[00:00:15] <peleg>	Tako-san: and after checkout, do I run the installer or just change the localsettings file?
[00:00:15] <xaxxon>	I want to have an offline text document in wiki markup and get the html it would make
[00:00:32] <xaxxon>	basically make a webservice call that takes the markup and returns the html
[00:00:59] <peleg>	xaxxon: why not using media-wiki for that? running on your local machine..
[00:01:00] <xaxxon>	it doesn't have to be a REAL webservice call.. just some hack that lets me do something like that
[00:01:35] <xaxxon>	yeah.. that's what I'm doing.  I just don't want it in the wiki.. I wan to get the html.. for example for sending in an email or something
[00:02:13] <xaxxon>	it's really not for me, I just told someone I'd ask..
[00:02:25] <xaxxon>	I'm not 100% on why they want to do this, but they're pretty convinced they do
[00:04:08] <peleg>	xaxxon: well, I believe you CAN user the parser somehow. I am not sure how.
[00:04:17] <xaxxon>	ok
[00:16:13] <solifugus>	If I assign a value to a value outside of any function, then global it into a function but it doesn't contain the value there.. what might be wrong?
[00:18:52] <solifugus>	$wgArticlePath set in LocalSettings.php somehow looses its value when globalled into WebRequest.php
[00:19:16] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32455 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: 
[00:19:16] <CIA-44>	Escape shell arguments. The only one *definitely* unsafe is a postback URL that
[00:19:16] <CIA-44>	comes from a foreign website... while presumably semi-trusted, that's a poor
[00:19:16] <CIA-44>	practice. :) But the various temp filenames ought to be escaped too, for
[00:19:16] <CIA-44>	cleanliness... and who knows, someone might have a CRAZY temp dir name with
[00:19:18] <CIA-44>	spaces or something. :)
[00:21:24] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32456 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: 'browsearchive' should be given to sysops
[00:26:25] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32457 10/trunk/phase3/ (HISTORY maintenance/wiktionary-interwiki.sql): fix wrong bug number, wrong comment
[00:27:18] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32458 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES maintenance/wiktionary-interwiki.sql): fix wrong comment, wrong bug no
[00:27:51] *AaronSchulz 	watches brion rewrite the past :)
[00:28:48] <VonSchmut>	AaronSchulz: Can you help solifugus? I'm not real familiar with apache, and he's been waiting a while
[00:29:09] *AaronSchulz 	needs to help himself to some food
[00:29:14] *VonSchmut 	too
[00:37:24] <solifugus>	The default generated LocalSettings.php for each wiki is somehow killing $wgArticlePath without specifically referencing it.
[00:37:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:40:04] <brion>	time to head home, will poke y'all later :D
[00:43:45] <AaronSchulz>	n8
[01:01:12] <mlaci>	how can i list articles by creation date?
[01:06:25] *VonSchmut 	's brain turns to mush... another day wasted
[01:39:09] <MZMcBride>	Werdna: Whatever happened to checkboxes on Special:UserRights? Just curious...
[02:03:42] <AaronSchulz>	mlaci: you cannot, at least not definitively
[02:05:10] <mlaci>	AaronSchulz: i think i found it in the meantime: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages
[02:22:40] <Random832>	AaronSchulz: hey
[02:22:56] <Random832>	on en.labs.wikimedia.org, it says there's a "vet" tab, but I don't see it. Is this feature limited to sysops?
[02:26:51] <Random832>	and, incidentally - can someone explain why pagemove doesn't work for ns14 (Category) ?
[02:27:26] <mib_5rius5j6>	anyone know if there is a way to create a media extension that disables the edit function for a specific piece of code that would be put into a page?
[02:34:23] <AaronSchulz>	there is no category renaming
[02:34:31] <AaronSchulz>	bots have to do that
[02:34:42] <MZMcBride>	Yeah, he's asking why.
[02:34:54] <MZMcBride>	I said it was for simplicity, because the members can't be updated.
[02:35:36] <MZMcBride>	Like, the actual Category text can't be moved, so the history is destroyed, which kinda sucks.
[02:35:46] *AaronSchulz 	reads http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=257#more-257
[02:37:09] <AaronSchulz>	I mean it should move the category page and lock it, then inserts jobs into the queue that add a revision does a regexp to rename the category
[02:37:33] <Random832>	eh
[02:37:41] <Random832>	I'd settle for a way to JUST move the category text
[02:37:48] <Random832>	and let the bots handle the repopulation
[02:37:59] *amidaniel 	groans
[02:38:01] <Random832>	AaronSchulz: do you have an answer to my question about flagged revs?
[02:38:10] <amidaniel>	Can we please pass a law prohibitting bloggers from quoting Hitler?
[02:38:15] <amidaniel>	That's really obnoxious
[02:38:20] <Random832>	regexp would be complicated due to e.g. templates
[02:38:22] <AaronSchulz>	only sysops can do it
[02:38:38] <Random832>	can you let people make themselves sysops on the test site so they can test that feature?
[02:38:43] <MZMcBride>	amidaniel: Godwin's?
[02:38:48] <AaronSchulz>	not now
[02:38:53] <Random832>	or change it so reviewers can do it on the test site?
[02:38:57] <Random832>	(or make a third group)
[02:39:07] <AaronSchulz>	meh, not much to play with there
[02:39:14] <Random832>	because it's kind of pointless to mention it in the instructions
[02:39:18] <Random832>	when you and Erik are the only sysops
[02:39:47] <amidaniel>	MZMcBride: I dunno .. does it apply when it's just one person ranting to himself?
[02:39:56] <amidaniel>	Thought Godwin's required a group of people debating
[02:40:00] <MZMcBride>	Dunno, trying e-mailling Mike. ;)
[02:40:09] <amidaniel>	hehe
[02:40:15] <MZMcBride>	e-mailing, even. 
[02:40:25] <Random832>	incidentally, why does this have its own extension for giving people the flags, instead of using userrights?
[02:40:44] <AaronSchulz>	ID is always funny
[02:41:14] <MZMcBride>	I thought it did use UserRights.
[02:41:17] <amidaniel>	Random832: Why indeed :)
[02:41:29] <Random832>	MZMcBride: not on the test wiki - it has its own special page
[02:41:37] <amidaniel>	We changed it to use Userrights some time ago .. there was a problem with it though, forget what it was
[02:42:14] <amidaniel>	And I'm not sure the wgAddGroups, etc. stuff is all that stable right now
[02:42:27] <Random832>	I notice that it's not possible to be a reviewer and not an editor... does it choke on that situation? you can be a bureaucrat without being a sysop.
[02:42:43] <Random832>	well, no reason not to have both interfaces, just want to verify that userrights will _work_
[02:43:04] <amidaniel>	Theoretically, yes :)
[02:43:12] <Random832>	hmm speaking of which
[02:43:17] <Random832>	MZMcBride: you run a test wiki, right?
[02:43:41] <Random832>	what happens if you're a crat and not a sysop? do you get the sysop buttons or not?
[02:43:48] <Werdna>	no
[02:44:05] <amidaniel>	Random832: The groups are unrelated .. no reason you can't be a crat without being a sysop
[02:44:21] <MZMcBride>	+crat just allows UserRights access.
[02:44:39] <MZMcBride>	!defaultsettings
[02:44:39] --mwbot--	For the current version of DefaultSettings.php, see: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php?view=markup>.
[02:44:43] <Random832>	MZMcBride: well, on wm it's makesysop, makebot, and renameuser (anything else?)
[02:44:44] <MZMcBride>	Look in there.
[02:45:01] <MZMcBride>	Erm... for that, see http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/
[02:45:14] <Random832>	whoa, the confs are publicly available?
[02:45:18] <MZMcBride>	Look in InitialiseSettings.php and CommonSettings.php.
[02:45:26] <amidaniel>	Random832: Yeah, but quite out-dated
[02:45:27] <MZMcBride>	Yeah, but they were out of date for a long time.
[02:45:57] <Random832>	where are the wiki-specific stuff (like en having rollbacker) defined?
[02:46:01] <MZMcBride>	amidaniel: They were updated.
[02:46:08] <MZMcBride>	Random832: InitialiseSettings.
[02:46:24] <amidaniel>	MZMcBride: Oh? Nifty
[02:46:34] <MZMcBride>	I made a public conf file as well for this channel.
[02:46:36] <MZMcBride>	!conf
[02:46:36] --mwbot--	For an example LocalSettings.php, see <http://pruebita.com/conf/LocalSettings.php>.
[02:46:48] <Random832>	what's "newbie"?
[02:46:50] <MZMcBride>	'Cause Lord knows some of the users of this channel are ...
[02:46:56] <MZMcBride>	Just registered.
[02:47:05] <Random832>	that's weird
[02:47:17] <Random832>	shouldn't it be "user" and then "autoconfirmed" gets the other stuff?
[02:48:15] <Random832>	hmm
[02:48:43] <Random832>	wgAddGroups is set on testwiki but not for labs
[03:05:58] <borgx>	Hello.. about usurpation request.. how to find out if the requester has perform mergeaccount or not. just trying to avoid changing others username because of false request..
[03:15:19] <MZMcBride>	borgx: There's a list of unified accounts: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ca.php
[03:16:55] <borgx>	Ah.. thanks
[03:19:47] <Random832>	Is there going to be a better way to check that?
[03:19:50] <Random832>	maybe something in listusers?
[03:47:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10pathoschild)
[04:01:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG font scaling bug ("%" and "em" misconverted to "px") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13494  +comment (10lilewyn)
[04:03:59] <Random832>	are % and ems even meaningful in SVG?
[04:04:05] <Random832>	is there a base font size?
[04:08:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create user preference to always "ignore any warnings" when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13514 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User preferences; (brianna.laugher)
[04:09:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG font scaling bug ("%" and "em" misconverted to "px") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13494  (10FT2.wiki)
[04:12:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create user preference to always "ignore any warnings" when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13514  (10N/A)
[04:18:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) New parser function / magic word, for "pretty-printed" numbers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025  (10random832)
[04:19:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG text-decoration (including underlining) doesn't render - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13495  (10FT2.wiki)
[04:19:54] <Dantman>	bleh... now if I only knew how to cancel compilation of something currently being done
[04:29:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  +comment (10random832)
[05:40:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10e.wikipedia)
[05:41:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[06:15:27] <kc8tpz>	dumb question: how can I delete images I uploaded with the wrong name?
[06:29:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Localisations update for some extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13515 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: AdvancedRandom; (alexsh)
[06:30:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Localisations update for some extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13515  (10alexsh)
[07:03:01] <insanedesio>	I could use some help... i'm trying to upgrade a mediawiki installation (1.10.0 I believe) to 1.12.0 using the install script (no shell access, phpshell didn't work for me), and I'm getting the following error: http://rafb.net/p/uDXnR248.html ... trying to upgrade to 1.11.2 gave me the same error.
[07:03:34] <insanedesio>	i'd appreciate any help :)
[07:13:50] <TimStarling>	insanedesio: wait a minute
[07:20:03] <TimStarling>	insanedesio: can you show us the rest of the upgrade output? 
[07:20:30] <TimStarling>	you seem to only have a small part of it there
[07:28:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10cooties)
[07:53:44] <mondschein>	hi i have a question about regular expressions: if i know the exact position of a string thing i want to delete how do i do that°!?	text = re.sub(r'\^(?s)', '', text) the ^ is at the first position...now all ^ in the text get deleted
[07:54:26] <flyingparchment>	i think you want #python
[07:56:37] <Nikerabbit>	hi TimStarling
[07:56:41] <insanedesio>	here is the full output Tim: http://rafb.net/p/Ddnt6f81.html
[07:58:09] <TimStarling>	hi Nikerabbit
[07:59:10] <TimStarling>	insanedesio: and you say this is a perfectly functioning MW 1.10 wiki?
[07:59:21] <insanedesio>	as far as i can tell, yes
[07:59:44] <flyingparchment>	ipblocks table does not exist?  heh
[08:00:37] <TimStarling>	yeah, and the error is because recentchanges doesn't exist either
[08:00:56] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: I'm giving 10 minute presentation (in English) in the final that is on Friday
[08:00:58] <flyingparchment>	missing a prefix, perhaps
[08:01:06] <TimStarling>	yeah, could be
[08:01:23] <TimStarling>	could be a half-installed copy of mediawiki with a different prefix
[08:01:35] <TimStarling>	or some other piece of software with a revision table :)
[08:01:36] <insanedesio>	when i installed it originally, i specified no prefix whatsoever
[08:01:50] <insanedesio>	and the database has only been used by mw
[08:02:54] <mondschein>	i know but in thsi channel nobody answers me...and since it's a question because of an wm extension i thought i take a try here ;)
[08:04:12] <TimStarling>	insanedesio: have you got a DB administration tool of some kind, like phpmyadmin?
[08:04:18] <insanedesio>	yeah
[08:04:43] <TimStarling>	can you check if the tables we're talking about exist?
[08:04:57] <insanedesio>	yeah, give me a sec. recentchanges and ipblocks?
[08:05:04] <TimStarling>	yes, for a start
[08:05:52] <TimStarling>	mmm...
[08:05:52] <TimStarling>			$res = $this->query( "SELECT 1 FROM $table LIMIT 1" );
[08:06:19] <TimStarling>	it's possible the user you're using to upgrade doesn't have SELECT access on these tables
[08:06:28] <Nikerabbit>	mondschein: ^\^ ?
[08:09:11] <insanedesio>	impossible, the user running the script has all privileges on the DB
[08:09:40] <insanedesio>	ok, there is no recentchanges, and there is an ipblocks_old
[08:09:40] <TimStarling>	well, there's probably some error when those two queries are run
[08:09:51] <TimStarling>	and the error message is discarded, so it's a bit hard to work out what it is
[08:10:20] <TimStarling>	ok, but no ipblocks
[08:10:59] <insanedesio>	yeah
[08:11:04] <insanedesio>	yeah in that you are correct
[08:14:40] <TimStarling>	could you paste the whole table list into rafb.net?
[08:15:11] <mondschein>	nikerabbit: this was it thanks :)
[08:15:24] <insanedesio>	yeah, sec
[08:16:08] <insanedesio>	ignore the * Browse: http://rafb.net/p/XS9fJE67.html
[08:17:51] <TimStarling>	alright, well I don't know what happened to recentchanges, but let's recreate that
[08:18:03] <TimStarling>	but first, rename ipblocks_old to ipblocks
[08:18:56] <insanedesio>	done
[08:19:28] <insanedesio>	(it's empty btw)
[08:19:40] <TimStarling>	well, that just means you haven't blocked anyone I guess
[08:20:00] <TimStarling>	the definition for the recentchanges table in in maintenance/tables.sql
[08:20:29] <TimStarling>	line 811-887
[08:20:39] <TimStarling>	you should be able to run that query to recreate your table
[08:26:07] <insanedesio>	ok, done
[08:26:13] <insanedesio>	should i try to re-run the install upgrade script?
