[00:00:21] <Skizzerz>	changes should take effect the moment you save the file
[00:00:28] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Userrights mishandles #userid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13135  +comment (10brion)
[00:00:33] <jaypro_>	ohhh... okay cool
[00:00:37] <jaypro_>	thanks Skizzerz!
[00:00:40] <Skizzerz>	np :)
[00:04:14] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31363 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): * (bug 13112) Added Special:RelatedChanges alias to Special:Recentchangeslinked
[00:04:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) alias for Special:RelatedChanges - patch included - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13112  +comment (10brion)
[00:05:05] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Users with '@' in their username can not have their userrights changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12602  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:05:17] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Users with '@' in their username can not have their userrights changed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12602  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:05:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Userrights mishandles #userid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13135  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:07:40] <AaronSchulz>	brion, flyingparchment: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=57 :)
[00:08:03] <AaronSchulz>	"Western models", lol
[00:08:23] *AaronSchulz 	thinks of silly postmodernism junk
[00:21:19] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31364 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/interwiki.sql: 
[00:21:19] <CIA-43>	Cleanup
[00:21:19] <CIA-43>	* Updated a few URLs
[00:21:19] <CIA-43>	* Removed entries where site was unreachable or target was no longer an active site (~6 months)
[00:21:19] <CIA-43>	* Added some comments for next pass.
[00:22:01] <brion>	AaronSchulz: people scare the shit out of me sometimes :)
[00:22:13] <brion>	why humans so crazy
[00:22:27] <AaronSchulz>	brion: why am I not making $30/hr! :D
[00:30:38] <Dreyesbo>	Hi. I was wondering if someone could answer a rather specific question about changing the user account creation in MediaWiki 1.6.3.
[00:32:33] <e_s_p>	Dreyesbo: at the risk of sounding rude
[00:32:52] <e_s_p>	ha ha MediaWiki 1.6.3
[00:32:53] <dungodung>	don't ask to ask, just ask?
[00:33:38] <e_s_p>	That's not in the topic line any more
[00:33:44] <Skizzerz>	!ask | Dreyesbo 
[00:33:44] --mwbot--	Dreyesbo: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[00:33:57] <e_s_p>	People have to ask whether they should ask to ask, or if they should just ask to ask
[00:34:03] <Skizzerz>	although I must say I am completely unfamiliar with 1.6
[00:34:16] <Dreyesbo>	Well, the admin is to lazy to update it. My question is: Can I integrate the user database from a PHP forum (SQL database) into the Users at the wiki?
[00:34:29] <e_s_p>	Dreyesbo: if you're not the admin, no
[00:34:41] <e_s_p>	If you are, and you're willing to do some programming, yes
[00:35:05] <Dreyesbo>	No, I'm not, but the admin asked me for help.
[00:35:06] <e_s_p>	Or you might find an extension on www.mediawiki.org that already does it for your preferred forum software...
[00:35:23] <e_s_p>	...or you can use OpenID, if the forum supports OpenID.
[00:35:29] <dungodung>	I remember the good old MediaWiki 1.4.x... those were the times :)
[00:35:47] <Dreyesbo>	Okay, I'll search for it, and if not, I'll guess i'll have to come back...and not ask to ask :P Thanks!
[00:35:50] <e_s_p>	dungodung: I remember before MW had version numbers... or a name, for that matter
[00:35:56] <dungodung>	:P
[00:36:05] <dungodung>	that just means you're old
[00:36:07] <e_s_p>	Dreyesbo: good luck
[00:36:16] <e_s_p>	dungodung: yes, at least 5 years old
[00:36:27] <dungodung>	5 mediawiki-years old
[00:36:36] <e_s_p>	OK, that's pretty old
[00:36:43] <dungodung>	ya
[00:37:06] <Skizzerz>	well, depends on how you define a mediawiki-year
[00:37:35] <dungodung>	mediawiki-year=year
[00:37:40] <Skizzerz>	xD
[00:37:48] <dungodung>	except that the count starts with the commencement of mediawiki
[00:41:30] <jaypro_>	i just installed mediawiki, created an account, then i get an error.... "Could not send confirmation mail. Check address for invalid characters." "Mailer returned: mailer error"
[00:41:33] <jaypro_>	how do i correct this
[00:43:57] <e_s_p>	jaypro_: did you use a fake or stupid email address?
[00:44:06] <e_s_p>	Like aa;lkja;kdja;dfkjad;fkjadf or something?
[00:44:15] <jaypro_>	real email
[00:44:29] <e_s_p>	jaypro_: OK, it's good to eliminate that one
[00:44:40] <e_s_p>	Windows or Unix?
[00:44:50] <jaypro_>	also, i just edited the grouppermissions
[00:45:07] <jaypro_>	tried preventing access to only allow email confirmed users
[00:45:10] <jaypro_>	unix
[00:46:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Talk subpages link to main subpages even when they are turned off - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13119  (10wikimedia)
[00:46:22] <jaypro_>	if i add that, i probably need to add something about "$wgEmailAuthentication".  right? or no
[00:47:09] <pdowling>	hello, is there a mediawiki option to present users with a "agree to disclaimer" option upon registering?
[00:47:13] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31365 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): 
[00:47:13] <CIA-43>	* (bug 13130) Moved edit token and autosummary fields above edit tools to
[00:47:13] <CIA-43>	 reduce broken form submissions
[00:47:28] <e_s_p>	pdowling: probably not
[00:48:05] <pdowling>	e_s_p: it seems contradictory to the wiki concept doesn't it
[00:49:24] <Skizzerz>	pdowling: no feature like that exists yet, but if you are up to programming, there is a hook you can use to add such an option
[00:49:25] <pdowling>	but that's what the client wants :(
[00:49:34] <pdowling>	ok
[00:49:37] <pdowling>	what hook is that?
[00:49:47] <Skizzerz>	lemme find the exact name
[00:49:53] <pdowling>	thanks
[00:50:18] <Skizzerz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/UserCreateForm
[00:50:28] <pdowling>	thanks
[00:52:31] <pdowling>	this looks like an appropriate extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CustomUserCreateForm
[00:52:42] <pdowling>	only in beta stage though
[00:53:42] <Skizzerz>	try it out and see if it works?
[00:59:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Position of wpEditToken input tag in edit form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13130  +comment (10brion)
[01:01:57] <pdowling>	will do Skizzerz
[01:02:04] <pdowling>	thanks for you help, very much appreciated
[01:02:12] <Skizzerz>	no problem ;)
[01:02:27] <pdowling>	bye for now
[01:02:49] <skiidoo>	Can I block any registration using .*@(mail|list)\.ru as address email?
[01:03:14] <skiidoo>	1.11, can't find anything in the Manual:
[01:06:27] *Skizzerz 	pokes the i18n people -- what do you use as a text editor so that character encoding for all those random languages doesn't get messed up?
[01:08:18] <skiidoo>	vi vi vi is the editor of the beast.
[01:12:20] <mshadle>	how can i setpu user information and then force the current user logged in to use them?
[01:37:13] <CIA-43>	03skizzerz * r31366 10/trunk/extensions/EditUser/ (EditUser.i18n.php EditUser.php EditUser_body.php): 
[01:37:13] <CIA-43>	* Added right to exempt users from being edited
[01:37:13] <CIA-43>	* Added check so nonexistant users cannot be edited
[01:37:13] <CIA-43>	* Probably messed up the encoding of the i18n... can someone fix it for me? Notepad++ didn't like the non-English languages...
[01:37:57] <Skizzerz>	hey, it didn't mess up \o/
[03:06:39] *Charitwo 	blinks.
[03:15:22] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Though user is logged in, switching pages seems to force a logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13082  +comment (10cwisniewski)
[03:22:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) error with the parser function with CategoryTree - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13028  (10professorminh)
[03:54:34] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31367 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/ (9 files in 4 dirs): 
[03:54:34] <CIA-43>	* use parserCache for MVD page requests
[03:54:34] <CIA-43>	* speeds up display of Stream Page Requests, Search Results, and CMML/XML media metadata export
[03:54:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) index.php does not honor the variant param with action=raw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12683  (10jhecking)
[04:10:28] <dmiles_afk>	http://static.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/en-new/articles/g/e/i/Geisha.html  works but no links from it ?
[04:10:34] <dmiles_afk>	is there another static server?
[04:11:36] <dmiles_afk>	i am looking for any english static version
[04:16:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special page transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13179 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mattbisanz)
[04:31:10] <dmiles_afk>	i am looking for any english static version of wikipedia.org anyone know of
[04:31:27] <MZMcBride>	like a dump?
[04:31:46] <dmiles_afk>	yeah.. well a http accesable
[04:32:03] <MZMcBride>	there are plenty of mirrors around the web
[04:32:28] <dmiles_afk>	i cant find any ;(
[04:32:43] <dmiles_afk>	well http://static.wikipedia.org  is not working for englush
[04:36:39] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exporting pages fails - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13180 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (tathagata.dasgupta)
[04:59:09] <FBIGuy>	erm i just got an error
[04:59:17] <MZMcBride>	what kind?
[04:59:22] <FBIGuy>	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
[04:59:23] <FBIGuy>	    (SQL query hidden)
[04:59:25] <FBIGuy>	from within function "Article::doDeleteArticle". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'ar_page_id' in 'field list' (localhost)".
[04:59:37] <MZMcBride>	has it happened repeatedly?
[04:59:47] <mdale>	is there anyway to hide the displaytitle for given page ?
[04:59:48] <FBIGuy>	i think so
[04:59:53] <MZMcBride>	mdale: CSS
[05:00:03] <MZMcBride>	FBIGuy: i mean, do you get the error each time you try to delete the article
[05:00:26] <mdale>	hmm for a given namespace is what I need to do...
[05:00:27] <FBIGuy>	yep
[05:00:31] <MZMcBride>	!csshideheader | mdale 
[05:00:31] --mwbot--	mdale: To hide the header on the main page, you need to add this CSS to the wiki page [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]: "body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display: none; }". If your main page's title is not "Main Page", you'll need to change it accordingly (look at the class on the <body> tag in the HTML source).
[05:00:46] <MZMcBride>	FBIGuy: have you updated MediaWiki recently?
[05:01:06] <MZMcBride>	mdale: obviously substitute "Main Page" for whatever page you want to hide the header on :)
[05:01:14] <FBIGuy>	its the latest version]
[05:01:14] <mdale>	yea...but nothing for namespace?
[05:01:23] <Splarka>	use body.ns-0 
[05:01:28] <Splarka>	replacing 0 for the namespace number
[05:01:30] <mdale>	ah oky
[05:01:43] <MZMcBride>	FBIGuy: did you update recently?
[05:01:44] <Splarka>	if you have a new enough mw version that has per-namespace css classes, of course
[05:02:00] <mdale>	yea I run from the svn ;)
[05:02:19] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki ns-0 ltr page-Main_Page">
[05:02:44] <Splarka>	you can style the body or body descendants by 'mediawiki' by namespace, by direction, or by page name
[05:03:10] <FBIGuy>	how can i update when i have the latest releaese?
[05:03:54] <MZMcBride>	FBIGuy: did you update this week and forget to update the database structure? <-- that's what i'm trying to ask
[05:04:12] <FBIGuy>	its brand new
[05:05:48] <FBIGuy>	and it happens to whatever article i try to delete
[05:05:49] <mdale>	great thanks 
[05:05:52] <MZMcBride>	FBIGuy: what does your [[Special:Version]] say?
[05:06:03] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31368 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 
[05:06:03] <CIA-43>	* enabled full per-page cache on Stream views
[05:06:03] <CIA-43>	* fixed extra Title display in Stream ns (thx Splarka, MZMcBride)
[05:06:26] <FBIGuy>	#  MediaWiki: 1.11.0 
[05:06:29] <FBIGuy>	oh
[05:07:03] <Splarka>	ack, someone with commit access should know about body classes ^_^
[05:07:39] <mdale>	.. i did just did not know the ns got added in there 
[05:07:56] <Splarka>	hehe
[05:08:16] <Splarka>	note that this won't work the same on skins without that title object
[05:08:49] <mdale>	yea... or if the namespace changes cuz of other extensions 
[05:09:15] <Landlord>	http://www.wikisquare.com/
[05:09:17] <FBIGuy>	gtg
[05:09:20] <Landlord>	can someone link me to the mediawiki.css file for this wiki
[05:09:25] <Landlord>	i don't know how to navigate to it :(
[05:09:38] <MZMcBride>	Landlord: view source
[05:09:44] <Landlord>	or else if you could just tel lme how to make the hover-dropdown menus that would be hotness
[05:10:33] <Landlord>	how does the source show me where the mediawiki.css file is? :S
[05:10:52] <Landlord>	forgive my ignorance if it is showing itself
[05:11:26] <Splarka>	view the page source, look for <style> tags
[05:11:58] <Landlord>	that's......not what i'm looking for
[05:12:21] <MZMcBride>	or rather, search for ".css"
[05:13:03] <MZMcBride>	http://www.wikisquare.com/lib/tpl/dream/style/screen.css
[05:13:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New en wikipedia mailing list to replace requests for account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13117   +shell; +comment (10sxwiki)
[05:14:02] <Splarka>	hover dropdown menus usually require JS to operate properly, in IE etc
[05:14:12] <Landlord>	http://ffowa.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[05:14:18] <Landlord>	i'm looking for the equivalent of this page on that wiki
[05:14:23] <Landlord>	i don't think it is the same or maybe it is :(
[05:15:18] <Splarka>	ahh, you want the site-wide skin editable css
[05:15:38] <Splarka>	looks like it isn't enabled there
[05:15:41] <Landlord>	yes
[05:15:59] <Splarka>	did you design that skin?
[05:16:10] <Landlord>	no
[05:16:13] <Landlord>	but i want to emulate parts of it
[05:16:37] <Dantman>	Mmmmmm.... (or uselang userlang browserlang sitelang :en)
[05:16:45] <Splarka>	$wgUseSiteCss = true;  will have to be enabled, as well as probably actually inserted into the skin itself
[05:17:15] <Landlord>	i can insert it into my skin np
[05:17:20] <Landlord>	but where do i enable it otherwise =/
[05:17:32] <MZMcBride>	it's enabled by default
[05:17:39] <Landlord>	oh
[05:17:59] <Landlord>	that's nice
[05:18:40] <Landlord>	ok so
[05:18:52] <Landlord>	where should one go to learn how to make sexy dropdown menus
[05:23:46] <Landlord>	ok :(
[05:25:47] <MZMcBride>	Landlord: your trying to emulate that site?
[05:25:53] <MZMcBride>	you're, even
[05:25:57] <Landlord>	yes
[05:26:00] <Landlord>	certain aspects
[05:26:09] <MZMcBride>	look for ".js"
[05:28:06] <MZMcBride>	ummm
[05:31:06] <Landlord>	<script type="text/javascript" src="/lib/tpl/dream/fix/IEFixes.js"></script>
[05:31:12] <Landlord>	that is the only instance of javascript
[05:32:11] <MZMcBride>	yeah, it's using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DokuWiki
[05:32:23] <MZMcBride>	which is similar to MediaWiki, but not the same
[05:32:47] <Splarka>	better join #dokuwiki then ^_^
[05:32:55] <Landlord>	oh no :(
[05:33:13] <Landlord>	does this mean i have no hope
[05:47:41] <FBIGuy>	hi
[05:49:16] <FBIGuy>	hmm, just curious, when prtecting a page, what IS the default stting?
