[00:29:41] 03laner * r32607 10/trunk/extensions/SmoothGallery/ (3 files): Added support for external images via http, or https. Can be enabled via $wgSmoothGalleryAllowExternal; disabled by default. [00:49:37] How do you enable Special:Blockme? [00:54:42] 03(mod) Create the Hungarian Wikinews, Erzya & Extremaduran & Gan Wikipedia, and Japanese Wikiversity - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13264 (10node.ue) [00:56:43] ...anyone? [01:10:22] Hello? [01:10:36] Hello [01:10:49] !ask | FastLizard4 [01:10:49] --mwbot-- FastLizard4: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [01:10:55] I did [01:10:59] [17:49:33] How do you enable Special:Blockme? [01:11:27] That was hours ago, I believe [01:11:41] Actually, < 30 minutes [01:13:34] Is somone going to attempt to answer my question or shall I look elsewhere? [01:17:59] if you're looking for an answer on IRC, and you've waited less than 10 hours, you've never asked for support on IRC before ;) [01:18:03] FastLizard4: you don't want to enable that [01:18:11] it's evil [01:18:34] but if you REALLY want to... lemme find the variable for it [01:18:39] Skizzerz: Exactly [01:18:46] yeah, i'm lookin too [01:19:33] FastLizard4: you DO realize that all blocks made through Special:Blockme are NOT logged, right [01:19:41] Skizzerz: Yes [01:20:35] !wg BlockOpenProxies [01:20:35] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgBlockOpenProxies [01:20:42] enabling that should enable Blockme [01:21:24] thanks [01:22:13] we shoulda ask what his wiki was so we could report hostile scans ;) [01:22:20] xD [01:22:46] I hacked the page once to remove the if() check so it would always run just to see what it would do... it was quite evil [01:23:50] can someone help me? [01:24:01] MorbusIff: browse to Special:Blockme and your IP gets infinitely banned (bans IP even if you're logged in). No logging takes place in the block log (although it shows up on ipblocklist), and no confirmation is required. [01:24:03] !ask | inf3cted [01:24:03] --mwbot-- inf3cted: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [01:24:05] !ask | inf3cted [01:24:05] --mwbot-- inf3cted: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [01:24:06] xD [01:24:09] heh, heh [01:24:26] kinda like Special:Userlogout where it triggers the moment you load the page [01:24:27] is there any admin panel in mediawiki? [01:24:32] inf3cted: no [01:24:38] !localsettings | inf3cted [01:24:38] --mwbot-- inf3cted: All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , [01:24:39] Skizzerz: that's a demonic page. [01:24:39] what are admins command? [01:24:55] MorbusIff: i know ;) [01:25:14] well, is tehre a way to see someones ip that created a page if ur admin? [01:25:33] inf3cted: are they a logged in user that created the page or an anonymous user? [01:25:39] anony [01:25:55] just go to the page history (click the history tab). The IP will be shown on the bottom entry [01:26:24] if they're a logged-in user, that requires an extension [01:26:48] hmm [01:26:50] k [01:26:58] because i cant seem to find it [01:27:02] !checkuser [01:27:02] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "checkuser". [01:27:06] stupid bo [01:27:09] *bot [01:27:16] !oversight [01:27:16] --mwbot-- Oversighting removes revisions from access by normal users and sysops. More information is available here: . [01:27:22] inf3cted: did you click the "history" tab on top of the page [01:27:27] yah [01:27:32] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser [01:27:38] and the IP isn't shown at the bottom? [01:27:39] whats the extention that i need for registered user? [01:27:45] no, [01:27:48] see link ^ [01:27:59] it was a registered user [01:28:00] !checkuser is `!ext CheckUser `` [01:28:00] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: checkuser [01:28:05] what extension i need? [01:28:07] grr [01:28:13] I am getting beeped at [01:28:18] amidaniel: I was going to give a better description for that >_> [01:28:20] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser [01:28:21] ? [01:28:21] AaronSchulz: checkuser? [01:28:26] inf3cted: yes [01:28:29] *AaronSchulz sighs [01:28:30] k, thanks guys [01:28:30] Skizzerz: knock yourself out :)) [01:28:36] fine [01:28:40] !del checkuser [01:28:40] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "del". You might try: !deleteuser !protect [01:28:43] ... [01:28:47] !checkuser del [01:28:47] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: checkuser [01:28:50] >_> [01:28:58] anyway [01:29:03] !del oversight [01:29:03] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "del". You might try: !deleteuser !protect [01:29:16] !oversight del [01:29:16] --mwbot-- You don't have permission to do that. [01:29:23] mwbot: :D [01:29:42] *AaronSchulz puts his fightin' gloves on [01:29:58] @trust rbak-164-107-218-33.resnet.ohio-state.edu [01:29:58] --mwbot-- Added rbak-164-107-218-33.resnet.ohio-state.edu to trusted hostnames list. [01:30:18] Okay ... gotta run .. bbiab [01:31:58] amidaniel|away: remember, regex requires you to escape periods ;) [01:32:00] 'sup guys! [01:32:02] *Skizzerz fixed it for you [01:33:24] !checkuser is CheckUser is an extension that allows privelaged users to see what IPs a user edited from or what users edited from an IP. For more information see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CheckUser > [01:33:24] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: checkuser [01:33:41] probably spelled priveleged wrong but idc [01:33:59] g2g [01:34:11] privileged [01:34:15] by Skizzerz [01:34:46] Skizzerz: you are lucky Simetrical didn't notice [01:45:16] so, what are the times of the day/week when this channel is most busy, or is it just random? [01:51:20] *Smaug says hi to Emufarmers [01:51:26] *Emufarmers waves [02:26:15] Hiya, quick check. if a template is intended to be an alias for another template (same args etc), can it be created as a #redirect to it? [02:26:29] the case in point is upper and lower case versions of its name [02:28:57] yes [02:29:03] it works just like you would want [02:29:13] ahhhhhhhhhhh [02:29:16] dreamy :) [02:29:18] thank you ! [02:33:06] Hello [02:33:09] i have a question [02:34:25] !ask | SDua [02:34:25] --mwbot-- SDua: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [02:35:59] I can't connect to MySQL database [02:38:58] Could you be more specific? [02:39:17] okay [02:39:34] let me try something [02:44:11] Error selecting database wikidb: 1044 Access denied for user 'xth_1744075'@'%' to database 'wikidb' [02:44:37] that,s what it says [02:48:52] nvm [02:48:53] got it [02:57:16] Hello. I'd like to use the category browser that shows up in the sidebar on mediawiki.org. I know how to edit the sidebar, but how do I find the extension based on what I see in the sidebar source? [02:59:07] I want to create some custom templates which will pull data from an external source. What document should I start reading to accomplish this? [03:07:41] sprax: anyway, wite your own extension [03:08:40] Werdna you saw all the details I erroneously posted to another chan [03:08:45] sprax: If you're trying to pull data from anywhere other than your own wiki, you need to write your own parser hook extension, unless one's already been written. [03:08:56] I figured that was it because the calendar goes in that way [03:09:05] neg [03:09:17] I'll have to write it [03:09:31] so it's the extension writing docs I want to read then? [03:09:32] have a look at mediawiki.org for more info on how to do that [03:09:46] yeah [03:10:03] ok, cool. I googled mediawiki api and it told me how to download a page in XML [03:10:11] not exactly what I was after... [03:10:17] *reading time* [03:10:18] that lets you get data OUT of mediawiki [03:10:25] you want to put data INTO mediawiki [03:10:43] exactly, and do some creative things with data stored in media wiki as well [03:10:47] I'd think that maybe looking at some of the extensions that import RSS feeds might be a start. [03:11:09] which you can do either with a PULL model (write an extension to have the data retrieved on demand), or a PUSH model (have a script update a page inside the wiki, which you can transclude from other pages) [03:11:45] ok here we go Manual:Extensions [03:11:48] *sprax bookmarks [03:12:40] Werdna maybe you can give me some suggestions for the other issue [03:12:51] which is? [03:12:59] I need a way to store a list of computers and approved applications [03:13:05] I was thinking about a simple table [03:13:16] column A computer names, column B application name [03:13:39] So if you're reading the article about application, a list of approved computers can be generated [03:13:41] 03(NEW) Very large pages may be impossible to download - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13565 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (cbm) [03:14:02] or if youre reading the article about computer name, a list of approved applications can be generated [03:14:18] I was thinking of how categories could be used, but it always led to an ugly mess [03:14:21] any ideas? [03:14:27] you might want to have a look at DynamicPageList and categories, or Semantic MediaWiki [03:14:33] I was just going to use the extension hook again [03:15:51] I'll check it out, thanks Werdna [03:15:58] Some nice bed time reading :) [03:16:53] Just wanted to say props to all the developers of this slick piece of software. Of all the OSS applications I've tried to get fired up on my WAMP, this was among the easiest [03:16:54] Any idea what I need to modify to make the 'Browse categories' work on the sidebar? I've edited the side bar, but it wants 'catbrowser-url' and 'cat-browser', and I have no idea what I'm looking for. [03:18:55] sprax: we try :P [03:19:18] k4jcw: Have you looked at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar ? [03:20:36] ok, bed time for me [03:20:41] thanks agian! [03:20:47] s/agian/again/g [03:22:04] Emufarmers, I just did, but I don't think I see what I'm looking for. There's either an extension, or something that goes in a message file for cat-browser-url and cat-browser. [03:23:04] The sidebar links on MW.org are just normal changing of the sidebar, as far as I know: You can link to categories as you can link to anything else [03:23:55] MediaWiki:cat-browser-url just contains "Category:Top level", and it functions as the link part [03:24:15] Where is cat-browser-url defined, tho? [03:24:24] MediaWiki:cat-browser-url [03:25:50] Being new at this (mediawiki), how would/should I have known that cat-browser-url would be in the MediaWiki namespace(?) ? [03:26:13] Er...being new at it, there's no reason you should have known :) [03:26:20] Good :) [03:26:31] But things that customize text on the interface are always in the MediaWiki namespace, if not in the code [03:26:41] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Target Look at that part, in this case [03:27:35] ahhh. Cool. I knew about somethings being in the MediaWiki name space, but not text customization. Or at least, I didn't make that connection in this case. [03:32:30] "WAMP" ? [03:32:50] OK, next question. How's the content for the 'Category:Top level' automatically gnerated? [03:33:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAMP [03:33:30] yeah, I actually looked at the wikipedia [03:33:36] hunt the WAMPUS [03:33:38] But