[00:00:56] 03brion * r31284 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): [00:00:56] * (bug 13022) Fix upload from URL on PHP 5.0.x [00:00:56] PHP 5.0.x whines about pass-by-ref, apparently :P [00:01:03] 03(FIXED) Cannot upload from url source, in php 5.0.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13022 +comment (10brion) [00:02:11] has anyone heard this quote: "Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100mph. They'd be a lot more careful about what they say if they had" ~Linus Torvalds [00:03:29] 03brion * r31285 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): Merge r31284 from trunk, fixes a fatal err on PHP 5.0.x [00:03:35] Wiredtape: i've read it online before [00:04:42] hilarious from my perspective :) [00:13:57] 03(FIXED) Add new component LabeledSectionTransclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13023 +comment (10brion) [00:14:42] brion: Im not sure if this has been addressed, but is there plans on making __HIDDENCAT__ ignore the the category namespace? [00:15:18] Betacommand: afaik that's been addressed [00:15:29] brion: ok, thanks [00:18:10] is it possible to delete a user in mediawiki ? [00:18:29] No [00:18:52] Edits have to be tracked to some user, to remain within copyrights [00:18:55] Never heard that quote before Wiredtape. [00:19:26] WholeWheatRadio, yeah first time for me too :) [00:19:36] so even as admin I cant do anything to delte a user? [00:19:58] !e User_Merge_and_Delete | gcardinal [00:19:58] --mwbot-- gcardinal: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:User_Merge_and_Delete [00:20:07] I don't want to tromp on the geist of the room, but gcardinal, you can delete a user if you're talking about your own wiki. [00:20:42] ahh convert to anonymous [00:21:52] Yeah, they posted the links. You can also delete a user from the user table although that may not be what you want. [00:21:53] gcardinal, there's also an extension i believe that tries to deal with that.. [00:22:30] Do you want to just delete the user and have their edits remain or do you want their edits to disappear too? [00:49:05] 03(mod) error with the parser function with CategoryTree - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13028 (10brion) [00:52:34] 03(mod) Big black boxes shown instead of dependency graphs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13029 (10brion) [00:53:06] v [00:55:39] ^ [00:56:32] :-D [00:56:35] > [00:57:43] < [01:04:39] mediawiki hooks=mediawiki api? [01:05:10] no [01:05:21] !hooks [01:05:21] --mwbot-- Hooks allow you to run functions at various points in the main MediaWiki code. For more information about using hooks in MediaWiki, see . [01:05:23] !api [01:05:23] --mwbot-- The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [01:18:16] 03(mod) Special:Allmessages&uselang= discoveries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13037 (10brion) [01:19:47] 03(mod) Top edge of image clobbers text - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13038 (10brion) [01:21:45] 03(mod) Gender switch in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040 (10brion) [01:24:24] 03brion * r31286 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.inc: Tests failed due to missing page_props table; add it in [01:25:42] 03brion * r31287 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php: * (bug 13041) Typo in getExprParser() [01:26:14] I'm writing an extension and I'm having problems with i18n. In my setup file (which is require_once'd at the end of LocalSettings.php) I have a function that loads the i18n messages into the $wgMessageCache. If I call the function directly, like it says to do in Writing Extensions part of the mediawiki.org wiki, $wgMessageCache hasn't been instantiated yet, so I can't add messages to it. If I hook it into LoadAllMessages, it doesn't [01:26:48] 03(FIXED) ParserFunctions function getExprParser does not return a pre-existing handle to the Expr parser if it exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13041 +comment (10brion) [01:28:14] I'm running 1.11.1 on Linux + Apache [01:28:52] 14(WFM) Recentchanges feed doesn't show the editor's name/IP address - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13045 +comment (10brion) [01:30:49] 03(FIXED) New MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13047 +comment (10brion) [01:32:10] Does anyone know how I can tell who is the administrator of a wikimedia wiki site? [01:32:28] 03(mod) API must be accessed through the primary script entry point error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13049 (10brion) [01:32:43] Perryman: visit the Special:Listadmins page on that wiki [01:32:59] kibble: that is not in the special pages list :/ [01:33:09] Perryman: which wiki? [01:33:23] http://chaosforge.org/crawl/index.php?title=CrawlWiki [01:33:36] MediaWiki: 1.6.8 [01:33:52] http://chaosforge.org/crawl/index.php?title=Special:Listusers/sysop [01:33:54] I basically am trying to get them to update to 1.9 so I can use sortable tables. [01:34:00] which is also http://chaosforge.org/crawl/index.php?title=Special:Listadmins ;-) [01:34:11] oh, thank you [01:34:34] Do you know if it's a great deal of work to upgrade? [01:35:09] why would you upgrade to an old release? [01:35:17] or newer [01:37:57] I did an upgrade today from 1.10 to 1.11 and it took about 30 minutes, including backing up the old version. If you run into problems, it can take longer. [01:38:27] 03ivanlanin * r31288 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Indonesian (id) localisation updates for AntiSpoof, AssertEdit, BookInformation, and CategoryTree. [01:38:33] I'd just want them to upgrade to a new release. [01:52:59] 03ivanlanin * r31289 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesId.php: Indonesian (id) localisation updates. [01:53:17] 03(NEW) Block log for range blocked ip's isn' t linked on contributions page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13156 minor; low; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (oysterguitarist) [01:54:23] i18n works if I explicitly call my setup function at the beginning of each page or hook function, but it seems like I shouldn't have to do that. Am I really supposed to? [01:56:51] 03simetrical * r31290 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix up RELEASE-NOTES a bit (move config stuff to config changes, rephrase $wgFeed descriptions, punctuate more consistently, better explain filepageexists change) [02:09:59] 03(mod) Create new prefix COM: for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12600 +comment (10cbrown1023) [02:15:15] hey guys... how hard is it to move a MySQL mediawiki site to a Postgresql one? [02:15:15] I assume if I just do a mysql dump the results will be incompatible with psql [02:15:15] Recently installed mediawiki on shared hosting server. My problem: cannot control email sender's email address even though I set $wgPasswordSender = "myemail@mydomain.com" , the new user registration confirmation gets sent from the default email address on my shared hosted server account. How do I change the email address in MW? [02:15:16] maybe check $wgEmergencyContact ? [02:16:15] Thanks, however I already did change $wgEmergencyContact and the mail still is sent from the default email account [02:17:55] hmm I dont know then... my only other guess would be some other ini file overridding the one you're editing [02:18:49] Menane, try asking your host about this.. if you have cpanel just edit your php.ini [02:19:25] zarath76__, i dunno what u need to do to move mysql->postgresql [02:19:34] possibly look online for a tool for the conversion? [02:23:29] well yeah I've been searching around online [02:23:29] but so far haven't come up with much. [02:23:54] my current mediawiki was originally a guerilla installation several years ago on an old pentium 3 box... now my org wants to move it to the server rack but wants to use PG and I'm more inclined to PG myself too [02:23:58] Thanks wiredtape, I do have cpanel, I found only one link where someone had the same problem http://forums.opengarden.org/archive/index.php/t-615.html [02:24:06] did you try #mysql, or maybe there's even a #postgresql [02:24:32] zarath76__, why are you more inclined to it? [02:24:46] I'm also considering ways to convert the actual wikitext out of mediawiki format into something else like reST [02:25:01] mename, you should have the option to edit php.ini there [02:25:13] zarath76__, then why use mediawiki? [02:25:19] well we use PG a lot internally so I'm much more familiar with it and my highly subjective opinion is that it's "better" [02:25:37] well, that's what I mean. maybe we won't continue using mediawiki... [02:26:29] we will for the time being though, which is why I'm asking about the PG thing, since it has to move machines anyway [02:27:42] 03(mod) Create new prefix COM: for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12600 (10Eugene.Zelenko) [02:29:55] zarath76__, well, best of luck finding a converter/other method.. [02:30:28] 03(mod) Gender switch in user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13040 (10Eugene.Zelenko) [02:34:20] Wiredtape, is it possible that I don't have a file named php.ini ? [02:35:54] Mename, it's possible.. do you have a way to contact your host easily? [02:36:00] like a chat or something? [02:37:16] Wired, I can post to their forum or submit a problem ticket and they will get back to me sometime before the next ice age. [02:38:28] heh [02:38:56] techinically you can just create php.ini in your directory, however, the way it is handled is on a case by case basis [02:40:19] Is it only in the LocalSettings.php file that $wgPasswordSender gets set? [02:40:59] hmm.. i guess.. [02:41:19] It sounds like you think my problem is external to MW [02:41:23] php: relocation error: php: symbol gzdopen, version libmysqlclient_15 not define d in file libmysqlclient.so.15 with link time reference [02:41:41] this is the error im getting when running generateSitemaps.php, anyone have any ideas? [02:42:24] Mename, yeah, well it's because usually if your email is set to your server internal mail, it's caused by php when mediawiki uses mail() [02:44:33] Wired, yea, I never told MW about that default email address but it is picking it up from somewhere [02:45:22] Is mail() a php command? [02:47:13] yes [03:29:59] Is there a way to use make currentyear display in roman numerals? [03:32:27] I don't think so [03:32:57] bwahaha [03:33:49] if you have StringFunctions it should be easy-ish [03:34:12] How about using something to convert a number to roman numerals. {{#time}} has options but they don't seem to work. [03:37:32] hmm, #time I don't think will help much for this... [03:38:05] it says you could do {{ #time: Y, xr }} but it doesn't work. [03:38:26] unless I'm reading wrong [03:38:50] oh [03:38:55] {{#time:xrY}} [03:39:14] nice [03:39:33] that's it. Never would have guessed that it was backwards. [03:39:36] thanks [03:39:39] well [03:39:44] xr Format the next numeric code as a roman numeral. Only works for numbers up to 3000. [03:39:46] in the help [03:39:55] 'the next' heh [03:39:57] the example threw me off [03:40:20] "Y xrY" would produce "2008 MMVIII" [03:40:37] oh, I see. I was wrong either way. [03:40:54] At least I was looking at the right page. [03:43:10] Recently installed mediawiki on shared hosting server. My problem: cannot control email sender's email address even though I set $wgPasswordSender = "myemail@mydomain.com" , the new user registration confirmation gets sent from the default email address on my shared hosted server account. [03:43:26] Tim: would adding support in the API for up to /24 CIDR searches (&list=usercontribs&ucuser=1.2.3.4/24) be viable? It can already be done with a long list, eg ucuser=1.2.3.0|1.2.3.1|1.2.3.2 ... and is very fast (< .35 secs on several I tested) [03:43:41] (and bots could even be given access to up to /16, heh) [03:44:37] it could be done using a prefix search [03:44:44] *Splarka asks because a /24 of full octets, eg 123.123.123.0 -255, generates a URL beyond 4000 chars, which overloads the wikimedia URI length [03:45:30] but I was amazed how fast the API was at parallel contribs lookups [03:46:28] Tim: you mean, add a command like &ucuserprefix= ? [03:48:40] I don't know if a prefix search would be most efficient... I don't know how it works exactly, but the results are returned sorted by date for all listed usernames/useraddresses until the limit is reached... [03:48:52] heh [03:48:57] &scaretimaway=false [03:49:02] *Splarka curses his forgetfulness [04:09:00] 03(NEW) CIDR ranges api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13157 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (herd) [04:23:15] Hmm...I'm having extension writer's block [04:28:08] Soxred93: how does that work? [04:28:46] You sit, think, get annoyed, search for an idea, see it exists, get mad, repet [04:28:54] hah [04:29:07] how's that washing machine working? [04:29:08] :) [04:29:13] Huh? [04:30:11] [[Lather, rinse, repeat]] [04:40:54] Recently installed mediawiki on shared hosting server. My problem: cannot control email sender's email address even though I set $wgPasswordSender = "myemail@mydomain.com" , the new user registration confirmation gets sent from the default email address on my shared hosted server account. Does anyone know where the "mail ()" command is located in Mediawiki? [04:41:48] who's your host? [04:42:03] bluehost [04:42:56] btw, it defaults to $wgEmergencyContact so you prolly want to set that instead [04:43:16] or set both if you want them to be different [04:43:33] I set both and they are both ignored [04:43:44] they are not ignored... [04:43:52] *jeremyb returns to viewvc... [04:46:05] 03(mod) Inaccurate description for Special:Categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13147 +comment (10tstarling) [04:47:48] 14(DUP) Diff between versions wildly wrong; repeated lines; ordering errors; etc. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13129 +comment (10tstarling) [04:47:51] 03(mod) Unexplained, inconsistent diff cache - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9533 +comment (10tstarling) [04:53:29] 03(mod) Erratic corrupted diff (repeated lines, etc.) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9533 summary; +comment (10tstarling) [04:54:57] Jeremyb, how about an extension that hanges the default preferences, and if a box is checked, then it affects all preferences? [04:57:35] hanges? [04:57:45] *jeremyb doesn't follow anyway [04:57:49] has*? [05:02:59] Changes* [05:03:34] still not following [05:05:24] 03(FIXED) Listing hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13106 +comment (10tstarling) [05:05:43] 03(FIXED) Categories using HIDDENCAT should be listed on the edit page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13102 +comment (10tstarling) [05:05:58] ok, how about an extension that can change the default preferences for everybody on the wiki [05:07:33] that might be useful, though i imagine it can be done in LocalSettings [05:09:02] It can, but to change every user already on the wiki, it requires database command line access [05:09:44] jeremyb you said, "they are not ignored..." that may be true, however, I guess what I meant to say is that mail is sent from the default account no matter what values I assign to $wgEmergencyContact or $wgPasswordSender [05:09:52] 14(INVALID) Ad above article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13098 +comment (10tstarling) [05:12:25] So how about an extension that can lock the database? [05:13:51] Mename: wgSMTP? [05:14:08] Soxred93: for what? [05:14:10] Soxred93: Special:Lockdb [05:14:14] it's part of core [05:14:20] Argh [05:14:21] hah [05:14:30] See, I told you! [05:14:56] As said above, "You sit, think, get annoyed, search for an idea, see it exists, get mad, repet" [05:15:12] I just go to "get mad" [05:15:17] *jeremyb sees a new operator and wonders if his php is too rudimentary: =& [05:15:19] got to* [05:15:25] the extension that's most needed is an extension enable / disabler [05:15:42] is that just & with assignment? [05:15:47] You mean an extension that can enable/disable other extensions? [05:16:18] jeremyb: I don't understand "wgSMPT" [05:16:19] i would think such an ext would be better off included for all (and maybe not an ext at all?) [05:16:33] Mename: look up the value you have set and tell me [05:16:56] Mename: but make sure to search for wgSMTP not wgSMPT [05:17:01] yeah, it should be part of core [05:17:32] hi all, I have a mediawiki installation running 1.03, and I'd like to upgrade to current. What would be the easiest way to do it? [05:17:53] how old is that? [05:17:58] well, rather: how much harder is the simplest way than just Special:Exporting all the pages? [05:18:16] *jeremyb bets it's easier [05:18:19] jeremyb: i'm not sure, but it's borking templates so I'd like to upgrade [05:18:23] 1.03! [05:18:27] Upgrade now! [05:18:38] Soxred93: i'm asking how to do so :) [05:18:40] 1.3 or 1.03? [05:19:02] pardon, 1.3.10 [05:19:08] Oh, whew [05:19:13] That's still old [05:19:24] There is a page on MediaWiki.org, I forget where it is [05:19:37] the (c) year is 2004, and it's running on a mysql compiled in early 2005 [05:20:28] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading ? [05:21:11] Yep [05:21:24] *checkers finds http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_to_1.6 [05:21:50] jeremyb, sorry to such a slug, but, how do I find the value that wgSMTP is set to? [05:22:05] Why 1.6? [05:22:20] Mename: localsettings i'm guessing? [05:22:26] Jeremyb, how about an extension that backs up all of a wiki [05:22:32] how do you usually set/lookup settings? [05:22:39] *checkers is guessing upgrading from 1.3 to 1.11 is likely to break [05:22:46] Soxred93: erm... i think that's a bad idea [05:22:48] checkers: why? [05:22:53] No, it won't, I don't think [05:22:58] unless you fail utterly [05:23:23] jeremyb: because larger upgrades tend to [05:23:35] checkers: it's likely trivial to backup your db and give it a whirl... [05:24:07] the other problem is that I need to update php at the same time, and going back to php4 if it fails could be sticky [05:24:08] jeremyb: php() says SMTP has value of "localhost" . [05:24:22] phpinfo() [05:24:54] Mename: and the version i provided? [05:25:09] Checkers, I would try to upgrade to php5 first, wait and see how it goes, then upgrade to 1.11 [05:25:38] jeremyb: the version?? [05:25:44] actually, I was just thinking it would be easier to upgrade to 1.6 only and see if that fixes the template bug [05:26:00] that seems to be the last php4 one [05:26:14] 1.6.10 [05:26:19] Yep [05:26:30] Mename: wgSMTP not SMTP [05:26:44] Template bug? [05:26:57] Mename: try looking wherever you normally look up and set localsettings... [05:27:10] some templates are not being expanded properly [05:27:34] 03(mod) LabeledSectionTransclusion: Localized tags do not work with new parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13024 (10raimond.spekking) [05:27:34] hehe, there's no section in the UPGRADE file for 1.3 (there is up to 1.4.x) [05:27:52] is, instead of `(Ref. Bug#6326 (.../bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6326))`, they show `Template:Bugzilla` [05:28:54] oh, nvm there is a section for it [05:29:28] 03(mod) Show redirects in watchlist editor in italics - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13144 (10bruce2ee) [05:29:38] jeremyb: I'm new to this. I guess I have to find out how to look up and set localsettings [05:30:15] thanks for your help guys [05:30:57] Mename: do you have a LocalSettings.php? [05:32:42] jeremyb - yes it was created at installation time [05:33:40] jeremyb - that where I set $wgPasswordSender [05:35:29] Mename: does it mention wgSMTP? [05:36:15] *jeremyb points to includes/DefaultSettings.php:543:$wgSMTP = false; [05:37:07] jeremyb : no it does not mention wgSMTP [05:38:47] *jeremyb smells progress [05:39:35] I know I'm slow but not sure how sure [05:40:23] jeremyb: localsettings.php says # See includes/DefaultSettings.php for all configurable settings [05:40:24] # and their default values, but don't forget to make changes in _this_ [05:40:26] # file, not there. [05:41:06] yes... [05:41:31] checkers: what is the content of Template:Bugzilla ? [05:41:55] Mename: btw, php version? [05:42:41] ([http://[...]/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id={Template:1} Ref. Bug#{Template:1}]) [05:42:53] *checkers points Splarka at the above [05:43:07] jeremyb: php 5.2.5 [05:43:07] *jeremyb doesn't understand {Template:1} [05:43:18] *jeremyb points to {{{1|foo}}} [05:43:36] whoops, looking at the page doesn't give you the source [05:43:56] ([http://[...]/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id={{{1}}} Ref. Bug#{{{1}}}]) [05:44:42] does that check out ok? [05:45:27] it seems to mostly work, but occasionally it will randomly fail and just display `Template:Bugzilla` as a link to the template:bugzilla page [05:45:36] looks good [05:45:52] red or blue? [05:46:00] blue, the link works fine [05:46:02] query string? [05:46:08] hmm? [05:46:35] and then just refreshing the page without editing fixes it? (possible with some time elapsed) [05:46:50] no, it seems to be permanently broken [05:47:04] if you edit the page to remove it and readd it, it still appears broken... mostly [05:47:29] I'd link you but it's on an intranet only [05:48:34] hmmm... did template paramers work in 1.3? [05:48:36] jeremyb : do you think this is my situation? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Configuration_tips_and_tricks#Using_external_SMTP_server [05:49:30] Splarka: they work, but only sometimes, and the pattern of work/fail is random [05:50:17] Mename: depends on the host... wait a sec [05:50:29] Splarka: they must if they do sometimes right? [05:50:30] that /does/ sound like an upgrade-fixable bug [05:51:37] Splarka: can i quote in php with anything besides quotes? like qq in perl [05:51:58] *Splarka don't know no php [05:52:06] *jeremyb be surprised [05:52:49] per MediaWiki I am not so interested in the "how it is done", as the "how much can be done with it" [05:53:19] 14(WFM) action=editredlink and transclusion of non-existent pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13122 +comment (10tstarling) [06:03:42] I was just saying in #mediawiki-scripts, I'm thinking that instead of action=editredlink, we can have action=edit&redlink=1 [06:04:19] makes sense, yes [06:04:25] it has the same good performance characteristics, the redlink parameter is available for code that needs it, but code that relies on action=edit doesn't get screwed up [06:04:25] look, thats robla [06:04:53] howdy [06:05:09] hmm [06:05:44] are action=edit squid cached at all, for anon users? [06:06:19] check the Cache-Control header. [06:06:31] no [06:06:46] werdna: lazy ftw [06:08:06] AaronSchulz goes to ohio state? [06:10:37] 03tstarling * r31291 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (EditPage.php Linker.php): Use a separate redlink parameter for red link determination, instead of overloading the action parameter [06:10:50] Is there a function that will display the current year minus 1? [06:11:05] Mufka: do you have the ParserFunctions extension installed? [06:11:09] yes [06:11:25] {{#expr:{{CURRENTYEAR}}-1}} [06:11:26] I think [06:11:46] that works. thanks [06:12:02] Mename: you have a shell on that box? [06:12:20] yes [06:12:27] what's editredlink for? [06:12:34] stuff [06:12:40] let's go live with that right away [06:12:53] 03(mod) request for New Namespace at Marathi language wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13046 +comment (10subhash.raut) [06:13:00] the current situation is broken in lots of ways [06:13:20] jeremyb: yes I have shell access [06:14:17] Mename: change the domains to match your situation and run echo $'\',"bar","foo baz quux",\'From: "foo quux" \')) ?>' | php [06:14:32] jeremy: for inline redlinks, if user is banned they redirect to action=view to not see banned message [06:15:17] Splarka: for some psychological vandal prevention reason? [06:15:44] no, to not bite users on a banned subnet [06:15:52] ohh, anons [06:16:12] many schools are banned from editing, but that shouldn't make them spooked to click any links, if they click a red link and get "omg u r banzored!" [06:16:37] this makes them have to click [edit] to see that msg [06:17:19] 03(mod) New:=?UTF-8?Q?=20=23=20shows=201=202=203=204=20and=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?not=20=E0=A5=A7=20=E0=A5=A8=20=E0=A5=A9=20=E0=A5=AA=20o?= =?UTF-8?Q?n=20marathi=20wikipedia?=. - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13158 (10N/A) [06:17:32] so basically it's just for those unitiated in the red=doesn't exist yet scheme [06:17:58] haha wikibugs doesn't speak smtp or mime forget which [06:18:19] not that my irssi does for that matter [06:18:34] but maybe it's someone else's fault [06:21:12] Mename? [06:21:33] jeremyb: working on it [06:24:15] Night all. [06:25:39] jeremyb: what am I doing wrong? $'\',"bar","foo baz quux",\'From: "foo quux" \')) ?>' | php [06:26:37] Mename: what happens? [06:27:07] command not found [06:27:55] hehe [06:28:10] you need to find out what/where php is [06:28:14] what about php5? [06:28:14] specifically: command not found [06:28:16] X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5 [06:28:17] Content-type: text/html [06:28:26] ohhh [06:28:32] stick an echo in front [06:28:46] < jeremyb> Mename: change the domains to match your situation and run echo $'\',"bar","foo baz quux",\'From: "foo quux" \')) ?>' | php [06:29:07] I'm bad [06:29:17] should get bool(true) [06:29:19] :) [06:29:38] then of course check mailbox and see what it looks like [06:31:26] X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5 [06:31:28] Content-type: text/html [06:31:29] bool(true) [06:31:35] good [06:31:47] you can use php -q to get rid of the headers [06:31:50] now check your mail [06:32:11] I'll check and let you know what it says [06:38:25] jeremyb: Please accept my great thanks for your help. However, I'm being urgently called away now. I'll have to get back to this latter. Thanks again!!!! [06:39:04] The smell of progress is wafting in the air [06:39:53] 03(mod) Create Community-l - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10999 (10az1568) [06:40:38] Mename: my guess is your host doesn't allow setting from header via sendmail so it's ignoring what MediaWiki says. that email should tell you if that's the problem [06:47:18] are there any more places to get themes for mediawiki beside meta? [06:47:26] google? [06:47:31] *jeremyb sleeps [07:12:42] 03(mod) Request feature: Subpages of Shortcuts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12980 minor->15enhancement (10soxred93) [07:17:25] 03huji * r31292 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations [07:17:47] Am I the only person who finds something wrong with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Padraig101? [07:21:30] I put in a request for implementation of a new subpage extension on Wikiversity 7 days ago (and/or a code review). Nothing's happened yet. Should I be patient, or should I press for more attention? [07:22:00] is the extension written? [07:22:06] Yes. [07:22:14] And tested on 1.11 and 1.12a. [07:22:20] is it in SVN? [07:22:21] And it seems bug-free. [07:22:34] Not on SVN - I have no commit access. [07:22:48] I asked Brion and he said just submit to Bugzilla. [07:23:01] you should find a couple people to review the code and put it in SVN, methinks [07:23:16] Who can do that? [07:23:34] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers [07:24:00] Only the lead developers (Tim, Brion), or anyone? I mean, probably not just any developer can clear an extension for Wikimedia use. [07:24:18] Brion will probably do the final review / enabling [07:24:26] but other people can certainly code review and commit [07:24:45] Can you? [07:24:48] ;-) [07:25:00] nope :) [07:25:04] Werdna's about, try him [07:25:27] McCormack: is the extension really cool? [07:25:39] No - it's really practical and boring. [07:25:45] And safe. [07:26:00] what does it do? [07:26:07] Just a mo... [07:26:25] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3 [07:26:46] Tim: it mostly consists of cutting out someone else's "cool" code to make it safer for Wikimedia. [07:27:12] Just creates a list of subpages of any given page - but look at the screenshot on that page. [07:27:30] Useful for Wikibooks and Wikiversity, which use a lot of subpages. [07:27:53] does it break cache coherency at all? [07:28:17] Creates a list of subpages of a given page? [07:28:22] My guess is no, but I'd need a cache coherency expert to look at that. [07:28:25] what's wrong with Special:Prefixindex/Page/ [07:28:46] Werdna: where can I see documentation about that? [07:29:12] {{Special:Prefixindex/Pagename}} [07:29:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ [07:29:18] for example [07:29:22] that would work too, but it most certainly does decohere the cache [07:29:22] documentation: "it does what it says" [07:30:33] Tim: are you looking at the code of my extension? or just commenting on the idea? [07:30:55] I'm talking about Special:Prefixindex [07:31:00] Ah. [07:31:12] presumably to update the cache properly, you'd need a tracking table [07:31:23] indexing would be tricky though [07:31:50] it's a longest substring problem, which is a bit clumsy with SQL [07:31:57] Werdna: the subpagelist extension does something quite different from your special page. The idea is to put a menu into an article. On Wikibooks and Wikiversity, "articles" actually come as multi-page entities with subpages. [07:33:06] McCormack: that special page is transcludable (one of about a half dozen that are), eg {{Special:Prefixindex/Pagename}}, which generates a 3 column table of results (although decoheres cache, is that a word?) [07:33:26] try {{Special:Prefixindex/{{FULLPAGENAME}}/}} in preview in any page with subpages [07:33:48] Splarka: but is the transcludable page pretty and minimalistic like the screenshot on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3 ? [07:33:56] try it and see [07:34:08] *McCormack is try it and looking ;-) [07:34:12] "pretty" is subjective [07:34:14] try --> trying [07:34:33] your extension might better be named SubPageTree [07:34:42] [07:34:46] a subpage list is much simpler than a prefix index list [07:34:57] that's certainly an argument in favour of having the extension [07:35:01] Splarka: that's what they say when they shut down a nuclear reactor [07:35:10] hah [07:35:21] they say "decohere"? [07:35:23] Splarka: I tried it. Comments... [07:35:29] [07:35:31] McCormack, what happens if a branch is missing? [07:35:42] [[Foo]] [[Foo/bar]] ... [[Foo/bar/baz/baf]] [07:35:43] because on update, you only have to check as many rows as there are subpage components [07:35:47] TimStarling: well, one can decide to purge only subpage prefixindex views.. [07:35:49] Splarka: the whole path shows, which isn't OK. The subpagelist extension allows more user readable output. [07:36:07] we end up purging a lot [07:36:07] *McCormack is missing posts as this is going so quick - trying to catch up. [07:36:11] McCormack: well, it is core and has been around for a long time, just sayin' [07:36:12] sometimes it is easier not to cache that [07:36:13] mmm [07:36:29] the prefix index operation is quite cheap anyway [07:36:29] purge, cache, purge, cache, bulemic squids [07:36:39] as long as it does do covering index ops %) [07:36:42] Splarka: "branch missing" ? - don't quite understand. Can you rephrase? [07:36:54] missing a /foo/ [07:37:07] McCormack: the example seems to assume a linear subparentage [07:37:13] 03(WONTFIX) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13158 +comment (10huji.huji) [07:37:45] Splarka: do you mean that a parent may have a grandchild but not an intermediate child? If so, tested and designed to cope! [07:37:58] just askin' [07:38:18] damn, checking out extensions takes forever. [07:38:27] Splarka: it was in fact a very interesting point when testing. Good question! [07:38:45] does it use embedded ul/li? [07:38:46] Werdna: it's fairly short - just one file, and no css or js. [07:39:23] Splarka: it uses star and hash and puts them through the parser - no hardcoded stuff that evades the parser. [07:39:38] McCormack: not referring to yours. I'm referring to the 'extensions' directory on svn. [07:39:48] Werdna: OK ;-) [07:40:13] Incidentally, the code is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3/SPL3Code [07:40:21] McCormack: another Q, does it specifically need subpages enabled in that namespace to function? [07:40:43] (enabled = show existing parents in contentSub, work with {{BASEPAGENAME}} and {{SUBPAGENAME}} magicwords) [07:41:03] or does it use slash delimited titles regardlessly? [07:41:22] Splarka: I think it's very namespace safe - I did a lot of work on that. But you're making suggestions which go beyond my testing. [07:41:35] I didn't try it with magic words. [07:41:39] no no... [07:41:41] I mean [07:41:50] does it work, regardless of whether a namespace has subpagination enabled in it? [07:42:43] Splarka: I didn't no one could disable subpages for a particular namespace, but I think the answer is that it would work regardless of this point. But one should perhaps test. How would I test? [07:43:01] well, for example... [07:43:13] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sub/foo <-- subpages enabled in this namespace, see contentSub parental link [07:43:26] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub/foo <-- subpages not enabled in this namespace [07:43:47] I have tested in the the User: and Template: namespaces. [07:44:01] this is dependant on the $wgNamespacesWithSubpages setting [07:45:56] which is default set to all talk namespaces, and user space [07:45:56] Splarka: if there are no subpages, it just returns a helpful error message. [07:45:57] *Splarka doesn't think you get what he is asking [07:45:58] I think he does. [07:45:58] Splarka: on Wikibooks and Wikiversity, subpages are a normal and common part of mainspace article organisation. [07:45:58] And I think he passed that. [07:45:58] if $wgNamespacesWithSubpages is not set on a namespace [07:45:58] then that namespace is not considered to have subpages [07:45:59] [[Foo/bar]] is then the full title of the page [07:46:00] [[AC/DC]] [07:46:00] Splarka: are you saying that [[foo/bar]] can exist but is not considered a subpage on some wikis? [07:46:09] yes, like