[00:30:31] <Dantman|Food>	Hmmm....
[00:31:08] *Dantman 	wonders why his tables always end up as MyISAM in his database when he selects InoDB inside the config
[00:31:42] <flyingparchment>	because you have innodb disabled in mysql, and you enabled the feature that automatically uses myisam instead
[00:32:36] <Dantman>	hmmm
[00:32:43] <Dantman>	^_^ Guess that's just a XAMPP default
[00:32:56] <Dantman>	bleh
[00:33:17] <Dantman>	To lazy to change that.... More interested in the title rewrite
[00:43:36] <norton>	hello, I have a question about static html dump
[00:45:56] <norton>	Can anybody help?
[00:52:18] <jlerner>	norton: just ask
[00:55:55] <norton>	after I download the files from static.wikipedia.org
[00:56:12] <norton>	there are big .7z file and other .lst files
[00:56:23] <norton>	how can I deal with the ".lst" files?
[00:56:47] <norton>	I am extracting the big .7z file with 7zip correctly
[01:02:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Split web-based upgrade from install - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13230 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (tstarling)
[01:03:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create I alias for Project namespace on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13231 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny_b)
[01:05:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13206  summary (10tstarling)
[01:07:35] <Silentrage>	Anyone know of a tool to convert reports from a sql database to php?
[01:08:05] <flyingparchment>	reports?
[01:08:38] <norton>	Anyone know an answer to my question about ".lst" files?
[01:09:22] <OverlordQ>	What about 'em?
[01:09:54] <norton>	I can find them in the download static HTML dump from static.wikipedia.org
[01:10:02] <OverlordQ>	yea
[01:10:09] <norton>	How can I deal, benifit from them?
[01:12:29] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* up to you, they're just a list of what you'll find in the archives afaik
[01:13:11] <norton>	but I can find files in them that do not exist in the big .7z archive!!
[01:13:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit conflict expands edit box to entire article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4745  +comment (10brett5)
[01:14:37] <Splarka>	per discussions on mediawiki javascript bloat, and dom-safe script/style functions in common use on the major Wikis, some of us from #mediawiki-scripts have written some browser-safe import*() functions for CSS and JS, which could be added to wikibits.js, and replace many instances of document.write() (which can be buggy in safari and other browsers) as well as give script writers more options to optionally include libraries
[01:15:29] <Splarka>	the current version (5 functions, importScript(), importScriptURI(), importStylesheet, importStylesheetURI(), and appendCSS()) can be seen and tested at: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Common.js&oldid=39793 and http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js/Import_tests
[01:16:11] <Splarka>	they maintain full backward compatabilty with existing copies of importScript() and importStylesheet() on such wikis as en.wp (in Common.js), and fix a few bugs in IE and Safari
[01:16:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Four quotes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13227  +comment (10tstarling)
[01:17:36] <Silentrage>	I need a way to have reports accessible through the wiki. I am thinking that is only possible if the reports are converted to php first?
[01:18:06] <Splarka>	obviously, the best way to include a script or style sheet conditionally, as is used in core and many extensions, is to add the <script> tag into the html, but this isn't always possible, so this is near the next best thing 
[01:18:56] <Splarka>	opinions?
[01:20:03] <_sj_>	how does mwiki memory usage scale with wiki growth
[01:20:12] <_sj_>	size... template use... what else is a factor?
[01:20:18] <kgoetz>	hi all. i'm wondering if theres a way to print a page from the wiki with formatting still in tact
[01:20:26] <brion-away>	memory usage is dependent pretty much solely on how much stuff is loaded into memory on a specific request
[01:20:26] <_sj_>	I often get 'out of memory' errors on pretty small wikis with 20M or larger ones with 100M
[01:20:29] <flyingparchment>	_sj_: what do you really want to know?
[01:20:33] <brion-away>	for page rendering, that's just what's on the page
[01:20:41] <_sj_>	whether I'm doing something wrong on a particular page
[01:20:41] <brion-away>	eg, no relation whatsoever to wiki size
[01:20:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Section edit conflict expands edit box to entire article - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4745  (10equazcion)
[01:21:10] <_sj_>	or whether the config for a site is messed up when it seems to be running out of 128M of memory when allocating ~1M
[01:21:15] <_sj_>	brion, thakns
[01:21:26] <flyingparchment>	_sj_: that's more likely to be caused by php's built in memory_limit
[01:21:38] <_sj_>	but when it says "allowed memory size of (X MB) exhausted (tried to allocate 200k)
[01:21:46] <_sj_>	where is the bulk of the memory being used if only 200k is for one page?
[01:21:56] *Splarka 	wonders where Tim got a sense of humor, re 13227, heh
[01:21:56] <brion>	that just means that the thing it happened to be doing at the time it crossed the total threshold was 200k
[01:21:57] <_sj_>	or is it allocating a whole slew of memory in series for that page, and the last allocation fails?
[01:21:58] <_sj_>	ok
[01:22:59] <_sj_>	does that mean /that page/ took most of the allowed memory to render?  if multiple pages are rendering at the same time are they competing for space?
[01:23:27] <brion>	that means that *that run of the program* used *that much* memory
[01:23:43] <_sj_>	ok
[01:24:00] <brion>	every HTTP request that reaches the PHP backend causes the program to run once
[01:24:09] <brion>	the program runs, processes input, and produces some output. then it ends.
[01:24:35] <brion>	if during processing, the memory allocation threshold is reached, then processing is aborted and you get an error message.
[01:24:48] <brion>	that affects only that run of the program for that http request
[01:25:32] <_sj_>	so it's worth fixing whatever's wrong with that page that makes it use 100M to render rather than increasing the memory limit
[01:26:18] <OverlordQ>	it probably doesn't use 100M
[01:26:55] <_sj_>	hm.  it seems to happen a lot on pages with utf-8 chars.
[01:27:04] <brion>	we're certainly not going to raise the memory limit beyond that :)
[01:28:24] <_sj_>	nice simple pages, no templates, just a category and some japanese and korean...
[01:28:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Some template conjunctions is not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13224  +comment (10brion)
[01:28:33] <_sj_>	it also seems to be successfully saving, and throwing an error after
[01:28:55] <brion>	_sj_: affecting save operations only or multiple kinds of operations?
[01:29:11] <_sj_>	I'm only trying saves.
[01:29:24] <_sj_>	http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Activities/translations&action=edit
[01:31:28] <brion>	that does seem a bit extreme :)
[01:31:40] <_sj_>	I can't tell what is special about that page (I've seen this happen before), but it's driving me crazy :)
[01:32:08] <_sj_>	I'll try to duplicate on a new page.
[01:32:19] <brion>	preview's fine, so it's not (or not just) the unicode normalization routines
[01:32:19] <norton>	any answer to my question?
[01:32:27] <brion>	norton: have to see your question first
[01:32:34] <_sj_>	norton: are you an emperor?
[01:32:41] <_sj_>	emperors don't ask for answers.  they take.
[01:33:04] <norton>	I asked my question for 2 times and here is the third :)
[01:33:22] <norton>	Why there are files listed in the ".lst" files in the static HTML dump
[01:33:31] <norton>	and not included in th .7z archive?
[01:34:02] <brion>	norton: as a guess, they're lists of files so you know what is included in the archives
[01:34:24] <brion>	that's just my guess based on having worked with computers for a couple decades, though
[01:35:03] <norton>	I extracted the archive but not all of these files were included
[01:35:20] <kibble>	/hide
[01:35:31] <brion>	_sj_: it's possible you have some really big thing in the job queue, and the dying part is one of those, trying to run on save.... i'm not sure offhand if that's something that should actually happen though :)
[01:35:39] <brion>	try the xdebug extension for php on your server, see if that helps
[01:35:52] <brion>	should give you a stack backtrace when it dies
[01:36:06] <brion>	norton: no idea then. ask timstarling directly
[01:36:29] <_sj_>	thanks!
[01:36:39] <norton>	who is "timstarling"?
[01:38:34] <norton>	brion: who is "timstarlink"?
[01:39:12] <MZMcBride>	TimStarling is a MediaWiki developer and Wikimedia system administrator.
[01:39:48] <norton>	How can I ask him directly as brion stated?
[01:40:29] <MZMcBride>	Wait for him to come online.
[01:46:33] <Danny_B>	couldn't there be action=editnew instead of action=edit&redlink=1 ?
[01:46:44] <_sj_>	norton, he is a gentleman of high esteem who is also known on rare occasion to check his wiki talk pages.  you might leave him one.
[01:46:45] <_sj_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Tim_Starling
[01:46:50] <_sj_>	brion: curioser still
[01:46:55] <_sj_>	the error is tied to that page title
[01:47:03] <_sj_>	not to the contents or the underlying id
[01:47:12] <norton>	thank you very much _sj_
[01:47:20] <_sj_>	if I clone the page, move it to a new title, there are no errors.  if I move the cloned page back to the original title
[01:47:21] <_sj_>	and edit it
[01:47:26] <_sj_>	the same error crops up
[01:51:23] <Splarka>	Danny_B: that was gone over in great detail ^_^
[01:51:54] <Splarka>	it was originally &action=editredlink (edit new is misleading, as it isn't always new, since the page may have been deleted or moved for example, and for Image: it is just wrong)
[01:51:59] <Danny_B>	Splarka: can you point me to the right place, pls?
[01:52:03] <Danny_B>	aha
[01:52:08] <Splarka>	but VVV asked Tim to change it to &redlink=1
[01:52:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable trigonometrical functions to #expr - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13216  +comment (10tstarling)
[01:52:19] <Splarka>	because scripts assume wgAction to be 'edit' or 'submit' for edit pages
[01:52:27] <Splarka>	adding a third action was inconvenient
[01:52:48] <Danny_B>	hmm
[01:53:09] <Danny_B>	wgAction isn't that much ancient it couldn't be enhanced
[01:53:19] <Danny_B>	(my pov)
[01:53:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13206  normal->15enhancement (10tstarling)
[01:53:52] <Splarka>	that was Tim's as well when I told him the script writers would complain
[01:53:58] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31475 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: * (bug 13211) Don't break edit buttons when Image namespace includes apostrophe
[01:53:59] <Splarka>	but VVV convinced him otherwise
[01:54:06] <Splarka>	"Omg, all the scripts are brokenz! waaah"
[01:54:13] <Splarka>	(without so much lolcat)
[01:54:46] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31476 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/EditPage.php): * (bug 13211) Don't break edit buttons when Image namespace includes apostrophe
[01:54:56] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Bugs in guarani and navajo wikipedias - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13211  +comment (10brion)
[01:59:02] *Danny_B 	thinks adding more variables makes more evil than adding more values of such existinf variable
[01:59:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Error message on double-protected MediaWiki namespace pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13187  summary (10tstarling)
[02:04:38] <MZMcBride>	Bug 13187: The MediaWiki: pages aren't protected (action=protect) on en.wiki. The software messages just think they are.
[02:13:19] <brion>	Running test Gallery... Fatal error: Call to a member function getWidth() on a non-object in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/ImageGallery.php on line 249
[02:13:20] <brion>	tsk tsk
[02:17:40] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31477 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/ImageGallery.php): Revert r31473 -- causes fatal errors.
[02:19:33] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31478 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt: update a bunch of test cases for action=edit&redlink=1
[02:25:47] <brion>	heh... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080302-macbook-air-aflutter-demand-stays-strong-sold-out-often.html :D
[02:29:37] <kibble>	v
[02:29:56] <kibble>	ery cool
[02:33:02] <Typosu>	I bet its a bit of an odd request, but I have a need to mirror a wiki to another site for read only use, and the setup on that server is a little limited, I cant access the mysql config, so I have to depend on MediaWiki being able to mirror the data to both servers, if I can. is this possible?
[02:39:10] <brion>	well, good luck... 
[02:39:41] <brion>	you might or might not be able to adapt the OAI repository/harvester extension
[02:39:52] <brion>	depending on your needs
[02:40:23] <Typosu>	just a simple replication/mirror of the db to a secondary server, without using mysql's replication feature
[02:41:19] <Typosu>	without the overhead of constantly dumping and restoring of the db
[02:48:53] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31479 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: Correction to r31475 -- works with PHP 5.1 now.
[02:49:43] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31480 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: merge r31479 fix from trunk
[02:53:33] <norton>	Is TimStarling online?
[02:53:51] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[02:54:51] <norton>	i have a question for TimStarling about  the static HTML dump
[02:54:57] <norton>	Why there are files listed in the ".lst" files and do not exist in the "7z" archive file?
[03:00:52] <norton>	Did my question reach you?
[03:08:03] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Upload a new version of image causes an internal error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13210  +comment (10jburos)
[03:17:52] <Salanth>	Quick question.  Say I have a handful of pages in a wiki I'm setting up that I want only team members to be able to edit.  However, I do not want to make these team members Sysops.  What would be some recommendations?
[03:18:24] <Salanth>	I've read through the FAQs and nothing struck me as exactly what I need.
[03:18:41] <flyingparchment>	Salanth: use the Lockdown extension and put those pages in their own namespace
[03:18:49] <flyingparchment>	(or use a wiki that's designed for that sort of thing)
[03:18:58] <Salanth>	Thanks.
[03:19:10] <wind0pain>	to add a new page to mediawiki i need to add a link in an already existing page, correct? 
[03:19:12] <Splarka>	or set up another protection level and rights group
[03:19:31] <flyingparchment>	wind0pain: no, although that's how you're 'meant' to do it - a page with no incoming links is of little use
[03:19:32] <Splarka>	wind: you can also search, or just go to the page name directly
[03:20:02] <wind0pain>	Splarka: i've tried searching but i don't get a "create page" button or anything when the page is not found 
[03:20:16] <flyingparchment>	wind0pain: you must be running a very old mediawiki
[03:20:19] <Splarka>	you might have to edit your default search interface messages
[03:20:19] <wind0pain>	flyingparchment: so are all of wikipedia's links based off a main page? 
[03:20:22] <flyingparchment>	or someone has changed the interface messages
[03:20:29] <flyingparchment>	wind0pain: not a main page, just other pages
[03:20:48] <wind0pain>	flyingparchment: it's a default install, just downloaded yesterday 
[03:21:09] <MZMcBride>	There's never a create button. Just edit and save.
[03:21:11] <wind0pain>	so the initial "other pages" were created without first putting links in 
[03:21:11] <Splarka>	red links, search 'this page does not exist', and any other type of shortcut to create a new page... those are all just methods of getting you to ?title=PAGENAME&action=edit
[03:21:15] <Salanth>	Splarka, would another protection level/rights group be pretty simple to do?
[03:21:35] <MZMcBride>	Salanth: Not really.
[03:21:59] <wind0pain>	ahh i see "you can create this page" 
[03:21:59] <Splarka>	$wgRestrictionLevels = array( '', 'autoconfirmed', 'sysop' );
[03:22:00] <wind0pain>	ok 
[03:22:07] <Salanth>	*moderately, then.  I've got experience with PHP and the like.  I've just not touched the wiki software from an administrator standpoint.
[03:24:19] <Splarka>	Salanth: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictionLevels
[03:24:49] <Salanth>	Thanks.
[03:25:26] <Splarka>	alternately, and probably more securely...
[03:25:47] <Splarka>	is to set up a namespace restricted to a certain right
[03:26:03] <Splarka>	eg: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection
[03:27:10] <wind0pain>	do i need to change the owner of the images directory to enable uploads for a mediawiki install on my hosted wite?  i can change permissions but i do not see how to change owner
[03:27:12] <Splarka>	(both of these methods seem to be doable in core, though with an extension like flyingparchment suggested you can have more fine control over it)
[03:28:26] <wind0pain>	(using cpanel)
[03:32:56] <wind0pain>	guess i can do it through ftp if i knew what group # apache was 
[03:33:24] <wind0pain>	uid even
[03:33:41] <flyingparchment>	you can't change a file's owner unless you're root
[03:34:23] <wind0pain>	guess i should as the webhost to do it eh
[03:35:29] <wind0pain>	ahh i see in another doc here it says chmod777 or alow the apache user to write; i'll just 777 the directory unless there's a reason not to?
[03:35:48] <flyingparchment>	it allows anyone to put anything into your image directory
[03:35:55] <flyingparchment>	but then, they could do that if it was owned by apache too
[03:36:20] <wind0pain>	most wikis allowing uploading, right? 
[03:36:31] <Salanth>	Not by default.
[03:37:06] <wind0pain>	even admins wouldn't be able to upload? 
[03:38:14] <Salanth>	Nope.  *just went through that one himself*
[03:39:04] <wind0pain>	guess i could ftp files for starters
[03:40:30] <Kazuhiro>	Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of some layout guides. I am interested in creating a Main_Page with various boxes like the mediawiki page, but am having trouble finding the correct syntax guides for that
[03:40:31] <wind0pain>	if i create a page and don't link it to another page, is there any way to list all pages or would i only be able to find it by searching for it? 
[03:41:24] <Splarka>	wind0pain: Special:Allpages
[03:41:42] <Splarka>	as well as tools for finding dead-end pages (no links on them) and orphan pages (no links to them) on Special:Specialpages
[03:44:10] <wind0pain>	thanks
[04:02:17] <wind0pain>	is there a captcha / email verification method for creating user accounts? 
[04:02:51] <Skizzerz>	!e ConfirmEdit | wind0pain 
[04:02:51] --mwbot--	wind0pain: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit
[04:03:06] <Skizzerz>	captchas on account creation is one of the options :)
[04:03:46] <wind0pain>	if editing with an account, are IP addresses still visible to other users? 
