[00:00:36] brion: oh yeah, i see [00:00:38] 03brion * r32486 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [00:00:38] * (bug 13522) Fix fatal error in Parser::extractTagsAndParams [00:00:38] Patch by MinuteElectron - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=4772 with fixes [00:00:38] Replaces an instance variable with a constant, since it doesn't change, which is safe to access when the function is called statically from an outside class, as some extensions do. [00:00:51] What is all this trash that my college spams me with on a daily basis? [00:00:52] "Interracial Dating and Marriage Workshop and Discussion" [00:00:53] WTF. [00:00:57] brion: thank you [00:01:09] 03(FIXED) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522 +comment (10brion) [00:01:15] oh and brion, don't when to sound bothering (hurry-ing ? meh. English.), but... are you planning to add those new pywikipedia commiters soon ? :þ [00:01:21] don't want* [00:02:14] 03(mod) New Talk Page Option - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13262 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [00:02:34] Simetrical: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=25359 [00:02:42] Simetrical: this is incredibly funny testcase going wrong [00:02:43] :) [00:02:48] Simetrical: _TWICE_ [00:03:06] 03brion * r32487 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * (bug 13522) Fix fatal error in Parser::extractTagsAndParams [00:03:15] 03(mod) Fatal error in Parser:: extractTagsAndParams static method using $this - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13522 (10brion) [00:03:50] NicDumZ: in a bit :) [00:04:45] domas, we had test cases that used to fail for me because they checked that {{CURRENTMONTH}} == 1. [00:05:03] But to be fair, that was supposed to be set somewhere in the parser-tests generator thing, I think. [00:09:57] hmm, is this a browser issue or a site CSS issue - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/NoBorder.png [00:10:10] it only happens on a few random pages [00:10:29] what page? [00:10:52] that's on WP:RFA [00:11:08] not doing it for me [00:11:11] do you have firebug? [00:11:27] also on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Betacommand_2/Workshop [00:11:37] okay, probably a browser issue then [00:11:41] 03(mod) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271 (10cyp) [00:12:54] the border loads, then disappears once the page finishes loading [00:25:45] could someone please tell me which extension the RC bots on irc.wikimedia.org use? [00:26:07] They don't use an extension [00:26:15] [[m:CVN:Bots]] [00:26:30] ok, what are they using to make the bots. I'm talking about the ones on mediawiki.org [00:26:43] not the countervandal bots... [00:26:46] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot [00:27:06] I don't know how up to date that is [00:27:10] MrZ-man, thank you :) [00:28:53] MrZ-man: According to Tim the code hasn't been changed since they were introduced. [00:28:57] (IIRC) [00:29:20] yeah, I recall him saying something along those lines too [00:30:19] 03(mod) Include Sitemaps file on wikimedia's robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9563 (10N/A) [00:37:31] 03(NEW) Increase (or disable) $wgUploadSizeWarning for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (brianna.laugher) [00:47:09] 03(mod) Create user preference to always "ignore any warnings" when uploading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13514 (10N/A) [00:55:04] Is it possible to make a parser function not start a new paragraph? [00:57:01] 03(mod) Increase (or disable) $wgUploadSizeWarning for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 (10N/A) [01:00:24] does anyone know if it's possible to detect local and shared imagename conflicts in one api.php call ? [01:01:57] does anyone know if it's possible to detect local and shared imagename conflicts in one api.php call ? [01:02:03] *Werdna waves TimStarling [01:02:06] oops [01:02:07] just woke up, eh? :P [01:02:49] maybe an hour and a half ago, not exactly early [01:03:03] an hour and a half ago... I was just finishing my physics paper [01:03:56] ah. Well for me it's time to sleep :þ [01:05:32] 03(mod) Include Sitemaps file on wikimedia's robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9563 (10N/A) [01:12:00] 03(mod) Increase (or disable) $wgUploadSizeWarning for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 +comment (10tstarling) [01:12:01] btw, backward compatibility was broken in api.php with list=categorymembers (now uses "cmtitle" instead of "cmcategory" and requires "Category:" prepended to the argument) [01:12:10] dunno if that as intended or not... kind of snuck up on me :P [01:13:09] *thedj is converting nav popups to api.php :D [01:17:13] hey [01:17:36] im using the wikipdf extension, which obviously uses a function thats removed in 1.11 [01:17:37] wfImageDir() [01:17:52] anyone knows if there is a new function for it? [01:19:56] *AaronSchulz congratulates TimStarling on the good news :) [01:21:12] baby? [01:24:10] what should the permissions on the config directory be? [01:30:02] Alright, someone hacked my sysop account, banned me, and took away my priveleges... How can I assign another Bureaucrat? :/ [01:30:18] (I have ssh and root and full DB access) [01:35:23] 03tstarling * r32488 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/DefaultSettings.php): [01:35:23] Set $wgUploadSizeWarning to false by default. The warning only makes sense in [01:35:23] the context of pre-upload downscaling to limit download sizes for the benefit of [01:35:23] readers on dialup connections, a reason which has been obsolete since the [01:35:24] introduction of server-side scaling. [01:37:33] hm [01:37:43] is there a working pdf exporter for mediawiki 1.11+? [01:41:25] Brs? [01:41:52] 03(FIXED) Increase (or disable) $wgUploadSizeWarning for Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13528 (10tstarling) [01:53:52] 03(NEW) Robots.txt entry for en.wp // OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13529 normal; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (ral315) [01:55:32] 14(DUP) Robots.txt entry for en.wp // OTRS - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13529 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [01:55:34] 03(mod) Add bot generated spam reports on enwiki to robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13398 +comment (10mrzmanwiki) [01:56:05] <^demon> Blast you. [01:56:10] <^demon> I was in the middle of doing that. [01:56:33] :) [01:56:52] <^demon> Mid-air collision detected :-P [01:56:54] <^demon> Fun error. [01:57:10] <^demon> I vote for a change in the MW language files for edit conflicts :-P [01:59:26] ^demon: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Editconflict&action=edit&redlink=1 [02:03:26] <^demon> MrZ-man: I know, I'm just deciding whether the community would like it :-P [02:03:59] since when do they matter? :) [02:04:48] <^demon> (Is at a loss for a witty reply) [02:04:52] <^demon> I'm tired, I apologize. [02:05:34] no excuses! [02:23:49] 03(mod) Add bot generated spam reports on enwiki to robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13398 (10ral315) [02:27:53] 03(NEW) Apple-touch-icon on WM2008 site has wrong link and does not exist at all - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13530 trivial; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (danny_b) [02:31:42] I want to have the same header for all pages created on my wiki. Anyone do this before? [02:32:40] where is the new 404 page located in svn? i can't find it [02:38:21] hi k4jcw [02:38:40] Hello. [02:43:10] I want to add a banner to the top of every content page currently created and for any future creations, anyone ever done this before? [02:44:42] Special:Sitenotice? [02:45:19] Soxred93: i think you mean MediaWiki:Sitenotice :) [02:45:23] Soxred93 - That automatically adds a banner to every page? [02:45:28] Whatever [02:45:43] Topsy: check out [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] , it does exactly that [02:46:12] Nice [02:46:17] Thanks yall [02:46:20] What wikis do you guys run? [02:47:19] I run my own test wiki, but mostly use Wikipedia [02:47:26] My test wiki is for developing MediaWiki [02:47:35] im an all-around global wikia gnome, and I revert stuff on Wp at work during downtime [02:47:50] lol nice [03:00:24] I've a question about URL links in articles. Is there a way to cause the link to open in a new window, like a TARGET="_top" in a regular HTML link? [03:01:10] You could do it with JavaScript. [03:01:52] 03(FIXED) Class of users that can rollback but have no other admin rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3317 +comment (10Phoenixoverride) [03:01:57] Nothing that's less akin to having a root canal? [03:02:36] You could hack the HTML directly into the parser. :p [03:02:55] Nerds. [03:02:57] That does seem less painful. My dislike for Javascript is rather... intense. [03:03:43] the way you feel about JS, i feel about sites that force me to open links in a new window [03:04:22] Since my site is for me, I don't see it as a problem. In fact, it's less annoying than hitting the back button. [03:05:41] Yo guys [03:46:17] am i just not observant enough or is monobook/user.gif not displaying [04:17:47] kirby: the icon by the username? [04:17:54] ya [04:18:09] there was a discussion a while back about removing it on enwiki due to concerns about systemic bias (it seems to be a white male) [04:18:21] someone must have done it [04:18:44] 9_9 [04:19:10] still shows for me though [04:19:28] oh wait there it goes, must have been a cache thing while i wasn't logged in [04:19:33] anyway, goodnight [04:19:53] [[WP:VPP#Image:User.gif: unintended bias?]] [04:24:54] 03shinjiman * r32489 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [04:24:54] * Update Chinese translations [04:24:54] * Update Cantonese translations [04:24:54] * Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations [04:51:42] how do you insert quotes with the images of quotes? [05:21:33] 03(WONTFIX) Include Sitemaps file on wikimedia's robots.txt - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9563 +comment (10jeluf) [05:40:47] Is there any reason we don't support the MySQLi Connector? [05:41:01] what is the benefit of supporting both? [05:41:39] compatibility with servers only configured for one... And compatibility with future versions of php [05:42:28] usually i would not believe that someone would remove a widely used API as mysql until a very long time in the future, but then, with PHP you never know... [05:43:07] Well, it may not be removed, however depreciated is a high probability [05:43:15] (deprecated :) [05:43:19] i'm not sure that's a problem [05:43:40] Check the php manual lately? [05:44:01] about what? [05:45:51] The mysqlnd driver [05:46:10] what about it? [05:46:20] Odd question. Why is Mediawiki's directory on the svn called "phase3"? [05:46:38] because it's the third version of the Wikipedia software - Phase III [05:47:28] originally that was all it was called, then it got an actual name, and even version numbers [05:53:52] 03shinjiman * r32490 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_hans.php MessagesZh_hant.php): [05:53:52] * Update Chinese translations [05:53:52] provided by PhiLiP [06:03:25] flyingparchment: http://blog.ulf-wendel.de/?p=131 [06:04:20] The libmysql which the mysql and mysqli drivers are currently built against are part of MySQL [06:04:59] so they are removing it? [06:05:39] However, the new mysqlnd driver is a native driver for php, it's the new engine being used in PHP 6 [06:06:05] i don't see how that's relevant, it says this won't affect users [06:06:15] Unlike the old engines it doesn't require MySQL to be installed on the machine you compile php on if you want mysql support [06:06:24] It's also been backported to php5 for mysqli [06:06:31] Actually, here's the thing [06:07:56] For PHP5 we have mysql, mysqli, and PDO MySQL all using libmysql [06:08:32] However mysqlnd is only for mysqli and PDO MySQL [06:13:39] Bleh... well for now it looks like I'm going to have to recompile php yet again with the mysql options [06:17:05] morning [07:10:36] hehehe [07:10:41] safari 3.1: http://flake.defau.lt/safdev.png [07:11:19] slow site [07:12:30] yup [07:12:37] ah, reloaded and it worked [07:16:36] 03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10overlordq) [07:16:37] 03(NEW) Install script for PostgreSQL broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13531 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (overlordq) [07:17:05] 03(mod) Install script for PostgreSQL broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13531 (10overlordq) [07:26:31] 03(mod) Install script for PostgreSQL broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13531 +comment (10overlordq) [07:38:31] 03raymond * r32491 10/trunk/extensions/Makesysop/SpecialMakesysop.i18n.php: Remove unused message 'user_rights_set' [07:56:31] 03(NEW) Reverting Images broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13532 major; normal; MediaWiki: Database; (overlordq) [07:56:34] 03(mod) PostgreSQL support (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384 (10overlordq) [08:20:14] hy [08:20:18] http://webkit.org/blog/173/webkit-achieves-acid3-100100-in-public-build/ [08:58:44] users can't save preferences. what could go wrong here? any hints? [09:00:09] on what wiki? [09:00:51] TimStarling: are you talking to me? [09:01:11] you mean wiki site or wiki program? [09:02:18] I mean what wiki site [09:03:07] wiki.gentoo-cn.org [09:03:38] TimStarling: btw i have disabled creating account [09:04:22] TimStarling: if you would like to help me to trouble shoot, i can enable it for you [09:06:23] I was just making sure it's not a wikimedia wiki [09:06:46] I've got enough troubles of my own at the moment that I don't need to go looking for other people's as well [09:07:39] TimStarling: fair enough [09:12:46] <_wooz> lo [09:20:49] helo [10:00:37] why does monobook not seem to work with php5? [10:00:53] doesn't it? [10:01:05] I thought we don't even support php4 nowadays [10:01:52] well.. i tried an upgrade earlier, and it said monobook was not usd coz there was some problem with PHPTAL and PHP5 or something like that. i cant actually remember fully, coz i reverted my VM [10:02:19] phptal? [10:02:23] which version are you using?!!? :) [10:02:27] i have no clue [10:02:39] well... im upgrading 1.3.6 to 1.12 :P hahaha [10:02:45] hah [10:03:43] anyways. i got it semi working - layout jst lookd a bit messed. im trying it again now... but having some problems: [10:04:48] i had a clean system with mysql, php4, apache2 installed. (trying to setup the current state of the wiki on a VM) [10:05:02] so ive copied the database in as well. and it worx. [10:05:18] good morning [10:05:38] ive now copied the entire wiki into the Apache dir too. but... wen i go to index.php, it says "not found" [10:05:43] "page not found" [10:06:41] @rewolf: what you use? XAMPP? [10:08:53] just independant installs of mysql 4.x php4 apache2 [10:09:20] thats the current system that im trying to reproduce on a VM [10:09:39] have you change the php-config-inis? [10:09:43] so that i can test an upgrade to 1.12 (currently 1.3.6) [10:09:50] 03raymond * r32492 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/ (Cite.i18n.php Cite.php): [10:09:50] * Fix a PHP notice when is used but "foo" is not defined by any . New message 'cite_error_references_invalid_group' [10:09:50] * Add new message 'cite_error_references_invalid_parameters_group' to clarify error message when $wgAllowCiteGroups=true (default) [10:09:50] * Rephrase 'cite_error_references_no_backlink_label' a bit to make it clearer that 'cite_references_link_many_format_backlink_labels' is a MediaWiki message [10:10:33] lol [10:13:17] You need php5 [10:13:35] SunBlack, which ini's are u referring to? LocalSettings? if my question is stupid its coz ive known about wiki's for 2 days [10:13:43] no [10:13:47] php.ini [10:13:56] in the root of your php directory, usually [10:13:57] MinuteElectron: I know, but i first want to reproduce the current system [10:14:00] ok [10:14:04] but its not there [10:14:11] make a new file [10:14:17] in your webroot [10:14:20] called info.php [10:14:22] with: [10:14:27] actually [10:14:35] +?> ;) [10:14:39] SunBlack: nope [10:14:54] SunBlack: that doesn't help and is optional [10:14:55] php is wroking [10:15:04] already checked that [10:15:13] then what's the problem [10:15:21] @rewolf: look here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation there you see, that you need php5 and not php 4;) [10:15:37] SunBlack: he's trying to reproduce the original 1.3 system [10:15:38] wen i go to http://localhost/wiki/index.php (which exists) I get "Page not found" [10:15:48] SunBlack: i presume then he'll do the php upgrade [10:15:53] ya i will [10:15:55] ah k [10:16:40] rewolf: Is there any reason you can't just duplicate the files on the original system and test the upgrade there? [10:18:25] coz the database might screw up, couldnt it? [10:18:58] this is wat i was advised to do by my 'boss' [10:19:07] then duplicate the datbaase too [10:19:59] it would be far easier to: 1) duplicate the directory and database 2) update the configuration for the duplicated version 3) perform the upgrade on the duplicated version 4) perform the upgrade on the non-duplicate version [10:22:35] Mh, I got an odd problem. I'm accessing &action=delete via AJAX but my deletion reasons are prefixed with ": " since I cannot select "other reasons" … I thought "&wpDeleteReasonList=other" would help but it doesn't [10:22:43] MinuteElectron: I agree with you, but if I accidentally dont change a reference to the original database, and it screws out, then i get beaten with a golf club. haha [10:22:57] 0) Backup [10:23:15] There is one reference $wgDBname [10:23:19] that is all [10:24:03] ok awesome.. ill run it by him wen he's back from lunch and tehn try it [10:24:11] ok [10:27:53] Is it possible for a parser function to be inline rather than creating a new paragraph? [10:32:03] Also, is there a way for my extension to update the pagelinks\imagelinks\externallinks table without doing manual SQL queries? [10:36:38] I dont understand how they got the url to look so nice http://server-pc/wiki/Main_Page [10:37:32] !shorturl [10:37:32] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [10:37:51] thanks dude [10:43:16] 03raymond * r32493 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Use proper XML functions for upload warning, prettify a bit. [10:52:19] 03siebrand * r32494 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki [10:59:53] Hi guys. how would you repurpose mediawiki as a collaborative project planning tool? [11:00:29] i don't like the way there's no default document index in the wiki,, you go to the page, and you have to search for pages,,, that's not really what i would call idea. [11:00:31] ideal. [11:00:50] huh? default document index? [11:00:57] like... what? Special:Allpages? [11:00:57] i like search, but when it's a small environment with 2 or so people, i indexes of documents, [11:01:06] use categories then [11:01:10] Duesentrieb, ah,, ok,, i didn't know about that [11:01:19] !categories [11:01:19] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories [11:01:27] but most of all: link pages. [11:01:40] you can also list incomming links [11:01:46] watch changes to linked pages, etc [11:02:27] what does that have to do with project planning? for that i would have expected questions about some calendaring plugin... [11:02:29] hey i want to change my server, is there a tool for saving my complete wiki? [11:02:41] !backup | bango [11:02:41] --mwbot-- bango: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki [11:02:45] !move | bango [11:02:45] --mwbot-- bango: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki [11:02:55] thanks :) [11:03:15] i mustn install the wikisoftware again on the new server? [11:03:51] huh? if you want to use it, it has to be there, no? [11:03:58] but simply copying it is sufficient [11:04:25] you may have to adjust some pathes in the config, and maybe the db name, user, password, etc - see the manual. [11:04:47] okay :) [11:08:05] Is there a way for my extension to update the pagelinks\imagelinks\externallinks table without doing manual SQL queries? [11:08:15] Is it possible for a parser function to be inline rather than creating a new paragraph? [11:35:12] 03(mod) Special pages: Allow using templates / adding interwiki links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13489 (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [11:35:42] where is the new 404 page located in svn? [11:36:12] what new 404 page? it looks the same to me [11:48:24] 04(REOPENED) Do not SUBST: namespace names (etc.) in user preferences signature. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13480 +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia) [12:03:48] Is there a way to include pipes in parser function parameter values with the new pp? [12:09:44] flyingparchment: the new one redirecting to the /wiki/$1 [12:09:53] that is not new [12:10:06] hmm, i never seen it until yesterday [12:10:18] anyway, where can i find it? [12:10:52] My installation of mediawiki loads very slowly from the server. Contacted their tech support and they said that their computers were operating as they should. Anyone have any ideas how I might be able to speed things up, or any ideas as to what might be slowing things down? [12:11:10] i don't think it's in svn [12:11:30] 03aaron * r32495 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/ (CheckUser_body.php cu_log.pg.sql cu_log_import.inc): Fix sequence typos [12:12:11] 03siebrand * r32496 10/trunk/extensions/Cite/Cite.i18n.php: para name in quotes [12:17:55] why doesn't monobook skin work? [12:18:42] why is my car broken? [12:19:03] bleak. mine broke last week [12:19:12] i feel ur pain [12:21:00] 03(NEW) Create new namespace in scn.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13533 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (nnico) [12:30:52] 04(REOPENED) Special:Reviewedpages has one level too many - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13506 +comment (10pbirken) [12:55:56] could someone tell me wat pear is? [12:57:36] google could [12:57:44] or wikipedia [12:57:50] A pear is a pomaceous fruit produced by a tree of genus Pyrus [12:57:52] hehe [12:57:59] yum [12:58:06] rewolf: try PEAR [13:01:11] Duesentrieb, I doubt that searches are case sensitive :) [13:01:34] lch: i know that title search is case sensitive. [13:01:42] try "pear php", rewolf [13:01:51] which is what is triggered when you hit enter on the search box. [13:01:57] in wikipedia [13:01:59] not on google [13:02:33] try "PHP Extension and Application Repository" [13:02:40] lch: btw, the first google hit for pear is in fact the php meaning. at least for me (how much does google personalize the results?...) [13:03:56] rewolf: modern mediawiki doesn't really need pear [13:04:01] rewolf: review your localsettings :) [13:04:33] Hi guys [13:05:56] <_elemental> ello [13:07:13] Im trying to have quotes on pages where there are images of the actual " on either side of the text. I viewed the source of the Cquote template fom wikipedia but on my wiki I get the images of the " but also a lot of excess code shows up. Why is this? [13:07:45] <_elemental> no clue [13:10:05] How do you go about getting templates from wikipedia? Do you just view the source? [13:10:27] yes [13:10:36] PamelaC5: or try using Special:Export [13:11:53] jlerner - So I want to be able to have quotes like this on my pages -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cquote2 [13:11:54] Duesentrieb: we are using TitleKey extension, so "Go" is no longer case sensitive [13:12:05] How exactly do I do those on my wiki? [13:12:33] rainman-sr: hm... wasn't it a case-sensitive search with a fallback to case-insiensitive? [13:12:43] maybe not. [13:12:57] !templates | PamelaC5 [13:12:57] --mwbot-- PamelaC5: For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions and enabling HTML Tidy . [13:13:13] PamelaC5: copy the content of that template to your wiki [13:13:18] 03(mod) Add MagicNoNumberedHeadings + PSINoTocNum Extensions in kshwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11216 (10mvdRoehe) [13:13:23] and all templates it uses [13:13:24] it doesn't look like it relies on any other templates... [13:13:27] and install all extensions it uses [13:13:37] and make sure you have all options right [13:13:47] jlerner: yea, just generally. [13:14:01] she lucked out and picked a [13:14:05] "simple" one [13:14:07] what people try to copy most often are infoboxes. [13:14:12] which are probably also the most complex [13:15:20] So is this all the the code I copy (in the field) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Cquote2&action=edit [13:15:32] y [13:15:43] And I paste it into my wiki as a Cquote2 template? [13:16:15] sure [13:16:23] you can call it whatever you want, might as well give it the same name [13:16:36] go to Template:Cquote2 on your wiki [13:16:41] and click edit [13:16:43] And how do I find out if it's using extensions to operate and what those extensions are? [13:16:58] just see if it works first [13:17:08] it may need ParserFunctions at the bot noted above [13:20:04] Hmm, and it also requires a bit of CSS customization and some images, as cquote2 is not a style class that coems with default CSS/skins. [13:23:39] hmmm.... k.. im upgrading my wiki, and now tried to run teh web installation again (after copying the new files over). but wenever I click on "Setup the wiki first", it adds another /config/index.php so i have ..../config/config/config/config/index.php and still teh page "You must set up the wiki first" [13:29:43] sounds like aliasing or a