[00:22:11] <Splarka>	hey, so
[00:22:24] <Splarka>	de.wp, da.wp, and now fr.wp have complained about their sidebars going defaulty
[00:22:50] <Splarka>	that is, instead of reading MediaWiki:Sidebar, the sidebar has suddenly started generating from MediaWiki:Sidebar/xx where xx is their content language
[00:23:05] <Splarka>	(the solution for all 3 was to copy their sidebar to /xx)
[00:23:31] <Splarka>	the only recent change I can see to the sidebar routine was:
[00:23:31] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=30129
[00:23:36] <Splarka>	could this have caused it?
[00:23:46] <Splarka>	or is it something more esoteric in the message cache handling?
[00:25:18] *Splarka 	blames domas
[00:34:17] <watertowe>	hi there
[00:34:41] <watertowe>	i've got a problem with mediawiki: if i use if conditions in templates, it seems like they don't get parsed
[00:35:15] <watertowe>	maybe it's something i've got to enable in the configuration file?
[00:35:29] <Splarka>	give an example?
[00:35:41] <astro76>	watertowe: stupid question but did you install ParserFunctions extension?
[00:35:55] <watertowe>	i don't know
[00:36:03] <astro76>	that's probably no then
[00:36:06] <Splarka>	conditions aren't *always* parser functions, they can be parameter defaults and {{qif}} type templates
[00:36:16] *Splarka 	was trying to determine which they were using first ^_^
[00:36:25] <astro76>	ah ok
[00:36:57] <watertowe>	my "extensions" folder is empty :S
[00:37:00] <Splarka>	watertowe: as astro76 was saying, for {{#if}} type conditionals you need the ParserFunctions extension
[00:37:18] <watertowe>	do i have to copy all those files to /extensions ? -> http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/
[00:37:34] <Splarka>	!parserfunctions
[00:37:34] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[00:38:09] <watertowe>	thanks
[00:39:43] <watertowe>	i copied the files
[00:39:47] <watertowe>	but now... how do i install it?
[00:40:17] <watertowe>	ok, done
[00:41:10] <watertowe>	(i included the file in LocalSettings.php)
[00:41:14] <Sasoriza>	how does one save a converstion in here? I need to go back and look at this when I have more time
[00:41:27] <watertowe>	which client are you using?
[00:41:33] <Sasoriza>	mIRC
[00:42:08] <watertowe>	hmm, sorry, i use xchat
[00:42:30] <watertowe>	anyway if you have logging enabled it should save the conversations automatically
[00:43:30] <watertowe>	it works like a charm, thank you guys
[00:43:32] <watertowe>	bye
[00:58:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow per-page exceptions to spam blacklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12963  (10N/A)
[01:36:17] <Dislo>	hey guys i am getting a php error when i try to enable pdf uploads could i get some help with this here is the error Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php on line 143
[01:50:41] <Resplendent>	Can anyone help me with trying to add a link to the top rh menu?  Next to the log in/create account, etc. stuff
[01:51:08] <Splarka>	via javascript or php?
[01:51:16] <Splarka>	(that is, what level of access do you have)
[01:51:33] <Resplendent>	I can do pretty much anything but php is probably easier for me
[01:54:43] <Splarka>	the JS is pretty easy to do, but kinda hackish
[01:55:08] <Resplendent>	Assuming I know pretty much nothing about javascript can I still do it?
[01:55:49] <Splarka>	here is an example:
[01:55:49] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() { addPortletLink('p-personal','http://www.google.com','google','pt-google','Google ogle','',document.getElementById('pt-mytalk')); 
[01:55:49] <Splarka>	});
[01:56:06] <Resplendent>	so where does it go
[01:56:12] <Splarka>	the parameters are:
[01:56:19] <Dislo>	hey guys i am getting a php error when i try to enable pdf uploads could i get some help with this here is the error Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php on line 143
[01:56:58] <Splarka>	portlet (string), link (string), link text (string), object id (string), tooltip (string), accesskey (string), and sibling node (object)
[01:57:04] <Splarka>	only the first 3 are required though
[01:57:21] <Splarka>	so a simpler example:
[01:57:22] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function() { addPortletLink('p-personal','http://www.google.com','google'); });
[01:57:32] <Dislo>	line 143 => $wgFileExtensions = array( 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'pdf' );
[01:57:34] <Resplendent>	ok so that goes where?
[01:57:42] <Splarka>	p-personal is the parent of the personal tool links, the second parameter is the link, the third is the text, simple!
[01:57:59] <Splarka>	it has to be in a document load hook as it modifies the DOM after load
[01:58:13] <Splarka>	and it would go in MediaWiki:Common.js
[01:58:47] <Resplendent>	ok I'll try it out, thanks
[01:59:00] <Splarka>	what do you want the link to be? would it be static or dynamic depending on the page/user ?
[01:59:08] <Resplendent>	it's static
[01:59:18] <Resplendent>	for every page/every user
[01:59:46] <Splarka>	right
[01:59:57] <Splarka>	if you wanna do it in php, you can probably use:  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/PersonalUrls
[02:00:20] <Splarka>	and then add an extension that hooks that, and modifies $personal_urls
[02:00:52] <Resplendent>	ok, thanks
[02:18:09] <newmember>	Where do I find the content for the Main_page?
[02:18:15] <newmember>	on the server
[02:20:30] <Random832>	newmember: edit it
[02:20:36] <Random832>	same as any other page
[02:21:02] <newmember>	In the upper left corner there is an extra "i"  that is above the logo
[02:21:35] <newmember>	Its right after the <body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Cooking">i
[02:21:43] <newmember>	Its on all the pages
[02:22:08] <newmember>	<body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Main_Page">i
[02:22:17] <newmember>	That trailing "i"
[02:28:39] <Splarka>	sounds like a typo in your skin ... oop
[02:35:13] <Random832>	will there ever be a feature to search whatlinkshere by prefix?
[02:35:29] <Random832>	is there a bug for that/
[02:39:01] <Werdna>	Random832: I'm working on searching by type (links/redirects/templates), at the moment
[02:42:44] <floam>	is there some magic query string I can append on a wikipedia page that will return the raw wiki-code?
[02:43:27] <floam>	I can get at it with &action=edit, but there is a lot more there than I'd like to trawl through
[02:48:41] <Werdna>	action=raw
[02:49:38] <floam>	oh, awesome
[02:49:39] <floam>	thank you
[03:00:09] <starshine>	mw 1.11.1. someone I know wants their searcj funtion to be "smart" - to try to use internal search, but if that fails, to use a search engine.  what's a best way to do that?
[03:00:54] <Splarka>	"fails" == no matches?
[03:01:02] <starshine>	correct
[03:01:41] <Splarka>	the way it is usually done is, if there are no matches, provode links to that search term on other engines, eg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/Foobarbaz
[03:03:14] <starshine>	does it do that automagically?
[03:03:44] <Splarka>	nope...
[03:04:02] <Splarka>	it is an interface message, hmm
[03:04:12] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Allmessages
[03:04:14] <Splarka>	somewhere in that mess
[03:04:22] <Skizzerz>	xD
[03:04:30] <Splarka>	also a bit of JS for that top dropdown menu magic
[03:05:03] <Splarka>	would that be suitable for them? or do they want it to automatically redirect the user? or include the external search results inline on the page?
[03:05:08] <starshine>	what I was thinking to suggest to him is either, create a fresh Special page to do his magical search type
[03:05:30] <starshine>	or, to use the override-the-internal type, and have his magic go in that
[03:05:58] <starshine>	he was thinking wgSearchForwardURL but I think that might not do what he had in mind
[03:06:22] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Searchnoresults&action=edit
[03:06:31] <Splarka>	well, hmm
[03:07:19] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SpecialSearchNogomatch
[03:07:55] <Splarka>	you could use this hook in an extension to possibly grab the failed result (eg, if the page didn't exist for the [go] result) and send the user to google via 302 
[03:09:17] <Splarka>	alternatively, you could put in some JS voodoo inside MediaWiki:Searchnoresults to auto-forward the user to google, via document.location.href
[03:09:30] <Splarka>	that'd be pretty easy
[03:10:33] <starshine>	that Nogomatch said it only hooks if the item exists
[03:10:42] <starshine>	this would be for it not existing :)
[03:10:52] <starshine>	ah yeah that might do
[03:10:56] <Splarka>	erm
[03:11:13] <Splarka>	-> 1.6.0 	SpecialSearchNogomatch 	SpecialSearch.php 	called when user clicked the "Go" button but the target doesn't exist
[03:11:18] <Splarka>	says the opposite on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks
[03:11:22] <starshine>	(well it's what the page said)
[03:11:23] <Splarka>	and the title itself "no go match"
[03:11:56] <starshine>	 This hook only runs if the page being searched for exists.
[03:12:04] <starshine>	said the link you gave me :)
[03:12:06] *Splarka 	checks the darn code
[03:12:13] <starshine>	yeah the source rules
[03:12:18] <starshine>	<3 oss :)
[03:12:27] <Splarka>			# No match, generate an edit URL
[03:12:27] <Splarka>			$t = Title::newFromText( $term );
[03:12:27] <Splarka>			if( ! is_null( $t ) ) {
[03:12:27] <Splarka>				wfRunHooks( 'SpecialSearchNogomatch', array( &$t ) );
[03:12:51] <starshine>	if it isnt a null title, do stuff.
