[00:24:36] <CIA-44>	03rotem * r31986 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Avoid warnings about call-time pass-by-reference.
[00:28:11] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32002 10/trunk/phase3/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 
[00:28:11] <CIA-44>	More rev_deleted merging
[00:28:11] <CIA-44>	*Add suppress option to file delete form. Sprinkle in argument where needed.
[00:28:11] <CIA-44>	*Restrict content at sp:undelete
[00:28:11] <CIA-44>	*FileRepo can deal with images in the 'deleted' FS group (corresponds to a setting of oi_deleted)
[00:51:05] <kirby>	rar
[01:02:16] <CIA-44>	03rainman * r31977 10/branches/lucene-search-2.1/ (20 files in 12 dirs): 
[01:02:16] <CIA-44>	Index rebuilds/updates:
[01:02:16] <CIA-44>	* introduce precursor indexes for prefix and spell
[01:02:16] <CIA-44>	* make precursors incrementaly updateable
[01:02:16] <CIA-44>	* nicer progress reports
[01:07:26] <TehWuzyl>	I just set up a new wiki using MW 1.12.0rc1, and it (a) failed to add the WikiSysop user, and (b) doesn't have a user_rights table. Are either of these things normal, or might they represent a bug?
[01:08:06] <TehWuzyl>	(So now I'm trying to figure out how to make myself a sysop by going directly to MySQL, since there are no sysop users to do it through MW...)
[01:11:43] <TehWuzyl>	(Ok, simple enough -- just add a row to user_groups.)
[01:30:15] <newrkv>	is there a vbulletin mediawiki skin, or vice versa?
[01:31:34] <newrkv>	anyone
[01:31:55] <Soxred93>	There is a mediawiki skin for vbulliten, I think
[01:32:05] <Soxred93>	I don't think there is the other way around
[01:37:53] <newrkv>	do you know where it is
[02:02:49] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r31983 10/trunk/extensions/ (116 files in 111 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-14 18:02 CET)
[02:07:10] <mr-trev>	ping cattelan_away 
[02:07:20] <Dantman>	Bleh... still never on when brion is...
[02:09:01] <Dantman>	Simetrical: ^_^ Another insane project idea... an Extension Definition Facility!
[02:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  +comment (10marc)
[02:12:52] <Coren_>	Blargh; 1.11.2 still has the postgresql timestamp bug.  Is anyone running sucessfuly a svn tree with postgres?
[02:23:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  (10marc)
[02:24:09] <Coren_>	That was me.  I just confirmed the bug still exists in 1.12 svn
[02:31:23] *Coren_ 	grumbles.
[02:31:35] <Coren_>	I suppose this means nobody actually runs MW with postgres.
[02:51:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please make a global Titleblacklist like Spamblacklist on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12484  +comment (10mike.lifeguard)
[02:54:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Only use $wgEmergencyContact for "emergency" emails - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13376 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Email; (Emufarmers)
[03:10:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow timestamps to be used as offsets in log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5446  +comment (10dotkorg)
[03:10:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) High values of "offset" parameter in logs don't work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10913  +comment (10dotkorg)
[03:13:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow timestamps to be used as offsets in log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5446  (10dotkorg)
[03:29:13] <odes2>	hey all, I just changed MediaWiki:Monobook.css --the css changes look great in firefox, but are terrible in explorer (site: 2odessa.com) any suggestions on how to fix this?  
[03:41:26] <odes2>	 I just changed MediaWiki:Monobook.css --the css changes look great in firefox, but are terrible in explorer (site: 2odessa.com) any suggestions on how to fix this?  
[03:49:05] *kirby 	tags Betacommand with {{nonfree}}
[03:54:49] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r31979 10/trunk/phase3/languages/Names.php: Correct documentation on UI language 'mn' to "Halh Mongolian (Cyrillic) (ISO 639-3: khk)"
[03:58:49] <odes2>	HEllo all, anyone there to help? I just changed MediaWiki:Monobook.css --the css changes look great in firefox, but the changes look terrible in internet explorer (site: 2odessa.com) any suggestions on how to fix this?
[04:01:46] <Landlord>	odes2
[04:01:48] <Landlord>	good luck
[04:02:01] <Landlord>	internet explorer just sucks overall and is hard to make stuff look good in
[04:03:00] <Landlord>	also i hardly see a difference between the two, they both look average
[04:06:31] <odes2>	lol
[04:07:01] <odes2>	well glad he is gone
[04:13:01] <odes2>	Hello all, anyone know anything about CSS? I just changed MediaWiki:Monobook.css --the css changes look great in firefox, but the changes look terrible in internet explorer (site: 2odessa.com) any suggestions on how to fix this?
[04:18:28] *Werdna 	waves
[04:19:20] <Werdna>	Shannie: wana suggest a french passage to read today?
[04:22:33] <Shannie>	:O
[04:22:47] <Shannie>	Werdna: Chapter one of Le Petit Prince.
[04:25:02] <Werdna>	Shannie: sauce?
[04:26:16] <Shannie>	Sauce? O_o
[04:26:45] <Werdna>	where can I get it?
[04:27:20] <Shannie>	Weirdo. :P
[04:27:59] <Shannie>	Werdna: http://www3.sympatico.ca/gaston.ringuelet/lepetitprince/chapitre01.html
[04:29:57] <Werdna>	thanks <3
[04:31:20] <Shannie>	:D
[04:33:23] *kirby 	absorbs Shannie
[04:33:55] <Shannie>	o_o
[04:34:25] <Pathoschild>	o.o
[04:34:52] <Random832>	anyone want to work on bug #13025 ?
[04:35:49] <Shannie>	Pathoschild does.
[04:38:25] <odes2>	Hello all, anyone know anything about CSS? I just changed MediaWiki:Monobook.css --the css changes look great in firefox, but the changes look terrible in internet explorer (site: 2odessa.com) any suggestions on how to fix this?
[04:52:51] <Random832>	odes2: it looks the same in both to me - what did ou change?
[04:53:58] <odes2>	really hey RANDOM!
[04:54:37] <odes2>	i just figured out how to change p-navigation, p-search, and p-tb 
[04:54:48] <Soxred93>	*gasp* Yay!
[04:55:04] <odes2>	i modified them so that the toolbars are the same in explorer as in firefox
[04:55:54] <odes2>	I am working on the tabs [p-cactions] now and the p-personal, which is screwed up in explorer 
[04:56:30] <odes2>	p-personal, as you know is the list that shows your user name, watchlist, etc
[04:56:38] <odes2>	thanks for your help before random
[04:57:02] <odes2>	i spent another 1/2 hour after you went to bed and tweeked the last of the problem
[04:57:45] <odes2>	how do you edit css so only the changes are in firefox or in explorer?
[04:58:09] <odes2>	edit MediaWiki:Monobook.css that is
[04:58:40] <simonrvn>	css isn't javascript
[05:00:26] <odes2>	okay, that means nothing to me, so you can't edit css so the changes are in firefox or in explorer only?
[05:01:24] <odes2>	hey random you still there? :)
[05:02:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Preference to toggle edit tools - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11130  (10N/A)
[05:10:04] <odes2>	random?
[05:12:17] <simonrvn>	odes2: not all browsers are the same, some suck more than others, and some don't respect standards enough. hence having to wrok around browser bugs in css and other code. this is what you're seeing. css is a *layout* tool, it has limited function.
[05:14:53] <odes2>	thanks simon, so how do I make explorer and firefox see my webpage generally the same? javascript? And if javscript which file would I edit? thanks 
[05:33:46] <kirby>	is there a way to block particular things from being used in an upload or edit summary ?
[05:36:02] <Splarka>	I believe wikia has a comment blacklist, used to intercept common comments from spambots
[05:36:14] <kirby>	what about locally?
[05:36:18] <Splarka>	(as well as a username blacklist, title blacklist, spam blacklist...)
[05:36:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please make a global Titleblacklist like Spamblacklist on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12484  (10vasilvv)
[05:36:51] <kirby>	im looking to block only the above two, but only those two, still required in articles
[05:40:22] <kirby>	Splarka: which mw message am I looking for? i can't find it
[05:43:02] <Splarka>	is this for wikia? I believe the panel is only available to staff
[05:43:14] <kirby>	yea
[05:43:57] <kirby>	Splarka: you referring to spam regex? i think that would block it in articles too, which is what i don't want
[05:46:27] <Splarka>	last time I used it there were checkboxes for comments, content, etc
[05:46:32] <Splarka>	so should be possible
[05:46:38] <Splarka>	ask a staffer in #wikia
[05:47:04] <kirby>	splarka: what staffer in #wikia ? they all use skype and aren't around on weekends :3
[05:47:25] <Splarka>	no kidding
[05:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) oldwikisource import from meta and commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13377 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jayvdb)
[06:40:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dsb: interwiki prefix missing on srv60 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13017  (10danny_b)
[07:59:34] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32003 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (SpecialUndelete.php filerepo/File.php): Casing consistency
[08:03:04] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) star crashes MediaWiki design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13378 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (metoaster)
[08:03:15] <_wooz>	lo
[08:22:37] <CIA-44>	03rotem * r32004 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update.
