[00:02:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting rewritten subpagelist extension for Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13066  (10brion)
[00:13:02] <snopy1alpha>	oh cool, I found it out myself
[00:13:23] <snopy1alpha>	anyone interested in the solution?
[00:15:11] <snopy1alpha>	well, if not, just ignore me, but I will tell you now
[00:15:40] <snopy1alpha>	the problem was, I wanted to disable the toolbox at the right side for users that are not logged in
[00:16:43] <snopy1alpha>	I knew I had to change something in the the php-file of my custom skin
[00:17:26] <derwin>	lol, Duesentrieb, I remembered last night where I had heard your nick.. in America we call you "Gyro Gearloose" ;)
[00:17:51] <Duesentrieb>	uh, yes, i know...
[00:18:17] <derwin>	I know you know, I just wanted to tell you that I had a eureka moment and remembered reading dagobert duck comics :)
[00:18:36] <snopy1alpha>	I located the creation of the toolbox and wanted to put the whole creation into an if-statement. The problem was, I did not know the condition to check for. Now I know, it is $wgUser->isLoggedIn()
[00:18:54] <Duesentrieb>	snopy1alpha: congratulations :)
[00:19:34] <snopy1alpha>	sometimes it is too easy ;-)
[00:20:44] <snopy1alpha>	I wonder if my question was a stupid thing to ask ...
[00:25:13] <MinuteElectron>	I have a page that won't include, what can I do?
[00:26:56] <snopy1alpha>	anyway, thanks for agonizing my babble ;-)
[00:33:56] <derwin>	if I want to style ToC sections differently, how would I do that?
[00:34:31] <derwin>	ie, = Step 1 <style 1>= ==Substep 1 <style 2>==
[00:35:26] <Duesentrieb>	derwin: define styles for h2, h3, etc...
[00:35:44] <Duesentrieb>	well, that's for the headings. for the toc entries, there are the respective classes
[00:36:34] <derwin>	I want to automagically class the text in the sections, I guess is what I'm saying
[00:37:02] <derwin>	I am looking at Wikimedia:Section
[00:39:08] <derwin>	I could manually class the section text, I suppose.. seems.. inelegant..
[00:40:31] <Duesentrieb>	sections in html (and this wikitext) are not text blocks.
[00:40:44] <Duesentrieb>	so you can't style a section.
[00:41:22] <Duesentrieb>	the logical structure of sections and subscetions is somewhat ethereal.
[00:41:34] <Duesentrieb>	(this sucks, but it's like that in most markup languages, it seems)
[00:44:17] <derwin>	ok, that's kinda what I thought.
[01:00:35] <jlerner>	MinuteElectron: yt?
[01:02:25] <NedScott>	is it possible force new accounts to being auto-confirmed before uploading images, like how they have to wait before pagemoves on en.wikipedia.org?
[01:04:18] <carl-m>	not only possible, I think it has been made active on wikimedia
[01:04:33] <NedScott>	awesome
[01:04:38] <carl-m>	one sec
[01:05:18] <carl-m>	NedScott: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Autoconfirmed_uploads
[01:06:00] <NedScott>	ha, great timing for me to ask
[01:06:18] <NedScott>	so it's something a dev would have to set?
[01:06:49] <carl-m>	I believe it's the same as all the other autoconfirmed settings, that have to be done by a dev
[01:07:51] <MinuteElectron>	jlerner: ?
[01:07:57] <MinuteElectron>	jlerner: I fixed the problem anyway.
[01:08:14] <jlerner>	the problem with Click?
[01:08:18] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[01:08:18] <MinuteElectron>	right
[01:08:20] <MinuteElectron>	no
[01:08:26] <MinuteElectron>	what does yt mean?
[01:08:30] <jlerner>	you there?
[01:08:33] <MinuteElectron>	oh
[01:08:35] <MinuteElectron>	yeah :)
[01:08:39] <jlerner>	isn't what you wrote about just another case of: 
[01:08:39] <jlerner>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Icon/Icon.php?r1=30400&r2=30870
[01:09:47] <MinuteElectron>	similar
[01:10:03] <MinuteElectron>	but I paid more attention to ensuring the links tables were updated
[01:10:29] <MinuteElectron>	but thanks for that link though, it might help me
[01:10:43] <MinuteElectron>	i must be going now, goodnight
[01:11:15] <MinuteElectron>	bye
[01:14:19] <jlerner>	MinuteElectron: oh i didn't mean the purpose of the extension - just the problem you ran into with return HTML inline...
[01:21:08] <MZMcBride>	!conf | MrZ-man 
[01:21:08] --mwbot--	MrZ-man: For an example LocalSettings.php, see <http://pruebita.com/conf/LocalSettings.php>.
[01:21:17] <MrZ-man>	?
[01:21:33] <MZMcBride>	Earlier, that may have helped.
[01:21:40] <MrZ-man>	h
[01:21:44] <MrZ-man>	*ah
[01:21:49] <lymeca>	I have a wiki set up on a mediawiki isntallation hosted by GoDaddy and I want to move it to my own server running MediaWiki 1.20.0 and latest stable versions of PHP, MySQL, and Apache2 on Debian
[01:21:57] <MrZ-man>	(how the hell did I spell "ah" wrong??)
[01:22:11] <lymeca>	What to I need to migrate over besides the document-root dir and the SQL dump of the appropriate database?
[01:22:32] <MrZ-man>	MZMcBride: yours is a lot more organized than mine :P
[01:22:38] <MZMcBride>	!backup | lymeca 
[01:22:38] --mwbot--	lymeca: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[01:22:52] <MZMcBride>	MrZ-man: I purrtied it up for public display. ;)
[01:23:04] <MrZ-man>	mine is a random jumble of stuff
[01:23:19] <MrZ-man>	occasionally indented for some organization 
[01:23:23] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[01:32:50] <derwin>	is a section aware of what section it is?
[01:32:57] <MZMcBride>	No.
[01:34:29] <derwin>	lame :/
[01:37:59] <JZA>	hi 
[01:38:07] <JZA>	I wanna know about the conditional files from mediawiki
[01:38:18] <JZA>	err... styles
[01:38:55] <JZA>	can anyone mention the styles used for firefox
[01:39:00] <JZA>	as in  firefox fixes
[01:39:10] <JZA>	I need to do some positioning
[01:39:15] <derwin>	heh, JZA?
[01:39:28] <derwin>	are you the JZA I know?
[01:39:36] <JZA>	derwin: I have no Idea
[01:41:06] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32560 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (13 files in 7 dirs): 
[01:41:06] <CIA-44>	improved sequence support
[01:41:06] <CIA-44>	* search integration into sequencer
[01:41:06] <CIA-44>	* oldid support for pulling old sequence revisions
[01:51:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Categories need piping feature to list by alternative name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=491  +comment (10mkoyle)
[01:57:18] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32561 10/trunk/extensions/ (25 files in 24 dirs): 
[01:57:18] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations for extension messages
[01:57:18] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations for extension messages
[02:47:22] <Saijanai>	I tried to upload an extremely simple svg image to a wiki and got the following error message. Obviously I need to use a more common font?
[02:47:26] <Saijanai>	Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to read font `/usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019004l.pfb'.
[02:47:39] <MZMcBride>	Does the wiki have SVG support?
[02:48:30] <Saijanai>	If I clock on the link for the image, it shows properly....
[02:48:40] <Saijanai>	click* on
[02:49:06] <Saijanai>	so I assume it has *some* level of support
[02:51:29] <MZMcBride>	On the Image: page?
[02:52:14] <Saijanai>	https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/images/e/e4/Simple_test.svg right
[02:55:08] <MZMcBride>	That's your browser rendering it.
[02:55:16] <MZMcBride>	The software needs to be able to render it as well.
[02:55:38] <MZMcBride>	For example, on Wikipedia, the software converts all SVGs to PNGs to ensure browser compatibility.
[02:56:53] <Saijanai>	ah, so I need to use a different format for upload I guess
[02:58:58] <Saijanai>	yeah, the ony .svg images the wiki is using contain no font info so I guess svg is out. THanks
[03:00:07] <MZMcBride>	SVG support is hard to get working properly. It's usually easier to just use PNG or JPG.
[03:14:06] <m3cr3d1s>	anyone know a thing or two abnout semantic media wiki?
