[00:00:33] <daysleepr>	or even wordpress... seems the only admin page is the one to tweak user rights, block users, import, etc
[00:01:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Blockip form doesn't update block log below - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12917 minor; low; MediaWiki: Blocking; (oysterguitarist)
[00:01:44] <Duesentrieb>	daysleepr: most admin tasks are inline. and a lot of things can be done by anyone. and *serious* config is not accessible from the web at all.
[00:02:25] <Duesentrieb>	"bureaucrat" is an odd concept. kind of a super-admin. only that it's not.
[00:03:36] <daysleepr>	yeah, seeing that
[00:03:45] <Skizzerz>	bureaucrats basically gain the ability to just upgrade other users
[00:04:38] <daysleepr>	well, i could drown you out with dumb questions but i guess i'll just ask a broad one, then
[00:04:45] <daysleepr>	any must-have plugins?
[00:05:03] <daysleepr>	basically making a wiki for my fiance and i to keep our piles and piles of wedding information organized...
[00:07:47] <Acolytee>	yo all
[00:07:58] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) api format=txt returns content-type of text/text, should be something more common - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12915  +comment (10brion)
[00:08:45] <Acolytee>	is there an extension that allows dynamic data display based on index? ala http://www.armadaonline.110mb.com/links/United.html
[00:09:18] <maznaz>	daysleepr he plugins are really for non-standard operations
[00:09:24] <maznaz>	You should be good to go out of the box
[00:11:10] <Acolytee>	anyone?
[00:11:46] <Duesentrieb>	Acolytee: "based on index"?
[00:11:48] <Duesentrieb>	what index?
[00:11:56] <daysleepr>	word
[00:12:12] <Acolytee>	well, let's say I have a table of data. the index is the row.
[00:12:40] <Acolytee>	and I wish to either fetch or display next/prev row by clicking a button, i.e. dynamically, ala DataView 
[00:12:52] <Duesentrieb>	Acolytee: so, you want to load data from a database, and display it? (how's that related to the page you linked to? it has pretty pictures of monsters...)
[00:13:20] <Acolytee>	let's say data can be anywhere, database, mediawiki content...
[00:13:28] <Acolytee>	external file..
[00:13:39] <Acolytee>	I'd go with anything
[00:13:45] <Duesentrieb>	oh, you want an extension that can fetch anyything, from anywhere, and display it in any format?
[00:13:48] <Duesentrieb>	simple. write it.
[00:14:18] <Duesentrieb>	seriously.
[00:14:22] <Acolytee>	no
[00:14:25] <Duesentrieb>	there'S dpl for fetching stuff from wiki pages
[00:14:28] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[00:14:28] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[00:14:38] *MZMcBride 	was about to suggest that
[00:14:54] <Duesentrieb>	there is WikiData for realy serious database integration - but that's no longfer mediawiki
[00:15:01] <Acolytee>	damn..
[00:15:11] <Duesentrieb>	and then there are some db-table integration thingies, that work more or less, or don't.
[00:15:40] <Acolytee>	but.. is it possible on the same page to display external data with different "index", say, on event when I click "Next" button?
[00:15:48] <Acolytee>	i.e. with existing extension..
[00:16:38] <Acolytee>	ah.. Extension:DataTable... for storage..
[00:16:50] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Database_extensions
[00:16:55] <Acolytee>	and retrieval.. but how about events to display "next" piece of data?
[00:17:10] <CIA-41>	03brion * r30561 10/trunk/extensions/PdfHandler/PdfHandler_body.php: 
[00:17:10] <CIA-41>	Don't load extension messages until they're needed for error messages...
[00:17:10] <CIA-41>	Direct GS and Convert errors to stdout so we can pick them up and report them
[00:17:24] <Duesentrieb>	Acolytee: dynamically changing the data would require ajax. it's sure possible, but for something like that, you'd probably need to write a specialized extension
[00:17:31] <Duesentrieb>	doing this generically would be quite complicated
[00:17:57] <Acolytee>	I thought so too.. just haven't yet found anything...
[00:19:41] <Duesentrieb>	gotta sleep
[00:19:42] <Duesentrieb>	cu
[00:20:51] <daysleepr>	how would i escape a character
[00:21:03] <daysleepr>	if i want to display a double pair of square brackets, for instance
[00:21:12] <daysleepr>	[[ BLAH BLAH ]] ... without turning into a link
[00:22:43] <Acolytee>	<nowiki>
[00:24:05] <Acolytee>	around whole thing  <nowiki>[[ BLAH ]]</nowiki>
[00:29:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  15enhancement->major; +comment (10azatoth)
[00:43:14] <StarPearl>	Help needed: when I turn in charinst extention, Specialpages shows me blank window
[00:53:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  (10cooties)
[01:31:14] <SerajewelKS>	i'm testing a mediawiki installation, and every page is redirecting to itself
[01:31:43] <SerajewelKS>	e.g. /wiki/index.php/Main_Page returns a 301 redirecting to /wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[01:33:01] <SerajewelKS>	i don't see any .htaccess files up the tree
[01:35:31] <Wiredtape>	SerajewelKS, did you install from svn or latest release?
[01:56:10] <SerajewelKS>	Wiredtape: nm i resolved it
[01:56:17] <SerajewelKS>	Wiredtape: $wgUsePathInfo was unset
[01:57:01] <Wiredtape>	k
[02:19:19] <CIA-41>	03simetrical * r30562 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): 
[02:19:19] <CIA-41>	Rephrase the somewhat confusing createaccount-text message, which solves bug
[02:19:19] <CIA-41>	12660: When creating an account by e-mail, do not send the creator's IP address.
[02:19:19] <CIA-41>	Really we want to send the creator's username here, but that would involve a
[02:19:19] <CIA-41>	considerable amount of refactoring (which would probably be a good thing but not
[02:19:22] <CIA-41>	something I feel like doing at the moment).
[02:19:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:26:03] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: not really "fixed"
[02:26:19] <AzaTht>	I would say "LATER" instead
[02:33:12] <Simetrical>	AzaTht, what's LATER about it?
[02:33:15] <Simetrical>	It seems fixed to me.
[02:34:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Users who request accounts are sent an administrator' s IP address by e-mail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12660  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:38:56] *Simetrical 	raises an eyebrow at AzaTht 
[02:39:47] *Skizzerz 	pokes people with SVN commit access in the general direction of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12902
[03:08:22] <bcrosby>	evening. Quick question.. I have a bunch of wikipedia articles in XML format (From Special:Export) that I would like to import into my wiki.. is there a tool out there that can automate this? I have about 4000 articles.
[03:12:17] <Zach>	you have multiple xml files?
[03:16:07] <bcrosby>	yeah
[03:16:23] <bcrosby>	I also  have the wikipedia dump xml to work from too
[03:21:33] <fireman23333333>	OMGZ T3H HAXOR IS HERE
[03:21:47] <fireman23333333>	any n00b wanna get haxed?
[03:23:36] <Betacommand>	fireman23333333: you have been hacked
[03:27:24] <fireman23333333>	uhu
[03:27:29] <fireman23333333>	i hax u
[03:27:33] <fireman23333333>	10 times
[03:36:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category pages don't recognize {{BASEPAGENAME}}/{{SUBPAGENAME}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12909  +comment (10anon.hui)
[03:51:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) parse error, syntax error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12903  (10N/A)
[04:29:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide combo box containing protection expiration suggestions (as on Special:Blockip) to protection form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10188  (10N/A)
[04:38:12] <zocky>	any idea if translating pages to php and saving them as files, and then using require for transclusion would be significantly slower then loading whole mediawiki and showing them from cache?
[04:40:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow for comma-separated autocompletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11183  +comment (10yaron57)
[05:06:06] <jtsage>	anybody know of a way to change the default title on a per namespace basis.  i.e. instead of User:<username>, I would just love it to be User:<username> (<realname>)
[05:20:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inputbox Comment Function Flawed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12809  (10N/A)
[07:21:03] *Werdna 	waves
[07:24:48] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:25:11] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	ni
[07:46:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a [[Special:Api]] to allow access of the Api through alternate syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12905  (10dan_the_man)
[07:50:58] <phosphoricus>	hi, does anybody know how to prevent a wiki from displaying 'retrieved from <url>' at the bottom of a print?
[07:52:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Dark CSS format to save energy (button to change) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12918 15enhancement; low; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (eqvis81)
[07:59:46] <Werdna>	hey brion 
[08:00:59] <brion>	yo
[08:01:43] <OverlordQ>	in my defense, I wasn't the one who came up with character(1) for those fields :P
[08:02:07] <Werdna>	brion: ready for some more drama?
[08:03:42] <brion>	yay drama!
[08:04:05] *MrZ-man 	heard drama
[08:05:43] <brion>	i'm just hoping they'll let me vote in the morning
[08:05:59] <brion>	i'm not 100% sure my voter registration went through correctly :D
[08:07:05] <alnokta>	file a bug ?
[08:07:50] <brion>	bugzilla.gov? :)
[08:09:03] <alnokta>	yes :)
[08:09:48] <brion>	sleepty....
[08:09:50] <brion>	gnight all
[08:10:34] <AaronSchulz>	brion: nighty night!
[08:11:39] <alnokta>	he is gone 
[08:16:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dark CSS format to save energy (button to change) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12918  +comment (10river)
[08:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dark CSS format to save energy (button to change) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12918  (10river)
[08:24:12] <CIA-41>	03tstarling * r30563 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[08:24:12] <CIA-41>	* Added alternate preprocessor implementation "Preprocessor_Hash" which uses
[08:24:12] <CIA-41>	plain PHP hashtables for the underlying data structure. This removes the DOM
[08:24:12] <CIA-41>	dependence, avoids XML charset problems, and avoids the lack of memory
[08:24:12] <CIA-41>	accounting in DOM. It will hopefully serve as a better model for alternate
[08:24:14] <CIA-41>	language implementations than the DOM version. I haven't measured the
[08:24:16] <CIA-41>	preformance yet, but it should be comparable to Preprocessor_DOM. If the
[08:25:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add marker that forces a template to be always substituted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2003  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[08:28:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add marker that forces a template to be always substituted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2003  (10voyagerfan5761)
[08:29:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Dark CSS format to save energy (button to change) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12918  (10ThomasBleher)
[08:35:23] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) <math> produces a strange huge white box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[08:40:46] <_wooz>	lo
[08:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Inline queries with the <ask>...</ask> syntax suppress the display of references - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12592  +comment (10mak)
[09:15:57] <lbt>	hi - I run a couple of mediawikis but my focus is on the content, not admining the application. Is there a suggested 'keeping your mediawiki up-to-date' page that says 'run this command' apply these anti-spam extensions. Here's our suggested 'version du jour' ?