[03:12:53] <starshine>	ok
[03:13:08] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialSearch.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[03:13:10] <Splarka>	anywho
[03:13:15] <Splarka>	the JS solution would be something like
[03:13:17] <starshine>	I like you JS idea
[03:13:31] <Splarka>	<div id="noresults">$3</div>  in MediaWiki:Searchnoresults
[03:13:32] <Splarka>	and then
[03:14:10] <Splarka>	if(wgPageName == "Special:Search") addOnloadHook(googleOnSearchFail)
[03:15:12] <starshine>	tasty.  he'd add that div to the top of his favored skin?
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	function googleOnSearchFail() {
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	  if(document.getElementById('noresults') {
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	    document.location.href = 'http://google.com/search?q=' + encodeURIComponent(document.getElementById('noresults').innerHTML)
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	  }
[03:15:17] <Splarka>	}
[03:15:34] <Splarka>	he'd add the div to the message that is generated if no search results are returned
[03:15:47] <Splarka>	and then a bit of JS like above would detect if that div existed, and if so, send the user there
[03:16:00] <starshine>	ah. yeah that would make sense.  and then it would work for mixed langs too I'd think
[03:16:12] <starshine>	cool beans
[03:16:27] <starshine>	I'll lurk in away mode in case anything else crops up; I have to dash.
[03:16:32] <Splarka>	other things like disabling it via cookie or adding a site:yoursite.com would be helpful too
[03:16:38] <Splarka>	ciao
[03:26:26] <Random832>	it'd be nice if some basic prefs could be set by cookie
[03:26:38] <Random832>	like date format
[03:28:03] <Splarka>	well, a recent refactoring of the squids has opened that possibility up
[03:28:26] <Splarka>	it is now possible to cache pages for anonymous viewers, and give them cookies
[03:28:37] <Splarka>	so bugzilla it
[03:29:02] <Random832>	hmm
[03:29:14] <Random832>	if i had to make a list of "prefs that should be available to anons", date format would not actually top it
[03:29:18] <Random832>	user language, that's a big one
[03:29:31] <Splarka>	the first one on wikia was 'enhanced recent changes'
[03:30:05] <Random832>	time zone might be nice
[03:30:33] <Splarka>	hmm, one problem though, is that if the squid ignores cookies, so prefs would be mostly useless except on uncached pages, heh
[03:30:49] *Splarka 	lets someone else worry about it
[03:31:00] <Random832>	right, and then the page rendered to that user's preferences would be cached
[03:31:16] <Random832>	maybe consider "anons with prefs set" to be sort of like logged-in users?
[03:32:43] <Splarka>	oh, domas would love that, heh
[03:32:57] <Splarka>	and watch the HIT rate go down the tubes
[03:43:00] <Random832>	ok, maybe disable it for the big wm wikis
[03:43:36] <Random832>	but it'd be nice to be able to get the interface in english for some obscure language i've got no reason other than prefs to get an account for
[03:44:09] <Random832>	maybe it'd be enough to have e.g. &uselang= (which doesn't cache anyway) "stick" through subsequent clicks on internal links
[03:44:33] <Random832>	without any cookie - just put it on all the generated urls if it was in the request
[03:45:32] <Random832>	well, it caches, but it's a distinct url from the one without it
[03:48:08] *Splarka 	did make a cascading uselang/useskin js before...
[03:48:53] <Splarka>	http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Splarka/cascadeskinlang.js
[03:57:19] <Random832>	Splarka: but doing it without being logged in would be nice
[03:57:31] <Random832>	(wouldn't the useskin one have to be in all your skin js files?)
[03:57:48] <Splarka>	well
[03:57:58] <Splarka>	it could be done with a js cookie for anonies, shouldn
[03:58:02] <Splarka>	't afflict caching
[03:58:11] <Splarka>	(total tangent now)
[04:01:22] <Random832>	did you know gatorade tastes flat if you shake it too much?
[04:01:45] <Random832>	i wonder what the mechanism for that is - whether it's just the air, or if there's some complex taste molecule that gets beaten up
[04:02:52] <Splarka>	nitrogenation?
[04:07:54] <Random832>	eh
[04:08:20] <Random832>	gaseous nitrogen doesn't react easily - plants have whole _systems_ dedicated to getting ahold of it
[04:08:55] <Random832>	could be that it's causing oxidation of something
[04:09:25] <Random832>	at an accelerated rate from what it would be if i were just letting it sit
[04:10:56] <Splarka>	doesn't have to react to alter the flavor
[04:11:19] <Splarka>	the simple act of dissolving a gas into a liquid significantly alters it, as you can tell from carbonation
[04:12:08] <Random832>	right, but it doesn't stay dissolved, it all floats out since there's no pressure
[04:12:42] <Splarka>	how long do you wait after shaking it to taste it?
[04:12:55] <Random832>	quite a while, still tastes off
[04:13:05] <Splarka>	and have you ever seen a nitrogenated beer? it takes a while to fizz out
[04:13:27] <Random832>	this was after about an hour of vigorous shaking (because i was not thirsty and generally fidgeting)
[04:13:51] <Splarka>	(and the bubbles actually appear to go *down* the side of the glass, but that is just because the beer is usually opaque and the liquid forms a circular current, rising in the middle and falling at the edges)
[04:14:02] <Splarka>	heh
[04:14:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945  (10edwardzyang)
[04:14:46] *Splarka 	meant that a JS cookie pref system was a tangent
[04:15:04] <Splarka>	although I've made carbonated milk for fun, a truely unique beverage
[04:24:14] <Random832>	doesn't the milk curdle from the carbonic acid? or is carbonic acid not always formed in carbonated stuff?
[04:25:40] <Splarka>	well, I never let it get more than 5 minutes old before drinking it or dumping it out
[04:38:55] <[1]NickC>	I need to install a captcha into my registration on mediawiki
[04:39:22] <[1]NickC>	can someone help m
[04:39:40] <Werdna>	[1]NickC: have you tried the FAQ?
[04:41:03] <[1]NickC>	on mediawiki?
[04:42:13] <[1]NickC>	actually i found what i needed
[04:44:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) WebResponse->setcookie() should handle prefixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12976 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (edwardzyang)
[04:50:31] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30730 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php): 
[04:50:31] <CIA-42>	* Show simple UI in edit mode
[04:50:31] <CIA-42>	* Use time=-1
[04:50:31] <CIA-42>	* Bump
[04:57:22] *Werdna 	bumps AaronSchulz 
[04:57:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSRF for anonymous page edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12945  +comment (10edwardzyang)
[04:58:17] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: sorry, but I don't swing that way
[04:58:36] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: what's the bump for?
[04:59:25] <AaronSchulz>	small version increase
[05:50:16] <Monobi>	Anyone with any knowledge of C ? 
[05:52:32] *Warpath 	knows A and B but no C :(
[05:52:46] <AaronSchulz>	Monobi: you mean the third letter of the alphabet?
[05:52:52] *AaronSchulz 	giggles
[05:52:53] <Monobi>	No, I mean the language.
[05:55:25] <Warpath>	Monobi, there is alwayz Wikipeida to learn from ;p
[05:55:29] <Monobi>	er
[05:55:33] <Monobi>	bye
[05:56:15] <uberfuzzy>	is there a page documenting all the standard MediaWiki messages?
[05:56:37] <Warpath>	[[Specail:Allmessages]] :P
[05:56:49] <uberfuzzy>	no, what they are used for
[05:56:51] <Warpath>	[[Special:Allmessages]] * :|
[05:57:15] <Warpath>	[[Special:Nope]] :P
[05:57:22] <Warpath>	try the manuals :)
[05:57:23] <uberfuzzy>	bah
[05:58:18] <Splarka>	(incomplete) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:System_message   
[05:58:19] <uberfuzzy>	oh god, i wouldnt even know where to start looking for that
[05:58:25] <uberfuzzy>	oh, that works
[05:58:27] <Warpath>	^_^
[05:58:39] <Warpath>	i was lloking for it Splarka  :p
[05:58:45] <Splarka>	sure you were
[05:58:52] <Warpath>	looking** damn i can't type anymoar O_o
[05:58:57] <Splarka>	while typing [[Special:Nope]]
[05:59:05] <Splarka>	[[Special:Fail]]
[05:59:18] <Splarka>	uber: if you need to find where one is being used, try grepping the code for it
[05:59:35] <Splarka>	eg: http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=package%3Asvn.wikimedia.org%2Fsvnroot%2Fmediawiki%2Ftrunk+viewprevnext
[06:00:16] <uberfuzzy>	i'm not even sure which of these are mediawiki core and which are things from wikia anymore
[06:01:19] <uberfuzzy>	bad_image_list ?
[06:01:23] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30731 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): Show section edit links when current ID = stable ID
[06:23:34] <Splarka>	uber: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain  is helpful for that
[06:27:11] <uberfuzzy>	hmm, i also didnt know you could put comments inside an array like that
[06:28:07] <uberfuzzy>	then again, i never had a hard coded array large enough to document
[06:29:39] <blueandwhiteg3>	I just installed the latest mediawiki. I want to cut out a bunch of stuff from the wiki to simplify it. What is the best way to do this?
[06:30:08] <VasilVV|Birthday>	better not to do it
[06:31:38] <blueandwhiteg3>	I just want to nuke stuff like disclaimers, donations, etc....
[06:32:16] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Ah...