[05:53:05] <Landlord>	does this mean i have no hope guys
[05:54:38] <Splarka>	Landlord: from us probably none,  see #dokuwiki
[05:56:36] <AaronSchulz>	FBIGuy: did you run update.php?
[05:56:53] <FBIGuy>	nope
[05:57:32] <AaronSchulz>	well, do so, otherwise errors like that can happen on SVN up
[05:57:46] <AaronSchulz>	it is in /maintenance
[05:58:50] <MZMcBride>	wasn't it a vanilla install?
[05:59:23] <FBIGuy>	hmm, forbiddon
[05:59:38] <FBIGuy>	well opening it in my browser doesnt work
[06:01:23] <MZMcBride>	you have to do it via command line
[06:02:50] <FBIGuy>	ok
[06:04:26] *FBIGuy 	does it
[06:04:35] <FBIGuy>	ok it opened photoparade
[06:04:49] <FBIGuy>	and said i need the latest version of said photoparade
[06:06:15] <MZMcBride>	you ran "php update.php"?
[06:06:57] <Noven>	hello, Im trying to add a link on the navigation sidebar to an offsite location.  How does the syntax work to make that happen?
[06:07:48] <Splarka>	in MediaWiki:Sidebar?
[06:07:59] <Splarka>	** http://www.google.com|Google    should work
[06:08:02] <_wooz>	lo
[06:08:44] <Noven>	ok I feel dumb now lol
[06:08:47] <Noven>	thanks =)
[06:08:52] <FBIGuy>	i typed in the location of the file in command prompt
[06:08:57] *FBIGuy 	patpats Noven
[06:14:02] <newrkv>	hey, how do you change the logo on the main page of monobook?
[06:14:29] <newrkv>	i tried to put in the url to the image i want in the $wgLogo	spot, but nothing shows up now
[06:14:44] <newrkv>	there is a space between that code and the word spot
[06:16:03] <MZMcBride>	newrkv: sounds like the image is too big
[06:16:14] <MZMcBride>	it's supposed to be 150px-ish, i think
[06:16:27] <newrkv>	let me try that
[06:18:22] <piksi>	is there a possibility to embed some wikisyntax to an individual page that cannot be edited (doesn't show up in the edit textarea)?
[06:18:42] <piksi>	or do i just need a bot that will periodically check a page and modify the code?
[06:19:20] <newrkv>	ok, i tried that, no luck, how do i need to enter the path? via url or physical path
[06:20:22] <MZMcBride>	path should be fine
[06:20:49] <Splarka>	piksi: you could use js, or an extension
[06:20:53] <newrkv>	how do i find out the direct path to the image? i tried /images/wiki.png, no luck
[06:21:25] <Splarka>	newrkv: go to the image description page, click on the image itself, the full path should show in your browser location
[06:21:47] <Soxred93>	 /skins/common/images/wiki.png usuall
[06:21:50] <Splarka>	(if it is an uploaded image)
[06:22:01] <Soxred93>	That's the defaul
[06:22:04] <newrkv>	oh lord, i figured it out, i was putting in the wrong directory
[06:22:06] <newrkv>	thats my fault
[06:22:09] <Soxred93>	But that is discouraged
[06:22:17] <newrkv>	why
[06:22:18] <Soxred93>	because in an update, it may get overwritten
[06:22:28] <newrkv>	ok
[06:22:48] <Soxred93>	Speaking of which, I'll go add that to the upgrading page.
[06:24:18] <Soxred93>	Which it is protected
[06:25:36] <newrkv>	can anyone give me advice on my page, besides fill it with content, im not to that stage yet
[06:25:40] <newrkv>	http://www.nashdev.com
[06:30:39] <newrkv>	i think i changed a setting that does not allow me to edit the mediwawiki:edittools page, where would i change that?
[06:31:08] <MZMcBride>	Soxred93: which page?
[06:31:22] <newrkv>	mediawiki:edittools
[06:31:23] <Soxred93>	Manual:Upgrading
[06:31:31] <MZMcBride>	!man upgrading
[06:31:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:upgrading
[06:31:46] <MZMcBride>	don't you have an account?
[06:32:06] <newrkv>	im sorry to be such a noob, but what am i looking for on that page, the manual..
[06:32:49] <MZMcBride>	newrkv: you can't block editing of MediaWiki:Edittools
[06:32:57] <MZMcBride>	are you logged in as an administrator?
[06:33:02] <newrkv>	yes
[06:33:14] <MZMcBride>	then you should be able to edit an MediaWiki page
[06:33:25] <MZMcBride>	* any
[06:33:28] <newrkv>	which is weird, it give me this message : This page provides interface text for the software, and is locked to prevent abuse. 
[06:33:45] <MZMcBride>	have you screwed with anything in LocalSettings?
[06:34:13] <MZMcBride>	'cause that message indicates you're not logged in as an administrator
[06:34:27] <MZMcBride>	... or you've changed your config files
[06:34:48] <newrkv>	yes, i have changed some stuff in localsettings
[06:35:08] <MZMcBride>	anything related to permissions?
[06:35:35] <newrkv>	i reverted back to basic permission, this was it
[06:37:19] <newrkv>	sorry to be bother... you guys have been a great help!
[06:46:45] <Werdna>	TimStarling: I'm getting reports (and am observing) that WIkipedia is inaccessible from SYdney.
[06:46:50] <Werdna>	wanna check?
[06:47:08] <TimStarling>	from rummy?
[06:47:15] <TimStarling>	we've sorted that one out already
[06:47:19] <MZMcBride>	no, in -en-admins
[06:48:36] <Werdna>	TimStarling: no, darkfalls
[06:48:40] <Werdna>	I can't get past 20  w006.z207088246.xo.cnc.net (207.88.246.6)  246.467 ms  249.892 ms  246.165 ms
[06:48:43] <Werdna>	in a traceroute
[06:49:15] <MZMcBride>	... wasn't that rummy's issue too?
[06:50:16] <Werdna>	yeah, stopping at the same node
[06:50:51] <TimStarling>	well, as I was saying in #wikimedia-tech, that's not actually the problem node
[06:51:00] *Werdna 	goes back to read
[06:51:27] <TimStarling>	the problem is in the vicinity of 206.111.12.174.ptr.us.xo.net.
[06:51:56] <Werdna>	Hop 13, for me.
[06:52:30] <TimStarling>	the reason the traceroute stops at the last hop before the destination is because all packets from rr.wikimedia.org back to the client are dropped
[06:52:57] <TimStarling>	they are dropped halfway along the return route, in xo.net
[06:53:07] <Werdna>	right, I see
[06:53:10] <Werdna>	that makes sense
[07:16:22] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31369 10/USERINFO/ialex: Adding self to list
[07:38:30] <mshadle>	why would i not be able to edit a page, i'm logged in, my getEffectiveGroups() shows a handful of roles for me, i've assigned "edit" for everything. still no go
[07:45:17] <Werdna>	mshadle: more detail please
[07:46:34] <mshadle>	hrm
[07:46:38] <mshadle>	let me dump some info
[07:48:19] <mshadle>	http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/mw.txt 
[07:48:50] <mshadle>	ive given myself all the roles, and i even have anonymous edits turned on it looks like, but i still cant do anything
[07:53:29] <Splarka>	mshadle: what version of MediaWiki?
[08:09:14] <enhydra>	yay netsplit
[08:15:01] <CIA-43>	03wegge * r31370 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Make the category browser actually work
[08:15:32] <mshadle>	sparkla: latest stable 1.11.1
[08:16:37] <OverlordQ>	what were the WP pages for the additional buttons above the edit box?
[08:16:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable Password Reset extension on Wikimedia private wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13177  (10guillom.pom)
[08:21:27] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: is javascript, wgCustomEditButtons
[08:21:34] <Splarka>	er, wp
[08:21:53] <Splarka>	go see http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Custom_edit_buttons
[08:21:57] <OverlordQ>	Splarka: yea, found the buttons I wanted to steal in MediaWiki:Commons.js
[08:22:03] <OverlordQ>	*Common
[08:22:25] *Splarka 	nod
[08:26:43] <mshadle>	Splarka: i updated that url http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/mw.txt   with some other relevant info
[08:30:36] <mshadle>	when i click "edit this page" it just goes back to the main page
[08:31:37] <Splarka>	what does the URL to a page view look like?
[08:32:06] <Splarka>	/index.php?title=page  /index.php/page  /wiki/page  ?
[08:35:20] <wanagi>	hi all, i am searching for a way to automatically add additional lines to a post in order to reflect changes in a logfile within the wiki. does anyone have a clue how to do this or where to find information about how it can be done
[08:35:41] <mshadle>	the url is /wiki/developers/Main_Page
[08:35:47] <Deon>	Hey.. I'm having some trouble using Special:Lockdb, it won't seem to work.
[08:35:50] <mshadle>	the root is /wiki/developers
[08:35:55] <Deon>	I bet I've missed something :) but not sure what.. :/
[08:36:22] <Deon>	I have the permission (and is in LocalSettings.php), but when I click 'Lock Database', it gives me an error
[08:36:36] <wanagi>	there is sth in the api but it seems to be only proposal :( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit_-_Create%26Edit_pages
[08:36:49] <Splarka>	mshadle: try /wiki/developers/Main_Page?action=edit 
[08:37:22] <mshadle>	Splarka: it ignores the edit. just loads the page normally
[08:37:32] <Splarka>	mshadle: very odd
[08:38:32] <mshadle>	is there like some superdebug i can turn on
[08:39:24] <Splarka>	wanagi: which POST in particular? an edit submit?
[08:40:40] <wanagi>	Splarka: yes...i have an irc log of my private company channel which i would like to have reflected in the company wiki
[08:41:51] <Splarka>	what is sending the POST? a browser or a script/bot?
[08:42:17] <Splarka>	(or is that what you are asking)
[08:42:20] <wanagi>	Splarka: will be a php or bash script
[08:42:58] <wanagi>	just not sure if i need to emulate post of pages or if there is any internal command / api i could use
[08:43:03] <foxlit>	When is template recursion blocked, exactly?
[08:43:20] <Splarka>	wanagi: there is a well supported python framework for semuautomatically editing wikis, called pywikipediabot...
[08:43:36] <foxlit>	I seem to be able to use {{self|stuff=...}} within Template:self, but not {{{{#if:...|self|}}|stuff=...}} :(
[08:44:23] <Splarka>	but, lacking that, the easiest way is (IIRC), lacking API-writability, to request the edit page form, scrape it for wpEditToken, wpStarttime, wpEdittime, wpTextbox1 (to append), and resubmit it back as a POST
[08:44:31] <OverlordQ>	wanagi: Yea, that'd be easy to do with any of the available frameworks.  Or in any reasonable language, completely ignoring the frameworks
[08:45:14] <wanagi>	Splarka: thanks... will have a look at it.... i just saw there is also a php framework...great...thanks all
[08:45:15] <mshadle>	the only error i see is "Invalid user language code"
[08:45:52] <Splarka>	wanagi: there are a set number of parameters needed to save an edit (via index.php)...
[08:45:53] <ronr>	hi, is there a mediawiki extension (or something) that'll embed a svn browser in the a wiki?
[08:46:22] <Splarka>	wanagi: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Parameters_that_are_needed_to_save
[08:46:26] <OverlordQ>	you can get an edittoken through the api
[08:46:38] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: and wpStarttime and wpEdittime?
[08:46:52] <OverlordQ>	oh, good point :)
[08:47:14] <Splarka>	the edittoken is nice for deletes/protects/undelete preview, etc
[08:47:22] <karleyn>	i kind of need some help :) im new to wiki:ing overall, and i started a wiki. I need to know how i format the text, so the "Content"-box shows up at the top. The one i can choose to hide and show. Anyone? :)
[08:47:23] <Splarka>	but I don't think the API is well suited to saving yet
[08:47:56] <OverlordQ>	although I suppose you could fudge those, and use the time you requested the edit token, and the time you submitted the page
[08:48:25] <Splarka>	foxlit: complex question, especially since the preprocessor has been rewritten for 1.12, I believe it aborts if it finds proof on the page of a loop, and if not, it will abort if it reaches something like 40 iterations before detecting a loop, or something
[08:48:48] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: it works for creating a new page, but not for editing an existing (as It was explaind to me)
[08:49:06] <foxlit>	Splarka: to add to that, the wiki I'm running that on uses 1.10
[08:49:15] <Splarka>	as the wpEdittime has to be exactly the same as the timestamp of the last revision
[08:49:23] <Duesentrieb>	bwahaha! http://www.crypto.com/bingo/pr
[08:49:26] <Splarka>	which can be gotten in the API, but not super easily
[08:49:37] <Splarka>	foxlit: not sure then
[08:50:02] <foxlit>	Although I'm happy if 1.12 introduces a saner recursion check
[08:50:07] <OverlordQ>	err, yea?
[08:50:28] <OverlordQ>	touched="2008-02-26T11:13:42Z" vs value="20080226111342" name="wpEdittime"
[08:50:49] <OverlordQ>	strip out the - the T the colons and the Z and you got WpEdittime
[08:51:13] <Splarka>	not super easy ^_^
[08:51:15] <piksi>	how can i put a link to a class inside article text without making the article belong into the class?
[08:51:23] <piksi>	sorry not class - category
[08:51:31] <OverlordQ>	pssh come on :P that's like regex 101 :D
[08:51:33] <piksi>	[[Category:Blah|description]] doesn't do it
[08:51:45] <OverlordQ>	[[:Category:Beans]]
[08:52:20] <piksi>	thanks a lot, didn't know that property
[08:52:34] <OverlordQ>	meh, if it doesn't work, throw colons at it :)
[08:53:34] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: "stick (it) in (your) colon"
[08:53:43] <piksi>	lol
[08:53:50] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31371 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (34 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-02-28 09:40 CET)
[08:55:45] <jons_>	I want to pose code (php, java, xml etc) into an article - how do I keep den formatting of the code (ie indent)?
[08:56:57] <Arvernes>	I've to add a template to my wiki. I know I have to add some javascript code to a special page, but I can't remember its name, and how to load it. 
[08:59:09] <mshadle>	can someone here look at this custom auth extension i made? it seems to "recognize" me but it ignores any commands i make.. http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/mwauth.php.txt
[08:59:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) checking newbie contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13181 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (andreengels)
[08:59:26] <Splarka>	jons_: wrap it in <pre>
[08:59:49] <Splarka>	or if GeSHi is available, you can use <source>
[09:04:34] <mshadle>	ew it uses $_REQUEST
[09:08:13] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31372 10/trunk/extensions/ (93 files in 91 dirs): Localisation updates for extensions messages from Betawiki (2008-02-28 09:40 CET)
[09:09:21] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31373 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesLb.php: Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[09:11:15] <plop28>	plop
[09:11:31] <plop28>	plop plop
[09:12:24] <plop28>	yop all !!! French ? English ? Im new..