[04:04:06] <Skizzerz>	no
[04:04:31] <wind0pain>	thanks 
[04:04:51] <Skizzerz>	although they are logged in the recentchanges table in the database, but only people with shell access to the database can see them
[04:05:01] <Skizzerz>	and it's possible to disable even that if you really want to
[04:09:11] <wind0pain>	how might i clear the deletion log? 
[04:09:28] <Skizzerz>	truncate the table in the database
[04:09:42] <wind0pain>	easy enough 
[04:09:57] <Skizzerz>	although that'll delete every log item, not just deletion
[04:10:29] <Skizzerz>	you'd have to delete individual rows to just delete one type of log
[04:24:44] <Salanth>	It's AMAZING what happens when you read the docs intelligently.  And have SSH access to LocalSettings.php
[04:24:59] <Skizzerz>	uh...
[04:25:16] <Salanth>	I finally figured out how the manual was setup.
[04:25:19] <Skizzerz>	</random moment>
[04:25:21] <Skizzerz>	ah :P
[04:29:45] <brion>	\o/
[04:29:48] <brion>	yay docs
[04:35:02] <wind0pain>	how is a contents block added to a document?  i see reading the captcha page that == and === are used to identify sections and sub sections but i don't see how the position of the contents block itself was determined 
[04:36:01] <brion>	before the first section, unless you specify otherwise
[04:37:25] <wind0pain>	i don't have a toc appearing at all though 
[04:37:46] <brion>	only shows up if there's more than N sections
[04:37:50] <Splarka>	there is a preferences "threshhold" for automatic generation
[04:37:51] <brion>	by default i think it's 3 or more?
[04:38:00] <wind0pain>	ahh
[04:38:41] <wind0pain>	can i add collapsable blocks of text to the wiki page? 
[04:38:42] <Splarka>	note that = == === ==== ===== ====== etc map to <h1> <h2> <h3> ... <h6> etc
[04:39:00] <Splarka>	most style guides advise using <h2> ==foo== since the monobook first heading is <h1>
[04:39:20] <wind0pain>	ahh
[04:39:47] <Splarka>	also, =h1= has some ambiguity between headers, and template parameters and parser functions 
[04:42:05] <Splarka>	collapsable blocks of text necessarily require javascript, but can easily be done with a bit of site-wide javascript and wikicode (or templates), so it is rarely done via extension
[04:42:19] <Splarka>	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame
[04:43:05] <Splarka>	(although CSS :hover style dynamic content is possible, it is not usually attempted, because IE sucks)
[04:43:59] <wind0pain>	perfect 
[04:46:44] <wind0pain>	is there a simple way to copy the editing help/cheatsheet/tutorials from wikipedia straight into my own wiki? 
[04:50:35] <Splarka>	Special:Export and Special:Import might help, but be aware of esoteric subtemplates and images and such
[05:01:21] <wind0pain>	thanks for the hand
[05:02:52] <kgoetz>	are those channel logs searchable?
[05:03:21] <kgoetz>	i know i asked a question here (perhaps a month ago) and i cant find the resources i collected at teh time
[05:03:41] <Splarka>	maybe amidaniel will grep them for you if you ask nicely?
[05:04:39] <kgoetz>	i was hoping to save other people from searching for me :/
[05:07:00] <Splarka>	you could download them all (ouch)
[05:07:57] <wind0pain>	hmmm [[Image:/images/myimage.jpg|thumb|caption]] doesn't seem to work for me 
[05:08:37] <Splarka>	right, you can only reference uploaded images by [[Image:]] (typically)
[05:09:01] <wind0pain>	oh, i can't just ftp it to the directory eh 
[05:10:10] *kgoetz 	takes a stab at a few log files and checks whats in them
[05:11:14] <Splarka>	well, try it without the full path
[05:11:45] <wind0pain>	yeah, i had tried that too 
[05:11:51] <Splarka>	[[Image:Myimage.jpg|thumb|caption]]  although depending on your settings, (hashed paths or not), the location you have to put it may differ
[05:12:39] <wind0pain>	maybe it needs to be in the database... the path when i click on it is ...php5?title=Image:myimage.jpg
[05:13:10] <kgoetz>	http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/chanlogs/%23mediawiki/20080213.txt :D might be what i'm after
[05:14:19] <flyingparchment>	kgoetz: those are probably indexed by google
[05:15:54] <kgoetz>	flyingparchment: i didnt have any luck with it
[05:19:34] <wind0pain>	where can i find the source-code displaying plugin ? 
[05:20:49] <Zach>	i wish i could do &action=render&section=#, which would work in the same way as &action=edit&section=#
[05:21:36] <Zach>	or &action=view&section=#, or &action=<somethingelse>&section=#
[05:29:37] <Splarka>	Zach, check out labelled section transclusions
[05:29:59] <Splarka>	wind0pain: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[05:30:27] *wind0pain 	looks for the slot to insert the quarters... thanks again ;)
[05:30:42] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31481 10/branches/REL1_9/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES api.php includes/DefaultSettings.php): 
[05:30:42] <CIA-43>	* Correction for API path fix, broken in 1.9.5
[05:30:42] <CIA-43>	bump to 1.9.6
[05:31:01] <wind0pain>	i was hoping to find a page listing mediawiki plugins but i didn't have much luck with google
[05:31:25] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31482 10/branches/REL1_10/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES api.php includes/DefaultSettings.php): 
[05:31:25] <CIA-43>	bump to 1.10.4
[05:31:25] <CIA-43>	* Correction for API path fix, broken in 1.10.3
[05:31:27] <wind0pain>	i guess if they're called extensions, i found my problem 
[05:32:51] <Splarka>	aha, brion is the thing that goes "bump" in the night
[05:40:36] <windopain>	night man.  thanks again. 
[05:41:09] <Splarka>	rar
[05:45:50] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31483 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatJson.php ApiMain.php ApiQueryBase.php): 
[05:45:50] <CIA-43>	Safety fixes for API:
[05:45:50] <CIA-43>	* drop user credentials for JSON callback output
[05:45:50] <CIA-43>	* anticipating future changes, don't report anon edit tokens in JSON callback output
[05:46:31] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31484 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/includes/api/ (ApiFormatJson.php ApiMain.php ApiQueryBase.php): Safety fixes for api JSON callback -- r31483 from trunk
[05:50:27] *Werdna 	waves
[05:50:33] <Werdna>	brion: did you look at invitations? :)
[05:50:39] <brion>	not yet
[05:51:23] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31485 10/branches/REL1_11/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Bump to 1.11.2; merge API safety fix from trunk
[05:51:23] <Werdna>	brion: okie
[05:51:39] <windopain>	back for more already, sigh. 
[05:51:42] <dbmoodb>	how do i set users to be in custom groups ?
[05:51:51] <Werdna>	dbmoodb: Special:Userrights
[05:51:53] <flyingparchment>	dbmoodb: Special:Userrights
[05:51:57] <windopain>	is the "to-do" list on wikipedia's discussion pages available as an extension? 
[05:52:11] <Werdna>	there's a to-do list on wikipedia's discussion pages?
[05:52:12] <flyingparchment>	windopain: it's not an extension.  it's just templates
[05:52:20] <Werdna>	oh, right. those things.
[05:52:49] <windopain>	oh i don't know the difference yet 
[05:53:15] <windopain>	is the template available to be downloaded? 
[05:53:24] <Werdna>	sure, if you can figure out which one
[05:53:30] <flyingparchment>	copy the source from Template:Whatever on wikipedia
[05:53:33] <flyingparchment>	(good luck)
[05:53:38] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31486 10/tags/REL1_9_6/: tag 1.9.6
[05:53:39] <windopain>	not simple eh
[05:53:58] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31487 10/tags/REL1_10_4/: tag 1.10.4
[05:54:14] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31488 10/tags/REL1_11_2/: tag 1.11.2
[05:55:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  +comment (10harding.ian)
[05:55:54] <Splarka>	brion: user credentials like generated tokens, preferences, watchlist, anything you need to be logged in to see for yourself?
[05:56:05] <brion>	$wgUser
[05:57:39] <Splarka>	that would be a clever exploit, have someone visit your webpage, have a <script> call back to wikipedia's json to get their edit token into your site's javascript, have it reported to your site via an ajax call..
[05:57:53] *Splarka 	stuffs beans in his nose
[05:58:09] <brion>	:)
[05:58:33] <brion>	damnit, i can't find my release script on this comp
[05:58:38] *brion 	heads over to the hard drive
[05:58:53] <Splarka>	oh, I see what you did, you made all json calls anonymous?
[05:58:59] *Splarka 	gives brion a cookie
[05:59:13] <flyingparchment>	<Splarka> i see what you did there
[05:59:20] <Splarka>	mmm, meme
[05:59:26] <brion>	heh
[06:00:02] <Splarka>	will this affect bot-related limitations as well? eg rvlimit=5000
[06:01:25] <brion>	well, it would affect anything user-session-related
[06:01:28] *Splarka 	guesses so, ponders more stupid questions
[06:05:29] <TimStarling>	brion, have you heard about my audio captcha experiments?
[06:07:37] <brion>	nope
[06:07:38] <brion>	they neat?
[06:08:19] <TimStarling>	well, not really, I've proven myself to be an idiot when it comes to signal processing
[06:08:28] <brion>	heh
[06:08:37] <TimStarling>	I only remember so much from undergrad, haven't really used it since, and don't know where my textbook is
[06:08:41] <TimStarling>	wikipedia helps very slightly
[06:10:05] <TimStarling>	but I did discover that cross-correlation is a very powerful tool
[06:10:34] *Splarka 	ponders making a totally client-side (except for the ads) live mirror using json
[06:11:28] <TimStarling>	if the voice recording is known to the attacker, or if they've received it before in a challenge, it's very difficult to obscure it
[06:11:42] <Splarka>	step 1: click my site, I <script> over the raw page, <script> again for action=parse, render in browser... step 3: profit!
[06:12:37] <TimStarling>	so the plan of attack was to write both a captcha generation tool and a captcha solving tool, both in scilab
[06:12:56] <TimStarling>	then you can evaluate how strong the noise needs to be before the captcha is secure
[06:13:16] <TimStarling>	that was the plan of attack, but then I discovered that I'm a DSP n00b
[06:13:37] <TimStarling>	I probably need to do some more reading first
[06:14:43] <Splarka>	maybe you could convince the wiktionaries to produce spoken pronounciation guides to all their words (like m-w.com has, a .wav for every word), and then utilize that
[06:15:17] <TimStarling>	yeah, but they'd have to be secret pronunciation guides
[06:15:18] <Splarka>	it could be "known" to the attacker if they can bother to keep downloading and updating their DB, but after tens of million of words, they'll probably give up
[06:15:28] <TimStarling>	well, maybe
[06:15:40] <Splarka>	(plus, you could "accidentally" have the dumps fail for wiktionaries, wink wink)
[06:16:16] <TimStarling>	there's this service I heard about, I think it's operating in the UK
[06:16:25] <TimStarling>	you hear a song in a nightclub, you wonder what it is
[06:16:33] <OverlordQ>	so are 1.12/1.11.2 releases RSN? 
[06:16:38] <Splarka>	one obvious benefit is, you'd have a significant fraction of user-collaborated word/sound associations for most words in most languages (eventually) to choose from
[06:16:40] <TimStarling>	so you dial this number on your mobile, let the computer listen to it for 15 seconds
[06:16:53] <TimStarling>	and then it searches a database of like a million songs for a correlation
[06:16:57] <Splarka>	nice
[06:16:59] <TimStarling>	tells you what song it is immediately
[06:17:11] <Splarka>	isn't that same database used to try to intercept copyvio audio sharing?
[06:17:20] <TimStarling>	could easily be
[06:18:38] <OverlordQ>	http://www.411song.com/
[06:20:01] <TimStarling>	it's very clever, but scary for a captcha designer because it shows you how easily known recordings can be detected even in high noise or distortion
[06:20:59] <Splarka>	even with speed and formant fiddling?
[06:21:35] <TimStarling>	formant?
[06:23:00] <Splarka>	"timbre"
[06:23:49] <TimStarling>	if you change the speed enough, you won't get a match, but they say it'll work for up to 5% speed difference
[06:24:06] <TimStarling>	I don't think timbre would make any difference, if they're using the technique I think they're using
[06:24:07] <Splarka>	contrast timbre/formant to pitch/frequency to amplitude/volume
[06:24:41] <TimStarling>	speed doesn't help much for captchas if you have a small dictionary, because you can just brute-force that parameter
[06:25:10] <Splarka>	classic example: if you inhale helium, you increase the speed of sound to the point the wave doesn't resonate as many times in your vocal cord, and so sounds "hollow", though the frequency (pitch) is the same
[06:25:52] <Splarka>	(is also an important point of voice distortion, as used in cinema for digital terrorist)
[06:26:04] <TimStarling>	or you could just run the sound through an LPF
[06:26:18] <TimStarling>	get much the same effect, suppress the harmonics
[06:26:41] <Salanth>	to add a custom usergroup, $wgGroupPermissions['group]['permission'] = true; ?
[06:27:09] <Splarka>	Salanth: yes, then that group will start appearing in Special:Listusers and Special:Userrights
[06:27:18] <Salanth>	Okay
[06:27:20] <Salanth>	Thanks.
[06:27:45] <Splarka>	Tim: 5% leeway for speed, how much for LPF/timbre?
[06:31:57] <TimStarling>	well, assuming they do it by calculating correlations, there's a tradeoff between the accuracy of the match and the length of the recording
[06:32:27] <TimStarling>	presumably you could find a match based on a small frequency band, if the recording was long enough
[06:33:27] <Splarka>	nasty position then, for anyone trying to build an open source audio captcha
[06:33:57] <TimStarling>	the problem as always comes down to: what can a human do better than a computer?
[06:35:09] <Splarka>	play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29 and .... not much else
[06:35:35] <TimStarling>	but also I'm wondering: maybe there's some way to defeat a naive captcha solver without really producing a hard AI problem
[06:35:42] <TimStarling>	just a spammer deterrent instead
[06:36:53] <Splarka>	hmm
[06:37:23] <Splarka>	is there any audio captcha system that asks the user to choose "which musical clip sounds best"
[06:37:51] <Splarka>	you could try various levels of compression and distortion, with one specifically aimed to be much more pleasant to the human than the others
[06:38:05] <Splarka>	that is something humans can do well at least
[06:39:08] <TimStarling>	there are many things that humans can do well, but that's only a small part of the problem, isn't it?
[06:39:57] <TimStarling>	a computer doesn't have to solve the problem the same way as the human, it just has to solve it
[06:49:40] <TimStarling>	one possible way to defeat a naive correlation is to have loud noise in between the numbers, and to make the numbers themselves quiet with not so much noise
[06:50:16] <TimStarling>	a correlation will give higher peaks for louder noise
[06:50:37] <TimStarling>	it's trivial to defeat by just removing the loud bits in the time domain
[06:51:16] <Splarka>	hmm
[07:23:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (herd)
[07:23:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) JS: addOnloadHook() calls after runOnloadHook() fail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12773  (10herd)
[07:25:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232  (10herd)
[07:32:47] <brion>	ok, that was fun
[07:32:49] <brion>	sleep time now
[07:59:59] <AaronSchulz>	nighty
[08:00:10] *AaronSchulz 	still has one Statics problem to do
[08:00:11] <AaronSchulz>	bah
[08:01:43] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) <gallery> blows up small images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13214  +comment (10huji.huji)
[08:02:02] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: just build a Strong AI ;)
[08:02:15] *AaronSchulz 	reads Danny's blog
[08:02:47] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: I don't know what to think of all this drama
[08:03:43] <AaronSchulz>	bah, Tim left already
[08:03:56] *AaronSchulz 	stops talking to the wall and kicks "conference mode"
[08:04:04] <Splarka>	drama?
[08:04:18] <MZMcBride>	http://allswool.blogspot.com/
[08:04:20] *Splarka 	pops through the wall "Oh Yah!"
[08:04:34] <MZMcBride>	Real-life drama.
[08:08:05] *Werdna 	tickles AaronSchulz 
[08:51:05] <michael_auf_Konv>	7,1
[09:02:31] <yuss>	hi guys. When using the Edit API from Vodafone, when we get the edit token, to reuse it, do we keep the +\ at the end?
[09:06:02] <Splarka>	that is there to catch misconfigured proxies
[09:06:17] <Splarka>	(has to be returned unescaped)
[09:23:19] <haumi>	hi @ll, is there a way to disable the database connection for mediawiki?
[09:24:06] <Werdna>	haumi: why on earth would you want to do that?
[09:24:11] <haumi>	;-)
[09:24:56] <archivist>	is a bicycle any good without wheels
[09:25:06] <haumi>	i'm working on a wikipedia offline client, and we need to parse the wikimarkup. my idea is to build an cli and parse it through the Mediawiki API
[09:25:19] <haumi>	for that reason i don't need a database
[09:25:37] <haumi>	i tried to disable all caches but it did not helped
[09:26:11] <Splarka>	you want to create a stand-alone parser, basically?
[09:26:16] <haumi>	right
[09:26:34] <Splarka>	but one that also allows markup (parserhook) extensions..
