[00:07:01] <TimStarling>	it's nice to have the GStreamer source to guide Cortado design
[00:07:18] <TimStarling>	if I have a design question, I just have to ask myself: What Would GStreamer Do?
[00:19:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Render the redirected category link with different color - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13241 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (stanley)
[00:35:42] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31530 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
[00:35:42] <CIA-43>	template clean up
[00:35:42] <CIA-43>	fix empty date range searches
[00:48:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	Anybody have a clue as to the release date of MediaWiki 1.12? I see it was branched into REL_1_12, but there hasn't been a release in weeks. What's the status of that release? WikiMedia sites are now using 1.13...
[00:50:35] <brion>	Voyagerfan5761: any day now :)
[00:50:45] <brion>	mainly waiting on the security releases i did yesterday
[00:50:50] <brion>	i just have to do a little more cleanup and testing
[00:51:06] <Voyagerfan5761>	brion: Cool, thanks :)
[00:51:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	It was bugging me for a while now; glad to get an answer.
[01:10:15] <AtharHameed>	Hi everyone
[01:11:47] <AtharHameed>	I have implemented short urls on my server using the aliasing method. When I go to http://mywiki/, I get redirected to http://mywiki/Main_Page. I want Main Page to load without the url changing to http://mywiki/Main_Page. Any ideas?
[01:14:28] <Splarka>	AtharHameed: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory
[01:14:36] <Splarka>	"Any scheme which does this is not supported by the MediaWiki developers. So if your scheme doesn't work with a new MediaWiki version, you're on your own."
[01:14:56] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232  (10skizzerz)
[01:15:00] <AtharHameed>	Splarka: thanks
[01:15:26] <Splarka>	AtharHameed: can you access favicon.ico or robots.txt ?
[01:16:10] <Skizzerz>	er, 1 rev off from current trunk, meh
[01:16:26] <Skizzerz>	current as of phase3 though, so that's fine
[01:17:28] <AtharHameed>	Splarka: I haven't checked, but I can't go to the login/accountcreate page. When I click on it, I stay on Main Page
[01:18:28] <AtharHameed>	Can't get robots.txt or favicon.ico as well 
[01:18:40] <Splarka>	yah, that's the problem with a null article path
[01:18:50] <AtharHameed>	hmm 
[01:19:01] <AtharHameed>	but some sites are using null article paths just fine
[01:19:01] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Page_title_--_Working_method_with_mediawiki-1.11  <-- here are some examples of rewrite exceptions made in .htaccess
[01:19:06] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31531 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/metavid2mvWiki.inc.php: maintenance updates
[01:19:08] <AtharHameed>	http://www.aboutus.org for example
[01:19:27] <Splarka>	"just fine" is relative, if they can make it look easy then they've succeeded ^_^
[01:19:48] <AtharHameed>	:)
[01:19:50] <Splarka>	every path that isn't a potential page name has to be excepted, like robots/favicon, the script, the styles, the api, etc
[01:20:27] <AtharHameed>	ok 
[01:35:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[01:41:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Setting a temporary usergroup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10493  (10meno25wiki)
[01:44:59] <Danny_B>	hmm, i've got totally different responses in wide spectrum of variations, so i'm a bit confused. i'd need to know, if every skin (meant bundled in default mediawiki) has its own MediaWiki:Skinname.css and Special:Mypage/Skinname.css and if they are used always or sometimes or none
[01:49:16] <Skizzerz>	Danny_B: every skin has its own MediaWiki:Skinname.css and Special:Mypage/skinname.css (note the lowercase s in the mypage one). They are always used if they exist, unless $wgSiteCss or $wgAllowUserCss are false
[01:51:47] <Skizzerz>	er, $wgUseSiteCss :)
[01:51:54] <Danny_B>	yep ;-)
[01:52:21] <Danny_B>	great. i had responses mostly in way "only monobook has its own, other don't"
[01:54:05] <Isnogud>	Hey. Just a short Question: Did you ever had the need in the MW api to check whether a Hook is used or not. If you'd decide for checking it, would you rather do it manually exists($wgHooks[bloodyhook]) or would you think that adding a function to Hook.php is the right way to do that?
[01:58:13] <Skizzerz>	I believe things like CologneBlue and such use MediaWiki:Standard.css or somesuch, not quite sure though. experiment :)
[01:59:01] <Skizzerz>	Isnogud: if( array_key_exists( $wgHooks['somehook'] ) == true ) { ... }
[02:00:02] <Skizzerz>	you could also look at Special:Version to see what hooks are currently being used, but that's not exactly helpful from a programming standpoint
[02:00:02] <Isnogud>	Skizzerz: would you use such a check directly in say the Title.php?
[02:00:19] <Isnogud>	Skizzerz: looks to me like a very unclean way of doing it.
[02:00:21] <Splarka>	Danny_B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes
[02:00:37] <Isnogud>	a more general approach maybe looks more nice.
[02:00:39] <Splarka>	the ones that are monobook based are more complete, but they all have something (note that page is very out of date, but still applicable)
[02:00:55] <Skizzerz>	array_key_exists would be the most efficient way of doing it I think
[02:01:02] <Isnogud>	well. 
[02:01:15] <Isnogud>	Skizzerz: in case that wgHooks is a array, yes.
[02:01:19] <Skizzerz>	and putting it in Title.php should work fine, since LocalSettings.php is put in before it
[02:01:27] <Skizzerz>	s/put in/compiled
[02:02:29] <Isnogud>	Skizzerz: wfRunHooks is really very paranoid on checking if wgHooks is nice.
[02:02:39] <Isnogud>	 /is/looks/
[02:04:05] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31532 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[02:04:05] <CIA-43>	Some experimental support for including upload data in XML export, as specced. Usable with --uploads option on dumpBackups.php
[02:04:05] <CIA-43>	Some issues:
[02:04:05] <CIA-43>	* doesn't respond to the current v full-history modes
[02:04:05] <CIA-43>	* won't pick up file entries with no corresponding page
[02:04:09] <CIA-43>	* on default config, you may end up with 'localhost' in URLs :P
[02:04:11] <CIA-43>	* synchronization and mutability problems
[02:06:14] <TimStarling>	cortado has this annoying little bug that I wanted to fix
[02:06:49] <TimStarling>	if you pause a video, it doesn't repaint the still frame, if you cover all or part of it
[02:07:18] <TimStarling>	pretty simple, I thought, just have the paint() method of the window tell the video sink to repaint its last buffer
[02:08:43] <TimStarling>	but adding a function to the video sink would be a terrible break in the model because it's a plugin and you're not allowed to cast it to a named class
[02:09:26] <TimStarling>	it has events for such generic communication with sinks, so I thought fine, add an event type
[02:09:58] <TimStarling>	but apparently the stream lock needs to be acquired to stop the threads from stepping on each other, which they're quite likely to do in this case otherwise
[02:10:32] <TimStarling>	and the stream lock is a protected member variable of the pad
[02:10:53] <TimStarling>	and the pad is an anonymous class created in a member initialiser in the sink superclass
[02:11:45] <TimStarling>	the pad passes events down to the sink, but it doesn't provide any method to acquire the stream lock
[02:11:57] <TimStarling>	so it's a lot of bloody trouble to make the window repaint properly
[02:12:05] <Skizzerz>	Isnogud: sorry, had to take care of something on another channel. When would wgHooks not be an array?
[02:12:31] <TimStarling>	before DefaultSettings.php
[02:13:14] <Skizzerz>	... ok, got me there :P
[02:20:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add class to <body> to differ registered/anonymous users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13242 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (danny_b)
[02:20:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) CSS (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12788  (10danny_b)
[02:22:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add class to <body> to differ registered/anonymous users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13242  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[02:28:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Hook: TitleMoveComplete, Wrong Page ID present - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13204  (10darien.hager)
[02:37:05] <Isnogud>	Skizzerz: well. it should always be an array. but looking at wfRunHooks i can see that it is really carefully checked.
[02:37:29] <Skizzerz>	ok... I really don't see the issue though
[02:39:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  +comment (10bacher)
[02:46:00] <cygnuz>	I need mediawinki for windws
[02:46:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  (10bacher)
[02:47:33] <Silentrage>	Ganja loves all of you
[02:47:48] <_sj_>	I'm trying to make text on a wiki page that is effectively <pre>
[02:47:54] <_sj_>	but doesn't urlescape material inside the pre tags
[02:48:09] <_sj_>	(mw seems to turn quotes and other chars into their escaped chars when you turn on 'pre')
[02:48:13] <_sj_>	is there a way?
[02:48:19] <_sj_>	cygnuz, no problem
[02:48:43] <cygnuz>	I'm brazillian, one moment please
[02:50:13] <cygnuz>	_sj_
[02:54:08] <cygnuz>	_sj_ I do not know to say friend to it
[03:06:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add class to <body> to differ registered/anonymous users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13242  (10danny_b)
[03:11:00] <Splarka>	http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7945/motivator9165514vu0.jpg
[03:11:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add class to <body> to differ registered/anonymous users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13242  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[03:14:34] <Wiredtape>	hey splarka, long time no see
[03:14:48] <Splarka>	what, since yesterday?
[03:15:06] <Skizzerz>	Wiredtape: hai
[03:15:14] <Wiredtape>	did i see you yesterday? :)
[03:15:19] <Wiredtape>	Skizzerz, hey
[03:15:36] <Splarka>	_sj_: <pre>& < > | " '</pre>      for me produces     <pre>&amp; &lt; &gt; | " '</pre>
[03:15:49] <Wiredtape>	Skizzerz, did a lot of work on socialprofile yesterday, almost working completely now :)
[03:15:57] <Skizzerz>	yay
[03:16:07] <Wiredtape>	most of the work has already been commited
[03:16:09] <Skizzerz>	then we hold off the commit and sell it to Wikia for profit :D
[03:16:11] <Skizzerz>	aww :(
[03:16:20] <Wiredtape>	;-)
[03:16:48] <Wiredtape>	i thought it was working for wikia, no?
[03:17:14] <Skizzerz>	my definition of "works" and Wikia's definition of "works" are entirely different
[03:17:40] <Skizzerz>	My definition: relatively bug-free and stable. Fix bugs as they come along
[03:18:28] <Skizzerz>	Wikia's: Yeah, doesn't alpha mean the top of everything, so it's like the best? Oh, and what bug are you talking about? I don't see it... *runs away*
[03:18:41] <Wiredtape>	Skizzerz, i see :) lol
[03:18:54] <Skizzerz>	Splarka may agree with me on that ;)
[03:19:16] <Wiredtape>	yeah, i heard splarka and wikia have parted ways :?
[03:19:30] <Skizzerz>	a while ago
[03:19:31] <Skizzerz>	IIRC
[03:19:38] <Skizzerz>	November was it? not sure
[03:19:57] <Wiredtape>	i'll brb
[03:20:10] <Splarka>	meh
[03:22:21] <CIA-43>	03simetrical * r31533 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Skin.php): All skins should have the "mediawiki" class on the body element
[03:25:11] <Wiredtape>	eh, i gotta go for now.. c u guys later
[03:54:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add class to <body> to differ registered/anonymous users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13242  (10danny_b)
[03:55:45] <IceGuest_7_>	having trouble with mediawiki
[03:56:02] <IceGuest_7_>	recieving an error 119o4
[03:56:05] <IceGuest_7_>	1194 in mysql
[03:56:10] <IceGuest_7_>	hello?
[03:56:26] <OverlordQ>	Use more cowbell
[03:56:46] <IceGuest_7_>	how
[03:57:24] <IceGuest_7_>	!help
[03:57:24] --mwbot--	Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >
[03:59:33] <IceGuest_7_>	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:59:33] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
[03:59:44] <IceGuest_7_>	Forget it
[04:00:09] <IceGuest_7_>	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:00:09] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
[04:00:09] <Skizzerz>	IceGuest_7: try asking in #mysql
[04:00:14] <Skizzerz>	...
[04:14:17] <Warpath>	O_O
[04:15:18] <IceGuest_7_>	I am having a problem with mediawiki, getting an error 1194 on searchindex table.
[04:16:40] <OverlordQ>	1194 is a mysql problem, not related to mediawiki
[04:17:40] <IceGuest_7_>	what are the default values for the table?
[04:18:05] <IceGuest_7_>	never mind I am uninstalling now
[04:48:48] <flyingparchment>	he's uninstalling mediawiki because of what's probably a crashed myisam table?  funny
[04:58:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Persistent" login expires many times within a single session - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1396  (10linux)
[05:16:23] <AtharHameed>	I don't want the homepage of my wiki to redirect to http://mywiki/wiki/Main_Page. How can I fix this behaviour?
[05:17:16] <MZMcBride>	AtharHameed: Edit [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]].
[05:17:41] <AtharHameed>	Hmm
[05:17:52] <AtharHameed>	Lemme check 
[05:18:36] <AtharHameed>	what do I edit it to?