[03:14:21] <jlerner>	a little
[03:14:39] <m3cr3d1s>	I'm having an issue where once i specify the datatype of a property
[03:14:50] <m3cr3d1s>	it stops seeing pages with that property
[03:15:31] <m3cr3d1s>	its like media wiki isn't refreshing itself
[03:21:50] <m3cr3d1s>	oh. weird
[03:21:52] <m3cr3d1s>	figured it out
[03:22:11] <m3cr3d1s>	you must put text into the "Type: String" page if you want to use [[has type:string]]
[03:22:20] <m3cr3d1s>	e.g. Type: String cannot be empty
[03:22:28] <m3cr3d1s>	too bad it installs that way
[03:22:29] <m3cr3d1s>	: /
[03:23:56] <m3cr3d1s>	or not ... my property pages still say there are "0 pages using this property"
[03:23:57] <m3cr3d1s>	:(
[03:26:17] <k4jcw>	Hello.  On this page, http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/RS232_db9_pinout  can someone tell me how they set up the tables to use thin borders and the background color of the header cells?  I've looked at the MediaWiki:Common.css page and don't see any skinning.  Or is this part of some other skin?
[03:27:24] <m3cr3d1s>	Hah! Figured it out for real this time
[03:27:45] <m3cr3d1s>	there can't be anyspaces after the :: in [[property::value]]
[03:30:28] <MZMcBride>	k4jcw: Check the page source.
[03:31:54] <k4jcw>	I did.
[03:32:18] <k4jcw>	Both the wiki page source, and the HTML source.  Can't see how it's being done.
[03:32:40] <MZMcBride>	Search for "css".
[03:35:15] <Dantman>	Hmmm... reminds me of that class listing extension I was considering
[03:36:35] <k4jcw>	Isn't Firefox supposed to have a DOM inspector?  I've never messed with it, and I'm not seeing it in the Tools -> Web Development (which doesn't exist either).
[03:40:27] <MZMcBride>	It's under the Tools menu in my version of Firefox.
[03:43:10] <fale>	hi
[03:43:20] <fale>	 I want have a local version of wikipedia and after update it in svn style (download only the differences). Is that possible?
[03:54:43] <random833|away>	k4jcw: it's in MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[04:08:07] <Random832>	UninvitedCompany thinks the value of $wgRCMaxAge is confidential - is there any reasonable basis for his belief?
[04:09:34] <MZMcBride>	It sort of it.
[04:09:41] <MZMcBride>	It sort of is. *
[04:10:17] <Random832>	I mean, even _without_ seeing the publicly available (and google-indexed) config files, it can be deduced from simply looking at recent changes or one's watchlist
[04:10:34] <MZMcBride>	Yeah.
[04:10:41] <MZMcBride>	It's just not shouted.
[04:10:45] <Random832>	eh
[04:11:13] <Random832>	i'd be more inclined to think that it is rather the fact that recentchanges is the checkuser table is what's not shouted
[04:11:34] <MZMcBride>	Right.
[04:11:52] <Random832>	I have heard that wikimedia checkuser also permanently stores the account creation IP and the last login IP
[04:11:56] <MZMcBride>	Basically, no one is supposed to go around telling sockpuppets that their actions are undetectable using CheckUser after 30 days.
[04:12:00] <Random832>	however, I don't even recall where I heard this
[04:12:20] <MZMcBride>	That's not true.
[04:12:28] <Random832>	(it's widely believed on WR, though, that the account creation IP is permanently stored. they seem to think checkuser data is otherwise kept for 90 days)
[04:12:44] <MZMcBride>	All of it is in the recentchanges table, which is only kept for 30 days.
[04:13:14] <Random832>	eh
[04:13:37] <Random832>	I don't like the idea that it being "shrouded in mystery" means one can't point out the obvious fact that someone was checkusered for no good reason
[04:14:06] <Random832>	by allowing them to claim "oh, no, we only checked him _after_ he got involved in BADSITES drama"
[04:20:06] <Random832>	hey, question
[04:20:19] <Random832>	supposedly there is a permission - which sysops and bots have - which allows moving a page without creating a redirect at the source
[04:20:30] <Random832>	how do you actually do this? it doesn't seem to be allowed by the interface
[04:21:31] <MZMcBride>	It's in the software, but it's not enabled on WMF wikis.
[04:21:41] <MZMcBride>	It's called suppressredirects.
[04:22:19] <Random832>	I was looking at WM configuration when I first saw the word "suppressredirects"
[04:23:25] <MrZ-man>	this will show you all the rights you have - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=rights
[04:23:46] <MrZ-man>	hmmm
[04:23:49] <Random832>	I couldn't find any interface for it in the source for Special:Movepage, anyway
[04:23:50] <MrZ-man>	I seem to have suppressredirect
[04:23:54] <Random832>	does it show up as a checkbox normally?
[04:24:02] <MZMcBride>	We do. But that's something goofy about it.
[04:24:18] <Random832>	like i said, sysops and bots have it
[04:24:19] <MZMcBride>	It's either not in the software or it's disabled. All I know is that we cannot currently suppress them.
[04:24:29] <Random832>	I know I was looking at a config file on noc.wikimedia.org
[04:24:30] <MZMcBride>	And, it was a very controversial bug.
[04:25:26] <Random832>	or maybe i was looking in the default
[04:25:33] <Random832>	but there's nothing in the conf to override them
[04:25:54] <MZMcBride>	There's a private settings file; could be in there.
[04:26:04] <Random832>	well, I do have suppressredirect
[04:26:14] <Random832>	but I don't seem to have a button for it
[04:27:41] <MZMcBride>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=27774 ?
[04:28:52] <Random832>	ok... so it's a boolean passed into moveTo
[04:30:07] <Random832>	it's not passed in from movepage
[04:30:30] <Random832>	so basically
[04:30:33] <Random832>	i have permission to do it
[04:30:37] <Random832>	but nothing to actually let me do it
[04:31:41] <Random832>	ok, it looks like it works via the api
[04:31:50] <Random832>	except i'm guessing that using the api to move pages is disabled on wm
[04:35:52] <Random832>	what's the bug for enabling api edit?
[04:42:37] <h64>	sup dudes
[04:43:13] <h64>	suggesting making $IP a constant
[04:45:23] <h64>	has this been discussed yet?
[04:46:55] <BoL>	um, hi! i have a question. i just finished setting up my own wiki and am figuring out how to change the config settings, but i can't access LocalSettings.php.
[04:47:10] <h64>	BoL: you cant access it?
[04:47:29] <BoL>	I can't access it via a browser
[04:47:35] <h64>	ah
[04:47:36] <BoL>	when i try to edit it, it's all blank
[04:47:40] <h64>	you have to edit it manually
[04:47:49] <h64>	its a config file, it doesnt have output
[04:47:58] <h64>	use ftp 
[04:48:19] <BoL>	ok
[04:57:16] <BoL>	i've edited LocalSettings.php once and it corrupts the entire wiki, and it's empty. Does anyone know anything on how to program before you implement the LocalSettings without corrupting the wiki?
[04:57:34] <MrZ-man>	you probably did something wrong
[04:57:35] <h64>	what
[04:57:37] <h64>	yeah
[04:58:06] <h64>	its empty?
[04:58:15] <h64>	as in you downloaded it with ftp and theres nothing in it?
[04:59:01] <BoL>	no, i can edit using my host
[04:59:06] <BoL>	it's 5 KB and there's nothing in it
[05:00:02] <MZMcBride>	How can something be 5 KB and empty?
[05:00:36] <BoL>	beats me...
[05:00:37] <tale>	BoL: You are looking at it the wrong way
[05:00:43] <tale>	It is text file, not HTML.
[05:01:06] <BoL>	so i need a php editor for it to be accessible
[05:01:19] <tale>	Look at LocalSettings.php with text editor or from the command line with type LocalSettings.php.
[05:01:32] <tale>	BoL: Why do you think you need PHP editor?
[05:01:35] <h64>	lol
[05:01:38] <h64>	BoL
[05:01:41] <h64>	use
[05:01:42] <h64>	notepad
[05:01:53] <BoL>	ok...
[05:02:31] <BoL>	ok thanks you guys
[05:02:38] <h64>	wooops
[05:19:14] <BoL>	one more thing: how do i enable image uploads?
[05:19:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[05:20:03] <BoL>	anyone?
[05:20:18] <tale>	BoL: Look in FAQ about uploads.
[05:20:29] <tale>	!uploads
[05:20:29] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[05:20:43] <tale>	!uploads | BoL
[05:20:43] --mwbot--	BoL: File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[05:21:01] <BoL>	i'm reading it right now
[05:22:27] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Requesting rewritten subpagelist extension for Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13066  +comment (10mccormack)
[05:22:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Activate SubPageList3 extension on English Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13163  (10mccormack)
[05:22:51] <BoL>	thx
[05:23:05] <tale>	BoL: My pleasure.
[05:23:48] <BoL>	great, now the wiki's broken...
[05:24:03] <iubito>	hello
[05:24:18] <iubito>	I've a parsing problem with template limits comment
[05:24:22] <iubito>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits
[05:24:57] <iubito>	In my wiki I use some == {{mytemplate}} ==
[05:25:42] <iubito>	the html comment is in the title, enclosed in <p> </p> in the middle of my generated title... not really good :P and the TOC has comment in the link name!