rewrite rule problem [13:30:14] oh is it? thort it had something to do with short naming thing [13:30:25] k... i have no clue how it works, but ill investigate [13:30:27] thanks [13:30:41] a loop would cause it to do that kind of thing [13:31:04] where it resolves ../config as -> ../config/config -> ../config/config/config, etc. [13:31:06] well it only adds one /config/ per time i click the link [13:31:45] 03simetrical * r32497 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: I don't know what problems in Special:Log r26850 was referring to (more context, please?), but without delimiters, multiword renames can be confusing. [13:31:54] The Parser worked! Yay! Thanks guys! [13:37:32] Can I submit my own list of URLs to api.php? [13:37:32] its the only thing that comes to mind. because if it wasn't that I doubt you'd be taken back to the same page [13:37:41] s/URLs/page names/ [13:37:57] yes [13:38:36] hi how can I make MySkin the default skin for the wiki [13:38:43] just type in whateveryourwikidomainis.tld/api.php without anything to get the help for it [13:38:56] I currently went to Preferences page and select skin and select MySkin but when I logout it returns to the default monobook [13:39:39] JZA: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDefaultSkin [13:40:24] I was looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query_-_Lists but didn't find it there [13:42:11] well that is probably not as complete as the help automatically displayed when you use /api.php for the domain without passing anything [13:42:28] or as up to date [13:42:55] darkcode: thanks however it just tells me that the defaultskin is saved on the $wgDefaultSkin, doesnt tell me how to change it [13:43:06] or details on where to find that variable [13:43:18] you change it in your LocalSettings.php [13:43:32] thanks [13:44:23] [[mw:LocalSettings.php]] [13:44:45] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/LocalSettings.php [13:45:05] someone really should create a bot that makes full links out of interwiki ones [13:48:42] hmmm, does anyone know wether there is an equivalant to proxylang in api.php ? [13:49:32] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 +comment (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [13:50:32] Wiredtape: a bot like that is active on several channels, we even had it here, but it got annoying. [13:50:42] anyway... [13:50:51] !mw LocalSettings.php | Wiredtape [13:50:51] --mwbot-- Wiredtape: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=LocalSettings.php&go=Go [13:51:13] or just: [13:51:15] !config [13:51:15] --mwbot-- All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , [13:53:06] hmm shouldn't that made clearer as to let people know while the defaults are in DefaultSettings.php, you shouldn't change the defaults there? [13:54:55] 03catrope * r32498 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php: Fixing E_NOTICE [13:55:28] 03catrope * r32499 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryInfo.php: Oops [13:55:40] grah, i wish catrope was on IRC.. but roan doesn't seem to be a big fan of IRC [13:56:25] thedj: email exists. [13:56:34] yeah, i hate email :D [13:57:22] send a mail saying "roan, get your lazy ass on freenode!" [13:57:31] haha [14:01:58] Duesentrieb, good to know, thx [14:03:34] 03ialex * r32500 10/trunk/phase3/includes/AuthPlugin.php: Fixed E_STRICT for CentralAuth extension [14:05:10] *Simetrical giggles at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ClickFix [14:09:50] Oh, man, people can be awesomely creative sometimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Px&action=edit [14:10:00] Using #iferror to check data types. :D [14:10:31] hello [14:11:14] im searching documentation about special page RecentChangesLinked, is any body can help me ? [14:12:25] 03siebrand * r32501 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser.i18n.php: Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki [14:12:37] bayo__O: yes [14:12:41] bayo__O, what documentation do you need? It should be self-explanatory. [14:12:47] Well, mostly. :) [14:13:25] technical, i would to know if it use come cache [14:14:06] because i create some link, but are not watched by the page [14:14:41] *i would like to know if it use some cache [14:14:49] DOes anyone know how to make inline parser functions (i.e. make a custom parser function not cause a new paragraph to start)? [14:15:23] MinuteElectron: does your function return wikitext or html? [14:15:26] hello ialex :) [14:15:56] Duesentrieb: HTML [14:16:10] bayo__O, it doesn't seem like it's cached, no. [14:16:19] 03mkroetzsch * r32502 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): Fixed data updates on page movement [14:16:21] but maybe Squids yes [14:16:26] Could be wrong. [14:16:41] Not sure we'd bother to cache something like that with the Squids. [14:16:44] Do we? [14:16:47] MinuteElectron: at least with traditional parser hooks, tehre's a problem with the returned html not being protected against subsequent block-level processing. [14:16:53] Maybe. [14:17:18] can I send api.php?titles=foo|bar as POST parameters rather than URL encoded? [14:17:23] Duesentrieb: :( I can't use wikitext because the whole point of my parser function is to work-around something that cannot be done in wikitext. [14:17:23] MinuteElectron: so, make sure there are no linebreaks in your html, and no leading or trailing whitespace. or use some substitution hack. [14:17:33] ok, I'll see [14:17:50] hmm... maybe that's a generic PHP truth rather than Mediawiki specific [14:18:00] MinuteElectron: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_can_I_avoid_modification_of_my_extension.27s_HTML_output.3F [14:18:25] tanks [14:19:39] Feh, I guess I should fix bug 13500. [14:19:53] !b 13500 [14:19:53] --mwbot-- http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13500 [14:25:18] could make pxpx images work while also displaying an annoying error message so people will fix it [14:28:12] nope [14:28:15] 03mkroetzsch * r32503 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/SMW_Hooks.php: use new move function [14:28:25] darkcode, nah, may as well just support it. [14:28:56] the idea would be to give people time to fix it before it becomes disallowed [14:29:05] like other things have been done in the recent past [14:32:34] Why disallow it, ultimately? [14:32:40] Easier not to. [14:32:52] wtf is pxpx supposed to do? [14:33:15] 03simetrical * r32504 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Parser.php: [14:33:15] (bug 13500) For backward compatibility, permit "pxpx" and similar constructs to [14:33:15] be used for specifying image sizes. This could use some parser tests, maybe, [14:33:15] but I'm not sure those give correct results on my machine, so probably not worth [14:33:15] it for me to try. [14:33:28] Duesentrieb, see bug 13500. [14:33:43] !bug 13500 [14:33:43] --mwbot-- http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13500 [14:33:49] 03(FIXED) Improper scaling of images sized with "pxpx" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13500 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:33:55] bah [14:34:59] Simetrical: that doesn't tell me why people but "pxpx" there. they might as well write ppppiiixxx or gnrfnmpf [14:35:31] Duesentrieb, templates. [14:35:38] {{template|height=150px}} [14:35:41] Er, width, whatever. [14:35:45] uh. i see. kind of. [14:35:52] Template:Template: [[Image:Foo.png|{{{height}}}px]] [14:35:59] yea, i understand [14:35:59] Thousands of those, all over Wikipedia. [14:36:16] >_< [14:36:17] Breaking and causing the proletariat to call for the developers' blood. [14:36:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:ClickFix [14:38:00] Just a question, why did Tim do it? [14:38:03] I did it. [14:38:07] Tim fixed what I did. :) [14:38:10] Well, wait. [14:38:14] Didn't I commit your patch for that? [14:38:17] Yes [14:38:21] Then he *fixed* it [14:38:25] So then . . . what? [14:38:33] Because it was broken, it made bad assumptions. [14:38:39] Assumed everything was a core image parameter. [14:38:46] The pxpx thing would have happened either way. [14:38:51] Ah. [14:39:00] As he said somewhere, it would have broken certain OGG params, etc. [14:39:08] On the commit caption [14:39:08] Some params expected non-numeric values. [14:40:46] so does it only happen for images with height _and_ width parameters? [14:40:47] Is anyone else noticing slowness on www.mediawiki.org as well? [14:40:57] Yes [14:41:03] Slowness when submitting edits that is [14:41:13] Soxred93, no, it's a problem for just width, too. [14:41:47] Then why did only the image with height and width skew up on my userpage? [14:41:51] it happens with a template has px in it, and someone uses the template and uses px in the template parameter resulting in pxpx [14:42:02] Aha [14:43:42] could just as easily happen with anything including styles like style="{{{height}}}px", someone passes |height=10px [14:44:15] resulting in 10pxpx [14:44:48] Yes, I understand that now [14:45:45] is there anyway to distinguish in php, the difference between a user's edit, and one made via an extension calling $article->doEdit() ? [14:46:08] I don't really see a point in allowing those exceptions, like which is right do you interpret 10empx as 10em or 10px? [14:46:19] jlerner: Depends where [14:46:25] jlerner: Where are you gonna test that? [14:46:44] darkcode: For consistency with the use case, 10em [14:46:46] darkcode, image width is only specifiable in pixels, because the server needs to know how to scale it. [14:46:52] So the case is irrelevant. [14:46:53] OH [14:47:12] RoanKattouw: i have an extension called SpecialCardAction.php [14:47:16] Simetrical I provided a case in which it had nothing to do with images [14:47:25] <^demon> Simetrical: I'm not fully understanding this. So people used pxpx (stupidly) and wondered why it didn't work....so now...what? [14:47:44] jlerner: My question really was: do you wanna test that at edit time or after the edit [14:47:47] darkcode, well, that's not behavior people have been relying on for years. The CSS processor will just ignore the rule as malformed, and that's their problem. [14:48:05] RoanKattouw: could be either [14:48:06] ^demon, it always used to work, because we just did intval( $value ) (where $value is whatever comes before the ending "px"). [14:48:12] it's ok if the edit goes through [14:48:16] i just want to know about it [14:48:22] <^demon> Simetrical: Aaaaah, gotcha. [14:48:23] or the edit could fail, that would be fine too [14:48:23] Then type-checking was added and a huge number of template usages broke. [14:48:40] jlerner: Is it *your* extension that makes the edit? [14:48:51] the edit that i want to permit, yes [14:49:03] it's a "user" edit that i want to prevent or at least know about [14:49:27] jlerner: You wanna know whether a page was edited in the meantime? [14:49:33] Use timestamps then [14:50:13] no, i just want to know if the user's edit changed the page in a certain way [14:50:19] <^demon> Simetrical: Still silly...I don't know why anyone would write pxpx and /expect/ it to work, regardless of if it actually does. [14:50:45] ^demon, they didn't. They used a template. [14:50:45] RoanKattouw: i don't suppose i could use an edit flag [14:50:45] people _don't_ write 'pxpx' [14:50:49] Lots and lots and lots of templates [14:50:50] jlerner: Between when and when? [14:50:50] . [14:50:55] I think its a case of if (edit == self) { do one thing } else { do another } [14:50:56] they write 'px' and it unexpectedly gets another 'px' added without them realising it [14:51:02] <^demon> Simetrical: Templates don't excuse silly behavior. [14:51:18] 03aaron * r32505 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Treat levels as cumulative [14:51:26] RoanKattouw: want to know if the user made a certain change - against the previous rev [14:51:32] Right [14:51:38] If we had been doing this from the beginning, I'd agree, but BC should be kept in mind. [14:51:39] Then get the text for both revs and compare them [14:51:50] 03(FIXED) Special:Reviewedpages has one level too many - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13506 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [14:51:56] <^demon> Simetrical: True. [14:51:56] right - but i need to be able to distinguish between unauthorized user edits [14:52:01] and authorized edits by the extension [14:52:15] i guess i could look at the log message [14:52:29] <^demon> jlerner: You could disable editing, and then allow editing through the extension only? [14:52:35] *^demon is just thinking out loud [14:52:42] RoanKattouw: why has http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=interwikimap local="" on prefixes that are not local ? [14:52:47] ^demon: can't do that - most edits are ok [14:52:54] ialex: I don't know; it doesn't happen on my install [14:53:11] <^demon> jlerner: What exactly does your extension do (in terms