[09:28:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ImageMap extension can no longer produce an unclickable image - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12913  (10tcrow777)
[09:29:04] <flyingparchment>	lbt: subscribe to mediawiki-announce and run the latest version
[09:29:13] <flyingparchment>	there are fairly comprehensive upgrade instructions at www.mediawiki.org
[09:35:18] <lbt>	flyingparchment: I was hoping (!) for a low-maintenance type approach where I could install a 'stable' version and not have to do much beyond security updates for a year or two <grin>
[10:06:02] <Nineth>	how can I give a user admin previlages?
[10:07:36] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	Special:Userrights
[10:08:09] <Nineth>	nice. Thanks
[10:09:07] <Nineth>	how can I remove a user?
[10:09:57] <ialex>	!deleteuser
[10:09:57] --mwbot--	Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser>.  You can also try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete>
[10:11:47] <Nineth>	hmm
[10:19:42] <TimStarling>	which kind of sucks if you're using whitelist read
[10:38:45] <Telemac>	Hellp
[11:02:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Querying for N-Ary property with a type Text fails - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12754  +comment (10mak)
[11:05:18] <CIA-41>	03mkroetzsch * r30564 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Fixed Bug 12754 (SQL error under certain conditions)
[11:10:56] <CIA-41>	03mkroetzsch * r30565 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_Factbox.php storage/SMW_Store.php): 
[11:10:56] <CIA-41>	Fixed bug 12759 (page ID getting out of synch when editing object-pages for which semantics is not
[11:10:56] <CIA-41>	processed).
[11:11:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Relations pointing to non-semantic pages get broken - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12759  +comment (10mak)
[11:28:19] <lbt>	If I create a page called 'Glossary' and do #REDIRECT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Category:Glossary in it then the page 'Glossary' is listed as being in the Category. How do I stop this?
[11:28:54] <Dashiva>	Use [[:Category:Glossary]]
[11:29:50] <Duesentrieb>	en.wikipedia? oh, client script.
[11:30:01] <lbt>	Dashiva: thanks :)
[11:32:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Use deletedrevision message as content when deleting an old file version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12919 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (alex.emsenhuber)
[11:43:03] <AviR>	Is download.wikimedia.org down?
[11:45:43] <Zach>	too many people downloading the poty zips
[11:45:54] <lbt>	Dashiva: .... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Redirect#A_redirect_to_a_page_in_the_image_or_category_namespace and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Redirects#A_redirect_to_a_page_in_the_image_or_category_namespace
[11:49:30] <Dashiva>	What about them?
[11:50:04] <CaneToad>	hi, has anyone tried downloading the current mediawiki from http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download ?  Broken link.
[11:50:21] <CaneToad>	http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.11/mediawiki-1.11.1.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist
[11:50:45] <Duesentrieb>	CaneToad: it seems that the entire server is down
[11:50:47] <Duesentrieb>	the link should be ok
[11:50:49] <CaneToad>	oh
[11:51:20] <Duesentrieb>	"can't espablish connection" = "no server there".
[11:51:41] <lbt>	Dashiva: The Redirect help pages now have some text explaining how to avoid the problem I was having. Just thought you'd like to know you weren't wasting your breath (or fingers)...
[11:52:22] <Dashiva>	Aha. Well done.
[12:04:45] <RichiH>	where can i change the file extensions people may upload?
[12:06:16] <Zach>	RichiH: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[12:09:26] <alnokta>	if i add a category to a redirect page, will it appear in the category?
[12:13:49] <Zach>	alnokta, yes
[12:14:18] <Zach>	for example, see how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_data_redirects lists the redirects
[12:14:26] <Zach>	redirects will appear in italics
[12:15:27] <alnokta>	thanks Zach 
[12:20:36] <RichiH>	Zach: ta
[12:20:58] <Zach>	np alnokta, RichiH
[12:28:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add URL-friendly function as a complement of {{ns: namespace}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12920 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (anon.hui)
[12:38:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Limiting sitemap items by namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12860   +patch (10niklas.laxstrom)
[12:40:54] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30566 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: 
[12:40:54] <CIA-41>	Remove useless brackets as we have a nice table since months
[12:40:54] <CIA-41>	Document function a bit
[12:43:45] <Nikerabbit>	VasilievVV: could you split bug 12856 if needed (comment 2)?
[12:46:08] <Saavedro>	hi
[12:46:53] <Nikerabbit>	hi
[12:50:56] <Saavedro>	I'm searching for a cool extension that allows to set group-based access rights to pages. found some in the extension list, but the permissions should not be editable within the page (users should not be allowd to edit them). so "group based access control" does not work for me.. does anyone know if there is such an extension or any other hint?
[12:53:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) #switch expands node twice - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12901   +patch (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:03:15] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30567 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesCbk-zam.php MessagesCbk_zam.php): Fix incorrect file name
[13:29:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fix thai translation for 'allowemail' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12921 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (anon.hui)
[13:30:56] <alnokta>	is it now possible to use sqlite as the db?
[13:31:10] <avar>	no
[13:32:39] <alnokta>	ok
[13:33:16] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: we just had a talk on the lecture wether ( can be called brackets instead of parenthesis :)
[13:35:47] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: oi :) I learned brackets sometime... dunno if it's corrct AE oder BE...
[13:38:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add URL-friendly function as a complement of {{ns:namespace}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12920  +comment (10danny_b)
[13:48:22] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30568 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesTh.php: 
[13:48:22] <CIA-41>	Localisation updates Thai
[13:48:22] <CIA-41>	(bug 12921) patch by Anon Sricharoenchai
[13:48:22] <CIA-41>	Rebuild message file
[13:50:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fix thai translation for 'allowemail' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12921  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[14:15:39] <jlerner_>	is it possible to reference [[Image:flower.png]] without the resulting html being a link?
[14:17:09] <jlerner_>	hm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Extended_image_syntax/Archive_2#How_to_disable_the_link_to_the_original_image.3F
[14:17:39] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: not per default (the rationale being that meta-infor about the image must be accessible, and people should be able to replace the image)
[14:17:57] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: there's an extension called "icon" for this though:
[14:17:59] <Duesentrieb>	!icon
[14:17:59] --mwbot--	<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon>
[14:18:02] <jlerner_>	ah
[14:18:03] <jlerner_>	tyvm
[14:18:24] <Duesentrieb>	also, there are various ways to make an image a link somewhere else (but also not per default):
[14:18:25] <Duesentrieb>	!imagelinks
[14:18:25] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "imagelinks".
[14:18:28] <Duesentrieb>	!imagelink
[14:18:28] --mwbot--	Image linking is intentionally not supported in MediaWiki, so access to the image's description page is always available. If you need image links, you can use an extension like <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap>, or <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageLink>; or use wikipedia's [[Template:Click]]
[14:28:45] <CIA-41>	03mkroetzsch * r30569 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_URI.php SMW_DataValue.php): Enable URL values to be hidden by giving empty label (Bug 12687)
[14:28:51] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) hidden URL and email properties display a [1] with link - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12687  (10mak)
[14:31:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Smw_import_ doesn't work with canonical namespace names - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12922 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[14:32:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a [[Special:Api]] to allow access of the Api through alternate syntax - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12905  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:32:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please install Extension:SubPageList2 on Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12923 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (mccormack)
[14:33:19] <CIA-41>	03thomasv * r30570 10/trunk/extensions/ProofreadPage/proofread.js: minor
[14:35:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please install Extension:SubPageList2 on Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12923   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[14:38:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Search for contributions for more than one user in one request to api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12912  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:49:46] <CIA-41>	03mkroetzsch * r30571 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_Linear.php SMW_DV_Number.php): 
[14:49:46] <CIA-41>	Do not display redundant tooltip when a non-canonical display unit was used (i.e. some alternative writting of a unit is used as diplay unit).
[14:49:46] <CIA-41>	Bug 12688.
[14:49:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) property with a single [[Display units]] has redundant pop-up - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12688  (10mak)
[14:50:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add URL-friendly function as a complement of {{ns:namespace}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12920  (10anon.hui)
[14:54:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add namespace aliases to MessagesRu - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12924 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (vasilvv)
[14:54:35] <VasilievVV>	Nikerabbit: done
[14:54:37] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30572 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ (ContributionScores.i18n.php ContributionScores.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[14:55:56] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: you can fix bug 12924 by yourself, can't you?
[14:56:07] <VasilievVV>	yes, i think...
[14:59:05] <CIA-41>	03mkroetzsch * r30573 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/skins/SMW_sorttable.js: Remove double / from image paths (Bug 12496)
[14:59:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Sort icon broken on Special:Ask or Ask tag - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12496  (10mak)
[14:59:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add URL-friendly function as a complement of {{ns:namespace}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12920  (10anon.hui)
[15:02:09] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30574 10/trunk/extensions/Contributionseditcount/ (Contributionseditcount.i18n.php Contributionseditcount.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[15:06:23] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30575 10/trunk/extensions/ContributionScores/ContributionScores.i18n.php: Link to special page in extension description
[15:09:55] <kennethr>	how would I find out the features that are in 1.11 that are not in 1.6?  Are there any reasons not to use 1.6?
[15:10:13] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: Look at the release notes for 1.7-1.11
[15:10:23] <kennethr>	where would I find those?
[15:10:24] <RoanKattouw>	For a short summary, look at Wikipedia's article on MediaWiki
[15:10:32] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: Somewhere on www.mediawiki.org
[15:11:53] <kennethr>	thanks RoanKattouw
[15:13:01] <CIA-41>	03grondin * r30576 10/trunk/extensions/Contributors/ (Contributors.i18n.php Contributors.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[15:14:37] <Zach>	if $wgEnotifUserTalk is enabled and I make an edit to my own talk page, do i get an email?
[15:19:11] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30577 10/trunk/extensions/Contributors/Contributors.i18n.php: article -> page
[15:26:57] <kennethr>	what version of mediawiki is wikipedia.org using?
[15:27:42] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: 1.12apha, afaik. look at Special:Version
[15:31:51] <Zach>	if $wgEnotifUserTalk is enabled and I make an edit to my own talk page, do i get an email?
[15:32:04] <RoanKattouw>	Zach: I don't think so
[15:32:13] <kennethr>	thanks Duesentrieb
[15:33:18] <kennethr>	anyone know how stable the mediawiki code at 1.11 is?  or 1.12alpha for that matter?  It seems that wikipedia.org is pretty stable, but I don't know what kind of administration resources are going into keeping it up.  Anyon have insight to this?
