[00:00:27] <MinuteElectron>	or with something else around it
[00:01:06] <MinuteElectron>	actually, it's going to be blatantly obvious when i type it in
[00:01:27] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32315 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Clean up form rev ID
[00:02:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) trackback.php not saving pings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6447  +comment (10brion)
[00:02:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) blog_name not required on trackback.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7147  (10brion)
[00:05:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Quality revisions make younger versions appear as unreviewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13402  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[00:05:41] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32316 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/TranslateEditAddons.php: * Don't add <p>s that only take space
[00:06:22] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32317 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialMagic.php: * Fix notice
[00:09:04] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32318 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES trackback.php): * (bug 6892, 7147) Trackback error handling, optional fields more robust
[00:09:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Database error + PHP Undefined index notice on trackback. php on bad input + E_ALL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892  +comment (10brion)
[00:09:18] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) blog_name not required on trackback.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7147  +comment (10brion)
[00:11:56] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32319 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 7 dirs): Formatting of messages and message files. No content changes.
[00:12:28] <MinuteElectron>	I think I fuond the bug.
[00:12:35] <MinuteElectron>	$match = array_intersect($ugroups, $groups);
[00:12:44] <MinuteElectron>	That will never assign $match to false, right?
[00:12:55] <MinuteElectron>	since array_intersect aleays returns an array.
[00:13:57] <MinuteElectron>	and I presume an empty array does not evaluate to false
[00:15:09] <derwin>	is there any way of doing form-like setting of variables within a mediawiki page, outside of by clicking on links which include those variables?
[00:16:12] <derwin>	ie, if I want to have three versions of a page, relying on #if statements for the subset of differences
[00:16:30] <derwin>	is there any way for me to have the user set those variables interactively?
[00:17:29] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: it does
[00:17:42] <Nikerabbit>	php -r 'var_dump((bool)array());'
[00:17:42] <Nikerabbit>	bool(false)
[00:17:53] <MinuteElectron>	dammit
[00:18:23] <MinuteElectron>	of course it would have never worked if that wasn't the case
[00:19:02] <Dantman>	^_^ You mean PHP treats empty arrays similar to how Lisp's NIL and () are exactly the same... sweet... heh
[00:20:24] <Nikerabbit>	not exactly either
[00:20:51] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32320 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Title.php): * (bug 6813) Don't break HTML validator when using trackbacks
[00:21:10] <Nikerabbit>	array() !== null !== false
[00:21:27] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) HTML validation fails when $wgUseTrackbacks = true in LocalSettings.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6813  +comment (10brion)
[00:24:18] <Sonja>	does my wiki's logo have to be 135 by 135 ? is there a style or way i can easily have a top bar logo like this one i can't do a logo like the top bar of http://www.learnfren.ch/old/ ?  
[00:25:14] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[00:25:29] <MinuteElectron>	i've identified the hook function isn't even being run.
[00:28:58] <MinuteElectron>	which doesn't make any sense
[00:29:39] <MinuteElectron>	why would a hook just not call its funciton?
[00:31:00] <siebrand>	MinuteElectron: lazy ass hook?
[00:31:32] <MinuteElectron>	userCan?
[00:32:01] <MinuteElectron>	I really don't think that would be broken.
[00:32:12] <Sasoriza>	When updating you have to delete the old installation right?
[00:32:30] <siebrand>	MinuteElectron: sorry, I didn't expect to be taken seriously. I was kidding.
[00:32:41] <siebrand>	MinuteElectron: as you know, I have no clue :)
[00:32:49] <MinuteElectron>	oh, right :P
[00:32:57] <MinuteElectron>	Sasoriza: no
[00:33:19] <Sasoriza>	No? Hmm. I tried and it wanted to reinstall the old version.
[00:33:39] <MinuteElectron>	just reupload the old files
[00:33:43] <MinuteElectron>	and revert the database
[00:33:45] <Sasoriza>	Thought something had to be deleted.
[00:33:54] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[00:36:05] <Sasoriza>	Would that affect the tables if the wiki itself was deleted then reinstalled?
[00:37:21] <MinuteElectron>	no
[00:37:26] <MinuteElectron>	but be careful of images uploaded
[00:37:41] <Sasoriza>	K. Didn't think so but better safe than sorry.
[00:38:23] <MinuteElectron>	This is so retarded.
[00:38:28] <Sasoriza>	?
[00:38:28] <MinuteElectron>	It's unbelieveable.
[00:38:38] <MinuteElectron>	an extension i'm having problems with
[00:38:45] <Sasoriza>	What's it do
[00:38:50] <MinuteElectron>	lockdown
[00:38:51] <Sasoriza>	or supposed to do
[00:38:58] <MinuteElectron>	block access to special pages
[00:39:34] <Sasoriza>	Know any extensions that exclude categories?
[00:39:46] <Sasoriza>	suppress cats I mean
[00:39:50] <MinuteElectron>	no, sorry
[00:41:09] <Sasoriza>	I must have been insane to ever start fiddling with MW
[00:41:17] <Sasoriza>	Must still be for that matter
[00:41:18] <Yert>	tbnojnoj: Stop :|
[00:41:23] <MinuteElectron>	ok, the functions are being called
[00:43:05] <thesymbolicfrog>	Is there any way to add wikipedia's toolbar to the default editing toolbar?
[00:43:35] <MinuteElectron>	Ok, here's what's happening - userCan is only being done when the user is logged in.
[00:44:03] <MinuteElectron>	wait, no
[00:44:13] <MinuteElectron>	it's only being done on non special pages
[00:48:20] <MrZ-man>	thesymbolicfrog: its just javascript, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js and search for "extra toolbar options"
[00:49:23] <MrZ-man>	you'll probably want to save the images locally though
[00:50:16] <thesymbolicfrog>	MrZ-man: thank you
[00:54:08] <MinuteElectron>	oh geez
[00:54:34] <MinuteElectron>	Why is userCan sending the action as "edit" and "move" when it is "read"?
[01:00:48] <MinuteElectron>	flyingparchment: that didn't work ;)
[01:01:02] <MinuteElectron>	i got the full md5 sum in the name, which is quite weird
[01:01:16] <MinuteElectron>	and half the files disspaeared :\
[01:01:20] <MinuteElectron>	i give up for now
[01:03:43] <MinuteElectron>	meh, everyone's asleep - goodnight
[01:04:17] <yigal>	is there a way to make a mediawiki that contains a few of wikipedia's articles, stored via a database as well as local wiki pages locally created?
[01:09:57] <Sasoriza>	yigal: Not sure how many you mean by "a few", but if it isn't many, the easiest thing to do is just copy them... or link them
[01:10:39] <MrZ-man>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export
[01:10:43] <yigal>	Sasoriza: so I can add my own content to media wiki and add these articles to a local mediawiki this way?
[01:10:51] <yigal>	MrZ-man: just reading that :)
[01:10:56] <MrZ-man>	then use Special:Import on your own wiki
[01:11:14] <yigal>	MrZ-man: ok, neat
[01:12:28] <Sasoriza>	I swear I'm going to blow my brains out over this category transclusion issue, lol :)
[01:12:34] <Sonja>	does my wiki's logo have to be 135 by 135 ? is there a style or way i can easily have a top bar logo like this one i can't do a logo like the top bar of http://www.learnfren.ch/old/ ?  
[01:13:36] <carl-m>	yigal: you can use the maintenance script importDump.php to import from a special:export dump - better for automation
[01:14:42] <Sasoriza>	Sonja: You'd have to change your stylesheet and $wgLogo
[01:20:05] <Sonja>	is there an existing stylesheet to let me do that Sasoriza ?
[01:21:10] <Sasoriza>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[01:21:33] <Sasoriza>	but you'd still have to change $wgLogo or the old image will show up
[01:21:56] <Sasoriza>	for that you need DB access
[01:22:40] <Sasoriza>	change it or hide it
[01:23:29] <Sasoriza>	might have to tweak Common.css too, depending on your layout
[01:23:38] <Soxred93>	Actually, you can change the logo using monobook.css
[01:29:43] <Soxred93>	#p-logo a { background: url(IMAGE URL); }
[01:29:44] <Soxred93>	I think
[01:30:11] <CIA-44>	03river * r32321 10/trunk/tools/trainwreck/trainwreck.c: missing unlock of rst_mtx caused subsequent entries to process_master_logs_once to block forever
[01:30:25] <Sasoriza>	#p-logo {
[01:30:25] <Sasoriza>		background-image: url(/w/images/0/0e/logofull1.png)
[01:30:29] <Sasoriza>	oops
[01:30:49] <flyingparchment>	you'll need more than that to do what this person wants
[01:31:13] <Sasoriza>	#p-logo {background-image: url(/filepath);
[01:31:57] <Sonja>	Sasoriza what dimensions does the monobook.css accept for the logo?
[01:32:43] <Sasoriza>	whatever you want... specify height: number_of_px;
[01:32:58] <Sasoriza>	not sure if the newer versions let you specify width too
[01:33:44] <Sonja>	so i have to tell the person who's installing mediawiki on my domain to use monobook.css ?
[01:33:51] <Sonja>	and then give them the image and the code you gave me?
[01:34:46] <Sasoriza>	Well, if they're going to hide #wgLogo, then they shouldn't have to do anything... then you can upload the image and alter Monobook.css yourself
[01:36:35] <Sasoriza>	Or, in LocalSettings.php, they can specify $wgLogo = "$wgStylePath/common/images/filename"
[01:36:59] <flyingparchment>	Sonja: specifying background-image and height is not enough to change the size of the logo
[01:37:09] <flyingparchment>	Sonja: you need to make significant changes to the skin layout to have it fit
[01:37:56] <Sonja>	doh
[01:39:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10Greg_L_at_Wikipedia)
[01:45:34] <Sasoriza>	MW's not very efficient with layout of space
[01:47:28] <eadthem>	hey
[01:48:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a tag for inline math - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12223  (10psychomessiah)
[01:59:48] <MZMcBride>	Any test.wikipedia bureaucrats around?
[02:04:08] <adeel>	anyone know of a converter from tikiwiki to mediawiki?
[02:04:16] <MZMcBride>	Try googling?
[02:08:12] <adeel>	yeah, nothing is really showing up
[02:08:42] <adeel>	i found an HTML to wiki convertor that can support 'wiki dialects', but now i can't find anything to export wiki to html
[02:10:08] <adeel>	i had found a script/program that would automatically convert/attach any document into a wiki page....forgot to bookmark it though
[02:22:53] <Sasoriza>	Anyone fluent in SemanticMediaWiki?
[02:22:57] <eadthem>	im having a prob with templates adding whitespace when thay shuldnt  http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:EE_SCH_drawing#Drawing  html prob  http://www.swgprecu.com/paste/viewp.php?id=20080321192244-3462
[02:31:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add NUMBEROFROLLBACKERS magic word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13471  (10soxred93)
[02:32:01] <MZMcBride>	Soxred93: Your wrong.
[02:32:13] <MZMcBride>	You're, even. :P
[02:34:02] <MrZ-man>	If its not for MediaWiki, it shouldn't go into MediaWiki core code
[02:34:26] <Soxred93>	Also true
[02:34:54] <Soxred93>	But the problem is that when I tried to make a new variable, then it gave me crap
[02:35:00] <Soxred93>	Wait, no. It gave me nothing
[02:35:49] <MZMcBride>	The component for that bug should be MediaWiki.
[02:36:05] <MZMcBride>	It's not specific to Wikimedia in any way.
[02:37:15] <Soxred93>	MediaWiki isn't my best skills, but I have basic knowledge.
[02:37:23] <Soxred93>	Could someone who knows more help me?
[02:40:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add NUMBEROFROLLBACKERS magic word - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13471  (10N/A)
[02:40:51] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Search field fails when rewrite rules don' t pass through parameters - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12838  +comment (10rowan)
[02:44:48] <Sasoriza>	eadthem: Is this what you're after? http://rafb.net/p/73RZwd79.html
[02:46:12] <eadthem>	so it must be in a table?
[02:47:05] <eadthem>	nope  nither work    bottom one  has spaceing that it dosent have out of a table    upper one has the same issue in the top table  only its on same line
[02:47:09] <eadthem>	http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Category:EE_SCH_drawing&action=submit
[02:47:47] <eadthem>	try this link lol  http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:EE_SCH_drawing#Drawing
[02:48:59] <tgp>	wow
[02:49:01] <tgp>	hi
[02:49:15] <tgp>	Umm, can I have some help?
[02:49:33] <MZMcBride>	Best to just ask. :)
[02:49:37] <TheDaveRoss>	hard to tell, some peopel are helpless
[02:49:39] <tgp>	Ok then :d
[02:49:59] <tgp>	So, I just downloaded the latest releases of wiki and successfully installed it...
