[00:12:01] <CIA-44>	03rainman * r32755 10/trunk/mwdumper/libs/xercesImpl.jar: xercesImpl compiled for java 1.4, so people with older java can also use it.
[00:37:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Bot adding bpy: =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A6=B8=E0=A6=BE=E0=A6=95=E0=A6=B0=E0=A6=BE=E0=A6=AE=E0=A7=87?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A6=A8=E0=A6=9F=E0=A7=8B=20to=20Sacramen?= =?UTF-8?Q?to=20page?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13609 trivial; normal; MediaWiki: Database; ()
[00:42:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API query returns two <page> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13596  (10aaron)
[00:43:15] <brick_ijigg>	^^ "'this condition' is one that is pretty much impossible." hah!
[00:46:37] <timma11>	good day
[00:49:45] <timma11>	i am looking for help with creating the category  navigation link please
[00:54:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please make a global Titleblacklist like Spamblacklist on Meta - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12484  (10brovvnout+wikibugzilla)
[00:55:24] <tale>	timma11: It is not already in toolbox?
[00:55:51] <timma11>	no it isnt. and i have been all over the help files
[00:57:19] <tale>	In MediaWiki 1.11 and 1.12 at least toolbox has Special pages where a link for Categories is by default.
[00:58:42] <timma11>	well that explains alot! i am running 1.9 something
[01:07:54] <Dharma>	Back again. Is it possible to disable page/article creation by anonymous users, while still allowing them to edit existing pages?
[01:08:11] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Bot adding bpy: =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A6=B8=E0=A6=BE=E0=A6=95=E0=A6=B0=E0=A6=BE=E0=A6=AE=E0=A7=87?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A6=A8=E0=A6=9F=E0=A7=8B=20to=20Sacramen?= =?UTF-8?Q?to=20page?= - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13609  +comment (10pathoschild)
[01:10:01] <tale_>	timma11: MediaWiki 1.7 has that Special:Categories page.
[01:13:09] <Dharma>	Anyone? Is it possible to disable page/article creation by anon users, while still allowing page edits by anonymous?
[01:13:33] <tale_>	Dharma: Yes, using Extension:EditSubpages
[01:14:07] <Dharma>	tale_: great, thanks a lot
[01:15:08] <timma11>	i just d/l'd 1.12
[01:15:16] <timma11>	now i will try to upgrade
[01:15:22] <timma11>	any advice?
[01:15:44] <tale_>	timma11: Perhaps I am confused about what the real problem is.
[01:16:18] <tale_>	timma11: Could you restate what you want to do and what you expect to see on that page?
[01:20:02] <timma11>	i want to create a page that holds all catagories with sub(?) catagories to click on
[01:20:11] <timma11>	kind of like a chapter in a book
[01:20:28] <Skizzerz>	Dharma: actually, that can be done via $wgGroupPermissions
[01:20:32] <Skizzerz>	the extension isn't necessary
[01:22:08] <timma11>	brb, firefox crashed.
[01:22:23] <tale>	timma11: Then MW 1.12 is irrelevant, as far as I can see. You can do the same with the MV 1.9 you already have.
[01:22:25] <Dharma>	Skizzerz: thanks again, the extension seemed to need pages to be unlocked individually, so I'll take a look
[01:23:09] *Skizzerz 	knows what it does -- he wrote it :D
[01:23:23] <Skizzerz>	anyway, what's that quip...
[01:23:27] <Skizzerz>	@search access
[01:23:27] --mwbot--	Results: [access, api, cms, imagelink, lockdown, oversight, phpshell, preventaccess, preventingaccess, rewriteproblems, rights, scap, secrets, selinux, session, shell, toolserver, userrights, version, wiki]
[01:23:35] <Skizzerz>	!preventingaccess | Dharma 
[01:23:35] --mwbot--	Dharma: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access
[01:24:21] <Dharma>	Skizzerz: Thanks, that was my next question
[01:24:33] <Skizzerz>	np :)
[01:24:49] <tale>	Skizzerz: Did you have time to see interoperability with ConfirmAccount?
[01:24:57] <Skizzerz>	tale: still working out that kink
[01:25:09] <Skizzerz>	although I switched over to using userCan, so hopefully that fixes it
[01:25:09] <tale>	Skizzerz: Cool, keep up the good work.
[01:36:38] <TwoTailedFox>	Guys, got a question. I've got a test server that's not having it's recent changes updated, why would that be?
[01:37:21] <TwoTailedFox>	Ah, wait, nvm
[01:37:24] <TwoTailedFox>	found out why
[01:38:12] <tale>	It only took TwoTailedFox one minute to find the answer to his own question himself.
[01:38:57] <nickynacky>	Hi
[01:39:03] <Skizzerz>	hi
[01:39:27] <nickynacky>	does anyone know how i can find out which license a Picture on wikipedia have
[01:39:32] <tale>	I have also good questions, but I am not going to ask them here. If they have answers, they are not so good questions anymore.
[01:39:32] <tale>	nickynacky: HI! 
[01:39:32] <tale>	nickynacky: Nice weather we are having.
[01:39:42] <tale>	nickynacky: It just keeps getting better.
[01:39:44] <nickynacky>	and that automatily whilst caching
[01:39:50] <tale>	nickynacky: How have you been lately?
[01:40:01] <nickynacky>	oj
[01:40:02] <tale>	nickynacky: All for the best, I hope?
[01:40:03] <nickynacky>	hi
[01:40:24] <Skizzerz>	nickynacky: that info is usually detailed on the image description page
[01:40:51] <nickynacky>	can u post a link?
[01:41:01] <nickynacky>	i didnt found anything about that?
[01:41:09] <Skizzerz>	click on the picture to go to that page
[01:41:11] <nickynacky>	im working with php parser
[01:41:40] <Skizzerz>	that makes it harder =/
[01:41:56] <nickynacky>	so i have to cache the picture discription page to get the info about the license?
[01:42:57] <nickynacky>	i want to embedd only the pictures in GDFL into my own webpage
[01:45:58] <tale>	nickynacky: Why did you so suddenly stop the small talk?
[01:46:49] <nickynacky>	oh
[01:46:52] <nickynacky>	sorry
[01:46:56] <nickynacky>	so how are
[01:46:58] <nickynacky>	u?
[01:47:12] <nickynacky>	the weather her in EU sucks
[01:47:45] <tale>	nickynacky: I find it rude, that you come to the channel to small talk, and after just one hi you suddenly blurt out questions about MediaWiki parser.
[01:48:51] <nickynacky>	so what?
[01:49:14] <nickynacky>	its a place wher people change ideas and hints
[01:49:32] <tale>	nickynacky: Well, if you came to the channel to ask questions, you should follow the IRC guidelines and just ask the question and wait for it to get answerd.
[01:58:06] <Dharma>	Skizzerz: I just saw you wrote that extension. I'd ask for your autograph if you were here. Thanks for all your hard work!
[02:08:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Expand spam blacklist to include edit and other summaries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13599  +comment (10ral315)
[02:08:53] <Werdna>	dammit, where's Tim?
[02:09:51] <kirby>	probably sleeping in, its 9/10am where he is
[02:12:40] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32756 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Remove unused vars
[02:14:49] <Werdna>	kirby: I'm 2km from where he is, and it's 1pm :P
[02:15:23] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide support in Special:Contributions to show only "current" contributions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4597  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[02:15:35] <kirby>	hmm, i was under the impression him and Angela lived in Australia
[02:16:04] <Werdna>	yes
[02:16:07] <Werdna>	that's correct
[02:16:32] <checkers>	hi all, is there a way to submit articles via email?
[02:16:41] <Werdna>	I think there's an extension
[02:16:52] <checkers>	I saw an extension called 'emailtowiki' on the MW site, but it's not exactly what I'm after
[02:17:29] <Werdna>	you could write your own script :)
[02:17:51] <checkers>	if I can't find something I might have to :P
[02:18:15] <kirby>	Werdna: hmm, my math was wrong. Australia has 4 time zones
[02:18:17] <checkers>	the main complication is that the wiki I'd like it for doesn't allow public access, so the script has to be able to login with a username
[02:18:37] <Werdna>	kirby: indeed
[02:19:19] <checkers>	without DST it's three, and with DST there's only 4 because QLD doesn't change their time... I think
[02:36:15] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32757 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Tweak
[02:36:18] <wikibugs>	03(mod) generateSitemap.php --fspath: add detalis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12441  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[02:37:01] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32758 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.i18n.php: Gah
[02:41:09] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: do you want to do protection time suggestion dropdowns?
[02:41:22] <Werdna>	yes, please.
[02:41:27] <Werdna>	I've meant to do that for ages
[02:41:32] <Werdna>	like, about a year
[02:41:38] <AaronSchulz>	good, then I can steal the code for flaggedrevs too
[02:41:47] <Werdna>	poor people on nonenglish wikis, have to enter expiry times in english
[02:41:55] <AaronSchulz>	:(
[02:42:10] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: I've modulised the code
[02:42:12] <Werdna>	if you want it
[02:42:17] <Werdna>	(for my current project)
[02:42:52] <Werdna>	http://pastebin.ca/970540
[02:43:45] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: we should probably make it a wf function at some stage
[02:43:55] <Werdna>	seeing as it'll be duplicated in like 4 places once you and I are done
[02:47:05] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: ok, another thing is special:specialpages grouping
[02:47:05] <AaronSchulz>	that would pretty up the list a lot
[02:47:09] <Werdna>	sure
[02:47:21] <Werdna>	you need to add something to the specialpage constructor
[02:52:49] <Werdna>	wtf
[02:52:55] <Werdna>	Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CLASS, expecting ')' in /home/andrew/mediawiki-extensions/GlobalBlocking/SpecialGlobalBlockList.php on line 40
[02:53:04] <Werdna>	I swear it's valid
[02:53:13] <Werdna>	all my () are accounted for
[02:53:29] <AaronSchulz>	you are using a highlighter right?
[02:55:31] <Werdna>	$searchForm .= Xml::openElement( 'div', array( class => 'error' ) ) .
[02:55:33] <Werdna>	yeah
[02:55:38] <Werdna>	what's wrong with that?
[02:55:50] <AaronSchulz>	class?
[02:55:53] <Werdna>	cause if I comment out the bit after the =, up to the period, it works
[02:56:02] <Werdna>	ohh i see
[02:56:04] <Werdna>	it's a reserved word
[02:56:07] <AaronSchulz>	;)
[02:56:30] <Dharma>	thanks again fellas, bye
[03:05:18] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: know anything about this new load balancer?
[03:05:28] <AaronSchulz>	not really :)
[03:07:18] <Werdna>	damn
[03:07:22] *Werdna 	needs TIm
[03:07:30] <Werdna>	can't do much more on GlobalBlocking without him
[03:12:48] <Dantman>	>.< Swweet... poor quality shared hosting just made me $10 fixing a small bug...
[03:13:11] <Dantman>	Issue installing MW that is...
[03:13:37] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: more time for dropdowns and sp:sp sorting
[03:23:18] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) "Invalid action" error page links to deleted article version(s) - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13610 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[03:32:41] <adammw>	Hi. I was wondering - is there a reason that we shouldn't make short URLs for searching, editing, viewing page history, etc.?
[03:33:10] <Werdna>	?
[03:33:14] <Werdna>	more details
[03:33:34] <adammw>	Well, the Manual:Short_URL only talks about rewriting /wiki/Article_name
[03:33:57] <adammw>	nothing about /search/something or /archives/oldid/articlename or anything like that
[03:34:20] <Werdna>	well, I guess you could rewrite /search/something to /w/index.php?title=Special:Search&text=
[03:34:23] <Werdna>	or whatever
[03:34:47] <adammw>	I have, is just Im curious to why there is no one using that
[03:35:24] *Werdna 	shrugs
[03:35:28] <Werdna>	nobody feels like it? :)
[03:36:08] <adammw>	lol... anyway, what would be the best way to modifiy MW to go to those URLs instead of the script path with lots of params
[03:36:27] <Werdna>	rewrite rules
[03:37:04] <adammw>	yes, but usually for /wiki/ urls you set $wgArticlePath. For search and editing and history, there's nothing like that
[03:37:29] <Werdna>	oh
[03:37:33] <Werdna>	hack the code :)
[03:38:04] <adammw>	whereabouts? the skin code or the MW code?
