[00:11:05] hi. is it possible to modify a source page from a mediawiki to sort each bunch delimited by the titles : == foo == ? example : http://rafb.net/p/tj4cPE61.html ( sort the page by alphabetic titles order ) [00:11:38] sputnick: only with javascript trickery [00:11:39] with sed/awk or vi [00:13:28] Duesentrieb: is there any javascript already coded or need to be coded ? [00:13:50] someone somewhere might have writte it... [00:13:57] per default, sthere is code to sort tables [00:14:00] but not sections [00:14:43] I think awk or perl can do it [00:14:43] 1. Does anyone know how to force email input during registration. 2 run email confirmation upon account creation. and 3. force users to type in scrambled letters during account creation (to avoid spammers) ? [00:15:28] !captcha | Kuba_ [00:15:28] --mwbot-- Kuba_: For more information about CAPTCHAs and MediaWiki, see . [00:15:41] And for your first two, you need to look at the emailconfirmed right [00:17:50] I set $wgEmailConfirmToEdit = true; $wgEmailAuthentication = true; but that does not do anything [00:30:02] Does anyone know how this can be used once set true? $wgEnableUserEmail = true; ? [00:30:13] says "#Set to true to enable user-to-user e-mail." [00:32:31] what mean you? [00:32:45] if a user has a confirmed email address when viewing a user page there's a link in the portlet that says "Email this user" [00:33:08] Kuba_: try doing it as in the second example here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights [00:33:19] with $wgGroupPermissions [00:33:50] cool. thanks [00:35:01] and of course the question the newbies always ask. is there a clear way to remove user accounts? [00:35:36] in general it's recommended not to delete user accounts [00:36:26] maybe this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete [00:36:41] yea i read that ... will check it out [00:36:46] thanks [00:37:21] oh and one more thing. has anyone found a REALY simple way of listing the top 5,10 pages which have been recently modified? [00:37:35] (without all the garbage of course) [00:43:53] 03(mod) Blocked users can still use oversight - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13036 +comment (10artificial) [00:49:38] $wgGroupPermissions['emailconfirmed']['edit'] = true; is still allowing new user account to not enter an email address :( [00:57:16] Kuba_: that's edit permission, guess you have to do the same for 'createaccount' permission [00:57:46] but err, not sure how that would work [00:58:42] ok [00:59:08] yes. that might be tricky. maybe i'll just modify the create account page to reflect why someone should type in their email [00:59:46] Astro76, and would you know how to display top 10 recently modified pages in a simple way on the front page? [01:00:11] just the page names in descending order by most recent being at the top [01:00:19] I vaguely remember seeing something like that... I've been looking unsuccessfully since the last time you asked ;) [01:01:44] ive seen "newest pages" but that lists newly ADDED pages [01:02:54] thank you for the effort and the help [01:03:06] I need to get some rest [01:03:19] gnite [01:21:32] hi, I just installed mediawiki and the PageRestrictions extension.. the extension however does not seem to work... the Protect page is changed so the new protection settings are there.. but I can view the page with an unregistered user even if I have set it to "block unregistered users" or "sysops only".. any tips ? [01:23:34] usually, protection applies to *editing*. does this extension allow restricting viewing of pages? [01:23:44] anyway... [01:23:46] !access [01:23:46] --mwbot-- For information on customizing user access, see . For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see . [01:23:57] !lockdown [01:23:57] --mwbot-- Lockdown is an extension for preventing read or write access by namespace and limiting access to special pages. For more information, see < http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown >. For general information on preventing access to your wiki, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [01:24:01] !secrets [01:24:01] --mwbot-- MediaWiki was not designed with read-restrictions in mind, and may not provide air-tight protection against unauthorized access. We will not be held responsible should private information, such as a password or bank details, be leaked, leading to loss of funds or one's job. [01:24:39] oh, and this: [01:24:42] !cms [01:24:42] --mwbot-- You are advised to install an appropriate content management package if you want per-page access control and similar restrictions. See if you really want too. [01:24:52] I already noted the secrets part.. but just some pages for admins.. keeping notes and stuff.. nothing