[05:18:48] <AtharHameed>	should i remove the text Main Page?
[05:18:49] <Splarka>	MZM: he means the root with no title
[05:19:09] <Splarka>	AtharHameed: you've gone ahead and used /wiki/ articlepath I see
[05:19:18] <Splarka>	do you mean http://mywiki/wiki/ or http://mywiki/ you don't want to go to your main page?
[05:19:23] *MZMcBride 	stares.
[05:20:15] <Splarka>	you always want MediaWiki:Mainpage to point to a valid page, if it doesn't it can break things like title-free redirects and post-action returns, as well as logo links
[05:21:25] <AtharHameed>	Splarka: Yes, I gave up 
[05:21:37] <AtharHameed>	I want it to stay at http://mywiki 
[05:22:12] <AtharHameed>	oh ok 
[05:22:16] <Splarka>	k, I don't know how to do that, but I did know what you wanted, so someone can help you now maybe ^_^
[05:22:21] <AtharHameed>	if it break things, it's best if I leave it alone 
[05:23:53] *Splarka 	notices modern skin has no IE CSS/JS fixes
[05:31:38] <AtharHameed>	ok so I have written an extension for allowing users to upload files in a safe locker. I cooked up my own solution for uploading files but I have a feeling that it's not the right thing to do. Am I right? I mean if I use mediawiki's upload thingy, then the files will be visible to all users no?
[05:34:57] <MZMcBride>	Yes, they'll be visible to everyone if you use MediaWiki.
[05:42:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'External link' to WDScott history is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13243 04CRIT; highest; MediaWiki: Redirects; (hughaj)
[05:42:47] <MZMcBride>	Hahaha.
[05:43:18] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) 'External link' to WDScott history is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13243  (10overlordq)
[05:43:50] <MZMcBride>	But it was critical!
[05:43:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 'External link' to WDScott history is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13243  (10overlordq)
[05:43:59] <MZMcBride>	Of the highest priority!
[05:44:54] <OverlordQ>	atleast it wasn't blocker, then we really might be in trouble
[05:45:05] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[06:33:05] <AaronSchulz>	flyingparchment, simetrical: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/john-mccain-ent.html
[06:33:14] <AaronSchulz>	'At a town hall meeting Friday in Texas, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., declared that "there’s strong evidence" that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that was once in many childhood vaccines, is responsible for the increased diagnoses of autism in the U.S. -- a position in stark contrast with the view of the medical establishment.'
[06:33:35] <AaronSchulz>	wow, another dipshit
[06:34:42] <MZMcBride>	A cranky, ill-informed, white, male, Republican running for president? Never...
[06:35:13] <Splarka>	it has the word 'mercury' in it, it must be bad
[06:35:20] <Splarka>	just like CFLs
[06:35:45] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Catalogue_of_CSS_classes#Stylesheets_and_JavaScript
[06:35:59] <Splarka>	just finished updating this (after like being 2 years out of date), anyone see any errors?
[06:36:10] <Splarka>	(specifically that table at the top)
[07:03:53] <mboman>	How can I ask Google (and other search engines) *not* to index the Special:* pages?
[07:04:03] <mboman>	or at least not Special:Random
[07:11:36] <Splarka>	have it disallowed in robots.txt ?
[07:11:53] <Splarka>	User-agent: *
[07:12:00] <Splarka>	Disallow: /wiki/Special:Random
[07:12:00] <Splarka>	Disallow: /wiki/Special%3ARandom
[07:12:21] <Splarka>	see for example http://www.mediawiki.org/robots.txt
[07:22:19] <AaronSchulz>	mboman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Robots.txt
[07:22:31] <AaronSchulz>	'Disallow: /index.php?title=Special:'
[07:22:40] <mboman>	Splarka, AaronSchulz: thanks
[07:22:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Correct linking in Special:Log/rights for crosswiki changes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13236  +comment (10huji.huji)
[07:23:17] <AaronSchulz>	'Disallow: /w/' might be better
[07:23:26] <AaronSchulz>	well, it explains it all there
[07:23:49] <MZMcBride>	13236 is a duplicate.
[07:25:02] <MZMcBride>	... of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9794
[07:26:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Links unclickable in rtl wikis when using simple skin under Firefox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13229  +comment (10huji.huji)
[07:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RTL/bidirectional issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745  (10huji.huji)
[07:27:26] <Voyagerfan5761>	Just brainstorming here: Is it possible for MediaWiki to use a system such as Amazon S3 to store uploads?
[07:29:05] <McCormack>	Siebrand: are you available?
[07:29:36] <McCormack>	Werdna: are you available?
[07:30:15] <CIA-43>	03aaron * r31534 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: Make bottom 0 again
[07:34:59] <siebrand>	McCormack: just for a very short while ~10 mins.
[07:35:05] <subhan>	how to change logo page by page
[07:35:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[07:36:03] <subhan>	different logos in different pages
[07:36:07] <subhan>	?
[07:37:02] <McCormack>	Siebrand: you seem to be the one who committed my subpagelist extension to SVN; as per my comment on bug 13163 above, 3 lines of code were changed (presumably for the better, mostly) and a small bug was introduced reported by PaulHat.
[07:37:47] <McCormack>	I've commented on this in the activation request - is that enough? or should the SVN version be changed now? I don't have commit access.
[07:38:05] <siebrand>	McCormack: I committed to i18n for it. Werdna imported it. Lemme look at the bugzilla.
[07:38:20] <McCormack>	Siebrand: thanks!
[07:40:49] <Splarka>	subhan: what version of mediawiki?
[07:41:09] <subhan>	1.11
[07:41:22] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31535 10/trunk/extensions/SubPageList3/SubPageList3.php: (13163) fix a bug by fixing a typo
[07:41:44] <Splarka>	subhan: each page has a CSS body class
[07:41:48] <McCormack>	Siebrand: that was quick!!
[07:41:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  +comment (10siebrand)
[07:41:57] <subhan>	ok
[07:42:09] <siebrand>	McCormack: told you I didn't have much time ;)
[07:42:31] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page #p-logo a { background-image: url(http://someimage) !important;
[07:42:37] <Splarka>	}
[07:42:42] <McCormack>	Siebrand: many thanks.
[07:42:51] <siebrand>	McCormack: yw.
[07:43:11] <subhan>	Splarka:yes 
[07:43:27] <Splarka>	where url is the URL to the logo you want to appear there
[07:43:37] <Splarka>	view a page source to find out what the page class is (in the <body> tag)
[07:44:24] <subhan>	Sparka: yes i understand but how to change for different pages
[07:44:51] <Splarka>	body.page-Main_Page #p-logo a {
[07:44:54] <Splarka>	that part, different for each page
[07:45:15] <Voyagerfan5761>	subhan: For a page named MediaWiki, you'd have body.page-MediaWiki
[07:46:05] <subhan>	Splarka: ok will try thanks
[07:46:41] <Voyagerfan5761>	subhan: Are you reasonably clear on how to determine the class name to target?
[07:47:08] <subhan>	Voyagerfan: not much 
[07:47:28] <Splarka>	what browser?
[07:47:35] <subhan>	Firefox
[07:47:45] <Splarka>	hit Ctrl+U on a page
[07:47:55] <Splarka>	scroll down and look for something like:
[07:48:05] <Splarka>	<body class="mediawiki ns-4 ltr page-SOMEPAGENAMEHERE">
[07:48:21] <Voyagerfan5761>	Splarka: What happens if there are special characters in the page name, like "Google's Lock-in: A Commentary"?
[07:48:38] <Voyagerfan5761>	My curiosity has been piqued
[07:48:42] <Splarka>	_ ____ ___ _ _ _
[07:48:54] <Voyagerfan5761>	?
[07:48:54] <Splarka>	everything funky (and some things not funky) get turned into underscores
[07:49:18] <Voyagerfan5761>	Underscores take the place of any non-alphanumeric char, then
[07:49:28] <Splarka>	well, no...
[07:49:31] <Voyagerfan5761>	Or are hyphens left alone?
[07:49:45] <Splarka>	page-Google_s_Lock-in_A_Commentary
[07:49:47] <Splarka>	per your example
[07:50:07] <Splarka>	but you can try it on nonexistant pages too, go to the URL in en.wp and view page source, even if it doesn't exist it'll have a clas
[07:50:07] <Voyagerfan5761>	Wait, would there only be one underscore where the ": " was?
[07:50:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	Didn't realize that; thanks, Splarka :)
[07:50:34] <subhan>	splarka: yes i am able to see <body class="mediawiki ns-4 ltr page-SOMEPAGENAMEHERE">
[07:50:44] <Splarka>	yah, multiple underscores are compressed
[07:50:55] <Splarka>	subhan: that page- class is what you want, with the css above
[07:50:59] <Voyagerfan5761>	Splarka: Gotcha
[07:51:22] <Splarka>	Voyagerfan5761: note that most Unicode is not escaped or underscored
[07:51:44] <Voyagerfan5761>	I don't think I'll have to worry about that. I have a hard time typing Unicode anyway :D
[07:52:09] <Splarka>	well, you do have to worry about it if you want to reference it
[07:52:13] <Splarka>	since you have to use unicode to ^_^
[07:52:20] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Sanitizer.php?revision=31290&content-type=text%2Fplain
[07:52:27] <Splarka>	see static function escapeClass
[07:52:40] <Voyagerfan5761>	Ooh, code! I'll read; thanks
[07:53:06] <blackgoth>	Hi, i have a couple of questions that i couldnt get awnsered using the mediawiki wiki, mostly permissions stuff.
[07:53:23] <Voyagerfan5761>	blackgoth: Fire away
[07:53:39] <blackgoth>	$wgGroupPermissions['*'    ]['createaccount']   = true; <-- If i set that to false, i cant register any new users, just like i want to, but. i cant login anymore too :p
[07:54:05] <Voyagerfan5761>	blackgoth: Did you add a line like:
[07:54:32] <Voyagerfan5761>	$wgGroupPermissions['user']['createaccount'] = true; (lets users create other accounts)?
[07:55:34] <blackgoth>	no, but will that work? because i want to be able to login as well, if i set it to false it just repors that i cant login :p
[07:55:55] <Voyagerfan5761>	blackgoth: Also try adding: $wgWhitelistRead = array( "Main Page", "Special:Userlogin", "-", "MediaWiki:Monobook.css", "MediaWiki:Common.css" );
[07:56:10] <Voyagerfan5761>	blackgoth: let me check with my local install
[07:56:13] <Voyagerfan5761>	Hang on
[07:57:34] <blackgoth>	Lol, i tought it worked! and then i noticed i still had guest allowed create on true :p
[07:57:48] <Voyagerfan5761>	This is weird
[07:57:57] <Voyagerfan5761>	What version are you using?
[07:58:06] <blackgoth>	1.7, comes with debian
[07:58:19] <Voyagerfan5761>	Eeh, I'm testing on 1.11
[07:58:26] <flyingparchment>	uggghhh 1.7
[07:58:28] <Voyagerfan5761>	1.11.2 to be exact
[07:58:35] <flyingparchment>	that is very old and unsupported, upgrade
[07:58:44] <Voyagerfan5761>	My suggestion to you would be to upgrade, like flyingparchment says
[07:59:06] <blackgoth>	rodger that, im gonna upgrade it then 
[07:59:14] <Voyagerfan5761>	You do have PHP 5, right?
[07:59:24] <blackgoth>	yes
[07:59:31] <Voyagerfan5761>	k, just making sure
[07:59:32] <flyingparchment>	1.7 requires php5, so it's unlikely he doesn't
[07:59:41] <blackgoth>	hehe 
[07:59:53] <Voyagerfan5761>	flyingparchment: I forgot the threshold for PHP5 requirement... It's late
[08:00:00] <Voyagerfan5761>	:D
[08:00:00] <flyingparchment>	Voyagerfan5761: 1.6
[08:00:07] <flyingparchment>	(is the latest php4 version)
[08:00:08] <Voyagerfan5761>	thx
[08:00:20] <blackgoth>	or early for that matter Voyagerfan5761 ;)
[08:00:26] <Voyagerfan5761>	lol
[08:00:36] <Voyagerfan5761>	I just try to stick with the latest stables :D
[08:00:56] <blackgoth>	yeah, im gonna upgrade it later today, thank Voyagerfan5761 and flyingparchment :)
[08:00:58] <flyingparchment>	1.6 is actually newer than 1.7, since it's still maintained 
[08:01:18] <Voyagerfan5761>	As security updates only, I recall, yeah.
[08:01:23] <Voyagerfan5761>	blackgoth: yw
[08:01:41] <Splarka>	are there any wikimedia wikis with $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read'] = false?
[08:01:52] <Voyagerfan5761>	Splarka: I would tend to doubt it
[08:01:57] <flyingparchment>	Splarka: all the private ones, probably
[08:02:05] <Voyagerfan5761>	What private ones?
[08:02:13] <flyingparchment>	board, internal, comcom...
