[00:10:17] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30988 10/trunk/extensions/AjaxShowEditors/ (AjaxShowEditors.i18n.php Response.php): Add 3 messages that could not yet be localised
[00:15:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10l8qjvx002)
[00:22:54] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30989 10/trunk/phase3/ (71 files in 2 dirs): 
[00:22:54] <CIA-6>	Remove unused message 'imgmultiparseerror' (added in r19651, removed in r19668)
[00:22:54] <CIA-6>	Thanks to Lejonel for spotting this.
[00:43:45] <JDigital>	Weird thing. I was talking to a guy the other day who said he installed Mediawiki for a one-man wiki, which in practice is just a website.
[00:44:04] <JDigital>	Is there really no better personal website CMS than Mediawiki?
[01:05:54] *r3m0t 	wants to develop all of a sudden - it's probably a phase
[01:09:21] <tlhiv_laptop>	is javascript allowed in pages?
[01:14:43] <piccarlit>	Hello, can anyone help me with a filetype-problem? I want to enable uploading of KMZ- and KML-files, so i addes the following line to LocalSettings.php: $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'pdf', 'kmz', 'kml');  Furthermore i added the MIME_Types of KMZ and KML to includes/mime.info and includes/mime.types... it still does not work. Error message is: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the
[01:16:00] <Skizzerz>	tlhiv_laptop: by default, no
[01:16:15] <tlhiv_laptop>	but can i enable it?
[01:16:20] <Skizzerz>	yes
[01:16:35] <tlhiv_laptop>	how about form inputs?
[01:16:40] <Skizzerz>	!html
[01:16:40] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[01:17:18] <tlhiv_laptop>	i want to create a RGB displayer on a page
[01:17:36] <tlhiv_laptop>	i'm not processing any forms, just want 3 text boxes to hold the r/g/b values
[01:17:52] <Skizzerz>	tlhiv_laptop: actually, I shouldn't say "no" by default. It IS possible to use site javascript (doable by editing MediaWiki:Common.js) and attach classes to the elements on the page that activate said javascript
[01:17:55] <tlhiv_laptop>	then it will show the color
[01:20:16] <tlhiv_laptop>	Skizzerz: so i could just create a bunch of functions and place it in that page?
[01:22:03] <Duesentrieb>	to create a js based thingy like that on-page, you can use site js, or HTMLets
[01:22:39] <tlhiv_laptop>	any howto on how to accomplish this?
[01:22:53] <tlhiv_laptop>	i already have that on my own website, but i'm trying to incorporate it into my wiki
[01:23:08] <tlhiv_laptop>	all the guts are there, i just need to make it happen on the wiki
[01:23:42] <Duesentrieb>	!htmlets | tlhiv_laptop
[01:23:42] --mwbot--	tlhiv_laptop: For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[01:24:26] <Duesentrieb>	tlhiv_laptop: the idea is that you need some way to include raw html/js in your wiki page, while not allowing anyone to add any html.
[01:24:44] <tlhiv_laptop>	i think that's a preferable solution
[01:25:03] <Duesentrieb>	well, Skizzerz already gave you those links a few minutes ago :)
[01:25:10] <tlhiv_laptop>	;)
[01:25:43] <Duesentrieb>	Extension:RawMsg is probably the most easy to use
[01:26:12] <tlhiv_laptop>	i'm a newbie to this wiki stuff ... enabling the extensions is something that is foreign to me
[01:26:46] <Duesentrieb>	the description page has instructions
[01:26:51] <Duesentrieb>	for more general info, see here
[01:26:53] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions
[01:26:53] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[01:29:34] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) E-mail addresses for e-mailable users exposed through preference setting - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8523  +comment (10the.r3m0t)
[01:30:08] <piccarlit>	Hello, can anyone help me please with a filetype-problem? I want to enable uploading of KMZ- and KML-files, so I added the following line to my LocalSettings.php: $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'pdf', 'kmz', 'kml');  Furthermore i added the MIME_Types of KMZ and KML to includes/mime.info and includes/mime.types... it still does not work. Error message is: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please
[01:39:03] <tlhiv_laptop>	Skizzerz: can rawmsg handle javascript as well as html?
[01:39:18] <Skizzerz>	yes, considering javascript is made via <script>
[01:39:59] <tlhiv_laptop>	sweet ... is there a way to make it so that sysops are the only one that can use this?
[01:40:24] <Skizzerz>	check those extension links from above
[01:40:44] <tlhiv_laptop>	ok sorry
[01:41:21] <tlhiv_laptop>	i've read all i could find from those links on rawmsg
[01:41:37] <Skizzerz>	it's fine, it's just that most of them have the restrictions you're looking for
[01:42:08] <tlhiv_laptop>	so you're saying that if i weren't a sysop, then what i'm doing wouldn't work anyway?
