[00:02:07] <BjornH>	No but have do it now. Can not see any result.
[00:04:12] <MrZ-man>	Skizzerz: quite a few redlinks - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Maintenance_scripts#List_of_maintenance_scripts
[00:10:42] <Skizzerz>	MrZ-man: yeah... tell me about it
[00:10:54] *Skizzerz 	goes off to write the createAndPromote one... seems simple enough
[00:15:27] <Smaug>	nobody cares about maintenence scripts, it seems
[00:15:43] <Smaug>	Skizzerz to the rescue
[00:19:26] <Smaug>	is derwin here?
[00:27:09] <kanzure>	Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; <--- the latex is syntactically correct, and the mediawiki metawiki isn't too helpful with experiences with this error (it pops up over the net, so I'm guessing there's a solution for people using the math extensions). 
[00:28:08] <kanzure>	it's an "iffy" thing - sometimes the latex works, for other equations it doesn't
[01:15:34] <CIA-34>	03aaron * r32729 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Remove leftover line
[01:27:54] <CIA-34>	03dale * r32730 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (3 files in 3 dirs): semantic queries now support "pod-cast" rss output for video media
[01:32:35] <BjornH>	!upgrade
[01:32:35] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[01:42:24] <CIA-34>	03dale * r32731 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_allpages.js: rss output link fix
[02:27:27] <wladston>	Search in my wiki always return nothing. I have just ran REPAIR TABLE searchindex; and I'm using words with more than 4 characters. What else can I do to fix search on my wiki ? 
[02:28:31] <andrewn>	anyone here from indonesia?
[02:36:38] <wladston>	I've been searching this stuff for hours, could not find anything ....
[02:55:16] <G_SabinoMullane>	wladston: Have you tried updateSearchIndex.php?
[02:55:49] <wladston>	G_SabinoMullane:  no! That is ran from the command line php ?
[02:59:49] <G_SabinoMullane>	Yes: see the maintenance directory
[03:03:02] <wladston>	G_SabinoMullane: just done it, didn't help
[03:03:21] <wladston>	the script finished normally without any errors
[03:04:00] <G_SabinoMullane>	Try clearing out your cache.
[03:06:03] <wladston>	G_SabinoMullane: clear_interwiki_cache.php <- This ? 
[03:09:50] <simonrvn>	touching localsettings will do it
[03:10:05] <simonrvn>	(unix `touch')
[03:10:24] <wladston>	simonrvn:  well, I just edited it a few minutes back ..
[03:11:23] <simonrvn>	that'll do
[03:11:34] <wladston>	did it, touched the localsettings file ...
[03:11:44] <wladston>	but the search still returns nothing 
[03:12:13] <simonrvn>	for that to work, you need to have that $wgCacheEpoch = max( $wgCacheEpoch, $configdate ); thing at the bottom
[03:12:58] <simonrvn>	that's weird... maybe you have some db corruption?
[03:13:15] <wladston>	it's possible, the database is very old ... and large!
[03:13:23] <wladston>	will add the settngs ....
[03:14:29] <simonrvn>	the $configdate variable is : $configdate = gmdate( 'YmdHis', @filemtime( __FILE__ ) );
[03:15:33] <wladston>	ok
[03:16:25] <simonrvn>	so any time you edit, the cache will get invalidated, and get freshened
[03:16:42] <wladston>	inserted the two lines, touched the file ...
[03:16:50] <wladston>	but search still doesn't work ...
[03:18:28] <wladston>	G_SabinoMullane: I have updated the cache, but no good ... you have any other clue ? 
[03:18:47] <simonrvn>	well, it'll help with potential other issues, if any :). 
[03:19:00] *Anonona_DC 	is searching for a working, free, MW-based wikifarm for an unofficial nonprofit, and has been denied a Wikia page
[03:19:14] <Anonona_DC>	any ideas, other than running my own?
[03:20:35] <G_SabinoMullane>	wladston: Maybe try manually selecting things from the table searchindex.
[03:27:52] <wladston>	G_SabinoMullane: it gives some results when I try to search at si_title
[03:28:24] <wladston>	ny table has 919 rows
[03:33:23] <wladston>	looks like the updateSearch isn't working! I truncated my searchindex table, and ran the  maintenance/updateSearchIndex.php. My searchindex is still empty!!
[03:40:53] *wladston 	is completely clueless
[03:57:41] <simonrvn>	weird
[04:09:00] <wladston>	i'm running all the scripts at the maintanance folder, to see if any of them helps ...
[04:32:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Request Portal Namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13221  (10trengarasu)
[04:52:54] <wladston>	I ran all the scripts in the maintenance .... and I still can't rebuild my search index
[04:53:49] <wladston>	ops - sorry - I managed to rebuild my search index table, but I still can't search anything
[05:11:06] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Spam Blacklist; (lilewyn)
[05:16:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599  +comment (10cometstyles)
[05:40:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599  (10lilewyn)
[06:22:46] <t0lk>	can anyone help me to get these two tables to take up 100% of the screen? http://bahaikitext.org/The_beginning_of_all_utterance
[07:22:26] <YazzY>	hi guys
[07:22:39] <YazzY>	is it possible to include iframe into an article? 
[07:23:33] <YazzY>	basically include a remote website, i.e <iframe src='http://foo.com'>
[07:27:05] <dungodung>	not unless you do some hacking
[07:27:13] <dungodung>	or perhaps, there's an extension for that
[07:27:53] <Werdna>	there is
[07:28:09] <YazzY>	Werdna: please do tell
[07:28:26] <Werdna>	an extension
[07:28:28] <Werdna>	that's all I know
[07:28:31] <YazzY>	k
[07:29:09] <YazzY>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Website_in_iFrame
[07:29:10] <YazzY>	got it
[07:29:13] <YazzY>	thanks 
[07:29:21] <YazzY>	laters guys
[07:29:50] <dungodung>	yeah. how hard must it have been to do a google search first and not ask
[07:42:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Disable IP address' edits on pt-wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7809  (10sadik.khalid)
[07:43:41] <YazzY>	hi again
[07:43:59] <YazzY>	whenever i add an extension, i get following error: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent...etc
[07:44:02] <YazzY>	any idea why ?
[07:45:21] <YazzY>	seems to appear becouse of $wgExtensionFunctions[] 
[07:45:37] <Werdna>	YazzY: does your LocalSettings.php file have a ?> at the end? (it shouldn't)
[07:46:17] <YazzY>	Werdna: it does not
[07:46:29] <YazzY>	it's not closing php 
[07:46:34] <Werdna>	do the extension files have <? at the beginning?
[07:46:50] <YazzY>	yes
[07:46:51] <YazzY>	hm
[07:46:57] <YazzY>	must be it
[07:47:34] <YazzY>	no, <? is needed in extensions
[07:47:47] <YazzY>	of they dont get parsed
[07:47:57] <Werdna>	yes
[07:47:58] <YazzY>	code is shown as text only without opening <?
[07:47:59] <Werdna>	they should
[07:48:07] <Werdna>	that's what I'm checking
[07:49:57] <YazzY>	the websiteFrame is giving me this error regardless of what i do 
[08:04:58] <_wooz>	lo
[08:06:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Adding an option to filter Allpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13600 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (OsamaK.WFM)
[08:08:00] <YazzY>	is it possible to add custom css to a specific site? 
[08:10:24] <Duesentrieb>	!pagecss
[08:10:24] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageCSS
[08:10:31] <Duesentrieb>	that's one ways
[08:10:39] <Duesentrieb>	the other is using a page-specific rul in the global css
[08:10:47] <Splarka>	body.page-Foobar {}  ^_^
[08:10:58] <Duesentrieb>	indeed
[08:11:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10N/A)
[08:12:32] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Adding an option to filter Allpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13600  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:12:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Optionally exclude redirects from Special:Allpages and Special: Prefixindex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7204  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:50:12] <YazzY>	Duesentrieb: thanks
[08:50:43] <YazzY>	one more thing, how to change the main menu on the side? 
[08:50:53] <Duesentrieb>	!sidebar
[08:50:53] --mwbot--	To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[08:51:03] <Duesentrieb>	read thje faq, btw
[08:51:09] <Duesentrieb>	i bet is has answers to both questions
[08:52:06] <YazzY>	Duesentrieb: thanks again 
[08:52:30] <YazzY>	Duesentrieb: i was using the search option on the website of mediawiki and got wrong results
[08:52:53] <Duesentrieb>	the search sucks.