[08:02:21] <Voyagerfan5761>	Ah, didn't think of those
[08:02:29] <Splarka>	k
[08:02:51] <Voyagerfan5761>	Splarka: Why, were you thinking of suggesting a patch to take out the functionality? :P
[08:03:29] <Splarka>	nope...
[08:03:55] <Splarka>	I was just wondering if adding "-" to whitelistread would allow access to any page, or just gen=js
[08:04:04] <Voyagerfan5761>	I can test that
[08:04:14] <Voyagerfan5761>	In fact I have
[08:04:26] <Voyagerfan5761>	"-" only allows gen=js
[08:04:36] <Voyagerfan5761>	It blocks the other pages I try to access as an IP
[08:04:49] <Splarka>	even with &curid and &oldid ?
[08:05:00] <Voyagerfan5761>	I think so... You want me to check?
[08:05:16] <Splarka>	well, just curious
[08:05:29] <Voyagerfan5761>	Yeah, now I am, too
[08:05:32] *Splarka 	has broken in to a few ['*']['read'] = false wikis before
[08:05:43] <Splarka>	like staff.wikia and the medcom wiki ^_^
[08:05:53] <Voyagerfan5761>	Not that you'd share your secrets... :D
[08:05:57] <Voyagerfan5761>	;-)
[08:06:18] <Splarka>	staff.wikia was using a shared user DB for it, and any sysop on ANY shared wiki could get in, they didn't know that
[08:06:26] <Splarka>	medcom is using an insecure extension
[08:07:28] <Voyagerfan5761>	Just tested on my local 1.11.2; using just http://gateway-86558bc/w/index.php?oldid=3570 still results in an Error page
[08:07:42] <Voyagerfan5761>	If that URL works for you I'll be scared... :P
[08:07:45] <Splarka>	anyway, you can reach any page with &oldid (no &title required, it assumes Main_Page) or &curid (requires &title but ignores it)
[08:07:51] <Splarka>	on a read=true wiki that is
[08:08:01] <Splarka>	so was curious if whitelisting - did more than gen=js
[08:08:25] <Splarka>	guess not ^_^
[08:08:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	How do I get the curid, anyway?
[08:08:35] <Splarka>	is a global JS variable now
[08:08:41] <Voyagerfan5761>	What does it stand for?
[08:08:47] <Splarka>	var wgArticleId = "5657";
[08:09:08] <Splarka>	the curid is used in Recent Changes for diff links, in case the page gets moved between you loading the page and clicking the link
[08:09:08] <Voyagerfan5761>	it's the ID of the page in wikidb.page?
[08:09:19] <Splarka>	yuh
[08:09:29] <Voyagerfan5761>	Ah, I always wondered what the point of that was...
[08:11:00] <Splarka>	anyway, good to know ^_^
[08:11:22] <Voyagerfan5761>	It doesn't appear that curid works either
[08:11:51] <Duesentrieb>	uh, isn't curid a revision id? as opposed to wgArticleId , which isn't?
[08:12:03] <Splarka>	wgArticleId == curid
[08:12:11] <Voyagerfan5761>	curid != oldid
[08:12:31] <Voyagerfan5761>	revision IDs are passed via oldid
[08:12:33] <Duesentrieb>	hmkay
[08:12:44] <Voyagerfan5761>	It's very confusing...
[08:12:45] <Splarka>	or diff
[08:12:49] <Splarka>	or lots of different ways
[08:12:51] <Voyagerfan5761>	Well, yeah
[08:12:58] <Voyagerfan5761>	I was being simplistic :)
[08:13:16] <Splarka>	wgCurRevisionId == oldid/diff
[08:13:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	Grr, I was about to post that
[08:13:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	:D
[08:13:53] <Voyagerfan5761>	Actually, is that true?
[08:13:55] <Duesentrieb>	yea, well, recalling the old db layout, it's not so confusing. the current revision was in the cur table, under the article id (curid), and the old revisions were in the old table, under the revision id (oldid). so it makes sense i guess
[08:14:10] <Duesentrieb>	but it did get me confused to for a minute
[08:14:22] <Splarka>	yay for antiquated views of the world lingering
[08:14:24] <Voyagerfan5761>	So those parameters are holdovers from the pre-1.whatever era
[08:14:35] <Duesentrieb>	pre 1.5
[08:14:55] <Voyagerfan5761>	Actually, I viewed oldid=3570 and got wgCurRevisionId=3571
[08:15:05] <Voyagerfan5761>	So wgCurRevisionId != oldid necessarily
[08:15:31] <Duesentrieb>	is suppose wgCurRevisionId is the *current* revision id, maybe?
[08:15:44] <Duesentrieb>	so, not necessarily the one you are looking at
[08:15:45] <Splarka>	I was going by the global variables in a typical page view
[08:15:48] <Voyagerfan5761>	As described by the var name
[08:16:00] <Splarka>	pretend the == above was =>
[08:16:05] <Duesentrieb>	well, "current" could mean "the one you are looking at now" too. it's ambiguous
[08:16:29] <Splarka>	wgCurRevisionId refers to revision, as used by diff/oldid
[08:16:33] <Voyagerfan5761>	Come to think of it, there's no way to get the revision ID being looked at via &oldid= without parsing the URL
[08:16:37] <Splarka>	wgArticleId refers to article ID, as used by curid
[08:16:43] <Voyagerfan5761>	(If it's not the current)
[08:16:48] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: but to which revision? the one you are looking at, or the last one?
[08:17:04] <Voyagerfan5761>	Duesentrieb: I think the latest one
[08:17:19] <Duesentrieb>	i think so too. though it *would* be nice to have access to both
[08:17:21] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: for the purposes of saying "curid has nothing to do with wgCurRevisionId
[08:17:28] <Duesentrieb>	like having wgThisRevisionID too
[08:17:30] <Splarka>	I didn't think I had to go into more detail than that, to say that
[08:17:58] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: yes, i understood that about five minutes ago :)
[08:18:08] <Splarka>	k
[08:18:15] <Voyagerfan5761>	This is the randomest conversation I've had in a long time, in real life or online :D
[08:18:24] <Splarka>	Voyagerfan5761: it is in the page several times
[08:18:29] <Splarka>	<!-- diff cache key enwiki:diff:version:1.11a:oldid:195676643:newid:195695170 -->
[08:18:45] <Voyagerfan5761>	Deary me, that's complicated
[08:18:48] <Voyagerfan5761>	I meant via script
[08:18:50] <Splarka>	scraping page is usually less preferrable than scraping the url though
[08:18:55] <Splarka>	I did too
[08:19:08] <Splarka>	noteType == 8 for comments ^_^
[08:19:09] <Voyagerfan5761>	Scripts (JS, here) can read HTML comments?
[08:19:15] <Splarka>	nodeType even
[08:19:22] <Splarka>	si
[08:19:28] *Voyagerfan5761 	is such a JavaScript n00b
[08:19:36] <Duesentrieb>	bah, just add more stuff to the js variable block. i added it for this purpose.
[08:19:49] <Splarka>	and it's getting stuffed to the brim
[08:19:52] <Duesentrieb>	scraping sucvks
[08:19:59] <Splarka>	soon there will be more info in it than in the page
[08:20:05] <Duesentrieb>	hehe
[08:20:06] <Voyagerfan5761>	It's true there's no point in making people parse things when the software could just output it...
[08:20:12] <Voyagerfan5761>	Splarka: lol
[08:20:14] <Splarka>	dues: importing api calls via <script> is not bad
[08:20:27] <Splarka>	and quite fun too!
[08:20:41] <Duesentrieb>	"importing api calls"? huh?
[08:20:50] <Voyagerfan5761>	I need to find some time to learn more about MediaWiki scripting...
[08:20:55] <Voyagerfan5761>	I'm in over my head
[08:21:12] <Splarka>	dues: you create a <script src="/w/api.php?format=json&callback=something...">
[08:21:19] <Splarka>	and then have a function something() parse it when it loads
[08:21:35] <Splarka>	works across servers quite nicely, no ajax needed, no page reload needed
[08:21:53] <Duesentrieb>	yea, neat. actually, we should have a nice utility fuinction for that
[08:21:53] <Splarka>	and if you use dom friendly tag additions, like importScript, works in most browsers too
[08:22:00] <Splarka>	heh, well
[08:22:02] <Voyagerfan5761>	So one could have script add ", revision xxxxxxxxx" to the end of the title
[08:22:05] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232
[08:22:08] <Splarka>	will help that nicely
[08:22:29] <Splarka>	importScriptURI(wgScriptPath + '/api.php' ... )
[08:22:59] <Duesentrieb>	i was thinking of something like callAPI(...) rather.
[08:23:10] <Splarka>	could be done too, but not much more concisely
[08:23:45] <Splarka>	function callAPI(data) { importScriptURI(wgScriptPath + '/api.php' + data ) }
[08:23:46] <Splarka>	heh
[08:24:01] <Splarka>	and a check for if the API is readable of course
[08:24:17] <Splarka>	function callAPI(data) { if(wgEnableAPI) { importScriptURI(wgScriptPath + '/api.php' + data ) } }
[08:24:51] <Splarka>	dues: wanna see a live example?
[08:25:04] <Splarka>	http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-contribsrange.js
[08:27:24] <marchelly>	re
[08:27:38] <Duesentrieb>	how about callAPI({...params...}, callback)? api aprameters as a map, and the callback gets the parsed result. should be duable without much problems. 
[08:27:58] <Voyagerfan5761>	Duesentrieb: was thinking that
[08:28:28] <Duesentrieb>	it woould be similar to sajax_do_call
[08:28:53] <Duesentrieb>	actually, it might even be possible to hook the api functions into the standard ajax handler
[08:28:58] <Splarka>	the problem is there are so many parameters
[08:29:03] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: huh`
[08:29:16] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: you just pass what is needed. as a js map.
[08:29:16] <Splarka>	why bother to even make callback separate?
[08:29:18] <OverlordQ>	*facepalm*
[08:29:26] <Splarka>	also
[08:29:27] <Duesentrieb>	{ query="list", ... }
[08:29:35] <Splarka>	you couldn't have it easily work for other domains
[08:29:38] <OverlordQ>	had the guy who opened 13243 email me saying he made the edit
[08:29:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232  (10voyagerfan5761)
[08:29:45] <Splarka>	if they had alternate scriptpaths
[08:29:50] <Splarka>	bah, stop distracting me
[08:29:53] *Splarka 	idles for a bit
[08:30:00] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: it's not suuposed to work for other domains. do either multi-option OR multi-purpose.
[08:30:22] <Duesentrieb>	(unless you just mean domain names. that could just be a param)
[08:30:59] <Voyagerfan5761>	OverlordQ: How many bugs like that get reported in a month? Any idea?
[08:31:10] <Voyagerfan5761>	Er, "bugs" like that ;-)
[08:31:25] <OverlordQ>	Voyagerfan5761: probably too many
[08:31:38] <Voyagerfan5761>	OverlordQ: One is too many :D
[08:32:31] <Duesentrieb>	i'm amazed how people manage to find and use bugzilla, but can't figure out how to edit a page on wikipedia
[08:32:46] <Voyagerfan5761>	lol
[08:32:58] <Voyagerfan5761>	Maybe an admin should increase the font size of #ca-edit? :D
[08:33:59] <Voyagerfan5761>	(Priority: Highest. Severity: critical. lol all the way to the Edit tab ;-)
[08:35:01] <Voyagerfan5761>	So, now for the reason I came here. Does anyone think it would be possible to run MediaWiki on Amazon EC2 and S3? Hypothetically
[08:36:08] <OverlordQ>	yea
[08:36:48] <Voyagerfan5761>	I'm not sure how I'd do it, but I was wondering. Thanks. :)
[08:37:03] <Splarka>	Duesentrieb: there are no cross-server restrictions on <script> tags, a src= api call works fine
[08:37:16] <Splarka>	in fact, brion had to fix a vulnerability in it yesterday as it worked too well
[08:37:42] <Splarka>	but anyway, creating a very specific function that doesn't save much typing doesn't seem worth it
[08:38:17] <Voyagerfan5761>	probably leave it up to wikis that would use it to create their own
[08:38:41] <Splarka>	importScriptURI(wgScriptPath + '/api.php?action=query&format=json&callback=function&action=parse&text=' + text)
[08:38:42] <Splarka>	vs
[08:38:58] <Splarka>	apicall('action=query&action=parse&text=' + text,'function')
[08:39:06] <Splarka>	and that is a very minimalistic example
[08:39:16] <Voyagerfan5761>	That isn't much difference
[08:39:25] <Splarka>	er, ignore extra action
[08:39:39] <Splarka>	but the main query bulk would still be a bunch of URLs, or a complex array object (ick)
[08:40:03] <Voyagerfan5761>	Heh, didn't notice it actually
[08:40:47] <Voyagerfan5761>	Speaking of that wikibits bug, how about adopting queryString into the MediaWiki core?