most of them [07:46:09] McCormack: yes. [07:46:30] For instance, on wiktionary, [[and/or]] [07:47:03] One would have to test that to be sure, but the actual identification of subpages is done with a string parser and a title substring search (I think). So whether the slash is "really" a subpage or not isn't the issue. [07:47:25] right [07:47:27] Well yes, it should say "THis namespace does not have subpages enabled" [07:47:30] but this might be confusing [07:47:30] My own testing wikis were set to the default, and they work fine. [07:47:42] so your extension should probably abort on namespaces that don't have it enabled [07:48:13] because to say 'subpages' has some specific meaning in mediawiki beyond your definition, is what I am saying ^_^ [07:48:15] Splarka: rather than speculating, can we test it now? I have 2 wikis running this extension. [07:48:16] for example: [07:48:24] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo/bar?action=edit [07:48:28] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Foo/bar?action=edit [07:48:37] try previewing this on those pages: [07:48:37] {{BASEPAGENAME}} / {{SUBPAGENAME}} [07:48:39] Splarka: on a default wiki installation, are there any namespaces with subpages deactivated? [07:48:50] (Main) [07:48:52] McCormack: yes: all subject namespaces except user [07:49:05] and it isn't speculation, it is suggestion [07:49:18] Then we already have the solution: I have tested and it works. [07:49:31] the speculation: does it behave the same? [07:49:35] the suggestion: it shouldn't [07:49:56] *McCormack is beginning to see the light... ;-) [07:50:34] Well, it does work the same way right now, because that what users of Wikiversity and Wikibooks would (IMHO) want. But if you have an alternative suggestion, tell me about it. I'm all ears. [07:50:57] What is the $wgNamespacesWithSubpages setting on Wikiversity right now? [07:50:58] do wikiversity and wikibooks have subpaging enabled in their main namespaces? [07:51:02] heh [07:51:21] *Splarka tests [07:51:35] I would guess Wikibooks does, they love subpages [07:51:39] Splarka: Try the mega-subpage project - Bloom Clock on Wikiversity by SB_Johnny. [07:52:21] http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Bloom_Clock [07:52:40] http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ALISON/foo <-- subpaging enabled [07:52:48] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page/foo <-- subpaging enabled [07:53:06] so yes, if you disabled it for non-subpaged namespaces, it would behave as they want on v and b [07:53:47] Splarka: so did I pass ;-) [07:54:03] *McCormack knows he isn't really that good a hacker... [07:54:20] but it probably shouldn't show the same relationship between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC/DC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC [07:54:34] and the distinguishment is $wgNamespacesWithSubpages ^_^ [07:54:51] I'm not suggesting we implement it on Wikipedia ;-) !!! [07:55:09] But if you have a line of code for me, I'll happily put it in. [07:55:12] right, but not all wikis that might want to use this, have subpages enabled for all namespaces [07:56:38] *Splarka points to someone that knows php [07:56:55] Splarka: what actually happens if one tries to create a subpage in the mainspace of WP (other than attracting the wrath of an admin...)? [07:57:08] how should he check if $this->title->getNsText() is in $wgNamespacesWithSubpages ? [07:57:44] McCormack: what do you mean? slashes are simply valid (somewhat) characters in article titles [07:58:11] it creates a mostly unrelated page (although it would be found with Prefixindex, as that is simply a prefixindex) [07:58:14] Ah - the answer is that the user simply can't see the difference - ? [07:58:50] there are few instances of that naming scheme used on enwp in main namespace, although: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex/Main_Page [07:59:17] there is an interesting but though [07:59:30] I come back to my previous point: the extension does string checks and doesn't really distinguish at the current point of time. In fact, I think this is good, because wikis out in the wild (away from wikimedia) might well want this extension, but know nothing about enabling mainspace subpages. [07:59:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:AC/DC [07:59:44] They'd wonder why on earth the extension wasn't working for them. [07:59:56] this shouldn't point to Talk:AC but there isn't an easy way to stop it [08:00:12] the talk namespace subpaging is mostly (AFAIK) to allow /archive_1 naming schemes [08:00:13] $wgNamespacesWithSubpagesDisplayInSubPageListExtension is the way to go! [08:00:31] well, maybe a note... [08:00:39] Default value is false; but set to true for WP. [08:01:03] Actually, that should be $wgNamespacesWithOutSubpagesDisplayInSubPageListExtension ... [08:01:04] instead of calling the list "Subpages" you could call it "pages with the same prefix" in such namespaces ^_^ [08:01:19] ;-) [08:01:54] OK - so is my extension good enough to Wikiversity? It's been voted on, and everyone want's it. But is the code good enough? [08:01:55] because they aren't subpages, according to {{SUBPAGENAME}} anyways, and without semantics there is nothing to argue about [08:02:26] heh, well, our discussion scared everyone away who could tell you if it was good enough [08:02:39] Yup... ;-) [08:02:57] *McCormack asks everyone to come back now and tell him if the code is good enough. [08:03:17] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3/SPL3Code is the code. [08:03:43] Werdna: ? [08:03:50] TimStarling: ? [08:07:45] you could at least have it call disableCache() [08:08:10] haven't you noticed any problems with cache updates already? [08:12:53] TimStarling: where should I insert this? And should be be reenabled afterwards? (Sorry - caching really isn't my strong point...) [08:13:18] $parser->disableCache() [08:13:29] and you shouldn't re-enable it [08:13:36] call it in the constructor function [08:15:37] Werdna: thanks; done. [08:19:49] Anything other changes? [08:20:31] have you restricted it to subpaged namespaces? [08:20:50] also, it should probably be localised. [08:21:29] That was the discussion witn Splarka, and I think the answer was no, and the suggestion was to create a $wgThingie which does "no" by default but can be set to "yes". [08:21:44] What does "localisation" mean? Sorry to be thick! [08:22:00] it means that you should not presume that the wiki you're targetting uses english [08:22:35] and, while we don't expect you to know other languages and translate your extension, you should make it easy for others to do so. [08:22:41] Oh - you mean it's not internationalised yet? [08:22:53] heh, werdna: I said he should rename it to PrefixindexTreeView *or* disable it for non-subpaged namespaces, ^_^ [08:22:54] yes. [08:22:54] Yes - I know. And the Greek wikiversity want it as well already. [08:22:58] right. [08:23:10] you're passing your error messages bare. [08:23:21] Splarka: how about the $wgThingie so it does both ;-) [08:23:39] *Splarka shrugs [08:23:40] what you should be doing is adding those to the message cache, and then using wfMsg to get the text you need in the appropriate language. [08:24:35] Internationalisation: can we release a 1.0 version without I18N, and then go with I18N over the next few months? I can have a look at the code of other extensions and see how they do the internationalisation stuff - it's not a problem, other than time. [08:26:10] you should do that before attempting to get it enabled on wikiversity/wikibooks [08:26:26] and then over the next few months, the translators can be writing the translations [08:26:30] I don't know exactly what the official line is, but I would imagine that use on wikimedia projects is conditional on using the MediaWiki internationalisation framework. [08:26:58] (but if you don't you'll have months to do it while the bugzilla request goes untouched, heh heh, only partly kidding) [08:27:33] I noticed with our quiz extension that it was activated before internationalisation. [08:27:46] That was last May. [08:28:03] It was internationalised between June and Sept (roughly). [08:28:49] Yes, but was the interface done properly with messages? [08:29:00] hello [08:29:00] or were the messages hard-coded into the code? [08:29:04] *McCormack is busy writing notes about this discussion onto the MW extension page. [08:29:06] hi :) [08:32:08] I think you'll find that, while the extension didn't have translations between June-September, the extension was using the proper best-practices for internationalisable code. [08:34:43] Werdna: OK. [08:35:19] I'm happy to walk you through getting it sorted. [08:36:28] I've added some notes at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3#Outcomes_of_discussion_on_IRC [08:36:46] I think that internationalisation has top priority. [08:36:58] <_wooz> lo [08:37:16] The rest can probably wait (?) [08:38:08] McCormack: Quick and dirty way to do proper internationalisation: add a new file SubPageList3.i18n.php, and reference it in your main extension file with $wgExtensionMessagesFiles['SubPageList3'] = $dir . 'SubPageList3.i18n.php'; [08:38:11] Werdna: the internationalisation should be pretty easy - there are very few messages. But I'll get stuck into it. Thanks for motivating me. [08:38:29] *McCormack is copying code... [08:39:01] Then, in that file, $messages = array();, $messages['en'] = array( 'code' => 'text' ); [08:39:08] see how it's done in the FlaggedRevs extension. [08:40:02] I'm doing internationalisation of my own extension now, too :P [08:40:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UNCLOS_logo.gif is in use on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNCLOS yet the image pages says no pages are using the image, any idea why? [08:41:14] the job queue might still be a few million behind, try null editing both? [08:41:43] Splarka: I have a bot on enwiki that checks for orphaned fair use images [08:42:05] ahh, a redirect.. [08:42:55] whatlinkshere and imagelinks have trouble seeing through redirects sometimes [08:43:26] what is redirecting? [08:44:42] Werdna: I'm guessing that $dir = dirname(__FILE__) . '/'; is a good idea before using $dir. Well, not quite guessing. Just thinking aloud. [08:44:55] yeah :P [08:45:09] *Werdna just copy-pasted from FlaggedRevs.php [08:47:48] bjweeks: as in, it is loaded from a template as a template's parameter [08:47:55] a null edit to the article made it show up in the category [08:48:06] er, the image file links, even [08:48:14] *Splarka speek engrish goud [08:49:17] Splarka: any way to fix this on a mass scale? [08:49:55] the job queue usually takes care of it all (with a few rare exceptions): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics but it is at 5 million currently [08:50:39] eep [08:50:40] jesus 5 million? lol [08:50:47] don't watch the job queue! [08:50:51] it's so inaccurate [08:51:00] well, that is causing my bot to screw up a lot :/ [08:51:04] Werdna: a dev needs to code something for if the queue ever hits 11 million [08:51:12] yea, my test wiki has a jobqueue of 610 and it doesn't get any visitors [08:51:12] or, rather {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} [08:51:25] then it just needs to clear the queue and add all the pages exactly once ^_^ [08:52:09] Splarka: I assume thet null editing 500 pages an hour isn't a good idea [08:52:31] yeah [08:52:39] please don't null-edit things to try and fix stuff like that [08:52:44] it makes things worse for everybody [08:52:52] indeedy [08:53:14] anything I can do besides just accept the error rate or stop running the bot? [08:53:21] *AaronSchulz finished watching a strange movie [08:53:23] how bad is the error rate? [08:53:38] Werdna: just checking: wfMsg('parameter') is correct for implementing I18N messages? Nothing more? [08:53:52] yeah, unless you want to substitute values in [08:53:53] from the reports I'm getting seems about 1/500 but I assume many more go unreported [08:54:35] the enwiki admins are deleting the tagged images without much checks, so that isn't good [08:57:56] well, disable the bot for now [08:58:11] maybe enwiki can survive without deleting unlicensed images for a day or two [08:58:14] mmm, werdna: is there any way to find the file links on an image even if the queue hasn't caught up? [08:58:26] Splarka: download a database dump and grep? :) [08:58:33] werd: the queue has been like this for days [08:58:43] ouch [08:58:52] *Werdna shrugs. [08:58:55] also, I've seen this bug before [08:59:04] the bots function is not needed but the backlog grows very quickly [08:59:31] an image showed as unused because the template that was transcluding it was a redirect and it was in a [08:59:32] You could talk to Tim, I guess, if it's consistently high. [08:59:41] Werdna: ever see KPAX? Crazy stuff... [08:59:45] nope. [09:00:04] (and the job queue missed it, even after it hit zero it was still unused) [09:00:57] how low should I wait for the queue to get? [09:01:42] well, that depends on throughput, not the size of the queue itself [09:02:22] It could be that we have a job queue of length 5 million, but which can process 250,000 items per second [09:02:33] or a queue of length 1 million, but which can process only 10,000 items per second [09:06:25] re [09:08:38] is there a possibility to enter an array of numbers to a template for parsing? [09:08:45] wernda: or 700 projects that share limited numbers of threads for clearing the queues [09:09:10] for example {{Blah|param=1,2,3}} and then process it with some parsing {{#switch:}}-case or similar? [09:09:29] not really [09:09:37] damn [09:10:04] thanks anyway, i'll make separate cases for all the options [09:10:30] Is the queue still activity-based? The higher the server load, the more it spends working on jobs? [09:12:16] noo idea [09:13:15] TimStarling: Apparently there are issues with links-updating. I'm told the job queue has been consistently high. I know we normally don't pay much attention to the displayed job queue, but apparently this is causing problems with imagelinks and the like being out of date. [09:13:51] ok [09:14:11] (see discussion with bjweeks above) [09:16:47] piksi: you might peek at StringFunctions (if this is not for wikimedia) [09:19:11] Splarka: great, thanks [09:21:51] 14(WFM) MediaWiki deletion fails: deleted twice, deleting wrong article. .. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5333 +comment (10mormegil) [09:21:58] Splarka: how about {{#if:{{{a|}}} or {{{b|}}} | state1 | state2 }} <-- possible ? [09:21:59] Hi i'm looking for a list of special tags that look like {{}} I.e. {{MovedToWikiversity}} [09:22:13] piksi: Just remove the space between them [09:22:30] indeed, or cascade them [09:22:42] {{#if:{{{a|{{{b|}}}}}} [09:23:05] NetEcho: Special:Allpages/Template [09:23:11] NetEcho: try [[Special:Prefixindex/Template:]] [09:23:22] aha thanks werdna and Splarka [09:23:32] but note not all of them may show there: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words [09:23:52] as well as other registered parser hooks (see Special:Version), and pages transcluded from other namespaces [09:29:47] 03(NEW) Name of Category:Hidden categories is translated - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13159 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (codeispoetry) [09:31:54] 03(mod) Name of Category:Hidden categories is translated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13159 +comment (10herd) [09:34:11] oooh TimStarling.... [09:34:15] http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hideme?uselang=de [09:34:52] shoulda used wfMsgForContent('hidden-category-category') ? [09:36:56] 03raymond * r31293 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: * (bug 13159) Use content language for name of Category:Hidden categories [09:37:05] 03(NEW) WAP gateway returns 500 Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13160 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: WAP mobile gateway; (overlordq) [09:37:24] Hello. I do an update of 1.6 to 1.11. I made a total dump (php dumpBackup.php --full --plug=bzip2:fulldump.bz2) since mediawiki software. Is that enough for a move to 1.11, then we must also make a backup from the SQL interface? [09:37:33] damn raymond is fast [09:38:09] sometimes only... [09:38:12] 03(FIXED) Name of Category:Hidden categories is translated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13159 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [09:42:29] too fast for me [09:43:49] dammit [09:43:51] how ironic [09:44:23] somebody asked me a question about special pages the other day, and he figured it out. Now I'm hitting the same problem. [09:44:33] hehe [09:44:35] how do I enable file uploads on a wiki install? [09:44:46] Where am I supposed to specify the special page name? I'm getting Invalid special page name "" [09:44:51] NetEcho: check the FAQW. [09:45:05] $wgEnableUploads = true; [09:45:27] undef(definedterm); [09:47:51] aha [09:47:56] I figured it out. misnamed constructor. [09:48:11] must not have been a union job [09:52:51] is there any way to include an image inside of a 
 tag in wiki editing or is there some other tag that will encapsulate the template like 
?