[08:54:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spezial:Pages with Semantic Errors - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13598  +comment (10ThomasBleher)
[08:58:29] <YazzY>	i got amazon web shop baked in now
[08:58:30] <YazzY>	great
[08:58:32] <YazzY>	thanks a lot
[08:58:40] <YazzY>	and bye
[09:25:10] <Cupertino>	Hi, i dont see config/LocalSettings.php after insallation, have i missed something?
[09:26:22] <Dashiva>	What happens if you try to run install again?
[09:27:39] <Cupertino>	no idea, i just insalled a few minutes back
[09:27:52] <Cupertino>	should i try to reinstall then?
[09:28:32] <Cupertino>	nm its there now :/
[09:28:39] <Cupertino>	some invisible file setting in my app
[09:37:51] <josch>	what could be the reason (security wise) to not configure and init mediawiki through the webinterface?
[09:43:34] <domas>	josch: none?
[09:44:22] <padde>	josch: somebody could find your not-yet-configured instance and configure it for you ;)
[09:45:00] <toweri>	That's what web server configuration is for...
[09:45:13] <toweri>	(prevent others from accessing the wiki until the time is right)
[09:47:12] <Splarka>	"not-yet-configured" can bite you in the ass: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3506274
[09:55:43] <josch>	so you suggest that there is no risk in having a webinterface to configure mw...
[09:59:30] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32733 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Fix linkprefix
[10:10:37] <Piero>	hey guys, what the function that returns the language (like returns 'de' or 'en', ....) ?
[10:11:39] <Werdna>	language of what?
[10:11:48] <Werdna>	the site itself, or the user?
[10:12:02] <Piero>	just if the user is on an english page, then u get 'en'
[10:12:14] <Piero>	the language of the actual viewed page
[10:12:25] <Werdna>	the interface, or the text that's written in it?
[10:12:36] <Piero>	theres nothing with wgLang
[10:12:36] <MinuteElectron>	josch: There is no risk whatsoever, they shouldn't be able to do anything at all if you've got secure MySQL\PostgreSQL passwords; even if you don't and they know or brute force them the only thing they can do is install the SQL databases (which can easily be deleted) and create a config file in the /config directory, which is useless unless you have filesystem access.
[10:12:46] <Piero>	hmm i dont know
[10:12:55] <Piero>	the interface i guess
[10:13:09] <Piero>	or give me both if you know them! :)
[10:13:20] <Werdna>	Piero: what I'm talking about is, if somebody visits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=zh
[10:13:21] <MinuteElectron>	Piero: That's not really possible because it would break caching, what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[10:13:24] <Werdna>	do you want it to return zh, or en?
[10:15:23] <Piero>	hmm its like i created a new type of users, and i need their language to be stored in the db(in a table i created as well). When an admin change the user group, a hook is automatically updating the db, and i need to store the language as well
[10:15:33] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: huh r32733?
[10:15:51] <Piero>	so the language the admin would use when he changes the user group would be fine
[10:16:08] <Werdna>	well, $wgContLang is the language of the whole site
[10:16:14] <Werdna>	$wgLang is whatever the user has selected
[10:16:21] <Nikerabbit>	those are objects
[10:16:25] <Werdna>	yes
[10:16:27] <Piero>	yes
[10:16:31] <Werdna>	but I think they have methods which return the language code
[10:16:34] <Werdna>	look in the code
[10:16:35] <Nikerabbit>	then call $x->getCode()
[10:16:48] <Piero>	and theres no method for $wgLang for ex that returns a string of the lang
[10:17:06] <Piero>	no they dont
[10:17:09] <Piero>	have methods
[10:17:32] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32734 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (54 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-04-03 12:03 CEST)
[10:18:18] <Nikerabbit>	Piero: object which doesn't have a method? :D
[10:18:29] <Nikerabbit>	you probably forgot global $x;
[10:18:30] <Piero>	i mean methods that returns the lang...
[10:18:37] <Nikerabbit>	is php or nuts or what:
[10:18:37] <Nikerabbit>	php -r "var_dump( '\\\\a\\\b\\c\d' );"
[10:18:38] <Nikerabbit>	string(8) "\a\b\c\d"
[10:19:00] <MinuteElectron>	You could just global $wgLang, $wgContLang; and use your favourite?
[10:19:26] <Piero>	lol but they dont have the methods that returns the lang
[10:19:43] <Piero>	which class is it?
[10:20:08] <Nikerabbit>	hmm
[10:20:10] <MinuteElectron>	Piero: It's not a class, just echo $wgLand or $wgContLang;
[10:20:12] *Nikerabbit 	hates shell
[10:20:30] <Nikerabbit>	are we talking about php or javascript here?
[10:20:31] <Piero>	but they are objects
[10:20:43] <Piero>	they're not strings
[10:20:59] <MinuteElectron>	Piero: objects, hmm
[10:21:01] <MinuteElectron>	wtf?
[10:21:12] <MinuteElectron>	!class ContLang | Piero
[10:21:12] --mwbot--	Piero: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classContLang.html
[10:21:27] <Nikerabbit>	MinuteElectron: wth there is no such class
[10:21:31] <Piero>	lol not found
[10:21:36] <siebrand>	MinuteElectron: The requested URL /doc/classContLang.html was not found on this server.
[10:22:04] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: you did not change anything in r32733
[10:22:13] <MinuteElectron>	erm, ok
[10:22:18] <MinuteElectron>	*shrug*
[10:22:19] <Nikerabbit>	Piero: are you coding php or javascript?
[10:22:30] <Piero>	php
[10:22:48] <Nikerabbit>	then you want $wgLang->getCode() or $wgContLang->getCode() probably
[10:23:04] <Nikerabbit>	but probably you are not interested in the actual code itself
[10:23:51] <Piero>	hehe no
[10:24:26] <Piero>	im just gonna write a new function in language.php :)
[10:24:27] <Nikerabbit>	or do you want the name of the language?
[10:24:34] <Piero>	by the way I corrected the social profile extension, i will release it in 2 or 3 days
[10:24:40] <Piero>	all fixed
[10:24:45] <Piero>	all working! :)
[10:24:50] <Nikerabbit>	[13:10:37]  Piero> hey guys, what the function that returns the language (like returns 'de' or 'en', ....) ?
[10:24:58] <Nikerabbit>	that's exactly what ->getCode() does
[10:25:02] <Piero>	lol ok
[10:25:18] <Piero>	i thought the code was something else lol
[10:25:26] <Piero>	soz
[10:25:29] <Piero>	and thx
[10:26:25] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: so, wanna know the name of the file I'm working on now?
[10:26:45] <Nikerabbit>	Werdna: .php?
[10:27:31] <Werdna>	Nikerabbit: SpecialGlobalBlock.php
[10:28:00] <Nikerabbit>	yay, can't you extend SpecialBlock?
[10:28:14] <Mike_lifeguard>	if Special:Nuke allows you to delete "recent page creations by a single user/ip" does that include image uploads?
[10:29:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	or are uploads in the RC table?
[10:30:17] <Nikerabbit>	uploads are at least in three tables afaik
[10:31:35] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Support global blocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  +comment (10Andrew)
[10:32:22] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes, looks like they are listed with rc_type == 3
[10:34:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	so it is /possible/ for it to delete uploads, but does it do so?
[10:35:36] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32735 10/trunk/extensions/ (53 files in 52 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-04-03 12:03 CEST)
[10:38:35] <Nikerabbit>	Mike_lifeguard: 3 is probably RC_LOG
[10:39:10] <Mike_lifeguard>	yes. the data is there, but I don't think the extension does allow uploads to be deleted...
[10:39:15] *Mike_lifeguard 	is writing up a bug now
[10:41:52] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Expand Special:Nuke to revert all of a user' s actions in recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Nuke; (mike.lifeguard)
[10:43:43] <Piero>	whats the difference between $wgContLang and $wgLang?
[10:44:34] <Mike_lifeguard>	$wgContLang is the language of your content
[10:44:43] <Piero>	thx
[10:44:59] <Mike_lifeguard>	dunno what the other one is
[10:45:15] <siebrand>	$wgLang - Language object selected by user preferences
[10:45:15] <siebrand>	$wgContLang - Language object associated with the wiki being viewed.
