[00:13:58] 03aaron * r32935 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Use page_latest, not the one before it [00:22:19] 03dale * r32936 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/ (MV_MetavidInterface/MV_Overlay.php MV_ParserCache.php): cache naming bug [00:49:50] 03(NEW) Sitenotice is always displayed in site language, never translated although translations exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13647 major; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (danny_b) [00:49:59] Hi - can anyone tell me why these pages appear differently even though I am using the exact same wiki code [00:50:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Wrestling_event [00:50:01] and [00:50:04] http://wrestlerpedia.com/info/Template:Infobox_wrestling_event [00:50:22] differences: the top box is on the left instead of right [00:50:27] and has no black outline [00:50:33] yet the wiki code is exactly the same [00:51:45] ? [00:52:14] HypedZJ: "Wrestling" is redirected to "wrestling" .. they should be identical [00:53:28] brion broke OTRS? [00:53:47] yep [00:53:54] he's fixing it though [00:54:00] so let's not ping him :-) [00:54:05] refer to him with bri-on [00:55:22] Noirb [00:55:42] HypedZJ: on wrestlerpedia, the have CSS class "infobox" is not defined in your Common.css: http://wrestlerpedia.com/info/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:55:51] compare with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [00:55:59] ok thank you! [01:09:52] 03aaron * r32937 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/ (populateParentId.php updaters.inc): Add a script to populate rev_parent_id [01:20:43] 03(mod) Blocking and tagging from checkuser interface - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12808 (10mapellegrini) [01:23:33] I'm trying to import an xml dump, and I get: DB connection error: Access denied for user 'wikidb'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost) [01:23:49] Which part of this have I screwed up? [01:24:39] do you have an AdminSettings.php file set up? [01:25:28] !AdminSettings | amgine [01:25:28] --mwbot-- amgine: AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details. [01:26:34] !del AdminSettings [01:26:34] --mwbot-- I don't know anything about "del". You might try: !deleteuser !protect [01:26:41] !AdminSettings is AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details. [01:26:41] --mwbot-- Keyword "adminsettings" already exists. Use "!adminsettings del" to remove it. [01:26:50] !AdminSettings del [01:26:50] --mwbot-- Successfully removed keyword: adminsettings [01:26:52] !AdminSettings is AdminSettings.php is an additional configuration file for use with command line maintenance scripts. See AdminSettings.sample in your installation directory for details. [01:26:52] --mwbot-- Successfully added keyword: adminsettings [01:50:00] Anyone there? I see a lot of users, but don't see any chatting going on... [01:50:54] it's very quiet. are you looking for anyone in particular? [01:51:54] I'm looking for general help- I have an installation of MediaWiki that's loading pages at a snail pace. [01:52:10] http://www.bjaodn.org [01:52:31] I was running 1.11.1, then upgraded to 1.12, and now it's slow. [01:52:42] I tried downgrading to 1.11.2, but it's still slow. [01:53:05] And the only thing I carried over was the database. Everything else, excluding the config files, uploads, and extensions, was nuked. [01:54:10] *nwwaew hopes that someone knows how to fix this... [01:55:59] I'm running Apache 1.3.41, PHP 5, and MySQL 5.0.45-community, on a shared Lunarpages server. And it's not the shared server that's the problem- the issue started when I upgraded. [01:56:27] nwwaew: ya, that thing is mad slow. [01:56:53] That's a big understatement. [01:57:32] nwwaew: how did you import? [01:57:46] Import the database? [01:57:50] just run the SQL file? [01:57:51] ya [01:58:22] I left the database intact, then used that for the database when I installed. [01:58:39] ah [01:59:06] Yeah. [01:59:39] Main page - Served in 18.449 secs. [01:59:44] OUCH. [01:59:46] nwwaew: just a random thought, how big is the job queue? [01:59:51] 0 [01:59:57] ;-) [01:59:59] Dunno. [02:00:05] it's at 0, i checked [02:00:13] Okay. [02:00:20] Yeah, it's a pretty quiet wiki. [02:00:51] pull it out of readonly? [02:01:23] Not yet. Want me to? [02:02:00] I don't think there were any db changes for 1.12 [02:02:07] ya [02:02:32] Done. [02:02:46] It's now read and write mode. [02:03:30] seems faster [02:03:33] [02:03:34] w00t [02:03:52] WTF? [02:03:59] Just taking out of read/write mode did that? [02:04:03] *nwwaew is stunned... [02:04:07] *TimLaqua shrugs [02:04:24] i interpret "read only mode" as "not normal" [02:04:38] special:statistics is much much faster now [02:04:43] Yeah, I only put it into read-only when I'm doing upgrades, or working on the database. [02:04:50] how did you set it in read-only mode? [02:04:56] $wgReadOnly [02:05:02] odd [02:05:06] I switched it back to read only. [02:05:15] Lets see if it went slow again. [02:05:16] oh, now it's mad [02:05:21] you made a syntax error [02:05:47] Fixed. [02:06:07] still pretty quick [02:06:08] And it's running fine in read-only mode now... [02:06:17] no idea [02:06:24] *TimLaqua shrugs again [02:06:40] I have no idea what to think now. [02:07:02] I've seen MediaWiki be crazy slow right after a move [02:07:12] And that fixes it? [02:07:22] it just always seemed to go away on it's own for me [02:07:24] ;-) [02:07:26] I guess you just won "Stump the Developers on IRC" [02:07:46] I'm not a developer in any sense of the word [02:07:57] but I don't know why it was slow and now isn't [02:08:06] magic [02:08:08] Neither do I. I assume it's just "one of those things". [02:08:17] Thanks for the help, everyone. [02:08:23] np [02:08:36] Now, I'm going to see if I can get this upgraded to 1.12. [02:08:49] And there are database changes, according to the readme. [02:09:22] I didn't see any in updaters.inc [02:09:49] but you ran update.php anyway, right? [02:10:02] I can't. [02:10:21] I have shell access to the server, but PHP 5 is enabled through cPanel. [02:10:27] the web install method works fine [02:10:34] what were the db changes? [02:10:38] Yeah- I reinstall the software entirely. [02:10:57] how did you migrate the db? [02:11:11] I just left it, and told the installer to use it. [02:11:44] And there's several schema changes, according to this. [02:11:55] http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/tags/REL1_12_0/phase3/RELEASE-NOTES [02:11:55] right - that could be part of the problem [02:12:12] Then that is a serious problem. [02:12:24] Because I don't think I can run update scripts from the shell, without PHP 5. [02:13:42] nwwaew: the web installer will upgrade the db [02:13:52] Excellent! [02:14:14] make sure you use the same prefix, same db, same admin user, etc. [02:14:39] I do. [02:16:04] are the schema changes documented anywhere? [02:16:23] I haven't seen any documentation yet. [02:21:49] well, hopefully the web install script will fix everything [02:22:05] Yeah, same here. [02:22:09] the upgrading docs also suggest 'phpshell' as a possible way to run the update script [02:22:24] I've tried that before. No dice here. [02:22:53] I use the web updater on a few godaddy hosted sites, and update.php on some local servers - never had problems w/ either method [02:23:26] MrZman: Actually, yes, I have the AdminSettings.php set up. [02:24:20] Sorry, MrZ-man [02:24:24] hmm, incorrect password or username there is the only thing I could think of that would cause that [02:24:41] Yah, that's what's confusing me as well. [02:25:17] you could try creating another user [02:25:27] Trying that now. [02:27:04] alternatively, you could use mwdumper [02:27:09] !mwdumper [02:27:09] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mwdumper [02:27:50] I was using mwdumper when it imploded about 3 hours into it. [02:28:00] :S [02:28:02] I don't know how to restart it where it left of. [02:28:04] off. [02:28:54] import seems to be working... no output from it, but the new account is working. [02:47:55] er, quick dumb question. I have an example of a link, http://www.foo.com, I want in the page, but I don't an actual link. How do I prevent it from being interpreted as a link? [02:48:34] http://www.foo.com [02:48:40] ahhhh. Thanks. [02:48:47] Is there any easy way to have mediawiki spit out an ical file? so people's calendars in outlook, thunderbird etc, can automatically be updated with a particular page/variable? [02:48:52] for my lug, www.lilug.org [02:49:15] unstable: that that I know of, but there might be something in the extension matrix [02:49:57] !extensionmatrix [02:49:57] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_matrix [02:54:06] unstable: if you don't find an extension that does it, throw an request in the Extension Request page - i'll