[03:38:18] *Werdna 	shrugs
[03:38:54] <adammw>	ok, well thanks anyway.. bye
[03:40:26] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Do not SUBST: namespace names (etc.) in user preferences signature. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13480  +comment (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[03:51:24] <wikibugs>	03(WONTFIX) Do not SUBST: namespace names (etc.) in user preferences signature. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13480  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[03:53:13] <timetrek>	hey, i am trying to skin my mediawiki. I want to get rid of the sidebar. I deleted all the content but I am still left with empty space on the left. Any idea?
[03:57:02] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32759 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
[03:57:02] <CIA-44>	* Add missing /event log action
[03:57:02] <CIA-44>	* Various UI cleanup
[03:58:17] <DanielFriesen>	timetrek: You'll have to alter the CSS being used to resize things... Actually, you could probably just stick with MonoBook and add some stuff to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] to hide the sidebar and resize the page to fill that space without creating a new skin.
[04:07:08] <Zach>	is there a way for an admin to delete just one revision without deleting the whole page and selectively restoring?
[04:09:01] <Zach>	(if not, there should be)
[04:09:37] <Werdna>	there is
[04:09:39] <Werdna>	brand new
[04:09:46] <Werdna>	grant them the right 'deleterevision', I think
[04:09:49] <Werdna>	ask AaronSchulz 
[04:10:02] <MrZ-man>	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision'] = true;
[04:10:14] <Max_->	Hi! Does anyone knows what should cause this? : http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3761/screenshotht4.jpg
[04:10:14] <Werdna>	yeah, that
[04:10:35] <Zach>	is it available on wikimedia wikis?
[04:10:37] <Werdna>	Max_-: a broken svg
[04:10:39] <Werdna>	Zach: not yet
[04:11:20] *MrZ-man 	sends some coffee to Brion so he can review more code
[04:11:40] <Max_->	Werdna: I can open it and edit it at will... it's from wiki commons anyway...
[04:12:05] <Werdna>	Max_-: then an old version of imagemagick
[04:13:24] <Zach>	maybe you should use rsvg?
[04:13:43] <Werdna>	yeah, or that
[04:13:46] <Max_->	Werdna: do you know if it could be because there's no imagemagick at all? (that's not my computer, so I try to diagnose the problem and suggest something to the host or modify what I can)
[04:13:52] <Max_->	rsvg?
[04:14:12] <Werdna>	another program
[04:14:30] <Max_->	ohh it's another lib.. ok
[04:14:46] <Max_->	I doubt 1and1 will change it for me... :S :P
[04:15:34] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32760 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (LogEventsList.php SpecialRevisiondelete.php): 
[04:15:34] <CIA-44>	* Make revisiondelete queries not suck (many where index misses)
[04:15:34] <CIA-44>	* Document var
[04:18:51] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32761 10/trunk/phase3/includes/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Missed one; use timestamp to use index
[04:19:44] <AaronSchulz>	Zach: what version of MW ?
[04:20:34] <Zach>	r32485
[04:21:14] <Zach>	what revision was it added in?
[04:21:14] <AaronSchulz>	wait till next scap and after some review
[04:21:14] <AaronSchulz>	A long time ago
[04:21:18] <AaronSchulz>	but it was half done until a few days ago
[04:21:47] <AaronSchulz>	the commit 1 minute ago just made able to *not* go slow on large sites
[04:22:05] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: I can't believe I didn't notice how shitty those queries were before
[04:22:15] <Werdna>	heh
[04:22:33] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[04:22:41] <AaronSchulz>	hello
[04:22:50] <Werdna>	hi Nikerabbit 
[04:24:09] <Zach>	is the show/hide link in the history the way to do it?
[04:24:34] <AaronSchulz>	yes
[04:26:17] <CIA-44>	03nikerabbit * r32762 10/trunk/phase3/languages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): * Cyrillic to latin converter for tg
[04:44:35] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32763 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Document and flag some functions
[04:46:13] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32764 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[04:46:13] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations
[04:46:13] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations
[04:46:13] <CIA-44>	* Update Old Chinese / Late Time Chinese translations
[05:08:39] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32765 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: 
[05:08:39] <CIA-44>	* Don't show hist link if hidden
[05:08:39] <CIA-44>	* Mark more functions
[05:12:09] <domas>	I'm frustrated about this article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/30/BUQLUAP8L.DTL
[05:12:21] <domas>	they write how google helps agencies to build information sites
[05:12:31] <domas>	but forget to write that it actually uses mediawiki
[05:16:35] <Werdna>	domas: no Tim yet
[05:16:37] *Werdna 	stalks Tim
[05:18:11] <domas>	what
[05:18:11] <domas>	why
[05:18:12] <domas>	where
[05:18:14] <domas>	warum
[05:32:08] <Werdna>	domas: so he can tell me how to use databases in my extension
[05:46:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Blocking account creation on an IP address should apply to logged in users too - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13611 major; normal; MediaWiki: Blocking; (mapellegrini)
[05:47:14] <CIA-44>	03shinjiman * r32766 10/trunk/extensions/ (GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.i18n.php cldr/LocalNamesEn.php): 
[05:47:14] <CIA-44>	* Update Chinese translations for extension messages
[05:47:14] <CIA-44>	* Update Cantonese translations for extension messages
[05:48:30] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32767 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update per r32762.
[05:49:46] <thecatinthehat>	mediawiki 1.10.2 caching problem: The latest version only appears with action=purge otherwise the previous revision appears. Have disabled client side caching so i'm sure this is the server. Any ideas?
[05:50:04] <thecatinthehat>	The latest version of an article I mean
[05:56:47] <AaronSchulz>	Werdna: http://www.aerospace.ohio-state.edu/research/gregoryj/personal_narrative.html
[05:57:02] <AaronSchulz>	that is one of my instructors now
[05:57:07] <AaronSchulz>	notice anything odd?
[05:59:57] <Werdna>	AaronSchulz: in a bit
[06:00:00] <Werdna>	I'm flying
[06:00:02] <Werdna>	in google earth
[06:00:08] <AaronSchulz>	lol
[06:40:01] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32768 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleMaps/GoogleMaps.i18n.php: fix syntax error
[07:57:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Ability to block vandal IPs across all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13612 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (bd2412)
[08:00:05] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Ability to block vandal IPs across all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13612  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:00:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support global blocking - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[08:18:10] <Sascha^Holzfachs>	http://rafb.net/p/p6D9VF51.html
[08:21:27] <Sascha^Holzfachs>	I need help! I hope that somebody could help me!
[08:21:30] <Sascha^Holzfachs>	How can i change the style of mediawiki to the wikipediastyle?
[08:23:02] <skiidoo>	Waw that's the best use one can have of a pastebin!
[08:25:06] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Create a special page to view all defined user groups and their permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13604  (10raimond.spekking)
[08:27:10] <skiidoo>	Sascha^Holzfachs: just use the monobook skin?
[08:27:44] <zocky>	I can add only checkboxes to the preference form, right?
[08:27:45] <Sascha^Holzfachs>	yes i do
[08:28:43] <Splarka>	zock: in gadgets?
[08:28:50] <zocky>	Splarka, in an extension
[08:29:49] <zocky>	i'm rewriting my wiki skin extension, and i figure it would be nice to have a choice of skins, like with the php skins
[08:30:26] <zocky>	but the getSkins functions (there are 2 of them!) read the actual $IP/skins directory to find skins
[08:31:20] <Splarka>	ahh
[08:31:25] <zocky>	so there's no way to change those radio buttons without either creating or linking files there, or hacking SpecialPreferences.php
[08:32:02] <zocky>	and I'm already hacking too many files in includes
[08:32:51] <Splarka>	so you might call them something else, like [themes] and make a new prefs tab
[08:33:28] <zocky>	Splarka, yeah, but AFAICT, I can only add checkboxes to preferences
[08:33:41] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PreferencesExtension  ?
[08:34:14] <zocky>	ooh, there's PreferencesUserInformationPanel
[08:34:18] *zocky 	clicks
[08:34:26] <Splarka>	hmmm
[08:34:28] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/InitPreferencesForm
[08:34:44] <Splarka>	can you access already-constructed prefs with this hook? (gadgets does, or at least, appends it)
[08:35:22] <zocky>	i don't think so
[08:35:31] <zocky>	but you can add html, which is good enough for me
[08:35:35] <Splarka>	heh
[08:35:40] <zocky>	that extension does look nice though
[08:37:20] <zocky>	it doesn't do radio buttons or selects though
[08:37:21] <zocky>	just inputs
[08:39:36] <Splarka>	hmm
[08:39:47] <Splarka>	well, if you can do arbitrary html, then you can do it yourself
[08:43:16] <Splarka>	and the server won't care if you have a select, radio, or input, it'll see pretty much the same foo=bar (unless you have a multiselect select box or unvalued radio buttons)
[08:44:24] <Nineth>	I see we have page_title in table pages. In which table, field page contents are stored?
[09:09:16] <marchelly>	re
[09:13:46] <CIA-44>	03grondin * r32769 10/trunk/extensions/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
[09:13:46] <CIA-44>	* Add internationalization extension description message in [[Special:Version]]
[09:13:46] <CIA-44>	* Add new extension messages to Translate extension tools
[09:19:41] <GerardM->	at Betawiki the recent changes no longer work when you are logged in.. (Betawiki is using later software then WMF)
[09:22:56] <Splarka>	Gerard: could it be related to enhanced recent changes? is that set on that account?
[09:36:24] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32770 10/trunk/extensions/Woopra/Woopra.php: credit section from 'specialpage' to 'other'
[09:37:21] <thermoman>	how do i disable a user so he can't to a thing in the wiki anymore?
[09:39:04] <Raymond_>	thermoman: block him via Special:blockip
[09:50:34] <Tinny>	Hi All, have a weird problem I can't work out. Have just moved our MediaWiki installation to a different URL on the same server. Have edited the localsettings.php and updated the $wgScriptPath to point to the new url. When I browse to the site the main page works, the links at the top 'edit, history etc' are correct, but our content links all add in the old urls. Old url http://test/kb/index.php - new url http://wiki/index.php content links are coming up a
[09:52:06] <Nineth>	I see we have page_title in table pages. In which table, field page contents are stored?
[09:52:06] <Splarka>	tried an action=purge on them?
[09:52:55] <Tinny>	Splarka: was that directed at me? if so I'm not sure what you mean
[09:54:06] <Splarka>	a page's html is cached so as not to stress the parser overmuch, so they might need re-rendering
[09:54:29] <Splarka>	an edit can do this, but so can a null edit (click edit, click save), but even simpler, an action=purge
[09:54:55] <Splarka>	copy the edit link, and replace "edit" with "purge"
[09:55:36] <Tinny>	that seems to be the tick, lovely stuff, thanks alot
[09:57:03] <Splarka>	Nineth: are you asking where the wikitext of a page is stored?
[09:57:40] <Nineth>	may be :) the content page under link [[hello]]
[09:59:02] <Nineth>	Splarka: in which table wikitext stored?
[09:59:22] <Splarka>	stored in the revision
[09:59:40] <Splarka>	(not sure of the table name, databases are spooky)
[10:00:05] <Tinny>	Splarka: no of any way to purge every page in one go?
[10:00:37] <Splarka>	Tinny: probably is...
[10:03:28] <Splarka>	Tinny: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File_cache#Invalidation
[10:12:01] <thermoman>	Raymond__: thanks
[10:18:04] <RobJDavey>	Does anyone know how to fix the "Error creating thumbnail: ulimit4.sh: line 4: convert: command not found" problem
[10:27:31] <simonrvn>	install imagemagick
[10:31:21] <roboman>	helllo
[10:41:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create a special page to view all defined user groups and their permissions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13604  +comment (10raimond.spekking)
[10:42:10] <asga>	hi there
[10:43:27] <asga>	Is it true that MediaWiki at this point is only using group restrictions for articles ?