[10:45:24] <siebrand>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Global_variables
[10:45:48] <Piero>	its strange i cant find in the db where $wgLang is stored
[10:46:50] <siebrand>	Piero: probably in user.user_options
[10:46:57] <Piero>	aaa ok
[10:47:15] <Piero>	that helps me! ^^
[10:48:23] <siebrand>	Piero: mine is: nlanguage=nl
[11:37:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add {{GRAMMAR}} to Polish - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11837  15enhancement->normal; +comment (10xarak)
[11:42:23] <Werdna>	Special:GlobalBlock first images are ready. anybody want to see?
[11:44:18] <Warpath>	Simetrical, Werdna called you old and silly :O
[11:45:00] <Werdna>	:P
[11:47:11] <MinuteElectron>	Werdna: I would like to.
[11:47:29] <MinuteElectron>	Just save them in PNG this time or Simetrical will bite someones ass off. ;)
[11:48:50] <Werdna>	MinuteElectron: that's what Warpath was joking about
[11:48:56] <Werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image:Globalblock.png
[11:49:14] <MinuteElectron>	Oh, lol.
[11:49:17] <Warpath>	:D
[11:49:42] <MinuteElectron>	Werdna: Can't you block users with it. :o
[11:57:45] <AaronSchulz_>	Werdna: maybe you can do SUL renaming too
[11:59:17] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz_: eek!
[11:59:21] <Werdna>	:P
[11:59:27] *Werdna 	doesn't write many extensions
[11:59:34] <Danny_B>	can't save higher number than 7 in preferences for "Days to show in recent changes:" is there any variable for that to enable higher number?
[11:59:34] <Werdna>	this is my second one from scratch, I think
[11:59:59] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: I only wrote 3
[12:00:05] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: mmm
[12:00:09] <Werdna>	my first is invitations
[12:00:13] <Werdna>	which is shiny and great but useless
[12:00:21] <AaronSchulz>	though two of them are whoopers
[12:00:32] <Werdna>	well you did a lot on checkuser and flaggedrevs, right?
[12:00:43] <AaronSchulz>	yes
[12:02:35] <CIA-44>	03rotem * r32736 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Update.
[12:02:40] <Werdna>	hmm, I can't be bothered to do rangeblocks just yet
[12:02:43] <Werdna>	I'll get to them later
[12:06:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Page move vandalism creates - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13602 minor; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (wikimedia)
[12:14:45] <Mike_lifeguard>	did anyone ever look at bug 13526 which is about me being able to delete a page more than once O.O
[12:22:15] <omnivibe>	I want to dynamically set the sidebar, based on the page viewed... is that easily doable?
[12:25:16] <Mike_lifeguard>	omnivibe: I can't think of an easy way, but that doesn't mean it's not there ;)
[12:25:28] <Mike_lifeguard>	js could do it, but I don't consider that easy :)
[12:26:39] <Werdna>	hmm.. enough code for today.. I need to bug Tim
[12:27:53] <omnivibe>	Mike_lifeguard: so basically, I need to edit the skin's php file to call the javascript with the dynamic content, that then replaces the sidebar's div?
[12:28:26] <Mike_lifeguard>	...maybe. You're more than 10 steps ahead of me
[12:28:44] <Mike_lifeguard>	I would have said add some script to common.js
[12:28:57] <Mike_lifeguard>	no editing php needed
[12:30:18] <omnivibe>	Maybe there's an easier solution for all this under my nose... I want to have a hierachal menu that displays in the sidebar, and change it depending on the page. I've got the CategoryTree extension working to group pages together, and thinking of using that...
[13:06:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API query returns two <page> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13596  (10roan.kattouw)
[13:29:06] <Sundance_Raphael>	hi
[13:29:36] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32738 10/trunk/extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki
[13:32:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Optionally exclude redirects from Special:Allpages and Special: Prefixindex - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7204  +comment (10waldir)
[13:49:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) ability to have member categories as well as subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13590  +comment (10catlow)
[13:51:36] <timetrek>	hey, i am trying to skin mw and i get right of the sidebar, i deleted all of its content but there is still empty space there, does anyone know how to get rid of it? thx
[13:56:31] <omnivibe>	wtf.... I'm editing an extension, and my changes don't show for a wiki article unless I edit/save that article?!
[13:56:33] <omnivibe>	is there a workaround?
[13:57:44] <lymeca>	So I'm trying to migrate a MediaWiki installation from GoDaddy hosting to a custom solution which we have control over.  I read the "Backing up a Wiki" article and it sounds like the major thing I need is the SQL dump and the images directory. 
[13:57:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add a possibility to retrieve all defined user groups and their permissions via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13603 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (mormegil)
[13:58:20] <lymeca>	Right now the machine I want to install the wiki to has MediaWiki 1.12.0 installed but unconfigured.  If you navigate to it it has the page asking you to fill in the values to configure it.
[13:59:00] <lymeca>	Now my question is: should I import the SQL dump, and tell the web-based configuration to point to that DB and configure it that way like it really is a new MediaWiki isntallation with a filled DB?
[13:59:32] <lymeca>	Or should I copy over all config files from the GoDaddy-hosted installation as well as the SQL dump and images folder?
[14:00:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Create a special page to view all defined user groups and their permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13604 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (mormegil)
[14:00:49] <Mike_lifeguard>	lymeca: I'd go with bringing over config and content
[14:01:41] <lymeca>	Mike_lifeguard: okay so should I import SQL file, then literally just copy the entire contents of the documentroot onto the new fresh install?
[14:02:10] <lymeca>	Will it matter that the old-but-currently-working GoDaddy MediaWiki installation is an older version than 1.12.0 which I have on the new site?
[14:02:20] <Mike_lifeguard>	possibly. how old?
[14:02:37] <Mike_lifeguard>	well.... no actually I doubt it would, and it'd be easily fixed if that's the case
[14:02:56] <lymeca>	I don't know.
[14:03:08] <lymeca>	I don't have shell access to the GoDaddy account.
[14:03:10] <lymeca>	Only FTP
[14:03:17] <Mike_lifeguard>	Special:Version
[14:03:49] <lymeca>	1.11.0
[14:04:36] <lymeca>	and MySQL 5.0.45-log whereas the one I have on the new site is 5.0.51a
[14:06:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	I believe that that should be fine. No guarantees though (as always) ;)
[14:06:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add a possibility to retrieve all defined user groups and their permissions via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13603  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:07:33] <lymeca>	Mike_lifeguard: should I import the SQL file as the same sql user and pw?
[14:08:42] <Mike_lifeguard>	I don't know what you mean by that.... whatever user you need to get it done
[14:22:10] <Simetrical>	AaronSchulz, WTF, there are like fifty commits by you in my mailbox.  You can commit multiples files at once, you know.  :P
[14:24:01] <Simetrical>	Oh, Pager for log, yay.
[14:24:31] <Simetrical>	Showing them in watchlists too, even better.
[14:30:04] <nagib>	Hi, i have one question...
[14:30:13] <nagib>	wikimedia is free to use in commerce ?
[14:30:19] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:30:19] <nagib>	*mediawiki 
[14:30:22] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:30:57] <nagib>	i setting up the mediawiki here.. and they asnwer me about "Copyright/license"
[14:31:02] <nagib>	No license metadata
[14:31:13] <nagib>	GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (Wikipedia-compatible)
[14:31:17] <nagib>	A Creative Commons license - choose
[14:31:32] <MinuteElectron>	Oh, just choose the first one.
[14:31:45] <nagib>	hmm... and i use without problem ?!??!
[14:31:50] <MinuteElectron>	yes
[14:33:51] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32740 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/api/ApiQuerySiteinfo.php): (bug 13603) Added siprop=usergroups to meta=siteinfo. Patch by Mormegil
[14:34:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Add a possibility to retrieve all defined user groups and their permissions via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13603  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[14:35:47] <nagib>	MinuteElectron: thanks!
[14:46:25] <CIA-44>	03yaron * r32741 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/ (INSTALL includes/DT_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.1.4
[14:54:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Show true message source in Special:Allmessages&ot=php / xml - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13431  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[14:54:42] <YazzY>	how cvan i add the adsense html code into Mediawiki:sidebar ?
[14:54:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[14:59:07] <BjornH>	!permissions
[14:59:07] --mwbot--	For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[15:07:48] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Multi-wiki, all-in-one watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13605 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (nathanlarson3141)
[15:10:08] <CIA-44>	03rainman * r32742 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: (log message trimmed)
[15:10:08] <CIA-44>	Suboptimal solution for one of the issues behind bug 12049 (i.e. that
[15:10:08] <CIA-44>	don't get deleted from search index) :
[15:10:08] <CIA-44>	* hooks ArticleDelete[Complete] are now called from FileDeleteForm as well,
[15:10:08] <CIA-44>	 this seems to be the expected behavior by most extensions (OAI, TitleKey,
[15:10:11] <CIA-44>	 Rsync, ...).