[02:50:11] <tgp>	and I want to know how to change the settings...
[02:50:22] <tgp>	but I can't find the LocalSettings file.
[02:50:22] <eadthem>	its all in a php file for most of them
[02:50:28] <eadthem>	o one sec
[02:51:06] <MrZ-man>	if you haven't moved it should be in the /config directory 
[02:51:06] <eadthem>	my localsettings is in site root
[02:51:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS, Atom, XML syndication feeds tracking bug - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3646  +comment (10rowan)
[02:51:17] <eadthem>	with api.php  and index.php
[02:51:24] <tgp>	let me see...
[02:52:06] <tgp>	hmmm
[02:52:15] <tgp>	It's not in the config diurectory
[02:52:21] <tgp>	just an index.php
[02:52:23] <eadthem>	anyhow if anyone has any idea how to disable tempaltes from adding paragraph tags and other whitespace 
[02:52:43] <tgp>	ohhhh nvm
[02:52:52] <eadthem>	i seam to rember after install  it moved local settings to the root
[02:52:53] <tgp>	I found the localsettings in the root :0
[02:53:03] <tgp>	you guys should add that to the FAQs.
[02:53:13] <Sasoriza>	eadthem: I don't see how you'll do it without a table
[02:53:20] <tgp>	anyways, thx.
[02:53:31] <eadthem>	and tables not working   nice
[02:53:52] <derwin>	hrm, when I do the "includeonly magic" with subst, I don't seem to get what I expect
[02:54:16] <eadthem>	subst?
[02:54:34] <derwin>	when I transclude that page, that is.. {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>REVISIONTIMESTAMP}} seems to just yield literal "{{subst:REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}" in the transcluding page
[02:54:43] <Sasoriza>	eadthem: maybe constrict the column widths, shy of the image width
[02:55:08] <Sasoriza>	but that's not a MW issue however
[02:55:15] <derwin>	I want to be able to put something in the page being transcluded which will display in the transcluding doc as the REVISIONTIMESTAMP of the transcluded doc
[02:57:26] <Sasoriza>	On a different subject: Does anyone know of an automated process to remove SMW annotations?
[02:58:37] <Sasoriza>	Doubt there is one yet, but just wondering
[02:58:55] <MZMcBride>	A bot?
[02:59:32] <Sasoriza>	I and bots seem to have an aversion to each other :)
[03:00:24] <Moniker42>	hey, i have a skin here and i've uploaded it to the /skins directory
[03:00:36] <Moniker42>	what do i do next so that i can select it in preferences, and set it as the default skin for visitors?
[03:00:56] <Soxred93>	$wgDefaultSkin, I believe
[03:02:04] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32322 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialNewpages.php: Check 'patrolmarks' here too
[03:02:38] <tgp>	back again :D
[03:03:00] <tgp>	So, I have another question:
[03:03:19] <tgp>	when I'm entering in a value in PHP such as an E-mail address, how do I put it?
[03:03:55] <MZMcBride>	You mean in LocalSettings.php?
[03:03:59] <tgp>	Yes.
[03:04:08] <MZMcBride>	You have to use ROT-13, I believe.
[03:04:17] <tgp>	What does that mean?
[03:05:36] <tgp>	Any idea?
[03:05:44] <MZMcBride>	I was kidding.
[03:05:54] <tgp>	ok...
[03:06:01] <tgp>	So what do I put?
[03:06:05] <MZMcBride>	You just set them using $wgVariable = 'plaintext';
[03:06:06] <yigal>	tgp add 13 to each number, it's the intro. to encryption :)
[03:06:16] <yigal>	s/number/alphan-numeric 
[03:06:34] <tgp>	ummm
[03:07:02] <tgp>	So I can just say $variable = 'emailaddresshere'?
[03:07:28] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) svg:use fails to clone element - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13339  (10bpm230)
[03:07:50] <MZMcBride>	tgp: Yes, that should work.
[03:08:20] <tgp>	ok. Another question, do I have to put a semi colon after every variable, like $wgEmailAuthentication = true;?
[03:08:23] <Sasoriza>	tgp: Are you trying to enable email or what?
[03:08:45] <tgp>	I'm A: trying to enable auth. and B: setting Emmergency email to mine.
[03:09:17] <MZMcBride>	$wgEmergencyContact = "name@email.com";
[03:09:22] <tgp>	ok.
[03:09:32] <tgp>	and a semicolon after every variable?
[03:10:01] <MZMcBride>	Yes.
[03:10:07] <MZMcBride>	If you want your site to work.
[03:10:08] <tgp>	Ok, thank you.
[03:10:12] <MZMcBride>	No problem.
[03:10:12] <tgp>	lol ok,
[03:10:31] <Sasoriza>	Would anyone not want their site to work?
[03:11:25] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32323 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[03:11:25] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations
[03:11:25] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations
[03:11:25] <CIA-44>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[03:11:32] *Sasoriza 	decided, for a twist, he doesn't want his site to work.
[03:22:05] <derwin>	gak, I am just failing to understand how substitution and transclusion and templates interact :/
[03:22:52] <derwin>	I cannot figure out how to get the REVISIONTIMESTAMP of the transclud_ed_ doc to show up in the transclud_ing_ doc
[03:26:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Conditional statements distort infobox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13477 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (dan.butler)
[04:08:33] *Sasoriza 	slaps Sasoriza around a bit with a large trout
[04:13:38] <windopain>	when upgrading mediawiki can i simply upload the new installation over the old one?  the only modifications that have been made are extensions, templates, and plug-ins have been added and the LocalSettings.php file has been changed
[04:17:03] <Soxred93>	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_12/phase3/UPGRADE?view=markup, windopain
[04:17:40] <Soxred93>	"You should preserve the
[04:17:40] <Soxred93>	LocalSettings.php file, AdminSettings.php file (if present), and the
[04:17:40] <Soxred93>	"extensions" and "images" directories."
[04:22:42] <windopain>	so i might need to change adminsettings.php 
[04:26:50] <windopain>	i don't understand why that file is needed
[04:29:01] <MZMcBride>	Werdna: I blanked a subpage of yours.
[04:29:17] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: pourquoi?
[04:29:23] <MZMcBride>	Beta requested it.
[04:29:29] <Werdna>	ah
[04:29:45] <MZMcBride>	Feel free to revert me, though I don't understand why you don't {{subst:ns:0}} if you want something blank...
[04:29:46] <Werdna>	yes, I amade a general request in #wikipedia-bag
[04:29:51] <MZMcBride>	Ah.
[04:30:17] <Betacommand>	MZMcBride: Werdna is not an admin and its protected
[04:30:29] <MZMcBride>	I was aware of both facts. ;)
[04:30:32] <Werdna>	:P
[04:30:38] <Werdna>	silly regexes
[04:30:48] <MZMcBride>	I just don't usually like messing with people's subpages without mentioning it to them.
[04:56:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email notification reject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13450  (10mrzmanwiki)
[04:57:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Email notification reject - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13450   +need-review +patch (10mrzmanwiki)
[05:03:42] <Sasoriza>	I'm trying to transclude "foo" as {{:foo}}. "foo" uses a category variable: [[Category:{{{c}}} baz]]. How can I switch [[Category:{{{c}}} baz]] to a different category where {{:foo}} is transcluded? I've tried every parserfunction, expression & arrangement I can think of, and just can't hide [[Category:{{{c}}} baz]], because of that {{{c}}}, but {{{c}}} is needed (it's in a template on "foo").
[05:05:56] <Soxred93>	{{#switch: {{PAGENAME}} | page1=sometext | page2=somedifferenttext }} ?
[05:06:07] <Soxred93>	If you have parserfunctions installed...
[05:11:34] <Werdna>	MZMcBride: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdna/restore_kthx -- I had these undeleted yesterday, but apparently some of them stayed in the last revision, which was {{db-owner}}, and they're now all deleted. Can you restore them?
[05:17:21] <MZMcBride>	Werdna: Done. Now... can you parameterize all admin forms?
[05:17:26] <MZMcBride>	;)
[05:18:50] <Werdna>	eek!
[05:32:40] <Werdna>	that's weird
[05:32:49] <Werdna>	I'm getting this error trying to edit from toolserver
[05:32:50] <Werdna>	Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%20talk:Werdna&action=edit, from 91.198.174.194 via knsq2.knams.wikimedia.org (squid/2.6.STABLE18) to ()
[05:32:55] <Werdna>	Error: ERR_ACCESS_DENIED, errno [No Error] at Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:29:54 GMT
[05:41:34] <flyingparchment>	Werdna: change your user agent
[05:41:44] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: I was just trying that now
[05:41:47] <Werdna>	one moment.. we'll see
[05:45:41] <Werdna>	yeah, that did it
[05:45:41] <Werdna>	cheers
[06:47:40] <windopain>	is there a way to insert tabs ?  i'm making a glossary and would like it to look decent 
[06:47:52] <flyingparchment>	; term : definition
[06:48:00] <windopain>	thx
[07:18:44] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) action=render with Special pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13478 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[07:23:59] <zQw>	Hey folks. I need some help with user access. How do I activate manual user account activation in the newest mediawiki?
[07:45:52] <zQw>	Anybody?
[07:47:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting hook for search misses - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8934  (10wilson.jim.r)
[07:53:47] <enhydra>	!access | zQw
[07:53:47] --mwbot--	zQw: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[08:02:14] <MZMcBride>	zQw: Manual user account activation?
[08:02:24] <MZMcBride>	Like you confirm the accounts?
[08:20:28] <zQw>	Thanks. I have checked those links already but they don't say anything about the account activating. I heard that you don't need an extensions to do that. :/
[08:25:36] <zQw>	MZMcBride: Yes. I am building a closed wiki for an association. I want people to be able to create accounts but so that they cannot login before the administrator has confirmed that the account is OK.
[08:25:45] <MZMcBride>	!e ConfirmAccount | zQw
[08:25:45] --mwbot--	zQw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
[08:27:05] <zQw>	So it is true that this is not a built in function of MediaWiki...
[08:29:18] <MZMcBride>	Yep. You need to install that extension.
[08:30:43] <zQw>	Thank you for your help. :)
[08:32:35] <MZMcBride>	No problem.
[08:38:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Quality revisions make younger versions appear as unreviewed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13402  (10pbirken)
[08:49:19] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Hey, I think I found the bug.
[08:49:38] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: cool! what is it?
[08:49:55] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Apparently, the userCan hook isn't always being called -- when logged out it doesn't get called on *any* special pages.
[08:50:09] <Werdna>	that's probably bad
[08:50:15] <MinuteElectron>	yes, probably
[08:50:20] <MinuteElectron>	Given that it used to work fine.
[08:50:28] <Duesentrieb>	that's pretty bad. but that doesn't exüplain why Lockdown doesn't work for per-namespace permissions either...
[08:51:04] <Duesentrieb>	(is that true for all permissions, btw, or just view?)
[08:51:11] <MinuteElectron>	Well, I looked into that too -- and while it checks for "edit" and "move" when you view normal pages it doesn't check for "read".
[08:51:37] <MinuteElectron>	Which I think explains that bug.
[08:52:57] <Duesentrieb>	that would be a massive regression
[08:53:27] <Duesentrieb>	how the hell did that happen? that would effect the read whitelist too, no? and if not, why not?
[08:53:57] <MinuteElectron>	I'm going to set it up on a test site now using the latest revision -- I;ve just been testing on 1.12 for now and I can give you the URL showing off the problems on my test site.
[08:56:10] <MinuteElectron>	and also to check I'm not making a blatant mistake
[08:58:19] <MinuteElectron>	Right, so I uncommented some of your debugging code (quite useful).
[08:58:29] <MinuteElectron>	http://my.brlcad.org/~MinuteElectron/development/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page - no 'read' being called
[08:58:43] <MinuteElectron>	http://my.brlcad.org/~MinuteElectron/development/mediawiki/index.php/Special:SpecialPages - not being called at all
[08:59:05] <MinuteElectron>	Since the debugging code is outside of any conditionals it should *always* be run when the hook is run
[08:59:30] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) the ~ "like" comparator doesn' t work for many-valued properties - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13479 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (info)
[08:59:50] <MinuteElectron>	When logged in the hook isn't called on Special:SpecialPages either.
[09:00:00] <Duesentrieb>	:(
[09:00:13] <MinuteElectron>	And is the same as when logged out on the Main_Page
[09:00:25] <Duesentrieb>	does WhitelistRead work at all?
[09:00:36] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Am I right in my assumptions that the debugging code I uncommented that is outside conditionals will always be shown when the hook is run?
[09:00:40] <Duesentrieb>	(i guess it does, aotherwise all of wikimedia's private wikis would be open now)
[09:00:43] <MinuteElectron>	one moment, let me check that
[09:01:20] <Duesentrieb>	yes, if it's not in a conditional, and there is no (conditional) return statement before them.