[15:33:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	1.11 is the most current stable version of MediaWiki
[15:33:48] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: Well most of your resources will be reverting vandalism and other stuff
[15:33:56] <RoanKattouw>	Nothing to do with the stability of the software
[15:34:02] <RoanKattouw>	Just go with 1.11.1
[15:34:51] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: wikimedia can run the alpha version because it has the lead developers around avery day to fix stuff when it breaks.
[15:34:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add marker that forces a template to be always substituted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2003  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:35:21] <kennethr>	RoanKattouw: may I ask your credentials?  what authority do you have to speak to this subject?
[15:35:43] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: I'm Catrope, one of the 10 most active developers here
[15:35:57] <RoanKattouw>	Or one of the 12, don't quote me on that ;)
[15:35:57] <kennethr>	Duesentrieb: exactly...do I have to worry about having a wiki developer around if I'm running 1.11?
[15:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	No, not really
[15:36:10] <kennethr>	RoanKattouw: ok, thanks
[15:36:13] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: you don't need to take his word (or mine). 1.11.1 is the latest official release.
[15:36:15] <RoanKattouw>	There are loads of wikis out there that run 1.11 just fine
[15:38:24] <kennethr>	RoanKattouw: is a list of wiki's which use 1.11 compiled anywhere?
[15:38:42] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: how would that be possible?
[15:38:51] <Duesentrieb>	people download it and use it as they like.
[15:38:59] <Duesentrieb>	it's not like we would erquire licenses or something.
[15:39:13] <kennethr>	no, just curious
[15:39:15] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: Not really. I do know about Battlestar Wiki <http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/> , but that's just because I'm an admin there
[15:39:28] <kennethr>	I see mozilla is running 1.10.2
[15:39:37] <RoanKattouw>	Bad for them
[15:39:41] <kennethr>	why?
[15:39:46] <RoanKattouw>	They should at the *very least* use 1.10.3
[15:39:50] <RoanKattouw>	Latest security fix
[15:40:06] <kennethr>	gotcha
[15:40:16] <Duesentrieb>	lots of people don't bother to upgrade
[15:40:30] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki releases are (in theory) querterly snapshots.
[15:40:52] <Duesentrieb>	hm... isn't 1.12 due sometimes soon? but i havn't felt the usual excitement...
[15:41:08] <kennethr>	any other major wiki using mediawiki out there?
[15:41:11] <CIA-41>	03catrope * r30578 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php): (bug 12912) Made list=usercontribs' ucuser a multival. Concretely, this means you can grab contribs for multiple users at once (there is a catch, though, see comments on bug).
[15:41:14] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Brion once said he'd review&release next week
[15:41:19] <RoanKattouw>	He said that about a month ago xD
[15:41:31] <RoanKattouw>	I guess the one to ask about 1.12 is Brion
[15:41:32] <Duesentrieb>	as usual
[15:41:37] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah :P
[15:41:44] <RoanKattouw>	kennethr: Maybe wikia.org?
[15:41:53] <RoanKattouw>	Check their Special:Version page to see what they run
[15:42:03] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: lots and lots. yea, all or wikia. wikitravel is big, too. wikihow is well known.
[15:42:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	Roan: s/org/com ;-)
[15:42:41] <Jack_Phoenix>	Wikia's running on 1.12alpha...too old code IMO, no new toys or anything cool, like protecting pages from creation and such
[15:42:43] <Duesentrieb>	i get 16 million hits for "powered by mediawiki" :)
[15:42:52] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: wikia.org works just fine for me
[15:43:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	o_O
[15:43:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	I guess they've bought the domain too or something, then :P
[15:43:14] <RoanKattouw>	Redirects to .com
[15:43:28] <RoanKattouw>	:O 1.10alpha it says here
[15:43:54] <kennethr>	wikihow is 1.9.3
[15:44:15] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: yea, i think because it's massively customized. hard to merge i guess
[15:44:23] <RoanKattouw>	:O People are running a lot of stone age code out there
[15:44:29] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, that'll be it
[15:44:37] <RoanKattouw>	Wikia's API has some custom modules
[15:44:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: wikia.com is on 1.10alpha, all other wikis like Wookieepedia are on 1.12alpha :)
[15:45:03] <Duesentrieb>	what was the name of the wiki the CIA etc use? isn't it mediawiki-based too?
[15:45:07] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[15:45:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  Search for contributions for more than one user in one request to api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12912  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:45:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <substonly> and <nosubst> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4484  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:46:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <substonly> and <nosubst> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4484  -need-parsertest -need-review -parser -patch  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:47:02] <kennethr>	any way to see when a mediawiki instance was installed?
[15:47:13] <flyingparchment>	kennethr: first edit to the main page
[15:47:51] <alnokta>	what if it was deleted?
[15:48:02] <kennethr>	flyingparchment: what if it was upgraded?
[15:48:07] <Duesentrieb>	first log entry may work too
[15:48:08] <kennethr>	does that still work?
[15:48:14] <flyingparchment>	kennethr: upgrading doesn't change the edit history
[15:48:24] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: page histories are preserved through updates of course.
[15:48:24] <flyingparchment>	Duesentrieb: i don't think installing the software creates a log entry, though
[15:48:33] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: it would be VERY bad if that wasn't so.
[15:48:57] <kennethr>	right, so I could install 1.6 back in the day....and then upgrade to 1.12alpha....so the first edit to Main_Page isn't a good way to find install date.
[15:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: i have no idea, actually :)#
[15:49:05] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30579 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesRu.php: $specialPageAliases should remain absent for Russian, as this causes confusion instead of adding a better localised look and feel. Removed per discussion on Betawiki/irc.
[15:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: creating the initial user might
[15:49:45] <alnokta>	kennethr) it is, unless it was deleted.
[15:50:30] <kennethr>	so how could I tell when a given mediawiki version was upgraded to/installed?
[15:50:30] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: install data of what? of the first version, or of the current version?
[15:50:36] <kennethr>	current
[15:50:48] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Only if the newuserlog extension was installed *before* the wiki was installed, which is impossible ;)
[15:51:02] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: why would you want that? you can try to look at the last-modified header of some css or js file
[15:51:04] <alnokta>	Duesentrieb) did you know that your comments yesterday made f ilni k not write the bot?
[15:51:25] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: hm, true :) silly that that should be an extension. should really be in core.
[15:51:46] <kennethr>	Duesentrieb: just to see when these different sites installed their instances....how soon after release
[15:51:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	newuserlog in core? about time :D
[15:52:15] <kennethr>	Duesentrieb: make sense?
[15:52:33] <Duesentrieb>	alnokta: oh? well, i don't see too much point in such a bot. but it wouldn't be hard to make it play "nice", so i don't see what made him not write it.
[15:52:46] <kennethr>	Duesentrieb: I'm trying to gauge mediawiki stability when considering installing it in an implementation.
[15:52:59] <kennethr>	or at least gauge perceived stability. ;)
[15:53:39] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: not sure how that would help you. mediawikis update frequency is higher than what most people botehr with. tjhe best you cando is upgrade soon, and apply security upgrades immediatly.
[15:53:40] <flyingparchment>	what does install date have to do with stability?
[15:53:58] <Duesentrieb>	kennethr: the install date will tell you more about the admin's schedule than about mediawiki.
[15:54:03] <kennethr>	right
[15:54:08] <kennethr>	I understand
[15:54:18] <alnokta>	Duesentrieb) because you dislike it ;)
[15:54:54] <Duesentrieb>	well, i'm afraid wi'll all have to live with that
[15:59:46] <alnokta>	Duesentrieb) yes i'm a bit angry of you :P
[16:00:03] <CIA-41>	03rotem * r30580 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[16:00:06] <Duesentrieb>	for saying i don't like the idea?
[16:00:08] <Duesentrieb>	*shrug*
[16:01:30] <alnokta>	no, for the its consequences
[16:01:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) User rights log doesn't reflect removing of sysop rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12925 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Eugene.Zelenko)
[16:03:04] *Simetrical 	wonders why עליכם instead of עליך
[16:04:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User rights log doesn't reflect removing of sysop rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12925  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:05:22] <alnokta>	Simetrical) what is that?
[16:05:27] <Simetrical>	What is what?
[16:06:22] <alnokta>	עליכם instead of עליך
[16:06:34] <Simetrical>	Hebrew.  A change in Rotem's commit just above, that I was wondering about.
[16:06:57] <Simetrical>	I'm an Orthodox Jew, so I sometimes have fun reading his localization commits, which I mostly understand.  But hardly on a native level.
[16:07:29] <Simetrical>	Actually, it wasn't a change in the commit, it was already there before.  It uses the plural instead of the singular to refer to the reader of the e-mail.
[16:07:32] <Simetrical>	An idiom, I guess.
[16:08:03] <fishsponge>	hey people - just untar'd mediawiki 1.6.10 and having a little trouble
[16:08:15] <alnokta>	ah
[16:09:06] <fishsponge>	i've untar'd it into "DocumentRoot/w/" and setup a *WORKING* rewrite rule to redirect /wiki/* to /w/*
[16:09:32] <fishsponge>	but even without the rewrite, i get this error: Warning: main(includes/SiteConfiguration.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /rmt/project/crl-intranet/w/includes/DefaultSettings.php on line 31
[16:10:53] <fishsponge>	permissions are good (755 for dirs, 644 for files, and 777 for the config dir
[16:14:09] <fishsponge>	for reference, it's a bug, right out of the box in 1.6.10! lol
[16:14:13] <armin>	Hello. I have a MediaWiki 1.6 mysql dump and would like to install it on the latest stable (1.11.1), what steps are necessary to get the dump up to date?
[16:14:37] <fishsponge>	line 31 in DefaultSettings.php reads "require_once( 'includes/SiteConfiguration.php' );" but it *SHOULD* read "require_once( 'SiteConfiguration.php' );"
[16:14:42] <alnokta>	fishsponge) may be try the webserver's channel? #apache #lighttpd #windows
[16:15:08] <fishsponge>	alnokta: this is a mediawiki problem, not apache though, as i've just fixed it by editing mediawiki's code!
[16:15:31] <alnokta>	not a rewrite problem?
[16:16:22] <fishsponge>	no, because i bypassed the rewrite and went straight to the "w" directory
[16:16:26] <fishsponge>	and it's fixed now anyway, see above
[16:17:08] <alnokta>	i installed 1.6.10 many times and it always work
[16:17:28] <fishsponge>	hmm... what does line 31 in DefaultSettings.php say for you?
[16:17:40] <Simetrical>	armin, I imagine it would work if you just imported the dump and then ran maintenance/update.php.
[16:18:10] <armin>	Simetrical: okay, I'll give it a try (now) :)
[16:18:41] <Simetrical>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_6/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?annotate=20012
[16:18:58] <Simetrical>	It does say that, doesn't it?