[06:32:25] <VasilVV|Birthday>	!sidebar | blueandwhiteg3
[06:32:25] --mwbot--	blueandwhiteg3: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[06:36:24] <blueandwhiteg3>	Yes, but what about stuff like "Disclaimers - About <wikiname>"?
[06:36:43] <VasilVV|Birthday>	try CSS
[06:37:11] <Splarka>	see Special:Allmessages too for fun things you can blank
[06:43:38] <blueandwhiteg3>	Is there a way to change it so that a newline in the text edit box is handled as if i'd added a <br>?
[06:44:20] <uberfuzzy>	2 blank lines is a <br> i thought
[06:44:38] <Splarka>	two blank lines is a new paragraph, a </p> and a <p>
[06:45:00] <Splarka>	one blank line is handled the same in wikicode as it is in html: as a single breakable whitespace
[06:45:19] <blueandwhiteg3>	I would like a single new line to add a <br> so that the text edit field is mapped more WYSIWYG
[06:45:21] <Splarka>	you can wrap it in <pre> but then you get no code rendering
[06:46:18] <blueandwhiteg3>	i can't do an auto-wrap with <pre> however
[06:47:21] <Splarka>	you could use an indentation mayhap
[06:47:24] <Splarka>	:this is a line
[06:47:43] <Splarka>	:this is another unassociated line even though there is but one linebreak between it
[06:50:08] <Splarka>	that sets up a <dl><dd> hierarchy
[06:50:41] <blueandwhiteg3>	i'm aiming for WYSIWYG for low level users
[06:52:15] <blueandwhiteg3>	i could inject an nl2br function on the input.. but somehow, i don't feel like patching mediawiki
[06:55:58] <t0lk>	I noticed that inter-wiki links are slightly lighter blue then regular links, is there a way to make them the same color?
[06:56:30] <Splarka>	they are defined in monobook/main.css
[06:57:28] <Splarka>	try this css:
[06:57:29] <Splarka>	#bodyContent a.extiw, #bodyContent a.extiw:active, #bodyContent a.external { color: #002bb8; }
[06:57:50] <Splarka>	in your MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[07:01:49] <blueandwhiteg3>	How do I adjust mediawiki to require a login for changes to ALL pages?
[07:02:43] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[07:03:07] <Splarka>	blue: I think to do your newline trick you'd have to hack the parser
[07:05:35] <blueandwhiteg3>	Splarka: Yes, I could do that, I was just hoping not to...
[07:06:19] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:06:38] <Splarka>	unless you transformed the text after save and before parse
[07:07:07] <Miksag1>	heyas
[07:07:14] <Splarka>	to run through and insert a <br /> before every \n, if the \n wasn't followed by : * #, whitespace, or etc
[07:07:26] <miksago>	can someone help me with some editing on a mediawiki
[07:07:38] <miksago>	I'm trying to escape a ' character
[07:08:03] <Splarka>	tried <nowiki> ?
[07:08:29] <miksago>	it's an ' in the middle of a word.. so using <nowiki> might confuse other editors
[07:08:59] <Splarka>	why do you need it escaped? are there two or more of them?
[07:09:50] <miksago>	one sec
[07:09:55] <miksago>	http://botdom.com/documentation/DAmn/Server_Packets#property
[07:09:59] <miksago>	see the dot points?
[07:11:07] <Splarka>	blueandwhiteg3: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks  ParserBeforeStrip or one of the latter ones might work for you...
[07:11:14] <starshine>	miksago: if I type ''ain't
[07:11:36] <starshine>	''ain't'' <- it comes out italic like it's supposed to
[07:11:46] <miksago>	okay
[07:12:03] <miksago>	but
[07:12:05] <starshine>	single quote's not the problem in the mid of a word.
[07:12:11] <miksago>	'''ain''t
[07:12:17] <miksago>	kk
[07:12:21] <starshine>	would leave a bold wide open
[07:12:22] <Splarka>	heh
[07:12:54] <starshine>	where you get screwball things is if you wanted to italiize a loose apostrophe.
[07:13:14] <Splarka>	<i>'</i>
[07:13:15] <t0lk2>	thank you very much Splarka!
[07:13:20] <t0lk2>	i went afk for a bit
[07:13:20] <Splarka>	noprob
[08:07:05] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: can you sync flaggedrevs on test.wp ?
[08:09:40] <marchelly>	Утро доброе
[08:17:53] <VasilVV|Birthday>	marchelly: ну доброе...
[08:20:29] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30732 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): (qa) tab tweaks
[08:24:22] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30733 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Fix log link
[08:24:28] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30734 10/trunk/phase3/skins/ (common/shared.css monobook/rtl.css): Moving the RTL fixes to monobook. Adding documentation. Minimizing the effect on non-Gecko browsers.
[08:26:01] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: don't forget to bump $wgStyleVersion!
[08:26:12] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: happy bd!
[08:26:20] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Thanks ;)
[08:26:23] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: I've got a problem here
[08:26:28] *VasilVV|Birthday 	had it yesterday...
[08:26:29] <Hojjat>	I see a "G" in the beginning of the page
[08:26:38] <Hojjat>	do you have it too?
[08:26:38] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Ah...
[08:26:43] <VasilVV|Birthday>	No ideas
[08:27:04] <VasilVV|Birthday>	I've installed Vista reccently and haven't installed TortoiseSVN yet
[08:28:06] <VasilVV|Birthday>	And i have internet connection with speed about 2.5 Kb/sec...
[08:28:57] <Hojjat>	that's normal here! (the speed)
[08:29:57] <VasilVV|Birthday>	So downloading TortoiseSVn takes me 2 hours
[08:31:42] <CIA-42>	03huji * r30735 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Bumping style version number.
[08:31:51] <Hojjat>	okay, I'll be back in a few minutes, and I'll show you the "g" thing
[08:46:11] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: you there?
[08:46:20] <VasilVV|Birthday>	sure
[08:46:41] <Hojjat>	okay, gotta send a link to an image now
[08:48:13] <Hojjat>	http://i30.tinypic.com/242cq54.jpg
[08:48:26] <Hojjat>	Notice the "g" on the top left corner
[08:48:40] <Hojjat>	also notice that Firebugs has reported an error about an excessive "g" in JS code
[08:49:49] <Hojjat>	Got that?
[08:49:55] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Wrong link?
[08:50:09] <Hojjat>	http://i30.tinypic.com/28jy5qe.png
[08:50:19] <Hojjat>	sorry!
[08:50:28] <Splarka>	huh
[08:50:35] <Splarka>	someone was complaining about an 'i' there earilier
[08:50:40] <Hojjat>	indeed, there was a "g" in that one too!
[08:50:49] <Hojjat>	Splarka: really? When exactly?
[08:50:51] <Splarka>	<newmember> Its right after the <body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Cooking">i
[08:50:51] <Splarka>	<newmember> Its on all the pages
[08:50:51] <Splarka>	<newmember> <body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Main_Page">i
[08:50:51] <Splarka>	<newmember> That trailing "i"
[08:51:02] <Splarka>	umm, like a billion hours ago
[08:51:20] <Hojjat>	today? yesterday? this week?
[08:51:49] <Splarka>	today
[08:52:03] <Hojjat>	oh.. well I didn't notice that either yesterday
[08:52:09] <Hojjat>	I assume one of the recent changes has caused it
[08:52:11] <VasilVV|Birthday>	brion: hello
[08:52:28] <brion>	oy
[08:52:28] <Hojjat>	I had a quick look ath Skin.php's changes, but didn't notice anything
[08:52:35] *Hojjat 	waves to brion
[08:52:36] <Splarka>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080209.txt
[08:52:46] <Splarka>	oop
[08:52:58] <Splarka>	at about [02:21:43] there
[08:53:21] <Hojjat>	hmm
[08:53:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10arthit)
[08:53:48] <t0lk>	some ip in russia logged 69,000 hits on my site last month, should I block it?
[08:56:16] <Splarka>	Hojjat: any luck tracking it down yet? heh
[08:56:27] <Hojjat>	Splarka: not yet :(
[08:56:53] <Hojjat>	it has to have something with skins, hopefully
[08:57:08] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Check it with another skin
[08:57:11] <Hojjat>	Firefox pushes the "g" thing to behind <DOCTYPE
[08:57:20] <Splarka>	the body tag is generated in Skin or Skintemplate right?
[08:57:41] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: persists
[08:58:00] <Hojjat>	Splarka: yeah, and I've checked them both (but a bit raipdly)
[08:58:10] <Hojjat>	I specially chcked their recent changes
[08:58:25] <Hojjat>	Splarka: if you're testing things, don't forget to action=purge
[08:58:29] <Splarka>	maybe try a/b revision testing
[08:58:37] *Splarka 	is not testing anything, except your patience
[08:58:46] <Hojjat>	LOL
[09:00:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10arthit)
[09:00:07] <Hojjat>	Multiple browsers all show the "g" right before the DOCTYPE thing
[09:01:15] <Splarka>	so some literal character in one of a hundred php files, heh
[09:01:28] <Hojjat>	I'm trying to avoid that!
[09:02:12] *zocky 	spent 6 hours the other day trying to find out where he forgot a print_r
[09:02:23] <t0lk>	is it recommended to enable fastcgi?
[09:04:26] <Splarka>	hmm, Hojjat: can you downgrade by about a hundred revisions, and then incrementally upgrade the inclusions in batches until the problem appears?