of deciding if it's a good edit/bad edit?) [14:53:17] RoanKattouw: it only happens when mixing local and non-local prefixes [14:53:19] the extension doesn't do anything [14:53:30] it edits the page in a particular way [14:53:31] e.g. [14:53:36] ialex: I know, I tried to reproduce it, but failed [14:53:50] jlerner: I'm afraid it's not really possible [14:54:00] Other than looking at the log message [14:54:02] RoanKattouw: the extension makes edits like this - http://organizedwisdom.com/index.php?title=Scar_Revision&curid=7781&diff=55652&oldid=55376&rcid=73445 [14:54:09] i could look at the log message [14:54:40] crap [14:55:12] <^demon> jlerner: So the extension makes those edits. What's considered a "bad" edit? [14:55:26] ^demon: if that part of the article is changed by a user [14:55:31] which they do sometimes [14:55:48] it's moving to the db where it belongs, but in the meantime... [14:56:10] users should only change that part of the article via the extension [14:56:20] <^demon> Hmmm. [14:56:50] i'll check the log on each edit, and have it complain to me if it suspects a problem, that should be fine [14:57:10] <^demon> That would have to work, other than that unless you /always/ had it in the same section (and could block edits via section #, which is really hacky and generally a bad idea), I don't see how it could be done. [14:58:12] not via an edit flag? [14:58:32] you could hook into every edit and if its changed inappropriately fix it? [14:58:33] jlerner: What's an edit flag? [14:58:41] good q - i'm looking at Article.php [14:58:49] e.g. * EDIT_AUTOSUMMARY [14:58:49] * Fill in blank summaries with generated text where possible [14:59:06] it's the 3 and last argument to Article::doEdit() [14:59:13] <^demon> jlerner: I guess you could grab the submitted text, and if it matches a pattern (ie: what you don't want them to edit), you could block the edit. [14:59:22] or fix it [14:59:28] it would be nice to be able to do this "wrong" thing the "right" way ;-) [14:59:56] ^demon: right, but how do i distinguish between the user doing it directly, and the user doing it via the extension? [15:00:24] maybe http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleSave [15:00:59] <^demon> jlerner: Give me a second, I'm going to whip up some pseudocode and throw it in a pastebin to get my idea across. [15:01:02] jterner if its suppose to always be in a certain place does it really mater? because your extension will insure its in the right place [15:01:04] cool [15:01:39] maybe i'll try adding define( 'EDIT_EXTENSIONEDIT, 128 ); to Defines.php [15:02:24] er, to LocalSettings.php [15:03:01] maybe there is a way you could temporally disable the save hook while your saving the edit or a function/method you could call to save which don't trigger the save hook [15:03:33] HM [15:03:34] hm [15:03:39] 03aaron * r32506 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Revert - not needed and will slow things [15:03:59] but that might be a bad way too [15:04:09] since it wouldn't play nice with other extensions [15:04:54] 03(mod) Special:Reviewedpages has one level too many - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13506 (10JSchulz_4587) [15:05:03] hi, where can i find the list of extensions installed on wikipedia? [15:05:11] yuss, Special:Version [15:05:11] <^demon> jlerner: http://pastey.net/84480 [15:05:14] maybe you could add a static section to the page which can't be edited by normal means [15:05:43] interesting [15:05:57] <^demon> Basically, doEdit() hooks into the normal edit function. Before it gets sent to that, process it via your extension. [15:06:11] <^demon> If it's a good edit, pass a key of some sort, otherwise, don't. [15:06:17] gotcha [15:06:18] then you wouldn't have to worry about them editing it [15:06:22] let me try... [15:07:27] <^demon> darkcode: You could put those sections in the MW namespace and trancslude them, but that would get messy :-P [15:07:36] yah, thought about that ;-) [15:07:46] like if you could have your extension add it before or after the page is processed http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/OutputPageBeforeHTML [15:07:56] true [15:08:12] <^demon> Also, back to the MW namespace idea, it doesn't have to be necessarily bad. [15:08:18] hey [15:08:22] <^demon> [[MediaWiki:Extensionname/pagename]] [15:08:29] demon I was thinking more like you have the extension add the html markup for it where you want it to go in the extension and use whatever you want as the source for that info [15:08:31] <^demon> And have the extension process from /pagename [15:08:39] is there a way to change the footer text? like This page has been accessed x times ? [15:08:45] <^demon> darkcode: True. [15:08:45] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 (10wikipedia.kawaii.neko) [15:08:48] 03(mod) Request for New User Group to be created, to create account Requests. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13498 +comment (10soxred93) [15:09:26] phrearch, depends what you want to change it too. it's probably some sort of message [15:09:34] look for it in Special:Allmessages [15:09:53] cool thanks [15:10:27] by having your content outside the edit page area you don't have to worry about it being editable outside your extension [15:10:27] ^demon, darkcode, and roan who left; thanks for the ideas [15:10:55] i'll let you know how it turns out ;-) [15:10:56] I found another bug with SUL [15:11:00] can be a header for instance if that is what you want [15:12:19] What, exactly, happens when I click on 'edit' that "Српско-Hrvatski. コリチンク" is suddenly transformed into ??????-Hrvatski. [15:12:22] ????? [15:12:24] bleh. [15:12:28] Now that sucks :) [15:12:29] 03ialex * r32507 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php: Don't show local="" if the interwiki isn't local [15:13:41] yes, that worked [15:13:43] thanks [15:13:48] phreach, np [15:15:07] jMCg, link? [15:15:31] Simetrical: intranet. [15:15:38] Yay. [15:15:54] I was wondering about the *proccess* because in the normal view, you can see it just like it's supposed to be. [15:16:03] jMCg, you don't by any chance have mbstring_overload set in php.ini? [15:16:09] 03mkroetzsch * r32508 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/ (SMW_SQLStore.php SMW_Store.php): Enable getSemanticData with SMWWikiPageValue objects (MediaWiki Titles get confused wrt. page IDs during page moves) [15:16:18] jMCg, er, mbstring.func_overload, that is? [15:17:05] Simetrical: no. [15:17:41] <^demon> Blasted pidgin. [15:17:43] Wiredtape: you related to Not_the_NSA? [15:17:45] Hmm. [15:17:53] 03(mod) Special:Reviewedpages has one level too many - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13506 (10pbirken) [15:17:57] jMCg, any other funny settings? What version are you using? [15:18:01] snowolf, as in family? ;) [15:18:08] no i am not.. [15:18:33] just wondering 'cause at first I thought that you were him with a new nick :) [15:18:42] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [15:19:25] snowolf, oh.. and i thought i was being accused of being a secret cryptographer :) [15:19:37] Good morning. I have a question about page titles. On this page, http://www.tinymicros.com/wiki/index.php/FT847, under the word 'article', 'FT847' is displayed. Is there a way to change that text, without changing the URL to the page? [15:19:38] Simetrical: php 5.2.5, MySQL 5.0.51, httpd 2.2.8 [with and without AddDefaultCharset utf-8], wikmedia 1.11.1 [15:19:50] Hmm, odd. [15:19:58] mediawiki. [15:20:10] domas: I'm dyslexic. [15:20:17] ._. [15:20:25] jc, which text? FT847, or article? [15:20:26] jMCg, so is everyone when it comes to our brilliantly-selected trademarks. [15:20:39] jc, not recommended to try that. People should be able to copy-paste the title from there to make wikilinks. [15:20:51] Ah. [15:21:26] Problem is I'd like to make that text a little more descriptive, but not at the cost of a more wordy URL. [15:21:27] Simetrical: btw, I upgraded from 1.9.3. [15:22:10] jc, there are some extensions that might help.. but you could also use DISPLAYTITLE [15:22:14] <^demon> jc: I'm not sure how to change the wording, but if you want to flat out /hide/ that text, add .firstHeading {display:none} to [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] [15:22:19] I created the database with default encoding utf8, but changed it to latin1_bin, as I was told that this is not the way to go. [15:22:39] Wiredtape, I'm not familiar with DISPLAYTITLE. How do I use that? [15:23:04] jc, i'm trying to remember myself.. :) look it up in mediawiki.org it should be there somewhere [15:23:37] I just did. It's there. Thanks. [15:23:41] np [15:26:18] 03mkroetzsch * r32509 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SMW_SQLStore.php: Fix for using SMWWikiPageValue [15:28:13] hrm. I've enabled it, added a {{DISPLAYTITLE:ft847}}, yet it's still display as FT847. I'm not sure this option is what I want however. Apparently you can rename 'IPod' to 'iPod', but not to 'foo'. Which is about what I'm trying to approximate. [15:32:41] jc, what you're trying to do is not supported by MediaWiki out of the box. [15:32:56] Or with any extension I know of, but there are lots of extensions I don't know of. [15:34:01] There are indeed a lot of extensions. An overwhelming amount, for someone just starting out. [15:38:26] how can i delete the nofollow in my mediawiki [15:38:46] googlebots cant search trough my articles beacuse nofollow is activated [15:39:03] hi, sorry for the dumb question but... what are the minimal tables to dump so that I can recreate the whole database? Using which maintenance script? [15:39:17] bango, me no follow? [15:39:20] what is nofollow? [15:39:48] facefaceface, there's not that much redundancy. You'd probably just want to dump all of them. [15:39:50] Well, not true. [15:40:00] You can dispense with categorylinks, pagelinks, redirect, templatelinks. [15:40:04] And searchindex. [15:40:14] Probably some others. [15:40:28] Simetrical, hrm... I had a nasty system failure, and only some are 'intact'.. mysql is just saying 'table has wrong data'... lemmy check the error and the tables properly for you [15:40:29] The links/redirect tables can be rebuilt using maintenance/rebuildLinks.php or something like that. [15:40:33] Ah. [15:40:55] Simetrical, cool... I believe it was links tables that 'died' ... brb [15:41:03] 03(mod) Allow multiple classes of footnotes on the same page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271 (10ssanbeg) [15:41:34] Also, all your uploaded content, such as images, PDFs (if permitted), etc, won't be in the database. [15:41:51] jc, yeah... I think I lost them [15:42:47] Is there some reason you don't have backups? [15:42:58] jc I like pain [15:43:02] jc, one extension that does what you are looking for is called (if i remember correctly) title functions [15:43:21] I'll go look for that. [15:43:45] which uses parser functions to switch the title, however, i have found that it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.. usually works with &action=purge.. [15:46:53] wow! mysqlcheck no longer returns any errors! [15:47:42] I had ran --repair, but it didn't seem to work [15:51:07] facefaceface, please give the exact errors you're getting, if any. [15:51:55] Simetrical, sorry, my database errors appear to have 'fixed themselves' I am now going to reload the data on a different system, and try to upgrade to 12. [15:52:46] I'll let you know if I see any more problems. To upgrade, I just point the new MW to the old database? (assuming that I don't care about images / extensions)? [15:53:43] what is the best way to have a mirror of a wiki? [15:54:12] errr_, I would say database dump + copy of files [15:54:26] you don't really need all files, but it makes things easier ;-) [15:55:10] also if you do have lots of media, the other files won't be a significant addition in file size [15:55:11] faceface, is there any way doing that to make the mirror be read only so the master would be the one to edit, or any way to merge changes if both had the same premissions [15:55:24] errr_, linux? [15:55:29] yes [15:55:33] rsync + database replication, if you're talking separate machines. [15:55:57] ah [15:55:59] I guess he means 'online' mirrors.. rather than BK [15:56:06] faceface, yes I do [15:56:23] errr_, yeah, you can point different MW installs to the same DB [15:56:30] incase the main site goes down there is still a backup.wiki.com [15:56:34] errr_, why don't you just use a master/slave database setup? [15:56:38] and one MW can be configured as read-only [15:56:43] You could use separate application servers too. [15:56:52] yeah, just 'set it up' ;-) [15:57:06] with clusters for replication [15:57:27] 03ialex * r32510 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Updated messages.inc per r32460 and rebuilt MessagesEn.php [15:57:38] Use dns rotation, and don't rotate from the main server until it fails. That would avoid having