[05:26:08] <iubito>	http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Araber_Tantz#Grille_d.27accords.0A.3C.21--_.0ANewPP_limit_report.0APreprocessor_node_count:_11.2F1000000.0APost-expand_include_size:_0.2F2097152_bytes.0ATemplate_argument_size:_0.2F2097152_bytes.0A--.3E
[05:27:32] <tale>	iubito: And you are sure you have written valid HTML to your template?
[05:28:32] <tale>	But I have noticed that the MW parser does not understand comments as comment, it just passes it on to the generated HTML.
[05:29:11] <iubito>	my template use extension for 2 images and another extension for language
[05:29:12] <iubito>	http://www.tousauxbalkans.net/Modèle:Grille_d'accords
[05:29:24] <iubito>	before that comments there were no problem
[05:29:53] <iubito>	no there is probably a line break and my 2nd image is considered as in a <pre> because of a space... and the line break is just before the space
[05:30:20] <tale>	iubito: Yes, the comments create problems in certain situations. Perhaps you could remove HTML comments from those templates you use inside == headings?
[05:30:55] <iubito>	Yes, I want to remove the comments, I don't need them, and they break titles and links
[05:31:05] <iubito>	(see the ugly link I posted just before)
[05:31:09] <tale>	iubito: Are you using images inside == headings?
[05:32:09] <iubito>	I use images, yes but not [[Image:cd.gif]] which creates a link to the image page. I created a small extension which displays image without link, as if I entered the html <img src=... /> (which is not possible)
[05:32:50] <iubito>	so my template is 1 extension for image, 1 extension for multi-lang, 1 extension again for image
[05:33:08] <iubito>	and I call my template == {{Grille d'accords}} ==
[05:33:11] <tale>	iubito: I see you are way more adwanced in using MW than me, a mere mortal in MediaWiki ways. I bow my head before you skills and withdraw.
[05:33:55] <iubito>	you'll be a wiki master, one day, my son :D
[05:43:34] <stat>	how do i put a pic on the right of the page?
[05:47:37] <iubito>	Parser.php hacked ! :D no more comments
[05:52:15] <McCormack>	I have had the following comment/review from Brion on my subpage extension: "To correctly handle cache updates, uses on a page should be registered at links-update time, and creation/deletion of a subpage can trigger update jobs for registered pages." Does anyone know of some existing code in MW which shows me how to do this?
[05:57:01] <Mufka>	What is the preferred method for centering something in a template?
[05:58:46] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32562 10/trunk/extensions/ (32 files in 32 dirs): 
[05:58:47] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations for extension messages
[05:58:47] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations for extension messages
[06:06:41] <iubito>	Mufka> <div style="text-align: center;">blabla</div> ?
[06:24:02] <McCormack>	I'll rephrase slightly. I probably need the smartest MW hacker in the room to help me with a job queue puzzle set by Brion. Any takers? ;-)
[06:42:02] <MrZ-man>	you could always just ask Brion :)
[06:43:27] <McCormack>	MrZ-man: yes, but he isn't here ;-) And I'm sure there are a few other geniuses around ;-)
[06:43:54] <Dantman|afk>	Puzzle?
[06:43:57] <McCormack>	Anyway, I'm guessing that extension CategoryTree may contain the solution.
[06:44:15] <McCormack>	Puzzle: involves caching and job queues.
[06:44:37] <McCormack>	I have had the following comment/review from Brion on my subpage extension: "To correctly handle cache updates, uses on a page should be registered at links-update time, and creation/deletion of a subpage can trigger update jobs for registered pages." 
[06:45:15] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I preffer the "If MW was a standalone application we wouldn't need the view/cron based Job Que" party...
[07:09:35] <iubito_>	!upload
[07:09:35] --mwbot--	File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads> for more info. 
[08:00:13] <McCormack>	TimStarling: you advised me to deactivate page caching in the Subpagelist3 extension. Brion isn't too happy about this and wants the job queue used. Ca you advise me on how to go about this?
[08:02:53] <Yannig>	Hello everybody :)
[08:02:58] <McCormack>	I've been looking at how Duesentrieb dealt with cache in the CategoryTree extension, but this may be too exotic for what Brion wants me to do.
[08:04:51] <Dantman|FS>	Wait... isn't this just the classic case of making sure every page that may be effected ends up in the que!?
[08:13:52] <McCormack>	Dantman; I think the idea is that when a subpage is deleted/created, something gets in a queue (preferably only if a splist tag is around the place).
[08:15:05] <Dantman|FS>	Yup... basically the same
[08:15:05] <McCormack>	The easy solution would simply be to remove the line that Tim told me to put in.
[08:16:04] <McCormack>	i.e. remove "$parser->disableCache();"
[08:16:18] <McCormack>	Not elegant, but quick.
[08:16:33] <Dantman|FS>	Cept it kills servers
[08:16:46] <McCormack>	But if I can implement Brion's suggestions instead...
[08:16:53] <Dantman|FS>	Yup, that's the correct method
[08:17:14] <Dantman|FS>	Disable cache, bad... Leave evil caching, bad... Use Job que, correct...
[08:17:15] <McCormack>	Dantman: why does removing disableCache kill the server? Surely the other way round?
[08:17:38] <McCormack>	Anyway, how can I find out about the art of the job queue?
[08:17:40] <Dantman|FS>	That's what I meant
[08:18:12] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ Do what I do... read the source code
[08:18:17] <McCormack>	I have been.
[08:18:24] <McCormack>	Doing all sorts of searches.
[08:18:35] <McCormack>	But I'm looking for the wrong things, I think.
[08:19:12] <Dantman|FS>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/JobQueue.php
[08:19:26] <Dantman|FS>	The real grit on how to add a job to the que
[08:19:47] <Dantman|FS>	Existing use: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/EnotifNotifyJob.php
[08:19:49] <McCormack>	Yes - I'm looking at that file now.
[08:20:06] <Dantman|FS>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/RefreshLinksJob.php
[08:20:16] <Dantman|FS>	That one will really help
[08:20:27] <McCormack>	But I also need to think about the bigger strategy.
[08:20:28] <Dantman|FS>	You basically have to do a similar thing
[08:20:47] <Dantman|FS>	The issue now, is deciding on what pages to put into the que
[08:20:58] <McCormack>	At the moment the code just runs "inside" the splist tag. But I assume to use the job queue I somehow have to get subpages to notify their changes.
[08:21:14] <McCormack>	So somehow I need some other kind of trigger.
[08:22:02] <tale>	I have disabled anonymous editing, but want a "swap meet" page editable by all. Is Extension:EditSubpages a reasonable way to do this?
[08:22:06] <Dantman|FS>	You need to use the hooks which run on page editing (check for creation), deletion, and moving
[08:22:32] <Dantman|FS>	And will need to do a bit of splitting and testing to find out what basepages exist
[08:22:42] <McCormack>	Dantman: yes, that sounds like what I'm grasping for.
[08:23:04] <Dantman|FS>	Then decide if you want to add all the basepages, or parse each one and attempt to see if you should add them to the que
[08:23:21] <Dantman|FS>	However, the former seams like the proper option. The latter is counterintuitive
[08:24:02] <McCormack>	The splist tag might not be in the base page, or even in the hierarchy.
[08:24:12] <Dantman|FS>	Oh, I see
[08:25:11] <Dantman|FS>	you can always go the way of table tracking, and have any page using the splist tag log it's existance in a special table, with a little extra data so we know what ones to add to the que
[08:25:21] <McCormack>	Is there a way the splist tag can check to see if the subpages have been modified and either deliver a cached or non-cached version of itself depending on the result, without overloading the server?
[08:26:14] <McCormack>	On table tracking: I think I started to see something about that somewhere.
[08:27:58] <Dantman|FS>	Nah, the whole issue is that the tag has already been cached into the page, and we want to know when and where we should be purging that cache to let those tags reload without killing the server by making them reload each and every time
[08:28:15] <McCormack>	As I feared.
[08:29:00] <McCormack>	OK, so "table tracking" seems the current path.
[08:29:02] <Dantman|FS>	I'd give you an example of Table tracking to use... I worked on it in WikiVid, unfortunately it's not complete...
[08:29:23] <Dantman|FS>	^_^ I need to finish some of my extensions one of these days
[08:30:22] <Dantman|FS>	I was basically tracking each and every use of [[Embed:]] in a similar way to the Image: pages.
[08:30:24] <McCormack>	"special table" - you don't mean actually adding another table to the SQL database, do you?
[08:30:40] <Dantman|FS>	Of course I do
[08:30:56] *McCormack 	wonders if Brion would ever accept this.
[08:31:09] <Dantman|FS>	Plenty of extensions setup extra tables
[08:31:24] <Dantman|FS>	And its hundreds of times more efficient than any other method
[08:31:47] <McCormack>	OK - do any Wikimedia-active extensions do it? e.g. RenameUser?