[08:26:39] <TimStarling>	yes
[08:27:35] <insanedesio>	OK, now it's failing because the image table doesn't exist. i take it i should repeat the process for that table?
[08:27:53] <TimStarling>	did you have any images?
[08:28:03] <insanedesio>	nope
[08:28:09] <TimStarling>	then yes
[08:28:27] <TimStarling>	creating an empty table should make it work
[08:29:12] <insanedesio>	http://rafb.net/p/aI1rm618.html
[08:30:11] <TimStarling>	...archive table does not exist, skipping new field patch
[08:30:23] <insanedesio>	same thing?
[08:30:25] <TimStarling>	yes
[08:31:30] <insanedesio>	Beautiful. install successful - now i'll just check out the wiki
[08:33:34] <insanedesio>	Seems to be working brilliantly... thanks for your help Tim!
[08:34:39] <TimStarling>	no problem
[08:34:43] <TimStarling>	make sure you make a backup now
[08:34:59] <TimStarling>	DB servers with randomly disappearing tables make me nervous :)
[08:35:53] <insanedesio>	yeah, that's downright odd
[08:36:13] <insanedesio>	i remember switching from 1.6.whatever to 1.10.0, maybe it happened then
[08:38:28] <insanedesio>	anyway, thanks again for your help. time to go study (midterm in 7.5 hrs!)...
[08:38:34] <_wooz>	lo
[08:42:43] <Werdna>	somebody's got their priorities straight
[08:52:01] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32459 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[08:52:01] <CIA-44>	* Add messages added in r32449 to messages.inc
[08:52:01] <CIA-44>	* rebuild MessagesEn.php
[09:04:16] <codeispoetry>	Is there a way to get a file's hash via interface or api?
[09:04:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10jhsoby)
[09:05:03] <domas>	TimStarling: is there a way to delay message loading for centralauth?
[09:11:33] <Splarka>	codeispoetry: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aiprop=sha1&ailimit=1&aifrom=Wiki.png
[09:12:18] <codeispoetry>	Splarka: Thank you. Will make nowcommons work easier
[09:12:53] <codeispoetry>	Hi PDD
[09:13:06] <Splarka>	nice
[09:13:26] <PDD>	hey codeispoetry!
[09:14:42] <Splarka>	codeispoetry, btw...
[09:14:50] <codeispoetry>	jep?
[09:15:18] <Splarka>	you can use JS to generate a <script> tag with a src to the api using format=json&callback=foobar, and it'll work across wikimedia domains
[09:15:24] <Werdna>	domas: is anyone here?
[09:15:27] <Werdna>	I need a developer
[09:15:30] <Splarka>	so you could build a simply verify script
[09:15:37] <domas>	I need a developer
[09:15:40] <domas>	is anyone here
[09:15:44] <Splarka>	that would check the sha1 of the image locally, and on commons
[09:16:03] <Splarka>	(in theory anyhow)
[09:16:09] <Werdna>	Splarka: that's pretty cool.
[09:16:33] <Splarka>	it was until brion realized you could hijack a login, and disabled all non-anon queries with callbacks
[09:16:48] <Werdna>	:(:(
[09:16:53] <Werdna>	how could you hijack a login?
[09:16:58] <flyingparchment>	credit for that goes to ezyang, not brion
[09:17:00] <codeispoetry>	Splarka: I'm using a rather big script for validating various thinks regarding the transfer. But I will take a look if it simplifies something. I'll need some AJAX
[09:17:22] <domas>	Tommie: you didn't answer my question :(
[09:17:39] <Werdna>	domas: also, when are you guys going to enable edit api
[09:17:41] <Splarka>	werd: <script> tag on random website calling for edit token on en.wp of any admin who happens to visit random website
[09:17:47] <ThomasV>	hello. is there a checksum test in order to prevent users from uploading the same file twice ?
[09:17:52] <codeispoetry>	Werdna: *vote*
[09:17:53] <Werdna>	Splarka: oh yeah
[09:17:55] <Werdna>	that's kinda bad
[09:17:59] <Splarka>	then make a call to protected page to get edittime and starttime
[09:17:59] <domas>	Werdna: I will not
[09:18:07] <Splarka>	construct form, have admin submit it, voila
[09:18:20] <codeispoetry>	ThomasV: There is a hash, but your functionality is not yet implemented
[09:18:34] <Splarka>	codeispoetry: ajax doesn't work across domains, that is why callback is elegant, <script> does
[09:18:46] <ThomasV>	afaik the hash is for the file name, not the content
[09:18:53] <codeispoetry>	Splarka: Ah yes, you got me. 
[09:19:01] <codeispoetry>	ThomasV: It's for the content.
[09:19:16] <Splarka>	the md5 is for the path, the sha1 is for the content, right?
[09:19:22] <Tommie>	Hiya, anyone got time to answer a question in regards of the "text"-table in mediawiki?
[09:20:00] <ThomasV>	Splarka: is the sha1 stored somewhere ?
[09:20:12] <codeispoetry>	ThomasV: We were just talking about that
[09:20:21] <ThomasV>	oh great :-)
[09:20:21] <Splarka>	seems to be, doubt the api would generate it on demand ^_^
[09:20:33] <Splarka>	ThomasV: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=allimages&aiprop=sha1&ailimit=1&aifrom=Wiki.png
[09:20:45] <Splarka>	there are probably better ways to get it (or should be)
[09:21:14] <Tommie>	Would one be able to, um, recreate it's mediawiki using the text-table if the page-table is busted?
[09:21:27] <ThomasV>	is there already a bug requesting the feature I described ? I mean, prevent dupes ?
[09:21:38] <codeispoetry>	ThomasV: yes
[09:21:53] <codeispoetry>	11984 and 13434
[09:22:01] <ThomasV>	codeispoetry: thanks
[09:22:52] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: not easily
[09:23:12] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: you would have to manually assign each text blob to a revision and page.
[09:23:23] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Bug in the search of wikipedia accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13501  +comment (10deep_silence_fr)
[09:23:24] <Duesentrieb>	(and user who created it)
[09:24:00] <Tommie>	duesentrieb, was afraid of that. Thing is, we was backing up our database using export-scripts, and it seems as if it skipped our innodb-table, and naturally the server died and we need to recreate data
[09:24:08] <piksi>	people, how can i create [] links in the wiki to locations behind file://///blah.blah.fi/blah/blah -urls?
[09:24:41] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: it skipped innodb? uh... who wrote that script anyway?
[09:25:07] <Tommie>	dues: phpmyadmin
[09:25:14] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[09:25:38] <Tommie>	dues: yep, its sick and i'm rather pissed about it. But focusing on damage-control atm :/
[09:25:42] <Duesentrieb>	that generally doesn't skip anything. and it's an exceptionally bad option for backup.
[09:25:49] <Duesentrieb>	and... where does "wscript" come into it?
[09:26:24] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: anyway - the text table is innodb too, no?
[09:26:41] <Tommie>	dues: we were using the export-function in phpmyadmin to back up the tables, maybe not the best solution - but always worked for all our other projects
[09:26:46] <Tommie>	dues: nopes, its not here
[09:26:55] <Duesentrieb>	that's quite odd. because it should be.
[09:27:05] <flyingparchment>	that's what i said last time he was here ;)
[09:27:06] <Duesentrieb>	what version of mediawiki are you using?
[09:27:17] <Duesentrieb>	flyingparchment: hehe
[09:27:38] <Tommie>	deu: sec
[09:27:48] <Tommie>	flying: :)
[09:28:16] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: anyway - if *all* you have is the page table, then all you have is a number of text blobs. no more, no less.
[09:28:32] <Duesentrieb>	the ids can give you some hint as to order of creation, but that's it
[09:28:39] <Duesentrieb>	you'll have to restore everything else manually.
[09:28:50] <Tommie>	dues: MediaWiki: 1.11.2
[09:28:54] <Duesentrieb>	(i suggest to let whoever was in charge of backup do that)
[09:29:40] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: pretty recent - so what was the version when it was installed? because 1.11 would have created the text table as innodb too.
[09:29:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  (10thomasV1)
[09:29:51] <Splarka>	piksi: $wgUrlProtocols
[09:30:11] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: anyway - is the text table the *only* table you have? and if it's not innodb, are you quite sure it's the current wiki's text table, ant not something else or old?
[09:30:15] <Tommie>	dues: it's a pretty small wiki (171 articles), so it's fine - i'm just curious if anyone knew of a prewritten script doing something similar. Basically taking the latest reversion of the text-table and re-insert it into the page-table using a "backup-user"
[09:30:44] <Tommie>	dues: it's definitely the wiki-table, it contains most of our old articles including reversions
[09:30:47] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: you are missing the intermediate revision table in that.
[09:30:53] <piksi>	Splarka: thanks
[09:30:56] <Duesentrieb>	page -> revision -> text
[09:31:12] <Tommie>	crap, had my hopes up for a second here
[09:32:07] <Duesentrieb>	Tommie: and the "latest revision" of what? as i said, all you have is a big collection of a view thousand thext chunks. no association whatsoever.
[09:32:34] <Tommie>	DESC old_timestamp seems to give me the lastest version of the page?
[09:32:56] <Tommie>	and old_title defines which page it was
[09:32:57] <Duesentrieb>	old_timestamp has been out of use for quite a while
[09:33:04] <Duesentrieb>	old_title too
[09:33:13] <Duesentrieb>	since 1.6 or something
[09:33:15] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32460 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:33:15] <CIA-44>	* fix some inconsistency and style issues (email->e-mail, don't -> do not, ...)
[09:33:15] <CIA-44>	* add some newlines after sentence endings
[09:33:15] <CIA-44>	* update comments
[09:33:15] <CIA-44>	Note to translators: no changes that require translation updates (although consistency checks in general are not a bad thing).
[09:33:16] <Duesentrieb>	these fields should be empty.
[09:33:45] <Duesentrieb>	currently used fields are old_id, old_text and old_flags. that's it.
[09:33:52] <Tommie>	maybe i'm just lucky, since most does actually contain data here
[09:34:19] <Duesentrieb>	that will be revision created when you where running some very old version of mediawiki
[09:34:23] <Duesentrieb>	so, probably some time ago
[09:34:33] <Duesentrieb>	look at the timestamps, they are human readabl dates
[09:34:37] <Duesentrieb>	(just no separators)
[09:35:02] <Duesentrieb>	the first six digits give you year and month.
[09:35:23] <Tommie>	dues: yeh, 20060503095350 ... but the crash was actually back from last summer, never got around to look at it until now.
[09:35:55] <Duesentrieb>	well, that timestamp is nearly two years old now...
[09:36:23] <Duesentrieb>	uh.... last summer, 1.11.2 did no exist
[09:36:28] <Tommie>	dues: yep, but it's either that or nothing :)
[09:36:35] <Duesentrieb>	so... what version of mediawiki were you *actually* using?
[09:37:15] <Tommie>	dues: i actually recall something about 1.6
[09:39:19] <Tommie>	dues: would, "$wgSoftwareRevision = 1002;" help ?
[09:41:11] <Tommie>	dues: HISTORY-files says, "== Version 1.3.11, 2005-02-20 =="
[09:42:35] <Tommie>	the wiki itself was badly maintained as it was an internal one and it's not that big of a deal if we can't get it running again, i'm just trying to salvage what i can. And it seems like pulling out the most recent (yes, even from 2006) data out of the text-table is the only way to go for me atm
[09:42:50] <Duesentrieb>	1.3.11 ?! uh....
[09:42:55] <Duesentrieb>	that doesn't even *have* a text table.
[09:43:51] <Tommie>	dues: i installed it, did one upgrade, left it alone for about 2 years, upgraded to somewhat recent, let it run for another 6 months and the hd crashed
[09:45:10] <Duesentrieb>	if the last upgrade was at the beginning of 2007, it wasn't to 1.11. anyway, i can't help you further. try to extract what you can from the table yoiu have. i would suggest to create an xml dump from it, that is less tricky tahn fiddeling the data into the new db structure
[09:45:29] <Duesentrieb>	and when you have a wiki up and running, use a real backup script
[09:45:31] <Duesentrieb>	!backup
[09:45:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[09:45:42] <tommienu>	But if there isn't a predefined way to extract stuff out of the text-tables, i'm probably just wasting your time atm :)
[09:45:50] <tommienu>	aye, willdo mate, thanks for your assistance
[09:45:52] <Duesentrieb>	that page links a script i wrote for myself at the bottom. worked well for me so far. no guarantees though
[10:02:56] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32461 10/trunk/extensions/ (23 files in 23 dirs): 
[10:02:56] <CIA-44>	* fix some inconsistency and style issues
[10:02:56] <CIA-44>	Note to translators: no changes that require translation updates
[10:30:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:36:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Intefrace support for marking bot edits as "bot edit" by default - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:36:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:38:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Intefrace support to mark bot edits in histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13516  summary (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:38:41] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Malayalam language characters don't work well with mediawiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11162  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:38:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mark bot edits in histories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11181  (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[10:42:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10Ahonc.ua)
[10:47:08] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32462 10/trunk/extensions/ (25 files in 24 dirs): 
[10:47:08] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates Chinese
[10:47:08] <CIA-44>	* (Bug 13515) Patch by Alex S.H. Lin
[11:02:02] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32463 10/trunk/extensions/Icon/ (Icon.i18n.php Icon.php): 
[11:02:02] <CIA-44>	* Add 'descriptionmsg' to extension credits. 'icon-desc' was defined already in i18n but not in the extension credits itself
[11:02:02] <CIA-44>	* Use user preference language for error messages instead of content language
[11:02:02] <CIA-44>	* Fix indention, kill whitespaces
[11:02:04] <CIA-44>	* (Bug 13515) Localisation updates Chinese Patch by Alex S.H. Lin
[11:03:34] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Localisations update for some extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13515   +patch; +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[11:21:55] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32464 10/trunk/extensions/ (28 files in 28 dirs): 
[11:21:55] <CIA-44>	* fix some inconsistency and style issues
[11:21:55] <CIA-44>	Note to translators: no changes that require translation updates
[11:30:54] <lusum>	hi
[11:34:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:MergeAccount does not identify all accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12096  +comment (10dungodung)
[11:39:15] <lusum>	i would like to know if it is possible to cancel an username?
