[00:02:38] 03aaron * r30498 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: wfMsgForContent() [00:11:01] Quick question, is there any special steps that need to be taken when you move your installation of MediaWiki to a different host? [00:13:22] backup and backup [00:13:37] Aside from that, I am working off a baclup. [00:13:42] backup* [00:13:55] then good [00:14:14] Not really, when I go to the URL all I get is a blank page. [00:15:29] did you import the database? the versions of mw were different? did you run php rebuildAll.php [00:15:49] Yes, No, and no, I'll try that. [00:15:56] did you install the same extensions? [00:16:03] Yes. [00:18:23] see also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug [00:19:38] The most simple and obvious answer, and I needed to ask on IRC to find it. <.< thanks. [00:20:35] yw [00:26:11] The debugging script things didn't show any errors, (Just a blank page) and I got an ISE when running rebuildAll [00:27:52] ISE ? [00:28:01] Internal Server Error [00:28:21] that is normal [00:28:37] you are supposed to run it from the shell [00:28:48] (or command prompt) [00:29:06] Ah. [00:29:48] ...I don't think I can access that on shared hosting. [00:32:22] that is bad, check it, may be it is turned on [00:34:01] Nope. [00:38:46] how can I get a list of categories? I would like to add the different categories to my sidebar. [00:39:50] Anyone? [00:39:58] I think there is a page under [00:40:01] Special Pages. [00:41:43] Labine50: yeah I know, but do you know how I can get a list of categories so I can use it in the sidebar. Some kind of hook or function? [00:44:18] Oh, I think there's a thing on MediaWiki to edit the sidebar. [00:44:39] !sidebar [00:44:39] --mwbot-- To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [00:52:39] ^ [00:56:14] Labine50: mhh, that does not allow me to create something like a menu with category_name1, category_name2 etc etc. I tried using $this-> [00:56:50] $this->data['catlinks'], but it stays empty allthough I have already created at least two categories... [01:00:47] I'm not really an expert of this sort of stuff... [01:01:00] I just know the basic basics. [01:15:20] Labine50: ok, thanx anyway. [01:18:25] hi there [01:18:55] *Labine50 backs away slowly [01:38:36] Is there a mediawiki developer in the house? [02:07:05] So I finally got mod_rewrite working, but in the process, I'd moved everthing from /somedir/w to /w. I've currently got /somedir/w symlinked to /w, but I'd prefer to use an HTTP 301 redirect. [02:08:25] I hate messing with .htaccess, because I always seem to screw it up. So I'd like someone to tell me if there are any glaring mistakes before I put the rule in place. [02:08:57] rewriterule ^/rosettacode/w(.*)$ /w/$1 [r=301,nc] [02:09:21] Anything particularly wrong with that? [02:15:39] I guess there are no mediawiki developers in the house? [02:15:57] BjornW: I probably don't qualify, but what do you need? [02:16:48] shortcircuit: any pointer to more info on how to get a list of all categories so I can include them in the sidebar. I can't seem to find the right function for this [02:17:07] Include all *categories* in the sidebar? [02:17:33] Try Special:Categories [02:17:54] That'll get you a list, but I don't think you can use it to update Mediawiki:Sidebar automatically. [02:18:00] shortcircuit: yeah, but special will only create a link to all categories [02:18:34] shortcircuit: I need to get all categories so I can include them in the sidebar. It seems odd to me that this is so hard to do? [02:19:16] Well, I wouldn't think it's a common need. Hm. [02:19:32] shortcircuit: yeah, so did I ;) [02:19:44] Er...I *wouldn't* think it's common. [02:19:56] shortcircuit: oops [02:20:10] shortcircuit: why not? [02:20:15] Most wikis I've seen have far more categories than you would want in the sidebar. But I'm not here to judge how you use them. [02:20:35] shortcircuit: sure, each wiki has its own use ;) [02:20:54] hm. [02:21:08] shortcircuit: any clues? [02:21:36] I don't think there's an established way to do it. On my site, categories are used for virtually all navigation, though. [02:21:53] I have a few master categories that most of the other categories get placed in. [02:22:03] And I have links to those master categories in my sidebar. [02:22:11] shortcircuit: that's what we're aiming for as well [02:22:20] Take a look at http://rosettacode.org [02:22:24] shortcircuit: did you hardcode