[09:04:58] <Hojjat>	Splarka: that is what I want to do
[09:05:02] <Hojjat>	but my internet speed doesn't allow taht
[09:05:12] <Hojjat>	so I'm trying to ask for permission of doing this over Toolserve
[09:05:14] <Hojjat>	r
[09:05:23] <Splarka>	ahh
[09:06:01] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: try SVN blame
[09:06:04] <Splarka>	wikimedia is on 30649 ...
[09:06:20] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: blame would help if I knew "which" file to chek
[09:06:27] <Hojjat>	I don't know it yet :(
[09:06:52] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: header() usually outputs warning when it's used after somebody echoed something
[09:07:17] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: i don't get header warnings
[09:07:26] <Hojjat>	the "g" thing is sent "right" before the doctype
[09:08:17] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: so insert it to OutputPage::output
[09:08:31] <Hojjat>	insert "what"?
[09:08:40] <Hojjat>	oh, you mean a header?
[09:08:50] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Insert it ''right'' before "echo '<DOCTYPE"
[09:09:18] <VasilVV|Birthday>	header( 'Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8' ); for expample
[09:09:26] <VasilVV|Birthday>	*example
[09:09:40] <VasilVV|Birthday>	yes
[09:10:42] <Hojjat>	<!DOCTYPE exists in 15 files, excluding extensions!
[09:10:50] <Splarka>	sweet
[09:10:57] <Splarka>	do you have any extensions?
[09:11:39] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: i said OutputPage
[09:11:42] <Hojjat>	Splarka: good point! Disabling all of them for a sec!
[09:11:43] <VasilVV|Birthday>	!class OutputPage
[09:11:43] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classOutputPage.html
[09:11:57] <CIA-42>	03tstarling * r30736 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php Skin.php): Configurable expiry time for the sidebar cache
[09:12:40] <Hojjat>	Splarka: disabling extensions didn't help :(
[09:12:48] <Hojjat>	it is something in MediaWiki code :(
[09:13:01] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: now your idea..
[09:13:07] <Splarka>	Hojjat: try an older version of OutputPage.php ?
[09:13:14] <Splarka>	pre-30692 maybe
[09:16:40] <Hojjat>	Splarka: didn't help
[09:17:06] <Splarka>	your patience is quite stable though
[09:17:08] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: Outputpage doesn't echo or wgout anything. I'm not sure if adding a header would help.. trying anywaya
[09:17:15] <Hojjat>	Splarka: lol
[09:17:24] *Splarka 	ponders
[09:18:18] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: of course, OutputPage doesn't wgOut anthing because $wgOut is OutputPage! :)
[09:18:35] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Look for "print" calls
[09:18:37] <Hojjat>	:pp
[09:18:59] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: added header, no warning :( (I have errors on, don't worry)
[09:20:18] <VasilVV|Birthday>	hm
[09:22:21] <Hojjat>	I added a header "after" the print in   public function out( $ins )   but nothing happened?!
[09:22:24] <Hojjat>	caching?
[09:22:31] <Hojjat>	(I'm puring over and over..)
[09:24:10] <Hojjat>	checking out 30368!
[09:24:16] <Hojjat>	(that's the only way left)
[09:25:22] <Hojjat>	Man this is huge! How many files do I have to download?!
[09:26:37] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: svn update?
[09:26:59] <_wooz>	lo
[09:27:02] <Hojjat>	yeah, but to an old version, with the hope that I can tackle where the bug was introduced
[09:27:36] *VasilVV|Birthday 	updates http://213.181.10.211/test/Main_Page
[09:27:53] <Hojjat>	(oh, and I didn't mean to "checkout" there, really. I'm updating not checking out, yet there is a lot to download! Remember, I'm on 2KB/s)
[09:28:29] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: so am I :)
[09:28:55] <Hojjat>	I think we should have a video conference then!
[09:28:57] <VasilVV|Birthday>	And also, i have like this: 45 seconds with connection, 15 without, 45 seconds with...
[09:30:17] <Hojjat>	do you know what the shame is?
[09:30:34] <Hojjat>	I updated my whole Phase3, and it means I'm going to update all extensions as stuff too!
[09:31:38] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Note, that some commit notification mails sometimes hangs my email client
[09:31:55] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: have you played Neverhood?
[09:32:36] <VasilVV|Birthday>	no
[09:32:36] <VasilVV|Birthday>	http://213.181.10.211/test/Special:Recentchanges
[09:32:36] <VasilVV|Birthday>	no bugs
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[09:33:30] <VasilVV|Birthday>	:)
[09:34:04] <Hojjat>	shooooooooooooooooooot!
[09:34:07] <Hojjat>	guess what!
[09:34:30] <VasilVV|Birthday>	no ideas :)
[09:34:40] <Hojjat>	My Names.php was not reverted! I changed it yesterday, then reverted that (I thought) :(
[09:35:27] <Hojjat>	Splarka: the dillema of Mr Patient!
[09:35:40] <Splarka>	didja find the g?
[09:35:49] <Hojjat>	yeah, in Names.php
[09:36:00] <Hojjat>	I had to do a svn status on root!
[09:36:13] <VasilVV|Birthday>	lol :)
[09:36:17] <Splarka>	heh
[09:36:17] <Hojjat>	I don't know why, but I thought that should be something inside /includes and I only svn status'ed that!
[09:36:32] <Hojjat>	And now: Updating back to HEAD!!!!
[09:36:36] <Hojjat>	f*** me!
[09:37:03] <Splarka>	f*** = feed?
[09:37:26] <Hojjat|dinner>	Splarka: are you kidding?!
[09:37:31] <Hojjat|dinner>	I mean the F word!
[09:37:53] <Hojjat|dinner>	now lemme eat with "patience" ;)
[09:40:13] *Splarka 	just thought, cuz you said that and then went to eat... heh
[09:40:27] <clamiax>	aoeu
[09:40:44] <clamiax>	good morning boyz
[09:41:11] <clamiax>	Today i would like to do a bit of tricky (not so hard) work on my wiki
[09:41:32] <clamiax>	i have a list of news into the main page which shown only the last N objects
[09:41:55] <clamiax>	the complete list is stored into another page.
[09:42:33] <clamiax>	Now, i would like to automagically copy N news to the home page by taking them from the complete list (in order to write the news only once)
[09:43:02] <clamiax>	I thought to write a template (though i doesn't have idea of where to start - probably by RTFM :D)
[09:43:11] <clamiax>	but i wondering if there is a "better" way to do the work.
[09:43:19] <clamiax>	Does anyone can point me to the right way?
[09:43:28] <clamiax>	Sorry for my english, btw.
[09:54:38] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday: when touching skin CSS's which don't use wgStyleVersion when getting called, is there a need to bump that number?
[09:55:12] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Which CSS?
[09:55:29] <Hojjat>	for example, Modern or Chick
[09:55:34] <Hojjat>	not monobook, in particular
[09:56:07] <VasilVV|Birthday>	You should bump it whenever you changes some CSS
[09:56:51] <Hojjat>	but what is the point in bumping it, when it will have no effect?
[09:57:06] <Hojjat>	or am I totally wrong.?
[09:57:13] <Hojjat>	...forget about it!
[09:58:04] <MinuteElectron>	Maybe you could integrate that feature into the other skins then bump it up, perhaps when it was introduced noone cared about them skins caching problems particularly much.
[09:58:10] <VasilVV|Birthday>	Hojjat: you don't use, someone else uses it...
[09:58:44] <Hojjat>	VasilVV|Birthday, MinuteElectron: Ignore my last. It was blatant nonesense
[09:58:45] <Hojjat>	:D
[10:01:48] <CIA-42>	03tstarling * r30737 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Article.php MessageCache.php): Reset the message cache on action=purge of a MediaWiki namespace page. Delete the sidebar cache *after* the message cache is updated, not before. If you delete it before then the same version might get cached again.
[10:02:32] <Splarka>	mmmm
[10:09:06] <domas>	wooo
[10:09:08] <domas>	nice
[10:25:37] <earthnative>	hmmm, question that isn't in the faq. I'm running a mediawiki, and want a same-as-wikipedia License menu on the 'upload file' page. Is that an extension, or something more esoteric?
[10:41:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect page with additional normal wikilinks shows up as redirect on every linked page 's "what links here?" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12971  +comment (10huji.huji)
[10:43:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add page break rules to the "print" style-sheet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12972  +comment (10huji.huji)
[10:43:51] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30738 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: Override any bold
[10:44:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) WebResponse->setcookie() should handle prefixes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12976  (10huji.huji)
[10:55:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Protectedtitles should be sortable by protection level like Special: Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12961  +comment (10huji.huji)
[10:56:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Protectedtitles should be sortable by protection level like Special: Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12961  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[11:18:36] <scs1ng>	I want to allow the upload of any file.  If I try to upload, say, an Excel spreadsheet, I get: he file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. However, my LocalSettings.php file contains the lines: # allow any file to be uploaded
[11:18:36] <scs1ng>	$wgEnableUploads       = true;
[11:18:36] <scs1ng>	$wgStrictFileExtensions = false;
[11:18:36] <scs1ng>	$wgAllowExternalImages = true;
[11:18:37] <scs1ng>	$wgCheckFileExtensions = false;  What else should I be doing to allow the upload?  I'm using mediawiki 1.9.3 on a Sun with PHP 5.2.4
[11:24:29] <donri>	Hi, how are revisions stored, are all different revisions stored in full? wouldn't that use up alot of resources?