[16:19:01] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[16:19:05] <Simetrical>	Is there a chdir() above?
[16:19:12] <Simetrical>	Oh, of course.
[16:19:23] <Simetrical>	Isn't PHP's behavior to search all conceivable paths?
[16:19:31] <Simetrical>	Or something stupid like that?
[16:19:51] <Simetrical>	Usually we get the absolute path of the current file and prepend that to everything to avoid that, I think.
[16:19:54] <Simetrical>	Or at least sometimes we do
[16:19:54] <Simetrical>	.
[16:21:11] <Simetrical>	It should still probably be changed.
[16:21:33] <Simetrical>	Still there in trunk.
[16:21:33] <Simetrical>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?annotate=20012
[16:21:56] <Simetrical>	I would change it, but I'm too lazy to test the change right now, and it seems to work for virtually everyone, after all.
[16:22:04] <Simetrical>	I'm supposed to be studying math right now, not software.
[16:22:25] <armin>	Simetrical: I'm supposed to be studying physics
[16:23:11] <Simetrical>	Actually, I'm supposed to be doing that too.
[16:23:16] <Simetrical>	But mainly math.
[16:25:03] <armin>	Simetrical: I get an error while importing: ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 3496: You have an error in your SQL syntax ... blablabla
[16:25:28] <armin>	I think the dump was made using mysql 4 and now i'm on mysql 5 
[16:25:34] <armin>	can mediawiki update the sql dump?
[16:26:17] <Simetrical>	armin, the "blablabla" is kind of important.  ;)
[16:26:21] <Simetrical>	That I don't know.
[16:26:27] <Simetrical>	Er, no, MediaWiki can't.
[16:26:31] <Simetrical>	This is all MySQL's ballpark.
[16:26:35] <armin>	this may be flooding: 
[16:26:35] <armin>	check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'release (
[16:26:35] <armin>	  id int(11) NOT NULL default '0',
[16:26:35] <armin>	  distro int(11) NOT NULL default '' at line 1
[16:26:36] <Simetrical>	You might try #mysql.
[16:26:52] <Simetrical>	Er, those aren't standard MediaWiki tables, are they?
[16:27:00] <Simetrical>	Maybe "release" is a reserved word in MySQL 5?
[16:27:27] <armin>	that would be ... stupid?
[16:29:16] <Simetrical>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/reserved-words.html
[16:29:26] <Simetrical>	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/reserved-words.html
[16:29:28] <Simetrical>	There you have it.
[16:29:44] <Simetrical>	Make sure all the identifiers are escaped, like `release`, and it will work.
[16:30:14] <Simetrical>	Of course you have to do that in every query involving the table.
[16:32:58] <fishsponge>	hey people - i've just installed 1.6.10 with a working mod_rewrite rule, but when i request "http://intranet/wiki/Main_Page" i get a response that says "301 Moved Permanently" to "http://intranet/wiki/Main_Page" - why is this happening?? lol
[16:34:53] <fishsponge>	http://intranet/wiki -> 301 Moved Permanently -> http://intranet/wiki/Main_Page
[16:35:16] <fishsponge>	http://intranet/wiki/Main_Page -> 301 Moved Permanently -> http://intranet/wiki/Main_Page
[16:35:41] <fishsponge>	why is this happening? lol, my .htaccess line looks like this:   RewriteRule ^wiki(/)?(.*)$ /w/index.php/$1 [L,QSA]
[16:36:25] <Zach>	rewrite infinite loop
[16:37:48] <fishsponge>	ah, but it's not an infinite rewrite loop, because     ^wiki(/)?(.*)$     points at     /w/index.php/$1     - how is that infinite?
[16:38:21] <armin>	Simetrical: you mean instead of: create table release to make it create table 'release' ?
[16:38:29] <flyingparchment>	fishsponge: what is $wgArticlePath set to?
[16:38:38] <fishsponge>	and my LocalSettings.php is here: http://pastebin.ca/892672
[16:40:30] <ialex>	fishsponge: and with $wgUsePathInfo = true; ?
[16:41:01] <fishsponge>	again... my LocalSettings.php is here: http://pastebin.ca/892672
[16:41:07] <fishsponge>	:-)
[16:41:54] <ialex>	fishsponge: try to put it in LocalSettings.php
[16:44:37] <fishsponge>	ialex: that makes no difference...
[16:45:12] <fishsponge>	flyingparchment: did you see the LocalSettings.php file?
[16:45:24] <CIA-41>	03yaron * r30581 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fix for PHP notice messages
[16:45:30] <ialex>	and /w/index.php/$2 as target for rewrite rule ?
[16:46:57] <Simetrical>	armin, backticks, not single quotes.  `release`, not 'release'.
[16:46:59] <Simetrical>	But yes.
[16:47:04] <Simetrical>	You'll also have to change any queries that use it.
[16:47:07] <Simetrical>	Or just rename the table.
[16:47:13] <Simetrical>	(And then still change any queries that use it.)
[16:48:17] <armin>	Simetrical: in short: eregi_replace("CREATE TABLE (.[a-zA-Z])", "CREATE TABLE `\\\1`", $input) ?
[16:49:19] <fishsponge>	can anyone help me with my infinite rewrite/redirect route? /wiki/Main_Page has a 301 Redirect to /wiki/Main_Page and i dont' know why!
[16:50:22] <ialex>	fishsponge: and /w/index.php/$2 as target for rewrite rule ?
[16:50:50] <bcrosby>	im trying to set up "math" support and am currently getting: "Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert): 0" errors (when trying to do <math>0</math> as a test) I've followed the instructions at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_math_errors with no success
[16:51:05] <bcrosby>	any tips?
[16:51:16] <fishsponge>	ialex: hmm... let me try that...
[16:52:31] <NicDumZ>	Simetrical: is there is a mailing list thread, or a wiki page, somewhere, about SUL ? You know... what technical problems stand, what ethical debates there might be, and so on ?
[16:52:50] <fishsponge>	ialex: "$wgArticlePath      = "$wgScript/$1";" works but then i'm not getting my nice URLs...
[16:53:30] <fishsponge>	i'm trying to replicate what i have on my 1.11 wiki, and what Wikipedia uses (articles under /wiki/Main_Page and edits etc... under /w/index.php/Main_Page?action=edit)
[16:54:50] <ialex>	fishsponge: if you have access to httpd.conf (and if you use apache) you can use an alias
[16:55:07] <fishsponge>	ok, how do i do that? :-)
[16:55:44] <ialex>	fishsponge: you knew where it is ?
[16:55:53] <fishsponge>	where ehat is?
[16:55:56] <fishsponge>	where what is?
[16:56:06] <ialex>	httpd.conf
[16:56:22] <fishsponge>	yeah... well, i have virtual hosts here, but yeah - i know the equivalent
[16:57:04] <ialex>	fishsponge: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Recommended_configuration_.28Used_on_Wikipedia.29
[17:02:12] <fishsponge>	ialex: perfect - alias done, and working like a dream! by far the simplest approach
[17:12:51] <bcrosby>	does anyone have any other resource I can look at (website) to help me diagnose my math problem?
[17:21:08] <BjornW>	Can somebody tell me how I can enable the table create button in the the standard mediawiki toolbar?
[17:33:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <substonly> and <nosubst> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4484  (10voyagerfan5761)
[17:33:31] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, doubt it.
[17:34:06] <NicDumZ>	mmh... thanks !
[17:36:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{substall:foo}} beside {{subst:bar}} - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2777  (10voyagerfan5761)
[17:38:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transcluded substitutions are treated as literals ( neither transcluded nor substituted) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5453  (10voyagerfan5761)
[17:40:21] <CIA-41>	03rotem * r30582 10/trunk/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php: Making type=comment actually work.
[17:41:42] <bcrosby>	*yawn*
[17:45:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Rename user doesn't move the block log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12926 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (snowolf)
[17:58:34] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Rename user doesn't move the block log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12926  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:58:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Update block log when renaming an account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7011  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:00:15] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Lessthan
[18:00:23] <AzaTht>	ugliest hack ever?
[18:04:56] <calmond>	how do you reset site statistics for MW?
[18:05:00] <calmond>	need to reset all counters
[18:06:59] <calmond>	is this the right group to ask?  Is there a MW Adminisrators channel?
[18:07:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add MediaWiki to http://download.wikimedia.org/ - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12849  +comment (10brion)
[18:08:03] <VasilievVV>	brion: any progress on reviewing new features (image redirects, history merging)?
[18:08:31] <brion>	i'm mostly done with PdfHandler :)
[18:09:12] <VasilievVV>	:)
[18:09:24] <VasilievVV>	What's next in your TODO list?
[18:11:09] <ialex>	calmond: you can run initStats.php script in the maintenance directory
[18:12:36] <NicDumZ>	pdfhandler ?
[18:13:07] <calmond>	thank you ialex!
[18:14:01] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30583 10/trunk/ (16 files in 15 dirs): Localisation updates German
[18:20:32] <VasilievVV>	brion: what about introducing ipb_user_text and log_user_text columns?
[18:20:48] <brion>	could be done
[18:21:05] <VasilievVV>	It would be useful for crosswiki blocks
[18:23:20] <nature_>	I'm not all that experienced with security but is it a bad idea to set wgCookiePrefix to the database name?
[18:23:41] <VasilievVV>	not
[18:23:42] <VasilievVV>	*no
[18:24:34] <nature_>	isn't your db name something youd try to keep on the downlow, or is it no secret?
[18:24:40] <armin>	does mediawiki 1.11.1 use the user table for user rights or the user_rights table?
[18:25:15] <master__>	Is it possible to setup a read-only wiki front-end that points to a database in use r/w by another front-end?
[18:25:23] <ialex>	armin: user_rights table
[18:25:25] <master__>	by front end, i mean apache/php server
[18:25:42] <armin>	ialex: so to make a user a bureaucrat, what do i have to do (sql-wise) ?
[18:27:34] <armin>	i tried setting the values to USER_ID, 'sysop, bureaucrat'
[18:27:46] <ialex>	insert into user_groups(ug_user, ug_group) values( 1, 'bureaucrat' ); if the user *id* is 1
[18:27:53] <bcrosby>	so texvc produces a .tex file and thats it
[18:27:59] <bcrosby>	no png,ps, or dvi
[18:28:13] <armin>	ialex: user id is 76
[18:28:24] <ialex>	armin: then replace 1 by 76
[18:28:30] <armin>	and i did that but it didn't work
[18:28:56] <ialex>	there was an error ?
[18:29:08] <armin>	nop
[18:29:13] <armin>	just doesn't work
[18:29:30] <VasilievVV>	brion: btw, can you grant me andminship on bugzilla so I can kill spammers and perform some maintenance tasks (creating new components, reviewing quips)?