[08:37:07] <Duesentrieb>	yes, some extensions use extra tables or columns. renameuser doesn't, i think.
[08:37:40] <Duesentrieb>	TitleKey comes to mind. 
[08:38:26] <Duesentrieb>	i guess BoardVote does...
[08:39:13] <Duesentrieb>	central auth definitly
[08:39:25] <Duesentrieb>	checkuser... maybe, not sure.
[08:40:19] <McCormack>	If I take the subpagelist3 extension in this direction, is it adding so much complexity that my chances of ever getting approval diminish to almost zero? Or is it actually worth doing?
[08:41:40] *McCormack 	notes that checkUser does add a table; originally got renameUser and checkUser muddled.
[08:41:44] <Duesentrieb>	make it as simpel as possible and as complex as neccessary
[08:41:46] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[08:42:06] <McCormack>	Well, the simple version is to add a # before the cache-disabling line.
[08:42:38] <McCormack>	Which is where the extension was before Tim came along... ;-)
[08:43:33] <McCormack>	I seem to have two paths. The #-path, and the add-an-extra-table-and-hundreds-of-lines-of -code route.
[08:45:12] <Duesentrieb>	McCormack: extra table for what, exactly?
[08:45:16] <Dantman|FS>	Renameuser doesn't need a table because it only renames users in an existing table
[08:45:22] <Dantman|FS>	page tracking
[08:45:40] <McCormack>	Dantman: I meant checkUser earlier. I got them muddled.
[08:45:42] <Dantman|FS>	To know what pages need to be updated
[08:46:06] <McCormack>	Duesentrieb: the subpage extension needs to dynamically update its contents.
[08:46:31] <McCormack>	But the tag with the list of pages could be anywhere on the wiki, not just in the hierarchy.
[08:46:52] <McCormack>	So it would need to somehow register the pages its interested in for caching purposes.
[08:47:27] <Duesentrieb>	hm... it would be nice to have a general mechanism for this.
[08:47:55] <Dantman|FS>	Well actually, register itself primarily, and yes, what it is interested in
[08:47:57] <Duesentrieb>	you know, a render dependency table. "what needs purging when what changes"?
[08:47:58] <McCormack>	Duesentrieb: I was also looking at your cache handling in CategoryTree, but I don't think this would help here - or?
[08:48:11] <Dantman|FS>	Ya, I know what you mean Duesentrieb
[08:48:13] <Duesentrieb>	nope. CategoryTree's caching is dumb.
[08:48:21] <Duesentrieb>	it's not purged when the categorycontent changes. 
[08:48:35] <Dantman|FS>	Same with general tracking for new things like Embed tags or whatever...
[08:48:49] <Duesentrieb>	yes
[08:49:22] <Duesentrieb>	the templatelinks table actually works like this now. but it's too specialized.
[08:59:20] <McCormack>	Thinking rather wildly here, is there any way the template system could be "borrowed" to simplify the problem?
[09:00:00] *McCormack 	replies to self: no.
[09:10:08] <_wooz>	lo
[09:43:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Unable to upload particular file to Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13551 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brianna.laugher)
[10:33:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  (10rmh)
[10:54:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  +comment (10michael.frey)
[10:56:24] <MinuteElectron>	jlerner: Ahh, yes. Thank you. :)
[11:15:23] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32563 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageChecks.php TranslateEditAddons.php): * Some organizing
[11:30:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  (10rmh)
[12:04:06] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[12:04:12] <snowolf>	hi
[12:33:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create "Click" extension component - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13552 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (minuteelectron)
[12:53:21] <jeblad>	hi, I moved a mw database from a 1.11 install and to a 1.12 install
[12:53:42] <jeblad>	now it seems like some of the templates chrashes article rendering
[12:54:26] <jeblad>	actually there are nothing rendered at all when this happens, no error reports, nothing
[12:55:33] <Duesentrieb>	jeblad: error output is usually suppressed by php. 
[12:55:36] <jeblad>	I have not been able to identify anything unusual about the templates, and some of them actually does nothing exept returns simple trings
[12:55:37] <Duesentrieb>	!debug
[12:55:37] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[12:55:38] <jeblad>	string
[12:56:48] <jeblad>	memory_limit are been incresed to 256M without any effect on the bug, if it is a bug
[12:57:15] <Duesentrieb>	follow the link. enable more error output.
[12:58:02] <Duesentrieb>	anyway, 1.12 introduces a partially reworked parser. to switch back to the old one, you should be able to use $wgParserConf['class'] = 'Parser_OldPP';
[12:58:11] <Duesentrieb>	(i havn't tried it, but that's how i understood it)
[12:58:23] <jeblad>	I'll check out that
[12:58:35] <jeblad>	Thats another bug.. dpl-bug..
[12:58:37] <Duesentrieb>	oh, and look at apache's error log
[12:58:40] <jeblad>	Thanks
[12:58:44] <Duesentrieb>	fatal errors usually end up there
[12:59:11] <jeblad>	I'm not root on the d**n box :(
[12:59:57] <Duesentrieb>	but you should have log access for your site.
[13:00:01] <Duesentrieb>	if you don't, complain about it
[13:00:08] <Duesentrieb>	log access is essential to keeping a site safe.
[13:00:29] <jeblad>	Ehm.. Error logs are turned off?
[13:00:49] <Duesentrieb>	huh? who would do a thing like that? that'S *dangerous*!
[13:01:17] <jeblad>	And another site on the same server uses php.log as its private log entity?
[13:02:09] <Duesentrieb>	that's an option for php errors, yes. if you have such a log, look at it. access to apache's error log is still pretty essential to running a site sanely.
[13:02:38] <Duesentrieb>	in any case, you can also enable on-page error reports for php (this does not work for all types of errors, but for most).
[13:02:42] <jeblad>	I completely agree with you
[13:02:48] <Duesentrieb>	it's all in the debug instructions
[13:03:05] <jeblad>	I tried the page error reports but it fails
[13:03:17] <jeblad>	(an error that fails.. err)
[13:11:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10danny_b)
[13:27:50] <jeblad>	 DELETE FROM `mw_job` WHERE job_id = '339'
[13:27:52] <jeblad>	from function «Job::pop». MySQL return error «1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (localhost)».
[13:28:18] <jeblad>	hm, someting lost track of the job queue?
[13:28:59] <Duesentrieb>	no, something is locking it... there are not many things that would lock an innodb table. table repair is one of them. but unless your queue is huge, it shouldn't take long...
[13:29:12] <Duesentrieb>	ask your dba about it
[13:29:41] <jeblad>	my dba.. probably myself..
[13:30:10] <Duesentrieb>	you said you are not root, so i assumed someone else is administration the database...
[13:30:21] <jtneill_away>	hello, first time here, been searching various helps without luck - i am wondering how to include category on another page e.g., {{Category:X}} doesn't work 
[13:30:30] <Duesentrieb>	if you don't have root access to the db, you are going to have a hard time finding out anything usable
[13:30:41] <snowolf>	jtneill_away: you mean add a page to a category?
[13:30:43] <Duesentrieb>	jtneill_away: you can't.
[13:30:56] <Duesentrieb>	jtneill_away: but you can get a similar effect using categorytree or dpl
[13:30:59] <Duesentrieb>	!categorytree
[13:30:59] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "categorytree".
[13:31:03] <Duesentrieb>	bah
[13:31:06] <Duesentrieb>	!e CategoryTree
[13:31:06] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree
[13:31:08] <Duesentrieb>	!dpl
[13:31:08] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[13:31:34] <jtneill_away>	ok i'll read about that, thanks for amazing instant help :)
[13:31:43] <lordgun>	hi, i have a very strange pb... im running mediawiki 1.12 (from svn) and sometimes (20%) i have problems with the parser: the pages are explosed... i try turn on/off eaccelerator,memcache,plugins and no way...
[13:32:28] <Duesentrieb>	lordgun: try this: $wgParserConf['class'] = 'Parser_OldPP';
[13:32:34] <lordgun>	http://www.generiquestele.com/Special:Version <-- if you reload, sometimes you have pb like "hould have received [{{SE[{{R}}{{S}}{{TPATH}}/CO}}ING a copy of the GNU Gener"
[13:32:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Whitelist ISO/IEC 26300 (OpenDocument) file format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2089  (10ThomasBleher)
[13:32:47] <lordgun>	Duesentrieb: ok i try now thx
[13:33:02] <Duesentrieb>	lordgun: the "sometimes" aspect is very strange though. no clue.