[11:26:11] <Dantman|FS>	!wg FileExtensions | scs1ng
[11:26:11] --mwbot--	scs1ng: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[11:27:15] <Grondin>	donri, in svn repository
[11:27:35] <Dantman|FS>	donri: Yes the full text of each revision is stored... It does add a fair bit of DB space for each revision, however trying to add together a few thousand diffs just to view one revision in the history would eat up even more CPU power
[11:31:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support collation by a certain locale ( sorting order of characters) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164  (10mormegil)
[11:32:17] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30739 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Make message clearer
[11:37:42] <scs1ng>	DantmanIFS: thanks, but as far as I can see, i have followed the sugegstions in the manual; for example, $wgFStrictFileExtensions is false and $wgCheckFileExtensions is false (see my original post for the list of $wg variables I have set).
[11:37:57] <Dantman|FS>	Oh
[11:41:34] <Bryan>	hello
[11:41:56] <Bryan>	I'm wondering whether the backwards compatible initialization of a shared repo in Setup.php is correct
[11:42:05] <Bryan>	it is now
[11:42:07] <Bryan>	$wgForeignFileRepos[] = array(
[11:42:16] <Bryan>	should that not be $wgForeignFileRepos['shared'] = array( ?
[11:42:44] <Bryan>	because this way RepoGroup::singleton()->getRepo('shared') does not work
[11:45:49] <scs1ng>	DantmanIFS: the solution is:  set $wgVerifyMimeType = false; (SunOS does not provide a useful MIME type checker)
[11:46:09] <CIA-42>	03rotem * r30740 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): 
[11:46:09] <CIA-42>	Fixing message cache updates for MediaWiki messages moves: article ID is now
[11:46:09] <CIA-42>	properly set in the Title objects while moving. Removing the direct use of
[11:46:09] <CIA-42>	LinkCache in favor of the Title::resetArticleID function. Also updating the
[11:46:09] <CIA-42>	cache of the old article.
[11:51:51] <Bryan>	TimStarling: here?
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[12:05:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add page break rules to the "print" style-sheet - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12972  (10ori)
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[12:07:01] <OverlordQ>	shouldn't that asterisk go on the other end :P
[12:07:13] <hashar>	oops :p
[12:18:56] <donri>	Dantman|FS: is it compressed in any way then?
[12:20:30] <Dantman|FS>	Not in any special way... I dunno if the database itself does compression, it is possible to run a maintenance script to compress old ones... However I expect that largely compression would add yet another step which would create unecessary load for the CPU
[12:20:43] <Ryanc77n7lx6d4>	hands about ultimate completely describing was audio, virtual widescreen of virtual into the about is part into
[12:20:46] <Dantman|FS>	HD space is far cheaper than CPU speed and RAM
[12:20:49] <Ryanc77n7lx6d4>	culture, have style. and don't our display is we for to our entertainment going VR for a
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[12:21:02] <Dantman|FS>	Anyone with kick?
[12:21:02] <MinuteElectron>	hashar: 
[12:21:17] <MinuteElectron>	meh
[12:21:19] <hashar>	too late :)
[12:21:51] <Dantman|FS>	Damn proxy trolls...
[12:22:03] <Dantman|FS>	Probably the same person that came into Lisp
[12:22:16] <Dantman|FS>	#lisp*
[12:22:46] <donri>	Dantman|FS: good point
[12:22:47] <donri>	thanks
[12:23:13] <hashar>	the good point is that it get K-lined, so some freenode op is working on the issue :)
[12:25:02] <MinuteElectron>	Yeah, they're all over the network.
[12:32:45] <CIA-42>	03btongminh * r30741 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/LinksUpdate.php): New hooks: LinksUpdate, LinksUpdateComplete. Add function getTitle to LinksUpdate.
[12:34:30] <Reedy_Boy>	"bgcolor_label" - should that just work without anything extra?
[12:35:35] <Reedy_Boy>	as after installing parser functions, its now showing "bgcolor=#efefef" on the page
[12:40:14] <CIA-42>	03rotem * r30742 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialMovepage.php Title.php): Basic compatibility between tables: When deleting the old redirect (when moving over redirect), deleting its links records and revisions.
[12:40:32] <CIA-42>	03rotem * r30743 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialMovepage.php: Fix.
[12:41:39] <clamiax>	hi
[12:42:19] <clamiax>	hey guys, does the conditional operators (e.g. #ifeq) are released as extension or they are part of the MediaWiki core?
[12:42:41] <Reedy_Boy>	clamiax, you need parserfunctions, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions
[12:42:49] <clamiax>	ah
[12:43:09] <clamiax>	i was reading about control structures: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Control_Structure_Functions/ControlStructureFunctions.php
[12:43:20] <clamiax>	doesn't it have nothing to do with it?
[13:32:49] <CIA-42>	03mkroetzsch * r30744 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_DV_Types.php: Fixed display for has type:: with empty captions
[13:40:28] <CIA-42>	03btongminh * r30745 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/RepoGroup.php: Add RepoGroup::getRepoByName, which gets a repo by its name as opposed to its index.
[13:47:03] <CIA-42>	03btongminh * r30746 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/: Allocating directory for GlobalUsage extension.
[13:48:09] <clamiax>	done
[13:48:12] <clamiax>	THX
[14:43:35] <jelle>	why am I getting a "Class 'DOMDocument' not found" error when trying to use the imagemap extension?
[14:44:05] <CIA-42>	03btongminh * r30747 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/ (4 files): Adding extension GlobalUsage to version control.
[14:58:35] <Duesentrieb>	jelle: maybe you are missing php's xml dom module?
[15:00:27] <jelle>	sounds plausible
[15:13:04] <Agility>	anyone can help me with some thumbnail image problems?
[15:13:18] <Agility>	happened after upgrade from 1.10.1 -> 1.11.1
[15:13:35] <Agility>	half of the images are dead
[15:40:02] <CIA-42>	03vasilievvv * r30748 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/ (SiteMatrix.i18n.php SiteMatrix.php SiteMatrix_body.php): 
[15:40:02] <CIA-42>	* (bug 12940) Number of wikis in Special:SiteMatrix
[15:40:02] <CIA-42>	* Refactor API output a bit
[15:40:02] <CIA-42>	* Make langlist file configurable
[15:49:30] <CIA-42>	03rotem * r30749 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix.i18n.php: Update for he.
[15:53:31] <Agility>	anyone can help me with some thumbnail image problem?
[15:54:45] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: maybe, if you can be more specific...
[15:54:56] <Agility>	lol ok
[15:55:02] <Agility>	I still got the same prob as yesterday
[15:55:07] <Agility>	tho I got some more info
[15:55:20] <Agility>	it all happened after the update from 1.10.1 -> 1.11.1
[15:55:27] <Agility>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/index.php/Tilles_the_Sellout
[15:55:45] <Agility>	that is a nice example of what happends when a picture has to be viewed smaller then it actually is
[15:56:12] <Agility>	The map where the thumbnails go into, /images/thumb/
[15:56:19] <Agility>	has chmod 777
[15:56:32] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: is safe_mode on?
[15:56:33] <Agility>	and I enabled in smartftp that all sub-folders have to be too
[15:56:43] <Agility>	that.. can be checked in.. php.ini?
[15:56:49] <Duesentrieb>	yes, or using phpinfo
[15:56:56] <Agility>	one more thing:
[15:57:22] <Agility>	The thumbnails that it stores normally appear to be not pictures anymore, but folders called blahblah.jpg
[15:57:23] <Duesentrieb>	if safemode is on, the php user (whoever that is) must be the *owner* of the directory, no matter what permissions it has.
[15:57:24] <Agility>	but they appear as folders
[15:57:31] <Agility>	and the folders itself are empty
[15:57:41] <Duesentrieb>	yes, it's normal that it creates a folder for the thumbnails of each image
[15:57:52] <Agility>	folders itself are empty?
[15:58:00] <Duesentrieb>	the problem is probably that the folders it automatically creates do not get the correct permissions#
[15:58:03] <Duesentrieb>	because of safemode.
[15:58:16] <Agility>	I tried to change the name of original thumb and made myself a thumb, so that I am the owned instead of the server
[15:58:18] <Duesentrieb>	so, because they don't have the right permissions, it can't write into them
[15:58:24] <Agility>	which then automaticly creates it, but that doesnt changes a thing
[15:59:05] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: "the server" implies php runs with apache's use (www-data or something). which must indeed by the owner, if it is supposed to do anything with the folders.
[15:59:27] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: look at the folders that are automatically created in the thumbs directory. what permissions do they have? and who owns them?
[15:59:35] <Duesentrieb>	and DO check for safe_mode.
[16:00:12] <Duesentrieb>	ah, and even if that is all correct - safemode may prevent the actual thumbnailing ot happen, because it prevents imagemagick from running - though you would have that probalem with 1.10 too
[16:00:31] <Agility>	I didnt had it in 1.10.1
[16:00:41] <Agility>	ehhmm.. now from wiki-knowledge to general-knowledge
[16:00:53] <Agility>	I dont have the server myself but got it hosted by a company
[16:00:55] <Duesentrieb>	yes. so the probel is probably the permissions or ownership on the automatically created folders in the thumb folder.
[16:00:56] <Duesentrieb>	check them
[16:01:04] <Agility>	that makes me not-possible to get to php.ini?
[16:01:08] <Duesentrieb>	yes.
[16:01:11] <Duesentrieb>	usually
[16:01:13] <Agility>	that sucks
[16:01:14] <Duesentrieb>	check phpinfo
[16:01:20] <Agility>	phpinfo?