[15:10:13] <CIA-44>	* delete via API however still misses these hooks
[15:10:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10innocentkiller)
[15:12:22] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Multi-wiki, all-in-one watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13605  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:12:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki watchlists with option for public viewing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3525  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[15:12:54] <ialex>	hey Jack_Phoenix
[15:13:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	heya ialex :-)
[15:25:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Cross-wiki watchlists with option for public viewing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3525  +comment (10luxo)
[15:27:29] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32743 10/trunk/extensions/SkinPerNamespace/SkinPerNamespace.php: Fix comment
[15:43:51] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32744 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialBlockip.php: 
[15:43:51] <CIA-44>	* Use existent CSS classes for form labels und input fields
[15:43:51] <CIA-44>	* Fix tabindex sequence
[15:43:51] <CIA-44>	* Use XML functions consistently
[16:22:02] <seb_zemann>	Hi. I've just installed the newest mediawiki1.12.0. Now I try to change the URL from  http://www.foo.com/bar/wiki/index.php5?title=foobar to http://www.foo.com/bar/wiki/foobar. How can I change that?
[16:22:40] <Soxred93>	!shorturl
[16:22:40] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[16:22:44] <seb_zemann>	I changed the LocalSettings.php but without success
[16:25:38] <seb_zemann>	Yes, I already tried that out. But strange is, the /w/ folder does not exist
[16:30:44] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32745 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Fixed E_NOTICE when showing old items of delete/revision log, with those items, $paramArray is empty, so don't provide links as we don't know the revision id
[16:31:26] <seb_zemann>	it's already set to /bar/wiki, which is correct
[16:33:42] <seb_zemann>	please, anybody?
[16:35:02] <ialex>	seb_zemann: it's not a good idea to have the wiki directory and the virtual directory for url rewriting as the same place
[16:35:24] <seb_zemann>	ialex: Okay, and why not?
[16:36:03] <Harlin>	which versions of MySQL will 1.6.10 work with? I have version 4.1.20
[16:36:26] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you can have conflicts with existing sub-directories of MediaWiki install, like images or skins, wich need to be accessible by users web browsers
[16:36:54] <ialex>	Harlin: should work
[16:37:18] <seb_zemann>	ialex: So what did I wrong while the installation. I don't have a /w/ folder
[16:37:25] <Harlin>	i also have PHP version of 4.4.7 ialex 
[16:37:28] <seb_zemann>	while = during
[16:37:35] <Harlin>	ialex:  should be ok you think?
[16:37:39] <ialex>	Harlin: yes
[16:37:45] <Harlin>	ty sir ialex 
[16:38:10] <ialex>	seb_zemann: the configuration script does not create directories
[16:39:00] <ialex>	Harlin: if you want to have a url like /bar/w/MyFunkyArticle, you don't need to have a real /bar/w/ directory
[16:39:16] <Harlin>	ok
[16:39:17] <ialex>	just alias it
[16:39:20] <Harlin>	i figured n ot
[16:39:27] <Harlin>	probably smart urls and such :-)
[16:39:39] <seb_zemann>	ialex: that is so weird to me. If it does not creat directories, why do I have to change it. I don't want to change it, I just don't want the /index.php5= thing
[16:40:06] <ialex>	Harlin: oops the message was for seb_zemann
[16:40:17] <Harlin>	heh heh ialex  no problem :)
[16:40:24] <ialex>	:)
[16:41:36] <seb_zemann>	ialex: but I don't want an other directory. It's perfect where it is. Why do I have to change the directory? *confusing*
[16:44:33] <seb_zemann>	ialex: anyway. now I changed the $wgArticlePath = "/popomundo/w/$1"; (the real path is: $wgScriptPath       = "/popomundo/wiki";)
[16:44:35] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you don't have to create that directory, just use it as a virtual path that will be rewritten by the web server to the good url
[16:44:37] <seb_zemann>	I must be stupid
[16:45:04] <seb_zemann>	...but it didn't work
[16:45:28] <seb_zemann>	ialex: is it correct to leave this one: $wgScriptExtension  = ".php5";
[16:46:14] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you'll have to configure your web server so that urls from /popomundo/w/$1 are rewritten to popomundo/wiki/index.php5?title=$1
[16:47:44] <ialex>	seb_zemann: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/sub_directory/wiki/Page_Title_--_.htaccess
[16:48:46] <seb_zemann>	ialex: thx for the link. that seems to be better...
[16:50:32] <Kagee>	i'm writing a function for my monobook.js on wikipedia. is there any way to get an EditToken using javascript ?
[16:50:37] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32746 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/ (5 files): Add some throttles; Use the new LBFactory system; Allow the use of the servername as interwiki; And more.
[16:51:07] <Bryan>	Kagee: [[API]]
[16:57:03] <seb_zemann>	ialex: *gnarf* It still doesn't work. I must be so stupid...
[16:57:42] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you created a .htaccess file ?
[16:57:58] <seb_zemann>	ialex: yes. in the 'root' folder
[16:58:16] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you use apache ? :)
[16:58:26] <seb_zemann>	ialex: and changed the word 'music'
[16:59:21] <stuchman>	can anyone help me in trying to make a basic infobox?
[16:59:47] <ialex>	seb_zemann: can you paste your .htaccess file here : http://rafb.net/paste/ and send the link ?
[16:59:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multi-wiki, all-in-one watchlist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13605  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[17:00:06] <stuchman>	I have tried everything in the manual and faq and it just does not display
[17:00:44] <seb_zemann>	ialex: sure, but could we go in a privat 'room' (what is the correct name here in IRC?)
[17:01:01] <ialex>	seb_zemann: try to send me a private message
[17:01:16] <seb_zemann>	ialex: how does that work?
[17:01:22] <stuchman>	I would like to have it look just like the infobox on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mediterranean_Caper
[17:01:40] <seb_zemann>	ialex: I'm a IRC noob
[17:01:53] <ialex>	seb_zemann: enter /msg ialex something
[17:02:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10N/A)
[17:03:20] <seb_zemann>	ialex: private messages from unregistered users ar blocked... but here you go: http://rafb.net/p/niSLVY53.html
[17:04:53] <ialex>	seb_zemann: try to change the last line from ^wiki/(.*)$ to ^w/(.*)$
[17:07:17] <seb_zemann>	ialex: Hm, doesn't work. But check out my LocalSettings.php: http://rafb.net/p/y3GnQh86.html
[17:07:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Separate group for ipblock-exempt on en.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862  (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[17:08:34] <ialex>	seb_zemann: change the last line of your .htaccess to this : RewriteRule ^wiki/(.*)$ ./wiki/index.php5?title=$1 [PT,L,QSA]
[17:11:16] <seb_zemann>	ialex: still nothing. maybe this one is important Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in foobar/wiki/includes/Exception.php on line 182
[17:11:50] <seb_zemann>	when I enter my url without index.php5
[17:11:57] <RickZilla>	It's probably been asked before:  Can we embed YouTube stuff in MediaWiki by just copying and pasting the code, or is there more to it than that?
[17:11:59] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you kave PHP4 ?
[17:12:06] <ialex>	*have
[17:14:50] <seb_zemann>	ialex: no should support php4 and php5 (scroll down: http://hoststar.ch/de/hosting/starentry.html)
[17:15:57] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you have to use index.php5, newer versions of MediaWiki doesn't work on PHP4
[17:16:30] <ialex>	if .php is used as a PHP4 file
[17:17:57] <RickZilla>	Guess not...just tried it
[17:18:36] <skiidoo>	RickZilla: IIRC, the youTube code use <object> which is not allowed in MediaWiki by default.
[17:19:02] <RickZilla>	skiidoo:  Any way around that?
[17:19:10] <skiidoo>	I think I've seen an extension about YouTube. You could allow the <object> tag in your pages but that opens a door to malicious objects to be inserted.
[17:19:29] <MinuteElectron>	How can I get rid of all references to "Beauraucrat" (or however it is spelt) from my wiki, I did $wgGroupPermissions = array(); and removed it from all users; but it is still listed in the user rights list?
[17:20:25] <RickZilla>	skiidoo:  Looks like I'll need to do some research on it.  Thanks for the info.