take a look. [02:55:08] heh. I'd be interested in an ical extension of some form... [02:55:21] Especially one tied in to a tide event generator. [02:55:29] What about a DVIM-extension? [03:03:53] Where is the extension request page? [03:05:33] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_requests [04:39:03] hi folks [04:39:14] I'm trying to change the skin for every user in my wiki [04:40:07] in the setup I have to work with, I don't have php-cli so I can't run the maintenance script like recommended on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration [04:40:25] but I do have access to a phpMyAdmin and to the command line mysql tool [04:40:49] but I don't know enough to know how to edit the blob "user_options" in the user table. [04:41:31] in phpMyAdmin, it says the field is of type "blob" and there's a button to upload a replacement value, but I couldn't figure out how to download the current value (to edit it) [04:42:06] in the cli mysql, I can see that the blob is in fact a bunch of key/value pairs, but I don't know enough SQL to figure out how to modify just the one line in the blob. [04:42:13] can anybody help? [04:49:51] hello [04:50:45] whats the best way for me to get short urls for a wiki tthat is in sub directory and still have a websitee in the root of the doomain [04:58:39] roboman: you could use an alias if you have access to the apache config. or use a domain prefix (wiki.domain.com) if that's an option (you need to have access to both the apache config and the DNS then) [04:59:01] roboman: or just rename that wiki directory to make it shorter ;) [05:00:23] 'ok [05:00:50] so since I dont have root acces, is using a aubdomain the best way to do it? [05:01:41] I can create subdomains but dont have root access [05:01:48] roboman: a subdomain isn't an option, unless you can define virtual hosts for apache, which usually requires root rights [05:02:55] ok [05:15:54] moring [05:36:09] I got it working with a subdomain [05:36:16] thanx [05:37:49] *Werdna waves [05:39:21] *amidaniel beats Werdna over the head with a tire iron [05:50:56] 03aaron * r32938 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Check if rev_parent_id is set first [06:05:19] *Lady_Aleena skulks into the channel. [06:10:13] *amidaniel waves to Lady_Aleena [06:10:30] *Lady_Aleena waves amidaniel. [06:12:37] amidaniel: what did I do now? :( [06:13:01] *Lady_Aleena waves Werdna. [06:13:24] Werdna: Just my new way of greeting people. [06:13:25] *Werdna waves TimStarling [06:13:47] hello [06:14:02] *amidaniel waves to TimStarling too [06:14:04] *Lady_Aleena waves TimStarling too. :) [06:14:14] Don't you feel loved? :) [06:14:31] I don't wave to anyone, I just pick them up and wave them about. :) [06:15:50] hey [06:15:55] *Splarka wonders why ami didn't iron tim [06:16:20] He didn't seem to have any wrinkles. [06:16:29] *Lady_Aleena waves AaronSchulz and Splarka and realizes she wishes she had an IRC template to do it. ;) [06:17:16] I was seriously considering making a template for the creation of Assessment pages. I mean the whole page. [06:17:28] for s in `/names`; do wave $s ; done [06:17:52] *Werdna stabs amidaniel for using bash scripting [06:18:05] amidaniel: I am not sure that I can do that with Trillian. [06:18:13] dammit, somebody wrote PAGESINCATEGORY magic word [06:18:18] bastard.. that was my bug for today [06:18:43] *Lady_Aleena bounces on her tippy toes. [06:18:45] Does it work? [06:19:01] *amidaniel bashes Werdna over the head with a red-hot poker [06:20:04] {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Doctor Who}} gives me a redlink. [06:20:12] Lady_Aleena: it's not live yet [06:20:16] and it'd be #pagesincategory [06:20:45] Do you know when it will be live? [06:21:09] the usual, next scap [06:21:16] scap? [06:22:11] *TimStarling newbie sensor alert [06:22:15] !scap | Lady_Aleena [06:22:15] --mwbot-- Lady_Aleena: Sync-Common-All-PHP - this is when SVN changes are synchronised to the application servers. For further information, see [06:22:31] *amidaniel pets mwbot [06:23:40] Okay, when will that be, pretty please? TimStarling, I am a newbie on this channel, however I have been editing on and off for about 2 years. [06:24:32] I love playing with templates. [06:24:44] it looks like the schema update is finished [06:24:54] it's a discussion for #wikimedia-tech, anyway [06:25:28] TimStarling: Which discussion? My enjoyment of fiddling with templates or the update