[16:01:36] <Duesentrieb>	it's a php function. which outputs a lot of details about php and its setup
[16:02:01] <Duesentrieb>	create a new file in the wiki dir, called info.php. make it readable for everyone. put this into it: <?php phpinfo(); ?>
[16:02:09] <Duesentrieb>	then open it through your web browser
[16:02:13] <Duesentrieb>	and give me the url
[16:02:20] <Agility>	ok
[16:02:45] <Duesentrieb>	note that exposing this info is generally not recvommended on a production system, though it's not immediatly critical either. just remove the info.php thingy once you are done
[16:02:56] <Agility>	yes its ok
[16:03:09] <Agility>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/info.php
[16:03:11] <Agility>	there ya go
[16:03:23] <Agility>	and.. holy cow.. thats sick much detail
[16:05:34] <Agility>	Duesen.. and?
[16:07:13] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: sorry, family alert. ok, i got another  5 min for you, then i gotta go.
[16:07:35] <Agility>	http://www.thetownstons.com/thetownstons/info.php
[16:07:36] <Agility>	:P
[16:07:37] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: "safe_mode	On" <-- the root of the problem
[16:07:39] <Duesentrieb>	!safemode
[16:07:39] --mwbot--	safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[16:07:50] <Agility>	ehhmm
[16:07:56] <Agility>	Configuration File (php.ini) Path  /etc  
[16:08:08] <Agility>	I have no clue where that /ect/ should be
[16:08:11] <Agility>	checked everything
[16:08:25] <Agility>	would my host say no if I'd ask if pvp safe mode could be off?
[16:08:29] <Duesentrieb>	it's in the root of the server's file system. probably not accessible via ftp. 
[16:08:30] <Agility>	its their server.. not mine
[16:08:35] <Duesentrieb>	and you can't change it anyway.
[16:08:42] <Duesentrieb>	/etc/ is system config
[16:08:45] <Agility>	as its their server.. im screwed?
[16:09:10] <Duesentrieb>	they use a bad/deprecated php setup
[16:09:17] <Duesentrieb>	safemode is a Bad Thing
[16:09:26] <Duesentrieb>	MediaWiki should be able to work with it, however.
[16:09:31] <Agility>	but they would deny if I ask?
[16:09:43] <Duesentrieb>	i'm not sure how the new thumbnailing stuff in 1.11 can be made to work with safemode, though
[16:09:52] <Duesentrieb>	it seems to have more trouble than the old sceme
[16:10:04] <Agility>	over 200 images arent shown =/
[16:10:07] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: deny? that they use it? no. but they will probably not turn it off.
[16:10:17] <Agility>	yes thats what I meant
[16:10:18] <Duesentrieb>	but do ask them about it. especially tell them that it does not exist in php6
[16:10:18] <Agility>	=/
[16:10:31] <Agility>	PHP Version 5.2.3
[16:10:35] <Agility>	that aint 6 is it?
[16:10:45] <Duesentrieb>	err? no, it's not...
[16:10:55] <Duesentrieb>	but the point is: this mode will not even exist for much longer.
[16:11:07] <Agility>	hmm
[16:11:10] <Duesentrieb>	so they should look at alternatives NOW, und stop using the deprecated shit.
[16:11:23] <Agility>	only thing I can do is ask my brother really nicely if I can borrow a part of his server lol
[16:11:36] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: anyway, get a host without safemode, and with shell access. that way you can get the max out of mediawiki.
[16:11:47] <Agility>	I understand that yes
[16:11:58] <Agility>	year contract, ongoing since june last year
[16:12:07] <Agility>	luckily its like 12 bucks a year anyway lol
[16:12:15] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: but again: mediawiki *should* be able to do thumbnailing even with safemode (at least if you turn of hased dirs for images). it used to. 
[16:12:32] <Duesentrieb>	you can ask TimStarling about it, i'm not quite sure why it doesn't work any more
[16:12:44] <Agility>	I hear more people having probs with thumbnails since 1.11.1
[16:12:48] <Agility>	like yesterday
[16:12:56] <Duesentrieb>	yes. afaik all are cause by safemode.
[16:13:03] <Agility>	timstarling = big boss man I guess?
[16:13:08] <Duesentrieb>	and there Should be a general solution to this. but i don't know it.
[16:13:50] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: there's no boss, really - i's OSS :) tim is the one who wrote the new thumbnailing code. though he also happens to be one of the two fulltime core developers, yes.
[16:14:27] <Agility>	totally offtopic.. if mediawiki = free.. then they dont get anything ..
[16:14:58] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: they do. the wikimedia foundation pais them. because the wikimedia foundation has an interest in mediawiki being well maintained.
[16:15:11] <Agility>	owh
[16:15:17] <Duesentrieb>	look at it as sponsoring
[16:15:25] <Agility>	I am totally noob in the wiki world actually..
[16:15:28] <Agility>	I should contribute more
[16:15:37] <Duesentrieb>	this model is quite common in the world of open source
[16:15:45] <Agility>	like you helping me out of nothing, just for free
[16:15:57] <Agility>	worth its characters of text in gold
[16:15:57] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, out of curiosity: did you check permissions on the thumbnail folders? and ownership?
[16:16:11] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(ow... i could be rich...)
[16:16:22] <Duesentrieb>	damn, it's getting late. i need to fix dinner.
[16:16:33] <Agility>	owner = apache
[16:16:43] <Agility>	chmod 755
[16:16:54] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: eh, I swear you lived in germany?
[16:16:55] <Duesentrieb>	so it *should* be able to write there. odd.
[16:17:02] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: sure do. why=?
[16:17:07] <Agility>	user - read write execute, group - read execute , others read execute
[16:17:14] <MinuteElectron>	It's not late.... :S
[16:17:16] <Agility>	thats from one sub-folder in /thumb
[16:17:20] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: i got two little kids :)
[16:17:26] <MinuteElectron>	oh, fair enough
[16:17:45] <Duesentrieb>	Agility: yes. that *should* work. no idea why it doesnt. try to get more error messages
[16:17:48] <Duesentrieb>	!debug | Agility
[16:17:48] --mwbot--	Agility: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[16:17:54] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, I need to go
[16:17:55] <Agility>	I did that
[16:17:56] <Duesentrieb>	bbl
[16:18:01] <Agility>	found an error I never knew, but not one I need
[16:18:05] <Agility>	bb duesen
[16:18:06] <Agility>	ty for help
[16:18:19] <Agility>	it made me smarter atleast =)
[16:19:00] <saxsux>	Hi everyone :)
[16:19:49] <saxsux>	I'm having trouble with a MW 1.11.1 installation - for some reason, the Main Page doesn't load unless users are logged in.
[16:20:19] <saxsux>	When trying to view the Main Page, the response from the server is blank...
[16:20:36] <saxsux>	But all the other articles load fine.
[16:20:50] <saxsux>	Can anyone help?
[16:20:53] <Agility>	hmm
[16:20:55] <Agility>	hold on
[16:21:26] <Agility>	saxsux: did you already checked the protection on the main page?
[16:21:44] <Agility>	be sure it doesnt stand on "Block unregistered users"
[16:23:42] <saxsux>	I'll just check...
[16:23:56] <CIA-42>	03vasilievvv * r30750 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/ (SiteMatrix.i18n.php SiteMatrix_body.php): * (bug 11217) Can we have some numbers on m:Special:SiteMatrix?
[16:23:58] <Agility>	you never know :P
[16:24:21] <CIA-42>	03nikerabbit * r30751 10/trunk/phase3/index.php: * Use full path (for example for apc.filters)
[16:26:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Can we have some numbers on m:Special:SiteMatrix? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11217  +comment (10vasilvv)
[16:26:35] <saxsux>	Editing is set to SysOps only. I don't see how that would prevent the page from loading though.
[16:26:46] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Number of wikis in Special:SiteMatrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12940  +comment (10vasilvv)
[16:30:31] <CIA-42>	03nikerabbit * r30752 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README TranslatePage.php): * (bug 12955) Numbers should be localized in Translate extension
[16:30:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Protectedtitles and Special: Protectedpages should be merged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12977 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mike.lifeguard)
[16:31:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Numbers should be localized in Translate extension - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12955  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[16:32:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special: Protectedtitles should be sortable by protection level like Special: Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12961  (10mike.lifeguard)
[16:40:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve conflict-handling between shared upload repository ( commons) and local one - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889  (10N/A)
[16:56:13] <Agony>	What could be reason that included template (in this case http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malline:Luokkainfo) do not found stub Category:Yhdysvallat-tyngät inside Category:Yhdysvallat, but when I copypaste template code in Category:Yhdysvallat, stub category is found also. This template works fine when stub category do not have - sign, but when - is found, looks like {{PAGENAME}} doesn't work
[16:56:50] <aBSDaemon>	any one know if this will work with 1.11.1 & vBulletin 3.6.8  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VBulletin/Users_Integration
[16:57:02] <Agony>	I tried in test wiki with simple ifexist case but it worked as supposed to work
[16:57:39] <ranma01>	Hi, I'm trying to set up database replication on mysql for my wiki
[16:57:52] <ranma01>	Is there information or a howto on how to do this?
[16:58:26] <ranma01>	I already have the database part running, but how to configure mediawiki for this use case seems to be not documented very well
[16:59:04] <ranma01>	AFAICT I have to use $wgDBservers to set up the load balancing, but how do I tell it which server is the master and which is the slave?
