because logged-in users should be able to see up-to-date data.
[23:33:43] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, going to bed now.
[23:33:55] <fishsponge_>	same here!
[23:33:57] <fishsponge_>	see ya!
[23:37:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "real" BASEPAGENAME - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12872  +comment (10danny_b)
[23:37:40] <Misza13>	good, now strech your coding muscles on that :P
[23:38:08] <Misza13>	or else I'll have to do it
[23:38:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variable to show the topmost level in the tree of subpages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12872  summary (10danny_b)
[23:38:43] <rick_tom>	quick question: is it easy to remove the logo and shift the menus beneath it (nav, toolbox) upwards to the top-left?
[23:39:22] <Isnogud>	rick_tom: depends on your skills :)
[23:40:07] <rick_tom>	skillset: none.  tink around until something breaks then revert it.  i've been able to get rid of a few things like saarch bar but i don't know what i'm doing w/ *.php or *.css
[23:41:18] <Danny_B>	rick_tom: all skins or monobook only?
[23:41:34] <rick_tom>	monobook
[23:45:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  First tab character in a preformatted paragraph converted to wrong number of spaces - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12751  +comment (10brion)
[23:45:28] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30411 10/trunk/extensions/AdvancedRandom/SpecialAdvancedRandom.i18n.php: Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[23:48:12] <Danny_B>	rick_tom: #p-logo { display: none; }
[23:48:12] <Danny_B>	#p-navigation { position: absolute; top: 0; }
[23:48:12] <Danny_B>	might be enough if i understood your needs properly
[23:50:13] <Danny_B>	add to MediaWiki:Monobook.css if you have admin rights or hack the skin css (not recommended if you plan to do updates, since they'll overwrite your changes) if you have access to the server
[23:51:18] <rick_tom>	i was editing main.css for monobook
[23:51:31] <rick_tom>	now i'm @ mediawiki:monobook.css on my wiki
[23:51:45] <rick_tom>	so just drop those two lines in you showed me, or is it easier to just continue editing main.;css?
[23:53:41] <Danny_B>	as i wrote above: if you plan to do updates of mediawiki editing of core files is discouraged. so it's up to you. both ways work (however there might be issues with cascade - fixable with more descriptive selector though)