question? [06:26:19] the things I have to do before a scap are a discussion for #wikimedia-tech [06:26:24] Also, is there a discussion page somewhere for PAGESINCATEGORY? [06:26:59] Tim, are you a god? [06:28:29] *AaronSchulz rolls eyes ;) [06:28:43] *Lady_Aleena giggles. [06:30:46] 03tstarling * r32939 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/archives/upgradeLogging.php: Fixed progress output [06:41:30] miranda is everywhere [06:41:36] there's no place to hide =( [06:43:30] nokmar: That is not a bad thing as far as I know. [06:44:15] as far as I know, Miranda is a horrible person [06:44:27] I remember ##cremepuff222 was created to get away from her [06:47:22] 14(DUP) alternative thumbnail not possible - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11816 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [06:47:27] 03(mod) Thumb= parameter on images - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13624 +comment (10raimond.spekking) [07:13:29] 03siebrand * r32940 10/trunk/phase3/maintenance/language/messages.inc: Add new messages to messages.inc [07:14:01] good morning siebrand [07:24:35] 03siebrand * r32941 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (36 files): Localisation updates for core messages from Betawiki (2008-04-08 08:39 CEST) [07:26:48] 03nikerabbit * r32942 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: * Add a class for styling [07:26:59] -> shower [07:28:22] ok, updated to r32942 [07:33:42] Errors parsing /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.5/extensions/GlobalUsage/GlobalUsageDaemon.php [07:35:57] 03tstarling * r32943 10/trunk/extensions/GlobalUsage/GlobalUsageDaemon.php: fixed parse error [07:36:20] 03siebrand * r32944 10/trunk/extensions/ (68 files in 66 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from Betawiki (2008-04-08 08:39 CEST) [07:40:00] I love mediawiki [07:40:59] I committed GlobalBlocking a day ago, and it's now in bulgarian, german, galician, luxembourghish, dutch, norwegian, slovak, serbian cyrilliic ekavian, swedish, vietnamese [07:41:14] 03aaron * r32945 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Revision.php: Consistent case [07:43:01] Werdna: I said you will be happy :) [07:43:17] hehe [07:44:38] TimStarling: dodgy population of rev_parent_id [07:44:52] in fact, rev_parent_id will be populated to all zeroes. [07:45:19] 03(mod) Single login (Unified login) on all wikimedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57 (10anon.hui) [07:49:41] 03siebrand * r32946 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAf.php: Fix namespace names [08:01:26] 03(NEW) New Zealand Timezone - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13648 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (certain.shadow) [08:04:02] 03(mod) New parser breaks some template expansion in Semantic MediaWiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12906 +comment (10nicolas.brouard) [08:09:49] Werdna: ooh the whining started? :o [08:09:59] or the slowness [08:10:01] Nikerabbit: where? [08:10:05] Werdna: about the logs [08:10:13] they are slow as fuck [08:10:13] haha [08:10:30] Aaron|sleep: yeah, that's good, the can't access them to whine about :o [08:10:39] hehe [08:11:15] <_wooz> lo [08:12:26] Werdna: bah there is only to – there [08:29:12] hello [08:29:17] need help [08:29:21] With? [08:29:39] how do I delete permanently files please? [08:29:52] 03(NEW) wfTimestamp() called with illegal output type - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13649 04CRIT; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (nicolas.brouard) [08:30:02] YK_SysRes: What type of file? [08:30:19] pics [08:30:30] Did you upload them? [08:30:40] i delete them, but they're still here ready to restore [08:30:47] yes [08:31:31] When Wikipedia comes back up, you can also post your request on the appropriate deletion page. [08:32:17] ?