[09:01:32] <Duesentrieb>	put one right at the top of the hook function to be sure.
[09:01:37] <MinuteElectron>	i did
[09:01:45] <MinuteElectron>	that's the one being shown
[09:02:00] <Duesentrieb>	then, well, it doesn't get called.
[09:02:04] <Duesentrieb>	the question is... why?
[09:02:29] <Duesentrieb>	for special pages... ok, they are special. but i really can't imaging how this got screwed up for normal page views. it *really* shouldn't.
[09:02:45] <MinuteElectron>	and, whitelist read seams to work
[09:03:33] <MinuteElectron>	I'm going to trawl through Title.php again - might get some answers from it.
[09:03:39] <Duesentrieb>	yea
[09:03:57] <MinuteElectron>	the logic is pretty hard though
[09:04:04] <Duesentrieb>	i'd start by looking where the whitelist is being checked in relation to where the hook is called.
[09:05:42] <MinuteElectron>	whitelist read is being called in a completely seperate userCanRead function while the hook is being called in getUserPermissionsErrorsInternal
[09:05:50] <MinuteElectron>	so i think they are sperate in too many ways
[09:06:21] <Duesentrieb>	that'S quite odd. actually, the userCanRead function should just be a conveniance wrapper around getUserPermissionsErrorsInternal
[09:06:28] <Duesentrieb>	all real logic should be in getUserPermissionsErrorsInternal
[09:06:36] <Duesentrieb>	userCan just evaluates it.
[09:06:59] <MinuteElectron>	mmh
[09:08:03] <Duesentrieb>	r29725 | midom | 2008-01-14 11:23:48 +0100 (Mon, 14 Jan 2008) | 4 lines
[09:08:03] <Duesentrieb>	* Shortcutted Title::userCanRead() for public wikis
[09:08:10] <Duesentrieb>	thatcould be one issue
[09:08:44] <Duesentrieb>	short-ciquiting the check can improve performance, but Lockdown etc would have to have a way to disable the shortcut
[09:08:50] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, I've figured out it is a problem with the '*' permissions and 'read' permissions - 'edit' works fine.
[09:08:58] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, i'll look into that revision
[09:09:05] <MinuteElectron>	!r 29725
[09:09:05] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=29725
[09:09:08] <Duesentrieb>	r29740 | vasilievvv | 2008-01-14 14:50:55 +0100 (Mon, 14 Jan 2008) | 1 line
[09:09:08] <Duesentrieb>	* Introduce getUserPermissionsErrorsExpensive hook
[09:09:15] <Duesentrieb>	that's another interesting one
[09:09:42] <MinuteElectron>	Yep, that revision is the problem
[09:09:55] <MinuteElectron>	 if ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['read']) return true;
[09:09:57] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Do not SUBST: namespace names (etc.) in user preferences. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13480 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[09:10:09] <MinuteElectron>	domas: What happens if a I revert you?
[09:10:41] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, that fixed it
[09:10:43] <MinuteElectron>	i'm reverting
[09:11:02] <MinuteElectron>	and backporting to REL1_12 if aallowed, this is a major flaw
[09:11:25] <MinuteElectron>	!r 29740
[09:11:25] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=29740
[09:14:33] <CIA-44>	03minuteelectron * r32324 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: 
[09:14:33] <CIA-44>	Partially reverting r29721, this causes a massive flaw in the userCan hook -- breaking a variety of extensions that rely on it -- due to the
[09:14:33] <CIA-44>	circumvention of logic. Reccomend backport to 1.12 branch.
[09:15:41] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Fixed. :)
[09:16:11] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: my guess is that domas tried to improve performance here. perhaps there could be a "wgBypassReadAccessCheck" option to boost performance for wikipedia & co.
[09:16:17] <Duesentrieb>	ah, great thanks :)
[09:16:23] <MinuteElectron>	yes, probably
[09:16:29] <MinuteElectron>	but domas can implement that
[09:16:34] <MinuteElectron>	if he so desires
[09:16:37] <Duesentrieb>	now I only need to wait for 1.12.1 :/
[09:16:52] <MinuteElectron>	you think I shoudl backport?
[09:17:34] <Duesentrieb>	I would recommend a backport, but Isuggest to ask brion.
[09:17:45] <MinuteElectron>	fair enough
[09:17:46] <Duesentrieb>	It's a security-relevant regresstion
[09:18:11] <Duesentrieb>	though in an aerea where mediawiki is not making any promises (per-page read permissions)
[09:18:33] <Duesentrieb>	maybe...
[09:18:46] <MinuteElectron>	yes, but I'll be annoyed if it doesn't get backported - i'd have to start manual hacks if it doesn't and i tried to avoid that
[09:19:10] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: let me put it that way: it doesn't warrant a security release of its own, but if/when 1.12.1 is released,this fix should definitly be included.
[09:19:21] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[09:19:21] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[09:19:24] <MinuteElectron>	that sucks
[09:19:31] <MinuteElectron>	i guess i'll just hack for now
[09:19:35] <Duesentrieb>	*shrug* talk to brion 
[09:19:40] <MinuteElectron>	yeah
[09:19:43] <Duesentrieb>	you can always release a separate patch
[09:19:49] <MinuteElectron>	mmh
[09:19:56] <Duesentrieb>	can you make qa clean patch, and post it somewhere sensible?
[09:20:06] <Duesentrieb>	(and linke it from Extension:Lockdown, perhaps?)
[09:20:33] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[09:20:41] <Duesentrieb>	cool, thanks :)
[09:21:29] <Duesentrieb>	patch against 1.12.0 proper, please. which is whap people will/should have installed
[09:21:39] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[09:24:17] <MinuteElectron>	siebrand: wishful thinking ;)
[09:24:27] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: does thatfix the issue for both, sepacial pages and namespaces, btw=?
[09:24:48] <siebrand>	MinuteElectron: was that "Re:" other channel?
[09:24:56] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[09:24:57] <MinuteElectron>	:D
[09:25:28] <siebrand>	domas: ping?
[09:26:13] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: apparntly not, it still isn't being called at all on special pages - but it is on namespaces
[09:26:32] <Duesentrieb>	hm...
[09:27:56] <CIA-44>	03minuteelectron * r32325 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Remove debugging code.
[09:31:56] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: posted
[09:32:07] <Duesentrieb>	yay:)
[09:32:52] <MinuteElectron>	oh, it does fix special pages too
[09:32:54] <MinuteElectron>	my bad
[09:33:03] <Duesentrieb>	oh, cool!
[09:33:06] <MinuteElectron>	indeed
[09:33:33] <domas>	revert me?
[09:33:36] <domas>	are you nuts?
[09:33:48] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[09:33:53] <MinuteElectron>	domas: security regression
[09:34:14] <domas>	when?
[09:34:22] <Duesentrieb>	would be easyto find a compromise. like... if ($wgGroupPermissions['*']['readallwayswithnoexceptions'])...
[09:34:53] <MinuteElectron>	!r 29721
[09:34:53] --mwbot--	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=29721
[09:34:56] <MinuteElectron>	domas: ^^
[09:35:10] <MinuteElectron>	wait no
[09:35:12] <MinuteElectron>	wrong revision
[09:35:27] <MinuteElectron>	domas: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php?r1=29721&r2=29725&pathrev=29725
[09:35:30] <Duesentrieb>	domas: you shorted the userCan check for read in r29725. makes it impossible to impose read permissions using a hook.
[09:35:47] <domas>	set read=false
[09:35:50] <domas>	and handle it in your extension the
[09:35:51] <Duesentrieb>	broke Lockdown and probably a bunch of other extensions
[09:35:53] <domas>	whats the problem?
[09:36:10] <Duesentrieb>	the problem is that that does not work
[09:36:24] <domas>	what doesn't?
[09:36:33] <domas>	you can't set 'read=false' ?
[09:36:56] <Duesentrieb>	gah, i can't dig into code right now :(
[09:37:05] <Duesentrieb>	iirc it doesn't work with the way permissions are accumulated
[09:37:11] <Duesentrieb>	i.e. the order checks are made.
[09:37:18] <domas>	fix how permissions are accumulated :) don't touch that shortcut
[09:37:23] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, it introduces an inconsistency
[09:37:36] <Duesentrieb>	if you really need the performance boost, i'd recommend an extra option
[09:37:38] <domas>	we had very simple agreement
[09:37:39] <Duesentrieb>	wgBypassReadCheck
[09:37:47] <domas>	if everyone is allowed to read
[09:37:56] <domas>	then no access checks are done
[09:39:11] <MinuteElectron>	meh, if you are right brion will revert me
[09:39:19] <MinuteElectron>	so we'll just wait and see
[09:39:21] <Duesentrieb>	domas: "we had" is who, when, where?
[09:39:54] <domas>	me/brion/Tim
[09:39:58] <domas>	oh, I can revert you too
[09:40:08] <domas>	if you really want that
[09:40:53] <Duesentrieb>	as far as i understood there is also this: userCan hook functions can restrict permissions, but not readily grant them. i'd have to look into the code again, i remember fiddeling with the logic wuite a bit. it would suck to have to invert the way the extension works though
[09:41:05] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, I feel this would need som more discussion and investigation
[09:41:14] <Duesentrieb>	(sadly, i have a thesis to write)
[09:45:24] <carias1>	all. just upgraded to 1.11, having the same problem as described here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/118691#118691 . server is at http://www.SNPedia.com . siteground's permissions seem to prevent doing it via /config
[09:45:25] <domas>	anyway, if you want some magic extensions to work, make them work at 'read=false'
[09:45:42] <carias1>	and phpshell is quietly failing during php upgrade.php -quick
[09:45:55] <carias1>	help
[09:46:28] <Duesentrieb>	carias1: try renamign the config dir to cfg or something
[09:46:42] <Duesentrieb>	carias1: if thast doesn't work, complain to the,
[09:46:44] <Duesentrieb>	*them
[09:46:46] <Duesentrieb>	!shell
[09:46:46] --mwbot--	Shell access (that is, SSH access, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH) is highly recommended if you want to run MediaWiki. You can install without it, and basic operation will work, but even creating backups or upgrading will be painful without it. Some more involved maintenance tasks may even be impossible. MediaWiki is not designed for minimal environments.
[09:47:08] <domas>	meh
[09:47:10] <domas>	people attack me
[09:47:12] <domas>	then disappear
[09:47:15] <domas>	:)
[09:47:22] <Duesentrieb>	domas: i'm still here, and don't take it personal.
[09:47:30] *domas 	looks at MinuteElectron 
[09:47:40] *Werdna 	cuddles domas consolatorily.
[09:48:04] <MinuteElectron>	I didn't attack you.
[09:48:22] <Duesentrieb>	domas: the thing is: that shortcut altered what canand can't be done in teh userCan hook, and it introduced an inconsistency between the read permission and other permissions.
[09:48:53] <domas>	[11:10] 	MinuteElectron	domas: What happens if a I revert you?
[09:48:53] <domas>	[11:10] 	MinuteElectron	yeah, that fixed it
[09:48:53] <domas>	[11:10] 	MinuteElectron	i'm reverting
[09:48:55] <Duesentrieb>	domas: wasther ean annmouncement about this? (there may well be, i didn't pay much attenetion). Is it noted in the specs for the hook?
[09:48:55] <MinuteElectron>	I just reverted you because it broke lots of stuff, it's a fair enough change just the implementation breaks stuff.
[09:48:58] <domas>	oh, you all have rights to document it
[09:49:18] <MinuteElectron>	sorry
[09:49:37] <Duesentrieb>	domas: well, we all have rights to revert whenyou break stuff :). and, err, someone sayg he's reverting you is not an attack. 
[09:49:44] <domas>	ok
[09:49:48] <domas>	I have rights to revert someone
[09:49:50] <domas>	who reverted my stuff
[09:49:56] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[09:49:57] <Duesentrieb>	yay, dev edit war!
[09:50:06] <Duesentrieb>	admin admin! 
[09:50:07] <Duesentrieb>	oh,wat.
[09:50:32] <Duesentrieb>	can we protected that fiel in the wrong version, please?
[09:51:12] *Sasoriza 	grabs some popcorn and prepares for the war :)
[09:51:16] <Duesentrieb>	domas: let's look at this from the other way: why was that shortcut neccessary? 
[09:51:43] <Duesentrieb>	i mean, putting up with changes in behavior and inconsistencies is ok if there's a good reason...
[09:51:43] <domas>	Duesentrieb: now thats the right question
[09:51:48] <CIA-44>	03midom * r32326 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: I actually quite liked that shortcut.
[09:51:58] <domas>	to prevent lots of unstubbing in very beginning of code path 
[09:52:07] *domas 	giggles
[09:52:34] <Duesentrieb>	bah. could you have waited a minute?