[08:23:46] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32005 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[08:23:46] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations
[08:23:46] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations
[08:23:46] <CIA-44>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[08:24:07] <CIA-44>	03vasilievvv * r32006 10/trunk/extensions/TitleBlacklist/TitleBlacklist.hooks.php: Output pretty message on forbidden uploads
[08:31:16] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32007 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[08:31:16] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations
[08:31:16] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations
[08:31:16] <CIA-44>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[08:33:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  (10overlordq)
[08:35:17] <falieson>	is there a way to have an internal link [[foobar]] not just go to index.php?title=foobar but also to a heading on the foobar page?
[08:37:50] <batman1983>	hey, i've a problem: i imported the german wikipedia dump in a new mediawiki install, but the site doesn't look like wikipedia. if i search a word, i got no right results. perhaps anybody can check this: www.drupal.allround-pc.com/mediawiki
[08:37:55] <Splarka>	[[foobar#baz]]
[08:38:00] <Splarka>	will go to ==baz==
[08:41:02] <falieson>	sweet! thats the way it should be!
[08:41:35] <Dantman>	Bleh... Try to find a DB abstraction layer like MW's, and you find shit...
[08:41:35] <falieson>	Splarka similarly, how about an external link into a wiki? index.php?title=foobar#baz work too?
[08:45:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) {{#expr: working - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13379 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (subhash.raut)
[08:47:10] <Splarka>	falieson: yah, that function is independant of mediawiki
[08:47:13] <Nikerabbit>	should it not work?
[08:48:07] <Nikerabbit>	maybe we really should introduce unformatnum or extend formatnum
[08:48:14] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: after importing from XML, you need to run the refrashAll.php script to update the search index and link tables. note that this may take a long time for a large wiki
[08:48:15] <Splarka>	it is usually called the fragment, and indicates an object on the page to jump to (clasically an anchor, eg <a name="baz">
[08:48:33] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32008 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/LocalFile.php: Remove unused variables
[08:48:49] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: also, you need to install all extensions used on wikipedia, and you have to make your settings compatible (most importantly, enable wgUserTidy)
[08:48:50] <batman1983>	Duesentrieb: how do i run this?
[08:48:55] <Splarka>	but it should work in most modern browsers on any id="" contained object as well
[08:49:11] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: just the way you ran importDump.php...
[08:49:18] <batman1983>	ok
[08:49:27] <batman1983>	i think, there is missing something :)
[08:49:31] <Duesentrieb>	but install extensions first. and adjust settings
[08:49:32] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: could we use {{formatnum:blaa|R}} ?
[08:49:41] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: huh?
[08:49:56] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: for formatting numbers for math?
[08:49:57] <Splarka>	that wouldn't help the numbers already formatted before being passed to message parameters
[08:50:13] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: yes it would help exactly to that
[08:50:15] <Splarka>	unless that is the same as 'unformatnum'
[08:50:22] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: sorry, i have no clue what is supproted currently, or what the implications would be
[08:50:25] <Splarka>	but then formatnum is a silly name for it ^_^
[08:50:31] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: not it isn't
[08:50:37] <Nikerabbit>	it is just another format, after all
[08:50:40] <Splarka>	{{unformatnum:$1}}
[08:50:56] <Duesentrieb>	i don't like nmagic template names... those should be proper parser functions
[08:50:56] <Nikerabbit>	there is nothing 'un' in it
[08:51:24] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: oh, and as a reminder:
[08:51:27] <Nikerabbit>	well {{formatnum:blaa}} and {{#unformatnum:boo}} would be even worse for consistency :D
[08:51:29] <Duesentrieb>	!credit | batman1983
[08:51:29] --mwbot--	batman1983: NOTE: when using content from another wiki, follow the LICENSE TERMS, especially, attribute source and authors! Please read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content>.
[08:51:32] <Splarka>	it is somewhat counter-intuitive, and might not even be possible, given the variety of languages and their numerical effects...?
[08:51:49] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: yea. legacy cruft :/
[08:52:00] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: it would work like plural and grammar and formatnum already do, depend on the language
[08:52:08] <batman1983>	thx, Duesentrieb. i read it before too
[08:52:20] <Nikerabbit>	there is already code that reverses the cultural formatting for a given locale
[08:52:29] <Splarka>	might need... {{unformatnum:1,111}} would assume contentlang, or userlang, or uselang... and {{unformatnum:1,1111|sv}} would allow a language to unformat from
[08:52:37] <Splarka>	or such
[08:52:50] <Nikerabbit>	nah
[08:53:01] <Nikerabbit>	we don't have any other functions that allow using arbitrary languages
[08:53:12] <Nikerabbit>	so let's not introduce them until they are needed
[08:55:30] <Splarka>	well, then.. lets say...
[08:55:46] <Splarka>	you formatnum in swedish: {{formatnum:1.111}}
[08:55:51] <Splarka>	you get 1,111
[08:56:12] <Splarka>	isn't that, well, ambiguous across languages?
[08:56:19] <Duesentrieb>	very
[08:56:40] <Splarka>	so, wouldn't it be, well, a bit helpful to be able to specify the language when unformatnumming?
[08:56:42] <Duesentrieb>	but if the input's language context is known (contentlang)
[08:57:07] <Duesentrieb>	and the output's language content is unambiguous (userlang)... then there shouldn't be a problem, should there?
[08:57:27] <Duesentrieb>	got to be carefull with the input format on multilingual projects i guess.
[08:57:41] <Splarka>	does formatnum in system messages use the userlang/uselang ?
[08:58:08] <Duesentrieb>	dunno. it should - the messages are userlang, so should be the formatting
[08:58:19] <Splarka>	note that in wikicode it seems to use contentlang all the time, so if you were, say, using subst'd interwiki transclusions... or cross-site api calls..
[08:58:28] <falieson>	Splarka: ah thanks mate, I haven't actually used that HTML function since a decade ago (when I first learned HTML, has it been so long?)
[08:59:02] <Splarka>	the problem of course, is that formatnum is a lossy conversion, you can't get back what you had
[08:59:13] <Splarka>	but formatnum + the language (when known) can be undone, in theory
[08:59:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow timestamps to be used as offsets in log pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5446  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[09:00:37] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allowing blocked users to see the wikisource of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13380 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (dejan.papez)
[09:01:00] <Splarka>	so, assuming you do know the language, like if you did an API call to the swedish wikipedia, you could undo it, but... assuming Nikerabbit's dismissal of the above suggestion, only by changing languages to the language you want to convert from? (or using an action=parse api call or something, to the origin wiki)
[09:01:39] <Splarka>	(or not format numbers before passing them as template parameters, or allow a method to get the unformatted number, like $$1... heh)
[09:01:49] <Splarka>	subst/template parameters/message parameters
[09:02:44] <Nikerabbit>	http://translatewiki.net/sandwiki/index.php/Sandbox
[09:03:26] <falieson>	I am looking at wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox and want to use this template in my own mediawiki. Where can I find the template that I should use? (This is my first time using a premade tempalte)
[09:03:29] <falieson>	*template
[09:03:54] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: and that took only 10 minutes
[09:04:32] <Splarka>	yah, 10 minutes to load
[09:04:37] *Splarka 	waits for the site to reply
[09:05:19] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: it's my testwiki with caching disabled, that's why it's slow
[09:05:36] <Splarka>	that still doesn't address the above issue
[09:05:44] <Nikerabbit>	which was?
[09:05:52] <Splarka>	if you formatnum 1111 in swedish and try to unformatnum in english, it won't work 
[09:06:15] <Nikerabbit>	and why would you do that?
[09:06:24] <Splarka>	...
[09:06:27] <Splarka>	why wouldn't you?
[09:06:46] <Nikerabbit>	don't answer with a question
[09:07:03] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[09:07:16] <Splarka>	don't ask a question when the answer is in the scrollback
[09:07:40] <Nikerabbit>	we know the language
[09:07:55] <Nikerabbit>	I don't see what is the problem here
[09:08:16] <Splarka>	did you read everything I said in the 10 minutes you were coding?
[09:08:54] <falieson>	I think he is looking now
[09:09:42] <Nikerabbit>	formatnum, grammar and plural are only for interface messages or for content in content language sometimes, they are not meant to support all languages everywhere
[09:10:07] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not creating a new paradigm here, just adding functionality to formatnum that is inside the paradigm we have
[09:10:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide a list of unsuccessful searches - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6373  (10dejan.papez)
[09:10:59] <Nikerabbit>	if you want something that works for every language, you can install my i18ntags extension
[09:11:12] <Splarka>	sure, but the functionality is only partly functional, and has the potential to fail in certain circumstances
[09:12:24] <Nikerabbit>	but we don't have those circumstances in the paradigm we currently support, that is interface messages and sometimes content in content language
[09:12:38] <Splarka>	and actually, what I was suggesting, is a route for it not to need to work for every language... (which would be hard to do, if not impossible, without specifying the language somehow in the formatted number)
[09:12:54] <Splarka>	by letting one specify the language themselves
[09:13:17] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: if you want that, install the extension
[09:13:22] <Nikerabbit>	we don't support that in core
[09:13:33] <Splarka>	chilly
[09:13:45] <Nikerabbit>	you can't specify language to grammar nor plural, and not for formatnum either
[09:14:08] <Splarka>	sure, but how often do you do #expr on {{plural}} output...