[01:42:17] <tlhiv_laptop>	i'm editing things as my normal self, and i'm a sysop
[01:42:45] <Skizzerz>	no, I'm saying that the extensions listed above (at least Secure HTML) have restrictions that prevent non-sysops from using it
[01:43:07] <tlhiv_laptop>	but rawmsg does not?
[01:43:15] <Skizzerz>	idk, lemme check
[01:43:23] <tlhiv_laptop>	thanx alot
[01:44:00] <Skizzerz>	yes, RawMsg has that feature as well, albeit it's implemented in a different way
[01:44:25] <tlhiv_laptop>	very nice
[01:44:28] <tlhiv_laptop>	thanx so much
[01:44:32] <Skizzerz>	np :)
[01:58:39] <Random832>	how hard would it be to make a 100% accurate log of changes to categories, including diffs to the edit that caused the changes
[02:00:02] <Skizzerz>	hmm, that'd be interesting. It'd certainly be difficult, but should be do-able
[02:01:42] <Random832>	by the time the catgory table gets changed (by the job queue sometimes, in the case of template edits), does the process that does that still know the ids of the diff responsible for it?
[02:02:37] <Skizzerz>	you'd probably have to hook into ArticleSaveComplete to get an accurate (and up-to-date) reading from it
[02:03:05] <Skizzerz>	looking for additions/deletions/changes of [[Category:x]] in the wiki code
[02:03:11] <Random832>	no, no
[02:03:21] <Random832>	that's not right - that wouldn't log changes that involved templates
[02:03:31] <Random832>	it'd have to be done when the category table gets updated
[02:03:45] <Random832>	the question is whether that is possible
[02:04:03] <Skizzerz>	should be possible
[02:04:27] <Skizzerz>	might take a while for the log entry to be written because of the job queue, but should be possible
[02:10:03] <Random832>	the other issue
[02:10:15] <Random832>	if someone makes a null edit, would it record the template edit or the null edit
[02:12:16] <Skizzerz>	I don't think null edits are stored...
[02:23:09] <Webs961>	Hello, I've got an advanced wiki question which I cannot find the solution for on the mediawiki site.  The Wiki I operate needs to be transferred from a 1 web server installation to an 8 web server grid.  
[02:23:48] <Webs961>	My problem is this:  I get some PHP session errors when the wiki is ported over, even though the session_savepath is set to a globally writable location.  
[02:25:04] <TimStarling>	that sounds like a PHP question, rather than a mediawiki question
[02:25:41] <Webs961>	That's what I was afraid of.  I was just thinking someone here might have had some more insight into the issue, maybe having dealt with it before.  
[02:26:19] <TimStarling>	have you tried looking at the relevant section in the PHP manual?
[02:26:34] <TimStarling>	you say you looked at the mediawiki website, but I think the PHP manual would be more relevant
[02:26:43] <Webs961>	I'll go take a look and see what it says.  
[02:39:17] <Webs961>	Ok, I've read the applicable sections in the PHP documentation, and it pretty much tells me to do what I already learned from mediawiki's FAQ:  Make sure the session_save_path is set to a globally writable directory.  
[02:40:58] <Webs961>	If I try to login, I get the "uses cookies, make sure you have cookies enabled on your computer."  But, I can login perfectly fine on the installation on the stand-alone web server.  
[02:42:24] <Random832>	lol
[02:42:33] <Random832>	sorry, wrong channel
[03:34:29] <TimStarling>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steering_law
[03:34:48] <TimStarling>	I've never seen such nonsense in all my life
[03:35:25] <TimStarling>	ok maybe I have, but I didn't expect to see it taken seriously
[03:35:50] <Kirby>	heh
[03:38:19] <TimStarling>	first, let's assume that the speed you can drive through a tunnel is proportional to the width of the tunnel
[03:38:35] <Random832>	shouldn't the edit summary box be smaller on languages that use non-latin scripts, since you're less likely to be able to fit 200 utf-8 characters in 255 bytes?