* [08:32:36] YK_SysRes: is it on your own wiki or a wikimedia wiki? [08:32:42] what's wikipedia has to do about it? [08:32:53] I guess I should have asked that first. [08:32:54] ye my own wiki [08:33:05] example [08:33:24] right, there is a setting, to have deleted files stored or not [08:33:39] Oh, then I don't have any idea. Sorry. [08:33:48] http://wiki.no.intro.free.fr/index.php?title=Image:SNSP-RI-FAH-PCB.jpg&action=history [08:34:27] why the deleted files are still here goddamnit [08:34:47] it is a setting [08:34:58] really? [08:35:00] and only sysops can (usually) see them [08:35:06] I can set it to perm delete? [08:35:13] is there an extension to be able to flag the articles (I mean that normal users can notify moderators that the content of an article should be reviewed or deleted) [08:35:41] Piero, example? [08:35:53] Piero> this can be easily done with a few templates [08:35:58] there is an article lets say with racism in it [08:36:17] i want to tell the admin that it should be removed [08:36:26] by clicking on something [08:36:36] Piero, have you tried working it out with the other editors of the article? [08:36:41] i think there is a template to mark a page for deletion [08:36:53] i mean, i know how to program it, but it would be better if i could use something already made [08:37:19] YK_SysRes: hmm, that file is viewable though, and you tried action=delete ? [08:37:30] it's better to avoid extensions when possible [08:37:38] they tend to break with updates [08:37:39] Piero: Try {{POV}} for the article or section. I think that is the name of the template. [08:37:40] really..? [08:37:54] yeah [08:37:55] http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:omBA5i1qw50J:www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgSaveDeletedFiles+site:mediawiki.org+wgSaveDeletedFiles&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:OdNOJeSWFG0J:www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileStore+site:mediawiki.org+wgFileStore&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us (caches, mediawiki.org is a bit slow or down atm) [08:38:03] i just had {{POV}} in an article? [08:38:28] you need to write the template too [08:39:05] Piero: That will alert other editors that there is a problem needing resolution. You could also open a dialog on the article's talk page about the problem. [08:39:37] the first link is deprecated [08:39:43] can someone help me on the perm deletion stuff? [08:39:53] Piero: depends on version [08:40:03] not everyone runs trunk [08:40:04] i want to perm delete files as I run out of space in my server [08:40:06] Piero: I would be more precise, but Wikipdia is down or awfully slow at the moment. [08:40:28] YK_SysRes: what do you want to do sorry? [08:40:28] YK_SysRes: are you a sysop? [08:40:38] i'm the site owner [08:41:08] you may have to go to the folder and remove the hash file directly [08:41:26] but that still doesn't answer the question, is your account on the wiki set to 'sysop'? ^_^ [08:41:46] yeah sysop, bureaucratt etc... [08:41:52] all possible powers [08:42:00] YK_SysRes: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads#Undeleting_images [08:42:17] right, so is the image you want deleted this one? http://wiki.no.intro.free.fr/images/b/b6/SNSP-RI-FAH-PCB.jpg [08:42:27] or an older version that has already been 'deleted' ? [08:42:52] Duesentrieb> WOW thanks just what I needed [08:43:02] (note that we can only see that one, of the URL you gave us) [08:43:19] So i found that: [08:43:20] [08:43:28] And then what, i just add it at the bottom of the article? [08:43:53] *Splarka linked to Manual:$wgFileStore earlier... bah [08:43:55] Top of the article or section. [08:43:56] Piero: please paste post more than three lines. and, err... that does not look like a mediawiki template. [08:44:09] Splarka> it's an older file, but even if i delete it in ftp, it will still ask me if i want to restore it [08:44:23] im developing a wiki, i just want to give the users the possibility to notify the sysop if an article should be reviewed [08:44:33] Piero: write a teample for that [08:44:39] !templates | Piero [08:44:39] --mwbot-- Piero: For more information about templates, see . The most common issues with templates copied from Wikipedia can be fixed by installing ParserFunctions and enabling HTML Tidy . [08:44:46] YK: there is another solution then... [08:44:47] Piero i can help you by pm [08:44:52] thanks [08:44:57] pm me [08:45:01] Piero: Oh, I thought that there was an article on Wikipedia you were having trouble with. [08:45:15] im blocked [08:45:21] cause im unregistered [08:45:25] damn freenode [08:45:28] YK_SysRes: to pm you, he needs to register, or you need unfiltered pm [08:45:50] i tried to register but it never works [08:45:59] /msg nickserv set unfiltered on [08:45:59] YK_SysRes, Piero: just join #ykhelp [08:46:07] :) [08:46:18] thx :) [08:46:19] Splarka: works if he's registered :) [08:46:31] 03aaron * r32947 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Force index [08:46:34] Piero check this : [08:46:35] http://wiki.no.intro.free.fr/index.php?title=Template:Deletion [08:47:19] *Splarka shakes his head at dues [08:47:26] you know, goldfish only have a 3 second short term memory [08:47:34] did you remember mentioning it first? heh [08:48:00] huh? [08:48:07] and so what they've been marked for deletion [08:48:16] thats what i want to do and it doesnt help me! :p [08:48:23] i know i can do it [08:49:09] well what would help you? [08:49:34] the template manual you gave me! :) [08:49:55] #ykhelp [08:50:23] Piero: i think you didn't quite understand the link YK_SysRes gave you. yea, go both to that channel :) [08:50:30] *Duesentrieb should get off irc and get work done [08:50:47] Duesentrieb thx again [08:50:56] np [08:52:04] 03aaron * r32948 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: type/time [08:58:42] 03(mod) ability to have member categories as well as subcategories - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13590 (10catlow) [09:16:11] YK_SysRes: Are you still here? sorry a last question. When the article has been marked for deletion, you cant cancel the template, i mean cancel the deletion marking?? [09:17:36] does anybody know how to cancel a deletion request? [09:18:14] ye [09:18:21] :p [09:18:33] just delete the {{deletion}} in article [09:18:46] its not there [09:18:48] anymore [09:18:50] 03aaron * r32949 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Tweak - title index better than user in these cases most likely [09:18:59] when i edit it, its not in the text [09:19:10] link? [09:19:44] http://en.sports-wiki.net/index.php?title=Badminton&action=edit§ion=1 [09:19:52] link to your list of articles marked for deletion [09:20:12] http://en.sports-wiki.net/Category:Request_Deletion [09:20:46] Current revision (08:59, April 8, 2008) (edit) (undo) [09:20:46] Ierpe (Talk | contribs) [09:20:46] (?Badminton) [09:20:46] Line 1: Line 1: [09:20:46] + {{deletion}} [09:20:56] it is still here! [09:21:13] lol im dumb or what? i cant see it [09:21:16] delete + {{deletion [09:21:40] ha yeah its there, i swear it wasnt [09:21:57] prolly a cache problem xD [09:22:56] thx again! [09:23:02] Hola. [09:23:03] np =} [09:24:26] Once more I run into a wall with the template programming... How to make a template add more lines only if a certain stat is there? IE : If I have "Date of Birth" variable set, I want it shown, if I haven't I would prefer not to have a blank box in my table... [09:25:08] And is there any way to do this somewhat arbitary? Like "Child 1, child 2, child 3" etc [09:25:41] I am thinking nested templpates but... that is a mire that sounds somewhat scary? [09:27:27] the typical way is with ParserFunctions [09:27:54] *nods* I have been looking at #switch [09:27:55] is Duesentrieb around? [09:27:57] {{#if:{{{dateofbirth|}}}|Date of birth: {{{dateofbirth}}} }} [09:28:13] That simple? Nice... [09:28:17] infobox templates on wikipedia for example, add wikitable rows for each parameter, usually [09:28:29] note that #if only checks nullity [09:28:54] {{{dateofbirth|}}} < that pipe in the variable name? that means "if undefined, define as such", and with nothing after it, that means null [09:29:08] so is needed on the #if check [09:29:26] it isn't needed in the next call to it, since that never happens if the parameter is undefined [09:29:42] alternatively, for required parameters, you might use: [09:29:52] {{{dateofbirth|please define a '''date of birth'''}}} [09:29:52] Buut... I could make a subtemplate then that uses {{Sub:{{{1}}} }} to type the effects in the more arbitary way I need? [09:29:54] ... nice. [09:30:24] what arbitrary way do you need? [09:31:10] Basically just wanting to be able to add {{Template|Data about person|Child1 etc etc etc }} and make it work no matter how many children I add to it... [09:31:22] ahh [09:31:36] {{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}}} [09:31:39] {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}}} [09:31:42] 03(mod) Create (rev_timestamp,rev_user_text) index - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13622 (10roan.kattouw) [09:31:48] for as many parameters as you might have [09:32:19] And that'd work even if I have named parameters before? :) VERY nice. [09:32:27] well [09:32:33] hmm [09:32:41] no [09:32:45] but you can cascade them [09:33:02] {{#if:{{{1|{{{dob|}}}}}}|{{{1|{{{dob}}}}}} }} [09:33:12] will check if 1 *or* dob is defined [09:33:17]