[18:31:12] <ialex>	armin: you can see what there is in that table ?
[18:31:24] <armin>	ialex: sure, i'm using the mysql client
[18:31:55] <ialex>	armin: and maybe put it into http://rafb.net/paste/
[18:32:33] <armin>	here: http://rafb.net/p/e2T1zv43.html
[18:32:52] <armin>	did i misspell?
[18:33:24] <ialex>	if think the table is user_groups
[18:33:59] <ialex>	* i
[18:34:03] <armin>	ialex: which looks funny: http://rafb.net/p/PKQfj836.html
[18:34:29] <ialex>	this is normal
[18:35:04] <ialex>	insert the value from user_rights to user_groups
[18:35:35] <armin>	ialex: did that: http://rafb.net/p/Hjo4O195.html
[18:35:43] <armin>	should i log in/out ?
[18:36:02] <ialex>	do you use a cache ?
[18:36:40] <armin>	no
[18:36:52] <armin>	uu, seems it works
[18:37:04] <armin>	lemme check it out
[18:37:22] <armin>	eureka, works. ialex, thanks a lot.
[18:37:28] <ialex>	:)
[18:37:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) autocompletestrings array entries are defined multiple times - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12927 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[18:39:52] <master__>	nobody knows how to make a read-only mediawiki front-end?
[18:40:18] <VasilievVV>	yes
[18:40:23] <ialex>	master__: you can set $wgReadOnly = "This wiki is read only";
[18:40:30] <VasilievVV>	!wg GroupPermissions | master__
[18:40:30] --mwbot--	master__: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgGroupPermissions
[18:41:03] <VasilievVV>	ialex: i don't recommend to use $wgReadOnly. It's for maintenance and doesn't allow to run cache updates
[18:41:06] <master__>	ialex: ok.. so i can have a read-only versoin on one apache server that won't conflict with the read/write version on another apache server?
[18:41:37] <master__>	ialex: sharing the same database..
[18:42:02] <VasilievVV>	master__: yes
[18:42:14] <VasilievVV>	You should also use the same caching
[18:44:53] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30584 10/trunk/extensions/ (BadImage/BadImage.i18n.php ConfirmEdit/ConfirmEdit.i18n.php): Localisation updates German. Oops...
[18:44:57] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30585 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Change message 'prefs-watchlist-days' to "Days to show in watchlist:" (thanks to AlexSm)
[18:45:46] <CIA-41>	03siebrand * r30586 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Oops, committed before saving.
[18:52:20] <calmond>	(ialex) initStats.php seems *only* update the counters - not reset them to zero - I need to reset site stat counters to zero
[18:52:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Templates used on this page" should reflect what's being edited - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878  (10matthew.britton)
[18:53:07] <CIA-41>	03raymond * r30587 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ (ParserFunctions.i18n.php ParserFunctions.php): 
[18:53:07] <CIA-41>	* (bug 12739) Use wfMsgForContent for a category name
[18:53:07] <CIA-41>	* Add 'descriptionmsg' for [[Special:Version]]
[18:53:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Change wfMsg to wfMsgForContent for message " pfunc_max_ifexist_category" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12739  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[19:08:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow textareas to be autocompleted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12928 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:10:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add parameter to field definition that triggers multi-value autocompletion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12929 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (bugzilla.wikimedia.org)
[19:12:37] <zeefreak>	i was hoping that someone could help me out. i'm trying to get the 'E-mail password' button on my mediawiki login page. i see it on mediawiki.org, but am not finding any documentation on it.
[19:14:26] <avar>	look at the source for the login template and see why it adds it
[19:15:49] <zeefreak>	where would i be able to see that?
[19:16:44] <zeefreak>	title=Special:Userlogin&action=edit doesn't work.
[19:18:38] <malafaya>	hi guys. regarding the BadImage extension, what is the meaning of Bad in this context? invalid?
[19:18:44] <malafaya>	bad quality?
[19:19:02] <malafaya>	i need to localize these messages, whence the question
[19:19:21] <ialex>	calmond: the views counter ?
[19:22:03] <zeefreak>	avar title=MediaWiki:UserLogin&action=edit is blank
[19:22:12] <zeefreak>	and on mediawiki.org, i don't have permission to view it.
[19:22:50] <avar>	I mean look at the html source, find out what <input id it's using, grep the php source for that, find out why it's being conditionally included
[19:23:00] <avar>	I'd guess because you don't have an smtp server set or something like that
[19:23:10] <zeefreak>	ah
[19:23:38] <Nakon>	malafaya: it's designed to prevent images that may be objectional (shock images) from showing up on pages.  It replaces the image display with a link to the image
[19:24:02] <malafaya>	Nakon, thank you.
[19:34:16] <Cal>	is there a way to internall link to the recent changes patrol log?
[19:34:23] <Cal>	*internally
[19:36:11] <Nakon>	Cal: [[Special:Log/patrol]] ?
[19:37:04] <Wiredtape>	Hey all, I was wondering what kind of stuff can I ask mw to report through irc? other than rc, for instance, maybe user signup? or anything else.. 
[19:37:24] <Cal>	thanks, but I need to link to a specific user's patrol log
[19:37:40] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: user sign ups show up in that too
[19:37:45] <OverlordQ>	or maybe not
[19:37:48] <OverlordQ>	ignore me
[19:37:57] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, I was actually looking at your page a sec ago :)
[19:38:02] <Wiredtape>	I don't think they do..
[19:38:58] <Wiredtape>	I was more interested in possibly creating a path tree, to see what pages people usually go to.. (of course with privacy restrictions, as to what the person's ip is and so on..
[19:39:54] <bcrosby>	hmm
[19:40:09] <bcrosby>	so it turns out latex is producing an error when trying to render math stuff
[19:40:13] <bcrosby>	anyone here know much about latex?
[19:40:17] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: yea, new users show up in rc feed
[19:40:29] <zeefreak>	avar i'm grepping LocalSettings.php for wpMailmypassword, and its not in there. that seems to be what id mediawiki.org is using.
[19:42:35] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, do you have any idea what the class the irc uses?
[19:42:40] <Wiredtape>	* irc bot
[19:43:25] <OverlordQ>	what the what? WP just sends a formatted string to whereever you specify, how it gets to IRC is left as an exercise to the reader
[19:44:16] <Wiredtape>	how do u specify where it sends to/
[19:44:18] <Wiredtape>	?
[19:44:35] <ialex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#UDP_updates
[19:44:54] <Wiredtape>	ialex, thx
[19:48:40] <Wiredtape>	ialex, is there a way to specify certain things I want to send? (for instance, the page title someone is viewing?)
[19:49:14] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: you'd have to hack together the extension or WP itself for that
[19:49:20] <OverlordQ>	s/the/an/
[19:50:38] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, I understand that.. I'm actually asking what functions are used to send stuff.. 
[19:52:13] <OverlordQ>	a nice udp socket
[19:52:22] <OverlordQ>	only functions really are things to make it pretty
[19:53:02] <OverlordQ>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/RecentChange.php?annotate=29541
[19:53:07] <OverlordQ>	line 210 or there abouts
[19:56:53] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, k thx
[20:06:11] <Wiredtape>	what does $wgRCShowWatchingUsers do?
[20:07:11] <ialex>	Wiredtape: maybe that : http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ARecentchanges&namespace=0&trailer=
[20:07:30] <ialex>	(number in brackets at the end of the line)
[20:10:57] <Wiredtape>	displayes the amount of users watching a certain change? (users who have chosen to "watch" a page?)
[20:11:47] <ialex>	i think so
[20:12:23] <Wiredtape>	ialex, thx
[20:19:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special page for errors during parse. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12930 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (hartman)
[20:28:31] <facefaceface>	helooo... how do I set the 'mailto' subject in wiki syntax?
[20:29:49] <facefaceface>	can it be done for a start? and if so which manual page describes it?
[20:31:47] <Wiredtape>	facefaceface, what do you mean?
[20:32:16] <darkcode>	[mailto:info@example.org?Subject={{urlencode:Subject name}} info]
[20:32:35] <facefaceface>	I think in HTML you can say <A href="mailto:someone@some.domain" subject="hi matey">Send me an email</A>
[20:33:16] <facefaceface>	darkcode, cool... can I use ... looks like I can {{PAGENAME}} within that?
[20:33:27] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[20:34:05] <facefaceface>	ah gotta love that bot!
[20:34:31] <facefaceface>	sorry MinuteElectron , talking to my pybot
[20:35:22] <facefaceface>	Hey! it even works!
[20:36:35] <darkcode>	yes, you could use [mailto:{{urlencode:{{{1}}}}}@{{urlencode{{{2}}}}}?Subject={{PAGENAMEE}} Email about {{PAGENAME}}] for example
[20:36:55] <facefaceface>	darkcode, nice
[20:39:42] <facefaceface>	Only thing is that those +'s come through into the subject, which isn't really what you'd expect
[20:42:25] <facefaceface>	Neither is the _ from PAGENAMEE ... I suppose I want &amp;
[20:42:56] <CIA-41>	03tlaqua * r30588 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordReset/ (4 files): 
[20:42:56] <CIA-41>	* Added Special Page to list Disabled users
[20:42:56] <CIA-41>	* Reworked message cache population
[20:43:17] <CIA-41>	03nikerabbit * r30589 10/trunk/extensions/CleanChanges/CleanChanges_body.php: * Fix log display
[20:54:48] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, does POE::Component::IRC (5.58) fit what you describe to install the bot you created?
[20:57:11] <MinuteElectron>	How do people go about checking out extensions here, I want to be able to commit updates to extensions to the repo in one commit rather than multiple ones for each extension - but I don't want to have to have to check out the entire extensions directory which is quite large?
[20:58:39] <TimLaqua>	eh?
[20:58:46] <TimLaqua>	I checkout the entire extensions folder
[20:58:56] *MinuteElectron 	doesn't want to.
[20:59:16] <TimLaqua>	if you checked it out when you thought about checking it out the first time, you'd have it all set by now
[20:59:38] <MinuteElectron>	fair enough,I'll move my development environment to my home computer then
[20:59:41] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, i check them out on a case by case basis.. 
[20:59:57] <TimLaqua>	i have trunk/phase3 checked out and trunk/extensions checked out on multiple computers
[21:00:16] <Wiredtape>	but commiting the updates at large would be a problem without checking out the entire folder.. (i think..)
[21:00:19] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: Yeah, but I can't work out how to do that while still only checking out a single repository so i can commit changes to multiple extension at the same time.