[10:44:10] <asga>	also, maybe at some future developement stage there can be per user permissions?
[10:44:27] <asga>	(i recently read comments in tables.sql)
[10:54:16] <CIA-44>	03raymond * r32771 10/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Localisation updates German
[11:00:00] <Mesophan>	Hello everyone. Im having a hard time makeing heads and tails of some Calendar extensions im looking at, so I thought I'd ask - Does anyone know of/use a calendar that supports repeating events? 
[11:00:52] <Mesophan>	repeating as in -- public holidays, weekly/montly events etc. 
[11:01:17] <marvxxx>	i search for a calendar extension
[11:02:17] <Mesophan>	You can do worse than the "DPL_Calendar" - but im unsure if it meets my boss' requirements... 
[11:03:15] <marvxxx>	Mesophan: i will check it out
[11:03:42] <Mesophan>	Link here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DPL_Calendar
[11:17:00] <Mesophan>	ah! 
[11:17:20] <Mesophan>	Dpl does support recurring events
[11:23:12] <CIA-44>	03catrope * r32772 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
[11:23:12] <CIA-44>	API:
[11:23:12] <CIA-44>	* Cleaned up ApiPageSet::getRedirectTargets(), now uses the redirect table rather than the pagelinks table (this fixes bug 13965)
[11:23:12] <CIA-44>	* Added possibility to obtain all external links through list=exturlusage (per MinuteElectron's request on the mediawiki-api list)
[11:24:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) API query returns two <page> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13596  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[11:26:58] <Werdna>	dammit, where's Tim?
[11:27:14] <mark>	in the UK
[11:27:30] <Werdna>	he lives in Australia now, right?
[11:27:40] <mark>	yes... but he's visiting the UK
[11:28:47] <Werdna>	oh
[11:28:52] <Werdna>	well that explains him not being online
[11:28:59] <Werdna>	any idea when he'll be around / when I can contact him>?
[11:29:11] <mark>	he'll be around intermittently in the next few weeks
[11:29:13] <mark>	just mail him :)
[11:30:05] <Werdna>	trust Tim to go away the day before I start working on stuff that needs his new load balancer
[11:42:02] <marvxxx>	can someone explain me namespaces? i dont get i
[11:44:31] <marvxxx>	if i want extra namespaces i have to use $wgExtraNamespaces?
[11:47:06] <MinuteElectron>	marvxxx: yes
[11:48:35] <marvxxx>	what i dont get is then why i should have special namespaces for parts of the wiki and categorys
[11:49:34] <Bryan>	ah fuck
[11:49:36] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32773 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (bug 13606) Added archivename to iiprop
[11:49:41] <Bryan>	that was wrong
[11:50:41] <marvxxx>	what?
[11:51:12] <roboman>	helo
[11:52:11] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32774 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php: Revert ApiQueryExtLinksUsage.php back to r32772: Forgot to do svn revert . on working copy
[11:52:44] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Allow deletion of images via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13606  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[11:52:53] <GerardM->	Splarka yes it has to do with enhanced recent changes. Without it it is fine
[11:53:03] <roboman>	I have just coppied the heelp pges ussing inport/expoort and I would like to remove most of thhe see also sections that I do not nned
[11:54:21] <roboman>	can that be done automaticallly? with ease?
[12:03:21] <roboman>	and is there a way I cann easily hve alll instances of a template removed?
[12:03:47] <RobJDavey>	How do I stop SVG files from displaying the message "Error creating thumbnail: ulimit4.sh: line 4: convert: command not found" rather than their image?
[12:04:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) enhanced recent changes gives blank page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13613 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (Gerard.meijssen)
[12:06:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) enhanced recent changes gives blank page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13613  +comment (10minuteelectron)
[12:07:18] <Werdna>	river river river
[12:07:20] *Werdna 	waves
[12:07:20] <roboman>	is there some oort of script I can use or bot to remove alll instances of a template in a specific namespace
[12:07:32] <Werdna>	bot
[12:08:20] <flyingparchment>	Werdna: am not
[12:08:52] <Werdna>	flyingparchment: I was talking to roboman, silly
[12:10:11] <roboman>	iss th ere one available or would I have to write it and would it be simple to write?
[12:10:37] <Werdna>	write it yourself
[12:10:44] <Werdna>	use regexes and api
[12:10:47] <roboman>	ok
[12:10:50] <Werdna>	templatelinks, in that namespace
[12:10:58] <Werdna>	then find the pages and use regexes to remove it from the page
[12:11:05] <MinuteElectron>	The API does not allow editing yet.
[12:11:19] <MinuteElectron>	unfourunatley
[12:11:49] <Werdna>	yeah, but you can still edit
[12:12:28] <MinuteElectron>	sure
[12:13:39] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32775 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (21 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-04-04 13:43 CEST)
[12:17:07] <CIA-44>	03btongminh * r32776 10/trunk/phase3/includes/FileDeleteForm.php: Moved file deletion code to a more abstract FileDeleteForm::doDelete
[12:17:34] <Bryan>	the api doesn't allow editting, but you can edit the api!
[12:19:10] <asga>	asga
[12:19:19] <asga>	erm sorry xD
[12:21:50] <OsamaK>	Hello! How Can I take advantage of the Database dumps in Linux? In Windows, there is a very great tool comes with AWB called "Database dump scanner", It let's you find a word in all pages wikipedia and list the articles in a wiki style list. Is there the same thing in Linux?
[12:23:06] <Andyleee>	hi
[12:23:07] <Bryan>	does wfDoUpdates() also commit stuff?
[12:23:48] <OsamaK>	Bryan: I think you're using dumps, do you know the answer of my question?
[12:24:15] <CIA-44>	03siebrand * r32777 10/trunk/extensions/ (81 files in 80 dirs):
[12:24:46] <Bryan>	OsamaK: I'm not using dumps and I'm not using Linux
[12:25:16] <OsamaK>	Bryan: Oh, then what's your OS?
[12:25:22] <Bryan>	Vista
[12:25:31] <OsamaK>	Yee
[12:25:44] *OsamaK 	hates it
[12:26:55] <Bryan>	why?
[12:27:31] <OsamaK>	It's enough to be closed source, stupid styles, very big size
[12:29:21] <Bryan>	ghe
[12:30:50] <Andyleee>	I got a question... I've installed the mod that let only members of a phpBB-Group read and edit the wiki. 
[12:31:02] <Andyleee>	is it possible to define 2 groups?
[12:31:09] <Werdna>	it is
[12:31:22] <Andyleee>	how do I do this?
[12:31:40] <Andyleee>	(thanks for your help, Werdna ;) )
[12:31:54] <Andyleee>	which code do I have to change?
[12:31:59] <Werdna>	LocalSettings.php
[12:32:07] <Andyleee>	ok
[12:32:29] <Andyleee>	and then?
[12:33:06] <MinuteElectron>	!rights | Andyleee
[12:33:06] --mwbot--	Andyleee: For information on customizing user access, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights >. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access >.
[12:36:22] <simonrvn>	you find out a lot by just browsing and reading the Help: namespace on mw
[12:36:35] <simonrvn>	also Manual: :)
[12:37:27] <Bryan>	I'm confused. Why does Article use $article->mTitle->getUserPermissionsErrors and FileDeleteForm $wgUser->isAllowed( 'delete' ) to delete?
[12:39:02] <simonrvn>	extra checks for the Article? *shrug*
[12:39:48] <Andyleee>	thanks for your information
[12:40:10] <Andyleee>	it was not really what i was looking for, but it led me in the right direction :)
[12:41:28] <kenny87>	hey guys
[12:41:32] <kenny87>	look
[12:41:40] <kenny87>	i've read the gnu license 
[12:41:49] <kenny87>	andi have the question
[12:42:05] <kenny87>	can i usethe media wiki to make a portal
[12:42:14] <kenny87>	used for commercial purpose?
[12:43:04] <Mesophan>	Commercial as in .. selling it? Or commercial as in .. using it in a business?
[12:43:43] <Werdna>	kenny87: yes.
[12:43:49] <Werdna>	GPL doesn't restrict to noncommercial purposes
[12:43:56] <Werdna>	provided you don't actually sell the MediaWiki code
[12:43:59] <Werdna>	cause that's kinda cheating
[12:44:03] <kenny87>	as in using it in a business
[12:44:08] <Werdna>	yeah that's fine
[12:44:09] <simonrvn>	and pointless ;)
[12:44:20] <Mesophan>	Useing it as a product in a business is quite OK.
[12:45:18] <simonrvn>	"why should i buy the code from you when i can go download it for the cost of a few MB in bandwidth?"
[12:45:47] <kenny87>	thanks guys
[12:45:49] <kenny87>	lol
[12:46:10] <kenny87>	of course it would e useless:))
[12:46:23] <kenny87>	what dumnasses would take it and selling it?
[12:46:37] <Andyleee>	i would :)
[12:46:39] <kenny87>	excuse my english:)
[12:46:42] <simonrvn>	hehe
[12:46:56] <Andyleee>	in china, it's certainly forbidden to use mediawiki... :)
[12:47:07] <kenny87>	why?
[12:48:00] <Mesophan>	depends on the content doesent it?
[12:48:22] <Mesophan>	A government wiki praising the glory of China wouldnt be banned... 
[12:48:35] <Andyleee>	in china, nearly everything is forbidden ;)
[12:49:36] <Werdna>	sauce plz
[12:49:43] <kenny87>	thats probably why u guys have the best economy:)
[12:50:05] <Mesophan>	Apple-, Cranberry- or Leet-sauce Werdna? :D
[12:51:47] <lch>	well, china is banning Wikipedia, but are they banning MediaWiki, too?
[12:52:57] <Mesophan>	They're banning the content, not the tool... 
[12:53:02] <lch>	yeah
[12:53:30] <Mesophan>	Unless mediawiki starts getting political and adding anti-china content to its pages, they should be safe.
[12:53:50] <Jack_Phoenix>	Anti-China messages in installer script \o/
[12:53:55] <Jack_Phoenix>	lol, j/k ;-)
[12:53:59] <rainman-sr>	kenny87, screw economy, romania has great music :)
[12:54:04] <Bryan>	in soviet russia, wikimediawiki bans you!
[12:54:22] <Mesophan>	Wouldnt surprise me, but hey... I guess even Coders can have an agenda. heh... 
[12:54:28] <lch>	well, I've seen chinese wikis, although they weren't mediawiki... I think they just don't use them because mediawiki isn't "chinese-friendly" as in a chinese installation manual, or even problems with the character set, dunno
[12:55:12] <Mesophan>	I can vividly imagine Chinese as a ... tricky localization.
[12:55:36] <Werdna>	mediawiki is very chinese friendly
[12:55:45] <Werdna>	it even has translation between simple and traditional
[12:55:59] <Mesophan>	Good stuff.
[12:56:31] <Simetrical>	Does search work for Chinese, though?
[12:56:57] <Simetrical>	No spaces.  :(
[12:57:09] <rainman-sr>	i works by tokening two adjecent chars
[12:57:20] <rainman-sr>	which is suboptimal, but works for most cases
[12:57:24] <Simetrical>	So sort of like a trigram index, except a digram index.
[12:58:07] <rainman-sr>	yeah, something like a ngram index.. supposedly there is chinese tokenizer that gets the words boundaries right
[12:58:27] <Simetrical>	For other languages it's just sort of "has anyone wrote a tokenizer?" kind of thing, I guess.
[12:58:38] <rainman-sr>	but i couldn't find anywhere, chinese are probably keeping it secret :P
[12:58:45] <Simetrical>	I bet Google has one.
