[00:01:26] Isnogud: yeah i agree [00:02:00] bye [00:05:52] I am trying to upgrade a wiki farm (multiple wikis each with own database). How can I run update.php so it applies to all or each database? [00:07:27] 03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162 (10brion) [00:08:28] matthew_: you have to run it once for each db. there's an option called --config (or some such) which you can use to specify the config file to use. [00:09:01] ah.. ok.. great.. thanks! [00:09:01] 03brion * r31561 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Add some debugging notes to User::isValidUserName() rejections [00:09:46] White_Cat: enjoy [00:12:09] Duesentrieb: i don't see where update.php references any command line parameters.. and.. actually, i have to execute via IIS because I am on windows. [00:12:43] matthew_: you can (and have to) run that from the command line under windows too. [00:13:24] matthew_: --config is a common option for all tools, it's used by commandLine.inc so it shold work everywhere. [00:13:33] don't ask for documentation, i don't think ther eis any :P [00:14:05] matthew_: maybe ask brion on how to run update.php for a wiki farm, he should have some experience with that :) [00:16:17] 03(mod) 125M memory limit exhausted when editing nearly empty page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13233 (10brion) [00:21:21] matthew_ I would second this question :) - brion? [00:21:56] we pass the dbname as the first parameter [00:22:09] --config ? [00:22:10] this is sort of hacked-in for wikimedia, but in many of my test installs i do it just in my LocalSettings.php [00:22:13] no no [00:22:16] only one config file is present [00:22:33] php maintenance/whatever.php enwiki --some-parameter=whatever [00:22:35] ok.. i am about to try that.. [00:22:57] anyone ever chop up Special:Search to also do some other queries? I'm going to do some GAL queries via Exchange 2k7 EWS [00:23:52] matthew_ report back on success.. [00:28:27] Wiredtape: I tried "php update.php --config mainwiki" from the command line and it just came back really quick without saying anything... [00:28:34] Hmmm, having some issue with interwiki transclusion... One templates is transcluded correctly, the other doesn't - the whole wiki page is transcluded ¬¬ [00:28:45] 03brion * r31562 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * (bug 13247) Prettified ISBN links [00:28:59] 03(FIXED) Change url forming of ISBN Booksearch links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13247 +comment (10brion) [00:29:16] matthew_ i think what brion was saying goes something like this: php update.php (am i correct brion?) [00:29:46] PHP and its silent errors [00:30:12] I was thinking about patching it so that it never gave a blank page on wikimedia ever again [00:30:24] but still we'd have a million shared hosts doing it, wouldn't we? [00:30:31] patching php? [00:30:53] yeah, you know, that's where you change some part of the source code [00:31:05] TimStarling: the only place i've ever seen silent errors was with mediawiki... i don't understand that myself. [00:31:24] 03(NEW) , and in ALL CAPS result in errors now - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13253 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (wiki.bugzilla) [00:31:24] they did something wierd with mediawiki.. php usually has errors. [00:31:25] ah. and i thought it's some dirty gay game. hehehe [00:31:34] they indeed... [00:32:34] Isnogud: that's quite an extraordinary mistake to make [00:33:00] do you have dirty gay games on your mind a lot? [00:33:17] anyone else think it's bad form to query your exchange server every time search results are displayed in the wiki? [00:34:17] matthew_: php in production usually does not have errors. they get turned off using the error_reporting directive. i'm nto sure if mediawiki touches those though. [00:34:48] matthew_: anyway, --config expects the full path to a configuration file. and yes, the command line cruft is cluncky and badly documented, if at all. [00:34:55] it does have errors [00:35:04] Duesentrieb: I don't know what it is, I've spends many hours trying to get errors turned on.. nothing in php.conf seems to work. [00:35:05] it just uses a blank page to tell the user about them [00:35:05] TimStarling: darn. was afk and not available for a return. [00:35:24] Duesentrieb: the config file--sorry, I gave it the database name... oops. [00:36:34] well. apart from that i wanted to ask nicely if you guys have any ideas of how to proceed on bug 13166. [00:36:41] matthew_: error_reporting and display_errors are teh two relevant settings. [00:37:17] matthew_: that's for "real" php errors. scripts may still silently fail if they are written to do so. [00:37:50] brion, TimStarling, could you have a look at the error at http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Verbesserungsvorschl%C3%A4ge/Feature-Requests/Archiv/2007&oldid=42760361 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13253 in addition? [00:38:18] 03(mod) Create MediaWiki:robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13249 (10brion) [00:39:25] given our other behavior with tag case insensitivity, i'd say the expected behavior is that and will behave the smae as and [00:39:28] Duesentrieb: giving the full and correct path also returned quickly without any messages.. [00:39:44] Duesentrieb: I hear mediawiki has a debug mode you can somehow turn on. [00:39:46] that sucks :) [00:39:55] !debug | matthew_ [00:39:55] --mwbot-- matthew_: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [00:40:11] matthew_: i', afraid id doesn't do much for command line scripts [00:40:48] brion, ok, i just noted that it's expected due to the former behaviour [00:40:53] Duesentrieb: still nice to have--i bookmarked that. I think I will try installing on a linux machine and then trying to update the databases from there.. [00:41:10] <_thom_> Hi, I've got users with a 1.5.5 mediawiki. When they go to hostname.domain.com/Wikiname, they're redirected to host/Wikiname and that's not accessible outside of the building. Should I be looking in the LocalSettings, somewhere in the database, or where exactly is it determining the path to put in front of all internal links? [00:41:45] _thom_: $wgArticlePath [00:41:49] in LocalSettings.php [00:42:09] or are you looking for the hostname? [00:42:18] that'd be $wgServer (normally autodetected from the server) [00:42:20] <_thom_> that looks like a concatenation of wgScript/$1 [00:42:27] if your server is reporting the wrong hostname, i recommend fixing your server [00:42:33] but you could just set $wgServer manually [00:42:51] <_thom_> I already updated /etc/hosts to have the full hostname and made sure there was a reverse for the machine in DNS [00:43:04] <_thom_> (and rebooted the machine) [00:43:52] <_thom_> hmm, well the wgServer is a good band-aid until I can figure it out, thanks. any idea where/how mediawiki looks for the servername? [00:44:18] _thom_: grep around for it [00:44:23] you'll turn it up [00:44:33] <_thom_> word, thanks [00:45:22] TimStarling: can you take a look at 13254 (the etc exception bug) [00:45:29] 03greg * r31563 10/trunk/extensions/Invitations/ (Invitations_obj.php invitations.postgres.sql): Add support for Postgres, fix some PHP errors. [00:45:33] my brain's exploding looking at that preprocessor code ;) [00:45:43] yes [00:45:48] <_thom_> got it, includes/DefaultSettings.php: $wgServerName = $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']; [00:45:54] <_thom_> makes sense ;) [00:46:05] well, it'd be nice to have another person understand it [00:46:10] brion: hmm, reading Erik's blog post now [00:46:18] words of condemnation :) [00:46:22] hit-by-a-bus risk [00:46:24] 03(mod) , and in ALL CAPS result in errors now - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13253 +comment (10brion) [00:46:26] AaronSchulz: no idea what you're referring to [00:46:35] brion: http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ [00:46:50] brion, the natives are restless about the newpages limit reduction [00:47:18] TimStarling - I'll understand if that limit isn't raised. Be somewhat disappointed, but I'll understand. [00:47:51] we could perhaps have a different limit for inclusion mode [00:48:07] TimStarling: the natives are more restless about the site dying ;) [00:48:11] but yes, we could do that [00:48:35] well, he didn't directly mention the Danny stuff, hmm [00:48:49] heh [00:49:16] Brad Patrick has called it "irresponsibly erroneous [00:49:17] " [00:49:52] brion: heh, anyway, I feel bad having just got back from the polls [00:50:11] there are always loads of judge candidates that I know shit about [00:50:36] teh, I only live here for school ;) [00:50:41] brion: Have a problem with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13252 [00:50:48] Dragonfly6-7: where is that? [00:51:06] brion: we are trying to do some cleanup on incubator. do you think you could find 2 mins to set up a ns alias, pls? (bug 13231) thank you. if any prerequisities, just say, i'll prepare it. [00:51:35] brion, thanks for helping out on the update.php question :) [00:51:47] AzaTht: got any suggestions on changing options to convert? i'm not gonna get around to experimenting on it [00:51:56] brion: I tried to convert the image using the same parameters as MW does; [00:51:58] convert -background white -size 281 Techcrunch.gif -coalesce -thumbnail 100x19\! -depth 8 /home/azatoth/public_html/Techcrunch.gif [00:52:05] got http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/Techcrunch.gif [00:52:16] AzaTht: more legible, but still ugly ;) [00:52:26] did I miss an parameter? [00:52:33] How comes an interwiki transclusion transcludes not the article content, but the whole rendered wiki page? Is that a bug? [00:52:34] yes, it's still ugly ツ [00:52:41] but that not the current issue [00:52:50] brion: did you vote in the primary? [00:53:04] AaronSchulz: in theory... provisional ballot, i'm not sure they got my registration in right [00:53:06] brion: using ImageMagick 6.3.3 fyi [00:53:13] Danny_B: sec [00:53:14] skiidoo: {{raw:interwiki:pagename}} [00:53:18] brion: perhaps it went to dev/null [00:53:20] hmmmm [00:53:27] 'i'? that kinda............. .eww? [00:53:56] skiidoo: it should include rendered html, but without any skin elements. the reason for including on the html level is, as far as i understand, thefact that only the source wiki actually knows how to render the wiki text properly [00:54:12] 03(mod) Create I alias for Project namespace on Incubator - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13231 (10brion) [00:54:17] brion: did I miss anything? [00:54:19] skiidoo: the source wiki knows all the right pathes, namespace names, interwiki prefixes, etc. [00:54:44] Duesentrieb: but adding raw: before it like in my example will return the raw wikitext [00:54:49] MrZ-man: raw:interwiki? that actually works? [00:54:54] yes [00:54:57] I didn't used the raw keyword. [00:54:59] huh, wow [00:55:04] brion: it's already been used for pretty long time [00:55:07] substituting it should return raw text too [00:55:24] MrZ-man: "return" as in "use" or as in "show verbatim"? [00:55:38] I don't remmeber [00:55:40] skiidoo: do you have a blog somewhere? [00:55:42] *remember [00:55:48] heh [00:56:03] AaronSchulz: yes, but for what I use it.. quite orphean blog if you ask me :) [00:56:05] showing it seems pointless, and using it seems... likely to break [00:56:09] brion: what would you say about a hook that lets you modify the order CSS and JS is applied in ? [00:56:20] AaronSchulz: And I dont think my blog would kill the interwiki transclusions? ;) [00:56:32] skiidoo: ever here of Steven Novella? [00:56:53] Skizzerz: i'd like a nice solution that cleans up the mess script-injection is right now, featuring something like numbered slots. [00:57:04] Danny_B: how eeeeeeevil :) [00:57:10] that should be do-able [00:57:11] AaronSchulz: now I've read the en: wikipedia page, you're scaring me! [00:57:27] AzaTht: sorry dunno what you mean. too many things going on [00:57:36] Skizzerz: please read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184 [00:57:44] brion: it's been used almost for two years http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex/I: eg. I:A is from aug 2006 [00:58:01] Skizzerz: if you manage to solve this nicely, you get a cookie :) [00:58:03] brion: ugh, I feel embarrassed. I found some old pictures of Hillary Clinton and she looks kind of cute to me! [00:58:08] *Skizzerz works on it [00:58:12] and unless brion fixed it or you change it in the database, you can't use 'raw' for transcluding wikimedia, or any site that uses short URLs and 1.12 or 1.13 [00:58:21] *AaronSchulz splashes water in his face [00:58:28] skiidoo: how so? [00:59:33] AaronSchulz: well, what's the link between my interwiki transclusions issue, a blog I may have and a clinical neurologist specialized in neuromuscular disease ? [01:00:10] You're somewhat transcluding my mind out of where it should stick :p [01:00:41] hmm, just wondering if you were someone in particular [01:01:22] brion: your silence is telling :) [01:02:26] I am particular for sure. But maybe not the right one you were thinking about. [01:02:36] 03(mod) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250 (10brion) [01:03:21] brion: hmm [01:05:05] brion: checking with my local install, the severe degrading of the gifs are local to your imagemagick usage [01:05:25] are you even sure you are using imagemagick to create the thumbs? and not gd? [01:05:34] see http://aza.nehle.net/~azatoth/srcwiki/index.php/Image:Techcrunch.gif?action=purge [01:06:05] 100px wide thumbnail [01:06:16] MrZ-man: if I use {{raw:interwiki:pagename}} in the target wiki, it means that the source wiki will send the raw content, and the target wiki will render it? [01:06:26] no [01:06:29] it should [01:06:38] Hmmm, interesting... [01:06:50] skiidoo: I don't know, but logically, it shouldn't [01:08:00] 03tstarling * r31564 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (Preprocessor_DOM.php Preprocessor_Hash.php): Fix bug 13253: foo causes exception [01:08:44] Is there such a thing as a page template? Is there a tutorial for page templates? [01:09:40] MrZ-man, AzaTht: well, I just tried, and it looks like the target wiki renders the raw wikitext sent by the source wiki. [01:09:56] ok [01:10:09] Which doesn't solve my issue though, but it's interesting, I didn't know about raw: .. [01:10:25] skiidoo: what do you want to solve? [01:10:46] TimStarling, thanks for the quick fix :-) [01:11:21] AzaTht: in the target wiki, I transclude two templates from the source wiki. One renders quite ok, but the other doesn't: it returns the whole rendered wiki page (from to ) [01:11:47] hmm [01:11:52] that's not useful ツ [01:12:02] Well, in fact it will be [01:13:07] My goal is this one: I want a wiki with some HTML forms (and the JavaScript that process it). I dont want anyone to be able to put HTML in the pages. So the easy way is it have a public wiki, with HTML disabled, that anyone can edit ; and a private wiki, where edits are reserved to trusted people, which allows HTML. [01:14:04] !HTML [01:14:04] --mwbot-- For allowing any and all HTML, see . This is of course VERY DANGEROUS. Safer options include , and . [01:14:46] Yeah, I've read about it, that's why the private wiki would be, well, a private wiki. [01:19:11] 03(FIXED) , and in ALL CAPS result in errors now - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13253 +comment (10tstarling) [01:19:16] Hmm, well, I've misread Extension:RawMsg the last time I've been looking into that... [01:19:50] Looks like it could be a good way to insert HTML, withotu having to deal with user rights and interwiki transclusions... [01:27:01] Hmmm, and