[08:42:19] <Splarka>	there are disagreements about how best to implement it
[08:42:52] <Splarka>	some people want to parse it and make it an available object on every page load, but that seems silly to me since it takes a page of code and the vast majority of page loads don't use JS query strings 
[08:44:44] <Voyagerfan5761>	I know, it could be added to that monstrous block of JS vars at the top of every page! :D
[08:46:15] <Splarka>	and Tim was just ranting about how all the globals in wikibits.js should be done by on-demand function when possible, like browser version checks
[08:46:52] <Voyagerfan5761>	I was considering how that might actually be advisable, so as to not slow down page load so much with JS
[08:48:06] <Splarka>	and things taking up lots of space in the wikibits, like sortable tables, could be stuck into sub-scripts and imported on demand
[08:48:50] <Voyagerfan5761>	OTOH, that increases the number of HTTP requests for pages that use those functions
[08:49:07] <Voyagerfan5761>	But seeing as how things like sortable tables are so lightly used, that probably wouldn't be a problem
[08:49:14] <Splarka>	right, but they get cached too for most users
[08:49:25] <Voyagerfan5761>	That is also true
[08:49:33] <Splarka>	and this is already done for things like the Special:Blockip JS
[08:49:43] <Splarka>	although via hardcoded  <script>
[08:50:21] <Voyagerfan5761>	Does &action=delete also import scripts or does it write hard-coded functions on each page?
[08:52:03] <Splarka>	what JS happens on action=delete?
[08:52:28] <Voyagerfan5761>	There's JS for chaining and un-chaining the select boxes for protection level, for one
[08:53:37] <Splarka>	on delete?
[08:53:49] <Voyagerfan5761>	Umm...
[08:53:58] <Voyagerfan5761>	D'oh, I meant &action=protect
[08:54:03] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript" src="/skins-1.5/common/protect.js?119">
[08:54:05] <Splarka>	right, hardcoded
[08:54:12] *Voyagerfan5761 	pounds forehead
[08:54:30] <Voyagerfan5761>	Ah, so am import rather than functions in the page
[08:54:35] <Voyagerfan5761>	**an
[08:54:53] <Voyagerfan5761>	Somewhere I could have sworn I saw JS in a page body code...
[08:54:58] <Splarka>	well
[08:55:03] <Splarka>	that is a hardcoded src
[08:55:15] <Splarka>	an import would be like importScriptURI('/skins-1.5/common/protect.js?119')
[08:55:24] <Splarka>	ahh, but you're thinking of the dismissable sitenotice
[08:55:33] <Voyagerfan5761>	That could be it
[08:55:45] <Splarka>	or GeSHi's hilighting (raw css)
[08:55:45] <Voyagerfan5761>	Which is an ext, I think
[08:56:51] <Splarka>	oh Dues: I misread, I thought you said it couldn't be used for cross server scripting, not that it shouldn't ^_^
[08:58:08] <_wooz>	lo
[09:00:33] <Greg32885>	bonjour tt le monde
[09:01:33] <Greg32885>	personne ?
[09:02:10] <Greg32885>	someone for help me ?
[09:02:17] <Voyagerfan5761>	Greg32885: Are you looking for something in particular?
[09:02:39] <Greg32885>	hello Voyagerfan5761, yes i'm looking for help with Flash 8
[09:03:14] <Voyagerfan5761>	This is #MediaWiki... We discuss the software that powers Wikimedia sites like Wikipedia
[09:03:24] <Voyagerfan5761>	Unless your question has something to do with MediaWiki...?
[09:04:39] <Greg32885>	oh sorry .. i'm not at the right place
[09:04:49] <Voyagerfan5761>	It's OK
[09:04:59] <Voyagerfan5761>	Good luck finding your answer! :-)
[09:05:18] <Greg32885>	thanks have a good day :)
[09:05:34] <Voyagerfan5761>	The same to you
[09:10:33] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31536 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (10 files in 5 dirs): 
[09:10:33] <CIA-43>	fixes for edits losing spoken by property
[09:10:33] <CIA-43>	more scrape/insert updates
[09:12:11] <CIA-43>	03tbleher * r31537 10/trunk/extensions/Gnuplot/ (. Gnuplot.php): 
[09:12:12] <CIA-43>	Import Gnuplot extension unmodified from
[09:12:12] <CIA-43>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gnuplot
[09:24:27] <SykoSilver>	Hello, I'm trying to install the ConfirmAccount extension. Do I simply download each of the links at http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ConfirmAccount/ ?
[09:26:22] <AaronSchulz>	that would work
[09:28:13] <Duesentrieb>	!bundles | SykoSilver
[09:28:13] --mwbot--	SykoSilver: unofficial bundles of extensions are at <http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/>. Note that these are random snapshots and may contain a completely broken version of the extension.
[09:29:00] <SykoSilver>	What would I do with the bundle?
[09:31:03] <AaronSchulz>	"Note that these are random snapshots and may contain a completely broken version of the extension"
[09:31:05] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[09:31:12] <AaronSchulz>	Duesentrieb: :)
[09:31:43] <DerHexer>	Is here a mediawiki sysop?
[09:31:52] <DerHexer>	e. g. Duesentrieb ;)
[09:32:17] <AaronSchulz>	SykoSilver: download it, unzip it, then put the folder in the /extensions directory of your mediawiki installation
[09:32:21] <SykoSilver>	Thanks.
[09:32:24] <Duesentrieb>	DerHexer: a bit busy, so if it's not urgent...
[09:32:32] <Duesentrieb>	!extensions | SykoSilver
[09:32:32] --mwbot--	SykoSilver: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[09:32:39] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount#Setup
[09:32:39] <DerHexer>	okay, I'll wait for another one
[09:32:45] <DerHexer>	just spambot crap
[09:32:49] <AaronSchulz>	SykoSilver: and do the rest of that stuff
[09:32:59] <AaronSchulz>	DerHexer: what is it?
[09:33:10] <SykoSilver>	Thank you.
[09:33:15] <DerHexer>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Forum/pl/w/index.php
[09:33:26] <DerHexer>	our beloved XRumer spambot
[09:35:15] <SykoSilver>	I don't understand this step: Run the SQL query, substituting in your wiki's table prefix. ConfirmAccount.pg.sql is for PostgreSQL, and ConfirmAccount.sql is for MySQL.
[09:35:27] <SykoSilver>	You'll have to excuse me, I'm not web-savvy.
[09:35:41] <SykoSilver>	How do I do this?
[09:36:50] <AaronSchulz>	what DB system do you have?
[09:37:21] <SykoSilver>	is that MySQL? I believe I have MySQL.
[09:37:49] *AaronSchulz 	hopes this is not being ran from a university ;)
[09:37:55] <AaronSchulz>	*run
[09:38:06] <OverlordQ>	almost guaranteed to be using MySQL. Unless you're running you're own machine, hosts that use PG are few and far between
[09:38:43] <AaronSchulz>	SykoSilver: is this your box or hosted elsewhere?
[09:38:46] <SykoSilver>	No this is off of my webhosting =P
[09:39:03] <SykoSilver>	And not university webhosting, heh.
[09:39:20] <AaronSchulz>	so you have shell access?
[09:40:41] <SykoSilver>	I guess. I don't really know much of anything about this stuff. Last time I went into it was last semester, and I wasn't really knowledgeable to begin with.
[09:41:03] <SykoSilver>	But it is my webhosting, so I guess if anyone has access it's me. :P
[09:41:33] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: most (cheap) web hosting does not provide shell (read: ssh) access
[09:41:39] <Duesentrieb>	!shell | SykoSilver
[09:41:39] --mwbot--	SykoSilver: Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[09:42:12] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: if you don't have shell access but need to mess with the database, you can use something like phpmyadmin. you web host probably offers something like that if you have a database.
[09:42:22] <DerHexer>	thanks AaronSchulz :)
[09:42:39] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: if you are not "web savvy" you are up for quite a steep learning curtve if you try to mess with the database directly...
[09:42:47] <AaronSchulz>	SykoSilver: http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/databases/f772.shtml
[09:42:55] <DerHexer>	this spambot uses zombie proxy which we normally delete for at least half a year … would you please so kind :)
[09:43:25] <DerHexer>	delete -> block
[09:43:43] <DerHexer>	too much deleted during the last hour = )
[09:45:27] <SykoSilver>	umm I think I have SSH
[09:47:24] <AaronSchulz>	DerHexer: blocked
[09:47:27] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: that would give you more control, and you can use the mysql command line client. if you find that easier than phpmyadmin depends on your general aproach to computers, i guess :)
[09:47:52] <DerHexer>	thanks :)
[09:47:54] <DerHexer>	and bye
[09:48:10] <SykoSilver>	hahaha I have no idea what I'm doing. :P I'll poke around my webhosting site to see if they have something there.
[09:48:19] <Warpath>	AaronSchulz, lol 5 years XD
[09:48:32] <Warpath>	DerHexer, you could have pinged me :P
[09:48:37] <AaronSchulz>	better than "infinity" XD
[09:48:44] <Warpath>	XD 
[09:48:57] <DerHexer>	Warpath, my client shows you away …
[09:49:20] <AaronSchulz>	mine doesn't
[09:49:20] <Warpath>	so, I'm alwayz away, avoids being pinged :P
[09:49:56] <Warpath>	AaronSchulz, I'm Cometstyles on facebook :DD
[09:50:19] <DerHexer>	.oO(Cometface on stylesbook)
[09:50:44] <Warpath>	O_O
[09:50:52] <DerHexer>	xD
[09:50:57] <DerHexer>	Don't read my thoughts!
[09:51:12] <Warpath>	.o0 (does he really think he is psychic? O_o)
[09:51:20] <DerHexer>	.oO(Yes.)
[09:51:49] <Warpath>	.o0( hehe, who would have known :P )
[09:56:16] <SykoSilver>	I'm guessing this is what I do for SSH on my webhosting. http://kb.mediatemple.net/article.php?id=110 Let's see if I can figure this out.
[09:56:59] <Werdna>	McCormack: I'm around now, if that's a hand.
[09:57:08] <Werdna>	hey AaronSchulz,Warpath 
[09:57:22] <AaronSchulz>	meow
[09:57:27] <Warpath>	hey Andrew :D
[10:05:22] <SykoSilver>	OK, I think I'm in the SSH thinger now.
[10:07:41] <adrian15>	LocalSettings is supposed to be in the same path as DefaultSettings file ?
[10:09:43] <CIA-43>	03tbleher * r31538 10/trunk/extensions/Gnuplot/Gnuplot.php: 
[10:09:43] <CIA-43>	First pass through the code:
[10:09:43] <CIA-43>	* Use tabs instead of spaces
[10:09:43] <CIA-43>	* Global vars for configuration instead of a class
[10:09:43] <CIA-43>	* Some cleanups for easier readability
[10:09:44] <CIA-43>	* Security: Properly escape some paths before passing them to the shell and HTML
[10:09:46] <CIA-43>	Probably needs more fixes before it is ready for a public site.
[10:10:56] <SykoSilver>	I guess I'm supposed to input something now... "Run the SQL query, substituting in your wiki's table prefix. ConfirmAccount.sql is for MySQL."
[10:11:47] <adrian15>	LocalSettings is found in / (found it on your wiki). Sorry.
[10:25:24] <adrian15>	I am trying to set up a new logo in LocalSettings.php but I am not able to achieve it.
[10:25:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) & in page titles is not appropriately escaped in various cases - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3243  (10ThomasBleher)
[10:25:35] <adrian15>	Is there any log where I can see why it fails to load the logo?
[10:26:06] <Werdna>	adrian15: check your web browser :)
[10:26:42] <Werdna>	adrian15: $wgLogo is substituted pretty much as-is (plus escaping) into a <img src=""> tag
[10:27:17] <SykoSilver>	Anyone have any idea what the wiki table prefix might be?
[10:27:51] <Splarka>	Werdna: don't you mean <a style="background-image: url();" ? (in monobook anyway)
[10:27:54] <SykoSilver>	is that the database name?
[10:28:40] <Werdna>	Splarka: *rolleyes*
[10:28:54] <Werdna>	SykoSilver: it puts prefix before every table name - so you can have multiple wikis on the same db
[10:29:05] <SykoSilver>	I think I found it
[10:30:11] *Splarka 	catches them and hands them back to werd
[10:30:18] <adrian15>	Werdna: even if the path is incorrect ?
[10:32:04] <SykoSilver>	Uhhh, I entered it, and a whole bunch of text appeared. how do I know if it did it or not? @_@
[10:32:22] <adrian15>	Is there any webpage that forces update of the wiki reading the LocalSettings file again maybe ?
[10:33:51] *brown_cat 	bursts into flames
[10:33:53] <brown_cat>	O_o
[10:33:54] <brown_cat>	OH NOES!!!
[10:49:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[10:50:07] <Dantman>	Bleh, brion is away whenever needed...
