[00:00:39] Is there a simple way to test if a monobook.js is working? [00:01:13] Duesentrieb: any idea why a revert on http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition&action=history would make the Gadgets tab disapper in [[Special:Preferences]]? The version reverted to was correct. [00:01:35] 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:01:56] Mufka, add alert( "Hello" ); to it? [00:02:08] siebrand: does a null-edit fix it? if yes, it's a caching problem of some kind [00:02:13] yes [00:02:36] try if it happens for all reverts (and undos?) [00:02:40] if yes, file a bug report [00:02:43] Duesentrieb: i've seen more fishy revert beaviour recently, one case was reported in wikitech-l [00:03:03] generally, or wrt Gadgets? [00:03:19] Simetrical: Then what? [00:03:26] Duesentrieb: my suspicion is is generally. Lemme look up that thread. [00:03:48] Mufka, if you see a box popping up that says "Hello", it works. Otherwise, either it doesn't work or you entered it wrong somehow. [00:04:04] Duesentrieb: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-February/036209.html [00:04:13] Mufka, you can use tools like Firebug to examine stuff like loaded files. [00:04:15] Simetrical: Just a popup box. When I log in? [00:04:20] Duesentrieb: more specifically my reply: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-February/036210.html [00:04:21] Eh? [00:04:28] Mufka, do you have a link to your wiki? [00:04:51] Duesentrieb: my guess is that there is no issue with undo. [00:04:59] Duesentrieb: because that's a proper save. [00:05:06] Duesentrieb: revert may be taking a shortcut. [00:05:08] i get lots of [17-Feb-2008 00:01:16] PHP Notice: Undefined index: HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING in /xxxx/mediawiki/includes/OutputHandler.php on line 64 - i know its only a warning, but it spams my logfiles (and i like to keep php warnings on) [00:05:55] Simetrical: ah - just checking - it was brought up recently on en wiki [00:05:58] s/warning/notice/ [00:06:20] siebrand: yes... my guess is that it doesn't trigger all hooks that are normally triggered by a page save. [00:06:24] that would explain it. [00:06:32] *siebrand nods at Duesentrieb. [00:06:41] Duesentrieb: I'd consider that a bug. Would you? [00:06:47] yes, it's a bug [00:06:47] It should trigger the ones for a page save. Not necessarily for a page edit. [00:06:57] or at least, an inconsistency that causes a lot of pain [00:07:04] *siebrand nods. [00:07:19] Simetrical: true. maybe. though i'm not sure the distzinction makes sense [00:07:20] ok. Should I bugzilla it, or will this do? [00:07:29] it *could* be that Gadgets is using the "wrong" hook [00:07:44] siebrand: please bugzilla, i don't have time to work on it right now [00:07:46] what bug are you talking about/ [00:08:06] siebrand: depending on which hooks are speced how, this is either a bug in the revert code, or in gadgets. [00:08:34] Duesentrieb: looking at the report in the mails I just linked, it's deeper than the extension... [00:08:46] oh. i see that php notice is fixed on svn. ok [00:08:52] may or may not be the same thing [00:09:28] and maybe it's the same thing, but it's just that a lot of people are confusede about article save vs. page edit. if there is/should be such a distinction. [00:09:30] Duesentrieb: yep. I'll throw them on onepile for now until I'm slapped on the wrist ;) [00:09:36] !userscript [00:09:36] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "userscript". [00:09:54] !javascript [00:09:54] --mwbot-- To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage. [00:10:05] :) [00:10:58] is mediawiki 1.12.0 due out soon ? (feels like its coming...) [00:11:07] Buzz_, I think the answer is yes. [00:11:15] Brion has it on his to-do list somewhere. [00:11:25] excellent.. lots of changes i see this time.. [00:11:25] i think hte answer is Really WSoon Now (tm) [00:11:29] so, maybe never [00:11:31] :) [00:11:45] Buzz_: buzz is that it will be branched this week. [00:11:48] *Simetrical kills his college's computer services people for being too stupid to set up a DNS A entry for their top-level domain name [00:11:48] infact this is a HUGE update looking at the massive changelog [00:11:52] it was supposed to be last Wednesday... don't know what happened, exactly [00:12:04] s/kills/kicks/, although the other sentiment is reasonable too. [00:12:18] Buzz_, because it's been something like six months instead of the usual three, IIRC. [00:12:25] siebrand: im excited now :) [00:12:52] Buzz_: from http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-February/036405.html: * Finish 1.12 release and API security bumps [00:13:30] im looking forward to editing via the api.php [00:13:37] will come soon i hope. [00:13:39] That wasn't enabled in 