[09:12:32] <plop28>	i need help
[09:13:03] <exobuzz>	ok.. well ask away..
[09:13:26] <plop28>	in english ?
[09:13:39] <plop28>	im french and my english is too bad :/
[09:13:51] <Duesentrieb>	you can ask in whatever language you want. but if you use english, more people will understand.
[09:13:59] <plop28>	okay
[09:14:02] <plop28>	i try 
[09:14:03] <Duesentrieb>	bad english probably gets you more help than good french
[09:14:08] <exobuzz>	lol
[09:14:10] <exobuzz>	:)
[09:14:37] <plop28>	i need help about mediawiki search
[09:14:57] <exobuzz>	ok. just ask the question ;-)
[09:15:27] <plop28>	when i search article, in result they're URL 
[09:15:48] <plop28>	and i wanna ignore URL when i research article on mediawiki
[09:16:14] <exobuzz>	erm. maybe try French ;-)
[09:16:14] <Duesentrieb>	the search feature uses mysql's fulltext index.
[09:16:20] <plop28>	lol
[09:16:29] <Duesentrieb>	well, i Ãœthin* i understand what you want :)
[09:16:37] <Duesentrieb>	you don't want urls to be indexed
[09:16:45] <plop28>	when i create article and add pics in it
[09:16:59] <Duesentrieb>	external images, yes?
[09:17:25] <plop28>	there are URL with name of pics
[09:17:41] <plop28>	and when i research article ie: windows
[09:18:06] <plop28>	in result there are http://@srv/images/windows1.jpg
[09:18:09] <Duesentrieb>	plop28: as i said, it uses mysql's fulltext index. which is not very flexible. you cantry to customize it, look at the mysql manual.
[09:18:11] <plop28>	understand ?
[09:18:24] <plop28>	ok
[09:18:43] <Duesentrieb>	plop28: alternqatively, you can use a different search engline, like the lucenesearch plugin. but beware that that requires a quite a bit of setup and maintenances (it's intended for large-scale operations like wikipedia)
[09:18:53] <Duesentrieb>	a simple alternative is:
[09:18:57] <Duesentrieb>	do not use external images.
[09:19:12] <plop28>	yes too hard for me lol
[09:19:38] <plop28>	so how do i import image in article
[09:19:45] <plop28>	easily 
[09:20:15] <Duesentrieb>	you upload it, and then put it into the article
[09:20:16] <Duesentrieb>	!upload
[09:20:16] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[09:20:18] <Arvernes>	plop28: tu as une fonction pour importer des images sur un wiki.
[09:20:31] <plop28>	ok
[09:20:43] <Duesentrieb>	ah, natives to the rescue :P
[09:20:45] <plop28>	oui jai bien la fonction, seulement il ne m'en importe que une a la fois
[09:20:52] <CIA-43>	03emiller * r31374 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/ (28 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[09:20:52] <CIA-43>	Lots of changes, including:
[09:20:52] <CIA-43>	* Refactor export functions into GoogleMapsExporter base class and 3 inherited classes: Kml, Js, and Img
[09:20:52] <CIA-43>	* "Img" exporter uses the Google Maps Static API to generate PNG files. The
[09:20:52] <CIA-43>	Static API is still missing some important features, such as polylines, but it's
[09:20:55] <CIA-43>	now used as a fallback for older browsers (and browsers with JS turned off).
[09:20:57] <CIA-43>	* Add GUI element for selecting an icon's label.
[09:21:19] <plop28>	et dans les resultat de recherche si mon image a le meme nom que l'article j'ai plein de resultat inutiles
[09:21:34] <Arvernes>	ben oui, il ne t'en importe qu'une donc tu dois le faire pour chaque image que tu veux importer. Je te conseille de mettre une description, une catégorie, éventuellement quelque chose sur le copyright, et tu le sauvegardes, comme ça à chaque image, tu fais un copier/coller, ça va plus vite
[09:21:56] <Arvernes>	I need help too :-) about javascript
[09:22:20] <plop28>	comment ca un copier coller
[09:22:37] <Arvernes>	plop28: j'ai l'habitude sur mon wiki de mettre les images avec des numéros. Je te donne un lien, une seconde 
[09:23:48] <plop28>	vu le nombre d'image que j'ai en fait je copié directement les images sur le server et metté un lien vers l'image et j'accepter les images externes
[09:24:02] <Arvernes>	tu peux avoir une liste des images sur un wiki par une page spéciale. Ce qui te permet de voir quelles sont celles utlisées/
[09:24:04] <Arvernes>	http://www.arvernes.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Imagelist&sort=img_name&limit=50
[09:24:39] <Arvernes>	Duesentrieb: I need help too about javascript. I can't find the page of my wiki where I can add more javascritp.
[09:26:39] <plop28>	jvois l'image "boite a outil", si tu as un article boite a outil et que tu le recherche
[09:26:50] <plop28>	dans les resultat tu verra ton image aussi nan ?
[09:26:58] <Arvernes>	oui, tout à fait.
[09:27:06] <plop28>	moi c'est ca que je ne veux pas 
[09:27:12] <plop28>	si jai un article plop
[09:27:24] <plop28>	avec mes images plop1 plop2 plop3.jpg etc
[09:27:29] <Arvernes>	et c'est génant ? pour moi non, sous l'image tu as le lien de la page où cette image est utilisée.
[09:27:39] <plop28>	jai tout une ribembelle de résultat quand je fais une recherche
[09:28:13] <plop28>	oui je trouve ca embettant
[09:28:28] <plop28>	jessaye de faire une base de connaissance a mon taf
[09:28:49] <plop28>	et y integrer un grand nombre de procédure (.doc)
[09:28:59] <Arvernes>	je ne connais pas de fonction dans la fonction recherche qui te permette de ne pas donner les images dans le résultat.
[09:29:09] <plop28>	ok
[09:29:41] <plop28>	moi vu que j'ai des url pour mes images, je cherché un moyen de limiter la recherche en ignorant les URL dans les resultat 
[09:30:00] <Arvernes>	I need to add javascript functions. Where in my wiki can I had those functions ? which page ?
[09:31:54] <plop28>	je ne connais rien en PHP tout ca 
[09:32:06] <plop28>	si je verrais des requetes SQL j'aurais pu me demerder
[09:32:14] <plop28>	mais ca a l'air detre codé en objet 
[09:32:22] <plop28>	et j'y comprend rien au fichier
[09:32:24] <plop28>	lol
[09:33:06] <Splarka>	Arvernes: if you have $wgUseSiteJs enabled, and if you have a newish version of MediaWiki, the page would be MediaWiki:Common.js
[09:33:25] <Arvernes>	I'm gonna give it a try.
[09:33:30] <Splarka>	[[MediaWiki:Common.js]]  might have something like...
[09:34:01] <Splarka>	addOnloadHook(function () { if(document.getElementById('testdiv') { alert('test div found!)} });
[09:34:17] <Splarka>	which would trigger if a document had <div id="testdiv"></div>
[09:34:58] <Splarka>	note that as the JS load before the document, you have to do most content-interactive stuff on document load, and mediawiki provides a browser friendly way to do that with addOnloadHook
[09:36:14] <Duesentrieb>	!javascript
[09:36:14] --mwbot--	To set up custom javascript on a wiki, edit [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] as a sysop. If $wgAllowUserJs is true in LocalSettings.php, you may also edit the /monobook.js (assuming your skin is monobook) subpage of your userpage.
[09:36:42] <plop28>	how di i limit research ignoring URL in the content of articles ?
[09:39:18] <plop28>	how do i restrict research ignoring URL in the content of articles ?
[09:39:52] <Arvernes>	Splarka: thank you. It works fine
[09:43:15] <Splarka>	mwbot, late and unhelpful as usual
[09:44:26] <plop28>	how do i restrict research ignoring URL in the content of articles ?
[09:53:05] <plop28>	how do i restrict search ignoring URL in the content of articles ?
[09:56:49] <plop28>	Can I modify the media wiki's Search Engine ?
[09:59:05] <plop28>	Can I modify the media wiki's Search Engine ??
[10:00:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Problem with Special:Import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13068  (10moissinac)
[10:08:45] <Landlord>	ok so
[10:08:53] <Landlord>	who can help me implement a css thingy into a wiki
[10:11:28] <Landlord>	alp can you
[10:14:01] <Landlord>	guys
[10:14:04] <Landlord>	cummon activity ;(
[10:19:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'catlinks' div still shows when only having hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13182 minor; low; MediaWiki: Categories; (jhsoby)
[10:22:15] <Landlord>	ialex can you
[10:22:17] <Landlord>	godnato can you
[10:22:17] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) 'catlinks' div still shows when only having hidden categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13182  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:22:18] <Landlord>	:)
[10:22:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Category box shouldn't be shown when empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13152  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:25:01] <Landlord>	TimStarling can you :)
[10:27:22] <Landlord>	remnant can you :)
[10:28:16] <TimStarling>	can I what? smile?
[10:28:50] <Landlord>	no
[10:28:53] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31375 10/USERINFO/ (32 files): Adding svn:eol-style native to files that don't have it
[10:28:58] <Landlord>	can you help me implement a css thingy into mah wiki
[10:28:58] <Landlord>	:)
[10:30:32] <TimStarling>	that doesn't sound like much fun
[10:30:40] <Landlord>	but
[10:30:43] <Landlord>	it would be NICE!
[10:31:52] <Splarka>	the first problem is, you want javascript, not css, for dropdown wikis
[10:32:12] <Landlord>	no
[10:32:12] <Landlord>	i don't
[10:32:18] <Landlord>	http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/final_drop.html
[10:32:25] <foxlit>	Personally, I find the concept of dropdown wikis disturbing
[10:32:45] <Splarka>	the second problem is, you are using DokuWiki, not MediaWiki
[10:32:55] <Landlord>	no i'm not :(
[10:32:58] <Landlord>	i am using mediawiki
[10:33:01] <Landlord>	www.ffowa.org
[10:33:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[10:36:08] <McCormack>	I'm wondering what steps are still necessary for activation request 13163. Should I push this, or should I be patient?
[10:36:21] <Landlord>	where did everyone who was potentially going to help me go
[10:36:31] <Splarka>	well, the site you were trying to copy is, that is
[10:36:37] <Landlord>	yeah
[10:37:54] <Landlord>	but i asked dokuwiki dudes about it and found out it is just css so now i need help implementing it
[10:39:29] <Duesentrieb>	Landlord: it would help if you would actually say what you are trying to do.
[10:39:46] <Landlord>	um i did didn't i? :(
[10:39:49] <Landlord>	i want to implement [4:33am] <Landlord> chewey
[10:39:49] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <chewey> ANOTHER WAY TO CONFIRM I AM A LESBIAN?! WHERE
[10:39:49] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <chewey> OM NOM NOM
[10:39:49] <Landlord>	[4:33am] chewey (ultimate_a@Acidchat-63AE59E8.skymesh.net.au) has parted. «21 people»
[10:39:49] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <Landlord> remember the bet where i said sarah was gonna say "pee" and you said she was gonna say "om nom nom"
[10:39:50] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <Landlord> you won
[10:39:52] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <Landlord> ;-;;
[10:39:54] <Landlord>	[4:33am] <Landlord> bye chewey
[10:39:56] <Landlord>	WHOOPS SORRY
[10:39:58] <Landlord>	:(
[10:40:00] <Landlord>	wrong paste
[10:40:20] <Landlord>	i wamt to implement http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/final_drop.html into my wiki so it is always at the top of the content box
[10:40:26] <Landlord>	also how embarassing :(
[10:41:45] <Duesentrieb>	*wrong* paste :P
[10:42:19] <Duesentrieb>	Landlord: without looking ia it much, it's probably not possible without modifying the generated html. i.e. hacking areound the skin's php code
[10:42:24] <McCormack>	 I'm still wondering what steps are still necessary for activation request 13163. Should I push this, or should I be patient? :-)
[10:42:46] <Landlord>	Duesentrieb, i was kind of figuring so
[10:42:58] <Splarka>	look both ways before crossing the street, sniff milk before drinking it, and clear your clipboard after every copy/paste
[10:43:17] <Landlord>	if it was anything else i would be able to do it myself but i'm not really familiar with hacking the php
[10:43:27] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: i wouldn't even know how to do that. clear the clipboard? 
[10:43:50] <Splarka>	....then you'll need javascript....
[10:44:16] <Landlord>	will i?
[10:44:17] <Landlord>	=(
[10:44:17] <Duesentrieb>	Landlord: well, the skin's php is not very involved php-wise. it's mostly steight-forward html. it just looks messy because of the php-bits strewn in.
[10:44:23] <Splarka>	Dues: in windows it is as easy as hitting printscreen, (to replace any text with an unpastable (in IRC) image)
[10:45:25] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: true. what i really want is this: the IRC cleint should warn/ask me about anything i paste containing a line break. that would be smart-
[10:45:42] *Duesentrieb 	hast accidentally pasted 50 lines of junk code before, just by hitting the wrong key
[10:46:03] *McCormack 	toddles off and will be back later to pester people with his questions about activation request 13163.
[10:46:06] <Landlord>	Duesentrieb, ok so
[10:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	i guess it would be easy enough to do that - well
[10:46:24] <Landlord>	yeah
[10:46:26] <Landlord>	idk what to ask
[10:46:28] <Landlord>	haha ;-;
[10:46:49] <plop28>	what does the "header already sent" error means ?
[10:46:58] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: which client?
[10:47:04] <Duesentrieb>	Landlord: no one is going to do it for you. you'll at least have to *try* yourself first.
[10:47:15] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: konversation, at the moment.
[10:47:20] <Landlord>	yeah
[10:47:27] <Splarka>	ahh, mIRC makes it easy...
[10:47:31] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: but it should become a standard feature imho.
[10:48:04] <Duesentrieb>	McCormack: if you want to bug people about wikimedia sites, do so on #wikimedia-tech
[10:48:50] <Splarka>	konversation seems to support shell scripts
[10:50:02] <McCormack>	Duesentrieb: understood - I got sent here from wm-tech a while back and haven't quite got the different right! Thanks for the clarification.
[10:50:24] <Duesentrieb>	McCormack: the difference is in the topic :)
[10:58:28] <foxlit>	http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/2
[10:58:30] <foxlit>	Bugs me
[10:58:46] <foxlit>	For some reason, {{gallery}} recursion works, but Sandbox/3 or Sandbox/6 does not
[11:01:43] <Duesentrieb>	foxlit: template recursion is simply forbidden.
[11:01:53] <Duesentrieb>	opne template can use another, but not itself.
[11:02:10] <foxlit>	Duesentrib: That's clearly not the observed effect?