to worry about the read-only/read-write sychronization. [15:58:06] thats a nice idea there [15:58:21] Waste of server resources, though. [15:58:37] hmm, wikipedia is allowing HTML tags that my local mediawiki is not allowing. Is there a simple way to see which tags wikipedia allows? [15:58:42] Better to have round-robin DNS on the app servers, then have them use a master/slave setup and fall into read-only mode if the master fails. [15:59:04] dpotte1, you may want to try enabling HTML Tidy. [15:59:07] !tidy | dpotte1 [15:59:07] --mwbot-- dpotte1: For more information about HTML Tidy, see . [15:59:20] tyvm! [15:59:42] well thanks for all your help, this gives us several ideas to work with [16:01:21] *facefaceface faces his ignorance [16:01:57] okay, for whatever reason im gettin the error Class DOMDocument not found, however im on SLES 10sp1 and do have php-xml installed [16:02:31] i cant find any dom.so file anywhere on the machine, so im not sure how to get it to work [16:03:00] Wiredtape_away, I think the extension I might be looking for is Extension:CustomTitle. I couldn't find the one you mentioned. [16:05:00] Any of you guys add your own social bookmarking and print buttons to your wikis? If so did you use an extension or hack the code? [16:05:55] dasher4, yes to both, use addthis and i created my own little email extension [16:06:04] jbob: you can put $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; in LocalSettings.php [16:06:04] hi all, would $wgRequest->getText('action') be the proper method for determining the current rendering context in a skin? [16:06:08] js, i'll take a look [16:07:08] Wiredtape_away - does addthis have a print feature? Also, can you restrict what pages it appears on )ie the main page)? [16:07:16] gmc: i think $wgRequest->getVal( 'action', 'view' ) is better [16:09:04] ialex, what does that parser config thing actually do? [16:09:26] NICE [16:09:34] thanks ialex [16:09:36] it works now [16:09:45] Simetrical: it switches the preprocessor class, the later doesn't have the dependency of dom module [16:09:59] Hmm. [16:10:06] Is that going to be supported indefinitely? [16:10:09] ialex: tnx, i'll check that out.. [16:10:23] What are the differences? Should we auto-switch if the class isn't available? [16:10:27] *Simetrical looks for TimStarling [16:10:52] Simetrical: yeah, that would be a good idea [16:11:25] Not if it's inferior or deprecated. Is it? [16:11:38] ask Tim :) [16:11:56] and of course, now i see, on sles10sp1 they changed it to php5-dom [16:12:03] not in php-xml anymore [16:13:42] Simetrical: but Preprocessor_Hash was added after Preprocessor_Dom [16:14:30] dasher4, addthis doesn't have print.. i just added a small icon there with a href to printable version.. and yes you can restrict where it appears, by building the check in the skin [16:15:23] OK great, thanks Wiredtape. What is your wiki? [16:15:27] ialex: Good catch for that local/non-local bug. With my C++ background, I assumed PHP would destroy and re-create that array because it was declared inside a loop [16:16:55] And I'm pretty sure my PHP version does that [16:17:16] dasher4, www.wiredtape.com [16:17:25] js, the extension i used was PageTools [16:17:42] *cs [16:17:42] What's the approved method for adding keywords? So that if a product is xx-yyy, and the user searches for xxyyy, it's still found? I'm looking through the help pages, but not seeing anything likely. [16:17:46] *jc [16:18:12] jc, you could use redirects, however, there is no *real* way to do this [16:18:30] you could also hack the search functions [16:18:30] No equivalent of meta tags for content? [16:18:41] there is, but not searchable [16:18:53] argh. [16:19:13] Given that people often can't spell when searching, it'd be nice to put common misspelled keywords in an articles text [16:20:10] it would, and this kind of thing could be used for many other things... however, not implemented yet [16:22:59] hrmm [16:23:14] where do i find the wiki admin user/pass [16:23:24] im sure i used a password, but its not letting me in [16:23:40] i bet i have to open the sql database right [16:24:46] Well, I suppose one sub-ideal way to do it is simply to put the keywords as HTML comments. Search searches the raw wikitext, so at least it returns it in the search results. [16:26:47] ideal way is to ccreate an extension that allows data within specfied tags be pulled as links/semantic info/ or anything else [16:26:55] 1; [16:27:24] 03(NEW) Template forged in an extention not pased anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13534 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (mathieu) [16:29:16] Wiredtape - How did you move your "last modified" array to the top? And can the time be removed and only the month and date show? [16:30:43] 03(mod) Template forged in an extention not parsed anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13534 15enhancement->normal; summary (10mathieu) [16:32:06] 03catrope * r32511 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryRecentChanges.php: API: Adding info field to error message [16:32:24] 03(mod) Template forged in an extension not parsed anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13534 summary (10roan.kattouw) [16:32:47] dasher4, i look in the skin for "lastmod" and copy that loop up top.. you can change it by changing its message in Special:Allmessages [16:33:25] jc, look into leucine search (sp?) [16:33:27] Simple enough :) [16:35:09] facefaceface: Lucene [16:35:21] tanks RoanKattouw [16:42:42] Hey...having a problem getting editcount: http://rafb.net/p/ebqOVj99.html. Help, anyone? [16:44:07] hi [16:44:47] VonSchmut: seems like a the script isn't selecting the database first [16:46:11] or there is no database named 'wikidb', or something like that [16:46:25] Hmm. Can't be the latter. [16:46:39] is this a mediawiki bug? [16:46:47] I don't think so. [16:46:55] I mean - what program is generating the error [16:49:22] I'm using Extension:EditCount. After entering username on Special:EditCount, that comes up. [16:51:02] VonSchmut: wich version of MediaWiki are you using ? [16:51:22] 1.12. [16:52:46] Extension EditCount? [16:52:52] yep [16:53:06] Ah, per-namespace stuff and so on. [16:53:22] so, what, a ns has to be entered after the username? [16:55:10] Er, no, I was just checking what it did because MediaWiki now has some built-in edit-counting stuff. [16:55:19] It does more than core, is all I wanted to see. [16:55:39] ah [16:57:35] VonSchmut: and are you using table prefixes in the database (i.e. what is the value $wgDBprefix) ? [16:59:27] 03(mod) Create the Hungarian Wikinews, Erzya & Extremaduran & Gan Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 (10joseluislikebetter) [17:00:16] ialex: mw_ [17:03:36] VonSchmut: it's why the revision table doen't exist, it is mw_revision [17:04:40] VonSchmut: wich version of the extension do you use ? [17:05:58] hi, are there any schema changes between 11 and 12? [17:06:22] 03(mod) Document needed DB privileges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13519 (10ssanbeg) [17:06:58] I want to upgrade, but I am having some schema 'issues' it would be convenient if I could let MW generate the tables for me and then I could insert the data in. [17:07:12] I am going from 11 to 12 AND 4.1 to 5.0 [17:07:18] if you get my just [17:07:20] jist [17:07:39] facefaceface: there is a new table protected_titles [17:08:32] OK, my new plan is this, get 1.11 to generate me a clean schema, insert my data (from 5.0) into the new schema (on 4.1) then upgrade to 1.12 [17:09:00] what is a 'clean schema' and why would you need one? [17:09:31] flyingparchment, I am dumping a schema generated by mw 1.11 on a 5.0 MySQL server [17:09:38] so? [17:09:46] that schema is incompatible with a 4.1 MySQL server [17:09:51] why? [17:09:52] (I am migrating host) [17:09:55] we use that schema on 4.0 [17:10:24] flyingparchment, because 4.1 vs. 5.0 = a charset thing... indexes are causing a problem, the error I get is... [17:10:31] ialex: Not sure. About to go 1.2.9. [17:10:48] mw_revision is there [17:10:52] flyingparchment, ERROR 1071 (42000) at line 1498: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes [17:11:32] I was told that this is because 4.1 does not use charsets, and 5.0 does, and its utf8 by default, and multibyte characters make fields longer, hence the 'key was too long' error [17:11:59] whoever told you 4.1 "doesn't use charsets" is an idiot. 4.1 has no problem with charsets [17:12:15] flyingparchment, can you debug my problem [17:12:53] 03dale * r32512 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/ (ogg_thum_insert.php ogg_thumb_insert.php): video thumbnail insert updates [17:13:24] I dump from a 5.0 MySQL server, and try to import into a 4.1 MySQL server... I wonder what the default charset is... the charset on 5.0 is utf8 [17:13:45] did you dump with --default-character-set=latin1? [17:14:24] no, I dumped with --opt and --skip-opt alternatively - both had errors... should I switch to latin1? [17:14:39] i don't know why --opt would make a difference [17:14:51] but you must dump mediawiki databases with --default-character-set=latin1 or the dump will be corrupted [17:15:09] OK, thanks very much for that info - I didn't know that [17:15:26] I figured I should just use whatever it chose to give me. [17:19:19] 03(NEW) Table sorting with "sm=n" broken. (possible fix included) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13535 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Modern skin; (fa12345) [17:24:11] 03siebrand * r32513 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesDa.php: [17:24:11] Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki [17:24:11] * special page aliases, EOL whitespace [17:28:23] Bingo! Upgrade fixed it :) [17:28:39] flyingparchment, I added "--default-character-set=latin1", but I still get the same error [17:28:48] ERROR 1071 (42000) at line 57: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1024 bytes [17:29:23] labas [17:29:35] the table actually says, CHARSET=utf8 - so much for the default! [17:29:46] ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 [17:31:34] I don't know, first its php 5, next its mysql 5 ... kernel 5? [17:31:41] *facefaceface continues to gripe [17:32:00] It would have been more amusing if utf8 was actually named wtf8. [17:32:46] ha [17:33:34] Hi [17:33:51] Now if only I could get revisiondelete to return something.... [17:34:07] does anyone know if its possible to have some object like File from string 'mwrepo://local/temp/f/f3/20080327173159!1.jpg' and being able to create thumb of that? [17:35:38] hi! [17:35:48] question: how may i delete a user? [17:36:03] !deleteuser [17:36:03] --mwbot-- Deleting users is very messy and not recommended, because this breaks referential integrity in the database (they appear in many different tables like users, edit histories, recentchanges, preferences, etc). A safe solution is to block the users, and possibly rename them with . You can also try [17:36:52] Can you just build tables in Frontpage/Dreamweaver and paste the code into a wiki? [17:37:45] thanks, [17:42:06] Dasher4, no [17:42:13] TimLaqua_: When you say "wiki-install-folder", I assume you mean w/, wiki/, et. al.? [17:42:33] Dasher4, I mean yes! sorry I thought you said "build pages" [17:42:35] hi... is this the correct room to ask newbie mw admin questions? [17:42:44] indradg, ask and be banned! [17:42:49] I mean ask and be damned! [17:43:01] i.e. it dosn't hurt to ask [17:43:06] VonSchmut: sounds about right. which page are you looking at? [17:43:37] was looking at Extension:User Merge and Delete [17:43:48] ok :) [17:44:29] VonSchmut: ok, yeah. it'd be like whatever $IP resolves to. So say it was installed in www.example.com/w/ - you'd create the folder /w/extensions/UserMerge [17:44:40] *VonSchmut nods [17:44:48] basically, just find your extensions folder and toss 'er in there. [17:44:50] ;-) [17:44:53] figured [17:44:55] I am trying to introduce a bunch of completely non-computer saavy users (about 40 in number) to using a wiki (mediawiki obviously)... i'm looking for some help if I (the admin) can create the users in a batch by myself [17:45:26] flyingparchment, any clue why it still fails? [17:45:32] or if is even advisable to do so (on tech reasons) [17:46:04] *VonSchmut heads off to a meeting [17:46:07] indradg: using external authentication (like LDAP) foregoes the user creation process... do they already have user/pass elsewhere? [17:46:39] TimLaqua, nope! these are complete newbies... no such accounts anywhere [17:50:52] indradg, I believe there is a create user script under maintainance [17:51:58] facefaceface: nope, only createAndPromote.php [17:54:13] thanks for help dudes [17:55:39] ialex, so if I comment out the section -> http://rafb.net/p/1IVzxC49.html in the createAndPromote.php script, I should be home... right? [17:58:33] hi [17:58:40] I am trying to hack around some skin