[03:38:47] <TimStarling>	complete nonsense I know, but maybe if we take the integral along the path, it will be sufficiently obscured and nobody will notice what nonsense it is
[03:39:35] <TimStarling>	and hey, let's derive it from Fitts' law, by taking that law, which is logarithmic, and noticing that any logarithm becomes linear in the region around 1
[03:39:57] <Random832>	TimStarling: so nominate it for deletion
[03:40:25] <TimStarling>	anything that was special about Fitt's law is stripped away by taking that limit
[03:40:56] <TimStarling>	it could have been pretty much any function, anything with a dominant linear term in the taylor series expansion
[03:42:12] <TimStarling>	Random832: being wrong is not a reason for deletion
[03:42:39] <Random832>	ah - i tohught you were saying it's a hoax
[03:42:52] <TimStarling>	no, it's serious computer science, such as it is
[03:44:21] *Kirby 	places a {{Non-free}} on Betacommand.
[04:03:08] <Kirby>	rar splarka
[04:03:13] <Splarka>	ra
[04:03:47] <TimStarling>	maybe HCI researchers collectively have no idea what a limit is
[04:04:18] <TimStarling>	power law of practice: T_n = T_1 / (n^0.4)
[04:04:45] <TimStarling>	where T_n is how long it takes you to do something after n trials
[04:05:34] <TimStarling>	so after 100 trials, 10 times faster
[04:05:45] <TimStarling>	after a million trials, 1000 times faster
[04:06:07] <TimStarling>	it's just absurd
[04:06:25] <TimStarling>	the first thing you should do when you propose a formula is check if it has the right limits
[04:06:52] <TimStarling>	if they said T_n = T_min + T_1 / (n^0.4), it would have been fine
[04:08:36] <Splarka>	oh great, yet another monopoly... the guy who owns Ripley (Believe it or Not) just bought Guinness World Records... where are the antitrust committees when we need them
[05:56:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Hide unchanged" option and "changes since" link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13032 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugs)
[05:59:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) User contributions: "Hide unchanged" option and "changes since" link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13032  summary (10bugs)
[06:02:00] <Random832>	Simetrical: ping
[06:02:13] <Random832>	can you explain how https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156#c13 without javascript?
[06:06:08] <Splarka>	that doesn't seem to not imply js (comment #43 does, but only for core, whilst comment #13 is specifically for projects to opt in themselves)
[06:17:26] <Random832>	Splarka: i was confused because it seemed to be implying there was _already_ something that admins could do on each project to enable it, and the only thing that fits that description is adding to common.js
[06:21:15] <David__>	Hi, I just tried to install mediawiki and I got this error: Fatal error: Call to a member function get() on a non-object in /home/quick/public_html/forum/wiki/languages/Language.php on line 1617 during installation
[06:30:11] <David__>	Anyone?
[06:46:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  +comment (10Greg_L_at_Wikipedia)
[06:49:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10Greg_L_at_Wikipedia)
[06:49:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10random832)
[06:50:01] <Random832|zzz>	whoa - i got an edit conflict on bugzilla
[08:29:53] <ThomasV>	replag
[08:30:00] <ThomasV>	gah
[08:34:18] <Werdna>	ThomasV: wrong channel :)
[08:47:16] <uberfuzzy>	whats the $wg setting that controls the upper limit for special pages?
[08:50:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace translations for Laos - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12848  (10passawuth)
[09:11:19] <Hrishikesh>	hi, is there any webservices implemented for wikipedia
[09:29:38] <Werdna>	!api | Hrishikesh 
[09:29:38] --mwbot--	Hrishikesh: The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[09:30:23] <Hrishikesh>	thanks mwbot, i guess this api would help me in making calls from my desktop pc to the wiki server
[09:36:34] <Hrishikesh>	do i need to have username and password registered as the login pages say
[09:37:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  (10muhfugga)
[09:38:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  (10muhfugga)
[09:40:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  +comment (10overlordq)
[09:48:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  (10muhfugga)
[09:49:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  (10muhfugga)
[09:52:25] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Blocked IPs aren't blocked when the user logs out. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13027  +comment (10overlordq)
[10:08:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582  (10cyp)
[10:25:55] <_wooz>	lo
[10:53:13] <Hrishikesh>	hi, i exported a few artiles from wikipedia and i parse the xml for the text but then there seems a lot of tags defining many things
[10:53:30] <Hrishikesh>	is there any document for the various tags and how they are related 
[10:53:52] <Werdna>	Well, long story.
[10:54:00] <Werdna>	The tags are defined by extensions enabled on Wikimedia
[10:54:20] <Werdna>	you can see these on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version, which, at the bottom, lists all the tags, and the methods that handle them
[10:56:15] <Hrishikesh>	why this lucene search is there ? i mean are u using lucene in any case
[10:58:50] <Hrishikesh>	i wanted to parse the content inside the text but then not geting a clue
[11:13:19] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) bot migration to short link format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13033 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (gangleri)
[11:15:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bot migration to short link format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13033  (10gangleri)
[11:16:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bot migration to short link format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13033  (10gangleri)
[11:17:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) bot migration to short link format - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13033  (10gangleri)
[11:37:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED)  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=   +shell; +comment (10gangleri)
[12:28:25] <CIA-6>	03minuteelectron * r30990 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[12:28:25] <CIA-6>	CategoryStepper extension can now use a MediaWiki namespace page for configuration, and general code clean up for CategoryStepper and
[12:28:25] <CIA-6>	MultiBoilerplate extensions.