[13:34:22] <lordgun>	yep i try to debug the code but didnt found anything
[13:35:11] <lordgun>	i reloaded 15 times and it seems ok, i will see in a few hours if it was theproblem, thx you
[13:35:26] <lordgun>	i will learn about $wgParserConf['class']
[13:39:35] <Duesentrieb>	not sure if it's really documented yet :)
[13:39:47] <Duesentrieb>	the new preprocessor stuff is... new.
[13:40:20] <lordgun>	yep i just found two lines of doc about it :)
[13:40:25] <Duesentrieb>	lordgun: please file a bug report about your problem, *especiall* if it doesn't happen with the "OldPP" mode.
[13:40:34] <lordgun>	ok 
[13:41:29] <lordgun>	"all your bug are belong to me" :)
[14:00:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Strange random problems with the parser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 major; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (cedric)
[15:01:32] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32566 10/trunk/extensions/Click/Click.php: svn:eol-style native
[15:12:08] <MinuteElectron>	why does cia never show my commits?
[15:13:04] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: never ?
[15:13:47] <MinuteElectron>	well, the last two didn't get shown :(
[15:13:56] <MinuteElectron>	others in the past have done though
[15:29:59] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Notice Error - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13554 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (cedric)
[15:45:13] <Suisuisui>	mm
[15:46:53] <norton>	Hello
[15:46:55] <norton>	I have a question about wikipedia sql dump
[15:49:50] <norton>	anyone can help
[15:49:51] <norton>	?
[15:50:30] <clamiax>	hi
[15:50:59] <norton>	Can anyone answer my question about wikipedia sql dump?
[15:51:24] <clamiax>	Is there a way to replace a list of patterns to *all* pages of a wiki? I'm playing around a bit with pywikipediabot and replace.py but without success, yet. Any idea?
[15:52:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Notice Error - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13554  (10cedric)
[15:53:18] <Platonides>	norton, perhaps if you asked it...
[15:55:38] <norton>	I downloaded "enwiki-latest-categorylinks.sql.gz"
[15:56:50] <norton>	I can see there is some keywords into the dump table not like them on wikipedia
[15:56:54] <norton>	For example:
[15:57:06] <norton>	In this page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Golf
[15:57:26] <norton>	First link is dsplayed as "Golf administrators"
[15:57:49] <norton>	where in database it is represnted as "Administrators" without golf
[15:58:08] <norton>	I would like to know which keywords should be combined 
[15:58:09] <norton>	?
[15:59:54] <norton>	anyone has an idea?
[16:00:46] <CIA-44>	03minuteelectron * r32567 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/Parser_OldPP.php): (bug 13554) PHP Notice in old pre-processor when list item is empty. Patch by Cedric Nilly.
[16:01:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PHP Notice in old pre-processor when list item is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13554  summary; +comment (10minuteelectron)
[16:01:57] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) PHP Notice in old pre-processor when list item is empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13554  (10minuteelectron)
[16:06:32] <norton>	shall I ask my question in other room?
[16:08:20] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) renameuser exension doesn't change text on ipblocklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13555 major; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (suisui)
[16:09:15] <Suisuisui>	oo Blocking??
[16:09:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) renameuser exension doesn't change text on ipblocklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13555  (10suisui)
[16:10:10] <Suisuisui>	okk
[16:14:06] <jedemtimalter>	hi!
[16:14:30] <Suisuisui>	hoi
[16:15:41] <jedemtimalter>	my wiki is down :(
[16:15:43] <jedemtimalter>	http://rafb.net/p/FUwe7z71.html
[16:15:53] <jedemtimalter>	somebody to help?
[16:18:32] <tale>	jedemtimalter: Check those things you have changed recently, and perhaps undo them.
[16:19:03] <Suisuisui>	yeah , you seems to changed something..
[16:19:29] <jedemtimalter>	the problem is that i don't know what has been done because I'm new at that server
[16:19:38] <jedemtimalter>	;)
[16:19:47] <tale>	jedemtimalter: When did the Wiki work OK last?
[16:20:03] <jedemtimalter>	a few days ago
[16:20:12] <tale>	jedemtimalter: What has changes since then?
[16:20:44] <jedemtimalter>	well, that's a good question
[16:20:53] <tale>	jedemtimalter: And what is in file ./xx/page.frm?
[16:21:05] <jedemtimalter>	hmmm
[16:21:09] <jedemtimalter>	wait a sec
[16:21:15] <Trump389>	Hi
[16:21:39] <Trump389>	Anyone know how I can add "Printable version" to the navigation box?
[16:22:49] <tale>	Trump389: It should be there already.
[16:23:09] <tale>	Trump389: Who has removed it from you wiki?
[16:23:17] <Trump389>	No I don't want it in the toolbox
[16:23:21] <Trump389>	I want it in the first box
[16:23:31] <Trump389>	the one with "Main Page"
[16:23:45] <tale>	Trump389: I think write the Special:Printtable 
[16:23:55] <tale>	Or what is the name of that Printable page?
[16:24:35] <Trump389>	I dont see it on Specialpages
[16:25:15] <Trump389>	It just adds &printable=yes to whatever page you're on
[16:25:23] <peder>	doesn't mediawiki use media-dependen css for printing?  no need for a printable page then?
[16:25:55] <Trump389>	It just removes the sidebar and background
[16:26:23] <tale>	peder: That may be true, but does that help in finding out how to make a link to print page function?
[16:26:46] <peder>	tale: no, but you do you need one at all?
[16:27:00] <peder>	or Trump389 that is
[16:27:22] <tale>	peder: True, ultimately all is futile.
[16:27:23] <Trump389>	peder - when I print a page I dont want to waste ink on a background image and have it overlap pages cause of a sidebar
[16:28:19] <peder>	Trump389: well, i get the same page when i print the normal page as i get if i follow the printable link
[16:28:42] <Trump389>	really?
[16:28:43] <flyingparchment>	peder: people kept asking where the printable version is
[16:28:52] <flyingparchment>	it was easier just to add a link, even though the content is identical
[16:29:27] <Trump389>	OK I guess it does format it properly
[16:29:35] <Trump389>	No need for "Printable Version" link :)
[16:30:06] <VasilievVV>	[Sat Mar 29 19:29:58 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (20024)The given path misformatted or contained invalid characters: Cannot map GET /phase3/index.php/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:WhatLinksHere/Testlink3 HTTP/1.1 to file
[16:30:31] <tale>	Trump389: That is true, browsers should do the same thing from File | Print as the wiki print function.
[16:31:30] <Trump389>	Wiki just gets cooler and cooler :)
[16:32:56] <tale>	I think Mediawiki is pretty hot.
[16:34:35] <NotASpider>	trying to do some javascript but i can't seem to locate the toolbar buttons with getElementById even though everything appears in the dom inspector of firefox
[16:36:26] <NotASpider>	using id's of "mw-editbutton-xxx". any hints?
[16:41:53] <jedemtimalter>	tale: can't find it
[16:43:39] <NotASpider>	also document.getElementById("toolbar").getElementsByTagName("IMG") seems to be empty set when (i thought) it should be the toolbar button graphics
[16:45:56] <NotASpider>	so apparently i'm barking up the wrong tree if i want to change the buttons
[16:56:25] <MinuteElectron>	NotASpider: You need to hook onto the runOnload function
[16:56:36] <MinuteElectron>	there is a manual about it on wikipedia
[16:57:14] <NotASpider>	ok do you have a link to said manual
[16:57:23] <MinuteElectron>	nope
[16:57:27] <MinuteElectron>	i can find you one though
[16:58:06] <MinuteElectron>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_User_scripts/Tutorial
[17:00:39] <NotASpider>	i don't see anything about "runOnload" there
[17:01:49] <MinuteElectron>	sure you do
[17:02:00] <MinuteElectron>	that tells you how to make scripts
[17:02:08] <MinuteElectron>	you don't just put scripts on the page in mediawiki
[17:03:02] <NotASpider>	yeah i know
[17:05:40] <adrian15b>	hello
[17:06:06] <adrian15b>	how am I supposed to write the wglanguagenames variable... can you please give me an example ?
[17:06:15] <NotASpider>	i know "how to make scripts", but i seem to be unable to locate the toolbar buttons using document.getElementById
[17:06:56] <adrian15b>	Duesentrieb: you might know it... mediawiki complains something about an array... I suppose I should write a php array with the languages... but I do not know how to do it
[17:06:57] <NotASpider>	even though they seem to have id's like "mw-editbutton-bold", "mw-editbutton-signature", etc
[17:07:02] <phrearch_>	hi
[17:07:16] <phrearch_>	is it possible to change the mediawiki icon on top of the page?
[17:07:22] <phrearch_>	i mean the website icon :)
[17:07:38] <flyingparchment>	phrearch_: the one that says "Set $wgLogo to the path of your logo"?
[17:08:24] <phrearch_>	no, not the logo
[17:08:35] <flyingparchment>	the favicon?
[17:08:36] <simonrvn>	the favicon?