[09:26:52] <haumi>	yes
[09:27:06] <Splarka>	hmm, would one have to create a dummy database to fool those extensions so as not to have to rewrite them?
[09:28:54] <haumi>	i had this idea already too but i would prefer a database-less stand-alone aprser
[09:30:49] <haumi>	do some extensions explicit need a database?
[09:31:22] <Splarka>	well, I'd assume some would break without it
[09:32:07] <haumi>	mhhh, okay but i don't care them yet :-P
[09:40:47] <haumi>	and i don't understand why i need a database connection if i want to parse 'Hello'
[09:41:22] <haumi>	the LinkCache and MessageCache wants to query the database
[09:41:47] <haumi>	Splarka: and i don't understand why i need a database connection if i want to parse 'Hello'
[09:43:52] <Splarka>	Hello might be a parser hook according to some random weird extension
[09:44:28] <haumi>	i only have two extensions installed: Cite and ParserFunctions
[09:46:40] <Splarka>	ahh, thought you were going to parse raw wikipedia code (which has a bunch)
[09:46:49] <Splarka>	"wikipedia offline client"
[09:48:25] <Duesentrieb>	haumi: the parser needs access to the database. to resolve templates, at the very leat - and for several other things too. 
[09:48:49] <Duesentrieb>	haumi: there's no standalone parser ,there's not even a decent grammar. the thing we have is a munger - it chews the text until it resembles html.
[09:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	this has been lamented for years, but no one has managed to fix it without breaking 50 million pages on wikipedia
[09:49:28] <Splarka>	sure they did
[09:49:32] <Splarka>	before there were 50 million!
[09:49:36] <Splarka>	technicality ftw
[09:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	>_<
[09:49:56] *Duesentrieb 	wonders how many pages there actually are
[09:50:10] <Duesentrieb>	the numebr of "real" articles should be betweeen 6-8 million
[09:50:37] <_wooz>	lo
[09:52:44] <haumi>	okay
[09:53:05] <haumi>	but i think that i don't need this templates
[09:53:07] <haumi>	:-P
[09:53:32] <haumi>	before i parse the mediawiki markup i parse the XML dumps
[09:53:42] <haumi>	where the templates and articles are
[09:54:43] <haumi>	my current problem is, that the LinkCache::addLinkObj wants to query the database, but i disabled the LnkCache, how could this be?
[09:57:44] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: 33,097,499 total pages on all wikipedias and 9,805,483 "good" articles according to s23
[09:57:58] <Duesentrieb>	s23?
[09:58:07] <Splarka>	and 43,504,773 pages on all wikimedia, with 14,140,138 'good
[09:58:12] <Splarka>	http://s23.org/wikistats/
[09:58:26] <Splarka>	some guy who grabs Special:Statistics?action=raw on all known mediawiki sites constantly
[09:58:39] <Duesentrieb>	ha, didn't know that site
[10:08:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	no siebrand? what a shame, I'd have a bit of stuff to commit here for him ;-)
[10:09:08] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31489 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php: API: Make spaces in ucuserprefix actually work
[10:09:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CIDR ranges api.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13157  (10roan.kattouw)
[10:10:36] <OverlordQ>	so I noticed brion bumped version numbers, that mean 1.11.2 and 1.12 due RSN?
[10:10:45] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[10:11:09] <OverlordQ>	cool
[10:11:27] <Jack_Phoenix>	RoanKattouw: hi there. wanna commit a few things for me? nothing overly-complicated, just the missing wgExtensionCredits to Wikia's SocialProfile stuff...I've added them to http://en.wiredtape.com/wiki/User:Bfhappy/SocialProfile ;-)
[10:11:28] <nakeee>	there used to be a mediawiki postgress developer around
[10:11:35] <nakeee>	is he still handing around here?:)
[10:11:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	nakeee, yes. he's G_SabinoMullane (who seems to be /away at the moment)
[10:12:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  +comment (10overlordq)
[10:12:23] <nakeee>	Jack_Phoenix, ok thanks
[10:12:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	np
[10:12:41] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: On it
[10:12:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	cool :-D
[10:13:41] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: Do you know about descriptionmsg?
[10:14:19] <Jack_Phoenix>	ya, but I think that it's quite the silly idea and since those tools don't have descriptionmsg yet, I decided to exclude it
[10:15:11] <RoanKattouw>	Well policy is to have a descriptionmsg. Or are these extensions without i18n files?
[10:15:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	no, they do have i18n files, just not a descriptionmsg
[10:15:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	(and I still see no point in translating Special:Version... o_o)
[10:15:56] <RoanKattouw>	Some do
[10:16:25] <RoanKattouw>	So please 1) add descriptionmsg's and 2) run svn diff and paste it somewhere (far easier for me to commit)
[10:17:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	I'll just wait for siebrand, not that smart with tortoisesvn & such tools ;-)
[10:17:36] <RoanKattouw>	Jack_Phoenix: No big deal, just right-click the extensions folder and choose Create patch...
[10:21:17] <haumi>	... okay, i found a solution for my problem
[10:21:38] <haumi>	the problem was, that Title.php generates edit links on pages :-P
[10:22:09] <haumi>	and for the link-generation it first checks if the "userCan" edit this page
[10:22:40] <haumi>	is it possible to disable this links via skins?
[10:22:57] <haumi>	because i disabled the code as workaround
[10:26:06] <Shashi>	hey what did yo disable?
[10:26:35] <Shashi>	hey what did yo disable?
[10:27:54] <Shashi>	ok is any developer of the core out there? i have some serious thing to talk about...
[10:29:35] <RoanKattouw>	Shashi: Name it
[10:29:41] <OverlordQ>	think they're probably afk, but ask anyways and somebody else might be able to help
[10:29:58] <Shashi>	ok...
[10:30:07] <RoanKattouw>	Well I mostly do API stuff, but I know a thing or two about the core as well
[10:30:35] <Shashi>	i'm upto developing a research collaboration tool by modifying the media wiki code
[10:30:49] <Shashi>	but i need some expert advice
[10:31:21] <Shashi>	i wanna classify the articles into papers, articles
[10:31:38] <Shashi>	i wanna make a subject hyrarchy
[10:32:00] <Shashi>	under which each article/paper will be classified
[10:32:49] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm
[10:32:52] <Shashi>	and i jst wanted to know if anny1 here can help me understand the code to do this.
[10:33:14] <Shashi>	i've come out with a list of things i've to do to achive this
[10:33:15] <RoanKattouw>	Well have you thought of using categories to classify stuff and the CategoryTree extension to make a nice-looking tree?
[10:33:19] <RoanKattouw>	!e CategoryTree
[10:33:19] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[10:33:38] <Shashi>	wassat?
[10:33:44] <Shashi>	wait ill check
[10:34:38] <Shashi>	ok watdoes it do?
[10:36:32] <haumi>	Shashi: is disabled the quickUserCan and the following4 lines .. Line 3321 of Parser.php (in formatHeadings)
[10:36:46] <RoanKattouw>	Shashi: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategoryTree&target=Politicians&mode=pages&dotree=Show+Tree
[10:37:24] <RoanKattouw>	Or http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategoryTree&target=Presidents&mode=pages&dotree=Show+Tree , probably more understandable
[10:37:32] <RoanKattouw>	You can click the - and + signs
[10:37:33] <Shashi>	ok thats fine i understood it formats the catagory list and puts it uing ajax it also helps maintain articles under em... i'll download it and study....
[10:38:23] <Shashi>	ya thats really cool...
[10:39:01] <Shashi>	thank you...
[10:39:09] <RoanKattouw>	No problem
[10:39:15] *AzaTht 	ties RoanKattouw to the chair
[10:39:45] <RoanKattouw>	Oh hi
[10:40:44] <Shashi>	when viewing an article i want the first line to show this Science>Astronomy>Mars>raceto  mars if anyone is reading an article or a paper under the research Race to mars
[10:40:49] <Shashi>	???
[10:40:56] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: I'm still waiting for the user generators ツ
[10:41:20] <Shashi>	izzat possible?
[10:41:38] <sim1>	Hi i'm using parser functions in a template to output a list of named parameters. Though if one of the named parameters is not present a newline/line break is stored thus breaking the list. So if the following fails (false) how can I stop it from outputting a newline/line break: {{ #if: {{{what|}}} | * What: {{{what}}} }}
[10:42:13] <RoanKattouw>	Shasi: That'll happen automatically if you call the article Science/Astronomy/Mars/Race to Mars
[10:42:42] <RoanKattouw>	You can't really use categories for that since articles can be (and often are) in multiple categories at once
[10:42:45] <Shashi>	RoanKattouw:if i use catagory treee?
[10:43:32] <RoanKattouw>	sim1: Check that you didn't do {{mytemplate|what=|otherparam=stuff}} You really must omit what=
[10:43:37] <Splarka>	sim1: I think what is often done is the if function is put on the previous line
[10:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	And remove the space between #if: and {{{what|}}}
[10:43:58] <Splarka>	}}{{#if:foo|
[10:44:11] <Splarka>	*bar}}{{#if:baz|
[10:44:11] <Splarka>	etc
[10:44:15] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: I know ;) After APIEdit is done I'm gonna write ApiUserSet, analogous to ApiPageSet
[10:44:25] <Splarka>	(but that is for tables, more than for lists)
[10:44:42] <Shashi>	I saw it in ur link i get it now thank you Roan
[10:44:45] *AzaTht 	waits...
[10:44:55] <sim1>	RoanKattouw + Shashi: I will try that.
[10:47:41] <Shashi>	and also i wanted to create a thing altogether alien to mediawiki>>> aa tab after the edit tab caled 'Chat'! i would use ajax to power t and itd b just like ths chat thing many at once! isnt that cool?
[10:47:48] <Shashi>	and an events calendar
[10:47:58] <Shashi>	for each research...
[10:48:26] <RoanKattouw>	!man Hooks/SkinTemplateContentAction
[10:48:26] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks%2FSkinTemplateContentAction
[10:48:41] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[10:48:54] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateContentActions <-- there it is
[10:49:08] <RoanKattouw>	You can use that hook to add tabs
[10:49:10] <Shashi>	got it
[10:49:19] <Shashi>	ok thanx
[10:49:31] <sim1>	Splarka: thanks, breaking it up over multiple lines did the trick. Makes the template less readable though. 
[10:49:57] <Splarka>	sim1: try -->\n<!-- maybe (although that gets old fast
[10:50:04] <Splarka>	}}<!--
[10:50:07] <Splarka>	-->{{#if
[10:50:24] *Splarka 	too sleepy to type wikicode
[10:50:46] <sim1>	Splarka: your right, that would get old, 
[10:50:51] <RoanKattouw>	Pff what is your timezone, Splarka?
[10:51:17] <Splarka>	sPecific Standard Time
[10:51:30] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[10:51:39] <RoanKattouw>	I thought all Americans would be gone by now :P
[10:51:48] <Splarka>	3-amish
[10:51:57] <Splarka>	well, 2 amish and a quaker
[10:52:05] <Splarka>	always time for puns
[10:52:39] <sim1>	Splarka: -->\n<!-- is a cool idea, does about the same for readability. Thanks regardless.
[10:54:59] <Shashi>	Roan:I got the hook thing it works! so easily!
[11:01:42] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31490 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): stubs for new export classes that will make RDF/OWL export faster and more flexible
[11:09:50] <Shashi>	see this http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpsmartirc/
[11:10:23] <Shashi>	Roan:how can i integrate it withthe edited wiki
[11:10:46] <Shashi>	imean tell me your imagination not the tech part
[11:12:43] <dbmoodb>	quick q
[11:12:52] <dbmoodb>	should localsettings be chmod 644 or chmod 640 ?
[11:13:01] <dbmoodb>	or should be be something else
[11:13:30] <RoanKattouw>	dbmoodb: Doesn't matter much, as long as the web server can read it
[11:14:00] <RoanKattouw>	Shashi: Err, I don't know, embed some kind of AJAX-driven thing in a special page?
[11:14:08] <RoanKattouw>	I have no imagination, only technical knowledge ;)
[11:14:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Turn on DidYouMean extension on en.wiktionary.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12329  (10N/A)
[11:14:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install DidYouMean extension on the English Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794  (10N/A)
[11:14:49] <Shashi>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contentsalso uses category tree...
[11:15:20] <Shashi>	ok leave..
[11:17:34] <Shashi>	Can you tell me some more stuffs i can add to make my edit a complete open source research colab. tool??
[11:18:24] <RoanKattouw>	!e SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi | Shashi
[11:18:24] --mwbot--	Shashi: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[11:18:29] <RoanKattouw>	I hope I spelled that correctly
[11:19:01] <Shashi>	U Did...
[11:23:54] <Duesentrieb>	!highlight | RoanKattouw
[11:23:54] --mwbot--	RoanKattouw: there are several extensions for syntax highlighting, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Syntax_highlighting - the most popular one is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
[11:23:58] <Duesentrieb>	easier to remember :)
[11:24:21] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[11:24:28] <RoanKattouw>	Forgot about mwbot for a while
[11:24:53] <Shashi>	Thanx... I will also try to help users form their own groups of researchers...by including some fiels in the users table... isnit good?
[11:25:12] <RoanKattouw>	Shashi: Groups can be formed with Special:Userrights
[11:25:13] <RoanKattouw>	!groups
[11:25:13] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "groups". You might try: !protect 
[11:25:18] <RoanKattouw>	!rights
[11:25:18] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[11:26:49] <Duesentrieb>	Shashi: "cluding some fiels in the users table"? huh? do you really want to use mediawiki's user groups for this? they are really "roles" for access controls.
[11:27:10] <Duesentrieb>	Shashi: fro collaboration, use categories and project pages
[11:30:04] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31491 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php api/ApiQueryUserContributions.php): API: Adding $wgAPIUCUserPrefixMinLength config variable to close a DOS window
[11:30:44] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: afraid of some ghosts?
[11:31:08] <AzaTht>	!mama
[11:31:08] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "mama".
[11:31:10] <RoanKattouw>	In this case, yeah, we don't want people to go run ucuserprefix=A as that find all users whose name starts with 'A'
[11:31:22] <RoanKattouw>	Two-character strings already time out at enwp
[11:32:04] <AzaTht>	instead of having fixed length limits in the api, could't it be possible to have time cutof limits?
[11:32:16] <RoanKattouw>	Time cutoff?
[11:32:40] <AzaTht>	like "grab as much data possible under x seconds"
[11:32:41] <RoanKattouw>	Once a query is sent to the DB server we can't say "hey, you ran for 10 secs now, that's enough"
[11:32:51] <AzaTht>	think it could be possible
[11:33:10] <Splarka>	the way this works too is kinda bad... it first has to match all usernames matching the prefix, and then check their recent contribs to fill its limit..
[11:33:28] <Splarka>	until it gets sated and has dessert
[11:33:34] <AzaTht>	hehe
[11:33:35] <Splarka>	!mama is I don't know where your mommy is.
[11:33:35] --mwbot--	Successfully added keyword: mama
[11:34:02] *Splarka 	takes bets on how long it takes ami to delete it
[11:34:11] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Is Special:Prefixindex (page_title LIKE 'something%') optimized in some way? Indexed?
[11:34:24] <domas>	yup
[11:34:27] <flyingparchment>	RoanKattouw: that is indexed as long as you specify page_namespace as well
[11:34:30] <domas>	(namespace,title) index
[11:34:34] <domas>	yeah, what river says
[11:34:52] <domas>	RoanKattouw: would you imagine me committing in such feature that is not optimized? :)
[11:35:12] <RoanKattouw>	And how would that be for rev_user_text?
[11:36:27] <RoanKattouw>	If I ran rev_user_text LIKE '195.123.%' , how bad would that be?
[11:37:30] <AzaTht>	domas: perhaps it could be a feature in mysql, to have a select query abort automatically after x time units, and return the gathered data until that time?
[11:38:02] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: that doesn't make sense in the general case.
[11:38:09] <domas>	AzaTht: that is very bad practice, generally
[11:38:12] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: assembling the result is usually not a linear process.
[11:38:16] <domas>	AzaTht: because you would not do job, and still take resources
[11:38:35] <domas>	RoanKattouw: only on enwiki/db6 :)
[11:38:57] <domas>	well, see, indexing can be just for looking up, and it can be for data covering
[11:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Currently, it's possible for anyone to run rev_user_text LIKE 'A%' on enwp, which takes > 30 seconds
[11:39:10] <domas>	we have rev_user_text index, but covering is only for enwiki only on db6
[11:39:11] *RoanKattouw 	hides
[11:39:19] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: that is, generating the actual result rows may nto take very long. joining all the neessary stuff together might. or you might have to sort after everything has arived. or...
[11:39:30] <domas>	on the other hand, I'm not sure api uses querygroups
[11:39:44] <RoanKattouw>	What's that?
[11:39:53] <RoanKattouw>	$db->begin(); and $db->commit(); ?
[11:42:07] <AzaTht>	hmm
[11:42:08] <Duesentrieb>	domas, flyingparchment: while you are discussing database madness... what do you think of "WikiData light"? http://brightbyte.de/page/WikiData_light
[11:42:35] <RoanKattouw>	SMW rip-off? xD
[11:42:36] <domas>	Duesentrieb: say, you collect that data
[11:42:37] <domas>	what then?