majorly secret, just a bit.. ugly [01:25:32] yes, i understand. i wanted that too, that's why i wrote lockdown :) [01:25:36] it might be easier to make an entirely new namespace that's admin-only, using lockdown to restrict it [01:25:51] imho, yes... [01:35:07] Duesentrieb: lockdown not updated for 1.11 ? [01:36:23] *Simetrical is reading http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 [01:36:26] Er, watching. [01:36:43] It's such a shame git barely works on Windows. :( [01:42:00] so.... why does http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/README.txt tell me to upgrade to medawiki 1.12 when i can't find such a thing? [01:43:47] well, at least i can't find it in tags or branches. [01:49:13] tjohnson: 1.12 is the latest trunk, found at http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3 [01:50:05] It's supposedly going to be branched soon. [01:50:13] "supposedly" ;) [01:58:12] Simetrical: http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=153 [01:58:14] I love that title [01:59:14] 03aaron * r31041 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/README.txt: Do this ahead of time :) [02:04:12] Skizzerz: so after i did svn switch http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3, it still shows as 1.11.1 (r31041) [02:04:26] o.0 [02:04:38] clear your browser cache [02:04:41] That's . . . irregular. [02:04:52] It would give the revision if it were really 1.11.1, would it? [02:05:02] Certainly not r31041, which is current. [02:05:10] Kind of weird. [02:05:14] ahh, wait. [02:07:21] yeah. i did svn checkout ... && svn switch ... , then went to the special:version page and still get the same thing [02:07:50] even after clearing browser cache, and checking on another browser(whose cache i also cleared) [02:16:28] 03(NEW) Have a Special:Randombook, or similar, that only returns top-level pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13051 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (wknight8111) [02:17:57] Hey there [02:18:04] i am really confused now [02:18:33] i added my extension to the localsettings.php with an include as it says on the manual extensions page... [02:19:00] and then i used $wgExtensionFunction for the setup function [02:19:16] and now my setup functions seems to be called 5 times! [02:19:43] Asga: make sure that you are using include_once or require_once [02:19:44] Hi, I wrote two classes that extend AuthPlugin , if I want to use both of them can I just specify $wgAuth as an array with two objects that are the two authentication plugins? [02:21:10] i use [02:21:11] require_once("extensions/SemEdit/SemEdit.php"); [02:21:15] (or how else can I use both authentication plugins?) [02:21:53] and then [02:21:54] $wgExtensionFunctions[] = 'efaddAnnotateAction'; [02:24:34] because i had some strange things going on [02:25:32] so i added some code which just writes "i am the setup function" to a file... and i ended up with 5 times "i am ..." [02:29:57] anyone?!? [02:31:58] Because your code is wrong? [02:34:56] well [02:35:35] that could be it.. but i checked and this function is only called by wiki internals (over $wgExtensionFunctions ) [02:35:46] and i included it using require_once [02:35:57] so im really confused now [02:40:03] ok its not wiki internals [02:40:37] it seems to be just "call_user_func()" (called for every entry in $wgExtensionFunctions) [02:40:53] but why should it be called 5 times? [02:42:56] what's the URL for the public archives of the mailing lists? [02:49:06] http://rafb.net/p/2ECdIX24.html <- amidaniel you can check out yourself if you like [02:49:18] this is all whats there [02:50:13] and in localsettings.php is "require_once("extensions/SemEdit/SemEdit.php");" [02:51:16] (i know its a bit crappy but i think its not wrong...) [02:56:57] 03(NEW) Create new mailing list for Urdu wiki's - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13052 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (wisesabre) [02:57:36] hm [02:59:44] hi all. why #if maybe don't parsed: print like "{{#if: John Doe| John Doe }}" [03:00:01] php5+extensions are installed of course [03:17:49] hi guys, I'm contemplating setting up mediawiki on a server but I need to know a few things first [03:17:58] I only have FTP and MySQL access [03:18:00] no shell access [03:18:09] is it still possible? [03:19:17] I set one mediawiki box up but I used shell access, and I haven't really tried doing maintenance [03:23:45] a user account on a MySQL database should suffice, i think [03:30:45] hmm so which scenarios would I need exclusive shell access though? Everything breaks? =D [03:46:12] 03(mod) Create new mailing list for Urdu wiki's - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13052 +comment (10cbrown1023) [03:49:27] hi\ [03:52:21] rabar: I'm not sure if what you are doing will work properly [03:52:43] rabar: actually, I'm sure it wont [03:53:00] .... of course the person i'm talking to isn't here [03:53:08] *Ryan_Lane hangs his head in shame [04:05:43] Ryan_Lane: happens. [04:05:58] tjohnson: it unfortunately does :) [04:06:42] funny enough. i've been thinking about writing a plugin for his exact problem [04:09:41] 03(mod) Create new mailing list for Urdu wiki's - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13052 (10wisesabre) [04:09:56] a plugin that watches for people starting their lines with (signedoffuser): what's up dawg? and tells them (signed off user) isn't available? [04:10:56] heh. no. a plugin that allows you to use multiple auth plugins [04:11:20] kind of like a PAM for mediawiki [04:11:50] then I think "that is kind of overkill, and probably only a handful of people would use it" [04:11:59] ooh. can i sign up for your newsletter? haha [04:12:17] lol [04:20:42] that sounds like a job for the core [04:21:02] TimStarling: it could be [04:21:14] TimStarling: but it would definately be overkill [04:22:38] TimStarling: it could be done as an extension to AuthPlugin for the handful of people that needed it. each function could act as a wrapper, and pass the call off to whichever plugin should be used [04:24:20] Something that is probably more needed is a set of functions for auto-auth plugins, or even a default one that has a set of hooks that auto-auth plugins can use [04:24:48] pretty much every auto-auth plugin creates users in different ways [04:25:25] my plugin apparently broke at some point between 1.6 and 1.11 because of the way I was adding users [04:25:39] how much of a pain is the LDAP setup? i have started it a couple times but never quite got through it [04:25:52] tjohnson: depends on your infrastructure [04:25:59] tjohnson: and what you want the plugin to do [04:26:06] it takes a while to read about the 3,000 different options, but it's quite easy [04:26:09] (at least that's what i found) [04:26:26] i use crowdauthentication with an ldap backend though, much easier ;) [04:26:29] tjohnson: if you want to restrict by group, and do group sync, and use SSL authentication it can get difficult :) [04:26:45] yeah.... that's sorta what i expected. usually something else caught fire before i could finish it, and by the time i got back around to it, i basically needed to start again. [04:27:47] flyingparchment: crowdauthentication? [04:28:03] ryan: an authplugin for Crowd, some SUL middleware [04:28:26] it talks to ldap (or SQL, or its internal database) on the backend and provides a SOAP interface to clients... it's pretty neat [04:28:31] flyingparchment: oh, it isn't a plugin available at mediawiki.org? [04:28:44] ryan: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CrowdAuthentication [04:29:27] flyingparchment: ah cool. couldn't find it through the search [04:29:58] flyingparchment: is that similar to SAML? [04:30:06] *flyingparchment reads about SAML [04:30:15] it has about a million names [04:30:28] aka federation, aka web SSO [04:30:50] ryan: hmm.. i suppose so. but it's not a standard protocol [04:30:55] i believe shibboleth is something similar [04:31:08] ah ok [04:31:45] i'd imagine that works through proxies right? [04:31:49] it's similar to sun identity manager... i might write an authplugin for that too [04:31:57] shibboleth.... huh. i'd always seen that in my university sign-on stuff. never occured to me it was some sort of standard [04:32:03] i think sun identity manager uses SAML [04:32:10] ryan: crowd can, and its bundled java client can, but my extension can't (i didn't add the functionality, but it shouldn't be hard) [04:32:13] or is that access manager? [04:32:53] tjohnson: I /think/ that is federation, but i'm not sure [04:33:25] tjohnson: I know you can use shibboleth for SAML auth, but it may just be a compatibility thing [04:33:48] our article on saml is kind of crappy, but i suspect a saml front-end for crowd could be written.. wonder if that's on the todo list [04:33:54] flyingparchment:that particular issue is starting to come up where I work, but thankfully not on my project :) [04:35:14] PKI/SSL authentication through a reverse proxy isn't possible as far as I can tell, but things like SAML, and shibboleth can. Looks like crowd auth can too. I'm keeping my ears open for solutions :) [04:35:43] flyingparchment: SAML has a very large government push [04:36:47] right, if you wanted secure crowd through a proxy you'd need ssl, i.e. CONNECT method.. it doesn't have security built into the protocol [04:37:03] 03dale * r31042 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (13 files in 4 dirs): [04:37:03] * updates for metadata