for mediawiki [17:58:45] but I have found a showstopper [17:59:21] I am in a corner to get this working, I need to specify a header background. However the way mediawiki is builted I can't find a tag that can wrapp the whole header. [17:59:48] indradg: but it only create one account at each time you run the script [17:59:54] I remember of having a similar problem and finding aid in some structural CSS that was around but that would break the containment of a skin. [18:00:14] I am trying to emulate the look and feel of http://test.openoffice.org [18:01:33] ialex, so I need to loop it through a list... doable with a bit of bash and awk and call the script repeatedly [18:02:03] indradg: i think it would work [18:03:52] 03(mod) Add a music wikimodule - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 (10crochet.david) [18:04:05] Anyone know of any other helpful table pages on wikipedia like http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Style_Sheet_1 ? [18:11:19] ialex, it worked :) [18:11:29] indradg: nice [18:11:40] thanks [18:18:52] 03siebrand * r32514 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (120 files): [18:18:53] Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-27 18:26 CET) [18:18:53] * also: EOL whitespace removed [18:26:21] 03siebrand * r32515 10/trunk/extensions/ (88 files in 84 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-27 18:26 CET) [18:34:40] 03raymond * r32516 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * (bug 13490) Show upload/file size limit on upload form [18:35:22] 03(FIXED) Show upload/file size limit on upload form - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13490 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [18:36:58] so [18:37:02] any idea how to resolve ' [18:37:09] mwrepo://local/temp/f/f3/20080327183622!1.jpg' [18:37:16] to file object [18:37:18] or file name [18:37:18] ? [18:38:43] Inez: yes [18:38:51] VasilievVV :) so tell me [18:38:57] $wgUploadDirectory/temp/f/f3/20080327183622!1.jpg' [18:39:07] yeah, that's true [18:39:10] but, I mean in code :) [18:39:15] Ah... [18:39:27] FSRepo has some method [18:39:34] !svn aa [18:39:34] --mwbot-- Subversion is a version control software that allows users to download the very latest version of a branch without having to wait for someone to get around to packaging it. Advantages to using Subversion include the latest version, vastly simplified updating, the ability to roll back an upgrade, the ability to create and submit patches. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion for more information. [18:39:38] !file [18:39:38] --mwbot-- http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=`e1&action=diff [18:39:43] :( [18:42:57] hey, does anybody know how to add a banner next to "powered by mediawiki" ?? [18:50:05] 03raymond * r32517 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German [18:52:20] 03ialex * r32518 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 3 dirs): doc tweaks: link to http://www.php.net instead of mirrors. [18:53:34] \o/ ialex :) [18:53:50] :) [18:59:30] hm [19:04:51] 03rotem * r32519 10/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Update for he. [19:05:37] 03siebrand * r32520 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: [19:05:37] Add some newlines, remove one newline [19:05:37] Note to translators: no messages changed [19:09:09] what can i do that googlebots can search through my mediawiki? [19:09:27] is there some limit for username in mw out of varchar(255)? [19:09:29] i want to turn of the nofollow [19:09:39] for username length [19:10:06] bnago: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Robots.txt [19:10:10] (I think) [19:10:18] bango: ^ [19:10:21] fresh install of 1.12 shows a blank page... when I say fresh, I actually mean an upgrade from 1.11 [19:11:00] http://biodatabase.org/index.php/Main_Page I dont see a thing... which suggests a php error... but the install is 'clean' [19:11:10] the database update reported sucess [19:11:48] look in your error log [19:17:56] derwin, where is that? [19:18:36] 03(NEW) Preferences bug in new project after unifying login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13536 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: wikibugs; (andrewcleung) [19:20:19] facefaceface: file error_log in your mediawiki directory [19:20:40] err.. "error_log"? since when? [19:20:47] since forever [19:20:56] (the php error log) [19:20:56] 03(NEW) Please enable "enotif" on nl.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13537 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (jeroenvrp) [19:21:11] blank pages generally indicate php errors, which go to the error_log [19:21:24] i see no mention of error_log in the mediawiki source [19:21:29] 03(mod) Please enable "enotif" on nl.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13537 +shell (10raimond.spekking) [19:21:38] flyingparchment: php errors go to error_log by default [19:21:52] mediawiki does nothing to change this [19:21:53] it's unlikely the php error log is going to be in the mediawiki directory [19:22:06] do you really think so? [19:22:10] i know so [19:22:17] fine [19:22:21] not my problem [19:22:44] it's in the directory of the web server, flying/faceface [19:22:53] because all of my php error's somehow end up in the error_log in my mediawiki directory [19:22:56] i wonder how this happens? [19:23:03] for example, under apache, the default error log is apache's stderr [19:23:08] which goes to error_log in the apache log directory [19:23:22] (e.g. /var/log/apache/error_log, or whatever it's set to) [19:23:29] MinuteElectron, I don't see that file [19:23:34] ok [19:23:39] derwin: i know where it is :) [19:24:08] derwin, thanks [19:25:32] PHP Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /BiO/Serve/Httpd/Biodatabase.org/mediawiki-1.12.0/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566 [19:26:35] seems this error was being reported earlier... but I ignored it... because it wasn't my error [19:36:36] anyone awake who can answer some vague questions about CSS + mediawiki? I want to style all transcluded text into a particular class.. [19:37:05] ah, I located a relevant doc, might help.. :) [19:38:28] not a very helpful page.. :/ [19:48:56] brion: Do you feel comfortable with enabling action=edit,delete,move,etc. on WMF wikis? If not, any idea when you will? [19:50:18] derwin, what is your problem? [19:50:33] 'transcluded text'? [19:51:13] derwin, I believe you can use an extension to allow css in the MW code... make a transclusion template and call every other template through that? [19:51:33] that seems.. inelegant [19:51:54] ie, an extra level of transclusion on every transcluded page? [19:52:02] yah [19:52:21] like {{tx|the template I really want}} [19:52:28] !pagecss [19:52:28] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageCSS [19:52:38] hm... that'S not much... there are a few more... [19:52:44] Template:tx would look just like "css{{1}}/css" [19:53:52] derwin: anyway... "all" transcluded text? you mean from one particular template? or ALL templates? [19:53:59] the latter doesn't make much sense to me [19:54:06] templates may be used for very different purposes [19:54:09] unless you can grab 'all transcludes' ... I don't think you can [19:54:22] Duesentrieb: perhaps "all text transcluded from a given namespace" ? [19:54:50] I am using transclusion to have widgets like "reboot a host" instructions included in lots of pages, so if I change the process to "reboot a host" the changes automagically percolate [19:55:02] derwin: don't think that's possible. once the text is transcluded, all information about where it came form is lost. you'd have to explicitly mark it. [19:55:18] but I want to have some way of indicating the text is transcluded, preferrably automatically, so I don't try to use " " to draw a box around it.. which is wrong :) [19:55:22] or you write a parserfunction that does some special magic voodoo pseudo-includion [19:55:56] actually, no parser function needed [19:56:00] so iow, I create a template which indiciates the style of the pages which are likely to be transcluded, and I put that on every of those pages? [19:56:12] ie, {{:procw:Transcluded}} or whatever [19:56:16] derwin: then don't use the template directly, use it indirectly, wrapped in another template [19:56:26] (maybe that'S what facefaceface was suggesting?) [19:56:42] Duesentrieb: I think that's what he was suggesting, but to me that makes the top page pretty ugly, but maybe I'm misunderstanding? [19:56:53] like, on my top page, I currently just have {{:procw:Page Name}} [19:57:04] derwin: you would have {{foo|xxx}} instead of {{Foo:xxx}} [19:57:11] not too bad, is it? [19:57:24] I'm not sure I'm understanding what is being proposed :) [19:57:39] inside the foo template, you would do
{{{{{1}}}}}
[19:57:44] (that's five curlies) [19:57:56] oh, the namespace. [19:58:04]
{{Foo:{{{1}}}}}
[19:58:11] yeah, all transcluded pages are in "procw" namespace [19:58:20] wow, what is that { } } { { }} doing? [19:58:43] {{foo}} includes a templated. {{{1}}} is replaced by the first template parameter [19:58:46] I'm sorry, I must sound really dense :) [19:59:22] derwin: post a url, i'll show you what i mean [19:59:22] so the top call would be {{:procw:foo|Page Name}} ? [19:59:37] unfortunately my wiki is not accessible from the internet [19:59:51] too bad. [19:59:55] yup that is what I meant! [20:00:20] derwin: create a page called Template:Procw [20:00:46] derwin: on it, put
{{Procw:{{{1}}}}}
[20:01:10] derwin: on some page, put {{procw|somepagethere}} [20:01:22] oh, yes! [20:01:28] that makes total sense to me, actually! [20:01:28] define some pretty style for .fromprocw [20:01:39] <3 <3 <3 yay #mediawiki! [20:01:45] :) [20:02:43] 03(mod) Template forged in an extension not parsed anymore - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13534 +comment (10ThomasBleher) [20:04:38] s/yay #mediawiki!/yay facefaceface and his glorious empire!!!!/ [20:04:43] only joking [20:05:41] hehe, I said #mediawiki because both of you helped me.. :D [20:06:45] ;-) its true - I didn't realize you needed help with templte syntax - I see how my answer was quite meaningless! [20:07:30] I hadn't contemplated using the Template namespace as a "passthrough" in that way, but it makes perfect sense [20:07:49] I'm pretty novice in terms of using mediawiki for anything other than fixing typos on the wikipedia :) [20:08:37] I'm putting my "fromprocw" style in MediaWiki:Common.css, is that the correct place? [20:09:07] doing an inclusion based on template-parameters isn't that obvious, though it's quite streight-forward in retrospect. i went off into the wrong direction at first too, as you can see from my comment about writing a parser function for this [20:09:38] derwin: yes, MediaWiki:common.css is perfect (congrationlations, few people get that right on the first go) [20:09:55] Help:Cascading_Style_Sheets ftw ;) [20:10:13] or use the bot... [20:10:14] !css [20:10:14] --mwbot-- To change styles for your wiki, go to one of the MediaWiki:xxx.css wiki page and put your custom styles there (sysop/admin rights required). MediaWiki:common.css is for all skins and should be used for content styles. MediaWiki:monobook.css is for the MonoBook skin (default), etc. For more information, see !skins and [20:10:30] do people use main.css instead? [20:10:50] n8 [20:10:51] yes. or at least they ask which file to edit [20:10:57] night Sundance_Raphael [20:11:00] that puts in styles for like, the entire wiki, not pages.. ? [20:11:15] like, I'm glad I picked the right one, but I'm wondering why main.css is wrong :) [20:11:19] night Duesentrieb [20:11:32] oh, I see, I would replace main.css to replace a "skin" [20:11:57] derwin: they are both global. but editing the files is bead because changes get lost on upgrade. and you don't have a nice history for reverting. and also, it's reserved to someone with access to the actual files [20:12:30] !DOMDocument [20:12:30] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "domdocument". [20:12:30] right, whereas Common.css is accessible to wiki users with appropriate rights.. got it :) [20:12:42] !PHP Fatal error [20:12:42] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "php". You might try: !actions !adminsettings !blankpage !bom !conf !config !dpl !dumphtml !errors !extranamespace !import !logo !newusergroup !query !scap !session !tidyforidiots !uploads !version !xampp [20:12:55] facefaceface: installp php-xml [20:12:55] !blankpage | facefaceface [20:12:55] --mwbot-- facefaceface: A blank page usually indicates a fatal PHP error. See !error [20:12:59] *snowolf doesn't like pings [20:13:15] installp php-xml? [20:13:20] *amidaniel pings snowolf [20:13:30] !error [20:13:30] --mwbot-- For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [20:13:33] facefaceface: what os? [20:13:37] *snowolf is honored to be pinged by the master [20:13:38] linux [20:13:43] facefaceface: distro? [20:13:52] facefaceface: if you are missing DOMDocument, install the xml module for php. i.e. php-xml. [20:13:55] er... centos I believe [20:14:04] facefaceface: $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; [20:14:12] i don't know the package command on centod [20:14:13] ialex, hello again ;D [20:14:24] ialex: does that work? [20:14:26] its fedora by a different name ^{tm} [20:14:32] Duesentrieb: it should ;) [20:14:42] I remember you posting that fix earlier [20:14:56] facefaceface: so it uses rpm. i.e. yumyum or some such for fetching stuff [20:14:57] lemmy check... [20:15:03] OK [20:15:05] I'll try both [20:15:43] Aww .. I muss yum :( [20:15:52] I haven't had to use that in forever [20:16:02] *snowolf didn't spotted http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADo_NOT_bite_the_developers&diff=182760321&oldid=182495200 earlier [20:16:56] O.o [20:17:04] I didn't know I had that special mention [20:17:25] you didn't? [20:17:30] lol [20:18:14] Lol .. nope :) [20:18:54] Although I have to say that almost a year after I stopped paying any attention to my wp talk page or doing anything else on wp, my level of being bitten has gone down quite a bit [20:19:20] dang... took me a while (don't ask) but after setting $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; works [20:22:34] yum install php-xml, however, has not worked [20:23:22] same error [20:24:34] What's the error? [20:24:50] [Fri Mar 28 05:21:05 2008] [error] [client 87.160.227.137] PHP Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found in /BiO/Serve/Httpd/Biodatabase.org/mediawiki-1.12.0/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 566 [20:25:07] ah [20:25:08] should I restart the server? [20:25:17] facefaceface: Yes [20:25:18] maybe [20:27:37] the server is a bit bogged down... my restart is taking some time [20:27:42] does restart sit and wait for an appropriate opportunity? [20:27:49] *facefaceface guesses yes [20:28:56] cool! works :D [20:30:04] oh crumbs... I lost all my extensions, including my heavily hacked ... I am such a fool [20:31:07] you *should* have a backup of *all* files if you followed instructions... [20:31:26] instrawhat now? [20:31:33] ;-) [20:31:57] yea, i guess you have to learn to make backups the hard way [20:33:06] well.. thanks for the help with the fix... [20:34:03] !DOMDocument is set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; or install php-xml and restart Apache [20:34:03] --mwbot-- You don't have permission to do that. [20:34:15] mwbot, op facefaceface [20:34:25] hm [20:34:26] !DOMDocument is set $wgParserConf['preprocessorClass'] = 'Preprocessor_Hash'; or install php-xml and restart Apache [20:34:26] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: domdocument [20:34:29] :> [20:34:35] thanks Jack_Phoenix [20:34:41] l8r dudes [20:34:43] np :-) [20:42:29] Are there any stewards or bureaucrats around? Anyone who could delete a page for me at www.mediawiki.org ? [20:42:41] which page? [20:42:43] RoanKattouw: What page? [20:42:48] *amidaniel growls at MinuteElectron [20:42:56] :) [20:43:09] amidaniel: API:Query - Revisions , content has been merged with API:Query - Properties [20:43:29] redirect? [20:44:07] it would make more sense, no point in deadlinking stuff [20:44:10] *RoanKattouw runs a whatlinkshere [20:44:18] external sites? [20:44:24] True [20:44:29] I'll make it a redirect [20:44:35] Redirect makes most sense to me too [20:45:07] Done [21:00:14] RoanKattouw: To get +sysop on mediawiki.org, all you have to do is leave a note on Simetrical's talk page. ;) [21:00:39] MZMcBride: I don't really need it, I decided against deleting the page [21:01:05] Well, yeah. But it could be helpful later... [21:01:07] Whatev. [21:02:04] *amidaniel blocks RoanKattouw for the time being [21:02:08] RoanKattouw, what's your account name on mw.org? [21:02:14] Catrop [21:02:16] e [21:02:43] k. [21:04:27] MZMcBride: that was before Simetrical had a talk with some guy and then created his "rules" :) [21:04:39] You mean kylu? [21:04:41] Alex_Sm, well, you can still just ask me if you want. [21:04:51] I'll give it out to known developers, no problem. [21:04:57] kylu's female. ;) [21:05:09] In her own way ... [21:05:10] :) [21:05:29] I think he means some guy with like three edits who apparently wanted sysop because he was +rollbacker on enwiki or something. [21:05:31] 03catrope * r32521 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParse.php: API: Don't use a nonexistent message name [21:05:38] Simetrical: ok, I'll keep that in mind [21:05:43] And had no reason for asking for it. [21:05:45] After that I put up some guidelines on who I'd give it to. [21:06:06] Requests may as well go to mw:Project:Requests anyway, I'll see them there but maybe someone else will get to them first. [21:06:17] Sounds like the guy just wanted a unified account... [21:07:04] No, this was a couple of weeks ago. [21:07:13] Besides, I think he claimed to be +sysop on test.wikipedia.org too. [21:07:17] Oh. [21:07:35] Ah, I see the sysop tabs now, thanks Simetrical [21:13:15] 03catrope * r32522 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (AutoLoader.php api/ApiChangeRights.php api/ApiMain.php): Removing ApiChangeRights module [21:13:42] RoanKattouw: porque? ^ [21:14:06] amidaniel: It was disabled for a long time already, duplicated a lot of code and isn't really useful in the first place [21:14:13] Bots generally don't have userrights rights [21:14:44] True .. still, the idea is to have the api be capable of doing everything the std interface can [21:15:26] I know [21:15:49] Well no, I'm not gonna do user registration, to name something [21:15:56] Except *maybe* with CAPTCHAs [21:16:55] how about account creation? (not quite the same thing) [21:17:16] How is that different? [21:17:27] Hm .. I'd think that account creation would actually be useful to have in the ai [21:17:27] That's what I meant with user registration anyway [21:17:30] api* [21:17:38] Yeah, bots could create their own accounts [21:17:40] Makes sense [21:17:54] Well, no, you could make accounts across multiple wikis [21:17:55] tsk [21:18:01] That is, an account for yourself [21:18:16] neither... creating accounts for other people upon request, like sysops often have to do [21:18:21] Or you could automate acct. creation for the unblock queues [21:18:25] Yes, exactly [21:18:31] a userscript interface could make it much easier for example [21:18:36] I mean, it can be done already, but doing it through the api would be nicer [21:19:24] Still, you'd have a CAPTCHA for WMF wikis [21:19:35] But then we already have CAPTCHA support in action=edit [21:20:19] yah [21:20:49] And there was some talk a while ago about allowing admins to bypass the captcha on acct. creation [21:20:55] Not sure if anything happened with that though [21:21:34] *MZMcBride enjoys doing CAPTCHAs. [21:21:55] Gotta run ... take care [21:22:15] 03catrope * r32523 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiParse.php: Forgot a semicolon [21:26:45] 03(NEW) MediaWiki:Checkuser-log-subpage cannot contain spaces - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13538 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (grin) [21:32:59] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 (10Ahonc.ua) [21:34:28] 03raymond * r32524 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUpload.php: Sanitize evil php.ini values. Thanks to Simetrical [21:34:44] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:42:12] 03(NEW) interwiki links are broken in inline queries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13539 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (ssanbeg) [21:43:22] 03(mod) Account cannot be renamed to a global username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13507 (10Platonides) [21:50:17] 03greg * r32525 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Use database's timestampOrNull(), not the global one, as we're writing the values back to the DB. [21:55:52] 03greg * r32526 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/OldLocalFile.php: Wrap timestamp for DB query in $dbr->timestamp() call. Bug 13532. [21:56:06] 03(FIXED) Reverting Images broken in PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13532 +comment (10greg) [21:56:53] Hello [21:57:45] 03greg * r32527 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Note bug 13532 [21:59:18] I'm trying to upgrade from 1.11.0 to 1.12.0 but I'm getting an error when trying to restore mysql dump about "Table is full". Database has been created by mediawiki install script. Is there any known issue about that N [21:59:20] ? [22:01:42] Telemac: this is very likely a mysql configuration/setup problem. see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/full-table.html and note that mediawiki uses innodb tables. [22:01:56] Telemac: but... why are you restoring a dump? and upgrade usually does not require that [22:02:29] Duesentrieb: Because I don't want to run upgrade script on production database [22:02:57] fair enough - though wikipedia does it all the time :) [22:03:27] basically, the error indicates that the way your sql server is set up, it does not have enough room to accomodate another copy of the wiki. [22:03:34] read the mysql manual page i linked to [22:03:41] Duesentrieb: I know but last time I do it I've had a lot of missing sql upgrade file [22:04:07] huh? missing sql upgrade file? [22:04:17] Duesentrieb: Yes [22:04:50] whatever - just give your databases more room :) [22:05:54] I've already seen that manual page, but it seems to be a per db limit, as far as I understand [22:06:05] not for innodb [22:06:24] for myisam, it's a per-table thing. [22:06:37] for innodb, it's a server-wide thing [22:09:19] Duesentrieb: ok [22:09:38] is there a way to get the TOC to show up but be collapsed by default? [22:09:46] I coudldn't find a magicword to do something like that [22:10:11] t0lk: that's because collapsing the toc is not even a core function in mediawiki. it's a local javascript hack, as far as i know. [22:10:25] ahh [22:10:27] ok then :p [22:10:31] http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:NavFrame ;-) [22:10:38] thanks [22:12:05] Duesentrieb: http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/wikibits.js function showTocToggle() [22:12:28] oh, so it is in core. [22:12:37] t0lk: ignore me, bug Splarka :) [22:12:38] but there is no auto-collapsed core support IIRC [22:12:44] lol [22:12:46] doh [22:12:48] *Splarka stabs dues [22:12:52] should be simple enough to add. though a bit messy [22:13:56] indeed.. it would have to override the cookie default [22:14:00] or at least, reverse it, heh [22:14:05] that's ok [22:14:08] not very important [22:14:47] well, you could probably copy the function showTocToggle() to your site.js... [22:15:04] and wrap the bit at the bottom handling cookies in an IF... [22:15:34] if(document.getElementById('autocollapseTOC')) { toggleToc() } else { normal cookie check } [22:15:51] ok [22:15:55] :) thanks [22:16:17] cookies?... [22:16:43] *Splarka guesses dues didn't know the toc collapse has a memory [22:17:55] *Splarka gives dues a cookie [22:18:41] hmm [22:18:57] i'm not sure i'd want it to have a memory. [22:19:16] seems a bit odd. just because i opened the toc on one page doesn't mean i want to see it on all [22:20:07] seems to have been there at least 2 years [22:20:39] Duesentrieb: transcluded from [[:procw:{{{{{1}}}}}]] seems to render as "transcluded from [[:procw:Template:Find A Spare]]" [22:20:56] Duesentrieb: is there something I'm missing about how to include this meta-info in Template:procw? [22:21:17] specifically, it's not ":procw:Template:Find a Spare" [22:21:26] it's ":procw:Find A Spare" [22:21:35] maybe I have one too many { } ? [22:23:03] ah, I see. apparently I have two too many { }s [22:23:12] I don't understand why, but at least it now works :) [22:24:45] is there something like "
" in terms of don't-parse-wikitext but which is NOT like "
" in terms of "style in a box, etc." ?
[22:25:14] 	, but that doesn't preserve whitespace
[22:25:15] 	there is 
[22:25:24] 	instead, you can style the pre
[22:25:35] 	right, I'm just not sure I want to style all pres
[22:25:36] 	or you can start each line with a space (dunno how that's different)
[22:25:36] 	
 etc
[22:25:44] 	oh, I see, you can explicitly style it right htere
[22:25:47] 	starting lines with a space still parses
[22:25:48] *derwin 	is a CSS n00b
[22:25:59] 	
[[foo]]
compared to [22:26:01] [[foo]] [22:26:35]
 is actually a parser hook (faux xml tag) that generates a 
 html item
[22:27:06] 	t0lk: it works, but it unfortunately sets the cookie, heh
[22:27:23] 	heh
[22:27:24] 	ok
[22:28:04] 	I could duplicate the functionality with a NavFrame it seems
[22:28:08] 	which would be good enough
[22:28:48] 	oop, I have an idea
[22:29:01] 	derwin: uh, what's the [[ stuff for? that's for links... do you want to make a link?...