following it lead me to find out a leack in my plans [01:29:00] It looks like the source wiki sends the rendered article - so the HTML can be transcluded - but then the target wiki's Parser can screw things up again in certain circumstances, specially because of Tidy and some white spaces and lists processing [01:31:16] My private/public wiki combo plan is doomed! Doomed I say! That was too simple. I'll test RawMsg tomorrow, it sounds like it could do the trick somehow.. [01:42:49] Hello, I think that I am caching really heavily, as I have made updates to MonoBook.php but the changes are not showing up on the site. I have refreshed my clients and even rebooted the server. How can I reset the internal mediawiki cache? [01:43:52] eghjaytee: try restarting apache and see if that works [01:44:09] owait, you did that already, nevermind =/ [01:44:44] yeah this is caching heavy [01:45:06] see if you can find the cache files in the filesystem and delete them? i really don't know... [01:45:40] does mediawiki normally use a lot of memory? [01:45:52] mediawiki doesnt use any memory [01:46:12] *MrZ-man wonders where its all going then [01:46:30] it is php brother, and your web server [01:49:54] on Wikipedia.org their commas stay commas like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego,_California. On my wiki, it gets url encoded like the "Chinese New Year" link (http://sandiegowiki.discoversd.com/wiki/San_Diego_Events%2C_Festivals%2C_and_Parades#Chinese_New_Year). How can I disable url encoding? [01:57:24] works for me: http://sandiegowiki.discoversd.com/wiki/San_Diego_Events,_Festivals,_and_Parades [01:57:57] it's the same on each wiki as far as I can see [01:58:08] links go to %2C, but it doesn't redirect if you use a comma [02:21:37] 03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10brianriab) [02:24:35] 03(mod) Links unclickable in rtl wikis when using simple skin under Firefox - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13229 (10gangleri) [02:28:32] 03(NEW) __HIDDENCAT__ leaves box when no categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 normal; high; MediaWiki: Categories; (soxred93) [02:31:06] Hello is there a text limit on an entry for mediawiki? I tried to make an entry of a whole book in text format [02:31:30] and it left the entry blank as if nothing happened [02:31:55] your browser probably timed out while sending all of that data over [02:32:53] hmm that's possible...I'm using firefox and ubuntu do you think that could have something to do with it? [02:36:49] 03(mod) Redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:38:54] I think you're right it only lets me input so much text a a time [02:39:04] *at a time [02:39:23] is there a browser that will not time out i wonder? [02:39:46] probably not [02:39:54] why don't you just submit a chapter at a time? [02:40:22] let me try that and thanks [02:42:40] it only lets me submit one large paragraph at a time hmm...I must do some research into browsers [02:45:15] if the browser timed out there would have been a message. [02:45:54] did you see something like a timeout message. or the server is not responding or so? [02:46:55] 03(mod) en.wikipedia redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 summary; +comment (10brianriab) [02:47:27] no message that indicated a time out [02:49:52] i think it's the browser though [02:50:04] i try to undo my edit and i got this message [02:50:05] WARNING: This page is 60 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections [02:50:40] 03(mod) en.wikipedia redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10brianriab) [02:50:56] that message is just for IE5 Mac [02:51:17] or some other ancient browser [02:51:32] I see well I'm on firefox and using ubuntu so I got the latest [02:51:46] evening folks. [02:52:05] I was able to input a chapter in after a second try :) [02:52:07] lo [02:52:14] well Atlantiz neither firefox nor ubuntu should cause this. [02:52:33] i've spent the last hour scouring faqs and manuals, does anyone know how to disable all page titles. I found the CSS hack in the manual for the Main_page, but not all. [02:52:34] 03(mod) en.wikipedia redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [02:53:03] lokidecat: disabling titles? what do you mean by disabling? [02:53:29] you know when you click on a page, it brings up the page with the link name as it's first line? I wanted to supress that [02:53:42] so the page name isn't on the actual page. [02:53:56] h1 {display: none} [02:54:06] don't tell me it's that easy. =P [02:54:17] i'll have a date with a spork and my eyeball [02:54:31] take a spoon. [02:54:38] hurts more :) [02:54:59] "cuz it's dull you twit, it'll hurt more" - robin hood [02:55:01] the tricky thing about the main page title hack is making it specific to the main page [02:55:18] it's easier to just hide all titles on all pages [02:55:21] exactly. and i think the title it's referringto is the window bar title, not necessarily the page title [02:55:36] so my question's verbiage was a little skewed. [02:59:07] okay it's half-working. gah hate working with skins. so many silly CSS all daisy chained off each other. but I'll figure it out! [02:59:47] 03(mod) en.wikipedia redirect table is missing 1 million entries (~50%) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10brianriab) [03:02:09] yay! it worked! if I could kiss you TimStarling, I'd.. uh.. send Scarlett Johansen to do it for me. [03:02:23] (big thanks) [03:02:26] 03(mod) Wikimedia redirect tables are missing many entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 summary; +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [03:06:08] lol loki [03:09:55] another oddity, but i'll figure it out. my main template is setting page width to 777, yet it's displaying about 950. that one i'll track down. [03:18:32] 03(mod) Wikimedia redirect tables are missing many entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10brianriab) [03:28:18] 03skizzerz * r31565 10/trunk/extensions/EditSubpages/EditSubpages.php: Fixing reference in array_unique (didn't catch the first time) [03:29:08] 03(mod) Wikimedia redirect tables are missing many entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10931 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [03:45:58] 03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232 (10herd) [03:50:24] 03simetrical * r31566 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) [03:50:24] Add --old-redirects-only option to maintenance/refreshLinks.php, to add old [03:50:24] redirects to the redirect table. This may be worth trying out on at least some [03:50:24] of the smaller wikis. It seems to work correctly, and pretty quickly for a [03:50:25] couple thousand redirects to fix, although truncating the redirect table and [03:50:27] running it inevitably gives a different number (probably due to incorrect [03:50:29] redirect table entries to start with). With the limit options, it might be [03:55:11] damn, I forgot to commit a file that I added to cortado yesterday [03:55:15] I have to restart into linux to get it [04:01:26] 03simetrical * r31567 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Note this too [04:10:27] 03tstarling * r31568 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/cortado/src/com/fluendo/jst/WaitStatus.java: Forgot to commit this file [04:15:14] 03(mod) "Templates used on this page" should have edit links after them if they editable. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11904 +comment (10brianriab) [04:38:43] 03(mod) secure.wikimedia.org has interwiki links to insecure sites - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5440 +comment (10azatoth) [05:13:45] Before anybody says anything, I goggled this error to death and am getting nowhere. [05:13:56] installed latest on my own website but when I try to do any article creation or editing I get the following: [05:14:06] "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in." [05:14:31] anybody seen a fix for this? [05:15:04] hello [05:15:28] Illusioneer: are you sure you googled to death? I think it's in the FAQ. [05:15:49] Werdna: there is one reference to it, that assumes I am on Sourceforge which I am not [05:15:55] apparently not. [05:16:12] I'm having an issue with passwords being rejected after migrating wikidb sql database from a box running 1.9 to another box running 1.11 [05:16:13] It's the same issue as this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FAQ#...do_I_get_logged_out_constantly.3F [05:18:42] the problem isn't that I am being logged out [05:19:03] i mean if the top right corner is to be believed it still shows me logged in [05:23:53] infact, even after running changePassword.php maintenance script, passwords are still being rejected as invalid [05:25:58] Illusioneer: for each session, MediaWiki assigns an edit-token to limit the impact of XSS attacks [05:26:15] you need to have that edit token, which is stored server-side and associated with your session, to submit an edit. [05:26:36] That error message appears if the token (wpEditToken) is not passed with the edit. [05:37:13] seemed to be fixable by disabling "strong password" extension [05:38:07] AaronSchulz: poke [06:33:26] 03tstarling * r31569 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/cortado/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Ported the source info scripts from shellscript to Java to allow building on Windows. Plus it's nice to use a real language, say, one where you can compare empty strings without prepending "x". [06:38:04] of course you can do that in bash, but everyone still puts the x in, just in case you happen to be running on irix or something [07:04:55] if ((res = open (this)) == false) [07:04:56] return res; [07:05:08] think about it, it's a statically typed language [07:05:29] it's amusing code [07:09:21] TimStarling: which language is that? looks kinda like java [07:09:47] but java is OO.. I'd expect open to be a function of an object rather than a global function [07:09:49] mmmm [07:09:53] no brion means no fun [07:10:01] *White_Cat gets depressed [07:10:15] we have tim :) [07:11:19] it's java, and open is indeed a function of an object [07:11:49] in particular, it's a protected member function of com.fluendo.plugin.AudioSinkJ2 [07:12:29] ah, java doesn't have the notion of "You can't call a member function without calling it on the object this" [07:12:42] I bet there's a technical name for that rule. [07:13:02] anybody knows where I can find koloss (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Kolossos) who did a lot of work concerning geoloaction: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Georeferenzierung/Wikipedia-World/en [07:13:24] like C++, java has an implicit "this" for calls of methods of the same object [07:13:28] Werdna but tim would not help me [07:13:37] I dont think this is his field [07:13:41] unlike C++, it doesn't actually have any global functions [07:13:45] I was told brion was the expert [07:13:49] White_Cat: on what? [07:13:50] so it's a lot less ambiguous than it is in C++ [07:13:52] why not just ask? [07:13:53] *White_Cat bows in brions general direction [07:13:57] Werdna oh [07:14:03] a bug on charset issue [07:14:05] let me link [07:14:45] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162 [07:15:12] TimStarling: ah. I like a mix of OO and functional, myself. OO feels too contrived and I feel like I spend forever setting up. functional without objects gets a little silly - having to pass objects as parameters the whole time, when they're obviously better-placed as objects on which methods are called) [07:15:37] Werdna like the bug? [07:16:11] White_Cat: read the last comment. [07:16:35] indeed, it looks like a non-bug [07:17:18] maybe it's a bug with the input method or something [07:17:25] if so, we might have to work around it [07:17:39] so it'd be nice to have some more input on that [07:17:53] no it isnt [07:18:04] I will have to restart soon in order to disable my audio [07:18:07] in malaylam language without that character the word changes meaning [07:18:19] it's a /control character/ [07:18:48] Werdna not entirely correct [07:19:08] you see malaylam language seems to be using 4 bit characters [07:19:24] these bits can be control characters [07:19:48] they however are not used like control characters and make up the letter [07:20:21] back in a few minutes [07:20:44] Werdna when you remove the last char you loose the u like shape on the last character [07:21:24] I don't know enough about unicode to confirm or deny that. Wait for brion to reply on the bug itself. [07:21:41] he said he'd fix it today [07:21:59] I have already assembled a SWAT squad to make sure [07:24:24] Werdna so how are ya? [07:24:33] mybe you can help me with some other bug [07:26:11] *Werdna hides [07:26:30] 03(mod) Numberlists are sometimes broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13208 (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [07:26:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034 [07:26:47] Werdna see the URL I posted [07:27:44] what URL? [07:27:55] I can confirm [07:28:02] 07:19 < White_Cat> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13034 [07:28:29] if you type m:IRC into the search box, it takes you to the article for "IRC", rather than properly redirecting to the meta page on IRC [07:29:01] oh, so you've stopped talking about malayalam now? [07:29:46] yes [07:29:56] 07:13 < White_Cat> Werdna when you remove the last char you loose the u like shape on the last character [07:29:59] 07:13 < Werdna> I don't know enough about unicode to confirm or deny that. Wait for brion to reply on the bug itself. [07:30:02] 07:14 < White_Cat> he said he'd fix it today [07:33:40] good morning if i want to get the email function going from my own wiki i only have to put $wgenableemail= true°? so if i have that parameter true an the email still isn't working it's a php konfiguration problem right!? [07:34:00] no [07:34:08] unless you did capitalise it properly [07:34:15] yeah [07:34:22] of course [07:34:25] $wgenableemail is not the name of the variable, $wgEnableEmail is [07:34:41] and you need to be more specific than "isn't working" [07:34:57] is it throwing an error message? is it failing silently? is it running off and sleeping with your girlfriend? [07:35:21] no error but no email [07:35:22] kinda [07:35:41] have you tried multiple email addresses? [07:35:50] well it says that a confirmation code was send to the new user but the user doesn't receive an email [07:35:53] yes [07:36:13] have you tried enabling the debug log file, and checking for errors in that? [07:36:23] is $wgPasswordSender set? [07:36:48] mhm mom i have to look but i think yes wait [07:36:56] 03(NEW) Option to disallow special page transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13255 major; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (rene.kijewski) [07:37:58] i looked thourgh the debug log again and searched for the keyword email...it appears one time in an url [07:38:44] yes passwordsender my own email adress is set [07:39:14] so it has to be the smtp konfiguration in my php.ini!? [07:39:22] could be [07:39:31] or did i miss any important "wiki konfiguration"? [07:39:57] if i have enable email and passwordsender set....any other important parameter? [07:40:43] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_settings [07:42:28] well this list of parameters is kinda refusing me...because if i use the normal email function i don'T even have to set $wgsmtp...?! [07:44:58] what do you guys say? [07:45:03] or think [07:47:10] TimStarling well [07:47:24] I dont know your expertise :P [07:47:33] *White_Cat is a hardcore brion fan [07:48:37] *Splarka , with a large T painted