[11:02:30] <foxlit>	Ah, I see
[11:02:56] <foxlit>	Well, I can work with the current bug
[11:02:57] <Duesentrieb>	foxlit: huh?...#
[11:03:10] <foxlit>	Gallery template on that linked page recurses
[11:05:20] <Duesentrieb>	foxlit: if it does, it's a bug. 
[11:06:20] <foxlit>	also, "Splarka: foxlit: complex question, especially since the preprocessor has been rewritten for 1.12, I believe it aborts if it finds proof on the page of a loop, and if not, it will abort if it reaches something like 40 iterations before detecting a loop, or something" a bit earlier
[11:06:50] <foxlit>	would that "proof of a loop" be simply a template name check?
[11:07:01] <TimStarling>	yes
[11:07:24] <Duesentrieb>	foxlit: talk to tim, he's the master of the preprocessor.
[11:07:24] <TimStarling>	template name hashtable
[11:07:28] <foxlit>	Painful. :(
[11:07:59] <TimStarling>	I've been investigating the feasibility of audio captchas today
[11:08:03] <Duesentrieb>	foxlit: allowing free recursion would make it a turing complete language. you don't really want that for a template system...
[11:08:19] <TimStarling>	I wanted to know what sort of noise model you'd need to stop them from being broken
[11:08:21] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: he's also using 1.10
[11:08:37] <Splarka>	so the new pp stuff doesn't apply
[11:09:00] <foxlit>	besides "not really need", is there a compelling reason not to take into the account template parameters?
[11:09:15] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: recursion was always forbidden, and always for the same reason. the way it's detected/enforced may have changed, right
[11:09:16] <foxlit>	post/pre-expand limits will kill any sort of run-away recursion eventually anyway.
[11:09:19] <TimStarling>	but it seems that cross-correlation is an annoyingly powerful tool for identifying a known recording mixed into a noisy signal
[11:09:51] <TimStarling>	foxlit: if you want to write a little program inside a wiki, you can always use PHP
[11:10:30] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: forbidden under certain circumstances, but not all
[11:10:46] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: the only exception i know is <noinclude>
[11:10:48] <Splarka>	a pair of allowed (in the old PP) template loops was a test we used for the new PP
[11:11:18] <Duesentrieb>	i see the point in forach loops. i see no point in recursion for templates
[11:11:37] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ParserDiffTest/Infinite_recursion
[11:11:50] <foxlit>	It's really a workaround for missing set-parameter commands
[11:11:53] <Splarka>	this is an example of the noinclude calling itself a set number of times
[11:11:58] <TimStarling>	finding the correlation function only takes O(N log N) in the number of audio samples
[11:12:19] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: ugh :/
[11:12:27] *Splarka 	snickers
[11:12:28] <TimStarling>	so even if you can vary the input slightly by changing its frequency, you can still do a brute force attack
[11:12:35] <Splarka>	Dues: the goal was consistency
[11:13:06] *Splarka 	tries to remember the other one
[11:13:11] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: where can i see the source of that?
[11:13:23] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Infinite_recursion&action=edit
[11:13:35] <TimStarling>	there was a bug in the old infinite recursion check
[11:13:53] <TimStarling>	it would have been possible to exploit it to write loops and thereby build a mediawiki parser in mediawiki or whatever it is you're doing
[11:14:04] <Splarka>	Template:Loop/deloop -> {{Template:Loop/{{{1}}}}}
[11:14:05] <Splarka>	called with: {{Loop/deloop|deloop}}
[11:14:07] <TimStarling>	it's fixed now
[11:14:12] <Ganondorf>	I took two pills of Jet-Alert of 200 mg caffeine...6 hours ago. and It's 3 AM and I STILL can't sleep
[11:14:16] <Ganondorf>	XPP
[11:14:32] <Splarka>	ahh right, that one got fixed
[11:14:35] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:14:52] <Splarka>	there was some inconsistency with calling a template that was a redirect to itself
[11:15:14] <Splarka>	in the new PP, sometimes it would simply abort with a loop detection, but on enwp one example was causing the page to timeout
[11:15:36] <Ganondorf>	You two are apperently busy. I'll leave you guys alone.
[11:15:38] <Splarka>	(fixed by removing the template from the page calling it)
[11:16:32] <Splarka>	Tim: wasn't there another type of loop, other than the infinite recursion example above, that did work?
[11:16:36] <Splarka>	or was it a variation on the same...
[11:17:03] <foxlit>	Hm, judging by the 1.12 test site, what I'm looking at is still around
[11:18:31] *Splarka 	decides on sleeps
[11:19:59] <Ganondorf>	You guys are not speaking english.
[11:20:01] <Ganondorf>	Woah.
[11:20:07] <Ganondorf>	Complicated nerd work.
[11:20:13] <foxlit>	Tim: I think the template name check is case-sensitive
[11:20:17] <Ganondorf>	I mean, I'm a geek, yet I have no clue what you are talking about.
[11:21:23] *Werdna 	waves
[11:21:32] <Ganondorf>	Hi Werdna.
[11:21:39] <Werdna>	TimStarling: did you know if brion had a squizz at invitations yet?
[11:21:40] *Ganondorf 	waves back
[11:21:46] <Werdna>	hey
[11:21:52] <foxlit>	Suppoing you have [[Template:Foo]] containing "foo {{Foo}}", and include it on a page with {{foo}}, you'd actually get foo foo [[Template:Foo]].
[11:22:16] <Ganondorf>	Hey Werdna, I took 2 Jet-Alert caffeine pills with 200 mg of caffeine each.
[11:22:20] <Ganondorf>	I STILL CANNOT SLEEP
[11:22:22] <Ganondorf>	D:
[11:22:30] <Werdna>	bad idea
[11:22:34] <Ganondorf>	I know.
[11:22:35] <Ganondorf>	:/
[11:22:41] <Ganondorf>	But hey, for 3 bucks.
[11:22:45] <Ganondorf>	Not a bad deal.
[11:22:50] <Ganondorf>	90 pills.
[11:22:51] <Ganondorf>	xD
[11:22:54] <Werdna>	o__O
[11:22:58] *Werdna 	does not enquire further
[11:23:40] <Ganondorf>	2.99$ for 90 caplets of 200 mg Caffiene in each cap, now thats awesome. yet...
[11:23:43] <Ganondorf>	Coffee is better.
[11:23:47] <Ganondorf>	But more expensive..
[11:24:17] <Werdna>	why on earth would you want that much caffeine?
[11:24:27] <Ganondorf>	I didn't know 400 mg was a lot.
[11:24:33] <Ganondorf>	I've never taken pills.
[11:24:43] <Ganondorf>	Except 1 Tylenol.
[11:24:55] <Ganondorf>	For a migran I had on work.
[11:25:08] <Ganondorf>	So 400 mg of Caffeine is a lot?
[11:26:45] <Ganondorf>	I cannot believe how stupid I am.
[11:26:51] <Ganondorf>	I should have researched more.
[11:27:08] *Werdna 	directs Ganondorf to #defocus
[11:27:26] <Ganondorf>	I figured "If I can drink a mug of coffee, 2 Caffeine pills is nothing" oh how wrong I was.
[11:27:29] <Ganondorf>	I can't sleep.
[11:27:34] <foxlit>	fatal doze: 150mg / kg of bodymass
[11:27:39] <foxlit>	courtesy of local media
[11:28:02] <Ganondorf>	So, Fatal...meaning I'm dead?
[11:28:05] <Ganondorf>	O_o...
[11:28:26] <foxlit>	Assuming you weigh more than 2.85 kg, you should be okay.
[11:28:34] <Ganondorf>	I'm 145 pounds.
[11:28:46] <TimStarling>	omg that's 2.5kg
[11:28:50] *foxlit 	ponders the spelling typo; "fatal doze", hah.
[11:28:59] <TimStarling>	you should find a doctor
[11:29:27] <Werdna>	eh?
[11:29:31] <Ganondorf>	I've drank loads of coffee since I was a kid, my body is used to caffeine.
[11:29:46] <Ganondorf>	I normally drink 2 mugs of coffee a day.
[11:30:04] <TimStarling>	just trying to make jokes about people who don't know what kilograms are
[11:30:37] <Ganondorf>	Meh. I've been fine for the past 6 and a half hours.
[11:30:40] <Ganondorf>	Just can't sleep
[11:30:46] <Ganondorf>	And I'm a bit jittery.
[11:30:49] <Ganondorf>	Thats it though.
[11:31:05] <TimStarling>	so why are you in this channel telling us about it?
[11:31:12] <TimStarling>	do you know someone here?
[11:31:18] <Ganondorf>	I have nothing eles to do?
[11:31:24] <foxlit>	"Caffeine has a significant effect on spiders, which is reflected in their web construction"
[11:31:34] <foxlit>	Wikipedia: everything you ever wanted to know and then some.
[11:54:47] <CIA-43>	03emiller * r31376 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Google Maps Extension: Make an article link out of each marker's title. Bugfix: in parsed articles, newlines replaced with a space instead of being stripped entirely (so they render correctly in web browsers).
[12:25:27] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[12:25:44] <Landlord>	hi
[12:33:10] <Waldir>	hi there... it just opccured to me this idea, I wanted to knwo if anyone has thought of this before: to have a link in a diff do go back (or forward) 2 edits
[12:33:28] <Waldir>	that would be useful to bypass reverts
[12:33:40] <Waldir>	*wanted to know
[12:33:58] <Waldir>	*occured :|
[12:35:14] <qubodup>	hello people
[12:35:56] <Waldir>	qubodup: hi, want to ask a question? it looks like nobody's here.. :p
[12:36:13] <qubodup>	I'm currently creating a new style and was wondering whether there is some wiki page floating around, which contains all the standard elements
[12:39:10] <Waldir>	All i can do to help you is point you these two links that you possibly already know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GeorgeMoney/UsefulCSS and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:User_style
[12:42:23] <Duesentrieb>	!style
[12:42:23] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[12:42:44] <Duesentrieb>	hm, i thought ther ewere more links in that factoid
[12:44:21] <qubodup>	Waldir: nopz, didn't know 'bout them. Sorry I totally didn't make clear what I wanted so new try: =)
[12:44:33] <Waldir>	lol... Duesentrieb can you help me with my question?
[12:45:00] <qubodup>	I want a page, which contains an example article, using all the default wiki synthax elements =)
[12:45:37] <Waldir>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet ? 9.9
[12:45:47] <qubodup>	Waldir: good idea
[12:45:53] <Waldir>	^^
[12:46:12] <qubodup>	hmmm. not good enough =) doesn't have tables etc
[12:47:20] <Waldir>	yea if you find a page with all the syntax you should link it from the cheatsheet ;)
[12:48:11] <Waldir>	but I guess you'll have to have a few pages open to cover all syntax. I'm afraid such "complete syntax reference" doesnt exist. would you create it? :)
[12:48:56] <Duesentrieb>	Waldir: i donÄt think it's possible. you can write a parserfunction to do it. however, stepping over a revert isn't trivial: it may revert more than one edit (reverts und all *consecutive* edits by the user that last edited)
[12:49:01] <qubodup>	Waldir: I don't think I know all the elements which a standard mediawiki installation provides...
[12:49:36] <Duesentrieb>	qubodup: what kind of "elements" are you talking about?
[12:50:00] <Duesentrieb>	you mean which css classes are used?
[12:50:31] <Waldir>	Duesentrieb: yes but it might be useful since (I suppose) most reverts are only one edit long... it would at least save some time when searching for a particular edit in the history (like I am doing now :P)
[12:51:05] <Duesentrieb>	i don't get it. how would this help?
[12:51:08] <qubodup>	Duesentrieb: um are they called tags? Well, everything wiki synthax, which is accepted by vanilla mediawiki like ==Headers== and {|Tables|} and '''bolds'''...
[12:51:49] <qubodup>	Duesentrieb: not only classes, since css can be defined for elements
[12:52:06] <qubodup>	(classless elements)
[12:52:12] <Duesentrieb>	they arn't called anything, really. "stuff the parser does" :P but again, they are hard to enumerate. are thumbnailed images the same "thing" as inline images? etc
[12:52:58] <Duesentrieb>	there's also a lot of things that may depend on localization
[12:53:13] <Duesentrieb>	or stuff that is not "really" syntax. like magic to automatically recognize dates, and change them
[12:53:19] <Duesentrieb>	change the formatting, that is
[12:53:41] <Duesentrieb>	qubodup: what do you want this for anyway?
[12:54:57] <Waldir>	Duesentrieb: It would help since instead of loading two diffs I could skip one when I see a reversion (i know the previous one was vandalism -- if the reverted user matches the reversion summary of course). This would mean less requests to the servers and less browsing time for people with a slow connection.
[12:54:58] <qubodup>	Duesentrieb: I'm making a skin and I want such a page for bugfixing = instead of carefully writing css, looking wheather it works out in the end product. The reason is that I'm not writing from skrach, but modifying an existant css
[12:55:30] <Duesentrieb>	qubodup: what does css have to do with wikitext syntax?
[12:55:55] <Duesentrieb>	qubodup: also, css influences a lot of things that are not generated from wikitext, but directly by the skin, or by extensions, or by specialpage code.
[12:56:31] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31377 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: +check for creating sort-key titles, prevent problems when sorting with illegal titles
[12:56:40] <Duesentrieb>	Waldir: well it would be *really* useful if revisions resulting from reverts would be tagged as such in the database. then they could be cleanly skipped
[12:56:50] <qubodup>	css influences how the result of wikisynthax is displayed
[12:56:52] <Waldir>	can they?
[12:57:02] <Duesentrieb>	they *could*
[12:57:05] <qubodup>	Duesentrieb: css influences how the result of wikisynthax is displayed
[12:57:07] <Duesentrieb>	if we had that data in the database
[12:57:10] <Waldir>	is it hard to do?
[12:57:11] <Duesentrieb>	wiuch would be really nice
[12:58:33] <Waldir>	is there a bug requesting this? should I file one? :)
[12:58:44] <Duesentrieb>	qubodup: yes, sure. but a full enumeration of that is not going to help you much, since much of what you see, and what your style needs to influence, does *not* come from wiki syntax. and most of the generated html is pretty streight forward anyway. plain html tags, without anything fancy. the only interesting classes used are TOC classes and link classes.
[12:59:25] <Duesentrieb>	Waldir: it's not very hard, but a bit intricate i guess. maybe the flagged revision work covers it, maybe not. there has been talk about it before, but i don't know if it's on bugzilla. feel free to request it
[13:00:16] <Waldir>	sure, I'll do it right after lunch, now I gotta go :)
[13:00:24] <qubodup>	Duesentrieb: but tags can be influenced by css as well. Nearly all tags on a wiki page are influenced by css..
[13:00:39] <qubodup>	well, depending on the skin
[13:00:41] <Duesentrieb>	err? yes. that was my point.
[13:01:03] <Duesentrieb>	is your question what html tags can be generated by mediawiki?