[17:00:42] <art>	hi
[17:01:02] <art>	I'm looking for information on how to create my own wiki server, can anyone help me out?
[17:02:02] <mark>	sure, read the manual :)
[17:03:22] <art>	sorry, where is it?
[17:04:11] <MinuteElectron>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation
[17:04:18] <art>	oh never mind, thanks guys
[17:08:26] <Agony>	never mind, i was stupid at this time, there was too output areas...
[17:17:15] <HACK]Gara[>	Hi guys. I recently encountered a problem while moving my wiki.
[17:17:15] <HACK]Gara[>	The database got moved fine, and the wikitext ist there, but the pages all show as "this page contains no text yet". If i try to edit the page the real content of the article is shown in the edit-field, gets saved correctly and is then shown in the article.
[17:17:15] <HACK]Gara[>	Why could this be?
[17:17:15] <HACK]Gara[>	As an example, go to http://www.dotawiki.hack4life.de/wiki/Good_Game
[17:18:22] <flyingparchment>	how did you move the wiki?
[17:18:50] <HACK]Gara[>	Backing up the old database (using phpmyadmin) and importing it into the new one
[17:19:16] <flyingparchment>	don't use phpmyadmin, it cannot properly dump non-ascii text
[17:19:22] <flyingparchment>	use mysqldump --default-character-set=latin1
[17:19:42] <HACK]Gara[>	Is this possible without shell-access?
[17:19:50] <flyingparchment>	unlikely
[17:20:05] <HACK]Gara[>	..not good
[17:20:21] <HACK]Gara[>	And why latin1 instead of utf8?
[17:21:22] <flyingparchment>	because mysql didn't support utf-8 until recently (and the support is still incomplete), mediawiki uses 'latin1' as the character set of the tables
[17:21:31] <flyingparchment>	(but the actual data in the tables is utf-8)
[17:21:38] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30753 10/trunk/extensions/ImportFreeImages/ (ImportFreeImages.i18n.php ImportFreeImages.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[17:24:15] <HACK]Gara[>	hm... is there any way to kinda tell the wiki every page has been edited once?
[17:24:21] <HACK]Gara[>	To "fake" an edit?
[17:24:36] <HACK]Gara[>	Because this would make the text appear properly
[17:24:37] <flyingparchment>	that won't help, if you look at the text in the edit box, you'll see the non-ascii characters are broken
[17:25:09] <HACK]Gara[>	yes, but this can be fixed manually if needed
[17:25:10] <HACK]Gara[>	If would help to make em display in any way
[17:28:16] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30754 10/trunk/extensions/inputbox/ (InputBox.i18n.php inputbox.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[17:30:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Paging for CheckUser results - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11789  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[17:31:10] <ranma01>	Hmm, if I read the code right, the Master DB should always be the first in the $wgDBservers array? Is this documented somewhere?
[17:34:50] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30755 10/trunk/extensions/InspectCache/ (InspectCache.i18n.php InspectCache.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[17:47:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser breaks some template expansion in Semantic MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12906  (10ThomasBleher)
[17:58:59] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30756 10/trunk/extensions/intersection/ (DynamicPageList.i18n.php DynamicPageList.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[18:03:33] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30757 10/trunk/extensions/DynamicPageList2/ (DynamicPageList2.i18n.php DynamicPageList2.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[18:28:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect page with additional normal wikilinks shows up as redirect on every linked page 's "what links here?" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12971  (10N/A)
[18:31:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Non-global user groups inaccessible to stewards - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12518  summary; +comment (10dungodung)
[18:36:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Upload directory not writable on wg.en.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12967  summary; +comment (10dungodung)
[18:39:06] <Random832>	i never heard of wg.en.wikipedia.org
[18:39:09] <Random832>	are there other sub-wikis?
[18:39:52] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Special:Protectedtitles and Special: Protectedpages should be merged - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12977  +comment (10dungodung)
[18:39:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Create permission to Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12583  +comment (10dungodung)
[18:40:04] <dungodung>	Random832: not that I know of
[18:40:56] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[18:41:06] <MinuteElectron>	Wikipedia Working Group sounds like a conspiracy to me.
[18:41:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	There Is No Cabal!
[18:41:17] <Jack_Phoenix>	TINC! TINC!
[18:41:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	;-)
[18:41:26] <Skizzerz>	fnord
[18:41:33] <MinuteElectron>	Just like all the other hidden Wikimedia wikis, why do they need to keep it secret?
[18:41:48] <MinuteElectron>	There is arbcom.en.wikipedia.org afaik
[18:41:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	something we'll never be able to know...
[18:42:03] <MinuteElectron>	not sure if it is hidden or not
[18:42:03] <dungodung>	MinuteElectron: they're not actually hiddne
[18:42:10] *Jack_Phoenix 	waits for cabal.en.wikipedia.org :P
[18:42:11] <MinuteElectron>	dungodung: i mean as in the pages
[18:42:20] <dungodung>	yeah, they're not hidden
[18:42:22] <dungodung>	just protected :P
[18:42:26] <Random832>	are there any plans to mirror the appropriate portion of the meta rights log on each wiki?
[18:42:34] <MinuteElectron>	dungodung: no, you can't see any of the wg.en.wikipedia.org pages.
[18:42:55] <alt-sysrq>	Hello! Is it possible to set something like alias for "<math>...</math>"? Like in TeX "$...$"?
[18:43:02] <dungodung>	MinuteElectron: well yes, but that means they are "covered", not hidden
[18:43:16] <MinuteElectron>	meh, same thing ;)
[18:43:28] <kibble>	Random832: no, that's an evil thought that would take a lot of work :-)
[18:43:29] <dungodung>	you don't get "page doesn't exist" message, but rather a "no permissions" error :)
[18:43:42] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[18:43:58] <Random832>	kibble: is there a bug for it?
[18:44:18] <MinuteElectron>	hmm, why is there a need to hide arbcom wiki?
[18:44:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	good question :)
[18:44:58] <kibble>	Random832: I think so
[18:45:14] <kibble>	MinuteElectron: define hide
[18:45:45] <MinuteElectron>	not let non-logged in users view the pages
[18:45:54] <Splarka>	alt-sysrq: possibly via http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ParserAfterStrip or http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_hooks/InternalParseBeforeLinks
[18:45:56] <Random832>	why haven't meta rights changes been logged on the target wiki from the beginning?
[18:46:03] <Jack_Phoenix>	and not let non-logged in users create accounts, too ;-)
[18:46:08] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[18:46:13] <Random832>	or log local rights changes on meta, and merge all THOSE logs to the meta log
[18:46:33] <Random832>	but, you know - get it in one place
[18:47:40] <Random832>	(for that matter, the bot log should be merged to the rights log)
[18:48:38] <dungodung>	yes... Random832 you should file a bug, if there already isn't one
[18:49:20] <Splarka>	alt-sysrq: using one of the early parse hooks, you could probably simply do a replace of \n(.*)$(.*)$(.*)\n with \n$1<math>$2</math>$3\n or something
[18:49:30] <Random832>	lol there's a bug for cross-wiki blocking
[18:49:55] <Random832>	that absolutely should not be done unless logging is normalized, due to how block logs are perceived on some wikis
[18:50:33] <Splarka>	the global regex block on Wikia was pretty sweet, of course it helped to have a single user db
[18:53:50] <Splarka>	Random832: how about a Special:Log/global
[18:54:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	eww logs :P
[18:54:07] <Splarka>	that logs all global type changes (for future compatability with SL)
[18:54:16] <Splarka>	user rights, blocks, user creations, etc
[18:54:56] <Splarka>	Jack: guys will always be obsessed with their logs, doesn't mean you have to look
[18:55:25] <Jack_Phoenix>	but having global/regex blocks on a *public* log...that's giving way too much info into the trolls that have been banned 9_9
[18:56:04] <Splarka>	TINNFAC
[18:57:36] <Random832>	i just think
[18:57:46] <Splarka>	mistake #1
[18:57:55] <Random832>	an action performed on User:Example@enwiki, should show up on the log on en.wiki
[18:58:05] <Random832>	is that really so much to ask
[19:02:42] <Random832>	really, any actions by a user on one wiki, on a user on another wiki, should be logged both places
[19:19:11] <Bryan>	is it intended that the ArticleDelete* hooks are not called when a file is deleted?
[19:21:46] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30758 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: update skins, aliases, space names message from betawiki.
[19:28:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Regular Malay i18n update - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12978 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (tarmiziaffandi)
[19:30:02] <AzaTht>	Tim-away: poke
[19:31:30] <Agility>	aza
[19:31:34] <Agility>	one very quick question
[19:31:45] <AzaTht>	hmm
[19:31:49] <Agility>	ehh.. Shell access is handy for a wiki
[19:31:54] <Agility>	but what if the system runs on windows?
[19:32:10] <AzaTht>	then you are in a trouble
[19:32:27] <Agility>	that isnt possible?
[19:32:38] <AzaTht>	theoretically it's possible
[19:32:47] <AzaTht>	but I dunno how
[19:32:53] <[GW]Spiderpig>	i'm back.. still not found out what the problem is with my &action= rewrites.. if you think you can help me: tommy@gtagangsters.nl (msn)
[19:37:17] <Skizzerz>	Duesentrieb: how can one fix the "failed to fetch" error on the Extension Matrix?
[19:38:00] <Bryan>	hmm... so there is no FileDelete hook...