[12:59:06] <Bryan>	make is a GSoC project
[12:59:20] <rainman-sr>	last time i checked there was no working code, just some very general discusion
[13:01:26] <rainman-sr>	it would also be helpful if we had edit distance for chinese chars
[13:01:45] <rainman-sr>	i.e. based on radicals, strokes.. 
[13:02:33] <Bryan>	does anybody know the difference between getUserPermissionsErrors, userCan, isAllowed?
[13:02:46] <lymeca>	Where in the mediawiki isntallation directory is it configured where to look for the corret database?
[13:03:14] <Bryan>	lymeca: LocalSettings.php
[13:03:25] <kenny87>	rainman, romania has beautifull girls...as for the music...:-"
[13:03:25] <lymeca>	I just migrated a MediaWiki isntallation and I need to update the config files to tell it to look for the DB in localhost as opposed to the providers MySQL server DNS name
[13:04:07] <Skizzerz>	lymeca: it should be near the top of localsettings.php
[13:04:55] <lymeca>	Skizzerz, Bryan: So if I change it to the correct DB info should I have to do anything ekse besides save LocalSettings.php?
[13:05:03] <Skizzerz>	no
[13:05:05] <Bryan>	no
[13:05:17] <lymeca>	I updated the info but when I try and access it it still takes me to the configuraton page
[13:05:50] <lymeca>	"Please  set up the wiki first." in web browser
[13:06:07] <Bryan>	then you don't have a LocalSettings.php
[13:06:37] <lymeca>	Well sure i do I just edited it
[13:10:46] <Skizzerz>	lymeca: is it a) named LocalSettings.php (capitalisation counts), and b) in the wiki root?
[13:11:01] <lymeca>	Is there anything else that I should change across MediaWiki migration?
[13:11:10] <Skizzerz>	no
[13:11:17] <lymeca>	-rw-r--r--  1 root root   4606 Apr  4 13:05 LocalSettings.php
[13:11:34] <lymeca>	and it's located in /usr/share/mediawiki/
[13:11:40] <Skizzerz>	hmm...
[13:11:41] <lymeca>	which is my documentroot
[13:11:48] <lymeca>	(Debian MediaWiki package)
[13:12:07] <lymeca>	It's possible the DB dump was bad
[13:12:18] <lymeca>	I was confused about it yesterday in here.
[13:12:36] <Skizzerz>	that setup page only checks the existance of LocalSettings, it would be a different page if your db was bad/corrupted
[13:12:45] <lymeca>	hmmm
[13:13:30] <lymeca>	Restarting Apache didn't help/
[13:17:03] <Mesophan>	All this talk of LocalSettings made me realize I cant find one on our system.. There is a NoLocalSettings tho.. 
[13:17:26] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) enhanced recent changes gives blank page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13613  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:18:04] <lymeca>	Well at least you can USE your wiki...............
[13:18:43] <Mesophan>	heh. yes.. But the extension(s) I installl seem to require it and Im not the intended admin. What do I have to do to generate one without messing up stuff?
[13:19:08] <Mesophan>	there is talk of a setup .. `?
[13:19:45] <lymeca>	I would love for anyone to help me figure out why I'm getting the "set up the wiki config page" when I have a LocalSettings.php with content in it 4606 bytes long in my documentroot?
[13:20:35] <Bryan>	is your document root pointing to the correct path?
[13:20:43] <Skizzerz>	lymeca: document root or wiki root?
[13:21:16] <lymeca>	Skizzerz: good point
[13:21:33] <lymeca>	Skizzerz: So have you worked with the Debian MediaWiki package before?
[13:21:38] <Skizzerz>	nope
[13:21:45] <lymeca>	It seems to install the wiki directory into /usr/share/mediawiki
[13:22:14] <lymeca>	So I moved all the files in the old installation hosted by godaddy from THAT wiki/ folder into /usr/share/mediawiki on my server
[13:22:36] <lymeca>	I fixed the documentroot so it points to /usr/share/mediawiki and now I'm not getting the config error
[13:22:36] <Skizzerz>	does the wiki/ folder still exist?
[13:22:46] <Skizzerz>	ah, good then :)
[13:22:49] <lymeca>	no not really
[13:22:55] <lymeca>	but when I try to access it
[13:22:57] <lymeca>	The requested URL /wiki/index.php5/Main_Page was not found on this server.
[13:23:03] <Skizzerz>	...
[13:23:11] <lymeca>	which makes sense because there is no wiki/ folder anymore
[13:23:33] <lymeca>	I guess Apache's documentroot points to the wiki/ folder now which is /usr/share/mediawiki/
[13:23:38] <Skizzerz>	update $wgScriptPath and $wgStylePath (and possibly $wgArticlePath if it's defined)
[13:23:49] <Skizzerz>	(you'll find those in localsettings)
[13:23:57] <lymeca>	I want this to be like WIkipedia URLs btw
[13:24:08] <lymeca>	I don't want that ugly index.php5 stuff
[13:24:29] <Skizzerz>	!shorturl
[13:24:29] --mwbot--	To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[13:24:29] <Skizzerz>	... /me pokes mwbot
[13:24:36] <Jack_Phoenix>	lagbot :P
[13:25:12] <Skizzerz>	lymeca: as for the php5 stuff, search LocalSettings for the config variable for that and change it to '.php'
[13:25:51] <lymeca>	Skizzerz: I have no  $wgStylePath in LocalSettings.php
[13:26:18] <Skizzerz>	ok, then just change ScriptPath
[13:26:25] <lymeca>	$wgScriptPath       = "/wiki";
[13:26:26] <lymeca>	$wgScriptExtension  = ".php5";
[13:26:38] <lymeca>	So should I change it to "."; and ".php" ?
[13:27:29] <Skizzerz>	no, "" and ".php"
[13:28:14] <lymeca>	Skizzerz: BEAUTIFUL
[13:28:19] <lymeca>	Magick!
[13:28:38] <Skizzerz>	np :)
[13:31:04] <lymeca>	Skizzerz: okay this is very interesting.  The URLs are now hostname/index.php/Main_Page
[13:31:13] <Skizzerz>	ok
[13:31:21] <lymeca>	Now it would be *ideal* to not have the wiki in the URL like in Wikipedia
[13:31:24] <lymeca>	this site is *JUST* a wiki
[13:31:25] <Skizzerz>	then you're halfway there
[13:31:39] <Simetrical>	!shorturl | lymeca 
[13:31:39] --mwbot--	lymeca: To create simple URLs (such as the /wiki/PAGENAME style URLs on Wikimedia sites), follow the instructions at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL>. There are instructions for most different webserver setups. If you have problems getting the rewrite rules to work, see !rewriteproblem
[13:31:40] <lymeca>	but I DID read a bunch about how potentially bad that was on mediawiki.org
[13:31:50] <Simetrical>	We should really just support it.
[13:31:52] <Andyleee>	wanna say: goodbye
[13:31:53] <mers>	hi folks. we need to keep technical documentation on MediaWiki for our products. our products go through multiple versions, and we want to make sure that an article on the wiki is somehow related to the product version it applies to. how is this usually done?
[13:32:03] <Simetrical>	Everyone wants it, and honestly it's not totally stupid or anything.
[13:32:03] <lymeca>	Simetrical: I agree.
[13:32:08] <lymeca>	No it's not.
[13:32:29] <lymeca>	The /wiki/ is more stupid actually for a pure wiki
[13:32:46] <Skizzerz>	mers: by editing the article and updating it? I'm not quite sure what you mean
[13:33:05] <Simetrical>	lymeca, . . . like Wikipedia?
[13:33:05] <Simetrical>	:)
[13:33:10] <lymeca>	=P
[13:33:26] <Mesophan>	Mers: Make a template for your product, and keep the template updated with general info, and the pages based on the template with spesific details... 
[13:33:31] <lymeca>	Well here's what I want ideally:  I want people to come to the site and get sent to an index.html that's a custom load page, then I want them to click on the load page and have it send them to http://hostname/Main_Page
[13:33:40] <lymeca>	Can I do this all in 1 directory?
[13:33:42] <mers>	Skizzerz: if a version changes a document, we don't want to clobber the old document
[13:34:20] <mers>	Skizzerz: e.g. we want the pages for version 1.2 to still be accessible, even though we update them for 1.3
[13:34:25] <Skizzerz>	mers: All changes to articles are kept in the "history" section, where you can see each and every revision
[13:34:46] <Skizzerz>	although you could just make different pages for each if you want them completely accessibly
[13:34:49] <Skizzerz>	*accessible
[13:34:51] <Mesophan>	You can send along a permanent link to a spesific revision... 
[13:34:59] <mers>	Skizzerz: the history section is too fine grained. there can be 500 changes for version 1.2 and it would still be for version 1.2
[13:35:18] <Skizzerz>	mers: Yes, so just make an entirely different page for it
[13:36:08] <wikibob>	Skizzerz: is there a feature tool which can take a graph of pages and snapshot/tag them?
[13:36:15] <Skizzerz>	mers: like http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_to_1.11 and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading_to_1.12
[13:36:55] <mers>	Mesophan: permanent links are links to particular edit versions?
[13:37:01] <lymeca>	The logo on the top left of the site didn't copy over perfectly
[13:37:03] <Skizzerz>	wikibob: I really don't know, so checking the extension matrix would be their best bet: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_matrix
[13:37:08] <lymeca>	Imean it's not showing up at all
[13:37:34] <wikibob>	Skizzerz: the problem we found with that if If page A links to page B (v1.1) which in turn links to pages C D E F G, changing the version on page B would prompt us having to effect changes on C D E F G. :(
[13:37:45] <wikibob>	Skizzerz: will check it out
[13:38:21] <lymeca>	Also: anyone know about why after moving a MediaWiki install the images which are scaled down seem to be fuzzy just the big versions of the pictures scaled down by the web browser isntead of proper thumbnails?
[13:39:00] <Mesophan>	mers: Iirc - yes. There should be something in the Toolbox that says "Permanent Link" - those even works for the revision-history.
[13:39:01] <Skizzerz>	wikibob: use a template and just update that to change versions across all pages?
[13:41:02] <Jack_Phoenix>	hi ialex :-)
[13:41:08] <mers>	Mesophan: thanks, checking out permanent links
[13:41:15] <ialex>	hello Jack_Phoenix :)
[13:41:31] *Jack_Phoenix 	waves
[13:41:43] <wikibob>	Skizzerz: you mean templates linking to other templates? is that possible
[13:41:51] <Skizzerz>	yes
[13:42:42] <wikibob>	Skizzerz: *insert maniacal voice* eeeeeenteresting!
[13:43:06] <lymeca>	figured that part out...had to enable use of imagemagic library in localsettings
[13:45:36] <Piero>	hi, is there an attribute for users that gives you his last http request date?
[13:46:14] <ialex>	Piero: only the last time he modified something
[13:46:33] <Piero>	hmmm
[13:46:39] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[13:46:43] <Piero>	hello
[13:46:48] <ialex>	hi Nikerabbit :)
[13:46:58] <Nikerabbit>	hi ialex
[13:47:08] <Skizzerz>	you could store the timestamp of the last request on a cookie
[13:47:26] <Nikerabbit>	ialex: do you spek French?
[13:47:30] <ialex>	Nikerabbit: yes
[13:47:58] <Piero>	im workin on the social profile extension, et j'ai besoin de la derniere requete de l'utilisateur
[13:48:01] <Piero>	:)
[13:48:34] <mers>	Mesophan: the problem with permanent links is that if you go to page X oldId 100, that will still link to the latest version of page Y
[13:48:55] <mers>	so you can't use permanent links to get a snapshot of an article graph
[13:49:05] <ialex>	Piero: dans ce cas il faudrait modifier la base de données pour y ajouter un champ qui indique la dernière requête de l'utilisateur
[13:49:31] <Piero>	ouai ca marcherait
[13:50:08] <Piero>	mais ca veut dire qu'il faut updater la base de donnees a chaque requete
[13:50:16] <Piero>	et ca ca pue
[13:51:01] <ialex>	c'est le principal problème
[13:51:10] <Piero>	c pas possible
[13:51:14] <Piero>	c trop lourd
[13:51:15] <ialex>	ou sinon utiliser un cache
[13:51:22] <ialex>	comme $wgMemc
[13:51:35] <Piero>	hmmm
[13:54:14] *ialex 	pokes CIA-44
[13:55:49] <Piero>	j'ai jamais utiliser le cache vraiment... est-ce que ca reste enregistre sur le serveur?