1.11? [00:13:44] Oh, wait, it doesn't exist yet at all. [00:13:46] Right, editing. [00:13:48] yeh [00:14:03] less screenscraping then. [00:14:31] but its proposed, so i hope it will come. [00:14:32] 03(NEW) reverts mess things up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13039 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (siebrand) [00:14:36] Simetrical / Duesentrieb: bugzilla created. I'm zzz... [00:15:17] Buzz_: editing through API will not be available yet in 1.12, IIRC> [00:15:34] siebrand: yup. but maybe for xmas 2008 ;-) [00:16:10] Buzz_: maybe after the file store rework and implementing SUL. Just after Wikimania... (I didn't say which year) [00:16:25] sul ? [00:16:37] single user login [00:16:48] ah [00:17:30] one login for all projects ? [00:18:13] yeah [00:18:19] nice idea [00:18:35] And so far, not much more. ;) [00:18:44] like most of mine then. [00:21:22] well. i look forward to the mediawiki 1.12 announcement.. thanks and goodnight :) [00:44:47] is there a special procedure for installing the Bot Query extension? [00:45:26] The bot query extension is more or less obsolete. You should probably use api.php, which is installed by default. [00:46:03] popups seems to require it. [00:48:04] Ah. [00:48:21] I'm not sure if it's an extension or in core. [00:48:24] !query.php [00:48:24] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "query.php". [00:48:28] !query [00:48:28] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "query". You might try: !passwordsql !support [00:48:41] I know where dto download it, [00:48:53] just not how to get it to work. [00:49:02] query.php is deprecated [00:49:03] There should be instructions, shouldn' there? [00:49:14] if popup requires it, it should be changed [00:49:20] !query is query.php: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query Note that query.php is deprecated. If possible, use api.php instead. [00:49:20] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: query [01:01:58] !query.php alias query [01:01:58] --mwbot-- Successfully added alias: query.php [01:29:46] brb [01:59:39] Simetrical: you changed http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ExtensionFunctions.php?r1=19125&r2=23533 last year. Was this an accurate change? It just took off the ?> [02:00:08] Mufka, yes. [02:00:13] See the previous commit's message. [02:00:19] Mufka: yes, the ?> is superfluous in most cases and it's better to not have it on [02:00:39] So you never need a ?> in php? [02:00:40] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=23531 [02:00:43] No. [02:00:49] not if it's straight PHP [02:00:49] ok. news to me. [02:01:01] thganks [02:01:06] I should have given a more descriptive commit message for that one, given that it's the top revision on like 50% of extensions files. :) [02:01:09] Oh well. [02:01:47] if it's PHP embedded into other HTML (such as the skin PHP files), then ?> are necessary to tell PHP where not to process [02:02:06] got it. [02:05:19] 03(mod) Remove ?title=*** parameter from RC entries url - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11152 (10gangleri) [02:27:15] 03(mod) Add section edit link for 0th section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156 (10bugs) [03:39:33] how do i get mediawikki/lighttpd to rewrite my mediawiki urls into something nicer ? [03:39:48] !shorturl [03:39:48] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [03:44:33] Simetrical: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/MovieBiol.htm [03:44:43] 'First of all, why would an alien consider a human sexy, or vice versa? Would you regard a manatee or an elk as sexy? That's a rhetorical question and most definitely does not require an answer. If you answer "yes" there are Web sites for that sort of thing. Please do not send me the URL.' [03:44:49] that gave me a good laugh ;) [03:46:00] "How did these things evolve? Half a wing will enhance gliding ability. Half an eye will detect light. What evolutionary benefit is there to launching offspring at half of escape velocity?" [03:46:04] That's a dangerous line of reasoning. [03:46:06] Argument from ignorance. [03:47:00] Assuming a low-gravity planet, it would be fairly easy to get into space. You just need some marginal reason (escape predators? better view? faster travel due to lower friction?). [03:48:31] "A preference for human beings as food, like the Morlocks in The Time Machine" Morlocks are intelligent, though. You could cite cultural reasons. [03:50:25] "Among mammals, offspring with unlike sex chromosomes are males. Among birds, they are females." Hey, I learned something new. [03:50:57] *Simetrical goes back to writing an LVM-based MySQL backup script in Pytohn [03:50:59] Python [03:51:32] *Simetrical realizes he should be Googling to see if anyone