[09:14:37] <Splarka>	and how many interface messages have parameters that are pre-grammared and pre-formatnummed in the software, and not in the message itself?
[09:14:38] <Nikerabbit>	not for output at least
[09:14:56] <Splarka>	apples and oranges...
[09:14:57] <Nikerabbit>	all numbers in interface should be preformatted
[09:15:16] <Dantman>	mmmm... AutoLoad+
[09:15:51] <Nikerabbit>	and plural doesn't care, it does the same what {{formatnum:baa|R}} will do if I commit it
[09:17:47] *Splarka 	starts over a bit
[09:17:49] <Splarka>	the problem is, you formatnum server-side, and the data is lossily converted before you can get at it
[09:18:08] <Splarka>	you compare it to grammar and plural, which are used and changable in the interface messages
[09:18:15] <Splarka>	so I don't see why you use those as an alibi?
[09:19:39] <Nikerabbit>	alibi for what?
[09:20:08] <Nikerabbit>	and it's not lossy, we know the output and the language, so we can convert it back
[09:20:53] <Splarka>	"we" being the server
[09:21:13] <Splarka>	and that assumes the user only wants what the server knows
[09:22:10] <Nikerabbit>	I'm not following...
[09:22:23] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32009 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Add support for extension Preloader
[09:22:37] <Splarka>	well, lemme give you an example, and you'll say "why would you do that?" but you know someone will
[09:22:47] <Nikerabbit>	if you want to use raw numbers in interface.. you can do that
[09:23:12] <Nikerabbit>	if you want to use raw numbers in content.. you can do that if they are formatted like formatnum does for the content language
[09:24:12] <Splarka>	say you do a {{#expr:{{unformatnum:{{subst:swedishscarytransclusionprefix:template:sitestats}} }} }}
[09:24:25] <Splarka>	where the template:sitestats is using an int:
[09:25:12] <Nikerabbit>	sitestats can produce raw numbers
[09:25:14] <Splarka>	*you* know the language, but the server wouldn't
[09:26:01] <Splarka>	so saying "we know the output and the language" is not always sufficient, IMHO
[09:26:52] <Nikerabbit>	but even if it couldn't server raw numbers, you are extentending the paradigm, don't you see it?
[09:27:24] <Splarka>	well, mostly I am pointing out the silliness of the situation
[09:27:37] <Splarka>	why not move all formatnum to the interface messages?
[09:27:45] <Splarka>	instead of hard-coded
[09:27:57] <Nikerabbit>	makes them more messy
[09:28:06] <Nikerabbit>	for no obvious gain?
[09:28:45] <Nikerabbit>	if we look at the bug again...
[09:29:00] <Nikerabbit>	they guy probably only wants to do some math and let users input their numbers in native format
[09:29:28] <Nikerabbit>	and he can do that if there is unformatnum whatever it is called
[09:29:54] <Splarka>	*assuming the same language
[09:29:59] *Splarka 	disclaimers that
[09:30:39] <Nikerabbit>	if you want to have a multilanguage support in your wiki, I recommend my extension :)
[09:31:21] <Splarka>	with the api callbacks comes the possiblity of much more inter-domain communication
[09:31:45] <Splarka>	<script src="api callback call"> (no XSS blockage)
[09:32:51] <Nikerabbit>	wouldn't it be a poor api to return preformatted numbers?
[09:33:55] <Splarka>	wouldn't it be a poor bit of software to only allow the possibility of returning preformatted numbers in interface messages? heh
[09:34:25] <Nikerabbit>	are you talking about leeching interface messages from another wiki? you don't want to do that
[09:34:38] <Splarka>	despite the great work done on the API, it is still lacking much in the way of features
[09:34:51] <Splarka>	sometimes scraping the page or parsing remotely is the only option
[09:35:10] <Nikerabbit>	s/only option/only workaround/
[09:36:04] <Splarka>	s/only workaround/only option until someone fixes it, but they won't, because they feel it would clutter something or create a deviant paradigm, or upset the zeitgeist, or ruin the chi... or something/
[09:37:03] <Splarka>	but I'll give you 10 days to ponder it
[09:37:15] <Nikerabbit>	and then... you kill me? :o
[09:37:28] <Splarka>	[09:48:08] <Splarka>	{{unformatnum:}} *giggle*
[09:37:29] <Splarka>	[09:52:54] <Nikerabbit>	and that is likely to happen.. no
[09:37:43] <Splarka>	... 10 days later ...
[09:37:44] <Splarka>	<Nikerabbit> maybe we really should introduce unformatnum or extend formatnum
[09:37:50] <falieson>	I am looking at wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox and want to use this template in my own mediawiki. Where can I find the template that I should use? (This is my first time using a premade template)
[09:38:04] <falieson>	*template code
[09:38:10] <Nikerabbit>	Splarka: well let's see
[09:38:18] <Nikerabbit>	-'
[09:38:47] <Splarka>	falieson: the first thing you'll need to do is enable tidy, to use that template
[09:38:49] <Splarka>	!tidy
[09:38:49] --mwbot--	For more information about HTML Tidy, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[09:38:52] <Nikerabbit>	but don't hope too much of me supporting some hacky workarounds :o
[09:39:02] <Splarka>	because it uses dispersed html tables
[09:39:18] <Splarka>	more versitile options != supporting hacky workarounds
[09:39:45] <Nikerabbit>	well
[09:40:07] <Splarka>	falieson: after that, you'll need to copy anything with .infobox stylings from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[09:40:25] <Nikerabbit>	if we really really really want that, we can introduce {{#(un)formatnumber:language|baa}} or whatever
[09:40:35] <Nikerabbit>	but I think we are not going to add it to existing formatnum
[09:40:39] <Splarka>	and if that wasn't enough, you also have to copy the subtemplates of that template
[09:41:06] <Splarka>	enwp's Template:Infobox is rather an esoteric template to try to copy, if it is your first time
[09:42:19] <Splarka>	well, I see {{formatnum:}} as sort of a {{fuckupdata:}}, so I don't see much call for versitility in that ^_^
[09:42:54] <Nikerabbit>	well then I'm going to extend it to add support unfuckmydata
[09:43:10] <Splarka>	obviously the goal of mediawiki is to support easy formats for the masses... like &action=editredlink (or &action=edit&redlink=true), and title="foobar (not yet created)", breaking bots, but making the interface more intuitive, = good thing
[09:43:42] <Splarka>	but adding more options that don't affect backward compatability, don't change existing behavior, and don't even need a big scary announcement, but add versitility, seem good
[09:44:45] <Splarka>	and I might argue that it wouldn't hurt to have plural and grammar allow a language parameter either... but that would be simply playing devil's advocate
[09:45:01] <Splarka>	and he hasn't granted me any of my soul-trading boons, so I am not gonna play
[09:47:07] <MinuteElectron>	Is it bad form to output 'raw' XHTML (generated using manually strings) as opposed to the Xml:: functions?
[09:47:53] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: it's more error prone with regards to escaping, nesting, and general syntax.
[09:48:10] <MinuteElectron>	When trying to generate a lot of code using them functions it becomes confusing and dfficult to read\maintain. But on the other hand it helps maintain good syntax.
[09:48:17] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: yeah
[09:48:18] <Duesentrieb>	though raw XML may make the source terser and easier to read, avoiding other types of errors.
[09:48:21] <Duesentrieb>	then again, it may not.
[09:50:04] <Nikerabbit>	some nice xml writer would be nice but...
[09:50:35] <Nikerabbit>	maybe someday we could add nodes to the output instead of xhtml :o
[09:51:23] <MinuteElectron>	I'm leaning towards using raw XHTML, most of the code I'm doing at the moment is staticc so once run through a validator I can be sure that it is and (unless it gets changed) always will be well formed and valid.
[09:51:37] <MinuteElectron>	Nikerabbit: nodes?
[09:51:59] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: is there is just lots of it, maybe use a template?
[09:52:02] <Nikerabbit>	if there*
[09:52:13] <MinuteElectron>	uh, i dont' know
[10:16:50] <NicDumZ>	Nikerabbit: I failed at finding in the code where the error message for http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Invalidsdfsdkfjslfkjsfjfjlf is being generated. Could you help, maybe ? :þ
[10:18:20] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32010 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesKk_arab.php MessagesKk_cyrl.php MessagesKk_latn.php): Remove trailing whitespace in messages
[10:23:59] <Nikerabbit>	NicDumZ: noarticletext?
[10:37:01] <Lastwebpage>	what is the easiest way to use [image:...|left] and a list with * ?
[10:37:36] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32011 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/MessageGroups.php: * Use stringmangler for freecol
[10:40:13] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32012 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/CoreParserFunctions.php): * Magic word formatnum can now take raw suffix to undo formatting
[10:46:41] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32013 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (8 files): * Some cleanups
[10:51:06] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32014 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: * Throw some E_USER_NOTICES that developers may actually notice if they are still using deprecated functions
[10:51:09] <Nikerabbit>	darn, A2` broke my commit spree
[10:52:48] <A2`>	xD
[10:58:51] <Dantman>	T_T No __call for static till php 5.3... well that just screws up plans...