export based on http://wiki.annodex.net/wiki/MovieDescriptionLanguage [04:37:03] * enables apis for remote embedding with access to all stream metdata [04:37:11] ah [04:38:04] one of the things i like about it is it uses standard ldap schema, so other things can use the same auth db via ldap [04:38:44] flyingparchment: is it onl;y able to do authentication, or can it also pull information from the backend, such as groups and such? [04:39:31] ryan: it can retrieve group membership and information on the principle... i think there's an rfe to allow storing/retrieving arbitrary data in the backend, but it's not implemented yet [04:41:01] flyingparchment: this is from the same company that makes confluence right? [04:41:19] yes [04:42:24] ah, yeah. looking at it, it does look very much like sun identity manager [04:47:39] my smoothgallery plugin seems to be killing my server when I use a large category of images inside of it. I think it is because the plugin creates the thumbnails all at one time. Is there any way to have the images created in the background, or maybe through the job queue? [04:48:36] and when I say thumbnails, the thumbnails could be any random size... (specified by the user) [05:04:45] 03dale * r31043 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/ (MV_Index.php specials/MV_SpecialExport.php): bug in xml export of previous commit [05:16:13] 03(mod) Please add some entries to robots.txt for ja.wikipedia. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12993 (10myanwiki-misc894) [06:24:05] 03(NEW) Deleting transcluded pages doesn' t remove transcluding pages from categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13053 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (falkeli) [06:27:04] I thought that was how it always worked... category updates happen on save, not on render.... [06:30:17] it's done with the job queue [06:30:34] well, it is when you change a template anyway [06:30:38] maybe not when you delete one [06:34:10] 14(DUP) Deleting transcluded pages doesn' t remove transcluding pages from categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13053 +comment (10achuggard) [06:34:11] 03(mod) Category listings are not updated when deletion of or edits to a template change the category membership of transcluding pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5382 +comment (10achuggard) [06:36:29] Do we have a big blinking warning that says "HAVE YOU LOOKED FOR DUPES YET?"? [06:37:57] apparently not big enough [06:41:20] 03(NEW) ref tag doesnt work in Farsi version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13054 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (mnrz57) [06:43:37] can anyone guess why Special:Userlist shows correctly a list of all users (1 admin, two normal users) but the amount of users in Special:Statistics shows "Registered users 1 of which 1 (100%) admins" ? [06:44:07] i've gotta sit in on a meeting tomorrow where some people are going to pitch doing a Wiki in Sharepoint vs using Mediawiki . anyone ever found a comparison? [06:44:28] i'd like to encourage them to go MW but "it's free / open source / or even works" won't be enough [06:47:24] mediawiki and sharepoint are not really comparable, i think their aims are different [06:47:35] as i understand sharepoint, it's more like a document repository [06:48:23] SP 2007 has wiki features though, but I haven't had the opportunity to use them [06:50:18] someone at a London Wiki Wednesday gave a talk comparing sharepoint and mediawiki [06:50:34] he obviously thought the two were comparable [06:50:54] i thought you said you found the talk a bit strange because of how different they were [06:51:02] I may have done [06:51:18] They can be, to a point. The choice between SP & Mediawiki will depend alot on your proposed audience, purpose of the site, already available hardware/software, etc. [06:51:19] but obviously some people see them as competing [06:51:19] it's the wiki features i'm curious about [06:51:28] we already use sharepoint [06:51:32] it's plaguing everything [06:52:02] but our business developers want to set up a wiki for them to use ... and they're gonna get directed towards using a sharepoint site [06:52:27] with the wiki featuers set up or turned on or whatever [06:52:32] and "I don't like it" isn't going to be a valid argument [06:53:02] well, if you already use sharepoint, that seems like the easiest choice by far [06:53:39] the main reason to deploy mediawiki (other than the features) is that a lot of people are already familiar with it [06:59:41] yea, i suspect i'll lose this fight [06:59:46] Extensibility would be a neat feature of Mediawiki over Sharepoint though. This SP 2007 wiki stuff seems pretty monolithic [07:00:04] could you