[17:20:30] <G_SabinoMullane>	MinuteElectron: Delete rows from user_groups table
[17:20:40] <seb_zemann>	ialex: Ehr, but without $wgArticlePath = "$wgScriptPath/$1"; it seems to work, as far as I can say:  http://www.salo.ch/popomundo/wiki/index.php5/Hauptseite (but still the strange index.php5 is ther but now as a "directory")
[17:20:43] *G_SabinoMullane 	hates having to spell that too
[17:21:02] <MinuteElectron>	G_SabinoMullane: I did, checked it - I've only got rows for sysop.
[17:21:18] <skiidoo>	RickZilla: My guess is you will find your way by searching for 'youtube' in www.mediawiki.org (easy hint, isn't it)
[17:21:40] <RickZilla>	Yep, working on it now  :-)
[17:21:56] <MinuteElectron>	G_SabinoMullane: It's probably hard coded somwhere knowing MediaWiki.
[17:21:59] <MinuteElectron>	I'll poke about it.
[17:23:17] <MinuteElectron>	hmm, not obviously...
[17:23:53] <ialex>	MinuteElectron: it shouldn't be hardcoded
[17:23:57] <RickZilla>	Another question:  Is there special code for opening outside links in a new window?
[17:24:12] <RickZilla>	Other than the regular target="_blank" html code, of course
[17:24:20] <MinuteElectron>	ialex: I know, but it must be...
[17:24:21] <flyingparchment>	fortunately not
[17:24:51] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you modified your .htaccess file ?
[17:25:55] <seb_zemann>	ialex: As you told: http://rafb.net/p/niSLVY53.html
[17:27:26] <G_SabinoMullane>	MinuteElectron: In your cache?
[17:28:43] <MinuteElectron>	G_SabinoMullane: Which cache?
[17:29:11] <ialex>	seb_zemann: try this one http://rafb.net/p/eEot0C76.html
[17:29:39] <G_SabinoMullane>	MinuteElectron: You could truncate querycache and objectcache tables as a quick check.
[17:30:01] <MinuteElectron>	ok, will do
[17:30:37] <RickZilla>	@flyingparchment:  Was that "fortunately not" meant for me?
[17:30:41] <flyingparchment>	yes
[17:30:47] <RickZilla>	hmmm...ok
[17:31:13] <RickZilla>	is it bad manners to open up links in a new window/tab?
[17:31:19] <MinuteElectron>	G_SabinoMullane: Nope, doesn't help.
[17:31:30] <flyingparchment>	most people find it annoying.  they prefer to choose themselves whether to open in a new window or the existing one
[17:31:53] <flyingparchment>	the main argument for doing it is 'it improves my site's traffic by making sure people don't navigate away'
[17:31:53] <RickZilla>	Point taken
[17:32:02] <G_SabinoMullane>	MinuteElectron: Pretty darn sure it simply pulls the list from the user_rights table. So other than that, I dunno.
[17:32:36] <MinuteElectron>	Thanks anyway.
[17:32:40] <RickZilla>	That was the thinking back when I first learned html...that may have changed though
[17:32:49] <RickZilla>	I'm getting old and set in my ways, I guess :-)
[17:33:53] <seb_zemann>	ialex: still the same, with this LocalSettings.php: http://rafb.net/p/y3GnQh86.html
[17:35:06] <ialex>	seb_zemann: seems to be a problem with the server
[17:35:28] <seb_zemann>	ialex: really... okay. thank you very much for helping me
[17:35:31] <ialex>	seb_zemann: but i don't know how to solve
[17:46:29] <MadFrenchie>	Hey, does anyone know of an extention that allows you to *Poll* your users, and either have the results e-mailed to you or saved on a page somewhere?
[17:46:43] <MadFrenchie>	Ive already searched the entire media wiki extentions on the site and found nothing 
[17:47:52] <G_SabinoMullane>	Closest thing is probably the Vote extension.
[17:48:15] <RickZilla>	MadFrenchie:  Plenty for WordPress blogs, etc....but I've never seen that for a wiki, it would be interesting to learn what you find out, though
[17:50:25] <MinuteElectron>	Is there any way I can get a list of all URLs on a wiki via the API? I am using the exturlusage list, but that forces me to use a euquery - which I don't want and can't find a query that lists all links?
[17:51:04] <MadFrenchie>	ok.. with the Vote extension.. where does it save the results?
[17:52:32] <MadFrenchie>	and do you have a link to where i can get the vote extention?
[17:52:34] <MadFrenchie>	Thank You
[17:54:01] <AzaTht>	brion: [19:53:26] * Rjd0060 still thinks Brion needs to work on [[Special:Killuser]]
[17:54:20] <Jack_Phoenix>	:D
[17:54:26] <Jack_Phoenix>	that's a core feature we need ;-)
[17:56:39] <robla>	what sort of session hijacking defenses are there in Mediawiki?  we're thinking about turning off SSL for everything other than logins, and I'd like to get a sense of the risk
[17:58:05] <stuchman>	I am new to this and I need help with infobox displaying properly on a page
[17:58:18] <stuchman>	can anyone help?
[17:58:40] <robla>	stuchman: what are you trying to do?
[17:59:13] <G_SabinoMullane>	MadFrenchie: It's in svn, stores results in the db.
[17:59:21] <AzaTht>	!infobox | stuchman 
[17:59:21] --mwbot--	stuchman: I don't know anything about "infobox".
[17:59:23] <brion>	robla: if you can snag a session cookie, you could probably take over the account
[17:59:25] <AzaTht>	gah
[18:00:06] <stuchman>	I am trying to add an infobox to pages I am constructing in mediawiki, similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Book
[18:00:53] <stuchman>	I just can't get the thing to display
[18:00:55] <AzaTht>	stuchman: copy paste
[18:01:11] <stuchman>	been there, done that, nothing happens
[18:01:13] <AzaTht>	stuchman: have you enabled parser functions?
[18:01:29] <stuchman>	probably not, new to this
[18:01:44] <stuchman>	where would I find it to enable?
[18:01:50] <AzaTht>	!parserfunctions
[18:01:50] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function>. For details about the extension, see <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions>.
[18:02:38] <stuchman>	where do I go to download and install?
[18:03:00] <AzaTht>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions
[18:03:12] <AzaTht>	hmm
[18:03:49] <AzaTht>	stuchman: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions
[18:03:56] <robla>	brion: hrm.....guess I shouldn't go there, then.  you'd think session hijacks would be a monsterous problem for Wikipedia based on that.  are they?
[18:04:22] <Simetrical>	robla, MITM is not easy to carry out for arbitrary targets.
[18:04:37] <Simetrical>	I've never heard of a confirmed case of one occurring on Wikipedia.
[18:04:45] <Simetrical>	At least, not maliciously.
[18:05:17] <robla>	Simetrical: seems pretty easy on public wifi at least
[18:05:20] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: I have had sessions alive for WP on an unused computer alive for months
[18:05:26] <stuchman>	thank you, I think I can muck my way through this, much appreciated
[18:05:32] <Simetrical>	On wi-fi, in principle, yes, but only if you have physical access.
[18:05:33] <AzaTht>	np
[18:05:42] <Simetrical>	In that case you may be able to steal the computer in any case.
[18:06:07] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: sometimes I wonder if the sessions gets invalid ever
[18:06:13] <Simetrical>	Besides, isn't Wi-Fi usually encrypted?
[18:06:22] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: depends
[18:06:30] <robla>	nope
[18:06:32] <AzaTht>	public wifi might not be
[18:06:51] <AzaTht>	but most are encrypted
[18:07:54] <robla>	wifi traffic isn't generally encrypted, is it?  the access part often is (WEP or WPA), but then it's generally in the clear unless you're using a VPN of some sort
[18:08:28] <Simetrical>	Well, in any case it's not an easy attack vector to pull off except in specialized circumstances (e.g., intranetwork work in an office with a shared LAN).
[18:08:33] <AzaTht>	ah, I though you meant the access part
[18:08:44] <robla>	I'm assuming that all computers using a particular AP are generally all one big happy network segment
[18:11:25] <brion>	robla: anybody still using the mediawiki-enterprise list?
