[00:02:23] <astro76>	Xerol: all at once, read the upgrade notes http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_11_1/phase3/UPGRADE
[00:36:14] <CIA-42>	03yaron * r30655 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/ (includes/SC_ParserFunctions.php languages/SC_Messages.php): Added 'sc_today' language value
[00:39:12] <CIA-42>	03yaron * r30656 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/ (includes/SC_ParserFunctions.php languages/SC_Messages.php): Added 'sc_gotomonth'
[00:39:38] <hippietrail>	i just had an idea for interwiki JSON via api.php - anyone like to hear it?
[01:00:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) &action= raw to allow the raw for just a named section to be returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12503  (10hippytrail)
[01:31:30] <Keyboard|Cat>	Is there a way to do wildcards in wiki formatting? 
[01:31:40] <sudoking>	you beat me :(
[01:31:44] <Keyboard|Cat>	Heh
[01:34:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) format=jsonvar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12951 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (hippytrail)
[01:38:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) format=jsonvar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12951  (10hippytrail)
[01:44:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) format=jsonvar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12951  (10brion)
[01:59:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Nosuchuser message called incorectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12952 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (s.vanslyck)
[01:59:03] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) format=jsonvar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12951  +comment (10hippytrail)
[02:02:39] <celicn1>	i need to make collapsible tables work on sr.wiki... could someone help me
[02:02:52] <celicn1>	i've transfered the code from Common.js
[02:02:57] <celicn1>	what else must i do?
[02:09:28] <Waldir_>	hi there. I want to know if the spam blacklist and/or whitelist allow exception for specific pages
[02:10:30] <Waldir_>	for example, if www.samplelink.com is blaclkisted, but can be used on the [[Samplelink]] article
[02:13:57] <Waldir_>	...172 users online, and noone awake? :|
[02:14:07] <celicn1>	:)
[02:14:13] <Waldir_>	lol
[02:14:23] <celicn1>	i'm awake.. but i can't help you
[02:14:25] <Pathoschild>	Waldir_: It's possible per-wiki, but not per-page as far as I know.
[02:14:29] <Waldir_>	:(
[02:14:55] <celicn1>	Pathoschild: could you answer my question perhaps :D
[02:16:03] <Pathoschild>	celicn1: Try adding code you know will work (like an alert, but not one that will annoy every visitor). It's possible you can't see the code yet due to caching.
[02:16:27] <Waldir_>	Pathoschild: strange... i though i'd seen someone do that :\
[02:16:57] <sudoking>	Can you use wildcards in parser functions?
[02:17:03] <Waldir_>	what could I be mistaking for that? :S
[02:17:07] <celicn1>	it's possible i can't see what code?
[02:17:51] <celicn1>	i've been told that i must copy/paste some code from Common.css as well..
[02:17:52] <Pathoschild>	celicn1: The JavaScript you copied. It's possible that your browser is still running the cached code.
[02:18:04] <celicn1>	Pathoschild: ahh..
[02:18:37] <Pathoschild>	sudoking: Not in the normal extension.
[02:19:00] <sudoking>	hm
[02:19:05] <celicn1>	no such luck... cleared cache, purged, reloaded, still doesn't work
[02:19:24] <MZMcBride>	hi Waldir_
[02:19:29] <sudoking>	I want to check if a user exists in a database and either give them an anonymous welcome or a user welcome accordingly in markup
[02:19:41] <Waldir_>	MZMcBride: lool hi
[02:20:46] <Waldir_>	MZMcBride: maybe i should submit a bug requesting this feature? especially for shock sites (especially viral ones, which not surprisingly are the ones that make it to wikipedia) it would be useful
[02:21:02] <MZMcBride>	there's probably one already
[02:23:09] <Waldir_>	but i have this feeling that i've seen someone do that
[02:23:24] <Waldir_>	i must clarify this doubt first
[02:30:51] <Waldir_>	guess I'll do this later. bye, thanks for the help, MZMcBride 
[02:55:09] <sudoking>	Ok, so I tried {{ #if: {{#ifexpr: {{BASEPAGENAME}} }} | {{welcome}} | {{anwelcome}} }} to check it seems to be working so far but I don't know if it will be a problem =/
[02:58:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945  (10edwardzyang)
[02:59:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945   +need-review +patch; +comment (10edwardzyang)
[03:28:10] <AnswerGuy>	I would love to tips on debugging LDAPAuth
[03:29:13] <AnswerGuy>	using MW 1.11.1 and the 1.1g version of the LDAPAuthentication extension
[03:30:32] <AnswerGuy>	Frustrating part is that I have it working on another server in the same domain but the new installation says: "Incorrect password" no matter what I try.
[03:34:31] <AnswerGuy>	Is there any sort of "$debugging=true;" switch I can throw to get more logging out of LDAPAuth?
[03:35:45] <MZMcBride>	!debug | AnswerGuy 
[03:35:45] --mwbot--	AnswerGuy: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[03:42:07] <Magine>	Hello.
[03:42:36] <Chaos_>	Question about an extension conflict, anybody interested?
[03:50:01] <Magine_>	Hello.
[03:51:09] <MZMcBride>	hello
[04:09:59] <AnswerGuy>	I found that $wgLDAPDebug helps; and it looks like $wgLDAPEncryptionType = array("MYDOMAIN"=>"clear"); and $wgLDAPDisableAutoCreate = array( "MYDOMAIN"=>false ); solved the problem
[04:24:54] <jlerner_>	is there a way to pass in a variable number of arguments into a template, and do something with all of them? without knowing in advance how many to expect
[04:26:22] <MZMcBride>	{{{1|}}} ?
[04:27:27] <jlerner_>	MZMcBride: not familiar with that syntax, looking it up
[04:29:48] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Number of wikis in Special:SiteMatrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12940  (10vasilvv)
[04:31:19] <jlerner_>	MZMcBride: only the first argument is displayed...
[04:31:52] <jlerner_>	{{test|1|2|3|4}}, only a 1 is displayed
[04:37:04] <shortcircuit>	You know what would be convenient? Category merges.  Kinda like #REDIRECT, but forwards category members to target category.
[04:37:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Chat room - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11190  (10vasilvv)
[04:42:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support global (crosswiki) blocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  (10N/A)
[04:57:14] <f00li5h>	:w
[04:58:20] <f00li5h>	pesky... the weather has come back again
[05:02:14] <^demon>	Is there a method anywhere in the MediaWiki parser that will strip all wikicode?
[05:31:30] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Install new upload form for Arabic (ar) Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12941  +comment (10OsamaK.WFM)
[05:54:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945  (10edwardzyang)
[07:24:48] <_wooz>	lo
[07:31:09] <CIA-42>	03mkroetzsch * r30657 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_WikiPage.php SMW_DataValue.php): Do not build "[[...]]" when given an empty caption.
[07:41:23] <marchelly>	Утро доброе
[08:03:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PATCH - skins/monobook/main.css - patrollink clear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12857  (10danny_b)
[08:29:21] <silly>	Hello, I just added another language to my wiki family that has 4 other languages working for a long time, but the new lang gives me a blank page when I try to preview an image, can anyone help? Please?
[08:30:20] <Nikerabbit>	enable php error reporting and/or check server logs
[08:30:28] <silly>	preview an image link
[08:30:55] <silly>	i did error reporting none show
[08:31:18] <silly>	I have a dedicated server but forgot how to get at logs
[08:31:38] <Nikerabbit>	var www apache error.log usually
[08:37:18] <silly>	/var/www/ apache error.log and all the paths give this:  -bash: /var/www/: is a directory
[08:38:45] <silly>	i tried to add an image link and save the page, no preview and the page goes to http 500 website cannot display the page
[08:40:10] <silly>	interwiki links work fine everything else works fine
[08:40:31] <Nikerabbit>	puh
[08:40:48] <Nikerabbit>	/var/www/apache2/error.log
[08:41:28] <silly>	-bash: /var/www/apache2/error.log: No such file or directory
[08:42:06] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not your system administrator, I can't know then
[08:42:19] <Nikerabbit>	hmm, let that be /var/log
[08:44:03] <silly>	h
[08:44:22] <silly>	this is a directory it says
[08:44:37] <silly>	anyway I seem to remember having this problem before
[08:45:20] <Nikerabbit>	we can't help you without real error message
[08:45:36] <silly>	I did a new installation of 1.11.0 into the de. folder, the other wikis were upgrades from 1.8.x 
[08:45:46] <silly>	so the local settings looks a bit different
[08:45:51] <piksi>	is 1.11.0 considered non-vulnerable ? i'm not sure where it fits in that "vulnerability list".. between 1.11 >= 1.11.1 ?
[08:46:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Blockip should load the block summary using AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12917  summary; +comment (10huji.huji)
[08:46:12] <piksi>	and not 1.11 <= 1.11.0rc1?
[08:46:25] <Nikerabbit>	piksi: ircc if you disable api you could use 1.11.0
[08:46:30] <Nikerabbit>	but why not update?
[08:46:43] <silly>	I upgraded all my other languages wikis to 1.11.0 and no problems
[08:46:43] <Nikerabbit>	silly: why are you having different code base for every wiki?
[08:47:10] <piksi>	Nikerabbit: how can i apply the .patch upgrade? simply by running the patch file with "patch mediawiki-1.11.1.patch" in the wiki directory?
[08:47:46] <Nikerabbit>	patch < ..
[08:47:54] <Nikerabbit>	maybe with --dry-run first
[08:48:02] <silly>	I asked that question when i set the whole thing up TimStarling said that was fine
[08:48:36] <Nikerabbit>	well whatever, it's besides the point
[08:48:53] <silly>	ok your question is Why?
[08:49:16] <silly>	I was told that was the best way to set it up
[08:49:56] <Nikerabbit>	my question is that we need a proper error message
[08:50:33] <silly>	ok, i appreciate your help, i wish I could give you one..
[08:51:00] <silly>	i dont know why this does not work error_reporting(E_ALL);
[08:51:00] <silly>	ini_set('display_errors', 1);
[08:52:17] <Nikerabbit>	try setting it in php.ini and logging to a error log
[08:56:25] <silly>	sorry thats over my head
[08:56:51] <silly>	Ill try if you can explain
[09:00:10] <Nikerabbit>	I'm supposed to follow the lecture I'm at :o
[09:01:05] <silly>	ok thanks
[09:02:01] <silly>	anyway for anyone out there the error is: placing an image link into an article give me an http 500 cant display page error
[09:05:12] <jons>	How could I add a link to Special:Userlogin&type=signup which is only visible to sysops?
[09:06:26] <Nikerabbit>	to where?
[09:06:38] <jons>	The sidebar.
[09:06:56] <Nikerabbit>	not really, it's the same for all
[09:07:32] <Nikerabbit>	maybe you are interested in http://jldupont.com/Extension:SidebarEx
[09:08:30] <jons>	Could be something. Thanks.