[11:43:15] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Do you mean this? $this->selectNamedDB('contributions', DB_SLAVE, 'contributions');
[11:43:16] <Duesentrieb>	domas: on-wiki, it would give you a nice way to query stuff by property. say, pages about locations in a given area
[11:43:27] <RoanKattouw>	!e SemanticMediaWiki | Duesentrieb
[11:43:27] --mwbot--	Duesentrieb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticMediaWiki
[11:43:35] <domas>	RoanKattouw: mhm
[11:44:17] <domas>	Duesentrieb: how does one index that? :)
[11:44:24] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: i know that thing. it doesn't scale, nither technically nor socially, to wikipedia's size. SMW is great for soem things, but not really for this. The Original WikiData would be more suited, but I feel it's still to heavy
[11:44:31] <RoanKattouw>	It uses wfGetDB(DB_SLAVE, 'something'); internally
[11:44:37] <Duesentrieb>	domas: (group, property, value)
[11:44:47] <Duesentrieb>	domas: and (page, group, property)
[11:44:52] <Duesentrieb>	(maybe)
[11:44:57] <AzaTht>	domas: on an other note, is there a fast way to grab first revisions of pages?
[11:45:20] <domas>	AzaTht: select ... order by timestamp limit 1?
[11:45:21] <domas>	:)
[11:45:42] <Duesentrieb>	domas: for off-wiki uses of stuff like this, just read all the papers about fact/knowledge extraction from wikipedia (start with the dbpedia project). the nlp and datamining types are all hot for this stuff.
[11:45:51] <AzaTht>	domas: haha :-P
[11:46:23] <Duesentrieb>	domas: do you think it would scale? and what do you think of the idea to allow some property-groups to be stored in a separate table?
[11:47:00] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Since rev_user_text LIKE 'A%' times out on enwp and things like '195%' or 'Du%' take a long time (>10s), I added a minimum in r31491. Was that a good thing?
[11:47:03] <AzaTht>	domas: it's about a script on toolserver that grabs all pages created by the user, though the problem is that it's pretty slow
[11:48:43] <domas>	AzaTht: http://jan.kneschke.de/projects/mysql/groupwise-max
[11:49:15] <domas>	Duesentrieb: and how does one search by property then?
[11:50:13] <Duesentrieb>	domas: what do you mean by "how"? how db-wise, or interface-wise, or...
[11:50:54] <Duesentrieb>	domas: it would be simple enough to query all people born in x, right?
[11:51:02] <domas>	how do you query ranges? :)
[11:51:06] <domas>	or locations?
[11:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	domas: fpr geographic searches, you'd need ranges though
[11:51:18] <domas>	how do you query hierarchies/tags/subtags?
[11:51:19] <Duesentrieb>	indeed :)
[11:51:30] <Duesentrieb>	tags? this is not about tags.
[11:51:37] <Duesentrieb>	it's not about structure
[11:51:46] <Duesentrieb>	it's about simple properties with simple values.
[11:51:59] <Duesentrieb>	it doesn't even provide relations between paghes.
[11:52:07] <domas>	yeah, but people will want to find "articles in X category or it's subcategories that have x property equal to y"
[11:52:25] <domas>	I mean, if you really towards generic data platform
[11:52:33] <domas>	you will found out how complicated it eventually gets
[11:52:35] <Duesentrieb>	sure they want that
[11:52:39] <Duesentrieb>	that's why i wrote catscan :)
[11:52:57] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, the problem of category-with-subcategories, and category intersection, is not solved by this. 
[11:53:01] <domas>	see, compare say how many useful tasks per second toolserver does
[11:53:03] <domas>	and how loaded it is
[11:53:09] <domas>	with how many pageviews we serve on regular cluster
[11:53:11] <domas>	:)
[11:53:16] <Duesentrieb>	sure. 
[11:53:23] <Duesentrieb>	but i do not see your point
[11:53:49] <Duesentrieb>	the property data is useful by itself. it would be more useful with the ability to query the category structure. but that is not a requirement
[11:54:05] <Duesentrieb>	structural queries are an issue to be sadressed separately. even if the results can be combined
[11:55:42] <Duesentrieb>	simple data records would be a majore step from the "text soup" we have now. also, once the data is in the db, it would be simple enough to migrate it into a "real" wikidata thing, or even smw setup.
[11:55:49] <Duesentrieb>	the table layout is generic enough
[12:08:09] <Nikerabbit>	ello
[12:08:24] *brown_cat 	watches NickC
[12:09:07] <Nikerabbit>	+h
[12:29:33] <AzaTht>	domas: phailed :(
[12:45:38] <AzaTht>	ghah
[12:57:11] <AzaTht>	why is site js and css generated via page -?
[12:57:20] <AzaTht>	seems strange to have title=-
[12:58:35] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: because it doesn't have a title?
[12:58:53] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: and?
[12:58:54] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: it's generated from multiple sources, iirc
[12:59:05] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: there is a title called '-'
[12:59:13] <Duesentrieb>	err?
[12:59:21] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-
[12:59:26] <Duesentrieb>	ah, yes.
[12:59:29] <AzaTht>	@import "/w/index.php?title=-&action=raw&gen=css&maxage=2678400&smaxage=0&ts=20080302165733";
[12:59:45] <AzaTht>	looks fnunky
[12:59:55] <Duesentrieb>	yea, it's an ugly hack
[13:00:09] <Duesentrieb>	i guess the reason is that giving no title triggers a redirect. or used to. 
[13:00:33] <Duesentrieb>	would have been nicer to use an impossibel title though. like #
[13:00:39] <Duesentrieb>	or |
[13:00:53] <AzaTht>	And I've still to find where "a.new, #quickbar a.new { color: #CC2200; }" is stated
[13:00:56] <Bilal>	hi i just installed a mediawiki , i need some help with configurations
[13:01:22] <AzaTht>	that's the only content of the css
[13:01:51] <Duesentrieb>	AzaTht: if you strip the title from that url, it still works :)
[13:02:15] <Duesentrieb>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&gen=css
[13:02:19] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: would adding a "fake" rev=123545 to /w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=2678400 reduce the risk of overcaching?
[13:02:27] <AzaTht>	Duesentrieb: that I know
[13:03:00] <Duesentrieb>	overcaching? it's cached pretty much forever anyway...
[13:03:18] <Duesentrieb>	Bilal: welcome to the channel. please ask a concrete question
[13:07:28] <Bilal>	 Duesentrieb: IN the help manual i see various variables, and i also see help what these variables do. But i do not understand where i change these variables? Do i need to use FTP to access specific files and edit them?
[13:08:35] <Duesentrieb>	yes. one file.
[13:08:38] <Duesentrieb>	!config | Bilal
[13:08:38] --mwbot--	Bilal: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>
[13:08:45] <Duesentrieb>	also, ftp access sucks
[13:08:49] <Duesentrieb>	!shell | Bilal
[13:08:49] --mwbot--	Bilal: Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[13:09:25] <Bilal>	thank you Duesentrieb 
[13:44:11] <piero>	Hello, I want to make a search in wikipedia from python code. How can I do it? Which searching engine API should I use for it?
[13:48:45] <Duesentrieb>	piero: api.php offers an OpenSearch interface. that would be the Right Thing in theory. last time i tried it, it was broken, though :(
[13:49:14] <Duesentrieb>	piero: you can always interact with Special:Search, but scraping the result is a bit painful.
[13:51:57] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31492 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:51:57] <CIA-43>	*Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[13:51:57] <CIA-43>	*Updating Translate extension tool
[13:53:13] <piero>	Duesentrieb: and there is no other searching engine for organazing search in wikipedia using that engine's api?
[13:54:11] <Duesentrieb>	piero: i suspect the answer is no, but your wording is confusing :)
[13:59:47] <piero>	Duesentrieb: ok, thanx, I'll try to find solution myself
[14:00:46] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31493 10/trunk/extensions/Throttle/ (UserThrottle.i18n.php UserThrottle.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[14:10:11] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31494 10/trunk/extensions/UserRightsNotif/ (UserRightsNotif.i18n.php UserRightsNotif.php): Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[14:10:51] <mrshlee>	Hello - Id like to disable the standard naming convention of considering the first letter a capital
[14:11:31] <mrshlee>	eg I would like to use /devkitPro - Any ideas?
[14:14:21] <Zaerath>	Hey guys, I just installed MediaWiki and it makes all my articles accessible via serverroot:/wiki/index.php/ARTICLE.... How can I change it to just use /wiki/ARTICLE?
[14:19:51] <Morbus>	see the FAQ on short URLs.
[14:22:23] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31495 10/trunk/extensions/BadImage/BadImage.php: Removing redondant extension description
[14:27:13] <cosmodad>	I'd like to do a XML backup using dumpBackup.php, but apparently I don't have no php binary available on the server, just php-cgi. Can someone give me a hint how to achieve this anyway?
[14:43:18] <RobH>	ATTN:  the main Subversion server will be rebooting in two minutes time for an update.  If all goes well, it should be back online as soon as the reboot is completed.
[14:44:32] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31496 10/trunk/extensions/Tooltip/Tooltip.php: removing redondant code
[14:48:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  (10roan.kattouw)
[14:49:22] <RobH>	Subversion is back online.
[14:49:46] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, here?
[14:57:34] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31497 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: 
[14:57:34] <CIA-43>	Changed URL structure ("?_cat=CategoryName" is now "/CategoryName"), replaced
[14:57:34] <CIA-43>	makeURLQuery() with makeBrowseURL()
[14:57:55] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31498 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/ (INSTALL includes/SD_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.3.8
[15:00:12] <G_SabinoMullane>	nakeee: Busy, but sorta here
[15:00:18] <Nikerabbit>	ör
[15:01:13] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, is it a feature that psql uses schemas only for the install and then it uses the catalog tables for finding the tables by name?
[15:01:49] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, it will really be of much help if it could use the schemas 
[15:02:24] <G_SabinoMullane>	nakeee: You can use schemas by defining wgDBmwschema
[15:03:21] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, I do but it ignores it
[15:03:38] <nakeee>	I'm using 1.11.1
[15:03:59] <G_SabinoMullane>	Make sure wgDBts2schema is set as well.
[15:04:04] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, it didn't work when I put 2 wikis on the same db on different schmas
[15:04:37] <nakeee>	and when I put the tables somewhere else it seemed to find them anyhow
[15:05:12] <G_SabinoMullane>	grep for 'SET search_path' in DatabasePostgres.php to see how it works.
[15:05:41] <G_SabinoMullane>	It was changed recently, but I thought it as post-1.11
[15:05:45] <G_SabinoMullane>	s/as/was/
[15:07:08] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31499 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): +very basic functions for new export code
[15:14:50] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) <gallery> doesn't scale SVG images up to 120px - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3499  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:14:52] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) <gallery> doesn't scale SVG images up to 120px - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3499  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:14:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <gallery> blows up small images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13214  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[15:15:25] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, aren't those functions called on install only?
[15:15:47] <nakeee>	G_SabinoMullane, isomething is wrong there for sure as it really didn't work with 2 wikis:)
[15:16:15] <G_SabinoMullane>	nakeee: No, that's inside the "open" which is called every time you connect to the db.
[15:16:24] <G_SabinoMullane>	Let me see when that part was changed...
[15:18:58] <G_SabinoMullane>	nakeee: Changes occured aound 25259. I don't have time to dig further, I'm afraid. You could compare that section of code (your version) with the svn one and see if it has changed. If so, apply. If not, raise a bug and yell at me. :)
[15:25:26] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31500 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBg.php MessagesHu.php MessagesKm.php MessagesPs.php): Update Special magic messages core from BETAWIKi
[15:25:48] <VasilievVV>	Grondin: BETAWIKi?
[15:26:06] <Nikerabbit>	VasilievVV: translatewiki.net
[15:26:12] <VasilievVV>	I know :)
[15:26:13] <RoanKattouw>	He knows that
[15:26:17] <RoanKattouw>	It's just a weird spelling
[15:26:37] <Nikerabbit>	you can expect anything in commit messages
[15:28:26] <Grondin>	VasilievVV, yes
[15:28:26] <Grondin>	BETAWIKI
[15:28:26] <Grondin>	http://translatewiki.net
[15:28:52] <VasilievVV>	i thought it's Betawiki
[15:32:35] <cosmodad_>	I just patch-upgraded my mediawiki 1.11.0 to .1 and then to .2. After re-running the installer, however, Special:Version still shows 1.11.0. What's the reason fo rthis?
[15:34:50] <Silentrage>	Does the common.css file come pre-configured to work with amber boxes?
[15:35:26] <Zach>	labelled section transclusion?
[15:36:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Repeated "Allowed memory size exhausted" error for specific page-name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13233 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (spidermannequin)
[15:36:48] <Silentrage>	hmm?
[15:37:41] <Silentrage>	I want to have this implemented --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ambox_CSS_classes
[15:39:59] <Zach>	anybody know what labelled section transclusion means?
[15:40:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 125M memory limit exhausted when editing nearly empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13233  summary; +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[15:40:17] <RoanKattouw>	Zach: {{page#section}}
[15:40:35] <RoanKattouw>	Which would include the section of [[page]] named "section"
[15:40:45] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know if that's the exact syntax, but that's the idea
[15:43:17] <Zach>	i don't think that is the correct syntax, because it ends up transcluding the entire page
[15:43:39] <RoanKattouw>	Zach: Labeled section transclusion is an extension, it's not in MW core
[15:43:39] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31501 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/includes/ (EditPage.php SpecialEditTest.php api/ApiEditPage.php): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Committing latest work
[15:43:43] <RoanKattouw>	Or did you install it?
[15:44:01] <Zach>	oh, i didn't know that. i was trying it on enwikinews
[15:44:25] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31502 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): First version of getSemanticData() -- retrieve all data for some wikipage at once, safe DB requests
[15:46:35] <cosmodad>	I patch-upgraded my mediawiki 1.11.0 to .1 and then to .2. After re-running the installer, however, Special:Version still shows 1.11.0. What could be the reason for this?
[15:48:05] <Silentrage>	When I create the Common.css file do I just save it in the skins folder?
[15:48:58] <Zach>	Silentrage: maybe save it to the [[MediaWiki:common.css]] page?
[15:49:44] <Silentrage>	Well it's going on my personal wiki
[15:50:07] <Zach>	i wish i could do &action=render&section=# or &action=view&section=#, which would work in the same way as &action=edit&section=#
[15:50:08] <Silentrage>	so what would the directory be? Or the link?
[15:50:39] <RoanKattouw_away>	Zach: I know, it's a known bug
[15:50:39] <Zach>	http://yourwiki.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[15:51:53] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw_away: " yet the parser seems to need lots of memory..."?
[15:51:55] <Silentrage>	gotcha
[15:52:02] <AzaTht>	was that a poke on someone special? ツ
[15:52:11] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: No
[15:52:23] <RoanKattouw>	It's just strange that parsing two comments takes >125M of memory
[15:52:28] <AzaTht>	*cough* tim *cough*
[15:52:41] <RoanKattouw>	Tim == Parser
[15:52:45] <AzaTht>	hehe
[15:52:54] <AzaTht>	think it's more like ===
[15:53:03] <RoanKattouw>	If he has a memory hogging reputation, that's unknown to me
[15:53:15] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: No, Tim instanceof Developer and Parser instanceof MWClass
[15:53:20] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) action=query, list=search API not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10908  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[15:53:54] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: Developer instanceof MWClass duh
[15:53:56] <RoanKattouw>	lol Bryan is filing a bug in his own code
[15:53:59] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[15:54:14] <RoanKattouw>	But then they're not strictly equal: instances of different classes
[15:55:20] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: tried the same code on en-wiki, no problem there
[15:55:27] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzaToth/Memory
[15:55:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=query, list=search API not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10908  (10roan.kattouw)
[15:57:13] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: remembered; Would it be possible to add functionallity to grab section of latest rev?
[15:57:27] <RoanKattouw>	rvcontentsection? You asked for that once?
[15:57:33] <RoanKattouw>	File @ BZ ;)
[15:57:43] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31503 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Added replacement of underlines in displayed category names
[15:57:46] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: Just a little question on bug 13166. You changed the Component from Api to General/Unkown but why?
[15:58:08] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: The API component is about api.php
[15:58:09] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: :-P
[15:58:43] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: alright. so there is no adequate place to put a request for a hook i guess?
[15:58:46] <RoanKattouw>	And everything with component=API ends up in a list that I regularly check, so I wondered what a Title.php hook request was doing in there
[15:58:49] <RoanKattouw>	Not really
[15:59:03] <RoanKattouw>	In practice hook requests are made here rather than on BZ :P
[15:59:06] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: I'm not too found of the query parameter "redirects"
[15:59:19] <RoanKattouw>	What's wrong with it?
[15:59:22] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: well. i was pointed to the bugzilla to request for it.
[15:59:32] <RoanKattouw>	It resolves redirects in the titles= parameter and in between generators
[15:59:38] <Isnogud>	and i was pointed there from here.
[16:00:00] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: You probably requested it during a weekend or US night then
[16:00:24] <RoanKattouw>	At busier times, some people will implement hooks immediately if you ask nicely
[16:00:26] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway
[16:00:46] <RoanKattouw>	I'll commit your hook
[16:00:52] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: Thanks! 
[16:01:24] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: just don't like the name ツ
[16:01:44] <AzaTht>	"resolveredirects" might be better
[16:01:52] <RoanKattouw>	I was thinking the same
[16:01:59] <RoanKattouw>	But I'm not gonna break backwards compat there
[16:02:03] <RoanKattouw>	Blame Yuri ;)
[16:02:10] <AzaTht>	hehe
[16:02:41] <AzaTht>	at least the root not in the api is "api" and not "roan"
[16:02:54] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: I'm gonna rename your hook to TitleSecureAndSplit
[16:03:02] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: I don't get that one
[16:03:05] <Isnogud>	I am fine with that!