[12:28:29] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30991 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: 
[12:28:29] <CIA-6>	* add dlc
[12:28:29] <CIA-6>	* update comments
[12:29:25] <MinuteElectron>	 /a afk
[12:29:32] <tyagi>	I've been running MediaWiki for a few years, and haven't altered / upgraded the encoding. I'm trying to do some bot work using pywikipediabot, and I'm getting some errors related to encoding - it appears to expect UTF-8. Should I be upgrading my encoding from Latin1 to UTF-8?
[12:32:42] <MinuteElectron>	no
[12:33:22] <MinuteElectron>	it will destroy mediawiki
[12:33:37] <tyagi>	right.
[12:33:54] <MinuteElectron>	mediawiki uses latin1 for utf8
[12:34:05] <MinuteElectron>	are your pywikipedia settings correct
[12:34:16] <tyagi>	probably not. I'm looking at the family file now.
[12:34:27] <tyagi>	I think I need to explicitly set the encoding for my site.
[12:34:43] <tyagi>	seems to be a recent change in the pywikipediabot code
[12:50:02] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED)  - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12082  -shell ; +comment (10danny_b)
[12:51:29] <tyagi>	meh. seems to be a combination of my user-config.py file, my wiki config (set to 'en'), and my OS X terminal language setting. I'm now getting an incorrect password returned from the bot library as it doesn't seem to be passing the correctly encoded password to the wiki for login.
[12:53:00] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) bot migration to short link format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13033  +comment (10danny_b)
[12:53:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152  +comment (10danny_b)
[12:55:41] <MichaleR>	anybody home?
[13:04:53] <MichaleR>	I've just done an export/import of the help pages.  The imported pages have a {{Languages|Help:Contents}} contruct that my installation Barfs(tm) on.  Looking at the MediaWiki Special:Version page I don't see the module that would support it.
[13:05:43] <OverlordQ>	ParserFuncs?
[13:06:04] <MichaleR>	Parserfuncs?
[13:06:19] <Danny_B>	MichaleR: that "construct" (as cou call it) you've just shown looks like orinary template to me, so perhaps you need to export/import the template as well
[13:06:58] <OverlordQ>	[[meta:ParserFunctions]]
[13:07:16] <MichaleR>	Can you do that without the content?  or is there a downside to re-importing the content?
[13:07:46] <OverlordQ>	if you dont have the ParserFunctions extention it might be barfing on the #ifeq
[13:08:38] <MichaleR>	ParserFunctions!
[13:09:50] <MichaleR>	just drilled through the help to find out about them, it looks like the problem.  You're right about the #ifeq
[13:18:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variable to (dis)allow templates in signatures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11414  summary; +comment (10danny_b)
[13:20:28] <tyagi>	hmm, I'm now getting AssertionError: charset for mywiki:en changed from utf-8 to iso-8859-1
[13:20:44] <MichaleR>	OverlordQ - anything needed to be done besides populating the Extentions directory with the ParserFunctions files?
[13:21:00] <tyagi>	this is being generated by wikipedia.py in the checkCharset function
[13:21:49] <Duesentrieb>	tyagi: #pywikipediabot exists, afik...
[13:22:08] <Duesentrieb>	but anyway - why would the charset change? it's utf-8 as far as the bot is concerned
[13:22:11] <tyagi>	that'd be useful. thanks. I didn't know that channel exists.
[13:22:18] <Duesentrieb>	on the web side, mediawiki hasn't used anything else for years now
[13:22:35] <OverlordQ>	MichaleR: edit LocalSettings
[13:22:51] <tyagi>	yeah, that's why I'm confused. I did think my wiki had always functioned in utf-8, so I was confused about these bot errors related to iso-8859-1 encoding.
[13:22:51] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions | MichaleR
[13:22:51] --mwbot--	MichaleR: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[13:23:50] <Duesentrieb>	tyagi: the bot is confused. or your webserver messes with the headers sent by mediawiki. mediawiki uses utf-8 for everything (it might in some cases tell mysql otherwise, but don't worry about that)
[13:24:17] <tyagi>	thanks. 
[13:25:53] <MichaleR>	Thank you.