[09:09:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install new upload form for Arabic (ar) Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12941  (10meno25wiki)
[09:09:51] <CIA-42>	03dale * r30658 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (6 files in 6 dirs): fixed some minnor bugs with multi-track display
[09:19:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uncategorized categories/pages/templates refactoring - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12942  (10huji.huji)
[09:22:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) show warning when filesize to big of uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12943  +comment (10huji.huji)
[09:23:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Uncategorized categories/pages/templates refactoring - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12942  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[09:54:24] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30659 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUserlogin.php): (bug 12952) Using Nosuchusershort instead of Nosuchuser when account creatio is disabled
[09:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Nosuchuser message called incorectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12952  +comment (10huji.huji)
[10:12:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953 normal; normal; MediaWiki: API; (edward)
[10:25:00] <CIA-42>	03raymond * r30660 10/trunk/extensions/auth/GlobalAuth.php: 
[10:25:00] <CIA-42>	* (bug 12270) GlobalAuth.php code review
[10:25:00] <CIA-42>	Patch by AlNo, modified per comment #2
[10:25:31] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30661 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: Adding/updating Persian translations
[10:25:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) GlobalAuth.php code review - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12270  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:46:39] <CIA-42>	03emil * r30662 10/trunk/extensions/WhosOnline/ (. WhosOnline.php WhosOnlineSpecialPage.php): a slightly modified version of http://www.chekmate.org/wiki/index.php/MW:_Whos_Online_Extension
[11:24:28] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30663 10/trunk/extensions/ (19 files in 18 dirs): Adding/updating Persian translations
[11:24:53] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Footer note mark sign specification in My preferences - date and time ( difference between MediaWiki:Timezoneoffset and MediaWiki:Timezonetext) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4871  summary; +comment (10anyfile)
[11:30:56] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30664 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Adding/updating Persian translations
[11:31:41] <[GW]Spiderpig>	can someone help me with rewriting the &action= url's? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgActionPaths that's not workin'
[11:40:49] <[GW]Spiderpig>	?
[11:50:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) show warning when filesize to big of uploaded file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12943  (10thomas.coopman)
[11:59:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[12:02:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:05:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:14:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Sidebar displaced when creating user talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12954 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (david.mayall)
[12:22:24] <CIA-42>	03catrope * r30665 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryImageInfo.php: (bug 12953) prop=imageinfo should only set query-continue when there is only one title; trying to overwrite a previously set query-continue causes a fatal error
[12:23:40] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:35:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Numbers should be localized in Translate extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12955 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (huji.huji)
[12:37:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) An extra line in exported translations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12956 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Translate; (huji.huji)
[12:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) CreateMessageIndex.php throws an error message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12565  +comment (10huji.huji)
[12:47:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Disable filepath extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12957 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (raimond.spekking)
[12:53:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar displaced when creating user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12954  normal->04CRIT (10azatoth)
[12:53:49] <AzaTht>	someone must revert that revision
[12:53:59] <AzaTht>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Blasdas&action=edit
[12:57:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	AzaTht: ow, nasty - why haven't you applied for commit access ever, btw? you should ;-)
[12:58:23] <AzaTht>	think that would be a bit overkill
[13:00:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Whatlinkshere not following redirects if a namespace is selected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12958 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (huji.huji)
[13:05:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Set wgUploadNavigationUrl for Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12831  +comment (10danny_b)
[13:09:52] <flyingparchment>	AzaTht: which revision?
[13:30:38] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: that added mw-userpage-userdoesnotexist thingi
[13:30:45] <AzaTht>	it fnucks up a lot
[13:31:27] <flyingparchment>	it works fine on my local wiki and on meta.  perhaps enwiki broke it?
[13:31:34] <AzaTht>	hmm
[13:32:59] <AzaTht>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Blasdas&action=edit
[13:33:09] <AzaTht>	I can't understand exactly what makes this
[13:33:15] <flyingparchment>	yes, i saw the problem
[13:34:48] <AzaTht>	what MediaWiki message page is it?
[13:35:17] <AzaTht>	think I've found the problem
[13:35:22] <AzaTht>	it's a missmatched tag
[13:36:19] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Userpage-userdoesnotexist
[13:36:24] <AzaTht>	strange
[13:36:37] <AzaTht>	seems that there is a bug in the parser that makes this happen
[13:36:49] <AzaTht>	Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </li>.
[13:36:49] <AzaTht>	Source File: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABlasdas&action=submit
[13:36:49] <AzaTht>	Line: 83, Column: 156
[13:36:49] <AzaTht>	Source Code:
[13:36:49] <AzaTht>	<ul><li>To start a page called <i>User talk:Blasdas</i>, type in the box below. When you are done, preview the page to check for errors and then save it.</div>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^
[13:36:54] <AzaTht>	sorry
[13:37:03] <AzaTht>	I know, paste
[13:38:05] <AzaTht>	http://rafb.net/p/Nbhodg82.html
[13:38:06] <AzaTht>	there
[13:38:32] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: are your local wiki using the new or old parser?
[13:38:46] <flyingparchment>	whichever the default is
[13:43:36] <AzaTht>	flyingparchment: ok, the problem is in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext
[13:43:41] <AzaTht>	sorry, choosed wrong one ツ
[13:47:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Sidebar displaced when creating user talk pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12954  (10azatoth)
[13:55:53] <Enigma>	is it possible to show an external image embedded in mediawiki?
[13:56:49] <Duesentrieb>	!externalimages
[13:56:49] --mwbot--	To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[14:21:35] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30666 10/trunk/extensions/WhosOnline/ (WhosOnline.i18n.php WhosOnline.php WhosOnlineSpecialPage.php): 
[14:21:35] <CIA-42>	* fix require once path
[14:21:35] <CIA-42>	* add standard i18n file
[14:21:35] <CIA-42>	* use wfLoadExtensionMessages
[14:21:35] <CIA-42>	* update extension credits with version, descriptionmsg, and url
[14:21:37] <CIA-42>	* remove trailing whitespace
[14:21:39] <CIA-42>	* eol-style:native
[14:23:15] <CIA-42>	03vrandezo * r30667 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_RAPStore.php: Added todos
[14:23:22] <Agility>	Got a Question
[14:23:35] <Agility>	very sure theres a quick solution but I cant find it lol
[14:24:12] <Agility>	Does Anyone knows how you can view all Used Templates? Theres a Special: for unused, but any possibility to show all used ones?
[14:24:32] <Agility>	or even all ones, used and unused?
[14:24:47] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Mostlinkedtemplates?
[14:25:19] <Agility>	categories, images and pages, no templates =(
[14:25:51] <Agility>	"no such special page"
[14:25:55] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: I know
[14:26:02] <RoanKattouw>	A list of special pages is at Special:Specialpages
[14:26:11] <Agility>	.. I do know that
[14:26:26] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Mostlinkedtemplates should list all used templates
[14:26:28] <Agility>	theres no such special page listed, neither as a direct-url
[14:26:31] <Agility>	nop
[14:26:34] <Agility>	got 1.11.1
[14:26:46] <RoanKattouw>	Weird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mostlinkedtemplates
[14:27:09] <Agility>	bet thats an extension
[14:27:23] <Agility>	doesnt come along in mediawiki normally
[14:28:33] <Agility>	searched in extension matrix too but no extension for such a thing
[14:28:49] <RoanKattouw>	Nope, it's in core
[14:28:57] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe it was added after the 1.11 release
[14:29:19] <Agility>	1.11.1 · 2008-01-23
[14:29:19] <Agility>	1.10.3 · 2008-01-23
[14:29:19] <Agility>	1.6.10 · 2007-02-20
[14:29:21] <Agility>	no new release
[14:29:37] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Wikipedia uses production code, i.e. 1.12alpha
[14:29:53] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm Special:Mostlinkedtemplates was added June 4th 2007
[14:30:01] <RoanKattouw>	1.11 was released in October IIRc
[14:30:03] <Agility>	in what version..?
[14:30:07] <RoanKattouw>	So it should be in 1.11
[14:30:16] <Agility>	in what evrsion it was added?
[14:30:36] <RoanKattouw>	1.11, maybe even 1.10
[14:30:57] <RoanKattouw>	I have a 1.11 test setup and can confirm that Special:Mostlinkedtemplates exists
[14:31:09] <RoanKattouw>	Please check your Special:Version to double check that you really have 1.11
[14:31:23] <Agility>	MediaWiki: 1.10.1 
[14:31:25] <Agility>	owh
[14:31:27] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[14:31:28] <Agility>	thats new for me
[14:31:29] <Agility>	:P
[14:31:38] <RoanKattouw>	!download | Agility
[14:31:38] --mwbot--	Agility: The latest stable release of MediaWiki can be downloaded from <http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki>. Files are supplied in a .tar.gz archive. MediaWiki can also be obtained direct from our Subversion repository. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download> for more information.
[14:31:48] <RoanKattouw>	Saves you some time
[14:31:57] <Agility>	hmm..
[14:32:16] <Agility>	updating your wiki doesnt overwrites the database, but does overwrite things like extensions?
[14:32:24] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: No
[14:33:01] <Agility>	the localsettings said to me (lol) that when I just oevrwrited the original head logo, a new version would kill it
[14:34:00] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah well if you modified any *files* (other than LocalSettings), they will be overwritten
[14:34:38] <Agility>	that would be only the logo then
[14:34:46] <Agility>	that doesnt mind.. I guess, easy fixed
[14:35:39] <Agility>	so.. I just download the 1.11.1 .tar.gz one
[14:35:48] <Agility>	and upload/unzip it on my server?
[14:35:49] <RoanKattouw>	Yep
[14:35:53] <RoanKattouw>	Yep
[14:36:07] <RoanKattouw>	!upgrade | Agility
[14:36:07] --mwbot--	Agility: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[14:36:08] <Agility>	how does the thing know he shouldnt overwrite localsettings.php then?
[14:36:19] <Agility>	owh thats because tis generated when installing it
[14:36:26] <Agility>	hmm ty ^^
[14:36:35] <Agility>	handy stuff
[14:36:47] <bcrosby>	ok
[14:36:57] <bcrosby>	so has anyone used batchDelete.php before>
[14:38:34] <bcrosby>	for some reason, its not actually deleting articles for me
[14:51:51] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30668 10/trunk/extensions/FormatEmail/ (FormatEmail.i18n.php FormatEmail.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[14:55:34] <josch>	http://mig1983.dyndns.org/index.php/Sainte-Anne-des-Monts_Aerodrome <= what mediawiki plugin is missing?
[14:56:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	!parserfunctions | josch
[14:56:13] --mwbot--	josch: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[14:57:10] <Jack_Phoenix>	you seem to be missing at least the ParserFunctions extension...dunno, perhaps you need HTML Tidy too for that template, as it's a wikipedia template
[14:57:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	!tidy
[14:57:13] --mwbot--	For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[15:04:09] <bcrosby>	I wonder if deleteBatch.php isn't working, because im using postgres as the db backend?
[15:04:31] <RoanKattouw>	bcrosby: Very much possible
[15:05:34] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[15:06:18] <ghoulsblade>	hi all, can anyone tell me where i can find infos about the "Languages" bar in wikipedia (at the bottom on the left), please ? 