else has published scripts before spending a few hours writing his own [03:51:48] that is the first thing engineers do [03:52:04] Which one, Google or NIH? [03:52:16] see if someone else has done it already [03:52:27] 03(NEW) Gender switch in user preferences - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (Eugene.Zelenko) [03:52:44] 03(mod) Add namespace aliases to MessagesRu - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12924 (10Eugene.Zelenko) [03:53:31] http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/AtMovieDayAfterTom.htm [03:53:38] Simetrical: that movie was fun ;) [04:02:57] *Simetrical looks at mylvmbackup [04:05:47] *AaronSchulz looks at a funny picture of John Searle [04:10:43] *Simetrical looks at a funny picture of AaronSchulz [05:21:08] 03(NEW) ParserFunctions function getExprParser does not return a pre-existing handle to the Expr parser if it exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13041 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (rtdean) [05:53:22] <|Valo|> anyone here used webmin before ? [05:53:46] just ask your question [05:53:55] 03(mod) $wgUploadNavigationUrl on enwiki fails with https://secure. wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Special:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10843 (10N/A) [05:54:06] <|Valo|> cant find where in webmin/virtualmin to add a sql db [05:57:09] <|Valo|> anyone? [05:59:42] you dont have to use webadmin [06:00:00] you should be able to do it via HTTP [06:00:08] mediawiki comes w/ a form to set up quickly [06:04:37] How does one add "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page:"? [06:16:16] how do I install a Parser function hook? [06:17:28] 03(mod) Identifier needed for MediaWiki generated pages in page source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11988 (10oq9pscb02) [06:18:08] 03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20=C2=AB=20E=2Dmail=20me=20when=20my?= =?UTF-8?Q?=20user=20talk=20page=20is=20ch?= =?UTF-8?Q?anged=20=C2=BB=20feature=20at=20E?==?UTF-8?Q?nglish=20Wikinews?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13042 (10N/A) [06:18:09] 03(mod) set up a procedure about activating the " ENotif on changes at own talk pages" feature at WikiMedia foundation wiki' s in [[Special:Preferences]] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3976 (10gangleri) [06:18:15] !parserfunctions [06:18:15] --mwbot-- "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [06:23:27] Charitwo: Thank you. It worked. [06:23:33] no problem [06:26:02] Hi http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?oldid=510473#Enable_email_for_user_talk_page_changes is showing the *newest* revision ??? very strange ?? what happened here ?? [06:27:01] because that is the latest revision [06:27:14] 510473 that is [06:30:07] Charitwo; this is impossible [06:30:51] how did user:bawolff did know the bug ID; how did I know the revision he would post later ? [06:31:11] Charitwo; this is like travelling in time; do you get the point ? [06:31:11] it doesn't matter that it says oldid, if the value for oldid is equivalent to the newest revisions id, it will display the same [06:31:53] I fehtched the ID befor bawolffs posting [06:35:48] must be a coincidence [06:37:22] Look at the date though, clicking the older and newer revision buttons is weird... there seem to be 2 different revisions that have the same revision id :/ [06:39:29] no wait... [06:40:33] there has got to be a deleted revision in there or something... [06:42:38] ask a local sysop then to check undelete then [06:43:44] 03(mod) ParserFunctions function getExprParser does not return a pre-existing handle to the Expr parser if it exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13041 15enhancement->normal (10rtdean) [06:45:10] 03(NEW) ?oldid=foo#bar neglects oldid - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13043 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; () [06:45:28] Charitwo; https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13043 ?oldid=foo#bar neglects oldid [06:46:53] not sure [06:47:22] no it doesn't. [06:47:26] http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?oldid=20#Enable_email_for_user_talk_page_changes [06:47:36] pulls up a different document [06:47:53] I used only valid id's from that page; I did not mention that [06:48:10] maybe I should add this [06:50:11] 03(mod) ?oldid=foo#bar neglects oldid - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13043 (10gangleri) [06:51:35] it's not the presence of #, referencing articles by oldid seem to be pulling up only the most recent revision [06:52:37] at least on that page... [06:55:33] oh wait a minute... [06:55:53] it's a transclusion [06:57:28] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals [06:59:46] 14(WFM) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13042 +comment (10bawolff+wn) [07:10:47] 14(INVALID) ?oldid=foo#bar neglects oldid - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13043 +comment (10gangleri) [07:11:26] - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id= -shell (10gangleri) [07:11:46] <|Valo|> Monobi may i pm you regarding the wiki im trying to install ? [07:11:58] no, I'm about to leave [07:11:59] sorry [07:12:15] <|Valo|> ok, thanks anyway :) [07:12:18] :) [07:24:17] 03(mod) Explain the wiki syntax in detailed EBNF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7 +comment (10tstarling) [07:24:52] <|Valo|> anyone here who can help me install a wiki ? [07:25:03] |Valo|: just ask [07:26:01] <|Valo|> Monobi said i can create the sql db when im doing the install (instead of screwing around in webmin) but it doesnt seem to work :/ [07:26:07] <|Valo|> and im not sure wtf is goin on [07:27:15] what version? I believe the config script should create the database [07:27:51] <|Valo|> 1.6.10 as ive only got php5.0 :/ for the time being until my host contacts me about upgrade [07:28:13] <|Valo|> but i think ill use 1.6.10 on one and 1.11.1 on another server [07:28:19] and the config script didn't create the db? [07:28:34] <|Valo|> no :S [07:28:40] If you have a mySQL user with the appropriate rights (i.e. root), then the setup script can make the database, otherwise you'll have to make it manually [07:29:16] by "make the database" i mean "CREATE DATABASE blah;" [07:29:50] either way it'll create tables (so long as your wikiuser has appropriate rights granted on the database) [07:30:12] <|Valo|> ive got all appropiate access [07:40:52] one thing ive always wondered about the mediawiki installer is if you use the mysql/root user to install mediawiki, dont the software generate a new username and use that rather than root? [07:41:33] Ive always seen it as a bit of a dangerous option. as whats stopping it from overwriting an existing database. [07:41:39] yes, that's why you have fields for a root user and for specifying details of a mediawiki user. [07:42:01] oh, i thought they were obsolete if you were using the root user. [09:16:26] 03(FIXED) Create the "=?UTF-8?Q?=CE=A3=CF=87=CE=BF=CE=BB=CE=AE?=:" and " =?UTF-8?Q?=CE=A4=CE=BC=CE=AE=CE=BC=CE=B1?=:" namespaces for el.wv - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13007 +comment (10jeluf) [09:22:03] 03(mod) Request for Page namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877 (10jeluf) [09:23:42] 03(mod) Add username in new messages bar to prevent UI spoofing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693 (10jeluf) [09:31:35] 03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 (10heuler06) [09:34:08] 03(mod) Provide "mark these n changes as patrolled" button - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8697 (10michael.frey) [09:50:40] Hi [09:50:50] I use apache alias [09:50:54] ok mediawiki [09:51:13] Bit I got a problem when clicking links on the header section such as lgin [09:51:34] It says index.php missing [09:51:49] But when going to home page links work properly shortenned [09:51:53] Can anyone help me? [10:16:31] so youve set up several FQDN's to a single wiki [10:16:52] the main page loads but none of the others [10:17:59] Hi [10:18:06] I don't get you [10:18:11] Other pages load [10:18:27] But it seems that the login page is redirected wrong [10:18:37] Are you there jimpy? [10:19:51] yes, is it only the login page that fails? [10:20:09] or do any of the other Special: pages fail [10:21:11] Only that [10:21:21] ColoneBlue theme [10:21:30] The top left login link [10:21:40] what is the URL your trying to access can i access it? [10:21:47] I used the instrauctions on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL [10:22:11] Alias /wiki /var/www/w/index.php [10:22:58] can you pastebin the apache config for the site? [10:23:00] For me it was Alias /fh c:/xm/htdocs/fh/index.php [10:23:19] This is what I used [10:23:38] and then in the localsetting.php the following [10:23:56] $wgArticlePath = '/fg/$1'; $wgUsePathInfo = true; [10:24:10] $wgArticlePath = '/fh/$1'; $wgUsePathInfo = true; [10:24:12] ravindranathakil: what's $wgScriptPath ? [10:24:30] Its in the localsettings.php [10:24:40] I don't know what it does exactly [10:24:50] ravindranathakil: i do. i'Äm asking you what it is set to [10:24:57] $wgScriptPath not $wgArticlePath [10:24:58] Sorry [10:25:00] both have to match [10:25:11] they match [10:25:21] Sorry for what I said before [10:25:27] np :) [10:25:38] but *how* do they match? [10:25:48] what is $wgScriptPath set to? it whould be "/w" as far as i see [10:25:52] *should [10:26:40] /fh [10:26:56] Because article path is fh [10:27:02] both are the