the definition is wrong. It's supposed to be "Windows Always Makes Problems" [03:34:13] Weakly Assimilating Massive Particles? [03:35:09] k4jcw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories [03:35:27] Is www.mediawiki.org down or is it just not reachable from Finland? [03:36:20] I just glanced over here to see yall dissing my wamp [03:36:24] and you're generally right [03:36:24] tale: It's you, not the rest of the world, sorry :) [03:36:27] it is a hassle [03:36:40] but there is no way I could have gotten this thing approved running 'nix [03:37:31] Plus it has one really good side [03:37:41] we use a trouble ticket system called HEAT [03:37:51] It has an API, but it's ActiveX of course [03:38:00] kinda hard to run AX controls in Debian [03:38:02] :-) [03:38:14] Anyway, good night all and thanks again for the tips Werdna [03:38:40] oh, bleh. I was hoping that was generated automatically, rather than me having to put additional category labels in everything. [03:39:05] It is generated automatically: All you have to do is put category lables on everything! [03:39:19] (That is, instead of having to edit the category page and add articles to it) [03:39:20] You'd think that since the categories are available as a special page, that something could generate that list automagically. [03:39:43] What? [03:41:24] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Categories You've got this page of categories. It'd be nice/neat to generate Category:Top level (or whatever you name it) from this list, rather than having to put [[category:top level]] in all the pages. Basically, I want a pretty list of categories like a regular category page gives, but with all categories in the system. [03:41:32] Hmm, Epiphany does not show www.mediawiki.org but Iceweasel does. Strange. [03:43:27] k4jcw: I don't understand how articles would end up categorized, then; you can always categorize other categories [03:43:59] Now it works in epiphany, too. [03:44:01] You'd still put regular category tags in. [03:44:37] You'd just have a way to generate a pretty view of all of them on a page, instead of the way Special:Categories presents them. [03:46:55] Well, I guess you could probably have a script to generate it like you want, but that wouldn't be any more useful than Special:Categories; the point of the top level category is to have a structured organization of 12 big categories, rather than 1000 subcategories [03:49:38] 03dale * r32608 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/ (3 files in 2 dirs): "streams" without a valid default file, are not included in search results [03:53:51] 03(mod) User should be able to see the list of his deleted contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12667 (10DEL>. [03:53:51] Not necessarily clickable or not, but at least still noted in the list. [03:53:52] -- [03:53:54] Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email [03:53:56] ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- [03:53:58] You are the assignee for the bug. [03:54:00] You are watching all bug changes. [03:54:04] _______________________________________________ [03:54:06] Wikibugs-l mailing list [03:54:08] Wikibugs-l) [04:00:33] wikibugs: ? [04:26:19] I ask again: Installing Extension:EditSubpages causes Fatal error: Call to a member function getText() on a non-object in EditSubpages.php on line 30 [04:26:48] Line 30 is $pagename = $wgTitle->getText(); //name of page w/ spaces, not underscores [04:27:31] How to debug does not really help, since even with the suggested error displays and logs I do not get more info than that. [04:27:47] Why does EditSubpages not work at all on my wiki? [04:33:47] Why is wgTitle not defined on my wiki? [04:37:22] Because that variable doesn't exist? [04:39:05] tale: $wgTitle does, though. [04:39:16] MZMcBride: It is given a value in index.php line 58. [04:39:38] Hrm. Someone should make a MediaWiki page about it... [04:39:59] Werdna: What? [04:42:12] Anyway, if it is normal that $wgTitle is not defined in some MW setups, EditSubpages is buggy in relying on that variable being there. [04:43:46] It should be defined [04:43:56] I would assume it's a bug in the extension [04:44:25] tale: is there a global $wgTitle executed in the same function as that line of code? [04:44:36] Werdna: Yes, the previous line. [04:47:46] tale: the extension is just poorly written, I think. [04:47:59] 58 $wgTitle = $mediaWiki->checkInitialQueries( $title,$action,$wgOut, $wgRequest, $wgContLang ); [04:48:02] 59 if ($wgTitle == NULL) { [04:48:05] 60 unset( $wgTitle ); [04:48:05] That is from index.php. [04:48:08] 61 } [04:48:10] yes [04:48:18] but the user's rights are set before that, I think [04:48:19] When does checkinitialqueries return null? [04:48:27] no, it won't be that [04:49:11] I thought index.php is executed at the very start? [04:49:24] yes, but before that like MediaWiki->initialize() is called [04:49:55] But index.php is the only place I have found where $wgTitle is given a value. [04:50:12] right. [04:50:14] BUT [04:50:27] the method in the extension is called when $wgUser is given a value [04:50:32] If EditSubpages.php is run before index.php, no wonder $wgTitle is undefined. [04:51:01] it's not that simple [04:51:06] it's not about the order FILES are run [04:51:11] it's about the order METHODS are called [04:51:46] that extension is badly-written [04:51:50] Werdna: I got that. So your opinion is that EditSubpages is buggy? [04:51:56] yes [04:52:10] the extension should be using the userCan hook, not the UserGetRights hook [04:52:16] It seems to run at least on the authors wiki. [04:53:05] perhaps the order of execution has been changed? [04:54:02] 03aaron * r32609 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): UI tweaks/consolidate some code [04:54:11] Werdna: If I change $wgHooks['UserGetRights'][] = 'EditSubpages'; to $wgHooks['UserCan'][] = 'EditSubpages'; will it make a things better? [04:54:57] Or are more invasive changes needed? [04:54:57] no [04:54:58] you need to do more [04:58:21] sorry, we're not very useful (because we don't know much about every single extension) [05:07:45] Werdna: Thanks, your help is appreciated. [05:29:27] if i want to install a wiki [05:30:03] what folder do in need to change permissions? [05:30:21] the config or the whole wiki folder (in my case its called "wiki") [05:30:43] corky: You have already installed MediaWiki? [05:31:01] no, i extracted the mediawiki V 1.12 [05:31:07] 1.12.0 * [05:31:12] The config folder needs write permissions for www-user during the installation. [05:31:22] ok, yeah.. i over looked something [05:31:28] need to read my stuff better :P [05:35:53] tale, it wouldn't be wise to www-user root ain't it? :P [05:36:14] corky: Don't understand. [05:36:36] Don't run anything as root. [05:37:24] If you run unix or linux, just chmod a+rwx config/ and remove the extra permissions after install. [05:37:29] yes i know [05:37:31] i already did [05:37:40] i just need help with the mysql.so module for Apache [05:37:49] duh, ofcourse, i use linux the whole time, even now! ^^ [05:37:56] 2.6.22-14-generic [05:37:57] :) [05:40:06] corky: So you got MediaWiki installed and have no more worries? [05:40:21] tale, well, no.. i changed the permissions [05:40:26] and it worked [05:40:32] but the NEXT problem arrives [05:40:51] i need to get mysql.so in order to let mediawiki access my mysql database [05:41:11] corky: Surely not. [05:41:40] You need to have user account created in MySQL and give that username and password during MediaWiki installation. [05:42:01] huh.. i don't get it [05:42:13] Alternatively, give MySQL root user password and have MySQL create that user and database for you. [05:42:15] mysql.so is the mysql extension, you would only need it if mysql support wasn't compiled in [05:42:41] i need the MySQL module activated in Apache in order for Apache (and mediawiki) to controll MySQL right?! [05:42:47] not in apache, in php [05:42:58] err.. PHP, ok damn i am confused >_< [05:43:35] corky: What Linux distro are you using? Strange if MySQL support is not already in PHP, Apache etc. [05:43:49] linux usually puts it in a separate package [05:44:03] Well, Its (my server) running debian etc [05:44:05] etch* [05:44:32] install php5-mysql [05:44:32] i selected Database and Web server in the installation [05:44:48] ok [05:45:12] restart apache? [05:45:22] if you use mod_php, yes [05:46:16] well, it works [05:46:27] Environment checked. You can install MediaWiki. :) [05:46:32] err.. i mean: [05:46:37] Environment checked. I can install MediaWiki. :) [05:50:34] flyingparchment, any tutorial on how to configure MySQL? [05:50:43] because i don't have a clue! (^^) [05:50:46] the manual? [05:50:59] yeah, might be a good one, but i mean tutorial [05:51:06] what's wrong with the manual? [05:51:09] step - by - step, and with them i use the manual [05:51:15] manuals are biiiiiiiggg :P [05:51:19] i am laaaaaaaaaaaaazy [05:51:20] :P [05:56:44] corky: Do you need to configure MySQL? [05:56:53] yes, i need to :/ [05:57:04] I have three MediaWiki installations and have never configured MySQL. [05:57:10] O_O [05:57:16] you need to add a DB right?! :S [05:57:24] corky: That is not configuring. [05:57:31] err.. what is it then? [05:57:36] Use PHPMyAdmin and add the database. [05:57:37] ok, creating a database! T_T [05:59:10] tale, well, good one, i never thought of PHPMyAdmin [05:59:11] :) [06:00:55] Hi all. I have some problem restoring mediawiki. [06:01:05] Here is the situation. [06:01:05] "1267: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' (localhost)" - I'm getting this error when trying to open an article with non-Latin-1 characters in the title, but not in fulltext search, and I recently updated to 1.12 - any ideas where the problem might be? [06:01:38] I took a backup of mediawiki database using mysqldump [06:02:03] not if i am trying to restore it, it seems like some tables are missings [06:02:30] actually I am getting only 26 tables restored. [06:03:16] and most of mediawiki I freshly install have more than 30 tables in the database. [06:03:18] ah, found it. looks like protected_titles was created with the wrong collation.... hmmm [06:04:06] dhruv_: Does your dump contain all 30 tables? [06:04:35] tale: my dump contains only 26 tables [06:04:50] is there any chance that some tables are ignored while taking bacup using mysqldump [06:04:58] dhruv_: Well, that explains why restore does not create more than that. [06:05:10] dhruv_: which tables are not present? [06:05:32] flyingparchment:page is not present [06:07:44] then user_groups also missing [06:08:32] querycache is also missing [06:34:20] Wow, expected this channel to be empty :) [06:35:37] littlepinkdot: it is [06:35:41] :) [06:36:00] Have a question, how do I get a navigation menu like the one at http://www.serverwiki.org/ (the right side)? [06:36:31] Im fairly new to MediaWiki and can't seem to find any sort of a "admin" panel. [06:36:51] It's just an HTML table. [06:37:23] You can view the source of the page (using the tab at the top) and copy and paste. [06:38:08] Ah thanks [06:40:43] Also, how do I change the title of Main_Page? [06:41:05] Edit [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]. [06:41:38] Theres no option to change the title [06:41:58] Edit the page to whatever