[09:53:09] 	you can use #tag:pre (if you have a very recent version)
[09:53:17] 	or indent the line (which is another form of 
)
[09:54:05] 	indenting is the way to go i guess. it alloes wiki formatting, wile preserving wrappoing/spacing
[09:54:07] 	ah cool
[09:54:31] 	dues: damn, both hands on keyboard!
[09:54:57] 	neither seem to work
[09:55:07] 	unless there is an indent button
[09:55:20] 	03(NEW) Wrong css for category links in standard skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13161 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (lejonel)
[09:55:28] 	NetEcho: huh? indent button=
[09:55:35] 	NetEcho: just use spaces...
[09:55:45] 	(tab doesn't work in most browsers, nothing we can do about that)
[09:55:46] 	it switches to another field
[09:55:52] 	*space
[09:56:13] 	as i said, literal tabs are not supported by most browsers
[09:56:20] 	(you can copy&past them though)
[09:56:23] 	oh I see
[09:56:26] 	thanks
[09:56:43] 	actually, i'm not sure mediawiki even accepts tabs here. it should, but i vaguely remember being annoyed by the fact that it doesn't
[09:57:53] 	raymond/tim: works! http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hideme?uselang=de&action=purge
[10:02:40] 	hello, someone know how to use same cookies for multiple wikis? I use centralauth and it goes ok, but I have to login in all of the wikies, same user an pass goes ok for all, but I want to login only in one wiki and then be logged in the other wikies
[10:03:14] 	horfulus: same base domain?
[10:05:32] 	no
[10:05:36] 	differents domains
[10:05:54] 	horfulus: you can not share cookies between different domains
[10:06:01] 	yah, that'd be a problem
[10:06:06] 	ohh
[10:06:10] 	you'd have to auth some other way
[10:06:10] 	horfulus: any browser that allows this should be burned with fire.
[10:06:23] 	*or* figure out a way to bounce the user through all your domains and set a cookie on each
[10:06:43] 	like, load all the subdomains in iframes on a page, or via embedded images
[10:06:55] 	maybe openid could help. but then, i don't know enough about it to tell if it will do single-auth
[10:06:58] 	but that probably wouldn't be secure
[10:08:16] 	hmmm
[10:08:37] 	what if there was a multiple login cookiesetter system for MediaWiki...
[10:09:09] 	well, centralauth is experimental, but it goes ok, problem is differents domains
[10:09:32] 	
[10:09:50] 	ewwww
[10:09:52] 	where it sends a temporarily generated hash that the server knows, and then sets the cookie via the image request
[10:09:53] 	using images
[10:10:19] 	and then embeds a rendered message "you are now logged in to someotherdomain.org, happy browsing"
[10:10:21] 	for each domain
[10:10:22] 	and what about $wgCookieDomain ?
[10:11:00] 	03(mod) CIDR ranges api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13157  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[10:11:44] 	horfulus: $wgCookieDomain  is for subdomains.
[10:11:56] 	oh
[10:12:00] 	horfulus: you *can* share cookies across subdomains, optionally
[10:12:19] 	i.e. a cookie fir foo.org will be sent to bla.foo.org too
[10:12:21] 	and writing cookies for each domain?
[10:12:34] 	you can't set a cookie for domain x from domain y.
[10:12:39] 	that would be very very insecure
[10:13:36] 	yes
[10:13:38] 	it is
[10:14:29] 	unless you do it securely ^_^
[10:14:34] 	like via images
[10:14:35] *Splarka 	hides
[10:14:47] 	yes, it's possible
[10:14:56] 	horfulus: a bit of discussion is here http://www.theserverside.com/patterns/thread.tss?thread_id=31258
[10:15:03] 	(i have only glanced at it though)
[10:15:17] 	horfulus: goolge for "cross domain cookie"
[10:15:38] 	hmm
[10:16:53] 	you are so kind
[10:17:00] 	sorry for my bad english
[10:18:10] 	bah, your english is fine
[10:18:25] 	hmmm
[10:18:49] 	then you would use subdomains, but never domains for use same cookies?
[10:19:43] 	right, because you can't get them without an annoying rigamarole
[10:19:59] 	which ultimately involves actually going to the other domain
[10:20:48] 	rigamarole? what is this
[10:21:44] 	convoluted process
[10:21:58] 	why i can't move main page now? why it has been blocked?
[10:22:13] 	O_O
[10:22:22] 	Splarka, nice? O_o
[10:22:26] 	lol
[10:22:53] 	I suppose I'll never hear the end of it
[10:23:21] 	uh, what's the simplest way to do set-substraction in bash?
[10:23:29] 	Warpath: I last said nice like 6 hours ago?
[10:23:37] 	i have two flat files with sorted lists. i need to know the entries that are in one but not the other...
[10:23:42] 	:DD
[10:23:46] 	TimStarling: it seems to me that "Template loop detected" message doesn't have i18n. or am i blind?
[10:23:55] 	a lot of thanks to all
[10:24:06] 	03(mod) Single login (Unified login) on all wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57  (10e.wikipedia)
[10:24:22] 	Danny_B: probably not
[10:25:43] *Danny_B 	is wondering if he should fill a bug about unability to move main page
[10:25:59] 	uff, bug
[10:26:34] 	I'm sure that would make everyone very happy, Danny_B
[10:26:45] *Splarka 	puts beans in his nose
[10:27:00] 	TimStarling: could you take a look on that i18n please whenever you'll have time, pls?
[10:27:14] 	Splarka: nails are better
[10:27:16] 	03(mod) New MediaWiki extensions components - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13047  (10minuteelectron)
[10:29:28] *Warpath 	just cleaned up spam images on mediawiki O_o
[10:32:30] 	03ivanlanin * r31294 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Indonesian (id) localisation updates for 7 exts: CategoryTree, CheckUser, Cite, CrossNamespaceLinks, DeletedContributions, ExpandTemplates.
[10:32:40] 	03(NEW) Support for  tags when loading a boilerplate - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13162 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: MultiBoilerplate; (minuteelectron)
[10:49:18] 	Morning all
[10:50:14] 	Does anyone know if it's possible to rename the 'discussion' tab title on MW?  I've had a look through Special:Allmessages and can't find an appropriate entry
[10:51:30] 	you mean the link text to #ca-edit ?
[10:51:47] 	(which is MediaWiki:Edit )
[10:51:53] 	er
[10:51:59] *Splarka 	starts over
[10:52:02] 	you mean the link text to #ca-talk ?
[10:52:06] 	(which is MediaWiki:Talk )
[10:52:24] 	Probably...
[10:53:04] 	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Talk
[10:53:10] 	Ta
[10:53:53] 	Splarka can confuse anyone 9_9
[10:53:57] 	Cheers muchly - that's the one :)
[10:53:58] 	does anybody use the spellcheck extension in his wiki?
[10:54:04] 	later all.
[10:54:11] 	exit
[10:54:13] 	damnit
[10:54:19] 	No I could
[10:54:42] *Splarka 	gives Warpath some destandardified emoticons
[10:55:26] 	i have the problem that it used to work alright...but now is somehow doesn't but i dunno why...someone who has experience with the extension!?
[10:58:28] 	O_O
[11:09:23] 	am i in the wrong channel!? or is just nobody here who has any experience with spellcheck?! tell me is there a special channel!? anybody?
[11:10:13] 	correct channel, no one unidle and informed 
[11:10:42] 	:(  thx
[11:12:33] 	mondschein: I didn't even know there is one
[11:15:28] 	mhm yeah there is but it doesn't work or like i too dumb to get it going... :( it's wuite useful...so if you have your own wiki you won#t find to many spelling mistakes :)
[11:15:41] 	quite
[11:19:04] 	03(mod) wikibugs-l is using the word "neutral" as the subject for digests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13146  (10N/A)
[11:30:16] 	hi, can someone help me with mediawiki url rewriting ?
[11:31:50] 	Internationalisation anyone? I'm looking at extensions to see how people actually load the messages, and there seem to be many antiquated ways. Is the most up-to-date method to make a simple one line call to wfLoadExtensionMessages ?
[11:33:14] 	McCormack: yes
[11:33:37] 	one per entry point but as late as possible
[11:35:41] 	no one can help me please, after url rewriting all seems to work but when i click on an image to see it bigger i have 404 error, thx
[11:36:17] 	Nikerabbit: thanks.
[11:49:24] 	Hi, can I do a conditional in a template? Testing if a named param has been set, then if (isset{{param}}) echo Hello {{param}}
[11:49:48] 	03ivanlanin * r31295 10/trunk/extensions/ (9 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[11:49:48] 	Indonesian (id) localisation updates for 9 extensions:
[11:49:48] 	* LinkSearch
[11:49:48] 	* LuceneSearch
[11:49:48] 	* Makebot
[11:49:48] 	* Makesysop
[11:49:50] 	* Oversight
[11:50:15] 	The download of mediawiki 1.11.1 on the official site is not working, is there an alternate download mirror where i can get it?
[11:58:51] 	can i somehow specify that one user should receive all information about users that register on a wiki, it should automatically subscribe to all new pages etc ?
[11:59:00] 	i probably should mention that this is still 1.6.10...
[11:59:09] 	can't upgrade because of php version, unfortunately
[12:42:34] 	03werdna * r31296 10/trunk/extensions/Invitations/ (6 files): Finish off Invitations extension by adding interface, bugfixing the (previously completely untested) backend code, updating licensing etc for release, and updating the README with how to use it in your own code.
[12:54:47] 	03siebrand * r31297 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[12:54:47] 	* add descriptionmsg and version to Invitations
[12:54:47] 	* add support for Inviations to Translate
[12:54:47] 	* fix eol-style:native svn property where missing
[12:55:14] 	oh yeah
[12:58:04] 	03siebrand * r31298 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: Add 'invitations-uninvitedlist-item' as ignored.
[13:31:03] 	Werdna: I've made the discussed changes to the subpagelist extension (internationalisation) and uploaded the files to MW (not SVN) for inspection. So I'm ready for the next round of code discussion! Any comments?
[13:31:28] 	03ivanlanin * r31299 10/trunk/extensions/ (19 files in 17 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[13:31:28] 	Indonesian (id) localisation updates for 17 extensions:
[13:31:28] 	* BoardVote
[13:31:28] 	* CentralNotice
[13:31:28] 	* CharInsert
[13:31:29] 	* ConfirmEdit
[13:31:31] 	* DismissableSiteNotice
[13:32:09] 	can i somehow specify that one user should receive all information about users that register on a wiki, it should automatically subscribe to all new pages etc ?
[13:32:10] *McCormack 	is fishing for a dev to look at and criticize http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3/SPL3Code 
[13:37:16] 	McCormack: whoa, well done.
[13:40:44] 	Werdna: I had slightly fewer strings than in your FlaggedRev extension - in fact only 3...
[13:41:24] 	    $page = $dbr->tableName( 'page' ); in function getTitles
[13:41:26] 	appears unused
[13:41:46] 	McCormack: not my extension. Only one I've written is Invitations (I do mostly core work)
[13:43:00] 	Hmm.. If what you did works, fine, but usually, in the interests of not duplicating code, we use Title::newFromText->getNamespace, ->getDBkey
[13:43:02] 	Werdna: unused varuable - yes, you're right (how did you spot it so quickly?!)
[13:43:22] 	Werdna: OK, it's gone. Next?
[13:43:25] 	McCormack: It struck my eye for another reason
[13:43:43] 	    $nsi = Namespace::getCanonicalIndex( strtolower( $this->namespace) );
[13:43:55] 	if you're geting the namespace name from a Title object, you may as well get its index, too
[13:44:03] 	hi
[13:44:05] 	$title->getNs() (not sure, double-check it)
[13:44:06] 	hi vahid 
[13:44:32] 	Yes - probably when I wrote that I was still getting to grips with the Title object.
[13:44:54] 	It might have bugs, but, on a quick check, it looks okay.
[13:45:04] 	If you give me the localisation file, I'll add it to subversion
[13:45:09] 	and then it'll get a lot more scrutiny
[13:47:08] 	Werdna: I can't find getNs() - but if you say so, we can leave it as it is.