[13:56:16] <ialex>	un certain temps, choisi d'avance
[13:57:24] <lymeca>	okay when I first copied over a mediawiki install not all files in images/thumbs were there apparently and they showed up as missed on some pages
[13:57:36] <lymeca>	but I just added them but I'm still getting the same error:
[13:57:38] <lymeca>	Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/usr/share/mediawiki/images/thumb/8/8c/Hampedia_logo_big.jpg/280px-Hampedia_logo_big.jpg': Permission denied.
[13:58:01] <lymeca>	That file is definitely there,and definitely world readable
[14:00:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	ialex / Nikerabbit: there are a few annoying, hardcoded string in the SocialProfile extensions (such as line 279 of SpecialUserBoard.php: posted " . $b->getTimeAgo($ub_message["timestamp"])." ago) that should be i18ned...would one of you be willing to fix it? :) and the logging system seems to be relatively buggy too...the logs won't show up on Special:Log even though they do show up on the recent changes
[14:01:32] *Mesophan 	looks around
[14:04:07] <Nikerabbit>	Jack_Phoenix: ask Piero
[14:04:35] <Jack_Phoenix>	you guys are the devs with power and such ;-)
[14:07:40] *Skizzerz 	is teh lazy
[14:10:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default signature contain a link to the talk page. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3391  (10catlow)
[14:16:37] <Bryan>	uh, wtf
[14:16:39] <Bryan>			$hasHistory = false;
[14:16:40] <Bryan>			if ( !$reason ) $reason = $this->generateReason($hasHistory);
[14:17:22] <Nikerabbit>	looks like a normal wtf code
[14:18:55] <Skizzerz>	indeed
[14:19:36] <Bryan>	the deletion code looks generally wtf
[14:21:57] <Piero>	the social profile will be available next week
[14:22:48] <Skizzerz>	o.0
[14:23:20] <Skizzerz>	that comment makes no sense
[14:23:46] <luk-156>	hi
[14:24:17] <luk-156>	i want to create a page visible only to the group administrator is it possible?
[14:30:49] <Bryan>	awesome, I comitted r(2^15)
[14:32:00] <ialex>	r32768 : siebrand
[14:32:49] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Allow deletion of images via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13606  +comment (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:32:52] <MinuteElectron>	pwned
[14:44:01] <Bryan>	ialex: ahh fuck, I switched the numbers around
[14:44:07] <Bryan>	Committed revision 32786.
[14:44:15] <ialex>	:)
[14:44:44] *ialex 	kicks CIA-44
[14:44:44] <CIA-44>	ow
[14:44:51] <ialex>	damn bot
[14:45:01] <Bryan>	well it was the api vodafone branch
[14:45:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow deletion of images via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13606  (10Bryan.TongMinh)
[14:45:24] <Mesophan>	How can I see whats set in DefaultSettings? 
[14:45:43] <Jack_Phoenix>	Mesophan: open up the file and look inside it ;-) it's located in the includes folder
[14:45:50] <ialex>	Bryan: not only our commit but it didn't reported since i'm here
[14:46:03] <ialex>	*your
[14:46:14] <Mesophan>	Aha. So its not a template for settings then... ok. 
[14:46:36] <Bryan>	[14:24:17]	<CIA-44>	siebrand * r32777 /trunk/extensions/ (81 files in 80 dirs): << latest
[14:46:55] <Bryan>	that is 12:24 UTC
[14:47:36] <seb_zemann>	Hi again. Yesterday ialex tried to helped me, but unfortunately without success. 
[14:47:37] <seb_zemann>	My problem is:  I want to get rid of the index.php5 in my URL. Now it looks like http://www.foobar.com/wiki/index.php5/Homepage
[14:47:38] <seb_zemann>	.htaccess: http://rafb.net/p/jt3aSn85.html
[14:47:40] <seb_zemann>	LocalSettings.php: http://rafb.net/p/N6KWAD52.html
[14:47:42] <seb_zemann>	I have the newest mediawiki and my server should be able to use php5
[14:48:04] <G666RL>	how come I cannot save the make-up of Wikipedia pages? If i save a any wikipage, lets say en.wikipedia.org/wiki/stone and reopen it from my local pc, it looks like crap, like an 80s WWW page plse redirect if this is not the place
[14:48:51] <Bryan>	G666RL: you need the style files, look for some option in your webbrowser that says "save full web page", or similar
[14:49:21] <G666RL>	yah i've done that, it just doesn't save the css or something
[14:49:25] <G666RL>	or the wrong css
[14:49:31] <Mesophan>	Either that or some other web-sucker that can take everything. 
[14:49:44] <G666RL>	it;'s just FF or IE or opera
[14:49:51] <G666RL>	usually they work fine
[14:50:21] <Dharma>	Everyone: Does anyone have any experience with the Wikipainting extension? It seems to work until I try to load a saved image. It saves as a black screen and may be corrupted. Any ideas?
[14:50:54] <Mesophan>	worked for me G666RL
[14:51:03] <Mesophan>	I got the CSS and everything.. 
[14:51:28] <G666RL>	Mesophan: im so happy for you, im trying to figger out why i can't
[14:52:07] <Mesophan>	yeesh.. scratch that. You're right.. that does look like the proverbial ... dung.
[14:53:21] <Mesophan>	all the info is there tho... it just doesent look like a wiki page any more
[14:54:15] <G666RL>	if you talking about the stone page, thats just an example, i cannot save ANY wiki page with its make-up/css/style-sheet or whatever
[14:55:05] <Mesophan>	Do you get a single-file or the collection? Or nothing at all?
[14:55:49] <G666RL>	the prob is in http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/shared.css?127
[14:55:52] <G666RL>	i think
[14:56:37] <G666RL>	when i save a page i get that page and a directory with some files that belong to that page, like pics and css and stuff
[14:57:01] <G666RL>	exept on WP pages, where it somehow screws up the css
[14:57:06] <G666RL>	i think
[14:57:17] <G666RL>	im pretty sure about that actually
[15:03:51] <Dharma>	G666RL: Are you trying to save a Wiki page to view offline, and finding that the format has changed? I think this is because you (presumably) don't have php runnning to put it all together. I'm hardly an expert, though.
[15:04:27] <G666RL>	yes, as you said
[15:04:38] <lch>	nah
[15:04:42] <lch>	it's because of this:
[15:04:44] <lch>				@import "/skins-1.5/common/shared.css?127";
[15:04:44] <lch>				@import "/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css?127";
[15:04:45] <G666RL>	but i can do that with other pages
[15:04:53] <G666RL>	yes lch i see that a lot
[15:05:11] <Dharma>	G666RL: Trying saving a wikipedia page, and see how that looks
[15:08:18] <Dharma>	G666RL: Is it the same as when you save a Wikipedia page to view offline? i.e. text and images, but no 'wiki' format.
[15:09:26] <lch>	well, there are multiple things that the "save page" functionality doesn't get... CSS @imports, the conditional <!--[if's and the Javascript code
[15:10:35] <lch>	maybe this here can help you: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/11/offline-wikipedia.html
[15:11:15] <seb_zemann>	anybody?
[15:12:58] <lch>	seb_zemann, make sure that the rewriting really happens
[15:13:11] <lch>	turn on logging for the rewrite engine and see what it does
[15:13:47] <lch>	or wait, does it work but reload as wiki/index.php5/Homepage ?
[15:13:59] <G666RL>	Dharma: lch  you both got it right
[15:14:00] <seb_zemann>	lch: Pardon me, but what rewriting?
[15:14:05] <lch>	or doesn't it work to access wiki/Homepage at all?
[15:14:11] <lch>	the stuff in your .htaccess
[15:14:16] <Dharma>	Everybody: Nobody familiar with Wikipainting? I have a problem saving images
[15:14:18] <G666RL>	Dharma: i do indeed get NO wiki format
[15:14:28] <G666RL>	sorry bout paint
[15:15:30] <lch>	G666RL, as I said, if you use Firefox, there are extensions for that, e.g. http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/
[15:16:57] <seb_zemann>	lch: Sorry, I still don't get it (ialex created this .htaccess for me yesterday).
[15:17:07] <seb_zemann>	lch: wiki/Homepage doesn't work
[15:17:12] <Dharma>	G666RL: or maybe just print to pdf to save a page 'as seen'
[15:17:44] <Dharma>	G666RL: are you trying to save pages 'as seen' from your wiki, or from wikipedia?
[15:17:57] <G666RL>	yes
[15:18:03] <G666RL>	wiat
[15:18:17] <Dharma>	G666RL: I meant, which one?
[15:18:22] <G666RL>	what do you mean with YOUR wiki
[15:18:30] <G666RL>	yes i realised that too late
[15:18:32] <G666RL>	what do you mean with YOUR wiki
[15:18:53] <Dharma>	G666RL: do you have a wiki site which you're building?
[15:18:57] <ialex>	seb_zemann: replace /wiki by /popomundo/wiki in your .htaccess (two times)
[15:20:22] <lch>	seb_zemann, what webserver are you using? Apache?
[15:20:28] <G666RL>	Dharma: no, i know now what you mean. I just want to save any wiki page with the wiki format and the side bars, etc, and not the print format either coz that looks sucky
[15:21:04] <lch>	it isn't clear if the web server is using the .htaccess files at all
[15:21:45] <seb_zemann>	ialex: hi ;) thx for helping again. I think we tried this one out already. But I changed it now without success
[15:22:11] <lch>	seb_zemann, read http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL
[15:22:18] <seb_zemann>	lch: I use this one: http://hoststar.ch/de/hosting/starentry.html
[15:23:10] <lch>	FrontPage support in there might indicate that this is a Microsoft IIS
[15:23:48] <lch>	they don't say for sure though
[15:24:08] <furrykef>	Does MediaWiki have a facility for showing HTML comments to editors when viewing a page normally?
[15:24:15] <furrykef>	If not, I think there should be one
[15:24:30] <lch>	put a phpinfo.php5 file in there with <?php phpinfo(); ?> in it, and look in there what kind of web server you have
[15:24:37] <lch>	then read the shorturl manual
[15:24:47] <lch>	I don't know how to do that in IIS
[15:25:01] <seb_zemann>	lch, ialex: hold on a second
[15:26:26] <Dharma>	G666RL: sorry, I'm out of ideas then. I THINK you need php to tie it all together and make it look right. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
[15:28:16] <G666RL>	Dharma: good luck with your painting
[15:28:43] <Dharma>	G666RL: tnx, you too.
[15:29:23] <seb_zemann>	lch, ialex: it's a Apache/1.3.36 Server, the error message tells me ;)
[15:29:31] <lch>	ok
[15:29:33] <lch>	that's good
[15:30:11] <seb_zemann>	lch, ialex: I think I'm stupid. I messed up with the .htaccess-file yesterday
[15:30:14] <lch>	if you can change the server configuration directly instead of using .htaccess, then you could put it in a <Directory> tag in there
[15:31:37] <G666RL>	damn
[15:31:44] <G666RL>	is lch gone
[15:31:45] <seb_zemann>	lch, ialex: but now it (the .htacces file) works. But unfortunately I don't have the permission to access on the server anymore... (403 Forbidden)
[15:33:47] <Dharma>	G666RL: Just found out, the Firefox ScreenGrab extension does just what you want. Checked it myself.
[15:34:04] <Dharma>	G666RL: It saves the page as an image.
[15:35:30] <ialex>	seb_zemann: you're sure hou don't have other things in that file ?