title you'd like. [06:43:05] Think I'm bling :-/ [06:43:08] blind* [06:43:28] Go to http://example.com/wiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Mainpage [06:43:54] Click the edit tab and then change the content of the page before saving. [06:46:07] That only changes the contents though, not the title (still appears as Main_Page in the url) [06:46:52] That will change your main page. You'll have to move your current main page to the new main page as well. [06:57:58] does anybody know how i'm able to change the text which is shown when i push a button of the toolbar [[Link Title]] for example!? [06:58:25] Edit Editpage.php? [06:58:52] Or modify, rather. [07:00:42] ah ok thx [07:06:41] 03(NEW) Spacial Namespace name "Wikipedia" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (kiensvay) [07:10:47] I have 'page' table missing in my backed up mediawiki database. Is that really necessary to restore the mediawiki ? [07:11:01] yes, it contains all information about the pages [07:11:35] 03(mod) Spacial Namespace name "Wikipedia" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 +shell; +comment (10raimond.spekking) [07:12:12] flying: I dumped all my datas using 'mysqldump -R -p --databases wikidb' command [07:12:22] then how come that page table is not dumped [07:14:34] How do I add sub-categories/articles as shown on http://www.serverwiki.org/index.php/Category:Game_Servers ? [07:25:52] I'm setting up a new mediawiki install and it says this: [07:25:52] Couldn't find GD library or ImageMagick; image thumbnailing disabled. [07:26:11] What Debian package should I get to satisify this requirement without installed massive amounts of X11 packages? [07:26:17] lymeca: You do not have imagemacick. installed. [07:26:20] littlepinkdot, add [[Category:Game Servers]] on sub-category/articles pages [07:26:22] imagemagick [07:26:24] Install imagemacick. [07:26:37] Or correctly typed as simonrvn wrote. [07:27:12] Why does imagemagick require so many X11 libraries? [07:27:24] and no, IM doesn't pull in the server, which is ok [07:27:25] 82 dependencies? [07:27:48] lymeca: It uses those libraries. [07:28:10] okay another thing mediawiki tells me: [07:28:10] Couldn't find Turck MMCache, eAccelerator, APC or XCache; cannot use these for object caching. [07:28:18] Should I have one of those isntalled? [07:28:24] What does object caching do? [07:28:28] lymeca: If you want to use them then yes. [07:28:42] I don't use them so I don't need to install them. [07:28:59] apc or eaccel are currently still in dev [07:29:05] s,or,and, [07:29:24] i installed them via pear or from source [07:30:17] 03(mod) Spacial Namespace name "Wikipedia" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 (10kiensvay) [07:30:29] So I'm setting up MediaWiki for the first time,but I want it to use LDAP authentication. I have the LDAP extension installed but not configured. [07:30:47] There's a section on the initial MediaWiki config called "E-mail, e-mail notification and authentication setup" [07:30:53] I'm wondering what I should do here. [07:31:02] you'll also need the auth extension [07:31:10] thanks Sasa^Stefanovic [07:31:30] np [07:31:56] simonrvn: What's the filename of that extnesion? The LDAP one is LdapAuthentication.php [07:32:00] what about the articles? [07:33:05] ah nevermind :) [07:37:07] the extension is just called Auth IIRC, Extension:Auth at mw [07:46:41] 03(NEW) Improve log message for Renameuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13567 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Renameuser; (siebrand) [07:47:03] hi [07:47:24] how can I enable in my Wiki Iframes? [07:51:13] there is an extension for it [07:51:26] check out the extension pgae [08:11:04] hey [08:11:26] is it possible to assign colors to different rows based on an automated template? [08:11:45] like row1 is red, row2 is blue, row3 red, etc. [08:17:58] the only method i know of is using {{template}} for each row [08:20:38] hm [08:39:46] Hola... I am having a small problem with a parserfunction... {{ #ifeq: {{{range}}} |'''Range''' | '''Reach''' }} [08:40:27] .... as I have understood the parsefunction page, this should make the heading "range" if there is indeed a option named range or Reach if there is not... [08:40:39] ... however it only returns blank if it is not range. [08:41:12] ... oh wait... [08:41:17] *head-desks* [08:41:22] you're comparing a cell? heh [08:41:34] also, if you don't have htmltidy, you'll get odd results with generating partial html [08:42:16] Yeah... and just realized it was case-sensitive. :) [08:42:23] I'll just sit here and lurk for a while. :) [08:44:09] hm [08:44:19] tags only work with cite installed? [08:47:47] <_wooz> lo [08:48:44] phrearch, yep [08:49:03] ah got it :) [08:52:03] hello, someone knows how to search in the searching form of a wiki, the contents of that wiki and the contents of other wikis in the same server? [08:58:30] you probably need an extension [09:00:30] 03(NEW) Tag mismatch in page rendering when editing sections on it :wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13568 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (spider87) [09:06:38] thanks, not extensions for that, I seen, [09:36:14] is it possible to display image thumbs in the RC list, instead of the names of the images, when they are uploaded ? [09:40:02] hmm, interesting idea [09:45:42] ThomasV, Special:Newimages ? [09:47:09] enhydra: I want to display it in the RC list, for a specific application [09:48:17] *Splarka tries a user script [09:53:39] hmm, Special:Log parameters aren't localized? [09:53:45] eg Spezial:Logbuch/upload [09:54:47] re [09:56:09] *Splarka can work with that, rubs hands together evilly [10:05:59] 03(NEW) Spam Blacklist sometimes allows to add blacklisted links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13569 normal; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (semenik) [10:16:30] I'm finally fixing up Userrights [10:18:17] ooh, put in a new bug, just for fun [10:21:58] hm, is it possible to override user skins? [10:22:08] like only one skin is allowed [10:22:52] you can remove the rest [10:27:02] ThomasV: have a working userscript [10:27:03] wanna try? [10:27:24] Splarka: sure [10:27:42] http://p.defau.lt/?VWBJKp0ERqzT7qRmzY1kDQ [10:28:01] should work in any language that has no extranuous colon in the localization of the Image: namespace [10:29:10] (and rcThumbLink would have to be configured for any language that had MediaWiki:uploadedimage and :overwroteimage with [[$1]] not as the first link) [10:33:05] Splarka: thanks! I'm gonna test it right now [10:33:27] k [10:38:04] Splarka: it works.. thanks [10:38:25] np [10:38:39] is ugly, but I can't see any non-ugly methods (and will not work with enhanced of course) [10:40:26] actually, I was looking for a method using php [10:40:38] but js will be fine for the moment [10:40:51] yah, js is handy for design [10:40:58] I mean, where would the image not look ugly? [10:41:21] I want to replace the text link [10:41:34] that would have big ugly inline images, heh [10:41:41] yes [10:41:44] (well, with thumb.php anyways, can only control the width) [10:47:25] !wg SkipSkins | phrearch [10:47:25] --mwbot-- phrearch: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSkipSkins [10:47:58] thanks [10:48:08] You're welcome. [10:53:27] Hi [10:53:44] quick question, what PHP accelerator Wikipedia use? maybe someone here know that [10:54:49] Inez: not necessarely any [10:54:53] Inez: mediawiki.org tells you the answer [10:55:39] Inez: memcached [10:56:08] But memcached is only useful when more than one server is used, APC is probably the best for a site hosted on just one server. [10:56:54] ;) [10:56:59] thanks [10:57:08] you're welcome [10:57:09] Inez: you might try #wikimedia-tech [10:57:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_Interface.jpg [10:57:12] check it out [10:57:35] Splarka thanks [10:57:54] rar [10:58:30] Werdna: that's pretty neat, what desktop engine are you using on your computer - those checkboxes and buttons look really sleek? [10:59:01] "select groups you want the user to be removed from or added to" ... [10:59:12] does that mean, checking the box will invert the selection? [10:59:23] or, unchecking the box will remove it? [10:59:34] yeah, I'm tidying that english up soon [10:59:42] (because of the odd way it was done with select boxes.. you might want to clarify) [10:59:59] I've got to make the interface operative, and then I'll tidy it up [11:00:17] bah, skewed priorities [11:00:43] hmm [11:01:03] gonna have info about "You can add yourself to these groups:" and "You can remove yourself from these groups:" ? [11:01:13] (if someone is on their own userrights, of course) [11:04:11] I'm rewording that message [11:04:20] so it says "You can add this user to these groups" [11:04:25] instead of "users" [11:05:11] sweet! [11:05:12] it works! [11:07:06] Splarka: how's this text? You may alter the groups this user is in. A checked box means the user is in that group. An unchecked box means the user is not in that group. [11:07:28] penultimate revision [11:07:51] (as in, overly technical, if accurate) [11:08:36] how is that overly technical [11:08:43] "A checked box means the user is in that group" [11:08:53] as in, long [11:09:11] well, penultimate revision is short but untechnical [11:09:15] erm technical [11:09:23] what should I put instead then? [11:09:49] long words, long sentences... 6 of one, a half of a dozen (being 12 divided by two) of the other [11:10:50] "adjust the rights via the following checkboxes" [11:11:12] Special:Userrights/Splarka [ ] awake [x] asleep [11:11:16] gn ^_^ [11:12:20] nn [11:12:41] hello [11:12:48] hi Nikerabbit [11:12:50] Nikerabbit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_Interface.jpg [11:12:52] opinion? [11:13:20] better :) [11:13:36] hmm yes [11:13:41] maybe on per line if there is many [11:13:55] and please fix the you can add/remove X while you are there [11:14:11] what do you want it fixed to? [11:14:27] Jäsenenä ryhmissä byrokraatti, staff member, ylläpitäjä, kääntäjä [11:14:27] Voit lisätä käyttäjiä ryhmiin sysop, translator, bot, , ja bureaucrat. [11:14:27] Voit poistaa käyttäjiä ryhmistä sysop, translator, bot, , ja bureaucrat. [11:14:33] does that look ok to you? [11:14:34] ah [11:14:36] untranslated [11:14:38] yes, I'll fix that [11:15:01] Werdna that new userrights interface is broken outside of the Wikiimedia Foundation ... [11:15:13] Werdna: it's also throwing E_NOTICED somewhere in language.php, probably because there is "bot, , ja" [11:16:05] s/D/s/ [11:16:19] so if you make it an extension it is ok, otherwise it breaks existing functionality [11:16:38] GerardM-: what are you talking about? [11:17:14] OmegaWiki for instance has several more choises and with the design as it is would not work [11:17:33] GerardM-: why not? [11:17:59] it cannot be part of core mediawiki when it breaks mediawiki sites [11:18:00] GerardM-: why? [11:18:03] Is there a reason why google custom search wouldn't index a mediawiki? [11:18:13] GerardM-: why doesn't it work outside WMF? [11:18:31] Nikerabbit: I've fixed that now [11:18:48] because the design has different rights on one line and there can be many more .. this design would make it cluttered [11:18:59] well, how would you do it? [11:19:43] first, as