[10:55:02] <SykoSilver>	Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfloadextensionmessages() in /mnt/gs02/herd02/25580/domains/dracosphere.com/html/wiki/extensions/ConfirmAccount/SpecialConfirmAccount.php on line 99
[10:55:08] <SykoSilver>	Any idea what I did wrong? =P
[10:55:20] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	lol nice path :)
[10:55:32] <SykoSilver>	my webhosting uses a grid service or something like that
[10:56:33] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) #section fragment on page property gone from hyperlink - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13244 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[10:58:43] <CIA-43>	03raymond * r31539 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removed message 'intl', unused since ages.
[11:07:26] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: grid service can be a problem with session. unrelated to that problem.
[11:08:02] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: the version of the extension you installed needs a newer version of mediawiki. wfloadextensionmessages was only added recently. grab an older version of the extension from svn
[11:08:09] <Duesentrieb>	(no bundles for that yet, sorry=)
[11:08:33] <SykoSilver>	ok
[11:08:37] <SykoSilver>	I'll try that >.>
[11:09:13] <SykoSilver>	Do I need to replace all the files?
[11:09:18] <SykoSilver>	or is it just one in particular?
[11:09:58] <McCormack>	Werdna: thanks for your post about 50 lines above! In the meantime Siebrand solved the problem - there was a typo in the code changes you made to SubPageList3.php before you uploaded to SVN, but it's all OK now.
[11:11:10] <SykoSilver>	Duesentrieb: Wait, older version? Where can I access an older version? Just whatever one is up on SVN?
[11:11:18] <Werdna>	ah
[11:11:22] <Werdna>	silly me
[11:11:45] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: svn is a revision management system. it offers access to *all* revsions of everything, that's its job :)
[11:12:22] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: what version of mediawiki are you running?
[11:12:27] <SykoSilver>	I'm not sure
[11:12:37] <Duesentrieb>	look at Special:Version
[11:12:42] <Duesentrieb>	(after disabling the extension)
[11:13:09] <SykoSilver>	1.10.1
[11:13:36] <Duesentrieb>	extension snapshotf for 1.10 are here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/branches/REL1_10/extensions/
[11:13:46] <Duesentrieb>	but *why* do you use 1.10? there's no good reason really. 
[11:14:03] <Duesentrieb>	we are at 1.11 now, 1.12rc will be available soon (or is already?)
[11:14:50] <SykoSilver>	I've been using it since last semester. How do I update?
[11:15:01] <SykoSilver>	also, ConfirmAccount isn't listed on that page.
[11:15:43] <Werdna>	SykoSilver: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[11:16:21] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: then it doesn't exist for 1.10
[11:17:14] <ChemicalBit>	Searching for already existing bug on mediazilla (I'm trying to preventing some users at it.wikipedia.org to open duplicate bugs ;-) )
[11:17:25] <ChemicalBit>	I've found this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7804#c11
[11:17:38] <ChemicalBit>	What is "MiserMode" ?
[11:18:10] <SykoSilver>	what version is mediawiki at right now?
[11:18:40] <Splarka>	ChemicalBit: it allows big wikis to not die on every edit or query
[11:19:06] <domas>	SykoSilver: 1.12 being released 
[11:19:10] <domas>	1.11.2 released
[11:19:16] <domas>	1.13alpha site runs
[11:19:36] <SykoSilver>	maybe it would be better to wait until 1.12?
[11:19:42] <SykoSilver>	What do you suggest?
[11:19:44] <Duesentrieb>	domas: is tehre an official 1.12rc yet? i saw the branch, but is there a bundle?
[11:19:53] <Duesentrieb>	SykoSilver: upgrading is cheap & simple
[11:20:12] <Splarka>	so for example, things like Special:Wantedpages (and many other Special: lists), do not update after every edit, but instead on a cron job
[11:20:14] <Duesentrieb>	very simple if you have shell access
[11:20:16] <domas>	Duesentrieb: dunno. I'm not release engineer, I just know what we run on site, and have bumped versions few times in the past ;-)
[11:20:23] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[11:20:23] <domas>	real men run trunk!
[11:20:45] *Werdna 	runs trunk
[11:20:47] <Duesentrieb>	domas: i usually svn up my site to whatever wp is currently running :)
[11:21:03] <Duesentrieb>	trunk yes, daily no.
[11:21:05] <ChemicalBit>	Splarka: so it's a setting that turn off some features at the same time?
[11:21:08] <Werdna>	Duesentrieb: real men run trunk
[11:21:11] <domas>	Duesentrieb: must be difficult once we apply random bits :)
[11:21:18] <Duesentrieb>	Werdna: at home :)
[11:21:19] <Werdna>	not this "wikipedia does it" crap
[11:21:21] <Werdna>	trunk
[11:21:22] <Splarka>	Chem: mostly yah
[11:21:24] <Werdna>	SVN HEAD
[11:21:25] <Werdna>	:P
[11:21:32] <Duesentrieb>	domas: yuk!
[11:21:34] <Warpath>	XD
[11:21:46] <ChemicalBit>	ok, thank. Just to understand and report to the "complining" it.wikipeida users ;-)
[11:21:49] <domas>	I remember someone debating with me and telling that special:version svn version is accurate
[11:22:11] <domas>	"I know it is not, cause today I applied some future patches manually"
[11:22:14] <Splarka>	mmm, is the miser check isExpensive() ?
[11:22:47] <Duesentrieb>	domas: actually, taking it from svnversion would be more informative. it's pretty nice, it telly you about partial updates and local edits.
[11:22:57] <Duesentrieb>	all in one consise short string
[11:23:09] <Werdna>	Splarka: yes
[11:23:13] <Duesentrieb>	shelling out is a bit slower than parsing the xml though, i suppose
[11:23:28] <domas>	Duesentrieb: checking
[11:23:45] <domas>	heh
[11:23:49] <domas>	runs for quite a while already
[11:24:00] <Duesentrieb>	well it has to check all files
[11:24:06] <Duesentrieb>	basically it summarized svn st
[11:24:24] <Splarka>	Werdna: is it Special:Log that has a special extra search mode (a prefix search maybe) with miser mode off? or maybe Special:Ipblocklist
[11:24:29] <Duesentrieb>	man, my typing is much worse than my english :P
[11:24:32] <domas>	31522MS
[11:24:36] <domas>	what does that mean? :)
[11:24:44] <Duesentrieb>	ask the man page :)
[11:24:46] <Duesentrieb>	M is modified.
[11:24:51] <Duesentrieb>	S... no idea 
[11:24:59] <Splarka>	if ( $pattern && !$wgMiserMode ) {  ahh, is Special:Log
[11:25:38] <Duesentrieb>	domas: ah, the man page sucks, use --help
[11:25:50] <Duesentrieb>	S = "switched working copy"
[11:25:57] <domas>	I know what S stands for
[11:25:59] <domas>	have no idea what it means
[11:26:00] <domas>	:)
[11:26:34] <Splarka>	ChemicalBit: (as said) another example: Special:Log allows prefix searches in the title section, without miser mode
[11:26:36] <Duesentrieb>	heh. hm, me nither, really... probably *somehow* related to svn switch
[11:26:53] <Duesentrieb>	domas: "switch (sw): Update the working copy to a different URL."
[11:28:26] <ChemicalBit>	I understand. 
[11:28:54] <ChemicalBit>	Is it the same for Special:Recentchangeslinked ?
[11:30:17] <Splarka>	I don't believe that is affected by miser mode... ?
[11:30:47] <Splarka>	that wouldn't be much use if it was updated once a month
[11:31:40] <domas>	mmm
[11:31:47] <domas>	I know who disabled that for special:log :-)
[11:31:57] <Splarka>	heh
[11:32:08] <domas>	there's one guy who likes to slap wgmisermode :)
[11:32:14] <Splarka>	domas is reverse-santa claus
[11:32:27] <domas>	grinch
[11:32:31] <SykoSilver>	looking on my webhosting for their method of database backup. what's "cd" ? as in, "Log into your server via SSH and cd into a directory where you have write access"
[11:32:43] <domas>	SykoSilver: it is a verb which means 'run cd'
[11:32:48] <domas>	cd in unix is like chdir in dos!
[11:32:49] <domas>	oh wait
[11:33:03] <domas>	it is like doubleclicking a folder in windows!
[11:33:13] <SykoSilver>	run cd? I don't get it
[11:33:26] <domas>	'cd directory' command will change your directory context (current working dir) :)
[11:33:38] <ChemicalBit>	Splarka: I don't believe that is affected by miser mode... ?  <-- Ok, so I'll search mediazzilal if a bug is already opened about ading namespace filtering to Special:Recentchangeslinked
[11:34:22] <Splarka>	hmm
[11:34:30] <domas>	you know, some day we'll just multiply our database capacity
[11:34:32] <domas>	a lot
[11:34:32] <Splarka>	it would be nice if Recentchangeslinked took parameters
[11:34:40] <domas>	and will disable misermode!:)
[11:34:45] <SykoSilver>	Ok... maybe I understand. :P Maybe. But I've got to get my homework done now, so I'll poke this tomorrow.
[11:34:53] <Splarka>	/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked?pages=Main_Page|User:Flibble|Image:Foobar
[11:35:16] <Splarka>	instead of having to create the page temporarily and then click the link
[11:36:39] <domas>	Splarka: add it
[11:37:20] <Splarka>	ours is not to do our die, ours us just to reason why... not
[11:41:47] <ChemicalBit>	It's already opened (bug 9481 )
[11:41:56] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: hello. Is it normal that a Guest sees the English version of a polyglot webpage if its browser settings are set to Spanish (es) ?
[11:42:17] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: yes, unless you also install the languageselector extension
[11:42:31] <adrian15>	I have not installed it yet.
[11:42:34] <Duesentrieb>	polyglot itself does not mess with the user language setting
[11:42:54] <Duesentrieb>	(and anons use the content language for the interface)
[11:43:02] <adrian15>	http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/index.php/SuperGrubDisk
[11:43:26] <adrian15>	content language is the one that sends the browser in its settings I suppose
[11:43:46] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[11:43:48] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: I have created: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/index.php/SuperGrubDisk/es
[11:43:59] <Duesentrieb>	the content language is the language you specified for you wiki at installation time
[11:44:10] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: No? How does it work then ?
[11:44:34] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki ocmpletly ignores the language setting of your browser
[11:45:14] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: so even if you wanted it you could not use this data to improve your extension, isn't it ?
[11:45:24] <domas>	mmm
[11:45:31] <Duesentrieb>	as i said: install the languageselector
[11:45:32] <domas>	should be straightforward to use browser language as interface language
[11:45:37] <Duesentrieb>	then it will use the browser setting
[11:45:39] <domas>	ah
[11:45:41] <domas>	it is done already
[11:46:06] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: So I'm going to install languageselector then, thank you.
[11:46:09] <Duesentrieb>	domas: as an extension yes. iirc it's not wanted for wikimedia, because of squids and all that jazz
[11:46:22] <domas>	of course. 
[11:46:40] <domas>	we could do language-based selection for wikipedia.org portal though
[11:46:47] <domas>	as in, showing the native language with big big letters
[11:46:48] <domas>	:)
[11:48:02] <Splarka>	would not a 302 or javascript to ?uselang (or language paths) allow caching? eg /wiki/Foo for someone coming from de.wp would go to /de/foo or /wiki/foo?uselang=de ?
[11:48:05] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: You already advise in the Polyglot extension wiki to use LanguageSelector. You could add this solves the problem with Guest users.
[11:48:23] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: go ahead, it's a wiki :)
[11:48:28] <domas>	I'd hate dynamic interface languages for very simple reason 
[11:48:32] <Splarka>	and you could even have a cookie "stop_being_a_cunning_linguist_mediawiki" = true
[11:48:33] <domas>	much much more to cache
[11:48:57] <domas>	we get lots of enwiki views from non-en countries
[11:49:01] <Splarka>	mmm
[11:49:20] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: i love the "Cunning Linuist" shirt. really cracked me up the first time i saw it :)
[11:49:25] <Splarka>	heh
[11:49:27] <Splarka>	well, how about a cacheable opt-in message
[11:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: no need for that. it lets you pick your language, and keeps it.
[11:49:47] <Splarka>	something javascripty like "hey, did you know you can set a cookie to change your interface language for this browser session?"
[11:49:51] <Duesentrieb>	in a cookie, actually
[11:49:53] <Splarka>	well, for Wikimedia I mean
[11:49:58] <Duesentrieb>	it only uses the bropwser setting to initialize that
[11:50:16] *Splarka 	doubts languageselector would make it
[11:50:33] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: you, you mean, like... look for uselang in cookies in addition to the url? would be trivial actually.
[11:50:49] <Duesentrieb>	Splarka: might still mess with caches. because they don't vary on cookies
[11:50:55] <Splarka>	yah
[11:51:02] <Splarka>	so it would have to change the URL...