[09:52:54] <Duesentrieb>	my suggestion would be an extra falg, like wgBypassReadCheck
[09:53:08] <Duesentrieb>	that could be enabled explicitly, to offer the performance boost.
[09:53:14] <domas>	my suggestion is making userCan work if read=false 
[09:53:19] <Duesentrieb>	it would avoid an inconsistency in the generalcase
[09:53:28] <domas>	look, mediawiki is crapware now when installed
[09:53:33] <domas>	unless you enable all 'performance boosts'
[09:53:37] <domas>	adding one more doesn't help
[09:53:37] <Duesentrieb>	domas: ok then, please explain why the shortcut makes sense for read, but not for other permissions.
[09:54:01] <domas>	Duesentrieb: because read is in _every_ code path :) 
[09:54:06] <domas>	check for it
[09:54:26] <Duesentrieb>	huh? so... i don't get it.
[09:54:58] <Duesentrieb>	if youare arguing that if read is allowed, no forther checks are needed, and any e3xtension thatwants to mess with it should work on the basis of read being false...
[09:54:58] <domas>	'read'='true' equals to "this is public wiki with no read restrictions.
[09:55:03] <Duesentrieb>	then why not do this for all permissions?
[09:55:07] <Duesentrieb>	thatwould at leastbe consistent
[09:55:13] <Duesentrieb>	and it would be even better performace-wise
[09:55:15] <domas>	oh, you can introduce that consistency 
[09:55:17] <Duesentrieb>	and not worse for the hooks
[09:55:23] <Mal>	can someone tell me where css class 'prettytable' should be defined?  i have a default mediawiki 1.12.0 here that won't honor it? 
[09:55:27] <domas>	I'm just looking for most effective fixes 
[09:55:30] <domas>	:(
[09:55:40] <Duesentrieb>	"fix" i very relative in this case
[09:55:58] <domas>	for me it is a fix
[09:56:22] <domas>	:)
[09:56:38] <Duesentrieb>	and for me it'sa nasty performance hack that introduces incosnistencies and breaks mystuff.
[09:56:49] <domas>	there is no such thing as nasty performance hack :)
[09:56:57] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: try "wikitable". it wasrenamed backand forth somehow. not sure that is it, but it's worth a try.
[09:57:27] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: thanks, trying...
[09:58:44] <domas>	now, can extensions work if read=false?
[09:58:47] <domas>	can they override that
[09:58:52] <domas>	and tell "okok, this is true" :)
[09:58:57] <Duesentrieb>	domas: in any case, a change like this should be accompanied by a note in the hooks documentation and the release notes.
[09:59:24] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: alas, no colors, lines and polish :(
[09:59:34] <Duesentrieb>	domas: as to "can they work"? i don't know, i seem to recall thatthere were problems with that. but i donÄt have time to dig into the code now.
[10:00:47] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: huh, i don't see it in code code either. i thought it wasaddedatsome point? whatever, just copy it from wikipedia
[10:00:48] <Duesentrieb>	!css
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[10:02:27] <Duesentrieb>	damn, my space key is starting to break :(
[10:03:22] <domas>	Duesentrieb: I figured out a compromise
[10:03:26] <Mal>	ok, but shouldn't anything in the skins directory on wikipedia be the same as in the distibution file?
[10:03:27] <domas>	$wgMiserMode is my favorite ;-D
[10:04:17] <Duesentrieb>	domas: i thought of that too, but i don't wuite like it. miser mode is usually associated with disabling expensive queries, specialpages, etc. not with changing permission checks in a subtle ways.
[10:04:24] <Duesentrieb>	that could come as a nasty surprise.
[10:04:40] <Duesentrieb>	"wow,wiki is big, better disable expensive stuff"
[10:04:50] <Duesentrieb>	"wtf, all me private data is now visible?!"
[10:04:55] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[10:05:03] <Sasoriza>	Aren't Jldupont's extensions kind of suspicious or something? As in, not entirely stable though marked stable? I seem to recall someone saying something to that effect.
[10:05:21] <domas>	Duesentrieb: set read permissions to false? :)
[10:05:35] <adeel>	does transcluding an external site create a local copy or just a unix like, symlink to the file?
[10:05:36] <domas>	Duesentrieb: it is major requirement for 'whitelist reads' mode
[10:05:48] <domas>	Duesentrieb: why shouldn't it be a requirement for any other limiting of read access/
[10:06:24] <MinuteElectron>	well, this is a blacklist as apposed to a whitelist
[10:06:47] <MinuteElectron>	therefore the opposite should probably apply
[10:06:52] <domas>	no? 
[10:06:52] <Duesentrieb>	domas: because Lockdown is specified exactly the other way around: it imposes additional restrictions, it never grants additional access. we can argue if this is good or bad, but it was inteded as giving additional security.
[10:07:36] <Duesentrieb>	and it uses the hook as specified. and it used to work. *silently* changing behavior in a way that breaks stuff is never good.
[10:07:58] <Duesentrieb>	i suppose i can rewrite lockdown to work the other way around (have to look into that) in a few months.
[10:08:22] <Duesentrieb>	but i donÄt know what other extensions rely on this
[10:08:46] <Duesentrieb>	again: consistency and communication are important...
[10:09:41] <Duesentrieb>	anyway,gotta go now
[10:09:42] <Duesentrieb>	family time
[10:09:51] <domas>	performance is important too! :)
[10:10:34] <domas>	have fun!
[10:11:12] <Duesentrieb>	i never said anything against it. it canbe done with an additional option. or with changing the behavior asyou did, but preferrably consistently for all reights, and in a well defined and documented way.
[10:14:59] <Sasoriza>	Is there a default {{{c}}} in 1.11 somewhere?
[10:15:40] <yks_87>	d'day!
[10:16:00] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: thanks, working now, i saw actually digging in the .css files in the filesystem.... enlightening... 
[10:17:09] <AaronSchulz>	domas: you should heard us talking about log type filters and UNIONs
[10:17:11] <yks_87>	excuse me, could someone help me out with users with bad behaviour: is there a site / FAQ / manual / howto that explains the many ways of dealing with people with malicious intentions - sock puppets etc.; the normal ways of blocking ips isn't enough, I guess they use proxys
[10:17:26] <domas>	AaronSchulz: :(
[10:19:04] <AaronSchulz>	domas: showing only 8/11 logs for 2000 item paging = 16000 row quicksort
[10:19:18] <yks_87>	the usual mediawiki FAQ / manual just explains briefly howto block users normally, but I don't even know how to find out registered users' IPs
[10:19:30] <AaronSchulz>	domas: anyway, do USE INDEX clauses let mysql do less heuristic work?
[10:19:53] <domas>	it does a forceindex
[10:19:57] <domas>	which generally forces a plan
[10:20:28] <AaronSchulz>	so does it spend less time guessing the best index?
[10:21:15] <yks_87>	is there as site for this?
[10:21:28] <Sasoriza>	yks_87: Maybe this will help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets
[10:22:20] <domas>	usually 'guessing an index' is very fast
[10:22:25] <domas>	and I guess no, you don't save time
[10:22:34] <domas>	you just protect yourself against picking up wrong query plan, if there are any
[10:23:27] <Filnik>	is there a way to get a diff of a page using the API? :)
[10:23:57] <Filnik>	I've found nothing 'til now :(
[10:24:04] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[10:24:33] <Filnik>	MinuteElectron: ok, thanks :(
[10:25:39] <AaronSchulz>	domas: I think you should misermode that last commit
[10:29:25] <domas>	AaronSchulz: my soul doesn't let make mediawiki slowware for regular users :(
[10:32:42] <Sasoriza>	"soul" - that reminds me: Isn't there (or was there) a Soul Wiki?
[10:34:32] <Sasoriza>	Anyway, who cares... back to my previous query: Is there a default {{{c}}} in 1.11 somewhere?
[10:34:58] <Sasoriza>	I keep getting strange behavior
[10:37:09] <domas>	actually
[10:37:15] <domas>	nobody cares about performance for regular users :(
[10:41:02] *AaronSchulz 	does
[10:42:54] <CIA-44>	03rotem * r32327 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[10:46:36] <yks_87>	Sasoriza: actually it didn't answer my question of HOW finding out an IP as an admin
[10:54:27] <Sasoriza>	yks_87: You might try asking User:Sannse or User:Splarka at Wikia, they have some experience with that
[10:54:40] <yks_87>	what is wikia?
[10:55:02] <yks_87>	shouldn't this be something documented in mediawiki documentation
[10:55:26] <yks_87>	right now the means to deal with vandalism and obscured vandalism seem kind of crippled
[10:55:52] <yks_87>	if I can't - as the admin - see the IPs of my users (especially the vandals'), how am I supposed to do anything
[10:56:26] <yks_87>	hmm, wikia sounds interesting
[10:56:33] <yks_87>	maybe I should indeed take a look
[10:57:38] <OverlordQ>	there's the checkuser extension
[10:59:35] <Sasoriza>	yks_87: http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4662
[11:00:10] <yks_87>	oh, so it's an extension, I see
[11:00:11] <yks_87>	thank you
[11:00:23] <yks_87>	well, I'll have to dig into that then
[11:00:57] <yks_87>	sheesh, why has there to be spam and vandals ..
[11:02:47] <Sasoriza>	Dum de-de-Dum Dum... Dum! Every time I see Dum I think of the Dragnet theme
[11:53:06] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) OutputPageBeforeHTML hook is not executed for preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7050  (10minuteelectron)
[12:04:46] <Mal>	What am i doing wrong when after installing an extension it shows '$LastChangeDate$' in the Special:Version page instead of an actual date?
[12:05:25] <Mal>	i have several of those, but other than that date they seem to function fine...
[12:05:56] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: you did nothing wrong. it meansthatthe author's extensiondidn't properly tell SVN to replace these tags on check-in.
[12:06:38] <Duesentrieb>	.oO(damn... my space key... it'S leaving me...)
[12:06:53] <Duesentrieb>	nooo! don't die! oriwillforeverhavetowritelikethis!
[12:11:10] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: aha!  but does that means i'm not having the actual stable version then? because they are all being used in wikipedia (where they don't show this behaviour)...  ok, thanks again! on to exploring that SVN thing, scrourging over versionnumbers... ;)
[12:12:50] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: hm... how did you install? using svn checkout, or some other way?
[12:13:03] <Duesentrieb>	(but if svn keyowrds are turned on for that file, it should work...)
[12:14:36] <Mal>	from here: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Asksql/
[12:14:50] <Duesentrieb>	using what?
[12:14:55] <Duesentrieb>	did you copy them manually?
[12:15:04] <Duesentrieb>	that would explain the problem.
[12:15:15] <Duesentrieb>	!bundles
[12:15:15] --mwbot--	unofficial bundles of extensions are at <http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/repository/extensions/>. Note that these are random snapshots and may contain a completely broken version of the extension.
[12:15:21] <Duesentrieb>	you can try that
[12:15:24] <snowolf>	toh
[12:15:28] *snowolf 	never knew about that
[12:15:49] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: safari, right click, then 'download file as...
[12:15:58] <Duesentrieb>	snowolf: about what?  keyword replacement, or the bundles?
[12:16:05] <snowolf>	bundles
[12:16:07] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: yes, "manually".
[12:16:23] <Duesentrieb>	Mal: that way svn never gets a chance to inject the correct timestamp.
[12:17:29] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: oh! how then?
[12:17:44] <Duesentrieb>	using an svn client. or use the bundles i linked to above.
[12:18:48] <Mal>	Duesentrieb: aha!  ok, thanks!  MUCH!...  i'll be on my way then ;)
[12:24:12] <Mal>	brilliant! :)
[12:24:38] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32328 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (24 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-22 13:13 CET)
[12:32:30] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32329 10/trunk/extensions/ (54 files in 53 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-22 13:13 CET)
[12:35:50] <siebrand>	Duesentrieb: you 'did' the modern skin, didn't you?
[12:36:06] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[12:36:10] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment did, mostly
[12:36:15] <siebrand>	ah, yes.
[12:36:46] <siebrand>	flyingparchment: would you mind putting getPoweredBy() somewhere in the modern skin?
[12:58:49] <Dantman>	mmmm.... compiling php from source...
[12:59:40] <Dantman>	^_^ Or in my terms.... `~/php build 5.2.5 as 5` heh... Bash scripts... gotta love them...
[13:46:36] <Dharma>	help a n00b?  I'm trying to add padding underneath every thumb image so there's a gap between the bottom of the thumb and the next line of text. There's already left padding (or possibly right padding on the text) but I can't find where to add more.  Can anyone please tell me which file I should be looking at? I assumed main.css, but it doesn't seem to be there.