[13:29:51] <AtharHameed>	Hi everyone. My extension is doing an insert query on an innodb table. It run fine but nothing gets saved in the db. Any ideas?
[13:53:00] <White_Cat>	hmm
[13:53:26] <White_Cat>	when I put "tr:text" on the search box it takes me to en:text and not tr:text
[13:53:30] <White_Cat>	was this a new feature?
[13:57:08] <MinuteElectron>	White_Cat: which wiki?
[13:59:08] <orzel>	i have a mediawiki that got updated since 1.6.3 to 1.11.0, and another one which is a brand new 1.11.0 install. I'm worried, because they dont have the same db structure. Some tables exist in the updated one that are not present in the newly installed one.
[13:59:20] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron all
[13:59:24] <White_Cat>	I tried it on en.wiki
[13:59:33] <White_Cat>	it used to go to the seaech page
[13:59:42] <orzel>	But my biggest concerns is that some tables are 'innodb' in the oldupdated, while all tables are 'myisam' in the newly installed one. Is there a way to cleanup all of this ?
[13:59:46] <White_Cat>	not finding a tr:text page
[13:59:55] <White_Cat>	but you had the option to further click tr:wiki
[14:00:08] <White_Cat>	the built in search of firefox is also broken as a result
[14:01:36] <OverlordQ>	what mean you, if I search for tr:text on en.wiki, at the top it says: "You searched for tr:text" where tr:text is a link to: http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/text
[14:01:42] <OverlordQ>	or am i misinterpreting what you mean
[14:03:13] <MinuteElectron>	White_Cat: Confirmed, you could file it as a bug?
[14:03:25] <White_Cat>	I dont know
[14:03:35] <White_Cat>	I want to know which patch caused it
[14:03:35] <AtharHameed>	Hi everyone. My extension is doing an insert query on an innodb table. It run fine but nothing gets saved in the db. Any ideas?
[14:03:44] <White_Cat>	it might be faster to resolve it like that
[14:03:47] <White_Cat>	this started recently
[14:04:10] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron can you check?
[14:04:38] <MinuteElectron>	White_Cat: Maybe, but there are *a lot* of revisions to the code, and unless you know exactly when it happend and what code to look for it would be very difficult to find.
[14:04:55] <MinuteElectron>	Personally, I don't know the bit of code related to search well enough to find a bug.
[14:05:02] <White_Cat>	okay
[14:05:22] <White_Cat>	it was bugzilla.wikimedia.org right?
[14:05:26] <MinuteElectron>	However, open it as a bug and give the date you first noticed so that anyone who does can easily find it.
[14:05:30] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:05:35] <White_Cat>	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
[14:06:50] <White_Cat>	its slow as hell
[14:09:35] <MichaleR>	Sanity check Question:  One can use Subversion for complete install/upgrade/maintenance?
[14:09:53] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:10:08] <MinuteElectron>	but it is not reccomended to use the latest version for a production site (although wikimedia do)
[14:10:46] <MinuteElectron>	you can of course, just make sure you take extra safety precautions (such as abckups)
[14:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	actually, the answer is not "yes", but "sometimes"
[14:11:07] <aton`>	mornin
[14:11:18] <Duesentrieb>	svn trun is just whatever someone has just checked in. it may be completly broken
[14:11:24] <Duesentrieb>	it may also corrupt existing data
[14:11:29] <aton`>	when i try to use "=" in templates, they dont work :(
[14:11:30] <Duesentrieb>	there's no telling
[14:11:31] <aton`>	is that normal?
[14:11:52] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: what do you mean by "in templates"? in unnamed template parameters, that is normal.
[14:12:03] <aton`>	Duesentrieb, do equal-signs in your templates work?
[14:12:17] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: sure
[14:12:27] <Duesentrieb>	but again, it depends on what you mean by "in"
[14:12:31] <aton`>	yes unnamed
[14:12:35] <aton`>	how can i make it work in unnamed parameters?
[14:12:37] <aton`>	or should i just name the parameter
[14:12:41] <aton`>	when using the template
[14:12:46] <aton`>	"in" a string thats given to the template
[14:12:55] <Duesentrieb>	for the first unnamed parameter, use 1=blabla=foobar
[14:13:00] <aton`>	i have a template, for example {{Green| blblabla}} it prints the text in green
[14:13:01] <Duesentrieb>	if blabla=fubar is what you want
[14:13:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) interwiki shortcuts on search is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[14:13:12] <Duesentrieb>	otherwise, it will take blabla as the name of a param
[14:13:18] <White_Cat>	MinuteElectron there
[14:13:43] <aton`>	Duesentrieb, i dont understand
[14:14:01] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[14:14:07] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: well, if you use {{Green| bla=blubb}}, what are you telling mediawiki?