[11:43:10] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32465 10/trunk/extensions/ (13 files in 13 dirs): 
[11:43:11] <CIA-44>	* some consistency and style updates
[11:43:11] <CIA-44>	Note to translators: no changes that require translation updates
[11:46:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) internal link selection resizes table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13497  (10opensourcejunkie)
[12:12:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Exception when trying to get info for anonymous user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13517 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton)
[12:22:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API performance issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13511  (10roan.kattouw)
[12:24:16] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Exception when trying to get info for anonymous user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13517  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:24:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API generates an internal error when filtering image links by namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13460  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[12:24:29] <Warpath>	henrik's tool is getting recognition, cool ;)
[12:43:23] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457  +comment (10wiki)
[12:44:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Reorganize Special:Specialpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10457  (10wiki)
[12:54:01] <RoanKattouw>	AaronSchulz: You there?
[13:01:10] <keck0f>	hi.
[13:02:05] <keck0f>	i'd like mediawiki to use mysql without innodb. Is this a mysql-configuration or a wiki-configuration matter?
[13:02:16] <henrik>	Warpath: cool, where?
[13:02:33] <Simetrical>	keck0f, yes, it's possible, although not usually recommended.
[13:02:44] <Warpath>	;D
[13:03:22] <Simetrical>	keck0f, you can use $wgTableOptions.  However, the MediaWiki schema is optimized in a variety of ways for InnoDB, and switching to MyISAM probably won't improve performance if you have adequate buffers allotted to InnoDB.
[13:05:06] <Warpath>	henrik, stats.grok.se ;)
[13:05:12] <Warpath>	http://www.reuters.com/article/blogBurst/technology?type=technologyNews&w1=B7ovpm21IaDoL40ZFnNfGe&w2=B8jR2GIu7TLKBj1N4Ufg5Sg&src=blogBurst_technologyNews&bbPostId=BCOjpwZLoF8pCz49DhwVn45puBEtbrQ89vdfTBBgZbbPKMgUq&bbParentWidgetId=B8jR2GIu7TLKBj1N4Ufg5Sg
[13:05:41] <Piero>	hi everybody, I am fixing the Social Profile Extension at the moment, I fixed most of it at this stage, but I miss some sql tables. some queries are made on the tables Comments, Comments_Vote, Comments_block, Vote, user_mailing_list, user_relationship_stats, user_points_weekly, user_points_monthly
[13:05:56] <Piero>	and they're not in the extension
[13:06:06] <Piero>	does somebody has them by chance?
[13:06:14] <Piero>	I already mailed the guys from Wikia
[13:06:23] <Piero>	but I dont know if they will answer
[13:07:04] <henrik>	Warpath: oh, nice.
[13:07:29] <Warpath>	kewl tool dude :)
[13:08:45] <henrik>	I just put a frontend on the data, domas is the one who did the hard work of collecting it.
[13:09:09] <domas>	yup
[13:09:12] <domas>	some day, in next 10 years
[13:09:16] <domas>	I'll make a better interface than Henrik's
[13:09:39] <domas>	henrik: you can add a link to raw data on your page, maybe? :)
[13:09:44] <henrik>	you're very welcome to it :)
[13:09:53] <domas>	that way people won't be limited to your interface, if they want to do more research
[13:10:17] <henrik>	domas: of course. You're mentioned in the about page and it has a link to the raw data, but maybe that is a bit too obscure.
[13:10:32] <henrik>	(http://stats.grok.se/about)
[13:10:34] <domas>	henrik: I don't need my name
[13:10:48] <domas>	I need pointers to raw data
[13:10:58] <domas>	well, my name can live there
[13:10:59] <domas>	of course ;-D
[13:11:37] <Piero>	is your code open henrik?
[13:11:46] <Piero>	i'd like to have a look at it
[13:12:01] <henrik>	Piero: in theory yes, but it's a godawful mess I'd be ashamed to show to anyone :)
[13:12:30] <Piero>	bah, im fixing the social profile extension at the moment, and im telling you its a fuckin disgrace
[13:12:33] <AaronSchulz>	RoanKattouw: got to go
[13:12:38] <RoanKattouw>	Meh
[13:12:52] <RoanKattouw>	I killed a filesort in list=usercontribs
[13:13:06] <Piero>	anyway if you want to share you're welcome to send it to me (I wont judge promise xD)
[13:13:07] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, filesort of how many rows?  :)
[13:13:18] <RoanKattouw>	Too many
[13:13:29] <RoanKattouw>	I'm limiting rows as well in ucuserprefix on Aaron's request
[13:14:05] <RoanKattouw>	Instead of ORDER BY rev_timestamp DESC, I needed ORDER BY rev_user_text DESC, rev_timestamp DESC because (rev_user_text,rev_timestamp) are indexed together
[13:14:18] <henrik>	Piero: I'd be happy to - but give me a few days to clean it up just a little bit. Do you have an email or some other preferred method of contact?
[13:15:04] <Piero>	wait im not registered i cant give you my email like that! i'll register here and then give it to you in private chat room! ^^
[13:16:21] <Duesentrieb>	or henrik could enable unfiltered PM
[13:16:32] <Piero>	yes plz
[13:16:32] <Duesentrieb>	i have it on for years now. never got spam.
[13:16:34] <Piero>	:p
[13:16:46] <henrik>	hm. Just how do I do that?
[13:16:52] <phrearch>	hi
[13:16:57] <Duesentrieb>	henrik: /msg NickServ set untiltered on
[13:17:06] <Piero>	im trying to register but it doesnt work
[13:17:10] <phrearch>	i want to loose the | in the personal tools menu
[13:17:16] <phrearch>	is it a css thing?
[13:17:22] <henrik>	Duesentrieb: thanks
[13:17:33] <Duesentrieb>	phrearch: what | ?
[13:18:06] <phrearch>	well, article | discussion | etc.
[13:18:27] <Duesentrieb>	that's not personal tools, that's page tools.
[13:18:36] <phrearch>	ah yes
[13:18:44] <Duesentrieb>	and still - i see no |
[13:18:46] <Duesentrieb>	what skin?
[13:18:46] <phrearch>	found it :)
[13:18:52] <phrearch>	modified paul gu's
[13:18:58] <Duesentrieb>	o_O
[13:19:00] <Duesentrieb>	whatever :P
[13:24:30] <Janice>	Hi
[13:25:38] <Piero>	i'll ask again, I am fixing the Social Profile Extension at the moment, I fixed most of it at this stage, but I miss some sql tables. some queries are made on the tables Comments, Comments_Vote, Comments_block, Vote, user_mailing_list, user_relationship_stats, user_points_weekly, user_points_monthly
[13:25:38] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Got a question for you: I'm gonna limit the amount of rows certain API queries (in particular rev_user_text LIKE 'abc%') can scan (run an EXPLAIN and see if the row estimate is higher than the limit). What would be a good limit? 5k rows? 10k? 100k?
[13:25:54] <Piero>	and the tables arent in the extension, does someone has them?
[13:26:22] <domas>	RoanKattouw: 5k ? :)
[13:26:36] <domas>	RoanKattouw: just don't limit it if index-order read is done, and LIMIT applied
[13:26:50] <RoanKattouw>	domas: I know, I'm only limiting one query ATM
[13:26:58] <RoanKattouw>	rev_user_text LIKE 'foo%'
[13:27:02] <Duesentrieb>	Piero: it sounds very much like they are specific to wikia, or to that extension. i don't think people here know about that. have you tried #wikia?
[13:27:04] <RoanKattouw>	Which doesn't filesort (any more)
[13:27:13] <Janice>	I want my wiki to be edited only by me, so how do I supress all the [edit] tags for those not logged in (me being the only one who can log in)?
[13:27:17] <Piero>	yes im on it
[13:27:31] <RoanKattouw>	Janice: $wgGroupPermissions['*']['edit'] = false; in LocalSettings.php
[13:27:37] <Piero>	but they dont have them either :(
[13:27:37] <Duesentrieb>	Janice: why are you using a wiki software if you don't want a wiki?
[13:27:46] <Piero>	i emailed the authors of the extension but no answer
[13:27:55] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: not much good if anyone can register :)
[13:28:01] <Janice>	Duesentrieb - Do you recommend something else?
[13:28:01] <Duesentrieb>	!access | Janice
[13:28:01] --mwbot--	Janice: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[13:28:05] <Duesentrieb>	!cms | Janice
[13:28:05] --mwbot--	Janice: You are advised to install an appropriate content management package if you want per-page access control and similar restrictions. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Page_specific_user_rights_extensions> if you really want too. 
[13:28:17] <Duesentrieb>	Janice: use some personal CMS, there are lots
[13:29:04] <Duesentrieb>	Janice: here's a very nice site that lets you try dozents of free web apps you can use: http://www.opensourcecms.com/
[13:29:42] <RoanKattouw>	domas: http://rafb.net/p/XPyU7f70.html
[13:30:03] <Janice>	OK
[13:30:09] <Janice>	I just found Wiki to look easy
[13:30:16] <Janice>	But I'll try other CMS's
[13:30:34] <Duesentrieb>	it's easy enough... unless you try to tell it not to be a wiki.
[13:30:43] <Duesentrieb>	mediawiki is desigend for massive collaborative editing
[13:30:52] <Duesentrieb>	it can be made into something else. but that is no longer nice & easy.
[13:31:12] <Janice>	lol
[13:31:20] <Janice>	What CMS do you recommend Duesentrieb?
[13:31:33] <Duesentrieb>	havn't used any
[13:31:36] <vi390>	on the english wikipedia, there are several EDIT BUTTONS (when in editing mode) (more than the 11  in the standard edition) how can I enable this extra Buttons 
[13:31:45] <Duesentrieb>	i either write my own or hack mediawiki until it does what i want
[13:31:56] <Duesentrieb>	vi390: read the faq
[13:32:30] <Duesentrieb>	Janice: drupal and joomla are popular, apparently. 
[13:33:00] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Would I need to limit scanned rows in this one? http://rafb.net/p/XPyU7f70.html
[13:33:36] <vi390>	Duesentrieb: thanks
[13:33:42] <Janice>	OK
[13:35:04] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, no.  EXPLAIN ignores LIMIT.  In this case, since there's no filesort or temporary table and it's using an index, it will only scan as many rows as necessary to satisfy the LIMIT and WHERE clauses.
[13:35:35] <domas>	^^
[13:35:37] <Simetrical>	Which in this case is an acceptably small number of rows, since it can use the first part of the index to satisfy the rev_user_text condition and rev_deleted doesn't require skipping too many rows.
[13:35:50] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I wasn't talking about LIMIT, but about bug 13511
[13:35:50] <domas>	depends
[13:35:51] <Simetrical>	(rev_deleted=1 would be scarier.)
[13:35:55] <domas>	if you have rev_deleted=1
[13:35:55] <domas>	hehe
[13:36:03] <Janice>	Duesentrieb - where is the group permissions array in the latest wiki, or do I have to add them myself to LocalSettings?
[13:36:05] <domas>	see, Simetrical gets more and more performance educated
[13:36:06] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: How about rev_user_text LIKE 'A%'
[13:36:18] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, it doesn't matter, you're still retrieving by using the index.
[13:36:22] <Simetrical>	As long as it's a prefix.
[13:36:27] <RoanKattouw>	It is
[13:36:38] <RoanKattouw>	Oh hey right apprefix isn't limited either
[13:36:45] <Simetrical>	Er, what?
[13:36:49] <Simetrical>	Suffixes are bad.
[13:36:51] <Simetrical>	That's a table scan.
[13:36:52] <RoanKattouw>	list=allpages
[13:36:57] <Simetrical>	LIKE '%x' = death.
[13:37:04] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Prefixindex in the API
[13:37:07] <RoanKattouw>	That I knew
[13:37:10] <Simetrical>	Right.
[13:37:22] <domas>	Prefixindex is my feature
[13:37:27] <domas>	my only real feature! :)
[13:37:33] <Simetrical>	domas, you wrote that code?
[13:37:35] <domas>	I copypasted some other special page, then changed a query
[13:37:39] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, I wrote support for limiting things by scanned rows in ApiBase. Won't hurt, but we don't actually need it anywhere (yet?)
[13:37:41] <domas>	so, both yes and no. :)))
[13:38:07] <Simetrical>	RoanKattouw, I suggest you read the section of the MySQL manual about performance a bunch of times.  And then run lots of queries with EXPLAIN in a trial-and-error sort of way.  That's what I did.  :)
[13:38:32] <Simetrical>	Limiting by scanned rows is a problem if you have a LIMIT clause, because EXPLAIN is too stupid to understand those and sometimes it scans all the rows it says and sometimes not.
[13:38:35] <RoanKattouw>	I EXPLAINed it, and the filesort went away (I needed to ORDER BY both parts of the key)
[13:39:08] <RoanKattouw>	Simetrical: I know, but it's an indication. The idea is I have ApiBase EXPLAIN the query and see if the number of rows is higher than the limit
[13:39:19] <RoanKattouw>	For inefficient queries only of course
[13:39:27] <RoanKattouw>	Not actually needed anywhere yert
[13:39:51] <Simetrical>	But the number of rows can be a lie, is the problem.  It will usually never be too *low*, though, only too *high*, so you're being overly cautious at worst.
[13:40:26] <RoanKattouw>	Good
[13:40:51] <RoanKattouw>	It's called Database::estimateRowCount() for a reason, I guess
[13:40:57] <Simetrical>	Hmm, maybe it's smart enough to account for limits?
[13:40:58] *Simetrical 	looks
[13:41:05] <RoanKattouw>	No
[13:41:31] <Simetrical>	No, it's not.
[13:41:44] <Simetrical>	It's really meant for queries without LIMIT clauses, like EXPLAIN SELECT COUNT(*) FROM page;
[13:42:02] <Simetrical>	If you add a LIMIT clause it will probably be too high.
[13:43:24] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32466 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[13:43:24] <CIA-44>	API performance enhancements (bug 13511):
[13:43:24] <CIA-44>	* Replaced $wgAPIUCUserPrefixMinLength with the more generic $wgAPIMaxDBRows
[13:43:24] <CIA-44>	* Added ApiBase::checkRowCount() which checks whether the amount of rows to be scanned is acceptable (i.e. <$wgAPIMaxDBRows). Not using this anywhere (yet?), but it's nice to have
[13:43:26] <CIA-44>	* Killed a filesort in the usercontribs query, query is now indexed nicely
[13:43:28] <CIA-44>	* Dropped the minimum length for ucuserprefix since it's no longer needed (query optimized)
[13:43:30] <CIA-44>	* Removed drnamespace from list=deletedrevs (filesorts 8M rows for drnamespace=0)
[13:44:25] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[13:45:42] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API performance issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13511  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[13:52:13] <Sasa^Stefanovic>	off
[14:01:40] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32467 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiFormatBase.php: API: Don't output error messages caused by display_errors=On when using a non-fm format
[14:02:44] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) php errors are gone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13508  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:04:03] <RoanKattouw>	AaronSchulz: Gotta go now. See my comment at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13511
[14:08:58] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32468 10/trunk/extensions/ (36 files in 36 dirs): 
[14:08:58] <CIA-44>	* some consistency and style updates
[14:08:58] <CIA-44>	Note to translators: no changes that require translation updates
[14:15:57] <Janice>	How to you remove the "discussion" tab from all pages?