[15:35:36] <ialex>	*you
[15:35:42] <G666RL>	Dharma: thanks but that's not what i wanted. this is the same as the pdf thing. And IE can save the page as .mht which is the same thing. I want to know, how to include the css into the page so that it saves the wiki format, not a picture. I can take screenshots. but thanks
[15:36:31] <seb_zemann>	ialex: in the .htacces? Yes I'm sure about that one. No space, no nothing
[15:36:38] <Dharma>	G666RL: Darn. Sorry.
[15:37:08] <G666RL>	lch where do i get @import "/skins-1.5/common/shared.css?127";   @import "/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css?127";  and more importantly, how do i include that into a saved wikipage?
[15:37:25] <G666RL>	Dharma: ;)
[15:38:46] <Dharma>	G666RL: Hey, I tried. I don't think you can save the css though, because its server side. Still getting to grips with it myself though.
[15:41:00] <G666RL>	Dharma: pm me ?
[15:41:14] <G666RL>	Dharma: can u pm me now?
[15:42:26] <Dharma>	I'm trying, new to irc, too
[15:43:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:Whatlinkshere display could be sorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13614 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (nicdumz)
[15:43:27] <G666RL>	lch?
[15:46:28] <NicDumZ>	G666RL, Dharma, you can't pm someone if you're not registered, afaik. Try joining #G666RL-Dharma for a pm-like conversation.
[15:47:09] <G666RL>	tnx
[15:47:16] <Dharma>	NicDumZ: Thanks. 
[15:47:24] <Dharma>	G666RL: see you there?
[16:00:13] <citronized>	hello ! :)
[16:01:05] <G666RL>	thats an oasis song
[16:01:12] <G666RL>	really good one
[16:05:14] <citronized>	i'm a mediawiki noob and i'd like to use it to create a library
[16:05:28] <g666RL>	what kind
[16:05:49] <citronized>	a die-cast lib
[16:06:12] <citronized>	you know, those tiny cars :)
[16:06:30] <citronized>	scale models
[16:06:49] <citronized>	don't know the exact name in english :(
[16:07:17] <Dharma>	HOTWHEELS!
[16:07:56] <citronized>	yup, like hotwheels, but a bit bigger : 1:43
[16:08:28] <citronized>	i think hotwheels are 1:64, aren't they ?
[16:09:11] <Dharma>	I don't think we've really got a name for them, just Model Cars
[16:09:27] <citronized>	fine for me :)
[16:09:28] <g666RL>	dinky toys
[16:09:44] <citronized>	think inky is a trade mark
[16:09:55] <citronized>	first one :)
[16:10:25] <Dharma>	that's it, dinky toys. I really should've know that one :/
[16:10:55] <Dharma>	citronized: http://www.ehartwell.com/InfoDabble/HowTo:_Install_MediaWiki_on_a_GoDaddy_Value_Plan
[16:11:09] <Dharma>	how to install mediawiki on a cheap hosting plan
[16:11:25] <Dharma>	you could have it up and running within an hour
[16:11:33] <citronized>	great :)
[16:11:37] <Dharma>	np
[16:12:23] <citronized>	i've installed it locally for now
[16:12:34] <citronized>	and it works well
[16:12:54] <citronized>	i prefer testing this stuff home, first :)
[16:13:38] <citronized>	anyway, to present the records of the lib (articles), i think i'll need a form to create records, how should i do that ?
[16:16:29] <Dharma>	citronized: not sure buddy, there's lots of ways depending on how you want it to look. You could just add a link to each article from the main page.
[16:16:50] <citronized>	my question shows in a way that i haven't clearly understood the mediawiki structure for the content pages, I guess :)
[16:17:52] <citronized>	Dharma: yup, but I think there'll be way too much pages related from the main page then :/
[16:18:19] <Dharma>	citronized: so you only want SOME of them listed on the main page?
[16:19:05] <citronized>	i'd like something like a categories or sort of...
[16:19:20] <citronized>	categories and sub categories
[16:19:52] <citronized>	you know like : Dinky Toys>Ford>Comete...
[16:20:31] <citronized>	to browse the records
[16:21:16] <Dharma>	citronized: I'd create a 'Ford' page, which links to each of the cars, then add links on the main page to 'Ford', 'Mercedes', etc.
[16:21:31] <citronized>	mmh
[16:21:35] <citronized>	I see
[16:21:58] <seb_zemann>	ialex: I give it up. Thank you for your help.
[16:22:52] <Dharma>	citronized: then you can alter the look of the list/index with basic wiki markup. But again, I'm sure there are other ways.
[16:23:03] <citronized>	Dharma: is there a way to edit this Ford page automaticaly ?
[16:23:06] <seb_zemann>	It doesn't want to work. Pure bullshit. Don't have the patience anymore...
[16:23:24] <ialex>	:)
[16:23:36] <seb_zemann>	Good evening everybody :)
[16:23:36] <Mesophan>	Grasshopper come in all sizes and shapes it seems... 
[16:24:25] <Dharma>	citronized: probably, but dunno how, Sry.
[16:24:38] <citronized>	if a user want to create a car page for the Ford categorie, is there a way to allow him to select it (Ford) in a list when he creates the page ?
[16:25:01] <Mesophan>	Apart from the usual "new page" procedures? 
[16:25:11] <citronized>	yup, I guees
[16:25:14] <citronized>	guess
[16:25:48] <citronized>	I think i'll need a custom editing form, don't I ?
[16:26:21] <Mesophan>	nnnot really. Atleast I dont see why you should. Care to elaborate on that thought?
[16:27:22] <citronized>	sorry, my english is too crappy to understand your last sentance :/
[16:27:53] <Mesophan>	citronized: No worry. Can you give more details please? Why do you think you need a custom form?
[16:28:41] <citronized>	;)
[16:29:34] <citronized>	well, I think I need one to allow user to select or type categories related to the car they want to input
[16:31:48] <citronized>	with models cars, we have several categories to search/find models such as manufacturer, brend, scale, etc.
[16:33:01] <citronized>	so i'd like users to set up those fields to allow others users to find out those records...
[16:33:24] <citronized>	not sure if i'm clear enough ?
[16:33:33] <Mesophan>	Self-categorizing pages... 
[16:33:50] <citronized>	yes !
[16:34:00] <Mesophan>	What you are describing is beyond me.. sorry.
[16:34:16] <citronized>	arf, np
[16:34:21] <Mesophan>	but I imagine you'd need a custom "new page" form yes.
[16:35:23] <Mesophan>	a php-page that knows current categories, what the options are and where new pages should be created. Fill out, get a link to a new page already set up with proper categories and in the right subcontexts... 
[16:35:59] <citronized>	yup, something like that :)
[16:36:27] <Mesophan>	I dont know of any way (apart from a custom-made page) that can do that. But Im very new to MediaWiki, so there might be something like that
[16:37:40] <citronized>	well, i'll search harder then :)
[16:38:59] <citronized>	ty for your help, anyway ;)
[16:39:15] <Mesophan>	Dont know if I was of any help at all. :-(
[16:39:21] <citronized>	and Dharma too :)
[16:39:53] <Dharma>	citronized: sounds like it would be easier/quicker to just create 'stub' pages for each page and category, then set them up yourself. np, btw
[16:40:08] <Mesophan>	*nods*
[16:40:24] <citronized>	what are 'stub' pages ?
[16:40:40] <Mesophan>	Pre-made pages ready to be filled in.
[16:41:26] <Mesophan>	Like... you make a page and write: Please edit this page!
[16:42:06] <citronized>	oh, ok
[16:42:30] <Mesophan>	That way you already make the right category, right layout, right links etc. Just the way you want it.
[16:42:41] <Mesophan>	You only let other people fill in the actual information
[16:42:57] <citronized>	hum, i understand
[16:43:35] <NicDumZ>	et sinon, citronized, va farfouiller dans les pages d'aide de fr.wikipedia, il y a de quoi faire :)
[16:44:01] <Dharma>	they could still create new pages, but you would need to individually add them to the category page. still much easier, imo
[16:44:28] <citronized>	depends of the number of users :)
[16:44:39] <Mesophan>	and the number of expected pages... 
[16:44:51] <Dharma>	number of users shouldn't matter, it the number of pages which will affect it
[16:44:53] <citronized>	ok NicDumZ, j'irais faire un tour :)
[16:45:11] <citronized>	right Dharma ;)
[16:45:28] <NicDumZ>	you don't need to have pages being categorized before writting them
[16:45:28] <Dharma>	citronized: how many cars will be featured, roughly?
[16:45:37] <NicDumZ>	you can simple add a category later.
[16:45:46] <NicDumZ>	simply*
[16:46:13] <citronized>	Dharma: i think about 40,000 or so, for the 1:43 scale
[16:46:22] <Mesophan>	:-o
[16:46:30] <Dharma>	wow, didn't expect that many!
[16:47:02] <citronized>	yup, that's why i'm looking some automated inputs :)
[16:47:17] <Mesophan>	That would probably need a database-script to push directly to the DB... 
[16:47:32] <citronized>	perhaps, yup
[16:48:10] <citronized>	i don't know how can i create a DB for it, but i think you're right :)
[16:49:16] <Mesophan>	There is a DB in the background of the Wiki already. The web-pages is just a fancy way of using SQL to put data in, and get data out
[16:49:36] <citronized>	in my small collection, i have 500 models or so, but i know some user who have more then 2,000 models :/
[16:49:58] <Dharma>	citronized: don't forget though, the people creating the pages can still add them to the category. And people will still be able to find what they're after with a simple search.
[16:50:36] <citronized>	right Mesophan, i've configured phpMyAdmin :)
[16:51:25] <Mesophan>	apaches mod_rewrite could help you with makeing proper URL's I guess. An input-field where you could add keywords, have them re-written and presented as the correct url.
[16:51:55] <citronized>	that's a good idea
[16:52:25] <citronized>	dunno if my provider allows mod_rewrite, but i can find another one :)
[16:52:26] <Mesophan>	post-processing the [[Special:Orphans]] page and append with [[Category:Whatever]] on pages, based on the URL.. 
[16:52:39] <Mesophan>	doh!
[16:52:53] <Mesophan>	[[Special: Orphans]] ?
[16:52:55] <Mesophan>	yes
[16:53:43] <Dharma>	just went over my head. Good luck with your site citronized, bye all.
[16:54:33] <citronized>	for now, my wiki is set up on my mac, not on the web, if i well understand want you say, Mesophan 
[16:55:23] <citronized>	so everything is working properly, not sure it will work the same on the web...
[16:56:33] <citronized>	anyway, thank you two for ur help, i have to go
[16:56:49] <citronized>	bye ;)
[16:57:08] <Mesophan>	It probably will unless you've installed some odd extensions your provider cant install.
[17:01:54] *Skizzerz 	searches userlist for people who know how userCan works
[17:03:12] <Jakes>	My LocalSettings.php, for some reason unclear to me, doesn't have the end of code delimiter ?> Where should I put it? At the very end of the page?
[17:03:18] <Jack_Phoenix>	Jakes: don't put it.
[17:03:24] <Simetrical>	Jakes, it's unnecessary.
[17:03:33] *Skizzerz 	settles on AaronSchulz, considering it's one of his extensions that's causing the issue to begin with
[17:03:34] <Simetrical>	Just causes problems with extra whitespace being printed and messing up everything.
[17:03:56] <Jakes>	Ah, okay thanks. The Extensions manual mentioned it I thought I needed it
[17:05:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	any idea why this won't work? http://rafb.net/p/Ei7gdW80.html - I've removed the == "true" part, tried isset() and such...it's meant to be a per-wiki configuration setting, but somehow php doesn't get the fact it should require_once a file :)
[17:06:32] <NicDumZ>	yeah, definitely, dont use == "true"
[17:06:52] <NicDumZ>	:)
[17:08:35] <McCormack>	Brion: hi. I've made changes to the subpagelist extension following your comments. In particular, I addressed the cache problem simply by removing the cache disable call. Do you reckon simply switching back to normal caching will make the extension acceptable?