[16:03:18] <RoanKattouw>	Cause people may want to use it for different purposes
[16:03:24] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: in case $result->getTitle() is null, is should return an array any way right?
[16:03:33] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[16:03:35] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: the root not in query.php is: "<yurik>"
[16:03:36] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: I am really happy to have the hook there!
[16:03:47] <Bryan>	is_null($resultPageSet) == false when in generator mode?
[16:03:49] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Oh you mean the root *node* in XML
[16:03:51] <Isnogud>	i really don't care about the name! 
[16:03:58] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: YES'
[16:04:00] <AzaTht>	FFS
[16:04:06] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Yes, in that case $resultPageSet is an ApiPageSet object
[16:04:11] <AzaTht>	(with irish accent)
[16:04:42] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Lemme look at that code again
[16:04:55] <RoanKattouw>	Not if $asArray == false
[16:05:14] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: 
[16:05:18] <RoanKattouw>	Oops
[16:05:29] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: true, but that is generator mode
[16:05:31] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Who sets $asArray anyway? Maybe it should default to true
[16:05:31] <Bryan>	http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&generator=search&gsrsearch=Bird_strike&prop=info&format=jsonfm
[16:05:40] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[16:05:43] <Bryan>	$data = $results->iterateResults( 'ApiQueryLuceneSearch::formatItem', is_null($resultPageSet) );
[16:06:10] <RoanKattouw>	There you are, genny mode throws a bad title error
[16:07:13] <Bryan>	true, but that is no reason to return null in case $asArray is true
[16:07:17] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Maybe ask the TestWiki guys to add some var_dump()s to formatItem(). I'm curious what $result and $asArray will be
[16:07:29] <Bryan>	brion! ^^
[16:07:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) An article with only hiddencats show an empy category box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13234 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (Platonides)
[16:07:54] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: It's 8:07 in Tampa, Brion's not there yet
[16:08:17] <Bryan>	he's in san fransisco, so it's probably like 3:07
[16:08:20] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: as the log tables has the title field, logs could be used as an Page generator
[16:08:25] <Zach>	it's actually 11:07 in tampa
[16:08:32] <Zach>	and 8:07 in san fran
[16:08:46] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm fetching Brion's local time gives 8:07. I though Brion lived in Tampa?
[16:08:56] <flyingparchment>	he moved to SF
[16:08:59] <RoanKattouw>	Oh
[16:09:05] <Bryan>	flyingparchment!
[16:09:20] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents
[16:09:25] <AzaTht>	what's "param"?
[16:09:40] <RoanKattouw>	!mw Logging table
[16:09:40] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Logging&go=Go
[16:09:42] <Bryan>	flyingparchment: could you make that live hack in extensions/LuceneSearch/ApiQueryLuceneSearch.php?
[16:09:46] <RoanKattouw>	!mw Logging_table | AzaTht
[16:09:46] --mwbot--	AzaTht: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Logging_table&go=Go
[16:09:58] <flyingparchment>	Bryan: is it very important?  otherwise i'm busy
[16:10:04] <Bryan>	no it's not important
[16:10:30] <AzaTht>	!mama | RoanKattouw 
[16:10:30] --mwbot--	RoanKattouw: I don't know where your mommy is.
[16:10:36] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[16:11:11] <AzaTht>	blob...
[16:11:21] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway AzaTht, it contains action-specific data. For a newusers log, it'll be the user ID. For patrol, it could be the revid. For block, it's info like expiry time
[16:11:37] <AzaTht>	I see
[16:11:53] <AzaTht>	that should be defined somewere
[16:12:08] <AzaTht>	the db-text only tell: "additional parameters, usually empty. For user blocks, this contains the duration of the block, in human readable form. For page moves, this contains the location the page was moved to."
[16:12:40] <AzaTht>	perhaps the tag could be changed depending on action
[16:12:51] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: FYI, $this is a reference already, you don't need &$this
[16:13:03] <AzaTht>	i.e. for a  pagemove, it's <target title="Blah"\>
[16:13:38] <AzaTht>	for block <duration>123</duration>
[16:13:41] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Look closer: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=move
[16:13:46] <Bryan>	aha, found it, I think
[16:13:49] <Bryan>				$out[$key] = call_user_func( $callback, new LuceneResult( $line ), $userdata );
[16:13:51] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31504 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: 
[16:13:51] <CIA-43>	Removed unnecessary linkParameters() function, fixed another problem with
[16:13:51] <CIA-43>	underscores
[16:13:56] <Bryan>	API does not expect keys
[16:13:56] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: ah, you allready done that
[16:13:59] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=block
[16:14:01] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: cool. it's not my code. i just forwarded it. but i am sure i would have done the same error.
[16:14:06] <RoanKattouw>	I didn't Yuri did
[16:14:38] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Use array_values() (I believe it is)
[16:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	Yep, it is, http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.array-values.php
[16:15:24] <Bryan>	will try later
[16:15:24] <AzaTht>	Hmm, this was intresting
[16:15:25] <Bryan>	bye
[16:15:28] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=
[16:15:44] <RoanKattouw>	Extension bug
[16:15:45] <AzaTht>	blank letype
[16:17:20] <AzaTht>	ok, why does protect dump the data into the comment instead of params?
[16:17:42] <AzaTht>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=logevents&letype=protect
[16:17:54] <AzaTht>	shouldn't that be changed in the database?
[16:18:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) RenameUser log entries have blank log_type and log_action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13235 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (roan.kattouw)
[16:18:48] <_sj_>	quick poll, since I'm tweaking memory usage:
[16:19:11] <_sj_>	what do people set their memory_limit to?
[16:19:29] <_sj_>	I have 128M on one wiki, and 20M on another, with pages of similar length and complexity... 
[16:19:48] <_sj_>	editors seem to run out of memory on occasional page saves with equal frequency on both.
[16:19:58] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: I'm also going to move the wfRunHooks() call to the end of secureAndSplit()
[16:22:48] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31505 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Title.php): (bug 13166) Adding TitleSecureAndSplit hook. Modified patch by Joshua Bacher
[16:22:52] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31506 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/findhooks.php: removed some unneeded spaces
[16:23:09] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[16:23:30] <Aw0L>	once a page is moved, how do I remove the direct?  i want to use the old name if possible
[16:24:28] <_sj_>	visit the old page.  look at the subheading under the title after you're redirected.  click on the link there... you'll see the redirect page itself and you can edit it like you would any other page
[16:24:42] <Stepan>	Hi guys.. I wrote two scripts to help during updating a large number of mediawiki installations. Not sure whom to contact for this, but it might be kind of useful for others... http://www.coresystems.de/mediawiki/
[16:25:10] <RoanKattouw>	Aw0L: You mean the redirect?
[16:25:23] <RoanKattouw>	Oh never mind, your question was answered already
[16:25:32] <Aw0L>	yeah
[16:25:38] <Aw0L>	Stepan, thanks, I see now
[16:26:40] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: well. i can't see anything to argue against moving it to the end.
[16:26:52] <RoanKattouw>	It's there already
[16:26:56] <RoanKattouw>	!r 31505 | Isnogud
[16:26:56] --mwbot--	Isnogud: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31505
[16:27:02] <RoanKattouw>	Just added it
[16:27:35] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: Thank you very much. Yipih!
[16:28:05] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/TitleSecureAndSplit
[16:29:24] *brion 	yawns
[16:29:57] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31507 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBg.php MessagesHu.php MessagesKm.php MessagesPs.php): revert revision 31500. not tested enough
[16:30:44] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: Brion's here
[16:30:47] <RoanKattouw>	lol
[16:31:10] <TimStarling>	morning
[16:31:15] <WinterMute>	hi
[16:31:50] <WinterMute>	I'm trying to find out how to stop mediawiki automatically uppercasing the first letter of everything
[16:32:03] <WinterMute>	could someone point me in the right direction?
[16:32:10] <RoanKattouw>	$wgCapitalLinks or something like that
[16:32:17] <MinuteElectron>	!wg CapitalLinks
[16:32:17] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgCapitalLinks
[16:32:27] <RoanKattouw>	Yep, that's the one
[16:33:33] <CIA-43>	03yaron * r31508 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticDrilldown/specials/SD_BrowseData.php: Restored linkParameters() function - not unnecessary after all
[16:34:54] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31509 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (14 files in 5 dirs): ApiEdit_Vodafone: Merging latest revisions from trunk
[16:36:14] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: well one suggestion to the Hook. Changing $dbkey in the end of SecureAndSplit is not really very useful, is it? 
[16:36:38] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: Oh right no it isn't
[16:36:54] <Isnogud>	but it's not important we may change mDBKey for ourselfs. that is not really bad, or am i wrong?
[16:37:07] <Isnogud>	erm. MDBKeyform.
[16:37:19] <RoanKattouw>	I'm changing it right now
[16:37:28] <WinterMute>	awesome, thanks guys
[16:38:23] <Isnogud>	but....well. it's would be easier to place it not to the end. it would be better at some point before the Fields are filled.
[16:38:28] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31510 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Tweaking r31505 so changing $dbkey actually changes something.
[16:38:34] <RoanKattouw>	!r 31510 | Isnogud
[16:38:34] --mwbot--	Isnogud: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31510
[16:38:38] <Isnogud>	 /it's/it
[16:38:57] <Isnogud>	yes.
[16:39:05] <Isnogud>	That's it!
[16:39:11] <Isnogud>	Thanks RoanKattouw
[16:40:54] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31511 10/trunk/phase3/includes/EditPage.php: 
[16:40:54] <CIA-43>	APIEDIT_VODAFONE BRANCH MERGE:
[16:40:54] <CIA-43>	* Adding EditPage::wasDeletedSinceLastEdit() to replace code in EditPage::edit() to avoid duplicating it in internalAttemptSave().
[16:40:54] <CIA-43>	* Adding $wgTitle === null check to showEditForm() as some extensions (like ConfirmEdit) call it. For further explanation see comment.
[16:43:25] <verdurin>	I've been using the Auth_remoteuser extension to allow the automatic creation of users following LDAP lookup
[16:43:41] <verdurin>	However, it seems to be creating them with a blank password.  Is that deliberate?
[16:43:46] <verdurin>	If so, is there a way around it?
[16:49:33] <Silentrage>	Could not rename file "E:\xampplite\tmp\php13FC.tmp" to "public/f/fa/48px-Circle-style-warning.png".  <--- What's up with that?
[16:49:48] <Silentrage>	Do I need to enable .svg or something?
[16:49:58] <RoanKattouw>	Silentrage: You probably don't have the right chmod on your upload dir
[16:50:08] <RoanKattouw>	Which appears to be called 'public'
[16:50:13] <TimStarling>	it's not trying to chmod, it's trying to move
[16:50:24] <TimStarling>	and it's not called public, that's a placeholder
[16:50:26] <Aw0L>	can I give a specific user access only to certain pages?
[16:50:31] <TimStarling>	for $wgUploadDirectory
[16:50:43] <popoffka>	hello. i'm having a trouble. i want to change the logo but i can't find the "$wgLogo" in file "LocalSettings.php". Why? (Sorry for y bad English)
[16:51:10] <TimStarling>	add it
[16:51:23] <popoffka>	i can't
[16:51:37] <popoffka>	when i added it my Wiki don't load
[16:51:50] <RoanKattouw>	!access | Aw0L
[16:51:50] --mwbot--	Aw0L: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[16:52:00] <ialex>	popoffka: what did you added ?
[16:52:07] <popoffka>	can you give me an example, please?
[16:52:09] <TimStarling>	popoffka: well use proper PHP syntax
[16:52:19] <Aw0L>	RoanKattouw, thanks!
[16:52:23] <popoffka>	$wgLogo = "adress_of_picture"
[16:52:24] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: I said "not the right chmod", not "the right *to* chmod" 
[16:52:38] <ialex>	popoffka: don't forget the ; at the end
[16:52:53] <popoffka>	omg. i forgot it!
[16:52:56] <popoffka>	thanks
[16:53:11] <Silentrage>	Ok
[16:53:46] <TimStarling>	well, chmod is short for change mode
[16:53:54] <TimStarling>	I have generally thought of it as a verb
[16:54:07] <TimStarling>	presumably it has the wrong mode, not the wrong chmod
[16:54:15] <RoanKattouw>	I know, but I use it to mean "mode" as well
[16:54:26] <RoanKattouw>	Many people do (I know it's incorrect)
[16:54:50] <TimStarling>	if you say so
[16:55:35] <Silentrage>	This is weird
[16:55:42] <popoffka>	Hurrah! It works! THANKS!
[16:57:31] <Silentrage>	I was uploading files just fine from that directory before
[17:03:57] <TimStarling>	Silentrage: maybe you're using safe mode
[17:05:00] <TimStarling>	if the script is owned by you, but the images/f/fa directory is created by the webserver, then the script can't put anything in the directory
[17:05:06] <TimStarling>	because the UID doesn't match
[17:05:44] <TimStarling>	back shortly
[17:06:31] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31512 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesBg.php: Localisation updates for core and Special:Magic messages from Betawiki submitted by Borislav
[17:06:47] <Silentrage>	Ok resolved. I am running the webserver as a different user and I had to give that user access like you said earlier. Domain policies did not apply to this local user account :/
[17:07:18] <Silentrage>	Thanks bub
[17:10:04] <Silentrage>	TimStarling: Oh I didn't see when you left
[17:10:13] <Silentrage>	[12:08] <Silentrage> Ok resolved. I am running the webserver as a different user and I had to give that user access like you said earlier. Domain policies did not apply to this local user account :/
[17:10:13] <Silentrage>	[12:09] <Silentrage> Thanks bub
[17:13:44] <TimStarling>	good
[17:14:03] <TimStarling>	you know, the PHP devs say they're going to remove safe_mode
[17:14:10] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah I know
[17:14:12] <RoanKattouw>	PHP 6
[17:14:16] <TimStarling>	although it's still a bit controversial
[17:17:03] <Silentrage>	oh
[17:19:20] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: &$this is redundant, right?
[17:19:27] <RoanKattouw>	'Cause $this is already a reference
[17:20:59] <TimStarling>	I don't know about that
[17:21:13] <TimStarling>	in fact, I don't think there's actually a reference type in PHP
[17:21:23] <TimStarling>	oddly enough
[17:22:04] <TimStarling>	they're just zval**
[17:23:16] <TimStarling>	so say if you do this:
[17:23:18] <TimStarling>	$a = 1;
[17:23:24] <TimStarling>	$b =& $a;
[17:23:49] <TimStarling>	now $a and $b are both pointers to the same zval
[17:23:58] <TimStarling>	and the zval has a refcount of 2
[17:24:05] <TimStarling>	there's no telling which one is the "real" one
[17:25:16] <TimStarling>	so if you have array($this) versus array(&$this)
[17:25:38] <TimStarling>	the first one makes a new zval, the second one doesn't
[17:26:10] <TimStarling>	but even in the first case, the two zvals contain the same object handle
[17:27:11] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31513 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Updated export code, most datavalues adopted to new code
[17:40:44] <g0001>	hey all !
[17:41:09] <[NL]Thoth>	hey g0001
[17:41:16] <[NL]Thoth>	hw r u?
[17:41:52] <g0001>	Well, great actually. Anyone some time to spare for some wiki questions?!
[17:41:58] <g0001>	;)
[17:42:07] <[NL]Thoth>	some... :-)
[17:42:21] <g0001>	Well, then I will just shoot...
[17:42:35] *[NL]Thoth 	hides
[17:42:40] <[NL]Thoth>	0_o
[17:42:45] <[NL]Thoth>	don't shoot!
[17:43:09] <g0001>	:D   1. Is there any existing solution for reposting emails to a wiki automatic...?!
[17:43:26] <g0001>	I am thinking about full text email article groups....
[17:43:34] <g0001>	...
[17:43:42] <[NL]Thoth>	hmm good question :o
[17:43:54] <g0001>	and the second brainbug afflicting my good sleep as of lately....
[17:43:58] <[NL]Thoth>	I.. I dont know :o
[17:44:07] <[NL]Thoth>	wb b1shop
[17:44:09] <g0001>	:)
[17:44:41] <g0001>	2. Is there an end user application for synching a wiki via the frontend...
[17:45:10] <g0001>	eg 2 wikis in different languages with the same articles where you want to keep the links section synched...
[17:45:41] <[NL]Thoth>	I believe bots do that stuff :o
[17:45:55] <g0001>	;)
[17:46:42] <[NL]Thoth>	http://www.funambol.com/opensource/
[17:46:43] <[NL]Thoth>	?
[17:47:04] <g0001>	...
[17:47:31] <[NL]Thoth>	nvm ;$
[17:47:45] *[NL]Thoth 	feels dumb...
[17:47:51] <[NL]Thoth>	:-P
[17:47:54] <g0001>	cool
[17:48:06] <g0001>	some things to toy around with...
[17:48:15] <g0001>	;)
[17:48:27] <[NL]Thoth>	for sure :o
[17:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Correct linking in Special:Log/ rights for crosswiki changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13236 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (dungodung)
[17:49:43] <TimStarling>	in java if you want to call by reference, do you just wrap the primitive up in an object?