[19:38:22] <Bryan>	I wonder, should I add one or let ArticleDelete also work on files?
[19:54:37] <CIA-42>	03btongminh * r30759 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/ (GlobalUsage.php GlobalUsage_body.php): Also update the globalimagelinks table on image upload and deletion and article deletion.
[19:54:44] <yenno>	hi, somebody knows how to make an ed2k://...-link?
[20:10:32] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30760 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-09 21:01 CET)
[20:11:33] <CIA-42>	03rotem * r30761 10/trunk/extensions/SiteMatrix/SiteMatrix.i18n.php: Update for he.
[20:11:33] <Snowolf>	Are # & ## admissible as namespace names?
[20:12:22] <Nikerabbit>	dude, I had to look admissible from dictionary :)
[20:12:39] <Skizzerz>	Snowolf: I wouldn't think so, as it would interfere with linking and query strings
[20:13:16] <Nikerabbit>	Skizzerz: it shouldn't
[20:13:27] <Nikerabbit>	not that I would suggest using namespace like that
[20:13:43] <Skizzerz>	?title=&:something&action=edit
[20:13:47] *Snowolf 	will try shortly
[20:14:59] <MrZ-man>	## works
[20:15:26] <MrZ-man>	as does #
[20:15:44] <Skizzerz>	hmm, learn something new every day :)
[20:19:38] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30762 10/trunk/extensions/ (58 files in 56 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-09 21:01 CET)
[20:20:39] <Nikerabbit>	Skizzerz: it should be escaped
[20:20:54] <Skizzerz>	oh yeah, duh :P
[20:21:15] *Skizzerz 	forgets that MediaWiki htmlspecialchars() anything and everything when it comes to URLs
[20:22:50] <Nikerabbit>	well not really everything
[20:28:13] <alt-sysrq>	How to add hook that will work before wiki math processor? I want to replace $...$ on <math>...</math>, but if I write hook in $wgHooks['ParserAfterStrip'] or $wgHooks['InternalParseBeforeLinks'] it replaces text between '$', but not parse <math></math> after replacing.
[20:29:05] <alt-sysrq>	P.S. Thanks Splarka for advice...
[20:31:41] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30763 10/trunk/extensions/LanguageSelector/ (LanguageSelector.i18n.php LanguageSelector.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:33:23] <alt-sysrq>	Problem solved. I used $wgHooks['ParserBeforeStrip'], and all works now, thanks to Splarka again :)
[20:36:33] <CIA-42>	03nikerabbit * r30764 10/trunk/phase3/languages/classes/LanguageCy.php: * Plural for Welsh
[20:37:08] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30765 10/trunk/extensions/LatexDoc/ (LatexDoc.i18n.php LatexDoc.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:39:44] <CIA-42>	03vyznev * r30766 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Parser.php): 
[20:39:44] <CIA-42>	(bug 12815) Signature timestamps are now given in the time zone specified by
[20:39:44] <CIA-42>	$wgLocaltimezone. Formerly the timestamp itself was always in UTC, while the
[20:39:44] <CIA-42>	timezone code in parentheses came from $wgLocaltimezone or, if unset, from
[20:39:44] <CIA-42>	the server environment.
[20:42:00] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) $wgLocaltimezone half ignored in signatures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12815  +comment (10nospam)
[20:42:03] <Nikerabbit>	yay vyznew
[20:42:26] <jtsage>	so, I have created an integrated login solution, which works quite well - however, I notice that the user can change his/her real name under the wiki after the account has been created on the wiki, and the changes persist - can anyone here thing of a good reason not to reset the realname on a successful lookup from the wikidb?
[20:46:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Warning: putenv(): Safe Mode warning: Cannot set environment variable 'TZ' - it's not in the allowed list Parser .php on line 2851 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2658  +comment (10nospam)
[20:48:34] <peoples>	hey guys .. :)
[20:49:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specify timezones by location, to allow automatic adjustments of timeoffset and daylight saving time (DST ) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505  (10nospam)
[20:50:45] <peoples>	is there an extension or an option i don't see , that checks the words from a new article to match with an existing article ?
[20:59:33] <CIA-42>	03grondin * r30767 10/trunk/extensions/LinkSearch/ (LinkSearch.i18n.php LinkSearch.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[21:00:02] <Skizzerz>	peoples: I don't think such an extension exists yet
[21:03:58] <flyingparchment>	jtsage: you mean you wrote an authplugin?
[21:04:38] <peoples>	? i can't belive that all the users who writes an article on wikipedia searches and links all the linked words on their own ?
[21:05:01] <jtsage>	flyingparchment - correct.  well, heavily modified one anyway :)  it's pretty application specific, so i doubt i would ever release it
[21:05:10] <flyingparchment>	peoples: why search?  just link things that should have articles
[21:05:24] <flyingparchment>	jtsage: then the authplugin should update the external repository when the user's name changes
[21:06:21] <peoples>	and how the users know that an article with this word exists ?
[21:06:45] <flyingparchment>	peoples: why does it matter if it exists or not?  if it doesn't, a red link will appear, and someone can write it later
[21:06:46] <jtsage>	actually, set it up the other way around.  and i did just dig in a bit - they can still change thier name on the wiki, but when they log back in, it will reinherit from the main web site (in this case, only the main web site should be considered authoratitive - and i don't want to allow the wiki in those tables - not yet anyway) :)
[21:11:30] <AzaTht>	anyone knows how to grab roan asap?
[21:11:32] <peoples>	k k .. i've just thinked there is an extension wich scans the words from a new article an create automatically links to matched articles :)
[21:13:50] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12979 major; normal; MediaWiki: API; (azatoth)
[21:17:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12979  +comment (10edwardzyang)
[21:25:14] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12979  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:25:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error code="internal_api_error_MWException" info=" Exception Caught: Internal error in ApiResult::setElement: Attempting to merge element imageinfo" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12953  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:26:05] <AzaTht>	aha
[21:26:11] <AzaTht>	Bryan: whoops
[21:48:53] <CIA-42>	03tbleher * r30768 10/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 
[21:48:53] <CIA-42>	A few trivial changes:
[21:48:53] <CIA-42>	* Update some URLs (pages moved from meta to mw.org)
[21:48:53] <CIA-42>	* Update and fix some comments
[21:48:53] <CIA-42>	* Fix indentation and whitespace in phase3/includes/filerepo/ICRepo.php
[21:53:58] <sudoking>	The {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} variable seems to not be working on my wiki: I recieved "18,446,744,073,709,551,615 articles" when I placed it on the Main Page
[21:59:03] <vanhellig>	hello, i have problem with thumbnails. some reason all thumbnails are gone. how can I regenerate them? usin version 1.11
[22:13:57] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30769 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Update
[22:29:35] <earthnative>	say, anyone around or does everyone just watch the bots?
[22:35:50] <MinuteElectron>	earthnative: yup
[22:41:39] <earthnative>	MinuteElectron: yeah, I've been lurking here for about 12 hours, and seen a few questions, and mostly bot chatter :(
[22:43:05] <earthnative>	plus my own question about how to add the 'Licensing' dropdown box as per wikipedia on the 'upload files' page. (is it an extension? magic template? other?)
[22:43:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	earthnative: it's a system message, MediaWiki:Licenses
[22:46:10] <aBSDaemon>	Wow, active place on a saturday afternoon
[22:46:17] <earthnative>	Jack_Phoenix: thankyou :D
[22:46:30] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[22:47:00] <aBSDaemon>	Anyone have a good tutorial for added jabs via Javascript?
[22:47:22] <MinuteElectron>	jabs?
[22:54:34] <aBSDaemon>	tabs
[22:55:21] <aBSDaemon>	http://www.ourpropertytaxes.com/taxinfo/      trying to get the "+" tab to fold out into a list of bookmarking sites
[22:55:27] <aBSDaemon>	I guess like Wikihow
[22:56:11] <aBSDaemon>	I hard coded the tab into SkinTemplate.php
[22:59:08] <MrZ-man>	a + tab to add a new section to the page?
[22:59:43] <MrZ-man>	oh, never mind
[22:59:48] *MrZ-man 	read up
[23:17:55] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30770 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[23:17:55] <CIA-42>	* update descriptionmsg of WhosOnline
[23:17:55] <CIA-42>	* Add WhosOnline to Translate
[23:19:24] <CIA-42>	03siebrand * r30771 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Fix typo
[23:33:29] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30772 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files): 
[23:33:29] <CIA-42>	* Validate version metadata
[23:33:29] <CIA-42>	* Message tweaks
[23:33:29] <CIA-42>	* Comment formatting
[23:33:29] <CIA-42>	* Update doc
[23:46:23] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30773 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Create getValidationKey()
[23:50:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Request feature: Subpages of Shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12980 minor; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (soxred93)
[23:53:24] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30774 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Add token here too
[23:56:21] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30775 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Fix unapproveRevision(), input is not a row anymore
[23:57:40] <CharlieHuggard>	anyone in here have commit powers and feel like fixing a small but annoying typo in includes/MimeMagic.php ? Line 417 in the trunk revision needs to have '%PDF' as the magic for 'application/pdf' instead of 'PDF%'
[23:59:38] <CIA-42>	03river * r30776 10/trunk/phase3/includes/MimeMagic.php: the correct magic for PDF is "%PDF"
[23:59:57] <CharlieHuggard>	thanks a bunch :) 
[23:59:59] <CIA-42>	03aaron * r30777 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Make diff review more consistent