[14:14:22] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: you are telling it to use a named parameter bla with the value blubb.
[14:14:28] <aton`>	yes :(
[14:14:32] <aton`>	i understand the problem
[14:14:39] <aton`>	but how can i use = in my text then?
[14:14:51] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: so, if you want an unnamed parameter with the value bla=blubb, you need to use itÄs name. the name of the first "unnamed" paramerter is 1
[14:14:56] <Duesentrieb>	the name of the seconds is 2
[14:14:59] <Duesentrieb>	etc
[14:15:03] <MinuteElectron>	Does anyone know how I can access the template incluision\substituion code from ane extension? I want to be able to have the <noinclude> <onlyinclude> and <includeonly> tags parsed?
[14:15:17] <aton`>	aah
[14:15:18] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: so, {{Green| 1=bla=blubb}} will do waht you want
[14:15:23] <aton`>	thanks!
[14:15:27] <aton`>	now i understand
[14:16:02] <Duesentrieb>	aton`: there are alternatves... for example, on the egnlsih wikipedia, you would use {{Green| bla{{=}}blubb}}
[14:16:07] <Duesentrieb>	look at Template:=
[14:16:32] <Duesentrieb>	it expands to &#61;
[14:16:40] <Duesentrieb>	tha'll work too
[14:19:27] <aton`>	ah okay
[14:46:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Activating "patrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13035 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wim_c_b)
[14:52:15] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Activating "Makepatrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12939  +comment (10vasilvv)
[14:52:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activating "patrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13035  (10vasilvv)
[15:11:04] <Noot>	hi all
[15:11:13] <Noot>	someone speak italian?
[15:13:10] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30992 10/trunk/phase3/ (171 files in 2 dirs): 
[15:13:10] <CIA-6>	* removed 'missingimage' (was removed from code in r8412)
[15:13:10] <CIA-6>	* rebuilt all messages files, removed obsolete/unknown messages
[15:25:42] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blocked users can still use oversight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13036 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Oversight; (artificial)
[15:32:59] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r30993 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: Indentation, and including files only once to avoid memory problems. If it breaks Translate extension, I think it is possible to change require_once => require.
[15:40:03] <CIA-6>	03minuteelectron * r30994 10/trunk/extensions/MultiBoilerplate/MultiBoilerplate.php: MultiBoilerplate now handles <noinclude> and <includeonly> tags.
[15:45:02] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r30995 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: require_once => require, to fix the Translate extension problem.
[15:45:29] <siebrand>	rotem isn't here, is he?
[16:03:06] <CIA-6>	03rotem * r30996 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/writeMessagesArray.inc: Using static variables to solve the problem.
[16:04:43] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30997 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (18 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-16 16:34 CET)
[16:07:25] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30998 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesMs.php: Re-add line that went missing when merging
[16:12:58] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r30999 10/trunk/extensions/ (35 files in 35 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-16 16:34 CET)
[16:54:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activating "patrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13035  (10grandepuffoo)
[16:58:21] <carsondaly>	 :) 
[17:01:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activating "patrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13035  normal->high;  +shell (10grandepuffoo)
[17:16:39] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31000 10/trunk/extensions/PageBy/ (PageBy.i18n.php PageBy.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[17:24:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Allmessages&uselang= discoveries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13037 trivial; lowest; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[17:32:02] <Skizzerz>	anyone know what rc_type in the recentchanges table is for?
[17:35:38] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31001 10/trunk/extensions/PageBy/PageBy.i18n.php: correcting bug message
[17:48:10] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31002 10/trunk/extensions/PurgeCache/ (PurgeCache.i18n.php PurgeCache.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[17:56:12] <Sasoriza>	I'm doing a template with parameters for seven years.  I'm trying to get two rows, four years on top, three on bottom, using parser functions to rotate years depending on the main {{{year}}} specified, like so: {{#ifeq:{{#expr:({{#if:{{{year|}}}|1|0}}) >= 1|1|0}}|1|...  Basically adding or subtracting from {{{year}}}.  How do I get them to array as links?  Is this the right approach or should I be using #switch?
[17:57:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activating "patrol" on Italian Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13035  (10huji.huji)
[17:58:51] <Sasoriza>	Trying to get my brain in gear, here... need a little bounceback
[17:58:58] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31003 10/trunk/extensions/Purge/ (Purge.i18n.php Purge.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[18:14:22] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31004 10/trunk/extensions/RandomInCategory/ (SpecialRandomincategory.i18n.php SpecialRandomincategory.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[18:37:08] <kiba>	hey guys
[18:37:24] <kiba>	I have this problem: http://libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
[18:40:26] <Duesentrieb>	kiba: your database has been corrupted, mostly likely bya server crash. consult your mysql reference or contact your local sysadmin.