on his face, smashes a lager can on his forehead and throws a chair at White_Cat [07:51:27] TimStarling is there an easy way to register accounts [07:51:33] capcha is rather annoying [07:52:17] if there were, it would kinda defeat the purpose, wouldn't it? [07:52:28] no [07:52:41] maybe you should rephrase your question [07:52:43] good users such as myself should be able to "somehow" register [07:52:53] TimStarling I want tocreate accounts on multiple wikis [07:52:57] how many? [07:52:59] capcha is getting in the way [07:53:06] TimStarling preferably every wiki [07:53:10] what for? [07:53:16] I am a commons admin and I need to delink images form time to time [07:53:24] I also hope to operate a bot on all wikis [07:53:35] well, bot needs to be approved by each wiki. [07:53:39] yes [07:53:47] so you can create them as they're approved [07:53:53] no [07:53:59] you need to create them first [07:54:03] file a request [07:54:06] make test edits [07:54:10] get bot flag [07:54:16] etc etc [07:54:23] but creating accounts is a bit difficult [07:54:28] why? [07:54:38] because of capcha it takes too much time [07:54:49] oh noes, typing in two words. [07:54:57] not two words [07:55:02] for 100 wikis thats 200 words [07:55:04] nothing compared to, you know, typing up a request for each individual wiki. [07:55:05] yes there is a captcha bypass password [07:55:13] added for the benefit of people running interwiki bots [07:55:22] if you are one of those people, then you may have it [07:55:30] TimStarling i am yes [07:56:01] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat#Bots [07:56:12] those are the bots I operate [07:56:21] greens are with botflag [07:56:31] it isnt many [07:56:34] but I try [08:03:10] i wish we had a more generic way to generate the sql schema [08:03:22] it'd make supporting additional databases much easier [08:03:44] 03tstarling * r31570 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/cortado/ (build.xml scripts/GetSourceInfo.java): Fix for last commit [08:23:18] how can i edit the link in the toolbox for my own wiki!? [08:26:01] for example if i want to switch links which are in the toolbox!? [08:26:25] you can find the appropriate messages in Special:Allmessages [08:26:59] thx [08:28:23] mondschein: you can edit everything in the sidebar *except* the toolbox. the toolbox is context-dependant. you can change the labels used there, but not what shows up, or where it links. [08:28:34] for editing the navigation box etc, see here: [08:28:35] !sidebar [08:28:35] --mwbot-- To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [08:28:41] mhm there is a special page tollbox but it's blank :( [08:28:43] like for the navigation box there exists a page mediawiki:sidebar and there i can awitch links etc. [08:28:56] yeah i know i want to edit the toolbox [08:29:00] mon: what do you want to do to it? [08:29:12] you can hide things with CSS, you can change them after page load with JS (both are imperfect) [08:29:19] i want to put the links recent changes from navigation box in to the toolbox [08:29:20] mondschein: as i said, the toobox it automatic. it's content changes depending on what kind of page you are viewing. because of that, there's no place top edit the contents [08:29:47] the only way to put additional stuff there would be to actually hack the code. and putting navigational links into the toolbox isn't really a good idea [08:30:26] mhm ok thanks duesentrieb so the only way is to edit the php.page right!? [08:30:42] well, that's not the *only* way... [08:31:01] ? what other "ways" are possible!? [08:32:00] Skin.php or SkinTemplate.php i think. but that sucks. it would be better if you could make it an extension and use a hook. MonoBookTemplateToolboxEnd sounds good - or use SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec [08:32:24] customizing skins using hooks is quite tricky though. prepare for a steep learning curve :P [08:32:47] well, not *that* terrible. but not really nice and friendly [08:32:50] mhm well the propblem is i don't know how to implement hooks and i don't have so much time :( [08:33:00] then don't mess with the toolbox [08:33:04] because it's for my work [08:33:27] why is it imortant if those links are in the toolbox or in the navigation box? [08:33:33] addOnloadHook(function() { addPortletLink('p-tb','/wiki/Special:RecentChanges','Recent changes','t-rc'); }); [08:33:45] Splarka: js sucks for this [08:33:57] Splarka: you want people with no js have no access to the links? [08:33:57] sure, but so does hacking the core code, makes upgrading icky [08:34:03] 03mkroetzsch * r31571 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Proper triple serialisation for bnodes, documentation of bnode conventions in SMW_Exp_Element.php [08:34:03] if i want to programm hooks where do i have to start? [08:34:07] Splarka: that's why i sugegsted hooks [08:34:09] Duesentrieb: you want him to not be able to upgrade? ^_^ [08:34:10] they do exist... [08:34:18] Duesentrieb: you'd need to remove the other link in js too [08:34:24] exactly [08:34:25] iam a she ;) [08:34:27] so you either get the default or the custom one, but not an evil hybrid [08:34:28] just add CSS to hide them [08:34:32] girls can't do php [08:34:34] *Splarka hides [08:34:35] js, not css [08:34:40] otherwise it'll break for people with css and without js [08:34:41] mondschein: can't be, it's DER Mondschein :P [08:34:43] flyingparchment: CSS via js [08:34:45] ah I can [08:34:45] obviously [08:34:47] ah [08:34:50] :D [08:34:58] so mean!!! [08:35:02] hehe [08:35:04] heh [08:35:19] so about hooks they are in php!? [08:35:32] !extensions | mondschein [08:35:32] --mwbot-- mondschein: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See for an overview of known extensions. [08:35:37] !hooks | mondschein [08:35:37] --mwbot-- mondschein: Hooks allow you to run functions at various points in the main MediaWiki code. For more information about using hooks in MediaWiki, see . [08:36:00] ok thanks for the help :) [08:36:02] on en.wp the JS would be: [08:36:02] addOnloadHook(function() { [08:36:02] addPortletLink('p-tb','/wiki/Special:RecentChanges','Recent changes','t-rc'); [08:36:02] document.getElementById('n-recentchanges').style.display='none'; [08:36:02] }); [08:36:09] mondschein: you'd probably want this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/MonoBookTemplateToolboxEnd [08:36:17] mondschein: the documentation is a bit limited though :) [08:36:17] fallback to default action, no harm no foul, stylistic only [08:36:38] kinda [08:36:44] ;) [08:36:51] Splarka: yea, or move just the element. would work. [08:36:56] sure [08:36:59] could do that with CSS too [08:37:05] make a splinter nav box and stick it below search [08:37:25] mondschein: you do know you can have multiple portlets via MediaWiki:Sidebar, right? [08:37:26] so the "extension"/ hook for the kind of "operation" i want to do already exists? [08:37:38] with lots of absolute positioning... bah. monobook uses too much of that as it is [08:37:48] mondschein: yes [08:37:57] no need to make things overlycomplex [08:38:11] though i'm a girl yes i know...but the css is horrible i already programm ci [08:38:26] Splarka: i usually find php hacks much easier than messing with the layout in js :) [08:38:47] eww [08:39:02] so could i edit this additional portlet via the wiki interface!? [08:39:05] some people find rebuilding their car easier than changing the oil regularly, too ^_^ [08:39:19] mondschein: you can add portlets using the sidebar config [08:39:26] well but at the end it looks really nice [08:39:28] mondschein: top level items are protlety in that cconfig. [08:39:38] * portlet header [08:39:39] ** item [08:39:41] * another portlet header [08:39:43] mondschein: this goes for everything in the sidebar, with the exception of the toolbox (and the search box) [08:39:53] ahhhhhhhhh i didn't know that [08:39:55] though they all appear between the search box and logo (in monobook) by default [08:39:57] mondschein: read the sidebar docs (first link i gave you) [08:40:03] Duesentrieb: and langlinks [08:40:11] ah, yea, i forget [08:40:16] tsk! [08:40:20] think of the children! [08:40:24] >_< [08:40:38] and the logo, p-cactions, and personal are in the sidebar too [08:40:44] just css'ed out and up ^_^ [08:40:58] easier to say "everything between the logo and search" [08:40:59] well, yes, i meant visually [08:42:41] oh that's good thanks for the tipp it's a way much better way [08:43:41] 14(DUP) __HIDDENCAT__ leaves box when no categories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13254 +comment (10dungodung) [08:43:43] 03(mod) An article with only hiddencats show an empy category box - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13234 +comment (10dungodung) [08:43:47] :) [08:46:30] !seen jldupont [08:46:30] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "seen". [08:47:44] is there an SQL abstraction API i could write a database class for, allowing us (perhaps less efficient, but easier) support for other databases? [08:47:50] in php, that is [08:51:32] flyingparchment: i havn't tried any, but this sounds good: http://pear.php.net/package/MDB2 [08:51:55] flyingparchment: there's also http://adodb.sourceforge.net/ [08:53:32] is there any way to get a backtrace in java without throwing an exception? [08:53:55] TimStarling: the easy way: create an exception, but don't throw it. [08:54:22] TimStarling: you can also grab a stack trace as a list of frames, since 1.4 i think (or only 1.5?), but i have to dig for it [08:54:36] handy [08:54:39] thanks [08:54:46] there's a method of Throwable to return a StackTraceElement[] or whatever it's called [08:55:29] indeed [08:55:40] better still, there'S a method in *Thread* to grab such an array. [08:55:47] http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/Thread.html#getStackTrace() [08:55:50] (since 1.5) [08:56:07] TimStarling: --^ [08:56:45] ok, thanks [08:59:39] everything which is written on mediawiki:sidebar is the output of foreach($cont as $key => $val) { ?> ... in monobook.php, right? because i already did change the php code of the php because i added links which show up in dependance what kind of group the user belongs to...so now since i "added" a new portlet via mediawiki:sidebar thos two links show up under both boxes :( [09:00:53] mondschein: those would be prime candidates to be put into the toolbox by a hook function :) [09:01:06] ahhhhhh no hook [09:01:19] mhm ...ok so i shoulöd think about an hook again!? [09:01:42] well thos two links a kind of hidden portals so the toolbox wouldn't be the right place for them [09:04:43] mondschein: well, the contents of the lavigation portlets and also of the toolbox are "somehow" stored in data arrays in the skin template. you can manipulate those arrays from some hooks, including the two i mentioned earlier. that would be The Right Thing (tm) [09:04:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Watchlist-details#size_warning [09:05:11] :( mhm ok [09:05:21] why is the $1 in MediaWiki:Watchlist-details pre-formatted? it would be handy to be able to #expr it [09:15:35] <_wooz> lo [09:18:03] but what i still dont# understand with hooks (sorry) where do i put the actual hook code? via localsettings.php i call the hook and get it going right? s o i have to create nameofmyhook.php? [09:18:19] whcih i include in localsettings then? [09:20:09] ah no in localsettings i call the function...but in which file do i write the function? [09:29:24] so i include addlink.php(here are my functions) in localsettings.php and the $wghooks i put inside the addlink.php!? right!? or did i missunderstood something? [09:32:32] 03mkroetzsch * r31572 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (SMW_DV_WikiPage.php export/SMW_Exporter.php): support for importing URIs [09:32:49] *TimStarling sighs [09:32:59] nothing is ever simple [09:33:56] dealing with bug 11236, audio fails so the whole playback stops [09:34:05] we want it to keep on going with no sound [09:35:05] so presumably if it was an audio-only file, you'd want it to stop, but since it's audio/video, there's still stuff left to play, so it should keep going [09:35:51] but the audio sink signals its displeasure by posting an ERROR message back to the application object [09:35:59] and the application object stops the whole pipeline in response [09:36:13] and the application object doesn't have a clue whether the file is two streams or one [09:36:27] hey Duesentrieb ! [09:37:34] uh, yes? [09:41:39] hello [09:43:13] Splarka: all numbers passed are preformatted [09:45:39] *Splarka alters time and space, and the request then: [09:45:55] #ifexpr should work with formatted numbers ^_^ [09:48:08] {{unformatnum:}} *giggle* [09:48:30] is there an eventname like useris logged in...or an overview of mediawiki events? like the event i need if i want to programm a hook... [09:49:26] you know that everybody who doesn't use english as interface language is not going to see any warnings [09:50:50] hence unformatnum [09:51:08] it has nothing to do with it [09:52:28] sure it does, if they translate the error msg [09:52:47] for example, swedish... has spaces instead of commas [09:52:54] and that is likely to happen.. no [09:53:08] it is as likely to happen as english wikipedians caring [09:54:27] which is as likely as they know what's wrong with ascii [09:54:48] hey, what do you know... wikipedia has a sizeable article on the guy who wrote cortado [09:55:08] makes him easy to track down [09:55:12] 03mkroetzsch * r31573 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/SMW_Exporter.php: Replace standard XML-Entities in URIs with a central function [09:57:10] Duesentrieb: I'm sorry, it's been quite a while... I wrote the MediaWiki Dia extension [09:57:26] doesn't ring any bell? [09:57:29] ah, yea, i remember :) [09:57:34] :) [09:57:59] I contribute to a lot of OSS projects, so it sometimes takes a while before a return [09:58:05] a=I [10:03:15] is UserLogin (source= example http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hooks) a global Eventname? [10:06:22] somebody who can give me a little briefing about hooks!? or answer some questions about hooks? [10:09:11] 03mkroetzsch * r31574 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/SMW_Exporter.php: also replace &rdf; &owl; &rdfs; &swivt; [10:15:53] :( [10:15:54] if i include a php page in localsettings and there is a syntax error (the php page has one) and if i then browse the page will it say the syntax error is in localsettings or in the php file? [10:19:15] splarka: you can help can't you? [10:19:51] 03mkroetzsch * r31575 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Finally move to new export code. [10:21:08] 03mkroetzsch * r31576 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/Export/SMW_SpecialExportRDF.php_NOINCLUDE: local backup copy, not for SVN ... [10:24:01] mondschein: just by suggesting css/js "soft" solutions [10:24:59] for example, you could make a MediaWiki:Sidebar box called "* tools" and have a JS script automatically move them all to the p-tb (toolbox portlet) on page load [10:25:15] <[blackb]> hi all [10:25:15] is no one here who implemented a hook once!? i just have some basic questions to shich i can't find an answer in the manual... [10:25:22] <[blackb]> i have a problem with mediawiki server [10:26:49] <[blackb]> how can add same elelments or widgets when i edit a page on mediawiki? [10:28:30] I hear a rumour that people doing stuff with cortado are discussing things at the moment. Is this true? Who are these people? [10:28:59] well, I was exaggerating a bit [10:29:03] splarka: oh the problem i now habe is that i used to put 2 linkis under the navigation box depending to which group the user belongs...but since i have a new