[11:03:26] <Dantman>	Well... AutoLoad+ looks nice... And some of MLPHAbstract is through, but that has a hitch that what I want doesn't work unless I use alpha php
[11:05:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) star crashes MediaWiki design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13378  (10nicdumz)
[11:05:45] <Nikerabbit>	what is autoload+ ?
[11:06:25] <Dantman>	A little library idea of mine
[11:06:45] <Dantman>	The issue is that multiple libraries can't all __autoload their classes
[11:07:00] <Dantman>	Because if one defined __autoload() then the others wouldn't be able to define it
[11:07:31] <Dantman>	((In the senario that apps are being developed independantly and can't collaborate on putting autoloads together or whatever))
[11:07:58] <Dantman>	The idea is a special library which the other libraries and apps can depend on to allow all of them to use a unified autoload
[11:08:04] <Dantman>	^_^ In other words AutoLoad+
[11:08:46] <Dantman>	It handles autoloading itself, and other libraries just include it and register their classes
[11:08:51] *Werdna 	waves
[11:16:50] <facefaceface>	if I have a template that expects a parameter, can I use IF to hack it to work when no parameter is passed?
[11:17:44] <facefaceface>	hrm... actually the real problem is that the parameter is used 10+ times within the template, so I should use a better system.
[11:18:17] <facefaceface>	(I don't think you can assign a thing like {{pagename}} to {{{parameter}}} when {{{parameter}}} is not assigned?
[11:22:08] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: {{{foo|bar}} assigns a default valur
[11:22:23] <Duesentrieb>	err, add another } there
[11:23:11] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb are you able to merge two accounts?
[11:23:19] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[11:23:40] <Duesentrieb>	i only have superpowers on the toolserver.
[11:23:42] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb are you able to point me to a person that can merge two accounts?
[11:23:50] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb you can fly?
[11:24:06] <Duesentrieb>	sometimes
[11:24:23] *White_Cat 	uses tinkerbell on Duesentrieb
[11:24:30] <Duesentrieb>	merge two accounts... i don'ät think that is possible at all, without manual hacking of the database
[11:24:50] <Duesentrieb>	so, in theory, anyone with direct db access could do it - but probably won't without a VERY good reason
[11:25:02] <facefaceface>	Duesentrieb, that looks cool... so I could say {{{param|{{pagename}}}}} ... which isn't sooo bulky
[11:25:20] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: yep
[11:25:51] <Duesentrieb>	facefaceface: also very common is {{#if:{{{foo|}}|bla|blubb}}
[11:25:56] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb I want my deleted edits back
[11:26:01] <White_Cat>	they were stolen away from me
[11:26:16] <White_Cat>	deleted and undeleted edits
[11:26:46] <facefaceface>	ty
[11:26:48] <Duesentrieb>	White_Cat: i guess that kind of decision would be up to a steward.
[11:26:56] <White_Cat>	steward cant do it
[11:27:01] <White_Cat>	you said it yourself
[11:27:07] <White_Cat>	db access :)
[11:27:20] <Duesentrieb>	but they can decide it
[11:27:31] <White_Cat>	they are legally my edits, and I want them to be under my new account name
[11:27:33] <Duesentrieb>	tech people with db access shouldn't decide stuff like that, imho
[11:27:33] <White_Cat>	aka white cat
[11:27:45] <flyingparchment>	ahahah 'legally my edits'
[11:27:54] <White_Cat>	flyingparchment I made them when I was cool cat
[11:27:58] <White_Cat>	the edits were deleted
[11:28:01] <White_Cat>	I got a username rename
[11:28:08] <White_Cat>	edits were undeleted
[11:28:10] <flyingparchment>	do you ever edit anything anymore or just complain on IRC about your 300 usernames all day?
[11:28:11] <White_Cat>	and here we are
[11:28:36] <White_Cat>	I dont have 300 usernames to complain about
[11:28:46] <Duesentrieb>	if it's just about correctiong a technical shortcomming (user renaming not working for deleted edits) you should have a good chance to get it done
[11:28:49] <Duesentrieb>	ask a steward
[11:29:04] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb can I quote you on that?
[11:29:29] <Duesentrieb>	sure. not that my oppinion has much weight in such matters.
[11:29:42] <Duesentrieb>	i don't even have shell access
[11:30:18] <White_Cat>	BP access?
[11:30:27] <Duesentrieb>	BP?
[11:30:35] <Duesentrieb>	British Petrol?
[11:30:52] <Duesentrieb>	ah, shell. bp
[11:30:54] <Duesentrieb>	hawhaw.
[11:32:18] <NicDumZ>	White_Cat: account merges are generally a no-no amongst stewards
[11:32:35] <NicDumZ>	there are several problems
[11:33:05] <Duesentrieb>	well, according to what he said, it's not really the merging of two accounts, but reassigning his changed username to edits now bound to his old oser name
[11:33:05] <NicDumZ>	you would need to provide a proof that you own both accounts
[11:33:11] <Duesentrieb>	both names refering to the same account id.
[11:33:40] <NicDumZ>	ah.
[11:33:51] <Duesentrieb>	IF that is the case, i would say he should have a chance. though if there are any problems, i don't think its so terribly important.
[11:34:15] <NicDumZ>	but, actually. When his account got renamed, why didnt the deleted edits got renamed ? It's most likely a problem on MW side, insnt it ?
[11:34:30] <Duesentrieb>	it's a known shortcomming of the user rename script
[11:34:39] <NicDumZ>	right.
[11:34:57] <NicDumZ>	hard to improve ?
[11:35:15] <Duesentrieb>	shouldn't be, but i havn't looked at it in detail.
[11:35:33] *White_Cat 	has a no edit left behind policy
[11:35:33] <NicDumZ>	might give it a look, later, then.
[11:35:42] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. i don't know if it was simply forgotten, or if there was a reason not to do it
[11:36:00] <NicDumZ>	yup
[11:36:05] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb it has been fixed
[11:36:17] <White_Cat>	but only new deletions and username renames are affected by the fix
[11:37:46] <NicDumZ>	however, if your request was fullfilled, chances are that a lot of renamed users are going to ask the same :s
[11:38:15] <NicDumZ>	for that reason, I don't think that someone is going to risk receiving dozen of requests :s
[11:38:44] <White_Cat>	NicDumZ all in a days work
[11:38:57] <White_Cat>	I value my edits
[11:39:00] <White_Cat>	<3 edits
[11:39:44] <NicDumZ>	I missed the meaning of "all in a days work". I'm only a stupid French guy :s
[11:41:08] <White_Cat>	http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/be+all+in+a+day's+work
[11:41:52] <NicDumZ>	right, thanks.
[11:42:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for New Namespace at Marathi language wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13046  (10ksamudra)
[11:42:16] <NicDumZ>	and... do EC list your old deleted edits ?
[11:46:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for New Namespace at Marathi language wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13046  (10ksamudra)
[11:46:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Rename the "Wikipedia" namespace to " =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=B5=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=95=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=AA=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=A1?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=AF=E0=A4=BE?=" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13300  (10ksamudra)
[11:46:54] <Dantman>	Simetrical: What do you think about being able to load an extension inside of LocalSettings using something like "include extension( 'CheckUser' );"?
[11:49:05] <Nikerabbit>	how would it know where it is?
[11:54:27] <Nikerabbit>	??
[12:00:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pages protected before creation of Protection Log not displayed in Special :Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9648  (10meno25wiki)
[12:02:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Text shifted to left in Special:Movepage - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9649  (10meno25wiki)
[12:02:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pages protected before creation of Protection Log not displayed in Special :Protectedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9648  (10meno25wiki)
[12:03:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Two variables are not working in MediaWiki: Sitestatstext in Arabic Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9412  (10meno25wiki)
[12:09:00] <Dantman>	Nikerabbit: Keeping to standard practice...
[12:09:08] <Dantman>	extensions/Name/Name.php
[12:09:45] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: I don't find that a very good solution
[12:10:08] <Dantman>	Well that isn't the only part of it
[12:10:15] <Nikerabbit>	standardisation yes, forcing some arbitrary ways no
[12:10:23] <Dantman>	The idea was an Extension Definition Facility
[12:10:41] <Dantman>	That's just default
[12:11:18] <Dantman>	However, the practice of putting extensions in their own directories with their name is a normal practice now
[12:11:30] <Dantman>	The actual data would be stored in an .edf file
[12:11:50] <Nikerabbit>	which would contain..?
[12:11:57] <Dantman>	Various data
[12:12:24] <Dantman>	Including dependencies, main file to load, installation/upgrade info locations, etc...
[12:20:07] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman: why re-invent the wheel? there's a lot of http-based plain-file repos package managemnt / installation thingies out there. why not simply use pear or apt sor some such?
[12:22:15] <Dantman>	^_^ Because most of those either don't know how to add some MW updating stuff, are dependant on a single platform, or act like cruftware... Plus they're mostly not meant for this kind of use
[12:23:42] <Dantman>	Besides... if your app is made in php... why require installation of something else...
[12:23:54] <Dantman>	Especially if you're also trying to make it useable without SSH
[12:23:57] <Duesentrieb>	then at least build on some known format/protocol/standard and extend it
[12:24:29] <Duesentrieb>	pear should come with pretty much any php install these days i guess
[12:25:58] <Dantman>	I've found PEAR occationally is an installation hastle... twas quite annoying to get it to work when I tried it
[12:29:36] <Dantman>	However... PEAR Extensions like VersionControl_SVN, and HTTP_Client, as well as something for FTP would be good for getting things
[12:29:48] <flyingparchment>	Extension Definition Facility < something's wrong when you come up with a fancy name like that before you've even started
[12:31:40] <Dantman>	Ever heard of ASDF?