[18:41:04] <kiba>	ok
[18:59:08] <Sasoriza>	thanks for the help... not
[19:11:03] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31005 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[19:14:20] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31006 10/trunk/extensions/RandomInCategory/SpecialRandomincategory.i18n.php: Add link in description message
[19:18:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Top edge of image clobbers text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13038 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (dgriffi)
[19:23:47] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31007 10/trunk/extensions/Resign/ (SpecialResign.i18n.php SpecialResign.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[19:32:56] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31008 10/trunk/extensions/Review/ (Review.i18n.php Review.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[19:41:27] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r31009 10/trunk/extensions/PageBy/PageBy.i18n.php: Remove period in descriptionmsg
[19:43:06] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31010 10/trunk/extensions/Seealso/ (Seealso.i18n.php Seealso.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[19:45:50] <CIA-6>	03siebrand * r31011 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlock.i18n.php: Remove period in descriptionmsg
[19:45:59] <trandism>	hey guys :) I have a lot of edits on my wiki done by anonymous users, so I have only their IPs availables.. I have made them accounts at some point... Is there an easy way to merge wiki edits from say IP 10.0.0.1 to user1?
[19:53:41] <kiba>	n/leave
[20:07:50] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31012 10/trunk/extensions/ScanSet/ (ScanSet.i18n.php ScanSet.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:11:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Out of memory in diff - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9410  +comment (10thogol)
[20:13:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) interwiki shortcuts on search is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034  (10raimond.spekking)
[20:15:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) interwiki shortcuts on search is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034  (10danny_b)
[20:16:29] <zsh>	Hi. I'm trying to integrate fckeditor into the latest svn copy of mediawiki, I keep getting this error when i try to edit a page. "Class name must be a valid object or a string in /var/www/mediawiki/includes/Parser.php on line 512". I can't make head or tails of that line...
[20:20:05] <ialex>	zsh: did you modified $wgParserConf ?
[20:20:29] <zsh>	ialex, no
[20:21:46] <ialex>	zsh: it is wich extension ?
[20:22:01] <zsh>	fckeditor
[20:22:06] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31013 10/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/ (SelectCategory.i18n.php SelectCategory.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:24:12] <Dantman>	Wasn't FCKeditor broken with the new parser?
[20:25:12] <zsh>	Dantman, was it? :(
[20:25:14] <ialex>	seems to be :)
[20:25:32] <Dantman>	The new parser isn't exactly ready anyways
[20:25:42] <Dantman>	Try switching to the old one
[20:27:13] <zsh>	ialex, Dantman, Ok.
[20:27:54] <zsh>	are any of the other wysiwyg editors known to work with svn mediawiki?
[20:28:53] <zsh>	the project I'm working on is built on the latest mediawiki code so I cant use older versions
[20:29:43] <Dantman>	FCKeditor is still the best
[20:47:42] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31014 10/trunk/extensions/SpamBlacklist/ (SpamBlacklist.i18n.php SpamBlacklist.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[21:05:43] <AtharHameed>	I want to set the title for a new article to be the md5 hash of the contents of that article. How can I do this?
[21:06:40] <AtharHameed>	I want this to happen when users click the save page button
[21:34:55] <Mufka>	I'm setting up a new wiki and I've read [[Manual:Short URL]] but I'd like an expert opinion on what is the best method to use without root access.  Thanks.
[21:37:22] <Duesentrieb>	Mufka: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access>
[21:38:08] <Mufka>	Thanks, does that include changing the w to wiki?
[21:38:25] <Duesentrieb>	err?
[21:38:44] <Mufka>	installation recommends installing into a "w" directory.
[21:38:51] <Duesentrieb>	yes. please read the instructions carefully. you need both: a /w/ path and a /wiki/ path.
[21:39:05] <Mufka>	I'll give it a shot.  Thanks.
[21:39:44] <Duesentrieb>	Mufka: most people how have problems with rewrite rules have the problems because they don't keep those pathes separate., or they confuse them. so beware.
[21:40:06] <Mufka>	Is it all in the link you sent?
[21:40:47] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[21:41:38] <Mufka>	thanks
[21:42:57] <MichaleR>	the /w/ and /wiki/ path settings might be clearer in the documentation if they were called something like /physical/ and /webview/ 
[21:44:17] <Duesentrieb>	MichaleR: true, but people would use those names literally on their sites. kind of sucks to have that in your url, no?
