[00:00:17] Does anyone know how I can add asmins to my wiki? [00:00:35] sorrv admins [00:01:07] why? [00:01:18] you expcet a response in 40 seconds... [00:01:57] Does anyone know how I can make my parser function that reutrn HTML inline, currently it gerenates a new paragraph even if i use it like e.g. "This is a {{#parser:funciton}} test." [00:08:17] MinuteElectron: check how the core ones do it, maybe [00:08:24] > foo {{#tag:bar}} baz [00:08:28] returns: [00:08:33] > foo Unknown extension tag "bar" baz [00:08:47] Yeah, true. [00:09:18] same for ParserFunctions extension, like #expr [00:09:39] be sure the HTML you're returning is inlineable though, no block elements [00:11:48] Splarka: and [00:11:54] I dont' think they are block? [00:13:21] So, anyone know if there is a way to have pipes inside a parser function with the new pp? [00:13:41] what? [00:13:49] Minute: those should work [00:13:49] Isn't that automatically possible... [00:13:54] In the values [00:13:57] Not as separators [00:14:07] Dashiva: there was a misconception that they were required when covered, but they really wern't... [00:14:32] Splarka: hmm, odd; though - non of the parser functions output HTML though so it's difficult to compare. [00:14:33] {{#if:1|{{template{{!}}parameter}} }} [00:14:34] 03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089 (10brion) [00:14:45] that worked in the old PP, but you didn't need it [00:14:53] {{#if:1|{{template|parameter}} }} works in both [00:14:56] is that what you mean? [00:15:10] No, I mean a regular value, not a sub-brace [00:15:17] give minimal example [00:15:37] {{#ifeq|{{{var|}}}|"a|b"|true|false}} [00:16:07] how would you assign var to be a|b ? [00:16:24] var=a|b wouldn't work... [00:16:34] That's just a minimal example [00:16:40] well, give a working minimal example ^_^ [00:17:05] {{#ifeq|{{{var|}}}|true|"a|b"|"!a&!b"}} [00:17:17] {{!}} should work there, IIRC [00:18:08] obviously it wouldn't work if you needed the pipe in a super (outer) template call or parser function [00:18:22] but same goes for equals, they can no longer be generated by a sub function [00:18:58] eg {{foo|{{#ifeq|{{{var|}}}|true|a=b|a=c}}}} would make 1=a=b instead of a=b [00:19:14] so if you need just a literal pipe, {{!}} should work [00:19:21] Okays [00:19:40] or the html entity, maybe? [00:19:40] I figured the notice about {{!}} being equivalent to | applied to all use, not just sub-bracing [00:20:08] I'm looking into building tables using {{#dpl:}} [00:20:09] well, it isn't needed for subbracing, or, only in rare circumstances [00:20:18] eek [00:20:27] Yeah, that's my reaction too [00:20:31] nut! heh [00:20:37] But until 2257 is fixed, it's better than nothing [00:20:37] tried html? [00:21:43] Not yet, shouldn't be necessary with {{!}} working [00:22:06] Of course, it might not work, depending on when it's expanded... time will show [00:22:18] there is one odd feature in the old parser that wasn't replicated [00:22:22] for example: {{foo|bar{{!}}baz}} [00:22:33] with foo's contents: {{{{{1}}}}} [00:22:50] that would create a sub-template call of {{bar|baz}} in the old parser [00:23:08] but would only work if the {{{{{1}}}}} was in a parser function in the sub template [00:23:26] (doesn't work in new PP) [00:32:06] Does anyone here use StubManager? I installed it and now I am receiving the error: Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class StubManager [00:33:01] 03aaron * r32531 10/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/OldLocalFile.php: Timestamp should be matched [00:33:57] I really would like to use StubManager, most of my potential extensions require it. [00:34:47] BizzWiki extensions ;-) [00:35:09] Mainly ExtensionManager requires it. [00:38:27] Any solutions, guys? I am still getting that error, with older StubManagers too... [00:38:52] most of that guys extension are broken on latest version [00:39:10] Alright, well, guess I can't use like 5 extensions, then. Thanks. [00:48:53] 03brion * r32532 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: [00:48:53] Revert r32525 -- general processing should use TS_MW format consistently. [00:48:53] $db->timestamp() & $db->timestampOrNull() are to be used at the border between general processing and database access. [00:50:34] *AaronSchulz thinks about r32267 [00:51:33] brion: would the filearchive table have been better off to check sha1 rather than they key, which is sha1.ext ? [00:51:44] ? [00:51:57] I added the extension check to the oi_deleted stuff just to keep the scheme consistent [00:52:11] brion: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/filerepo/LocalRepo.php?r1=32267&r2=32271&sortby=date [00:54:00] filearchive table keys by hash + extension because that's the filename [00:54:13] the extension is necessary so we can serve the file out directly from a web server [00:54:24] otherwise i'd have used hash only, perhaps :) [00:54:31] which we don't do just yet of course, but it's the thought that counts right? [00:54:39] yeah ;) [00:54:41] baby steps [00:55:36] ok boys and girls, i'm gonna run [00:55:46] scap if you wanna, it