[12:32:19] <Dantman>	Name's not that fancy... Just a simple twist of an existing type of name where part of the idea came from
[12:32:38] <Nikerabbit>	I wouldn't use PEAR for mw extensions
[12:33:03] <Dantman>	Me neither...
[12:34:42] <Nikerabbit>	but I don't see how any edf for or something else would help to the part where you put something in localsettings.php
[12:36:17] <Nikerabbit>	maybe if we had some web interface or something... but we probably wont
[12:38:05] <Dantman>	gracefull fallbacks for errors... actually being able to run a maintenance script to do the sql installation/upgrade for an extension instead of manually doing it...
[12:38:39] <Dantman>	Web interface is other half... Think [[Special:Extensions]] listing ones available, and if they are installed or not
[12:39:36] <Nikerabbit>	it would be nice eyecandy and overview, but not that useful
[12:41:09] <Dantman|FS>	Tis when that interface lets you enable/disable/install them and new ones... Plus [[Special:Version]] doesn't give much table room for full information
[12:42:23] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman|FS: anything web based that lets you a) change what code is being run and b) download code from somewhere else is VERY DANGEROUS.
[12:42:37] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman|FS: you have to make it absolutly bullet proof - which is probably impossible
[12:42:49] <flyingparchment>	you also need secure authentication
[12:42:51] <Duesentrieb>	the very least is accepting only signed extensions. 
[12:42:55] <flyingparchment>	which i guess 99% of mediawikis don't have
[12:43:00] <Duesentrieb>	right
[12:43:26] <flyingparchment>	maybe we should steal livejournal's challenge-response javascript auth ;)
[12:43:44] <flyingparchment>	although i don't think that works with hashed passwords
[12:44:08] <Duesentrieb>	which reminds me...
[12:44:11] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mw_tools
[12:44:16] <Dantman|FS>	Wikimedia SVN sounds signed enough...
[12:44:31] <flyingparchment>	Dantman|FS: no.  anonymous svn is over plaintext, unauthentication connection
[12:44:33] <Duesentrieb>	i asked the author if there was some kind of password protection to this, because the description doesn't mention it
[12:44:36] <Duesentrieb>	no answer yet...
[12:45:10] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman|FS: you would want signed bundles
[12:45:37] <Nikerabbit>	Duesentrieb: signed extensions?
[12:45:39] <Duesentrieb>	Dantman|FS: also only ~10% of extensions are in the wikimedia repos
[12:45:51] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: yes?
[12:45:56] <Nikerabbit>	so that they are not tampered or so that they are not tampered and verified by somone?
[12:46:10] <flyingparchment>	Nikerabbit: so they are not tampered with between the source and the destination
[12:46:16] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: i would leave that up to the signed.
[12:46:19] <Duesentrieb>	err, signer
[12:46:24] <flyingparchment>	using ssl for download would work too, but is harder to implement
[12:46:35] <Duesentrieb>	ideall the system would be informative about who signes what assertion about the bundle.
[12:46:44] <Duesentrieb>	*idealy
[12:46:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) request for New Namespace at Marathi language wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13046   +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[12:47:05] <Duesentrieb>	the author signing "this is what i wrote" may be enough in some cases.
[12:47:17] <Duesentrieb>	brion signin "this is not bullshit" may be required in others
[12:47:20] <flyingparchment>	in most cases i think automatic signing by the repository is enough
[12:47:29] <flyingparchment>	other forms of signature should be optional
[12:47:33] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[12:48:09] <Duesentrieb>	but a repos signature is the very least. otherwise simple dns spoofing could let attackers inject arbitrary code
[12:48:17] <Nikerabbit>	that would probably be usefull without installer too
[12:48:24] <Duesentrieb>	not to speak of what a man in the middle can do
[12:49:33] <Duesentrieb>	Nikerabbit: indeed
[12:55:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (daniel.oconnor)
[12:57:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10daniel.oconnor)
[13:00:18] <MinuteElectron>	when tackling the issue of an extension repository myself I came to a variety of conculsions:
[13:01:20] <MinuteElectron>	1) A unified extension information format is required so the repository and MediaWiki installation would have basic information about the extension such as name, author, etc. (the stuff already included in $wgExtesnionCredits, but in a much more accessible format and allowing for more information).,
[13:01:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10raimond.spekking)
[13:02:04] <MinuteElectron>	2) A unified configuration definition mechanism allowing extension to define what settings it has and provide validation functions for them.
[13:03:08] <Nikerabbit>	sounds like IntValidator which sounds like Java
[13:03:29] <flyingparchment>	hehe, this would be much easier in java
[13:03:33] <flyingparchment>	just make extensions a jar
[13:03:37] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[13:03:39] <Dantman|FS>	rofl
[13:03:57] <Dantman|FS>	Bah... I forgot to copy TitleNormalizer.php to my portable drive before I left the house...
[13:09:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10daniel.oconnor)
[13:10:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10daniel.oconnor)
[13:23:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve the XHTML strictness - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13381  (10daniel.oconnor)
[13:23:52] <BartVB>	Is it feasible to replace a namespace (Talk: in this case) with an extension?
[13:25:15] <Dantman|FS>	Hmmm....
[13:25:29] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ If my title rewrite goes through... it may actually be.... rofl
[13:25:47] <Dantman|FS>	Mmmm.... prefix/suffix namespaces...
[13:33:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) star crashes MediaWiki design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13378  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:35:40] <domas>	death star!
[13:36:32] <ViRuSbOy>	O_O
[13:38:40] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[13:38:48] <Nikerabbit>	the title is passed unescaped to text, I guess
[13:44:52] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32015 10/trunk/extensions/AjaxShowEditors/Load.php: * Use full path
[13:45:10] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32016 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES skins/MonoBook.php): (bug 7251) Sidebars generated by MediaWiki:Sidebar now have the class 'generated-sidebar'.
[13:45:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) A way to see which portlets are due to MediaWiki:Sidebar - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7251  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[13:50:37] <Pixi>	hi
[13:52:18] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32017 10/trunk/phase3/skins/Modern.php: Also applying r32016 to the Modern skin.
[13:54:47] <texxy>	I have a problem, who can help me?  pls
[13:55:26] <Nikerabbit>	please tell your problem first
[13:56:00] <texxy>	I have my own wiki and I get this message
[13:56:42] <texxy>	Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in /wiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 1649
[13:57:00] <texxy>	can't create directory "public/b/b0".
[13:59:51] <MinuteElectron>	!safemode | texxy 
[13:59:51] --mwbot--	texxy: safe_mode is an ill-concieved, broken-by-design setting in PHP that is supposed to make broken scripts safe. It was deprecated in PHP5 and removed in PHP6. MediaWiki can run with safe_mode enabled, but many of the advanced features will not work or need additional configuration (image thumbnailing using ImageMagick, for example). See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Safe_mode for more information.
[14:01:59] <Nikerabbit>	or just permission error
[14:03:34] <texxy>	I rather tink it's permission
[14:04:46] <texxy>	now I'm seeing that .htaccess is empty :(
[14:05:15] <texxy>	what should be in this file?
[14:19:00] <CIA-44>	03huji * r32018 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesFa.php): 
[14:19:00] <CIA-44>	* Adding/updating Persian translations
[14:19:00] <CIA-44>	* Rebuilding Messages(Fa|En).php
[14:19:09] <BartVB>	htaccess normally doesn't cause permission problems with mkdir 
[14:19:29] <BartVB>	texxy, what are the permissions on the public and public/b directories?
[14:22:05] <texxy>	755
[14:22:29] <BartVB>	for which users/groups?
[14:22:54] <texxy>	for all
[15:26:38] <szczepan>	how can I include images from wikimedia commons on my wiki?
[15:30:25] <Bryan>	not.
[15:30:34] <Bryan>	or not until InstantCommons gets working
[15:33:47] <MONK3000>	hi. i don't much clue though, but someone wrote me a hook to update moved page titles on recentchanges:  http://rafb.net/p/mF9Wsj66.html and this works fine on my MW 1.8.2
[15:33:47] <MONK3000>	now when i try this on MW 1.11 or 1.12 it works but i get this error http://rafb.net/p/0uFiSr93.html - any idea?
[15:38:46] <Duesentrieb>	MONK3000: make sure all extension functions explicitly return a boolean value ("true" probably).
[15:38:58] <Duesentrieb>	omitting that causes a fatal error since 1.11
[15:39:10] <Duesentrieb>	(the spec always say you have to do it)
[15:39:41] <MONK3000>	eek :/ ok will see what i can do
[15:40:37] <Duesentrieb>	MONK3000: that applies only to functions directly registered in wgHooks
[15:41:44] <MONK3000>	so i need to change the line $wgHooks['TitleMoveComplete'][] = 'efUpdateRCAfterMove'; ?
[15:42:21] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[15:42:30] <Duesentrieb>	you need to change efUpdateRCAfterMove
[15:42:46] <Duesentrieb>	the function itself, not the reference to it.