them in your skin then? [02:22:28] No. [02:22:39] You can edit MediaWiki:Sidebar, and add the links there. [02:23:02] http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar [02:23:09] That's what my sidebar looks like. [02:23:33] shortcircuit: ok, seems to me that this could be a good solution for us as well :) [02:23:44] Glad I could help. :-) [02:24:30] BTW...The only thing I have hardcoded in my skin is the Google Analytics code. [02:24:37] shortcircuit: thank you very much! [02:24:51] And I'd frankly prefer a plugin; Last time I upgraded, I forgot to put the GA code back in the skin. [02:25:20] np [02:25:45] shortcircuit: I must admin that I really dislike the mediawiki code. It's a all over the place and in comparison to other open source software seems to lack a 'real' developers community. Or am I too harsh now? [02:25:56] *shortcircuit shrugs [02:26:00] is there an information page for the {{int:}} stuff? [02:26:02] I try not to mess with the internals too much. [02:26:42] shortcircuit: I'd be happy to develop plugins for it and help out with the core, but it seems that before doing this one would need to do some Spring cleaning ;) [02:26:48] shortcircuit: I can imagine ;) [02:27:15] It's frustrating enough that I have to rebuild LocalSettings.php each time I upgrade. [02:30:53] *BjornW thinks that mediawiki needs to put some time in cleaning up and enlarge its developers base [02:54:55] 03(mod) Search can't find existing entries - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8104 +comment (10jdcrunchman) [03:07:06] 03(NEW) parse error, syntax error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12903 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (ranchnachos) [03:20:44] hi guys, i'm getting a internal server error whenever i try clicking on the quick index.any ideas? [03:26:23] Is there anything in the default wiki markup that links to Wikipedia? That is I'd like something of the form [{Wikipedia: mappings} | maps] that displays the word "maps" on my page and links to the wikipedia article on 'mappings'... [03:29:16] ajushi) what do you mean by quick index? [03:30:01] alyssag) yes, interwiki. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#How_can_I_create_Interwiki_Links_in_my_Wiki.3F [03:30:38] though i think wikipedia: already works , not sure [03:30:48] alknota: Thank you. [03:31:05] yw [03:32:41] alnokta: like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quick_index [03:37:08] ah, may be because you have short url/rewrite rules [03:37:26] Is there a simple way to export all articles to an XML file? [03:40:52] phuzion: dumpBackup.php [03:41:09] it's in your mediawiki/maintainance folder [03:41:21] Will that export it to a file that I can import on another wiki? [03:41:50] run it w/ 'php dumpBackup.xml > ~/backup.xml' [03:42:04] Yes, you can import it. You might want to do a backup of the mysql db as well. [03:43:10] Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't read your question fully. I don't honestly know about importing to an existing wiki. [03:43:19] You'd have to ask someone else about that to make sure. [03:43:52] I know that you can restore the wiki you backup up from the xml dump though. I just don't know about merging two of them together. [03:44:05] yes you are right, you dump it that way then import with php importDump.php... [03:44:45] alknota: What would happen if the two wikis he is merging had an article w/ the same name? Would one get overwritten? [03:45:02] I was planning on using Special:Import on the target wiki [03:45:09] I have root access to the source wiki [03:45:14] but only sysop access to the target wiki [03:45:28] alyssag) a new revision will be added AFAIK [03:45:43] would it work with Special:Import? [03:45:55] yes [03:45:59] So it would just append the new one to the old one? [03:46:09] yes [03:47:34] interesting ... anyhow thanks again alknota [03:50:49] Ok, so that doesn't work with special:Import [03:53:39] Hm, that didn't even work with importDump.php [03:54:55] how come [03:56:57] I edited a page, and after importing it, it was in a pre-import state [03:57:01] like, no changes to it [04:00:58] Is there an easier way to export all article names to a text file, each on its own line [04:01:18] because special:export doesn't like tabs [04:25:06] 03(mod) MediaWiki: Licenses message corresponding to purpose-specific upload forms - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12699 (10vinhtantran) [04:29:53] 03shinjiman * r30499 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [04:29:53] * Update Chinese translations [04:29:53] * Update Cantonese translations [04:29:53] * Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations [04:31:38] 14(INVALID) Italian Wiktionary - Case sensitive only in NS=0 and NS=1 - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12899 +comment (10vasilvv) [04:37:59] Ok, here's my problem. I need to import all of the mainspace articles from one wiki to another wiki. I have root access on the source wiki, and ftp/bureaucrat access on the target wiki. Using Special:Export is out of the question because the file that would be made is too large to import with Special:Import. [04:42:48] GUESS WHO LOST THE SUPER BOWL? [04:43:23] Schroeder, The patriots? [04:43:30] yup [04:43:35] the cheating New England Traitors [04:43:39] the BAD GUYS LOST [04:43:49] hello ppl [04:44:30] hi Alex_Offshore [04:45:08] any volunteers to help me with some extensions installations on mediawiki 1.11? [04:45:27] highliting e.g. [04:45:34] phuzion) may be you export a number of pages through spe:export then spe:import , then another batch, until you finish.. [04:47:01] Alex_Offshore) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi [04:48:26] 03vasilievvv * r30500 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Skin.php opensearch_desc.php5): * Use $wgScriptExtension for opensearch_desc.php [04:48:36] heh [04:49:19] tried http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Syntax_Highlighting -- mb the article is old or smth else but its not working [04:49:22] 03vasilievvv * r30501 10/trunk/phase3/ (api.php5 img_auth.php5 index.php5 redirect.php5 thumb.php5): Strip ?>'s [04:49:44] alnokta, thanx, i'll try [04:51:07] 03vasilievvv * r30502 10/trunk/phase3/ (config/index.php index.php): Update some copyright dates to 2008 [05:09:33] alnokta, thanx ever so [05:11:05] yw [05:12:33] hmm. is there any way to use a template (or similar) as a way to pull information from another source - like another database or even a rss feed or similar? [05:16:13] btw, anyone knows, how to make short url under windows? tried anything around http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Short_URL, but haven't found the solution for http 403 problem (colon in url) [05:16:31] Offshore, what webserver application are you using? [05:16:47] phuzion, Apache2.2/mod_php5.2.5 [05:16:58] windows vista x64 [05:17:27] *AaronSchulz reads http://www.nabble.com/Deletion-of-large-pages-to15260919.html [05:17:28] Then you ought to be able to follow the directions from the page you listed. [05:17:44] TimStarling: I just saw this. I still can't believe it [05:18:09] phuzion, there are no soluthion for my environment [05:18:26] Have you tried editing httpd.conf? [05:18:31] YES [05:18:35] anything [05:19:01] *anything posted there & related pages [05:20:54] http://addr.tld/Article works fine; http://addr.tld/Special:smth causes 403 [05:21:28] 403, eh? [05:21:38] yep [05:23:15] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_Working_method_with_mediawiki-1.11 [05:25:42] it has my correction (Note: Please don't do this for Apache/mod_rewrite under Windows... ... ...) -- snatched it from somewhere; it has no benefit of me [05:39:01] i put $wgCookieExpiration = 2592000; in the LocalSettings.php file because I thought the default timeout was not working (kicks us out in an hour or so? not sure on timeing) [05:39:18] the server's php.ini has sessions enabled, and the local browsers have cookies enabled. [05:39:35] stil no workie D: [05:42:25] 03dale * r30503 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (11 files in 6 dirs): minor bug fixes and improved scrape and insert metadata script [06:06:22] Question: I like the wiki format, and would like to install it on my computer for my own personal use, NOT over the internet. Can you do that with wikimedia? [06:07:15] I think it would be better than having random .doc and .txt files all over my computer. [06:09:53] Buttercup) yes, sure [06:10:26] TimStarling: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history [06:10:36] Buttercup) you would need to install some servers and mediawiki [06:10:47] TimStarling: do people think this is funny? [06:11:47] *amidaniel sighs [06:13:01] Ok. Would the installation process be different than the normal thing? Or do I just follow the regular