[22:29:03] 	yes, this seems to work
[22:29:08] 	t0lk: http://p.defau.lt/?u3spzq_9pdj5i1jBXvTalQ
[22:29:36] 	wow
[22:29:41] 	did you just write all that?
[22:29:50] 	no, I copied it from wikibits
[22:29:54] 	and edited about 6 lines
[22:29:59] 	heh ok
[22:30:05] 	just paste that into your site js (or user js to test)
[22:30:19] 	derwin: oh, you want a backlink. yea, then use just {{{1}}} in the link. three curlies for the param.
[22:31:06] 	ok, thanks very much :D
[22:31:19] 	np
[22:37:34] 	Duesentrieb: is there a page which explains the multiple levels of { ?
[22:38:04] 	levels? there are no levels
[22:38:23] 	double {{ is for templates and parser cfunctions. triple is for template parameters.
[22:38:42] 	and all of that can be nested at will.
[22:38:45] 	oh, so five levels is "include the template named by the parameter"
[22:38:58] 	yes
[22:39:04] 	makes sense :)
[22:39:06] 	it's all here, basically: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates
[22:39:50] 	yeah, I just didn't understand that five was 2+3
[22:40:00] 	there are some interesting side effects
[22:41:22] 	Splarka: have you ever heard the quasimoto song "sparkdala" ? it's all I can think when I see your nick..
[22:42:09] 	for example: a parser function determining a template name: {{{{#if:1|bar|baz}}}}
[22:42:35] 	the parser would see that instead as a template parameter named '#if:1' with a fallback called 'bar'
[22:42:39] 	the result would be {bar}
[22:42:51] 	because the first triplet of {{{}}} would match first
[22:43:19] 	however, {{{{#if:1|bar|baz}} }} would work as expected, as there is no inner triplet
[22:43:19] 	yeah, I have noticed that if you try to get too clever, there are some very weird side effects in mediawiki markup
[22:43:40] 	I have been self-consciously trying to keep my markup on the simple side
[22:44:00] 	because I'm defining a standard for other people to use, and I don't want to do anything that is likely to enable them to shoot themselves in the foot
[22:44:30] 	derwin: not heard of the song, no
[22:45:01] 	03siebrand * r32528 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesNds_nl.php: Localisation updates. Remove 2 optional and incorrect messages
[22:45:26] 	derwin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Preprocessor_ABNF
[22:45:50] 	see "Ideal precedence"
[22:46:01] 	 {{{{{}}}}} ? {{{{{}}}}}
[22:46:02] 	etc
[22:46:35] 	sweet, thx
[22:46:37] 	03siebrand * r32529 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: 
[22:46:37] 	Add/remove some newlines
[22:46:37] 	Note to translators: no messages changed
[22:46:57] 	derwin: not that that is not a guid to how it *is*, but an attempt to specify what *should* be
[22:47:08] 	*note
[22:47:12] *Duesentrieb 	is getting tired
[22:47:36] 	Duesentrieb: yeah, I am aware that the implementation/parser is the standard, not the standard :)
[22:47:56] 	there'S no standard :)
[22:48:13] 	It's a "de implementatio" standard
[22:48:15] 	yes, which is a notable handicap in trying to conform to it!
[22:48:18] 	;D
[22:50:14] 	duplicating the parser is really a fool's errand, mostly because extensions can register basically any parser hooks they want
[22:50:34] 	you never know what xml tags, template calls, or even random strings, will ursurp the core parser
[22:50:46] 	hint: the api has an action=parse ^_^
[22:57:32] 	What was the script called for dumping a wiki to static html pages?
[23:00:33] 	dumpHtml
[23:13:09] 	When I upload PNG images I get a light blue background rather than transparency, as it should be. Anyone run into this before? If so how did you resolve it?
[23:13:34] 	It's a problem with your image, probably
[23:14:43] 	In photoshop the image has a transparent background, as a PNG
[23:15:10] 	But when I upload it to Mediawiki I get a light blue background
[23:15:17] 	Boxy42: did you save optimized, PNG-24 w/ transparency?
[23:15:27] 	TimLaqua - Yes
[23:15:32] 	Exactly that setting
[23:15:53] 	My server is just running MySQL and Apache
[23:16:00] 	Do I need something like imagemagick?
[23:16:07] 	Boxy42: ok, so you're using GD?
[23:16:11] 	it should be fine on GD
[23:16:15] 	GD?
[23:16:26] 	GD is what it uses if you don't specify ImageMagick
[23:16:45] 	All my server has is Apache and MySQL
[23:16:50] 	does GD come with Mediawiki?
[23:17:01] 	naaa, it's a PHP thing
[23:17:08] 	Oh OK
[23:17:29] 	Can I get around the uploading process and just drop them into a folder in my wiki directory?
[23:17:36] 	heck no
[23:17:48] 	Damn!
[23:18:09] 	just throw imagemagick on there
[23:18:15] 	tried viewing them at full resolution?
[23:19:45] 	OK
[23:19:59] 	Splarka - Yes
[23:22:49] 	03ialex * r32530 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ProfilerSimpleText.php: svn:eol-style native
[23:22:58] 	Boxy42: Imagemagick.
[23:23:00] 	;-)
[23:23:44] 	OK :)
[23:24:35] 	Boxy42: Splarka asked because the thumbs are the images taht get created by the engine (GD or ImageMagick) - the full res image should be the in-tact original
[23:25:04] 	The full res, which you get by clicking on the image, comes up with the same blue background
[23:25:18] 	umm... what browser are you using?
[23:25:22] 	IE
[23:25:26] 	what version?
[23:25:31] 	6
[23:25:34] 	heh
[23:25:34] 	doh.
[23:25:39] 	known issue
[23:25:43] 	What!?
[23:25:44] 	"issue"
[23:25:45] 	funny
[23:25:51] 	upgrade to ie 7
[23:25:56] 	Cuz of stupid IE it comes up blue?
[23:26:01] 	yup
[23:26:03] 	OMG
[23:26:05] 	IE6 doesn't support it by default
[23:26:09] 	OK..
[23:26:09] 	although there is a hack
[23:26:18] 	What about Firefox?
[23:26:22] 	ff should work fine
[23:26:24] 	supported it since 1967
[23:26:24] 	Should I use that instead of IE7
[23:26:25] 	OK
[23:26:27] 	HA
[23:26:28] 	lol
[23:26:34] 	or maybe just seems like it
[23:26:50] 	dunno, run FF3 and IE8 beta - that sounds like a solid combo
[23:26:53] 	;-)
[23:27:25] 	there was another possibility... for example, en.wp uses http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Checker-16x16.png on image description pages for the visible background
[23:27:30] 	Now how do I delete these crap images from Wikipedia? Is there a delete button or just overright?
[23:27:42] 	what crap images?
[23:27:43] 	upload a new version
[23:28:01] 	Splarka - The PNGs that have blue backgrounds
[23:28:11] 	the pngs dont have blue backgrouns
[23:28:22] 	When uploaded to my Wiki they do
[23:28:38] 	your browser is turning png transparency in to blue ickyness
[23:28:48] 	look at them using a different browser
[23:28:50] 	they're pry fine
[23:29:14] 	But don't 30% of users use IE6?
[23:29:22] 	I dont want my wiki to look like crap for 30%
[23:29:33] 	like Splarka said, there *are* workarounds
[23:29:39] 	If I upload the images in firefox will they look fine in IE6?
[23:29:44] 	no
[23:29:54] 	OMG
[23:29:59] 	I thought MW did some if ie6 magic?
[23:30:05] 	f/ that png fix?
[23:30:21] 	en.wp does, in JS
[23:30:28] 	So what do you recommend I do to get them to look fine in IE6?
[23:30:34] 	Save them as GIF instead?
[23:30:36] *TimLaqua 	points to Splarka
[23:30:46] 	JS?
[23:30:46] 	steal en.wp's magical JS doodad
[23:31:01] 	Whats the JS doodad (I'm new to all this)
[23:31:30] 	JS == JavaScript
[23:31:36] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[23:32:05] 	Holy jesus
[23:32:10] 	What the heck is all that for?
[23:32:19] 	Transparency on PNGs for IE6?
[23:32:30] 	just the bottom bit
[23:32:32] 	http://p.defau.lt/?tQRO_apVNPSsfeuZDxWXEg
[23:33:25] 	that file is all the site-specific javascript for the english wikipedia
[23:33:34] 	So I save the code in http://p.defau.lt/?tQRO_apVNPSsfeuZDxWXEg as Common.js and it'll work?
[23:34:15] 	in theory
[23:34:20] 	lol
[23:34:24] 	Lol
[23:34:29] 	Do I have to edit Localsettings?
[23:34:36] 	Boxy42: Edit "MediaWiki:Common.js" in your wiki
[23:34:42] 	paste that code in there
[23:34:49] 	it also introduces slowdowns and sometimes random oddness
[23:34:55] 	save, then clear your browser cache (CTRL+F5)
[23:35:10] 	Splarka - It'll slow down load wiki?
[23:35:15] 	All cuz IE6 sucks?
[23:35:16] 	in IE6, marginally
[23:35:18] 	JS is client side.
[23:35:21] 	OK
[23:35:32] 	PNG alpha transparency support is very new in the world of the internet
[23:35:38] 	As long as it's IE6 then I'm cool with it
[23:35:58] 	Doesn't "new" only last 15 seconds on the Internetz?
[23:35:59] 	you could convert to 1 bit transparency (GIF or PNG), more supported, but more ugly
[23:36:11] 	boxy: if everyone upgraded their browser immediately, sure
[23:36:21] 	I'll try pasting the code at the end of Common.js and see how she runs
[23:36:40] 	MediaWiki is so crazy when starting out
[23:36:48] 	no fault of mediawiki
[23:36:58] 	I'm not sure if Drupal would have been more complicated to learn
[23:37:07] 	Splarka - True
[23:37:09] 	older browsers, including IE6 and lower, don't support alpha transparency anywhere
[23:37:17] 	(except for this IE6 workaround)
[23:37:25] 	Could someone who normally writes extensions tell me how I could edit this extension to only count on EDITS?
[23:37:25] 	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PasswordProtected
[23:37:34] 	the fault is in relying on alpha transparency for design ^_^
[23:38:27] 	It worked!
[23:38:32] 	Thank you Jesus!
[23:38:42] 	And Splarka and TimeLaqua
[23:38:43] 	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Internet_Explorer_incompatibility
[23:38:48] 	if you want more light reading
[23:39:06] 	03(NEW) Bad datetime format in email confirmation email - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13540 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (lejonel)
[23:39:45] 	Zaerath: the wfPwsUsercan func in there is isolated to edit and viewsource actions
[23:40:15] 	What MediaWiki's do you guys run?
[23:40:24] 	TimLaqua: Thanks, also... How do I de-password a page? It says Special:Depassword, but then it wants an articleID function inserted...
[23:40:27] 	umm... 1.13alpha?
[23:41:42] 	Zaerath: umm... remove the asdf tag?
[23:42:09] 	TimLaqua: That did not work... It's still password-protected in the wiki.
[23:42:41] 	mm... it's got it's own little table...
[23:43:08] 	TimLaqua: Eh screw it, I'll just remove the table. What is the remove table command? Drop?
[23:43:19] 	that'll break the extension
[23:43:36] 	TimLaqua: Yeah, but I could remove the extension too, no?
[23:43:40] 	TimLaqua: It's not crucial.
[23:43:55] 	well, remove the extension from LocalSettings.php and you never have to worry about the password protection
[23:43:56] 	It's got bugs, as I can see... Not very user-friendly.
[23:44:01] 	Alrighty.
[23:44:25] 	and sure, you can DROP TABLE protect_pages;
[23:44:29] 	Thanks.
[23:45:41] 	TimLaqua: So what could I change in it to make it so only edits have a password? It was doing it on views, out of the box.
[23:46:36] 	Change function wfPwdUsercan( $title, $user, $action, &$result ) and remove title?