[13:01:08] <qubodup>	no
[13:02:24] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31378 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.i18n.php: 
[13:02:24] <CIA-43>	* article -> page
[13:02:24] <CIA-43>	* fix indentation
[13:09:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Hidden category" when displayed should be a link - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13183 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (jon513)
[13:18:47] <nzvip>	How do I allow sysops to insert javascript into articles/templates, but no one else?
[13:19:46] <flyingparchment>	nzvip: that's not really possible, because if someone else edits the page after the sysop, it becomes complicated to decide who really added it
[13:19:58] <flyingparchment>	nzvip: the closest you can do is use MediaWiki:Common.js -- or, look at the HTMLets extension, which i believe is meant for this
[13:20:13] <nzvip>	True.
[13:24:14] <Duesentrieb>	!html
[13:24:14] --mwbot--	For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[13:24:20] <Duesentrieb>	several options there
[13:29:09] <nzvip>	Thank you.
[13:32:22] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31379 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryBlocks.php: (Bug 13175) Added example for list=blocks
[13:32:35] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API's action=help lists no example for list=blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13175  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:41:35] <guillom>	hi
[13:50:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) inclusive category lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13184 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (gods1216)
[13:59:06] <skiidoo>	I had to cleanup my DB from many spambots registrations, they were using .ru domains email addresses. I've been reading the Manual: but I can't find a way to ban an email address from registering. Is it even possible?
[14:00:06] <adrien28>	hi all, how can i enable relevance in mediawiki ?
[14:00:27] <adrien28>	site is on W2003 srver
[14:01:35] <ialex>	skiidoo: use can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/isValidEmailAddr
[14:02:25] <ialex>	but this was added in 1.12
[14:03:20] <skiidoo>	Hmm, I'm currently running the 1.11.0 (api is disabled hehe), so you're saying there were no such email ban feature before 1.12?
[14:05:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bots to edit protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13137  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[14:10:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bots to edit protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13137  (10waldir)
[14:11:46] <Duesentrieb>	adrien28: wth is relevance?
[14:18:14] <Waldir_>	Duesentrieb: i tried searching bugzilla, but the closest bug from what I said was bug:7377
[14:18:36] <Waldir_>	!bug 7377
[14:18:36] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7377
[14:19:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[14:20:12] <Waldir_>	Duesentrieb: do you think there might be a closer one? I didnt want to add a duplicate bug
[14:20:33] <Duesentrieb>	Waldir_: hm... i think identifying and skipping rollback was one of the reasons the rev_parent_id was added to the revision table. but i think it didn't get used.
[14:20:47] <Duesentrieb>	maybe look who did that, or where it was discussed.
[14:20:58] <Duesentrieb>	if it's not on bugzilla, perhaps look at the mailing list
[14:21:15] <Waldir_>	mediawiki mailing list?
[14:21:51] <Duesentrieb>	probably
[14:22:07] <Duesentrieb>	might look at wikitech too, but it would be a bit OT there
[14:22:36] <Waldir_>	ok I noted it down, will research this this weekend, hopefully. thanks for the hints :) I am leaving now.
[14:27:13] <adrien28>	Duesentrieb, euuh im french sorry. its the english translation for the word pertinence in french, you know the percentage under a result search
[14:32:21] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31380 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/DT_ViewXML.php: Added underscore replacement for XML strings, and new ID field for each entity
[14:32:47] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31381 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/languages/DT_Messages.php: Added 'ID' value
[14:33:11] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31382 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/ (INSTALL includes/DT_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.1.2
[14:36:54] <Duesentrieb>	adrien28: a, you mean relevance of items returned by the search. the term "relevance" is ok for that in english, but without context, i didn't know what you where talking about
[14:37:56] <Duesentrieb>	adrien28: anyway, per default, mediawiki uses mysql's fulltext index, which, does not support relevance ranking, i think (or at least does not give meanignful values). The search you see on Wikipedia etc is powered by lucene, see the LuceneSearch plugin.
[14:38:13] <Duesentrieb>	using lucene for searching requires quite a bit of setup and maintenance, though
[15:04:14] <VasilievVV>	ialex: congrats!
[15:04:21] <ialex>	VasilievVV: thanks
[15:04:24] <slee>	hi, I'm getting a SQL syntax error when upgrading to 1.11.0
[15:04:28] <ialex>	:)
[15:04:32] <slee>	can any one give me some advice?
[15:04:47] <ialex>	slee: what does it say ?
[15:05:43] <slee>	You have an error in your SQL syntax [snip] right syntax to use near 'binary not null default '', value mediumblob, exptime datetime, unique key (k' at line 2 (localhost)"
[15:06:07] <slee>	in CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache
[15:06:55] <slee>	sorry the start of the statement is 
[15:07:16] <slee>	CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) binary not null default '',  value mediumblob,
[15:07:20] <slee>	is it the  ''   ?
[15:07:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	no, don't think so, but i'm a sql noob anyway :)
[15:08:09] <Jack_Phoenix>	exptime datetime, unique key (k' <--- it should escape the ' in there
[15:08:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	like unique key (k\'
[15:08:22] <Jack_Phoenix>	or so
[15:08:32] <Jack_Phoenix>	(I think, feel free to correct me though)
[15:09:08] <slee>	sure that looks odd but I don't know what it is showing - why line 2?
[15:09:40] <Jack_Phoenix>	er - *what* is line two exactly, then?
[15:11:27] <slee>	Well I don't know which file to look in as it gives no clues.
[15:11:44] <slee>	the config/index.php is blank on line 2
[15:12:09] <ialex>	the "correct" statement should be CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) binary not null default '',  value mediumblob, exptime datetime, UNIQUE KEY (keyname), KEY (exptime) )
[15:12:27] <slee>	or a comment, depedning if yo ustart with 0 or 1 ;-)
[15:12:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	tables.sql in your-wiki-folder/maintenance, I think
[15:12:28] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Special:Userrights mishandles #userid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13135  +comment (10atluxity)
[15:12:33] <ialex>	slee: from wich version are you upgrading ?
[15:12:47] <slee>	um where do I look?
[15:13:18] <slee>	ialex: soz ^
[15:13:42] <ialex>	Special:Version on your wiki (if it works)
[15:14:23] <slee>	ialex: nope - I can access DB though
[15:16:00] <ialex>	slee: you use mysql or postgres ?
[15:16:17] <slee>	ialex: mysql
[15:16:59] <ialex>	slee: can you try to execute "CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) binary not null default '',  value mediumblob, exptime datetime, UNIQUE KEY (keyname), KEY (exptime) )"
[15:17:28] <ialex>	(without the quotes)
[15:18:46] <slee>	ialex:  ;-)
[15:19:20] <slee>	I get much the same error. I don't like the backticks around o_objectcache,  is that valid?
[15:19:42] <slee>	Perhaps the sql version, but another site on the same host upgraded OK
[15:19:42] <ialex>	it should
[15:19:50] <ialex>	wich version ?
[15:20:47] <slee>	ialex: ah found it  - MySQL client version: 5.0.32 - not sure about 'client' bit  though
[15:21:43] <ialex>	slee: MediaWiki requires 4.0, i think this is not the problem
[15:22:52] <slee>	ialex: ok well I see UTF-8 Unicode (utf8)  and collation is utf8_unicode_ci
[15:23:08] <slee>	could that be an issue or is that just data not systax
[15:23:13] <slee>	*syntax
[15:24:40] <ialex>	slee: and without the backticks ?
[15:27:20] <slee>	ialex: hmm doesn't like the quote at the end, error says ''binary not null default †'
[15:30:43] <ialex>	slee: maybe CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) not null default '',  value mediumblob, exptime datetime, UNIQUE KEY (keyname), KEY (exptime) ) 
[15:31:52] <slee>	ialex: nah still right syntax to use near '†. 
[15:32:06] <slee>	ialex: I have to go, will pop back later
[15:32:13] <slee>	thx for your help so far
[15:48:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser breaks signatures inside gallery tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13120  (10daniel)
[15:50:50] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[15:57:46] <Cryx>	Hello! Anyone know is it possible to make link to wikipage which opens in popup? 
[16:08:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <substonly> and <nosubst> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4484  +comment (10erwin)
[16:23:07] <slee>	ialex: ping
[16:23:17] <ialex>	slee: yes
[16:23:42] <slee>	hi there, well in my IRC clientthe default value is getting changed into a funny double quote
[16:24:08] <slee>	if I use 2 singles (empty string) and loose the back ticks the SQL works
[16:24:32] <ialex>	slee: and it worked ?
[16:24:33] <slee>	I checked tables.sql and it looks good. I think the backticks may come form the error message
[16:24:54] <slee>	or perhaps is some strange quoting going on when the ph runs?
[16:25:29] <slee>	table already exists, perhaps that was me
[16:26:12] <slee>	ialex: is just trying config again ok?
[16:26:33] <ialex>	slee: yes
[16:26:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Possibility to get List where Value is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13169  (10dasch_87)
[16:26:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Property::Value Bundle - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13178  (10dasch_87)
[16:29:57] <slee>	ialex: huh, it tried to create it again and with same error, but it is there ?
[16:30:54] <ialex>	slee: are you sure you entered the good prefix ?
[16:32:45] <slee>	ialex: yes and it detected previous 2 tables existed
[16:33:17] <slee>	ialex: ohh hold on, php admin says 'in use' for o_objectcache rather than table properties.
[16:33:24] <slee>	can it be locked somehow?
[16:33:46] <slee>	that could cause that behaviour
[16:33:55] <ialex>	i'm not a mysql specialist :)
[16:34:18] <slee>	ok
[16:34:21] <Jack_Phoenix>	ialex, orly? :P
[16:34:32] <slee>	ialex: perhaps safe to just drop it?
[16:34:36] *ialex 	stabs Jack_Phoenix
[16:34:49] *Jack_Phoenix 	adds [citation needed] to ialex's statement ;->
[16:35:19] *slee 	detects a little friendly sparring
[16:35:25] <Wiredtape>	for the stab or the specialist? :)
[16:35:32] <Wiredtape>	^ Jack_Phoenix
[16:35:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	hmmm...on both ;-)
[16:35:53] <Jack_Phoenix>	if in doubt, demand citations <g>
[16:35:59] <Wiredtape>	:)
[16:37:39] <Wiredtape>	i want an interesting conversation, now! :)
[16:37:51] <slee>	ialex: Ah I tried to look at the table structure and 'Table './fullmeasure/o_objectcache' is marked as crashed and should be repaired '
[16:38:01] <slee>	Wiredtape: how interesting is that ^ :_)
[16:38:33] <Wiredtape>	:-\ .. 
[16:38:34] <Wiredtape>	so so
[16:38:51] *slee 	wonders if sage to just drop objectcache?
[16:38:55] <slee>	*dafe
[16:39:03] <slee>	*safe - good grief
[16:39:11] <Wiredtape>	sage also works.. :)
[16:39:12] <ialex>	slee: maybe try ##mysql
[16:39:32] <slee>	k
[16:39:46] <Wiredtape>	what's the problem? (also the guys at #mysql, are pretty funny characters.. you'll enjoy getting help )
[16:40:47] <Wiredtape>	just a minor thought: i'm making an analytics engine for mw.. can anyone see a reason why "navigation" shouldn't be a class?
[16:41:19] <Wiredtape>	navigation would be the path, referer and actions taken on individual pages..
[16:45:19] <slee>	Wiredtape: hey, upgrade crashes at o_objectcache
[16:45:30] <slee>	phpmyadmin say in_use for that table
[16:45:41] <slee>	I justs tried a REPAIRE but makes no difference
[16:46:46] <Wiredtape>	o_objectcache is empty?
[16:47:19] <Wiredtape>	in terms of fields, data and so on..?
[16:48:37] <slee>	I dunno I can't access it - get 'marked as crashed' but repair says already up to date.
[16:48:47] <slee>	I can't browse it as myphpadmin icon is greyed out
[16:48:49] <Wiredtape>	through phpmyadmin?
[16:48:52] <Wiredtape>	hmm..
[16:49:18] <slee>	i also tried REPAIR TABLE o_objectcache query
[16:49:21] <Wiredtape>	is o_objectcache used by anything else? (i'm guessing no) if not then just trash it and try again?
[16:49:46] <slee>	well I've got nothing to loose, can hope it is a temp cache ;-)
[16:50:15] <Wiredtape>	:)
[16:53:03] <slee>	Wiredtape: Right I'm back to the original syntax error in the PHP created SQL
[16:53:28] <slee>	Query "CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) binary not null default '',  value mediumblob,   exptime datetime,  unique key (keyname), key (exptime)  ) TYPE=MyISAM
[16:54:50] <slee>	[snip] check syntax near 'binary not null default '',  value mediumblob,  exptime datetime,  unique key (k' at line 2 (localhost)".
[16:55:26] <slee>	Wiredtape: that funny quote after default seems to be from cut and paste to chatzilla
[16:57:35] <Wiredtape>	slee.. ok.. so there's no funny quote? (did you take a look through a hex editor at the file with the query?)
[16:57:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	killing db table prefix should be as simple as RENAME TABLE ... TO ...; and the editing LocalSettings.php, right?
[16:57:58] <slee>	no in erro it lloks like normal emptry string.
[16:58:51] <slee>	Wiredtape: which file, tables.sql looks wrong as its always running several CREATE TABLES in a row
[16:59:44] <Wiredtape>	Jack_Pheonix, yes?
[17:00:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	ah, good :-)
[17:00:21] <Wiredtape>	slee, where did you get the query from? check the file with a hex editor to see if tere's no problem near binary not null default
[17:00:23] *Jack_Phoenix 	needs to kill a few table prefixes
[17:00:56] <slee>	Wiredtape: I'm just running config to upgrade  so the error appears in my web browser
[17:01:18] <slee>	I don't know which php source file it is and have no shell so can't grep
[17:01:44] <Wiredtape>	slee, ok.. hold on.. 
[17:03:37] <Wiredtape>	slee, what ver are you trying to update from?
[17:03:58] <Wiredtape>	is it 1.3.3 or 1.3.9?
[17:04:45] <slee>	Wiredtape: where is that? I can't run Special:Version and not spotted it in anyplace in DB
[17:06:10] <Wiredtape>	slee, i thought you said you're trying to upgrade.. you don't know which version you are upgrading from??
[17:06:54] <slee>	Wiredtape: no I can't remember as I set it up ages ago, and hit this error several months back
[17:07:10] <slee>	I'm now getting interest in it so need to get it working ;-)
[17:07:57] <slee>	Iam assuming there's a version stamp someplace ?
[17:09:29] <Wiredtape>	umm.. i dunno :) other than special:version.. try looking at includes to see what special:version calls
[17:09:32] <brion>	includes/DefaultSettings.php will include $wgVersion definition
[17:09:47] <brion>	anyway, if you're upgrading it doesn't particularly matter what old version you had
[17:09:50] <Wiredtape>	slee, do you have any important information in that db?