instructions? [06:13:41] Buttercup) regular instructions, in order for the world to see it, you have to have port 80 opened and no firewall [06:14:35] Cool. So as long as I keep port 80 closed, I'll be good to go? [06:14:41] AaronSchulz) tim took care of it (if you already don't know) [06:14:55] Buttercup) yep [06:15:08] Thank you very much. :) [06:15:26] *amidaniel notes that the ") " construct is not conventional IRC practice :) [06:16:10] *Buttercup notes that it does help follow conversations. ;) [06:17:00] Buttercup: Yes, but a colon or comma is more common and intelligible as a separator [06:17:04] :) [06:17:41] ;) [06:18:24] hi has anyone used the extension, password protected? [06:41:03] 03brion * r30504 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/ (PdfHandler.i18n.php PdfHandler.image.php PdfHandler_body.php): whitespace fixups [06:43:53] 03brion * r30505 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/PdfHandler.php: Safety first! Define all configuration variables to ensure they don't get set for us by register_globals [06:45:13] 03brion * r30506 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/PdfHandler.php: no sense calling dirname() three extra times if we've already put it in a variable [06:51:49] safety first [06:52:43] brion: you should were kneepads and a helmet everywhere to be silly ;) [06:52:55] :D [06:53:01] though people might think you were "slow" [06:53:18] :( [06:53:34] or a skater [06:53:50] brion: ok, "special", does that sound better? [06:55:31] AaronSchulz: cheers on the 2 fixes. [06:56:17] Special:Brion [06:56:31] does anybody offhand have a PDF file with pages of different sizes in it? [06:56:47] i don't think pdfinfo gives per-page size info... [06:58:56] what special:brion gives ? :) [06:59:25] all of your money to brion [06:59:29] if you have too many edits, it's a redirect to special:stab [06:59:54] :) [06:59:57] is that the development version of Special:Killuser? [07:02:22] yes like sp:killwiki [07:02:53] brion) i don't think anyone track their pdf files for such properties [07:07:20] aha, pdfinfo will give more data if you ask for it [07:07:23] *brion experiments [07:10:05] are you in Wikimedia Labs (tm) [07:10:46] Hello [07:11:00] brion: "experiment"? Is that what you call it? ;) [07:11:28] *AaronSchulz should experiment with some angel pictures [07:12:10] hi SaadSaeed [07:12:18] hey alnokta [07:12:23] :D [07:12:37] are you someone from mediawiki support? [07:14:50] if you just ask your question, someone could help you. [07:19:11] Im wondering if there is a better way (extension perhaps) of making tables. [07:19:43] i get super confused with the current way of making tables [07:20:52] im hoping you guys can throw at me a grease monkey script or something that i can either recommend to my dev folks to integrate into our wiki [07:22:49] SaadSaeed: might look through the userscripts area [07:22:55] SaadSaeed) check this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Table_extensions [07:23:07] *SaadSaeed looking [07:26:23] *SaadSaeed likes Extension:SimpleTable [07:29:42] 03brion * r30507 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/ (PdfHandler.i18n.php PdfHandler.image.php PdfHandler_body.php): [07:29:42] Improve the metadata handling... [07:29:42] * Use a nice simple PHP array instead of constructing unnecessary XML. This removes the dependency on PHP 5.1.3 for a SimpleXML method. [07:29:42] * Tell pdfinfo to give us metadata encoded in UTF-8. If we start outputting title and creator info this will be nice! [07:29:46] * Tell pdfinfo to give us page size information for all pages (at least through page 99999 :) rather than just the first page [07:29:49] * Make use of that per-page size information so we can properly render pages of differing size. Without this, they get stretched or squooshed in interesting days. [07:29:52] * Rename the pdf_no_xml message to pdf_no_metadata (in English) [07:30:44] Do these extensions get rolled into the updates of media wiki or must they be specifically installed? (im guessing the later) [07:30:56] Hmm, should I fuzzy those messages or not... [07:35:56] 03siebrand * r30508 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/PdfHandler.i18n.php: Rename non-English messages, capitalise PDF [07:39:18] i have a mediawiki in a DMZ and some internet explorer users complain that the css doesnt load...i cant check it out cause i just have firefox at home...so i