[15:06:54] <RoanKattouw>	ghoulsblade: There isn't really a page on that
[15:07:02] <RoanKattouw>	But everyone here knows how to do it :P
[15:07:21] <Duesentrieb>	!interwiki | ghoulsblade
[15:07:21] --mwbot--	ghoulsblade: Interwiki links are links between wikis.  For instance, on Wiktionary, [[w:Article name]] or [[Wikipedia:Article name]] will link to a Wikipedia article.  To set up interwiki links, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Guide_for_system_administrators_for_setting_up_interwiki_linking> as well as <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki>
[15:07:57] <Duesentrieb>	ghoulsblade: look for info on "interlangiage links". not sure how much is there, or how good it is. basically, interwiki-prefixes that are language codes are treated magically.
[15:09:06] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: PING
[15:09:19] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Does Twinkle rely on JSON callback?
[15:09:20] <Zach>	is a list of the default actions documented somewhere?
[15:09:24] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: no
[15:09:26] <RoanKattouw>	Zach: Default actions?
[15:09:30] <AzaTht>	I'm only using xml
[15:09:33] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Good, 'cause JSON callback is gonna go
[15:09:34] <Zach>	like view, edit, delete, watch, etc
[15:09:53] <Duesentrieb>	Zach: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Actions
[15:09:55] <RoanKattouw>	Zach: Search www.mediawiki.org for  '" parameters index.php"
[15:09:59] <RoanKattouw>	Oh :P
[15:10:00] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30669 10/trunk/extensions/I18nTags/ (I18nTags.i18n.php I18nTags.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[15:10:08] <ghoulsblade>	thanks, i'll look into it =)
[15:10:08] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: could it be possible for you to implement some sort of epoch variable?
[15:10:41] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: What would it do?
[15:10:51] <Zach>	ok
[15:10:53] <AzaTht>	keep backward compat
[15:11:09] <Zach>	thanks to you both
[15:11:27] <AzaTht>	i.e. if an breaking change is introduced, the epoch is increased
[15:11:50] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[15:12:12] <RoanKattouw>	Well maybe I could add that to action=paraminfo
[15:12:19] <RoanKattouw>	And do what $wgStyleVersion and friends to
[15:12:21] <RoanKattouw>	do
[15:12:26] <RoanKattouw>	Increment it on every breaking change
[15:12:42] <RoanKattouw>	The problem is, though, that breaking changes only break one module; they don't break everything
[15:13:00] <RoanKattouw>	For instance, if I break something in prop=langlinks, Twinkle doesn't care
[15:13:06] <AzaTht>	I though more of keeping older epochs
[15:13:35] <RoanKattouw>	?
[15:13:41] <AzaTht>	but perhaps thats impossible in reallity
[15:14:11] <AzaTht>	like, if I'm using epoch 2; and you introduce breaking changes in a module I'm using, I will still use the old version
[15:14:36] <RoanKattouw>	Well what you can do is use action=help&version
[15:14:48] <RoanKattouw>	It has SVN revision IDs for every module
[15:14:54] <AzaTht>	hmm
[15:15:06] <AzaTht>	but I can't "use" the old revisions
[15:16:05] <RoanKattouw>	I mean you can check the revids for the modules you're interested in
[15:16:15] <AzaTht>	uh?
[15:16:18] <RoanKattouw>	However, not every rev will introduce a breaking change :(
[15:16:29] <RoanKattouw>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=help&version
[15:16:30] <AzaTht>	that isn't what I meant
[15:16:38] <RoanKattouw>	Look for $Id
[15:17:28] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Can you state what you mean more clearly, then?
[15:17:31] <AzaTht>	I meant the abillity to be not affected by a breaking change
[15:17:34] <Agility>	roan.. last question
[15:17:44] <AzaTht>	if possible
[15:17:50] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Fire away
[15:17:50] <Agility>	If I upgrade from 1.10.1 to 1.11.1, do I have to do all the permissions again too?
[15:17:54] <CIA-42>	03catrope * r30670 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryCategoryMembers.php): (bug 12944) Filter categorymembers by timestamp
[15:17:54] <AzaTht>	to make it more stable
[15:18:06] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Permissions are in LocalSettings.php
[15:18:27] <Agility>	ok good lol
[15:18:27] <Agility>	ty
[15:18:35] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: You mean different behavior based on the Epoch value you specify?
[15:18:46] <AzaTht>	yea
[15:18:58] <AzaTht>	like for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=categorymembers&cmtitle=Category:Physics
[15:19:11] <RoanKattouw>	cmtitle is a newly introduced parameter
[15:19:19] <RoanKattouw>	It didn't *exist* before "Epoch 1"
[15:19:24] <AzaTht>	yea
[15:19:31] <RoanKattouw>	But imagine what a mess the code would be
[15:19:37] <AzaTht>	but lets say that was epoch 2
[15:19:39] <RoanKattouw>	And how much old code we would have to keep around forever
[15:19:50] <AzaTht>	yea, that what I was afraid of
[15:20:07] <RoanKattouw>	Just because there's one guy in Evansville, Indiana who refuses to upgrade from Epoch 1
[15:20:11] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:20:36] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Filter categorymembers by timestamp - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12944  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:20:46] <AzaTht>	but an epoch could still be useful even if it only warns that a breaking change has been made
[15:21:24] <AzaTht>	but whatever
[15:21:28] <AzaTht>	it was just a thought
[15:21:54] <AzaTht>	as some people gets mad when there isn't a stable stable stable query api stable thingi that is stable like hell
[15:22:38] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: PING I SAID
[15:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	Well you know the idea is that breaking changes hardly ever change the behavior of *existing* parameters, but replace them by new parameters (with or without a transition phase)
[15:22:53] <RoanKattouw>	So you could just use action=paraminfo to see which parameters are supported
[15:24:15] <AzaTht>	when we are talking about trolls anyway, how is the edit api going?
[15:24:32] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30671 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesCbk_zam.php: Change fallback to Spanish
[15:24:44] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: and you havn't updated the credits yet
[15:24:49] <Agility>	Backing XML up = very important or can I skip that stuff better then do it?
[15:25:17] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: If you're gonna back up anything, just back up the database
[15:25:23] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Credits?
[15:25:24] <Agility>	ok
[15:25:43] <AzaTht>	the cretits at the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[15:25:43] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: depends. XML is good for a long term/portable backup. it's also a good idea before upgrading. for a day-to-day backup, it's not so important, or even useful.
[15:25:50] <AzaTht>	it looks bad as it's doing atm
[15:26:01] <AzaTht>	This API is being implemented by Yuri Astrakhan [[User:Yurik]] / <Firstname><Lastname>@gmail.com
[15:26:09] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: XML dumps are quite usefull if you want to be able to use the backup with anything else but your current setup.
[15:26:39] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: They don't preserve user data and all that stuff; he's upgrading, so he wants his entire DB backed up
[15:27:02] <Duesentrieb>	in case of an upgrade, i'd recommend both.
[15:27:14] <Duesentrieb>	the xml dump is not a replacement of the db backup
[15:27:20] <Duesentrieb>	it's a useful addition
[15:27:42] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: becsiacally, if you want to make sure you can restore your site tomorrow, dump the database. if you want to be sure you can access the context next year on some other box, make an xml dump.
[15:27:55] <Duesentrieb>	when upgrading, i'd say make both.
[15:28:04] <Agility>	yes ok
[15:28:06] <Agility>	I am upgrading ^^
[15:28:12] <Agility>	and hell I dont want to loose anything
[15:28:17] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: nah, just print the content ツ
[15:28:24] <Agility>	as lately I had 700-800 edits a day the last month
[15:28:36] <stefw>	is there a schema change?
[15:28:46] <AzaTht>	stefw: when isn't there?
[15:28:51] <stefw>	true true
[15:29:08] *stefw 	has put off updating for a while not wanting to update schema
[15:29:32] <Duesentrieb>	minor schema changes are common, but mostly, things are added.
[15:29:57] <Duesentrieb>	a real structural change hasn't happened since the 1.4 -> 1.5 transition, at least not for important stuff
[15:30:21] <Duesentrieb>	the only other structural change i'm aware of was the move to using the user_groups table
[15:30:33] <AzaTht>	ok, Mediawiki:Messages doesn't go via tidy?
[15:31:05] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: when will "phase 4" be then?
[15:31:08] <AzaTht>	ツ
[15:31:21] <Duesentrieb>	that will be MediaWiki 2.0
[15:31:22] <RoanKattouw>	That'll be when we rewrite the preferences system
[15:31:31] <RoanKattouw>	Which completely sucks right now
[15:31:42] <RoanKattouw>	Imagine extensions wanting to add preferences, or the API wanting to access them
[15:31:49] <RoanKattouw>	Both are pretty much impossible right now
[15:31:55] <AzaTht>	I see
[15:32:17] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: adding preferences isn't so hard. Gadgets does it, dynamically even.
[15:32:17] <RoanKattouw>	Seriously, that's just my little rant
[15:32:42] <Duesentrieb>	but yes, there are a lot of things that could use a rewrite.
[15:32:43] *RoanKattouw 	looks at SpecialPreferences.php again
[15:32:46] <Duesentrieb>	we could ditch php, for one thing
[15:33:02] <RoanKattouw>	Yep
[15:33:08] <RoanKattouw>	A C/C++ parser
[15:33:11] <Agility>	ehh.. the list of new things added in 1.11.1 is located.. not at the main page?
[15:33:25] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: It's probably linked to from the main page
[15:33:29] <RoanKattouw>	Release notes
[15:34:20] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: Adding preferences requires multiple hooks now, right?
[15:34:32] <Agility>	hehe, I see, consider me blind from now on
[15:34:35] <RoanKattouw>	Ideally, you'd just add a class name to an array like you do with special pages
[15:34:40] <AzaTht>	could write it in .NET
[15:34:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request for Page namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877  (10smihael)
[15:35:14] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Request for Page namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877  +comment (10smihael)
[15:35:15] <AzaTht>	or reimplement it in ocaml
[15:35:41] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: uhm, i don't quite remember, tbh. on for the preference page html, one for storing them, and one for applying them, i guess
[15:35:52] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[15:36:13] <RoanKattouw>	Ugly as hell in other words; preferences should just be classes with methods to validate, output form HTML, etc.
[15:37:04] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: next job for tim then?
[15:37:22] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, that'll keep Tim busy :P
[15:37:26] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:38:09] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: do you know why mikimedia messages doesn't get going via tidy?
[15:38:14] <AzaTht>	as everything else does
[15:38:40] <AzaTht>	we just had a problem with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext
[15:38:43] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Because they're not supposed to contain HTML? :P
[15:38:52] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, don't ask me about parsing, ask Tim
[15:38:55] <AzaTht>	that broke xhtml
[15:39:01] <AzaTht>	tim aint here
[15:39:06] <AzaTht>	you are nex in queue
[15:39:25] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: get your lusy ass here
[15:47:01] <Agility>	hmm
[15:47:20] <Agility>	Roan, I just read the full upgrade guide
[15:47:26] <Agility>	understand everything but one:
[15:47:34] <Agility>	Shell
[15:47:35] <Agility>	From the command line, or an SSH shell or similar, change to the maintenance directory and execute the update script:
[15:47:35] <Agility>	$ php update.php
[15:47:54] <Agility>	where to insert that $ php update.php
[15:48:23] <Agility>	or.... just run the file update.php?