[17:10:13] <brion>	other than being nice to know just to edify yourself
[17:10:49] <slee>	Wiredtape: lots of content entered by someone so be a pain to lose it, nothing private though
[17:10:51] <Wiredtape>	brion, problem is with o_objectcache create table.. "CREATE TABLE `o_objectcache` ( keyname varbinary(255) binary not null default ,  value mediumblob,   exptime datetime,  unique key (keyname), key (exptime)  ) TYPE=MyISAM" error is->
[17:11:15] <Wiredtape>	check syntax near 'binary not null default
[17:11:23] <brion>	what's the mysql version?
[17:11:50] <ialex>	5.0.32
[17:11:58] <slee>	brion: default looks like empty string in error  but cut and paiste morphs it 
[17:12:32] <brion>	what version of mw are you upgrading *to*?
[17:13:55] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Problem with Special:Import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13068  (10brion)
[17:14:41] <slee>	brion $wgVersion= '1.11.0'
[17:15:00] <brion>	ok, first of all don't install an old version!
[17:15:16] <brion>	if you're installing 1.11, install the current release, 1.11.1
[17:15:35] *slee 	thought was latest, checks
[17:15:36] <brion>	January 23, 2008
[17:15:36] <brion>	This is a security and bugfix release of the Fall 2007 snapshot release of
[17:15:36] <brion>	MediaWiki. A potential XSS injection vector affecting api.php only for
[17:15:37] <brion>	Microsoft Internet Explorer users has been closed.
[17:15:37] <brion>	Changes in this release:
[17:15:37] <brion>	* (bug 11450) Fix creation of objectcache table on upgrade
[17:15:39] <brion>	* (bug 11462) Fix typo in LanguageGetSpecialPageAliases hook name
[17:15:41] <brion>	* Fix regression in LinkBatch.php breaking PHP 5.0
[17:15:43] <brion>	* Security fix for API on MSIE
[17:15:49] <brion>	notice how this release specifically addresses the issue you are having :)
[17:16:16] <Wiredtape>	:)
[17:16:23] <Wiredtape>	brion, to the rescue!
[17:16:24] <slee>	brion: doh! I must have looked in the wrong place
[17:16:32] <brion>	:)
[17:17:02] <slee>	can you give be a link to the bug tracker for that bug as I'm dying to know what the syntax error is
[17:17:33] <brion>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/11450
[17:17:36] <slee>	strange thing is I'm sure a mate upgraded from same version w/o problem
[17:18:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Userrights mishandles #userid - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13135  +comment (10brion)
[17:19:17] <slee>	brion: ahah 'binary' I missed that too.
[17:19:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10brion)
[17:20:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) index.php does not honor the variant param with action=raw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12683  (10brion)
[17:22:04] <slee>	brion, Wiredtape, ialex: thanks for all your help guys, sorry for being a twat. MediaWiki rocks bigtime!
[17:22:26] *slee 	uploads 1.11.1
[17:24:08] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) inclusive category lists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13184  +comment (10brion)
[17:24:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  +comment (10brion)
[17:24:56] <Cryx>	Hello! Anyone know is it possible to make link to wikipage which opens in popup? 
[17:25:46] <CIA-43>	03amidaniel * r31384 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryDeletedrevs.php: 
[17:25:46] <CIA-43>	API: Couplt problems with ApiQueryDeletedRevs
[17:25:46] <CIA-43>	* $limit undefined, was doing limit checking against null
[17:25:46] <CIA-43>	* Bring limit=max behavior in line with r31258
[17:31:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:36:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) No line break after 'subpages' class in Modern skin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13185 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (jhsoby)
[17:37:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) No line break after 'subpages' class in Modern skin - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13185  (10jhsoby)
[17:42:35] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31385 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ (4 files): (log message trimmed)
[17:42:35] <CIA-43>	Modifying ConfirmEdit extension to make it API-friendly:
[17:42:35] <CIA-43>	* Hooking into the APIEditBeforeSave hook (which will appear in the ApiEdit_Vodafone branch in the next revision)
[17:42:35] <CIA-43>	* Moved general CAPTCHA generation in SimpleCaptcha to getCaptcha()
[17:42:37] <CIA-43>	* Moved general confirmEdit() functionality to doConfirmEdit() to facilitate differtiating between UI and API handling
[17:42:42] <CIA-43>	* Adding SimpleCaptcha::addCaptchaAPI() method that adds CAPTCHA information to
[17:42:44] <CIA-43>	an API result array. Other CAPTCHA implementations should override this method
[17:49:12] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31386 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (4 files in 3 dirs): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Introducing APIEditBeforeSave hook, CAPTCHA support
[17:56:27] <Dux0r>	hey hey
[17:58:45] <Dux0r>	I need to put Google Anayltics or another counter script on my index page
[17:58:49] <Dux0r>	whats the quickest/easiest way to do it?
[18:00:57] *slee 	waves
[18:14:23] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[18:17:00] <NomadOfNorad>	Anybody about?
[18:20:21] <NomadOfNorad>	Hello?
[18:20:34] <NomadOfNorad>	Any wiki-techies handy?
[18:24:15] <NomadOfNorad>	My wiki site suddenly won't load.  It takes forever to load in IE, and in FireFox it first takes a long time to load before it goes to the redirect, and then the redirect takes forever and finally I get "The page isn't redirecting properly"
[18:24:43] <NomadOfNorad>	I haven't changed anything there.  The last time I was there (a few days ago) it all worked fine.
[18:24:46] <Isnogud>	is it for any page or really only wiki pages?
[18:25:02] <NomadOfNorad>	Just the wiki.  My webBBS loads fine.
[18:25:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	has someone else tried out Wikia's social tools: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile ? I've tested them myself and I really like these...I think every now and then people come in asking if stuff like this is available for MediaWiki and finally we can say, "yes, it's available as an extension" :-)
[18:26:13] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: Is there a Demo?
[18:26:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	http://halo.wikia.com has these tools installed at least ;)
[18:26:37] <NomadOfNorad>	The rest of my website loads fine, it's only the wiki that's nackered...
[18:27:08] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Why is there a redirect?
[18:28:03] <NomadOfNorad>	When I go to the main page, I address it as www.mydomainname.com/wiki/ which gets redirected to www.mydomainname.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[18:28:32] <NomadOfNorad>	It is the latter that fails...
[18:28:46] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Is it really a HTML redirect, or just a link to the other page?
[18:29:12] <NomadOfNorad>	It's whatever internal system the Mediawiki uses to redirect you to the full URL of the main page.
[18:29:55] <NomadOfNorad>	I'm trying to remember the name of one of the other articles at my wiki to see if I can get there directly.
[18:30:40] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Try Mediawiki:Sidebar
[18:30:48] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: Well, the extension is really kewl. I wonder why wikipedia is not using it. it would make it more interesting to be signed in. 
[18:31:06] <Jack_Phoenix>	Isnogud, perhaps because it was released just today? :-)
[18:31:18] <NomadOfNorad>	tale: You're suggesting I try installing this Sidebar thing on my site to find out why my site is malfunctioning?
[18:31:32] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: If you just place a empty php file in there and execute a hello world echo?
[18:31:38] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: No, I am not. And neither are you talking about redirect.
[18:32:11] <tale>	I helped you to remember a page name in your wiki.
[18:32:25] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: oh, ic. looks like you have a redirect problem.
[18:32:36] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: don't try the php echo.
[18:33:01] <NomadOfNorad>	So you were suggesting I try going to www.mydomainname.com/wiki/Sidebar ?
[18:33:20] <NomadOfNorad>	SHould I give you my actual domain here?
[18:33:28] <Isnogud>	Jack_Phoenix: well, that sounds reasonable. i like this feature. it's really kewl.
[18:33:47] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: that would help
[18:33:54] <Jack_Phoenix>	<g>
[18:33:57] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: No, I wrote, and I quote: "Try Mediawiki:Sidebar"
[18:33:59] <NomadOfNorad>	http://www.joshua-wopr.com/wiki/
[18:34:14] <tale>	That is the name of the page, "Mediawiki:Sidebar"
[18:34:26] <NomadOfNorad>	So, www.mydomainname.com/wiki/Mediawiki:Sidebar then?
[18:34:35] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Yeah.
[18:34:45] <NomadOfNorad>	trying it
[18:35:18] <OverlordQ>	you probably got your rewrite rules messed up
[18:35:46] <NomadOfNorad>	Firefox is telling me Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting  the request for this addres in a way that will never complete.  THis problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.
[18:36:02] <NomadOfNorad>	Firefox is telling me "Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting  the request for this addres in a way that will never complete.  THis problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies."
[18:36:06] <OverlordQ>	^^
[18:36:19] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: well....i got redirected also.
[18:36:23] <NomadOfNorad>	So far as I know, I have not turned off the accepting of cookies, tho.
[18:36:55] <OverlordQ>	check your rewrite rules
[18:36:56] <NomadOfNorad>	Isnogud: You're getting the same error?
[18:36:57] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: well. cookies are not relevant.
[18:37:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New en wikipedia mailing list to replace requests for account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13117  +comment (10cbass)
[18:37:18] <NomadOfNorad>	Didn't think they were, but just wanted to rule them out.
[18:37:41] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: You probably as OverlordQ said have a Problem with your rewrite rules somewhere at .htaccess.
[18:38:09] <NomadOfNorad>	What would have changed those settings without me having changed them myself?
[18:38:35] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: don't ask me :)
[18:38:46] <NomadOfNorad>	I've not changed any settings at my site.  The only thing I can think of is that my provider may have made some change internally that broke something...  :-/
[18:41:31] <OverlordQ>	what do you have for $wgScriptPath, $wgScript, and $wgArticlePath
[18:41:59] <NomadOfNorad>	Let me launch my FTP client...
[18:43:43] <NomadOfNorad>	Okay, firing up FileZilla...
[18:44:42] <NomadOfNorad>	This would be somewhere int he wiki dir, right?
[18:44:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931  (10cbm)
[18:45:20] <OverlordQ>	LocalSettings
[18:45:20] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Does your wiki/index.php file contain a REFRESH -directive?
[18:45:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  (10gods1216)
[18:50:03] <NomadOfNorad>	Okay, I've pulled up index.php now where in it would this redirect line typically appear?
[18:50:28] <NomadOfNorad>	Near the top?  In the middle?  Towards the end?
[18:52:40] <OverlordQ>	not a clue, dunno what he's talking about :)
[18:53:04] <NomadOfNorad>	Doesn't seem to be one in index.php tho
[18:54:31] <NomadOfNorad>	Okay, going to check LocalSettings.php now...
[18:54:39] <Isnogud>	NomadOfNorad: For what exactly are you looking? Like OverlordQ said look for $wgScriptPath, $wgScript, and $wgArticlePath.
[18:56:08] <NomadOfNorad>	Okay, $wgScriptPath   = "/wiki":
[18:56:40] <NomadOfNorad>	$wgScript  = "$wgScriptPath.index.php";
[18:57:19] <NomadOfNorad>	er... $wgScript  = "$wgScriptPath/index.php";
[18:57:39] <NomadOfNorad>	$wgRedirectScript = ""$wgScriptPath/redirect.php";
[18:57:43] <OverlordQ>	my money is still on rewrite rules then.
[18:58:29] <NomadOfNorad>	$wgArticlePath = "$wgScript/$1";
[18:58:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:00:03] <NomadOfNorad>	There's also a commented out line after that one: # $wgArticlePath = "$wgScript?title=$1";
[19:00:46] <NomadOfNorad>	OverlordQ: So where would the rewrite rules be, then?
[19:00:53] <OverlordQ>	.htaccess
[19:01:03] <OverlordQ>	in the wiki folder, or the one above
[19:01:13] <NomadOfNorad>	Is .htaccess a file or is that a line in... ah...
[19:02:02] <NomadOfNorad>	I don't see a .htaccess file in /wiki/
[19:02:26] <NomadOfNorad>	What dir would it be in, then?
[19:02:30] <OverlordQ>	the one above it
[19:02:46] <NomadOfNorad>	Oh, you mean in the dir that /wiki/ sits in?
[19:02:57] <OverlordQ>	yea
[19:04:54] <NomadOfNorad>	I see a bunch of stuff like ErrorDocument 403 /v-web/errdocs/403.html
[19:05:05] <OverlordQ>	nothing that mentions rewrite?
[19:05:15] <NomadOfNorad>	Nothing that mentions rewrite
[19:05:29] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* dunno then, might be something in the server config then
[19:06:35] <NomadOfNorad>	At the end of all that ErrorDocument ### /v-web/errordocs/###.html stuff, I see AddType text/x-server-parsed-html .htm .html
[19:07:53] <NomadOfNorad>	I see the datestamp on the .htaccess file is 02/23/2008
[19:08:22] <NomadOfNorad>	Is that file supposed to be changed often, or is is that a file that's supposed to be left alone by the system?
[19:09:28] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* depends
[19:09:50] <tale>	By the way, is there a file wiki/index.html or other wiki/index.* files except wiki/index.php?
[19:10:00] <NomadOfNorad>	Where would I find the server config, then?
[19:10:33] <OverlordQ>	I'm guessing it's not your machine, so that'd be something the host controls
[19:10:56] <NomadOfNorad>	The only html doc I see in /wiki/ is setup_message.html
[19:12:14] <NomadOfNorad>	There are no other index* files, only index.php
[19:13:17] <NomadOfNorad>	host controls, eh?  Does that mean I have to go to my sites database front end?
[19:13:48] <NomadOfNorad>	oh, something THE host controls, not something IN "host controls"
[19:15:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  (10gods1216)
[19:15:59] <Dux0r>	I need to put Google Anayltics or another counter script on my index page
[19:16:00] <Dux0r>	whats the quickest/easiest way to do it?
[19:16:09] <NomadOfNorad>	brb
[19:17:29] <NomadOfNorad>	bak
[19:18:16] <NomadOfNorad>	So how would I determine what to do at my provider (host)?
[19:18:44] <NomadOfNorad>	OverlordQ?
[19:19:57] <Nikerabbit>	eveningen
[19:19:57] <NomadOfNorad>	Other than to call them on the phone and deal with one of their supposed tech-support ppl?
[19:23:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) View list of articles in subcategories all on one page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2725  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[19:24:23] <NomadOfNorad>	Does this thing that wikibugs keeps repeating of any relation to my problem?
[19:24:31] <OverlordQ>	no
[19:25:06] <NomadOfNorad>	Didn't think so!  :D :D :D
[19:29:02] <NomadOfNorad>	Is there anything I can check from my vDeck (Website administration) page?
[19:29:19] <OverlordQ>	see if anything mentions rewrite
[19:29:23] <NomadOfNorad>	Is there anything I can check from my vDeck (Website administration) page that might illuminate what's wonky here?
[19:29:34] <OverlordQ>	or redirect
[19:31:40] <NomadOfNorad>	vDeck is the website-provider front end where I do things like install their provided programs, access my domain admin stuff, and so on... but its all a bunch of seperate menus and things I frequently get lost in...
[19:32:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit conflict expands edit box to entire article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4745  (10equazcion)
[19:33:23] <tale>	NomadOfNorad: Could you ask your website provider support desk to help you find out what is happening with your wiki?
[19:40:12] <TimLaqua>	Anyone know if the Treeview extension works on 1.12?