[13:47:59] <Duesentrieb>	!css | Dharma
[13:47:59] --mwbot--	Dharma: To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[13:48:05] <Duesentrieb>	don't mess with the default css
[13:48:08] <Duesentrieb>	just add rules
[13:49:20] <Duesentrieb>	the relevant css class should be tright (and tleft for left-aligned thumbnails) or thumb for all (though i'm not sure that#s what you want).
[13:49:33] <eadthem>	i am in need of some help with templates     after each template use  it applys <p> tags around text infront and after its use   is there a way to stop this as its adding unwanted line breaks
[13:50:28] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: remove blank lines in the template definition
[13:50:29] <Dharma>	think it is the one, thanks Duesentrieb. Should've said, I'm using the wordpress skin, so thats where the main.css is from. I'll take a look.
[13:50:47] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: also any linebreaks before <noinclude>, etc
[13:50:53] <eadthem>	and if there are no blank lines
[13:51:07] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: then there should be no <p> added.
[13:51:18] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: link?
[13:51:19] <eadthem>	http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Sandbox#TEMPLATE_SCHMATICS 
[13:51:35] <eadthem>	http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Template:EE_SCH_L&action=edit  inductor image template
[13:51:45] <eadthem>	HTML wire drawing  template   http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Template:EE_SCH_Wire
[13:52:55] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: there's a linebreak between includeonly and noinclude
[13:53:11] <eadthem>	is there a way to disable automatic line breaking  so one must use <br> 
[13:53:21] <Duesentrieb>	no.
[13:53:42] <Duesentrieb>	i think tehre was a feature request for this on bugzilla once. i vaguely remember a half-working patch
[13:53:59] <Duesentrieb>	it would be nice for themplates that use a lot of parser functions, etc. would make them a alot mroe readable
[13:54:37] <eadthem>	i was thinking of a switch  say <nobreak></nobreak>
[13:54:54] <MinuteElectron>	__NOBREAK__ maybe?
[13:55:08] <Dharma>	it was TRIGHT i was after, I just added a margin. Thanks again Duesentrieb
[13:55:12] <MinuteElectron>	oh, as in <nobreak>template</nobreak>
[13:55:24] <eadthem>	k all the whitespace i can get rid of is gon  unless i line the whole template up in 1 line  witch i would rather not do
[13:55:51] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: kind of like the x flag in perl regular expressions. would be quite cool. i'd actaully like amode that even ignores allblanks.
[13:55:57] <eadthem>	ya well anywhere   around any block of code that no automatic breaks   ie     no <p> and no <br>  unless in the code
[13:56:44] <eadthem>	tbh  <p> shuldnt realy be used anyhow   it only makes a mess  <br> is much prefred    for  real HTML
[13:58:08] <eadthem>	ok that got rid of 1 extra <br> tbh shuldnt of been there anyhow as it wasnt in  includeonly
[13:58:12] <OverlordQ>	rofl?
[14:00:39] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: err, <br> is preffered to <p> in read html? where did you get that from? it's the other wayaround almost always.
[14:02:20] <eadthem>	i dont realy see a use for <p>   if i want a paragraph i just write it out and  linebreaks dont apper unless thers a <br> there
[14:03:52] <OverlordQ>	O_o 
[14:04:12] <Duesentrieb>	eadthem: there's a typographical difference, and a semantic difference, between paragraphs and forced line breaks.
[14:04:47] <Duesentrieb>	allmakrup systems i know of respect that and encurage to use that difference - systems raging from tex via html to MS word.
[14:07:50] <Duesentrieb>	fwiw http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.3
[14:13:33] <eadthem>	Duesentrieb  you sayed there was a 1/2 working patch for the excess whitespace issue   you know anythng more on it   even 1/2 a fix might get this to work
[14:13:55] <eadthem>	and ive arlredy put the better part of 24 hours in to these templates and  hand coded SVG images
[14:25:19] <sambecket>	i just upgraded, but all i get is a white screen
[14:25:38] <sambecket>	i first did shell db upgrade
[14:25:57] <sambecket>	then I reran the installer
[14:26:02] <sambecket>	both ran fine
[14:26:24] <sambecket>	i copyed over back the LocalSettings.php and commented out my extentions
[14:26:30] <sambecket>	but I get nuthing
[14:26:39] <MinuteElectron>	add error_reporting( E_ALL ); to the top of your localsettings below the <?php
[14:27:16] <sambecket>	ok
[14:28:12] <sambecket>	no erros on screen
[14:28:28] <MinuteElectron>	and ini_set( 'display_errors', 1 );
[14:28:58] <nzvip>	Is it possible to have one name for the siteSub on each page than what appears in the title?
[14:29:16] <nzvip>	Well... a different one.
[14:29:25] <sambecket>	Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /home/www.recipewiki.com/http/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566
[14:29:44] <MinuteElectron>	sambecket: reupload all the files
[14:29:53] <sambecket>	i just extracted from the tar
[14:29:58] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[14:30:37] <sambecket>	I used http://download.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.12/mediawiki-1.12.0.tar.gz
[14:31:00] <sambecket>	i moved out all old files to /OLD
[14:31:17] <sambecket>	extracted that, and copied in the old LocalSettings
[14:31:43] <sambecket>	do you want me to do that again ?
[14:32:49] <sambecket>	im postive the files are all orginal and unmodified
[14:32:52] <MinuteElectron>	i'm not sure, maybe someone else can help you - but it should just work
[14:33:25] <sambecket>	have you upgraded?
[14:33:55] <sambecket>	let me copy in the old file
[14:34:08] <MinuteElectron>	yes, i have
[14:34:22] <MinuteElectron>	did it this morning, but it just worked forme
[14:34:34] <sambecket>	did you extract over the old files
[14:34:38] <sambecket>	or move them out?
[14:35:18] <MinuteElectron>	i extracted the files on my own computer, moved the old files to a different directory, upload the new ones and copied across my local settings
[14:35:42] <MinuteElectron>	then ran the upgrade and deleted the old files
[14:35:43] <sambecket>	what db upgrade method?
[14:35:48] <MinuteElectron>	re run the installer
[14:35:52] <sambecket>	k
[14:37:30] <sambecket>	re-extracted
[14:37:33] <sambecket>	http://www.recipewiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
[14:37:35] <sambecket>	same error
[14:38:12] <MinuteElectron>	what version of php?
[14:39:04] <sambecket>	PHP 5.2.4 (cli) (built: Oct 16 2007 09:13:35) 
[14:39:55] <sambecket>	pervious version worked fine
[14:39:58] <MinuteElectron>	that should be ok
[14:40:03] <MinuteElectron>	what version are you upgrading form?
[14:40:19] <sambecket>	the previous release
[14:40:24] <MinuteElectron>	1.11.2?
[14:40:35] <sambecket>	yea, not positive 
[14:40:41] <sambecket>	let me check my old folder
[14:40:41] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[14:41:31] <sambecket>	== MediaWiki 1.11.0 ==
[14:41:44] <sambecket>	more RELEASE-NOTES
[14:42:07] <sambecket>	maybe 1.11.2 -- should it be on top of the RELEASE-NOTES ?
[14:42:35] <MinuteElectron>	1.11.0 is good enough to eliminate any regressional problems
[14:43:30] <sambecket>	error is on line                 $dom = new DOMDocument;
[14:43:39] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, jsut looked that up
[14:43:42] <MinuteElectron>	!class DOMDocument
[14:43:42] --mwbot--	See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classDOMDocument.html
[14:44:16] <MinuteElectron>	Apparently there is no such class.
[14:44:43] <sambecket>	weird
[14:45:38] <MinuteElectron>	ok, it's a PHP thing
[14:46:38] <MinuteElectron>	sambecket: Have you got the PHP XML module installed?
[14:46:49] <sambecket>	let me check yum
[14:46:53] <OsamaK>	Hello! Can we (ar.wikipedia) add a word to the spam filter? We have someone who makes some attacks articles?
[14:47:10] <sambecket>	---> Package php-xml.i386 0:5.2.4-3 set to be updated
[14:47:20] <MinuteElectron>	sambecket: what about DOM?
[14:47:42] <sambecket>	yum install php-dom
[14:47:42] <sambecket>	Setting up Install Process
[14:47:42] <sambecket>	Parsing package install arguments
[14:47:42] <sambecket>	Requested dep: php-dom is provided by installed package
[14:47:42] <sambecket>	Nothing to do
[14:48:12] <sambecket>	fixed.
[14:48:12] <zocky>	does anybody but Tim know about the new preprocessor?
[14:48:17] <sambecket>	restarted apache
[14:48:20] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[14:48:22] <MinuteElectron>	cool
[14:48:33] <sambecket>	Installing: php-xml                      ######################### [1/1] 
[14:48:49] <sambecket>	so we need to check to see if php-xml-5.2.4-3.i3 is installed
[14:49:00] <sambecket>	that should be added to the installers check list
[14:49:15] <MinuteElectron>	It is, maybe something weird happend on your site.
[14:49:36] <sambecket>	it wasnt installed last version
[14:49:43] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[14:49:44] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[14:49:47] <MinuteElectron>	i don't know then
[14:49:59] <MinuteElectron>	file a bug report if you want
[14:51:30] <sambecket>	thanks for the help
[14:53:23] <eadthem>	i im gona try to place text ontop of a image using layer  will i find that layer isnt working in wiki?
[14:53:33] <eadthem>	if*
[14:54:22] <Xeriar>	Hello, I'm getting Premature end of script headers: index.php, Referrer ... whenever I try to edit a new page in MediaWiki 1.12. Old pages can be edited, and 1.6.10 worked fine.
[14:55:05] <MinuteElectron>	sambecket: np
[14:55:41] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32330 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[14:55:41] <CIA-44>	Some tweaks:
[14:55:41] <CIA-44>	* Remove ending ?> tag in NamespaceCompat.php
[14:55:41] <CIA-44>	* Fix hook name in docs/hooks.txt
[14:56:18] <zocky>	Xeriar, did you run the update scripts?
[14:57:00] <OsamaK>	؟
[14:57:05] <OsamaK>	Can we (ar.wikipedia) add a word to the spam filter? We have someone who makes some attacks articles?
[14:57:25] <Xeriar>	zocky> Yes, it's broken both on my old installation and on a new installation.
[14:58:00] <ialex>	OsamaK: wich spam filter ? SpamBlacklist ?
[14:58:20] <zocky>	Xeriar, just earlier somebody said that the installer didn't notice that php-xml was out of date
[14:58:34] <zocky>	maybe you need to update php and its modules?
[14:58:43] <Xeriar>	Php 5.2.5
[14:59:06] <zocky>	how about php-xml?
[15:01:12] <Xeriar>	Libxml version is 2.6.23
[15:01:36] <sambecket>	upgrade complete, im good to go till next time.
[15:02:03] <OsamaK>	ialex, Yes
[15:02:08] <OsamaK>	How to add?
[15:02:27] <sambecket>	yum --version  php-xml
[15:02:27] <sambecket>	3.2.8
[15:02:36] <sambecket>	yum install php-xml
[15:03:51] <ialex>	OsamaK: two possibilities : 1) ask it on meta 2) put in MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist on arwiki
[15:06:58] <OsamaK>	well
[15:07:03] <OsamaK>	let me test
[15:07:28] <eadthem>	just found a securty issue
[15:08:26] <sambecket>	:(
[15:08:35] <sambecket>	just finished my upgrading too
[15:10:11] <MinuteElectron>	eadthem: oh?
[15:10:40] <eadthem>	useing DIV layers  you can block someoen from htting edit 
[15:10:52] <Xeriar>	I don't see any php-xml version from my host, unless that's libxml
[15:10:54] <MinuteElectron>	that's not a security issue
[15:10:55] <eadthem>	if you dont restrict your layer to a specfic size
[15:11:18] <MinuteElectron>	and a known issue at that
[15:12:13] <OsamaK>	ialex, I added a word, it dosen't work well
[15:12:22] <OsamaK>	Should it be a link for example?
[15:13:12] <OsamaK>	ialex, http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist&diff=1574211&oldid=1574203&uselang=en
[15:13:18] <OsamaK>	Check this
[15:13:44] <ialex>	OsamaK: what is the site url ?
[15:14:00] <ialex>	(the one you want to blacklist :)
[15:14:34] <OsamaK>	not a website, it's a word
[15:14:42] <OsamaK>	"Attaks pages"
[15:15:44] <OsamaK>	ialex, Meta's list includes words
[15:15:48] <OsamaK>	like "s-e-x"
[15:16:39] <OsamaK>	?
[15:17:33] *OsamaK 	goes
[15:17:35] <ialex>	OsamaK: Spam-blacklist are for urls, if you want to blacklist article names, use MediaWiki:Titleblacklist
[15:18:00] <OsamaK>	ialex, Only for title?