[21:00:22] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[21:00:34] <MinuteElectron>	that's my point
[21:00:40] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: I'm going to do that :)
[21:00:40] <Wiredtape>	right, i know :)
[21:00:46] <TimLaqua>	;-)  good call.
[21:00:49] <iam8up|lpy>	can anyone tell me how to set the background color of one cell in a table?
[21:01:03] <TimLaqua>	works great, get in, update both, go get a coffee, get back and you're ready to break stuff.
[21:01:08] <Wiredtape>	iam8up|lpy, style="background: #color;" 
[21:01:18] <iam8up|lpy>	but where do i put that into the wikicode?
[21:01:19] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: :P
[21:01:33] *MinuteElectron 	really needs to sort out his documents folder.
[21:02:04] <Wiredtape>	lets say this is your table: {|,|-,|style="background: #color;" | text ,|- |}
[21:02:13] <Wiredtape>	no need for the commas of course..
[21:03:34] <iam8up|lpy>	but i want ot have different colored backgrounds for different cells within the same table; that example would cover the entire table
[21:04:30] <MinuteElectron>	iam8up|lpy: no it wouldn';t
[21:04:51] <Wiredtape>	anyone have experience with perl?
[21:05:08] <OverlordQ>	A bit
[21:05:31] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, of course you would, you're the one who wrote the script I am trying to install :)
[21:05:36] <OverlordQ>	lol
[21:05:41] <Wiredtape>	where would I put the rcbot script... ?
[21:05:49] <Wiredtape>	do i need to include the perl directory?
[21:06:09] <OverlordQ>	just put it wherever you want to run it from, as long as the modules are installed, run just fine.
[21:06:12] <iam8up|lpy>	i'm doing something wrong mmm
[21:06:58] <Schroeder2>	dammit
[21:06:58] <Schroeder2>	hot blonde chick just lost on Jeopardy :(
[21:07:04] <Wiredtape>	and i run it by " perl scriptname.pl" ?
[21:08:24] <Fire>	Hey.. I know this is a stupid question.. That anybody build his own computer ? 
[21:08:27] <Fire>	from scratch
[21:08:30] <OverlordQ>	well, i usually background the process and keep it from dying when I log out: nohup ./script.pl &
[21:09:47] <phuzion>	Suppose I store a URL at Mediawiki:Mainsite to link back to my main page's URL, and I want to link to that on my main page.  How would I do that?
[21:09:48] <iam8up|lpy>	MinuteElectron - one more complexity - what if i want two cells in the same row two different colors? mine are grouping together the way i'm trying to do it...
[21:10:09] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, i am failing at line 4 due to "cannot find poe" .. i have the components installed, but since this is a shared server I am guessing they need to be included?
[21:10:17] <iam8up|lpy>	AHH i got it!!! |style="color:green;background-color:#ffffcc;"|1||style="color:green;background-color:#ff0000;"|<font color="orange">Or</font>Wh
[21:10:36] <phuzion>	Fire: I did
[21:11:36] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: probably  need to install the module locally then
[21:13:10] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, i'm going to try and include it.. and see what happens .. thanks for the help
[21:13:14] <Wiredtape>	:)
[21:16:45] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, I included, and ran script.. it seems like it's running, however no response from server.. should it report anything? is there a way to see what's going on?
[21:17:21] <Wiredtape>	rcbot has not connected to server as well..
[21:17:48] <Fire>	phuzion: Could you help me out? 
[21:17:50] <OverlordQ>	change $debug to >= 1
[21:18:12] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, thx
[21:18:15] <phuzion>	Fire, what seems to be the problem, if it has to do with software, there's probably a channel here for you
[21:18:29] <OverlordQ>	it'll spit out a message every time it recieves something, but if you're redirecting stdout nothing will show up
[21:18:34] <Fire>	no, phuzion.. Hrdware ;D
[21:18:42] <phuzion>	Oh, whats the problem?
[21:19:03] <phuzion>	better yet, /msg me
[21:19:33] <phuzion>	because hardware isn't exactly something that this channel supports
[21:20:19] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, it should connect to server though, right?  I am not getting any messages, and I have no idea whether stdout is redirected.. 
[21:20:33] <OverlordQ>	well how are you running it? perl script.pl?
[21:21:13] <Wiredtape>	yup
[21:22:03] <Lars_G>	Hi all
[21:22:04] <OverlordQ>	Get a line saying connected to irc.whatever?
[21:22:36] <Lars_G>	Question, is there any "easy" way to get wikipedia's basic Infobox and all it's requirements into my mediawiki install
[21:22:36] <Wiredtape>	no, I run, and get nothing..
[21:23:08] <OverlordQ>	and you changed the server settings?
[21:23:28] <Lars_G>	I've copied a few templates from wikipedia including infobox, and the parser extension, but  think I miss a few stuff like for example inline html parsing, would this need another extension? what else do I need?
[21:23:33] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: no, because wikipedia doesn't have *basic* infoboxes. it has multiple old convolutes messy solutions.
[21:23:52] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, which server? irc? yes, i am connecting to my locally run ircd..
[21:23:57] <Lars_G>	Well I meant I'd like TemplateInfobox over to my install
[21:23:59] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: inline html parsing alwaqys works. you should tunr on tidy though
[21:24:00] <Lars_G>	err
[21:24:01] <Duesentrieb>	!tidy
[21:24:01] --mwbot--	For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[21:24:07] <Lars_G>	Template:Infobox
[21:24:29] <Lars_G>	Duesentrieb: ok
[21:24:32] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, and router isn't blocking it, I took a look at the firewall log.. 
[21:24:41] <phuzion>	Lars_G, do you have parserfunctions installed?
[21:24:52] <Lars_G>	phuzion: yep
[21:24:57] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: the best option is really to write your own. copying the one from wikipedia is a mess, and writing your own has the benefoit that you know how to change it.
[21:25:28] <Duesentrieb>	it's also likely that you end up with a nicer solution than the bug-by-bug compatible multi-purpose-multi-option mess from wikipedia
[21:26:28] <phuzion>	I have to agree with Duesentrieb here, Lars_G.  Wikipedia has thousands of templates, and its going to be very hard to get every single one that is transcluded for every template that you want to use.  Also, if you write your own, you get a better understanding of how wikis work, and if you contribute to wikipedia, you'll be able to help out more
[21:27:25] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: might try connecting it to freenode
[21:27:33] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(someone could make a collection of nice standard templates)
[21:27:51] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: many irc networks require you to run an ident service (for some odd reason)
[21:28:51] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, hmm, i'm trying to make it connect to my own ircd.. i don't require ident..
[21:29:19] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: use something like netstat to look if the tcp connection comes up
[21:30:30] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, on the shell? I haven't started the script as a background service (because I am still testing it.. ) and therefore I can't...
[21:30:50] <Wiredtape>	i'm going to try freenode..
[21:30:54] <Lars_G>	Ah well tidy helped, and except for some CSS formating Infobox is working sigh
[21:30:55] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: err. you only have ONE shell? what's this? 1988?
[21:31:04] <Wiredtape>	hehe :)
[21:31:09] <Lars_G>	I will decide wether to remake it from scratch or use this one
[21:31:33] <DFire870>	I have a problem with my MediaWiki installation that just happened today
[21:32:05] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: no, seriously... you can always ctrl-z and the send it to the background. and linux comes with 6 virtual shells per default (if you are at the box), or you can just connect multiple times (when using ssh). Also, learn to use screen!
[21:32:43] <Duesentrieb>	--> man screen
[21:32:51] <OverlordQ>	lsof -i | grep <pid of script>
[21:33:03] <OverlordQ>	should see two connections, one listening on an udp port, and one connected to an IRC
[21:33:14] *Duesentrieb 	doesn't use 10% of screen's feature set, but it's still very helpful.
[21:33:36] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, one sec.. (btw, it isn't connecting to freenode either..)
[21:33:57] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: anyway - this is for a irc-rc-bot? you don't really need any perl to do that.
[21:33:58] <OverlordQ>	where are you trying to run this from?
[21:34:19] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, i don't?
[21:34:30] <Duesentrieb>	nope
[21:34:35] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, what do you mean?
[21:34:47] <Duesentrieb>	!rcbot
[21:34:47] --mwbot--	To create an IRC bot to display recent changes to your Wiki, follow the directions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot>.
[21:35:10] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: read the instructions concerning ircII; and note the bit about "./UDPserver.pl <port>, you can also use netcat -lup <port> or socat UDP4-LISTEN:<port> STDOUT"
[21:35:34] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, hmm.. this is on a shared server, I don't know if I can use those..
[21:35:34] <Duesentrieb>	the perl bit there is completely useless, imho
[21:35:43] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, pid of script?
[21:35:43] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: netcat is fairly standard.
[21:36:00] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: process id
[21:36:14] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, I get that.. but how do I check it through ssl?
[21:36:28] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, let me rephrase, I don't know if the host allows it..
[21:36:34] <OverlordQ>	if you call it like: perl script.pl & it will background the process
[21:36:45] <OverlordQ>	and say something like: [2] 14815, where the second number is the pid
[21:37:03] <Wiredtape>	how will i stop the process afterwards?
[21:37:11] <MinuteElectron>	kill pid
[21:37:11] <OverlordQ>	kill <pid>
[21:37:22] <Wiredtape>	ok, thx everyone.. let me try..
[21:37:40] <OverlordQ>	yea just tested the code I put up there, so either module problem or a restriction on the host
[21:37:47] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: learn to use ps, too. and, as i said, screen. much more convenient than using background jobs.
[21:38:01] <Duesentrieb>	(also, background jobs die when you exit the shell)
[21:38:11] <Duesentrieb>	(and nohup sucks. use screen)
[21:38:16] <OverlordQ>	lol
[21:38:43] <Duesentrieb>	...?
[21:39:27] <OverlordQ>	how would I do something similar in screen then?
[21:39:42] <Duesentrieb>	similar to what?
[21:40:01] <OverlordQ>	well you say nohup sucks, use screen so . .  :)
[21:40:15] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, have done "lsof -i | grep <pid> " and see two connections, and supposedly connected to freenode.net
[21:40:15] <Duesentrieb>	type screen, and you are in a virtual shell. start your program. 
[21:40:24] <Wiredtape>	however, it hasn't joined my channel..
[21:40:28] <OverlordQ>	what's the pid?
[21:40:30] <Duesentrieb>	when your connection dies, your program stays alive, and your vistual shell does too
[21:40:46] <Duesentrieb>	after logging in again, you would say screen -rd  to reconnect to it.
[21:40:57] <OverlordQ>	ah, nifty
[21:41:02] <Duesentrieb>	you can also disconnect from the vistual shell (i.e. screen) by typing ctrl-a d
[21:41:03] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ. 32188
[21:41:12] <Duesentrieb>	you can have as many screens open as you like
[21:41:42] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: did you change the bot name?