[18:11:52] <robla>	brion: I've not checked it in a while
[18:11:53] *robla 	looks
[18:12:04] <brion>	i just cleared out a few hundred spams in mod queue :)
[18:12:30] <brion>	doesn't seem terribly active
[18:12:39] <brion>	i'm trying to go through and close out some of these old inactive lists :)
[18:12:47] <brion>	maybe encourage people to push things back to the wiki or something
[18:13:33] <robla>	it seems that it's become the defacto LDAP auth support list
[18:13:38] <brion>	heh
[18:15:00] *robla 	sheepishly observes how gung ho he was to create the list right before he ended up taking a largely non-MediaWIki job
[18:15:20] *robla 	had no idea things were going to play out that way, though
[18:15:43] <brion>	:D
[18:16:42] <davidmccabe>	In monobook, the search input field is display:block for some reason even when the most specific rule states it should be display:inline.
[18:16:44] <davidmccabe>	Any idea why that is?
[18:16:52] <Harlin>	what is the default admin/password for mediawiki on new install?
[18:17:02] <flyingparchment>	Harlin: the ones you entered when installing it
[18:17:18] <Harlin>	hmm theyre not working
[18:17:30] <MinuteElectron>	How to get a full list of URLs in a wiki using the API?
[18:17:30] *davidmccabe 	social engineering?
[18:17:33] <brion>	davidmccabe: the actual <input>? i don't see anything offhand
[18:17:34] <Harlin>	are they shown in LocalSettings? flyingparchment 
[18:17:39] <flyingparchment>	no
[18:17:41] <davidmccabe>	brion: hi. the actual input.
[18:17:44] <flyingparchment>	user accounts are stored in the database
[18:17:45] <VonSchmut>	How would I add pages under a select namespace to the count on Special:Longpages?
[18:17:50] <flyingparchment>	and the password is encrypted
[18:18:00] <davidmccabe>	brion: web inspector is showing that the top style says display:inline, but the computed style is display:block. weird huh?
[18:18:12] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, do you know what field, table they'd be in the db?
[18:18:16] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, at least the username
[18:18:20] <flyingparchment>	Harlin: user
[18:18:27] <brion>	davidmccabe: i don't see anything unusual in firebug
[18:19:08] <Harlin>	flyingparchment,  hmm there is no table called user
[18:19:17] <flyingparchment>	then you specified a table prefix during the install
[18:20:07] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, interesting i found it but it does not work for some reason
[18:20:19] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, i have Wikiadmin but password evidently does not work
[18:20:28] <flyingparchment>	then you typed is wrong
[18:20:36] <flyingparchment>	drop the database and reinstall
[18:20:38] <brion>	davidmccabe: shows display: inline for computed style to me
[18:20:50] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, ok
[18:21:09] <flyingparchment>	or you could set an email address and mail yourself a new password
[18:22:01] <VonSchmut>	How would I add pages under a custom namespace to the count on Special:Longpages? Like, Foo: ?
[18:23:15] <davidmccabe>	brion: here in firebug it shows display:inline yet still acts like a block. (I want the input and buttons on one line)
[18:23:50] <davidmccabe>	oh, I know why.
[18:24:47] <brion>	well, it has an explicit width of 10.9em
[18:24:48] <davidmccabe>	it's because of the portlet width. duh.
[18:24:50] <brion>	which is a bit odd :)
[18:24:53] <brion>	but yeah
[18:25:04] <davidmccabe>	I had positioned it to look like it's outside of the sidebar, you see.
[18:25:07] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, hey it's still not working
[18:25:16] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, i redid it and it's still not working
[18:25:28] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, the password is not wrong
[18:25:51] <Harlin>	flyingparchment, are there any settings i need to make with mysql or mediawiki->mysql ?
[18:27:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide support in Special:Contributions to show only "current" contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4597  (10random832)
[18:31:17] *VonSchmut 	testing, testing; does no one see me?
[18:31:38] <CIA-44>	03rotem * r32748 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesHe.php: Fixes.
[18:32:34] <brion>	VonSchmut: just ask your question :)
[18:32:53] <VonSchmut>	I did. I'll ask again. How would I add pages under a custom namespace (Foo: ) to the list of Special:Longpages?
[18:33:42] <brion>	VonSchmut: in theory, add the NS to the list of content namespaces
[18:33:53] <brion>	however i'm not sure offhand if that particular query page has been updated to use that list
[18:33:59] <brion>	so you might just have to hack it
[18:34:10] <VonSchmut>	ugh
[18:38:14] <VonSchmut>	what does SpecialLongpages.php call to create the list?
[18:42:17] <VonSchmut>	or, what function does it use to sort pages by size?
[18:43:34] <Bryan>	VonSchmut, brion: it's hardcoded
[18:43:55] <Bryan>	line 41 in SpecialShortPages.php
[18:48:48] <VonSchmut>	Is it possible to add a page_namespace to WHERE page_namespace=".NS_MAIN." AND page_is_redirect=0" ?
[18:50:13] <brion>	VonSchmut: sure, just change the query
[18:50:34] <VonSchmut>	Or, I mean, sure, I can add it, just wonder if that'll do the trick
[18:54:29] <brion>	should work :)
[18:54:37] <brion>	but....
[18:54:41] <brion>	mebbe not, not sure
[18:54:46] <brion>	try it and see, eh?
[19:07:57] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "File links" on the image pages should list links from other wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1394  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:08:11] <Bryan>	yeah :)
[19:15:41] <Yaco>	hello
[19:15:56] <Yaco>	how can i determine which version of mediawiki is a site running?
[19:16:35] <Raymond_>	Yaco: Special:Version
[19:16:48] <Yaco>	thaks Raymond_ 
[19:18:15] <david__>	how do I change the password of a user?
[19:18:39] <david__>	I don't see any page under 'special pages' that does this
[19:18:49] <david__>	only the change groups page
[19:20:31] <Bryan>	brion: when you have time, could you look at bug 1394
[19:20:42] <Bryan>	and particularly my solution  :)
[19:23:46] <brion>	globalusage? i'll peek again when i have some time :)
[19:24:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide support in Special:Contributions to show only "current" contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4597  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[19:24:20] <Bryan>	ok :)
[19:48:42] <Bryan>	RoanKattouw not here?
[19:56:58] <blue_asterisk>	can I define a usergroup that can administer wiki user rights?
[19:58:45] <blue_asterisk>	I don't want to have certain users be in the Bureaucrats usergroup, but I want them to have user rights management
[20:01:26] <Pathoschild>	!userrights | blue_asterisk 
[20:01:26] --mwbot--	blue_asterisk: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[20:01:37] <Pathoschild>	:)
[20:02:08] <derwin>	but..
[20:02:13] <derwin>	I'm pretty sure he doesn't want that page?
[20:02:22] <derwin>	like.. he already knows how to modify group rights
[20:02:25] <blue_asterisk>	I'm actually already reading the page, but I don't see where I can define a group that can manage user rights
[20:02:32] <derwin>	he has a specific question about the granularity of the rights
[20:02:37] <derwin>	which is why I didn't just type !access myself
[20:03:18] <blue_asterisk>	ah
[20:03:30] <Pathoschild>	The page does explain it briefly, but more details about what he wants to do are in < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights_management >. That's linked from See-also, but it really should be merged into the page.
[20:03:37] <blue_asterisk>	userrights
[20:04:05] <blue_asterisk>	"userrights" is propery I need to assign
[20:04:10] <Pathoschild>	Yep.
[20:04:22] *blue_asterisk 	hits himself on the head
[20:04:45] <Pathoschild>	The second page I linked to is if you want to change what rights they can set.
[20:04:50] <Pathoschild>	And unset.
[20:05:01] <blue_asterisk>	what are the default permissions of Sysops?
[20:05:19] <Pathoschild>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights#Default_rights
[20:05:56] <blue_asterisk>	ok, documentation is hard to find sometimes
[20:05:57] <blue_asterisk>	sorry
[20:06:07] <blue_asterisk>	I usually do my homework first
[20:06:08] <Pathoschild>	The way it works is, every right set to true for '*' apply to 'sysop' unless set to false for either 'user' or 'sysop', and similarly any set to true for 'user' apply to 'sysop' unless set to false for 'sysop'.
[20:06:21] <Pathoschild>	Since every sysop is necessarily a user and part of '*'.
[20:06:39] <blue_asterisk>	Sysops can't manage user rights by default though
[20:06:43] <Pathoschild>	Nope.
[20:06:51] <blue_asterisk>	I need it :)
[20:07:05] <Pathoschild>	It's easy to set. :)
[20:07:11] <blue_asterisk>	are usergroup names case sensitive?
[20:07:29] <Pathoschild>	Good question. Probably.
[20:07:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Allow deletion of images via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13606 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (Bryan.TongMinh)
[20:09:12] <Pathoschild>	Can {{urlencode:}} encode spaces as the standard %20 instead of +?