[17:08:38] <phrearch_>	yea
[17:08:40] <simonrvn>	heh
[17:08:40] <ialex>	$wgFavicon
[17:08:41] <phrearch_>	thats the one
[17:08:43] <phrearch_>	:D
[17:08:50] <phrearch_>	what fileformats can i use?
[17:08:53] <phrearch_>	thanks
[17:09:59] <phrearch_>	got it 
[17:10:00] <phrearch_>	:)
[17:10:47] <simonrvn>	i've used pngs
[17:16:06] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32568 10/trunk/extensions/Renameuser/SpecialRenameuser_body.php: Fixed E_NOTICE if the user has siteadmin right
[17:16:32] <AnonymousNYC>	Hey. If anyone can help me, I'm working on a problem regarding .png images not showing up on my site (pansexual.net). I got a little help here before on this issue, but I've gotten a little more info since then, and the problem is still there. I feel like I'm getting closer.
[17:20:00] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blank upload form if no image is attached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13556 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (luxo)
[17:20:05] <AnonymousNYC>	Looking at some of the support materials, they describe a similar problem with upgrades (this is a new install) and say that you should run maintenance/rebuildImages.php. But trying to do that from the browser gets me a 403 error, and I can't seem to do it via EXEC in the ssh interface. It doesn't even acknowledge that such a file exists.
[17:22:33] <adrian15b>	simonrvn: there should be some png to ico converters round there for linux.
[17:27:00] <AnonymousNYC>	hm, no one?
[17:27:55] <VasilievVV>	shit
[17:28:05] <VasilievVV>	I can't use PHP because of that odd bug :(
[17:29:00] <tgr>	hi
[17:29:10] <tgr>	im trying to set up a flaggedrevs testwiki
[17:29:32] <tgr>	and i'm getting this error after importing a few articles
[17:29:33] <tgr>	Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /var/www/fr/includes/Preprocessor_DOM.php on line 841
[17:29:46] <tgr>	no extensions installed yet
[17:30:13] <tgr>	just a couple of wikipedia articles, about 50M unzipped
[17:30:37] <tgr>	any ideas what went wrong?
[17:31:41] <tgr>	line 841 is
[17:31:42] <tgr>	if ( is_array( $iteratorNode ) ) {
[17:31:58] <tgr>	(MW 1.12.0)
[17:41:07] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32569 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/SpecialUpload.php): (bug 13556, and possible regression from r32372) Don't show a blank form if no image is attached in Special:Upload
[17:41:44] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Blank upload form if no image is attached - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13556  +comment (10alex.emsenhuber)
[18:07:45] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ability to delete individual diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13557 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: History/Diffs; (wikipedia.kawaii.neko)
[18:27:40] <Trump389>	Newbie question, how do you link to a category?
[18:27:56] <Trump389>	With a custom title
[18:32:13] <Trump389>	?
[18:33:03] <derwin>	I don't understand your question
[18:33:09] <derwin>	what has the custom title, the category or the link?
[18:33:18] <Trump389>	OK I have a Category called "Celebrity"
[18:33:43] <Trump389>	I want to, on a page, link to the category "Celebrity" with the link name "Celebrities"
[18:34:06] <Trump389>	So what is the code for my text link "Celebrities" to link to the category "Celebrity"
[18:35:51] <derwin>	isn't it like alternate-text links in general?
[18:36:06] <derwin>	like [[Category:Celebrity|Celebrities]] ?
[18:36:07] <Trump389>	How do you link to a category and customize the name of that link?
[18:36:13] <derwin>	<- not an expert
[18:36:40] <derwin>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Piped_link
[18:36:41] <derwin>	there you go
[18:37:38] <Trump389>	OK thanks darwin
[18:38:09] <derwin>	heh, I like that you called me by my real nick
[18:38:19] <derwin>	even though I'm "derwin" on this network because someone else registered "darwin"
[18:46:46] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: just a question about image redirects. it's enabled in the corecode but not in the Wikipedia configs?
[18:47:26] <VasilievVV>	It should be enabled everywhere
[18:47:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement rev_deleted (deletion of single article revisions) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3576  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:47:31] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Ability to delete individual diffs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13557  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[18:50:41] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: maybe a misunderstanding on my side but should the image be shown if I use a redirected image name? like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Logo_der_deutschsprachigen_Wikipedia.png
[18:51:20] <VasilievVV>	Hmmm
[18:51:50] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: testcase: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NEU#Vorschau
[18:52:29] <Raymond_>	the image itself is not shown and the link on the right side is red
[18:52:52] <CIA-44>	03vasilievvv * r32571 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php filerepo/LocalRepo.php): Drop it at all. It's stable
[18:53:06] <VasilievVV>	Raymond_: should work now
[18:53:18] <Raymond_>	VasilievVV: great :) thanks
[18:53:33] <Raymond_>	will test it later on my local wiki, but dinner first :)
[18:53:53] <VasilievVV>	I didn't check it now :)
[18:54:06] <VasilievVV>	Because I can't run PHP because of some shitty bug
[18:54:20] <VasilievVV>	Which seems to happen since 2004
[19:01:25] <P-Luc_Auclair>	hi, I have a 280 bytes images I'm trying to upload on my wiki, but it says it's size is null or it's corrupted
[19:01:56] <P-Luc_Auclair>	is there a way to force the wiki to eat it?
[19:07:09] <P-Luc_Auclair>	anyone???
[19:14:05] <scheidt>	hi
[19:15:39] <scheidt>	Is there some table in wiki, that register the users login?
[19:16:24] <scheidt>	when some user log in with the date
[19:18:23] <Kagee>	how difficult is it to make a mediawiki look "different" / not-wikipedia-ish ?
[19:18:54] <MrZ-man>	Kagee: use a different skin
[19:19:01] <MrZ-man>	!skins | Kagee 
[19:19:01] --mwbot--	Kagee: Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[19:19:13] <Kagee>	thanks
[19:19:20] <NotASpider>	scheidt, you're asking if the database keepts track of when people log in, even if they don't edit
[19:20:48] <NotASpider>	i heard a rumor that was being added to the checkuser table, but aside from that probably only in the server logs (shrug)
[19:24:13] <NotASpider>	scheidt, actually, the user_touched field in the user table is a timestamp
[19:24:50] <Trump389>	How do you link a header to a category? ==[[Category:Celebrities]]==?\
[19:25:00] <NotASpider>	i don't know if that is the last log-in or the last page-load or what
[19:25:07] <NotASpider>	probably the latter
[19:25:43] <NotASpider>	Trump389 put a colon before "Category"
[19:26:06] <NotASpider>	to link to a category rather than making the page a member of it
[19:26:44] <Trump389>	NotASpider ==[[:Category:Celebrities]]==?
[19:26:48] <NotASpider>	yes
[19:27:05] <Kagee>	great, i found 2 skins i that lokk almost perfect :-)
[19:27:38] <Trump389>	Excellent
[19:27:42] <Trump389>	Thanks NotASpider :)
[19:28:14] <Kagee>	is it possible to protect pages from beeing read without beeing logged inn ?
[19:29:50] <scheidt>	NotASpider, is not a track only when a page is edited, but when the user do a login in the wiki, like a authorization track
[19:30:38] <scheidt>	forget authorization, is authenticantion!
[19:30:40] <NotASpider>	scheidt, maybe. i don't know what causes the timestamp to update
[19:31:48] <NotASpider>	Kagee, in localsettings.php set $wgGroupPermissions['*']['read']    = false;
[19:32:16] <Kagee>	this is looking goog :-)
[19:32:47] <NotASpider>	more info at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights
[19:33:37] <Mufka>	What is a good way to deal with page display issues between Firefox and IE.  A good example of the problem is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2008
[19:34:03] <NotASpider>	but you will want $wgWhitelistRead = array("Main Page", "Special:Userlogin"); so that they can actually log in
[19:34:32] <Kagee>	that might be a goog ide
[19:35:13] <Nikerabbit>	userlogin is always whitelisted...
[19:35:53] <NotASpider>	well that's a good sanity check
[19:35:57] <Nikerabbit>	the documentation is poor I see
[19:36:18] <NotASpider>	sofixit
[19:38:16] <NotASpider>	Mufka that page looks bad in firefox, so i can only assume it looks worse in IE
[19:38:44] <Mufka>	It looks ok in IE.  Worse in Firefox.
[19:38:56] <NotASpider>	probably need to add style="clear:both" to the second table
[19:39:09] <NotASpider>	so it doesn't overlap the one in the corner
[19:40:36] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32572 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: * Clarify documentation
[19:40:40] <NotASpider>	looks like you could fix all of them by wrapping <div style="clear:both;"> around the ifexist mess here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Current_events/Month_Inclusion&action=edit
[19:41:05] <Mufka>	"clear:both" works for one at a time.