[11:51:07] <Splarka>	but that would be cacheable in itself
[11:51:07] <Duesentrieb>	so, the ui language must not depend on cookies
[11:51:18] <Splarka>	/wiki/Foo?uselang=fr 
[11:51:28] <Duesentrieb>	well, duh
[11:51:32] <Splarka>	the only difference could be a 302 redirect (messy)
[11:51:42] <Duesentrieb>	uh?
[11:51:58] <Splarka>	or... modify all links, with something like &uselangcascade=fr
[11:53:22] <Splarka>	it is a silly idea anyway
[11:53:43] <Duesentrieb>	that has actually been suggested before. 
[11:53:54] <Splarka>	doesn't make it less silly ^_^
[11:54:00] <Duesentrieb>	the login form/account creating form has something like that
[11:54:05] <Duesentrieb>	there it does indeed make sense
[11:54:11] <Splarka>	hellya
[11:54:34] <Duesentrieb>	i think it even initializes the user language of the new acount. at least i hope it does
[12:01:02] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: Do you have any idea why after installing languageselector and going to the site as a guest... by default the site is displayed in german instead of english even if in LocalisedSettings the $wgLanguageCode variable is set to: "en";
[12:01:41] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: because now it looks at the Accept-Language header your browser sends.
[12:01:57] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: does that contain "de"?
[12:02:27] <Duesentrieb>	oh, one caveat is: it expects the languages in that header to be supplied in hte order of preference - the http spec allows them in any order, with the preference being given as a numeric vlue.
[12:02:49] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: Yes, German is there, and Spanish also.
[12:03:08] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: in what order, with what preference values?
[12:03:17] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: I am going to remove Deutsch.
[12:03:41] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: Yes,... I mean... The first one is "es", second one is "es_es", "en", "en_US" and finally de.
[12:04:04] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: before you remove it, please give me the header as it is sent nopw. just to satisfy my curiosity :)
[12:04:08] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: visit http://area23.brightbyte.de/request.php
[12:04:15] <Duesentrieb>	copy the Accept-Language line
[12:05:02] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: es,es-es;q=0.8,en;q=0.6,en-us;q=0.4,de;q=0.2
[12:05:30] <Duesentrieb>	hm, i would have thought that should result in "es". but maybe i'm not parsing it quite right :(
[12:05:45] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: Is it a bug, maybe ?
[12:05:51] <Duesentrieb>	maybe
[12:06:05] <Duesentrieb>	but you also have to specify which languages are *possible* for the language selector
[12:06:15] <Duesentrieb>	what did you define there?
[12:06:20] <txopi>	hi all. i want to reset WikiSysop's password but i don't have shell in the machine. can i make any UPDATE in the mw_user table that let me login as WikiSysop?
[12:07:07] <Duesentrieb>	actually, i made it accept all known languages per default... maybe that's broken.
[12:07:29] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: All of them . :) I do not want anyone to be discriminated.
[12:07:40] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: please put a bug report on the talk page there, giving your accept-language header. i'll try to look at it at some point. busy writing my thesis currently.
[12:07:44] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: It seems to work quite well.
[12:08:05] <Duesentrieb>	odd that it got the wrong thing for you at first, then
[12:08:13] <CIA-43>	03jojo * r31540 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: set content-type
[12:08:15] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Duesentrieb
[12:08:22] <Duesentrieb>	txopi: read the FAQ
[12:08:29] <txopi>	perhaps someone of you can give an url or so... i have been searching but i have found methods that require shell
[12:08:32] <adrian15>	Duesentrieb: is it this one of is it the LanguageSelector talk ? ??
[12:08:37] <txopi>	Duesentrieb: rtfm ok
[12:08:47] <txopi>	Duesentrieb: i'll check better :-D
[12:08:48] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: better at LanguageSelector talk
[12:09:17] <adrian15>	I suppose I must have a login in mediawiki in order to write there.
[12:09:19] <adrian15>	ok
[12:09:42] <Duesentrieb>	adrian15: huh? no you don't. it's a public wiki.
[12:09:55] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LanguageSelector
[12:10:44] <txopi>	Duesentrieb: i found the way: MD5(CONCAT(user_id, '-',  MD5('somepass')))
[12:10:54] <txopi>	thank you!
[12:11:06] <Duesentrieb>	txopi: yes. though it's easier to set the mail address and request a new pw via mail.
[12:11:27] <Duesentrieb>	or maybe not easier. as you like it :)
[12:13:00] <txopi>	Duesentrieb: aha
[12:13:16] <txopi>	Duesentrieb: i got the control again. ufff...
[12:13:30] <txopi>	thank you all and good bye
[12:13:47] <txopi>	mediawiki rocks!!
[12:17:17] <laurly>	trying to install mediawiki isnt it good enough that all the files are chmod read im still getting permisson denied
[12:17:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a link to Domas' Wikistats files from the Download page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13245 trivial; lowest; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mathias.schindler)
[12:17:37] <domas>	damn colors 
[12:17:47] <domas>	see, all lines with my name usually end up red
[12:17:52] <domas>	unless they have color coding internally
[12:17:58] <domas>	I see this channel being hilighted
[12:18:01] <domas>	open it, and can't find what hilighted
[12:18:02] <domas>	:)
[12:19:02] <laurly>	http://wiki.wowportal.dk/ any ideas?
[12:27:03] <domas>	laurly: make files readable by server
[12:27:19] <domas>	chmod -R a+r mwdir
[12:27:59] <domas>	laurly: and wowwiki is good enough for me!!!
[12:28:25] <laurly>	me to but this way i can test my bot with out bombing wowwiki
[12:28:50] <laurly>	mwdir?
[12:29:51] <laurly>	i did chmod -R a+r wiki already so all the files are readable its why i dont get it doesnt have access to them
[12:30:20] <laurly>	-rw-r--r--  1 linda linda   3139 2008-03-04 12:56 WebStart.php
[12:30:24] <laurly>	it should be readable
[12:34:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) request to turn on RCPatrol on da.wikiqoute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13246 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jan)
[12:35:06] <adrian15>	Is there any way of making relative html links ?
[12:35:12] <domas>	laurly: check if directories have x bits
[12:38:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Change url forming of ISBN Booksearch links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13247 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mathias.schindler)
[12:39:37] <laurly>	drwxr-xr-x 16 root   root 4096 2008-03-04 13:08 wiki.wowportal.dk
[12:40:23] <laurly>	this is silly i dont get it...
[12:43:36] <laurly>	hmm its not apachie no error logs
[12:56:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Selection of redirect only in Special:Whatlinkshere - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13248 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (chemicalbit)
[12:56:33] <mboman>	I need to export all articles out of Drupal as a RSS feed, but the RSS cuts off after a certain number of entries. How can I make Drupal to supply all articles as a RSS feed?
[12:59:30] <mondschein>	i have my own wiki. and i want to put autonumbering for headings true on default...is it possible or does every user has to go on mypreferences-... to put it(auto numbering for headings) on?
[13:09:55] <mboman>	oops, wrong channel
[13:18:07] <Torben>	hi
[13:18:42] <Torben>	does anybody know how to add a category to my own wiki and link an article to it?
[13:19:21] <OverlordQ>	just add it like you would any normal page
[13:50:14] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31541 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Extended new exporting code, added support for exporting implicit and special properties
[13:57:07] <mateusz>	Hi
[13:57:13] <mateusz>	how to put javascript in wiki?
[13:57:21] <mateusz>	I use jamwiki instead
[13:59:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  +comment (10bacher)
[14:05:01] <dragonballs>	quit
[14:14:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request to turn on RCPatrol on da.wikiqoute - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13246  (10N/A)
[14:31:42] <dragonballs>	hello guys
[14:32:33] <dragonballs>	I want to know is it legal to use mediawiki for commercial use?
[14:41:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable trigonometrical functions to #expr - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13216  (10rene.kijewski)
[14:43:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New Hook TitleUserCase for manipulation of names in MW. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13166  (10bacher)
[14:52:21] <flo__>	hi all. In my ArticleFromTitle hook fn i use 
[14:52:31] <flo__>	&$title->getNamespace()
[14:52:57] <flo__>	and it returns numbers 0 or 8 . 
[14:53:00] <flo__>	what's that pls?
[14:53:15] <flo__>	i expect the namespace text
[14:53:48] <flo__>	it's the NS id right?
[14:54:01] <Alvaro>	yes
[14:55:57] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31542 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): support filter for getSemanticData (query only required DB tables -> performance)
[14:57:08] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31543 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/ (SMW_Exp_Data.php SMW_Exp_Element.php SMW_Exporter.php): Update export structures, better support for URI modifiers (e.g. units), better support for type retrieval, improved default properties
[15:00:11] <Isnogud>	flo__: you can use Namespace::getCanonicalName($number) to get the appropriate string
[15:13:58] <flo__>	thx !
[15:15:28] <BjornW>	Hi, I wonder why some of my categories don't sort themselves into alpfabetical lists. Any clues would be most appreciated.
[15:33:05] <CIA-43>	03raymond * r31544 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesDe.php MessagesDe_formal.php): Localisation updates German (1.12)
[15:35:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232  (10hartman)
[15:41:11] <dpy>	does anyone know how bizzwiki is supposed to work?
[15:41:30] <dpy>	I followed the installation instructions, but there seems to be no documentation whatsoever
[15:41:42] <dpy>	(Extension:Bizzwiki)
[15:47:46] <dpy>	anyone seen Jean-Lou Dupont?
[16:07:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931  (10emmanuel)
[16:30:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:19:15] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31545 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_NAry.php export/SMW_Exporter.php): Naries without any units now return an empty string as unit as expected
[17:22:05] <Lummoxx>	Hiya, I have both postgresql and mysql installed on a server.  Postgresql is an old version, but is autoselected by the script.  Any way to force mysql?
[17:24:33] <Isnogud>	Lummoxx: autoselected by which script: the installer? Can't you just change it? If not, maybe you need the mysql module for php.
[17:25:23] <aBSDaemon>	Anyone know of a breadcrumbs trail that works for users not logged in?
[17:27:17] <Lummoxx>	Ah, painfully obvious...thanks Isnogud.
[17:27:38] <Isnogud>	Lummoxx: you are welcome
[17:29:12] <vi390>	are there wikiNotations for <quote> <blockquote> <cite> <em> 
[17:29:18] <CIA-43>	03btongminh * r31546 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php: Show whether the WriteApi is enabled in meta=siteinfo.
[17:37:03] <CIA-43>	03raymond * r31547 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php includes/EditPage.php): * (bug 13019) Message cache for some extensions not loaded at time of editing
[17:37:20] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Message cache for some extensions not loaded at time of editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13019  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[17:38:03] <CIA-43>	03raymond * r31548 10/trunk/extensions/FixedImage/ (FixedImage.i18n.php FixedImage.php): Add description message for [[Special:Version]].
[17:40:10] <Anarhist>	hello, even after running repair on all the tables in the database i still get 126 database error when i try to get wanted pages, is there anything else i need to look at?
[17:47:17] <CIA-43>	03rotem * r31549 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[17:50:35] <dpy>	has anyone here ever managed to succesfully configure BizzWiki ?
[17:50:50] <dpy>	the extension seems to be completely void of any documentation
[17:53:04] <vi390>	are there wikiNotations for <quote> <blockquote> <cite> <em>
[17:58:34] <paxed>	there's no temp variable storage or anything like that for parserfunctions?
[18:03:06] <Isnogud>	paxed: you want to store the values from variables?
[18:04:48] <paxed>	Isnogud: well, i think it's silly that i need to do eg. {{#explode:{{{1}}}|d|1}} several times in a single template...
[18:05:53] <aliver>	Hi folks, I wonder if I could get some help with a MediaWiki problem I have. I have a wiki that I moved from another machine (dumped the db and archived the PHP files). I tried to set it up on the new box and most things work fine. However, my major malfunction is that the articles don't have the proper urls in their href. Instead of being linked to http://wiki.mydomain.com/index.php/MyTopic they are missing the domain and say http:///index.php/MyTopic.
[18:05:54] <aliver>	I've edited everything I can in the config file and even re-ran the "config" script to no avail.
[18:06:30] <aliver>	The strange thing is that editing $wgScriptPath in the config just breaks things further and has no effect on the article URLs
[18:06:37] <paxed>	would be nice to have something like {{#setvar:a|foo}} which would set {{{a}}} value to foo.
[18:06:45] <Isnogud>	!backup | aliver 
[18:06:45] --mwbot--	aliver: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[18:07:06] <aliver>	Thanks, I'll read that.
[18:07:08] <Isnogud>	you should not just dump the database.
[18:08:23] <aliver>	I did pretty much exactly what that page says to do.
[18:08:34] <aliver>	and it does mention using mysql dump the same way I did.
[18:08:40] <aliver>	where did I go wrong, I wonder?
[18:08:46] <aliver>	I backed up the codebase, too.
[18:08:49] <Isnogud>	aliver: do the XML backup
[18:08:51] <aliver>	config files etc...