[20:10:06] *Pathoschild 	wonders if it would be difficult to add a "raw" parameter to do that, as with the number words: {{urlencode:foo bar|R}}.
[20:10:12] <Pathoschild>	or {{rawurlencode}}...
[20:10:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow deletion of images via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13606  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[20:16:05] <Bryan>	Pathoschild: actually we may want to allow arbitrary encoding of spaces
[20:16:13] <Bryan>	you might want to use _
[20:16:57] <Pathoschild>	Not necessarily; %20 is the standard that should be recognized even on sites with prettified encoding. For example, MediaWiki accepts both %20 and _ (and +).
[20:17:18] <Pathoschild>	So sites using _ should still recognize %20.
[20:30:06] <timetrek>	hey, i am trying to skin my wiki, to remove the sidebar, although i removed all the content, the body is still shifted to the right, which css should i change?
[20:30:14] <timetrek>	thx
[20:36:40] <Pathoschild>	timetrek: #column-content, maybe?
[20:36:59] <Pathoschild>	Look in the CSS file, and see whether it's explicitly positioned.
[20:39:27] <HumbertHumbert>	Seriously. You MUST make the redirections actually redirect. I can't begin to count the number of times I have to manually edit the URL when pasting it somewhere else. Or, if this is out of the question, AT LEAST link to the proper article in the title or something. (I am talking about how there is no actual HTTP redirect when it "redirects" internally, leaving the URL ugly.)
[20:40:23] <timetrek>	@pahoschild i tried and i dont think it is
[20:40:53] <timetrek>	the problem i see is that i dont understand which css rule governs the content
[20:40:59] <timetrek>	as there is no class
[20:41:09] <timetrek>	next to the div which prints the text
[20:41:34] <derwin>	HumbertHumbert: um.. ?
[20:41:39] <derwin>	HumbertHumbert: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cambridge_University
[20:41:54] <derwin>	University of Cambridge
[20:41:54] <derwin>	From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
[20:41:55] <derwin>	  (Redirected from Cambridge University)
[20:42:06] <derwin>	sure seems to redirect me to the actual page..
[20:42:32] <HumbertHumbert>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_dash#Em_dash
[20:42:49] <VonSchmut>	brion: I was in the zone... now I'm no longer in the zone. (Caffeine buzz wore off.)  Which query was that?
[20:43:59] *VonSchmut 	wonders what it's like to edit mediawiki while drunk
[20:44:37] <Dashiva>	Just read uncyclopedia and you'll find out :)
[20:45:14] <VonSchmut>	Dashiva: Spot on. :)
[20:46:24] <VonSchmut>	Okay, back to my original? since I have no clue... How would I add pages under a custom namespace (Foo: ) to the list of Special:Longpages?
[20:46:57] <VonSchmut>	Haven't figured out how to hack it yet
[20:57:22] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32749 10/branches/ApiEdit_Vodafone/ (192 files in 9 dirs): WARNING HUGE COMMIT: ApiEdit_Vodafone: Merging latest revisions from trunk
[20:58:45] <MinuteElectron>	heh
[21:00:42] <CIA-44>	03ialex * r32750 10/trunk/extensions/Interwiki/ (3 files): (log message trimmed)
[21:00:43] <CIA-44>	Rewriting Interwiki extension:
[21:00:43] <CIA-44>	* Moved SpecialInterwiki class to SpecialInterwiki_body.php, load it only when needed
[21:00:43] <CIA-44>	* Use $wgSpecialPages to register the page, doesn't need to create an instance at each run of the wiki
[21:00:44] <CIA-44>	* Rewritten urls, use action parameter instead of do
[21:00:46] <CIA-44>	* Added action=edit, allow to modifiy a prefix without needing to delete and recreate it
[21:00:48] <CIA-44>	* Killed hooks to register the new log, use directly $wgLog* variables
[21:03:32] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32751 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBr.php MessagesSv.php): 
[21:03:32] <CIA-44>	Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki
[21:03:32] <CIA-44>	* magic updates
[21:10:39] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32752 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_allpages.js: missing js var check
[21:13:10] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32753 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_allpages.js: missing js var check
[21:14:25] *VonSchmut 	has not joined #mediawiki
[21:17:08] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) dsb.wikipedia.org wishes to use Image:Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13607 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (d.j.batley)
[21:25:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) dsb.wikipedia.org wishes to use Image:Wiki.png - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13607  -easy +shell (10raimond.spekking)
[21:40:57] <VonSchmut>	What exactly is an "expensive" query?
[21:41:22] <flyingparchment>	one that runs longer than 4.3895 seconds
[21:41:30] <flyingparchment>	(actually, it depends on what you consider to be expensive.)
[21:42:29] <VonSchmut>	ah
[21:45:04] <Duesentrieb>	in the context of special pages, i suppose it means "somethign you don't want to rerun every time someone looks at this page"...
[21:51:46] <timetrek>	hey, i am trying to skin my wiki, to remove the sidebar, although i removed all the content, the body is still shifted to the right, which css should i change? thx
[22:23:27] <XDuxaX>	Hello everyone... i keep getting this error in system logs and apache crashes once in a while.. anyone know how to fix it? "Faulting application apache.exe, version 2.2.6.0, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.2180, fault address 0x00010de3.
[22:25:32] <derwin>	hrm, is this #apacheonwindows?
[22:27:59] <XDuxaX>	are you asking me?
[22:28:07] <XDuxaX>	im running it via XAMPP
[22:28:21] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: but why are you asking here?
[22:28:36] <Duesentrieb>	we are not #xampp either
[22:28:41] <XDuxaX>	Because im not sure if its related to mediawiki or not
[22:28:48] <XDuxaX>	since thats what Im using it for (to run mediawiki)
[22:29:14] <XDuxaX>	and maybe mediawiki has conflicts with it or something (maybe someone encountered this problem before)
[22:29:26] <Duesentrieb>	ok, that's a reason to be here, but a btter place to ask would be a channel about apache or xampp
[22:29:49] <Duesentrieb>	"conflicts" on that lever are rather unlikely.  
[22:30:09] <XDuxaX>	k
[22:30:16] <Duesentrieb>	a php script should nto be able to crash apache, no matter what it does. if this happens, it's a bug in apache or in an apache module.
[22:30:17] <XDuxaX>	could you tell me how to join an apache or xampp channel?
[22:30:28] <dkbg>	is there some way to access a feed of a user's contributions?
[22:30:40] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: /join #apache
[22:30:48] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: /join #xampp
[22:31:00] <Duesentrieb>	dkbg: no. that is considered private info.
[22:31:04] <XDuxaX>	thx
[22:31:12] <derwin>	;)
[22:31:25] <Duesentrieb>	dkbg: err. wait. you said contribs. i was thinking watchlist.
[22:31:43] <dkbg>	yeah, contribs are public
[22:31:57] <Duesentrieb>	contribs are not private, but i donÄt think Special:Contributions has feed support.
[22:32:09] <dkbg>	I didn't think so
[22:32:11] <dkbg>	damn
[22:32:21] <dkbg>	seems like it really should
[22:43:06] <XDuxaX>	Another quick question... is there any way to automate backups of my Wiki? like so that it backs up everything say.. once a week?
[22:43:22] <k4jcw>	Windows or Linux?
[22:43:44] <Duesentrieb>	well, either way, the answer is: "yes".
[22:43:57] <k4jcw>	It's a lot easier under Linux.
[22:44:02] <k4jcw>	At least IMHO.
[22:44:21] <Duesentrieb>	i have no clue how to do it under win :)
[22:44:29] <k4jcw>	Me neither.
[22:44:42] <Duesentrieb>	theough i nkow it has "scheduled tasks". and you can write batch files. so... 
[22:44:43] <k4jcw>	But as you said, the answer is "yes" to both.
[22:45:11] <XDuxaX>	I run it on WinXP SP2
[22:45:26] <Duesentrieb>	but why run a webserver on windows in the firstz place? is there a good reason?
[22:45:34] <k4jcw>	Oh.   You're boned, then.
[22:46:04] <XDuxaX>	It was easier to setup at the time and it gets the job done =/
[22:46:05] <XDuxaX>	lol
[22:46:15] <k4jcw>	IIS?
[22:46:31] <XDuxaX>	ya
[22:46:49] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: it tends to get the job done until you need anything but the very basics. then clippy gets in the way.
[22:47:02] <XDuxaX>	clippy?