[14:16:44] <cal>	Janice: CSS
[14:16:53] <cal>	you have to modify the CSS source
[14:17:17] <Janice>	in monobook's main.css?
[14:17:48] <cal>	yes
[14:17:55] <cal>	(assuming you use MonoBook)
[14:17:58] <Janice>	Yes
[14:18:08] <Janice>	Is there a document that details what to edit for tabs?
[14:18:16] <cal>	I don't know
[14:23:46] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Exception when trying to get info for anonymous user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13517  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[14:24:27] <Simetrical>	That doesn't disable discussion pages, it just hides the tab.
[14:24:42] <cal>	yep
[14:24:50] <Simetrical>	Janice, if you want to get rid of talk pages, you're probably not using the software in the intended fashion.
[14:24:59] <Simetrical>	You may want to use CMS software instead, I'm guessing.
[14:25:18] <Simetrical>	MediaWiki is meant for open, collaborative editing.  If you're using it for something else, you're going to need to adjust it a lot.
[14:27:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271  (10aleonard1)
[14:29:03] <Shepa>	Hello! somebody can help me with small problem? (Sorry for my bad english - I'm from Russia)...
[14:29:27] <cal>	Shepa: sure
[14:30:12] <tigerpfote>	hi
[14:31:56] <Shepa>	I work with MediaWiki 1.11.1. We try do russia version GuildWars Wiki. And one Template not work correct. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Template:Skill_progression - this original page, http://wiki.gwcam.ru/index.php/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:Skill_progression - This our page. What we do wrong?  
[14:33:17] <cal>	Shepa: a problem with the HTML
[14:33:26] <cal>	#HTML can help you with that ;)
[14:34:02] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32469 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: Document preprocessorClass key of $wgParserConf.
[14:34:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  +comment (10dovijacobs)
[14:34:20] <Shepa>	Ok try... Thanks you.
[14:35:21] <neurotope>	What is the proper way to set up several "sections" of a mediawiki, where they only natively link within the section? 
[14:35:54] <cal>	neurotope: the only thing I can think of is setting up seperate servers
[14:36:20] <neurotope>	is there a good way to give them a central log in point?
[14:36:23] <Janice>	I would like to move the login/create account from the top right to the navigation. How do I do this?
[14:36:44] <neurotope>	Janice: alter the CSS... 
[14:36:58] <Janice>	There are tonnes of p-personal in there
[14:37:05] <Janice>	any specific p-personal?
[14:37:08] <Janice>	or all of them?
[14:37:36] <neurotope>	I dont know off the top of my head, let me get you the site of someone who has dramaticaly changed the interface, maybe compairison will help
[14:37:54] <Janice>	OK
[14:38:00] <carl-m>	how do I make my local wiki return the 'database locked' message? 
[14:38:06] <carl-m>	I thought there was a maintenance script to do it
[14:38:13] <faceface>	hello MinuteElectron ... you are needed in #semantic-mediawiki ! (the first question ever?)
[14:38:14] <domas>	$wgReadonly='blah';
[14:38:17] <carl-m>	thank
[14:38:17] <domas>	carl-m: ^^
[14:38:37] <neurotope>	janice: http://paulgu.com/wiki/Home   <- that is a "standard" install of mediawiki
[14:38:58] <neurotope>	he is realy amazing
[14:39:42] <Janice>	Looks slick
[14:40:08] <Janice>	neurotope - is there a better program to use when viewing php and css? I'm using notepad and I have difficulty looking at code
[14:40:52] <neurotope>	notepad++ is my first choice as a swiss army knife, but there are better things out there http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
[14:40:53] <cal>	wait
[14:41:00] <cal>	are you on windows?
[14:41:04] <Janice>	Yes
[14:41:11] <Janice>	Mac/Windows
[14:41:14] <cal>	notepad++
[14:41:19] <neurotope>	yeah!
[14:41:27] *cal 	uses that
[14:41:55] <Janice>	Looks nice
[14:41:58] <Janice>	I'll try it!
[14:42:04] <neurotope>	there are some slick IDEs you can use for web based tech, but most of them cost more than free
[14:42:19] <faceface>	also, anyone using or thinking about using Semantic-MediaWiki ... please feel free to join #semantic-mediawiki !!!
[14:42:42] <neurotope>	so, centralized login for multipul installs of mediawiki?  is there a standard way to do this?
[14:43:00] <cal>	neurotope: probably not
[14:43:02] <faceface>	neurotope: let me know if you find out
[14:43:08] <cal>	unless you plan to do a lot of PHP
[14:43:10] <neurotope>	doh :-(
[14:43:10] <faceface>	I was thinking, just merge the databases
[14:43:23] <faceface>	neurotope: surly people have done this before
[14:43:29] <neurotope>	god i hope so
[14:43:34] <faceface>	check the extensions... because people use things like ldap for example
[14:43:48] <neurotope>	I want to get mediawiki + phpbb3 + some blog all using the same log in
[14:44:02] <faceface>	neurotope: yeah... its an sql thing...
[14:44:43] <neurotope>	damnit, i hate fubleing around in sql, if i was a good programmer this wouldnt be an issue
[14:45:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG image should have link to PNG version - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6834  +comment (10alexander_berlin)
[14:45:15] <Simetrical>	neurotope, actually, the CentralAuth extension is currently being deployed on Wikimedia to unify login.
[14:45:21] <Simetrical>	Not sure how useful it would be to third parties.
[14:45:21] <simonrvn>	centralauth, ldapauthentification, and one other i think
[14:45:37] <neurotope>	hmm, thankyou, I will look at those extentions
[14:46:27] <neurotope>	now to go find a way to merge phpbb's login into the mess, and find blogging software that will look nice with the other 2
[14:47:19] <neurotope>	being a stay-at-home dad with 6 month old twins had been interesting... but setting up a site to document it is turning out to be harder
[14:47:57] <MinuteElectron>	You can tie the user databases of several MediaWiki installations together quite easily.
[14:48:16] <neurotope>	just the user databases right?
[14:48:29] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:48:30] <neurotope>	I dont want to have all the pages duplicate by acident
[14:48:33] <MinuteElectron>	no
[14:48:38] <MinuteElectron>	just the user database
[14:48:51] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) <math> does not work (wrong shell escaping under Windows) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13518 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (ralf.lederle)
[14:49:16] <MinuteElectron>	neurotope: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSharedDB
[14:49:17] <neurotope>	by quite easily do you mean copy this file into a certian directory... or learn php and sql, and do compu-magic
[14:49:30] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[14:49:34] <MinuteElectron>	just set one configuration variable
[14:49:39] <neurotope>	oh good, thankyou
[14:50:03] <neurotope>	That will probably prove to be incredibly useful
[14:50:27] <MinuteElectron>	CentralAuth is only really needed if you originally started out with seperate user databases and need to merge them, but if you're starting from scratch that configuration variable will help.
[14:51:02] <neurotope>	::happy dance::  ok, good now I just need to get everything else to play nice!
[14:51:45] <MinuteElectron>	i believe there is an extension for running phpbb3 on the same user database as mediawiki
[14:51:52] <MinuteElectron>	or mediawiki on the same user database as phjpbb
[14:52:14] <MinuteElectron>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration
[14:52:25] <MinuteElectron>	neurotope: scratch that configuration variable
[14:52:28] <MinuteElectron>	use that link there
[14:52:44] <MinuteElectron>	shuldn't be too hard to set up, you just have to do it on all your wikis once
[14:53:17] <neurotope>	MinuteElectron: what do you do that you are so familar with this?
[14:53:28] <MinuteElectron>	sit here all day
[14:54:23] <MinuteElectron>	the majority of my free time is spent either coding mediawiki stuff, support work for mediawiki, working on my personal wikis (powered by mediawiki) or something else to do with mediawiki.
[14:54:33] <MinuteElectron>	so i've picked up a lot
[14:55:22] <neurotope>	what do you think the likelyhood of mediawiki moving towards a normalized html flow with mostly span and div elements to make the wiki 100% css driven?
[14:55:35] <MinuteElectron>	0
[14:55:39] <MinuteElectron>	it's not going to happen
[14:55:47] <flyingparchment>	neurotope: what is not span and div that should be?
[14:55:47] <neurotope>	well darn
[14:56:23] <MinuteElectron>	yeah, that's a good poin
[14:56:25] <MinuteElectron>	t
[14:56:39] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, did you know that Aaron Swartz is the developer of FlaggedRevs?  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-03-24/Single_User_Login&oldid=201042584
[14:57:01] <Simetrical>	(He's not, is he?  That's a mistake?)
[14:57:20] <flyingparchment>	aaronsw is not even a mediawiki developer
[14:57:25] <Simetrical>	I thought not.
[14:57:27] <neurotope>	look at the page code, there are lots of things that use non-classed html tags,  Its not impossible to alter the pages with css now, just a decent uphill battle
[14:57:35] <flyingparchment>	neurotope: like which?
[14:57:59] <MinuteElectron>	neurotope: The skin system is going to be ripped out at some point and replaced with something that actually works.
[14:58:06] <flyingparchment>	it is?
[14:58:19] <MinuteElectron>	"at some point"
[14:58:38] <simonrvn>	i just started adding classes and ids to my monobook-derived skin
[14:59:07] <MinuteElectron>	flyingparchment: i.e. when someone gets round to doing it because it needs doing, the current system's a mess and brion says that we can't add hooks to it until a clean way is found which is dependant on it being ripped out and replace with something that acutally works.
[14:59:32] <MinuteElectron>	because there is no way to do it with the current system
[15:00:10] <neurotope>	actualy on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki, I cant find anything that isnt nitpicking... your correct... the curent skinning system is what lead me to think that
[15:00:32] <MinuteElectron>	neurotope: What blogging engine do you use?
[15:00:38] <neurotope>	i havent chosen yet
[15:00:47] <MinuteElectron>	oh ok
[15:01:05] <neurotope>	I just need to it allow me to put subjects in my posts, have basic search, and thats about it
[15:01:23] <neurotope>	oh, inline, and justified images
[15:01:41] <neurotope>	if it has rss feed, that would be a huge bonus
[15:02:14] <neurotope>	I am currently using tikiwiki... and that is just one big halfdeveloped mess
[15:02:22] <Duesentrieb>	neurotope: http://www.opensourcecms.com/
[15:02:46] <Duesentrieb>	16 bloggoing engines to try :)
[15:02:54] *domas 	suggests wordpress
[15:03:38] *Duesentrieb 	is using soup.io for daily quickies and mediawiki for rants
[15:04:02] <domas>	as mediawiki for wikis, wordpress for blogs.
[15:04:41] <Duesentrieb>	that's what i tell other people. for myself, i abuse mw.
[15:05:14] <domas>	and if wordpress folks run mediawiki for their site..
[15:05:21] <domas>	well, for developer site
[15:05:26] <domas>	then I can run wordpress for mine! :)
[15:08:48] <MinuteElectron>	neurotope: You'll probably have a hard time getting a blogging system to integrate with phpbb though.
[15:09:36] <neurotope>	thats what I am looking at right now, If i have to, I can leave that seperate... but I would like to make it one stop shopping :-)
[15:10:27] <Duesentrieb>	well, the News extension lets you turn mediawiki into a make-shift blog. Hm.... a "wog"?
[15:10:40] <MinuteElectron>	except it's broken on 1.12, no?
[15:10:42] <Shepa>	I work with MediaWiki 1.11.1. We try do russia version GuildWars Wiki. And one Template not work correct. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Template:Skill_progression - this original page, http://wiki.gwcam.ru/index.php/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:Skill_progression - This our page. What we do wrong? Plz post solution on with link what to do... Im not very good know wiki... THX.
[15:11:41] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: That looks pretty awesome.
[15:11:41] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32470 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesNl.php MessagesNo.php MessagesPl.php MessagesSi.php): 
[15:11:42] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[15:11:42] <CIA-44>	* special page aliases updated
[15:11:43] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: oh yea right
[15:12:07] <MinuteElectron>	I wonder why it's broken.
[15:12:08] <Duesentrieb>	gotta fix that soonish
[15:12:17] <djude>	hi @ all. is it possible to enforce userlogin in mediawiki?
[15:12:28] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: i know exactly why. new PP.
[15:12:33] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[15:12:35] <MinuteElectron>	that sucks
[15:12:43] <MinuteElectron>	shouldn't be hard to fix then, no?
[15:12:54] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: there's no longer a simple way to say "here's a text, here's an assoc array, replace varaibles inthe text using stuff in the array".
[15:13:04] <Duesentrieb>	i need to write that based on PPFrame & PPNode stuff...
[15:13:11] <MinuteElectron>	:\
[15:13:19] <faceface>	MinuteElectron: why are you the peoples choice?
[15:14:15] <Wiredtape>	Oy!
[15:14:24] <MinuteElectron>	faceface: pardon?
[15:17:23] <Shepa>	Hello. Me need HELP...
[15:17:28] <Shepa>	I work with MediaWiki 1.11.1. We try do russia version GuildWars Wiki. And one Template not work correct. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Template:Skill_progression - this original page, http://wiki.gwcam.ru/index.php/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:Skill_progression - This our page. What we do wrong? Plz post solution on with link what to do... Im not very good know wiki... THX.
[15:18:11] <neurotope>	That is what you posted like... 8-10 min ago... calm down, if someone can help they will
[15:20:11] <Duesentrieb>	!templates | Shepa
[15:20:11] --mwbot--	Shepa: For more information about templates, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates>. The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions> and enabling HTML Tidy <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseTidy>.
[15:20:30] <Wiredtape>	argh! bastard ie.. :)
[15:21:35] <Shepa>	Thanks you... Try use HTML Tidy... Other im already use...
[15:22:21] <Duesentrieb>	Shepa: you probably also miss the CSS classes that are used by the original
[15:22:22] <Duesentrieb>	!css
[15:22:22] --mwbot--	To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration>
[15:23:15] <Duesentrieb>	Shepa: see the skill-progress stuff here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[15:23:33] <Duesentrieb>	anddon't forget to clear yourf browser cache
[15:23:59] <Shepa>	k thx
[15:26:00] <neurotope>	woo hoo!  http://www.wp-united.com/ has a solution to make wordpress dependant on phpbb3 :-)
[15:31:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10Eugene.Zelenko)
[15:41:26] <tale>	!skins
[15:41:26] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[15:41:40] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32471 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (38 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-26 16:14 CET)
[15:45:11] <Shepa>	All really big THX. Now all work!!!