[19:40:15] <NomadOfNorad>	I've pulled up a vDeck page on Server Information, where it lists the versions of whatnot is installed or set here...  anything I should be looking for there?
[19:41:11] <Pirata_>	Hi.. Can I use tag <a href></a> on wikipedia?
[19:41:18] <NomadOfNorad>	It tells me the operating system (and version), the mysql version, the perl version, php version, path to sendmail, path to perl, perl module paths, installed perl modules, 
[19:41:31] <OverlordQ>	NomadOfNorad: I'd just open a tech ticket
[19:42:23] <NomadOfNorad>	The trouble is, they really only support the programs that they provided for you to install, I don't know if they're going to help with this one because they don't provide wikipedia, I had to install it myself.
[19:42:51] <BrokenArrow>	Pirata_: no, that would be filtered out. for external links, use [url]
[19:43:18] <Pirata_>	it was becose i would like to use this -> msnim:add?contact=my@msn.com
[19:43:33] <OverlordQ>	yea, use [url]
[19:43:59] <Pirata_>	ok, but doens´t work the code... :/
[19:44:21] <NomadOfNorad>	They have a bunch of free proggies (blogger software, phpBB, etc) that they've got buttons on their front end to click to install...  wiki is not one of the ones that they've got a click-here-to-install.  :D
[19:44:43] <Pirata_>	this is for me?
[19:45:04] <NomadOfNorad>	That last from me was directed at OverlordQ
[19:45:17] <Pirata_>	ah ok :P
[19:45:37] <Pirata_>	NomadOfNorad when can i do with that code?
[19:45:41] <Pirata_>	I need to use it
[19:45:49] <NomadOfNorad>	I'll try calling them, but I'll be in voicemail hell from now until the cows come home...  :D
[19:46:39] <NomadOfNorad>	Pirata_: Can't help you there, I'm a php noob with a tech trouble of my own...  :^D
[19:48:07] <TimLaqua>	Is there a way to use the old parser in 1.12?
[19:49:36] <Pirata_>	hehehehe
[19:49:54] <Pirata_>	sooooo.. i don´t know what I can do!
[19:49:55] <Pirata_>	:P
[19:55:09] <RickZilla>	Hi everybody...is there a way of floating the contents box to the right and then giving it a fixed width?  I'm looking for it in the FAQ section and not finding anything about it specifically...thanks in advnce for your help.
[20:04:43] <OverlordQ>	RickZilla: yea, do your normal wiki formatting for you box then slap __TOC__ in it
[20:05:08] <OverlordQ>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Table_of_contents_.28TOC.29
[20:12:58] <NomadOfNorad>	Okay, I've got a tech on the horn...
[20:16:23] <TimLaqua>	Does Nad hang out in here?
[20:16:37] <NomadOfNorad>	They've created a trouble ticket, and it will take (he figures) 24 to 48 hours for them to get back to me... grrrrrrrr....
[20:17:14] <NomadOfNorad>	OverlordQ: They've created a trouble ticket, and it will take (he figures) 24 to 48 hours for them to get back to me... grrrrrrrr....
[20:17:22] <OverlordQ>	heh :)
[20:36:25] <MONK3000>	Hi how can i set a magicowrd like __NOEDITSECTION__ as default setting for my wiki?
[20:37:22] <DarsVaeda>	hi i have a problem with my mediawiki installation, i get a lot traffic from my own server calling a lot of my mediawiki-urls? do you know where this could come from? most strange thing is that the request url often is ".../Images/wiki.png" thats were my logo image is placed
[20:38:34] *Hojjat 	pokes Filnik|away
[20:38:43] <Filnik|away>	:)
[20:38:57] *Filnik|away 	svn right now..
[20:40:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) possibility to mark a diff twice as patrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13186 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (heuler06)
[20:46:08] <tale>	Is there an e-mail address obfuscator amongs the supported MediaWiki extensions?
[20:46:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Incorrect config setting on English Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13187 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (MZMcBride)
[20:47:01] <MZMcBride>	tale: yes, there are several, i believe
[20:47:12] <MZMcBride>	!extensions
[20:47:12] --mwbot--	MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[20:47:24] <MZMcBride>	check out the Matrix ^^
[20:47:37] <tale>	MZMcBride: Can you tell the names of those particular extensions?
[20:48:04] <OverlordQ>	just search the page for email :P
[20:48:17] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmailAddressImage
[20:48:22] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmailObfuscator
[20:48:23] <OverlordQ>	Email Address Image, Email Obfuscator, etc
[20:48:27] <tale>	MZMcBride: Nevermind, searghin the matrix for obfuscate finds them.
[20:48:28] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Enkoder
[20:48:28] <tale>	Thanks.
[20:48:33] <MZMcBride>	no problem :)
[20:50:34] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) possibility to mark a diff twice as patrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13186  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:51:24] <Betacommand>	how does one change the max size of a file to be uploaded?
[20:51:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	hey brion :-)
[20:51:54] <MZMcBride>	Beta: there's a config variable in MediaWiki, and you may have to screw around with PHP settings as well
[20:51:56] <brion>	howdy kids
[20:52:09] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: I need to do that
[20:52:17] <Betacommand>	Im Importing a large file
[20:52:30] <Betacommand>	(page history)
[20:52:36] <MZMcBride>	on a personal wiki?
[20:52:41] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: yeah
[20:53:10] <Betacommand>	its 4 MB
[20:53:14] <MZMcBride>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgMaxUploadSize
[20:53:19] <Betacommand>	thanks
[20:53:28] <MZMcBride>	though it says that defaults to 100 MB
[20:53:56] <MZMcBride>	that page has relevant notes at the bottom
[20:55:05] <AtharHameed>	Hi everyone. I want to change the way internal links and urls are rendered in mw. How can I do that?
[20:55:12] <MZMcBride>	change how?
[20:55:44] <AtharHameed>	I want to put nofollow in all the links that are external to my wiki and point to certain domains
[20:56:03] <MZMcBride>	that should be done by default, i think
[20:56:24] <AtharHameed>	hmmm 
[20:56:57] <MZMcBride>	!wg NoFollowLinks
[20:56:57] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgNoFollowLinks
[20:57:05] <AtharHameed>	thanks 
[20:57:19] <MZMcBride>	it says it's default true since 1.4
[20:57:37] <AtharHameed>	yep 
[20:57:46] <AtharHameed>	so what exactly is treated as an external link
[20:57:56] <AtharHameed>	are subdomains of my domain considered external links?
[20:58:09] <MZMcBride>	anything in single brackets [ ]
[20:58:29] <MZMcBride>	or that begin with http:// , ftp:// etc.
[20:58:37] <AtharHameed>	ah right
[20:58:46] <AtharHameed>	thanks for your help 
[20:58:52] <MZMcBride>	no problem
[20:59:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) possibility to mark a diff twice as patrolled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13186  (10heuler06)
[21:05:09] <AtharHameed>	MZMcBride: one more thing. is there a way to override the nofollow rule for specific domains?
[21:05:25] <MZMcBride>	umm.. no, i don't think so
[21:05:36] <MZMcBride>	perhaps a JavaScript hack, but probably not
[21:05:47] <AtharHameed>	so for that I will have to write some kind of an extension right?
[21:05:58] <MZMcBride>	you can do it per namespace, or you can set up internal links
[21:06:23] <AtharHameed>	ok 
[21:11:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Though user is logged in, switching pages seems to force a logout - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13082  (10brion)
[21:12:39] <MrZ-man>	yeah, you probably could do it with JS
[21:14:50] <MrZ-man>	although
[21:14:53] <MrZ-man>	hmm
[21:15:00] <MrZ-man>	maybe not
[21:16:17] <MrZ-man>	search engine crawlers probably don't load JS
[21:16:32] <AtharHameed>	yep. that's what I thought 
[21:17:07] <AtharHameed>	so there is no clean way of hacking the parser using some hook?
[21:18:26] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Marking a diff as patrolled twice creates two entries in the patrol log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13186  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[21:21:43] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Marking a diff as patrolled twice creates two entries in the patrol log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13186  +comment (10overlordq)
[21:21:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Patrolled Pages log allows arbitrary duplicating of entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12575  +comment (10overlordq)
[21:22:21] <MZMcBride>	AtharHameed: the parser's quite a beast
[21:23:26] <MZMcBride>	there are some hack-ish ways you could use a nofollow
[21:23:39] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31389 10/trunk/extensions/ConfirmEdit/MathCaptcha.class.php: ConfirmEdit: Consistency tweak
[21:25:19] <mdale>	hmm I am having trouble doing a page-move and then page-edit in a single request (things get out of sync (thinks the page does not exist and gets a Duplicate db key error on insert) ... is there a good way to force things to be ready for next action ...
[21:25:56] <AtharHameed>	MZMcBride: I think I will hack the source and add my own hook. I think it is the makeExternalLink function in includes/Linker.php that I need to fix.
[21:26:19] <MZMcBride>	as long as you avoid Parser.php, you should be fine ;)
[21:26:34] <AtharHameed>	yep:)
[21:26:39] <Farrendel>	Can anyone see why this won't work?  Ignoring the missing closing braces...
[21:26:39] <Farrendel>	{{#if:{{{type|}}}|
[21:26:39] <Farrendel>	{{#if:{{#explode:{{{type}}}|,|0}}|{{#ifeq:{{#explode:{{{type}}}|,|0}}|(see text)||[[Category:{{#explode:{{{type}}}|,|0}} Spells{{!}}{{PAGENAME}}]]}}
[21:27:14] <MZMcBride>	is #explode a parser function?
[21:27:25] <Skizzerz>	i'ts part of StringFunctions
[21:27:29] <Skizzerz>	*it's
[21:28:13] <MZMcBride>	that's what i was guessing
[21:28:44] <Skizzerz>	Farrendel: make sure you have ParserFunctions and StringFunctions installed
[21:28:53] <Farrendel>	Yes to both.
[21:29:30] <Farrendel>	#Explode works in other statements, just not the set including the above... (goes from 0 to 9)
[21:30:00] <Farrendel>	For some reason, it is returning: {{#if:| {{#if:{{{type}}}|[[Category:{{{type}}} Spells|Spell]] {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:|
[21:30:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categories need piping feature to list by alternative name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491  (10t.d.lee)
[21:30:24] <Skizzerz>	strange
[21:30:51] <Farrendel>	Is it because I skipped the Then text in the #ifeq?
[21:31:54] <Farrendel>	I basically want it to return the category if the string is not equal to (see text)
[21:33:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categories need piping feature to list by alternative name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:41:19] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31390 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): (bug 12575) Prevent duplicate patrol log entries from being created
[21:41:27] <searchsupport>	hi
[21:42:42] <searchsupport>	is this the right place to find professional support for a mediawiki project?
[21:45:59] <searchsupport>	is anybody here?
[21:47:04] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: yes, this is a good place to ask for help with mediawiki. 
[21:47:28] <Duesentrieb>	generally, asking a concrete question helps in getting an answer :)
[21:47:38] <Duesentrieb>	(on irc, it's generally polite not to be too polite)
[21:47:50] <MrZ-man>	(though we make no guarantee as to professionalism) 
[21:48:10] <tale>	Professional support implies getting paid for doing it.
[21:48:26] <searchsupport>	yes that is im looking for
[21:48:34] <NomadOfNorad>	tale: Was just what I was thinking, too!  Hehe!
[21:49:13] <NomadOfNorad>	Why pay for something when its free?  Hey, if you wanna pay for it, I could always direct you to my personal PayPal page...!  :D :D :D :D :D
[21:49:25] <searchsupport>	lol
[21:50:26] <tale>	Looks to me Mediawiki.org does not have a listing of consultans offering support for MediaWiki.
[21:50:55] <Skizzerz>	tale: it's free software, it's free support
[21:51:09] <Skizzerz>	just ask questions here and people that know the answer will answer it
[21:51:15] <NomadOfNorad>	PLus, there's a mailing list for it...
[21:51:39] <NomadOfNorad>	(I've subscribed to it, but haven't bothered to READ it since I joined it...!  :-| )
[21:51:54] <Skizzerz>	what a coincidence, neither have I
[21:51:56] <tale>	Well, Debian is even free software, but http://www.debian.org/consultants/ lists consultants offering paid support for Debian GNU/Linux.
[21:52:00] <NomadOfNorad>	(Well, I take that back, I did used to read it back when I first joined, but....)
[21:52:32] <Skizzerz>	tale: That implies that the Wikimedia Foundation has enough money to hire lots of support consultants, which they don't
[21:52:41] <tale>	I don't see why Mediawiki could not have a similar page, surely there are users who desire to use Mediawiki but would just pay for getting it set up.
[21:52:49] <NomadOfNorad>	(Or was that the phpBB support list?  I forget...)
[21:53:08] <tale>	Skizzerz: What you say?
[21:53:29] <MrZ-man>	if you want to pay us for answering questions...
[21:53:47] <NomadOfNorad>	Well, there ARE support companies for versious Linux distros... but many of them have their own distro that they maintain...
[21:53:53] <NomadOfNorad>	   -s
[21:54:14] <Farrendel>	I am such an idiot... I was reading the closing braces for the #ifeq statement as being the closing braces for the #if statement... D'oh!
[21:54:26] <Skizzerz>	basically, if the support people for MediaWiki were to get paid, it would be by the person they are giving help to, not by the wmf as an actual job
[21:54:35] <tale>	Lots of Irritating Silly Parenthesis.
[21:55:00] <NomadOfNorad>	tale:  :^D
[21:55:43] <tale>	Skizzerz: Yes, that is the way employee / employer relationship normally works.
[21:55:46] <searchsupport>	I want to start a mediawiki project for our company...
[21:56:10] <Skizzerz>	!ask | searchsupport 
[21:56:10] --mwbot--	searchsupport: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[21:56:27] <tale>	searchsupport: Then you need to find a reasonably local consultant who you can hire to do the work.
[21:56:28] <searchsupport>	but I've not enough time to learn the administration of mediwiki by myself
[21:56:37] <searchsupport>	so i search support 
[21:57:12] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: so, this is a job offer? perhaps write to the mailing list.
[21:57:13] <tale>	searchsupport: Is your company located in Finland?
[21:57:22] <Duesentrieb>	irc is not s uch a great place for that kinf od thing
[21:57:30] <searchsupport>	yes tale that should do tale....
[21:57:32] <searchsupport>	no in germay
[21:58:13] <tale>	searchsupport: I can't help in finding mediawiki experts in Germany. But perhaps some irc users here can?
[21:58:22] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: where in germany?
[21:58:35] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: write to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l btw
[21:58:37] <searchsupport>	frankfurt would be great
[21:59:18] <Duesentrieb>	heh, not quite close. and i'm not so great a sysadmin anyway, too much into coding :) but i will be looking for a job soon enough...
[22:00:09] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: the office of wikimedia's german chapter is in frankfurt, btw :)
[22:00:40] <searchsupport>	do you know th adress?