[17:08:51] <brion>	oy
[17:09:10] <Skizzerz>	hey, brion's online :D /me totally didn't see you in the user list :P
[17:09:23] <brion>	McCormack: well, it won't work super well without automated cache updates
[17:10:21] <Skizzerz>	anyway, if anyone has any free time, would they mind looking at the userCan hook part and saying why it isn't working? It runs and the parse function gives the correct result, but the $result variable doesn't seem to affect anything http://cabal.pastey.net/85095
[17:10:27] <McCormack>	Brion: I've thought about the user experience. Users will generally be heavily updating the page with the tag in it anyway. I reckon on going for a more complex dynamic version in v. 2. But perhaps keep it simple now and see how users react.
[17:10:43] <McCormack>	Does that sound sensible?
[17:11:20] <brion>	*nod*
[17:11:39] <MinuteElectron>	Skizzerz: Is it possible that the fact that you can't deny access to pages using it could be causing issues?
[17:11:53] <McCormack>	Brion: OK :) So can I dare to bother you to look at the code and consider activation?
[17:11:57] <NicDumZ>	Jack_Phoenix, where is this ? And where is $wgEnableSocial** set ? It must be something wrong with the declaration order :)
[17:12:06] <Skizzerz>	MinuteElectron: the issue is it's denying access to EVERY page, even the so-called "unlocked" ones
[17:12:44] <MinuteElectron>	oh, right k ;)
[17:13:08] <Jack_Phoenix>	NicDumZ, this is set in GlobalSettings.php (a smallish wiki-farm)...should I specify $wgEnableSocialTools = false; in includes/DefaultSettings.php?
[17:13:08] <brion>	McCormack: i'll put it on the list
[17:13:29] *McCormack 	hopes that the list is the really short one ;-)
[17:13:32] <McCormack>	Thanks!
[17:13:44] <NicDumZ>	Jack_Phoenix, no, not in DefaultSettings.
[17:14:28] <MrZ-man>	brion: whatever happened to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9862 ?
[17:15:10] <brion>	MrZ-man: presumably nothing
[17:15:25] <MrZ-man>	you said that it was on you list
[17:15:28] <MrZ-man>	*your
[17:16:31] <NicDumZ>	his list is very long :)
[17:16:52] <NicDumZ>	and it's not a FIFO ;)
[17:17:43] <MrZ-man>	its a configuration change for Wikimedia, it should be easy :)
[17:20:39] <NicDumZ>	(oh and by the way my list is empty, and I have nothing to do. Feel free to pile up anything in it)
[17:21:52] <Jack_Phoenix>	grumble...I wonder where I'm failing...
[17:22:23] <Skizzerz>	Jack_Phoenix: it starts with the last syllable of the software you're using and ends with the first vowel in the alphabet
[17:22:33] <Skizzerz>	s/syllable/word
[17:22:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	lulz
[17:22:45] <Jack_Phoenix>	that too :P
[17:22:56] <Jack_Phoenix>	but I'm just talking about one simple config setting
[17:22:59] <Jack_Phoenix>	stupid php...
[17:23:18] <Skizzerz>	!debug | Jack_Phoenix 
[17:23:18] --mwbot--	Jack_Phoenix: For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[17:25:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) API query returns two <page> elements - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13596  (10aaron)
[17:26:10] <PataSnella>	Hi
[17:26:33] <Skizzerz>	hi
[17:27:12] <Jack_Phoenix>	Skizz: ya, I know that page, edited it a bit even...anyway, set a few thing in globalsettings and these are the errors I'm getting:
[17:27:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	Notice: Undefined variable: wgEnableSocialTools in /home/www/GlobalSettings.php on line 70
[17:27:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/www/GlobalSettings.php:70) in /home/www/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[17:27:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/www/GlobalSettings.php:70) in /home/www/wiki/includes/WebResponse.php on line 10
[17:27:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	dunno wtf is wrong with line 10
[17:27:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	it's just this: $IP = "/home/www/wiki/";
[17:27:36] <Skizzerz>	BOM
[17:27:53] <Skizzerz>	!bom
[17:27:53] --mwbot--	The byte-order mark (BOM) is a special character added to files by some text editors, most notably, by Notepad. It is unnecessary and breaks PHP code. You should not use Notepad to edit PHP files. Alternatives for Windows include Notepad++, SciTE, EditPlus, and UltraEdit. 
[17:28:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	orly?
[17:28:35] <Skizzerz>	yarly
[17:28:42] <Jack_Phoenix>	I seez no BOM in notepad++'s hex editor
[17:28:46] <Skizzerz>	hmm
[17:29:01] <Skizzerz>	there are only two things I know of that cause that header warning
[17:29:43] <Mesophan>	mash it through a filter anyway I say... 
[17:29:45] *Skizzerz 	can't remember #2 though :P
[17:29:57] <Jack_Phoenix>	Skizz: aaaaand
[17:30:02] <NicDumZ>	and basically Jack_Phoenix wgEnableSocialTools, for some reasons, is not set when you are testing it.
[17:30:13] <Jack_Phoenix>	adding $wgEnableSocialTools = false; to globalsettings fixes those
[17:30:17] <Jack_Phoenix>	but
[17:30:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	the damn socialprofile file is *still* not required :/
[17:31:27] <NicDumZ>	indeed, because it will test for the value, and return false, hence not requiring the file.
[17:32:02] <NicDumZ>	make it true for now, and try again
[17:32:14] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.10tv.com/live/content/weather/weather.html
[17:32:14] <Jack_Phoenix>	I've set it on for one of the wikis
[17:32:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	if ( $wgSitename == "Fanon Wiki" ) {
[17:32:16] <Jack_Phoenix>	$wgEnableSocialTools = true;
[17:32:29] <AaronSchulz>	brion: 61° F, wo0t
[17:32:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	(nasty hack, I know, but...it works ;-)
[17:32:47] <Jack_Phoenix>	hoi AaronSchulz, still working on revisiondelete?
[17:32:56] <AaronSchulz>	brion: it was like 45 last night; I walked out this mornin in a huge coat
[17:33:04] <AaronSchulz>	felt pretty ridiculous
[17:33:08] <brion>	:P
[17:33:21] <brion>	if you want nice high temps move to florida
[17:33:26] <brion>	it's prolly like 80 today
[17:33:27] <NicDumZ>	are you sure of this ? add a wfDebug("wgEnableSocialTools has been set to true\n") just next to this line.
[17:33:43] <NicDumZ>	*in* the if.
[17:33:50] <AaronSchulz>	Jack_Phoenix: in the sense that I am "working on MW"
[17:34:12] <AaronSchulz>	anyway, it should be run-able and complete by now
[17:34:24] <Jack_Phoenix>	Aaron: \o/
[17:36:31] <AaronSchulz>	The server at webmail.osu.edu is taking too long to respond
[17:36:37] <AaronSchulz>	wheeee
[17:36:52] <AaronSchulz>	perhaps that has to do with the java migration
[17:37:02] <AaronSchulz>	it does look better now (when it worked)
[17:41:01] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) "Invalid action" error page links to deleted article version(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13610  +comment (10brion)
[17:43:56] <Skizzerz>	AaronSchulz: any idea why your CreateAccount extension messes with wgTitle (in particular it never gets defined)
[17:44:13] <AaronSchulz>	CreateAccount?
[17:44:18] <Skizzerz>	blah
[17:44:20] <Skizzerz>	ConfirmAccount
[17:44:46] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:Whatlinkshere display could be sorted - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13614  (10brion)
[17:45:33] <Skizzerz>	anyway, in a hook I use for an extension, it globals $wgTitle. If your extension isn't installed, $wgTitle is defined. If it is installed, $wgTitle is not defined, and I can't figure out why
[17:49:46] <AaronSchulz>	worksforme
[17:49:55] <Skizzerz>	=/
[17:49:57] <AaronSchulz>	as well as CZ
[17:50:16] <AaronSchulz>	perhaps some error occurs that causes code paths not to execute?
[17:50:41] <Skizzerz>	I'm calling wgTitle from the UserGetRights hook
[17:51:12] <Skizzerz>	so maybe there's a bug in how the hook operates...
[17:52:24] <NicDumZ>	brion, I'm not sure I got your comment on #13614 :)
[17:52:42] <brion>	NicDumZ: meaning what?
[17:53:26] <NicDumZ>	you are saving that... Ordering the *display* is problematic because the user could think that there is some global order underlying ?
[17:53:32] <PataSnella>	I've ha problem with statistics, example: there are ' pages.. i see ' and no number o.o
[17:58:28] <brion>	NicDumZ: yes, page to page is still completely random
[17:59:37] <NicDumZ>	yes, it is still based on page_id, and doing it another way, because of the manual "join" between templatelinks and pagelinks seems hard to do.
[18:01:20] <NicDumZ>	but do you think that allowing the user to have a clearer per page display, if not consistent with the global sorting order, is fundamentally bad ?
[18:24:51] <PataSnella>	site_stats table in database is empty o.o How I can update statistics of my wiki?
[18:25:17] <brion>	run initStats
[18:25:38] <PataSnella>	How to?
[18:27:23] <PataSnella>	Ah, ok, thanks
[18:29:12] <PataSnella>	uhm.. <This script must be run from the command line> but i use a shared server
[18:29:30] <PataSnella>	it's a freehosting site =|
[18:29:30] <siebrand>	JeLuF: ping?
[18:35:45] <RickZilla>	Having a tough time linking to images...how do I link to an image outside of the Wiki?  Or...can I just upload an image to my wiki folder via ftp and just link to it from there?  Thanks in advance for your help.
[18:41:21] <RickZilla>	Everybody gone for the day?
[18:41:45] <Skizzerz>	!externalimages | RickZilla 
[18:41:45] --mwbot--	RickZilla: To allow images from elsewhere to be included in your wiki, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages>. To limit this to some specific sources, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImagesFrom>.
[18:42:08] <^demon>	I've got a different question on images. Is there a way to allow multiple image namespaces?
[18:43:38] <Skizzerz>	none that I know of
[18:44:20] <^demon>	That's what I thought. I was thinking setting up an alias to the main Image: namespace from my custom namespace (for dev, Image2:), and seeing if that would do what I'd like.
[18:44:25] <^demon>	I figured not.
[18:45:04] <RickZilla>	Where would I find the string of text to set to true?  $wgAllowExternalImages
[18:48:23] <RickZilla>	Skizzerz:  Sorry, where do I find !externalimages?  Not sure what to do with that command
[18:48:37] <Skizzerz>	RickZilla: no, click on the link
[18:49:22] <RickZilla>	Skizzerz:  Got it, thanks
[18:49:40] <^demon>	Skizzerz: Didn't work, you were right.
[18:50:26] <RickZilla>	Skizzerz:  Do I put that line in the Local Settings file?
[18:50:32] <Skizzerz>	yes
[18:51:31] <RickZilla>	Skizzerz:  And the IP address would be that of my web host
[18:51:40] <Skizzerz>	no, use $IP
[18:51:46] <Skizzerz>	wait... what?
[18:52:14] <Skizzerz>	just set it to "true"
[18:53:25] <RickZilla>	Skizzerz:  Ok, so I put the line $wgAllowExternalImages:true in my Local Settings file
[18:53:40] <Skizzerz>	$wgAllowExternalImages = true;
[18:54:23] <RickZilla>	= true; that's right
[18:54:36] <RickZilla>	Thanks a ton for your help, I'll give that  a whirl
[18:57:29] <RickZilla>	Still not sure how to link to that image, though
[18:57:40] <RickZilla>	All I'm getting is the url path to the image
[18:59:32] <RickZilla>	What's the correct mediawiki syntax for linking to that external image, once I've got it set to "true" in my Local Settings file?
[19:02:51] <RickZilla>	Need some help on this:  Thanks in advance, not sure where to proceed from here
[19:07:39] <CIA-44>	03aaron * r32795 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: Restrict this page
[19:08:02] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32793 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
[19:08:02] <CIA-44>	expanded rss header
[19:08:02] <CIA-44>	removed extra wiki page link
[19:17:59] <Viper550>	I'm having some issues
[19:18:30] <jsaxton>	I want to be emailed every time any page is edited or created. Is there an easy way to do this?