[15:18:20] *OsamaK 	goes, waitsa
[15:19:36] <Xeriar>	Hmm, apparently not... how can I check if php-xml's version or if it's even installed? I can't even find anything about it on the web.
[15:19:51] <eadthem>	xeriar  you have pear?
[15:20:16] <eadthem>	in php theres a extetnion directory  you could simply directly check the version there
[15:20:20] <Xeriar>	Not on the host I'm having issues with.
[15:20:36] <eadthem>	or use the pear gui  by running     pear      in your command box
[15:20:37] <ialex>	OsamaK: Spam Blacklist: This is a list of domain names which are considered spam.
[15:21:00] <eadthem>	look for a lib named  xml somthing or php xml somthing
[15:21:10] <eadthem>	on win it will be .dll
[15:21:26] <Xeriar>	I have libxml, but that only goes up to 2.6.31 and I have 2.6.28
[15:23:14] <eadthem>	my xml is    parser 1.2.8  rpc 1.5.1 util 1.1.4
[15:23:21] <eadthem>	i have no libxml 
[15:23:42] <eadthem>	my server dose run mediawiki on one of its htdocs/domains
[15:25:12] <Xeriar>	Is php-xml a part of Pear?
[15:25:18] <eadthem>	dont know
[15:25:28] <eadthem>	i have pear no frontend
[15:25:38] <eadthem>	and i dont have phpxml
[15:26:00] <eadthem>	i have xml-parser xml-rpc xml-util
[15:27:11] *Xeriar 	isn't even sure what xml functions would be getting called in editing a new page and not an old one anyway.
[15:27:33] <eadthem>	i would get those 3 
[15:27:46] <eadthem>	as i run mediawiki on 1 of my domains on this apache
[15:28:05] <eadthem>	what is the error you have anyhow
[15:28:31] <Xeriar>	I'm getting: Premature end of script headers: index.php, Referrer ... whenever I try to edit a new page in MediaWiki 1.12. Old pages can be edited, and 1.6.10 worked fine.
[15:32:43] <eadthem>	where would one find there mediawiki version
[15:33:12] <Xeriar>	Special Pages -> Version
[15:34:50] <eadthem>	1.10.1
[15:36:10] <Xeriar>	Hmm
[15:36:37] <OsamaK>	ialex, Is spam blocker works with sysop?
[15:37:49] <eadthem>	wtf  dose this mean  1.10 >= 1.10.2   1.10 greater than or equil to  1.10.2      answer false    
[15:37:53] <eadthem>	how dose that tell me anything
[15:38:05] <eadthem>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-announce/2007-September/000067.html
[15:42:15] <ialex>	OsamaK: can you explain "works with sysop" ?
[15:46:12] <OsamaK>	ialex, Well, problem was fixed
[15:46:41] <OsamaK>	ialex, SpamBlocker doesn't block admins
[15:47:32] <eadthem>	[[Category:EE SCH drawing]]
[15:47:39] <eadthem>	wopse  misspaste
[15:48:01] <ialex>	OsamaK: no
[15:48:39] <ialex>	s/no/correct
[15:53:08] <[KrusheR]>	hi
[15:54:18] <[KrusheR]>	accessing raw pages (with action=raw) returns an forbidden error... has something changed from 1.11?
[15:56:16] <[KrusheR]>	i use "ugly" URLs but it doesn't work either: http://www.frikipedia.es/?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000
[15:56:21] <OsamaK>	ialex, Any idea how to make extarnal links as English Wikipedia (With arrow)?
[15:57:31] <Nikerabbit>	[KrusheR]: yes
[15:57:31] <ialex>	OsamaK: the image at the right (or maybe left if rtl) ?
[15:57:49] <OsamaK>	yes
[15:57:50] <[KrusheR]>	what should i do, Nikerabbit?
[15:57:52] <Nikerabbit>	if you go to ghat age with rowser it says Raw pages must be accessed through the primary script entry point.
[15:58:11] <ialex>	OsamaK: it is in MediaWiki by default
[15:58:16] <Nikerabbit>	and it probably thinks you are nyt using primary bcause there is no index.php
[15:58:31] <OsamaK>	ialex, Hum, not in Arabic WIkipedia
[15:58:47] <[KrusheR]>	blabla/index.php?bla bla doesn't work either
[15:59:33] <OsamaK>	ialex, Check http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox
[15:59:40] <[KrusheR]>	has mediawiki to be installed in a directory?
[16:00:55] <MnaNaHEreann>	Hello, I installed 1.12.0 but all I get is
[16:00:58] <MnaNaHEreann>	Parse error: parse error, unexpected $ in /home/www/edwinm.freehostia.com/iw/includes/Parser.php on line 4073
[16:02:35] <Nikerabbit>	MnaNaHEreann: did you upload that file?
[16:03:02] <MnaNaHEreann>	yes
[16:03:09] <IPOTT>	hello
[16:03:17] <IPOTT>	I have one question
[16:03:45] <Nikerabbit>	MnaNaHEreann: try uploading it again, it probaly didn't transfer completely
[16:03:51] <IPOTT>	how do I change the text on special pages, for example the upload page?
[16:04:17] <[KrusheR]>	IPOTT check "all mediawiki messages" on special pages
[16:04:24] <IPOTT>	okay
[16:05:03] <ialex>	OsamaK: dunno if it's a problem with trl languages
[16:05:41] <MnaNaHEreann>	Niekrabbit: done, and the wiki's working, but The main page is empty - shouldn't there be a verification?
[16:07:35] <MnaNaHEreann>	Nikerabbit: Well, the installation failed 2 times, because it was the wrong database - what should I do? Backup LocalSettings.php and reinstall the wiki?
[16:08:19] *Dantman 	thinks he could tag himself as Semantically Insane
[16:08:36] <[KrusheR]>	http://www.frikipedia.es/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&usemsgcache=yes&action=raw&ctype=text/css&smaxage=18000 should work, but it gives me forbidden again :(
[16:08:52] <ialex>	OsamaK: confirm, it is disabled with rtl languages
[16:09:01] <[KrusheR]>	MnaNaHEreann have you ran the update.php?
[16:09:08] <OsamaK>	ialex, :(
[16:09:24] <OsamaK>	So, file a bug?
[16:09:44] <ialex>	OsamaK: "Fix link icons" as comment for that
[16:10:20] <OsamaK>	"disable link icons":)
[16:14:06] <MnaNaHEreann>	KrusheR , Nikerabbit: It's a new installation, no need to run update.php
[16:14:09] <MnaNaHEreann>	right?
[16:14:33] <Nikerabbit>	I guess so
[16:15:36] <MnaNaHEreann>	anyway, as long as its only the main page that's not there, I can survive ;) Thanks
[16:16:33] <[KrusheR]>	is there some way to disable "Raw pages must be accessed through the primary script entry point."?
[16:16:50] <MnaNaHEreann>	May you also ask non-technical questions about mediawiki in this channel? (opinion on something)
[16:17:04] <snowolf>	could try
[16:17:22] <Nikerabbit>	[KrusheR]: I got the vague memory that there was request for switch but I don't know if it was implemented
[16:17:29] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32331 10/trunk/extensions/MWSearch/MWSearch.php: 
[16:17:29] <CIA-44>	* add url in extension credits
[16:17:29] <CIA-44>	* remove EOL whitespace
[16:17:44] <MnaNaHEreann>	snowolf: I'm looking for a skin that fits with illarion.org - but it's hard to find
[16:22:27] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32332 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/OBSOLETE: OBSOLETE. Replaced by MWSearch
[16:23:11] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32333 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): 
[16:23:11] <CIA-44>	* remove LuceneSearch
[16:23:11] <CIA-44>	* add MWSearch to WMF extension group
[16:23:38] <guyvdb>	hi
[16:23:47] <guyvdb>	I want to talk about a GSoC proposal
[16:23:57] <guyvdb>	is there any dedicated channel?
[16:25:53] <Nikerabbit>	guyvdb: I haven't heard of any
[16:26:40] <guyvdb>	ok
[16:27:47] <[KrusheR]>	i've found a hack/workaround... if( strcmp( $wgScript, $url ) ) { -> if(0) { ... i certainly couldn't recommend that but hey, it works
[16:28:28] <guyvdb>	well I want to extend the "diff" page to show the actual changes in the page and not the wiki markup
[16:28:36] <guyvdb>	is that something you'd want?
[16:29:34] <Nikerabbit>	how would you do that?
[16:31:46] <guyvdb>	I'll show you an example
[16:32:25] <Loddar92>	sorry for asking again... how can I create value in the formula data @ the upload page?
[16:34:26] <guyvdb>	http://users.pandora.be/guyvdb/wikipediadiff.jpg
[16:34:45] <guyvdb>	that's what it would like like, but only with english text in stead of dutch :)
[16:35:07] <Loddar92>	can anyone help me?
[16:35:25] <MnaNaHEreann>	Loddar92: is this what you mean? wpUploadFile=Source+filename -- wpDestFile=Destination+filename -- wpUploadDescription=Summary
[16:35:46] <Loddar92>	I think so
[16:35:50] <Loddar92>	ill try
[16:37:37] <Loddar92>	where do I find this?
[16:37:45] <Loddar92>	in which php data?
[16:39:09] <Loddar92>	where do I find wpUploadDescription=Summary?
[16:39:10] <MnaNaHEreann>	Loddar92: e.g. http://edwinm.freehostia.com/iw/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=test.png&wpUploadDescription=This+is+the+summary
[16:39:13] <Loddar92>	okay
[16:39:46] <guyvdb>	Nikerabbit: http://users.pandora.be/guyvdb/wikipediadiff.jpg
[16:40:39] <Loddar92>	I mean like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Hochladen
[16:41:53] <Nikerabbit>	guyvdb: looks nice
[16:42:33] <Nikerabbit>	it probably isn't the most requested feature
[16:43:13] <Loddar92>	can someone halp me? please... how can I add values to formula data like the upload page?
[16:43:43] <[KrusheR]>	formula data?
[16:44:00] <Loddar92>	<form></form>
[16:44:11] <[KrusheR]>	you mean, new fields?
[16:44:15] <Loddar92>	yes
[16:44:17] <Loddar92>	sorry
[16:44:19] <Loddar92>	:D
[16:44:19] <`Nick`>	Hi I've got a bit of a problem with installation, I've checked the faq and nothing there helps
[16:45:05] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: ?
[16:45:21] <`Nick`>	I've just installed a new server. New php, iis, mysql. All good and working properly
[16:45:35] <`Nick`>	I try to install media wiki, it says it can be installed... then it says it's installed
[16:46:01] <`Nick`>	It says Setup has completed, your wiki is configured and tells me to delete the Config folder
[16:46:13] <`Nick`>	So I do.. but the your wiki link just links to /Config/index.php
[16:46:15] <Loddar92>	[KrusheR], can you help me?
[16:46:21] <`Nick`>	And if I use the root/index.php it just has that page
[16:46:24] <`Nick`>	No wiki
[16:46:34] <`Nick`>	The db setup fine with all tables looking fine
[16:46:36] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: did you move the Localsettings.php from under config?
[16:46:38] <`Nick`>	Yep
[16:47:02] <Nikerabbit>	and it still says you need to setup wiki first?
[16:47:06] <[KrusheR]>	Loddar92:  I think not, sorry
[16:47:08] <`Nick`>	No, it says it's setup
[16:47:12] <`Nick`>	But.. there's nothing there hehe
[16:47:16] <windopain>	what's it signify if the letter m is displayed in the page history, such as:  date Admin (Talk | contribs | block) m (74 bytes)
[16:47:20] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: huh?
[16:47:26] <Loddar92>	okay
[16:47:30] <Nikerabbit>	is it online or private?
[16:47:39] <`Nick`>	It just goes to that page saying it's setup and a link to 'your wiki' but hte link is to /config/index.php 
[16:47:41] <`Nick`>	private
[16:47:52] <`Nick`>	It's on localhost
[16:47:55] <[KrusheR]>	windopain: it means minor changes
[16:48:34] <Nikerabbit>	but if you take the config away from the url it says...?
[16:48:49] <windopain>	[KrusheR]: thx.  i thought minor changes didn't show in the history.  is the db the only place one can remove history entries? 
[16:49:01] <`Nick`>	Just that... plan page saying it's set up and wiki link is /config/ that's the root/index.php file
[16:49:12] <[KrusheR]>	i think it's not safe to modify the DB directly
[16:49:35] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: did you delete whole config directory?