[22:01:15] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.wikimedia.de/kontakt/
[22:01:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Odd things happen at certain pages on these particular Wikipedia pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13188 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (davespix)
[22:02:04] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: they are not that much into mediawiki stuff though (mainly content-related projects for wikipedia, commons, etc), but they just might be able to help you in some way.
[22:02:56] <searchsupport>	all  i need is an adress where i can support
[22:06:23] <searchsupport>	ty duesentrieb...i'll try it
[22:07:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API must be accessed through the primary script entry point error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13049  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:07:32] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Patrolled Pages log allows arbitrary duplicating of entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12575  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[22:07:40] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: there's no single address for that - mediawiki is not created by a company.
[22:08:29] <Duesentrieb>	searchsupport: wikihr is an attempt to set up a place for people to offer jobs and find experts in the wiki environment. it seams rather dead though
[22:09:34] <Sazpaimon>	So Im having an issue with a wiki installed on my server
[22:09:55] <Sazpaimon>	going to a page such as index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page will redirect to an Index.php article
[22:10:10] <Sazpaimon>	which of course does not exist
[22:10:10] <NomadOfNorad>	What sort of issue?
[22:10:24] <Sazpaimon>	going to index.php by itself returns a 404 error
[22:10:42] <NomadOfNorad>	Is the browser just sitting there forever waiting for the page to load?
[22:10:43] <Sazpaimon>	my apache log says it's because it cannot find Index.php (note the capitals)
[22:11:00] <Sazpaimon>	NomadOfNorad, um, no
[22:11:04] <Sazpaimon>	[14:10] <Sazpaimon> going to a page such as index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page will redirect to an Index.php article
[22:11:16] <Sundance_Raphael>	ka
[22:11:23] <Sazpaimon>	it'll basically send me to an artical called "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.
[22:11:29] <Sazpaimon>	*article
[22:11:40] <Sazpaimon>	and the article's title is "Index.php"
[22:13:35] <OverlordQ>	most likely conflicting settings with wgScriptPath/etc and rewrite rules
[22:15:09] <NomadOfNorad>	OverlordQ: Don't guess it'd help to create a redirect at Index.php (article) to Main_Page, eh?
[22:15:24] <NetEcho>	Hi is there a page somewhere that says what sysop and bureaucrat. access lets a user do? as well as is there a way to add new access levels?
[22:15:27] <Sazpaimon>	OverlordQ, would that be because these people were moved from one server to mine? Forgive me I've never used a mediawiki before so Im not sure how the configuration goes. I'm only doing this to get their site working the way it used to
[22:15:43] <Sazpaimon>	is there a path variable i need to change somewhere?
[22:16:01] <Jack_Phoenix>	NetEcho: http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights & http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgGroupPermissions
[22:17:00] <NetEcho>	Jack_Phoenix thansk
[22:17:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[22:17:19] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | Sazpaimon
[22:17:19] --mwbot--	Sazpaimon: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:17:59] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: actually, from what you said, it's probably wgArticlePath and/or wgScriptPath that is configured wrong
[22:19:27] <NetEcho>	Jack_Phoenix is there also a page that shows you how to make a tag like {{cleanup}} so that once added to a page only an admin can remove it?
[22:19:33] <NetEcho>	or is that not possible?
[22:20:07] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb, what file is this defined in?
[22:20:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	stuff like {{cleanup}} are called templates; unless the page is protected, everyone can remove it (that is, unless the wiki is closed against anon edits)
[22:20:14] <NetEcho>	by remove it I mean like User adds  {{cleanup}} to the top of Page:Whatever and then after that only an admin can remove it after deeming its clean
[22:20:19] <Duesentrieb>	!config | Sazpaimon
[22:20:19] --mwbot--	Sazpaimon: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>
[22:20:36] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb, in that case
[22:20:37] <Sazpaimon>	LocalSettings.php:$wgScriptPath       = "";
[22:20:53] <Sazpaimon>	is that a problem?
[22:20:55] <NetEcho>	Jack_Phoenix basicaly I want a way for a user to mark a page for cleanup but only an admin can unmark that page and remove the {{cleanup}} template
[22:20:59] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: putting the wiki into the docuemtn roots is a BAD IDEA. 
[22:21:09] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb, it isn't in a document root
[22:21:10] <Duesentrieb>	it's possible to make it work, but don't.
[22:21:17] <Duesentrieb>	well, the script path sais it is.
[22:21:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	NetEcho: don't think there's a way to do that...but perhaps other people know better than I do ;-)
[22:21:20] <Duesentrieb>	which would be a problem
[22:21:23] <Sazpaimon>	it's in a subfolder in public_html
[22:21:30] <Sazpaimon>	which is defined as subdomain in apache
[22:21:34] <Duesentrieb>	public_html is (usually) the document root
[22:21:38] <Duesentrieb>	err.
[22:21:53] <Duesentrieb>	well, if the folder is defined as a subdomain, then that folder is the subdomain's document root
[22:21:57] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31392 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (9 files in 5 dirs): 
[22:21:57] <CIA-43>	fixes for MVD edits purging parent stream cache
[22:21:57] <CIA-43>	fixes for MVD move & edit in single request
[22:22:08] <NetEcho>	Jack_Phoenix it would prolly need code modification then... oh well I'll just threaten to ban people for removing the tag
[22:22:15] <Duesentrieb>	"docuemnt root" is whatever "no path" refers to for qa domain
[22:22:19] <Sazpaimon>	yeah
[22:22:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	hehe, that always works <g>
[22:22:26] <Sazpaimon>	alright, so what do I tell these people to do
[22:22:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) querystrings doesn't get passed on interwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13189 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (azatoth)
[22:22:37] <Sazpaimon>	its weird because this was all working on their other machine
[22:23:00] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: put the wiki files into a subdirectory. read this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access
[22:23:09] <NetEcho>	indeed it does
[22:23:14] <Duesentrieb>	(or go without short urls completely. though that sucks)
[22:23:21] <NetEcho>	Jack_Phoenix considering I plan to watch every page on the wiki for changes
[22:24:40] <Duesentrieb>	NetEcho: to do that, simply use the rss feed provided by SPecial:Recentchanges
[22:25:00] <NetEcho>	Duesentrieb I already do
[22:25:14] <NetEcho>	by Watch I don't mean watchlist but manualy watch the list of recent changes
[22:25:58] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb, this is what I currently see in their htaccess
[22:26:01] <Sazpaimon>	http://pastebin.ca/922635
[22:26:04] <Sazpaimon>	should this be repalced?
[22:26:19] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: That RSS feed is flawed, it amesk it all but useless for tracking changes.
[22:26:34] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: yes
[22:26:48] <Sazpaimon>	ok
[22:27:06] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: tracking in what sense?
[22:27:28] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: there's a plugin for a life update feed, right? which mediawiki opffers for wikipedia?
[22:27:38] <Sazpaimon>	so i guess mkdir w; mv * w and for safe measure mv w/*.html .
[22:27:44] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: I run multiple wikis, if the same page is edited more than once in a few weeks then only the first change appears.
[22:27:48] <Sazpaimon>	just in case they had any other non-wiki files here
[22:28:11] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Restrict uploads on la.wikipedia to sysops only - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13190 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (uv.wiki)
[22:28:16] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: sounds good; but backup, backup, backup.
[22:28:28] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb, it's freshly backed up :)
[22:28:37] <Duesentrieb>	hgappy hacking then
[22:29:29] <Sazpaimon>	alright so now /w/index.php just doesn't load if called by itself
[22:29:33] <Sazpaimon>	is that a feature?
[22:42:51] <zocky>	hmmm, people on en are putting a lot of work into making "intersection" categories, balancing the more general categories, they're running bots that edit stuff a lot, etc.
[22:43:53] <zocky>	 a special page or whatever that could show intersections of categories would maybe cause less server stress than all this
[22:46:19] <MrZ-man>	zocky: people on enwiki do lots of stupid things
[22:47:35] <zocky>	MrZ-man, they're collectively the largest user, though
[22:47:52] <stiv2k>	hey
[22:48:23] <stiv2k>	is there any way to have the reCAPTCHA extension pick up <a> tags as well as links created with wiki formatting like [http://porn.com spam!]
[22:49:22] <MZMcBride>	stiv2k: you've allowed <a> tags?
[22:49:42] <Pyramide>	hi...where can I see what changed between the localsettings.php from 1.8.2 to 1.11 ?
[22:50:06] <MZMcBride>	Pyramide: there's no easy way
[22:50:09] <Pyramide>	I got problems with the mod_rewrite urls and looks like I need to update my localsettings.php to 1.11
[22:50:25] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: they dont get created as links, but spam bots keep trying nonetheless
[22:50:34] <MZMcBride>	ah
[22:50:48] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: and the captcha doesnt force to check if you're a human if you put <a> tags in the articles
[22:50:49] <Pyramide>	when using $wgArticlePath = "$wgScript?title=$1"; it works but all links use the "ugly" version
[22:50:58] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: it only looks for [these kind of links]
[22:51:05] <MZMcBride>	right
[22:51:12] <Pyramide>	when using $wgArticlePath = "/$1"; the index.php?title=... style urls dont work
[22:51:31] <MZMcBride>	stiv2k: you'd probably have to hack ConfirmEdit.php
[22:52:21] <Pyramide>	it says "index.php: there is no site with this name", i.e. browsing to /index.php?title=foo acts as if I surfed to /index.php?title=index.php
[22:52:33] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: i was looking through that... im not sure my knowledge of PHP is that great to really know what's going on..
[22:52:41] <MZMcBride>	!rewriteproblems | Pyramide 
[22:52:41] --mwbot--	Pyramide: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:52:51] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: i'm really surprised the people who created this extension didn't take that scenario into account in the first place...
[22:53:10] <MZMcBride>	well, spambots that create non-working <a> links are pretty stupid bots ;)
[22:53:19] <stiv2k>	yeah
[22:53:28] <stiv2k>	i dont know how my wiki got swarmed with them all of a sudden.... :S
[22:53:40] <aBSDaemon>	was it in the /wiki/ directory
[22:53:43] <Skizzerz>	MZMcBride: they half-work, the http:// urls get parsed
[22:53:44] <Skizzerz>	;)
[22:53:45] <Sazpaimon>	Duesentrieb
[22:53:50] <stiv2k>	Sazpaimon: correct
[22:54:00] <Sazpaimon>	so I followed those instructions, now /w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Main_Page returns the same problem
[22:54:06] <MZMcBride>	well, if you're CAPTCHA'ing create account, the spambots should be slowed
[22:54:08] <Sazpaimon>	it takes me to an article called Index.php
[22:54:14] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: nothing. it's purly virtual. it should not exist on the file system. wiki pages will be mapped there.
[22:54:27] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: i think since i allow anon edits, that wouldnt really work
[22:54:39] <Duesentrieb>	Sazpaimon: your script path should point to /w, your article path to /wiki
[22:54:49] <Duesentrieb>	if your rewrites are set up right, all should be fine then
[22:55:02] <Duesentrieb>	(inless your server config is interfereing with some additional rules)
[22:55:29] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: also, do you happen to know *where* we are supposed to put that little block of code for the theme here >> http://wiki.recaptcha.net/index.php/Theme
[22:55:39] <aBSDaemon>	anyone know of tutorials for how to order the page tabs?
[22:56:23] <MZMcBride>	hmm... haven't seen those themes
[22:56:46] <aBSDaemon>	http://www.ourpropertytaxes.com/taxes/   want to reorder where Q&A and need help tabs go.  Both are added by a properly coded extension now
[22:58:07] <stiv2k>	MZMcBride: can you take a guess where the code would go?
[22:58:26] <MZMcBride>	[[MediaWiki:Common.js]] ?
[22:58:29] <Duesentrieb>	aBSDaemon: there's some extension hook that can manipulate the array of tabs. that's probably how they are added. the same hook can be used to change the order. however, you'd have to make sure that the hook function doing that is called after the others (i guess by hooking it after the extensions)
[22:58:37] <MZMcBride>	without the <script> tags
[22:59:06] *stiv2k 	shrugds
[23:00:56] <aBSDaemon>	suggestion for 1.13: wieghted tab order
[23:02:42] <james999>	Is it possible to use a template from wiki A within wiki B without copy and pasting all the (nested) template code from wiki A into wiki B?
[23:05:28] <Skizzerz>	via $wgEnableScaryTransclusion (think that's what it is called), yes. just make sure wiki A has an interwiki prefix with iw_trans set to true
[23:05:41] <Duesentrieb>	$wgEnableScaryTranscluding actually
[23:05:45] <Skizzerz>	!wg EnableScaryTranscluding
[23:05:45] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableScaryTranscluding
[23:05:49] <Skizzerz>	^
[23:07:40] <james999>	me and my cat thank you
[23:08:25] *Skizzerz 	pets mwbot 
[23:08:29] <stiv2k>	how can i hide this ugly contents box on my main wiki page?
[23:08:32] <Skizzerz>	...
[23:08:44] <Skizzerz>	stiv2k: edit the page and remove it?
[23:08:56] <stiv2k>	Skizzerz: it doesnt appear in the edit box anything about the table of contents
[23:09:07] <Skizzerz>	oh, put __NOTOC__ on the page
[23:09:13] <stiv2k>	okay, thanks
[23:17:25] <stiv2k>	what is the beaurocrats group?
[23:17:33] <stiv2k>	bureaucrats*
[23:17:45] <stiv2k>	and its relation to sysops group?
[23:18:37] <OverlordQ>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:User_rights
[23:18:57] <OverlordQ>	oops, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[23:19:03] <stiv2k>	heh
[23:22:05] <james999>	Skizzerz I cnat figure out how  to call common's templates ... {{commons:Location}} doesnt work??? i.e. Im trying to use commons Location template ...
[23:27:59] <AtharHameed>	I want the url http://mywiki/wiki/me to open http://mywiki/wiki/Special:MyProfile. I am using Wikipedia's short url settings. When I put an alias for /me in my apache config, it doesn't work. Any ideas?
[23:30:16] <Splarka>	you tried this?:   RewriteRule ^/wiki/me /wiki/Special:MyProfile [L]
[23:32:49] <Duesentrieb>	AtharHameed: use a redirect, not an alias.
[23:33:08] <Duesentrieb>	AtharHameed: a rewrite might work also. 
[23:34:00] <Duesentrieb>	hm... a rewrite to a page that triggers a redirect?...
[23:34:02] <Duesentrieb>	yea, why not.
[23:37:26] <Splarka>	heh
[23:37:40] <Splarka>	Dues: better than writing in a login cookie checker into the htaccess
[23:38:04] <Splarka>	even better, it could be a rewrite to a 302 redirect to a #REDIRECT
[23:38:40] <Duesentrieb>	throw in some meta refresh too
[23:38:44] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, off to bed
[23:49:50] <AtharHameed>	Splarka: yes I did. it din't work 
[23:50:06] <Splarka>	ahh
[23:50:22] <AtharHameed>	it takes me to /wiki/Me
[23:51:06] <AtharHameed>	maybe I should simply put a #redirect in /wiki/me