looks ok though i haven't tried everything [00:55:51] been one of those days :D [00:56:02] TimStarling: what happens on the off change an .ogg collides with a .jpg ? [00:56:11] if it makes you feel any better, tomorrow is a 4 hour work day [00:56:13] first upload wins [00:57:20] brion: well currently, for uploads, they would be separate [00:57:25] and even when deleted [00:57:37] because of the ext. in the name/storage key [00:59:04] well, I guess the worse that could happen with oi_deleted is an extra file floating the the private directory [00:59:32] it would give overrode anyway if a collision occurred on delete [00:59:35] *get [01:02:17] TimStarling: can you look at bug 13459 if you get the change. Not sure on the best way to do this. Another table might be better. [01:03:23] hmm, some cruft in the patch, better make another [01:05:15] 03(mod) Private logging trough Special:Log interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13459 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [01:07:02] brion: I am amazed VP/T is bitching about SUL [01:07:07] *is not [01:11:07] 03(mod) Private logging through Special:Log interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13459 summary (10axel9891) [01:16:54] AaronSchulz: I think you've just missed the bitching elsewhere. [01:17:11] other than the communism stuff ;) [01:17:47] Communists have invaded the village pump? :O Quick, get 'em! Before they poison the water! [01:17:59] that was the mailing list [01:18:11] Yeah it was. [01:18:21] They're everywhere. [01:21:11] heh [01:21:22] they'd need to activate their global accounts, then they can be everywhere [01:26:59] has that WYSIWYG add-on for MediaWiki been made yet? [01:29:03] Messedrocker: There are several, I believe [01:29:08] !wysiwyg [01:29:08] --mwbot-- What You See Is What You Get editors allow you to create articles and see the text formatting without needing to Show Preview. A list of wysiwyg editor extensions may be found at . [01:29:28] oh sex [01:29:30] thank you [01:29:48] Sex? No, silly, these are developers. [01:31:40] ne here? [01:31:42] hi [01:31:48] someone here? [01:32:01] <^demon> YK_SysRes: Yes, what? [01:32:10] hello sir :) [01:32:32] I'm looking for info on how to run maintenance scripts on mediawiki [01:32:37] Is anyone here? I need a developer! [01:32:47] hi [01:32:51] i don't know what's a terminal emulator [01:32:52] Hello. [01:32:55] <^demon> MZMcBride: Use (!)developer. [01:32:56] *Werdna returns from his ext.2 maths exam [01:32:58] i've got a problem again [01:33:08] <^demon> Werdna: How'd it go? [01:33:10] rsvg doesn't do what i eant it to [01:33:21] <^demon> YK_SysRes: Can you login to your server's terminal? [01:33:25] YK_SysRes: In order to use the maintenance scripts, you have to run them from the command line. [01:33:28] <^demon> (ie: command line?) [01:33:31] php ... [01:33:44] ^demon: well, compared to other exams... it was an utter disaster. Compared to other candidates (what matters), it was pretty good. [01:33:57] i can connect to my server in 2 ways only [01:34:00] <^demon> Werdna: As long as you beat everybody else :-P [01:34:07] ftp and mysql database [01:34:13] ^demon: well, that's what matters. [01:34:20] I dunno what is that command line thing [01:34:35] does anybody know, what the right command-line parameters for rsvg are?? [01:34:42] <^demon> MZMcBride: Can you run those scripts other than from the CL? [01:34:44] ^demon: literally. that's how our grades are determined [01:35:12] <^demon> Werdna: There's days when I wish mine were...and there's days where I'm glad I'm not compared to fellow engineering majors. Some of them are a little too wrapped up in it :-P [01:35:17] where is that CL please? [01:35:22] ^demon: I don't think so. People have tried web-based PHP programs, but I don't think they're very successful. [01:35:31] what's a terminal emulator? [01:35:40] I think Werdna is pretty well wrapped up in school at the moment [01:35:41] YK_SysRes: You need to log in from a program like "Terminal" (for Mac). [01:35:49] <^demon> YK_SysRes: Unless you can login to your server from the command line (which you seem to say you can't) it can't be done. [01:35:53] If you're running Windows, go buy a Mac. ;) [01:35:54] TimStarling: not right this minute. I was last night, though. [01:36:09] i run windows [01:36:13] *Werdna now has a 3 day weekend, with half days on either end, to study for the next batch. [01:36:24] what program could i use on windows? [01:36:44] i use these parameters for rsvg, but it doesn't work: /usr/bin/rsvg -w$width -h$height $input $output [01:36:47] *^demon 's bosses are out of town at the moment, so work's been rather relaxing...it's like having all week off. [01:36:51] i tried nearly everything [01:37:17] please help :( [01:37:27] i won't buy mac [01:37:31] <^demon> Werdna: Oh btw, I wrote a new extension and have been looking for some input. Got a few minutes to glance over it and give some feedback? [01:37:38] YK_SysRes: Why do you want to run the maintenance scripts? [01:37:40] ^demon: sure [01:37:45] <^demon> YK_SysRes: There's a terminal program called "PuTTY" [01:37:52] <^demon> Runs on windows. [01:37:56] MZMcBride> I want to delete old revisions [01:38:03] Ohh. [01:38:17] I'm surprised no one's written an extension for that yet... [01:38:22] database has grow too big [01:38:26] <^demon> Werdna: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InterwikiList [01:38:50] MZMcBride> there is an extension but broken since 1.12 [01:38:53] <^demon> MZMcBride: I thought there /was/ an extension to completely nuke a revision, but it was kinda crappy. [01:39:05] Brion wrote one. ;) [01:39:13] But I thought that was only for existing articles. [01:39:14] because of removal of includes/HTMLForm.php [01:39:35] ^demon: You know there's a very similar extension to the one you wrote, right? [01:39:38] ^demon: in my reading list, will get to it [01:39:42] <^demon> YK_SysRes: You could do it from the mySQL interface (via phpmyadmin) [01:39:55] do what? [01:39:57] Oh dear. [01:40:08] I moved my Wiki database to another database. [01:40:17] Sadly, this have screwed up articles with special characters in them. [01:40:25] <^demon> Werdna/MZMcBride: I knew there was one similar, but it's a bit older and is for viewing and editing. I was gearing this towards a larger wiki where you might want your users to see them but not edit them necessarily. [01:40:41] Annoyingly, MediaWiki seems to have TWO ideas about what í is. [01:40:46] Ahh. Though, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki has a special right to edit them... [01:40:58] If it makes you happy to write an extension, though, go for it. :) [01:41:27] ... [01:41:56] <^demon> MZMcBride: That was the one that I got my idea from. Updated code and is designed for viewers in mind. I'll put it on a public-facing wiki in a moment if you'd like to see the end result. [01:42:08] Ooh, ok. [01:42:37] Though, I could just not be lazy and install it on my test wiki. ;) [01:42:49] The maintenance scripts must then be executed from the command line. <-- WHAT COMMAND LINE ??? WHERE ???? [01:43:01] YK_SysRes: Download PuTTY. [01:43:06] <^demon> Well, I'm going to need it on this wiki I'm working with. [01:43:14] <^demon> So I might as well go ahead and put it in now. [01:43:21] SysRes: What OS do you have? [01:44:23] why are you telling him to download PuTTY? [01:44:33] 'Cause he needs a command line. [01:44:35] he already said he's on a shared host with FTP access only [01:44:42] <^demon> MZMcBride: http://dev.veropedia.com/wiki/index.php/Special:InterwikiList [01:44:55] <^demon> TimStarling: Yes, but he still asked how to get a command line on Windows, so I told him. [01:45:04] It'll keep him distracted and not shouting in this channel? [01:45:04] so he can't use the scripts, i think [01:46:00] Very nice, ^demon. :) [01:47:10] <^demo1> Blasted pidgin. [01:47:41] <^demon> MZMcBride: Did you say anything after I posted the link? [01:47:58] Very nice, ^demon. :) [01:48:02] <^demon> Thanks. [01:50:56] Putty doesn't work for me [01:51:09] i don't own the entire server [01:51:21] only a domain [01:51:44] <^demon> Then there's nothing you can do about running those scripts. [01:51:55] <^demon> Talk to your provider and see if they will for you, tell them it will decrease database size. [01:52:06] how does this thing work anyway? it doesn't even ask my passwork :/ [01:52:31] How long does it take for MediaWiki to get that all the links actually work? [01:52:42] YK_SysRes: in the unlikely event that your PHP is not running in safe mode, you can use PHP Shell [01:52:43] can i do it on local? I have xampp & windows [01:52:45] So instead of displaying them as red, then blue. [01:53:04] another inquiry [01:53:04] nah it is running in safe mode [01:53:14] then you can't run them [01:53:18] but maybe i could do it on local? [01:53:33] is there an add-on where i can select a wikipedia article, and import the content and the article's dependencies into my own wiki? [01:53:34] I have xampp & windows [01:53:41] I heard you the first time, YK_SysRes [01:53:43] <^demon> You could run it on your local install, but that wouldn't affect your remote install. [01:54:08] but but then i would upload the updated db [01:54:22] i do all my wiki upgrade on local [01:54:38] you could use PhpMyAdmin to edit the database directly [01:54:44] that's how I'd do it [01:54:48] <^demon> If you have a local copy of the database, you could run it then import that database using phpmyadmin or something. [01:54:59] :( Anyone want to answer my question? [01:55:13] how am i supposed to delete evey old revision manually on p^hpmyadmin? [01:55:20] is that even possible [01:55:25] phpMyAdmin ftw [01:55:28] oh, I thought you just wanted to delete one or two [01:55:38] are you out of disk space or something? [01:56:03] the host threaten to delete my db because it too big [01:56:03] If you look here; http://theinfosphere.org/Main_Page << scroll done and look for the Bender link. It is red. But when you click, you can see that it contains an entire article. [01:56:15] i need to shrunk it [01:56:26] well, you could move to a better host [01:56:46] or you could download it and run maintenance/compressOld.php locally [01:56:54] ... i prefer to delete old revision, my host is good otherwise [01:57:04] it's free.fr [01:57:24] it's also my ISP [01:58:17] Anyone...? [01:58:20] Meh, I guess not. [02:00:09] TimStarling: want to see the funniest thing I've seen all day? [02:00:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Image:User.gif:_unintended_bias.3F [02:01:24] <^demon> Werdna: HA HA HA HA HA! [02:01:30] <^demon> You're /kidding/ me. [02:03:16] well this is *english* wikipedia [02:03:49] <^demon> I felt the need to reply. [02:05:28] <^demon> Werdna: You just made my day, thank you. [02:07:26] anyone know how I can make [image:] play nice with other divs? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:TheDaveRoss/test is the example [02:14:42] Werdna: want to see something that's not so funny? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Monobook.css&diff=201223946&oldid=200637703 [02:14:57] yeah, I know. [02:15:05] it's bizarre [02:15:53] *Werdna slaps MZMcBride [02:16:39] *AaronSchulz reads http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=260 [02:17:00] bye [02:17:19] svip: no red link appears, perhaps you have a cached version. action=purge might fix it for you too [02:17:36] <^demon> MZMcBride: Bad idea. [02:18:26] Thanks, Splarka. [02:30:06] if i need to work with parsed content translated to html should i use {{#foo:content}} or content? say i want to work with which i get from [[..|..]] or [.. ..] wiki syntax [02:32:37] #foo seems more easy [02:33:38] see extensions/ParserFunctions/ParserFunctions.php in function iferror() for something sorta doing that [02:34:01] {{#iferror:}} detects or with class="error" [02:34:20] when generated from an internal parserfunction, like #expr [02:37:04] 03dale * r32533 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 4 dirs): conformed roe export and parsing to http://svn.annodex.net/standards/roe/roe_1_0.xsd [02:37:46] Splarka: it seems to me it returns wikitext, doesn't it? [02:38:39] hmm? [02:41:15] when it returns then or else branch it returns wikitext or not? [02:42:44] well, it can be made to return the error-free expression, if a default is not supplied [02:43:02] <^demon|sleep> Goodnight all. [02:43:11] {{#iferror:{{#expr:{{{1|0}}} + 1}}|bad input}} [02:43:40] Hi! [02:44:06] is there an add-on where i can select a wikipedia article, and import the content and the article's dependencies into my own wiki? [02:44:57] Is there any way to mass copy templates from another mediawiki installation? I would hate to re create most of the templates used on wikipedia... :-) [02:45:51] Messedrocker > I think we are looking for the same answer :-) [02:46:09] Splarka: apparently my bad description. how about this: i need wikitext on input but html on output where the function will simply let parse the input but will edit the html output a bit [02:46:55] Messedrocker: what are "article dependencies"? [02:47:00] ahh, well, the contents of xml tag syntax, eg , usually bypasses the parser [02:47:19] so you'd want to go for #foo syntax in that case, I would imagine [02:47:38] (hence the need for #tag: to allow magicwords, parameters, parserfunctions, etc, in xml tags) [02:47:53] Danny_B, templates, and the dependencies of templates [02:47:55] that, or create a custom parser... [02:48:22] Messedrocker: the Special:Export has that option [02:48:50] Splarka, but is there an automated plugin? [02:48:51] although it isn't perfect... [02:49:03] where you enter a name and not only is it exported, it is also imported into the new wiki? [02:49:06] Splarka: don't want custom parser since the parameter can be pretty complicated wikitext thus i'd use the built in one [02:49:23] Messedrocker: you must import manualy [02:49:31] well, in that case, definitely {{#foo}} [02:49:31] of course [02:51:35] Splarka: ok, but sorry for being unable to describe it properly - doesn't {{#foo}} return wikitext? that means say i had {{#foo:[[bar]]}} would return [[bar]] where i'd need to work with bar [02:51:50] For those that show the latest articles on your main page, do you use code already in MediaWiki or is it an extension? [02:51:59] now is forbidden tag so wouldn't it be escaped? [02:52:24] Danny: hmm, well, that I don't know, but I know that parser functions have access to post-parsed data [02:52:50] but ask someone who knows php as to how ^_^ [02:53:01] Splarka: i actually care about the output, input is pretty easy [02:53:07] but thx anyway [02:53:24] Trump389: do you mean {{Special:Newpages/10}}? [02:53:35] {{#ifeq:{{link}}|{{link|parameter}}|yes|no}} returns yes, where {{link}} content is [[Foo]]. Same for {{#ifeq:[[{{link}}]]|[[{{link|parameter}}]]|yes|no}} where content is Foo [02:53:52] it *returns* wikitext, but it *sees* html [02:54:09] Splarka: why can't the tags pass things into the parser for processing when they result in output text? [02:54:15] Splarka: there we go. i need to return html [02:55:11] Danny_B - I have 3 different portals, and on the main page I want to show the latest 5 articles from the 3 portals. Can that be done using Special:Newpages/10? [02:55:25] Danny_B: well check ParserFunctions.php [02:55:32] lots of return of raw html mixed in there [02:55:49] Danny_B, there is no plugin or anything to automate this? if not, is such a thing possible? [02:55:53] return '' . wfMsgForContent( 'pfunc_time_too_long' ) . ''; [02:56:06] i guess i'll have to ask TimStarling for suggestions :-/ [02:56:38] random: I think because of the parse order [02:57:16] although they seem to exist simply to contain custom-parsed markup, like