[17:50:22] <TimStarling>	I suppose with no templates it would be kind of tedious to return arbitrary pairs
[17:50:54] <g0001>	ok... I have to play around with my new toy... you know the feeling :P
[17:51:04] <g0001>	bye and that you...
[17:51:17] <g0001>	see u the next time around
[17:51:21] <[NL]Thoth>	:|
[17:51:21] <g0001>	thx
[17:51:22] <[NL]Thoth>	welcome? :-P
[17:51:22] <g0001>	haha
[17:51:23] <g0001>	bye
[17:51:28] <[NL]Thoth>	bye
[17:51:33] <brion>	TimStarling: yeah they have like the Integer class for that kind of stuff
[17:51:53] <TimStarling>	yeah, I know about those classes, just wondering about style I guess
[17:51:54] <brion>	not sure if thsoe are mutable or not tho
[17:52:09] <TimStarling>	ah, and gotchas like that I suppose
[17:52:25] <brion>	i've seen single-element arrays used for outvals sometimes :)
[17:52:32] <TimStarling>	so there's a C function which looks like this:
[17:52:39] <TimStarling>	static GstClockReturn
[17:52:43] <TimStarling>	gst_base_sink_wait_clock (GstBaseSink * basesink, GstClockTime time,     GstClockTimeDiff * jitter) 
[17:53:31] <TimStarling>	now our friends at fluendo thought it proper to just drop all jitter calculation when they ported it to Java
[17:53:45] <brion>	i think the most java-esque thing would be to invent a class which includes both return values :)
[17:53:49] <TimStarling>	so the equivalent function only has one parameter plus "this"
[17:54:05] <TimStarling>	ok
[17:54:20] <TimStarling>	I have to add jitter calculation because it causes lots of bugs not to have it
[17:55:01] <brion>	yay
[17:56:09] <TimStarling>	I guess the pair class can be a... what do you call it...
[17:56:49] <TimStarling>	an inner class?
[17:57:44] <TimStarling>	hmmm, actually it will need to be passed between two objects
[17:57:56] <TimStarling>	definitely more java-like to have a 10-line file just for this pair
[18:06:35] <TimStarling>	curiously, this function returns Clock.EARLY if it's late
[18:06:44] <TimStarling>	not the best form of self-documentation
[18:07:05] *TimStarling 	renames
[18:08:54] <CIA-43>	03catrope * r31514 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): API: Adding action=edit module
[18:09:02] <RoanKattouw_away>	!r 31514 | AzaTht
[18:09:02] --mwbot--	AzaTht: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=31514
[18:09:15] <AzaTht>	ah
[18:09:35] <AzaTht>	ready for test wiki (en:wiki)
[18:09:37] <AzaTht>	?
[18:10:55] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw_away: dong?
[18:11:16] <RoanKattouw_away>	Yes
[18:11:25] <RoanKattouw_away>	Note that WMF wikis have $wgEnableWriteAPI = false;
[18:11:33] <RoanKattouw_away>	Which disables this module
[18:12:05] <AzaTht>	so, who are we gonna poke?
[18:13:36] <MinuteElectron>	couldn't you ask for it to be enabled on testwiki?
[18:14:08] <RoanKattouw_away>	Sounds like a plan
[18:18:10] <AzaTht>	MinuteElectron: en-wiki IS test-wiki ツ
[18:19:33] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  +comment (10darien.hager)
[18:20:04] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31515 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiEditPage.php: setting svn:eol-style native on ApiEditPage.php
[18:21:48] <MinuteElectron>	AzaTht: :|
[18:23:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10roan.kattouw)
[18:24:41] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31516 10/trunk/phase3/opensearch_desc.php5: on that file too
[18:25:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Edit: Watch pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11604  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:47:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RenameUser log entries have blank log_type and log_action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13235  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[18:48:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10darien.hager)
[18:49:59] <CIA-43>	03raymond * r31517 10/trunk/extensions/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Localisation updates German
[18:52:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10darien.hager)
[18:55:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RenameUser log entries have blank log_type and log_action - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13235  (10mrzmanwiki)
[18:59:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RenameUser log entries have blank log_type and log_action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13235  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[19:19:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10roan.kattouw)
[19:24:25] <TimStarling>	IIR filters rock
[19:24:35] <TimStarling>	I may never use a rolling average again
[19:25:03] *TimStarling 	is playing with http://www.dsptutor.freeuk.com/IIRFilterDesign/IIRFilterDesign.html and http://www.dsptutor.freeuk.com/IIRFilterDesign/IIRFilterDesign.html
[19:25:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) robots.txt changes for cs.wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13237 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Li-sung)
[19:25:20] <TimStarling>	and http://www.dsptutor.freeuk.com/FIRFilterDesign/FIRFilterDesign.html which is actually not the same as the first two
[19:27:07] <TimStarling>	you can get the equivalent of a moving average over 100 samples, with an IIR filter with length 2 or 3
[19:27:36] <yuss>	Hey guys, do you know how to get only unique results when asking for recent changes with the API?
[19:28:20] <jimbojw>	i notice that often $wgCache is used to store/retrieve values - such as for User::loadFromId() - i'm curious why MediaWiki hasn't implemented a "local cache"  - basically a hashmap to prevent roundtrips to memcache when wgCache is of type CACHE_MEMCACHED?
[19:28:34] <jimbojw>	maybe multiple reads from memcache is infrequent enough for it not to matter?
[19:29:46] <cm2234>	Hello!
[19:29:59] <jimbojw>	that is, the default cache type for a vanilla mediawiki install is CACHE_NONE for wgCache - i'm wondering why the default type isn't CACHE_HASHMAP (which doesn't exist yet) which would at least prevent the same calculations from being run in the same page load
[19:30:14] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) RenameUser log entries have blank log_type and log_action - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13235  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[19:30:31] <cm2234>	How do you make the front page for a wikimedia page?
[19:31:01] <jimbojw>	i'm guessing that having a hashmap intermediary just doesn't perform enough of a performance gain to be useful
[19:31:22] <ST47>	By front page, do you mean the 'portal' at http://www.wikipedia.org, or the main page at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?
[19:31:42] <jimbojw>	and/or, since mediawiki is primarly developed for wikipedia, and since wikipedia's servers utilize memcache, there's a limited audience who would benefit from such an optimization
[19:32:10] <yuss>	anyone know about the recent changes in the API?
[19:32:10] <cm2234>	the ladder
[19:32:11] <mattis^>	moin TimStarling, jimbojw :)
[19:32:17] <jimbojw>	hello mattis^ 
[19:32:18] <cm2234>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:32:41] <ST47>	cm2234: I'm not sure I understand the question
[19:32:59] <ST47>	You want to know how to create the content for it? 
[19:33:00] <cm2234>	I'm developing a wiki for a university, i'd like to make a page that looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:33:05] <ST47>	Ah
[19:33:13] <cm2234>	Thanks, sorry about the  confusion ST47
[19:33:36] <ST47>	There are all sorts of templates that en.wikipedia.org uses, and to get it right you'd have to copy all of them over
[19:34:03] <ST47>	to get a list, click view source on the top of the page, and scroll down to the bottom
[19:34:15] <cm2234>	oh i see
[19:34:17] <ST47>	But it's really intricate.
[19:34:23] <cm2234>	ok
[19:34:25] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31518 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ (11 files): setting property svn:keywords Id to api files that don't have it, for use in getVersion()
[19:34:32] <TimStarling>	jimbojw: the semantics of such a cache in the general case are fairly complicated
[19:34:33] <cm2234>	I'll check it out, thanks for your help!
[19:34:46] <TimStarling>	we have a number of special cases that do the same thing
[19:35:29] <jimbojw>	TimStarling: thanks - you don't think it would work to just take the CACHE_NOTHING implementation and back it with an array() ?
[19:35:44] <TimStarling>	I think it would do pretty much nothing
[19:36:04] <TimStarling>	but fun to try
[19:36:17] <jimbojw>	haha - yeah
[19:36:25] <TimStarling>	there are already process caches for anything that's used a lot during the same process
[19:36:42] <jimbojw>	i've been writing write-through hash implementations lately - where the array() is checked prior to heading out to memcache
[19:36:57] <TimStarling>	multiple queries to memcached for the same object are pretty rare, let alone a set of the object followed by multiple gets in the same request
[19:36:58] <mattis^>	jimbojw  I've been pretty busy with the "wiki-net" recently, a layout for wikilandia-wide interwiki communication (which we all want, I know). Check http://s4560.gridserver.com/cgi-bin/wiki2/KaboWikiList/WikiNetHiveLists ctr + "+" for full screen. Would be cool if it'd work with mediawiki.
[19:36:58] <jimbojw>	right - a process cache
[19:37:24] <TimStarling>	the first thing you have to understand about caching is that there are two sides to every caching operation
[19:37:30] <jimbojw>	mattis^: fyi, i am not jimmy wales (in case you thought i was)
[19:37:35] <TimStarling>	insertion and invalidation
[19:38:13] <mattis^>	disadvantages of non-real-names ;)
[19:38:13] <TimStarling>	if you forget about invalidation, the users will hate you and everyone will stop using the software
[19:38:26] <TimStarling>	any bug in invalidation will end up in the bug tracker, reported over and over, complained about, voted on
[19:38:33] <mattis^>	I thought you are, yes
[19:39:20] <jimbojw>	mattis^: happens all the time - but mine is a long standing nick which I've had since about a decade prior to wp launch
[19:39:29] <TimStarling>	so even if you just have a process cache, you have to ask yourself what will happen when the value changes externally, and whether the results are good or bad
[19:39:42] <TimStarling>	you also have to worry about limiting memory usage
[19:39:42] <mattis^>	usual  excuse ;)
[19:40:10] <jimbojw>	TimStarling: right
[19:40:14] <TimStarling>	process caches often forget to implement an LRU memory limiting system, and the result is memory exhaustion in long-running operations
[19:40:45] <brick_ijigg>	does the MW API support getting article contents?? it seems obvious but i haven't foudn the option.
[19:42:59] <cm2234>	Hey guys, is wikipedia's main page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, are all these updated everday manually by people?
[19:43:16] <brick_ijigg>	"all these"?
[19:43:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232   +need-review +patch (10brion)
[19:43:26] <cm2234>	the protals
[19:43:28] <TimStarling>	ah, here's the catch with IIR: rounding error
[19:43:29] <cm2234>	portals
[19:43:46] <TimStarling>	if you try to stretch them too far, the rounding error will get you
[19:44:10] <cm2234>	Anyone know?
[19:44:11] <TimStarling>	still, with a double-precision number, that should be pretty damn far
[19:44:38] <TimStarling>	cm2234: go to #wikipedia
[19:45:14] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Category box shouldn't be shown when empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13152  +comment (10brion)
[19:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) An article with only hiddencats show an empy category box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13234  +comment (10brion)
[19:45:22] <jimbojw>	TimStarling: are WMF's memcache instances syncronized?  that is, when you $wgCache->set(), does it set them all?
[19:45:43] <TimStarling>	no
[19:45:50] <jimbojw>	ok
[19:45:53] <jimbojw>	tyvm
[19:45:56] <TimStarling>	why are you asking me this?
[19:46:01] <jimbojw>	curious?
[19:46:22] <jimbojw>	ours are not - just checking if WMF had a similar setup
[19:46:27] <TimStarling>	I'll explain it if you intend to do something useful with the information, but I'm busy with other stuff
[19:46:40] <TimStarling>	if you're just curious, you can always read the code
[19:47:52] <jimbojw>	i apologize for wasting your time :)
[19:51:49] <brion>	jimbojw: the purpose of having multiple memcache servers is to increase the amount of memory available in cache
[19:51:59] <brion>	as such, it would defeat the purpose to set the same data on all of them
[19:52:09] <Grondin>	hi brion 
[19:52:13] <TimStarling>	curious, gstreamer does actually appear to be using an IIR filter for their statistics, which is what motivated this IIR research in the first place
[19:52:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  +comment (10darien.hager)
[19:52:27] <Grondin>	I'm a question about bot status, brion 
[19:52:30] <TimStarling>	but they don't appear to realise it, they think they're just hacking something up
[19:52:34] <jimbojw>	brion: ah I see - that's an excellent point
[19:53:01] <Wiredtape>	anyone know if there's a way to use update.php (maintenance) with specifying a specific db? (useful, when using a shared source on different db's and different localsettings being included based on subdomain)
[19:53:18] <TimStarling>	#define DO_RUNNING_AVG(avg,val,size) (((val) + ((size)-1) * (avg)) / (size))
[19:53:44] <Grondin>	Is it possible to create a special status between simple user and  sysop where the bot can only edit protected pas, as in Wikinews projects
[19:54:35] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31519 10/trunk/phase3/ (docs/hooks.txt includes/Title.php): 
[19:54:35] <CIA-43>	Revert r31505, r31510 (secureAndSplit hook).
[19:54:35] <CIA-43>	This hook doesn't seem well thought out; a hook isn't given clean access to the various possible fields it's likely to want to manipulate, and generally feels a bit rushed.
[19:54:36] <Grondin>	brion, in wikinews projects, we protect page after they're finished  and bot can't add interwiki link after thtat
[19:55:05] <Grondin>	Contributors are reticent to give sysop status to a bot
[19:55:19] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  +comment (10brion)
[19:55:20] <jimbojw>	i'm currently working on cutting down on some expensive operations by sending data to memcache - but since there are multiple memcache instances, i have to use a process cache as well - started musing about the utility of implementing a process cache layer around whatever other caching is used in MW
[19:55:33] <Grondin>	I've think that an intermediary status can solve the problem
[19:55:35] <brion>	Grondin: not at the moment. i believe somebody's working on doing that the 'right' way; some cleanup is necessary of permissions code
[19:55:43] <jimbojw>	was curious why such a thing didn't exist yet, and whether it would be useful outside my current use-case
[19:56:03] <Grondin>	I understand you brion
[19:57:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10brion)
[19:57:36] <Grondin>	brion-lunch, can I write your answer in french Wikinews ?
[19:57:48] <Grondin>	oops, May I ?
[19:58:35] <jaypro_>	question.... my company is thinking about switching to software that uses the oracle database.  is it possible to set up mediawiki to access the same database?
[19:59:22] <jaypro_>	the software would come from component control
[19:59:23] <jaypro_>	http://www.componentcontrol.com/
[20:01:10] <jaypro_>	i figure since media wiki already has limited support for oracle, i was wondering if it's possible
[20:02:02] <brick_ijigg>	limited support = somewhat possible
[20:02:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <nowiki> inside a <pre> is not rendered on page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13238 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (rasamassen)
[20:02:58] <TimStarling>	but the gstreamer one is nonlinear
[20:03:39] <jaypro_>	are there plans for mediawiki to have full support of oracle?
[20:04:06] <TimStarling>	no, not if you match the brackets properly :)
[20:06:09] <jaypro_>	sorry TimStarling, were you speaking to me?  i dont know what you mean by "the brackets" or gstreamer being nonlinear
[20:08:06] <CIA-43>	03misza13 * r31520 10/trunk/extensions/SocialProfile/ (SocialProfile.php YUI/YUI.php): Added $wgExtensionCredits to extension.
[20:08:10] <TimStarling>	no I'm not talking to you
[20:09:10] <TimStarling>	it's an IIR filter with a[0] = 1, a[1] = 0, b[0] = 8, b[1] = 7
[20:09:17] <Bryan>	is there a builtin php function to remove all null values from an array
[20:09:23] <Bryan>	?
[20:09:48] <TimStarling>	no
[20:10:27] <Ludacris1990>	hi
[20:12:33] <Ludacris1990>	this may sound noobish, but I have a problem
[20:13:07] <TimStarling>	sorry b[1] = -7 not 7
[20:13:08] <Ludacris1990>	we have set up a wiki and everytime we go to a site that has a "ü" "ä" or "ö" in its url, we get a 500 error - how can we fix that?
[20:14:47] <Ludacris1990>	can anyone help me?
[20:15:39] <Wiredtape>	Ludacris1990, i'm not sure i understand your problem
[20:15:46] <Wiredtape>	you set up a wiki.. and it works?
[20:19:44] <Ludacris1990>	yes, it completly works, but as I am from Austria, I have choosen german as language
[20:20:21] <Wiredtape>	ok.. so now, what's the problem.
[20:20:44] <Ludacris1990>	there you have the letters "ö", "ä" and "ü", and if I go to a special page like the about page, which is called "Über" in german, I get an 500 Internal Server Error
[20:20:57] <Ludacris1990>	so I wanted to know if this is caused by the wiki or if it is a server side problem
[20:21:55] <gringochapin>	Hi all. I'm having a bit of a problem with the if function. The code is a little long, so I pasted it here:
[20:21:57] <gringochapin>	http://rafb.net/p/hzsb0k13.txt
[20:22:19] <gringochapin>	Any chance someone wouldn't mind taking a look and leting me know if there's something obvious I'm missing?
[20:22:25] <Ludacris1990>	of course
[20:22:34] <Wiredtape>	i would guess this is a server side problem, probably something to do with unicode.. (those characters should be converted to things like %A3%2D and so on)
[20:22:56] <gringochapin>	Thanks.