[15:42:59] <White_Cat>	http://el.wikiversity.org/wiki/%CE%A8%CE%B7%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AF%CE%B1
[15:43:04] <White_Cat>	interwiki linking is broken
[15:43:16] <MONK3000>	got it. easy
[15:43:22] <MONK3000>	thanks.
[15:44:10] <White_Cat>	Duesentrieb heeelp!
[15:44:11] <White_Cat>	:O
[15:52:29] <Duesentrieb>	White_Cat: what should i do about it?
[15:52:36] <Duesentrieb>	i don't have shell access
[15:52:41] <Duesentrieb>	this is also the wrong channel
[15:52:55] <White_Cat>	I am banned from #wikimedia-tech dear
[15:54:46] <guillom>	we wonder why
[15:57:26] <guillom>	besides, interwiki linking perfectly works
[16:00:39] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[16:01:43] <guillom>	hi Nikerabbit 
[16:02:52] <Nikerabbit>	hi guillom
[16:13:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  (10marc)
[16:14:27] <Coren_>	*clears throat*  "Haaalp!"
[16:14:36] <Skizzerz>	!ask | Coren_ 
[16:14:36] --mwbot--	Coren_: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC.
[16:15:03] <Coren_>	Lol.  :-)  Hey, don't you dare deny my my theathrical entrance!  :-)
[16:16:08] <Skizzerz>	:)
[16:16:13] *Skizzerz 	thinks he just did
[16:16:14] <Coren_>	Hmph.  At any rate, I'm having trouble running MW with postgres exactly as described in bug 13026 - which is very odd because aparrently not everyone is and it does appear to be a straightforward bug; I expect it's fixed _somewhere_, but I haven't found where.
[16:16:40] <Coren_>	Not in a current 1_12 tree, at any rate.
[16:18:18] <Skizzerz>	well, the bug hasn't been resolved as "fixed" yet, even though a fix was supposedly made
[16:19:01] <Coren_>	and reported at working by at least one user (who, admitedly, might not have understood it as a postgres-only bug; it isn't clear from his note)
[16:19:02] <Skizzerz>	G_SabinoMullane: poke: ^
[16:19:03] <wikibugs>	03(mod) linkify ISBN: foo and ISBN: foo, bar, etc. beside ISBN foo_bar - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12900  (10gangleri)
[16:20:09] <Coren_>	And I would expect a bug that breaks postgres support entirely would have raised more fuss than that if it wasn't fixed.  Unless it's rare that people use postgres.
[16:21:45] <Coren_>	(Which is an interesting question in itself; how fresh is postgres support anyways?)
[16:22:02] <flyingparchment>	works fine for me, but i'm still using 8.1
[16:22:21] <flyingparchment>	hmm, actually 8.2.  but not 8.3, anyway
[16:22:25] <domas>	first PG bits were 2004
[16:22:26] <domas>	haa
[16:22:28] <domas>	haaaahaaaaaa
[16:24:17] <flyingparchment>	$wgIsPG pretty much sucked ;)
[16:24:59] <Coren_>	flyingparchment: Hmm.  Could pg have removed support for that non-standard timestamp format in the interval?  I can't seem to find docs that it was every supported.
[16:25:20] <Coren_>	Hm.  Immaterial anyways since I use 8.2.6
[16:25:44] *Coren_ 	wonders. Schema change? I originally installed 1.11
[16:25:55] <Coren_>	Is there a schema-tweak-script in the tree?
[16:26:15] *Coren_ 	looks for one.
[16:27:11] <flyingparchment>	Coren_: it was removed in 8.3
[16:27:39] <Coren_>	I'm on 8.2.6
[16:32:58] <marz>	hi
[16:33:33] <oysterguitarist>	hello
[16:33:54] <marz>	i was wondering do you help with any mediawiki system?
[16:35:58] <Skizzerz>	this channel is for MediaWiki support, so I suppose that's a "yes" :)
[16:36:01] <marz>	i'm having trouble getting an optional [[Image]] in an infobox template :(
[16:36:20] <Skizzerz>	do you have ParserFunctions installed?
[16:36:34] <marz>	I don't know
[16:37:01] <Skizzerz>	go to your wiki's [[Special:Version]] page and search for the "ParserFunctions" extension
[16:37:49] <Coren_>	YEAY!  Running maintenance/update.php did fix my booboo!
[16:38:10] <marz>	no
[16:38:24] <Coren_>	There were indeed changes to the schema that fixed the bug.  :-)
[16:38:24] <Skizzerz>	Hmm, do you have access to the wiki's filesystem then?
[16:38:43] <marz>	i'll get it
[16:38:47] <Skizzerz>	!parserfunctions | marz
[16:38:47] --mwbot--	marz: "Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[16:39:14] <Skizzerz>	bottom link leads you to the code to install, top page details usage
[16:39:20] <Skizzerz>	s/page/link
[16:43:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Wrong timestamp format in Postgres - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13026  (10marc)
[16:43:46] *Coren_ 	waves.
[16:53:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Interwiki links; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[16:54:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[16:54:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add "beta" or "mul" interwiki link prefix to beta.wikiversity. org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13334  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[16:59:11] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  +comment (10guillom.pom)
[17:03:54] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32019 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_custom.css: fixed auto-complete highlighting
[17:15:12] <MONK3000>	is there some extension that enables private messages between users? i installed a forum before which cam along with a PM system but this was ugly and is not working on later MW versions.
[17:18:44] <guillom>	MONK3000, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MediaWiki_Bulletin_Board or perhaps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SocialProfile ; both seem to include a private messaging system
[17:20:19] <MONK3000>	MWBB is the crap i use atm ;) social profile looks interesting but didn't find anything about PM's maybe the "user board"
[17:21:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Adding more search engines to 'googlesearch' - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1825  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[17:21:34] <MONK3000>	i look for sth stable that will also work in the future
[17:25:18] <guillom>	"User Board
[17:25:18] <guillom>	You can send public or private messages to other users with the User Board. The User Board supports wiki text and also has conversation threads between users."
[17:25:50] <guillom>	it's developed by wikia, so it's likely to be supported in the future
[17:28:23] <MONK3000>	trying to install it
[17:32:40] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[17:38:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  (10guillom.pom)
[17:39:15] <guillom>	White_Cat, these links *work*
[17:40:16] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  (10guillom.pom)
[17:40:18] <White_Cat>	guillom not when you login
[17:40:52] <White_Cat>	or when I lgin
[17:40:53] <Ashfire908>	1.11.2 is the stable version right?
[17:40:54] <White_Cat>	*login
[17:41:48] <guillom>	i have just created an account, and the links work
[17:41:53] <White_Cat>	mmm
[17:41:58] <White_Cat>	very strange
[17:42:03] <guillom>	try to null edit
[17:42:03] <White_Cat>	I still see redlinks
[17:42:07] <White_Cat>	okay
[17:42:36] <White_Cat>	fixed
[17:42:40] <White_Cat>	O_o
[17:42:55] <White_Cat>	is this unheard of?
[17:43:04] <guillom>	it happens
[17:43:14] <White_Cat>	ah
[17:43:25] <White_Cat>	was this addressed before?
[17:43:35] <guillom>	null edit fixes it
[17:43:51] <White_Cat>	yes
[17:43:54] <White_Cat>	but it shouldnt happen
[17:44:20] <guillom>	i wish you good luck if you're going to try to find where it comes from
[17:45:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add "beta" or "mul" interwiki link prefix to beta.wikiversity. org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13334  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[17:45:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Interwiki linkage just died on wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13382  +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[17:45:56] <White_Cat>	I just removed the dependency
[17:46:00] <White_Cat>	and posted a comment
[17:46:20] <White_Cat>	guillom you are the first person to wish me good luck on wiki
[17:54:53] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: didn't you fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7652 ?
[17:59:52] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: yes. 2 weeks ago +/-
[18:00:15] <Nikerabbit>	Raymond_: can you mark it fixed then :D
[18:00:19] <Adep1>	How do large wiki sites patrol images?
[18:00:32] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: mom
[18:00:41] <guillom>	Adep1, with loads of volunteers :)
[18:00:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) 404 error should be localised - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12302  +comment (10niklas.laxstrom)
[18:01:04] <Adep1>	I don't see any way to mark an image as patrolled, is that correct?
[18:02:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Default system messages don't show on MediaWiki pages. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7652  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:02:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Message cache for some extensions not loaded at time of editing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13019  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:02:55] <Raymond_>	Nikerabbit: duped ;) 
[18:07:52] <batman1983>	is there a german irc support for mediawiki?
[18:17:49] <Nikerabbit>	could we introduce mainpage-url with default value of {{mediawiki:mainpage}} ?
[18:20:52] <Ashfire908>	1.11.2 is the stable version right?
[18:22:38] <Nikerabbit>	yep
[18:24:37] <Ashfire908>	k the site says on the main download page that the 1.12.0rc1 stable and 1.11.2 is the "Legacy" version.
[18:26:27] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[18:27:13] <Nikerabbit>	hui
[18:27:33] <Nikerabbit>	Ashfire908: well everything is quite stable, but 12 isn't officially released yet
[18:46:13] <CIA-44>	03grondin * r32020 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFr.php: Localisation updates for extensions messages from Betawiki
[19:15:23] <White_Cat>	domas you there?