[21:41:46] <Wiredtape>	i did.. 
[21:42:02] <OverlordQ>	what'd you call it?
[21:42:19] <Wiredtape>	wiredbott
[21:42:23] <Wiredtape>	not connected..
[21:42:49] <Lars_G>	What file would this point to? /mediawiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
[21:42:52] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: anyway - if you are allowed to run perl scripts, it would be silly to not allow you to use netcat or socat. and you can isntall ircII locally for your account. but whatever.#
[21:43:01] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: no file.
[21:43:06] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: it's a wiki page.
[21:43:19] <Lars_G>	It's odd I can only see the source then not edit it.
[21:43:21] <Duesentrieb>	(guessing the title is left as an excersize to the reader)
[21:43:23] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: and it's still running?
[21:43:34] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ as far as I can tell..
[21:43:46] <Duesentrieb>	Lars_G: you can edit it if you are logged in as sysop.
[21:44:03] <Lars_G>	I am logged in as sysop.. or not.. duh
[21:44:04] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, i'm viewing this as more a learning experience than anything else.. I need to write an extension anyway for what I need this to do.. 
[21:44:36] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: ich is why i'm trying to teach you stuff :P
[21:44:47] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, one at a time though :)
[21:44:51] <Wiredtape>	...
[21:45:04] <Duesentrieb>	naw, that's boring.
[21:45:13] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, it is now only connected on udp..
[21:45:17] <Duesentrieb>	overload is the mother of fun fuckups. very educational.
[21:46:42] <OverlordQ>	Wiredtape: copy the code again, I added some extra debugging, be sure to turn it on, it'll spam a bit, but should output why it can't connect
[21:46:45] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, hehe, ok.. i'll take a look at screen again..
[21:48:53] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: it has a LOT of options, modes, commands, etc. i never got the hang of all of them. here are the ones you need: "screen" starts a new session; "ctrl-a d" disconnects from a session; "screen -rd" reconnects to a session;
[21:49:32] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: for scrolling, go to "select mode" by typing "ctrl-a esc"; use cursor to move; to get out again, hit esc.
[21:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	that's all you'll probably ever need to know about screen :)O
[21:50:13] <Lars_G>	Ok infoboxes working even if you all think correctly it's stupid, I'll use them for a while abd when the time allows will change them for my own
[21:50:30] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, will check it out, thx :)
[21:52:56] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, poco registered?
[21:53:14] <OverlordQ>	yea, just means the IRC object starting up
[21:53:50] <Wiredtape>	connection error: timed out...
[21:54:09] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* must be limitation on that host then.
[21:54:13] <Wiredtape>	it's supposedly connecting to freenode..
[21:54:43] <facefaceface>	Cheas maties
[21:54:49] <OverlordQ>	what does the $settings section say?
[21:55:25] <Wiredtape>	freenode and my own ircd
[21:55:56] <OverlordQ>	it's either a problem with that section, or a limitation on the host
[21:57:19] <OverlordQ>	wrong port/address, or the host is filtering outgoing traffic
[21:57:30] <Wiredtape>	OverlordQ, k , i give up :) thanks a lot... i'll have to work on it some more...
[21:57:57] <OverlordQ>	I'd have to say host filterting since it works on my end :)
[21:58:07] <Wiredtape>	:) k..
[22:06:55] <Wiredtape>	do user talk messages to anonymous users ever get systematically cleared? 
[22:09:26] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: Probably not.
[22:09:32] <MinuteElectron>	There doesn't seam much point.
[22:10:01] <OverlordQ>	wow screen *is* nice
[22:10:07] <MinuteElectron>	indeed
[22:10:41] <Wiredtape>	I see a point: if a new user has an ip that was talked with, it might confuse.. 
[22:11:35] <Wiredtape>	i see I have a problem with making complete sentences today :)
[22:11:42] <MinuteElectron>	Well it is either static, in which case the same person will always see teh message; or dynamic in which case there is little point of displaying the new messages message as the person the message is for will likely never be seen again from that IP after 24 or so hours.
[22:12:00] <MinuteElectron>	or shared in which case the later is implied
[22:12:50] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, so what you are saying is that anonymous users should never be messaged? or are you saying they just shouldn't be notified of a message?
[22:13:02] <Wiredtape>	speaking of dynamic ip's..
[22:13:04] <MinuteElectron>	I didn't say either of them.
[22:14:01] <MinuteElectron>	In some instances message notices should be permanent (static ip addresses) in others it should last until the ip address changes (dynamic or shared) - there is no reliable way to detect the later so you may as well just use the former.
[22:15:31] <Wiredtape>	or you could clear them after a certain time period if that ip doesn't show up.. 
[22:15:43] <Wiredtape>	but that would require too much logging..
[22:15:48] <Wiredtape>	and not enough reason
[22:16:29] <MinuteElectron>	Why would you clear it if the IP was permanent, it could still br relevant to them.
[22:17:05] <MinuteElectron>	Clearing after a certain time period assumes all IP addresses are shared or dynamic - which is untrue.
[22:17:25] <Wiredtape>	true..
[22:17:47] <Wiredtape>	you convinced me about 6 lines ago :)
[22:17:53] <MinuteElectron>	:p
[22:18:14] <Wiredtape>	I was just thinking it could save confusion, without thinking it through.. 
[22:18:26] <MinuteElectron>	It would be more useful to clear it after 24 hours if you're going to clear it at all, given that most shared connections auto-reset after that time.
[22:18:38] <MinuteElectron>	Although it would still adversely affect static adddresses.
[22:18:53] <Wiredtape>	i was thinking along the lines of a month..
[22:19:27] <Wiredtape>	let me run a thought by you.. if you don't mind..
[22:19:40] <MinuteElectron>	But TBH if you're editing via an IP address you shouldn't really be bothered about being notified about any messages -- if you need messaging functions that what accounts are for.
[22:19:45] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[22:20:38] <MinuteElectron>	It is difficult to weigh up, affect all static ip address users who use messaging, or reduce confusion for all dynamic or shared up address users.
[22:22:03] <Wiredtape>	I have been deliberating for a while now, whether to implement a "simpler" edit mechanism (such as semanticforms, wyswig (fckeditor), or other options) .. and am mostly arguing with myself over the "freedom factor" - i believe the more open it is, the better.. though, since I am a starting wiki, that dictates it will be harder for me to find contributors.. 
[22:22:36] <MinuteElectron>	ooh, TimLaqua, can you tell me how you connect to svn+ssh via TortoiseSVN if you use it please - I can't figure it out?
[22:22:42] <Wiredtape>	I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this..
[22:23:08] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, go to settings>network.../
[22:24:04] <Wiredtape>	you need to select the ssh client there..
[22:24:29] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: It really depends on the content, if I was setting up a site mostly aimed at data then a strict input system would probably more effective (although would take more time to implement as you'd have to consider the database structure and parser). On the other hand if the site is aimed at article-style pages then freeform would probably work better.
[22:24:38] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: hmm, I did that but Putty says wrong port.
[22:24:48] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30593 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Reorder arbitrary line breaks. No content changes.
[22:25:31] <TimLaqua>	hey MinuteElectron
[22:25:35] <MinuteElectron>	hi
[22:25:46] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, I was contemplating a mix between the two.. like an input form for infoboxes and so on.. or other templates..
[22:26:01] <TimLaqua>	I use the puTTY proxy method
[22:26:05] <MinuteElectron>	That could work, but it dpeneds on teh content.
[22:26:11] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: oh, how does that work?
[22:26:14] <TimLaqua>	er... tunnel....
[22:26:23] <TimLaqua>	setup the connection w/ your key and everything in puTTY
[22:26:29] <TimLaqua>	call it somethin like mwSVN
[22:26:40] <TimLaqua>	then, you connect to that named connection in TortoiseSVN
[22:26:50] <MinuteElectron>	oh, right
[22:26:51] <MinuteElectron>	cool
[22:27:06] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, bureaucracy.. (basically a wiki to help people cut through red tape) (most articles are "article style" and not "data style")
[22:27:14] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30594 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Update URL to Betawiki. Now leads to a localised Main Page, if available.
[22:27:39] <TimLaqua>	don't forget to install pageant if you threw a password on your key
[22:27:47] <MinuteElectron>	coolk
[22:28:13] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: then free form is probably better, but you could use input box style stuff to originally generate a page
[22:28:19] <TimLaqua>	ya, my checkouts look like this: svn+ssh://tlaqua@mwSVN/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3
[22:28:27] <MinuteElectron>	cool
[22:28:57] <OverlordQ>	pageant is nice
[22:29:01] <TimLaqua>	for sure
[22:29:12] <MinuteElectron>	dammit, puttygen corrupts my key when i convert it from openssh to ppk
[22:29:22] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, thx for your thoughts.. :) here's a penny.. :)
[22:29:33] <MinuteElectron>	thanks lol
[22:29:36] <MinuteElectron>	yw
[22:30:42] <Poundo>	is there a global array or var I can sniff to determine if the user has logged in so I can decide what I want to show them?
[22:31:22] <Wiredtape>	poundo, i think it was $wgUser->somemethodgivemeasec..()
[22:31:40] <Poundo>	I have hacked the monobook.php to put up some info and I want to sniff there
[22:32:07] <TimLaqua>	global $wgUser; if ($wgUser->isLoggedIn()) {...}
[22:32:40] <Wiredtape>	exactly..
[22:32:48] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[22:32:59] <Wiredtape>	TimLaqua, beat me to it just as I was about to write it :)
[22:33:41] <Poundo>	Say folks is this info comming out of collective knowledge or is there a place I should be looking for this?
[22:34:04] <TimLaqua>	!docs
[22:34:04] --mwbot--	An overview of available documentation about MediaWiki can be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub>
[22:34:25] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: Whenever I try to use putty I get a invalid port error, did you have to configure anything specifically for that?
[22:34:31] <TimLaqua>	for the most part, if we know it, that just means we've used it before
[22:34:48] <TimLaqua>	ummm....
[22:35:11] <Poundo>	beautiful, Thanks so much to everyone:)
[22:37:03] <TimLaqua>	MinuteElectron: should just be SSH to port 22
[22:37:25] <CIA-42>	03brion * r30595 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MimeMagic.php: Fix for XML type checks... don't look for the closing angle-brace on the root tag, as it may not be in the header chunk we read. Some SVGs have a lot of attributes on the root element!
[22:39:39] <TimLaqua>	once you get your putty connection up and going, like Wiredtape said earlier - you have to do TortoiseSVN>Settings>Network> SSH box ->Browse... and browse to TortoisePlink.exe (located in the TortoiseSVN bin folder)
[22:41:10] <TimLaqua>	oh, and make sure you do the auto-props right http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion/auto-props or someone will shank you
[22:41:53] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: It's like that here....