looked in the source and i cant see like a full domain in the css lines. cause outside and inside have different urls...does someone has a idea? [07:46:37] 03(NEW) Special:Stableversions breaks imagemaps - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12904 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (sco_scam) [07:50:24] marvxxx) so it works for firefox users? [07:50:48] alnokta: yep [07:51:10] alnokta: a IE user sent me a screenshot which looks like the CSS didnt got load [07:52:08] marvxxx) what is your url? [08:07:05] i get this in the error.log of apache: [08:07:17] Digest: uri mismatch - does not match request-uri , referer: https://tsmoffice [08:07:17] .dyndns.org/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite [08:08:58] 03siebrand * r30509 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/ (Gadgets.php README SpecialGadgets.php install.settings): Whitespace fixes [08:11:20] 03(mod) FlaggedRevisions breaks commons images - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12904 summary; +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [08:13:37] TimStarling: does findFile() check commons? [08:15:04] well, wfFindFile() I mean [08:19:08] 03aaron * r30510 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php filerepo/FileRepo.php): A file should be at $time [08:24:33] 03(NEW) Create a [[Special:Api]] to allow access of the Api through alternate syntax - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12905 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (dan_the_man) [08:26:37] TimStarling: ping [08:28:07] 03aaron * r30511 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/RepoGroup.php: At $time only [08:40:31] 03siebrand * r30512 10/trunk/extensions/ (62 files in 2 dirs): [08:40:31] * Gadgets uses wfLoadExtensionMessages now [08:40:31] * delay special page message loading a tiny bit [08:40:31] * add descriptionmsg and version in extension credits [08:40:31] * update Translate [08:43:17] is this a place where i can ask a few general questions about mediawiki? [08:43:30] yes [08:44:06] ok. I current use mediawiki. When I first started using it, i didn't know much about wikis [08:44:43] I now think the program may be too large for my purposes [08:45:23] I have pretty good shared hosting that handles the program fine, and I'm using the built in cache for it, and that's ok [08:45:37] however, I just have around 700 articles [08:45:57] is mediawiki overkill for me? [08:46:46] if you don't have any problems, why are you worrying? [08:47:39] just wondering if it's a waste of resources. Eventually, I'll have two separate wiki's running, a phpbb3 forum, flashchat, gallery, Wordpress mu, and regular web pages [08:50:18] on the other hand you get all cool features and good scalability if your wiki grows bigger [08:50:45] 03(mod) Remove query.php - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12881 (10Bryan.TongMinh) [08:51:12] that's a good point [08:52:08] the problem is, I'm having trouble finding comparable software. There are many lighter wiki's out there, but they have oddities built in, like forced camel case, or not being able to disable registration, or really difficult to edit templates (if any) [08:54:47] I was hesitant in dropping it, but I think you've convinced me to keep it [08:54:57] captain_tenneal) just stick to mw so long you can [08:59:38] are there any guides out there about trimming it down or removing features that aren't used? [09:03:44] 03(NEW) New parser breaks some template expansion in Semantic MediaWiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12906 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (ThomasBleher) [09:15:52] 03siebrand * r30513 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.i18n.php: Credit for English [09:22:25] 03siebrand * r30514 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryTree/ (8 files): Whitespace fixes [09:25:10] single file internationalization? ;-( [09:25:12] that sucks. [09:25:52] why? [09:26:37] <_wooz> lo [09:26:40] Nikerabbit: because it means parsing and loading a lot of unneeded data, possibly for every request. [09:26:55] Nikerabbit: basically, for the same reason we don't have all code in a single file, no? [09:27:25] also, i find individual files easier to maintain - less problems with preople screwing up because they are missing some font, easier to merge, etc [09:27:39] reduces complexity, works like other extensions and