point me at what you're reading Charlie? [07:00:24] I'm not reading, I'm playing with one that I have access to [07:00:40] ah [07:01:56] At the place where I interned, we setup a developers mediawiki, and we use a combination of SemanticMediawiki plus a number of in house developed extensions to bring things together like project status, updates, integrating bugzilla info, source links, etc. [07:02:36] Active Directory integration is there as well, but admittedly is not quite as fine tuned as you can get with Sharepoint. [07:02:39] rdg: if you can't argue for mediawiki, you might consider this instead: http://www.atlassian.com/sharepoint/ [07:02:58] AD support in MW is fine [07:03:04] or at least, it works for my implementation [07:03:14] especially since apache 2.2.8 came and fixed the one bug I noticed [07:03:40] flyingparchment, i'm not going to argue for anything involving sharepoint [07:03:45] i want mediawiki installed [07:04:13] in the end, my opinion most likely won't matter since i won't be remotely responsible for the project [07:13:37] hi, i am trying to figure out how to get to the special pae that allows me to cahnge the css for the entire wiki [07:14:06] !css | newrkv [07:14:06] --mwbot-- newrkv: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [07:14:44] that would be more useful if it explained what 'xxx' was meant to be [07:14:55] lol [07:15:19] it still didnt make much since, does anyone have an example url they can show me on how to get directly there [07:15:31] yeah... maybe someone who has edit permissions to mwbot can do it [07:15:56] lol [07:16:13] 03(mod) {{REVISIONID}} is broken just after page save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12694 (10sco_scam) [07:16:48] newrkv: /path/to/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [07:25:58] 03tstarling * r31044 10/trunk/phase3/ (197 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) [07:25:58] * Introduced OutputPage::addWikiMsg() and OutputPage::wrapWikiMsg(), to make it easier to avoid double-parsing. Double-parsing introduces differences between the old and new parsers. [07:25:58] * Used the new functions in the relevant places throughout the core. Where this was not possible, used wfMsgNoTrans() to avoid double-parsing. [07:25:58] * Calling wfEscapeWikiText() on a title before passing it to a message is [07:26:01] unnecessary and causes bugs. The best idea is to let the message do its own [07:26:03] escaping. Removed wfEscapeWikiText() from the caller of addedwatchtext, [07:26:05] removedwatchtext, deletedtext, protect-text, nosuchusershort and movepage-moved. [07:31:46] TimStarling: wee. Huge commit ;) [07:32:26] yay [07:33:33] TimStarling: which MessagesEn.php entries were changed that were not updated in other languages? [07:34:18] 03rotem * r31045 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update. [07:34:34] 03tstarling * r31046 10/trunk/extensions/EditMessages/ (4 files): [07:34:34] Extension for web-based editing of large numbers of Messages*.php files. [07:34:34] This extension is insecure. Do not enable it on a public wiki. It provides unauthenticated write access to the PHP files in your MediaWiki installation. [07:34:36] only the ones listed in the commit notice were changed in the other languages [07:34:55] anything else that was changed in MessagesEn.php was only changed there [07:36:13] addedwatchtext, removedwatchtext, deletedtext, protect-text, nosuchusershort and movepage-moved [07:36:22] TimStarling: ok, then I've got a little sorting out to do. [07:36:48] TimStarling: OK, just to make sure: the ones listed above were changed, but not updated in other languages? [07:36:57] those were updated in all languages [07:37:04] ok. [07:37:07] I went through that exact list and changed those messages in all languages [07:37:18] tough job... [07:37:21] but I didn't make a list for the ones I only changed in MessagesEn.php, so you have to use the diff for that [07:37:34] *siebrand nods. [07:37:37] it would have been tougher if i didn't write that EditMessages extension [07:38:22] you tell it what message you want to edit, and it puts a textarea on the page for every language that has that message, prefilled with the message text [07:38:34] then you change them on the page, press submit, and it generates a unified diff for you [07:38:44] then you click "apply patch", and it edits all the files [07:39:06] easier than editing them all in vim, I can tell you [07:39:32] and there's the possibility for writing javascript macros to automate it even further [07:42:46] TimStarling: hmm, if this is going to be done a lot, that'll mean a lot of work on Betawiki. Are there particular types of issues that need to be fixed? [07:43:15] hmm [07:43:18] + $fol = wfMsgNoTrans( 