[16:49:43] <[KrusheR]>	but it could be ok anyway
[16:49:53] <Nikerabbit>	it sounds like it's still accessing index.php under config
[16:49:56] <`Nick`>	yeah I did
[16:50:39] <Nikerabbit>	double check that you are working on correct directories :o
[16:50:50] <`Nick`>	Definitely hehe
[16:51:15] <`Nick`>	I just deleted index.html that was hanging around in the root directory, now it just says it can't find the page, though I've got index.php set up as a default
[16:51:40] <`Nick`>	and using 127.0.0.1/index.php shows a 404 now too
[16:51:53] <[KrusheR]>	do you use modrewrite?
[16:52:02] <[KrusheR]>	ugly URLs?
[16:52:14] <`Nick`>	IIS not apache
[16:52:31] <[KrusheR]>	well nobody's perfect
[16:52:36] <`Nick`>	heh
[16:52:53] <[KrusheR]>	do IIS suport URL rewrite?
[16:52:58] <[KrusheR]>	*support
[16:53:25] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: did you install mw into your document root directly?
[16:53:48] <`Nick`>	There's a couple of things that do it, Krusher, but I'm not really technical enough to work them out I don't think
[16:53:56] <`Nick`>	I just wanted to get a wiki up and running
[16:53:58] <[KrusheR]>	check $wgArticlePath in LocalSettings.php
[16:54:10] <`Nick`>	This time, yeah Nike. The first time I tried it in /Wiki/ but same thing
[16:54:15] <`Nick`>	ok one sec
[16:54:23] <[KrusheR]>	it should be "$wgScript?title=$1" or something like that
[16:54:34] <[KrusheR]>	also check $wgScript
[16:54:34] <Nikerabbit>	to me it sounds either permission problem or wrong directory
[16:55:12] <[KrusheR]>	i would bet it's LocalSettings.php problem
[16:55:34] <Nikerabbit>	[KrusheR]: why would it be if index.php gives 404 :o
[16:55:41] <`Nick`>	Ahhh it says $wgScriptPath = /Confog/index.php
[16:55:47] <`Nick`>	*Config
[16:55:49] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[16:55:55] <Nikerabbit>	yeah that looks wrong
[16:56:05] <Nikerabbit>	probably installer bug
[16:56:13] <`Nick`>	Sorry, the server is in VirtualBox, and I've not setup guest adds to copy paste yet
[16:56:16] <[KrusheR]>	yeah! i win teh internets!
[16:56:21] <`Nick`>	So I should change that to /index.php
[16:56:22] <`Nick`>	?
[16:56:26] <[KrusheR]>	yes
[16:56:30] <[KrusheR]>	try it
[16:56:56] <`Nick`>	Whoo!
[16:57:11] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: is this 1.12.0 you are installing?
[16:57:17] <`Nick`>	Well, there's something. I need to customise it to hell and back, doesn't appear to be any skin or anything
[16:57:39] <[KrusheR]>	`Nick`: check the skins under "skins" directory
[16:57:44] <`Nick`>	yeah
[16:58:02] <[KrusheR]>	also you can config a default skin 
[16:58:12] <[KrusheR]>	you can even force all users to use that skin
[16:58:14] <`Nick`>	They all seem to be there
[16:58:21] <ipott>	so
[16:58:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) level one headers that wrap result in not enough line spacing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11325  (10N/A)
[16:59:00] <ipott>	how can I create values for fields like on the upload pages of wikipedia?
[16:59:19] <Nikerabbit>	`Nick`: actually try setting the wgscript to '/'
[16:59:36] <[KrusheR]>	ipott: what do you need that for?
[16:59:40] <`Nick`>	It says the default skin is monobook in the localsettings
[16:59:41] <Nikerabbit>	you probably need some url magic to get it working properly
[16:59:43] <`Nick`>	But it's not working hehe
[16:59:44] <[KrusheR]>	Nikerabbit: i think he has solved it already
[16:59:56] <[KrusheR]>	`Nick`:  what skins does it show?
[17:00:20] <Nikerabbit>	[KrusheR]: index.php doesn't belong to wgScriptPAth
[17:00:36] <[KrusheR]>	true
[17:01:02] <ipott>	 I need that for my wiki, so that everyone, that uploads pictures give me the picture-data
[17:01:04] <`Nick`>	Chick, CologneBlue, Modern, Monobook, MySkin, Nostalgia, Simple, Standard
[17:01:13] <[KrusheR]>	you could use the Image:blabla.jpg page to do that
[17:01:44] <[KrusheR]>	also you can use the EXIF headers on JPGs
[17:01:53] <ipott>	but somehow must it work... the wikipedia have it to
[17:02:03] <`Nick`>	Just went into preferances on the admin user, and none of the skin options work
[17:02:22] <ipott>	yeah
[17:02:42] <windopain>	any suggestions for maintaining two lists of terms, one made up of initialisms and the other made up of the actual term names? 
[17:02:42] <Nikerabbit>	if wgscriptpath is wrong, none of the css styles are loaded
[17:02:51] <windopain>	currently i have two seperate pages
[17:03:15] <`Nick`>	It's as /index.php
[17:03:24] <ipott>	I only need the location of the php-file where the uploadsite is written down
[17:03:39] <Nikerabbit>	the index.php should only come in $wgScript
[17:04:55] <`Nick`>	What do you mean?
[17:06:17] <ipott>	[KrusheR]: I ownly need the location of the variable wpUploadDescription
[17:06:59] <[KrusheR]>	let me check
[17:07:03] <`Nick`>	Ah hah got uit
[17:07:03] <ipott>	I've found the solution myself
[17:07:07] <ipott>	okay
[17:07:12] <ipott>	thank you:D
[17:07:13] <`Nick`>	Had to put C:/Inetpub/wwwroot in there
[17:08:23] <[KrusheR]>	ipott it's in MediaWiki:Uploadtext
[17:08:41] <[KrusheR]>	but you cannot add HTML anyway
[17:09:08] <`Nick`>	Hmm now it's not letting me log in though 
[17:10:33] <`Nick`>	Hmm just had to create a new user, whereas it let me log in with the admin user I set up earlier before
[17:10:34] <`Nick`>	Oh well
[17:11:52] <windopain>	is there a character that will insert a tab on a page? 
[17:12:06] <windopain>	i'd like to make a glossary but not with ; and : b/c i'd like each entry on a single line
[17:12:19] <`Nick`>	Thanks for the help guys! I'll go and play with it a bit now!
[17:13:27] <TheDaveRoss>	windopain: you can use HTML tricks, but there is no other indentation character
[17:13:45] <windopain>	guess I could space everything out manually 
[17:13:59] <TheDaveRoss>	or use css and <p>
[17:14:07] <[KrusheR]>	or tables
[17:15:02] <windopain>	i understand tables not sure on how css and the <p> element would do it ?
[17:15:41] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32334 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: 
[17:15:41] <CIA-44>	* Per r32164: adding commented out 'editprotected' right to group 'bot'
[17:15:41] <CIA-44>	* Fix spaces
[17:29:57] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32335 10/trunk/phase3/docs/hooks.txt: Document ArticleRevisionVisiblitySet hook
[17:38:11] <siebrand>	does anyone know what license Jean-Lou Dupont uses for his extensions?
[17:43:28] <ialex>	siebrand: by default it should be GPL
[17:43:33] <VasilievVV>	siebrand: let it be GPL :)
[17:44:40] <siebrand>	ialex: I've got an extension by him I want to fork into the MediaWiki svn repo. So I need to have some clarity. There is nothing about licenses in the package I downloaded or on his wiki (at least not at places where I would expect it).
[17:45:03] <siebrand>	My Commons background now makes me assume it is All rights reserved, as there is nothing else...
[17:45:23] <Wiredtape>	anyone know of a doc->wikitext converter?
[17:45:41] <siebrand>	Wiredtape: there is one for Word somewhere on the net.
[17:46:05] <Nikerabbit>	is $wgAddGroups broken?
[17:46:20] <ialex>	siebrand: see README lines 40-44
[17:46:53] <siebrand>	ialex: which readme? (btw, I'm talking about http://mediawiki.googlecode.com/svn/tags/Quimble/)
[17:46:57] <Wiredtape>	siebrand, have any suggestion of what to search for, google coughs up nothing for "doc->wikitext" or "doc to wikitext"
[17:46:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Magic word for number of items in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6943  (10mrzmanwiki)
[17:47:05] <Nikerabbit>	it doesn't seem to have any effect :/
[17:47:16] <ialex>	siebrand: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/README?view=annotate
[17:48:00] <siebrand>	ialex: does not apply, I think. Code is not in the same repo, and not a derivative.
[17:55:09] <Dharma>	Hi.  Can anyone tell me, is there an alternative to the |thumb| command which lets you place and position an image WITHOUT the background?
[17:55:29] <flyingparchment>	that readme is wrong
[17:55:41] <flyingparchment>	code linked with gpl code does _not_ have to be released under the GPL, it just has to be compatible with it
[17:56:10] <carias1>	all. while installing semantic mediawiki's halo extension.MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'snpedia_wiki'@'localhost' for table 'func' (localhost)".  How can I check   http://wiki.ontoprise.de/ontoprisewiki/index.php/Halo_Extension_1.0_Installation  step 6. 
[18:02:49] <siebrand>	flyingparchment: would you mind putting getPoweredBy() somewhere in the modern skin?
[18:06:27] <flyingparchment>	depends, does it include that horrid icon?
[18:16:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki watchlists with option for public viewing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3525  (10jeffq)
[18:19:50] <Dharma>	does anybody have any idea why the 'right' tag doesn't work here?  [[Image:picname.jpg|right]]
[18:21:16] <MnaNaHEreann>	try [[Image:Pickname|float|right]]
[18:21:22] <MnaNaHEreann>	(or thumb)
[18:22:20] <Dharma>	tnx, but in that case, is there anyway to remove the background from a thumb, for one instance, (but not the rest).
[18:22:51] <MnaNaHEreann>	what background?
[18:23:42] <Dharma>	the 'thumb' background, (in tright, I think).  In wikipedia, thumbs have a blue b/g, for example.
[18:23:43] <MnaNaHEreann>	try [[Image:Example.jpg|frameless|right]]
[18:23:53] <Dharma>	will do, tnx
[18:24:02] <MnaNaHEreann>	You're welcome :)
[18:26:11] <siebrand>	ialex: did find the license :) http://mediawiki.googlecode.com/svn/tags/Quimble/1.0.0/package.xml (PHP license)
[18:26:33] <ialex>	siebrand: great :)
[18:26:33] <Dharma>	no luck. it only seems to position with the |thumb| tag, but I can't get rid of the frame.  I just thought it might be something obvious. Tnx anyway.
[18:26:54] <siebrand>	ialex: now I just have to find out what the PHP license means :)
[18:26:58] <MnaNaHEreann>	I'm sorry, frameless will only work with the width setting
[18:27:07] <MnaNaHEreann>	Dharma: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images
[18:27:23] <Dharma>	tnx, I'll take a look
[18:29:15] <ialex>	siebrand: http://www.php.net/license/3_01.txt
[18:29:37] <flyingparchment>	isn't the PHP license not GPL compatible?
[18:31:16] <ialex>	flyingparchment: the FSF says that is not compatibe
[18:39:12] <Dharma>	still no luck. I'm using a (slightly) altered Wordpress skin, and for some reason, image positioning doesn't work using [[Image:picname.jpg|right]] , but it works for thumbs. Any ideas anyone?
[18:45:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162  (10jacob.jose)
[19:01:12] <Soxred93>	Hey, do I need to enable a certain setting to allow images to be resized by width and height?
[19:11:04] <OverlordQ>	hurm, any idea on what to check to see why on uploaded svg's why the thumbnail isn't transparent like on wikipedia?
[19:11:42] <VasilievVV>	Another rendering software?
[19:12:54] <OverlordQ>	aha, yea.
[19:13:09] <OverlordQ>	according to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.html, WP uses rsvg
[19:14:00] <OverlordQ>	and according to the manual the default is imagemagik
[19:21:41] <simonrvn>	i use rsvg too, it makes real nice pngs
[19:22:03] <simonrvn>	librsvg-bin in debian, IIRC
[19:37:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please, may we use square brackets in JSON callbacks? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12136  (10kent_brewster)
[19:57:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please, may we use square brackets in JSON callbacks? - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12136  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Court membership for Brennan redlinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13481 minor; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (tom.looby)
[20:03:42] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Court membership for Brennan redlinked - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13481  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[20:10:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Merge create account and log in - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13455  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[20:23:56] <AaronSchulz>	ugh
[20:26:03] <MrZ-man>	the least people could do is make sure that the link is correct before taking a screenshot and filing a bug 
[20:27:11] <VasilievVV>	AaronSchulz: does FlaggedRevs handle redirects?
[20:27:24] <AaronSchulz>	what do you mean?
[20:27:47] <VasilievVV>	E.g. can we use stable redirects?