[21:45:14] <MichaleR>	it would, but warp my example to /harddrive/ and /wiki/ and it wouldn't suck too bad
[21:46:06] <YazzY>	hi there
[21:47:32] <YazzY>	how can i change the username of the email sender? It sends emails to new users as the user my httpd runs as
[21:47:33] <MichaleR>	hi to you too
[21:48:06] <flo__>	hi, i am beginning an extension to use article content from filesystem, 
[21:48:11] <flo__>	so i use ArticleFromTitle hook
[21:48:34] <flo__>	how to load the content ?
[21:49:58] <flo__>	i mean i create: $article = new Article($title);
[21:50:32] <flo__>	what attribute/method of $article is the content?
[21:50:57] <MinuteElectron>	YazzY: $wgPasswordSender
[21:51:29] <YazzY>	MinuteElectron: thanks
[21:51:34] <MinuteElectron>	yw
[21:51:40] <MinuteElectron>	bye
[21:52:32] <YazzY>	one more thing, how can i change the behaviour of wiki ; new users are automatically loged in when they create new accounts
[21:52:48] <YazzY>	i want them to confirm the account first before they can login
[21:53:55] <MichaleR>	Can $wgPasswordSender be set to soemthing like "Pretty Name <bofh@example.com>" ?
[21:54:36] <YazzY>	MinuteElectron: $wgPasswordSender is actually set to a different email address but it was still sent as www user
[21:58:51] <YazzY>	ah, no wait, it was sent from from=<www@xxyyzz.org> but with From set to different account defined in passwordsernder
[22:05:37] <flo__>	did anyone understand what i need pls?
[22:07:26] <Platonides>	YazzY, set the permission for emailconfirmed accounts
[22:07:30] <Platonides>	instead of users
[22:07:36] <Platonides>	so they can login but they can't edit
[22:07:44] <tPassive>	hi everybody.. i have a setup which contains different language pages in the same wiki.. now is it possible to add ?uselang=... as an URL parameter from within a template or page?
[22:08:34] <CIA-6>	03grondin * r31015 10/trunk/extensions/regexBlock/regexBlock.i18n.php: fix message bug name
[22:10:45] <YazzY>	Platonides: how can this be set to be default for each new article? 
[22:11:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) book construct binding group of small pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382  +comment (10registered)
[22:49:33] <Mufka>	is there a quick adjustment that allows placing scripts outside the user space?
[22:50:29] <Platonides>	you have mediawiki:monobook.js
[22:51:00] <Mufka>	so i have to put them under mediawiki?
[22:51:16] <Mufka>	I wanted to put them under Tools
[22:51:40] <Platonides>	well, you could put a pointer to load from anywhere
[22:51:46] <Platonides>	but it should be fully protected
[22:51:54] <Mufka>	where is that done?
[22:52:11] <Mufka>	a redirect?
[22:52:29] <Platonides>	go to mediawiki:common.js and write there document.write('<script src="http://..."></script>');
[22:52:49] <flo__>	i still cant figure out how to replace fetching content 
[22:52:57] <Platonides>	but if the script you include is editable by untrusted or clueelss people
[22:53:02] <Mufka>	somehow that seems like an evil thing to do
[22:53:03] <Platonides>	you're getting vulnerable
[22:53:15] <Mufka>	I'll stick with mediawiki
[22:53:18] <Mufka>	thanks
[22:53:24] <Platonides>	you could also hardcode it at the skin..
[22:53:33] <flo__>	is it correct there is no hook for that? I subclass Article and over write fetchContent ?
[22:57:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Blocked users can still use oversight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13036  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[23:20:58] <mayeco>	I need a person that talk spanish that want to help to a software libre project...
[23:21:14] <mayeco>	http://www.sl-centroamerica.org/ << how to change the left menu?
[23:28:08] <Mufka>	is there an updated procedure somewhere to get User:Lupin/popups.js to work externally?
[23:30:24] <wikibugs>	  - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=  (10gangleri)
[23:38:08] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar | mayeco
[23:38:08] --mwbot--	mayeco: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[23:40:35] <AaronSchulz>	flyingparchment: hmm, 'modern' has an interesting 'printable version' display
[23:41:30] <flyingparchment>	the printable css works fine, why isn't the printable version link using it?
[23:44:01] *AaronSchulz 	considers also moving up the reviewed version bar for flaggedrevs
[23:49:58] <Simetrical>	Random832, I no longer really agree with my statement at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156#c13 .  :)
[23:50:20] <Simetrical>	That was made a couple months before I became a dev, actually.
[23:51:09] <mayeco>	thank you Duesentrieb!