[15:52:39] <lch>	Agility, you need a SSH connection to your server, if possible
[15:52:50] <lch>	otherwise you have to run update.php through the browser
[15:53:39] <Agility>	update.php is located at..
[15:53:50] <Agility>	wiki/maintanance/?
[15:53:54] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Yes
[15:54:00] <Agility>	ok
[15:54:06] <Agility>	dam this is scary
[15:54:14] <Agility>	imagine when I screw up
[15:54:14] <RoanKattouw>	You need to open a shell, go to that directory and run "php update.php"
[15:54:25] <RoanKattouw>	Nah, I do it every time there's a schema change on the live code
[15:54:38] <Agility>	yes but Im a newb and your not :P
[15:55:00] <flyingparchment>	how can i get the fragment of a special page?  $wgTitle doesn't include it
[15:57:03] <Agility>	run maintanance/update.php, thats the one?
[15:57:41] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Yes
[15:57:57] <RoanKattouw>	Go to our wiki root, then run "php maintenance/update.php"
[15:58:05] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: What do you mean?
[15:58:13] <RoanKattouw>	Like the stuff after the / ?
[15:58:27] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: if i'm on [[Special:Contributions/User]], i want a $wgTitle representing that page, not just [[Special:Contributions]]
[15:59:05] <CIA-42>	03catrope * r30672 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiMain.php: API: Updating credits to reflect my having replaced Yuri as de facto API lead developer, and referring to mediawiki-api and Bugzilla for questions/suggestions
[15:59:14] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: "User" is passed as a parameter to SpecialContributions::execute()
[15:59:41] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: i'm not inside the special page when i want this
[15:59:50] <RoanKattouw>	Then where are you?
[15:59:57] <flyingparchment>	WebRequest::getRequestURL()
[16:00:23] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[16:01:00] <Agility>	ok updating started
[16:01:11] <flyingparchment>	i could use SpecialPage::getTitle(), but the special page object seems to be a local variable of SpecialPage::execute
[16:01:18] <Agility>	when he asks if I want to overwrite something I should just overwrite it?
[16:01:42] <RoanKattouw>	I think so
[16:01:46] <RoanKattouw>	Has it asked yet?
[16:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Request for Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:02:12] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: Do you want this for Special:Contributions only or for all special pages?
[16:02:16] <flyingparchment>	all
[16:02:31] <Agility>	what.. has it asked yet was targeted to me? Then Yes it asks it
[16:02:45] <Agility>	svnstat called
[16:02:49] <RoanKattouw>	What exactly does it ask?
[16:03:05] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: What do you need it for?
[16:03:08] <Agility>	if I want to overwrite the file ^^
[16:03:20] <RoanKattouw>	What file?
[16:03:28] <Agility>	svnstat
[16:03:36] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[16:03:37] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: getRequestURL() generates wrong URLS when REQUEST_URI isn't defined and $wgActionPaths is being used.  i want to use $wgTitle to generate a correct url
[16:03:41] <Agility>	I guess I should just say yes to all
[16:03:49] <Agility>	else I am clicking yes 5000 times
[16:04:30] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: If this happens before SpecialPage::execute(), it should work, so it probably happens after
[16:04:54] <Agility>	Roan.. is there a difference between the update pack 1.10.1 -> 1.11.1 or isnt there an update pack, and 1.11.1 is just that
[16:05:15] <Agility>	seperate update 1.10.1 -> 1.11.1 .tar.gz I mean
[16:05:24] <RoanKattouw>	The upgrade to 1.11.1 upgrades anything >= 1.6 to 1.11.1
[16:05:46] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: Keep in mind that special pages also use parameters to index.php; how are you gonna pass those ?
[16:05:56] <Agility>	and.. thats just mediawiki-1.11.1.tar.gz?
[16:06:03] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: using $_SERVER['QUERY_STRING']
[16:06:16] <RoanKattouw>	Agility: Yes
[16:06:37] <Agility>	omg its gonna take 1 hour :|
[16:06:46] <Agility>	lol
[16:06:53] <Agility>	I just want to be sure I dont screw up
[16:06:54] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: In that case I don't think I can help you, I don't know WebRequest and all that stuff too well
[16:07:28] <Agility>	ehhowh..
[16:07:32] <Agility>	operation time-out
[16:08:43] <Agility>	its unzip on computer -> unzip -> copy -> webserver or computer -> webserver -> unzip :P?
[16:11:53] <Duesentrieb>	!shell | Agility
[16:11:53] --mwbot--	Agility: Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[16:17:40] <CIA-42>	03emil * r30673 10/trunk/extensions/WhosOnline/WhosOnline.php: added missing brackets in table schema
[16:17:53] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30674 10/trunk/extensions/Call/Call.i18n.php: more consisten translation of 'extension'
[16:21:12] <bcrosby>	question.. on a site thats not very busy, is it wise to run runJobs.php in a cron every hour or so?
[16:33:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add marker that forces a template to be always substituted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2003  (10N/A)
[16:38:02] <Enigma>	Is there an extension that allows sending a daily digest of the daily changes via e-mail
[16:39:55] <CIA-42>	03river * r30675 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (Modern.php modern/main.css): 
[16:39:55] <CIA-42>	format the sitesub, site notice and usermessage boxes into a single box with
[16:39:55] <CIA-42>	footer-grad border. this gives a consistent look to all of them, clearly
[16:39:55] <CIA-42>	divided from the content. when no boxes are displayed, the containing div has
[16:39:55] <CIA-42>	no height and the gradient doesn't show
[16:41:04] <T-Vairus>	I have installed the needed datas and place the code in the localsetting.php but it appears a messageerror: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: wfloadextensionmessages() in /var/www/web24/html/mediawiki/extensions/Cite/Cite.php on line 129
[16:41:16] <T-Vairus>	i mean this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php/de
[16:41:30] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: the prices i quoted were for a non-profit software supplier
[16:41:42] <flyingparchment>	Simetrical: the retail cost of server 2003 enterprise alone is $3,500
[16:41:45] <T-Vairus>	in which line I have to put the code?
[16:41:58] <T-Vairus>	require_once( "{$IP}/extensions/Cite/Cite.php" ); 
[16:42:00] <T-Vairus>	this code
[16:42:02] <T-Vairus>	:(
[16:43:02] <sushiguru>	Hi all.  I've just upgraded from 1.10 to 1.11 and now all of my thumbnails are not displaying.  Image folder was untouched, table is intact and all images are there OK.  I've run rebuildImages to no avail.  Server doesn't have ImageMagick installed so using default GD.  Anyone comeacross this before - why do thumbnails suddenly stop displaying?
[16:43:22] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: which version of MW do you use?
[16:43:39] <T-Vairus>	1.6
[16:43:51] <T-Vairus>	i read. it is possible with this version :(
[16:44:07] <T-Vairus>	i think i have put the code in the localsettings wrong
[16:44:38] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: Put it just on the bottom of LocalSettings.php
[16:45:09] <T-Vairus>	# $wgRightsCode = ""; # Not yet used
[16:45:11] <T-Vairus>	$wgDiff3 = "";
[16:45:13] <T-Vairus>	# When you make changes to this configuration file, this will make
[16:45:14] <T-Vairus>	# sure that cached pages are cleared.
[16:45:16] <T-Vairus>	$configdate = gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) );
[16:45:17] <T-Vairus>	$wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate );
[16:45:19] <T-Vairus>	?>
[16:45:21] <T-Vairus>	after the ?>
[16:45:23] <T-Vairus>	?
[16:45:32] <Isnogud>	!pastebin | T-Vairus 
[16:45:32] --mwbot--	T-Vairus: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[16:45:39] <T-Vairus>	sorry
[16:46:02] <Isnogud>	no. not after the ?> before.
[16:46:29] <T-Vairus>	i have it s - bu than the errormessage appers?
[16:46:38] <T-Vairus>	i dont understand...
[16:47:45] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: well. would you mind posting your LocalSettings to a pastebin? Do not forget to delete database user and password, and other secret stuff you placed there.
[16:48:03] <T-Vairus>	what is üpa
[16:48:09] <T-Vairus>	what is pastbin?
[16:48:18] <T-Vairus>	can i upload it to megaupload.com?
[16:48:25] <Isnogud>	well. i made the mwbot explain it to you.
[16:48:37] <T-Vairus>	really sorry :(
[16:49:05] <T-Vairus>	can i send it to you by query?
[16:49:16] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: well. no. paste it to the pastebin!
[16:49:49] <Isnogud>	If you want to upload it to whereever you want. but not here in the irc :)
[16:49:49] <T-Vairus>	sorry, but what is a pastebin!
[16:50:00] <T-Vairus>	ah ok - wait please :)
[16:50:04] <Isnogud>	!pastebin | T-Vairus 
[16:50:04] --mwbot--	T-Vairus: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as <http://mediawiki.pastey.net> and post a link to your paste in the channel.
[16:50:07] <Isnogud>	READ!
[16:53:42] <T-Vairus>	ok here :) http://www.resident-evil-virus.de/locallsetting.txt
[16:55:09] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: i can't find the entry for the Cite.php extension.
[16:56:21] <T-Vairus>	oh sorry, wait a sec :)
[16:57:09] <T-Vairus>	ok, now http://www.resident-evil-virus.de/locallsetting.txt
[16:59:43] <sushiguru>	Even better!  The thumb folder in images has a bunch of files listed as folders!
[17:02:36] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Fatal_error:_Call_to_undefined_function_wfloadextensionmessages
[17:03:40] <T-Vairus>	oh - so I have to update the mediawiki :(
[17:04:26] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: looks like the Citation is not compatible with 1.6
[17:04:50] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: well. maybe using an older version of Cite.php may fix that.
[17:05:07] <T-Vairus>	where can i download it?
[17:05:14] <T-Vairus>	the older version
[17:05:34] <CIA-42>	03leogregianin * r30676 10/trunk/tools/planet/pt/templates/index.html.tmpl: translate to portuguese
[17:05:52] <Isnogud>	T-Vairus: try this one: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_10/extensions/Cite/Cite.php
[17:06:18] <T-Vairus>	thanks - i will try it :)
[17:06:52] <bcrosby>	is there a tutorial somepalce on writing wikibots?
[17:09:49] <e_s_p>	tutorial?