'shareddescriptionfollows' ); [07:43:27] + $wgOut->addWikiMsg( $fol ); [07:43:31] 03(mod) Support Microsoft SQL Server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9767 +comment (10cxcxcxcx) [07:43:36] is that ok? [07:43:56] assuming there's a -wfMsg(... there somewhere, yes [07:43:59] that's the main point of the change [07:44:22] oh, except that it's not [07:44:25] fair enough [07:45:01] nice to have a second pair of eyes on these things, you can stare at a diff all day and not see something like that [07:45:56] 03tstarling * r31047 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Preprocessor.php Preprocessor_DOM.php Preprocessor_Hash.php): Documentation. [07:48:00] 03tstarling * r31048 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ImagePage.php: Bug in r31044, thanks Nikerabbit [07:53:24] hi all. why #if maybe don't parsed: just print on page like "{{#if: John Doe| John Doe }}"? [07:54:14] !parserfunctions | Scriptkiller [07:54:14] --mwbot-- Scriptkiller: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!). For help using parser functions, please see . For details about the extension, see . [07:54:28] #if is a parser function [07:55:50] the 'classic' skin is really the result of the various parts of the skin underlying logic, right? [07:57:35] starshine: yes, which is why everywhere else it's called 'standard' (i don't know why the prefs form calls it classic) [07:58:42] ok. I think it's a integrated in MediaWiki. thx [07:59:52] i [07:59:54] Hu [08:00:04] Anyone awake? [08:00:14] nope [08:00:18] xD [08:00:46] flyingparchment: is there a good way for me to create an *extra* skin based on classic without ruining access to the original one? [08:01:00] ;) [08:01:07] starshine: derive from Skin [08:01:07] 03tstarling * r31049 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Updated the parser section. [08:01:10] WeZZZ: of course not, the world codes in its zzzleep. [08:03:50] I have a few questions, I have defined bunch of templates, now I want to export those templates all in one time to export them into another mediawiki, one template for example is DC Templates: bleh, but i want all the templates in one time. [08:03:55] What is the best way to do this ? [08:14:26] TimStarling: we've been contemplating backporting localisations to the latest stable from 1.12 on. Depending on how automated that can be done, we're thinking of a frequency of once/week or month. [08:14:47] TimStarling: any thoughts on that? [08:15:59] 1.12 will be released soon [08:16:08] TimStarling: *nod* [08:16:10] so there's probably not much point [08:16:48] ^_^ Yay... [08:16:48] is there a way to link images to wiki images? [08:16:55] TimStarling: let me clarify: 1.12.0 is released. After x weeks there will be a 1.12.0.1 containing only L10n updates [08:16:55] like the gallery-tag [08:17:05] but with the full image as link [08:17:16] right... [08:17:38] well, you ask brion about that [08:17:52] TimStarling: will do. [08:20:43] are there enough people doing translations to check which message changes need to be backported? [08:21:44] TimStarling: somebody asked about this earlier and it got me curious and I couldn't find anything on the wikitech wiki, but is logmsgbot's msg about when people sync files echoed anywhere else? [08:21:48] how do you change the title of the "main page" [08:21:56] OverlordQ: no [08:22:34] mkay [08:22:51] *OverlordQ goes back to the wonderful world of wiki-tables [08:23:15] are you mighty ones with SVN access busy? think I could con one of you into looking at / fixing bug 12837 ? [08:23:46] newrkv: MediaWiki:Mainpage [08:25:44] what is extension parse this -> " style="text-align: center;" colspan="2" "? [08:26:03] thanks, that worked! [08:27:00] ok, now another question [08:27:15] how do you get all the options that wikipedia has on their edit pages? [08:27:17] CharlieHuggard: you want to add an exclamation mark? [08:27:23] yep [08:28:06] доброе [08:28:22] because otherwise a match needs to return true (and thus run all the other hooks and overwriten by other hooks) [08:28:34] and you submitted a bug report and wrote two screenfuls of text about that exclamation mark, and then waited 3 weeks? [08:29:56] newrkv: which options? the buttons at the top or the links at the bottom? [08:30:49] actually, both [08:31:06] i would like to provide as many options that people are used to already with wikipedia [08:31:13] the top is native to newer versions of mediawiki, and adjustable via mwCustomEditButtons [08:31:33] it is modifable via user javascript or site-wide javascript [08:31:46] CharlieHuggard: I'm looking at the annotation... [08:32:32] the bottom links are an extension called charinsert [08:32:34] how do i add java script to the site, via site wide java [08:32:37] !charinsert [08:32:37] --mwbot-- CharInsert is an extension that enables the creation of JavaScript links which, when clicked, insert predefined text into the text box. These links are usually used in the "MediaWiki:Edittools" interface message. For more information, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert >; for example usage, see < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools >. [08:33:03] CharlieHuggard: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php?annotate=30052&pathrev=30284 [08:33:22] it was introduced in r11782 by avar [08:33:41] for the other, see: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Custom_edit_buttons (I can't find a good help page on mediawiki.org) [08:33:50] hm... probably have to keep it that way then [08:34:07] is there a way to link to a article with full image? [08:34:10] but it seems like hooks on that point are going to be backwards you know? [08:34:32] newrkv: what version of mediawiki? [08:35:19] the obvious solution is to change the hook name [08:35:30] (also, make sure $wgUseSiteJs = true and $wgAllowUserJs = true in your settings) [08:35:33] how can i tell? probably a really dumb question, but it came bundled [08:35:37] it's a terrible name anyway [08:35:53] marvxx1: there are at least 3 ways, none perfect... [08:36:30] add Imagemape extension, allow external images, or javascript/css tomfoolery [08:36:57] newrkv: go to Special:Version [08:36:59] external images? [08:37:23] $wgAllowExternalImages in your settings [08:37:44] and how i add them? [08:38:05] if enabled, you can paste the full URI of an image in the internet and the wiki will generate an of it, you can link it via [http://link http://image] [08:38:06] its 1.11.0 [08:38:10] 03siebrand * r31050 10/trunk/extensions/EditMessages/ (EditMessages.i18n.php EditMessages.php EditMessages_body.php): [08:38:10] * update i18n file format [08:38:10] * add ExtensionCredits and descriptionmsg [08:38:10] * remove EOL whitespace [08:38:11] how old is that? [08:38:34] pretty new, charinsert and mwCustomEditButtons should work fine (unless the bundling was funky) [08:39:02] i am at the charinset, but where is mwcustomeditbuttons? [08:39:11] Splarka: oje ;-) [08:39:16] TimStarling: Ok, Thanks. [08:39:25] marvxx1: but then anyone (that can edit) can embed any external image they want. also, you must externally link (via full URL) the page, so it doesn't register in Whatlinkshere [08:39:38] newrkv: 1.11.0 was released 2007-09-10 [08:39:42] is a better solution overall, but requires the extension [08:39:48] Splarka: maybe i should better look at imagemap [08:39:55] i have the extension installed anyway [08:40:00] newrkv: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Custom_edit_buttons is the best help page I've seen on it (since I wrote it) [08:40:12] lol [08:40:22] what is the newest version of wiki? [08:40:33] marvxx1: the 3rd solution is to create a global css class, to give a specific type of link a background image, this is more useful if you only wanna do it once [08:41:06] i think imagemap is the way to go for me...but i have to see how i can do that [08:41:13] !imagemap [08:41:13] --mwbot-- ImageMap is an extension that allows you to override the default linking behavior of images. See for more information. [08:42:09] Tim: is {{subst:REVISIONID}} (broken apparently) a possible fix at some future date? or is that an extreme case of parse priorities at polar perplexity [08:42:29] Splarka: thank you..i will try it out [08:43:05] does mediawiki update the {{numberofusers}} only when user has made a certain amount of edits? [08:44:00] or should the value update as soon as new user has registered? [08:44:12] has that ever worked? [08:44:23] doubtful [08:44:27] and yet people expect it to [08:44:31] hm? [08:44:49] (they also expect {{urlencode:}} to work, heh) [08:45:28] I am just wondering if it is even possible to assign a revisionID before the subst parsing portion? [08:45:29] I think {{REVISIONID}} should never have been added in the first place [08:45:43] and so if I had my way, it wouldn't be broken, it'd be missing [08:46:31] it seems the skin i have, has disabled the buttons all together that usually show up right above the edit box. any idea on how i would go about changing this? [08:46:39] it's possible, anything's possible [08:46:56] so do it? who is gonna argue with you? ^_^ [08:47:13] *Splarka just read an article about 180,000 muslims fighting wikipedia and losing [08:47:31] (remove it or fix it, that is) [08:47:44] 03dale * r31051 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js: minnor fix for IE DOM Ready issue [08:48:17] newrkv: perhaps you have it disabled in your user settings? [08:49:03] let me check that... [08:49:32]