portals box via mediawiki:sidebar those two links appear under booth boxes so duesentrieb suggested that i could write a hook...so i'm trying now...but the ******* hook thing won't work and the problem is that i still don't wuite... [10:29:05] ...understand the whole principle...from where the hooks are called and how it works with the global variables etc.....and the eventnames if they are global and bla... :( [10:29:39] Duesentrieb and flyingparchment help me with my Java questions, but I'm the only one actually writing code at the moment [10:30:19] TimStarling: As I understand it, wikimedia has a fork of cortado at the moment. [10:30:43] yes [10:30:53] TimStarling: This is bad: the only version that random third-parties find is the fluendo version, but fluendo isn't spending time on it, so the wikimedia version is (presumably) better. [10:30:54] 03mkroetzsch * r31577 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Completely remove old RDF export code [10:31:22] TimStarling: fluendo is interested in getting you guys access to our svn so you can merge things back, if you're interested. [10:31:46] that would be nice [10:32:54] TimStarling: fluendo is not interested in doing any actual development work right now (suck), but we'd be happy to give you svn access and let you do work there; and eventually do releases, etc. The one major requirement that fluendo has is copyright assignment. Is that a possibility for you? [10:34:46] that's probably a question for email rather than IRC [10:35:34] I suppose you have a contract already that you get contributors to sign? [10:35:48] TimStarling: yes. [10:36:21] 03mkroetzsch * r31578 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/maintenance/SMW_dumpRDF.php: Updated to use new export code [10:36:43] TimStarling: if you'd prefer, then give me an email address and I'll write you an email [10:36:53] tstarling@wikimedia.org [10:41:17] splarka: but you are really good in php aren't you? i have two kinda basic question which concern php in gerneral... [10:43:08] splarka: if i put a require_once("test.php") on line 2 in main.php and in test.php there is an syntax error will it say that the error is on line 2 in main.php or will it say the error is in test.php on line x? [10:44:05] nope, php is greek to me [10:44:50] :( today is a really bad day... thx anyway [10:44:55] TimStarling: ok, thanks [10:46:38] come on guys, a girl is trying to write an extension, help her out? [10:46:43] *Splarka plays with his javascript in the corner [10:51:00] hello. no questions, just visiting :) [10:52:21] :D [10:54:57] *Splarka prints up some bumper stickers "Mediawiki: No questions asked answered!" [10:55:06] splarka: the thing with javascript is that users most likly have it off....and i'm not sure if "my" user understand what i mean if i tell them that they have to put java back on if they want a proper working wiki :( ... so it has to work somehow with the **** hook if i ever get it going [10:55:11] well, I don't see any questions being asked :) [10:55:37] Werdna: heh [10:55:47] i have a question if somebody is here who has implemented a hook or is able to answer some basic questions about them [10:56:08] Werdna: do you? [10:56:28] mondschein: just ask. [10:57:56] werdna: i want to programm a hook which allows me to add links under a portlet box which i created via mediawiki:sidebar [11:00:30] werdna: so i put a -->require_once( "extensions/addLink.php" ); in my localsettings.php.... [11:00:32] my question: i want to return HTML text via addLink.php...but like this it will be put in localsettings.php (right?) and will mess up--> end in an error so which way do i have to go if i want to implement a hook which returns html text? because i#m new to the hook thing and couldn't find any answers in the manual [11:49:09] if i want to place 2 links via hook on my index.php how can i say that they have to be underneath the navigation box? if i call the php file where i have written my hook fuction in localsettings.php? [11:49:20] or is it the wrong way? [11:54:53] 03(NEW) Inputbox::$labeltext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13256 minor; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Inputbox; (laszlo.vandenhoek) [11:58:57] 03ialex * r31579 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): replacing some calls from deprecated global functions to new modularized functions [12:09:10] can someone have a look above my hook code...because i think i completly misunderstood the whole philosophie behind the principle [12:10:33] *Duesentrieb blinks [12:10:48] mondschein: i'm back for a couple of minutes. i can try to help, but i don't have much time [12:11:10] $wgHooks['UserLogin'][] = 'addLink(global $wgUser)'; [12:11:14] #global $wgUser; [12:11:15] function addLink($wgUser){ [12:11:17] global $wgUser; [12:11:17] mondschein: stop! [12:11:19] $test=$wgUser->getGroups(); [12:11:20] $anzahl= count($test); [12:11:22] $count=0; [12:11:23] while ($count < $anzahl){ [12:11:25] BAH. 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    • [12:11:43] [12:11:45] eeek! [12:12:06] >_< [12:12:25] ... [12:12:29] !pastebin [12:12:29] --mwbot-- Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as and post a link to your paste in the channel. [12:12:35] i'm sorry [12:12:50] it was just the rush of excitement [12:13:43] ... [12:14:41] duesentrieb: can i send you an email with my question and code? or? i dunno... [12:14:48] 03(mod) Option to disallow special page transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13255 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [12:14:56] mondschein: you can put it on the pastbein. [12:15:02] err, pastebin [12:15:16] on the what? i'm not really familliar with irc channel [12:15:17] http://mediawiki.pastey.net or one for the few dozent others google will turn up. [12:15:31] it's not specific to irc, though it is used with irc a lot. [12:16:23] pastebins are basically the retarded cousins of wikis [12:20:35] i don't get it how i create it then...i put my text inside the window, subject, language, author and then? [12:21:13] click Paste [12:21:22] and give us the URL that it provides you [12:21:38] 14(INVALID) Option to disallow special page transclusion - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13255 (10rene.kijewski) [12:22:11] ah ok i didn't recognise paste was a button anyway... [12:24:23] http://mediawiki.pastey.net/83369 [12:24:41] so that is my hook but i think i did some basic mistakes [12:27:13] aren't you trying to add links to the toolbox? [12:27:53] no i'm trying to add links under the navigation box [12:28:14] like, out in the middle of nowhere? outside of the nav portlet? [12:28:15] so between toolbox and navigation box [12:28:34] no in the same div as navigation portlet [12:28:36] mondschein: ok... i'm pretty use UserLogin is the *wrong* hook. how did you get the idea to use that? [12:28:43] i told you about two possible hooks to use... [12:28:45] there's no good way to target that location with a hook [12:28:48] like i used to have those html frgaments in monobook.php [12:29:20] mondschein: also, generally: php doesn't have namespaces, so choose very specific function names. Like monscheinsAddLinks or whatever. [12:29:44] i can#t recall the links because my irc chanel window was closed so many times so i "lost" them [12:29:47] TimLaqua: not true, there are two hooks at least that can be used. [12:30:02] don't close the window then [12:30:04] you poke something inbetween the portlets? [12:30:14] *to [12:30:24] mondschein: your code would be a lot shorter and cleaner using in_array btw - http://de.php.net/manual/de/function.in-array.php [12:31:03] didn't know that exists...thx i'll use that its faster aswell [12:31:47] TimLaqua: you can use SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec to mess with $tpl->data['sidebar'] and $tpl->data['nav_urls'] [12:31:52] which is the idea, pretty much [12:32:09] i poked something between the portlets because the appearance of the links depends to which user group a user belongs [12:32:46] mondschein: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SidebarEx [12:33:11] TimLaqua: thx :) [12:34:11] Duesentrieb: ya, I just looked at how SidebarEx is using SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec - interesting. [12:34:25] all defined groups are supported --> does it mean that if i have my own user groups it won'T work? because i have a lot of them... [12:34:42] it'll work fine. [12:35:05] "defined" means just that - that they are defined. which your custom groups are, otherwise they wouldn't exist, right? [12:35:45] mondschein: register with SkinTemplateOutputPageBeforeExec, make your function take two parameters, call them $skin and $tpl. you can probably ignore $skin, but it needs to be there. [12:36:07] ... someone already wrote the extension he's trying to write [12:36:21] iam a she [12:36:26] ok, she [12:36:43] 03mkroetzsch * r31580 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_GlobalFunctions.php: version increment [12:36:55] mondschein: $tpl->data['sidebar'] is the array you want to manipulate. it basically reflects the structure defined by MediaWiki_Sidebar: it's an array of portlets, each portlet being an array if entries, and each entry being an array of values. [12:37:26] so i make a sidebar link combination fpr every possible user group...or for every user group which is defined [12:37:32] mondschein: to understand how this is structured, it's probably simplest to just dump the current output using print_r($tpl->data['sidebar']); [12:37:42] (that will lead to warnings, but never mind that) [12:38:06] mondschein: no, there is a default, and you would just define exceptions/additions based on groups [12:38:33] mondschein: how and when you manipulate the data that is already there is up to you. [12:39:17] duesentrieb: but editing the monobook.php in that way is not so good right? because the simplest thing for me (my understanding of the mediawiki core code is not soooooo good --> hooks) to write in monobook.php....so the extension would be wiser right°? since booth do the same...as i can say from here ?! [12:40:08] editing monobook.php directly is probably easier *now*. but when you update mediawiki, your changes get lost. and it will not work with other skins. [12:40:28] the hook will work with future version, and with most skins (all that are based on SkinTemplate) [12:40:33] editing monobook.php is easier than installing an extension?!?! [12:40:37] (which should really be called TemplateSKin) [12:40:50] TimLaqua: no, but than writing an extension [12:40:59] she can use SidebarEx [12:41:05] she doesn't have to write an extension. [12:41:07] TimLaqua: especially if you are not fammiliar with hooks, or with the shit that SkinTemplate is.l [12:41:34] TimLaqua: she can? I havn't looked at it. does it do condidtional sidebar links? [12:41:38] !e SidebarEx [12:41:38] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SidebarEx [12:41:40] ya. [12:41:46] OH! [12:42:14] "Provides a means of adding page links to the 'sidebar' based on group membership & per-user basis." [12:42:16] the only problem with it is that it's has the silly BizzWiki StubManager dependency. [12:42:17] *Duesentrieb dies [12:42:36] mondschein: never mind me then, just use that extension, it seems to be designed for exactly this :) [12:42:52] mondschein: and apparently, it works in exactly the way i described, too :P [12:43:13] mhm...so the extension is complete comtable with mw 1.10 because one has to install the stub manager above 1.10 (right!?) [12:43:21] TimLaqua: i never understood what that is for. autoloader is fine, no? [12:43:31] it's his thing [12:43:32] duesentrieb: thanks for your patience with me anyway:) [12:43:37] it does selective inclusion [12:43:40] afaik [12:43:54] TimLaqua: yea but wtf for? bah [12:44:04] he's building some sort of empire [12:44:11] mondschein: you whould be using 1.11 anyway, so it should work fine for you. [12:44:25] mondschein: and you will have to install that stubmanager thingy no matter what version you use [12:44:39] and if not, i've been meaning to rip the StubManager dependency out of that extension and publish a fork anyway. ;-) [12:44:47] ah, "ExtensionClass", not StubManager [12:44:52] or is that the same thing? [12:45:04] I think ExtensionClass is part of StubManager [12:45:07] *TimLaqua cringes [12:45:34] ah, right, under dependencies it mentions one and under installation the other [12:46:01] oh, it's got a pear package [12:46:15] should be simple enough to install, then [12:46:34] *Duesentrieb wonders how hard it would be to run our own pear channel# [12:46:58] 03mkroetzsch * r31581 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: +Type check to catch problems when property type was changed but values for old type still exist [12:47:14] preconditions: "a web site containing no underscores "_" in its name" [12:47:17] bwahaha! [12:47:18] 03(FIXED) HIDDENCAT categorizes images and pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13174 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [12:55:04] 03mkroetzsch * r31582 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/export/SMW_Exporter.php: additional urlencoding for property names in URIs (may contain symbols not allowed in XML) [12:57:01] 03jojo * r31583 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix [13:11:35] where can i find this extension ExtensionClass extension? or does someone know what it does? [13:12:08] ah already found spelling error [13:18:57] 03gri6507 * r31584 10/trunk/extensions/UsageStatistics/SpecialUserStats_body.php: Duely updated the license under which the JavaScript code was released. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Usage_Statistics#Copyright_violation for explanation. [13:20:39] 03mkroetzsch * r31585 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Use plain UTF8 in data literals, and escape problematic chars later for XML serialisation [13:25:24] 03mkroetzsch * r31586 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/Export/SMW_SpecialOWLExport.php: escape &, <, > for RDF export [13:38:19] hello! WMF projects have each their own default language interface (for example for unregistered uesers). I wonder if mediawiki [13:38:51] can be setted to user language interface depending on user's browser preference [13:39:06] ChemicalBit: yes, using an extension. for example, LanguageSelector [13:39:09] (of course if it's not a registered user with prefererece) [13:39:10] !e LanguageSelector [13:39:10] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LanguageSelector [13:39:34] though someone tried it yesterday and had an odd problem with it [13:39:35] very good. Thank you [13:39:51] ah, there http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:LanguageSelector#Bug_on_parsing_languages [13:40:33] 03catrope * r31587 10/trunk/extensions/inputbox/inputbox.php: (bug 13256) Fixing E_NOTICE in Inputbox extension [13:40:43] 03(FIXED) Inputbox::$labeltext - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13256 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [13:41:40] Duesentrieb: I was just going to ask where I could see how "stagble" it is, becouse I was going to cite it in a talk on meta ....... [13:42:25] ChemicalBit: well, it's so stable i havn't touched it in ages :P [13:42:47] is it "your own"? [13:43:08] ChemicalBit: seriously, all i can say is: it works for me. the way the selector interface element is injected into the skin is ugly though, and some of hte methods available may be broken [13:43:15] ChemicalBit: yes i wrote it [13:44:01] ChemicalBit: i'd say it's usable enough, if not quite ready for prime time [13:44:39] ChemicalBit: it can NOT be used on WMF projects though. relying on the accept-language header for ui language would screw with squid cache [13:45:16] Ok, I'm hust making a suggestion at Meta's Metapub , and I just want to undestand if I should expect answer like "We can't do this, there is an extencion but it's better not use it ...) [13:45:20] Oh .... [13:45:33] this is a fundamental problem. unrelated to the specific extension [13:45:41] i don't think there's a way around this, really. [13:45:42] Yes, off course [13:46:04] weel, it may be different in some project [13:46:21] some wmf project? no. [13:46:46] For example Meta have page in different laguages , like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pagina_principale [13:46:53] doesn't matter [13:47:07] either squids cache per possible value of that header field, or they don't. [13:47:24] can that be "squished" ( ..guessing that word ;-) ) with italian interface, or intreface is "quished" elsewhere? [13:47:33] if they do, you multiply the number of variants to cache by 100 or so, because of all the different possible/popular combinations possible in that header field [13:47:49] it may be possible to normalize based on reply header [13:47:56] hey how can i include googleads in my skin (not in articles)?? [13:47:56] you can do intelligent accept-language caching - but i don't think squid does [13:48:21] domas: interesting idea - that would require a Language hader based on ui lang instead of content lang. [13:48:43] The squish isn't use if the user is logged, is it? [13:48:52] ChemicalBit: what is a "squish"? [13:48:58] flyingparchment: yes, it's possible, though tricky - because the software might not pick the browser's preferred language. the squid has also to know what the server end supports. [13:49:07] flyingparchment: he is being cool by using his own lingo [13:49:16] ops, sorry "squids" [13:49:29] squids are squishy i guess :P [13:49:32] (if you step on them) [13:49:41] lol [13:50:11] ChemicalBit: this discussion has happened repeatedly in the past. have a look at the archives :) [13:50:30] 03ialex * r31588 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Article.php): [13:50:30] (bug 13110) Don't show "Permission error" page but "Rollback failed" if the edit [13:50:30] is allready rolled back when using rollback or the user is the only author of [13:50:30] the page. Also show the 'editcomment' message (like before) with the last edit [13:50:30] at mediawiki.org ? [13:50:31] comment if the last author changed. [13:50:40] anyway [13:50:42] !mailinglists [13:50:42] --mwbot-- See http://lists.wikimedia.org/ [13:50:44] anons are not getting that [13:50:53] for any project [13:50:57] Ok, I will search for [13:51:06] how can i add googleads in my skin (not in articles)?? [13:51:27] ChemicalBit: but if domas sais "no", you are out of lick i guess :P unless you can get mark on your side. but i doubt it :) [13:51:39] 03(FIXED) No Permission Error message when the reason is caused by an other issue - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13110 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [13:51:43] bango: look at one of the five extensions for that [13:52:02] !adsense | bango [13:52:02] --mwbot-- bango: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleAdSense [13:52:09] just one example [13:52:12] yeah i know them but it is for articles [13:52:20] then look at the other examples [13:52:40] bango: scroll down, pick the category that interests you [13:53:31] bango: also, there'Äs an extension for injecting wiki code into the toolbox - that could be abused to inject the ads using the per-page method [13:53:39] a bit hackish, but it just might work :P [13:58:20] ah do you know the link to this extension :/? [14:00:28] where can I find information on only showing edit tabs for logged-in users? [14:00:46] actually, the only thing I want to show to non logged-in users is the articles themselves [14:08:52] hi - is there a way to add an HTML element id to a list? [14:11:13] jldupont: i think you have to use
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    [14:11:30] aloha [14:11:35] Hi ialex - so no wikitext syntax then? [14:11:43] question to you mediawiki experts :) [14:12:08] I created a bunch of templates and semitemplates [14:12:17] jldupont: i think there isn't [14:12:22] is there a way to do input checking on several things? [14:12:28] for example [14:12:32] ialex: thanks. [14:12:47] when you insert an ip I want to check if it's realy an ip [14:12:52] and not a text or word [14:16:18] does someone know a solution for this? [14:26:09] has anybody installed the SidebarEx Extension? I'm having trouble with getting it working :( [14:39:58] 03(NEW) Block file upload on Russian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D13257 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (flrn) [14:42:09] mondschein: could you go in detail about your 'trouble'? [14:43:00] mondschein: i have never dealt with it, but if you say what's causing you trouble, we might get you through it. [14:45:05] isnogud: i installed it (but i'm not sure if i did everything right--> i put the files in my extensionfolder (stubmanager and sidebarex) and putted the require once in localsettings.php then i setted the required parameter in localsettings) but the sidebar is not showing up...i looked trough the discussion page and someone already had that problem but with him it turned out to be a capitals... [14:45:07] ...thing problem...i already checked but i have correct capitals [14:46:56] 03(mod) add DOM friendly importScript and importStylesheet functions into wikibits .js - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13232 (10hartman) [14:47:50] what did you add to LocalSettings.php? if it's more then 3 lines please don't post it here. [14:48:02] probably just having a bad wiki day...today no extension will work my brain won'T work properly and my roll which i bought for lunch was musty :( [14:48:24] well. one of those days. [14:48:31] i am sure we get the wiki thing running. [14:48:32] 03(mod) Disable local file upload on Russian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13257 +shell; summary (10guillom.pom) [14:49:32] one array where i define the user groups which have special sidebars, $bwSidebarNs = NS_MEDIAWIKI; (dunno what that is for--> 1) Define (if desired) the base namespace where the pages will be fetched:) and $bwSidebarPage = Sidebar; [14:49:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SidebarEx [14:50:50] $bwSidebarNs = NS_ADMIN; not $bwSidebarNs = NS_MEDIAWIKI i set in localsettings.php [14:50:56] how about the required scripts? [14:51:33] yeah of courserequire 'extensions/StubManager/StubManager.php'; require 'extensions/SidebarEx/SidebarEx.php'; [14:51:49] oh those... [14:52:31] well the documentations seems to be kind of not up to date because in the talk the author says that one don't need require("extensions/ExtensionClass.php"); [14:54:28] How would I go about making an automatic navigation menu? [14:54:37] i got the sidebarpages with the "normal" sidebar, but the sidebar actually showing up was still my old one defined via mediawiki:sidebar [14:55:14] mondschein: what about all this steps about installing the newest Stub Manager and PEAR? Did you follow this instructions also? [14:55:18] Ah nm, that wouldn't work... [14:56:06] isnogud: well i understand the installation instruction that you can go one of booth ways...install it via pear or do all the stuff with localsettings etc. as i describe above [14:56:26] isnogud: so i have to install pear bla°? [14:56:27] well. the documentation is really quite confusing. [14:57:04] mondschein: why do you think that? [14:57:46] mondschein: well maybe you are right on that. [14:57:49] isnogud: because it looks like quite the same...just that if you use pear the extension files are in the mediawiki folder (which actually dioesn't exist under the data folder) that's what i thought [14:58:17] isnogud: so what do you think? [14:59:52] mondschein: ok. forget about pear. what about the stubmanager? [15:00:33] mondschein: the documentation should really be updated. [15:00:50] isnogud: i installed the stubmanager like the page says it (download, put the folder in extensions and add the lines to localsettings) [15:00:56] yeah i think so too [15:01:51] isnogud: well i don't know but the documenation actually doesn't say if i have to create a stub by myself, right? [15:02:12] isnogud:i just hav to install this stubmanager thing [15:03:29] well. that's exactly what is confusing me, right now. [15:07:49] mondschein: did you donwnload the Stubmanager and installed it in the extensions folder? [15:08:00] yes [15:08:01] mondschein: oh. i see [15:08:12] what!? [15:09:22] :( [15:14:41] isnogud: what did you see? do you know what i've done wrong? [15:16:24] mondschein: nope. you installed everything in the right way. your page does load right? [15:16:36] but the extension is not working.... [15:16:50] mondschein: which MW version are you using? [15:17:39] hello [15:18:13] anybody already migrate medikiwi mysql database to postgresql database ? [15:19:07] 1.10 [15:19:53] everything is alright i see the mediawiki:sidebar/user etc. pages conten of the pages is the normal sidebar (the original not the one i hve in mediwiki:sidebar) [15:20:05] but it's not working...:( [15:21:29] 03simetrical * r31589 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Typo [15:22:42] I want the functionality of Categories, but I don't want the categories themselves to be visible... really, all I want is to use CategoryTree as a navigation tool... any ideas? [15:26:32] omnivibe: hide the category bar using css. [15:27:23] if you must, use Lockdown or some such to make the category namespace unaccessible. but then people couldn't categorize categories to build tree [15:28:21] actually, the category tree consists mainly of links to categories - if you don't want people to go there, you would have to hack the extensions not to link to categories [15:28:41] mondschein: same for me. it's not working. contact one of the developer. with a bit of luck they can help you. sorry [15:29:12] isnogud: still thanks a lot that you took the time :) [15:29:12] mondschein: and... why use 1.10? [15:29:23] mw version 1.10 [15:29:27] yes. why? [15:29:48] 1.11.2 is current, 1.12 is nearly out [15:29:53] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vorlage:Sin&action=edit <-- interesting [15:29:57] Duesentrieb: well. i used the latest version. [15:30:24] Isnogud: yes, probably unrelated. but i always wonder why pople *install* old versions. [15:30:29] it's the same for me. i can access the Sidebar/ but the changes do not show up. [15:30:41] i can understand people to be too lazy or scared to upgrade. but why go with an old version in teh first place? [15:30:48] *zocky thinks we should have a more complete library of parser functions [15:30:52] Duesentrieb: i agree. thats totally right. [15:31:44] why not? we just installed it like in may last year...and we are (it's a company wiki) still configurating it and getting it save and all the extra things ()lockdown extensions, pdf etc. and there are still problems with having it seen from outside...so we want to wait with an upgrade till the webserver is set up proberly (summer i think) [15:31:59] may2007 1.10 was the newest version [15:32:41] or not? [15:33:38] oh i thought it was a fresh install [15:33:43] well, upgrading is simple enough [15:34:00] omnivibe, I think you can use the new __HIDDENCAT__ functionality just added to 1.13alpha. You'd have to add it to every category. [15:34:32] mondschein: if you fight with getting extensions ready, it's a good idea to keep up with current versions. otherwise, you have all the extensions working, but when trying to upgrade, they break again. [15:34:51] mondschein: or you have some extensions that need a newer version,m and some that need an older version [15:35:09] upgrading early at least helps you to notice problems right away. [15:35:51] Simetrical: just using css seems easier - especially since all hiddencat does is set a special css class, right? [15:36:06] Oh, wait, does it do that? [15:36:15] I think it might, although I thought it shouldn't. [15:36:20] How would I hide it with CSS? [15:36:31] duesentrieb: no i probably just sound so new ;) though i'm working with that wiki since may...but i'm having a lot of problems with it...probably because of the extra things...most of the extension don't have maintanance anymore or because of my many exceptions (using many namespaces) i "find" problems which developers didn't think of (--> pdf2wiki exception where the tex formular get's... [15:36:32] ...escaped by the python transalation script and so on...) [15:36:33] Hmm, what happens if all the categories are hidden? Does the category bar show up? [15:36:37] *Simetrical needs to look at the code at some point [15:36:50] omnivibe: find out the class or of of the category bar, then set display:none for that [15:36:53] !css | omnivibe [15:36:53] --mwbot-- omnivibe: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [15:37:47] mondschein: pdf export... ugh :P [15:38:08] mondschein: for that to *really* work weÄll have to weit until we have a real parser... [15:38:15] (sadly, that is a running gag) [15:38:25] yeah tell me... [15:38:53] hmmm... "catlinks"... [15:39:47] but i'm "correcting" the code i'm doing quite good and this month i want to "correct" the transaltion problems...with the namespace i nearly got it...it's just with the logical operators which are not "+" in the url... [15:40:08] and then the pdf extension should work [15:40:27] oh no it has also an image problem... [15:41:52] mondschein: maybe try a different route for pdf export? [15:42:07] mondschein: like, make a static html dump and use some generic html2pdf thing? [15:42:24] Is it possible to take a mediawiki installation and export onto a CD ? I need to make some offline copies for clients that do not have internet access [15:43:16] cyris|: it should be [15:43:26] just like any other php+mysql website [15:43:35] mhm actually it's working good and i've put so much energy already in it...it's hard to let babys go ;) ...but i already thought of it as well....maybe i will do an overview of pdf solutions and will go through al the pros an cons and the get something better or stay with the babe [15:44:44] 03raymond * r31590 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [15:44:44] * (bug 10457) Reorganize Special:Specialpages. [15:44:44] Customizable by editing [[MediaWiki:specialpages-tpl]] [15:44:53] mondschein: there's a new service comming up for extracting parts of wikipedia for print ,as pdf. maybe talk to those people [15:44:58] if only i could find the damn link :( [15:45:02] Snowolf: I don't have a clue how to do it tho :A [15:45:36] Snowolf: err, how would you copy a php+mysql site for offline use? [15:45:50] Snowolf: for people that do NOT want to install apache and mysql first [15:46:05] anybody already migrate medikiwi mysql database to postgresql database ? [15:46:05] Duesentrieb: install apache [15:46:07] cyris|: you can make aq static html dump. look at maintenance/dumpHtml.php [15:46:11] +mysql on the cd [15:46:32] Snowolf: muhaha! [15:46:45] 03(FIXED) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [15:46:45] Duesentrieb: don't laugh, it's not that difficoult [15:46:49] Snowolf: you'Äll have a hard time to make them even start without root access [15:46:56] possible, yes. [15:47:00] but not easy. [15:47:05] Duesentrieb: well, I assumed windows [15:47:12] also, how many steps does it take people to open it? [15:47:17] it should be just one click... [15:47:19] one only [15:47:26] but I assumed to use them on windows [15:47:40] assuming windows sucks. and runnign as admin on wikndows sucks too. [15:48:08] consider