[15:49:45] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32472 10/trunk/extensions/ (72 files in 71 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-26 16:14 CET)
[16:00:13] <Wiredtape>	has anyone ever thought of making template messages? allowing templates to be used across different lang wikis, with changes based on localisation?
[16:10:49] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SQL error from #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (ssanbeg)
[16:13:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing tables in installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519  summary; +comment (10ssanbeg)
[16:15:37] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32473 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesRu.php MessagesUk.php): 
[16:15:37] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[16:15:37] <CIA-44>	* magic words, special page aliases
[16:16:26] <Ubuntu43>	How exactly do I move the top right text (i.e. log in / create account) to the bottom right?
[16:17:03] <jlerner>	Ubuntu43: edit the skin?
[16:17:29] <Wiredtape>	Ubuntu43, skin or css..
[16:18:03] <Ubuntu43>	How do I do it in the skin?
[16:18:15] <Wiredtape>	look for div id="p-personal"
[16:19:04] <Wiredtape>	move the div to be underneath where ever you want it to appear.. 
[16:19:16] <Ubuntu43>	Simple enough
[16:19:21] <Ubuntu43>	Thanks Wiredtape
[16:19:26] <Wiredtape>	underneath whatever div you want it to appear that is.. 
[16:19:28] <Wiredtape>	np
[16:20:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing tables in installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519  15enhancement->major (10ssanbeg)
[16:21:06] <C-Otto>	i still have severe problems installting mediawiki, i guess the installer forgets the sql-username
[16:21:16] <C-Otto>	i'd like you to try it out: http://aprove.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/termination-portal/config/index.php
[16:21:33] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, which ver?
[16:21:46] <C-Otto>	Wiredtape: latest, 1.12.0
[16:22:02] <C-Otto>	the database is mysql, localhost, root without password
[16:22:24] <C-Otto>	and "terminationdb" as db, "termination" as user is the data i tried (with and without root, with and without manually created db, ...)
[16:22:51] <Wiredtape>	should have password *i believe it is in fact required.. 
[16:23:00] <C-Otto>	for the root acc?
[16:23:02] <C-Otto>	i'll try.
[16:23:10] <CIA-44>	03vrandezo * r32474 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/specials/URIResolver/SMW_SpecialURIResolver.php: Title object was not created yet.
[16:23:41] <C-Otto>	Error selecting database terminationdb: 1044 Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'terminationdb'
[16:23:45] <C-Otto>	^ same problem as always
[16:23:48] <C-Otto>	notice the username ''
[16:23:55] <C-Otto>	although i entered "termination"
[16:24:02] <Wiredtape>	did you try providing superuser account?
[16:24:08] <C-Otto>	yes
[16:24:14] <Wiredtape>	hmm.. ok
[16:24:20] <iubito>	hello!
[16:24:21] <C-Otto>	you can try it out if you want
[16:24:24] <C-Otto>	hi iubito 
[16:24:29] <Wiredtape>	pm me the link i'll take a look at it when i come back in 15mins
[16:24:38] <C-Otto>	thanks
[16:24:47] <Wiredtape>	np
[16:25:08] <iubito>	Mediawiki 1.12 : I've an error when submitting changes to some page of my wiki, not always, not all pages. Here is the error : Fatal error: Using $this when not in object context in ..../includes/Parser.php on line 563
[16:26:02] <iubito>	has someone got this error?
[16:31:22] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32475 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Shorten
[16:39:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Online/offline switch in user interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13520 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (guillom.pom)
[16:39:12] <iubito>	The error is probably due to tasks extension, I wrote a message at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:Tasks_Extension#MW1.12_Saving_page_with_task_causes_Fatal_error_in_Parser.php
[16:41:12] <ialex>	iubito: the method is marked as static in comment but use $this, wich doesn't work when using static methods
[16:41:15] <ialex>	*sigh*
[16:41:38] *ialex 	stabs the one who (re-)wrote that function
[16:42:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Autoconfirmed on all projects for global usernames - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13521 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (timichal)
[16:42:21] <iubito>	ok, that's a big bug then ^^ not due to the extension
[16:42:36] <iubito>	ialex> so what can we do ?
[16:42:44] <ialex>	iubito: open a bug ? :)
[16:42:57] <iubito>	probably :)
[16:44:04] <iubito>	I can't remove the static, because it's called as static elsewhere... so the $this is the problem. I open the bug in a few minutes
[16:45:28] <ialex>	iubito: this bug is still present in trunk, so you can put 1.13-svn for the version (and say that it is present in 1.12 too)
[16:45:37] <iubito>	ok
[16:46:01] <MinuteElectron>	which line is it on in trunk?
[16:48:48] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, send the link again.. stupid IE!
[16:50:26] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: 563
[16:52:02] <MinuteElectron>	thanks
[16:52:33] <iubito>	MinuteElectron, ialex> do I submit the bug, or MinuteElectron you fix it ?
[16:52:57] <MinuteElectron>	no
[16:52:59] <MinuteElectron>	submit it
[16:53:03] <iubito>	ok
[16:53:28] <iubito>	done
[16:53:36] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (sylvain_machefert)
[16:53:40] <C-Otto>	Wiredtape: http://aprove.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/termination-portal/config/index.php
[16:54:26] <MinuteElectron>	actually
[16:55:27] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, ok, what was the db (that already exists..) and db user?
[16:55:59] <C-Otto>	"terminationdb" and "termination"
[16:56:05] <C-Otto>	i can create and delete as you wish
[16:56:13] <Wiredtape>	db user pass?
[16:56:16] <C-Otto>	choose one
[16:56:32] <Wiredtape>	123456
[16:56:37] <C-Otto>	sounds fine
[16:56:50] <Wiredtape>	root pass do same.. 
[16:56:57] <MinuteElectron>	ialex: It's line 528 in trunk.
[16:57:00] <C-Otto>	root does not need a password
[16:57:10] <C-Otto>	should i create the database or the user before?
[16:57:52] <Wiredtape>	does not matter.
[16:58:00] <C-Otto>	good
[16:58:00] <Wiredtape>	but make sure to give the user priviliges to this db
[16:58:56] <MinuteElectron>	iubito: I will submit a patch, it might get backported maybe.
[16:59:27] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, tell me when you've done this..
[16:59:30] <iubito>	you mean I could probably patch my 1.12 version of Parser.php ?
[17:00:12] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[17:00:28] <iubito>	cool :)
[17:02:25] <C-Otto>	Wiredtape: the user does not exist yet
[17:02:32] <Wiredtape>	ok
[17:02:41] <Wiredtape>	why not?
[17:02:46] <Wiredtape>	are you creating it now?
[17:03:06] <C-Otto>	mysql> grant create, select, insert, update, delete, alter, lock tables on terminationdb.* to 'termination'@'localhost' identified by '123456';
[17:03:09] <C-Otto>	Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
[17:03:20] <C-Otto>	now the user exists, but the database does not
[17:03:43] <Wiredtape>	how can you give priviliges to a user on a db that doesn't exist?
[17:03:49] <C-Otto>	i have no clue
[17:03:53] <Wiredtape>	why not just use phpmyadmin?
[17:04:07] <C-Otto>	i just created the database, but that still gives "0 rows affected"
[17:04:16] <C-Otto>	i never used phpmyadmin
[17:04:36] <C-Otto>	and as far as i understood the code mediawiki creates user and database itself
[17:04:52] <Wiredtape>	there are no rows in the database.. this does not mean the db doesn't exist.
[17:05:22] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, no, you need to create a db for mediawiki and a db user for mw.. mw creates the tables and the mw users..
[17:05:47] <C-Otto>	                                print "<li>Attempting to create database...</li>";
[17:05:54] <C-Otto>	                                        print "<li>Could not create user - already exists!</li>\n";
[17:06:07] <C-Otto>	these two lines of code indicated mediawiki tries to create everythin it needs (given the superuser account)
[17:06:11] <Topsy>	I'd like the page tabs to not have any space above them, what do I edit to remove that space?
[17:06:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Missing tables in installation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519  (10ssanbeg)
[17:06:56] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, ok why make it hard on mw? just create the db and db user manually 
[17:07:36] <C-Otto>	both do exist now
[17:07:41] <C-Otto>	i can do "use terminationdb"
[17:07:47] <C-Otto>	and the user shows in "select * from users"
[17:07:53] <Wiredtape>	ok
[17:08:13] <C-Otto>	and i can login via console
[17:08:16] <C-Otto>	even to terminationdb
[17:08:28] <Wiredtape>	hmm.. 
[17:08:32] <C-Otto>	yes :)
[17:08:39] <Wiredtape>	and i can see that user is still ""
[17:08:48] <C-Otto>	right
[17:09:00] <Topsy>	Is there a way to remove the margin above the tabs
[17:09:02] <Topsy>	?
[17:10:20] <MinuteElectron>	iubito: I've got a patch, I'll submit it once I've made the diff.
[17:10:26] <iubito>	ok
[17:11:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Document needed DB privileges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519  major->normal; summary; +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[17:12:44] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, i'm sure there's something we are missing from mysql side.. i've never seen this bug before nor heard of any documentation or talks about it..
[17:12:57] <C-Otto>	http://rafb.net/p/Sis6bH49.html
[17:13:00] <C-Otto>	that is the debug output
[17:13:16] <C-Otto>	barbara is the user with UID 502
[17:13:25] <C-Otto>	which is the owner of all the files
[17:14:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522  (10minuteelectron)
[17:14:22] <C-Otto>	that anonymous sounds wrong to me
[17:15:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522   +need-review +patch (10minuteelectron)
[17:16:12] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, i'm guessing this might be a problem too
[17:16:24] <Wiredtape>	is barbara - root?
[17:16:31] <C-Otto>	barbara is not root
[17:16:43] <MinuteElectron>	iubito: There we go, will need some changing to backport to 1.12 though.
[17:16:47] <C-Otto>	ah
[17:16:48] <C-Otto>	fixed!
[17:16:52] <C-Otto>	changing the file's owner to root did it
[17:17:01] <Wiredtape>	:)
[17:17:04] <C-Otto>	thanks!
[17:17:11] <Wiredtape>	np, glad this was solved
[17:17:19] <iubito>	MinuteElectron> Thanks :)
[17:17:37] <MinuteElectron>	iubito: If it gets accepted I'll reccomend backporting it to 1.12 so it'll be in the 1.12.1 release if and when it comes.
[17:17:55] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, it would be nice to have a bug report on this * or some documentation to see what caused the error and what the solution was..
[17:17:55] <iubito>	ok
[17:18:02] <C-Otto>	Wiredtape: where?
[17:18:17] <Wiredtape>	bugzilla
[17:18:19] <Wiredtape>	!bugzilla
[17:18:19] --mwbot--	All bugs in MediaWiki should be reported at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. This is also the place to request site configuration changes, new features or enhancements to existing features, although bear the following points in mind before making a feature/enhancement request: 1) If the request is specific to a Wikimedia wiki, please discuss the issue on that wiki first. 2) Consider whether a custom extension would be more appropriate.
[17:18:34] <C-Otto>	will do.
[17:18:38] <Wiredtape>	thx
[17:24:57] <iubito>	MinuteElectron> I applied your patch manually (copy/paste) and it seems to be ok. Now I test...
[17:25:15] <MinuteElectron>	what?
[17:25:22] <MinuteElectron>	how can you copy and paste my patch
[17:25:38] <MinuteElectron>	nevermind
[17:26:19] <iubito>	To check the changes I copied/past the changed line to replace the old in my Parser.php
[17:26:23] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[17:26:43] <MinuteElectron>	i'm not sure if that'll work though
[17:26:56] <iubito>	I didn't used the "apply patch" function of my IDE, because of the line numbers which are different, I don't know what would have happened
[17:27:05] <MinuteElectron>	ahh ok
[17:27:07] <MinuteElectron>	if it doesn't i'll send you a 1.12 targetted version of Parser.php
[17:27:20] <iubito>	The problem has disappeared ! :)
[17:27:28] <MinuteElectron>	aweseom
[17:27:31] <iubito>	:D
[17:27:35] <MinuteElectron>	Now I just have to catch tim.
[17:27:45] <MinuteElectron>	or maybe
[17:27:45] <iubito>	ok
[17:27:50] <MinuteElectron>	Simetrical: Are you busy?
[17:28:03] <ylsine>	hey all - I'm trying to implement a single sign on solution.  I have it all working except that in the template the "Personal Tools" box seems to persist after logout
[17:28:06] <iubito>	Simetrical> beep beep :D
[17:28:54] <ylsine>	any tips or good write ups?  a shift reload in the browser seems to expire the cache and "fixes" the problem, though if you try to edit, you are indeed logged out.
[17:29:01] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, you mean p-personal? you want it to disappear if someone is not logged in?
[17:29:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Identifier needed for MediaWiki generated pages in page source - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11988  (10ThomasBleher)
[17:29:41] <ylsine>	wiredtype - yeah.  i have it working, but not when the state changes, say in another browser window
[17:29:43] <Wiredtape>	or do you mean that the p-personal options are displayed the same as if you were logged in even though you aren't.. 
[17:29:53] <ylsine>	yeah that
[17:30:31] <ylsine>	i have a bunch of debug code, the verdict is in, media wiki thinks the user is logged out
[17:30:49] <Wiredtape>	well.. obviously browser windows would need a refresh to be  updated of logged in/out status.. but i don't believe there is relevance to cache here..
[17:31:22] <ylsine>	that's the thing - a normal reload in the browser doesn't cause the p-personal box to go away
[17:31:29] <ylsine>	a shift reload does
[17:31:35] <Wiredtape>	well it should go away completely
[17:31:37] <ylsine>	which is...odd, to say the least
[17:31:41] <iubito>	now, another question (not a bug!) : how can I disabled $wgEnableParserCache, with a few lines of code, for pages that include an extension that need no parser cache ?
[17:31:43] <Wiredtape>	only go back to an ip..
[17:32:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[17:32:15] <Wiredtape>	iubito, are we talking about special pages? 
[17:32:26] <iubito>	that's not a special page
[17:32:46] <Wiredtape>	"for pages that include an extension that needs no parser cache" - regular pages?
[17:32:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) internal link selection resizes table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13497  (10brion)
[17:33:32] <iubito>	I've an extension which displays a form, and when submitted (post method), we go to the same page (with extra paremeters for no-browser cache) and instead of the form, it displays the result. It's in regular page.
[17:34:21] <iubito>	so that owner of the wiki can add forms where she wants.
[17:35:03] <iubito>	for security (for those who would ask) : she is sysop, createaccount is disabled...
[17:35:17] <Wiredtape>	well.. this depends (i'm guessing) on how the extension is written.. is this extension adding html or wikitext?
[17:35:27] <iubito>	html
[17:35:58] <Wiredtape>	then i don't believe the parser would cache it anyway..