[19:18:45] <jsaxton>	Right now I've just hacked the source so it does the trick, but I'd like to implement a more elegant solution
[19:18:55] <Simetrical>	jsaxton, yes, there's a setting for it.
[19:18:57] <Simetrical>	!config
[19:18:57] --mwbot--	All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_MediaWiki>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php>, <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Config_script>
[19:19:07] *Simetrical 	tries to remember what it's called
[19:19:16] <Simetrical>	!c wgUserNotifiedOnAllChanges
[19:19:16] --mwbot--	I don't know anything about "c". You might try: !adminsettings !answer !bizzwiki !centralauth !cms !conf !csshideheader !domdocument !dpl !dumphtml !feeds !imagemagic !interwiki !ldap !renameuser !rewriteproblems !smtp !thanks !threads !webrequest 
[19:19:31] <Viper550>	http://rafb.net/p/83eVF428.html is my error
[19:20:34] <Viper550>	anyone?
[19:21:17] <JeLuF>	siebrand: pong
[19:21:22] <Simetrical>	jsaxton, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgUsersNotifedOnAllChanges
[19:21:44] <jsaxton>	Viper550, I think you need to move the LocalSettings.php file from $MEDIAWIKI_ROOT/config/ to $MEDIAWIKI_ROOT/
[19:21:52] <jsaxton>	Simetrical, thanks
[19:21:53] <Viper550>	I did
[19:22:07] <jsaxton>	do a chmod +r LocalSettings.php
[19:22:19] <Viper550>	how I do that in filezilla?
[19:22:32] <Simetrical>	Viper550, try right-clicking, look for "chmod" or "permissions" or something, make sure it's readable.
[19:22:40] <Simetrical>	It should be readable anyway, though.
[19:22:58] <Viper550>	k, it's 600
[19:23:48] <Simetrical>	Viper550, try 666.
[19:23:50] <jsaxton>	Viper550, make it 644
[19:24:01] <Viper550>	hmm, 644 or the mark of the devil?
[19:24:20] <jsaxton>	666 makes it readable or writable by anyone
[19:24:30] <jsaxton>	644 makees it readable, but not writable, by anyone
[19:24:42] <jsaxton>	either one should work, though
[19:25:20] <Viper550>	yes I got it
[19:26:00] <Viper550>	ooooh this is what being a wikipedia admin feels like XD lol
[19:33:10] <Viper550>	also, is there any way to specify a dual-license between GFDL and CC-BY-SA?
[19:37:35] <Simetrical>	Viper550, sure.
[19:38:03] <Viper550>	also, as mentioned, is it possible to specify a dual-license between GFDL and CC-BY-SA?
[19:40:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Ability to block vandal IPs across all wikis - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13612  (10bd2412)
[19:41:45] <mshadle>	is there a way to turn on some sort of debug log on the filesystem that tells me what is going on with MW? i keep being sent back to the main page and i dont know why
[19:42:39] <mshadle>	hmm.
[19:43:23] <NicDumZ>	is there is any current integration of bugzilla in mediawiki ? I see AuthBugzilla, but is there any other work to have Bugzilla and MW work together ?
[19:43:24] <MrZ-man>	!debug
[19:43:24] --mwbot--	For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug>.
[19:43:39] <Simetrical>	NicDumZ, not that I know of.
[19:44:09] <NicDumZ>	ahhh. Interesting. Mozilla GSoC ideas list "Integrate Bugzilla with a Wiki". :)
[19:44:32] <mshadle>	yeah im right there
[19:45:45] <mshadle>	can someone look at this? http://mikehost.com/~mike/tmp/mw.txt - does that give any info on why i can't edit the pagE?
[20:07:30] <cary>	I have a caller who needs technical assistance with Mediawiki
[20:07:34] <cary>	A female caller
[20:07:37] <cary>	where is the best place to send them
[20:07:49] <NicDumZ>	here, I'd say.
[20:07:51] <mshadle>	it never enters "EditPage::edit: enter" mode
[20:07:58] <cary>	without having to train her in IRC
[20:08:06] <mshadle>	is she hot?
[20:08:10] <cary>	She sounds hot
[20:08:15] <Simetrical>	o_O
[20:08:21] <cary>	Give me an email address to send her to
[20:08:25] *Simetrical 	wonders about the relevance of the female part, that it deserved its own line
[20:08:28] <cary>	or a bulletin board
[20:08:36] <cary>	Simetrical: I know how developers are
[20:08:45] <cary>	or a wiki page
[20:08:46] <mshadle>	nervous?
[20:08:47] <mshadle>	horny?
[20:09:23] <mshadle>	$10 to whoemever can figure out why EditPage::edit never gets called
[20:09:27] <MrZ-man>	cary: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Help
[20:09:44] <MrZ-man>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk
[20:10:04] <NicDumZ>	and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Contents is good to start, too
[20:10:40] <cary>	thanks.
[20:10:42] <cary>	I gave her both links
[20:11:15] <^demon>	You could also tell her that no support is given unless you fix at least 30 bugs first.
[20:11:27] <cary>	thanks all
[20:11:29] <cary>	heh
[20:14:25] <lymeca>	I moved a MediaWiki installation earlier and not every single image thumb copied over originally so the pages with said thumbs displayed errors within them.
[20:14:33] <lymeca>	I've since replace the thumbs with the proper JPEGs
[20:15:21] <lymeca>	but the errors are still in the page
[20:16:16] <NicDumZ>	The idea of trying to get bugzilla and mediawiki cooperate more is very interesting. I'm wondering, tho, what can be done, not in a technical way, but in a more global POV... Setting links between both apps is easy, but I'm wondering what else could be done actually.
[20:16:27] <NicDumZ>	Having bug pages and wiki pages apart ?
[20:16:45] <NicDumZ>	hehe that's definitely challenging xD
[20:18:07] <mshadle>	isnt that kinda reinventing the wheel?c cugh trac cough
[20:18:10] <mshadle>	cough
[20:20:37] <NicDumZ>	trac wiki is quite limited, from what I remember. And trying to have more coop between these two apps sounds attracting, doesnt it ?
[20:21:32] <^demon>	NicDumZ: I guess making Bugzilla use the SUL database would be nice. Not sure how /needed/ it is really.
[20:22:22] <NicDumZ>	I'm not really talking about MW bugzilla in particular in fact
[20:33:20] <brick_ijigg>	what query can i use to get the list of disambiguation links?
[20:33:49] <brick_ijigg>	e.g. for "Truffle" i want Tuber (genus), Chocolate truffle
[20:34:23] <brick_ijigg>	would i have to test for Category:Disambiguation, get page contents and then parse out every link? (yuck.)
[20:35:12] <NicDumZ>	mediawiki is not actually treating differently disambig pages from normal pages
[20:35:35] <NicDumZ>	so, yes, something along the lines of browsing a category
[20:37:31] <brick_ijigg>	thanks NicDumZ, i thought maybe there was already a facility for this
[20:40:58] <brick_ijigg>	any suggestions on identifying the best suited links from the list?
[20:41:08] <brick_ijigg>	in this example, '''Truffle''' or '''Truffles''' may refer to:
[20:41:08] <brick_ijigg>	* [[Tuber (genus)]], the edible truffles usually referred to when the word is used in connection with food
[20:41:08] <brick_ijigg>	* [[Chocolate truffle]], a chocolate confection.
[20:41:08] <brick_ijigg>	* Various kinds of [[hypogeous]] fungi other than that mentioned above, including [[Ascomycetes]], [[Basidiomycetes]], [[Glomeromycetes]], and [[Zygomycetes]]
[20:41:27] <brick_ijigg>	i think "hypogeous" should be excluded as an option
[20:42:43] <brick_ijigg>	maybe only links right after the bullet point are the good ones
[20:42:57] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Add a Slideshow template to English Wikipedia based on existing French functionality (see Village Pump discussion) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12222  +comment (10stevend811)
[20:58:07] <CIA-44>	03dale * r32794 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/specials/MV_SpecialExport.php: fixed category rss feeds regression
[21:06:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Invalid action" error page links to deleted article version(s) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13610  (10bugzilla.wikimedia)
[21:22:42] <Sundance_Raphael>	n8
[21:40:33] <Nikerabbit>	ugh
[21:41:18] <Nikerabbit>	AaronSchulz: it seems like enhanced cl is missing some log entries and they are also bugged in my extension
[21:58:15] <Nikerabbit>	oh *hi.. the logs are now under pages...
[22:24:32] <menace>	how can i place a picture in a mediawiki, where, when i click on it, i will be redirected to a topic but not to the picture-description-page?
[22:27:19] <MinuteElectron>	You cannot, but if you install the Click extension you can use that to do that.
[22:27:29] <MinuteElectron>	!extension Click | menace 
[22:27:29] --mwbot--	menace: MediaWiki has been built so it can easily be customized by adding extensions. This is usually a simple process. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Extensions> for instructions to install extensions, as well as for writing them. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix> for an overview of known extensions.
[22:27:35] <MinuteElectron>	!e Click | menace 
[22:27:35] --mwbot--	menace: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Click
[22:30:06] <PauloZanoni>	someone tell me if I'm wrong (or right): according to what I read, there is NO safe way of preventing unregistered users from viewing/editing the pages on the "discussion" namespace, right?
[22:30:20] <derwin>	!access | PauloZanoni 
[22:30:20] --mwbot--	PauloZanoni: For information on customizing user access, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_rights>. For common examples of restricting access using both rights and extensions, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access>.
[22:51:49] *Skizzerz 	kicks CIA-44 
[22:52:07] <Skizzerz>	...
[22:57:23] <Skizzerz>	tale: you there?
[23:00:55] <Pathoschild>	Hmm. Hidden categories seem to ignore <includeonly> and conditionals.
[23:20:02] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	is there a tool or an extension to do mass reverts?
[23:21:20] <Skizzerz>	gsdgfsdgdfg: mass revert or mass delete?
[23:21:35] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	mass revert (page moves)
[23:21:48] <Skizzerz>	i don't think anything exists for that
[23:22:14] <Skizzerz>	if you're good with bots you can make one to do it, but I don't think any extensions exist for that
[23:22:31] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	not familiar with Python
[23:22:56] <Skizzerz>	then again I might be wrong, so browse the extension matrix and hope you find something: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_matrix
[23:23:12] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	searched there already, came here as a last resort
[23:23:40] <Skizzerz>	well, I'm making one, but it won't be finished for quite a while
[23:24:20] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	for the Pywikipedia framework?
[23:24:26] <Skizzerz>	no, an extension
[23:24:40] <Skizzerz>	kinda like Nuke, but for rollbacks
[23:26:49] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	how long before you think you'll have a beta/alpha up?
[23:27:53] <Skizzerz>	6 months would be a hopeful answer
[23:28:07] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	heh, I doubt that'll do us any good
[23:28:11] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	thanks anyway
[23:28:12] <Mike_lifeguard>	Skizzerz: something like bug 13601?
[23:28:13] <Skizzerz>	yeah :P
[23:28:22] <Skizzerz>	!b 13601
[23:28:22] --mwbot--	http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13601
[23:29:47] <Skizzerz>	Mike_lifeguard: yeah, I was planning something like that, minus the deletions since Nuke already covered that... but it's simple copy/paste and some attribution to include it in mine
[23:30:54] <Mike_lifeguard>	cool beans
[23:31:18] <gsdgfsdgdfg>	hopefully adding support to include certain time frames?
[23:31:23] <Mike_lifeguard>	nuking images is really the more important part of that bug, but having /moar powahh/ is always better :DD
[23:31:27] <Skizzerz>	currently I have the framework for the form and the registering of the special page, but nothing else
[23:32:01] <Skizzerz>	making effective queries that don't overtax the server is very challenging