[20:23:21] <Ludacris1990>	hmmm
[20:24:13] <Ludacris1990>	btw, if you need the link: http://193.171.251.78/moodle/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite
[20:24:27] <Ludacris1990>	and "http://193.171.251.78/moodle/wiki/index.php/DelasalleWiki:%C3%9Cber_DelasalleWiki"
[20:24:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  (10bacher)
[20:24:51] <Wiredtape>	ok.. you see how it was translated to %C3%9C 
[20:25:03] <Wiredtape>	that should work.. so i don't know what the problem is.
[20:25:06] <Ludacris1990>	ah
[20:25:30] <Ludacris1990>	yeah, now I noticed...
[20:25:51] <gringochapin>	For those who are looking, let me know if my description of what is going on is not clear.
[20:27:36] <SysRq868>	How can I add numbering to a sortable table?
[20:29:22] <brick_ijigg>	gringochapin, it might help if you reduce the problem to its minimal case...
[20:29:47] <Isnogud>	brion: Is there anything that we could do to speed up having a functionality of manipulating the Title $dbkey as mentioned in bug 13166?
[20:29:58] <gringochapin>	I will try, but I think the issue might be caused by the length of the line... but I'm not sure.
[20:37:47] <CIA-43>	03btongminh * r31521 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/ (ApiQueryLuceneSearch.php LuceneSearch_body.php): Api: Return a numeric array, catch broken titles.
[20:38:22] <quentin>	how can I fix the wiki's language? don't want a user to switch the language
[20:38:31] <Bryan>	hmm not sure whether that fixes lucene...
[20:41:41] <Bryan>	I wished it Lucene would work on Windows...
[20:42:03] <Bryan>	...or that the Wikimedia backend servers were public :P
[20:44:27] <Bryan>	could LuceneSearch be svn upped on testwiki so that I can test it?
[20:53:54] <brion>	Bryan: what do you need to test on it?
[20:54:25] <Bryan>	brion: access to the backend servers or a svn up on testwiki
[20:54:32] <Bryan>	preferably the first :P
[20:54:58] <Bryan>	but I guess the second can do as well ;)
[20:55:42] <brion>	moment
[20:56:59] <brion>	Bryan: try it now
[20:59:21] <Bryan>	brion: I think lucene is not working as it should on testwiki
[20:59:42] <Bryan>	From the search page: There was a problem with the wiki search. This is probably temporary; try again in a few moments, or you can search the wiki through an external search service:
[21:00:05] <Bryan>	and the api: <error code="srlucene-backend" info="There was a problem with Lucene backend">
[21:00:36] <brion>	sec
[21:02:42] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: vet hard api edit! ;)
[21:02:53] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: Ja eindelijk :P
[21:03:26] <Bryan>	tijd om mijn client dan maar eens aan te passen :)
[21:03:50] <siebrand>	RoanKattouw: MediaWiki Air UI ;)
[21:03:55] <RoanKattouw>	Ben 8 maanden geleden met het APIEdit project begonnen
[21:04:13] <Bryan>	Geweldig werk allemaal :)
[21:04:22] <RoanKattouw>	"Allemaal" :P
[21:04:24] <[NL]Thoth>	Nederlands? Wat krijgen we nou :o
[21:04:42] <RoanKattouw>	Ja uitbarstinkje van Nederlandsheid
[21:04:46] <siebrand>	dit kan hrlr mooie dingen opleveren... Ben benieuwd wat voor 'n interfaces mensen gaan bedenken.
[21:04:49] <RoanKattouw>	Ik wil ook wel Fries praten hoor ;)
[21:05:05] *siebrand 	grinnikt.
[21:05:24] <RoanKattouw>	siebrand: AzaTht met z'n Twinkle zat hier erg lang op te wachten, hij zat me ook constant te pushen van 'wanneer komt APIEdit er nou ns een keer'
[21:05:26] <Bryan>	siebrand: ja zoals dat vreselijke screenscraping van pywikipedia de deur uit schoppen ;)
[21:05:27] <Nikerabbit>	wot
[21:05:40] <siebrand>	Bryan: da's pas het begin.
[21:05:56] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: ugga ;)
[21:05:56] <RoanKattouw>	pywikipedia = history , of iig de huidige implementatie
[21:06:03] <RoanKattouw>	Moet helemaal herschreven worden :O
[21:06:04] <brion>	ah you crazy dutchmen and your crazy language
[21:06:31] <brion>	ii kaan neet uundeerstaand u!
[21:06:42] <Bryan>	:P
[21:06:45] <brion>	:D
[21:06:49] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah well brion we Dutchmen set up an SVN server in Amsterdam so you can revert stuff ;)
[21:07:07] *siebrand 	cackles.
[21:07:08] <brion>	that's what branches are for, RoanKattouw :)
[21:07:12] <[NL]Thoth>	RoanKattouw, fries? prima :-)
[21:07:22] <RoanKattouw>	Exactly
[21:07:53] <RoanKattouw>	I must say I really loved committing to the APIEdit branch (when it still existed), there's a 0% chance of getting reverted xD
[21:07:55] <marchelly>	re
[21:08:22] <brion>	   Internal error in SearchEngine: testwiki is not searched by this host.
[21:08:24] <brion>	hrm
[21:08:32] <RoanKattouw>	What the hell
[21:08:44] <Isnogud>	apopos reverting .... 
[21:09:00] *RoanKattouw 	feels guily for suggesting that Bryan test his Lucene module at TestWiki
[21:09:05] <brion>	ugh, it's on one and not the other
[21:09:10] <brion>	i'm not sure if it's supposed to be like that
[21:09:10] <brion>	sec
[21:09:35] <Isnogud>	brion: you don't like the new hook added from RoanKattouw today?
[21:09:55] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: Are you subscribed to the wikitech-l list?
[21:10:09] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: nope. should i go and subscribe there?
[21:10:09] <RoanKattouw>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-March/036804.html
[21:10:10] <brion>	see my notes on wikitech
[21:10:11] <Bryan>	brion: well I could probably work with some test data as well... if you paste me the contents :8123/enwiki/testing?limit=25 on the s1 search server
[21:10:30] <Bryan>	then you don't have  to make search working on a place where noone uses it anyway :)
[21:10:39] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: Maybe. Either way, you can read the post at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2008-March/036804.html
[21:11:09] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm Bryan, Brion: How about enabling the Lucene API module on some obscure wikipedia?
[21:11:12] <siebrand>	brion: extension\SocialProfile currently requires editing includes\AjaxFunctions.php. What would be a proper way to add stuff there without having to edit core code?
[21:11:21] <brion>	Bryan: http://rafb.net/p/apDZlx20.html (from test wiki)
[21:11:35] <brion>	RoanKattouw: do i have to enable it separately? it should be on on test right now
[21:11:46] <iubito>	hello
[21:11:56] <Bryan>	brion: dank je wel :D
[21:12:03] <brion>	siebrand: why edit the file at all? you can add all the ajax callbacks you like at runtime
[21:12:16] <iubito>	is it possible to load and parse a page where I'm in MySkin.php
[21:12:17] <RoanKattouw>	brion: No, you just have to svn up. What I suggested is that you svn up at like Kazach Wikipedia as well
[21:12:20] <RoanKattouw>	And test it there
[21:12:25] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: Sure
[21:12:33] <Isnogud>	RoanKattouw: that's absolutely super. so if i know where the problem is, we can maybe apply a better patch, or discuss it at the mailing list.
[21:12:42] <iubito>	I want to load the content of an article representing a menu with nested list and then apply some js and css
[21:12:45] <siebrand>	brion: me n00b. Looking for someone to help, haven't been able to find someone knowledgeable enough to fix it... Anyone you can point me to?
[21:12:48] <iubito>	RoanKattouw> how?
[21:13:12] <RoanKattouw>	Isnogud: The point is that we want more stuff to be passed (namespace, interwiki prefix, etc.) rather than just the DB key and we're discussing whether to use one big hook or a bunch of small ones
[21:13:19] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: Lemme search a second
[21:13:25] <iubito>	ok thanks
[21:13:56] <brion>	hm, test is hardcoded to point to another server
[21:13:57] <brion>	wtf
[21:14:01] <Isnogud>	ok....i get the point. the hook needs more brain work then.
[21:14:17] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: Do you know how to fetch an article's wikitext already?
[21:14:42] <iubito>	Article::loadContent
[21:14:46] <iubito>	or something like that
[21:14:58] <iubito>	fetchContent
[21:15:03] <RoanKattouw>	getContent
[21:15:09] <brion>	i guess it's a test version of the server? and it seems to be broken
[21:15:34] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, once you got that, you can do global $wgParser; $html = $wgParser->recursiveTagParse($wikitext);
[21:16:08] <brion>	there, lucene should be happy on test for now
[21:16:51] <iubito>	RoanKattouw> ok thanks, I'll try this
[21:17:02] <Bryan>	yeah lucene is, but me not :(
[21:17:10] <RoanKattouw>	Alright Bryan this is weird
[21:17:18] <Bryan>	http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=testing
[21:17:25] <RoanKattouw>	At test, the search array is entirely empty rather than just a bunch of NULLs
[21:17:29] <Bryan>	apparently all getTitle's return null ?
[21:17:30] <RoanKattouw>	But offset is set
[21:17:31] <brion>	siebrand: which what?
[21:17:43] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: yes, that is on purpose
[21:18:03] <Bryan>	it could be that the search returns broken titles... those are in that case ignored and not outputed
[21:18:11] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan, Brion: Compare http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=testing&format=jsonfm with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=testing&format=jsonfm
[21:18:21] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: OK, but 10 of them in a row?
[21:18:35] <Bryan>	I'd rather think it is all of them
[21:19:00] <siebrand>	brion: heh :) They require including_once SocialProfile/UserBoard/UserBoard_AjaxFunctions.php in there for example. That contains "$wgAjaxExportList [] = 'wfSendBoardMessage';"
[21:19:12] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: yes, I committed a fix that removes all broken links only 40 minutes ago
[21:19:21] <mschiff_>	are there instructions somewhere howto upgrade from 11.1 to 11.2?
[21:19:30] <siebrand>	brion: would it suffice to include that somewhere else and register the AJAX functions in the core file of the extension?
[21:19:42] <RoanKattouw>	!upgrade | mschiff_
[21:19:42] --mwbot--	mschiff_: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[21:20:03] <brion>	siebrand: you'd register in your extension's setup function, presumably
[21:20:18] *siebrand 	nods at brion.
[21:20:33] <siebrand>	brion: OK, then I think I get it. I'll fiddle a bit with it. Thanks.
[21:21:25] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Bug @ http://test.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_page&action=edit
[21:21:29] <mschiff_>	RoanKattouw: thanks I thought there might be some specific notes for this little step.. e.g. like "you do not need to touch the database" or something
[21:21:39] <RoanKattouw>	mschiff_: That is true
[21:21:54] <RoanKattouw>	You don't need to touch the DB as it's just a security update
[21:22:05] <RoanKattouw>	Extracting the PHP files will suffice
[21:23:13] <mschiff_>	RoanKattouw: ok thx
[21:24:19] <brion>	RoanKattouw: put it in bugzilla and i'll look at it later
[21:24:25] <quentin>	how can I fix the wiki's language? don't want a user to switch the language
[21:24:39] <RoanKattouw>	quentin: Why wouldn't you want that?
[21:24:48] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: hey, do not combine my nick and some strange language ツ
[21:24:58] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: Hi
[21:24:58] <brion>	Bryan: i think the problem is the 'ApiQueryLuceneSearch::formatItem' callback
[21:25:03] <brion>	that doesn't work in php 5.1
[21:25:03] <RoanKattouw>	Nothing bad about you
[21:25:15] <brion>	try array( 'ApiQueryLuceneSearch', 'formatItem' )
[21:25:17] <quentin>	RoanKattouw, because I do have multiple language wiki's with a central user management
[21:25:24] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[21:25:33] <quentin>	Please tell me how I can force this setting
[21:25:35] <RoanKattouw>	Well you can't stop people from changing their lang of preference
[21:25:59] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: I'm actually surprised you find it that strange, you should be able to make out at least something
[21:27:28] <RoanKattouw>	brion, Bryan: "Class methods may also be invoked statically using this function by passing array($classname, $methodname) to this parameter." --> you were right
[21:27:31] <CIA-43>	03btongminh * r31522 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/ApiQueryLuceneSearch.php: PHP 5.1 compatibility
[21:27:48] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: hey, the less time you are on IRC, the more compact is the poking on you :-P
[21:28:00] <RoanKattouw>	I know
[21:28:24] <brion>	Bryan: http://test.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=foo&format=jsonfm <- better? :)
[21:28:25] <RoanKattouw>	I plan to be on IRC more often from now on
[21:28:36] <RoanKattouw>	WHOOHOO!
[21:28:41] <RoanKattouw>	3/3 must be a blessed date xD
[21:28:56] <CIA-43>	03btongminh * r31523 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/GlobalUsage.php: PHP 5.1 compatibility
[21:28:59] <Bryan>	happy!!!!!!!
[21:29:03] <RoanKattouw>	ApiEdit and Lucene API, two highly requested features, finished at the same day
[21:29:05] <brion>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_3
[21:29:12] <brion>	1845 - Florida is admitted as the 27th U.S. state.
[21:29:14] <Bryan>	thank you for the help brion :)
[21:29:15] <brion>	no, that's a cursed day!
[21:30:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) action=query, list=search API not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10908  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:30:07] <brion>	(naw, florida's not that bad)
[21:30:10] <RoanKattouw>	1991 - United Airlines Flight 585 crashes on approach into Colorado Springs, Colorado, killing 25.
[21:30:18] <brion>	(except in the summer. i don't know how i survived a summer in florida)
[21:31:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) action=query, list=search API not working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10908  (10roan.kattouw)
[21:31:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Configuration directive ($wgDBmwschema) under the PostgreSQL backend is only used while installing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12936  +comment (10sven)
[21:31:33] <Bryan>	did I not click FIXED ?
[21:31:48] <Bryan>	weirdness
[21:33:15] <AzaTht>	RoanKattouw: couldn't ucuserprefix handle multiple?
[21:33:23] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: No
[21:33:33] <RoanKattouw>	We don't wanna burn up Tampa's DB servers just yet
[21:33:34] <AzaTht>	any reason?
[21:33:37] <AzaTht>	hehe
[21:33:41] <brion>	poor tampa
[21:34:00] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: can I use the 'ls' prefix or is it used/planned for something?
[21:34:18] <RoanKattouw>	What d'you wanna use it for?
[21:34:20] <AzaTht>	isn't there a prefix index?
[21:34:31] <RoanKattouw>	AzaTht: LIKE 'Something%' queries are indexed
[21:34:39] <RoanKattouw>	Dunno if OR is treated nicely though
[21:34:45] <RoanKattouw>	domas!
[21:34:48] <RoanKattouw>	:P
[21:35:11] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Is it okay to do something like rev_user_text LIKE 'abc%' OR rev_user_text LIKE 'def%' OR ... etc.
[21:35:52] *brion 	watches domas kill RoanKattouw :)
[21:35:55] <Bryan>	oh meh, already implemented
[21:36:13] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: What were your plans?
[21:37:09] *brion 	wonders how to make firefox use the same key combo for tab switching as all other mac os x 10.5 apps
[21:37:28] *RoanKattouw 	wonders why the hell brion is on a Mac while Linux clearly rules
[21:37:43] <Bryan>	linksearch :) but on looking into my client code it already exists as exturlblabla
[21:37:44] <brion>	it makes me feel warm and fuzzy
[21:37:55] <RoanKattouw>	exturlusage yeah
[21:37:55] <brion>	also, when i used to run linux on this machine i had hella problems with the video driver
[21:38:09] <brion>	besides i can run all the linux i want in a vm in parallels :)
[21:39:12] <brion>	ok, the long page issue is because #ifexpr is being used in the customized message
[21:39:18] <brion>	it's trying to do integer comparisons
[21:39:25] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: You can add pretty much any prefix you want, it's not like I keep a list of reserved ones. Just make sure there are no conflicts and that you don't add top-level prefixes (e.g. action=delete doesn't get a prefix)
[21:39:25] <brion>	but the $1 param is formatted, not a raw number
[21:39:49] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Oh sorry I was supposed to file that, forgotten
[21:40:00] <brion>	a couple possible suggestions:
[21:40:00] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw: everybody knows you are the Keeper of the API :P
[21:40:22] <brion>	1) is there a handy way for expression funcs to de-format numbers? (eww :)
[21:40:34] <RoanKattouw>	Bryan: That's true, I am, but other people get to commit to it as well ;)
[21:40:41] <brion>	2) we could switch the parameter to a clean number and let the messages be fixed to use formatnum
[21:40:52] <brion>	3) we could add a $2 param which is unformatted, for compat
[21:41:01] <RoanKattouw>	Maybe provide $1 as an unformatted parameter and formatnum it in the message itself?
[21:41:17] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm 3) is probably best for backwards compat
[21:41:22] <RoanKattouw>	Man I hate that word xD
[21:41:49] <brion>	:D
[21:42:19] <RoanKattouw>	Especially with the API, the whole world will hunt you down when you change a parameter name or something like that
[21:42:45] <RoanKattouw>	So right now action=query has a redirects parameter that should really be called resolveredirects, but I can't rename it because backwards f*cking compatibility
[21:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) update. php does not properly fix search_path for PostgreSQL database user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13239 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (sven)
[21:43:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384  (10sven)
[21:43:25] <iubito>	RoanKattouw> seems that $wgParser doesn't have good objects...
[21:43:31] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: ?