[19:27:22] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Namespace search options should be present all the time - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8149  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:29:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Improve media (image) search display - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8738  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:43:36] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32021 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (46 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-15 20:28 CET)
[19:48:25] <batman1983>	how can i use the static version of wikipedia? do i have to import in media wiki?
[19:50:23] <mutante>	batman1983: download from http://static.wikipedia.org/
[19:50:42] <mutante>	those are just many many html files
[19:50:57] <mutante>	so either watch them locally with browser or run a webserver 
[19:51:01] <batman1983>	i already downloaded it, do i have to do anything with these files?
[19:51:16] <mutante>	what you can do with any html file
[19:51:21] <mutante>	watch it in a browser
[19:51:26] <batman1983>	i'd like to use wikipedia on our website
[19:51:47] <mutante>	oops, just noticed the download links are broken
[19:52:02] <mutante>	batman1983: that is a different story, then you want to install the mediawiki software
[19:52:03] <batman1983>	the german works
[19:52:19] <mutante>	batman1983: then download the software from mediawiki.org
[19:52:40] <batman1983>	i already installed mediawiki
[19:52:46] <mutante>	that is about setting up your own wiki, not the content of wikipedia pages
[19:53:05] <mutante>	ah, so you want to import... everything?
[19:53:12] <mutante>	or just certian pages
[19:53:14] <batman1983>	but i think wikipedia is a little bit too big for our site
[19:53:31] <mutante>	for a couple pages, use Special:Export and Special:Import
[19:53:52] <batman1983>	perhaps it works to import only pages of category Computer
[19:54:18] <batman1983>	so the static is nothing for an online use?
[19:54:20] <mutante>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[19:54:31] <mutante>	Add pages from category:
[19:54:46] <mutante>	no, static means, well static html
[19:54:52] <mutante>	for reading, not editing anymore
[19:55:13] <batman1983>	thats right
[19:55:15] <mutante>	you can put a copy of the static wikipedia on your webserver
[19:55:23] <mutante>	but then its a read-only thing for your users
[19:55:53] <batman1983>	that doesn't matter
[19:56:07] <mutante>	well, in that case, setup any webserver in your LAN
[19:56:21] <mutante>	and extract the html files from static.wikipedia.org into its document root
[19:56:41] <mutante>	with that setup you dont need to install your own mediawiki software
[19:56:57] <mutante>	whatever you prefer
[19:57:35] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32022 10/trunk/extensions/ (102 files in 99 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-15 20:28 CET)
[19:58:23] <mutante>	batman1983: cant you just let them use online wikipedia in the first place?
[20:03:58] <batman1983>	in further times, we created our own lexicon, and we want to use wikipedia, now
[20:11:45] <mutante>	batman1983: but then i suggest you do let them use your own mediawiki which you already installed and just import a few pages from wikipedia, then back to the other method, not static
[20:12:30] <batman1983>	ok
[20:13:24] <mutante>	you will need to also copy a lot of templates
[20:13:37] <mutante>	if you want the wikipedia pages to look nice right away without changes 
[20:14:09] <mutante>	or you simply copy / paste (parts of) wiki source
[20:27:29] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32023 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Add closing bracket, add some newlines
[20:35:55] <batman1983>	i generated a xml file, how do i import it? via command line with importDump?
[20:42:36] <mutante>	batman1983: Special:Import on your wiki
[20:47:16] <hoggwild5>	question:  I'm helping another person set up a wiki family.  He has three wikis; they are installed using different MediaWiki installations into the same database with different database prefixes (each wiki is in a different language).  He wants the three wikis to share a common login and user table so that when a user logs in to one wiki, they're logged into all wikis.  Do I need to write...
[20:47:18] <hoggwild5>	...an AuthPlugIn extension to accomplish this, or is there a setup configuration that will accomplish this?
[20:48:16] <mutante>	hoggwild5: maybe you like this  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenID
[20:49:43] <mutante>	gotta run to washing saloon
[20:49:47] <hoggwild5>	Thanks! That has possibilities, but I'm not sure if he's got the requisite libraries installed for OpenID to function.
[20:50:21] <batman1983>	mutante: cool, that works
[21:02:13] <batman1983>	how can i import bigger files than 1 mb?
[21:09:32] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: importDump.php should have no size limit.
[21:09:50] <Duesentrieb>	(it's a bit slow though)
[21:10:02] <batman1983>	i can import the special xmls?
[21:11:22] <Duesentrieb>	yes, that is what improtDUmp is for.
[21:11:39] <Duesentrieb>	err, importDump :)
[21:12:29] <Duesentrieb>	you probably want to run rebuildAll.php after importing
[21:12:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a maintenance script to delete orphaned redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13373  +comment (10huji.huji)
[21:21:01] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32024 10/trunk/phase3/includes/PageHistory.php: 
[21:21:01] <CIA-44>	* Don't show (last) links for unviewable revisions
[21:21:01] <CIA-44>	* Clean up documentation and clarity
[21:21:24] <MONK3000>	Hi. is it possible to move "What links here" from the toolbox to the normal sidebar? I guess no, but I don't need all other links in there, so on some pages the toolbox would be empty
[21:22:58] <simonrvn>	you'd have to mod the skin IIRC
[21:23:25] <MONK3000>	IIRC?
[21:25:04] <batman1983>	how is the command to import the dump?
[21:25:34] <batman1983>	"php maintaince/importDump.php" but after that?
[21:28:59] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: doesn't it tell you if you run it without anything? iirc you simply give the file name
[21:29:15] <Duesentrieb>	the xml can also be gziped or bziped, it'll unpack it automatically
[21:29:26] <Duesentrieb>	(according to file extension=
[21:29:41] <batman1983>	i already find the command on google
[21:30:25] <batman1983>	php maintaince/importDump.php < temp.xml
[21:30:57] <Duesentrieb>	piping works too if you don't give a file name, yes. though in that case it can't automatically unpack :)
[21:31:28] <batman1983>	php maintenance/rebuildall.php 
[21:31:28] <batman1983>	DB connection error: Access denied for user 'web25'@'localhost' (using password: NO) (localhost)
[21:31:44] <batman1983>	how can i fix this?
[21:33:32] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: I'm still getting that stupid warning when trying to run parser tests on windows
[21:35:46] <Duesentrieb>	don't use windows then :)
[21:36:36] <Platonides>	Hojjat, which stupid warning?
[21:36:41] <Platonides>	Parser tests used to work on windows
[21:36:58] <Hojjat>	Platonides: php crying about a memory error
[21:37:02] <Hojjat>	let me paste
[21:38:53] <Hojjat>	Platonides: after trying to read from parserTests.txt, an "Application error" box apears saying: "The instruction at "0x7c911f6c" referenced memory at "0x94939291". The memory could not be "read"
[21:39:40] <Hojjat>	the memory address is always that poker-style!
[21:42:55] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: that would be a bug in php. have you tried updating?
[21:43:06] <Hojjat>	hmm
[21:43:21] <Hojjat>	good idea
[21:43:38] <Hojjat>	I can update to a more recent version (although not the latest version) in a mnute
[21:46:46] <MONK3000>	hmh have no clue: Fatal error: Call to a member function getTitle() on a non-object in
[21:46:46] <MONK3000>	\includes\EditPage.php on line 92.
[21:47:00] <MONK3000>	ups.
[21:47:37] <MONK3000>	forget that
[21:48:39] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: nice catch! Updating to 5.2.5 fixed it. I wonder why I didn't think of it. Thanks :)
[21:49:26] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: but I need to reconfigure my PHP now!
[21:53:46] <batman1983>	how do i get the images of the exported pages in my mediawiki?
[21:54:41] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: you have to import them separatly. do you have them in the opriginal directory structure?
[21:54:51] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: Can't contact the database server: MySQL functions missing, have you compiled PHP with the --with-mysql option?
[21:55:09] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: install mysql support
[21:55:15] <Hojjat>	extension=php_mysql.dll
[21:55:24] <Hojjat>	and php_mysql.dll is in the /ext
[21:55:36] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: i don't know shit about setting php up on windows. use xampp :)
[21:55:43] <Hojjat>	heh
[21:55:56] <batman1983>	Duesentrieb: i exported via http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Exportieren
[21:55:56] *Hojjat 	stares at Platonides
[21:56:08] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: that doesn't include images.
[21:56:26] <batman1983>	how do i get these?
[21:56:31] <Duesentrieb>	batman1983: actually, i don't know of a  way to automatically copy the images you need
[21:56:46] <Duesentrieb>	the only thing i can think of is a proxy solution ofr thumbails
[21:56:52] <Duesentrieb>	which isn't trivial
[21:57:11] <dpy>	hey guys
[21:57:32] <dpy>	say, is it possible to have sublists in the sidebar?
[21:57:51] <Duesentrieb>	dpy: i guess you can just add mor *
[21:57:55] <dpy>	if I edit it via MediaWiki:Sidebar, then in the page it renders the list, but not in the sidebar
[21:58:08] <Duesentrieb>	maybe not then :)
[21:58:12] <dpy>	heh
[21:58:29] <Duesentrieb>	dpy: the syntax for the sidebar is special, how it renders as a wiki page isn't really relevant.