it is not broken why change it ? [11:19:53] one per line (or column) should not be cluttered [11:20:05] GerardM-: it is broken, it's not obvious how to use it [11:20:18] ?? [11:20:50] one per line is just a waste of space IMO [11:21:10] Werdna: then make columns if there is more than N [11:21:13] Werdna breaking the functionality is a definite waste of effort [11:21:22] it doesn't break anything [11:21:24] I don't understand [11:21:28] me neither [11:21:42] how is chaning two list boxes to more intuitive checkboxes breaking anything [11:21:52] the current design is not considering 25 different user rights [11:21:59] sure it is [11:22:01] is would look awful [11:22:05] I added 15 user rights to my wiki [11:22:07] and it looks okay [11:22:34] Well make it an extension and I will not complain [11:22:46] that's pointless [11:23:22] I have to agree with werdna, it is not that having many rights is the normal case [11:23:47] MediaWiki is not only for Wikimedia Foundation use [11:23:55] so that is not an argument [11:23:59] we know [11:24:00] one second [11:24:03] I've just uploaded this [11:24:07] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights.jpg [11:24:13] it's my opinion that that's not too bad [11:24:15] thanks having a look [11:24:39] but I guess I can put it in 3 or 4 columns if it's such a big deal. [11:25:03] it is obviously broken because you do not show the aa to ak rights as the things you can change [11:25:30] you do not show that a person is already a member of aa to ak [11:26:08] well, the user isn't [11:26:29] Member of: Bureaucrat, Sysop [11:26:30] the current interface does show this properly [11:26:33] yex [11:26:34] yes [11:26:40] wait, no [11:26:48] the current interface DOESN'T show it [11:27:04] I tested on another webhotel, and found out that Extension:EditSubpages gives Fatal error if Extension:ConfirmAccount is installed. [11:27:11] it has two boxes one with the existing rights and the other with the rights that can be given [11:27:27] yeah [11:27:31] this one has a box for every right [11:27:35] it's greyed out if you can't change it [11:27:43] it's ticked if the user has it now [11:27:48] you change it by ticking/unticking [11:27:56] that does not make it better [11:28:02] why not? [11:28:27] because you repeat all the rights possibly three times ... [11:28:51] no you don't, all the rights are listed once [11:28:53] and only once [11:29:00] no [11:29:11] a person can have all rights (one) [11:29:19] 03(mod) Job queue estimate often woefully inaccurate; need a better strategy - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9518 +comment (10lars) [11:29:22] you can add to the groups (two) [11:29:30] How about two lines? "Currently in: [ ] Sysop [ ] Bureaucrat", "Other rights: [ ] Bot [ ] aa [ ] ab..." [11:29:52] Well, "[X] Sysop [X] Bureaucrat". [11:29:52] then there is the list where you can atually change things (three) [11:30:03] GerardM-: Nevertheless all 3 possible actions are represented on one line. [11:30:27] but when you have 25 choises it is ugly as sin [11:30:43] you can edit that [11:31:04] actually you can't [11:31:07] it isn't parametered [11:31:17] well, I mean, I can get rid of those lines? [11:31:43] happens in the current interface anyway [11:32:28] MinuteElectron, there can be 25 choises [11:32:37] *Nikerabbit wonders what is so hard with a checkbox [11:32:51] either it is checked or not, and you can either click on it or not [11:33:05] Well, you can specify a width parameter on the checkbox CSS that would make them appear roughly in columns. [11:33:13] the current layout is much more intuitive [11:33:28] "more intuitive" <-- bullshit [11:33:34] I think you're in the minority thinking that. [11:33:59] really, who here has studied user interface usability or usability at all? [11:34:08] well you are about to make it worse for projects outside of WMF and that is bad [11:36:33] it is not going to change anything else but two listboxes to list of checkboxes [11:37:04] hi i wanted to create a button for my mediawiki toolbar. does anybody know where i can get the background (or basic button because of size and colour etc.)? [11:37:05] so in other words, non-standard interface element usage to a standard one [11:38:58] well, I do not agree that it will be an imrovement [11:39:06] I think it will look worse [11:39:15] I'm doing it in columns. [11:39:39] also werdna's http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights.jpg is incomplete [11:39:47] so it does not show what it will look like [11:40:27] GerardM-: what it is missing? [11:40:58] the two "you can" lines are not complete [11:41:12] GerardM-: they are complete [11:41:18] they are not [11:41:29] GerardM-: they are [11:41:31] aa to ak should be on either line [11:41:35] hello again [11:41:38] the user just can't add or remove anyone from those groups [11:41:56] neither can he remove bureaucrat rights [11:42:10] no body know how to search in multiple wikis showing results in one of them? [11:42:35] this is a screen for a bureaucrat [11:43:04] it is to CHANGE things [11:43:20] So Niklas you are wrong there [11:43:29] GerardM-: pleas think for a moment [11:43:37] and don't tackle to the names of the groups [11:43:58] Niklas, this is a screen to change the rights correct ? [11:44:04] GerardM-: yes [11:44:05] horfulus: I don't know personally, but I know Wikia has a crosswiki search feature. [11:44:13] This is done by a bureaucrat right ? [11:44:17] GerardM-: no [11:44:21] so he CAN change aa to ak [11:44:26] no [11:44:40] it is done by the groupS that can change any rights [11:44:44] GerardM-: Bureaucrats can only change a few rights; it is stewards that have unlimited access. [11:44:49] and they can only change the things they are allowed [11:44:57] Pathoschild: that is only convention [11:45:13] Yes, and MediaWiki is extensible, so we can have whatever rights-changing groups we want. [11:45:18] yes [11:45:25] Pathoschild stewards do not exist outside the WMF [11:45:36] No, but similar user groups do. [11:45:52] not necessarily [11:46:06] this is not about which group can change which rights [11:46:18] this is about how the information is presented to the user [11:46:24] horfulus: Take a look at http://search.wikia.com/wiki/Search_Wikia [11:46:31] So consider that the person using it CAN change the rights [11:46:34] yes, I deliberately changed the rights to demonstrate the greyed-out bit [11:46:36] I added these lines [11:46:51] $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['userrights'] = false; [11:46:51] $wgAddGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'bot', 'sysop', 'bureaucrat' ); [11:46:53] $wgRemoveGroups['bureaucrat'] = array( 'bot', 'sysop' ); [11:47:18] ok [11:47:40] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights.jpg [11:47:43] so does anybody know where i can get an "blank" button (with this gray as background...because it's not just one colour it has a light effect and i dunno how to do that with my draw tool...so i thought maybe there is a basic button available)?°! [11:47:43] new columned version [11:48:18] mondschein: are you asking about mediawiki or how to draw pictures? [11:48:37] i want to add an button to the mediawiki toolbar [11:49:24] a special one which doesn't already exists with the extra toolbar extension available for mediawiki...and all those buttons have the same background [11:49:39] mondschein: tho the edit toolbar? [11:49:56] there is probably some empty one in commons or somewhere [11:50:50] mhm :( that's what i'm asking...been already scanning google and en wikipedia :( but thx [11:51:30] Werdna this still does not show what it looks like when you can change everything [11:51:39] first hit in common... :) [11:52:06] GerardM-: can you imagine all of those boxes being like the one with 'Bot' in front of it? [11:52:33] argh [11:52:35] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/skins/common/images/button_template.png?revision=13443&view=markup [11:52:43] No the thing is that the "you can... " lines will look horid [11:53:02] GerardM-: but those lines are there already! [11:53:22] yes but they do not have the aa to ak values in there [11:54:32] and these values will be more wordy anyway [11:54:47] uploading... [11:54:51] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights_%28all_edited%29.jpg [11:56:02] well if you do not see my point ... [11:56:09] it does look bad [11:56:39] what part of it? [11:57:06] all of it to be honest [11:57:41] the "you can" lines will be on multiple lines... [11:57:50] it is plain ugly [11:57:57] but that already happens in the current interface! [11:57:59] those lines are *Already* there! [11:58:16] the ONLY thing I've changed is the listboxes to checkboxes [11:58:22] no each of those will be multiple lines [11:58:56] Werdna: maybe you should do new versus old shot for GerardM- :o [11:58:59] Werdna it would imho be better if you did not [11:59:39] I've been told by everybody except you that the new version is better [11:59:43] that's about five users. [11:59:55] TimStarling: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights_%28all_edited%29.jpg [12:00:07] implemented, but I'm still figuring out how to do it. [12:00:32] I am looking at the page of nl.wiktionary [12:00:39] so I see what it looks like today [12:00:48] OmegaWiki is on an older release [12:01:03] and I think the 1.10 version does do me we [12:01:10] multiple columns (I'm now being told my stewards that they prefer all one line, i.e. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/archive/8/81/20080331114732%21New_UserRights_Interface_-_Lotsa_Rights.jpg ), or in a big list, or in columns. [12:02:13] I just bought a new laptop [12:02:20] 11:47 * Pathoschild would prefer a 2-column list, with changeable rights on one side and non-changeable rights on the other. [12:02:23] ooh, is it good? [12:02:26] 11:48 < Pathoschild> The format we have now (2-column list with rights the user has on one side and those they don't on the other) would be fine too. [12:02:27] yes [12:02:41] what OS ? [12:02:55] it's a Lenovo R61, the latest model [12:03:05] OS ? [12:03:10] I'm going to try to run linux on it [12:03:16] ok [12:03:23] what distribution ? [12:03:34] but the salesman said I should make a backup of the preinstalled system first in case it doesn't work [12:03:38] which he didn't think it would [12:03:47] so I'm doing that now [12:03:56] Lenovo has a reputation for Linux [12:03:56] ah [12:04:05] TimStarling: what do you think of my userrights stuff? [12:04:17] I have ubuntu 7.10 here, I will probably use that [12:04:31] I think anything with checkboxes must be good [12:04:47] I haven't loaded your screenshot yet [12:04:51] okay [12:05:14] we've got a bunch of suggestions for laying them out. Stewards seem to want two columns, one with settable, one with unsettable, or one with set, and one with unset [12:05:18] I think I'd prefer the former. [12:05:53] 03(mod) User rights log doesn't reflect removing of sysop rights - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12925 (10FT2.wiki) [12:07:11] Werdna it will work but all the wordiness is not an improvement from 1,10 MediaWiki [12:07:40] It has already been stated that will be fixed once implemented. [12:08:49] could anyone tell me: im using mediawiki for a software project's website. i want to