same right? [10:27:13] All other links work [10:27:17] Hello, Is bugziall issues there? [10:27:19] ALL of them [10:27:29] ravindranathakil: no tjhe must NOT be the same [10:27:36] Oh [10:27:43] ravindranathakil: wgScriptPath MOST use the PHYSICAL path [10:27:44] What should I put? [10:27:46] i.e. /w [10:27:51] Ok [10:27:51] so, that's your problem right there [10:27:56] Anything I like? [10:28:03] huh? anything? [10:28:08] no, the actual path to index.php [10:28:17] web path, that is [10:28:17] Ok [10:28:28] that is /fh [10:28:32] huh? [10:28:45] Alias /wiki /var/www/w/index.php [10:28:47] Then I use an article as /example [10:28:52] ^--- that indicates otherwise [10:29:06] You mean [10:29:09] the w there [10:29:15] is the folder name [10:29:20] Which is the actual path? [10:29:24] yes... [10:29:27] Ok [10:29:39] /w/index.php should get you to your wiki too. [10:29:42] What should the arcile path be? [10:29:48] which is the physical script path, aka the primary entry point [10:29:57] it's used for all POST operations, and a few more things [10:30:00] Thanks didn't know that [10:30:04] Ok [10:30:17] what should I use for the article path? [10:30:21] the article path is the "pretty" stuff. if you set up aliases or rewrites, you set your article path to use that [10:30:28] in your case, /fh/$1 [10:30:40] Is bugziall issues there? :) [10:30:46] Ok [10:30:52] Give me a sec to check [10:31:32] check if all links use the /fh/ path, and that login and edit work (editing should use the /w/index.php path) [10:32:14] Ok [10:32:34] Actually the top left link for login used something like [10:33:06] returnto=index.php [10:33:14] Let me check and see [10:33:20] I just restarted apache [10:33:46] no need for that unless you change httpd.conf [10:33:58] .htaccess is read for every request, and LocalSettings.php too [10:34:28] I change the httpd.conf [10:39:39] 03(mod) Request for Page namespace - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12877 (10smihael) [10:42:00] 03(mod) Gender switch in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040 (10vasilvv) [10:49:46] <_wooz> lo [10:51:40] Duesentrieb? are you there? Thank you so much for helping me. May I know your full name please? [10:52:04] I need to put in on my Tribute Page for special thanks:) [10:52:23] ravindranathakil: why, do i get top be in the hall of fame now? :) anyway, /whois will give you my full name. [10:52:41] Because it's rarely people are ready to help [10:53:16] it's pretty good in this channel, actually. better than in many. [10:53:27] it's the wiki spirit, i guess :) [10:53:31] Hey id doen'st [10:53:42] It doesn't show your full name [10:53:49] Yes indeed [10:54:01] I love freeware opensource people. [10:54:16] Come on, please mention your name:) [10:54:17] oh... heh, i switched irc clients. forgot to set it i guess :) [10:54:31] my name is Daniel Kinzler. link to brightbyte.de [10:54:47] Sure Daniel [10:54:49] Thanks alot [10:59:12] fixed [11:00:36] Nice site [11:00:54] Duesentrieb [11:00:58] Its neat [11:01:02] Gotto go now [11:01:05] it's mediawiki :P [11:01:09] yea, me too [11:01:11] cu [11:01:22] Cu when I cu:) [11:08:47] 03siebrand * r31016 10/trunk/extensions/Seealso/Seealso.i18n.php: Remove period in descriptionmsg [11:22:17] *Werdna waves [11:55:16] 03(mod) Explain the wiki syntax in detailed EBNF - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7 (10tstarling) [12:12:48] people, please do me a favor [12:13:03] add a line to the bottom of every wiki page by default, saying [12:13:46] "Like this page? You may feel free to redistribute it on your blog, etc. under the GFDL license." [12:14:02] this is enormously valuable to the chinese wikipedia [12:14:27] which would encourage chinese readers to copy/paste wikipedia content to their blogs [12:14:47] spreading the content of awareness of wikipedia in china [12:15:07] it's a question of liberation or not! [12:15:37] yao_ziyuan: change it yourself, Mediawiki:Copyright [12:16:21] i am neither a developer of mediawiki or an admin of the zh.wikipedia.org [12:16:30] what change could i make [12:17:08] you mean http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Copyright ? [12:17:22] seems it can't be modified by my account [12:17:24] uh huh [12:17:28] i'm a normal user [12:17:28] also note this isn't #wikipedia [12:18:45] i think the current statement is already somewhat persuasive for a reader to redistribute a page [12:19:54] you could just remote mirror the whole site [12:20:12] that'd be a bit more effective for reaching people in china than a blog post [12:20:28] remote load, in fact [12:22:10] but make sure you remote load secure.wikimedia.org, not the unencrypted site, otherwise they'll detect you by data sampling [12:50:19] 03(NEW) encurage copying more