[21:58:38] <Duesentrieb>	it's made to more or less coinside, but don't rely on that
[21:58:48] <Duesentrieb>	it's parsed and translated in a completly duifferent way
[21:58:59] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Allowing blocked users to see the wikisource of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13380  +comment (10huji.huji)
[22:03:04] <batman1983>	perhaps i can use the image.sql.gz from here: http://download.wikimedia.org/dewiki/20080220/ ???
[22:05:50] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: I'm having fun! Call to undefined function mysql_connect() ...! O_o
[22:06:19] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: which means that you don't have mysql support
[22:06:36] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: despite the fact that every required file is there!
[22:07:04] <Duesentrieb>	 batman1983: no, that's only metadata. there are no current image dumps. a full image dump would be > 1 Terabyte
[22:07:22] <Duesentrieb>	there's simply currently no sensible way to do that
[22:07:25] <batman1983>	hm
[22:08:01] <Duesentrieb>	also, did i remind you to properly attribute content from wikipedia?
[22:08:02] <batman1983>	so i cant use the pictures from the wikipedia server=
[22:08:03] <batman1983>	?
[22:08:12] <Duesentrieb>	you can download them one by one 
[22:09:08] <Duesentrieb>	make sure to also export/import the image description pages with the license info
[22:10:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a maintenance script to delete orphaned redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13373  (10mike.lifeguard)
[22:11:10] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: the solution is to replace 'libmysql.dll' file in your PHP installation directory (also in winnt/system32 if you copied it there) with the Dll from PHP 5.2.1
[22:11:18] <Hojjat>	from http://ir.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.manual.php
[22:11:22] <Hojjat>	(copyvio!)
[22:13:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allowing blocked users to see the wikisource of pages - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13380  (10dejan.papez)
[22:28:23] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 98304 bytes) in D:\SVN\phase3\includes\Parser.php on line 1591
[22:28:57] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: 8MB is not much. increase it to 64.
[22:29:06] <Duesentrieb>	that would be in your php.ini
[22:29:12] <Duesentrieb>	the one for command line use.
[22:29:32] <Duesentrieb>	hm, maybe you can also set that using ini_set in AdminSettings.php. no sure.
[22:30:23] <Hojjat>	ok
[22:30:25] <Hojjat>	finally working
[22:30:44] <Hojjat>	I had to use 5.2.1's libmysql.dll both in C:\php and C:\Windows\system32
[22:30:45] <dpy>	The first tab is sometimes called Page/Help Page/Article/Message  is there a way to influence this?
[22:31:34] <Duesentrieb>	dpy: all text in the interface comes from system messages. find it on Special:Allmessages and edit it
[22:32:34] <Hojjat>	Duesentrieb: correct me if I'm wrong, but with the HEAD reivision, 22 parser tests are failing
[22:32:45] <Hojjat>	Is it normal?
[22:32:50] <Duesentrieb>	i havn't tried, but that may well be true
[22:33:00] <Duesentrieb>	it's normal that several fail
[22:33:22] <Hojjat>	and is this supposed to be always a bug in the code? or can it be a bad test?
[22:33:29] <Duesentrieb>	i think the test script even has some feature for comparing what failes before/after some change
[22:33:44] <Duesentrieb>	nither
[22:33:45] <Hojjat>	didn't know that
[22:33:51] <Duesentrieb>	since there is no formal specification
[22:33:52] <Hojjat>	then what?
[22:34:16] <Duesentrieb>	well, ther eare just cases of "we would have liked it to do it differntly. probably".
[22:34:43] <Duesentrieb>	unexpected bavahior is not necessarily a bug. 
[22:35:07] <Hojjat>	hmm
[22:35:16] <Hojjat>	I got two notices too
[22:35:26] <Duesentrieb>	that shouldn't be
[22:35:28] <Hojjat>	Notice: Array to string conversion in D:\SVN\phase3\maintenance\parserTests.inc on line 319
[22:35:40] <Hojjat>	319                                     $out = $this->tidy ( implode( ' ', $wgOut->getCategoryLinks() ) );
[22:36:16] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[22:36:28] <Duesentrieb>	i can't see how that would convert an array to a string...
[22:36:42] <Hojjat>	perhaps tidy expects a string as the second parameter
[22:36:50] <Hojjat>	and getCategoryLinks returns an array
[22:37:01] <MinuteElectron>	Hojjat: but the implode would provide a string
[22:37:02] <Duesentrieb>	it only has one param. read again.
[22:37:15] <Hojjat>	oh
[22:37:31] <Duesentrieb>	also php doesn't support type hinting for strings and arrays, does it? only proper classes?
[22:37:46] <MinuteElectron>	string ARE arrays
[22:38:31] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: uh... i don't think so. you can address them in an array-ish way, but that doesn't mean they are arrays.
[22:38:42] <Duesentrieb>	they have separate type ids, for one thing
[22:38:51] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[22:38:53] <Duesentrieb>	and i don't think you can use non-numeric keys on a string
[22:39:03] <Hojjat>	anyways, that notice is cited by google many times, so it must be something PHP does report
[22:39:12] <Duesentrieb>	or assign something to an index beyond the current lengt of the string
[22:39:28] <Duesentrieb>	Hojjat: yes. it's a php notice.
[22:39:45] <Hojjat>	No I mean this is something that others have experienced a lot
[22:39:49] <Duesentrieb>	which happens when you use an array in a string concatenation or such, which shouldn't happen
[22:40:12] <Duesentrieb>	yes, probably. but probably 99% have nothing to do with mediawiki
[22:40:20] <Hojjat>	yet MinuteElectron: had a good point there
[22:40:22] <Duesentrieb>	or did you search for the mention of the same bit of code too?
[22:40:39] <Hojjat>	I'm wandering
[22:40:54] <MinuteElectron>	Hojjat: But arrays aren't strings, which means it oonly work sone way (irrelevant to your notice).
[22:40:57] <Duesentrieb>	my guess is php barking at the moon
[22:41:03] <MinuteElectron>	yep
[22:41:23] <Hojjat>	can you see this one? www.pivotlog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11485
[22:41:28] <Hojjat>	403 here
[22:41:53] <MinuteElectron>	i can load that page fine
[22:42:03] <Prodego>	I can load it fine
[22:42:22] <MinuteElectron>	does $wgOut->getCategoryLinks() return an array of arrays?
[22:43:00] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: hm, that would actually explain the error message :) worth checking, good idea
[22:43:30] <Hojjat>	yes it does!
[22:43:32] <Hojjat>	$this->mCategoryLinks[$type][]
[22:43:41] <MinuteElectron>	there is your problem
[22:43:44] <Hojjat>	:D
[22:44:18] <Hojjat>	I'm thinking of .. how to change $out = $this->tidy ( implode( ' ', $wgOut->getCategoryLinks() ) ); to avoid this notice
[22:44:19] <MinuteElectron>	therefore a recursive implode is needed if that is what is intended at all.
[22:44:37] <MinuteElectron>	I'm not sure what this piece of code is intending though, I'll bring it up on my screen,
[22:45:28] <MinuteElectron>	Curious, when did brion stop sending the parser tests to wikitech-l?
[22:46:30] <MinuteElectron>	And, this is why you should comment youir codew.
[22:47:08] <Hojjat>	LOL
[22:48:03] <MinuteElectron>	meh, not my problem - i tried to help, but people can't be bothered to comment their code
[22:48:25] <shems>	hi fds
[22:48:32] <shems>	let me ask a q
[22:48:57] <shems>	about wikinews
[22:50:28] <shems>	how can i install wikinews into my main page on my wiki
[22:50:30] <shems>	&
[22:50:32] <shems>	?
[22:57:02] <shems>	exit
[23:00:31] <Hojjat>	ok I give up!
[23:05:23] <Asga>	Hi there... 
[23:05:25] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Array to string conversion in parser tests - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13384 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (huji.huji)
[23:06:57] <Asga>	I have a question about faux request... 
[23:07:37] <Asga>	someone gave me some code which uses faux request to save new wikitext... (internalAttemptSave)
[23:08:18] <Asga>	i set 'wpTextbox1' to the old text with my additional text... 
[23:08:38] <Asga>	but when everything has terminated, the page content is empty
[23:08:57] <Asga>	but the return value says that the update was a success
[23:13:26] <Asga>	http://rafb.net/p/YQYJyn73.html  <- this is the code i use to make the save
[23:17:13] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32025 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): 
[23:17:13] <CIA-44>	*Add notice over reviewed old revisions
[23:17:13] <CIA-44>	*Some code cleanup
[23:29:57] <Asga>	Nobody?
[23:30:25] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32026 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDa.php: 
[23:30:25] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[23:30:25] <CIA-44>	* da specialPageAliases
[23:30:35] <cimon>	http://en.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
[23:30:45] <cimon>	Heh, I got UID number 34
[23:44:56] <Asga>	doesn't anybody know about FauxRequest? or why it could save an empty page?
[23:48:53] <Asga>	One more info... in the revision history it says that the edit was empty...
[23:48:58] <Asga>	but how can it be empty 
[23:49:18] <Asga>	i did set wpTextbox1 to the new content?
[23:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) star crashes MediaWiki design - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13378  15enhancement->major; normal->high; +comment (10huji.huji)
[23:51:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) {{#expr: working - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13379  +comment (10huji.huji)