[18:09:09] <aliver>	Okay, I can try that.
[18:09:12] <aliver>	Is this a known issue?
[18:09:13] <Isnogud>	install the wiki and create everything from the xml dump.
[18:09:27] <aliver>	Alright, I will try that. 
[18:09:39] <Isnogud>	aliver: yes.
[18:09:48] <Anarhist>	vi390:  i believe that : at the beginning of the line does blockquote
[18:10:03] <Isnogud>	just read XML backup. there is some site related data that you might loose, or mess up things.
[18:10:04] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31550 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[18:10:04] <CIA-43>	AutoComplete cache stub
[18:10:04] <CIA-43>	rss-video export fixes
[18:10:29] <aliver>	Isnogud: okay, that's good to know. That must be the reason that you knew to point me at that page.
[18:10:37] <aliver>	thanks for the help
[18:10:50] <Isnogud>	you are welcome.
[18:14:29] <Silentrage>	how do I create the initial navbox so I can get going with creating templates based off of it? Everything I find uses {{navbox to start their templates.
[18:14:51] <Silentrage>	brb
[18:18:48] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: do we really want to load all messages on every edit?
[18:19:32] <Nikerabbit>	oh well, every edit to mediawiki
[18:19:36] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: for NS_MEDIAWIKI only
[18:20:00] <Raymond_>	maybe someone knows a smarter solution. I found nothing :(
[18:20:15] <Nikerabbit>	that's just waste of resourced for betawiki, but maybe we have quite specialised use case
[18:20:31] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: smarter solution would be to install translate extension :)
[18:21:11] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: sure :) 
[18:21:40] <Nikerabbit>	bah, maybe I just comment it out in betawiki :<
[18:28:58] <jimbojw>	technical question: I notice that User::clearSharedCache() calls $wgMemc->delete() to clear out memcache when a db write has occurred, since the memcache instances are not synced, is there any risk of pulling back a stale cached user object from a different memcache on a subsequent request?  I'm guessinig that individual memcache instances are tied to particular HTTP servers and that session...
[18:29:00] <jimbojw>	...affinity will prevent the user (in most cases) from jumping between HTTP servers - but that's a wild guess :/
[18:31:19] <jimbojw>	if requests are doled out round-robin or load-based within a particular HTTP server cluster, and the memcache instances do the same, then I'd think there's be occasional instances where the same user object gets pressed into multiple memcaches, and only one gets killed on clearSharedCache(), /unless/ there's another mechanism which checks whether the memcache served object is statle
[18:31:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) MediaWiki:Sidebar regularly falls back to an obsolete version, due to server cache effect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5092  (10Wiki.Melancholie)
[18:31:54] <jimbojw>	that is, if a trip to the db occurs anyway with some kind of key to indicate the version number of the appropriate object in memcache - but i don't see anything in the code about that
[18:37:14] <vi390>	hi there: are there in mediawiki WikiNotations implemented, that produce <quote> <blockquote> <cite> <em> in the HTML output ?
[18:37:57] <Isnogud>	!html | vi390 
[18:37:57] --mwbot--	vi390: For allowing any and all HTML, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRawHtml>. This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HTMLets>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:RawMsg> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SecureHTML>.
[18:38:34] <Anarhist>	vi390:  was i wrong in my previous response?
[18:39:42] <vi390>	Anarhist: nope I think that was right, but I need the others also
[18:40:37] <vi390>	well its not, that I want to use those Tags. Iam Asking myself, if there exists a notation for them in WikiLanguage
[18:40:41] <Isnogud>	Well. did you search the Documentation?
[18:41:16] <vi390>	Isnogud: Yes I did without success so far (though I havent checked the links from mwbot yet)
[18:42:12] <jimbojw>	haha - RawMsg made it into the HTML description from mwbot - that's excellent
[18:45:08] <Isnogud>	vi390: cite and em quote and blockquote may be used directly.
[18:45:15] <Isnogud>	vi390: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Markup_spec#v1.6_markup_tokens
[18:45:23] <Isnogud>	but not with Markup. 
[18:45:37] <vi390>	Isnogud: aah ok, thats what I needed to know.  
[18:45:53] <vi390>	Isnogud: is there any plan to implement this tags as WikiMarkup ?
[18:46:21] <Isnogud>	i don't think so. but you may search the bugtracker if there is a ticket for that.
[18:46:30] <Isnogud>	bugzilla.mediawiki.org
[18:47:27] <vi390>	ah ok... Ill do so. thanks
[18:51:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10Greg_L_at_Wikipedia)
[18:56:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create MediaWiki:robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13249 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (danny_b)
[19:00:18] <CIA-43>	03huji * r31551 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[19:00:18] <CIA-43>	* Adding/updating Persian translations
[19:00:18] <CIA-43>	* Moving 'editinguser' to user-rights section, as it has nothing to do with editing
[19:11:46] <mdale>	who is admin for Summer Of Code projects? will http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 be the meta page for this years SOC ?
[19:12:17] <brion>	mdale: the page on www.mediawiki.org
[19:12:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Bug: '&action=edit' and '&oldid=#' do not work well together - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13201  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[19:12:37] <brion>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008
[19:12:55] <brion>	ok, gotta run
[19:13:01] <mdale>	I am down to be a mentor for metavid stuff ... oky
[19:13:04] <brion>	grab me later or email me for further questions :D
[19:13:06] <brion>	awesome
[19:13:09] <brion>	put yerself on the list
[19:13:10] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) robots.txt changes for cs.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13237  +comment (10danny_b)
[19:13:17] <brion>	and welcome aboard the fun train :D
[19:18:41] <aliver>	I used the XML dump tool to dump a 1.5 version (legacy) media wiki into the most recent version (1.1, I think). At first I thought it didn't do anything because the main page is still the default mediawiki "getting started" stuff. However, when I do a search for one of my pages, it shows up. I used the command line dump and import tools. Any idea what might have gone wrong?
[19:19:15] <aliver>	I'm not using any browser or server caching.
[19:21:50] <jlerner__>	i know this is not the pywikipediabot channel - but is there a way to put some text at the bottom of the first section?
[19:21:52] <Silentrage>	how do I create the initial navbox so I can get going with creating templates based off of it? Everything I find uses {{navbox to start their templates.
[19:21:59] <jlerner__>	e.g. http://organizedwisdom.com/index.php?title=Tinea_Capitis&action=edit&section=1
[19:22:32] <jlerner>	...using the bot, that is - or some other batch method
[19:30:54] <Silentrage>	What's the code for the core navbox?
[19:32:37] <Silentrage>	Oh it's just a class?
[19:37:16] *Silentrage 	scratches his head
[19:40:53] <largos>	does anyone know why mediawiki 1.11.2 complains about php 5.0.x being buggy when I have 5.2.5 installed?
[19:41:05] <largos>	(http://wiki.ciscavate.org to see the error)
[19:43:58] <yawn>	q: i need to import >1000 pages into a mediawiki. these pages are available as plain text snippets - has someone on channel used exisiting scripts to accomplish this?
[19:51:27] <Nikerabbit>	largos: probably it is bugged too :D
[19:52:43] <largos>	Nikerabbit: bah..
[19:52:49] <largos>	probably likely ;)
[19:53:31] <jlerner>	yawn: you can use pywikipediabot - pagefromfile.py
[19:54:12] <jlerner>	or maybe maintenance/importTextFile.php
[19:54:25] <Nikerabbit>	regression in php are not unheard of
[19:55:46] <largos>	Nikerabbit: heh, regression testing on the other hand seems to be completely unheard of...
[19:57:17] <Dragonfly6-7>	is there any reason I can't view the newarticles log in chunks of 500 any more?
[19:59:20] <yawn>	jlerner: is that the page which is available for admins using special:import?
[20:01:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Namespace Request for trwikisource - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13176  normal->high (10serhat.er.95)
[20:01:03] <jlerner>	yawn: no
[20:01:25] <jlerner>	i've had luck using pagefromfile.py to what you're describing
[20:02:22] <largos>	hmm.. it sounds like mediawiki may be detecting a php4.x installation -- anyone know how I might verify this and fix it? (so it sees the 5.2.5 install?)
[20:02:28] <yawn>	jlerner: looks good!
[20:02:36] <yawn>	jlerner: thanks!
[20:03:26] <jlerner>	yawn: yw
[20:04:27] <WiZARDiST>	Hi guys!
[20:06:08] <WiZARDiST>	Who can help me with transporting WikiMedia DB?
[20:07:42] <domas>	omg
[20:07:46] <domas>	you have whole wikimedia db?
[20:07:49] <domas>	that must be terabytes!
[20:08:07] <WiZARDiST>	no no no ))
[20:08:08] <WiZARDiST>	i have my own wiki db
[20:08:13] <WiZARDiST>	wit my own pages
[20:08:36] <WiZARDiST>	but i uploaded an old dump and wiki now can't find that pages
[20:13:08] <Wiredtape>	is there a way to undo an import?
[20:13:21] <Dragonfly6-7>	special:Export
[20:13:27] <WiZARDiST>	no this's not a problem
[20:13:40] <Wiredtape>	Dragonfly6-7, was that to me?
[20:13:42] <WiZARDiST>	i'm getting my project from one hoster to another
[20:14:01] <Dragonfly6-7>	Wiredtape - yes, but bear in mind that I made it up.
[20:14:32] <Wiredtape>	huh? :-\
[20:15:19] <Dragonfly6-7>	Wiredtape - I have no idea what I'm talking about. I made it up.
[20:15:26] <Wiredtape>	ahh..
[20:15:30] <Wiredtape>	anyone else?
[20:17:25] <WiZARDiST>	)
[20:18:04] <Silentrage>	help please...
[20:19:07] <Silentrage>	someone
[20:19:16] <Wiredtape>	Silentrage, what's the problem?
[20:19:26] <WiZARDiST>	Silentrage: what&
[20:19:31] <WiZARDiST>	?
[20:19:37] <Silentrage>	I need to know howto create/enable the base navbox setup
[20:20:03] <Wiredtape>	look at common.css in wikipedia. and common.js
[20:20:33] <Silentrage>	I looked at those but I must be missing a step or something
[20:21:02] <Wiredtape>	silentrage, than look at my common.css and common.js and a template like {{recipe}} (http://www.wiredtape.com)
[20:22:17] <Silentrage>	ok gimme a sec
[20:25:21] <Silentrage>	What is the code for Template:Navbox ?
[20:25:52] <Wiredtape>	what do you mean?
[20:26:06] <Dragonfly6-7>	{{navbox}} ?
[20:26:56] <Silentrage>	Yes, what is teh code for that one?
[20:27:26] <Wiredtape>	Silentrage, your question makes no sense.. 1) you can take a look. 2) you don't need a template:navbox.
[20:28:54] <Silentrage>	Whenever I create a navbox I get nothing because template:navbox is not configured 
[20:29:08] <Silentrage>	Custom navboxes that is
[20:29:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (charlottethewebb)
[20:29:31] <Silentrage>	Am I being clear? It's kinda hard for me to explain
[20:29:49] <Wiredtape>	again, you dont "need" a template for that..
[20:29:56] <Wiredtape>	like i said, look at my recipe template
[20:30:08] <Wiredtape>	to make the navbox all you need is the div with the navbox id's
[20:32:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create MediaWiki:robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13249  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[20:32:47] <_sj_>	hmm.  I'm getting more serious and repeated memory failure errors...
[20:32:52] <_sj_>	how frustrating
[20:35:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 125M memory limit exhausted when editing nearly empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13233  +comment (10spidermannequin)
[20:35:22] <_sj_>	see that latest comment on the bug thread.
[20:35:57] <Silentrage>	Whenever I do that I just get a link to the word navbox
[20:36:07] <CIA-43>	03grondin * r31552 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/languages/MV_Messages.php: 
[20:36:07] <CIA-43>	*Update internationalization messages from BETAWIKI
[20:36:07] <CIA-43>	*Fix mistake in message name
[20:41:37] <Duesentrieb>	Silentrage: so... define the template, then?
[20:43:15] <aliver>	I used the XML dump tool to dump a 1.5 version (legacy) media wiki into the most recent version (1.1, I think). At first I thought it didn't do anything because the main page is still the default mediawiki "getting started" stuff. However, when I do a search for one of my pages, it shows up. I used the command line dump and import tools. Any idea what might have gone wrong?
[20:43:55] <aliver>	The import tool gave me no indication that there were any problems.
[20:44:20] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31553 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed display of timeline for mvd_pages extending past the current "view"
[20:44:44] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, do you by any chance know of a project that enabled "undo" of imports?
[20:45:00] <Wiredtape>	project=script/extension
[20:45:20] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: afer importing the dump, run refreshAll.php
[20:45:58] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: no, but if the import did not create a "current" revision of a page, it should be ok to somply remove the revisions it created
[20:46:30] <Wiredtape>	yeah, but you need to go through them one by one.. and on a massive import that's a bit of a problem..