mac users (linux users can be expected to install apache and mysql. from source.) [15:48:16] consider locked down at-work windows machines [15:48:30] Duesentrieb: easyphp [15:48:38] *shrug* [15:48:42] if it works, good [15:48:46] anyway, where was i [15:48:53] oh yea, the damn pdf thingy [15:49:05] it had a really catchy name. only i forgot it for the fourth timew [15:49:13] PdfHandler? [15:49:21] oh, something else [15:52:19] an online service [15:52:29] went over the ticker about a month or so ago. maybe two. [15:52:40] this is silly. this is the second time i try to find it. and can't. [15:52:45] the web sucks :( [15:55:22] if i push the email password button my wiki says A new password has been sent to the e-mail address registered for "mondschein". Please log in again after you receive it. BUT no email arrives and i can still log on with my old password...which parameters did i forget to set in local settings? [15:56:09] Snowolf: Thanks for telling me about dumpHTML. This will do, however some of the HTML is kinda nasty, hr tags going over text ect. Anyidea how I can dump this nicer ? [15:56:34] cyris|: actually it was Duesentrieb who told you about dumpHTML [15:56:40] I never used it :) [15:56:52] i never used it either really :) [15:56:56] yeah pdf generation is tricky with the wiki and if one uses tex formular the translation is triki too :( [15:58:08] Oh :S [15:58:48] gah! finally. [15:58:52] foundit. PediaPress. [15:58:55] http://pediapress.com/ [15:59:04] or better http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikis_Go_Printable [15:59:08] mondschein: ---^ [15:59:47] but the wiki2pdf extension is actually really good...the have a tranlastion script which translate the wiki text in tex and then generates the pdf via latexpdf....but the developers also did some mistakes which took soem time to figure out...like the programm asumes that the apache has no writing right for the server ...but if it does nothing works because the latexpdf assumes that the tex... [15:59:49] ...files etc. are in data and not extension/wiki2pdf [16:00:06] duesentrieb: *having a look* [16:00:09] Thanks Duesentrieb and Snowolf, this will do, I mean if they want a pretty copy they can go online [16:00:26] mondschein: they got the technology - maybe they'll share it :) [16:00:45] wasn't it serverbased tools? [16:02:00] ah nee forget the sentence above [16:02:30] schon forgetten :P [16:02:39] :D [16:03:11] does anybody know deep details of the mail() function of mediawiki? [16:04:25] the mail() function is standard php. use the UserMailer class [16:04:46] mail() is pretty much a dumb wrapper around command-line sendmail. [16:07:42] because it doesn't work in my wiki..i've set: $wgEnableEmail, $wgEnableUserEmail, $wgEmailAuthentication, $wgUserEmailUseReplyTo, $wgEmergencyContact, $wgPasswordSender, then i setted in php.ini the smtp and smtpport (it's not localhost) but still it doesn't work where could i lood for mistakes or forgotten parameter? [16:10:04] could it be because in php.ini the senmail_path has no value!? [16:11:44] or could it be that the mw code assumes that smtp is localhost!? if i want to use the normal mail() php function...because the other way is to install pear mail (http://chris.brandlehner.at/Brandlehner/cab_blog.nsf/d6plinks/DOMO-6KJH4T) but the machine the wiki is running is so messed up that installing stuff doesn't work... :( [16:12:48] has somebody an idea? [16:15:40] mondschein: can the box otherwise send email normally? [16:16:13] via terminal i can yes well i think i've tried it...i'll try again [16:16:54] jlerner:so you think too that the problem are the gerneral configurationa nd not the wiki and wiki configuration [16:17:11] no idea [16:17:13] unix box? [16:17:19] oh, windows? [16:17:50] unix [16:22:06] if i send an email via terminal what is the end text command again? somebody knows that? [16:25:25] mhm ok i have to go now maybe tomorrow bye all [16:38:21] 03(mod) Please lock Yi Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10970 (10triyork) [16:43:08] 03raymond * r31591 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Two fixes, thanks to Simetrical [16:46:02] 03(NEW) Request Navigation Upload file link change to Wikipedia: Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jutiphan) [16:46:53] 03(mod) Request Navigation Upload file link change to Wikipedia:Upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13258 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [16:50:51] 03(mod) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 +comment (10robin_1273) [16:51:52] 03(mod) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [16:53:33] Hi, is there any way to download an image through the api? [16:53:54] yuss: wha...? [16:54:04] The easiest way to download an image is to download the image [16:54:33] Think of it as a read-only REST API [16:54:56] yeah but it would make easier to have through the api --> this way I would not have to first get the image list, then the image url and then download it [16:55:17] so there is an upload action but no download... too bad [16:57:27] Hi. Can I hire a dev to write an extension for me? I'm serious. i urgently need this extension http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_requests#Icons_for_article_links_per_category [17:01:17] MONK3000, of course you can hire a dev. Dunno if you find any interested dev here, but check http://wikihr.net though :-) [17:03:39] interesting. thanks [17:14:12] domas: around? [17:21:11] 03raymond * r31592 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Tweak to avoid duplication of special pages list into every language file. [17:29:49] 03rotem * r31593 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update. [17:30:33] hi, my medium has a 4 charachter minimum search restriction somehow. Anyone know off hand where to remove that. [17:30:48] s/medium/mediawiki [17:31:10] anyone using mediawiki-extensions package on ubuntu? [17:31:54] also, can anyone recommend a decent breadcrumb extension [17:36:01] hello, anyone know where &printable=yes is defined? mostly i'm interested in finding where $wgLogo is taken out of the printable version of a page [17:36:03] hmm http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/?title=Special:Specialpages&translate=1 [17:36:20] Wiredtape: it's a skin variable [17:36:35] so, in skin.php? [17:36:36] Somewhere in skin.php or skintemplate.php [17:36:42] ok, thanks :) [17:36:59] Hello, i'm trying to upgrade my 1.9.1 installation, but the upgrade.php in both 1.10.4 and 1.11.2 gives me the same error: PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method stdClass::isMultipleKey() in /var/www/html/remedymd_wiki_1.10.4/maintenance/updaters.inc on line 176 [17:37:22] well, in updaters.inc line 176 anyways [17:37:23] Is there a way to list "What links here" on a page by adding some code on the page? [17:37:56] hmhm [17:37:57] simple: what php version you have? [17:38:10] AzaTht, 5.2.0 [17:38:29] hmm [17:38:39] have to agree with Simetrical, some way to specify category in the code would be better than to use messages for configuration [17:40:17] AzaTht, it's a compiled version of PHP, is there some specific thing i have to compile in for it? [17:41:18] no, it's part of the database [17:41:43] think you need brion or domas [17:42:11] i'm leaving my company this week, thought i'd update the wiki before i left for them [17:42:20] but if there's no quick solution, i dont really care =) [17:45:39] heh [17:48:24] hmm, strange, it seems that for some reason the log doesn't appear on the printable version, though the css is there for it.. and the element exists. (also it's not defined in skin.php or skintemplate.php, only the link to it is defined there.. ) [17:48:58] anyone know? [17:54:56] 03ialex * r31594 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: Update french (fr) localization [17:56:46] Hello, I have a question about Spam-blacklist. [17:56:53] Can this filter block non-URI sentences? [17:59:18] morning [18:00:16] morning [18:28:43] what happened with the 1.12 release? i see it got branched, but no mention of it, and trunk is no moving towards 1.13 ? [18:30:55] no=now [18:32:38] was it branched to get some fixes in before tagging a release? [18:33:49] exobuzz - see wikitech-l [18:33:55] will read.. [18:33:57] thanks [18:34:08] np [18:36:47] wired: a march post ? [18:37:36] exobuzz: 1.12 will release when i've got a couple spare hours to finish it up [18:37:44] which may be today; it's fairly calm in the office so far :) [18:38:09] right. noone is to disturb brion, apart from making tea!! ;-) [18:41:02] hi brick_ijigg [18:41:05] Ooops... [18:41:14] of course, hello brion [18:41:23] *VasilievVV kicks himself [18:42:08] :) [18:42:36] hi ialex [18:42:50] *ialex wawes to Nikerabbit [18:44:08] I was thinking that maybe you want to collaborate on betawiki if you are going to update more french translations [18:47:28] ialex: or? [18:47:59] maybe :) [18:48:50] ok [18:55:53] 03(NEW) Email user bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13259 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (andrewcleung) [18:57:47] ialex: Do you know that direct svn commits and translations through betawiki causes conflicts? [18:58:43] SPQRobin: betawiki wasn't updated when i commited it [18:58:53] I confirm that [19:00:01] The updates are about editing [[Special:special pages]] [19:00:55] ialex: Just for your information, and just in case you are going to commit more. [19:01:37] 14(INVALID) Email user bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13259 +comment (10brion) [19:02:18] hi [19:03:01] who speak german ? [19:03:34] is this a test? [19:03:37] ok. me! [19:03:57] isnogud sprichst du deutsch ? [19:04:08] natuerlich. [19:04:29] kennst du dich auch mit install von wikimedia aus ? [19:05:08] Nun, frag. [19:05:38] nach der install komme ich nicht auf die startseite hin [19:06:20] ok. hast du noch mehr Informationen fuer mich? [19:06:30] Hast du einen link zu deinem Wiki? [19:06:49] mom ich loade es nochmal auf meinem server [19:06:59] denn gehen wir gemeinsam durch [19:07:01] Allemand n'est pas bon, Français est le meilleur langue. J'adore Français. [19:07:02] Welche Wiki Version benutzt du? Hat die Installation tatsaechlich eine Success Meldung gegeben? [19:07:05] :) [19:07:18] 1.11.12 [19:07:28] i'm reverting this specialpages stuff [19:07:31] it's fairly horrifying [19:07:39] also den neuste version [19:07:46] What special pages stuff? [19:08:39] Hast du nach dem du den Installationsprozess durchgemacht hast, die generierte LocalSettings.php aus dem config Verzeichnis in das darunterliegende kopiert? [19:09:01] 03brion * r31595 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [19:09:01] Revert back to r31589. I really don't like this hardcoded special page template; [19:09:02] definitely not something I want to see, even if it were properly localized. It [19:09:02] feels ugly, fragile, and likely to cause massive confusion and inability to [19:09:02] navigate sites consistently, never mind extensibility problems with extensions [19:09:04] and new languages. [19:09:05] ja mom ich mach alles nochmal [19:09:14] Wikizine72: soviel Zeit habe ich nicht. [19:10:10] also ich habe admin name und der nadere name und den dantenbank eingegeben und danach install [19:10:13] *AlexSm wish CIA-43 would provide a link like wikibugs does [19:10:31] :( [19:10:35] 03(mod) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 +comment (10brion) [19:10:46] *paxed thinks the parser function hooks in [[Special:Version]] should be links to pages describing them. [19:10:51] dann ist unten einen link der zu eine text geht das icch nicht versteanden habe [19:11:19] und weiter komme ich nicht [19:12:34] Verstehe. Wie greifst du auf deinen Webserver zu? Benutzt du FTP? [19:12:48] Ja über ftp [19:14:06] dann verbinde dich doch mal mit deinem webserver bitte. und schau nach ob in dem ordner wo dein wiki installiert ist ein config ordner existiert. In diesem schau ob da eine LocalSettings.php liegt. [19:14:40] mom [19:14:52] erm. naja. also ich meine nicht installiert sonder wo die Dateien fuer deik wiki liegen. [19:15:09] warte [19:15:26] bin grad dabei alles neu auf server zu loaden [19:15:35] bin bei 86% [19:15:35] Wikizine72: Sagt denn die installations Prozedur ob du erfolgreich installiert hast? [19:15:53] Wikizine72: 86%? [19:16:11] es zeigte nur an das diese liste [19:16:36] die installliste oder wie man es nennen mag [19:18:25] 14(INVALID) Numberlists are sometimes broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13208 +comment (10brion) [19:18:58] Wikizine72: Hm. Also ich denke es wird besser sein wenn du dir jemanden suchst der vielleicht ein wenig mehr Ahnung hat und dir vielleicht helfen kann. [19:19:16] Ich meine persoenlich. [19:19:35] mom wir gehen es mal zusammen durch [19:21:17] 03(mod) Option to disallow special page transclusion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13255 (10brion) [19:21:29] PHP 5.0.0 or higher is required. If PHP 5 is available only when PHP files have a .php5 extension, please navigate to index.php5 to continue installation. ABORTING. -1 [19:21:41] jetzt klicke ich index.php5 [19:21:55] 03(mod) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457 (10brion) [19:28:02] sind hier noch wikimedia spezialisten ? [19:28:44] oje. [19:29:08] Wikizine72: ich warte schon die ganze zeit mit hochspannung ob das klicken auf php5 was gebracht hat. [19:29:08] isgo es zeigt an Installation successful [19:29:38] hatte auf index.php5 gemacht [19:29:44] ok. jetzt geh in das Verzeichnis deines Wikis [19:29:53] weiter [19:30:15] dann wechsel in config und schau mal ob da eine Datei namens LocalSettings liegt. [19:30:38] ja [19:31:01] das ist drin [19:31:32] kopiere diese eine Ebene nach unten, also in das unterste Verzeichnis deines Wikis. Wenn du es nicht schon gemacht hast, wie der installer es dir eigentlich sagen sollte. [19:32:03] also in dem verzeichnis wo languages ist [19:32:10] danach sollte dein Wiki laufen. ist das der fall loesche oder schuetze das config Verzeichnis. [19:32:26] ja [19:33:15] läuft aber nicht [19:33:20] es zeigt an To complete the installation, move config/LocalSettings.php to the parent directory [19:33:29] Isnogud: Wenn du die Datei kopierst ist sie immer noch im obigen Verzeichnis. Man muss sie aber dort entfernen. [19:34:06] nein. muss man nicht. man kann anschliessend auch einfach so auf die index.php zugreifen. man sollte sie allerdings loeschen. [19:34:37] move = verschieben [19:34:39] ;) [19:34:42] isno wieso ist diese meldung immer noch [19:34:43] Luxo: ich habe ihm ja schon geraten das config verzeichnis zu loeschen. [19:35:11] config ordner ganz löschen jetzt ? [19:35:12] .oO(Diese Installationen ist ja _wirklich_ einfach...) [19:35:27] Wikizine72: erst wenn du die LocalSettings.php kopiert oder verschoben hast. [19:36:06] ich habe local im hauptverzeichnis drin. jetzt config ordner löschen ? [19:36:06] dann anschliessend solltest du den gesamten conig ordner aus Sicherheitsgruenden loeschen, ja. [19:36:13] go [19:36:16] gut [19:36:18] mom [19:36:26] so. und jetzt wieder in den browser. [19:37:17] jetzt komme fehlermeldung [19:37:21] Fatal error: Call to undefined function: set_include_path() in /mnt/web5/42/27/51249727/htdocs/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/LocalSettings.php on line 20 [19:38:01] Dann hast du die LocalSettings.php doch nicht ins Hauptverzeichnis kopiert. [19:38:21] doch [19:38:36] das ist da wo diese folgende ordner sind [19:38:48] bin, docs [19:38:57] images [19:39:00] usw usw [19:39:12] okok [19:39:29] hast du eine Addresse fuer dein wiki? [19:39:48] welche adresse ? [19:39:54] URL. Link. [19:40:00] achso [19:40:07] mom [19:40:54] hi [19:41:04] i