clearly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13044 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (daniel) [12:57:08] okay, so... we have a wiki and we want people to be able to edit it, but have it show that it hasn't been 'blessed' by a moderator. is there an extension for this? [12:59:32] tjohnson: this idea goes by "stable versions" or more generally "flagged revisions". it has been talked about for years, and there hase been some code written, and a working demo exists somewhere i think-. [12:59:39] but it's not up for production. the topic is quite complex [13:00:18] use those terms to search discussions on mediawiki / wikipedia / wikimedia archives [13:00:24] tjohnson: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs [13:00:33] thank you guys. [13:01:00] ah! can someone help me with a very basic understanding [13:01:14] it seems that there are three tables; page, text, and revision [13:01:16] we have a pretty small wiki.... so this might work even if it's not perfect [13:01:28] i am trying to understand how to use mysql and grab a page text [13:01:37] the page table has page_id [13:01:48] how do I use that to get the text? [13:02:07] 03tbleher * r31017 10/trunk/extensions/ImportFreeImages/ (ImportFreeImages.i18n.php ImportFreeImages.php): (log message trimmed) [13:02:07] Security audit and rework of the ImportFreeImages extension: [13:02:07] Security fixes: [13:02:07] * Properly escape all user and Flickr API inputs, to prevent XSS attacks [13:02:07] * Insert an edit token to prevent Cross Site Request Forgeries [13:02:09] * Safer temp file handling [13:02:13] * Moved url check to the right place and made it more strict (previous version [13:02:16] do I FIRST have to look up the page id on REVISION, and get some key to then look it up on TEXT? [13:03:27] Ricco: page_latest -> rev_id; rev_old_id -> text_id; [13:04:00] Duesentrieb, bear with me, I am working outside media wiki software [13:04:01] Ricco: you camn of yourse do it all in one go, with a JOIN on those tables. [13:04:07] astro76: Duesentrieb is there a list of stuff messed up with the flaggedrevs extensions? [13:04:12] Duesentrieb, just trying to understand the tables [13:04:13] Ricco: yes. that's plain SQL stuff [13:04:20] tjohnson: i have no idea [13:04:42] Duesentrieb, your giving it to me in nomenclature I do not understand [13:04:47] Duesentrieb, more basic [13:05:02] i get a page_id from the page table [13:05:10] what table to do I go to next? [13:05:13] Ricco: there's no nomenclature. that's just field names. where page_latest is a field in the page table, etc. [13:05:18] Ricco: start here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_table [13:05:38] is the text table where the actual page text is? [13:06:20] oh, and i messed up. it's rev_text_id -> old_id, where old_id is in the text table (only break from the convention on field name prefixes., due to backward compatibility) [13:06:29] 03(NEW) Recentchanges feed doesn't show the editor's name/ IP address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13045 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (danny_b) [13:06:30] 03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds tracking bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646 (10danny_b) [13:06:36] Duesentrieb, is the text table where the actual text of the page is? [13:06:37] Ricco: yes. text is where the text is, unless you use external storage. [13:06:43] read the docs. [13:06:45] click through [13:06:58] Duesentrieb, but I see the fields old_id, old_text, and old_flag [13:07:11] yes? [13:07:12] so? [13:07:18] 03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds tracking bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646 (10danny_b) [13:07:25] Duesentrieb, is that just their nameing way, even the current page is going to be looked up on old_id? [13:07:36] yes. [13:07:39] ah! [13:07:45] ok [13:07:46] "old" is misleading. it should really be "text_id", etc. [13:07:52] it has historical reasons [13:07:56] (as must suckage does) [13:08:08] 03(NEW) request for New Namespace at Marathi language wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13046 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (mahitgar) [13:08:09] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Text_table [13:08:09] and the old_id is not the page_id, but the revision ID of that page, that I first get from the revision talbe? [13:08:17] nother [13:08:19] err, nither [13:08:27] its just "some" id of the text entry [13:08:35] it's references by the revision table+ [13:08:45] so I have to use all three tables [13:08:50] page, revision, and text [13:09:17] page for the page id, revision as the link betweeen page_id, and the currentl text id, and then the text from the text table [13:09:23]