[17:10:19] <e_s_p>	bcrosby: you should probably just use one of the libraries, like pywikipediabot or WWW::MediaWiki::Client (perl)
[17:10:31] <bcrosby>	e: ahh yeah
[17:10:36] <bcrosby>	i'll take a look at the perl library
[17:14:18] <sushiguru>	will try again tomorrow :|
[17:15:49] <e_s_p>	bcrosby: it's good, I use it a lot
[17:16:17] <e_s_p>	It's got a version-control-style interface
[17:16:22] <e_s_p>	So you checkin and checkout articles
[17:16:34] <e_s_p>	And then just edit them however you want
[17:17:51] <T-Vairus>	Isnogud - it hasnt work, i have to wait for the server update to PHP5 but I thanks for the support :)#
[17:24:55] <bcrosby>	e_s_p: yeah Im installing it now.. CVS for mediawiki
[17:24:56] <bcrosby>	nice :)
[17:39:48] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: Brion just replied, said he'll be away for a couple of days, family emergency
[17:43:27] <flyingparchment>	will he do a release when he's back?
[17:48:06] <RoanKattouw>	Well he also had a comment about how using <script src="api.php?etc"> is the only way you can fetch API stuff from another domain
[17:48:15] <RoanKattouw>	So the security issue is present by default
[17:48:37] <RoanKattouw>	I'll forward his comments, along with mine, to wikitech-l later this evening (gotta catch my badminton training first ;) )
[17:49:39] <flyingparchment>	i think you should wait until the problem is fixed before you disclose it
[17:50:51] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: It is, isn't it? You applied a quick and dirty solution to the live servers, you said
[17:51:01] <RoanKattouw>	Other than edit tokens I see no XSRF opportunities
[17:51:02] <flyingparchment>	yes, which does nothing for every other mediawiki installation
[17:51:20] <RoanKattouw>	True
[17:51:38] <RoanKattouw>	Is their like a closed list for this kind of stuff?
[17:51:57] <flyingparchment>	no
[17:52:09] <flyingparchment>	weren't you just going to remove the offending feature?
[17:52:14] <RoanKattouw>	Yes, I was
[17:52:37] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, I gotta run now
[17:52:53] <RoanKattouw>	If you're still here in say 2 hrs we can talk about it further
[17:53:21] <bcrosby>	e_s_p: do you know of a way to get mvs to download all of the site articles? similar to cvs checkout?
[17:53:51] <shortcircuit>	Crud puppies.
[17:54:30] <shortcircuit>	Something changed, and now "C++" loads "C" again.  I think something changed on the shared hosting server.
[17:57:51] <shortcircuit>	Ah, I see what's happening.  mod_rewewrite is replacing %2B with a space.
[17:58:06] <shortcircuit>	*rewrite
[18:00:41] <shortcircuit>	Or maybe not.  It looks like MediaWiki generates URLs to articles with + signs using the literal +, rather than %2B.
[18:02:09] <flyingparchment>	that works fine if the title isn't in a URL parameter
[18:02:57] <shortcircuit>	But navigation around mw requires that...
[18:03:55] <shortcircuit>	Articles are loaded with title=(titlename).  if titlename contains a +, I've got problems.
[18:04:22] <shortcircuit>	What's weird is this was working fine for several months...
[18:04:40] <flyingparchment>	shortcircuit: if you're using mod_rewrite, it's not a URL parameter
[18:04:48] <flyingparchment>	(when it is a URL parameter, it becomes encoded)
[18:05:08] <shortcircuit>	RewriteRule ^wiki/?(.*)$ /w/index.php?title=$1 [L,QSA]
[18:05:41] <shortcircuit>	If I understand regex (and I thought I did), that takes any text after "wiki/", and appends it to "title="
[18:06:24] <Hydrar>	Anyone know how to find detailed info about what is going wrong with the sendmail system? My wiki just says "Mailer returned: mailer error". using Fedora 8 as os :/
[18:07:39] <shortcircuit>	Try #linux
[18:08:58] <Hydrar>	ok
[18:10:16] <flyingparchment>	shortcircuit: you will probably get better results mapping to index.php/$1
[18:11:45] <shortcircuit>	flyingparchment: Got a "No input file provided" error.
[18:12:07] <shortcircuit>	er.  let me try that again.
[18:12:12] <shortcircuit>	I'd removed the L flag.
[18:12:50] <shortcircuit>	Nope.  Same problem.
[18:14:23] <Urobore>	Bonjour !
[18:14:46] <Urobore>	(sorry, is it an english language channel ?)
[18:14:58] <shortcircuit>	Urobore: Usually. :-)
[18:15:18] <TimLaqua>	german seems to pop in now and then
[18:15:23] <Urobore>	I'll try to speak as correctly as possible :p
[18:16:16] <Urobore>	In fact, I come here because I need some help with my mediawiki stuff but I don't know if this is the right place
[18:16:27] <TimLaqua>	!ask
[18:16:27] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[18:16:30] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[18:17:04] <shortcircuit>	"Is this an English channel" is a valid intro, though, if you're now. :-)
[18:17:12] <shortcircuit>	*new
[18:17:38] <Urobore>	Ok... So : do some people here know how Pywikipedia bot work ?
[18:17:55] <Urobore>	shortcircuit> thanks ^^
[18:17:58] <TimLaqua>	do they have their own channel?
[18:18:11] <Urobore>	That is the question, TimLaqua ! :-)
[18:18:14] <TimLaqua>	I haven't seen much pywikipediabot support here...
[18:18:24] <TimLaqua>	good question.  ;-)
[18:19:14] <flyingparchment>	#pywikipediabot
[18:19:29] <Urobore>	flyingparchment> On the same server ?
[18:19:57] <Urobore>	(Ok, it seems it's the right place. Thank you, flyingparchment ^^
[18:20:09] <Dashiva>	flyingparchment: Is it still populated by chanserv and no one else?
[18:33:31] <e_s_p>	bcrosby: nope
[18:33:40] <e_s_p>	but you can get lists of articles from elsewhere
[18:33:44] <bcrosby>	yeah
[18:33:47] <bcrosby>	thats what I ended up doing
[18:33:53] <bcrosby>	wrote a shell script
[18:34:00] <e_s_p>	There you go
[18:34:12] <bcrosby>	just going to take time as there are over 2000 articles I need to fetch
[18:36:21] <CIA-42>	03tlaqua * r30677 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/ (UserMerge.i18n.php UserMerge.php UserMerge_body.php): 
[18:36:21] <CIA-42>	* Switched all output messages from wfMsgForContent() to wfMsg()
[18:36:21] <CIA-42>	* Blocked users from deleting themselves
[18:45:30] <CIA-42>	03tlaqua * r30678 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge_body.php: * Disallowing deleting user_id 1 (WikiSysop/Admin/whatever)
[18:49:31] <Agility>	hmm can anyone help me for a moment
[18:49:40] <Agility>	I guess I screwed something up big-time
[18:50:29] <Agility>	anyone?
[18:50:40] <TimLaqua>	please ask your question
[18:50:59] <Agility>	I just upgraded from 1.10.1 to 1.11.1
[18:51:05] <Agility>	some hours ago, and had to work, just abck
[18:51:16] <Agility>	I came as far as uploading
[18:51:27] <Agility>	everything done and looks good
[18:51:29] <Agility>	butehhmm..
[18:51:47] <Agility>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/index.php/Main_Page
[18:52:02] <TimLaqua>	yup
[18:52:05] <Agility>	.. I previously only had that at special pages
[18:52:09] <TimLaqua>	disable that extension
[18:52:17] <TimLaqua>	and get a new version that returns properly
[18:52:22] <Agility>	and I set that $wgShowExceptionDetails = true;
[18:52:31] <TimLaqua>	yeah, disable that extension
[18:52:39] <Agility>	so I have to disable that, and then re-upload everything?
[18:52:45] <TimLaqua>	no, your wiki's fine
[18:52:56] <TimLaqua>	just disable the extension in LocalSettigns.php (comment it out)
[18:53:14] <Agility>	alrighty
[18:53:15] <Agility>	done
[18:53:19] <Agility>	and then.. we get
[18:53:24] <Agility>	Internal error
[18:53:24] <Agility>	Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; in LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.
[18:53:26] <Agility>	=/
[18:53:26] <TimLaqua>	ya, turn that off.
[18:53:37] <TimLaqua>	wait... ha.  turn that on
[18:53:42] <Agility>	again
[18:53:43] <Agility>	?
[18:53:51] <TimLaqua>	turn the exception details on
[18:53:57] <TimLaqua>	leave that other extension commented out
[18:54:23] <Agility>	done
[18:54:31] <TimLaqua>	ok, you're still loading that extension
[18:54:37] <Agility>	got $wgShowExceptionDetaisl = true;
[18:54:43] <TimLaqua>	yeah, that line's fine
[18:54:50] <Agility>	what one isnt?
[18:54:56] <TimLaqua>	that PJIRC extension
[18:55:00] <Agility>	owh
[18:55:05] <Agility>	owh let me see
[18:55:25] <Agility>	require_once("extensions/PJIRC/SpecialIRC.php"); <-- deleted that line now
[18:55:34] <TimLaqua>	yup, you're good.
[18:55:34] <lugburtz>	stfu
[18:55:38] <Agility>	:O a miracle
[18:55:43] <lugburtz>	stfu
[18:55:46] <TimLaqua>	now just go get a new version of the PJIRC extension
[18:56:03] <Agility>	owh lol
[18:56:07] *Agility 	smacks head agaisnt the wall
[18:56:17] <TimLaqua>	as long as the new version says it supports 1.11, you're good
[18:56:21] <Agility>	thanks Tim
[18:56:27] <lugburtz>	stfu
[18:56:30] <Agility>	didnt knew one extension could screw up a whole wiki..
[18:56:30] <TimLaqua>	1.10 handled bad returns from extensions differently
[18:56:35] <lugburtz>	stfu
[18:56:39] <TimLaqua>	oh yeah it can
[18:57:02] <Agility>	huray
[18:57:03] <Agility>	MediaWiki: 1.11.1 
[18:57:06] <Agility>	^^
[18:57:11] <TimLaqua>	in my experience, that's usually what breaks wikis.  ;-)
[18:57:38] <Agility>	Uncategorized templates <-- that special page, thats why I upgraded
[18:57:44] <Agility>	and most-linked to templates
[18:58:01] <Agility>	incredible handy =)
[18:58:08] <Agility>	ty man
[18:58:23] <TimLaqua>	np
[18:59:20] <Agility>	hmm
[18:59:22] <Agility>	1.10+ (tested) 1.7+ (supposed)
[18:59:24] <Agility>	for PJIRC
[18:59:34] <TimLaqua>	give me a link to PJIRC
[18:59:38] <TimLaqua>	the extension page
[18:59:48] <Agility>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:PJIRC
[18:59:50] <Agility>	talk page
[18:59:52] <Agility>	about 1.11.1
[19:00:06] <Agility>	I guess that means changing something within the script
[19:00:08] <TimLaqua>	yup
[19:00:12] <Agility>	that darn little line =')
[19:00:24] <Agility>	its beautiful how 1 line can screw up an entire wiki
[19:00:35] <Agility>	atleast.. beautifull after you got it fixed again
[19:00:58] <ialex>	Agility: i tried something in code try to replace the code of SpecialIRC_body.php with the one in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PJIRC
[19:01:17] <TimLaqua>	someone already added in that return true
[19:01:23] <Agility>	owh
[19:01:29] <TimLaqua>	ialex?