, , , ... [02:57:17] Trump389: i wouldn't say so, but not saying hundred percent no [02:57:55] Danny_B - do you have any recommendations how I can do this? [02:57:59] Trump389: probably need DPL [02:58:37] DPL? [02:58:41] the parser can't be called recursively? [02:59:00] !dpl | Trump389 [02:59:00] --mwbot-- Trump389: The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [02:59:23] Splarka: now i see where is the misunderstanding - is allowed html thus wikitext, but i need to return unallowed html which would be escaped then [02:59:43] ahh [02:59:50] particulary speaking about now [03:00:01] but it may contain also other tags [03:00:23] if they are doable via wikitext but not via html [03:01:04] random832: that is what #tag is for [03:02:43] so i guess i'll need & {{#tag:}} then and use global parser in it to parse the wikitext into html which i can work with then [03:03:20] Splarka: but why don't the tags themselves do it? [03:03:24] *Splarka shrugs [03:03:26] why do you have to do the "trick it into calling the other phase in a different order" [03:03:35] random832: they're parsed on different level [03:03:38] instead of just doing it with the html-style tag itself [03:03:46] well, then you'd need to have another syntax to bypass the parser in tags that needed to [03:03:55] I mean, we don't have to have an {{#image:}} to get links in image captions [03:04:06] like
would have to be
or something silly [03:04:11] Splarka: um, why? [03:04:18] the only tag that needs that is nowiki [03:04:19] ... [03:04:37] and i'm suggesting, anyway, NOT doing the other stuff before tags [03:04:38] i'm suggesting [03:05:00] when you have a part of the syntax of a tag that, right now, generates normal output text [03:05:07] the implementation of the tag calls another copy of the parser with that text [03:05:11] or is the parser not re-entrant? [03:06:34] Danny_B: you might be able to use a different hook such as http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ParserAfterTidy [03:07:26] my point is, at some point, say, , or , has a copy of the full text of the contents of the tag, and at some point it returns a string containing raw HTML to be put in the page (i know tags return raw HTML and not wikicode because generates HTML that cannot be made with wikicode) [03:11:28] random832: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257#c13 [03:13:47] and 15 closed duplicate bugs [03:14:05] well, at least #tag works [03:14:06] if it was as easy and desirable as you claim, it probably would have been done [03:14:16] i've used it for serious purposes all of twice [03:14:33] once for an improvement to {{unblock}}, and once for a proof of concept (using $) on {{frac}} that ended up not being used
[03:16:29] I hear it fixed Template:Click pretty nicely on enwp
[03:16:39] allowing imagemap to replace the awful css offset
[03:17:45] I actually tried to use a similar CSS offset to superimpose text on an image for a userbox - couldn't get it to work
[03:18:14] maybe i'll look at an old version of click
[03:19:07] there are some crazy map templates that still do things like that
[03:19:17] dropping clickable image dots onto a blank map
[03:20:05] TimStarling: we found on q:cs: couple oddly parsed pages and suppose it started after the newpp became live. we are unable to find where's the error, because special:expandtemplates expands the same wikitext different way than the page itself does. let me find some link
[03:20:34] reduce to minimal example ^_^
[03:20:44] also, Special:Parserdifftest is still active IIRC
[03:22:21] TimStarling: eg http://cs.wikiquote.org/wiki/Aristotel%C3%A9s or http://cs.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anaxagor%C3%A1s etc.
[03:23:43] those pages have been correctly displayed for 100% befor newpp became live. i'm not saying it's because of newpp, but we've spotted these errors after it became live (but not saying it isn't caused by other updates)
[03:26:44] {{Uživatel:Martin Kozák/Vývoj/Šablona:Článek o člověku/Datum narození nebo úmrtí{{!}}{{{Den narození|}}}{{!}}{{{Rok narození|}}}}}
[03:26:48] what is this meant to do?
[03:27:07] I'm guessing whatever it is, it doesn't work in the new preprocessor
[03:27:38] apparently it should call the template with params
[03:27:56] it's just plain old bug 5678
[03:28:11] you should read the page on meta about the new preprocessor
[03:28:31] http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2008/03/27/news/local/doc47eb27bbc2ad6577838790.txt
[03:28:34] ...
[03:30:13] *Werdna sighs, and starts work on restrictions.