[22:42:03] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[22:42:06] <MinuteElectron>	tortoiseplink....
[22:42:12] <TimLaqua>	yeah
[22:42:16] <MinuteElectron>	lol
[22:42:21] *MinuteElectron 	stabs self.
[22:42:23] <jlerner_>	trying to export an article using 1.10, import into a site using 1.11 - is that known not to be supported?
[22:42:41] <TimLaqua>	jlerner_: what's the problem?
[22:43:39] <MinuteElectron>	TimLaqua: <3 tyvm
[22:43:40] <jlerner_>	TimLaqua: I get some php errors like 'Warning: xml_parse() [function.xml-parse]: Unable to call handler () in /var/www/fromsvn/source/includes/SpecialImport.php on line 430"
[22:44:16] <jlerner_>	then: "Importing pages.." and "No pages to import. - Import failed: XML import parse failure at line 75, col 10 (byte 3172; " </div> <div"): Mismatched tag
[22:44:16] <jlerner_>	"
[22:44:53] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: that means your export went wrong.
[22:44:54] <jlerner_>	doing normal export to a file, then import the file, it says succeeded, but 0 revisions imported, and the history of the page in question shows no change
[22:45:06] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: <div> should not show up in an xml dump
[22:45:30] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: after exporting, look at the xml you get, and perhaps run it through an xml validator
[22:45:32] <jlerner_>	i don't see a div here, true...
[22:45:34] <jlerner_>	http://guides.organizedwisdom.com/Special:Export/Lymphedema
[22:45:42] <jlerner_>	i'll try, Duesentrieb 
[22:45:51] <jlerner_>	(may be passworded)
[22:45:59] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: lat link leads to an empty export
[22:46:08] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: there's no <page> tag
[22:46:17] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. the page you are trying to export does not exist
[22:46:24] <Duesentrieb>	(or is not exportable for some other reason)
[22:46:26] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: yeah - but it works if you're logged in...
[22:46:33] <jlerner_>	i'll try to validated
[22:46:36] <jlerner_>	s/d//
[22:46:50] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: err - when *doesn't* it work, then? when doing a transwiki import?
[22:47:23] <jlerner_>	transwiki import with correct permissions, also via regular export to a file, then import that file...
[22:48:22] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: transwiki with correct permissions? err, that doesn't work... loading the content from the other wiki will alsways be anonymous.
[22:48:41] <Duesentrieb>	(at least i would be very surprised if it was otherwise)
[22:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	btw, some thoughts about improving error-reporting when importing/exporting: http://brightbyte.de/page/Extending_MediaWiki%27s_dump_format
[22:49:04] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: I just mean it's configured to allow anonymous to view that page... at least it was... this all worked fine in an all 1.10 environment
[22:49:11] <jlerner_>	contents of normal export of the file: http://pastebin.com/d7b9752d3
[22:49:19] <jlerner_>	i'll read, thanks
[22:49:42] <Duesentrieb>	there's no <div> in there...
[22:49:59] <Duesentrieb>	so it shouldn't fail with an error complaining about a div, right?
[22:50:38] <CIA-42>	03brion * r30596 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MimeMagic.php: 
[22:50:38] <CIA-42>	More SVG detection fixes based on tests on files downloaded from commons...
[22:50:38] <CIA-42>	* Make the autodetection work for UTF-16LE and UTF-16BE XML, which never worked before due to using the wrong string compare length
[22:50:38] <CIA-42>	* Allow doctype strings to break over newlines
[22:50:38] <CIA-42>	* Detect XML if there's a doctype even if there's no XML header (the xml header isn't required for UTF-8 files)
[22:50:58] <MinuteElectron>	g'night
[22:51:02] <TimLaqua>	'night
[22:51:34] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: correct...hm
[22:51:39] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30597 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (36 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-05 23:38 CET)
[22:52:08] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: try to copy&paste that xml code and import it
[22:53:41] <jlerner_>	tried to import Lymphedema.xml , it replied: success, but 0 revisions
[22:53:49] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: http://pastebin.com/d7bb64d68
[22:54:27] <jlerner_>	but nothing in the article history:
[22:54:28] <Duesentrieb>	with copy&paste?
[22:54:32] <jlerner_>	http://organizedwisdom.com/index.php?title=Lymphedema&action=history
[22:54:47] <Duesentrieb>	and you are allowed to write to that namespace? and/or create poages tehre?
[22:55:29] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30598 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 
[22:55:29] <CIA-42>	* eol-style:native
[22:55:29] <CIA-42>	* remove some trailing whitespace
[22:55:42] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: 
[22:55:45] <jlerner_>	yes: http://organizedwisdom.com/Test
[22:57:24] <jlerner_>	the obvious difference is version 1.10 on the source, 1.11 on the target..
[22:57:47] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: that's odd. but... we are talking about two separate issues here, right? one about import failing with an error, and one where nothing is imported, without any error.
[22:58:08] <Duesentrieb>	jlerner_: the xml format did not change. it should be completely oblivious of ms version.
[22:58:12] <Duesentrieb>	*mw
[22:58:16] <jlerner_>	yeah
[22:58:16] <jlerner_>	hmmm
[22:58:28] <jlerner_>	could be two separate issues, sure
[22:58:51] <Duesentrieb>	err, how could they *not* be separate?
[22:59:09] <Duesentrieb>	anyway - try enabling the debug log, maybe it can tell you what's going on
[22:59:11] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[22:59:11] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[22:59:19] <jlerner_>	k
[23:00:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Protection log entry on Recent Changes doesn't have links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11699  (10N/A)
[23:01:26] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30599 10/trunk/extensions/ (57 files in 55 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-05 23:38 CET)
[23:04:42] <jlerner_>	Duesentrieb: thanks for your help, i'll let you know what it ends up being...
[23:05:32] <Spoom>	anyone know why all edits on my wiki seem to have a timestamp of 00:33, 1 January 1970, even though my server time is correct?  i've googled and while i've seen a few other wikis that seem to have this problem, i didn't see a solution, and i'm not finding it in that faq
[23:06:04] <Spoom>	php 5, mysql, timezone is set correctly afaik
[23:07:22] <Spoom>	it ends up only showing the first edit, even though the others are inserted, since (i assume) it order by revision date and takes the most recent, and with them all the same it's random
[23:08:30] <Duesentrieb>	Spoom: look at the timestamp fields of the page table.
[23:08:41] <Duesentrieb>	chances are, they are empty or malformed.
[23:09:08] <Duesentrieb>	they should be human-readable dates with no delimiters, like 20080127140622
[23:10:12] <Spoom>	which field is it?  i have the pages table up in phpmyadmin here
[23:10:18] <Duesentrieb>	timestamp
[23:10:33] <Duesentrieb>	hm... oh, sorry
[23:10:36] <Duesentrieb>	revision table
[23:10:46] <Duesentrieb>	rev_timestamp
[23:10:53] <Duesentrieb>	in page, there should be page_touched
[23:11:13] <Spoom>	huh, weird... they're all either 2006 or 2007
[23:11:52] <Spoom>	so it's YYYYMMDDHHMMSSss?
[23:12:19] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[23:12:31] <Duesentrieb>	or, no ss
[23:12:33] <Duesentrieb>	just seconds
[23:12:47] <Spoom>	ok
[23:13:29] <CIA-42>	03brion * r30600 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MimeMagic.php: While we're in there, let's remove a dependency on iconv(). Do the UTF-16 to ASCII merging in the XML checks manually.
[23:14:03] <Spoom>	it's a varchar(4), doesn't seem to want to take seconds
[23:14:25] <Duesentrieb>	well, that's your problem right there
[23:14:39] <Duesentrieb>	something, at some point, must have changed it to varchar(4)
[23:14:47] <Spoom>	that's incredibly weird
[23:14:51] *Spoom 	resizes it
[23:15:29] <Duesentrieb>	Spoom: it should not even be a varchar at all. char(14) or in more recent versions binary(14) (though it doesn't make a difference for that field)
[23:16:22] <Duesentrieb>	mysql sometimes does this kind of helpful conversion when it's upgraded, or recovered from a dump or something like that
[23:16:35] <Duesentrieb>	(or maybe you clicked the wrong thing in phpmyadmin?...)
[23:17:06] <Spoom>	i bet it was a mysql upgrade since i've done that a few times
[23:17:10] <Spoom>	but that did fix it
[23:17:17] <Spoom>	thanks much
[23:17:37] <Duesentrieb>	well... i have seen mysql screw up fields (including this one) with adding or removing padding, or messing with charsets/collations.
[23:17:49] <Duesentrieb>	never saw it change field width like this, though...
[23:17:53] <Spoom>	indeed
[23:17:54] <Duesentrieb>	not from 14 to 4, anyway.
[23:18:37] <Duesentrieb>	or... wait... well, if it was a char... yes, this could be it: php5 suppports utf-8 (in a limited way), and accounts 3 bytes per character for unicode data. 14/3 = 4.
[23:19:04] <Duesentrieb>	(truncated, as is usual with int math)
[23:19:36] <Spoom>	aye
[23:19:48] <Duesentrieb>	charset support in mysql is strange and wonderfull. which is way mediawiki tries to bypass it.
[23:20:01] <Duesentrieb>	(these days, by treating everything as binary)
[23:21:01] <Spoom>	makes sense
[23:21:02] <Duesentrieb>	Spoom: perhaps check out the file maintenance/tables.sql, and compare the field types/sizes with what you actually see in the db. chances are, more fields got warped.
[23:21:26] <Spoom>	mk
[23:21:29] <Duesentrieb>	first candidate would be page_touched, and the timestamp field in the recentchanges and log tables
[23:21:34] <Duesentrieb>	there are probably more
[23:21:36] <Spoom>	just a small wiki i use for keeping up with a development team
[23:21:41] <Spoom>	but yeah
[23:22:18] <Duesentrieb>	Spoom: if you don't have lots of users / uploaded files, maybe start fresh: dump to xml, install a clean wiki, import xml.
[23:22:29] <Spoom>	i think i'll go that route
[23:22:32] <Duesentrieb>	(make sure your dump actually works with the broken db though)
[23:22:32] <Spoom>	only a few pages right now anyway
[23:22:39] <Spoom>	aye
[23:22:43] <Spoom>	i'll have to fix the dates first
[23:23:03] <Duesentrieb>	probably. at least in the revision table, and page table.the rest isn't vital i guess
[23:54:21] <CIA-42>	03erik * r30601 10/trunk/tools/planet/de/config.ini: fix jakob