need help [19:41:57] http://www.magic-meeting.com/ [19:43:04] is there anyone that can help me with media wiki 1.6? [19:43:40] http://www.magic-meeting.com/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ The requested URL /mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ was not found on this server. [19:44:40] Wikizine72: zeigt magic-meeting.com auf ~/htdocs/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ [19:44:52] Fatal error: Call to undefined function: set_include_path() in /mnt/web5/42/27/51249727/htdocs/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/LocalSettings.php on line 20 [19:44:53] Wikizine72: Du hast die Mediawiki version 1.11.2 für PHP5 und dein Server läuft mit PHP 4.1.2. Geht nicht. [19:45:06] if anyone can help me with this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Installation please contact me [19:45:56] strato hat aber php5 [19:46:28] Wikizine72: evt. kannst du es irgendwo einstellen. [19:46:58] does anyone speak english? [19:47:10] bis vor ca 4 monate konnte man es am datenbank einstellen [19:47:26] und jetzt ist nur php 5 (datenbank verfügbar [19:48:19] Wikizine72: Schau den Header an. X-Powered-By PHP/4.1.2 [19:49:18] :O 4.1.2 ist viel zu alt, upgrade mal (wenn das möglich ist) [19:49:20] lvy: I think the most here speaks English :) [19:50:12] ich kann gerne mal ein link hier geben von strato [19:50:47] Ah, du hast shared hosting, dann ist es leider unmöglich, zu upgraden nach PHP 5 [19:51:19] Hallo RoanKattouw :) Hast du schon ein Testserver für die api gefunden? [19:51:19] roan ich habe php 5 [19:51:37] Wikizine72: Dein Server sagt da aber was anderes. [19:51:42] Wikizine72: Warum sagt der X-Powered-By Header dann anders? [19:51:44] Ah [19:51:52] MySQL 5.0 Datenbank [19:51:54] MySQL 5.0 Datenbank [19:51:55] MySQL 5.0 Datenbank [19:52:00] Fremder Bug :S [19:52:05] Gut genug [19:52:13] keine ahnung [19:52:38] Luxo: Nein, noch nicht. Ich suche jetzt jemanden mit einem publiken Server [19:52:46] http://www.strato.de/webhosting/premium/index.html [19:52:56] Ich weiss dass MinuteElectron so ein Testserver hat [19:52:58] ich habe prenium [19:53:22] Basic, Advanced oder Pro? [19:53:28] pro [19:53:53] RoanKattouw: Wikizine72 hat auch einen XD *wegrenn* [19:53:55] Ah, du hast PHP 5 *und* PHP 4 [19:54:04] ja [19:54:20] aber in datenbank ist nur 5 noch möglich [19:54:32] Welche Datenbank? [19:54:42] sonst konnte mal wählen zwischen 4 un 5 [19:54:58] Ivy: I could probably help you [19:55:02] der datenbank der bei strato im paket ist [19:55:06] Can you paste that link again? [19:55:50] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Installation [19:55:56] take this one RoanKattouw [19:56:19] ich hab grad geschaut 5.0.45 ist der php version [19:56:27] Ivy: What's your problem? [19:56:40] Wikizine72: Das kann Problemen geben [19:56:55] wieso ß [19:57:33] Es ist bekannt dass 5.0.* Problemen geben kann, also 5.1 oder höher ist besser [19:57:54] also 5.0 hat kinderkrankheiten ? [19:58:04] Nur auf 64-Bit Platforms [19:58:32] Aber ich weiss nicht ob Strato 64-Bit PCs hat [19:59:41] was ist wenn ich eine frühere version von wiki drauf install ? [19:59:59] 03(mod) Email user bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13259 (10andrewcleung) [20:00:15] PHP 4 hat keine Krankheiten, *aber*... dann kannst du nur MediaWiki 1.6.10 oder früher nutzen [20:00:23] 1.7+ braucht PHP 5 [20:00:37] Aber Wikizine72 was ist dein Problem? :P [20:00:41] ich probiere mal aus [20:01:49] Wikizine72: Ich glaube immer noch nicht dass der server php5 hat. :) Mach doch mal ein phpinfo(), mich würde das interessieren. [20:02:14] hi [20:02:41] Es ist auch möglich, dass nur .php5 Dateien PHP 5 nutzen [20:02:46] Ivy, chiedi e basta [20:02:54] vediamo se qualcuno ti risponde :-) [20:03:04] Ivy: What was your Cite problem? [20:03:16] luxo soll ich wie ? phpinfo ? [20:04:02] hi roan [20:04:27] Wikizine72: mach eine neue Datei im hauptverzeichnis (irgend ein name, zb "phpinfo.php") schreib dort "" rein (ohne "") und gib uns den link. [20:04:49] it seems i cant install the script correctly [20:05:00] maybe i do something wrong during installation... [20:05:03] That's kind of a vague description :P [20:05:14] i follow the instructions there [20:05:15] luxo was bedeutet das ? [20:05:16] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Installation [20:05:25] Wikizine72: Versuche auch phpinfo.php5 zu machen, selber Code [20:05:25] hacker code ?? [20:05:31] but i think those script to download doenst fit my media wiki version [20:05:33] Wikizine72: Nein [20:05:34] which is 1.6 [20:05:49] Es zeigt Informationen über deinen PHP Installation [20:05:53] Ivy: 1.6 ?!? [20:06:02] I'm seeing some very strange behavior in mediawiki, some of my newly added menu items aren't rendered unless I'm logged in. Even though they show up when I view the source on the page itself [20:06:21] ich probiere erst mal ältere version zu install [20:06:47] ive installed it a few days ago [20:06:50] it works [20:07:23] just this script... i cant install the 1.11 version because my web server doesnt support newer php [20:08:19] Wikizine72: schau http://tools.wikimedia.de/~luxo/phpinfo.php so ungefähr sieht eine phpinfo aus. [20:09:06] ??? [20:09:11] achso [20:09:35] This is just strange, I don't have any advanced user permission stuff installed [20:09:52] and all the wiki code shows up in the code view, it just doesn't get rendered unless I'm logged in [20:10:08] also einfach in editor das schreiben und mit php speichern ? [20:10:20] ja [20:11:33] wie heißt der code nochmal ? [20:11:48] [20:11:53] falsch [20:11:57] doch stimmt [20:12:01] sorry ;) [20:13:07] speichern in php oder php5 [20:13:11] php [20:14:39] hmmhesays: did you try to free your cache for the pages? You may perform with adding ?action=purge to the end of your url. [20:15:01] I have not, I had no idea about that, let me try [20:16:48] Ok, done and no go. The code still shows up in the view textarea, but it just doesn't get rendered [20:16:54] hast recht das ist 4.1 php [20:17:04] strato macht betrug [20:17:18] http://www.magic-meeting.com/testinfo.php [20:17:45] Wikizine72: ändere jetzt mal die dateiendung auf .php5 [20:18:51] 5.2.5 [20:19:09] das sollte eigentlich passen. [20:19:32] dann verstehe ich immer noch nicht das wiki nicht mag [20:19:59] Wikizine72: die Dateien von mediawiki enden alle mit .php [20:20:00] ich versuche jetzt mal die ältere version [20:20:11] hm. die index.php sollte eigentlich auf php5 enden. [20:20:19] tut sie aber nicht. [20:21:26] wiki hat 2 index dateien . eine mit php und eine mit php5 [20:21:55] .php5: "" nützt nicht gerade viel. [20:22:13] ???? [20:22:21] d.h. ?? [20:22:37] Wikizine72: http://www.magic-meeting.com/index.php5?title=Hauptseite [20:23:17] Luxo: der wendet doch nicht in einem Fall php5 und in der per include referenzierten php4 an. das waere ja Selbstmord. [20:23:47] und eben. er sagt auch dass er index.php5 nicht finden kann. [20:23:55] moeglicherweise ein Rechte problem? [20:24:04] möglich [20:24:28] welche ordner und datei bekommt welche rechte [20:24:33] Isnogud: nee, logisch, er bindet die index.php ein, wenn du index.php5 aufrufst, und der server führt mit php5 aus. [20:24:35] cmod [20:26:06] Wikizine72: index.php5 braucht g+rx [20:26:21] uf deutsch ? [20:26:32] 777 oder 755 oder 666 [20:27:03] chmod g+rx [20:27:05] hmmhesays: Is your wiki public [20:27:07] ? [20:27:11] das wird nix bringen. [20:27:21] Wikizine72: Das zweite Zahl muss 5 sein [20:27:40] Ich denke, 755 ist das beste [20:28:33] RoanKattouw, publicly accessible yeah, but I have all the pages I've edited protected [20:28:45] hmmhesays: Link please? [20:28:54] www.thelostpacket.org [20:29:19] check out the main page, look at the code view you'll see some entries related to freeswitch that don't render [20:29:46] I don't see it [20:29:54] What text doesn't render? [20:30:25] ===Freeswitch=== [20:30:25] ====Javascript Examples==== [20:30:25] * [[freeswitch_javascript_examples | Freeswitch Javascript Examples]] [20:30:25] **[[freeswitch_javascript_examples#Read_DTMF_and_Return | Read DTMF]] [20:30:29] index.php5 leitet irgendwie /mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ weiter, das kommt vom script filename. Warum orientiert er sich nicht an der url? [20:30:37] habe ich meine Hausaufgaben beim umrechnen nicht gemacht? r+x 1+4=5 richtig? [20:30:45] Isnogud: Ja [20:31:02] hmmhesays: I don't see a Freeswitch section on the Main PAge [20:31:49] RoanKattouw, hence my problem [20:31:53] its there in the source view [20:31:57] fertig [20:32:11] why is it not rendering on the page itself [20:32:11] was muß ich jetzt aufrufen ? [20:32:52] Isnogud: Das Problem sind nicht die Rechte, das Problem ist dass PHP den Falschen Pfad nimmt, nämlich der vom Server und nicht der vom url. "var wgArticlePath = "/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/index.php5?title=$1";" [20:33:12] anstat nur index.php5?title=$1 [20:33:42] hmmhesays: Some tips: you don't need the underscores in links ([[quintim troubleshooting|foo]] will work too), you don't need to put spaces like [[foo | bar]] (I don't know if that breaks anything). You might wanna try adding a blank line between the list and the Freeswitch section header [20:33:54] luxo == [20:34:13] RoanKattouw, why does it render properly when I'm logged in though? [20:34:24] isno ? [20:34:53] hmmhesays: Dunno. Try it anyway, though [20:35:15] ok [20:35:55] hmmhesays: Second-level bullets also aren't showing up for me [20:36:16] the whole freeswitch section doesn't show up if you aren't logged in [20:36:39] I know, but the second-level bullets in the Quintum section are also gone [20:36:50] made that change, no go. I know I added those yesterday [20:36:55] something has gone goofy in the database [20:37:15] ialex, thanks, didn't see that :) [20:37:37] Wikizine72: als du dein Wiki installiert hast, sah der URL bitte genau wie aus? [20:37:38] Warpath: no problem :) [20:37:40] *Warpath wonders who richard is O_o [20:37:47] *ialex too [20:37:51] XD [20:37:58] ich hab eine idee [20:38:02] molm [20:38:03] mom [20:38:12] hmmhesays: 2008-02-29 03:01:06 [20:38:17] Jack_Phoenix, any idea? [20:38:21] I'm getting a cached version dated 29 Feb [20:38:47] n8 [20:38:53] Purging doesn't solve that [20:38:57] no it didn't [20:39:03] Looks like an old rendering is getting stuck in the pcache [20:39:12] where do I clear that out? [20:39:13] Isnogud: der Pfad auf dem Server ist "mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/testinfo.php5" und der im web direkt "/testinfo.php5". das verwirrt mw irgendwie. [20:39:14] What kind of caching do you use? [20:40:08] is that something you set in mediawiki itself? Or what kind of server caching [20:40:41] es klappt [20:40:47] danke !!! [20:40:49] Luxo: mich hat der pfad von anfang an gewundert. ich schaetze das waehrend der installation ein andere uri benutzt wurde. $wgScriptPath scheint ganz falsch ausgerichtet zu sein [20:41:13] hmmhesays: That's in LocalSettings.php [20:41:20] Wikizine72: naja. also das wuerde ich nicht mit klappen bezeichnen. [20:41:38] Find anything in LocalSettings.php with the word 'cache' in it [20:42:32] Wikizine72: was klappt? nichts klappt. [20:42:47] Luxo: http://www.magic-meeting.com/ [20:42:51] doch bin auf der hauptseite [20:43:00] mom muß umstellen [20:43:11] Isnogud: ? [20:43:26] $wgScriptPath in LocalSettings.php ist falsch. [20:43:26] $configdate = gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) ); [20:43:26] $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate ); [20:43:40] Luxo: haeng noch ein index.php5 ran [20:43:50] Wikizine72: das ist dennoch muell. [20:44:13] 03mkroetzsch * r31596 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/languages/SMW_LanguageFr.php: Updated French translation by Pierre Matringe [20:44:19] Isnogud: der Scriptpfad ist immer noch falsch. [20:44:27] Wikizine72: mach folgendes. die domain zeigt intern auf den pfad: mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ [20:44:35] Wikizine72 das sollte es aber nicht. [20:44:47] hmmhesays: I have a solution. Do you have database access [20:45:00] I do [20:45:07] Wikizine72: mach folgendes: benenne mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ nach mediawiki-1.11.2/wiki/ um [20:45:17] LocalSettings.php öffnen. $wgScriptPath korrigieren. speichern. funktoiniert. [20:45:22] Is this a temp solution or is there something I can set to clear the entire cache [20:45:27] 03huji * r31597 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations [20:45:57] Wikizine72: und lass die domain auf mediawiki-1.11.2 zeigen. installiere dann mit http://www.magic-meeting.com/wiki/config/index.php5 noch mal neu. [20:46:02] Isnogud: wird auch nichts bringen, die LocalSettings.php hat den internen pfad korrekt eingestellt, den $wgScriptPath stimmt nicht. [20:46:07] Then run TRUNCATE TABLE objectcache; [20:47:23] That'll kill all your caches, they'll fill up again [20:47:26] Correctly, hopefully [20:47:32] Wikizine72: mach es so. Es wird das css problem das du jetzt hast loesen. [20:47:36] ok [20:49:42] Luxo: sieht du er hat es mit folgender domain installiert: http://www.musikstars-online.com/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/index.php5?title=Hauptseite/index.php5 [20:49:52] deshalt scheint das alles muell zu sein. [20:50:41] naja. wie auch immer. [20:50:53] $wgScriptPath in LocalSettings.php wird auf "/mediawiki-1.11.2/mediawiki-1.11.2/ " lauten. Ändern in "/" und es wird funktionieren. [20:53:00] brion-work: as you said on the mailing list, would something like http://rafb.net/p/rrpHcJ47.html be better ? [20:53:00] jepp. er hat es unter http://www.musikstars-online.com eingerichtet aber uns auf http://www.magic-meeting.com/ angesetzt. [20:53:24] hmmhesays: Did it work? [20:54:10] Isnogud: wenn das so ist ist alles klar... [20:54:21] looking for my db password [20:54:58] Luxo: jepp. das ist es. mir ist ganz schlecht :) [20:55:38] hi, does the mediawiki software support a way to run multiple wikis on the same server, or do i need to install another instance of MW? [20:55:47] D-Fender1031: It does, lemme search [20:55:54] hmm where is it stored in the code? [20:55:57] !farm | D-Fender1031 [20:55:57] --mwbot-- D-Fender1031: To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see [20:56:04] hmmhesays: LocalSettings.php [20:56:36] yeah I grepped and found it [20:58:11] luxo [20:58:11] wie baut man da seiten sein ? [20:58:14] ? [20:58:22] RoanKattouw, it worked [20:58:26] I wonder wtf was going on there [20:58:29] Me too [20:58:42] But weird shit (corruption?) happens some times [20:58:53] RoanKattouw, ah... the problem is that it's running the debian package which manages it all nicely, but limits what you can do a bit [20:59:10] Then don't use the Debian package [20:59:28] !install | D-Fender1031 [20:59:28] --mwbot-- D-Fender1031: Installing MediaWiki takes between 10 and 30 minutes, and involves uploading/copying files and running the installer script to configure the software. Full instructions can be found in the INSTALL file supplied in the distribution archive. An installation manual can also be found at . See also: !download [21:00:24] Wikizine15: indem du einen wikilink kreeierst diesem dann folgst [21:00:28] !links | Wikizine15 [21:00:28] --mwbot-- Wikizine15: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link [21:00:36] habs schon [21:01:03] RoanKattouw, it's not my box to work with, and i doubt that my boss will like it if he has to deal with the manual install [21:01:38] What if *you* deal with the manual install? It's not like it's that difficult [21:01:58] caching seems to be working ok [21:02:44] hmmhesays: Performance may suffer a bit over the next few days because you have no cache left whatsoever [21:02:53] But it'll