[03:30:24] my sexy new blocking system
[03:32:15] I'm new to this whole Wiki thing. Am I seeing category making far more complicated than it is? I want to have a category and then make articles for that category. 1. How do I create the category? 2. How do I make articles for that category? 3. How do I get articles I wrote for that category to be displayed on the category page? If there is a help page someone could point me to then that would be greatly appreciated
[03:32:30] AHA! you guys are amazing, i've been studying the source couple times unable to find the problem and you got it in a sec ;-)
[03:32:39] You create the category by putting pages in it
[03:32:52] to put a page in a category, put [[Category:YourCategoryName]] somewhere in the page
[03:33:01] a red link will appear down the bottom to the category page
[03:33:03] Danny_B: it's pretty easy, just open the templates and look for {{!}}
[03:33:06] click it to edit the page
[03:33:25] that's what the problem is, 9 times out of 10
[03:34:25] Werdna - And are there options as to how you want articles to be displayed on the category page (i.e. alphabetical, date ...)?
[03:34:59] Trump389: you can put [[Category:Category|sortkey]]
[03:35:04] and it will sort alphabetically by sortkey
[03:35:25] 03greg * r32534 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Apply timestampOrNull in the correct place, thanks to Brion for catching this.
[03:35:55] this {{#if:test|[[foo{{!}}bar]]|qux}} should be raplaced by vertical bar as well ?
[03:38:58] danny: that wasn't needed in the old parser either
[03:39:01] it just happened to work
[03:39:08] thx
[03:40:49] Werdna - It's alphabetical by default, how do I sort them by date?
[03:41:30] Trump389: try having [[Article name|{{REVISIONDATE}}]] (does that work, Tim?)
[03:44:15] Werdna - I placed the code in the category and it came up asking for a tempalte named "REVISIONDATE"
[03:45:34] TimStarling: what's the parserfunction for when the revision was saved?
[03:46:31] all supposed racial bias drahma aside, user.gif is a bit out of place next to the rest of monobook - what's the story behind the icon?
[03:46:32] Werdna - Would it be easier just to create a new page and put Dynamic Page list code on it to display all articles by date?
[03:46:41] {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP}}
[03:46:44] ?
[03:46:55] Trump389: try that, instead
[03:47:00] werd: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Page_names_and_related_info
[03:47:01] (what Splarka said)
[03:47:28] note it requires a purge or null edit afterwards IIRC
[03:47:39] heh, and a null edit used to increment it (fun bug)
[03:48:26] Splarka - rather than showing the letter I get a number "2"
[03:48:38]$

after it closes That's your issue. [05:02:28] lol, I just say that. I feel stupid for asking. thanks for answering. :) [05:02:37] saw that [05:02:54] TimStarling: what do you think one that would go well with monobook should look like? [05:03:10] because, honestly - the icon is orange and green, the old davinci theme was (as far as i can tell) orange and green [05:03:15] monobook now is gray and blue [05:03:25] and the icon is the only thing that is a hint of a different color [05:03:30] random832: thank you SO much again [05:03:38] well, it should stand out from the background a bit [05:03:40] thanks mzmcrbride. [05:03:44] bye [05:03:53] odes2: no problem, sorry i couldn't help more [05:03:57] If only I had that extra 'r'... [05:04:04] maybe we can add a few more icons with hints of colour [05:04:07] TimStarling: why? what good is having an icon that stands out there of all places? [05:04:10] then it wouldn't be the odd one out [05:04:10] Though it would pronunciation a bitch. [05:04:20] anyway, it's one in the morning so I must go. [05:04:41] TimStarling: well, if you say that a block is made up of a bunch of conditions, like action, user, page, et cetera, then the user has to meet all of those conditions for their edit to be disallowed. When you run a query against a list of conditions to get any that match, you've only got a list of matching conditions - you need to go BACK to the server to figure out which blocks they correspond to, and make sure that, for at least ... [05:04:46] There's no real benefit to having an icon at all. [05:04:47] ... one of the blocks, every condition is met. Could that be done in one roundtrip? [05:05:23] davinci _appears_ to have had more icons scattered about [05:05:26] sure there is [05:05:28] it looks pretty [05:06:27] though it actually looks like those are the external link icons,. mostly [05:06:58] eh, it's late. too late. bye. [05:38:08] 03(mod) Preferences bug in new project after unifying login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13536 (10andrewcleung) [05:47:05] 03(WONTFIX) Do not SUBST: namespace names (etc.) in user preferences signature. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13480 +comment (10dan_the_man) [06:04:53] Is the Wikipedia "citation" feature enabled via a plugin? [06:10:18] jb2: yes. it's the Cite extension [06:11:14] This ? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite [06:14:43] yes [06:14:59] ok, thanks! [06:41:23] 03dale * r32535 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/maintenance/ogg_thumb_insert.php: updaed insert script (uses stream_name insted of id) [07:17:51] Does anybody know which extension causes reference data to be all tiny and cute and blue? [07:18:55] i think it's just a css style in Mediawiki:Common.css [07:22:08] On https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/index.cgi?GoAheadAndLogIn=1#forgot it says "enter your login name below" but that should read "enter your e-mail address" [07:22:51] or maybe this is a filter to get rid of the clueless [07:24:10] Heh. [07:25:38] LA2: in bugzilla your login name is an e-mail address [07:26:15] that's why I couldn't remember my password for LA2 [07:26:34] now it works [07:27:58] is this bugzilla or Mediawiki? It looks like a strange mix [07:28:16] mediazilla [07:28:25] isn't bugzilla supposed to have a column for "module" or "product" or something such? [07:29:04] lol, SUL is bug id=57 [07:38:32] Can I retrieve the specialPageAliases (e.g. Special:Upload => Spezial:Hochladen) through the MediaWiki API? I don't seem to find this through Allmessages. [07:45:42] 03(NEW) Retrieve specialPageAliases through API Query Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13541 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (lars) [07:46:44] Bug 13541 Submitted [07:52:58] 03(mod) Table sorting with "sm=n" broken. (possible fix included) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13535 (10river) [08:04:09] hi folks. my software company is moving towards a collaborative documentation platform, and mediawiki's the obvious choice. but there are some things we don't know how to handle... [08:04:54] for starters, categorization. we want to store explanations of business terms. we also want a glossary of business terms. so we made a Business_Term category, and tagged all business terms accordingly [08:05:32] but we also want to find the business terms related to a particular product, so we made Business_Term:Some_Product categories instead [08:05:46] once we did that, we lost a way to list all business terms :s [08:06:01] is there any sort of hierarchical categorization we can use? [08:06:13] maybe DPL2 [08:06:18] !dpl2 [08:06:18] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "dpl2". [08:06:25] !dynamicpagelist [08:06:25] --mwbot-- The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see and . [08:06:27] mers: visit the page [[Category:Business Terms]] [08:06:47] ah, wait, you remove the main category? [08:07:00] methinks Semantic MediaWiki would work best [08:07:01] you can have two categories on one page, or you can put a category into another category [08:07:02] mers, you can include each page in multiple categories [08:07:13] then you can include categories in (higher) categories [08:07:29] lol, four users four sugestion :) [08:07:41] no, me and LA2 both made the same correction suggestion ;) [08:07:59] Hmmm... wait depends on the context [08:08:01] redundancy for high availability [08:08:26] we didn't want to have two categories. combination of don't repeat yourself and don't trust your user to do more than the bare minimum. odds are asking somebody to put [[Category:x]] _and_ [[Category:x:1]] means they'll forget one or the other [08:08:56] [[Category:x:1]] implies Category:x [08:09:04] mers: not in mediawiki it doesn't [08:09:07] but you can edit [[Category:x:1]] to include [[Category:x]] [08:09:08] and even though i may know better, users will forget that [08:09:13] Well, that's one thing you can use templates for [08:09:25] Dantman|FS: good point [08:09:37] mers: if you use a subcategory, you only need to add [[Category:x]] when you create a new category [08:09:41] Though in this kind of case, SMW might have something similar to what you want [08:09:44] not when categorising a page [08:10:09] hang on, let me read everything you guys wrote :) [08:12:55] i'll look at SMW a bit more [08:13:08] smw seems rather excessive just for this [08:13:17] considering exactly what you want to do is built into mediawiki :) [08:14:15] flyingparchment: it's not built in as far as a i can tell. what i want is to tag a page with a subcategory such that listing the pages of a category shows all the pages of its subcategories. [08:14:29] *with just a subcategory [08:14:48] there might be extensions for that though? [08:15:02] is a subcategory logically different? [08:15:14] ? [08:15:16] or is it just a 2d category? [08:15:20] perhaps you want this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree [08:17:08] flyingparchment: i saw it briefly, will dig into it later [08:19:37] though since we're on the categorization subject, i'll move onto the next related question. if you guys have used a wiki for software product documentation, could you give me some idea in information partitioning? for example, i have products Product1 and Product2. when i have pages specific to those products, should i: 1) use a namespace, 2) use a category, 3) put the product name in the page title? [08:22:49] i.e. 1) Product1:Some_Page, 2) Some_Page contains [[Category:Product1]] or 3), Some_Page_(Product1) [08:26:33] mers, you can't search categories by default [08:26:49] but you can search namespaces, and search particular ones by default based on user prefs [08:27:46] so my (admittedly n00b) view/understanding is that namespaces are what you should use to seperate content areas [08:29:31] 14(INVALID) Preferences bug in new project after unifying login - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13536 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [08:31:18] namespaces aren't a very good idea for things like products where you are going to have many of them [08:31:27] Though, smw does have the browse feature [08:32:10] And I think there might be an external service which would be able to do searches through the rdf [08:33:39] i don't know the performance hits involved in using smw though [08:34:28] that being said, i'm sure mediawiki is already being used in similar environments. curious if there are best practices running around that i should read [08:34:35] a similar problem is versioning [08:34:43] guten morgen [08:34:51] lol [08:35:00] More performance hits in DPL than in SMW [08:35:13] if i want documentation for Product1 version 1 and Product2 version 2, how do i go about naming pages/categorizing/tagging pages [08:35:32] could someone explain the dif between wgScriptPath and wgScriptDirectory? I read teh wiki docs, but just need a bit of clrification [08:35:44] *Style [08:35:47] not Script [08:44:12] riiiight [08:44:20] good morning [08:51:26] T_T Compiling php takes to long [08:52:00] rewolf: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgStyleDirectory http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgStylePath http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgStyleSheetPath [09:04:05] I am using short urls... ie. Alias /BLA C:/.../mywiki and wgArticlePath="/BLA/$1" [09:04:09] ok, but... [09:04:30] links all work fine, except for the ones at the top (like edit and Login etc.) [09:04:52] wat is my mistake? [09:11:59] nvm working [09:16:40] hi [09:17:11] hi [09:17:14] does anybody know in what cases "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in." does appear when editing a page? [09:17:31] since my session data is not lost at all [09:17:36] not i - i r a noob [09:17:43] sori [09:18:02] ff-wonko: it can mean that you took so long to edit a page that the session expired. (if you clicked 'remember me' when logging in, you won't see yourself logged out even if that happened) [09:18:26] you don't by any chance know why MediWiki:Sidebar doesnt exist do you? [09:18:38] on my old 1.3.6 wiki [09:18:47] rewolf: because that feature wasn't in 1.3 [09:18:59] so howcome there's a customized nav bar? [09:19:08] perhaps someone edited the source [09:19:09] i need to see their source lol [09:19:13] re [09:19:20] oh ok.. in the db... bleak [09:19:34] no, in the source code [09:19:41] oh. [09:19:49] @flyingparchment: that's impossible. that edit was made by a bot. logging in, reading the page an saving it did take less than like one second. [09:19:51] !session | ff-wonko [09:19:51] --mwbot-- ff-wonko: make sure session.save_path is set correctly in your php.ini. Verify that it exists, is readable and writable to PHP, and check that session data is actually being written there. On a server farm, make sure it's a shared directory, accessible from all servers. [09:20:06] that wiki isn't mine. [09:20:24] if i run the bot from my laptop everything is fine. [09:20:29] ff-wonko: err, it only happened for the bot edit? perhaps it failed to repost all the necessary hidden fields, or it mangeled the cookie values? [09:20:35] if i run it on my server, the session data is lost [09:20:55] no, it posted all fields, of that i'm sure. [09:21:04] i grep the form first. [09:21:21] cookies are fine, too. [09:21:32] well... if it works from one place and not the other, there has to be a difference on the client side. [09:21:47] have you sniffed and compaqred the actual http traffic? [09:22:04] yes. [09:22:20] same requests, only last response is diffrent [09:22:30] then it has to be evil server pixies [09:22:38] lol [09:24:00] is the enctype the same? [09:24:12] posted the issue here by the way: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk/Sections/System#Session_data_lost.2C_even_though.2C_it_is_not (with more information, and my script, of course), dunno if that's the right place [09:24:30] how do you know it's not lost? [09:25:49] result[:response].body["Sorry.*"] gives me "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in." and no changes are made. [09:26:05] it hase to be result[:response].body[/Sorry.*/] [09:27:00] i get the edit page again with that message [09:27:20] when i submit the form. [09:27:40] it's not lost... [09:27:58] did not read right, sorry [09:28:30] i think it's not lost, since i stay logged in and that's handled by the session, i think. [09:29:09] maybe it is lost, but why should it? [09:31:16] it's simply that i don't see the difference in running it on my server or running it on my laptop. [09:32:50] since it's the same os, the same software, even my laptops internet traffic is tunneled through the server. [09:34:38] we don't see the difference either. [09:34:46] where can i get a list of all mediawiki pages? [09:34:50] the problem is: how the hell would the wiki server see a difference? [09:34:55] marvxx1: Special:Allpages [09:35:21] Duesentrieb: sorry it was a stupid question...i didnt checked the first entry of specialpages [09:36:12] Duesentrieb: that's what i don't understand, neither. [09:36:47] <_wooz> lo [09:37:11] btw: enctype is application/x-www-form-urlencoded [09:38:20] *Splarka nods [09:38:52] i even tried using my laptops cookies with the server (the only difference is the session id), same result. [09:42:21] should i post this to the mailing list to get some developers oppinion or something? [09:42:27] *Splarka snickers at archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20040401084859/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges [09:53:22] for wat reason would my table-borders not be showing up? [09:57:50] 03(NEW) Bot loses session data when running on server - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13542 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (konstantin.mailinglists) [10:05:33] 03(FIXED) Disable local file upload on Russian Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13257 (10tstarling) [10:10:02] hello? [10:20:55] 03(mod) Language code of Taiwanese/Holo, Cantonese Wikipedias - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8217 +comment (10mickewiki) [10:31:31] is there anybody out there, who canhelp me... [10:31:39] who can save me from this problem.. [10:31:40] a hero [10:31:46] sykar [10:31:48] sylar [10:31:49] lol [10:32:04] TABLES!!! SHOW UP!! [10:32:50] rewolf: what seems to be the problem? [10:37:11] I assume that the default border width for tables is 0? [10:37:22] how can i change the default. which css? [10:37:47] just add custom css to the table itslef [10:38:01] {| style="