[19:01:34] <ialex>	yup
[19:01:37] <Agility>	ah yes I see
[19:01:37] <TimLaqua>	;-)
[19:02:30] <Agility>	that return true just at the end of _body right?
[19:03:01] <TimLaqua>	well, you could just cut and paste the whole thing
[19:03:09] <ialex>	it is the last command of PJIRC::loadMessages()
[19:03:43] <Agility>	copy + paste means I have to fill in server and channel and port info again
[19:03:45] <Agility>	I hate that lol
[19:04:02] <TimLaqua>	he hardcoded it in the extension?
[19:04:34] <Agility>	wow wow.. dont use terms like hardcoded.. Im newb
[19:04:46] <TimLaqua>	all settings can also  be overridden with Mediawiki:IrcXxxx pages
[19:05:01] <Agility>	the time I implanted the extension, it wasnt changed yet for 1.11.1 because 1.10.1 was the highest version
[19:05:07] <TimLaqua>	yeah]
[19:06:58] <Agility>	ah yes it works
[19:07:02] <Agility>	ty Tim and Ialex
[19:09:20] <Agility>	butehhmm..
[19:09:37] <Agility>	since PJIRC caused trouble from 1.10.1 to 1.11.1, other extensions will also?
[19:11:07] <ialex>	Agility: if they are well coded, it shouldn't
[19:11:14] <ialex>	:)
[19:11:56] <Agility>	well.. that means that things are screwed up then
[19:12:05] <Agility>	as well coded isnt what I call common..
[19:12:28] <Agility>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/index.php/Main_Page
[19:12:40] <Agility>	the create article input-button thing is screwed up too :O
[19:12:50] <Agility>	the button gives strange characters lol
[19:12:56] <Agility>	it looks funny
[19:13:32] <Agility>	ialex.. do you know that create box extension by any chance too?
[19:13:51] <ialex>	i'm reading the code
[19:14:47] <Agility>	this one yes
[19:14:47] <Agility>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CreateBox
[19:16:44] <movaxes>	hi, I have a problem with the permissions of LocalSettings.php, since its owner is apache I don't know how to change the permissions, "chmod 600 LocalSettings.php" won't let me
[19:17:45] <movaxes>	how can I change permissions to the file? "chown name file" don't work either
[19:18:22] <Agility>	Hmm.. now it might be just a stupid answer, but I did it with accessing my host with FTP within most FTP programs you have an option to change chmod
[19:18:51] <Agility>	can access it with ftp?
[19:19:04] <movaxes>	Agility: I did try that but didn't work, I always get "chmod: changing permissions of `LocalSettings.php': Operation not permitted"
[19:19:28] <movaxes>	maybe because the owner is "apache" I can't change permissions? don't have root access
[19:19:37] <Agility>	ah
[19:19:48] <Agility>	if you dont have root access that might be the prob
[19:20:01] <Agility>	the server isnt yours, I guess?
[19:20:20] <movaxes>	no, I have ssh access but not root
[19:21:25] <Agility>	last thing you can do is asking the server operator, theres things you can do in between, but Im not the right person to ask those what to do at such a situation
[19:21:50] <Agility>	might have to do with that the server is apache tho
[19:21:59] <Agility>	should ask someone else
[19:22:00] <ialex>	Agility: this happens when calling a message that doesn't exist, you can just edit MediaWiki:Createarticle and put "Create article" or whatever you want
[19:22:08] <movaxes>	Agility: ok, thanks for the help
[19:23:30] <Agility>	making the page Mediawiki:Createarticle and pasting in Create Article doesnt work
[19:24:21] <Agility>	:Create will do, I guess
[19:24:22] <ialex>	Agility: this message existed in 1.10 but i think it was removed in core
[19:24:56] <ialex>	Agility: it works, just clear the cache
[19:25:07] <ialex>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge
[19:25:21] <Agility>	yes Ive fixed it :P
[19:26:06] <ialex>	Agility: and you didn't do the schema upgrdes
[19:26:19] <Agility>	.. I didnt?
[19:26:33] <TimLaqua>	did you run update.php or re-run the web installer?
[19:26:35] <Agility>	I did do alternative option number 2 with upgrading after uploading in the Guide
[19:26:48] <Agility>	i Ran update.php and said successfully installed :P
[19:27:01] <TimLaqua>	that should have updated the schema
[19:27:07] <ialex>	but didn't : http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/index.php/MediaWiki:Create
[19:27:28] <TimLaqua>	indeed
[19:27:54] <Agility>	I changed Create to Create article
[19:28:23] <Agility>	Mediawiki:Create might be dead, but the extension itself works lol
[19:28:54] <Agility>	very important to update "scheme's?"
[19:29:07] <Agility>	everything works properly for now
[19:34:08] <ialex>	Agility: you won't be able to see any page that contains an image
[19:35:30] <Urobore>	How many weeks do we have to wait on a channel to have an answer ? >-D
[19:36:34] <TimLaqua>	which channel, pywikipediabot?
[19:45:58] <NickC>	how can I add a captcha to the registration of my wiki?
[19:46:03] <NickC>	its powered by mediawiki of course
[19:46:46] <Agony>	hi, is it known issue that MediaWiki namespace do not support scandinavian characters (like ä, ö, å)? I just tried to use Järjestelmäviesti:Gadget-metavälilehti but it didn't worked until I changed ä from name to a (in form of Järjestelmäviesti:Gadget-metavalilehti). This is bit confusing since in fiwiki MediaWiki namespace itself contain ä's (Järjestelmäviesti)
[19:48:38] <Nikerabbit>	    102                 else if ( preg_match( '/^\*+ *([a-zA-Z](?:[-_:.\w\d ]*[a-zA-Z0-9])?)\s*((\|[^|]*)+)\s*$/', $line, $m ) ) {
[19:48:46] <TimLaqua>	lol
[19:49:08] <Agility>	ialex: I hate to run the update.php again?
[19:49:53] <ialex>	Agility: yes, but backup the database first
[19:49:59] <Agility>	already done ;)
[19:50:09] <ialex>	Agility: so try it
[19:50:10] <Agility>	can I also just run the config/ install thing?
[19:50:15] <Nikerabbit>	I wonder why that regexp is so complicated
[19:50:49] <Urobore>	TimLaqua> Sorry, I took a phone call. Yes : how many weeks do we have to wait on a channel (pywikipedia one) to have an answer ?
[19:51:02] <CharlieHuggard>	NickC: I'm not too familiar with captchas on wikis, but look into the ConfirmEdit and/or reCAPTCHA extensions
[19:51:03] <Urobore>	(It's more a joke than something really serious ;) )
[19:52:09] <ialex>	Agility: if you want
[19:52:15] <ialex>	hmm
[19:52:22] <ialex>	* Legendrunner
[19:52:25] <Legendrunner>	:P
[19:52:56] <AzaTht>	anyone could check a bug on wikinews for me?
[19:53:26] <AzaTht>	dunno where it's derived from
[19:53:42] <AzaTht>	on http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Talk:Mitt_Romney_suspends_his_United_States_presidential_campaign%2C_McCain_and_Huckabee_remain
[19:53:54] <AzaTht>	the "opinions" tab doesn't work
[19:56:16] <Urobore>	About MediaWiki : does MediaWiki:commons.js exist on ancient versions of MW (as 1.6.7, the one I use ?)
[19:56:52] <TimLaqua>	is it a public wiki?
[19:56:56] <Urobore>	Yes
[19:57:00] <TimLaqua>	link?
[19:57:04] <Urobore>	http://esopedia.urobore.net
[19:57:17] <Urobore>	(but writing isn't allowed in anonymous)
[19:57:27] <TimLaqua>	yup
[19:58:12] <Urobore>	"yup" ? You mean : it exists ?
[19:58:36] <AzaTht>	yup
[19:58:51] <Urobore>	Oooooh, shit.
[19:58:53] <Urobore>	Sorry.
[19:59:30] <Urobore>	I forgot a character
[20:01:56] <NickC>	can someone tell me what version of mediawiki I am using/
[20:02:06] <NickC>	http://nationofmen.net/Wiki
[20:02:15] <[Hyarion]>	go to Special:Version
[20:02:39] <Jack_Phoenix>	NickC: http://nationofmen.net/mediawiki-1.6.10/index.php?title=Special:Version => MediaWiki: 1.6.10 and even the url seems to have that part...
[20:02:44] <TimLaqua>	lol, the folder is mediawiki-1.6.10
[20:02:50] <[Hyarion]>	lol
[20:03:00] <NickC>	oh yeah
[20:03:01] <NickC>	lol
[20:03:11] <NickC>	didn't notice that, always just use the redirect
[20:03:58] <[Hyarion]>	yay, finally got PHP5 installed so I can start upgrading to the latest version of MW.
[20:13:09] <gcardinal>	mediawiki has export function that produces an xml dump. is it possible to include that dump "live" in article on another wiki?
[20:16:00] <gcardinal>	wiht other words including dump from Special:Export on another's wiki article
[20:20:43] <Viper550>	I actually made an implementation of Ambox which does not require editing of common.css
[20:25:49] <Urobore>	Hmmm
[20:25:58] <Urobore>	Sorry but I've got a problem
[20:26:10] <Urobore>	I wanted to add a button on MediaWiki:common.js
[20:27:05] <Urobore>	As described on the MediaWiki Manual:FAQ
[20:27:27] <Urobore>	And it doesn't seem to work when I add the text to MediaWiki:Common.js on my Wiki
[20:27:33] <Urobore>	I don't understand
[20:27:35] <alnokta>	Nikerabbit) there?
[20:28:36] <Urobore>	There ?
[20:29:01] <Urobore>	(Oh, sorry)
[20:44:39] <jlhenry>	is it normal that dumpBackup.php does not backup all the namespaces? Using 1.9.2.
[20:47:08] <gusl>	hello
[20:47:28] <gusl>	I'm doing an emergency backup
[20:47:40] <gusl>	is wikidb.tar enough to restore the wiki?
[20:51:00] <flyingparchment>	what is "wikidb.tar"?
[20:53:11] <gusl>	the admin tarred the wikidb into a file
[20:53:23] <flyingparchment>	'the wikidb'?  a mysqldump output?
[20:53:32] <gusl>	I think wikidb is a MySQL databse, but you guys would know better than me
[20:53:42] <flyingparchment>	what is inside the tar file?
[20:54:05] <gusl>	gw_searchindex.MYI
[20:54:22] <gusl>	about 30 gw_* files
[20:54:39] <gusl>	31 actually
[20:54:39] <flyingparchment>	you should not back up a database that way.
[20:54:48] <gusl>	how should one?
[20:54:48] <flyingparchment>	does the archive contain any files named *.ibd?
[20:54:58] <gusl>	db.opt
[20:55:00] <flyingparchment>	the correct way is with mysqldump
[20:55:01] <gusl>	that's all
[20:55:27] <flyingparchment>	what about revision.MYD?