[22:47:09] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: uh? IIS? your original question as about apache...
[22:47:24] <k4jcw>	*tap* *tap* *tap* "I see you're trying to serve web pages.  Do you want help?"
[22:47:25] <Duesentrieb>	clippy. the damn paper clip. silly joke, never mind.
[22:47:37] <XDuxaX>	lol
[22:47:56] <XDuxaX>	Well it was set up in november.. i dont remember exactly.. its just a wiki page for my company.. very simplistic
[22:48:02] <XDuxaX>	i can check if it has ISS or not
[22:48:10] <XDuxaX>	i know i was tinkering with it when i was setting it up though
[22:48:24] <k4jcw>	You're either running IIS or your not.
[22:48:33] <XDuxaX>	ya i know.. ill check one sec
[22:48:34] <k4jcw>	I'm pretty sure you'd have to know that to get it running at all.
[22:48:57] <Duesentrieb>	[00:23] <XDuxaX> Hello everyone... i keep getting this error in system logs and apache crashes once in a while.. anyone know how to fix it? "Faulting application apache.exe, version 2.2.6.0, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.2180, fault address 0x00010de3.
[22:49:04] <Duesentrieb>	tjhat reads "no ISS" to me.
[22:49:24] <k4jcw>	Dude... That was like 15 lines ago.  I can't read that far back!
[22:49:24] <XDuxaX>	yea ISS is unchecked in Windows Componenets
[22:49:25] <XDuxaX>	so no
[22:49:42] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) API query returns two <page> elements - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13596  +comment (10aaron)
[22:49:42] <XDuxaX>	i use the Xampp lite package
[22:49:48] <XDuxaX>	which is mysql/apache
[22:50:26] <Duesentrieb>	XDuxaX: if you want automated backups, read about scheduled tasks on windows, writing batch files, making zip files (or simmilar) from the command line, and using mysqldump from the command line. 
[22:50:34] <Duesentrieb>	then write a batch for that and schedule it.
[22:51:00] <XDuxaX>	k thx
[22:51:36] <Duesentrieb>	(on linux you would just take my backup script and drop it into cron)
[22:52:00] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) ability to have member categories as well as subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13590  +comment (10brion)
[22:53:28] <Skalman12>	hi. I was wondering if anybody knows why the MediaWiki prefix for variables generally are "wg" (I think I've seen "wf" too)
[22:54:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599  (10brion)
[22:55:01] <Werdna>	Skalman12: wiki global, wiki function
[22:56:18] <Skalman12>	Werdna: ah - thanks! I've been wondering for a while
[22:56:46] <fzort>	I'm having an issue getting the permissions correct on a copy of mediawiki i just installed. I looked at the faq, and it doesn't seem to address the configuration of apache, which I'm doing by hand.
[22:57:08] <fzort>	Can somebody show me the relevant apache configs or point me at them? It's hard to google for "mediawiki" and "apache" because there are so many sites running both.
[22:59:00] <fzort>	at any rate, the issue is a 403 getting to any of the index files or the config file. they're owned by apache, and index.php and index.php5 are listed as index pages in the apache config.
[23:01:32] <CIA-44>	03rainman * r32754 10/trunk/mwdumper/libs/ (xerces-2_9_0-utf8reader.patch xercesImpl.jar xml-apis.jar): 
[23:01:32] <CIA-44>	Patched xerced 2.9.0 (the pedantical-correct version):
[23:01:32] <CIA-44>	* avoid writing outside the buffer when additional utf-8 bytes are read
[23:01:32] <CIA-44>	 and two java chars are produced
[23:01:32] <CIA-44>	from https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XERCESJ-1257
[23:01:41] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SMW 1.0.1 does not work with MW 1.12 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13608 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic MediaWiki; (TwoTailedFox)
[23:05:38] <XDuxaX>	So
[23:05:50] <XDuxaX>	If i want to move my wiki to another machine
[23:05:55] <XDuxaX>	what do I need to have backed up?
[23:08:07] <Duesentrieb>	!backup | XDuxaX
[23:08:07] --mwbot--	XDuxaX: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki
[23:08:12] <Duesentrieb>	!moving | XDuxaX
[23:08:12] --mwbot--	XDuxaX: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki
[23:13:48] <robla>	I'm thinking about writing a simple plugin that forces to http for anonymous users (except the login page) and https for logged in users
[23:14:28] <robla>	what's the most appropriate hook to use for doing the check+redirect?
[23:15:11] <robla>	I'd like to find a hook that's called early, but still has access to $wgUser->isAnon()
[23:15:29] <robla>	...and is only called once per page render
[23:16:02] <MinuteElectron>	Have you had a look on the hook list yet?
[23:16:23] <robla>	yeah....nothing jumped out at me there
[23:16:47] <MinuteElectron>	hmm
[23:17:01] <Duesentrieb>	how about wgExtensionFunction?
[23:17:05] <Duesentrieb>	is that too early?
[23:17:12] *robla 	looks
[23:17:27] <robla>	I think I might have figured it out on second look:  GetFullURL
[23:17:44] <MinuteElectron>	Yes,  I was just examining that.
[23:18:07] *robla 	isn't sure he'l have access to the user object there....still looking
[23:19:23] <MinuteElectron>	Hmm, a large ammount of the code would have had to have been loaded before the user object is available; in which case lots of authentication data would have already been transgered reducing the benefits of https?
[23:20:42] <Duesentrieb>	well, if the system can know that use uer is logged in, but he is not using https, then the shit has already hit the fan
[23:20:43] <robla>	well, I'm actually less interested in forcing logged in users to https than I am in forcing anonymous users to http
[23:20:52] <Duesentrieb>	you have transferred a session cookie unprotected
[23:20:56] <robla>	Duesentrieb: exactly
[23:21:19] <Duesentrieb>	you'd need to invalidate the session, redirect to https, and set up a new one.
[23:21:42] <robla>	we've got performance issues on our wiki, and I'm trying to get a lot of the superflous https traffic down
[23:22:05] <MinuteElectron>	oh, I suppose that is easier then.
[23:22:25] <MinuteElectron>	You can cause a redirect at virtually any point in the code, providing stuff hasn't been output.
[23:22:47] <MinuteElectron>	If you want $wgOut to do a header redirect it will no matter where you specify it.
[23:23:13] <MinuteElectron>	Due to the way OuputPage buffers content rather than outputting it as added.
[23:24:11] <MinuteElectron>	However no matter where you specify the redirection the entire thing would have to be loaded unless you do a manual header() then die, so the BeforePageDisplay hook would probably be reasonable.
[23:25:11] <robla>	cool, thanks.  I'll tinker around
[23:27:33] <MinuteElectron>	Of course there's probably a hook higher up that would have access to the user object, so if you want to don't want to consume the small ammount of power that would be needed to complete the rest of the code path you could find somewhere to trigger a header redirect and die();
[23:29:03] <MinuteElectron>	userCan might be good for that, I know that it is called very high up in the code path.
[23:29:33] <MinuteElectron>	Yeah,
[23:29:52] <robla>	I looked at userCan, but it gets called a lot
[23:30:40] <MinuteElectron>	true, but if you're just header();die; -ing then it doesn't matter. If you're doing it the "neat" way then it doesn't matter what hook you use as long as it is called on ever hit.
[23:31:05] <MinuteElectron>	*every
[23:33:36] <MinuteElectron>	goodnight guys
[23:33:52] <XDuxaX>	So. how does one go about updating mediawiki and keeping all of hteir pages/files ?
[23:35:14] <derwin>	!upgrading
[23:35:14] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[23:36:39] <Dharma>	Hi. Litle help? I've edited my 'Newarticle message' page to include a section which shows wiki markup that I'd like user to be able to copy/paste.  I've used the <pre> tag, and it works fine when I'm logged in, but when I log out and view the page, it executes the wiki markup, altering the layout of that section. And ideas why?
[23:37:02] <Dharma>	*any ideas why
[23:40:12] <Dharma>	Anyone? The real problem is that it works fine, so long as I'm logged in. But not for other users.
[23:48:41] <Skizzerz>	Dharma: try <pre><nowiki>? that's a strange bug though
[23:50:22] <Dharma>	tried both, with multiple combinations of each. Come to think of it, I think something might be missing from the Wordpress skin, which I'm using. Got me thinking, thanks!
[23:55:44] <Dharma>	It happens with monobook, too. I'll keep trying.
[23:59:41] <Dharma>	Oh well, it'll wait. Thanks again Skizzerz