have some static html pages in there that aren't rendered by mediawiki. where's the best directory in my mediawiki installation to put these html and php files? [12:09:17] commmmodo: create a new directory, it doesn't matter what it is called something like "static" would do fine though. [12:09:26] ok [12:10:16] thank you MinuteElectron... i was trying to avoid a mod rewrite to make the path look pretty (sans static), but i guess i have no choice? [12:10:42] How would you make a path look pretty? :\ [12:11:14] putting php files in a directory called 'static' seems like a strange thing to do [12:12:39] TimStarling: I was accepted btw [12:12:58] Nikerabbit: well done [12:13:08] Hi, can anyone help me out with getting an external link to work? I've tried all examples listed on Help:Links, and mediawiki fails to linkify the link. [12:16:10] Werdna: I think a mark next to each checkbox label would be better than the big list of groups at the top [12:16:49] TimStarling: what, like disabling the checkboxes that don't work? [12:16:51] something like (+) (-) (+/-) to indicate when groups can be added or removed or both [12:17:00] in the label [12:17:10] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_interface_-_Columned_based_on_settability.jpg [12:17:16] and yes, disable the checkboxes that don't work [12:17:21] which I've already done [12:17:36] you want the (+) / (-) / (+/-), too? [12:17:53] as well as columns? no [12:18:01] okay [12:18:15] what do you think of the latest one? [12:18:15] well, assuming the columns were labelled [12:18:22] ah, I should label them [12:18:41] but why have you got a big text list as well as columns? [12:18:52] and how do you internationalise that list? [12:19:04] well, doesn't matter if you're removing it I guess [12:19:19] well, it originally wasn't internationalised [12:19:26] I made it internationalised [12:20:22] of course the checkboxes can't convey all information that the texts have [12:20:32] like only removing or adding itself [12:21:16] presumably it would need to be algorithmic, you can't necessarily substitute the "and" for some other thing and get a valid list in the other language [12:21:49] TimStarling: $wgLang->listToText( $add ), count( $add ) ); [12:21:50] L( [12:21:52] :)* [12:22:50] the main problem I have is that the column headers kinda run together [12:23:27] Cute table à la prettytable? [12:24:24] that's what padding is for [12:24:55] mmmm, that means I have to set a css class and add it to common.css [12:25:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_interface_-_Columned_based_on_settability.jpg [12:25:07] what it looks like now [12:25:46] what's the count($add) for? [12:26:28] $out[] = wfMsgExt( 'userrights-available-add', 'parseinline', [12:26:29] $wgLang->listToText( $add ), count( $add ) ); [12:26:40] it's for {{PLURAL:$2}} usage [12:27:05] right.. [12:28:31] usually numbers are formatted :o [12:28:39] anyway [12:28:42] I deleted that routine [12:28:43] not my code [12:29:10] TimStarling: do I have to create a new css class or is there a convenient one that already exists for padding that table a bit? [12:29:51] you might be able to find an existing class for generic table formatting [12:30:09] I would suggest adding a new one though [12:30:21] it's not very hard [12:30:21] probably an id [12:30:42] isn't wikitable in mediawiki? [12:30:45] I don't like IDs, I only use them for javascript, not CSS [12:31:04] Nikerabbit: nope, it so should be though ;) [12:31:10] because if you use ID selectors, people have to duplicate the IDs to get the same formatting [12:32:25] and that's not really valid [12:34:07] hello ? [12:34:09] TimStarling: okay, I'll change it back to a class [12:35:32] is there someone who could help with a DOMDocument::loadXML [12:36:29] I reckon CSS would do just fine with class and element name selectors only [12:36:48] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_interface_-_Columned_based_on_settability.jpg [12:36:54] how's that now? [12:37:02] no descedant, child, ID or attribute selectors [12:37:21] they just cause trouble [12:37:46] it looks weird now [12:37:58] why do you say that? [12:37:59] it says you can remove group bureaucrat but you can't [12:38:12] no it doesn't... [12:38:15] where does it say that? [12:38:20] oh right [12:38:21] I see [12:38:27] I've labelled it wrong [12:39:28] fixed that, Nikerabbit [12:39:35] Groups you can add or removeGroups you cannot add or remove [12:40:32] hello [12:42:35] could someone please have a look at a Internal error i am getting... http://support.webwidget.com.au/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page [12:43:30] i just installed 1.12 on Vista machine running Apache & PHP 5.2.5 [12:43:57] final version, ready to commit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:New_Userrights_interface_-_Columned_based_on_settability.jpg [12:44:41] Werdna: is it live in SVN? [12:44:53] no [12:44:54] not yet [12:44:56] hold your horses :P [12:45:10] I'm getting a few nods from stewards first [12:45:16] seeing as they're the ones who have to use the damn thing [12:55:32] VasilievVV: ready, set.... [12:55:39] GO! [12:55:43] Committed revision 32610. [12:55:44] :P [12:57:55] *Werdna to bed [12:59:41] DOCUMENTATION!!! [13:00:55] MinuteElectron: you re the one who commited my poor patch yesterday a bout a notice in old parser... i m an experienced lamp developper, but not so familiar with mediawiki, have you a list of easy things to do for the beginning ? [13:01:32] MinuteElectron: and also bump-$wgStyleVersion-on-css-change :) [13:01:48] i guess i'll do that then [13:01:52] lordgun: just a moment [13:02:25] k [13:04:58] this is borked anyway, why global $wgRequest if you've had the request class passed as a function paramater? [13:11:10] 03minuteelectron * r32611 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php SpecialUserrights.php): Remove $request parameter from saveUserGroups function, update documentation for saveUserGroups function and increment $wgStyleVersion by one. [13:11:44] lordgun: Ok, on bugzilla there is a keyword called "easy", you should be able to browse them bugs for ones to do (but they aren't always that easy or non-controversial) the easiest way is just to browse the bug list. [13:15:18] MinuteElectron: some users likes anti-globals philosophy [13:17:00] well, it was being globalized later on in the code path anyway [13:17:32] Wegge: there's a tiny issue in the redisign you made: [13:17:41] "Member of: Bureaucrat, staff member, Sysop, Translator" [13:17:51] Wegge: those are the role names, not the group names. [13:17:57] and i noticed that brion removed globals being passed to the main constructor function [13:20:28] siebrand: Werdna went to bed... [13:21:01] 03(mod) Spacial Namespace name "Wikipedia" - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 (10kiensvay) [13:29:54] *delurks* [13:30:12] I am having a small problem with a parserfunction... {{ #ifeq: {{{range}}} |'''Range''' | '''Reach''' }} [13:30:27] .... as I have understood the parsefunction page, this should make the heading "range" if there is indeed a option named range or Reach if there is not... [13:30:50] ... oh waaait... IfEq might be less than ideal? [13:35:22] There... a normal If worked as it should. Sorry for being a dumb-nut. [13:41:21] 03(mod) Navigation headings should not be lower-cased in German - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1553 (10mr.heat) [13:45:31] 03siebrand * r32612 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [13:45:31] * Add new messages to messages.inc [13:45:31] * Rebuild MessagesEn.php [13:45:59] 03(mod) Improve log message for Renameuser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13567 (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:03:16] 03(NEW) Create a tag that excludes all annotations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13570 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (joaoolavo) [14:09:09] 03simetrical * r32613 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 3 dirs): The message content has changed significantly, so renaming to userrights-groups-help to avoid now-bad translations/customizations of various kinds. [14:10:15] hi... how can i edit the content of the naviagation bar on the left of every wiki? [14:12:39] Philippp: edit MediaWiki:Sidebar [14:12:44] !help Sidebar | Philippp [14:12:44] --mwbot-- Philippp: Hi! I'm mwbot, a bot that was quickly whipped up by Daniel Cannon (AmiDaniel) to help out around #mediawiki. Some quick help is at < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwbot >, you can find all my source code at < http://amidaniel.com/viewvc/trunk/MWBot/?root=svn >. A dump is now available at < http://tools.wikimedia.de/~amidaniel/botbrain.html > [14:12:47] dammit [14:12:53] !pdhelp Sidebar | Philippp [14:12:53] --mwbot-- Philippp: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sidebar [14:13:26] hi [14:14:59] when i include ({{:xyz}}) a page, how can i get the titel (=xyz) in the xyz document (its part of a extension)? [14:18:11] 03simetrical * r32614 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialUserrights.php: Bug pointed out by siebrand: should use the messages for the group, not for the group member (e.g., "bureaucrats" not "bureaucrat", or conceivable "staff" not "staff member"). [14:27:23] 03siebrand * r32615 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (Names.php messages/MessagesNon.php): Old Norse/non (dead language since 1300) removed as UI language. [14:29:55] lagalopex: you could try {{PAGENAME}}, but I am not sure if it is what you want in this case... [14:29:55] 03siebrand * r32616 10/trunk/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES: Note removal of 'dum', and 'non' [14:32:46] but how can i add a box below toolbox in the sidebar? [14:40:34] *Philippp repeats his question: how can i add a box below toolbox in the sidebar? [14:43:28] how i can get a skin for pda? [14:43:56] i get a hp ipaq 2490b from a break storage server by hp [14:44:13] and i want to know how to convert mediawiki content accesible via pda [14:44:25] any special skin for it? [14:44:33] something like wap? [14:51:08] 03shinjiman * r32617 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): [14:51:08] * Update Chinese translations [14:51:08] * Update Cantonese translations [14:51:08] * Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations [14:52:22] how can i add a box below toolbox in the sidebar? [14:54:39] Philippp, hack the software. [14:55:02] lol of course [14:55:14] skins/MonoBook.php [14:56:36] simetrical: something about mediawiki for pda? a personalized skin? [14:56:52] online of course...i dont want a offline version [14:57:01] asmarin, the Chick skin is meant to be lighter-weight, but really it isn't much, that I've noticed. [14:57:09] ok [14:57:12] It does remove the floating and stuff. [14:57:15] We have a bug open on this. [14:57:32] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 [14:57:36] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882 [14:57:45] i think programmers must to think on a future for new devices like iphone and similar for mediawiki visualization [14:58:07] Yes, but nobody's gotten around to it. [14:58:29] asmarin, brion una vez preguntó quien tenía pdas para testear [14:58:48] sin las pda con que