[13:47:23] 	No syntax errors detected in SubPageList3.php
[13:47:26] 	well that's a start
[13:47:28] 	:P
[13:47:34] 	Werdna: see  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3/SPL3Codei18n
[13:47:36] 	could be getNamespace
[13:47:59] 	and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SubPageList3/SPL3Code
[13:48:11] 	Both linked under source in the extension box at the top of the page.
[13:48:27] 	I'll just update the latter with that unused variable removal.
[13:48:34] 	Hey I've got a little problem. We've upgraded a wiki from 1.5.2 to 1.6.10 everything went fine, exept for one image. In Special:Newimages there's an error message on the top saying something wrong in Image.php at the line 1190. 
[13:48:46] 	Is there any functionality in the API to get a list of all pages in the wiki, without accessing the database?
[13:48:53] 	don't bother
[13:48:55] 	I'll fix it up
[13:49:13] 	Isnogud: well, you NEED to access the database, but I think you mean without having to access the database yourself
[13:49:17] 	in which case, yes
[13:51:16] 	Werdna: OK. I'll leave this with you then to check and upload to SVN. I'll be off for a while, but you can leave me messages on my talk page or the extension talk. Many thanks!
[13:51:47] 	Werdna: yes. is there any function of the API to just get a list of pages back?
[13:52:17] 	i meant i don't want to access it directly but use the MW API 
[13:52:21] 	gone
[13:55:14] 	Isnogud: yes, check http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[13:55:23] 	you should find list=allpages, or similar
[13:55:29] 	03werdna * r31300 10/trunk/extensions/SubPageList3/ (. SubPageList3.i18n.php SubPageList3.php): 
[13:55:29] 	Add SubPageList3 extension, by James McCormack. Extension is designed to provide
[13:55:29] 	a wikitext tag to include a list of subpages of a certain page. Intended for use
[13:55:29] 	on Wikiversities and Wikibooks, as those wikis make extensive use of subpaging,
[13:55:30] 	and Special:Prefixindex is less efficient, and causes cache incoherency.
[13:55:44] 	McCormack: That will be one cookie
[14:00:09] 	Werdna: many thanks. So now that it is on SVN, what's the next step to it going live for Wikiversity? Or is that it? 
[14:00:16] 	bugzilla.
[14:00:27] 	OK.
[14:01:03] 	"Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity"
[14:01:08] 	keywords: shell
[14:03:50] 	03(mod) Unable to unprotect pages protected with earlier versions of MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13132  (10rotemliss)
[14:04:03] 	03(NEW) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (mccormack)
[14:04:32] 	Werdna: done! Many thanks, and bye for now.
[14:04:42] 	Werdna: Well. i more thougt about accessing them not through api.php but using the methods of the MW.
[14:04:43] 	:)
[14:04:54] 	Isnogud: use the api.
[14:05:58] 	But then i would have to make an fsockopen to access api.php what in my eyes seems a little bit uncomfortable.
[14:05:59] 	Isnogud: what's wrong with this? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?list=allpages&action=query&aplimit=500
[14:06:25] 	well. i would have to open a socket, then write in a XML file. read the contents again.
[14:07:19] 	well, depends
[14:07:26] 	Werdna: I want to write a function that automatically renames ALL pages. Main_Page also. so i need to get a list.
[14:07:28] 	do you want a list of all 5 million pages on enwiki?
[14:07:35] 	no.
[14:07:44] 	then what do you want?
[14:07:53] 	it's part of our extension. i don't want to ever touch enwiki
[14:08:11] 	oh, you want it from in an extension
[14:08:16] 	yes.
[14:08:39] 	well, best way is $dbr->select( 'page', array( 'fields', 'you', 'want') );
[14:09:04] 	i could also directly access the page table, but since it is NOT guaranteed that the table names change i thought it may be better to use a MW function for that.
[14:09:33] 	ain't no MW function. If you want to see how to do it, look at SpecialAllpages.php
[14:09:46] 	well, that would mean to access the database directly. I already looked at it. 
[14:10:03] 	well, if there were a better way, Special:Allpags would use it.
[14:10:03] 	but the SpecialAllpages is a MW maintained place. 
[14:10:30] 	I think you can be fairly safe in betting that you will be able to do that query for many versions to come
[14:10:44] 	we tend to consider backwards-compatibility with extensions when we make changes like that
[14:10:45] 	Well, i just thought, if you ever ask in here smthg. about accessing the database directly, you here "Don't do that ever, since we may change it"
[14:11:26] 	fair enough. so i will do that.
[14:11:36] 	:)
[14:11:38] *Werdna 	goes to sleep
[14:11:57] 	good night ... 
[14:15:19] 	03yaron * r31301 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_HistoricalDate.php: New class for date functions, heavily based on code written by Terry Hurlbut
[14:17:31] 	03rotem * r31302 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[14:20:56] 	03yaron * r31303 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_ParserFunctions.php: 
[14:20:56] 	Switch calendar creation to use new SCHistoricalDate class, instead of
[14:20:56] 	PHP's date functions; removed now-unnecessary error-handling for dates
[14:21:40] 	03yaron * r31304 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_GlobalFunctions.php: Removed scfDaysInMonth() function - no longer necessary
[14:22:17] 	03yaron * r31305 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/includes/SC_Settings.php: Absolute paths are better for includes
[14:23:53] 	03yaron * r31306 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/languages/SC_Messages.php: 
[14:23:53] 	Removed the error messages relating to out-of-bounds years - no longer
[14:23:53] 	necessary, now that the date handling has been improved; apologies to
[14:23:53] 	translators for making you do the extra work.
[14:24:34] 	03yaron * r31307 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/README: Added contributor
[14:24:46] 	03yaron * r31308 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticCalendar/INSTALL: New version: 0.2
[14:25:37] 	Hi
[14:26:12] 	I'm looking for nice function which will do that same for regular article what wfMsg is doing for MediaWiki namespace messages. I mean parse it and replace arguments.
[14:27:32] 	Please read my message not as a just information what I'm doing now but as a help request ;)
[14:31:58] 	03shinjiman * r31309 10/trunk/extensions/Nuke/SpecialNuke.i18n.php: update Cantonese and Chinese translations for Nuke
[14:35:31] 	(hoping i'm not repeating this too often ;) ) - can i somehow specify that one user should receive all information about users that register on a wiki, it should automatically subscribe to all new pages etc ?
[14:39:29] 	Inez: there isn't one
[14:39:36] 	nothing to stop you from writing it though
[14:39:40] 	03(NEW) Magic words interpreted in links - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13164 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (seb.beyou)
[14:45:02] 	a generalized message system woujld be nice anyway
[14:45:11] 	03(NEW) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (guillom.pom)
[14:45:20] 	for on-wiki config stuff, for example (gadgets, sidebar, ...)
[14:45:26] 	03(mod) Display length of sound in min: sec instead of height x width when viewing an image page for a sound file - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3567  +comment (10seb.beyou)
[14:46:09] 	03(NEW) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (bacher)
[14:46:28] 	03(FIXED) Display length of sound in min: sec instead of height x width when viewing an image page for a sound file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3567  +comment (10tstarling)
[14:52:07] 	03siebrand * r31310 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:52:07] 	* fix indentation for SubpageList3
[14:52:07] 	* add support for SubpageList3 to Translate
[14:53:14] 	So. Finally wrote the bug report asking for the new Hook in the MW Title Class. Thank you for your help TimStarling. I am really hopeful to see this feature.
[14:56:58] 	hmm
[14:57:15] 	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/SubPageList3/SubPageList3.php?r1=31300&r2=31310 - that is not an "indentation fix" to me...
[15:02:38] 	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10raimond.spekking)
[15:06:19] 	if i do `php update.php --quick` from phpshell, i got this error message: "This script must be run from the command line"
[15:06:37] 	am i doing something wrong or is the update script buggy?
[15:07:05] 	misbehaving is probably a better word than buggy in this context
[15:07:11] 	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  +comment (10guillom.pom)
[15:26:51] 	03shinjiman * r31311 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[15:26:51] 	* Update Chinese translations
[15:26:51] 	* Update Cantonese translations
[15:26:51] 	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[15:31:13] 	mlaci: re-run the web installer instead
[15:31:18] 	config/index.php
[15:37:29] 	TimStarling: yeah, i can re-run the web installer, but i'd rather prefer using the command line method. the update wiki page shouldn't mention the phpshell update method if it doesn't actually work
[15:47:46] 	is it possible for editors to create expandable/collapsable text using the wiki syntax?
[15:47:47] 	14(INVALID) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:49:04] 	hi i'm trying to change the style of the autonumberings by # in lists. can't find it in main.css dunno what to searhc for
[15:49:12] 	i see that editors can do it using html/css but i was hoping that there would be a way to do it using a simpler wiki syntax
[15:54:10] 	03(NEW) Add a wikitable-style default CSS file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13167 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryStepper; (minuteelectron)
[15:54:59] 	anyone here has some experience in the image system of mediawiki?
[15:55:09] 	04(REOPENED) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  +comment (10guillom.pom)
[15:55:50] 	solved my prob. thanks anyway
[15:58:43] 	inazrul: is this what you want? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hidden
[16:04:33] 	skiidoo: Yes, it is very close to what i'm looking for. A perfect implementation would be like this: http://organact.mine.nu/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=wiki:playground 
[16:04:38] 	03(mod) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[16:04:40] 	I'm guessting that since Wikipedia has it, that systax is included from the get-go in MediaWiki. Or, will I need an extension.
[16:06:08] 	the only difference is that Template:Hidden seems to be for navigation. 
[16:06:29] 	inazrul: I don't know dukuwiki that good. From what I can see, the feature comes from a plugin. And from what I see in MediaWiki (trough the WP link I pointed you at), there is no need of such a plugin since you can achieve the same effect using a template. Which is IMHO far more customisable.
[16:07:18] 	I mean, I don't know how configurable is the dokuwiki plugin, but I guess that the templating system from MediaWiki allows you to do anything you want, since it just allows any HTML/CSS/JavaScript code you wanna use.
[16:07:58] 	03(mod) Increase Commons file size upload limit to 40MB - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12595  +comment (10lar)
[16:08:11] 	Raymond_, you around ?
[16:08:20] 	guillom: a little bit
[16:08:24] 	ok
[16:09:16] 	Raymond_, thank you for pointing to the password reset extension ; i have a little question about it, so i prefer to ask you directly rather than through the bug
[16:09:34] 	guillom: sure. ask :)
[16:09:36] 	when the "reset" occur, is it a random password or a password chosen by the one who resets it ?
[16:09:51] 	let me check the source
[16:10:03] 	because if it's a random password, it would be difficult to reopen the account later
[16:10:49] 	thanks
[16:10:55] 	guillom: from the i18n file: "(sets an invalid password hash - user can\'t login)"
[16:11:02] 	erm
[16:11:42] 	so it's a definitive password scrambling
[16:11:48] 	yes
[16:11:59] 	ok, i'm going to reply in the bug then :)
[16:12:01] 	thank you
[16:12:06] 	you are welcome :)
[16:12:11] 	skiidoo: You're right, dokuwiki does implement that through a plugin. I was just using that as an example of the desired end result I wanted. I'll play around with the Template you pointed out. I hope it can be used for more than just a navigation box
[16:12:19] 	known bug that inside  cannot substitute templates (or at least in fiwiki {{#time: G:H}} and {{subst:#time: G:H}} works, but {{subst:#time: G:H}} doesn't)?
[16:14:23] 	inazrul: as I said, any templates just transcludes some HTML/CSS/JavaScript, so it's up to you to build the template that will provide the effect you're wanting :)
[16:14:28] 	did anyone tinker with the CSS lately?
[16:14:42] 	because the category tags (in Classic) are now displaying in a very ugly way
[16:15:01] 	skiidoo: thank you very much for your help
[16:15:07] 	I would look myself, but I have no idea where to look, or for that matter what to look *for*
[16:15:35] 	inazrul: why did you leave, I was about to hilight you again and again! ;o)
[16:16:54] 	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[16:17:04] 	Agony: well yeah, even the new preprocessor is full of backwards compatibility nonsense
[16:17:17] 	hello all
[16:17:27] 	I can make that work easily enough, you just have to choose two other things you want simultaneously broken
[16:17:30] 	I was wondering if someone could point me to the right direction of a solution
[16:18:17] 	TimStarling: I have a question for you.
[16:18:29] 	I have a parser function that returns HTML .
[16:18:50] 	let me guess, is it being screwed up by doBlockLevels()?
[16:19:00] 	"\n\n"
[16:19:11] 	I think it's in doBlockLevels(), lemme check
[16:19:14] 	yeah, here's the solution: don't use line breaks
[16:19:38] 	you don't really need them in HTML anyway
[16:19:40] 	No linebreaks in the HTML returned by the parser function?
[16:19:43] 	03(mod) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  (10guillom.pom)
[16:19:48] 	right
[16:19:58] 	Anyone here got some experience in the image system of mediawiki?
[16:20:28] 	things screwed up a little =/
[16:20:46] 	!ask
[16:20:46] --mwbot--	Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:21:01] 	all stripped HTML needs to be armoured against the doBlockLevels() pass, this is a long-standing bug
[16:21:02] 	I already had such a feeling
[16:21:06] 	http://pastebin.ca/919095
[16:21:07] 	:P
[16:21:30] 	TimStarling: OK, I'll give it a try
[16:21:37] 	Since I upgraded from 1.10.1 to 1.11.1, my images screwed up, specificly the thumbnails
[16:21:57] 	It seems to be prepending a "\n\n" before the text, no matter what
[16:22:03] 	When a picture is resized smaller on a page because else its too big, it says: Error creating thumbnail: Unable to create destination directory
[16:22:07] 	But maybe I'm not reading the code correctly
[16:22:26] 	and hell I checked all eprmissions, folders and stuff
[16:22:32] 	in the input, or the output?
[16:22:44] 	how you mean?
[16:22:53] 	TimStarling: in the above-pastebinned code
[16:23:01] 	Hey TimStarling, I've been meaning to ask you. Why did you remove {{#rand: }} from ParserFunctions?
[16:23:05] 	http://pastebin.ca/919095
[16:23:07] 	not you Agility, e_s_p
[16:23:30] 	Agility: it's almost 100% surely a permissions problem
[16:23:45] 	uh huh
[16:23:54] 	checked everything
[16:23:57] 	well, stripping line breaks won't help you much there
[16:24:04] 	TimStarling: ok, I inform fiwiki that ATM substitution inside ref is disabled
[16:24:12] 	you could add an extra flag in the return value though
[16:24:16] 	Right
[16:24:25] 	Like, "This is inline HTML, not block-level"
[16:24:35] 	obviously it's some hack to prevent some hack breaking some other hack
[16:24:35] 	It could also be a flag on the parser function hook
[16:24:40] 	Someone tinkered with the CSS or the JS or something in en.wp, and now the category tags in the Classic skin are displaying in a very ugly way. Any ideas?