[19:41:18] <Mufka>	OK.  I'll play with it.
[19:41:25] <Mufka>	Thanks
[19:41:31] <Nikerabbit>	NotASpider: I don't know if you meant to be rude or not but try not to be
[19:42:23] <NotASpider>	rude when?
[19:42:31] <Nikerabbit>	[21:36:18]  NotASpider> sofixit
[19:42:31] <NotASpider>	mufka actually fix Portal:Current events/DateHeader2
[19:43:09] <NotASpider>	Nikerabbit i meant update the Manual:User_rights page to say what it should
[19:43:24] <NotASpider>	or actually
[19:43:31] <NotASpider>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3A%24wgWhitelistRead
[19:45:48] <NotASpider>	since the page is wrong or possibly just outdated (i wouldn't have known if you didn't say so)
[20:02:13] <simonrvn>	adrian15b: i've never needed to do that
[20:08:03] <odes2>	hello all, wondering how to remove the talk page tab from ALL mediawiki pages? I know .page-Main_Page #ca-talk { display: none !important; } works for the main page only
[20:13:47] <MinuteElectron>	odes2: #ca-talk { dipslay:none!important; }
[20:18:22] <odes2>	awesome, thanks, I also found some help on 
[20:19:01] <odes2>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:FAQ#How_do_I_add.2Fremove_tabs_throughout_my_wiki.3F
[20:19:08] <odes2>	which is really what I was trying to do.
[20:19:38] <odes2>	thanks!
[20:19:57] <odes2>	for the the help...I will use this in the future too.
[20:28:28] <odes2>	MinuteElectron can I change the names of the tabs using MediaWiki:Monobook.css?
[20:29:01] <zybil>	hello. how to get a TV with SCART and SVHS and Antenna-IN as monitor for a laptop with HDMI and VGA OUT??
[20:32:34] <C-Otto>	zybil: go to MediaWiki:TVSCARTSVHSHDMIVGA in your mediawiki installation
[20:35:42] <MinuteElectron>	odes2: no
[20:35:51] <MinuteElectron>	odes2: You can use MediaWiki: namespace messages though.
[20:36:00] <MinuteElectron>	you might find info about them in th emanual
[20:36:29] <zybil>	C-Otto: i'll try to install thnx
[20:40:52] <odes2>	thanks minuteelectron
[20:42:54] <odes2>	where is the manual for MediaWiki: namespace? 
[20:43:59] <thecatinthehat>	how to return raw html including <img> tags with url parameters in 'src' from extension parser function without mediawiki converting & to &amp; (draws breath)
[20:46:26] <MinuteElectron>	thecatinthehat: return array( $output, 'isHTML' => true );
[20:46:32] <MinuteElectron>	isntead of whatever you have as your return now
[20:46:41] <MinuteElectron>	where $output is what you were returning
[20:47:19] <thecatinthehat>	yes tried that: 'found'   => true, 'noparse' => true, 'isHTML'  => true
[20:47:36] <MinuteElectron>	then you're doing something wrong
[20:48:30] <thecatinthehat>	is it necessary to construct urls in a special way to protect them from htmlentities() ?
[20:49:08] <MinuteElectron>	thecatinthehat: why do you want to protect urls from that?
[20:50:01] <thecatinthehat>	i want to output a standard <img> tag from my extension with it's src pointion to thumb.php
[20:50:12] <thecatinthehat>	with params for image resizing
[20:50:35] <thecatinthehat>	but i don't want to have the image clickable
[20:50:50] <thecatinthehat>	hence the parser function
[20:51:22] <MinuteElectron>	k
[20:51:24] <MinuteElectron>	bye
[20:55:21] <thecatinthehat>	anyone else had experience outputing raw html from extension parser functions?
[21:01:49] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32573 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (Names.php messages/MessagesSzl.php): Add UI for szl/Silesian
[21:06:56] <Duesentrieb>	thecatinthehat: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Tag_extensions#How_can_I_avoid_modification_of_my_extension.27s_HTML_output.3F
[21:08:30] <thecatinthehat>	that looks like it will do the trick, thanks :)
[21:12:49] <Duesentrieb>	thecatinthehat: link it wherever you have been looking for that info and didn't find it.
[21:13:21] <Iskr>	hello mediawiki tells me that username for db is too long
[21:13:26] <Iskr>	but it's the correct username
[21:13:30] <Iskr>	what shall i do?
[21:14:57] <Iskr>	my god it's a serious issue
[21:17:22] <Iskr>	no it's not true
[21:17:27] <Iskr>	it was my error
[21:17:33] <Iskr>	thanks a lot =)
[21:18:47] <zybil>	i cannot connect to localhost
[21:18:56] <zybil>	so not to mediawiki
[21:18:58] <zybil>	why?
[21:20:49] <zybil>	ok i try it again to install it like mediawiki.org says
[21:20:51] <zybil>	mom
[21:24:26] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32574 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (121 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-03-29 21:56 CET)
[21:31:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Weaken DISPLAYTITLE restictions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998  (10dan_the_man)
[21:39:05] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32575 10/trunk/extensions/ (108 files in 107 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-03-29 21:56 CET)
[21:42:14] <Sean_Colombo>	Does anyone know of a parserhook I could use in this case:
[21:42:59] <Sean_Colombo>	When a page is found not to exist, I want to look up similar names (in a way specific to my site) and automatically redirect the user if a good match is found
[21:44:07] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32576 10/trunk/extensions/cldr/LocalNamesEn.php: Update with 'szl'
[21:45:17] <Duesentrieb>	Sean_Colombo: you would not use a parserhook for that. a hook, yes, but not a parserhook.
[21:45:30] <Sean_Colombo>	oh cool
[21:45:47] <Sean_Colombo>	I've been looking around for a list of hooks (no such luck at the moment)
[21:45:50] <Duesentrieb>	probably something early... ArticleFromTitle, maybe
[21:45:50] <Duesentrieb>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MWDumper
[21:45:56] <Duesentrieb>	!hooks
[21:45:56] --mwbot--	Hooks allow you to run functions at various points in the main MediaWiki code. For more information about using hooks in MediaWiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks>.
[21:46:15] <Duesentrieb>	there's a list there
[21:46:15] <Sean_Colombo>	HA! Sweet
[21:46:21] <Sean_Colombo>	!thanks
[21:46:21] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "thanks".
[21:46:23] <Sean_Colombo>	lol
[21:46:26] <Duesentrieb>	there's also a list in docs/hooks.txt in your installation
[21:46:42] <Sean_Colombo>	hot.... huge help, thank you :)
[21:47:04] <Duesentrieb>	hm...
[21:47:06] <Duesentrieb>	!thanks
[21:47:06] --mwbot--	you are welcome.
[21:47:08] <Duesentrieb>	:P
[21:47:40] <Duesentrieb>	oh, and i posted the wrong link
[21:47:56] <Duesentrieb>	Sean_Colombo: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ArticleFromTitle <-- that one.
[21:48:04] <Duesentrieb>	mwdumper has nothing to do with it
[21:50:10] <siebrand>	Sean_Colombo: extension DidYouMean may do something like what you were asking about. You may want to read up on it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DidYouMean
[21:50:23] <Sean_Colombo>	nice
[22:10:54] <Admin-PDI>	[test]
[22:12:19] <Duesentrieb>	[failed]
[22:12:32] <Admin-PDI>	[why]
[22:13:03] <Duesentrieb>	[because]
[22:13:42] <Admin-PDI>	[I see]
[22:14:18] <kirby>	[rar]
[22:14:48] <Dantman>	Hmmm... I wonder if I should create a tracking category in Bugzilla for things which depend on the title rewrite
[22:16:12] <Admin-PDI>	Has someone installed MediaWiki 1.12 on idoo free web hosting service?
[22:16:40] <Dantman>	Do they even support PHP5?
[22:17:07] <Admin-PDI>	Yes, because I installed an older one (1.11, I think)
[22:17:33] <Admin-PDI>	The problem is that I get an error
[22:17:58] <Sean_Colombo>	what error?
[22:18:10] <Sean_Colombo>	"<Duesentrieb> [failed]" ?
[22:18:14] <Sean_Colombo>	;)
[22:19:01] <Admin-PDI>	something like "Fatal error: Class 'DOMDocument' not found"
[22:19:46] <Dantman>	Try disabling all your extensions
[22:19:58] <Admin-PDI>	?
[22:20:15] <Dantman>	AFAIK there is no class calls DOMDocument used or needed in MediaWiki
[22:20:16] <zybil>	hello? i cannot connect localhost
[22:20:19] <zybil>	why?
[22:20:27] <zybil>	so i cannot connect the mediawiki
[22:20:37] <Dantman>	So it's likely that you have an extension enabled which is not compatible with MW1.12
[22:20:47] <Dantman>	zybil: Are you even running a webserver on your local computer?