[17:36:01] <iubito>	when I set $wgEnableParserCache = false, it works very well... but disabling this decrease performances of the site
[17:36:31] <Wiredtape>	why would the parser cache something that doesn't go through it.. (i might be mistaken about this of course)
[17:36:41] <iubito>	when it's enabled, I always get the same result (the empty form) as if the extension were not parsed, and result retrieved from the cache
[17:36:56] <domas>	thats what parser cache is for, yes, speeding up stuff.
[17:37:05] <iubito>	*the same result after submit than before submit
[17:37:57] <iubito>	so I'd like to disable the parser cache for the few pages that use this extension
[17:38:09] <Wiredtape>	iubito, ok, i'm trying to understand this extension.. what exactly goes through parser?
[17:38:28] <Wiredtape>	if you are using $wgOut->addHTML(...) this doesn't go through parser- i think..
[17:38:40] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: It's a tag extension.
[17:38:52] <Wiredtape>	ahhh...
[17:39:07] <Wiredtape>	now i get it :)
[17:39:11] <MinuteElectron>	:P
[17:39:17] *ylsine 	listens in to learn more about MW caching
[17:39:24] <iubito>	yes, tag <formmailer>everything needed to create the form</formmailer>
[17:39:37] <iubito>	whe no posted data, it displays the form
[17:39:39] <MinuteElectron>	brion: are you available to review a patch?
[17:39:44] <brion>	no
[17:39:49] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[17:40:08] <iubito>	when posted datas, it check them, if error displays error messages and form. If no error, it send the mail and displays "Thank you, the email was sent blabla"
[17:40:09] <Wiredtape>	iubito, simple solution would be to reload page with action=purge
[17:40:54] <iubito>	I give it a try... the action of the form would be "index.php?title=TheSamePage&action=purge"
[17:41:02] <Wiredtape>	yup
[17:42:25] <t0lk>	where is the svn trunk to the branch currently running on wikipedia or mediawiki?
[17:43:01] <Wiredtape>	t0lk, wikipedia/mediawiki both run trunk (more or less)
[17:43:11] <t0lk>	the /phase3 one?
[17:43:18] <Wiredtape>	i do believe so..
[17:43:38] <t0lk>	oh, that get's updated so frequently I thought there would be another
[17:43:45] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, have you solved the prob?
[17:44:03] <t0lk>	thanks Wiredtape
[17:44:03] <t0lk>	:)
[17:44:15] <Wiredtape>	t0lk, i think that mediawiki/wikipedia get updated every once in a while to that..
[17:44:22] <t0lk>	ok
[17:44:47] <iubito>	Wiredtape> seems to work !
[17:45:10] <iubito>	I was afraid it would ask "you want to purge the cache, click OK" for a non-logged in visitor
[17:46:02] <ylsine>	wiredtape - nope...did you recommend something?  I was thinking that i didn't follow your comment or that maybe it was intended for iubito
[17:46:23] <Wiredtape>	iubito, i think it will..
[17:46:26] <Wiredtape>	did you try?
[17:46:44] <iubito>	yes I tried, and it didn't asked to confirm the purge \o/
[17:46:47] <ylsine>	fyi - i did try that ("action=purge") and it only asked me once
[17:46:50] <iubito>	let's give another try :D
[17:47:09] <ylsine>	other times it didn't ask me
[17:47:19] <ylsine>	if that makes any sense
[17:47:47] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, i had asked if when you say p-personal still appears you meant that the ip appears or that the "former" logged in user actions still appear...
[17:48:26] <ylsine>	oh!  sorry.  no, the p-personal only appears with the former logged in user
[17:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Edits performed at one wiki have been attached to another. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13523 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (lifeisunfair)
[17:49:32] <ylsine>	i've added some code to my skin/MYSKINFILE.php to only show p-personal if the user is logged int
[17:49:53] <ylsine>	which  we may change b/c then anon users don't have those options.  but for the beta version of this, it'll be fine
[17:49:55] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, well.. the only thing i can think of is.. either sending the browser a no-cache option, or hacking the skin and adding some sort of check for "logged-in" (there is a $wgUser method for this) and then add the usuall ip/anonymous options if he is not..
[17:51:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a tag for inline math - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12223  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[17:51:28] <iubito>	\o/ works so well... let's see now if it still works with $wgUseFileCache = true... hehe
[17:51:50] <ylsine>	exactly!  I have two "logged in" calls.  the native MW and the one to detect remote login/logout.
[17:52:14] <ylsine>	iubito - im fairly certain anon users get the clear cache prompt, while logged in users don't
[17:52:20] <ylsine>	in testing my issue, that's what i see
[17:52:25] <iubito>	ylsine> yes
[17:53:00] <iubito>	I tested on 3 browser when anonym, for other pages of the site, when I ask index.php?title=...&action=purge it asks for confirm
[17:53:10] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, hmm.. interesting problem.. try sending no-cache to browser?
[17:53:41] <Wiredtape>	iubito, but on pages using this extension it doesn't?
[17:53:46] <iubito>	I didn't confirm and then went to my page with form mysite/MyPageWithForm, submit the form... to /index.php?title=MyPageWithForm&action=purge&r=randomnumber and I didn't get confirm purge cache message 
[17:53:53] <ylsine>	so wiredtap, i wrap my p-personal in a $isSSOloggedIn (boolean) and it doesn't do anything
[17:54:27] <ylsine>	adding some error_log entries in that same page and they don't get called
[17:54:27] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, post your code.. (pastey.net)
[17:54:34] <ylsine>	skin file?
[17:54:34] <Wiredtape>	gd, siebrand
[17:54:47] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, not all of it, but yes
[17:54:51] <ylsine>	k
[17:55:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edits performed at one wiki have been attached to another. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13523  +comment (10lifeisunfair)
[17:55:45] <ylsine>	?action=purge does solve it.  going over to pastey.net  now
[17:57:33] <ylsine>	pastey is giving me lip, here's pastebin: http://splunk.pastebin.ca/958358
[17:57:48] <Wiredtape>	ok
[17:58:17] <ylsine>	open <?php tag is missing, but it's there ;)
[17:58:23] <iubito>	my extension still works when $wgUseFileCache = true ! unbelievable :D
[17:59:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:MergeAccount does not identify all accounts - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12096  (10lilewyn)
[17:59:22] <solifugus>	Doing a "Drupal-style" farm, there appears to be only one way to know what wiki is being called--from the URI and only when the user first enters the site.. So I am storing it in a session variable.. and about the test this--I hope it works with interwiki links.
[17:59:33] <iubito>	after more testing, I think I'll share this extension, as the current form maker/mailer on mediawiki.org are not so sophisticated
[18:00:32] <Wiredtape>	iubito, what kind of forms? i'm looking for one.. a mailer i already have :)
[18:02:01] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, well if &action=purge works, then i can only assume you're having problems with mw cache and not browser cache
[18:02:01] <ylsine>	solifugus, out of curiosity, what are you trying to do? skin based in wiki using shared code base or something?
[18:02:12] <ylsine>	wiredtape, exactly
[18:02:51] <iubito>	Wiredtape> www.dagondesign.com/articles/ secure-php-form-mailer-script
[18:02:53] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Editing a Category brings up the Preview screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2618  major->minor; high->normal; +comment (10shorlbeck)
[18:02:58] <ylsine>	the thing is, all my debug code agrees the user is logged out, but the debug code in the template doesn't get called.  is there an API call to MW to destroy a cache for a user or something?
[18:03:03] <solifugus>	ylsine: we have a farm of wikis, same code different databases.. on v. 1.5.6 and I've really just being trying to find a way to upgrade... so finally, i am trying to setup a new empty wiki.. and then I will try to convert the data to them.
[18:03:07] <Wiredtape>	ylsine, which is another problem since the skin is almost always cached.. my suggestion would be to use a hook instead of these skin checks
[18:03:12] <solifugus>	Been fiddling with this for months..
[18:03:14] <iubito>	a demo : http://www.dagondesign.com/contact/
[18:03:26] <solifugus>	the howto is defintely broken with the current version
[18:03:28] <ylsine>	solifugus - ah, way outa my league.  Sounds cool!
[18:03:42] <solifugus>	not cool... painful
[18:03:46] <ylsine>	:(
[18:03:56] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, what seems to be the prob?
[18:04:06] <ylsine>	wiredtape, i'm all for it!
[18:04:14] *ylsine 	goes off to search for info no hooks in MW
[18:04:25] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: states the prob above.. lot of typing.
[18:04:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) allow cropping images when rendered - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7757  (10ThomasBleher)
[18:04:52] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, :) let me take a look
[18:05:41] <iubito>	oops, a problem with use cache files... I disable it
[18:05:51] <iubito>	Wiredtape> did you see the notice?
[18:05:52] *ylsine 	finds http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hooks and digs in
[18:05:57] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, session vars should work.. i use it on my wiki-farm (small one though)
[18:06:51] <Wiredtape>	iubito, i saw :) 
[18:07:29] <iubito>	still some problems with cache... :p
[18:07:31] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: trying that now, but seem to have a syntax error.. though it looks right to me..  as soon as i figure this out, i will try it with a copy of our 8 wikis...
[18:07:57] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: we need different wiki databases, because authentication is different for each--Active Directory groups.
[18:08:02] <Wiredtape>	iubito, it's a nice system.. i would like to see one that uses some js libraries to see ajax used instead of reloading the page.. :)
[18:08:37] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, i don't use active directory but have different wiki databases as well.. just specify a require_once for additional settings files and it should work fine..
[18:08:40] <iubito>	yes... would have been better. But I didn't find a good one. Do you have one?
[18:08:53] <iubito>	which is compatible with browser with no js
[18:09:12] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32476 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryUsers.php: (bug 13517) list=users threw fatal error when only invalid usernames are specified
[18:09:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Exception when trying to get info for anonymous user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13517  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[18:10:03] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: Getting a syntax error, unexpected '[' on this line: $_SESSION['wsuCurrentWiki'] = uriPart[0];
[18:11:17] <Wiredtape>	iubito, are you asking about a js library or about an extension?
[18:11:45] <iubito>	extension if you have, good library if not
[18:11:54] <Wiredtape>	solifugus.. i would paste my code if i wasn't on a computer that can't access it... there's a good example on one of the faq pages
[18:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) add option to not strip categories from input - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8359  summary (10ThomasBleher)
[18:12:30] <Wiredtape>	iubito, unfortunately there is no extension like this yet.. though i have thought about it quite a bit and might get pushed into making it.. :) as for a good library
[18:12:32] <Wiredtape>	:
[18:13:00] <Wiredtape>	you don't really need anything other than a nice method to lookup form vaules on the fly by specifying the name without writing the iteration code.. 
[18:14:42] <iubito>	maybe I should transform the library I have to use ajax
[18:14:54] <iubito>	need some lessons about ajax... :p
[18:15:02] <iubito>	or some good examples
[18:15:02] <Wiredtape>	w3.org :)
[18:15:07] *iubito 	googles
[18:16:20] <Wiredtape>	iubito, some js libraries have this already..
[18:16:27] <Wiredtape>	i think yui does and probably json
[18:18:37] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: the session variable doesn't get remembered.. maybe I should use session_register() instead of directly assigning?  Or, check and see where session_start() is..
[18:18:37] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32477 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/Wiki.php index.php skins/MonoBook.php): 
[18:18:38] <CIA-44>	Drop some useless parameters to silly methods on the pretty much broken MediaWiki object.
[18:18:38] <CIA-44>	These are just globals, and will never be anything other than the globals, so just use them...
[18:18:38] <CIA-44>	Works around mysterious segfault we started having on some wikis, for no apparent reason, and simplifies ugly code. Sigh.
[18:20:10] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Scenario_2:_Quick_set-up
[18:20:11] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507  (10pathoschild)
[18:20:31] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: session_register() before use, did the trick..  I could have sworn the php documentation said you only need to assign it to $_SESSION
[18:21:58] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, it's good enough to check the request uri in $_SESSION, i don't think you need to go to the trouble of registering the actual session.. 
[18:22:15] <Wiredtape>	but maybe you do :) i dunno what php ver you have or anything about your system..
[18:23:01] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: yes, but our wikis are in separate databases..  so I used the "drupal-style" in that document, but it doesn't work as advertised on current versions of mediawiki..  As for sessions, registering the variable made the difference..
[18:23:10] <solifugus>	php 5.1.6
[18:23:59] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, i have seperate database, but didn't use the drupal style, i don't see any reason to do it that way.. i have one source, seperate db's .. 
[18:24:35] <Wiredtape>	as long as mw 1.5 (is this what you  said you are using) has a variable for setting the database, this should work
[18:24:35] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: what version of mediawiki?
[18:24:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edits performed at one wiki have been attached to another. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13523  normal->major (10pathoschild)
[18:24:48] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, 1.10+ 
[18:25:23] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: our existing onces are 1.5.6, but I am trying to setup a 1.12.0 version then I will migrate the databases over to it.  
[18:25:50] <solifugus>	Wiredtape: thanks for telling me how you did it--if this approach gives me too much more trouble I will revert to your approach.
[18:26:35] <Wiredtape>	solifugus, np, i now btw use 1.11, 1.12 and trunk on all wikis with same approach
[18:27:40] <t0lk>	can anyone quickly recommend a good ftp program? i'm using smartftp now but it seems slow now that i've updated it
[18:27:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) ifexist function creating wantedpages noise - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12019  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[18:27:56] <Wiredtape>	t0lk, filezilla
[18:28:05] <t0lk>	ok
[18:28:07] <t0lk>	thank you :)
[18:28:09] <t0lk>	i'll check that out
[18:28:56] <Wiredtape>	np
[18:39:17] <siebrand>	brion: r32477 appears to contain some strange stuff...
[18:39:30] <siebrand>	brion: isn't there a prettier way to do this?
[18:39:51] <^demon>	!r32477
[18:39:51] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "r32477".
[18:39:55] <^demon>	Blah.
[18:40:00] <^demon>	mwbot should give me a quick link.
[18:40:00] <brion>	bah
[18:40:05] <brion>	committed wrong file
[18:40:12] <siebrand>	brion: IANAC, but I see a non-existing class mentioned in core code, and a MonoBook specific solution.
[18:40:52] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32478 10/trunk/phase3/skins/MonoBook.php: revert accidental commit of broken test stuff for Collections ext
[18:40:54] <brion>	siebrand: reverted commit of wrong file
[18:41:15] <siebrand>	brion: ah :) You scared me :)
[18:41:40] <domas>	brion: did YOU enable ProfilerSimpleText on  your development wiki?! :)
[18:41:47] <brion>	nope
[18:47:51] <C-Otto>	Wiredtape: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13524
[18:47:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Confusing MySQL permission problem not detected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13524 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (bugswikimedia)
[18:49:14] <Wiredtape>	C-Otto, :)
[18:50:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Category Sorting Incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13525 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (eglmainz)
[18:55:02] <siebrand>	brion: can you tell me why a Wikimedia installation shows output on http://dz.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AllMessages&ot=php when there are no entries in the MediaWiki namespace?