[16:24:48] *Dragonfly6-7 	takes off all my clothes.
[16:24:56] 	(don't use Classic skin)
[16:26:18] 	don't call it a block-level flag
[16:26:19] 	has any one tried moving a wiki from one server to another
[16:26:34] 	Yeah
[16:26:35] 	and when they open up the main page the content is just a long string of characters
[16:26:38] 	whobutsb: yes
[16:26:43] 	Although I don't think it was done right
[16:26:48] 	just name the flag after precisely what it does
[16:26:54] 	whobutsb: all main pages are long strings of characters
[16:27:00] 	TimStarling: gotcha
[16:27:04] 	why is that?
[16:27:07] 	I'm going to check and see if this is a known bug
[16:27:15] 	it's not a bug
[16:27:16] 	whobutsb: I think you mean a random string of characters
[16:27:24] 	like I said, it's a hack to stop a hack breaking another hack
[16:27:29] 	the headers are still intact
[16:27:38] 	just the content seems to be all screwed up
[16:27:46] 	is it a database encoding problem?
[16:27:49] 	calling it a bug might make some newbie developer "fix" it and break whatever it was put in there in the first place to fix
[16:28:03] 	whobutsb: yes, you need to look at the --hex-dump command-line option for mysqldump
[16:28:17] 	oh ok
[16:28:32] 	whobutsb: I bet you a beer that's the problem
[16:28:32] 	Can I do a MySQL Dump with Cocoa MySQL?
[16:28:41] 	whobutsb: no idea.
[16:28:45] 	hmm
[16:28:48] 	phpmyadmin?
[16:28:57] 	whobutsb: yes
[16:29:18] 	Agility: I have a feeling I have heard that before somewhere
[16:29:32] 	alright I will give that a try 
[16:29:35] 	Hi! I'm setting up a special purpose wiki. in it i want to use a (simple) template from another wiki. however, i'm not getting it to work. There's no nested templates, i found out it needed ParserFunctions.php, so i loaded that. but it's still in need of something!
[16:29:37] 	I think it's one of those bugs that always gets answered at the support level and nobody ever reports as a bug
[16:29:42] 	Can anybody tell me how i find out what other extensions to load?  (HTML shows up on the page: http://pure-2.demon.nl/wiki/PDF )
[16:33:14] 	hey e_s_p what kind of setting should I be on the look out for?>
[16:33:32] 	is it possible to downgrade a wiki?
[16:33:32] 	Mal: One good trick is to go to the page Special:Version on the source wiki and see what extensions are installed there
[16:34:00] 	whobutsb: --hex-dump on the command line, I believe
[16:34:19] 	Something like "encode non-ASCII characters in blobs as hexadecimal" or something like that in phpmyadmin
[16:34:39] 	ok...thanks a bunch for the help
[16:35:05] 	whobutsb: whoops, I mean --hex-blob
[16:35:11] 	sorry one more question could I do this dump in MySQL Query Browser ?
[16:35:17] 	or the migration tool kit?
[16:35:22] 	No idea
[16:37:48] 	e_s_p: thanks, i did that, that's how i find out about ParserFunctions.php. i have no more obvious (to me) candidates. i even might be on a wrong track... 
[16:38:21] 	Mal: at this point I'd probably ask the people running the source wiki
[16:39:39] 	source is dutch wikipedia.  thanks though, i'll give it a go ;)
[16:43:22] 	e_s_p - I *like* Classic skin. Any idea what happened, and/or how to fix it?
[16:43:33] *Dragonfly6-7 	is no longer naked, by the way
[16:44:30] 	Dragonfly6-7: No, I have no idea what happened or how to fix it. It's just the old doctor joke: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."
[16:46:08] 	e_s_p - ever see the Simpsons episode where Homer is listening to Garrison Keillor on the radio, and he starts hitting the radio and saying "BE FUNNY" ?
[16:49:40] 	Dragonfly6-7: har! Unfortunately, it didn't work with Garrison Keillor. Listen: I'm sorry your category links aren't working, and I probably think that checking the recent history of the common.css article on en.wp is a good first place to see what went wrong.
[16:50:41] 	(Is it common.css? Or something else? I forget.)
[16:51:37] 	e_s_p - I know what the initials in "CSS" mean, and I have a general idea of what it's for
[16:51:42] 	and that's pretty much it
[16:52:01] 	although I *did* check the most recent diff in commons.css, and it seems to be something about infoboxes
[16:52:36] 	Dragonfly6-7: yeah, same here
[16:53:05] 	and Classic.css seems to have been deleted last April
[16:53:20] 	Dragonfly6-7: so maybe something happened with another file
[16:53:29] 	Let's see...
[16:54:48] 	hm. Maybe Standard.css ?
[16:55:13] 	no, last edit in November
[16:56:23] 	03catrope * r31312 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php): (bug 13157) Adding ucuserprefix parameter to list=usercontribs
[16:56:53] 	CIA-43 - I disagree
[16:58:11] 	03simetrical * r31313 10/trunk/extensions/Invitations/Invitations.php: 
[16:58:11] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in extensions/Invitations/Invitations.php on line 15
[16:58:11] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in extensions/Invitations/Invitations.php on line 16
[16:58:11] 	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING, expecting ')' in extensions/Invitations/Invitations.php on line 32
[17:07:12] 	hi
[17:09:03] 	Dragonfly6-7, what happened to Classic skin?\
[17:16:18] 	Dragonfly6-7, Simetrical: my guess is TimStarling's latest change to shared.css and related code changes for category pages
[17:16:47] 	Well, what's the observed effect?
[17:16:49] 	Category-related, and recent (25 Feb)
[17:17:07] 	Simetrical: apparently some weirdness in the layout of category links in the Classic skin on en.wp
[17:17:14] 	Simetrical - sorry, I was washing dishes
[17:17:15] 	Oh, then definitely that.
[17:17:49] 	they're displaying much larger, and in the wrong place
[17:18:21] 	Dragonfly6-7: probably be nice to post a bug, I guess
[17:18:36] 	e_s_p - I have no idea how I would go about doing that
[17:19:21] 	Dragonfly6-7: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
[17:20:53] 	03simetrical * r31314 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Linker.php): Add new hook ImageBeforeProduceHTML, per request on Wikitech-l. If it sucks or is broken, please revert or fix. :)
[17:21:35] 	I really don't want to go to the trouble of registering
[17:21:38] 	can you handle it for me?
[17:21:54] 	I'm working on *content*
[17:22:41] 	03simetrical * r31315 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: RELEASE-NOTES
[17:25:11] 	I have huge strange problem, all the pages in my wiki disappeared
[17:26:08] 	they are still in the database but when I try to view them I get "There is currently no text in this page,"
[17:26:15] 	anyone knows anything that can help me fix it?
[17:26:54] 	e_s_p: hmm.. no luck in #wikipedia-nl it should work...
[17:32:29] 	Are there any plans in the works to add edit functionality back to the API? My client has a need to have it functional by April 1
[17:32:46] 	what is the best way to rename associative key in a php array?
[17:32:49] 	If there's anything I / We can do to help speed things along, please contact me via private message
[17:37:54] 	Nikerabbit: $ar[ 'newname' ] = $ar[ 'oldname' ]; unset( $ar[ 'oldname' ] ); ?
[17:40:06] 	no one?:(
[17:40:17] 	nakeee - apparently not
[17:40:31] 	MinuteElectron: order should not change
[17:48:02] 	угомоните [[Служебная:Contributions/213.227.225.57]]
[17:48:34] 	03tstarling * r31316 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 5 dirs): catlinks is not a single paragraph anymore
[17:49:56] 	woah wrong channel sorry
[17:51:12] 	oh man... there are about two places on SOC for 100 applications?!
[17:54:57] 	Nikerabbit: that's a good question...
[17:56:59] 	hello
[17:57:04] 	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  (10bacher)
[17:57:51] 	can somebody tell me why I could use Special:Newpages as a template, but Special:Whatlinkshere not?
[18:01:08] 	Nikerabbit: foreach ($old as $k => $v) { if ($k == $keyToReplace) { $new[$replacement] = $v; } else { $new[$k] = $v; }}
[18:01:16] 	Nikerabbit: but I find that unsatisfying
[18:07:17] 	is '.' invalid in html id:s ?
[18:07:30] 	03(mod) Problem creating image thumbnails in 1.11 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12970  +comment (10tstarling)
[18:14:28] 	Hi! I'm setting up a special purpose wiki. I want to use a (simple) template from another wiki. however, i'm not getting it to work. There's no nested templates, and i already installed ParserFunctions.php, but it's still not quite right: (HTML shows up on the page: http://pure-2.demon.nl/wiki/PDF ) What to do? Where to look?
[18:21:19] 	03raymond * r31317 10/trunk/extensions/PasswordReset/PasswordReset.i18n.php: fix error from r30970.
[18:26:23] 	is there way to trace every function call?
[18:27:22] 	Nikerabbit: http://noc.wikimedia.org/~tstarling/magic_segfault_tracker.php.html
[18:27:52] 	03(FIXED) Wrong css for category links in standard skin - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13161  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:28:19] 	uh
[18:34:26] 	hello. If i want to edit pages via API do i have to use that ApiEdit_Vodafone branch?
[18:34:55] 	03(NEW) Possibility to get List where Value is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13169 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (dasch_87)
[18:34:58] 	and what about the files in SVN, do they completely replace an existing mediawiki?
[18:35:33] 	flo__: first question : yes, second : no
[18:38:44] 	ialex: thx. You want to explain answer 2 further ?!! :)
[18:40:22] 	What would be the best forum to ask a question about an apparent problem with mediawiki's exif tag support and gps coordinates? The mailing list???
[18:41:28] 	ialex: replace api/ directory?
[18:42:00] 	flo__: API edit part that is already implemented doesn't contain all functionalities of MediaWiki, like edition of pages or modification of rights, you can see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API for more information
[18:42:24] 	JollyPH: it's usually more helpful to ask/say what's wrong then ask about asking
[18:42:45] 	ialex: of course i know that page(s)
[18:43:02] 	hey e_s_p great news!
[18:43:09] 	I managed to move the database over
[18:43:22] 	thank you very much for your help!
[18:44:25] 	14(WFM) WAP gateway returns 500 Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13160  +comment (10overlordq)
[18:44:39] 	whobutsb: glad to hear it
[18:44:55] 	whobutsb: it'd be nice to update the FAQ with that info, if it's not there already
[18:44:55] 	mind if I ask another question?
[18:45:01] 	It comes up pretty often
[18:45:18] 	the trick was the dump
[18:45:25] 	I have installed mediawiki and uploaded a jpg that has been geotaged with gps coordinates. Ive verified with a 3rd party app that the gps coords are in the jpgs exif data. The problem is that mediawiki does not display the gps coordinates. Under "extended details" it shows the text string "North latitude" in the "North or South Latitude" field rather than the numerical coordinates. What could I be doing wrong?
[18:45:40] 	i was using cocoa mysql which kept spitting out the long blob string
[18:45:46] 	and not the actual text
[18:45:47] 	Argh!  $wgUseTidy=true; did the trick! what a horror! :D
[18:46:01] 	so I used MySQL Administrator Backup Feature instead
[18:46:15] 	and that did a perfect mirror of the database
[18:47:52] 	I have one more question though about permissions
[18:48:12] 	I would like to step up the wiki so that only registered users can edit pages
[18:48:24] 	but anyone can write in the discussion
[18:49:11] 	I found the value i needed to change but it said that I need to have anonymous editing on in order to allow people to post to the discussion?
[18:49:22] 	is there an alternate preference I would need to change?
[18:50:55] 	whobutsb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNamespaceProtection
[18:54:41] 	I have installed mediawiki and uploaded a jpg that has been geotaged with gps coordinates. Ive verified with a 3rd party app that the gps coords are in the jpgs exif data. The problem is that mediawiki does not display the gps coordinates. Under "extended details" it shows the text string "North latitude" in the "North or South Latitude" field rather than the numerical coordinates. What could I be doing wrong? Here is a screenshot of the problem: http://
[18:57:16] 	your link got cut off
[18:57:29] 	i saw that ... one sec
[18:58:55] 	03(mod) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  (10raimond.spekking)
[19:02:13] 	here is the correct screenshot: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8307/newpicturedl7.png (i hope ...)
[19:04:51] 	as you can see its displaying text strings instead of actual numerical gps coords
[19:14:01] 	JollyPH: that's what it's supposed to be
[19:14:31] 	so why arnt there any entires with the specific numeric coordinates?
[19:14:51] 	Knowing that the image was taken in the northen hemisphere is rather vague
[19:15:48] 	*shrug*
[19:15:54] 	that's what those two respective fields are
[19:22:16] 	!debug | OverlordQ
[19:22:16] --mwbot--	OverlordQ: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see .
[19:24:16] 	strange, have profiling on, but Exif.php never output anything to the log
[19:33:54] 	Would anyone be able to give me some pointers in opening up the discussion/talk page so that all users (including anonymous) be able to contribute but make it so that only registered users can contribute?
[19:34:14] 	Are there any plans in the works to add edit functionality back to the API?
[19:35:22] 	AphelionZ: there's ongoing work to that effect in a branch
[19:35:42] 	whobutsb: you just contradicted yourself
[19:36:06] 	brion: may I private message you?
[19:36:16] 	sure why not
[19:36:25] 	Sorry about that 
[19:36:40] 	I meant only registered users can add pages
[19:36:51] 	but anyone is free to add/edit in the discussion page
[19:37:08] 	Im having a tough time with the permission settings
[19:41:11] 	test
[19:46:32] 	03(FIXED) Impossible to close an account properly on a private wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13165  +comment (10guillom.pom)
[19:47:23] 	OverlordQ: I was disconnected
[19:47:57] 	03(NEW) Namespace-based category specification - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13170 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryStepper; (minuteelectron)
[19:49:02] 	hello, how can I insert a picture that's not on my own webspace into my wiki?
[19:49:38] 	03(NEW) Namespace-based boilerplate listing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13171 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: MultiBoilerplate; (minuteelectron)
[19:52:27] 	I seem to be striking out on the short URL thing.  
[19:52:52] 	hello, how can I insert a picture that's not on my own webspace into my wiki?
[19:53:44] 	!repeat | teaa 
[19:53:44] --mwbot--	teaa: Please do not repeat yourself too often. If little conversation has occurred since your last message, then it is likely no one has an answer or someone who does hasn't looked in IRC yet. You risk annoying people if you incessantly repeat yourself.
[19:54:10] 	We have PHP as an apache 2 module and the wiki is in a subdirectory with no root access...