[22:20:47] <Sean_Colombo>	Admin-PDI: in LocalSettings.php, for every extension you installed you probably added a require_once 'whatever.php'
[22:20:55] <zybil>	no
[22:21:01] <Admin-PDI>	I installed it OK here: http://arkitz.idoo.com/index.php?title=Azala
[22:21:22] <Dantman>	zybil: Then of course you won't be able to access a wiki... localhost is the name for accessing something on your own computer
[22:21:45] <Dantman>	zybil: You can't acess a website through localhost if you aren't running a webserver on localhost
[22:22:29] <zybil>	hello. how to get a TV with SCART and SVHS and Antenna-IN as monitor for a laptop with HDMI and VGA OUT??
[22:22:30] <zybil>	<C-Otto> zybil: go to MediaWiki:TVSCARTSVHSHDMIVGA in your mediawiki installation
[22:22:40] <zybil>	fuc* this!
[22:22:54] <zybil>	i tried to install the mediAWiki now for 2 hours!
[22:23:23] <zybil>	just to find out how i can use a TV as screen for my laptop to watch movies
[22:23:26] <zybil>	and?!
[22:23:28] <zybil>	nothing
[22:23:35] <zybil>	sorry
[22:23:45] <Dantman>	That's not our issue... You were lied to by a user elsewhere
[22:24:03] <Dantman>	Installing MediaWiki won't magically get you information on something
[22:24:12] <Sean_Colombo>	yeah, MediaWiki is software which will not contain your information
[22:24:47] <Admin-PDI>	Sean Colombo: I didn´t add anything
[22:25:07] <Sean_Colombo>	Admin-PDI: hokay... then you probably don't have to disable any extensions
[22:25:29] <Sean_Colombo>	do you have the DOMDocument.php file inside of the /includes/ directory (I'm guessing that's where it would be... I don't run 1.12 though)
[22:25:37] <zybil>	<uberpenguin> using a TV with SCART or S-Video as a notebook monitor wouldn't be very pleasant... it wouldn't be usable for anything except huge slide shows
[22:25:45] <zybil>	so this seems to be an answer finally
[22:25:57] <zybil>	if no one can speak but talk talk talk
[22:27:30] <Admin-PDI>	I'll check it! I think I'll install an older version... Thank's! 
[22:34:40] <k4jcw>	So I added some CSS to my MediaWiki:Monobook.css that works on another site.  The markup is supposed to set the color on the header of a table, set the line width and cell spacing.  I copied it verbatim.  But it appears as if WM isn't using it.  If I add markup to the afore mentioned file, is there any other magic to make sure it gets used?
[22:34:42] <Dantman>	Simetrical: Do you think I should add a "Title Rewrite (tracking)" bug in bugzilla?
[22:35:22] <Dantman>	k4jcw: By default MediaWiki won't use site styles unless LocalSettings.php is configured to allow them
[22:35:37] <k4jcw>	ahhh.  Offhand, know what that parameter is?
[22:36:10] <Iskr>	is there a way to disable "recent changes" page for people not logged in?
[22:36:39] <kirby>	Iskr: why
[22:37:12] <Dantman>	!wg UseSiteCss
[22:37:12] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseSiteCss
[22:37:20] <Dantman>	!wg UseSiteJS
[22:37:20] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUseSiteJS
[22:37:32] <Dantman>	And you may also want to look at
[22:37:40] <Dantman>	!wg AllowUserCss
[22:37:40] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowUserCss
[22:37:43] <Dantman>	!wg AllowUserJs
[22:37:43] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowUserJs
[22:38:01] <Iskr>	thank you
[22:38:04] <Dantman>	Those four parameters should help enable the standard setup of allowing site and user styles
[22:38:15] <k4jcw>	Dantman,  you're a genius.  Thank you.
[22:38:31] <m3cr3d1s>	when I'm using importDump.php in maintenance/ it's giving me an XML import parse failure
[22:38:39] <m3cr3d1s>	i think its a special character, but can't track it down
[22:38:44] <Iskr>	anyway i would like only registered user to be allowed to search and view pages from the home
[22:38:57] <m3cr3d1s>	anyone have a similar problem?
[22:39:11] <m3cr3d1s>	it's saying "EntityRef: expecting ';'"
[22:39:23] <Dantman>	Iskr: What, you want a wiki to be setup so that only logged in users can see it?
[22:39:34] <Iskr>	in a way yes
[22:39:56] <Iskr>	but the very thing would be
[22:40:10] <Iskr>	that people not logged in could see the pages
[22:40:14] <Iskr>	if they know the url
[22:40:41] <Iskr>	but could not get to the pages from the home
[22:41:03] <Dantman>	MediaWiki is built on openness and actual security...
[22:41:04] <Iskr>	by doing search and visiting "random page" and "recente changes"
[22:41:12] <Iskr>	no it's no a matter of security
[22:41:42] <Iskr>	i wouldn't put private information on a page that could be seen if someone know the url
[22:41:47] <Dantman>	It sounds like you want a setup completely non-standard and not what MW was intended to be used for... One which will only give you a false sense of security
[22:42:14] <Iskr>	no it's more about taking the user by hand
[22:42:28] <Iskr>	"forcing" him to follow a path of navigation
[22:42:33] <Iskr>	by the link i provide him
[22:42:51] <Dantman>	well, forcing the reader to only do what you want and not what they want is not what MW was built for
[22:42:52] <Iskr>	but if he or she sees one of the other pages it's not a problem
[22:43:03] <Dantman>	Actually
[22:43:19] <Dantman>	It sounds like a better idea is to have someone code some sort of "Site Tour" extension
[22:43:30] <Iskr>	i see...
[22:43:33] <Dantman>	Where you can direct new users to a special page which will guide them through the wiki
[22:43:58] <Iskr>	well i thought that it was only a matter of templating
[22:44:09] <Iskr>	about the presence of the "search" form
[22:44:17] <Iskr>	and the "recent changes" link
[22:44:22] <Iskr>	i just want them off the page
[22:44:37] <Dantman>	Why? If the user wants to go there, they should be able to
[22:44:42] <Iskr>	i wondered if it were a "clean" way to do taht
[22:44:43] <Iskr>	that
[22:44:54] <Iskr>	without a grep and a physical removal
[22:44:57] <Iskr>	from the code
[22:44:59] <Iskr>	=P
[22:46:00] <Dantman>	Well the actual link in the sidebar is added using [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] but that's not going to change the fact anyone can get to it, and can't be made per-group so your registered users will also have navigation issues on the site
[22:46:13] <Duesentrieb>	Iskr: you can make a custom skin that omits some elements based on wether a user is logged in or not
[22:46:22] <Duesentrieb>	it's not very hard, i have done it before
[22:46:26] <Duesentrieb>	!skinning
[22:46:26] --mwbot--	Overview: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins>. Skin usage: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Skins>. Gallery of CSS styles: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_user_styles>. Writing your own: <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skinning>
[22:46:44] <Duesentrieb>	the confition to check would be $wgUser->isLoggedIn
[22:46:44] <Iskr>	oh thanks
[22:47:23] <Iskr>	i'll check the links, thank you
[22:47:43] <Duesentrieb>	The sidebar is tricky though - you can only completly remove it for non-logged-in users. or you have to, one for logged in and one for the rest - but that requires some hacking, the way the sidebar is fiddeled into the skin is not quite... intuitive
[22:48:04] <Iskr>	i see
[22:48:37] <Duesentrieb>	Iskr: the simplest way to write a skin is: copy monobook, and be sure to to adopt all mentions of the name monobook (in all veriants of captialization) in the file accordingly.
[22:48:40] <Duesentrieb>	then modify
[22:49:05] <Iskr>	i'll try
[22:50:25] <Iskr>	have you any advice about how not to make search engines index the pages?
[22:50:39] <Iskr>	beyond the robots.txt file...
[22:51:36] <Duesentrieb>	why, that should be quite enough
[22:51:52] <Iskr>	maybe there were other issues
[22:52:52] <Duesentrieb>	Iskr: $wgDefaultRobotPolicy and $wgNamespaceRobotPolicies also exist. but search englines that ignore the robots.txt will probably not care about that either
[22:53:14] <Duesentrieb>	oh, and $wgArticleRobotPolicies
[22:54:50] <Iskr>	thanks
[23:05:07] <^demon>	Anyone around with experience with SVN over SSH?
[23:05:16] <^demon>	(Setting it up, that is)
[23:17:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) renameuser exension doesn't change text on ipblocklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13555  major->normal (10stevend811)
[23:18:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) renameuser exension doesn't change text on ipblocklist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13555  (10stevend811)
[23:21:46] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32577 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesYi.php: Fix syntax error
[23:25:06] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) sitenotice change does not propagate immediately - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11358  +comment (10wiki.bugzilla)