probar los cambios, poco pueden hacer [14:58:57] (y nadie quiere regalarles pdas xD) [14:59:03] hehehe if a apple programmer guy is here now...must to talk with his boss to send some iphone to mediawiki programmer for test this :-P [14:59:07] jajajaja [14:59:09] a eso voy tio [14:59:27] que si uno de google o apple estuviera por aquí ahora deberia de enviar un par para testeo [14:59:33] creo que hay una aplicación para iphone que usa wikipedia [14:59:33] asi harían de generadores de demanda [14:59:57] ya ya...pero creo que la aproximación mas correcta es modificar el skin y punto....y tener la aplicación para usos offline [15:00:16] i will send a mail to brion to remember him this [15:00:32] brion is using brion*pobox account yet? [15:00:34] Siinäpä veit sanat suustani. Hölkynkölkyn vaan. [15:00:55] Ääliö älä lyö, ööliä läikkyy. [15:01:36] platonides: brion usa todavia su correo de pobox? [15:03:02] P [15:03:06] Perhaps this channe [15:03:17] Sorry, my cat walks on keyboard. [15:03:32] faceface, unfortunatelly no. i have a page A where I include page B (with my extension). Now I need to know in my extension the name B, also its included in A. Most (all?) ways I tried return only A. [15:03:56] Perhaps this channel should be english only, and private discussions done with private messages. [15:05:05] Ah. When there is a section header entitled "blahblah {{non-wikied-template}} blahblah", I can't find a way to use internal wiki links to link to it. Am I wrong ? [15:06:26] (Or, better, no way to use [[pagetitle#anchor]] ) [15:08:00] *Philippp asks: how can i add a box below toolbox in the sidebar? [15:08:50] hey people - is there a way to get MediaWiki to produce a Google Sitemap? [15:09:43] fishsponge, yes, there's a maintenance script. [15:10:05] fishsponge, generateSitemap.php [15:10:30] Simetrical: The requested URL /generateSitemap.php was not found on this server. [15:10:56] fishsponge, maintenance/generateSitemap.php. And it needs to be run from the shell, unfortunately, like most MediaWiki maintenance stuff at the moment. [15:11:10] At least without some hacking. [15:12:24] ah... well i don't have shell access, but i do have cron access, so do i just run it like that and redirect the output somewhere (i.e. "php /path/to/maintenance/generateSitemap.php > /path/to/sitemap.xml")? [15:13:06] fishsponge, check the file itself for some documentation. There's a help message at the bottom. [15:13:09] Let me pastebin it. [15:13:18] i test chick skin and is a good aproximation for pda visualization [15:13:24] http://pastebin.ca/964771 [15:13:26] simetrical, platonides [15:15:46] oh common, doesn't anyone know how to add a box below toolbox in the sidebar? [15:17:35] Philippp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GDonato/monobook.js at the bottom [15:18:00] for en.; somewhere else you could try something similar [15:19:32] hm... isn't it an article like mediawiki:sidebar? [15:21:29] Philippp: just edit the actual sidebar and then put in another single-bullet point at the bottom [15:21:32] oh sorry [15:21:39] i thought you meant per user [15:21:49] *GDonato should read previous conversation [15:22:06] Philippp: http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/wiki/How_To_Edit_The_MediaWiki_Sidebar [15:33:41] hi [15:34:09] does anybody know if its possible to "export" wiki pages into .odt ? [15:35:45] what format is my sitemap in? http://www.hobbsknowledgebase.co.uk/sitemap/ [15:35:59] is this suitable for Google Webmaster Tools (i.e. a "Google Sitemap")? [15:37:28] what dont you try to feed google wt with it ? [15:41:26] Hello [15:41:36] I'm importing enwiki [15:41:56] How long time to do with impordumps.php? [15:41:58] fishsponge: why dont you even try to click the link by yourself first? [15:44:04] Anyone here? [15:44:11] skiidoo: Norwegian? [15:45:51] debian: No, I'm French, but even if I was Norwegian I would have the same lack of answer to your question. [15:46:18] Hmmm, or maybe this one: the last time I tried to import a dump, I used the web interface and it went well. [15:47:24] Skido makes snowmobiles in norway [15:50:35] Yeah, spelled otherwise. [15:51:43] Not sure how [15:52:01] !b 505 | any dev [15:52:01] --mwbot-- any dev: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505 [15:52:26] me wanna bump prio on that one.... [15:57:50] AzaTht: not very implementable [15:58:02] Because of squid cache [16:06:24] hmm, userrights looks intuitive now [16:17:19] Is there a way to get the full changes that were made to an article in an email notification (as opposed to just the summary and the url)? [16:17:56] Items that are in the Watchlist of course [16:18:18] the current diff display's a bit tough to email around (unless we go html) [16:18:33] brion: I like userrights now :) [16:18:43] oh? [16:18:50] *brion wonders what the kids have been up to over the weekend [16:18:59] maybe I can kill MakeReviewer [16:20:09] brion: heh, still waiting on Godwin here ;) [16:20:53] Apparently part of the new big grant is supposed to go to flaggedrevs. I wonder if that means some new UI contractors or something funky [16:21:18] i thought that was being funded by the verein [16:24:17] woo [16:25:00] brion: maybe the changeable groups should be bolded [16:25:22] I can barely tell the difference among the greyed out ones and the others [16:31:51] 03(mod) Tag mismatch in page rendering when editing sections on it:wiki - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13568 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [16:33:12] *derwin remains bummed out that sections are not aware of which section they are :/ [16:40:28] VasilievVV: thought logged in users ignored the squids [16:40:40] hmmm... [16:40:43] Ah [16:40:52] *VasilievVV mesed it with Accept-language issue [16:41:04] he [16:41:32] VasilievVV: just noticed I had to update the time again (as we went to summer time yesterday) [16:42:55] 03aaron * r32618 10/trunk/phase3/ (includes/SpecialUserrights.php skins/common/shared.css): * Add mw-userrights-disabled class to grey out unchangeable rights [16:43:22] Argh... [16:43:37] Bump $wgStyleVersion! [16:46:26] AaronSchulz: Surely it would automatically be greyed out? [16:46:42] hmm, text color [16:46:44] right [16:47:10] the labels were still normal [16:47:17] 03aaron * r32619 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DefaultSettings.php: $wgStyleVersion [16:53:54] is there any way to get cool auto-linking-and-anchoring section like things which also display which section they are and/or can be styled? an extension, perhaps? [17:12:29] Hello [17:12:58] If i have SUL'd, and sign into a wiki i havent signed into before, how come its taking the old email of my master account? Or is it the email i had set when i SUL'd? [17:13:25] Any way to change them all easily..? [17:15:09] I've just installed mediaWiki, but i have a problem : when i visit : page/subpage on subpage there is not a link "< page" [17:15:50] nax, its a setting [17:16:51] Reedy: #wikimedia-toolserver [17:16:53] *tech [17:16:58] dman auto-tab [17:17:04] #wikimedia-tech [17:17:06] (sorry for my english i'm french) but what code put and where ? thanks :) [17:17:19] !subpages | nax [17:17:19] --mwbot-- nax: By default some namespaces have subpages enabled and others don't. You can enable or disable them using $wgNamespacesWithSubpages in LocalSettings.php. [17:17:21] MinuteElectron, yeah, i posted in both just incase someon was listening [17:17:50] mwbot: ok thanks [17:17:59] Reedy: You really shouldn't do that, it's kinda annoying -- ask in one then if you don't get an answer post somewhere else. [17:18:29] Will bare in mind for future - It was one of those that i wasnt sure which was appropriate [17:21:36] Hello! [17:22:07] I have just finished setting up MediaWiki on an intranet and have a question [17:22:53] can I do a theme per namespace? [17:23:03] not easily [17:23:08] maybe with an extension [17:23:11] !ask | edmicman [17:23:11] --mwbot-- edmicman: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [17:23:53] Does anything special need to be set up for emailing? I am running on an Ubuntu Server install, which has a working bugzilla installation that emails users. The wiki installation went fine, and I registered myself as a user....but the authentication email button gives an error: "Mailer returned: mailer error " [17:24:15] Thanks! [17:25:27] I don't see anything in the FAQ regarding the email component of mw....at least anything varying from the defaults....does it just use sendmail? [17:25:57] httpete: there's an extension that allow to use a skin per page, but not for whole namespaces, but it shouldn't be hard to write one [17:26:12] maybe wrong email address? :p :D [17:26:39] :-) I checked that [17:27:39] Email works fine with bugzilla on the same system, I assumed that it should work with any other scripts? Or does mw use something different? [17:28:30] Hmmmmm....or, should the admin/site contact email be different from a registered user's email address? [17:29:56] nope [17:32:05] 03raymond * r32620 10/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Localisation updates German [17:35:36] ahhhh do I need php pear mail or something like that? It doesn't just use sendmail or something? [17:42:26] edmicman: as far as I know we use some emailing function that php has, which probably just calls sendmail or something [17:42:35] dang it....apparently bugzilla *doesn't* user sendmail....no sendmail was installed......I think it's working now :-) [17:46:38] 03aaron * r32621 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (7 files): [17:46:38] * Remove MakeReviewer [17:46:38] * Add tokens to patrol links [17:46:38] * Make sure patrolling is used only in the right scope [17:46:39] * Fix form defaults [17:46:39] * Add $wgFlaggedRevsCascade [17:58:11] 03aaron * r32622 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php): Shorten preview message [17:58:45] 03aaron * r32623 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Typo [18:01:52] 03aaron * r32624 10/trunk/phase3/includes/DifferenceEngine.php: Return '' to avoid vague cryptic error message when a user lacks permissions [18:12:11] 03yaron * r32625 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/libs/SF_yui_autocompletion.js: Added special unescaping for colons [18:12:49] How can I get a faster parser for enwiki? [18:13:03] 03yaron * r32626 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/skins/SF_main.css: Added overriding of MediaWiki's "width: 100%" setting for textareas [18:14:00] 03aaron * r32627 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (ChangesList.php SpecialRecentchanges.php): [18:14:00] * Don't show "hide patrolled edits" link for people that can't see the patrol markings [18:14:00] * Have this and ChangesList use the same usePatrol() check [18:14:59] 03yaron * r32628 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/specials/SF_AddData.php: [18:14:59] Changed "unique number" handling to start with blank instead of 1, added [18:14:59] support for "start=" parameter for "unique number" [18:15:48] 03yaron * r32629 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormClasses.inc: [18:15:48] Added newline between label and input for free text in form generated by [18:15:48] 'CreateForm' [18:15:59] brion: Is the project to move categories and