[19:54:24] 	Does anyone know what the permission extensions are to set up a wiki so that everyone  (*) can contribute to the discussions, but only registered members can create and edit wiki pages?
[19:54:28] 	!c wgAllowExternalImages | teaa 
[19:54:28] --mwbot--	teaa: I don't know anything about "c". You might try: !adminsettings !bizzwiki !centralauth !cms !csshideheader !debug !dpl !dumphtml !extranamespace !feeds !gnu !imagemagic !install !interwiki !ldap !renameuser !rewriteproblems !smtp !threads !webrequest 
[19:54:32] 	!e wgAllowExternalImages | teaa 
[19:54:32] --mwbot--	teaa: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:wgAllowExternalImages
[19:54:35] 	bah
[19:54:39] 	!conf wgAllowExternalImages | teaa 
[19:54:39] --mwbot--	teaa: I don't know anything about "conf". You might try: !adminsettings !bugzilla !captcha !config !css !enotif !images !importsources !install !logo !mime !package !safemode !smtp !thumb !timezone !uploads !userapproval 
[19:54:44] 	:@
[19:54:53] 	!wg wgAllowExternalImages
[19:54:53] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgwgAllowExternalImages
[19:54:56] 	:@yeah
[19:55:07] 	-wg
[19:55:16] 	!shorturl
[19:55:16] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[19:55:25] 	03siebrand * r31318 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (29 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-26 20:45 CET)
[19:58:13] 	hm shall I  set $wgAllowExternalImages=true; in my LocalSettings.php???
[19:58:36] 	03(mod) Unable to unprotect pages protected with earlier versions of MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13132  (10huji.huji)
[19:58:39] 	and than just insert an URL and it's automatically converted to an image???
[19:58:48] 	JollyPH: Yea I do believe it's a bug after digging through the code
[19:59:00] 	!rewriteproblem
[19:59:00] --mwbot--	1) Try  as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[20:01:43] 	03siebrand * r31319 10/trunk/extensions/ (47 files in 47 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-02-26 20:45 CET)
[20:01:46] 	Hello,  I am having a problem accessing the English version of Wikipedia.  I keep getting timed out issues 
[20:02:40] 	I can access other languages but not english
[20:03:58] 	JediSenshi: i think #wikimedia-tech is better for this
[20:04:37] 	how do I access that
[20:05:02] 	are there any modules out there that will insert text based on a certain tag, rather than linking to another page?
[20:05:24] 	if there's a link, click on it, otherwise type /join #wikimedia-tech
[20:05:45] 	03(NEW) EXIF handling ignores tags with Count >= 1 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13172 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (overlordq)
[20:05:48] 	thanks
[20:06:17] 	I think I need something like a template, but a way to actually insert full article text
[20:06:36] 	it's odd that I can't find the answer to this online but are mediawikis accessible via some flavour of webservice ?
[20:07:28] 	the only reference I could find was xml-rpc discussion from 2002 on meta
[20:07:34] 	maxp, just transclude the article-> {{:}}
[20:07:39] 	ivarv, there is an api
[20:08:20] 	Wiredtape, ahh.. ok. that's what I was looking for..
[20:08:25] 	!api
[20:08:25] --mwbot--	The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
[20:09:11] 	Okay, I can get short URL's to work, but when you go to edit a page, it tries to edit index.php
[20:10:24] 	aBSDaemon, check your $wgArticlePath, $wgScriptPath and htaccess
[20:11:53] 	I have.  I'm playing with .htaccess.  I don't think the pages have been updated with 1.11
[20:12:17] 	what do you mean?
[20:13:52] 	The examples all show the old way of index.php?title intestead of index.php/title
[20:14:55] 	that, and this FTP client sucks
[20:16:03] 	still not getting the issue :)
[20:17:08] 	Well, I don't know where it is
[20:17:27] 	When the possbilities are in 3 different places, it's hard to trouble shoot
[20:18:58] 	i don't understand what you mean by pages not being updated with 1.11
[20:20:21] 	The examples of .htacess rewrite rules show the URL being /index.php?title=Page_Name.   in 1.11 that's changed, no longer see the .php?title part.  It goes /index.php/Page_Name
[20:21:17] 	So that's throwing off some of the mod rewrite rules.  The only rule that works is PHP as CGI and that will only display pages.  When you go to edit a page, you get a index.php doesn't exist, want to create it?
[20:21:18] 	it's either/or, it's still just using GET for index.php
[20:22:47] 	and obviously you're getting this error because when you try to access index.php?title=&action=edit , title name is set to index.php , which would probably be one of the localsettings variables..
[20:22:56] 	anyway, good luck, i have to go now.. :)
[20:29:30] 	03minuteelectron * r31320 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
[20:29:30] 	* Further clean up of MultiBoilerplate and CategoryStepper extensions.
[20:29:30] 	* Added README files for both.
[20:29:30] 	* CategoryStepper now has a default CSS style.
[20:29:30] 	* Replace regular expression in favour of ltrim().
[20:30:38] 	03(mod) Add a wikitable-style default CSS file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13167  (10minuteelectron)
[20:36:18] 	03grondin * r31321 10/trunk/extensions/SpamRegex/ (SpamRegex.i18n.php SpecialSpamRegex.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:41:33] 	03rotem * r31322 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php includes/Title.php): 
[20:41:33] 	(bug 13132) Unable to unprotect pages protected with earlier versions of MediaWiki
[20:41:33] 	* Replacing the fix for (bug 12716) Unprotecting a non-protected page leaves a log entry
[20:42:12] 	03(mod) Allow title for new comments to come from the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13100  (10md5)
[20:52:20] 	03(FIXED) Unable to unprotect pages protected with earlier versions of MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13132  +comment (10rotemliss)
[20:52:54] 	03grondin * r31323 10/trunk/extensions/TodoTasks/ (SpecialTaskList.i18n.php SpecialTaskList.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[20:53:23] 	Does anyone know what the permission extensions are to set up a wiki so that everyone  (*) can contribute to the discussions, but only registered members can create and edit wiki pages?
[20:59:00] 	03grondin * r31324 10/trunk/extensions/UnicodeConverter/ (UnicodeConverter.i18n.php UnicodeConverter.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[21:01:12] 	I'm working on my first extension and running into some problems, http://pastebin.com/m2e8089bf if you care to look
[21:02:06] 	aBSDaemon: what seams to be the issue?
[21:02:31] 	firstly, add a [] after the $wgHooks[ 'PersonalUrls']
[21:03:03] 	I get an error saying can't send headers.
[21:04:12] 	so "$wgHooks['PersonalUrls'][]?
[21:06:10] 	Hello everyone 
[21:06:38] 	aBSDaemon: yes
[21:06:50] 	Do I have to use $dbw->begin() and $dbw->commit() when writing to InnoDB tables?
[21:07:43] 	no
[21:08:03] 	MW will commit itself at the end of the request
[21:08:03] 	you can, but you don't have to afaik
[21:08:28] 	I see that in mw's own code base it's not done, but if I don't do it in my own code, nothing gets written to the db
[21:09:50] 	03nikerabbit * r31325 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * Support branches for core messages
[21:11:34] 	well, that still doesn't work.  I need to set the "Create an Account" on the log in page to a static URL
[21:12:31] 	03(mod) Unable to unprotect pages protected with earlier versions of MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13132  (10brion)
[21:13:04] 	My attempt at an extension, creates a static link on the "create an account" page
[21:15:43] 	03(WONTFIX) Length of title can only be 255 chars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13057  +comment (10brion)
[21:16:57] 	03dale * r31326 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/README: updated readme
[21:19:05] 	03(mod) Allow Special: Unwatchedpages to display the list of pages by prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13062  (10brion)
[21:21:25] 	03(WONTFIX) Pressing Enter in edit summary should not save the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13065  +comment (10brion)
[21:24:23] 	14(INVALID) SVG rendering and image uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13069  +comment (10brion)
[21:25:36] 	!filetypes
[21:25:36] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions
[21:26:24] 	is there a way to disable new user sign ups?
[21:26:59] 	anyone know why the edit toolbar wouldn't show up in IE?
[21:27:31] 	al_tally: css problem?
[21:27:47] 	it works for other people
[21:28:19] 	14(DUP) Allow Special: Unwatchedpages to display the list of pages by prefix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13062  +comment (10brion)
[21:28:22] 	03(mod) Allow from parameter on Special:Unwatchedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12272  +comment (10brion)
[21:29:10] 	how can I create a parser hook to change the way [http://somelink.com Hello] is rendered?
[21:29:10] 	other IE users?
[21:29:46] 	yes
[21:30:06] 	aBSDaemon: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false;
[21:30:10] 	thaks
[21:31:15] 	what can I do with the data returned from the login part of the api? I'm looking at the json here - http://pastebin.ca/919560
[21:38:04] 	I'm using an external server for login authentication and I'm getting some data returned. What is the best practice for turning this into a cookie or some session variables for login?
[21:39:58] 	Heya all
[21:41:01] 	Could someone point me to a doc for what apache options and Limits are required for mediawiki.  The wiki is kinda sparse on apache config
[21:52:19] 	no particular options are required, pelleux 
[21:53:37] 	brion: Okay.. Thanks.
[21:55:27] 	Where would I insert a static HTML link that would appear on the login page
[21:56:02] 	aBSDaemon: There is some login top system message somewhere, or login bottom - not sure though.
[21:56:38] 	login bottom exists, but i think i got login top addred in turnk before 1.11
[21:58:45] 	thanks, I'll do some searching
[21:59:57] 	brion: i have been thinking about the page_props table. could this be (ab)used as a "wikidata light" system? i have been thinking about a parser function that lets you set arbitrary page properties directly (maybe limited to a preconfigured set). 
[22:00:09] 	brion: would that be feasable? or should i forget about it?
[22:00:28] 	this would be very nicve for a wide  range of structured data (bibliographic records, infoboxes, etc)
[22:01:27] 	Duesentrieb: i'm not very familiar with it yet, but i think that would be pretty silly
[22:01:34] 	use a table that's actually meant for it
[22:02:02] 	well, a table actually meant for that would have the same structure
[22:02:22] 	(page, key, value) it could be a separat table, of course.
[22:02:52] 	the point owuld be not to have to mess with the schema every time we want to use a new property.
[22:03:48] 	brion: so, how about a page_data table, with said structure? it would be simple and flexible...
[22:04:09] 	hi all, can someone help me with short url i've got a problem
[22:04:14] 	but it somehow sounds too good... would it scale?
[22:04:24] 	!rewriteproblem | scabbed
[22:04:24] --mwbot--	scabbed: 1) Try  as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:04:26] 	what are the utma, utmb and utmc cookies used for?
[22:05:28] 	everything works fine but when i click on image to see them bigger i have a 404 error
[22:06:07] 	scabbed: that *can* be caused by failing point (4)
[22:06:25] 	(usually failing 2 and/or 3 at the same time)
[22:07:02] 	i dont understand what i must do, sry i'm french
[22:07:50] 	scabbed: read the instructions. compare with what you have.
[22:08:22] 	i use that method : Page title -- PHP as a CGI module, no root access
[22:09:13] 	03(mod) SVG rendering and image uploads - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13069  (10verbinurnoun)
[22:09:36] 	Welcome to the club scabbed.  I can get short URLS to work, but when you go to edit or log in, I get redirected to create a page index.php because it doesn't exit
[22:10:07] 	but right now I'm trying to get a link to http://www.oursite.com/forum/register.php to appear on the log in page
[22:10:07] 	Duesentrieb: *shrug* there's various different things doing various different things with various different kinds of data; at the moment i've got no spare cycles to think about it
[22:10:07] 	aBSDaemon: sounds like your rewrite is conflicting with the "physical" script path
[22:10:33] 	That's my guess.  So where do I need to place the virtual
[22:10:34] 	brion: ok, thanks, i'll try to bug tim :)
[22:11:04] 	aBSDaemon: well, what is your phyiscal web path? and what the virtual?
[22:11:18] 	aBSDaemon: the most important point is: they need to be disjunct.
[22:11:24] 	scabbed: same for you
[22:12:07] 	its "/taxinfo/" that containes the wiki.  then "/taxes/" for virtual
[22:12:29] 	scabbed: that method advocates mapping things to the document root. this is error prone and not recommended. don't do it.
[22:12:56] 	aBSDaemon: hm, so that should work fine... what's your wgArticlePath and wgScriptPath?
[22:13:02] 	03(mod) Broken links in CategoryStepper extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13078  (10lejonel)
[22:13:06] 	what method must i do if i am on mutualised server ?
[22:13:22] 	scabbed: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[22:13:31] 	which is the fist link i gave you
[22:14:01] 	that method should work for pretty much everyone
[22:14:53] 	Duesentrieb : http://pastebin.com/d6d7e0077
[22:15:10] 	i dont understand what is the w directory ? 
[22:15:24] 	my wiki is located under www.mysite.com/community
[22:16:18] 	I think I see the problem, if I change wgArticlePath to /taxes/$1 it should work
[22:17:01] 	scabbed: if the *files* are under /community, then that is your "w" directory.
[22:17:16] 	03(mod) Create new prefix COM: for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12600  (10brion)
[22:17:18] 	aBSDaemon: indeed
[22:17:54] 	so what is the "wiki" directory ? must i create another directory name wiki ??
[22:18:42] 	scabbed: in your case, instead of "wiki" it would be "community"
[22:18:56] 	You need to create another directory.  
[22:19:11] 	and instead of "w" ?
[22:19:12] *Duesentrieb 	goes to slap some ugly warnings on the short-url page
[22:19:47] 	scabbed: "w" is wherever your files are. "wiki" is whatever you ewant your pages to be at.
[22:20:08] 	The requested URL /taxes/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[22:20:24] 	Back to the rewrite rules...oh it helps if I restart Apache
[22:20:44] 	It's whatever you want it to be
[22:21:12] 	if you don't use .htaccess but httpd.conf, then you need to restart, yea...
[22:21:23] 	so my file are in the community folder, i and must creat another directory with no file inside ?
[22:22:56] 	Duesen, rmember me?
[22:23:53] 	Duesentrieb
[22:25:07] 	Hi.  I've just built a WikiFamily setup, consisting of two wikis and a shared uploads wiki.  Short of hard-coding the URL in the NOIMAGE message, is there any way to make it so that if you link to an image that doesn't exist, it points you to upload to the shared wiki rather than the wiki you are currently editing (which doesn't have uploads enabled)?