[18:55:25] <derwin>	what do you mean by "no entries in the mediawiki namespace" ?
[18:55:51] <derwin>	(apologies if you are working on some issue with brion, specifically, and therefore the question makes more sense than it appears to)
[18:56:02] <siebrand>	derwin: http://dz.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&namespace=8
[18:56:53] <brion>	i won't have time to address any questions in this channel for a while
[18:57:10] <derwin>	siebrand: heh, I see what you're saying.. that is kinda weird.
[18:57:26] <siebrand>	brion: ok, no sweat. I'll bugzilla it.
[18:57:52] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32479 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Wiki.php: missed one
[18:58:48] <brimstone>	our group wants to store budget info in our wiki, this brings up 2 questions, is there a way to mark a page as readable only by members and is there a way to do simple table/cell calculations in mediawiki?
[18:59:57] <Topsy>	Anyone here have their new logo not show up? If so how did you fix it?
[19:00:05] <brion>	siebrand: offhand it looks like anything from an extension plus anything using variables (eg {{SITENAME}})
[19:01:24] <Wiredtape>	brimstone, yes, through group permissions.. and yes through parser functions
[19:01:59] <brimstone>	Wiredtape: great! i'd not found anything on mediawiki.org, do you have a link or something i can read and get a push in the right direction please?
[19:02:23] <Wiredtape>	lets see :)
[19:02:27] <Wiredtape>	!permission
[19:02:27] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "permission". You might try: !newusergroup 
[19:02:32] <Wiredtape>	!newusergroup
[19:02:32] --mwbot--	To create a new usergroup, simple set permissions for that group in LocalSettings.php, using $wgGroupPermissions. Then, simply add users to that group
[19:02:50] <Wiredtape>	hmm.. not that.. 
[19:03:36] <Wiredtape>	brimstone, search mediawiki.org for permissions.. and look in the extension matrix for one of the parser calc extensions ( i don't remember what it is called)
[19:03:52] <C-Otto>	bye
[19:04:00] <brimstone>	ok, thanks Wiredtape
[19:04:19] <brimstone>	let me take another search then
[19:04:24] *iubito 	has found a js which send a form with ajax... but seems to be get method... looking for example with post method
[19:04:25] <iubito>	http://www.durgle.com/projects/code/javascripts/durgle.ajax.1.9.0.js
[19:05:52] <Wiredtape>	brimstone, np
[19:06:37] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Create user preference to always "ignore any warnings" when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13514  +comment (10brion)
[19:09:53] <Wiredtape>	anyone have a shrubbery i could borrow?
[19:11:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Magic word for number of items in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6943  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:16:06] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Magic word for number of items in a category - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6943  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[19:22:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG image should have link to PNG version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6834  (10brion)
[19:22:41] <Wiredtape>	what kind of world is this where no one can spare just one shrubbery? :)
[19:25:02] *iubito 	goes to eat
[19:26:55] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32480 10/branches/REL1_12/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[19:26:55] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates German
[19:26:55] <CIA-44>	Backport a few German language tweaks for a further release of 1.12
[19:27:08] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Edits performed at one wiki have been attached to another. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13523  +comment (10brion)
[19:27:47] <guillom>	haha
[19:28:04] <guillom>	"OMG CentralAuth imported edits from another project!"
[19:28:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Editing a Category brings up the Preview screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2618  +comment (10brion)
[19:28:36] *White_Cat 	exports guillom to the US
[19:28:59] <guillom>	White_Cat, only if $wgVisaExemption is set to 1
[19:29:12] <Wiredtape>	Wiredtape directs guillom to wiredtape.com for information regarding immigration
[19:29:12] <White_Cat>	guillom who cares about that
[19:29:21] *White_Cat 	dumps guillom through the mexican border
[19:29:41] *White_Cat 	drags guillom to the nearest urban area
[19:29:51] <White_Cat>	congrats you are a legal immigrant!
[19:30:06] <Wiredtape>	Wiredtape, yet again sends guillom to wiredtape.com for information regarding his rights as a legal mexican immigrant
[19:30:19] <White_Cat>	he isnt mexican
[19:30:25] <White_Cat>	at least
[19:30:29] <Wiredtape>	and now Wiredtape shall stop referring to himself in the 3rd person
[19:30:31] <White_Cat>	I never considered him mexican
[19:30:42] <White_Cat>	guillom you werent mexican right?
[19:30:49] <Wiredtape>	"White_Cat dumps guillom through the mexican border"
[19:30:50] <White_Cat>	(I actualy know you are French) ;P
[19:31:04] <White_Cat>	Wiredtape what makes you think he entered mexico legaly?
[19:31:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Edits performed at one wiki have been attached to another. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13523  (10lifeisunfair)
[19:31:20] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Category Sorting Incorrectly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13525  +comment (10brion)
[19:31:46] <Wiredtape>	White_Cat, i assumed that you were aware of the dumping by a white cat act of 2001 in mexico..
[19:32:02] <White_Cat>	Wiredtape I acted regardless
[19:32:14] <White_Cat>	guillom dumplings!
[19:32:57] <Wiredtape>	White_Cat, inadvertantly you have now caused guillom to lose his legal immigrant status
[19:33:16] <guillom>	stop highlighting me, sgrmbl
[19:33:31] <White_Cat>	okay okay
[19:33:31] <Wiredtape>	lol
[19:35:44] <C-Otto>	back again.
[19:35:47] <C-Otto>	i hope i can get some DPL support here :)
[19:38:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Editing a Category brings up the Preview screen - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2618  (10shorlbeck)
[19:40:06] <MONK3000>	is there a way to have the TOC hidden by default so it reads [show] when you open the page?
[19:40:42] <brimstone>	so Wiredtape, i stumbled upon http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management but it doesn't seem to do what i had hoped. Is there more then just adding the wgAddGroup line?
[19:41:49] <Wiredtape>	well.. there is a permission for reading a page..
[19:42:17] <Wiredtape>	settings everyone other than the group you create to no.. will make only this group read the wiki
[19:42:30] <Wiredtape>	if you want it on a page-by-page basis, there is an extension for it..
[19:42:42] <Wiredtape>	and again, unfortunately i don't remember the extensions name
[19:44:16] <brimstone>	ah, ok
[19:44:19] <brimstone>	it was an extension
[19:44:41] <brimstone>	i'll have to look somemore, thanks for your help Wiredtape
[19:44:46] <Wiredtape>	np
[19:54:25] <^demon>	brion: How does one go about getting a slot in SVN for their extension?
[19:54:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  (10thomasV1)
[19:55:07] <MinuteElectron>	^demon: ask for commit access, commit :)
[19:55:45] <^demon>	That was random...
[19:56:28] <brion>	^demon: link me the extension, send me your preferred username & a ssh public key, and hope i don't forget you :)
[19:56:29] <^demon>	(brion: if you replied, I didn't see it)
[19:56:35] <^demon>	Gotcha.
[19:57:03] <^demon>	Linky: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InterwikiList
[19:59:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Pages can be deleted more than once without recreating or restoring them - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13526 normal; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (mike.lifeguard)
[20:00:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:06:21] <iubito>	MinuteElectron> did you talk to brion about the parser bug, or you prefer to wait for Tim?
[20:07:43] <Wiredtape>	iubito, i could give you the answer.. but i demand a shrubbery in return.. :)
[20:07:50] <Dantman>	O_O he's in...
[20:08:03] <Dantman>	brion: You get my e-mail about SVN Commit?
[20:08:45] <iubito>	shrubbery, what's that?
[20:09:24] <Dantman>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrubbery
[20:10:18] <Wiredtape>	iubito, better to look first on youtube for "knights who say Ni!"
[20:10:22] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32481 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: don't explode on restricted pages
[20:10:32] <brion>	Dantman: yeah, i'm a bit behind on those
[20:10:45] <derwin>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_who_say_ni
[20:10:59] <Wiredtape>	:)
[20:11:02] <iubito>	pfff... there is no interwiki link for a french article on [[en:Shrubbery]] :P :P :P
[20:12:07] <Dantman>	brion: ^_^ hopefully not as bad as I am with my attempts to make php work
[20:13:55] <Dantman>	:/ somehow sessions stoped working... even when I don't use my new php.ini
[20:14:06] <brion>	heh
[20:15:10] <Dantman>	So I'm forced to resort to commenting out my compile options down to the base needed things, hoping it works then, and recompiling it adding a new option one by one till it breaks and I find the option that is causing the issue
[20:15:30] <Dantman>	~/php build 5.2.5 as 5
[20:16:06] <MinuteElectron>	iubito: brion was\is busy, I'll wait for Tim - he should come on soonish.
[20:16:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) <math> does not work (wrong shell escaping under Windows) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13518  (10innocentkiller)
[20:16:30] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, that isn't fair! now i won't get my shrubbery!
[20:16:40] <MinuteElectron>	Wiredtape: huh?
[20:17:09] <Wiredtape>	MinuteElectron, nm
[20:17:21] <MinuteElectron>	what is your obsession with shrubbery?
[20:17:39] <Dantman>	He likes snakes to much...
[20:17:49] <Wiredtape>	how do snakes fit into the picture?
[20:18:05] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: Whee, just in time. I'm about to test Lockup. :D
[20:18:14] <^demon>	Wiredtape: Snakes fit into every picture.
[20:18:19] <Dantman>	Snake > Python > Monty Python > Monty Python and the Holy Grail > Knights of Ni > Shrubbery
[20:18:37] <Wiredtape>	Dantman, wow, that some set of associations.. :)
[20:18:41] <Dantman>	rofl
[20:18:43] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: But this continue processing logic is confusing me.
[20:18:46] <derwin>	I'm sick of these m-fing snakes on this m-fing wikipedia!
[20:18:52] <Dantman>	heh
[20:18:57] <^demon>	derwin: What about monkies on WP?
[20:18:59] <Wiredtape>	^demon, interestingly enough i've found you are right..
[20:19:08] <^demon>	s/monkey/monkeys
[20:19:19] <Wiredtape>	lol
[20:19:24] <Duesentrieb>	MinuteElectron: iirc that was the reason i decided to go with the "only restrict grants" way of thinking
[20:19:51] <iubito>	wow, I'm not so good at Free Word Association game :P
[20:20:02] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: mmh, we'll see
[20:20:16] <^demon>	The reason I mention monkeys? I read Slashdot earlier today.... http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=499512&cid=22866048
[20:20:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:20:48] <Dantman>	s/monkies/locusts
[20:21:25] <Dantman>	>.< I think I just found me a new mascot...
[20:21:35] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32482 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (includes/specials/xml2json/ skins/mv_embed/mv_embed.js): 
[20:21:35] <CIA-44>	removed xml2json (we just use client side javascript xml parse instead)
[20:21:35] <CIA-44>	re-ordered default player preference
[20:21:43] <Wiredtape>	^demon, lol
[20:22:15] <^demon>	Wiredtape: I try ;-)
[20:23:27] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: woah, the way this is being done is dangerous
[20:23:48] <MinuteElectron>	no it's not
[20:23:49] <MinuteElectron>	:\
[20:24:09] <Duesentrieb>	heh
[20:25:46] <C-Otto>	i can't manage to create my own namespace, although i added 'wgExtraNameSpaces = array(100 => "Something");' to my LocalSettings.php
[20:25:51] <C-Otto>	is there anything I need to know?
[20:25:58] <C-Otto>	$wg... of course
[20:26:28] <C-Otto>	i created new articles named "Something:xxx"
[20:26:33] <C-Otto>	but they appear in the main namespace
[20:27:42] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: This system is screwed up, I give up.
[20:28:00] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[20:28:25] <Mike_lifeguard>	C-Otto: I think you're using incorrect syntax -> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Creating_a_custom_namespace
[20:29:00] <Mike_lifeguard>	take note of how to deal with those pre-existing pages as well
[20:44:48] <C-Otto>	Mike_lifeguard: i followed that syntax too, did not help
[20:45:12] *Mike_lifeguard 	looks at his localsettings.php for a minute
[20:45:47] <C-Otto>	thanks!
[20:50:35] <C-Otto>	ah!
[20:50:38] <C-Otto>	capital s was wrong
[20:50:43] <C-Otto>	*try*
[20:51:07] <C-Otto>	yep
[20:51:08] <C-Otto>	that helped
[20:51:09] <C-Otto>	:))
[20:51:13] <C-Otto>	Mike_lifeguard: thanks anyway :>
[20:51:21] <Mike_lifeguard>	np :)
[20:58:33] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32483 10/trunk/extensions/Poem/Poem.php: don't spew PHP warnings when checking for 'compact' param
[20:59:53] <anon1532_>	When I enable: require_once( 'extensions/ExpandTemplates/ExpandTemplates.php'); the wiki goes down.  Once I disable it, things work normally again.  The extension is placed properly.  What data should I present in order to obtain assisting in fixing this issue?
[21:00:07] <anon1532_>	assistance*
[21:01:21] <C-Otto>	http://aprove.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/termination-portal/index.php/Category:People
[21:01:26] <C-Otto>	why does it show the namespace prefix there?
[21:02:04] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[21:02:25] <iubito>	I come back to the same question about the cache. How to disable $wgEnableParserCache from a tag extension. I want my extension clear the parser cache of the page which call it
[21:08:04] <nslater>	how can I get a title list for a wiki?
[21:09:09] <Jonny88>	Hi, I'm looking for help installing wikimedia software. I have installed the wikimedia packages from my repository but when i browse to config.php in firefox nothing happens. I just see config.php. Am I missing something (I think I am)
[21:10:14] <iubito>	Jonny88> are you sure your host accept PHP language?
[21:10:24] <Jonny88>	localhost
[21:11:41] <iubito>	Jonny88> did you already run php script on your localhost?
[21:11:58] <Jonny88>	No. I cannot figure out how to run it
[21:12:59] <CIA-44>	03brion * r32484 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: make the help link actually work on the completion/download page
[21:13:00] <iubito>	your are on windows? linux?
[21:13:10] <Jonny88>	SuSE Linux 10.3
[21:14:14] <Dantman|Work>	What webserver?
[21:14:35] <iubito>	I don't know how to install php on linux, sorry. Check you have installed apache, php, mysql database. In apache you must uncomment something that loads php
[21:14:49] <Dantman|Work>	Oi, don't be Apache dependent
[21:14:57] <Dantman|Work>	let em pick what Webserver they want
[21:15:19] <iubito>	what other webserver there are?