catch up [21:03:25] 1) i don't have root acess to my boss's server 2) debian also deals with extensions diffently, so even if i COULD install it for him, he'd still have trouble every time he wants to install an extension [21:05:46] True [21:06:06] Well then I'm afraid we can't really help you; we don't like the Debian packages very much because of these issues [21:07:47] i hear that [21:10:32] well... i guess he'll either have to move all of his MW files then hack debian to think that it hasn't been installed yet, or use the manual install [21:10:51] i told him when he first installed that i thought he should have used the manual install [21:11:01] rather than debian's modified version [21:11:09] You were right [21:11:15] Manual install is very easy, as is upgrade [21:11:29] yeah, but not as easy as a debian install [21:11:37] which is the attractiveness of debian [21:11:57] True [21:12:13] I love APT, don't get me wrong, but the MW packages weren't really designed well [21:12:15] RoanKattouw: is it possible to upload from URL with the API? [21:12:23] And now that they've been designed this way, it's hard to change [21:12:25] yuss: Not yet [21:12:31] which, i will say, is good in most cases, they set everything up real nice, no worrying about it... the only problem is when they have to modify things and lose functionality in the process [21:12:31] cheers [21:12:37] That's some functionality I'm gonna start implementing like next week [21:12:48] ok sweet thanks a lot [21:13:11] RoanKattouw, i agree, they should have just had apt run the manual install automatically [21:13:23] rahter than hack it like that [21:13:29] D-Fender1031: The Debian guys fucked up the directory layout too [21:13:42] then if it did just a regular manual install, tweaking like this would be no problem at all [21:13:49] really? [21:13:50] wow [21:14:24] i've noticed that some of the packages are managed better than others [21:14:39] RoanKattouw: well, if the LocalSettings.php would be a nice ini file it would not be as bad for installing it through a packet manager. [21:15:31] rere [21:15:46] Well pretty much my only criticism on the Debian package is that the directory layout is crazy [21:15:55] RoanKattouw, thats ok, its lot traffic and basically just for my personal use [21:15:59] D-Fender1031: You could probably get a wiki farm done with some LocalSettings.php smartness [21:16:02] Ah ok [21:16:25] I've found it a fantastic way to keep tech notes [21:16:47] good layout simple markup etc... [21:18:32] RoanKattouw, i wouldn't even begin to know what to do [21:18:47] Hmm I did this kind of thing before [21:19:17] i don't know anything about the code behind mediawiki, we simply want to use it to track changes for a project we're working on [21:19:31] i mean, i know how to USE MW like the back of my hand [21:19:36] D-Fender1031: The idea is that you have a central LocalSettings.php that looks at the URL and decides to use LocalSettings.en.php or LocalSettings.de.php [21:19:37] i edit on quite a few wikis [21:19:45] So you'd have en.example.com and de.example.com [21:19:52] Much like Wikipedia [21:19:53] okay [21:23:49] So if you (and your boss) are okay with it, you can set up a system in which you'd have only different LocalSettings files for different wikis [21:23:49] i'm trying to import data into a mediawiki using mechanize. [21:24:03] the mediawiki complains the sessiondata got lost (or something like that) [21:24:06] How to give a specific user admin status? [21:24:09] anybody already migrate medikiwi mysql database to postgresql database ? [21:24:11] !farm | RoanKattouw, D-Fender1031 [21:24:11] --mwbot-- RoanKattouw, D-Fender1031: To run multiple wikis, you do not need anything more than to run one wiki. You simply install them in different folders, and if possible using seperate databases. If you only have one database, simply use a different table prefix. For more advanced setups, see [21:24:15] the localized version of the error message is 'Deine Bearbeitung konnte nicht gespeichert werden, da deine Sitzungsdaten verloren gegangen sind' [21:24:16] !irghts | BjornH [21:24:16] --mwbot-- BjornH: I don't know anything about "irghts". [21:24:17] Duesentrieb: We know [21:24:23] !rights | BjornH [21:24:23] --mwbot-- BjornH: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >. [21:24:33] RoanKattouw: yea but it sounded like you where missing the link :P [21:24:35] sry [21:24:35] Duesentrieb: He's installed the Debian package :( [21:24:41] oktanouc, tank you ! [21:24:54] RoanKattouw: he can uninstall it easily then :) [21:24:55] ? Ok... [21:25:14] Duesentrieb: His boss won't let him [21:25:21] the script apparently keeps the cookie - is there some additional magic that might be missing? [21:25:48] yawn: The token in the form [21:25:54] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 +comment (10mistman123) [21:26:03] There is a hidden element in the form with a token that needs to be passed [21:26:38] RoanKattouw: that should get passed automatically by mechanize. that's the whole point of using it. but if that causes the error message i should doublecheck it ... [21:28:07] n8 [21:29:04] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 +comment (10daniel) [21:31:31] D-Fender1031: Try http://rafb.net/p/oBFNHY81.html (untested), based on virtual hosts [21:32:57] The idea is that you have the pasted file as LocalSettings.php, have files called LocalSettings.common.php, LocalSettings.wiki1.php and LocalSettings.wiki2.php and map wiki1.example.com and wiki2.example.com to the same directory [21:33:17] If the latter part (about virtual hosts) doesn't make sense to you: it will to a website techie [21:34:26] RoanKattouw, what is the attribute ns that comes back with moves of the queries with the API? [21:34:38] yuss: Namespace number [21:34:47] 0 for main namespace, 1 for Talk, etc, [21:34:56] excellent thanks [21:35:03] Full list @ api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces [21:35:25] cheers [21:35:29] MinuteElectron: You there? [21:51:04] folks, i'm trying to enable pdf upload and have defined it in my config file like so: http://rafb.net/p/eJETaB14.html [21:51:34] still i get the following error .pdf is an unwanted file type [22:12:28] 03(mod) clearing one's watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13250 +comment (10ian.cabell) [22:16:53] 03brion * r31598 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/updaters.inc: (log message trimmed) [22:16:53] Rearrange the updaters into chronological order, instead of four separate [22:16:53] groups by type with weird ordering within them. [22:16:53] This should make it a lot easier to avoid regressions due to unnoticed [22:16:54] dependencies, like the one we had in 1.11 which broke upgrades from 1.4 or [22:16:58] below, when someone didn't realize there was an ordering problem and moved [22:17:00] one of the updates for aesthetic grouping reasons. :) (r24608) [22:17:31] 03(mod) Email user bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13259 +comment (10dan_the_man) [22:22:17] hi. is there a postgresql major version which is particularly recommended or some that should be avoided among the supported ones? [22:26:53] 03brion * r31599 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/updaters.inc): Merge updater changes from trunk -- fixes regression in upgrades from 1.4 or below [22:30:27] 03skizzerz * r31600 10/trunk/extensions/EditSubpages/EditSubpages.php: Bugfix for EditSubpages extension [22:46:40] 03brion * r31601 10/trunk/release-tools/upgradeTest.py: [22:46:41] Tweaks to ugprade regression tests [22:46:41] * add 1.10, 1.11, 1.12 branches to the test set [22:46:41] * don't hardcode the php path from my old box ;) [22:46:41] * don't drop databases when done; it's handy to keep them around for post-mortem examinations sometimes [22:49:20] 03brion * r31602 10/trunk/release-tools/ (README make-release.sh): doc tweaks [23:04:33] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 (10mistman123) [23:07:10] chealer: 8.3 if you can, the builtin tsearch will make things a little easier to setup. [23:07:24] G_SabinoMullane: thank you [23:07:25] chealer: Other than that, 8.2.6 is best. [23:09:15] Drat, more subversion checksum mismatches when doing a svn up. Anyone else experiencing that? [23:10:55] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 (10daniel) [23:14:04] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 (10mistman123) [23:18:49] G_SabinoMullane: not me [23:21:51] mysql is teh best! \o/ [23:21:56] *domas pokes Greg [23:24:55] Troll. :( [23:25:38] http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9886332-56.html?tag=tb [23:25:39] :) [23:25:54] Simetrical: Greg is! he said 8.2.6 is best [23:26:09] MediaWiki pastebin? [23:26:20] !pastebin | BjornH [23:26:20] --mwbot-- BjornH: Please do not paste more than 2-3 lines of text into the channel as it disrupts the flow of conversation. Instead please use a pastebin such as and post a link to your paste in the channel. [23:26:35] domas, oh no, Microsoft is using our software? Isn't that against the GPL or something?! [23:29:11] I'm looking at [[Help:Magic words]] but I can't find what I was looking for: __NOCAT__ to hide the Category div at the bottom of an article. Is there anyway to hide the Category in an article? [23:29:49] I don't think so, except of course CSS of some kind (would probably be a pain as well as inaccessible). [23:31:18] skiidoo: the reverse has been implemented recently (1.13alpha): a category can be marked so it doesn't show up at the bnottom of articles it's used on [23:32:56] Duesentrieb: what you says is likely what I'm trying to do. I have my [[Main page]] categorised as [[Category:Top root category]] but i dont want it to be shown in the Main page. And this top root category has only categories affected to, and the [[Main page]]. [23:33:28] not sure if it's what you do [23:33:39] but adding css that would hide all categoreis on the main page should be simple enough [23:33:43] 1.13alpha is not a choice to consider however, so I'll see if I can adapt the CSS Hide H1 trick to hide the category div. [23:33:52] hehe, exactly.. I'll look into that. [23:33:54] The alpha releases are generally about as stable as the branches. [23:34:05] But still __NOCAT__ would be nice, wouldn't it? [23:34:08] Wikipedia runs on them. [23:34:12] The only catch is there aren't security fix announcements, unless they affect previous versions too. [23:34:20] Yeah, maybe. Lots of magic words would be nice. [23:34:23] I thought it was __HIDDENCAT__... [23:34:32] Yes, that does the opposite of what he wants, sort of. [23:34:38] Simetrical: Wikipedia has some gurus to take car of troubles, if any troube occurs :] [23:34:57] Simetrical: err, there are no alpha releases. and no they are not as stable. [23:35:05] __HIDDENCAT__ hides a category from its parents and members. From what I can read, it doesn't affect articles themself. [23:35:13] ah [23:35:38] skiidoo: a hidden cat wouldn't show on the article. [23:36:03] what would be better would be a param on the link itself [[Category:somecategory|A|hidden]] [23:36:05] skiidoo: bit anyway, jsut make a special case for the main page. .page-Main_Page #catlinks { display: none; } [23:36:19] Yeah, what I was thinking of.. [23:36:21] er, hidden|A so defaultsort comes last [23:36:30] s/defaultsort/sort [23:36:41] Duesentrieb, they're as stable if you make sure you use one that was running on Wikipedia for a week or two. [23:36:49] Skizzerz: not more special pseudo-link syntax >_< [23:36:56] :) [23:37:13] Image: has tons of it, why should Category: be left in the dark? [23:37:14] Skizzerz: I'm not sure... That would be a piece of confusion in [[Category]] syntax, where Magic words are made for that and simpel to understand... [23:37:27] I guess there would be some troll-like discussions abotu this point ;) [23:37:38] skiidoo: putting it in the category link itself would allow for per-category hiding [23:37:55] So that would be two different features then :) [23:38:05] perhaps :) [23:38:09] Implement both, thou MediaWiki Devs! =) [23:38:14] *Skizzerz doesn't want to attempt to code either one though [23:38:23] Skizzerz: because abusing link syntax for embedding images was a terrible ideas in the first place? [23:38:46] Duesentrieb: do you have a better way of doing it? [23:39:10] Simetrical: you have a nice way to define what stable means for MediaWiki, that makes sense... [23:39:11] Skizzerz: today i'd use parserfunction syntax. [23:39:12] (and don't say template syntax :P) [23:39:15] makes more sense [23:39:23] what with all the params and whatnot [23:39:34] yeah, parserfunction syntax would be better [23:40:03] although... do parser functions support named params?= [23:40:06] i'd want that [23:40:11] sure, why not? [23:40:26] dunno, havn't tried [23:40:37] just explode the param at the = sign [23:40:40] Excuse my lack of terminology, what do you mean by parserfunction syntax? [23:40:45] like how #switch does it [23:40:46] bah. i said *support* [23:40:54] :) [23:41:10] skiidoo: {{#if:bla|then|else}} thuss like that [23:41:17] Ouch. [23:41:19] skiidoo: these days generally indicated by {{# [23:41:35] Oh ok that makes it clear now thanks [23:41:43] hm, how did i manage to mistype stuff as "thuss"? [23:42:02] Hell if I can understand most of WP templates when it comes to use parser functions, I really have to learn more about it. [23:42:05] Duesentrieb, I would do template syntax with a magic namespace. [23:42:48] skiidoo, that's like saying you can't understand a two thousand-line bash script that implements part of a major bank's website. You should be worried if you *do* understand all of them. [23:43:26] Simetrical: in my (poor) vision of things, that's more or less already the case ; IMAGE: is a magioc namespace where usual [[links]] syntax applies differently. [23:43:44] lol you're right :) [23:43:44] *BrokenArrow wonders what major bank's website is based on a 2,000-line bash script [23:43:44] skiidoo, yes, but I'd use template inclusion syntax. [23:43:48] Maybe WP's templates are not the right place to learn, at least the more complicated ones. [23:43:51] BrokenArrow, probably none, but is VB much better? :) [23:44:00] I'd bet some of them have giant Excel spreadsheets in there. [23:44:07] Or at least Access databases. [23:44:08] VB? They use COBOL :D [23:44:09] cron transfers to switzerland, anyone? :) [23:44:25] Well, COBOL is at least a self-respecting language, if a bit dated. [23:44:31] And Windows for the money distributors >_< [23:44:40] I actually have friends doing billing in cobol for major cellphone providers [23:46:11] and you'd be surprised to discover what gets done in Excel in big consulting firms selling SAP to their clients ;) [23:47:08] Oh, Duesentrieb, fyi, the RawMsg extension was enough for my needs of HTML inclusion, I won't use any transwiki inclusions. [23:47:36] good for you :) [23:48:19] 03(mod) SVG renderer does not support the tag - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 +shell (10brion) [23:48:35] For each [[MediaWiki:rawmsg-stuff]] I create, I {{#rawmsg:stuff}} it in a template so users can still tweak its immediate neighbour texts and stuff. [23:49:57] BrokenArrow, I wouldn't be surprised, I read thedailywtf.com. [23:50:28] you have waaay too much time on your hands ;) [23:51:51] Geez, it's like three posts a day. [23:52:46] If you're going to criticize me for having too much time on my hands, it should be for some other reason, like that I have ~200 votes registered at bugzilla.mozilla.org. [23:52:53] *Simetrical curses winehq.org for only allowing 20 [23:52:59] *Simetrical has used them all up already [23:53:28] 03dale * r31603 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_custom.css: css updates