wrong characters encoding are less likely to happen [09:28:24] parsing isn't that slow, and with caching it's quite fast [09:28:46] i don't really see how it reduces complexity. and the argument about other extensions isn't that great either - it would have been simple enough to make a single function for loading extension language files, which supports different modes of storage [09:29:13] bah, whatever. i don't like it. it feelds crufty. [09:29:33] but if this is going to be the standard, so be it. lots of sucky standards around. better than none i guess. [09:29:38] Duesentrieb: and it saves our time, export is fast and easy [09:29:53] why would that be harder to do with multiple files? [09:30:48] maybe it could be as fast, if we were to automate svn add etc.. [09:31:15] also making exporter for every extensions because of license etc headers for every file takes time [09:31:23] true, new files need to be added to svn. that's simple enough to script. not sure what "etc" would be [09:31:54] hm? how is giving credits in n places in one file simpler than giving credit once in n files? [09:32:14] (credites for de got missing for the Gadgets extension, btw) [09:32:27] I'm not talking about credits, I'm talking the boilerplate on the top of the file [09:32:53] I'm not against multiple files, I'm just saying they are more complex [09:33:03] and I have to a lesson :) -> [09:33:11] *grmbl* [09:33:28] you can have complexity *inside* the file, or *between* files. it amounts to the same, imho [09:33:42] anyway, the boilerplate is worthless without credites. and adding the same header to all files is trivial [09:33:45] bah. have fun. [09:34:08] trivial if we have the header defined somewhere... which we don't currently [09:34:50] easy enough to fix. easier than converting all my extensions to the "new style" anyway :) [09:35:26] well it isn't my who is doing that, so I can't compare :D [09:35:47] it's not me either [09:36:01] on the other hand the files are ugly as long as they are php files... [09:36:22] not ideal for automatic processing [09:36:27] but reall off now -> [09:36:34] yea, why not use ini-file format? it's an rfc [09:37:05] maybe because it would be even bigger change than converting to single php file? :D [09:38:39] no reason not to allow both. bah, whatever. go forth and study, or something.. [09:53:02] is there anyone expert of dbs? such as them on download.wikimedia.org? [09:54:08] Filnik: well... what do you actually want to know? also, many dumps there are not database dumps at all, but xml dumps. [09:54:56] Duesentrieb: I only want to know if they are in the same format as the output of special:export :) [09:55:24] Duesentrieb: alnokta wants a bot that makes dumps of small wikies and I hope that it can be done using it ;) [09:56:46] Duesentrieb: so? is it the same? :D [09:57:13] yes, the xml format is the same [09:57:23] Duesentrieb: perfect :) thanks ^^ [09:57:35] i don't quite understand what the bot is supposed to do. [09:57:53] also note that the output of Special:Export is limited (to 200 pages i think, but i'm not sure) [09:58:05] on wikimedia projects, that is [09:58:15] and even if the limit does not kick in, http timout will at some point. [09:59:02] Duesentrieb) wikimedia projects is available on download.wikimedia.org , other projects doesn't support that at all [10:00:02] alnokta: I can export 50 pages per time and unify them late :) [10:00:09] alnokta: err, other projects can support that simply by running dumpBackup.php every month or so [10:00:29] Filnik) exactly [10:00:35] Filnik: that would be extremy slow. and kind of silly. if you can run tools on the server, do that. it's way faster, and more reliable [10:00:54] i really don't get the point... [10:01:04] Duesentrieb: yes, but for *small* projects it will be not so impossible :) [10:01:12] Filnik: any why not? [10:01:23] Duesentrieb: because they have few pages :) [10:01:32] err? [10:01:36] well, they don't..and contacting them will take whatever or they will simply won't do it [10:01:38] (I won't use that bot on en.wik or something xD ) [10:01:53] Duesentrieb: export 600 pages != export 10000000 pages :) [10:02:01] alnokta: who's "they"? [10:02:16] I think the devs :) [10:02:24] sites owners [10:02:28] Filnik: hm? what devs? [10:02:43] Duesentrieb: who are the people that make dbs? :) [10:02:57] alnokta: so, you want to leech content from wikis that don't give you dumps? why? and