[21:15:29] <Jonny88>	apache php mysql all installed
[21:15:33] <Dantman|Work>	Firstly Lighttpd and NGINX
[21:15:48] <iubito>	never heard about them
[21:16:09] <Dantman|Work>	Then there are at least 3 other servers that PHP can be compiled with direct support for
[21:16:20] <Dantman|Work>	Plus anyone which supports FastCGI
[21:16:46] <Dantman|Work>	Apache is the bloated common webserver
[21:17:00] <brimstone>	Dantman|Work: what's your webserver of choice?
[21:17:29] <iubito>	before I go to bed, someone has an idea for my question ?
[21:17:34] <iubito>	How to disable $wgEnableParserCache from a tag extension. I want my extension clear the parser cache of the page which call it
[21:17:40] <Dantman|Work>	Used to use apache cause of the PATH_INFO, but I'm setting my server up with a Lightweight server, namely NGINX for me
[21:18:07] <brimstone>	have you looked at lighttpd?
[21:18:30] <Dantman|Work>	Hear to much about memory leaks after time
[21:18:44] <Dantman|Work>	Plus I'm already accustomed to NGINX's config
[21:18:51] <brimstone>	ah, sorry, small irc window, didn't see that you had already
[21:19:05] <iubito>	hehe
[21:19:32] <anon1532_>	Does ExtensionFunctions.php go directly into the extensions folder?
[21:19:34] <Dantman|Work>	Does Lighttpd use a sort of mod_php, or fastcgi?
[21:20:00] <brimstone>	i do not know, i've only read some about lighttpd and seen it used in openwrt
[21:20:13] <anon1532_>	extensions/extensionfunctions.php or do i put it within it's own directory?  extensions/extensionsfunctions/extensionsfunctions.php -?
[21:20:28] <Dantman|Work>	^_^ I like the fact that I'm using FastCGI in NGINX
[21:20:50] <Dantman|Work>	If you get down to the technical stuff... I can actually run PHP on a completely different server than the webserver
[21:21:17] <iubito>	anon1532_> I think, directly in extensions/ folder
[21:21:38] <anon1532_>	i tried that, and it works!  yay!
[21:21:43] <Dantman|Work>	But my primary reason for likeing is is that I am going to be running php5.2, 5.3, and 6 in parallel
[21:21:59] <iubito>	(thanks google)
[21:22:25] <domas>	Dantman|Work: fastcgi
[21:22:37] <anon1532_>	Yeah, I googled it too but the information I found didn't really make sense to me.  I really have no idea what I'm doing.  My network admin is a lazy SOB so I'm having to learn all this stuff with no prior experience, lulz.
[21:22:43] <Dantman|Work>	mkay
[21:23:26] <Dantman|Work>	Hope I can run a HTTP SVN through NGINX
[21:24:12] <Dantman|Work>	well time for work
[21:24:28] <iubito>	nobody has answer for my cache question?
[21:27:56] <iubito>	so...I'll ask on the mailing list
[21:28:02] <iubito>	ZZZzzzzzzz
[21:32:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271  (10aleonard1)
[21:38:51] <RoanKattouw>	domas: Got a question for you: currently, we have a (rev_user_text,rev_timestamp) index on revision. Is there a reason for having it in that particular order? Could the order by flipped (rev_timestamp,rev_user_text) instead? The current order is causing some very counter-intuitive behavior in the API...
[21:46:03] <Duesentrieb>	RoanKattouw: flipping it would be a bad idea i suppose. because then selecting by rev_user_text would no longer use any index.
[21:46:14] <Duesentrieb>	(unless tehre is one for that field alone too)
[21:46:24] <RoanKattouw>	Even if ORDER BY rev_timestamp is there?
[21:46:55] <RoanKattouw>	Right now I have to do ORDER BY rev_user_text,rev_timestamp in order to use the index, which sucks
[21:47:03] <Duesentrieb>	not sure... in thatz case it would probably use the index, but less effectively
[21:47:08] <Duesentrieb>	i think
[21:47:29] <RoanKattouw>	Duesentrieb: It doesn't, I EXPLAINed the queries and they filesorted if ORDER BY rev_user_text wasn't there
[21:47:53] <Duesentrieb>	yes, sure. if you order by something that has no index, then it needs a file sort
[21:48:06] <Duesentrieb>	you'd probably want an additional index
[21:48:11] <Duesentrieb>	but ask domas, he's the pro
[21:48:30] <RoanKattouw>	I did :P
[21:49:09] <RoanKattouw>	Well the file sort is averted if you use WHERE rev_user_text='someone' ; the problem is I use rev_user_text LIKE 'some%'
[21:50:59] <Duesentrieb>	ugh. like is evil :/
[21:53:09] <domas>	RoanKattouw: you understand which feature that index is for, right?
[21:53:31] <RoanKattouw>	domas: WHERE rev_user_text='Domas' ORDER BY rev_timestamp DESC ?
[21:53:38] <domas>	which feature is that?
[21:53:44] <RoanKattouw>	Special:Contributions
[21:54:31] <domas>	right. now, would the flipped index work for Special:Contributions?
[21:55:22] <RoanKattouw>	I don't know... maybe not. The question was whether flipping the index would cause any trouble
[21:56:02] <RoanKattouw>	And if it does, the question would change to whether we could create another index that's the other way around
[22:04:50] <jb2>	is there a good Mac or Windows client for editing wiki pages yet?
[22:06:27] <RoanKattouw>	jb2: Sure, it's called Firefox ;)
[22:07:20] <Duesentrieb>	there are also several bot frameworks
[22:07:34] <Duesentrieb>	why do you ask abotu Mac or Windows? Do you know of one for Linux?...
[22:07:51] <Duesentrieb>	most bots i know of should work cross-platform.
[22:19:38] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) use non-proprietary sitemap schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13527 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (jidanni)
[22:31:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) use non-proprietary sitemap schema - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13527  (10N/A)
[22:39:09] <jb2>	is there a tool which converts HTML into wiki-markup?
[22:39:22] <Soxred93>	AWB, and pywikipedia
[22:39:33] <Soxred93>	AWB is Wikipedia only, though
[22:39:52] <jb2>	pywikipedia isn't?
[22:40:05] <Soxred93>	It can work for other wikis very easily
[22:40:19] <jb2>	ok thanks
[22:49:51] <MinuteElectron>	AWB works on all wikis.
[22:52:11] <Soxred93>	Oh really?
[23:02:39] <Jonny88>	can somebody help me, I've just set up a wiki on my server and my Sysop password has gotten mangled somehow and I cannot log in as Sysop. Is there a way to retrieve the file?
[23:03:21] <MinuteElectron>	Soxred93: yep
[23:03:44] <BrokenArrow>	Jonny88: did you set an e-mail? if so, you can have a new one mailed to you. otherwise, you need DB access
[23:03:47] <MinuteElectron>	Soxred93: It definitely has more selections than Wikipedia, and I'm pretty sure you can enter a different path.
[23:04:18] <MinuteElectron>	Jonny88: If you have shell access you can run maintenace/resetPassword.php
[23:04:28] <Jonny88>	yes. but when I try reset it says 'no email set for user' I have shell and DB access
[23:05:52] <MinuteElectron>	Jonny88: If you have db access add a valid e-mail address to the users entry in the user table and send the reset e-mail.
[23:08:23] <Jonny88>	OK can you guide me through the mysql commands as I dnt have phpMyAdmin configured
[23:11:58] <Jonny88>	what is the name of the db for mediawiki?
[23:12:06] <MinuteElectron>	whatever you set it as
[23:12:13] <MinuteElectron>	"USE <dbanem>;"
[23:12:17] <Duesentrieb>	maintenace/resetPassword.php requires a mail address to be set? uh? why?
[23:12:29] <MinuteElectron>	Duesentrieb: he was tlaking to BrokenArrow 
[23:13:01] <MinuteElectron>	Jonny88: "UPDATE user SET user_email='new@address.com'"
[23:13:09] <MinuteElectron>	add a semi-color at the end of that
[23:13:12] <Duesentrieb>	ah, so was he i guess.
[23:13:35] <Duesentrieb>	but if it doesn, then why is he messing with mysql, if he cna just run maintenace/resetPassword?
[23:13:54] <MinuteElectron>	ok
[23:14:04] <MinuteElectron>	!resetpass
[23:14:04] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "resetpass".
[23:14:07] <MinuteElectron>	!password
[23:14:07] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "password". You might try: !passwordreset !passwordsql !secrets 
[23:14:13] <MinuteElectron>	!passwordreset | Jonny88 
[23:14:13] --mwbot--	Jonny88: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Password_Reset
[23:14:18] <MinuteElectron>	why?
[23:14:20] <MinuteElectron>	ffs
[23:14:27] <MinuteElectron>	ignore that
[23:14:37] <MinuteElectron>	!passwordsql | Jonny88 
[23:14:37] --mwbot--	Jonny88: UPDATE user SET user_password=MD5(CONCAT("12345-",MD5("password"))) WHERE user_id=12345;  This will reset the password for the user with user_id 12345.  Replace that with the desired ID (there are two places it's used in the query!).  If you know a user's name but need to find out their ID, use: SELECT user_id FROM user WHERE user_name='Bob Smith';
[23:19:05] <Jonny88>	User Sysop is empty :S
[23:19:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show warning when hash identical file exists - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13434  (10brion)
[23:19:19] <MinuteElectron>	Does Title::newFromText accept a pagename with a namespace prefix?
[23:19:57] <Soxred93>	Jonny88, it defaults to WikSysop, did you use that?
[23:19:58] <CIA-44>	03amidaniel * r32485 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiFormatYaml_spyc.php): API: (bug 11719) Remove trailing blanks in YAML output.
[23:20:12] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) YAML trailing blanks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11719  +comment (10cannon.danielc)
[23:21:51] <brion>	MinuteElectron: yep
[23:22:43] <brion>	mwbot's little message should be updated with a cleaner query -- use user_id field directly, don't look it up manually!
[23:23:04] <MinuteElectron>	thanks
[23:23:05] <Jonny88>	It's changed the pass for user 1 = WikiSysop but still throws an incorrect password error!
[23:23:11] <MinuteElectron>	brion: still to busy to look at a patch?
[23:23:19] <brion>	sow me
[23:23:20] <brion>	*show me
[23:23:49] <MinuteElectron>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=4768
[23:24:00] <brion>	MinuteElectron: show me the bug it goes to?
[23:24:02] <MinuteElectron>	Fixes a static function that calls non-static member variables.
[23:24:07] <MinuteElectron>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522
[23:24:32] <Jonny88>	Thanks, got it working now. Cheers for the help
[23:26:18] *brion 	looks
[23:26:52] <brion>	MinuteElectron: mMarkerSuffix is accessed in the preprocessor classes as well
[23:27:29] <MinuteElectron>	Ok, is this the right implementation though?
[23:27:44] <MinuteElectron>	I'll grep the code and fix any other references, if it is ok.
[23:27:49] <brion>	sounds reasonable offhand
[23:27:55] <MinuteElectron>	cool
[23:31:10] <MinuteElectron>	What is returned from Title::newFromText if a page with that title doesn't exist?
[23:32:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include Sitemaps file on wikimedia's robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9563  (10N/A)
[23:33:39] <t0lk>	in trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/
[23:33:47] <t0lk>	do all those sql files need to be run upon updating?
[23:34:24] <MinuteElectron>	t0lk: no
[23:34:26] <MinuteElectron>	t0lk: just update.php
[23:34:56] <t0lk>	I get a "You do not have permission for this request /maintenance/update.php "
[23:35:32] <MinuteElectron>	t0lk: you have to do it from the command line
[23:35:33] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[23:36:11] <MinuteElectron>	brion: Here's the updated patch, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=4772
[23:37:36] <t0lk>	ok thanks MinuteElectron
[23:47:32] <timetrek>	hey, i am trying to mod the skin of my wiki and i deleted the whole sidebar but there is still a empty space which shifts the content to the right. HOw can i get rid of it?
[23:48:46] <Duesentrieb>	timetrek: by adjusting a lot of css rules. the simplest thing would be not to start with monobok as a base at all. start with myskin.
[23:49:01] <timetrek>	thx
[23:50:59] <brion>	hmm
[23:51:00] <brion>	Fatal error: Undefined class constant 'MARK_SUFFIX' in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/includes/Parser.php on line 623
[23:51:07] <brion>	something ain't right :(
[23:51:33] <brion>	ah, let's fix and try again
[23:52:22] <brion>	  19 previously passing test(s) now FAILING! :(
[23:52:31] <brion>	ooooookay that don't look good
[23:53:30] <NicDumZ>	hehe.
[23:54:11] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[23:54:18] <NicDumZ>	How hard would it be, seriously, to set up a tool for continuous integration, that would run the tests for every revision ?
[23:54:54] <MinuteElectron>	brion: I guess my implementation isn't any good then.
[23:55:02] <brion>	NicDumZ: not that hard, i just ain't got round to it yet
[23:55:09] <brion>	used to have a daily one which was mildly annoying
[23:55:24] <domas>	NicDumZ: on the other hand, tests are covering very small part of code
[23:55:28] <Simetrical>	brion, how about it's a bot that hangs out here and spams a message every hour until someone fixes the regression?  :)
[23:55:52] <brion>	FIX YOUR COMMIT
[23:55:53] <brion>	FIX YOUR COMMIT
[23:55:55] <brion>	FIX YOUR COMMIT
[23:55:57] <brion>	like that?
[23:56:00] <snowolf>	lol
[23:56:06] <NicDumZ>	yes, domas, but a nice ironic mail ending in the mailbox of the commiter would be quite nice :þ
[23:56:08] <Simetrical>	Maaaybe.
[23:56:34] <Simetrical>	It would be un-annoying if it sent the mail as soon as it saw the problem, i.e., ran the tests after every commit.
[23:56:56] <Simetrical>	It could CC to the person who broke it if those @svn.wikimedia.org e-mail addresses worked.  :)
[23:57:49] <NicDumZ>	yes, that's how cruise control and alike tools usually work, after every commit. But I guess that such an approach would need more unit tests.
[23:57:52] <brion>	ah i see
[23:57:58] <brion>	wrong quote style on the constant :D
[23:58:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG image should have link to PNG version - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6834  (10alexander_berlin)
[23:58:35] <Simetrical>	It would need more unit tests to be very effective.
[23:58:45] <domas>	oh
[23:58:55] <Simetrical>	But at least it spots errors once in a while as-is.
[23:59:04] <domas>	didn't I brag here yet? I RULE SO MUCH THAT EARTH IS ALL HAPPY ABOUT HAVING ME!
[23:59:12] <NicDumZ>	ahah
[23:59:17] <domas>	after few hours of code traversing, I fixed a bug in mysql!
[23:59:17] <Simetrical>	Usually it's just someone forgot to change the tests, but occasionally it catches a real error, amazingly enough.