[20:55:31] <gusl>	can you tell me how that's done?
[20:55:48] <gusl>	nope
[20:56:10] <flyingparchment>	your backup is insufficient to restore the database, it omits all the information stored in innodb
[20:56:18] <gusl>	31 gw_* files + db.opt
[20:56:21] <flyingparchment>	(which is the vast majority of the information)
[20:56:28] <gusl>	ok
[20:56:33] <gusl>	can you tell me what to do?
[20:56:40] <flyingparchment>	what do you want to do?
[20:57:43] <gusl>	download a file into my laptop
[20:57:53] <gusl>	or anywhere safe
[20:58:01] <flyingparchment>	'a file'?
[20:58:21] <Duesentrieb>	gusl: so, make a proper database dump (or get the admin to make one).
[20:58:21] <gusl>	the db
[20:58:43] <flyingparchment>	mysqldump --opt -u<username> -p <databasename> | gzip > backup.sql.gz
[20:59:09] <e_s_p>	you can also make dumps with phpmysql, I think
[20:59:35] <flyingparchment>	for most installs, you want --default-character-set=latin1 as well, otherwise the dump can end up corrupt
[20:59:44] <Duesentrieb>	e_s_p: why phpmyadmin you mean. yes, you can, but it has even more issues with character encoding etc than the command line version.
[20:59:49] <flyingparchment>	i'm not sure about phpmysql (not heard of it), but the dumps phpmyadmin produces are generally not usable
[20:59:50] <gusl>	hmm, if I ssh into the server, that should be doable, right?
[20:59:58] <flyingparchment>	gusl: yes
[21:00:17] <Duesentrieb>	i tend to recommend to make an xml dump in addition to the db dump, for good measure.
[21:04:44] <TimLaqua>	flyingparchment: can't he just expand the datafiles back in to the correct location?
[21:05:13] <flyingparchment>	TimLaqua: yes, but it would be futile, because innodb does not store data inside the database directory, rather in the innodb data file
[21:05:49] <TimLaqua>	where's the innodb file?
[21:05:56] <Duesentrieb>	TimLaqua: the trouble is that the innodb datafile contains all data from all databases. so you may nto want  to give that to a user, he would be able to see all user's data.
[21:06:01] <flyingparchment>	by default, in the root of the data directory
[21:06:08] <flyingparchment>	the admin can configure it to be anywhere
[21:06:18] <TimLaqua>	hey, good call.  it's a monster.  ;-)
[21:06:48] <Duesentrieb>	for a dedicated server, it's ok to snapshot that to make a backup.
[21:06:55] <Duesentrieb>	on a shared host, that's not realy an option
[21:07:05] <flyingparchment>	'snapshot' is the important word there: it must be an atomic snapshot of the data file and the logfiles
[21:07:17] <flyingparchment>	you cannot just copy the innodb files, or you will have a corrupt database
[21:07:26] <Duesentrieb>	unless you shut down mysql first
[21:07:42] <flyingparchment>	yes
[21:07:48] <Duesentrieb>	gree..
[21:07:50] <alnokta>	isn't that useful? --innodb-file-per-table 
[21:08:00] <flyingparchment>	alnokta: it has little use
[21:08:12] <Duesentrieb>	err, grrr... on my host, php cli complains about some open basedir cruft. which gets warnings mixed into the xml output :(
[21:08:20] <gusl>	does it hurt if two people run mysqldump at the same time?
[21:08:27] <flyingparchment>	no
[21:08:46] <Duesentrieb>	gusl: using mysqldump should be as safe as generally using your database.
[21:09:11] <alnokta>	flyingparchment) when to use it?
[21:09:23] <flyingparchment>	alnokta: i can't imagine any reason to use it
[21:11:11] <alnokta>	i set it only for the bug that it doesn't reduce size when i drop a db
[21:11:14] <gusl>	clarification: you mean mysqldump --opt -u <username> -p <password> wikidb | gzip > backup.sql.gz   ?
[21:11:20] <flyingparchment>	that's not a bug
[21:11:23] <RoanKattouw>	flyingparchment: I'm back
[21:11:50] <alnokta>	it isn't?
[21:11:58] <flyingparchment>	no, it's just how innodb works
[21:12:16] <flyingparchment>	reducing the file size would only be possible if the data you removed happened to be at the very end of the file, which is quite unlikely
[21:12:33] <flyingparchment>	gusl: add --default-character-set=latin1, then yes
[21:12:46] <alnokta>	ah
[21:13:45] <alnokta>	would someone ask nike why we cannot translate skin names in translatewiki.net? 
[21:15:11] <gusl>	my admin said "go to phpMyAdmin from plesk and backup your db"
[21:15:28] <gusl>	is anyone familiar with Plesk's backup?
[21:16:10] <flyingparchment>	phpmyadmin cannot generate useful backups of the database
[21:17:21] <Legendrunner>	gusl
[21:17:25] <Legendrunner>	what I did also within plesk
[21:17:35] <Legendrunner>	was going to phpmyadmin and you see somewhere at the right Export
[21:18:04] <flyingparchment>	again: phpmyadmin cannot generate useful backups of the database
[21:18:11] <Legendrunner>	just selected the whole (for me it was wikidb) database I wanted to backup, did some settings and said I wanted it as .zip, and hit OK
[21:18:29] <Legendrunner>	so flying, how else can you make a useful backup?
[21:18:39] <flyingparchment>	mysqldump
[21:19:03] <flyingparchment>	you can also back up the page text with maintenance/dumpBackup.php, but it won't back up user accounts or some other metadata
[21:27:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) CheckUser installation for MediaWiki 1.12 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12959 15enhancement; high; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (whitwood1986)
[21:27:50] <RoanKattouw>	Hi Brion
[21:28:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Makesysop shouldn't have userrights-interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12960 major; high; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (whitwood1986)
[21:31:12] <gusl>	flying: I went to that page but it said I had no permissions
[21:31:28] <gusl>	dumpBackup.php
[21:31:31] <AzaTht>	brion: do you have time for a question?
[21:32:26] <gusl>	maybe I need to login as wiki admin?
[21:32:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bogus email error message when creating an account ( $wgSMTP only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11567  (10ot-wikimedia)
[21:32:38] <gusl>	problem is I don't know how to do that
[21:32:56] <RoanKattouw>	gusl: you don't go to that page, you run it from the shell
[21:32:57] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Request for Page namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877  +comment (10smihael)
[21:33:01] <RoanKattouw>	!shell | gusl
[21:33:01] --mwbot--	gusl: Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[21:33:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bogus email error message when creating an account ( $wgSMTP only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11567  +comment (10ot-wikimedia)
[21:33:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bogus email error message when creating an account ( $wgSMTP only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11567  +comment (10ot-wikimedia)
[21:33:29] <gusl>	mwbot: I have PuTTY up
[21:33:48] <AzaTht>	gusl: mwbot is a bot
[21:34:00] <RoanKattouw>	gusl: Good, then go to the maintenance directory and run "php dumpBackup.php"
[21:34:03] <RoanKattouw>	!backup | gusl
[21:34:03] --mwbot--	gusl: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[21:34:13] <RoanKattouw>	More info at the link above ^
[21:35:14] <gusl>	ok, the server admin made me a wikidb.sql file
[21:35:17] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10edward)
[21:35:59] <flyingparchment>	gusl: make sure he used --default-character-set=latin1 when creating it
[21:39:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special: Protectedtitles should be sortable by protection level like Special: Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12961 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mike.lifeguard)
[21:39:23] <MZMcBride>	AzaTht: pong, pong
[21:39:37] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: and a year after
[21:39:42] <AzaTht>	still
[21:39:43] <gusl>	RoanKattouw: what is the maintnance directory?
[21:40:00] <gusl>	RoanKattouw: what is the maintenance directory?
[21:40:05] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: is it that messages aint passed through tidy?
[21:40:09] <RoanKattouw>	Go to the directory where index.php is --> there's a directory in there called maintenance
[21:40:20] <MZMcBride>	AzaTht: i don't think so
[21:40:31] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:40:34] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: don't dont, or dont do?
[21:40:44] <MZMcBride>	i don't think messages are passed through Tidy
[21:40:56] <AzaTht>	we had a probelm with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext
[21:41:07] <AzaTht>	where a missing </div> resulted in broken xhtml
[21:42:48] <MZMcBride>	yeah; i've seen that issue before; unclosed tags in MediaWiki: pages can seriously screw up stuff
[21:43:15] <gusl>	I just ran dumpBackup.php
[21:43:26] <gusl>	but I need more arguments
[21:43:44] <RoanKattouw>	!backup | gusl
[21:43:44] --mwbot--	gusl: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[21:43:53] <AzaTht>	MZMcBride: shouldn't such messages also go via tidy if tidy is used?
[21:44:22] <MZMcBride>	perhaps, but it could complicate things
[21:44:55] <MZMcBride>	it would be better if sysops simply closed their tags ;)
[21:45:08] <AzaTht>	haha
[21:45:30] <gusl>	Ok using --current .  I get this message: Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.</strong></p><p>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
[21:46:09] <jlhenry>	brion, for you, what is the best way to unfuckedup "Illegal mix of collations" errors... I've passed so many days trying sqldump iconv, dumpbackup... I'm a bit lost...
[21:49:04] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30679 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: 
[21:49:04] <CIA-42>	Update 'editinguser'. Clearer message, more information.
[21:49:04] <CIA-42>	Suggested by: SPQRobin
[21:50:44] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30680 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Escape a few apostrophs
[21:51:01] <MZMcBride>	it contains scripts for maintenance of the DB
[21:51:06] <gcardinal>	how can I including dump from Special:Export on another's wiki article?
[21:51:19] <MZMcBride>	oop
[21:51:55] <Duesentrieb>	gcardinal: import it, then include it?
[21:52:38] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: whatchathink? http://brightbyte.de/page/MediaWiki_backup
[21:53:24] <gcardinal>	gcardinal no do a live export then include
[21:53:30] <gcardinal>	like embed the export from another wiki
[21:56:34] <gusl>	does the file wikidb.sql have all the page data?
[21:58:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) ArbCom Wiki request for nl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12962 15enhancement; high; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (dolledre)
[21:59:42] <jasd>	hi
[22:00:45] <jasd>	may i disable urls for normal surfers, so they are only visible to users logged in?
[22:00:51] <toolskyn>	hey guys, does anyone know if there's some sort of option to disable the entire wiki at once, some kind of 'under construction'-mode, for mediawiki?
[22:02:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ArbCom Wiki request for nl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12962   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[22:02:26] <MinuteElectron>	!readonly | toolskyn 
[22:02:26] --mwbot--	toolskyn: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadOnly
[22:02:38] <toolskyn>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgReadOnly
[22:02:42] <toolskyn>	whoops
[22:02:47] <toolskyn>	thanks!
[22:03:03] <MinuteElectron>	yw
[22:04:09] <silly>	I just installed mediawiki in a new folder, and something strange happens.. Image links are blue and not red. Does anyone know why?