[20:46:36] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: also, check the history of the main page. if the imported version of the main page is older than the dummy page (which is probably the case), you will see the dummy page (because the newest revison is shown as current)
[20:46:44] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: note that you are importing revisions, not pages
[20:46:52] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, thanks. will see if i can think of some solution. 
[20:46:55] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: backup, backup, back...
[20:47:36] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(there's only one way to learn to make backups: the hard way)
[20:47:39] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, that's not the problem. there is a backup of course. however, it's not very convinient while the wiki is running. what about current user edits and so on.. :)
[20:47:47] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(there's only one way to learn that this is true: the hard way)
[20:48:09] <Wiredtape>	:)
[20:48:38] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: write a smll script that fetches the page names and revision dates from the dump, and output it as a series of sql delete statements. run that against your database and pray you didn't screw up.
[20:48:57] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: oh, and make sure you remove all pages that then no longer have any revisions.
[20:49:00] <aliver>	Duesentrieb: okay, thanks for those tips. I'll make sure to run that script.
[20:49:19] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: beware that it make take a while. 
[20:49:28] <Duesentrieb>	(depending on the size of your wiki)
[20:49:41] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, and then i should rebuild all links no?
[20:49:51] <Duesentrieb>	Wiredtape: yes.
[20:50:24] <aliver>	Duesentrieb: unfortunately, I don't have a refreshAll.php (I'm using 1.1) is that something I have to download?
[20:50:30] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: oh, it's called rebuildall.php sorry
[20:50:33] <aliver>	np
[20:50:51] <Duesentrieb>	has ben around for quite a while though
[20:50:56] <Wiredtape>	Duesentrieb, ok thanks.. i'll see if i can also make this into some sort of patch for the main code.. could be useful to have.. 
[20:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: i very much hope you are using 1.11, not 1.1 though :)
[20:51:16] <Duesentrieb>	(i'm nto even sure 1.1 exists)
[20:51:21] <aliver>	yes, I just downloaded it, that's right.
[20:51:25] <Wiredtape>	1.1->1.11
[20:51:25] <aliver>	sorry for the confusion.
[20:51:48] <lorenzone92>	Hi!
[20:52:16] <lorenzone92>	I'd like to ask you some infos.......
[20:52:26] <aliver>	Yikes that script tries to get a raw mysql login with my user-id.
[20:52:36] <aliver>	I guess I'll have to edit it.
[20:52:46] <aliver>	Is that the only way to go ?
[20:52:52] <Duesentrieb>	aliver: uh, it *should* use adminsettings.php
[20:52:58] <Duesentrieb>	!adminsettings | aliver
[20:52:58] --mwbot--	aliver: AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details.
[20:53:12] <aliver>	oh yeah, I ran into that once already.. ugh. sorry.
[20:53:52] <lorenzone92>	My wiki's urls are www.domain.com/index.php/XXX but I'd like to remove the index.php like wikipedia and have an url like tbis www.domain.com/XXX
[20:53:53] <Duesentrieb>	common gotcha. but if adminsettings is not there, it should either complain, or use localsettings... but i have trouble with this before too. the command line scripts are a bit cluncky at times
[20:54:05] <lorenzone92>	can you help me?
[20:54:13] <Duesentrieb>	lorenzone92: don't put a wiki in the document root (either way). BAD IDEA.
[20:54:18] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems | lorenzone92
[20:54:18] --mwbot--	lorenzone92: 1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[20:54:27] <Duesentrieb>	!shorturl | lorenzone92
[20:54:27] --mwbot--	lorenzone92: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[20:54:34] <aliver>	Duesentrieb: thanks so much for the help anyhow.
[20:54:38] <Duesentrieb>	np
[20:54:54] <aliver>	that script is cranking away. I bet that or that + checking my versions will work.
[20:55:13] <lorenzone92>	there's an error with this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[20:55:28] <Duesentrieb>	lorenzone92: huh?
[20:55:52] <lorenzone92>	ah... they've trasnfered the page here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Short_URL
[20:56:24] <Duesentrieb>	no they have not.
[20:56:32] <Duesentrieb>	the latter is a redirect to the former
[20:56:36] <Duesentrieb>	both urls work
[20:57:20] <lorenzone92>	ok, thanks for the help!! :) Why you say that it's not a good idea putting file to the root dir?
[20:58:04] <aliver>	Duesentrieb: that worked! I did the rebuildall.php then rolled the front page back to an older version (instead of the default). That went exactly as you said. Thanks BIG dude. 
[20:58:46] <Duesentrieb>	\o/
[20:58:53] <aliver>	:-)
[20:59:03] <Duesentrieb>	hey brion
[20:59:18] *aliver 	dances his way outta the channel
[20:59:28] <brion>	yo
[20:59:48] *Duesentrieb 	thinks importDump.php should just print a message giving that advice.
[21:00:08] *ialex 	wawes to brion :)
[21:00:24] <lorenzone92>	mmh.. what do you mean for "document root"?
[21:01:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10azatoth)
[21:04:52] <CIA-43>	03mkroetzsch * r31554 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_NAry.php export/SMW_Exp_Data.php): Generate proper substructure for exporting n-ary property values (proper triple serialisation still to be done)
[21:05:52] <lorenzone92>	mmh.. what do you mean for "document root"?
[21:05:57] <AzaTht>	brion: why did bugzilla try to interpret the php-file as PHP???
[21:06:27] <AzaTht>	"Attachment is not viewable in your browser because its MIME type (application/x-php) is not one that your browser is able to display."
[21:06:48] <AzaTht>	for fuck sake!
[21:07:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Maintenance scripts do not work with Postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13251 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (davidlee)
[21:09:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <nowiki> inside a <pre> is not rendered on page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13238  +comment (10wiki.bugzilla)
[21:09:58] <alis>	hello
[21:10:16] <Markie996>	alis: hello
[21:10:16] <AzaTht>	lo'
[21:10:40] <alis>	are the article name used as primary keys in the db, or is there some kind of sid mechanisme ?
[21:10:52] <alis>	nism
[21:11:18] <Isnogud>	the names with there namespaces are used as primary keys in the page table.
[21:11:25] <alis>	ok
[21:11:56] <alis>	thanks
[21:11:58] <Isnogud>	alis: waht do you want to do?
[21:12:22] <Isnogud>	there was a kind of ER model for the MW database.
[21:14:09] <lorenzone92>	if i move my wiki's files to another dir of my hosting and i change the installation dir in LocalSettings.php will MediaWiki work?
[21:14:38] <alis>	no i'm watching flickr, youtube, and other sites and see that theur url are pretty obfuscated cos they use a sid for identify their stuff, and i'm wondering how confic checks are done in mw (php side or sql side)
[21:14:49] <kibble>	/hide
[21:14:52] <alis>	conflicts
[21:15:19] <alis>	or if there was a hideden sid mechanism
[21:15:32] <lorenzone92>	can someone help me?
[21:16:21] <alis>	lorenzone92: surely, but you should back up for security
[21:17:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance scripts do not work with Postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13251  +comment (10overlordq)
[21:17:17] <lorenzone92>	and for upgrading i have to overwrite all the files (except localsettings.php) and run another time the setup process?
[21:17:28] <Isnogud>	well. they use smthg. like a id to access the data in there software. Content Management System do that often. but it's not like you should do it.
[21:18:00] <Isnogud>	alis: well, since there is also a page id in the page table, yes there is another hidden mechanism. 
[21:18:34] <Isnogud>	but you in normal don't have to care.
[21:20:24] <Isnogud>	using a id to access data is crap, mostly. given a link http://fobar/index.php?sid=5558234&session_id=blablub does not tell anybody what you could expect to see on following the link.
[21:20:51] <lorenzone92>	To upgrade I have to overwrite all the files (except LocalSettings.php) and run another time the setup process, right? And the database tables won't be replaced?
[21:22:04] <Isnogud>	lorenzone92: i would think that you could move it and change the paths. but i am not sure. maybe yuou just make a XML dump to get your wiki back running if smthg. fails.
[21:23:35] <lorenzone92>	ok, and to upgrade? is it right?
[21:24:46] <Isnogud>	well, you could just make the XML dump install the new mw version and import the dump. maybe you have to run rebuildAll after that.
[21:25:32] <lorenzone92>	but for make the XML dump I have to access to the command line?
[21:25:42] <Isnogud>	!backup | lorenzone92 
[21:25:42] --mwbot--	lorenzone92: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[21:26:03] <Isnogud>	scroll down. it's down there somewhere.
[21:26:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please lock Yi Wikipedia - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10970  +comment (10gangleri)
[21:27:06] <lorenzone92>	mmh.. I don't have the access to the command line.....
[21:27:36] <CIA-43>	03ialex * r31555 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Skin.php Title.php): 
[21:27:36] <CIA-43>	* Removing some hardcoded 'edit' and 'move' restrict and replaced it $wgRestrictionTypes
[21:27:36] <CIA-43>	* Withespaces fixes in Title.php
[21:27:41] <lorenzone92>	i have to import/export all with Special:Export/Import.... but i'll lose users
[21:27:58] <Isnogud>	lorenzone92: what about Special:Export?
[21:31:34] <lorenzone92>	i can export pages with special:export but i won't save users....... i read somewhere that if I replace my old wiki files with the new version and i run the install script renaming localsettings.php i won't replace my tables and i'll properly upgrade my version
[21:31:59] <lorenzone92>	right?
[21:36:09] <Isnogud>	lorenzone92: right!
[21:36:35] <Isnogud>	i thought that i read before that you want to change the path or your wiki also.
[21:37:03] <lorenzone92>	ah.. nono :D
[21:37:11] <Isnogud>	but if you jsut want to upgrade then do it like described on the mediawiki page.
[21:37:14] <Isnogud>	!install
[21:37:14] --mwbot--	Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation>. See also: !download
[21:37:23] <Isnogud>	erm sorry. false
[21:37:25] <Isnogud>	!upgrade
[21:37:25] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[21:39:11] <CIA-43>	03dale * r31556 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[21:39:11] <CIA-43>	typo fixes
[21:39:11] <CIA-43>	maintenance updates
[21:46:52] <CIA-43>	03mark * r31557 10/trunk/ubuntu/autoinstall/pmtpa.cfg: 
[21:46:52] <CIA-43>	Change IP address info to the new public services info.
[21:46:52] <CIA-43>	This is a bit of a hack, as we have multiple VLANs now,
[21:46:52] <CIA-43>	and needs more sophisticated detection of which VLAN the
[21:46:52] <CIA-43>	server is in...
[21:49:21] <munda_>	can someone point in me in the right direction for info on installing an extension to manage namespace(s)?  I found something weeks ago but now that I've gotten around to doing it I can't find what I was looking at again. 
[21:51:22] <OverlordQ>	!extensionmatrix
[21:51:22] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "extensionmatrix".
[21:51:24] <OverlordQ>	bah
[21:51:38] <OverlordQ>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix
[21:52:08] <brion>	AzaTht: did you select auto-detect type, mebbe?
[21:52:18] <brion>	just edit the attachment and change its type to text/plain
[21:52:28] <AzaTht>	brion: yea
[21:52:30] <AzaTht>	ok
[21:52:35] <AzaTht>	though it's funky
[21:53:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  +comment (10azatoth)
[21:53:49] <AzaTht>	brion: done
[21:53:58] <aBSDaemon>	I have an extension that is user toggleable, but I want the default to be "Selected" instead of not selected
[22:00:08] <munda_>	OverlordQ: thanks :) 
[22:11:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Resizing of Some GIFs Rendering Poorly; Setting Needs Changing? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13252 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (yegg)
[22:13:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance scripts do not work with Postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13251  (10davidlee)
[22:51:29] <Wanderer>	How do you create an actual "title" for a page that will apear in a search?
[22:51:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Resizing of Some GIFs Rendering Poorly; Setting Needs Changing? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13252  (10brion)
[22:52:25] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31558 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (45 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-04 23:40 CET)
[22:57:53] <CIA-43>	03brion * r31559 10/trunk/release-tools/make-release.sh: Before I forget and lose it again, committing my release build script
[22:59:43] <hacked`>	guys
[22:59:47] <hacked`>	we're using mediawiki at work
[22:59:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250  (10N/A)
[23:00:13] <hacked`>	and is there any template already made, to create a schedule table
[23:00:46] <hacked`>	like, i want to plot which batch jobs start at which time, every day, etc.
[23:00:51] <hacked`>	dont want to reinvent wheel
[23:01:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance scripts do not work with Postgresql - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13251  (10overlordq)
[23:08:16] <MrZ-man>	hacked``: a basic table is pretty easy to make
[23:08:19] <MrZ-man>	!table
[23:08:19] --mwbot--	For help on creating tables in wikitext, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table> and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Tables>
[23:08:29] <hacked``>	tables are ugly
[23:08:59] <CIA-43>	03siebrand * r31560 10/trunk/extensions/ (140 files in 135 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-04 23:40 CET)