shouldn't you at least ask for permission? [10:03:36] Filnik: site admins. most devs are not. but that's all about wikimedia, to which all this doesn't apply anyway. so we must be talking about non-wmf wikis. [10:03:36] its like reading it from web [10:03:53] alnokta: yes. and leeching full site content is generally frowned uhpon. [10:03:53] its not that i'm stealing their content [10:04:04] well, it depends on what you do with it. [10:04:14] and how often you copy it. [10:04:23] (bandwith is a nissue for "small" sites) [10:04:36] yes frowned upon when you abuse it, killing the site..a very slow bot won't harm anyone [10:04:52] probably not. it still makes me wonder about the why. [10:05:07] back-up [10:05:11] personal use [10:05:11] you should at least check robots.txt before doing it [10:06:42] check it for what? [10:08:22] alnokta: check if it allows bots access to Special:Export [10:09:38] i don't see why it will be forbidden [10:10:04] just check *if* it is forbidden. [10:10:21] it's a question of being a good netizen. [10:10:28] in any case, having backup that way is cleaner.. you could always just save the html page from your browser to a folder [10:10:30] you konw: "be nice", "do no evil", all that [10:10:36] also have a descriptive ua string [10:11:02] yes [10:11:07] alnokta: if you safe all html pages of a site, using a script, i would expect you to do the same: check robots.txt, set a UA string, etc. [10:11:22] you'll notice that wget & co do that [10:11:42] not with a script, by hand, and long hours [10:12:28] yes, you can do that too. if you like. [10:12:50] i would never block a very *slow* bot [10:13:11] it doesn't matter what you would block. [10:13:49] when using someones site, do it on their terms. consider wepages as designed for human use, be very carefull and nice when using them by script. [10:17:42] whatever [10:26:02] 03siebrand * r30515 10/trunk/extensions/ (110 files in 2 dirs): [10:26:02] * CategoryTree uses wfLoadExtensionMessages now [10:26:02] * add descriptionmsg and version in extension credits where missing [10:26:02] * update Translate [10:35:47] 03siebrand * r30516 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/: svn:ignore messageindex.ser [10:50:05] re [10:56:00] Werdna) i have left a memo for you a few days ago.. have you read it? [10:56:22] hi marchelly [10:56:38] you should proobably be asking general questions of that nature in-channel, rather than pestering individual developers [10:56:42] *Werdna doesn't tend to read memos [10:56:59] i did ask here first [10:57:40] i asked if i should file a bug, someone suggested to contact you. [10:57:41] sounds like you're asking how to semi-protect [10:58:24] yes, semi-protect 86 sub-pages at once, without having to go through them one-by-one [11:14:38] yo all [11:14:44] 03(NEW) Special page to list links to other pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12907 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b) [11:15:17] anyone knows how to allow template parameter to be transcluded? [11:17:32] Acolytee: what do you need to do? [11:17:35] nevermind (laughs my ass off at himself). [11:17:47] {{#tooltip: {{{1}}}|{{:{{{1}}}}}}}Usage: {{tooltip | base text | tooltip text}} [11:17:57] That didn't work last time I tried it. Now it does. [11:18:24] Werdna) what do you think? [11:19:30] nothing. [11:19:36] no idea [11:19:55] ;) [11:24:41] about? [11:26:52] 03siebrand * r30517 10/trunk/extensions/ (10 files in 10 dirs): Update translation credits [11:39:13] 03(NEW) Sub-pages should be protected when the parent page is protected - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mohamed.m.k) [11:45:42] 03(mod) Option to protect all subpages when protecting the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908 summary; +comment (10danny_b) [11:47:17] 03(WONTFIX) Option to protect all subpages when protecting the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908 +comment (10Andrew) [11:54:16] that was your idea, won't fix [11:57:55] 04(REOPENED) Option to protect all subpages when protecting the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908 +comment (10danny_b) [11:59:50] hi brion [12:00:34] brion, are they problems if I translate includes/SpecialVersion header message to Messages.Xx.php ? [12:05:09] 03(mod) Option to protect all subpages when protecting the page - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12908 (10mohamed.m.k) [12:20:15]