[20:28:09] <AaronSchulz>	you can review them, yes
[20:28:26] *AaronSchulz 	tests some stuff
[20:29:31] <toweri>	Hi. I'm trying to use the Infobox template copied from Wikipedia, but ran into problems.
[20:30:22] <toweri>	The code for the infobox table is for some reason output as code (< substituted with &lt; and so on).
[20:30:44] <toweri>	The infobox template itself seems okay, however.
[20:30:49] <AaronSchulz>	VasilievVV: hmm, they don't redirect anymore though
[20:31:21] <MrZ-man>	with redirects, wouldn't normal protection work just about as well?
[20:31:28] <derwin>	heh, I had issues trying to copy templates from wikipedia, too
[20:31:39] <derwin>	I feel like if you do not have all of the templates that are used by the templates
[20:31:43] <derwin>	you are unlikely to have success
[20:31:59] <toweri>	derwin: I commented out the templates that infobox referenced.
[20:32:02] <MrZ-man>	you also may need some of Wikipedia's CSS
[20:32:08] <MrZ-man>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[20:32:12] <toweri>	(in my local Templates:Infobox
[20:32:29] <MrZ-man>	since a lot of templates use custom styles
[20:32:31] <windopain>	say i have a list of songs and i'd like to list them by genere or by year; simple enough db task... is there an extension/template for mediawiki to allow me to do this? 
[20:33:09] <toweri>	Humm. CSS only affects the representation, not code itself?
[20:33:15] <derwin>	there is categories, windopain
[20:33:49] <windopain>	derwin: for items on a page though?  
[20:34:15] <derwin>	I think you are probably trying to use the wrong tool, but dunno.
[20:34:27] <windopain>	wrong tool being wikipedia you mean? 
[20:34:29] <windopain>	er mediawiki
[20:34:43] <derwin>	that's my hunch, but IANAE(xpert)
[20:35:11] <windopain>	i guess it just seems like mediawiki would lend itself to it since it's db-based in the first place but eh i surely don't know much of what i'm talking about :)
[20:35:23] <windopain>	all those extensions, i was hoping one would do what i was looking for
[20:36:19] <derwin>	well, one probably does do what you're looking for
[20:36:35] <derwin>	the source of my doubt is that it does it better or more easily than other software frameworks
[20:37:13] <derwin>	but this is based on the extreme complexity of what I've learned about doing programming-like things in mediawiki so far
[20:51:16] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32336 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Remove obsolete param
[20:52:53] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32337 10/trunk/extensions/Gadgets/Gadgets.php: * Fix cache check
[20:55:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Api search returns empty page with MWSearch extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13482 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[21:04:21] <toweri>	The infobox problem I was asking about appears on this page: http://du.dy.fi:50080/voowiki/index.php/Malline:Kurssipohja
[21:04:43] <toweri>	(sorry, the wiki is in Finnish, but the structure's still visible... "muokkaa" = "edit"
[21:05:29] <toweri>	As you can see, the infobox table row has been output as "&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan="2" class="" style="text-align:center;"&gt;Laajuus&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;" which is kinda weird.
[21:05:29] <Nikerabbit>	huomenta
[21:06:38] <Nikerabbit>	toweri: did you make it yourself?
[21:07:03] <pusling>	hi people. I have a ancien media wiki runinng 1.3.9. Any prcautions or step-by-step upgrade needed  -  or is it just to fill in a 1.12.0 and let mediawiki do magick ?
[21:09:29] <carl-m>	the db schema is very different. 
[21:10:30] <carl-m>	I don't know whether it's enough to just run update.php
[21:10:55] <pusling>	I guess I just need to take a backup of the db and see what breaks ;)
[21:11:14] <carl-m>	that's one strategy
[21:11:46] <carl-m>	is there anything on mediawiki.org about it?
[21:12:44] <toweri>	Nikerabbit: Copy-paste straight from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox
[21:13:03] <carl-m>	pusling: look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[21:13:08] <Nikerabbit>	you prolly don't want to that
[21:13:25] <Nikerabbit>	and if you do you need to set up all kinds of things like tidy and some extensions
[21:13:33] <toweri>	tidy?
[21:13:48] <toweri>	ParserFunctions I already have installed.
[21:14:13] <toweri>	What puzzles me is the fact that the HTML tags on the template somehow are interpreted as plain text.
[21:14:41] <carl-m>	toweri: do you know whether the html tags are enabled?
[21:14:54] <Nikerabbit>	it is documented somewhere how to use english wikipedia dumps or something
[21:15:46] <toweri>	carl-m: Default Mediawiki configuration, which I hope corresponds to the Mediawiki manual, which states that some HTML tags, including <table>,<tr> and <td> do work.
[21:16:22] <pusling>	carl-m: looks like I need to do some finger-crossing as well ;)
[21:17:27] <carl-m>	toweri: hmm
[21:20:05] <toweri>	Ah, fuck it. I'm going to do it by hand.
[21:20:22] <carl-m>	sorry for the lack of insight
[21:20:51] <toweri>	No prob... I think I'm only beginning to realize the complexity of the mediawiki system...
[21:40:31] <pusling>	carl-m: urgh. stuff seems to break. nice issues with latin1 vs utf8...
[21:40:59] <carl-m>	pusling: yes, the utf-8 switch is a big deal
[21:41:51] <pusling>	carl-m: oh. this time the update script at least didn't break.  I converted my database dump to utf8 and imported it.
[21:43:19] <carl-m>	you just converted it in-place?
[21:44:43] <carl-m>	there is some documentation of the utf-8 issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_MediaWiki#Upgrading_to_utf-8_Before_Upgrading_to_1.5.x
[21:44:58] <pusling>	I exported my database to a file; made it utf8, emptied the database, imported the text file, ran php maint..../upgrade.php - and now it at least looks like it works
[21:45:49] <carl-m>	there is something there that says recent changes may have some corrupt rows, and images may have problems
[21:52:12] <pusling>	carl-m: yeah. some of my images needs to be moved around, but that's so far the biggest issues I have seen
[21:52:28] <carl-m>	that's great
[21:56:39] <pusling>	are there any specific places in my wiki I could visit to see if there is any "expected" problems ? ;)
[21:57:37] <carl-m>	that's tough. I would look to make sure that non-ascii letters are correct 
[21:57:48] <pusling>	they are.
[21:58:04] <pusling>	(the wiki is in danish, which uses quite some non-ascii letters ;)
[21:58:32] <carl-m>	all the internal stuff should be ascii anyway
[22:00:02] <pusling>	Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 491520 bytes) in .... 
[22:00:12] <pusling>	nice.  Wonder if it is upgrade breakage or switching host breakage
[22:01:13] <pusling>	probably switching host breakage.
[22:01:17] <MUINATOR>	hi, i have little question. I just finished the mediawiki installioin without problems. But in order to get on my homepage it es only www.example.com/wiki accepted, olthough i installed it to the main directory and not in the "wiki" folder. Can somedbody help me ????
[22:05:41] <carl-m>	MUINATOR: look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[22:06:01] <carl-m>	things like that are dependent on webserver configuration
[22:06:57] <carl-m>	MUINATOR: also, there are technical reasons why a /wiki/ directory is important - see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory
[22:08:36] <Duesentrieb>	MUINATOR: and never, ever, install the files into the root directory.
[22:08:41] <Duesentrieb>	it makes things so much harder.
[22:08:50] <Duesentrieb>	!rewriteproblems
[22:08:50] --mwbot--	1) Try <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/wiki/Page_title_--_no_root_access> as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root; 4) Use different paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root.
[22:20:01] <MUINATOR>	sorry was busy - thanky for you help
[22:20:03] <MUINATOR>	 !!!
[22:22:19] <Nikerabbit>	haha muinator :o
[22:33:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162  (10jyothis.e)
[22:40:33] <MUINATOR>	where can i customize the navigation bar? how do i get there?
[22:40:47] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar | MUINATOR
[22:40:47] --mwbot--	MUINATOR: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[22:41:44] <Duesentrieb>	MUINATOR: perhaps having a look at the FAQ would also help.
[22:42:22] <MUINATOR>	thanks
[22:53:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow skin CSS to be flushed remotely - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8433  +comment (10md5)
[22:59:05] <arith>	hello!
[22:59:54] <arith>	i have a question... when i edit a page, does the mediawiki save the entire new version or just the differences?
[23:00:19] <MrZ-man>	the entire new version
[23:00:49] <peder>	and a diff to the last, isn't it
[23:01:23] <arith>	no, but you can let you show the difference to the last
[23:02:07] <arith>	okay, thx for the help!
[23:02:09] <arith>	bye
[23:20:22] <dukez>	hi
[23:33:43] <dukez>	I can't get any thumbnails when I upload a picture. I've tried what's written in the FAQ without success 
[23:33:51] <dukez>	is there something else to try ?
[23:39:37] <Duesentrieb>	!thumbs
[23:39:37] --mwbot--	For information on configuring thumbnailing on MediaWiki, please refer to <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Image_thumbnailing>.
[23:40:06] <Duesentrieb>	also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Check_directory_security
[23:40:37] <dukez>	ok, thx
[23:40:45] <Duesentrieb>	also, thumbnailing istracked pretty closelyby the debug log, iirc.
[23:40:46] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[23:40:46] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[23:42:04] <dukez>	ah great, that was my next question :)
[23:46:44] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32338 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (3 files): 
[23:46:44] <CIA-44>	*Move demote log hook to main file
[23:46:44] <CIA-44>	*Add suggest userrights permission (makereviewer may become obsolete)
[23:48:18] <aib_>	is it possible to have a wikifarm where the wikis share the same database but are separated in terms of login? e.g., having access to one wiki does not automatically get you access to articles in the other?
[23:48:58] <AaronSchulz>	lol, that is how wikipedia still is
[23:49:37] <aib_>	hmm..the wikis are using the exact same database?
[23:50:05] <SpexBluefox>	Hello
[23:50:45] <Duesentrieb>	aib_: depends on whatyou mean by "exact same database". ifthey use the exact same db tables, theyare not different wikis. you can have multiple wikis inside the same database by using table prefixes.
[23:51:15] <aib_>	gotcha. thanks duesentrieb
[23:51:17] <Duesentrieb>	aib_: anyway, if youhave multiple wikis (no matter what way), they do not share user accounts, unless you go through some fiddeling to make them.
[23:52:30] <SpexBluefox>	I'm trying to modify the links in my Wiki's navigation. Obviously, it's pretty easy to add your own links by just adding them at the end of the script that generates the navigation. But how do I remove certain links that it generates?
[23:53:48] <SpexBluefox>	the navigation menu meaning Main Page, Community Portal, etc.
[23:54:52] <Duesentrieb>	huh?
[23:55:05] <Duesentrieb>	it's all defeined by the same system message
[23:55:07] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar
[23:55:07] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[23:55:27] <Duesentrieb>	however, you can't edit the stuff that shows up in the toolbox. that's separate, and magic.
[23:55:39] <SpexBluefox>	That's fine, I just need navigation
[23:55:40] <Duesentrieb>	these links are context-dependant
[23:55:57] <SpexBluefox>	and is that really a bot that answered my question? o.o;
[23:56:01] <Duesentrieb>	SpexBluefox: i don't see how you could add anything without overriding all.
[23:56:06] <aib_>	is anyone using the Farmer extension? we've got 10 wikis that we're looking to consolidate in terms of management.. it says "experimental" but our wikis are certainly not experimental. if it's really just perpetual beta that would be fine
[23:56:17] <aib_>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Farmer
[23:56:38] <Duesentrieb>	SpexBluefox: it's a bot that i tell to supply the explanations and links to go with myanswers :P
[23:56:54] <aib_>	I've also seen the MediaWiki FAQ. what's the "best" way to handle farming atm? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_install_more_than_one_wiki_.28MediaWiki.29_on_a_server.3F_How.3F
[23:57:23] <dukez>	Duesentrieb: I've tried everything that is in the doc. When I upload a picture, it always has size 0x0 and its mimetype is well detected. When reloading the page, its mimetype goes to unknow/unknow. Do you have an idea ?
[23:57:29] <Duesentrieb>	aib_: ask the author. there's no process for code review or anything, except for code that goes live on wmf servers (i.e. on wikipedia et.al.)
[23:58:01] <SpexBluefox>	Oh! ^.^; I was gonna say that's some fine programming to make that bot work. Anyway, thanks. An in your skin's php file you can just tag on extra links by adding them as regular <a> links. At least my layout lets me do that.
[23:58:05] <Duesentrieb>	dukez: huh? it's okat first, but then changes? that is VERY odd. and a size of 0x0 is not good either.
[23:58:31] <Duesentrieb>	dukez: look into the debug log. mime detection on upload is covered as a well.
[23:58:37] <aib_>	i understand. i'm wondering if anyone in here (besides WMF :) is running a wiki farm, and how they are doing it