interwiki into metadata still interesting? [18:16:06] maybe [18:16:32] brion: for LQT we really wanted to add and delete those programmatically. [18:16:38] brion: any projects particularly interesting then? [18:18:22] god knows :D [18:18:27] my attention's a bit divided today [18:19:15] Ok, should I talk to someone else? [18:23:12] 03yaron * r32630 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: [18:23:12] Fixed handling of date fields left blank; fixed automatic-page-name creation to [18:23:12] allow the use of date fields; fixed handling of "default=now" parameter for [18:23:12] date fields [18:23:15] 03(FIXED) Language error in system message - Norwegian version - " Login needed"/Innlogging kreves - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13560 +comment (10niklas.laxstrom) [18:24:36] 03yaron * r32631 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_GlobalFunctions.php: Uncommented setting of $wgNamespaceAliases [18:24:53] 03yaron * r32632 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/INSTALL: New version: 1.0.2 [18:27:07] 03aaron * r32633 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedArticle.php FlaggedRevs.php FlaggedRevsPage.php): Specialpage/class name consistency with core [18:31:10] 03aaron * r32634 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: No need to split out queries [18:31:38] 03yaron * r32635 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticForms/includes/SF_FormPrinter.inc: Fixed PHP bug [18:35:55] hi! [18:38:00] hi [18:41:03] Does mediawiki have a cron? [18:43:59] 03siebrand * r32636 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (MessageGroups.php Translate.php): Remove Makereviewer [18:44:00] no, it's a wiki [18:44:26] [[Spescial:stastistics]] say I have one page [18:44:37] I know I have at least 15 00 [18:44:42] 15 000* [18:44:52] did you do imports or something? [18:44:56] Yes [18:45:01] there is maintenance script to update those numbers [18:45:08] where? [18:45:12] under maintenance [18:45:35] What name? [18:45:47] updateSiteStats.php or something [18:48:36] Where can I set the skin to use for a wiki? [18:49:16] solifugus_: $wgDefaultSkin (or somethin like this) [18:49:43] 03(NEW) Printable version should not include editsection links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13571 minor; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (saibot834) [18:54:07] mwdumps say 3à673à000 pages, what does this mean? [18:55:53] 03siebrand * r32637 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [18:55:53] * move tg to tg-cyrl [18:55:53] * tg falls back to tg-cyrl [18:55:53] * add tg-latn as UI language [18:56:08] is there any way to get cool auto-linking-and-anchoring section like things which also display which section they are and/or can be styled? an extension, perhaps? [19:02:35] 03siebrand * r32638 10/trunk/extensions/ (84 files in 81 dirs): Rename 'tg' to 'tg-cyrl' in extensions [19:05:30] mwdumps isnt using harddrive space... [19:05:36] what can be wrong? [19:06:10] The database isnt geting bigger [19:07:34] Okay so I want to configure short URLs [19:07:43] wikisite.org/Main_Page [19:08:05] I read the downsides of this but my wiki is *just* a wiki and I can't imagine what else it would conflict with in my Documentroot [19:08:21] short URLs are /wiki/Foo [19:08:26] /Foo is just broken URLs ;) [19:10:05] flyingparchment: Okay but why? [19:10:06] Too bad we can't make it illegal ;) [19:10:26] I desire wiki.org/Main_Page instead of wiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [19:10:35] What will really be broken if I choose the former? [19:11:01] Well, imagine you want to use a stylesheet [19:11:17] Then you're gonna have to teach the web server how to tell that from an article [19:11:43] You have to special case every single real file to avoid it being treated as an article [19:12:11] Well what other special files are there besides index.html and style sheets and robot.txt? [19:12:27] 03siebrand * r32639 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: [19:12:27] Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki [19:12:27] * update FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php, all languages rebuilt (except 'en') [19:13:23] scripts, images, icons, api entry points, who knows what else [19:13:36] hmmm [19:14:01] but if you want to use a stylesheet, can't you just put it in the mediawiki namespace? [19:24:03] can someone help me understand why mediawiki cannot include the number of the section in the text of the heading? [19:24:16] ie, is it even possible for someone to write an extension which would do that, or is it just impossible? [19:24:24] derwin: it is an user preference [19:25:09] no, I mean in the rendered heading.. not in the link. [19:25:36] ie, = heading = displays as

1.1 heading

instead of

heading

[19:26:46] AaronSchulz: you around? [19:27:04] *AaronSchulz is lovesick [19:27:24] AaronSchulz: what's the status on revision deletion? [19:27:52] how long until it might be ready for use on Wikimedia? [19:28:36] when private logging and code review is done [19:29:44] a few months? a year? [19:29:44] AaronSchulz: is private logging mandatory because it should supersede the current oversight code? [19:30:08] Hell if I know [19:30:48] I'm sure several projects wouldn't mind having a public interface only, in the meantime... [19:36:11] 03raymond * r32640 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: [19:36:11] Localisation updates German [19:36:11] Partly revert of r32639 for German. [19:45:22] 03ialex * r32641 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (3 files): [19:45:22] * Delay messages loading, only load them when necessary [19:45:22] * Pass the good permission name to the parent constructor of Special:CentralAuth so that it is listed for users that have the centralauth-admin right [19:57:38] Is there a create table database function, I can't seam to find one? [19:57:51] prolly not [19:57:55] aww [19:58:04] thanks anyway [19:58:07] :( [19:59:02] *MinuteElectron doesn't want to do a manual SQL query. [20:00:41] do you really want to generate tables on fly? [20:00:58] yep [20:01:05] what about maintenance/tables.sql ? [20:01:19] No, I want to make custom tables. [20:01:24] ah. [20:01:44] My extension is for data handelling and will allow users to make custom data tables and I want to make them. [20:01:54] But raw SQL queries are not good. [20:04:34] and I guess that a generic table won't do, since the data structures will probably differ too much from one user to another [20:05:03] yeah [20:09:52] anyone ever tried to get the "Navigation popups" Gadget to work in a local mediawiki install? I think I did everything neccesary to install it, I see the popup windows but it fails to load the content - I see /* Empty */ instead [20:10:24] is $wgAllowUserJs set to true? [20:11:09] good question, let me check [20:13:11] MinuteElectron, when I set that, I no longer even get the broken popup window [20:14:38] hmm but on second though, getting rid of it doesn't re-enable the broken popups so something else is probably busted [20:15:09] zarath76: do you have the API enabled? [20:15:33] I'm not sure what API you mean so chances are, no [20:16:02] ! API [20:16:05] !API [20:16:05] --mwbot-- The MediaWiki API provides direct, high-level access to the data contained in the MediaWiki databases. Client programs should be able to use the API to login, get data, and post changes. Find out more at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [20:16:20] I believe popups uses the API [20:17:08] 03magnusmanske * r32642 10/trunk/tools/commonsapi/ (. commonsapi.php): Extended toolserver API for image data/license/desctiption from Commons. See recent commons-l thread for context. [20:18:21] MrZ-man, thanks, I'm reading that now, but so far I don't see anything about how to install/activate it... is it an extension or builtin? [20:19:02] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgEnableAPI [20:19:09] it should be enabled by default.. [20:19:31] ok it does appear to be enabled on my site [20:19:39] at least when I go to the api.php page I see a bunch of docs [20:24:30] 03(mod) Template parameters unavailable to XML-style parser tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2257 (10alexp) [20:24:53] 03(mod) Provide preference-based autoformatting for unlinked dates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4582 (10alexp) [20:25:14] there's no keyboard shortcut to get to the raw page, correct? [20:25:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Keyboard_shortcuts [20:26:00] Should a 15GB .xml database dump only become a 2.18gb database? [20:26:18] possibly [20:26:29] the database is binary, the xml has lots of bloat [20:26:38] *lots* [20:26:55] Where is the maintinance script? [20:27:06] maintenance/importDump.php [20:27:07] or [20:27:09] I think I see the problem with the nav popups but I'm not sure yet how to fix it - it's requesting page URLs like GET http://wiki/wiki/index.php?title=index.php/Some_Page [20:27:10] !mqdumper [20:27:10] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "mqdumper". [20:27:13] !mwdumper [20:27:13] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwdumper [20:27:19] debian: ^^ [20:27:24] MinuteElectron: I used mwdumper [20:27:28] ok [20:27:36] MinuteElectron: It went in less than 2 houres [20:27:36] maintenace script to do what then? [20:28:01] MinuteElectron: Make Great Britain and United Nations articles come. [20:28:12] oh, right [20:28:16] bad dump then [20:28:18] :( [20:28:37] MinuteElectron: I got it from The-pirate-bay [20:28:46] are you kidding? [20:29:18] MinuteElectron: http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4108312/_enwiki-20080312-pages-articles.xml.bz2.torrent [20:29:22] No?! [20:29:27] geez [20:29:53] anyway, maybe it is ok - did you get any ouput from mwdumper? [20:31:19] 6á552á490 pages (1á870,462/sec), 6á552á490 revs (1á870,462/sec) [20:31:25] A lot of lines like this [20:32:42] hmm, k [20:32:45] i don't know then [20:34:18] 03ialex * r32643 10/trunk/extensions/SkinPerNamespace/ (. SkinPerNamespace.php): New extension, allows to customize per-namespaces skins [20:34:55] MinuteElectron: If I start again, will it load in only the ones I need... [20:34:58] ? [20:39:15] 03ialex * r32644 10/trunk/extensions/SkinPerNamespace/SkinPerNamespace.php: damn, forgot svn:keywords property [20:40:33] debian: no [20:40:45] it might overwrite the old ones though [20:45:30] Stupid thing [20:46:45] if I am using a template like {{:namespace{{{1}}}}}}, called like {{Template|Page Name}}, but a transcluded page might itself contain a page transcluded via the same template, is there a standard way to avoid the "looping template" problem? [20:47:02] All I wanted was wikipedia on localhost for a test... [20:47:06] I could just create a second template which I only use within :namespace, but.. that seems inelegant? [20:48:36] ok I think I figured out my problem with popup navigation - I need to configure apache so that index.php isn't needed to load an article. I assume some kind of Alias configuration directive [20:48:36] 03ialex * r32645 10/trunk/phase3/docs/globals.txt: Removed $wgLoadBalancer from doc [20:49:01] so that http://wiki/wiki/Article works intead of http://wiki/wiki/index.php/Artcle [20:49:43] !shorturls [20:49:43] --mwbot-- To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at . There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem [20:54:00] is it possible to protect only a single section of a page? [20:54:08] unlikely [20:54:48] should I jsut include a protected page instead to havemore or less the same effect? [20:54:53] not exactly. However, you can put that part inside a protected page, and transclude it in the desired page [20:55:04] still, one can undo the transclusion [20:55:49] ironically, you can protect the whole page, but put the parts which shouldn't be protected in subpages which are not protected, and transclude them in the first one [20:56:06] then people can edit those sections (subpages) but not the part you have protected [20:57:52] MrZ-man, thanks again for the info. I just screwed up the site temporary during business hours by editing apache config files, so I think I'm gonna have to wait until after 5pm to mess with this ;) [21:00:26] MrZ-man, yea it looks like that page has all the info I need. I shall be trying this in about 1 hr [21:00:31] :) [21:12:37] 03(NEW) create=sysop and case variants - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 minor; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (mnh) [21:14:58] 03(mod) create=sysop and case variants - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 minor->15enhancement (10raimond.spekking) [21:31:00] 03huji * r32646 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesEn.php MessagesFa.php): [21:31:01] * Adding/updating Persian translations [21:31:01] * RebuildLanguage on "fa" and "en" [21:37:19] 03huji * r32647 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations [21:56:29] 'lo [21:57:14] Is there a link showing how to attach a file and how to insert an image in a wiki page? [21:57:21] don't see it on the general formatting type wiki pages [21:58:08] !images | Wanderer [21:58:08] --mwbot-- Wanderer: For instructions to use images in MediaWiki, see . For more technical details about image uploads, see and . Note that uploads are disabled per default (see !uploads). [21:58:26] !uploads [21:58:26] --mwbot-- File uploads are an often-used feature of MediaWiki, but are disabled by default in all current release versions. To enable them, first make the upload directory (default images) writable by PHP, then set $wgEnableUploads to true in LocalSettings.php (i.e. "$wgEnableUploads = true;"). See for more info. [21:58:50] Thanks [22:15:29] Who should I talk with about the category metadata gsoc project? [22:18:35] i was wondering if anyone could help me with a skin: i've set $wgDefaultSkin = 'myskin', I've created the php file that extends SkinTemplate and I created the folder with CSS files. problem is nothing is "taking effect". It is showing the default skin monobook still. i logged in as admin and changed the skin there, and its also set with wgDefaultSkin as I said. why isn't anything taking effect? i know css and php pretty we [22:18:57] hmm, ok, the attachment page doesn't actually give the attachement syntax, just how to enable it [22:19:24] !skin | commmmodo [22:19:24] --mwbot-- commmmodo: Overview: . Skin usage: . Gallery of CSS styles: . Writing your own: [22:20:42] thanks Skizzerz [22:20:56] np :) [22:21:10] my guess is that you didn't register the skin correctly or something [22:21:26] although "myskin" already exists per default, so that might be the real problem [22:21:57] ok, I have a .doc file I want to put on my wiki for reference, how do I upload it, and more importantly how do I link back to it? [22:31:15] thanks Skizzers, i got it! and no i was just using myskin as an example. problem was i didnt realize that i need the whole php file copied.. so thanks! [22:33:27] is there a variable that i can use in the skin's php file that references this skin's path? [22:33:37] so i can refer to images, etc? [22:36:31] like $skin_dir? [22:39:28] commmmodo: $wgStylePath [22:39:40] thank you MinuteElectron [22:41:37] who does one credit, to reuse http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Button_reflink.png on another site? [22:41:52] i'm not sure where the image history is... [22:42:25] ok: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Button_reflink.png [22:42:43] so MinuteElectron, this should work, or did i mess something up :) [22:42:47] public domain anyway [22:44:16] commmmodo: no space between ah gotcha [22:51:21] hey Werdna: if you know, is still looking for mydomain.com/header.jpg. do I need to do anything to make wgStylePath work? [22:52:10] hmm, global $wgStylePath? [22:52:52] i'm sorry, what does that mean? :_ [22:53:14] it means "Import the global variable $wgStylePath to local scope" [22:54:02] so you're saying to type [22:54:11] no [22:54:23] [22:54:56] 03huji * r32648 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesFa.php: * Adding/updating Persian translations [22:55:21] thank you guys [22:55:36] you're welcome [22:56:11] ok, that works. i've been in ruby land for a few months and i've forgotten so... :) [22:57:24] $this->html('title') is used to print out the page title, so i wanted to check it in a conditinal... hm, so this is not coming back true html('title') == "Main Page"): ?> but I printed out the contents of $this->html('title') and it's "Main Page" exactly? ps default install, i'm just on the homepage [23:02:21] any ideas? am i missing something? [23:02:48] i printed it out before the conditional to make sure I was in scope, and it still returned "Main Page" [23:02:55] so I don't see how its not passing the conditional test [23:03:01] $this->data[ 'title' ] [23:03:10] not $this->html( 'title' ); [23:03:26] the former returns the string, the later prints the data to the client [23:03:34] oh it does a print [23:03:41] yes, anonyingly [23:03:57] hahaha, thats funny now that i see it [23:04:42] Perhaps, but it's a chore to find $this->data, you have to go trawling through a load of code. The documentation is poor. [23:04:45] awesome that works. is "data" a mirror of "html" or kind of similar, or not really at all? [23:05:01] data is the raw data, html outputs it [23:05:09] right i got that, but how similar are the two [23:05:22] ones an array, the others a function? [23:05:24] like if i see something else that is shown with html('something') can i rely on data[ [23:05:28] yes, you can [23:05:30] 'something'] being there [23:05:34] html() reads from the data[] function [23:05:35] cool [23:05:38] gotcha [23:05:53] thanks man you really know the mediawiki template stuff! [23:06:28] no problem [23:07:29] ps is that minoooot or like 60 seconds of electrons? [23:08:07] small [23:08:27] the former, i suppose :) [23:11:06] haha, ok [23:11:11] * Community portal [23:11:12] * Current events [23:11:31] what am i supposed to use these for? if i was a real, hardcore, no whimps mediawiki site [23:12:26] what do you mean? [23:13:16] like Community Portal is to maintain an open conversation? and Current events is like if this was for a community group or something and i wanted to advertise the potluk? [23:13:26] seems like 2 random ass pages to have in the default install [23:13:32] 's why i'm askin [23:15:10] commmmodo: use them for whatever you want, or remove them, it's up to you [23:15:15] !sidebar [23:15:15] --mwbot-- To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [23:15:38] ok, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't deleting something important, thnx [23:15:40] aaand MrZ-man beats me to the bot yet again :) [23:15:50] :D [23:16:23] *Skizzerz should really be testing out his extension update now, but is too lazy :) [23:19:05] u guys love ur botz [23:19:11] :-) [23:20:34] *Skizzerz pets mwbot [23:20:37] *Skizzerz pets mwbot [23:23:39] lol [23:24:02] it says "ow!" if you kick it [23:24:15] *Skizzerz kicks mwbot [23:24:24] hmm... or amidaniel might have removed that [23:24:35] I think that's the other bot [23:24:39] *MrZ-man kicks CIA-45 [23:24:39] ow [23:24:43] ah [23:24:44] :P [23:24:49] *Skizzerz gets his bots confused [23:24:56] wikibugs has no easter eggs :( [23:24:59] *Skizzerz eyes wikibugs -- what can YOU do? [23:25:26] MinuteElectron: {{so fix it!}} [23:25:37] :| how? [23:27:21] idk [23:27:38] :P [23:29:50] ok so i've installed mediawiki 1.12.X, and uploaded the CategoryTree folder to the extentions folder, and on localsettings.php, just before the "?>" i added the two lines. first i left {{path}} as it was - didn't work, then i wrote there "extentions/CategoryTree" and it's still not working... what to do? =\ [23:30:04] Now that the Makesysop extension is obsolete, which options do I need to set in LocalSettings.php? [23:30:17] !wg AddGroups | Cobi [23:30:17] --mwbot-- Cobi: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAddGroups [23:30:27] NaNg: did you follow the exact instructions on the extension page? [23:30:37] extention page? [23:30:46] what... extention page? [23:30:48] !e CategoryTree [23:30:48] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree [23:31:02] ^ that one [23:31:15] ok so it seems like i did ok... [23:32:44] i still don't know where i went wrong [23:33:09] could you please copy-paste the require_once line that you added (and ONLY that line)? [23:33:30] require_once( 'extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php' ); [23:34:00] try using require_once( "$IP/extensions/CategoryTree/CategoryTree.php" ); instead [23:34:04] see if that works [23:34:12] $IP/wiki/ex...? [23:34:17] no [23:34:31] no, just $IP/ex... [23:34:34] yes [23:34:38] bah, sorry [23:35:29] still... [23:36:48] the bad part is i don't know what to search for in the special page, cuz i don't know that page translation. [23:38:37] hey MinuteElectron, i got a good one for you. my MyVeryOwnTheme.php is a php file so i can use embedded php and use the $wgStylesPath but what do I do in a CSS file? it's not php [23:39:25] make a new file in style/MyVeryOwnTheme/main.css [23:39:36] then add that in your php file [23:43:08] im sorry how do i add it to main.css [23:45:30] Hi, I need some help with Categories, I'm trying to get links to all the pages that I have listed under the same category to show up on another page. Say I have a page called USA, I want links to all the States to pop up and I have all the states in Category:States. I thought I could put in {{Category:States}} and have them pop up, but the page comes up blank. Anyone know what I can do? [23:45:37] Sorry for the long post. [23:52:15] does anyone know: the search box outputs a search button and a go button. why? [23:53:36] go goes directly to the artcile if it exists, search loads up a search page no matter what [23:53:46] if the article does not exist go goes to the serch page as well [23:53:56] ah [23:53:59] gotcha thanks [23:54:10] np [23:54:22] So, can anyone help me with the Category question I posted? [23:54:37] what does wikipia use MinuteElectron? [23:54:39] *wikipedia [23:54:46] both [23:55:15] Jakes: You must install an extension for that. [23:55:27] There is one, I can see if I can find it for you. [23:55:39] Okay, thank you. [23:56:03] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList2 [23:56:20] It is a very hefty extension but provides the capabilities for listing extensions. [23:56:27] s/extensions/categories [23:57:10] Okay, thanks Minute, much appreciated. [23:57:18] no problem