[22:25:53] 	LegendRunner: tbh, i remember your nick, but have no idea what we talked about
[22:26:41] 	Farrendel: you could take the url from the system message you used for the sidebar. MediaWiki:upload-url or some such, iirc
[22:26:41] 	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12970
[22:26:45] 	the thumbnail prob
[22:26:50] 	from 1.10.1 to 1.11.1
[22:27:32] 	just wanted to say that Tim helped me fix it
[22:27:34] 	:D
[22:27:37] 	scabbed: the "pretty" location for your pages is purly virtual. the folder does not have to exist on the file system (in fact, it should not)
[22:27:44] 	I am happy as hell
[22:28:27] 	The upload URL is defined in LocalSettings, $wgUploadNavigationURL.  However, it doesn't seem to have changed the link on the noimage message... :-/
[22:28:52] 	i tried to do that method, no i have only a 404 error :(
[22:29:16] 	LegendRunner: the solution sounds a bit dodgy though. i'd have preferred simply to use a different directory layout in case safemode is enabled. but if it works for you, fine :)
[22:29:39] 	Farrendel: i'm not talking about localsettings...
[22:29:57] 	Farrendel: i'm talking abotu system messages used to confiure the sidebar. which usually includes a link to the upload page. 
[22:30:03] 	ehmm.. on the bugzilla file there isnt a fix yet...
[22:30:16] 	"
[22:30:16] 	The solution is to reintroduce a global variable to force client-side scaling,
[22:30:16] 	and to warn the user during install that client-side scaling will be used and
[22:30:16] 	that this is bad.
[22:30:26] 	^--- i was talking about that one
[22:30:26] 	Duesen>I've looked through the Special:Allmessages and I can't see a link for uploads.
[22:31:46] 	Farrendel: hm... on the wikis with upload disabled, do you have a upload link on the left in sone navigation box?
[22:31:48] 	well.. it was something in include/something/bitmap.php
[22:31:53] 	had to change 1 line
[22:32:08] 	Still not working, I get a redirect to "File not Found".  I removed the lines from .conf and using .htaccess.  http://pastebin.com/d4748e6aa
[22:32:14] 	Duesen>Yes
[22:32:29] 	Farrendel: in the toobox? or in some box above?
[22:32:41] 	Duesen>Toolbox.
[22:33:19] 	03brion * r31327 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (GlobalFunctions.php WebRequest.php): * (bug 13139, 13074) Fix request data for parameters with numeric names
[22:33:54] 	03(FIXED) Merging $_GET and $_POST with array_merge is a bad idea - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13139  +comment (10brion)
[22:34:02] 	03(FIXED) Quiz extension text responses not markable in MW1.12a - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13074  +comment (10brion)
[22:34:13] 	aBSDaemon: odd. url=
[22:34:44] 	Farrendel: i'm confused now, sorry. i thought it wouldn't show up there if local uploads are disabeld.
[22:35:07] 	Farrendel: anyway, just hard-code the url in one place, a system message or template, and use it from there.
[22:35:19] 	is there a solution so the index.php?title=Image:name.jpg is not rewritten to Image:name.jpg, something to put in htaccess, it would be fine :D
[22:35:20] 	03minuteelectron * r31328 10/trunk/extensions/CategoryStepper/CategoryStepper.php: 
[22:35:20] 	Applying slightly modified version of attachment 4659 by Lejonel to fix bug
[22:35:20] 	13078 (Broken links in CategoryStepper extension). Use correct objects to ensure
[22:35:20] 	that pages outside of the main namespace can be stepped through.
[22:35:39] 	Duesen>Ok.  Thanks. :)
[22:36:03] *Farrendel 	is having to rebuild his test setup after the TEXT table from his last install was inexplicably wiped... :(
[22:36:29] 	03(FIXED) Broken links in CategoryStepper extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13078  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[22:37:03] 	scabbed: if they are on separate pathes,no rewriting shoudl happen
[22:37:33] 	scabbed: the point is: you have one "real" path, which contains index.php, and where no reqriting applies. this is also the *target* of the rewriting from some opther place
[22:38:28] 	03(mod) Add a wikitable-style default CSS file - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13167  (10N/A)
[22:39:56] 	its strange because some url are not rewriting like index.php?title=Page&action=history, but most of them are rewrited
[22:40:04] 	are not rewrited*
[22:40:58] 	keep pathes separate. then you don't have problems
[22:41:12] 	03catrope * r31329 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): (bug 13100) Added 'preloadtitle' parameter to action=edit§ion=new that pre-fills the section title field. Patch by Mike Dillon
[22:41:39] 	sry duesentried, but i really dont understand what u mean :(
[22:41:46] 	03(FIXED) Allow title for new comments to come from the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13100  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:42:34] 	scabbed: ok, last try. take wikipedia as an example. compare http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/X to http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X&action=edit 
[22:42:45] 	scabbed: notice how one uses /wiki and one uses /w
[22:42:47] 	do the same
[22:43:17] 	(it doesn't matter what you call the pathes. w has to be a real directory though, which contains the real files)
[22:43:27] 	03(mod) Though user is logged in, switching pages seems to force a logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13082  (10brion)
[22:43:53] 	so for me w is community folder and wiki is another folder i created with nothing inside ?
[22:44:07] 	no, you don't create it
[22:44:11] 	it's a virtual path
[22:44:18] 	it does not exist on the file system
[22:44:25] 	Duesentrieb: http://www.ourpropertytaxes.com/taxinfo/
[22:44:38] 	you make rewrite rules that map the virtual path to the real path
[22:44:38] 	so wiki can be anything but not a real folder ?
[22:44:46] 	yes
[22:44:54] 	ok i try this
[22:44:54] 	(it *could*be a real folder
[22:45:09] 	err, it *could* be a real folder, but that would be confusing
[22:45:54] 	aBSDaemon: uh... http://www.ourpropertytaxes.com/taxes/ <-- that means the directory exists physically, right? 
[22:46:07] 	but the problem is, if my real folder is mysite/community and the virtual folder mysite/wiki, whats the url i must use to go on my wiki ?
[22:46:20] 	if i use mysite/wiki it will say me there is no file
[22:46:22] 	aBSDaemon: but you have a rewrite cond that says "don't apply these rules if the directory exists"...
[22:46:48] 	scabbed: mysite/wiki  will resolve correctly if you set up rewrite rules for it.
[22:47:12] 	scabbed: RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*) community/index.php?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[22:47:16] 	03(mod) Allow title for new comments to come from the URL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13100  (10ran.arigur)
[22:47:19] 	can you guess what it does?
[22:47:28] 	so i must put the htacces in the root, not in my community folder?
[22:47:34] 	yes.
[22:47:40] 	ok
[22:47:44] 	i try ^^
[22:47:49] 	(this is also included in the first message i gave you)
[22:47:55] 	03brion * r31330 10/trunk/phase3/trackback.php: * (bug 13086) Trackbacks were returning invalid XML (extra whitespace)
[22:48:30] 	Back again...
[22:49:10] 	I do
[22:49:13] 	?
[22:49:14] 	Ok.  I've backed up the MySQL folder from my live wiki, but when I stick that into my test setup, the only page that exists is Main_Page.  Am I doing something wrong?
[22:50:34] 	03(FIXED) trackback.php XML parse error? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13086  +comment (10brion)
[22:51:16] 	duesentried : it works now when i go on mysite/wiki but i have the same error when i click on an image (404 error)
[22:51:21] 	Also, the TEXT file is only 9kb, which is far too small for the 2000+ pages I've got in my live wiki, so where is the page text, etc being stored?
[22:51:39] 	scabbed: what are your wgSpriptPath and wgArticlePath set to?
[22:52:01] 	$wgScriptPath = "/community"; 
[22:52:09] 	$wgArticlePath = "/wiki/$1";
[22:52:34] 	Farrendel: mediawiki uses innodb. innodb does not store tables in individual files. all data from all tales in all databased is stored in one central file (called idata or some such). 
[22:52:44] 	scabbed: hm, that sounds right.
[22:52:56] 	scabbed: can you give me the url of your wiki?
[22:53:16] 	ibdata1?
[22:53:28] 	lol now it skip my index.php on my root and i go directly to wiki main page ^^
[22:53:39] 	03brion * r31331 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[22:53:39] 	Merge fixes from trunk:
[22:53:40] 	* (bug 13139, 13074) Fix request data for parameters with numeric names
[22:53:40] 	* (bug 13086) Trackbacks were returning invalid XML (extra whitespace)
[22:53:58] 	How does en-wp hide the main page title? Custom hack?
[22:54:16] 	scabbed: i think the last rewrite rule in the example does that.
[22:54:18] 	just css tweaks in MediaWiki:Common.css/MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[22:54:42] 	cctoide: the secret is: there's a special css class for each page.
[22:55:27] 	duesentrieb : did you get my PM with the url of my wiki?
[22:55:36] 	Duesen>What is the best way to back up my wiki then?  Short of copying the ibdata file?
[22:55:46] 	scabbed: yes, i'm looking at it, and i'm getting confused. 
[22:55:56] 	!backup | Farrendel
[22:55:56] --mwbot--	Farrendel: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[22:56:23] 	03(mod) updaters.inc will never load interwiki.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12200  (10N/A)
[22:56:29] 	Farrendel: btw, backip up a database should NEVER be done by copying the data files (at least not if you don't shut down the db server before you do that).
[22:56:48] 	i can see picture when i clic on 'enlarge' link, but i cant see them if i only click on picture and get 404
[22:56:59] 	Duesen>Ok.  Thanks for the advice.
[22:58:06] 	scabbed: something very odd is happening on your site. this url works correctly: http://lucid-state.org/wiki/Image:Lois_dans_le_monde3.jpgx
[22:58:30] 	scabbed: meaning the rewrite works, the image namespace works. but for some reason, if the image exists, the server wants to do something different?...
[22:59:03] 	03(mod) updaters.inc will never load interwiki.sql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12200  (10N/A)
[22:59:36] 	it says me there is no picture for that link
[22:59:57] 	i try to upload one to see
[23:00:07] 	scabbed: yes, there's no picture there.
[23:00:38] 	scabbed: that was intentional. to see if the url rewriting and mediawik ihandling of the path work correctly. and they do. it seems that it only fails if the image does exist. which is, indeed, very odd.
[23:01:05] 	Duesentrieb: aah.
[23:01:05] 	also, what'
[23:01:13] 	er, what's "nginx"?
[23:02:17] 	lol but i cant upload a file with such an extension (jpegx) ^^
[23:02:28] 	i dont know much than u about nginx
[23:02:45] 	scabbed: loading a file called xxx.gif doesn't work either
[23:03:05] 	scabbed: there is something on the server that is triggered by pathes that "look like" image files.
[23:03:06] 	but this link works fine
[23:03:07] 	http://lucid-state.org/wiki/index.php=?title=Image:Recettes4.jpg
[23:03:24] 	yes, that'S HAS THE IMAGE INAME IN A PARAMTER, NOT IN THE PATH
[23:03:36] 	oops, caps
[23:03:37] 	sry
[23:03:42] 	np
[23:03:44] 	so, it doesn't trigger the balck magic
[23:04:08] 	scabbed: your host has some evil balck magic enabled for pathes that end in .gif and .jpg. ask them about it.
[23:04:41] 	png too
[23:04:48] 	ok so thats my host fault 
[23:05:12] 	scabbed: it does seem like it. i have never seen something like that. no clue wtf they are up to
[23:05:19] 	i must told them to enable gif , jpg and png path on urlrewriting?
[23:05:50] 	scabbed: btw, fixing the path of your wiki was The Right THing; even if it didn't cause this problem, it's know to cause a lot of problems.
[23:06:27] 	scabbed: no you must ask them to disable whatever evil thing they do to such pathes. ask them why xxx.gif is a 404 while xxx.yyy works.
[23:06:45] 	("works" in getting to mediawiki. never mind the fact that the file doesn't exist)
[23:06:57] 	i will try to open a ticket on my host to explain the problem
[23:07:02] 	i hope they will understand :D
[23:07:22] 	they are russian and i'm french, haha :D
[23:07:32] 	scabbed: just post two urls that are the same except for the extension. one works, one doesn't. ask why.
[23:07:43] 	ok
[23:07:47] 	i do it right now
[23:15:20] 	ok i will certainly have an answer tommorow, i will go on irc if i see u again
[23:15:29] 	thx for all duesentrieb :)
[23:15:43] 	np
[23:16:05] 	good night
[23:25:41] 	What do people think of an extension that modifies everyone's preferenceS?
[23:25:45] 	a Special Page
[23:27:22] 	Okay, short url's working
[23:27:34] 	:)
[23:27:56] 	next  item on the list, add a static html link to our forums registeration page on the login page
[23:28:00] 	03(mod) Pressing Enter in edit summary should not save the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13065  +comment (103tx38k)
[23:29:09] 	any ideas?
[23:29:24] 	03(mod) Pressing Enter in edit summary should not save the page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13065  (103tx38k)
[23:29:25] 	Modify the login page
[23:29:40] 	03(mod) SVG rendering and image uploads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13069  (10brion)
[23:29:46] 	Yeah, question is, where in the code do you do it.
[23:29:56] 	I would assume SpecialLogin.php
[23:30:06] 	in /includes
[23:30:14] 	I assumed that too.
[23:30:24] 	new day, I'll look again
[23:30:32] 	don't edit the php!
[23:31:08] 	aBSDaemon: edit the page [[MediaWiki:Loginstart]] -- for example: http://wiki.ts.wikimedia.org/view/MediaWiki:Loginstart
[23:31:41] 	Soxred93: what do you mean by "extension that modifies everyone's preferences"?
[23:31:44] 	Ah, that's what I was looking for
[23:31:59] 	An extension that modifies everyone's default preferences
[23:32:53] 	ah, if you want to code one, go ahead. Although the implementation might be difficult, as it would probably require filesystem access
[23:33:35] 	14(DUP) Incorrect Message with Pear Mail SMTP - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13094  +comment (10brion)
[23:33:41] 	03(mod) bogus email error message when creating an account ( $wgSMTP only) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11567  +comment (10brion)
[23:33:53] 	I really don't think it would be that difficult
[23:34:12] 	yes, but there may be safety concerns
[23:36:24] 	all it would be is a little easier way to modify LocalSettings.php
[23:36:38] 	Special:Interwiki is probably more insecure
[23:39:22] 	Anyone know if something like this code would work?  http://pastebin.com/d529833f3
[23:40:35] 	It would be risky
[23:40:39] 	There is a better way to do it
[23:40:51] 	aBSDaemon: i already told you the correct way to do it.  don't edit the source
[23:41:10] 	He's also trying to restrict making an account
[23:41:39] 	then use $wgGroupPermissions
[23:43:18] 	Yep
[23:43:19] 	$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createaccount'] = false
[23:43:25] 	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']            = false;
[23:43:31] 	Oh crap!
[23:43:41] 	Then modify MediaWiki:Loginprompt
[23:52:12] 	That way posted a static link at the bottom of the "Create an Account" page.  
[23:56:08] 	Where's your wiki?
[23:56:24] 	is it possible to require users to tick a box indicating they agree with a license / conditions upon creating an account?