[22:04:42] <silly>	there is no image by that name so i thought the link should be red.. No?
[22:06:39] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30681 10/trunk/phase3/ (34 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-07 22:52 CET)
[22:08:23] <silly>	I just installed mediawiki in a new folder, and something strange happens.. Image links are blue and not red. Does anyone know why?
[22:09:19] <MinuteElectron>	!repeat | silly 
[22:09:19] --mwbot--	silly: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[22:11:43] <silly>	sure sorry
[22:12:09] <MinuteElectron>	hmm, that factoid is a bit harsh.
[22:16:58] <silly>	Not meaning to repeat myself at all but, can anyone tell me if this is normal? Should an image link (where there is no image) be blue in the new mediawiki?
[22:17:40] <silly>	the reason i ask is that i have another more serious related problem
[22:18:13] <TimLaqua>	silly no
[22:18:30] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30682 10/trunk/extensions/ (93 files in 91 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-07 22:52 CET)
[22:18:38] <TimLaqua>	silly: is it a pulbic wiki?  can we get a link?
[22:18:44] <silly>	No meaning an image link should not be blue?
[22:18:50] <silly>	yes it is public
[22:18:52] <TimLaqua>	correct.  not by default
[22:19:02] <TimLaqua>	ok, can you post alink?
[22:20:05] <silly>	http://en.etnopedia.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 
[22:20:22] <silly>	English Spanish Portuguese are fine
[22:20:34] <silly>	German, French are the new installs
[22:20:35] <TimLaqua>	which language is wrong?
[22:20:44] <silly>	German and French
[22:21:50] <TimLaqua>	in the german one, where is there a non-existant image link?
[22:22:33] <silly>	you can create one
[22:22:47] <silly>	just preview please
[22:22:57] <silly>	 or ill create one for you
[22:23:06] <TimLaqua>	preview is fine
[22:23:58] <TimLaqua>	the images aren't getting the class="new" for the link
[22:24:13] <silly>	Bild:Test.jpg 
[22:24:15] <OverlordQ>	that, and they dont link to Special:Upload like
[22:24:19] <silly>	is now on the main page
[22:24:27] <OverlordQ>	normal no-such-image links do
[22:25:17] <silly>	what is class="new"
[22:25:26] <Skizzerz>	the redlinks
[22:25:53] <silly>	could it be an installation problem? 
[22:26:03] <OverlordQ>	that's a side-effect though
[22:26:17] <TimLaqua>	not sure - you could try 1.11.1
[22:26:19] <silly>	the crazy thing is I installed French and German and they both do this
[22:26:28] <TimLaqua>	but that's not a known issue in any release
[22:26:40] <silly>	Well the more serious problem is that commons dont work at all
[22:27:00] <OverlordQ>	?
[22:27:10] <silly>	they do on the other wikis English Spanish etc
[22:27:46] <OverlordQ>	config problem most likely then
[22:28:04] <silly>	I upgraded the ones that work from 1.8.x to 1.11.0 and they all worked. I added German and French as fresh installs
[22:28:36] <silly>	Right, Ive spent 3 hours today looking through bugzilla, no luck
[22:29:42] <silly>	you mean server config
[22:29:58] <CIA-42>	03raymond * r30683 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/ (UserMerge.i18n.php UserMerge.php): Add 'descriptionmsg' for Special:Version
[22:31:58] <jelle_>	where do I change the language for the whole site (not per user)
[22:37:48] <OverlordQ>	MW config
[22:48:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ArbCom Wiki request for nl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12962  +comment (10cbrown1023)
[22:53:17] <CIA-42>	03raymond * r30684 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge.i18n.php: Tweak english messages a bit (spaces, capital letters) to be consistent with other extensions.
[22:53:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ArbCom Wiki request for nl.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12962  (10dolledre)
[22:57:16] <Wiredtape>	ok, so <?php $this->html('bottomscripts'); /*JS call to runBodyOnloadHook */ ?> - is inside a div... which one...? (in monobook skin, line 272)
[23:04:55] <TherWoozly>	There seems to be a problem regarding images with an ampersand in the filename -- even though the ampersand gets properly encoded to %26, the title gets truncated at the ampersand when attempting to access the page.
[23:05:32] <TherWoozly>	It *may* be something to do with the URL shortening technique I'm using... if I use the format "?title=Image:nameOfImage.jpg", it works fine.
[23:05:52] <TherWoozly>	But I wouldn't think that the URL shortening would truncate anything.
[23:06:10] <TherWoozly>	Sample links:
[23:06:15] <TherWoozly>	Doesn't work -- http://wiki.hypertwins.org/index.php/Image:Tentacles%26Kitten.jpg
[23:06:40] <TherWoozly>	Does work: http://wiki.hypertwins.org/?title=Image:Tentacles%26Kitten.jpg
[23:07:15] <TherWoozly>	The top version without the "index.php" also doesn't work.
[23:07:39] <TherWoozly>	If nobody else has run into this, I'll have to do some more debugging later. (Working on a deadline at the moment.)
[23:08:13] <TherWoozly>	(MW 1.11.0)
[23:08:31] <Wiredtape>	TherWoozly, ampersand's don't work very well in url's
[23:08:34] <Wiredtape>	even if encoded
[23:08:47] <TherWoozly>	Hmm...
[23:08:48] <Wiredtape>	a good example is making a category that has ampersand in it..
[23:08:54] <Wiredtape>	there are ways around it..
[23:08:55] <TherWoozly>	The file upload page ought to remove them, maybe.
[23:09:09] <TherWoozly>	People keep using them in their images, and I can't easily control that.
[23:09:28] <Wiredtape>	perhaps make a small check for image names with bad characters?
[23:09:33] <Wiredtape>	shouldn't be that hard to code..
[23:09:38] <TherWoozly>	Yeah, I'll have to put something like that in there.
[23:09:47] <TherWoozly>	If I can't figure out a way to actually fix the problem.
[23:09:55] <TherWoozly>	Beyond the scope of my currently available time, tho.
[23:10:20] <TherWoozly>	Just thought I'd see if this was a known issue... sounds like it's a won't-fix.
[23:21:51] <MinuteElectron>	wow
[23:21:59] *MinuteElectron 	loves it when a big class works the first time you test it.
[23:22:10] <Wiredtape>	:)
[23:22:15] <Wiredtape>	new api?
[23:22:49] <MinuteElectron>	No, the first part of the new configuration back-end.
[23:23:31] <Wiredtape>	hmm? are the making a new one? I heard about something like that.. where you don't need to edit localsettings anymore?
[23:23:53] <Wan-WP>	hi
[23:23:59] <Wiredtape>	hi
[23:24:13] <Wan-WP>	Does anybody know how to enable "exif information"
[23:24:14] <Wan-WP>	?
[23:24:29] <MinuteElectron>	Oh, no I meant configuration as installer (sorry getting confused because of the config/ directory name) - teh thing you are refering to is the namespace manager i believe
[23:24:34] <MinuteElectron>	or someone else pet project
[23:25:26] <Wan-WP>	So that they are displayed like in wikipedia?
[23:25:37] <Wiredtape>	exif information?
[23:25:54] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, what's new with the installer?
[23:26:57] <Wan-WP>	Wiredtape: yeah, exif information :)
[23:27:17] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: I've been working on it on and off for 7 or 8 months now, I've been trying to refactor it into a front\back end so a command line version can be created - but so far my coding methods haven't been very good and the code got confusing so I kept having to start again. This time is good though I hope.
[23:27:53] <Wiredtape>	wan-wp, you wanna give me an example ? :)
[23:28:33] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, is this so you can batch install, or just didn't like the installer?
[23:29:20] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: The former, but teh code for the installer needs heavily refactoring anyway.. It's a bit of a maintenance nightmare atm tbh.
[23:29:42] <Wiredtape>	i can see that..
[23:30:30] <MinuteElectron>	So I'm effectively killing two birds with one stone, and it would be cool to have an internationalised installer which this would enable to be created with little difficulty.
[23:30:40] <MinuteElectron>	But I should probably go to bed now, goodnight all.
[23:32:00] <Wiredtape>	g'night
[23:32:13] <Wiredtape>	good luck, and good work :)
[23:38:03] <Predator>	rar Splarka 
[23:38:42] *Splarka 	just got 3 rars in 3 separate windows that time
[23:38:46] <Skizzerz>	xD
[23:38:59] <Skizzerz>	look at what you created ;)
[23:39:19] <Splarka>	keitei started it
[23:39:35] <Wiredtape>	hey, Wan-WP wants to know how commons has exif info for images.. anyone know?
[23:39:37] <Skizzerz>	hmm, nice to know :)
[23:39:47] *Predator 	blames TOR
[23:41:07] <Splarka>	http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.exif.php
[23:41:23] <Wan-WP>	here we are:http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgShowEXIF
[23:41:27] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgShowEXIF
[23:41:30] <Splarka>	heh
[23:43:36] <Wiredtape>	anyone know why there's an <a name="top" id="top"></a> sitting atop the sitenotice in monobook?
[23:43:56] <Splarka>	it is there without the sitenotice too
[23:44:18] <Splarka>	allows linking to the top of the page, via #top URL fragment
[23:44:25] <Wiredtape>	ahh..
[23:44:36] <Wiredtape>	smart :)
[23:44:47] <Splarka>	[[#top|jump to top]]
[23:46:22] <Wan-WP>	byebye :)
[23:47:43] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30685 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge.i18n.php: 
[23:47:43] <CIA-42>	* remove period
[23:47:43] <CIA-42>	* add link to special page in descriptionmsg
[23:48:19] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30686 10/trunk/extensions/UserMerge/UserMerge.i18n.php: Link fix
[23:50:55] <sputnick_>	hi there
[23:51:48] <sputnick_>	is there any syntax to place full html page in a incorporated wiki page ?
[23:52:29] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRawHtml  ?
[23:52:35] <sputnick_>	off courses, I can put a new .htm(l) file in my root directory, but MW will not read it
[23:52:59] <Skizzerz>	!man $wgRawHtml | sputnick_ 
[23:52:59] --mwbot--	sputnick_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml
[23:53:13] <Skizzerz>	wow, I can't read >_>
[23:53:24] <sputnick_>	I'll take a look
[23:53:27] <alt-sysrq>	Hello! I'm installed mediawiki from packages in Debian, and I can't find out how to write books in wiki (as on wikibooks). I thought, that naming article as "BookName/BookPart" will create article with name "BookPart" and link to root book page, but this is don't works... May be there is some howto?
[23:53:43] <Splarka>	!subpages
[23:53:43] --mwbot--	By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespacesWithSubpages>
[23:53:59] <Skizzerz>	Splarka: faster than me yet again... ;)
[23:54:42] <Splarka>	faster is good in tech support, but bad in lovemaking
[23:54:50] <Skizzerz>	xD
[23:55:10] <Skizzerz>	permission to add that to my random quote rotator?
[23:55:25] <Splarka>	k
[23:56:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (waldir)
[23:57:32] <alt-sysrq>	Splarka: thanks!