[21:43:44] <iubito>	I get this error : atal error: Call to a member function getUseTeX() on a non-object in ...includes/Parser.php on line 578
[21:44:01] <iubito>	I pastebin my code to show you what I did
[21:44:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) update. php does not properly fix search_path for PostgreSQL database user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13239  (10sven)
[21:45:04] <iubito>	http://pastebin.com/d6ab9e78e
[21:45:09] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: What's your MW version?
[21:45:15] <iubito>	1.11.2
[21:45:30] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[21:45:39] <RoanKattouw>	Can you check what's on includes/Parser.php line 578 ?
[21:45:49] <emily_>	I'm trying to install mediawiki on Gentoo, but i'm getting the "PHP's XML module is missing;" error. I've re-emerged php with the xml use flag, but it still isn't working.  Can someone lend a hand please :-]
[21:46:01] <iubito>	if( $this->mOptions->getUseTeX() ) {
[21:46:16] <brion>	emily_: at a minimum, make sure you restarted the web server
[21:46:19] <iubito>	the error says that mOptions is not an object
[21:47:13] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: Try $wgParser->parse($text, $title, array());
[21:47:18] <quentin>	well, in general, how can I disable the usersettings? Don't want a user to change neither the skin nor the language
[21:47:19] <RoanKattouw>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classParser.html#456d3a5b73ac24b4e18ea25d29164bdf for more info
[21:47:23] <TimStarling>	ah yeah, good idea
[21:47:40] <TimStarling>	it's complaining about it not being an object so you give it an empty array
[21:47:45] <TimStarling>	that'll fix it
[21:47:47] <Betacommand>	question if I wanted to get a list of all populated categories for which no page exists (red link) what SQL querry should i use?
[21:48:02] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: According to the docs, that var is an array
[21:48:09] <RoanKattouw>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classParser.html#456d3a5b73ac24b4e18ea25d29164bdf
[21:48:16] <RoanKattouw>	Betacommand: You should use the API ;)
[21:48:17] <emily_>	brion: *blush* boy I feel dumb..that fixed it. Didn't realize that the web server had to be restarted after re-emerging php. THANKS! :-)
[21:48:24] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait no you shouldn't :P
[21:48:55] <RoanKattouw>	Betacommand: Lemme think
[21:49:10] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: I have access to the toolserver SQL commands are much better :)
[21:49:18] <iubito>	RoanKattouw> still the same... :/
[21:49:18] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classParser.html#3f5e788e2f349d3beb1a6b1f4a1903a7
[21:49:55] <TimStarling>	if you're going to use rubbish out of date documents which are simply the source code with the non-comment bits stripped out, you may as well look at the right function
[21:50:45] <RoanKattouw>	Betacommand: Try SELECT whatever FROM categorylinks LEFT JOIN page ON cl_to=page_title AND page_namespace=14 WHERE page_title IS NULL;
[21:50:55] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Right, didn't look closely enough
[21:51:15] <RoanKattouw>	Perhaps you'd better answer this guy's question, you're the Parser Guy after all ;)
[21:52:14] <TimStarling>	incredible, it does actually say it's an array
[21:52:29] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31524 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update fr messages from BETAWIKI
[21:52:30] <TimStarling>	it's never been an array
[21:52:46] <RoanKattouw>	Should it be new ParserOptions() instead?
[21:53:20] <TimStarling>	no, it should be new ParserOptions
[21:53:24] <TimStarling>	this isn't C++
[21:53:31] <RoanKattouw>	Oh right
[21:53:58] <TimStarling>	added by Hashar in r7340
[21:54:07] <TimStarling>	and nobody has noticed until now
[21:54:10] <RoanKattouw>	So what's the code the guy should use to parse his stuff
[21:54:12] <RoanKattouw>	?
[21:54:16] <RoanKattouw>	7340 ?!?
[21:54:18] <RoanKattouw>	!r 7340
[21:54:18] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=7340
[21:54:29] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: many thanks to you
[21:55:51] <brion>	If we're gonna kick some ass in google summer of code this year, we're going to need some volunteers to help mentor students... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code#Mentors_needed
[21:55:57] <mschiff>	RoanKattouw: I just saw that I am still running 11.0.. is it still true for 11.0 -> 11.2 that just upgrading the files is sufficient?
[21:56:11] <RoanKattouw>	mschiff: Yes
[21:56:23] <RoanKattouw>	We hardly ever do DB schema changes in security updates
[21:56:29] <iubito>	here is my code using parse() method, but still not works : http://pastebin.com/d25eaa89e
[21:57:19] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Can you (or someone else?) write up a little story explaining what SoC is about (for those who don't know, like me), and more importantly *when* it's gonna be?
[21:57:37] <RoanKattouw>	'Cause I can go and volunteer, but if I just happen to be in Spain around that time it's kinda worthless
[21:57:49] <TimStarling>	yay
[21:57:56] <mschiff>	RoanKattouw: I thanks I think I will switch to svn ti make future upgrades easier.. in the diff -ur I  my11.0 -> 11.2 I just saw that I had applied a postgres fix that is not in the release..
[21:58:00] <RoanKattouw>	iubito: Try new ParserOptions instead of array()->getText()
[21:58:08] *TimStarling 	is watching that silly german podcast in cortado, working perfectly
[21:58:08] <mschiff>	is there any chance that it will be in 11.3?
[21:58:26] <RoanKattouw>	mschiff: No, but it'll probably be in 1.12.0 which should be released soon
[21:58:27] <TimStarling>	took bloody long enough
[21:58:36] *RoanKattouw 	pokes brion to release 1.12 sooner
[21:59:13] <RoanKattouw>	mschiff: Anything that doesn't end in .0 is a security update so silly stuff like PostGres ain't going in there
[21:59:15] <iubito>	RoanKattouw> oh yaissse, it works \o/
[21:59:22] <iubito>	thanks very much :)
[21:59:22] <RoanKattouw>	Unless it's postgres that's causing the security issue xD
[21:59:28] <mschiff>	RoanKattouw: you know which fix I am talking about? (adds new Blob class...)
[21:59:33] <mschiff>	RoanKattouw: ok thanks
[21:59:55] <brion>	RoanKattouw: i'll expand the page... or others can help :D
[21:59:57] <RoanKattouw>	mschiff: I have absolutely no idea. But if it's in trunk and has been for the last say 10 days, it's probably gonna be in 1.12
[22:00:02] <iubito>	will the documentation of the parse() method be updated ? ;)
[22:00:03] <brion>	here's the base link -- http://code.google.com/soc/2008
[22:00:55] <mick_home>	hi everyone
[22:01:15] <mick_home>	just wanted to know if mediawiki is doing the whole google SoC thing
[22:01:30] <RoanKattouw>	mick_home: We were just talking about SoC
[22:01:30] <brion>	http://leuksman.com/log/2008/03/03/google-summer-of-code-comin-up/
[22:01:39] <mick_home>	cool
[22:01:42] *mick_home 	looks
[22:02:09] <TimStarling>	I haven't implemented QoS events yet, so it can't deal with video sink starvation, which was actually what was happening
[22:02:12] <mick_home>	i'd like to see a *good* WYSIWYG plugin personally
[22:02:20] <RoanKattouw>	brion, mick_home : Do candidates submit proposals for what they're gonna do, or do we?
[22:02:34] <mick_home>	the mentors submit
[22:02:37] <RoanKattouw>	mick_home: That sounds larger than SoC-scale
[22:02:38] <brion>	RoanKattouw: candidates submit their proposals (at the proper time), at which point we rate and select among them
[22:02:43] <TimStarling>	but it can deal with video sink flooding, which is what would theoretically happen if your graphics card was very slow
[22:02:46] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[22:02:59] <mick_home>	they say "here is what needs to be done, and they list some"
[22:02:59] <RoanKattouw>	So we don't get to say "Hey, we need this and this done, somebody go do it?"
[22:03:07] <mick_home>	pretty much
[22:03:18] <mick_home>	but you need to include "we are____ and we do____"
[22:05:13] <RoanKattouw>	Going to bed now
[22:05:16] <RoanKattouw>	Bye folks
[22:12:07] <Django>	Hello !
[22:12:17] <brion>	TimStarling: i'm putting you as backup administrator on our summer of code app, btw
[22:12:20] <Django>	Where kan i found layout/themes for this wiki ?
[22:13:24] <Juniper>	I'm looking for some help regarding "info boxes" ... anyone know how?
[22:13:44] <BrokenArrow>	brion: woo, paperwork? how's the hiring going, btw?
[22:14:05] <TimStarling>	good, another t-shirt
[22:14:07] <brion>	got some on the line, we'll see :)
[22:14:09] <TimStarling>	I need some more of those
[22:14:15] <brion>	i don't think i ever got my gsoc t-shirts
[22:14:32] <BrokenArrow>	keep us posted, we'll want to know who to pester
[22:14:34] <TimStarling>	I got mine in January, I think, my parents had it
[22:16:08] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: you can allways sell the tshirt on ebay...
[22:17:55] <Juniper>	Anyone? I'm working for my school's library wiki. I was brought in b/c I know about wed & graphic design, and I am trying to learn the Wiki format. 
[22:18:05] <Juniper>	Any tutorials or anything online? 
[22:18:25] <Juniper>	How to do info boxes (I think this is the right name)
[22:19:00] <AzaTht>	Juniper: the basic information can be found att www.mediawiki.org
[22:19:16] <CIA-43>	03btongminh * r31525 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiFormatXml.php): (bug 11401) Added xmldoublequote to xml formatter
[22:19:17] <Juniper>	Yeah... I've looked there... no dice. 
[22:19:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Provide double-encoded variables if requested - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11401  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:19:42] <AzaTht>	you can also look at meta.wikimedia.org
[22:20:04] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31526 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (18 files in 8 dirs): 
[22:20:04] <CIA-43>	updates for autocomplete search
[22:20:04] <CIA-43>	lots of updates to scrape and insert maintenance scripts
[22:20:30] <Juniper>	I did a search...
[22:20:33] <Juniper>	hmm...
[22:20:57] <AzaTht>	for infoboxes, it's probably smart to inspect work on en.wikipedia.org
[22:21:42] <Juniper>	I looked at wikipedia articles... I tried copy/pasting the code 
[22:21:50] <Juniper>	Just to see how it works.
[22:22:04] <AzaTht>	most of them requires ParserFunctions
[22:22:22] <Juniper>	What are those?
[22:22:27] <AzaTht>	an extension
[22:22:27] <TimStarling>	now, there was some other bug with cortado HEAD that meant we couldn't deploy it, right?
[22:22:48] <Juniper>	Aaah, can it be found at Wikimedia?
[22:23:13] <AzaTht>	Juniper: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[22:23:28] <Juniper>	Since this is a University project, I don't have power to install extensions and the like, I would have to gather the data and present it to the people who do.
[22:23:53] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) utf8 issue with list=recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12620  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[22:24:06] <AzaTht>	Juniper: ParserFunctions is a kind of an semi-standard extension
[22:24:23] <AzaTht>	mostly everything uses it
[22:24:30] <Juniper>	Wow, this is really complicated :/ 
[22:24:31] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: was that directed to me?
[22:24:42] <Juniper>	I'm like way over my head, haha
[22:24:55] <AzaTht>	Juniper: hehe
[22:25:16] <Juniper>	I'll brb
[22:25:30] <AzaTht>	Juniper: templates and infoboxes doesn't need to use ParserFunctions, just that probably all templates on en-wiki uses them
[22:25:59] <TimStarling>	AzaTht: no, not unless you know what bug there was with cortado that was stopping it from being deployed
[22:26:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add entries to robots.txt to block VFD/RFAR/RFC on cs: - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13240 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (mormegil)
[22:26:42] <AzaTht>	TimStarling: no problem, it was just that I added an bug for cortado a day ago
[22:27:24] <AzaTht>	a request for a poke to add speex to cortado
[22:28:06] <TimStarling>	yeah, a bug that you didn't name properly, didn't put in the right component, and marked as a bug instead of a feature
[22:28:14] <TimStarling>	I noticed
[22:30:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) robots.txt changes for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13237  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[22:30:40] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Add entries to robots.txt to block VFD/RFAR/RFC on cs: - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13240  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[22:30:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) robots.txt changes for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13237   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[22:33:00] <AzaTht>	uh, I marked it as a bug?
[22:33:22] <TimStarling>	feature requests have severity=enhancement
[22:33:56] <AzaTht>	though I had it marked as enhancement
[22:34:18] <TimStarling>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_activity.cgi?id=13206
[22:35:04] <AzaTht>	I wasn't sure first if it should be a bug ot an enhancement, as at the moment when trying to play an speex file, it will nullpointer
[22:35:12] <quentin>	please, HOW can I override user settings. Is there something in the config or do I have to hack the code (where are the user settings being loaded? I would reload the global settings just after that)
[22:35:38] <quentin>	I really do not want the skin and language to be changed (espacially with my multilingual wikifarm)
[22:37:02] <TimStarling>	you mean segfault?
[22:37:26] <TimStarling>	oh, you mean java, that gives you a NullPointerException when it's angry doesn't it?
[22:38:02] <TimStarling>	it would have been nice if you had mentioned that
[22:38:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13206  (10tstarling)
[22:39:34] <TimStarling>	brion, do you know what the problem with cortado was that was stopping us from deploying the version from trunk?
[22:39:52] <TimStarling>	something filed in the fluendo bug tracker perhaps?
[22:41:47] <Juniper>	Hmm, doing work while doing laundry is not such a great idea
[22:41:59] <cosmodad>	I patch-upgraded my mediawiki 1.11.0 to .1 and then to .2. After re-running the installer, however, Special:Version still shows 1.11.0. What could be the reason for this?
[22:42:09] <brion>	TimStarling: some sorts of issues where it would die sometimes
[22:42:11] <Juniper>	I'm gonna head out for now and come back later and pester everyone about my questions :) 
[22:42:12] <brion>	i don't recall exactly
[22:42:41] <brion>	sometimes controls would become unresponsive or it would stick in playback
[22:42:42] <AzaTht>	how "active" is fluendo?
[22:42:51] <brion>	AzaTht: pretty dead except for us
[22:43:14] <TimStarling>	they're redirecting bug reports to us now, that's how I found out about this java 6 thing
[22:43:48] <brion>	heh
[22:43:52] <TimStarling>	anyway, there's plenty of bug reports in their tracker
[22:44:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) robots.txt changes for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13237  (10Li-sung)
[22:44:40] <TimStarling>	"Some people at the theora mailinglist pointed me to the wikimedia fork of Cortado"
[22:44:58] <TimStarling>	so not fluendo themselves, I guess they've gone silent
[22:46:23] <AzaTht>	rename it to Wortado
[22:47:10] <AzaTht>	are you having your own repo for cortado then?
[22:47:49] <TimStarling>	we have a copy under OggHandler
[22:48:16] <AzaTht>	ok
[23:04:17] *Splarka 	gets his totally client-side live mirror working, 9 lines of JS
[23:07:30] <TimStarling>	most of the bug reports in the fluendo tracker seem to be QoS-related, some of them I would have just fixed
[23:07:31] <Samus_Aran>	can someone remind me of the special URL for editing the sidebar, I can't seem to find it on Google ?
[23:08:43] <Samus_Aran>	found it, MediaWiki:Sidebar
[23:08:49] <Samus_Aran>	go figure
[23:16:59] <Samus_Aran>	thanks anyway
[23:28:29] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) enwiki-latest-logging.sql is not up to date. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13030  +comment (10brion)
[23:33:52] <CIA-43>	03tstarling * r31527 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/ (17 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[23:33:52] <CIA-43>	* Fixed bug 13071: breakage of high frame rate videos on Java 6 on Linux. The
[23:33:52] <CIA-43>	problem was that SourceDataLine.getFramePosition() was blocking until the
[23:33:52] <CIA-43>	concurrent audio write completed, thus slowing down the video to about 10 fps.
[23:33:52] <CIA-43>	Fixed by making audio writes non-blocking.
[23:33:55] <CIA-43>	* Implemented the max-lateness property as it is in GStreamer. Set max-lateness
[23:33:57] <CIA-43>	to 20ms for video sinks. This will help the video to stay in sync with the
[23:35:01] <CIA-43>	03skizzerz * r31528 10/trunk/extensions/EditSubpages/ (. EditSubpages.i18n.php EditSubpages.php): Added extension
[23:35:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) playing some theora videos doesn't work with cortado and java 1 .6 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13071  +comment (10tstarling)
[23:36:20] <Tompika>	hi!
[23:36:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Speex support in Cortado and OggHandler - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13206  (10tstarling)
[23:36:34] <Tompika>	I has just installed mediawiki
[23:37:30] <Tompika>	and accidentally i got to the mediawiki.org login screen, where i tried my password some times :)
[23:37:47] <Tompika>	i saw there a very nice looking captcha module
[23:37:59] <Tompika>	could someone tell me it's name?
[23:39:30] <mdale>	tstarling: good luck with that upstream ticket for Cortado ;)
[23:45:02] <flyingparchment>	Tompika: FancyCaptcha
[23:46:34] <Tompika>	flyingparchment: thank you very much
[23:49:25] <CIA-43>	03skizzerz * r31529 10/trunk/extensions/EditSubpages/EditSubpages.php: fixing usage of array_unique to not reference the array (causes a warning on some PHP builds)
[23:56:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) utf8 issue with list=recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12620  (10brion)